Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 58: Getting Strong on a Budget

Episode Date: May 15, 2017

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Are we at 60 yet? It's got to be 60. I think it's 60. 58. No. But who's counting, right? Is it really? Yeah.

Do I have to go through this whole thing to prove you wrong? Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, last week was 57. Fuck. I really thought last week was 59.

So this is half a year then, 57 weeks. Yeah, with your math. Yeah, it's been about three months, one episode a week. This week, we don't have a whole lot of new big groundbreaking things. It was a pretty down week in the world of strength and fitness and such. But we thought we'd recap hopefully some stories we hadn't told you. Or we could just let Tyler ramble on in whatever fashion he does for an hour. Yeah, I'll stumble through it.

Just see where he gets to. I think we want to start with the Arnold front stage story. All right. So we have, and actually, I want to make sure that I, we got a review from Becky. Do you remember that one a few weeks back? I'm trying to remember. It was listed as like Ruby on the thing, right? And I mentioned that she must be our only female listener that's not our mom's.

Yeah, not true. But we have one other female listener. You know, I actually found out that my aunt who lives in the city listens to this too. We have two other female listeners. But your aunt does not have connections like like like this female listener uh we don't want to give probably her any other specifics away because i don't know if she was supposed to do this but uh so we were at the arnold we were this was day two day two day one we had gone through and tommy was just like walking around with his magic media

badge with the photographer shit and just like getting right next to everything and it was awesome yeah yeah just popping in doing my thing yeah so but for the strongman competition this was what events were going on this day I believe it was the what do they call it do they call it weight over bar at the strongman or do they call it like I don't know so that bag yeah they're throwing sandbags over bar the sandbags uh the deadlift would have been the other one yeah but we were late we were late for that it was really just the bag then because there was something else that day but maybe not that wasn't the frame carry no the first day was the first day frame and yoke well either way there was some strongman whatever there was some shit going on yeah so we we had already had being it was day two we had seen quite a bit of uh power lifting some other

random things and then we decided it was time to head back over to the strongman stage and see what what action was taking place there and uh since yes or the day before i had gone right up just kind of walked in and started taking photos front and center i yes or the day before i had gone right up just kind of walked in and started taking photos front and center i just assumed that that was cool now and it was like that scene on wayne's world when they got their backseat they're just like we're good good good to go and that's pretty much how i treated i walked right through everyone right up to the front uh people were kind of giving me looks like, hey, man, like, we've been here a while. And I just blew right by like, this is my job felt very confident. And I got to the front row, there was kind of a few people in the way. So I had to hold up for a second. And then this person,

this lady that looked like she was pretty official stopped me and she goes, What are you doing? I said, Oh, I'm just gonna go right back right over here and take some photos. She says, No, I said, oh, I'm just going to go right over here and take some photos. She said, no, you're not. Yeah, I did it yesterday, so I'm just going to go right back to the corner over there. She's like, you don't have the pass for that. I'm like, no, I got a media badge right here. She's like, that's not the badge for this spot.

And I'm like, oh, really? And then I kind of just, you know, I was like, I mean, I was bummed out because I was really excited to go take pictures again and she's like yeah all of us are also watching because Tommy is the only one that has like media pit passes so we're all like 50 feet away like a bunch of with our busted ass media passes like we're just allowed to be in the building and we're watching Tommy like oh that son of a bitch it's gonna get right up there again and then all of a sudden he's just stopped and we're like fuck what's happening yeah and so uh i'm kind of explaining the story like you know i was here yesterday i don't see what the big deal is and then uh she goes well here's the deal i'm a big fan of the podcast i'm like she definitely has me

confused with someone else because no one says that ever. What podcast? People I know don't say that. So people I don't know definitely aren't saying that. And I'm like, what do you mean? She's like the massonomics podcast. I love it. I follow Tyler on Instagram because to follow Tyler on Instagram is just a terrible thing to do, you know? Yeah, definitely. So I'm like, really? And, you know, just know just uh kind of surprised by this whole thing because we're not used to that and especially traveling halfway across the country to hear someone say that so yeah i kind of started asking the questions of how she found out about it and uh i i think what it was was she just said she kind of went on itunes and typed in like powerlifting

or fitness podcasts and just randomly stumbled across us and at first i almost didn't believe her but then she started like bringing up things from the podcast. Like she knew about the lift shirts. She knew that we always made jokes that Brad Gillian has a close personal friend at the show. And so then at that point I knew she had at least listened to several episodes and knew what was going on. So she cleared out a spot in the corner for me let me sit right where i was the day before i got my photographer action going and uh it turned into a pretty pretty decent uh afternoon session in the strongman you got like half thor sweat on you and like he ripped his shirt off in

front of you and i was just the whole time i was like i can't wait to tell these guys the story you texted us too i think didn't didn't you? I think I did. She let me in. She likes the podcast. And so, and I was like, what? Well, I remember seeing the text, but it was like, because self-service is diggity dog shit in there. Yeah, it doesn't work there. So, like, I got the thing after it was over, and, like, I didn't believe it.

I was like, oh, fuck Tommy, whatever. He got in and he was like, yeah, she just loves, she hears the podcast. But so when we all met up after the crowd cleared up, Tommy told us the story. And basically the rest of us were like, no, so what really happened? Because we don't go anywhere and have anybody tell us that they know what that is yeah yeah i mean we're hardly fans of the podcast we hardly know what's going on on these episodes so that was awesome so uh hopefully you're listening i think we know you do and uh so

anyway if you could get tommy on the stage next year would be even better? Yeah, I'll just be right up there. The only photographer that had a better access than you at that spot was the guy from Rogue who was allowed to be in the way. Oh, yeah. He was right in there. I don't even understand. If you're a photographer, I would think that your job would be like, I'm going to get the shots, but I'm going to try to not fuck up the flow.

This guy's like, remember when Brian Shaw was sizing up the Atlas Stone? This guy's just like, yeah, hold on a minute, Brian. You mean for the 45 minutes when Brian Shaw was sizing up that? Can you do that again right there? He's just like standing between Brian and the Stone, like, yeah, you'll

get your time, Brian. It kind of reinforces the fact that I think that that thing really is just one big advertisement for Rogue you know that's what it is basically yeah way to go and they do do a good job

they do I couldn't imagine like any other company their videos are fucking sweet and actually watching the events it's not near as cool

as their videos all of those things are cool to see but like when if you watch remember the what was their powerlifting was it just the stuff out there powerlifting lifting stage, like a highlight reel sort of?

Yeah, like some of that. Like a montage. And it was insane. The type of shit that makes just like all the blood flow to your genitals and you get just jacked up, you know? Yeah. Because remember that video that Rogue posted on the power lifting stage, or what was it, the Rogue strength stage or something? Yeah, whatever. That posted right as we were getting on the powerlifting stage, or what was it, the Rogue strength stage or something?

Yeah, whatever. That posted right as we were getting on the plane. Remember that? Yeah, we were all watching. Somebody got it, and we shared it all amongst each other, and it was right as we were about to take off. Everybody must have got it on enough, because I think everybody got to see it before the plane took off.

We were like, fuck, yeah, that was sweet. But yeah, I would say rogues coverage is probably the only people whose coverage was better than ours and that's debatable it is i mean it depends on what you're into yeah that's true ours had so much more of an organic interview gino yeah if you're into better things ours is probably better yeah i mean if you like things that just think are more expensive that just seem more off the cuff and real like we we take it right there but it is the point where rogue is almost like a media company that makes exercise equipment like it's it's starting to get there yeah i don't even and i don't mean that as a negative in any way they put out like 50 minute

long videos sometimes too you know i mean I mean? That's a movie. It's kind of a weird thing too, to like, I would think for them to pitch. Well, like even that, that talking about movie, that brain art,

didn't they do the brain? That's what I'm thinking. Yeah. Like an hour long almost of, and it's good. Really? You know, it's, yeah,

I guess I don't follow like Nike and Adidas and Reebok super close, but I don't see them putting out like hour long. Well, I just, I just try to like, you know, I get the content marketing side of things where you're like, all right,

so we're a company, we make a thing. Let's just make some cool content, put our brand on it and we'll put it out there and it'll draw people to our other stuff. I get that. I mean, mass economics has been doing it wildly successful for years now.

We make dozens of dollars a week. But what I don't get is for them to just be like, we now make movies. That's a huge step. If you're a fucking heating and air conditioning company, you're like, we're going to pay a production company and photographers and editors and directors, all this shit, and we're going to go to fucking Scotland and we're going to film on the goddamn countryside for three months and interview people. You know what I mean? How much does that cost? They have to be calculating in some type of return on this, though.

I can't imagine it's just a total loss for them. They've got to get something out of it. Rogue could probably absorb some losses. Yeah, you're right. If I'm them, I'm just, well, let's just do something because i think it's cool and in general it probably fits the whole the whole thing have you watched their video where it's kind of about their employees and their company that's uh pretty interesting too like there's people there that started working quite a few people that started working there

at the very beginning that still work there so how long ago is the very beginning because to me rogue didn't exist until four years ago i don't know i feel like it was about 10 years or so give or take but uh of course they're gonna pitch it this way in their video but it really looked like it's that kind of place to work that people actually like just go get up and love to go to work. You've seen those videos before. To go throw a barbell on the lathe and there's a label of love. And they get treated so well that they just love going to work every day.

Of course, they're going to interview the people at the company. There's not going to be some crusty old fucker. Another Monday. One more day closer to Friday. Just counting down the minutes until they're dead and it's all over. Finally, I did it. Kind of hoping my manager, Steve,

has a fucking stroke again this year. So I can take six months off from his crusty ass. Everyone in this place is stupid about me you know all their decisions are terrible and they keep changing things why would anything ever have to change there's people like that oh my god yeah and i i get that i have that all the time like we've got like a new sort of simple little software system at work and i had a guy the other day who i work with who's like he's like i just don't understand why it had to change why why did we even have to change it the old one worked just fine and i'm like well like i'm sure

we didn't like throw hundreds and hundreds of hours and thousands and thousands of dollars to go from one thing to another just for like its own fucking sake so like deal with it i don't fucking know yeah but yeah people get very very resistant to change people at the arnold were also resistant to change it's like uh remember the crusty old speaking of crusty old fucking guys remember we were watching uh i don't know is it the xpPC deadlift challenge? Yeah, it was the deadlift. Is that what was up there?

Yep. Okay. And so we migrated through... Was this after... Who had we interviewed? Was that post-interview or were we just bouncing around? We were bouncing around. I'm pretty sure it was right before we interviewed Matt Vincent and...

Casey Mitchell. Yeah and Casey Mitchell. Yeah, Casey Mitchell. Friends of the podcast. Big fans, too. We had a big posse. There was six or seven of us, something like that. And on top of that, we were taller than most people there. And I would say certainly better looking than 80% of the people there.

Yeah, man or woman. So we migrated into this spot and we didn't just shove in front of people that were shoulder... We moved off to the side of the stage. Complete side. Complete side of the stage. There's no seating, no chairs set out in this area.

We were a good 30 feet behind the nearest chair. And I would say that we all could have put our arms out and held brooms in each hand. And not touched another person. Yeah. And we were also so far back that you couldn't really even see standing up. No. Yeah. Like we were just there kind of, and we basically just kind of fell into that space.

That was a space where we were out of the way, wide open. It was almost as much out of the way as you could get. And open space at the Arnold is like a fucking hot commodity. We had it. That's where we just fell into it. It was wonderful. And I didn't even know what was going on. But all of a sudden, Tanner was just like getting hot with some fucking dude behind us.

This dude behind us is yelling and like which i didn't know there was even people behind us no no i literally had no idea i thought there was no way a person could be behind right and if they were behind us they weren't watching this thing that was a hundred feet in front of like that was that far because they could certainly have been way closer yeah right right and so then tanner and that this is where i just kind of hear tanner like making a comment at a guy and it was like in a tone i don't usually hear and i'm like what just happened there tanner well so it i usually wouldn't get upset at a like it would take a lot for me to get any bit of upset at a stranger or for me to even say

anything like normally i would just prefer to not be involved in any bit of upset at a stranger. Or for me to even say anything. Like normally I would just prefer to. Not be involved in any sort of confrontation. Because it's probably not worth it. But yeah a waste of time. This guy's attitude was like. Just the worst. Yeah and he goes. And this guy is sitting behind us.

Just chilling. In one chair. 20 feet. 10, 15 feet behind us. There is one chair. That he like went and stole this chair from somewhere so he could sit there. That chair shouldn't be there. A chair in a wide open empty space.

And I don't think he was specifically talking to me, but I certainly heard him. He was talking to our group collectively. And he said, I don't know if he said you guys or why don't you guys. But this was the first thing that he said. This was like if he said you guys or why don't you guys this is the first thing that he said this is the like the first thing he went to yeah he's like you guys need to get the fuck out of the way yeah like with a lot of emphasis on fuck yeah you know like right and also this was this was me tanner tommy big ross austin big shane and my wife yeah, Big Shane, and my wife. And so other than my wife, a lot of-

And Sean's. And Sean's isn't, he may be Arnold small, but isn't real world small. No, no, no. And this guy, I mean, I don't believe that my wife would have trouble kicking his ass. No, no, he's a little frail. When he said that, it immediately gave me that feeling where, like, you can feel blood rush to your face where you're just like, like I was just, it made me really mad.

Just like, that's just so insulting. Yeah. Or just such, like to not, so the argument was. So that old tan perfectly diffusing the situation. I was just, I said, I turned to him and I said, like, that's not how you ask. Or like, don't, I just, I think I just said, don't say it like that. Yeah. And he said, well, you guys are in the way.

You need to get the fuck out of here. You know, he said the F word one more time. And I said, don't, you don't talk to people like that yeah and he said well you guys are in the way you need to get the fuck out of here you know he said the f word one more time and i said don't you don't talk to people like that and then he said kind of like he's like well you got i've been sitting here for 20 minutes you guys walked right in front of me and i said i don't care like that's not how you ask someone to move like you just you can just ask us nicely to move and we would have gladly moved i mean but we also may not have because that's also kind of an unreasonable thing to expect like well i sat amidst this like behind 35 feet of empty space for 20 minutes and if anybody were to fill this empty space fuck them and and we went did this back and forth i think four times where you know he said something and

i said we were just each saying the same thing over again in just a little bit different words and this was from 15 feet away you know so we're kind of speaking loudly yelling at each other and the last thing he said like i think he felt like i was being reasonable at some time yeah he's like well i guess he's right and he says well i'm sorry like i guess i'm sorry and then we did just fucking left yeah you know what i mean we were just like yeah and then we talked about it's like the moral of it is like isn't it a lot of work to go through life just that pissed off like that just takes so much energy all the time to be that negative. For sure. Like that takes a very concentrated effort to go through life like that.

That's like you have to try to be that much of a dick. Like you really have to like that's got to be the thing that you're going to do. Like, all right, so this thing I'm sitting here, whatever my expectations are, are totally reasonable in my mind. And these people walked in. And these people walked in. And how am I going to handle this? All right. I'm going to go with, hey, you guys, get the fuck out of the way.

Like that'll diffuse it and make for a nice smooth transition to them being the fuck out of my way. Like that's the easiest way. There's no way. Like you couldn't even talk to like, and I think we're pretty like, we can handle some rough edges, you know, more than probably most people if you've listened to this podcast for a while. But like my father's a fairly conservative Christian man

and you certainly couldn't tell him to get the fuck out of the way without him like being like, the fuck did you say to me you know what i mean like you just can't do that to literally anybody no and like but that was the thing he's like all right so this is what i'm gonna do this is how i'm gonna handle this yeah like like that's way harder than being like hey you guys mind moving i've been here you know and then we probably and i probably would have been like i guess. Do you want to go ahead and just move closer?

Why don't you just move in front of us? You're sitting down. Or go sit where the chairs are that are way closer. If you bring your own chair, I'm sure they'll let you sit there or whatever. But anyway. I steamed about that for about like the 10 minutes following that. You know, if you're really fired up about something, it just takes you a while to. Get over it.

Yeah. And it's also not somebody who's at like a physical or age equal. Right. Like if it was somebody who was like 35 years old, he'd be like, maybe I should put my hands on him. You know what I mean? Or just like give him a little, let him know I'm around. Like with a hand on his chest, just let him know I can move my hands on him. You know what I mean? Or just, just like give him a little, little, let him know I'm around. Like with a hand on his chest, just let him know I can move him a little bit. And like, but you can't do that because the guy was like 70.

Right. You know. But speaking of old, we're segueing pretty hard. We all have basically learned that we are extremely cheap more than anything else. Yeah, you know, if you listen to the show for a while, you've probably got hints that Tyler takes personal hygiene very not seriously. I mean, at the expense of my, what is it, I'm cheaper than I am clean. Yeah. What is it?

I'm cheaper than I am clean. And, you know, compared to a lot of people, the three of us have probably been called frugal, maybe even cheap in our lives. Tanner mostly. I was going to say I definitely am. I got a snap from Tanner about his energy bill this last month. The last two months each averaged under $80 a month. And what I said on the Snapchat was what I told Mary.

I was like, not bad, but we can do better. Like, mind you, like, the average temperature for the last month has been, like, what, maybe 40-ish? Yeah, 30 to 40, yeah. Like, definitely, like, temperatures that warrant heaters being ran. Heat, yeah, yeah. And those type of things. But I thought kind of an interesting thing to talk about would be how we maybe finance our food, eating habits, gym habits, those type of things. Because I think a lot of people hear things like, oh, you just need to eat more and you need to eat healthy. And the first thing is like, well, I can go to McDonald's and it's three bucks and I can't make that at home that cheap, you know, and it takes me all this time.

And as far as like planning out meals, like it just people seem to think they don't have they can't budget the time or the money for it. And I think it's pretty doable if you put a little effort to it. And I've never really talked to you guys much about this. So maybe you guys have some tips and tricks. And I'm by no means the expert, but I think a lot of people could learn something. I would say that for certain, Tanner is the cheapest. Yeah. and tricks and I'm by no means the expert but I think a lot of people could learn something I would say that for certain Tanner is the cheapest yeah I mean I oh yeah I wouldn't even I would say that I would definitely say I'm mindful of it because I am required to be for my marriage to

work if I had and you guys both have a marriage and kids so you probably have to be yeah like there's some things that just have to happen and like but yeah i tanner's tanner tanner has it in him i have it just in my marriage so like i have to be somewhat mindful of it but i spend money on really stupid shit also but like what would you consider really stupid well i well i guess i wouldn't say really stupid, but I own two pairs of Olympic lifting shoes. You've talked about wanting to buy a slam ball basketball court before. So I guess your judgment has been... You've proven your judgment.

And I didn't just think about it. It was in my PayPal thing when it was for sale on eBay that it was going to happen. So Tanner, yours comes from a place of logic and mine comes from a place of fear. So I would like you to explain maybe a few of the, uh, tips, like let's just say food wise first. Do you know offhand roughly how much you spend a month on food? You know, we would say family wisewide it would be the only thing i could judge by i guess and i think um a pretty close guess would be 400 bucks that's pretty solid yeah oh that's really good because i i spend way more than that on myself yeah i think

not more than 500 on average maybe i under undercut a little bit, but 500. So are you pretty consistent with that every month? Yeah, it works out pretty solid at that. Basically, the way we grocery shop, we don't do like go once a month and buy like five. You know, I see some people shop like that. They go like once every three weeks and have have two shopping carts plumb full of stuff. The planning to do that just makes my head hurt. We grocery shop once a week and then maybe a couple times in between.

You're ran out of ketchup during the week. Basically, we grocery shop every weekend. That's what we do. I do once a once like a saturday or sunday we spend uh 100 to 130 dollars 100 100 to 150 dollars per per weekend and i'm consistently i would say between 130 and 160 bucks a week yeah and if but i guess if i added in we don't eat out very much yeah but it is a couple times you know there's a couple meals here and there a week yeah so it's probably 50 more dollars a week yeah you know so that's a couple

hundred bucks and i eat out one meal a week you know i'd do that and it actually usually will coincide with my grocery shopping yeah i'm that's another couple hundred bucks a month you probably yeah which a guy could probably weed out if, you know, Qdoba wasn't so delicious. Right, right. And that's the big thing is I'm usually pretty close, anywhere from like $60 to $80 a week on my big haul that I do on the weekend. And it's that same thing. You know, you run out of one or two things during the week.

You need to pick a few things up. But for me, being more not having a kid and still, you know, kind of having a little bit of a nightlife, the thing that gets me is the eating out and the weekends. Like going to the bar and spending $70 on a supper. It just adds up so fast. If you can go to the bar and just drink,

you're doing a lot better. If I go to the fucking bar and I get dinner and drinks because i'll have like three drinks that basically don't count towards my towards your goal for the towards my goal for the night because like that's before i eat and i'll just eat them while you know i'll be drinking them while i'm ordering food and wait on so those three drinks are going in me there's 10 bucks or whatever and then i'll order food which might be 15 to 20 bucks for me and then i'll drink afterwards which then i have

to drink off the food which then becomes like another 40 like it is like 70 bucks for me and if your wife is with you then it's 90 bucks you know unfortunately she can't drink much, but she can sure fucking eat. Yeah. You know? And then I'll eat half her food. We've talked about that before. Which then also means that I have to drink more to get over that hump. Yeah. It's really tough being me. So what do you, what do you, did you say a dollar amount of what you think yours is?

So yeah, on like groceries, I'm pretty close to 80 bucks a week on groceries. But the big variable for me is what's going on socially as far as bar. If you have five of those nights in a month, you know, that's. Oh, and it adds up in a hurry. You know, it's someone's birthday this week. And it's just like there's always little things like that. But that's the big variable for me. And that can. Oh, to be young. Very a lot. I'm like, oh, it's so like there's there's always little things like that but that's the big variable for me and that can oh to be young very very a lot i'm like oh it's so-and-so's birthday time to not answer my phone well but usually it's like oh i know they're not going

to want to do anything anyway so yeah so that's the one that really adds up for me a lot but um kind of the other part of this now is kind of the budgeting and planning for the food. How do you guys do that on Saturdays or whatever day it is you guys go grocery shopping? Do you have like a meal kind of plan for the week or how do you figure it out? What I do is I go in with a general idea because I eat kind of the same stuff. I mean things migrate from one type of thing. But in general, it's basically the same thing from week to week.

Yeah. So I'll go in and I'll be like, well, I'm going to get a meat and I'm not going to be certain until I'm there. Because like, if I'm there Saturday morning, it's very likely that there's going to be a lot of shit that's going to be marked down in the meat department. So if you're there in the morning, that's a pro tip there. You want to save some money. Get to like your Walmart or whatever, like seven o'clock in the morning that's a pro tip there you want to save some money get to like your Walmart or whatever

at like 7 o'clock in the morning 7 or 8 and like everything will be marked you can save 6 bucks on a fucking $12 package of chicken depending on the day but you know it's about to turn but so that's what I'll do

is I'll go there and I'll be like well there's pork that's on sale so I'm just going to get that so that's what i'll do is i'll go there and i'll be like well there's well there's pork that's on sale so i'm just gonna get that so that's how you like to play it yeah they see where the deals are i always bargain shop for my protein so my protein for the week will be and that's where a lot of the expenses i mean that's a huge chunk of the expenses on the protein and then we usually actually will buy um about twice a year i'll buy like a full quarter um cow that'll be fully processed i'll have it in deep year. I'll buy like a full quarter cow that'll be fully processed. I'll have it in deep freeze. So I'll have like beef.

This is what I've always wondered. Do people outside of the Midwest know that that's a thing that you can do? Or is that even, or is that a lot harder to do outside of the Midwest? I guess it's probably harder to do. And for people that don't know what we're talking about, it's like you basically find farmer, rancher in the area and just buy beef i mean lots of it yeah buy a quarter of a cow four of us yeah so my family will get in there might be eight of us that'll throw in and we'll get two cows yeah and you get some and i think when it's all said and

done i pay like three dollars a pound all the way across the board. That's your steaks to your hamburger to hamburger. But that includes ground beef, hamburger, or ground beef, steaks, roasts, everything. So like, you know, whereas like $3 a pound, if it was just ground beef, maybe it's not an exceptional bargain. But that's pretty standard though. That's not unusual. But the fact that you're getting, you know,

I might get 15 or 20 ribeye steaks in the middle of that. Oh yeah, you could have well over 20 pounds of steak in there. What happens every time I get them, though, is I eat all the steaks. And then have the ground beef. I think that would be my problem. I'm like, well, I have beef. And I could eat beef for every meal that I think I would just keep going to that. Yeah.

But I'll end up with, I'll eat the steaks right away. So in literally two weeks, I'll eat all the steaks. And then I'm like, well, at least I've got enough ground beef and I'll power through the ground beef. And then actually about six months later, um, he'll have some, you know, some beef that he'll have get processed. The farmer we deal with, and we can buy just ground beef at even a cheaper rate. And so I might go get another like two, two or 300 pounds of just ground beef to fill the deep freeze. But I'm out of it. I mean, so I probably consume, Jesus, 500 or 600 pounds of cow meat.

And that probably is, if we're going to be talking about some money-saving tips, that might be the biggest one. Oh, for sure. the biggest one is if you can get contact with someone where you can go in on a head of beef, I don't know if there's a better discount on the money than anything than doing that. Plus, as long as you can store it. And that's the big thing. It takes space. A $200 deep freeze. And so the other thing that I do then is I'll sort of plan ahead for those types of things too.

So our local grocery stores will have the big pork loins that look like big old whale penis pork loins. The old pork sword. And they'll have those things on sale for like maybe once every six weeks. They'll go on sale for like $1.89 a pound. So you can get like a 15-pound pork loin for like $12. Do you go home section that thing up or do you? No, all I do i just i just get

whatever i can kind of afford so that's that's what i'll throw off my weekly budget because i'm like fuck it we got to load up this week honey it is what it is and so i'll get like six of those and i'll throw them in the freezer and then as weeks go on like i'll basically only buy my protein that's on sale so i'll be like well i'll pull out a pork loin and then we'll get some chicken breasts or i'll pull out some beef so if there's nothing on sale that's when you resort kind of to the freezer i always i still try to do like two types of protein throughout the week if i have my druthers about so i can like have a little bit of variety but sometimes it's a lot easier to just be like fuck it cooking all chicken i don't have to think about it but yeah um but that's usually what i'll do and if there's

nothing on sale and i know i've got stuff in the freezer i'll go to that immediately but then what i'm buying is i'll buy rice because rice you can get insanely cheap in big i buy yeah i buy like 20 pound bags of rice and and then i buy the big bags of frozen vegetables and what's like 20 pound bags of rice and, and then I buy the big bags of frozen vegetables. And what's a 20 pound bag of rice? 13 bucks or something like that. And like, and if, and if you cook it up, I mean, that amounts to probably 80 pounds of rice, you know, if it's actually cooked. I don't know how many cups are in there, but it's a shit ton. Yeah. Um, but then I'll buy for vegetables.

I'll just buy like a big bag of spinach and a big frozen bag of like mixed vegetables and egg whites, turkey bacon, regular eggs and milk. And that's all I got to buy. I got to do some shit to accommodate the kid, bread, peanut butter, jelly, sausage for breakfast, you know, and that type of stuff. But that's pretty much how I do it is I buy my meat when it's on sale, buy my carbs in bulk, and get frozen vegetables, and everything else just fills in the cracks. And that manages to feed a family somewhat affordably.

Feeds a family. I keep getting huger. And we don't have a luxury that a lot of people do where in some bigger areas, people have Costco where they can get some pretty deep discounts on things. If we had a Costco, shit would be out of control for me. I've only been in one once, but it was a thing of beauty. Tanner, do you buy heads of beef? Yeah, we do the same thing. Basically, everything Tyler said is really similar to what we do.

I mean, it is similar to what we i mean it is just exactly what we do but do you know before we get too far into yours yeah shane also buys heads of beef i think he does too and shane would probably be the person to have on this show about this he probably knows every cost cutting technique for as far as being cheap goes talking about me he has me done like outdone like i think it's he would be my role model two full years to talk himself into buying a pair of lifter lifting shoes oh he wears the same shoes to the gym that he's worn for 20 years yeah he's also the only person i've seen that's like managed to wear out an inser lifting belt like they they talk about how they you can't wear those things out but i think he's actually done it

no yeah he he and he grocery shopping he goes buys on sales and he goes to all the grocery stores to buy like the things that each one that's cheaper i do i do a little of that too like our you know our smaller store which i i like better you know i'll usually go there for whatever they have on sale usually it's a meat that i'll get on sale and then move on to the big store after that but yeah we do the we do the beef thing and then uh this year my parents also got like a pig oh so we got some of that so that makes sense i've never heard of that but that's actually that's actually my my brother did that and then my dad did, and now after hearing both

of their experiences, it's a fucking must because it is. Yeah, hell yeah. So why is that? The prices were super, super, super cheap. It's got to be like dollars a pound maybe? Yeah, I don't know. It amounts to very little, but you're also getting bacon, and you can basically just get super, super thick sliced bacon they'll pack

like that's the one thing there's a huge difference between cheap bacon and good bacon whereas 80 20 hamburger tends to be 80 20 hamburger yeah you know the stuff i get with the ground beef that i get from from our guy is like probably like 95 lean like when Like when I cook it, like it's not uncommon for me to brown, you know, three pounds of it at a time and not have to drain it. Or have there be some fat in there to where I'm like, I'm keeping this in calories. You know what I mean?

Like I gotta have it. But no, the pig thing, like they were getting like breakfast sausage or like bratwursts and fucking shit like that too. It's always good. It's so good. Well, also because it's, I mean, I guess you're taking it on faith, but it is one animal. You know what I mean?

There's that thing and they're just doing the deal with it. So you're not kind of getting this whole batch of pig's tails getting ground up and turned into your breakfast sausage. You know, like they only got one tail to deal with. That'll be in this package. All four hooves are here to count it for. But, yeah, so the pig thing is something I want to do this year too. Yeah, that would be my one addition is what we did,

and I think we'll continue to do that. I think a whole pig processed and everything might have cost my brother like $210. That's what I thought. Really? I was going to say like $200 and some dollars. That's pretty good. And for me to get a quarter of beef,

which amounts to, I don't know, just a shit ton of meat, is maybe like $600, $600, $650. So there's some upfront costs, but the savings play out. And I power pretty hard into it once i get it to where like we chip away at it pretty quickly but um but it's definitely worth it yeah for sure but that's our our grocery shopping i'm lucky enough that my wife does a majority of it but it's the exact same thing where uh i have the certain things that i just am always eating so you know we say which of those do I need more of?

Yeah. And then she gets them, you know, so like cottage cheese, milk, eggs, fruit, oatmeal. Like those are always on the spinach. Those are always the things on the list. So basically she knows just always get like five more tubs of cottage cheese, you know, and get like 10 cartons of eggs or, you like just and that's like as far as like the saving money that's a big part of it is just your food choices like i eat a lot of cottage cheese oats eggs um and even with ground beef even within things like oats there's a huge difference in

price between the flavored oats that are microwave ready. No, yeah. The bulk container. Right. I mean, we're talking probably really a quarter of the price or less even. Right.

So like those foods. Same thing with rice though, with like the pouches that are made in a minute versus you could, 10 of those probably cost the same as about your, your bag of. Easily. Yeah. You could,

you can get. And one is, one is a week supply of rice and the other one is probably. A month. At least, yeah. Or for the average person. Or for the average person, six months. Four or five months, yeah. So you sacrifice maybe a little bit of convenience

with some of that stuff, but when you're talking large quantities, and if you're really worried about the price... Well, for me, too, though, if I was getting fucking rice-a-roni or something like that, like a flavored rice... do you want to eat that much of that well how many how many fucking packages do i want to open you know what i mean to cook it at one time like i would get so tired of tear open a box you'd have a garbage bag do the thing throw it away you know

what i mean it's it's a lot easier for me what i do is do is I save my old jumbo protein tubs. And when I buy 20-pound bags of rice, because I never fully out because I use so much of it. So I'll have two of these. Oh, to take on the flavor of the protein powder? I have two big, big, big tubs. And I just fill them full of the rice. And I just have written on the side, two cups of water, one cup of rice. And so that's all. Do you ever get afraid you might forget that?

I do. I always go back to it, but like, but that's way easier. Like I just, I just take every time I just take that. I make a batch. It's 12 cups of water and six cups of rice and we're good to go. It's a lot of rice. It amounts to a lot. Yeah.

But like, yeah, it's, uh, that's the way to do it. Speaking of protein, have you guys been buying protein powder lately? I mean, I try to eat most of mine, but out of convenience, I still make sure I have some around. I'll say, and this is like the first time, actually the last,

close to the last year, just out of pure cheapness, my supplement bill has been like $0. I haven't had protein. I haven't had creatine. For a while, I bought some cheap BCAAs because I was like, oh, this is some flavored water while I'm working out. And then those ran out, and I quit buying those too. So I'm probably the worst person to ask currently about supplements being that my monthly supplement bill is $0. I always go just about as cheap as humanly possible on supplements.

And protein, I always have protein powder around because I just always do. And I have it every morning because I have some in my oatmeal. Other than that, like some days I might not have any. And some days I might be like i'm kind of hungry like i'm gonna make a really big shake in the blender and put a couple scoops you know so or days if you're you know missing a midday meal it's easier to do that and i guess i shouldn't say i haven't had any protein because i have been mooching off of leah because she had some so i'm not completely like free of it but yeah my bill has been zero yeah but yeah tyler i think you had i was actually asking you about a little earlier you had a pretty jumbo size bag

up there yeah i buy the 10 pound or it might even be 11 i think it's like five kilos or something like that bag from i i still stick with the muscle farm brand protein just because i like it it's a good price if you buy a ton of it and i don't know i i've heard of other things i haven't done it yet but i basically the reputable services that i like are bodybuilding.com now there's a whole bunch of shit on there but like you're gonna get the best prices you're gonna get for sure and like i would avoid walking into a store to buy well that's the thing that i know when i was buying protein i would always just go to amazon because i have amazon prime no tax ships for free in two days and just the tax alone can make a pretty big difference on some of these things when you look at purchasing it over the over the course of a year but um yeah it's just versus a store

it's tough to beat the, so what are your goals? And then someone giving you like the whole sales pitch on like someone that's not even qualified to give you that pitch. Like just not having to deal with them. My goals are for you

not to talk to me. To get in and out of here as quick as possible. In our town, at our supplement store, it's probably, it's a lady now. And that position

turns over all the time. But it's like a 58-year-old woman who definitely doesn't lift. Oh, no. Yeah. But no, so bodybuilding.com is pretty legit as far as like look around. The problem is you can spend a lot of money on things you don't need there too. But if you know what you want, check there first.

Because I even did some comparing side-by-side with Amazon, and it was actually really, really, really comparable. And well, bodybuilding.com, their main competition is Amazon. I don't think it like over the last five years, they've taken over the market, everything so that their, their competitor is Amazon outside of that. I don't think they have any. And I will say this, everything I've ordered from bodybuilding.com shows up basically the next day. Yeah. I mean, well, it's two days. But it's fast.

But it's like... It's not like that, wait seven days. It's unreasonably fast. Yeah. And this actually isn't a commercial for them. There's another one on Amazon that is, what is it, the bulk supplements. Yeah. And I've heard about that place.

So is this the brand or is this like a store selling brand? I think it's bulk. Yeah. I bought fish oil capsules last time I bought those from that bulk supplements. Is it because they actually only sell in bulk or? No, they actually sell in really small quantities too. Okay. But I think where you get your money, the thing that they do is it's kind of no nonsense.

So it's just the thing you're going to buy gonna buy like i don't even think they have flavored proteins oh like you you buy whey protein and your best bet is to buy like 50 pound bags of it you know and like obviously you can get a 10 pound bag but your your savings is less but it's unflavored yeah if you touch that camera dog dog, I'm going to kick your ass. Fletch, move. Get out of here. Quit smelling the tripod. Just giving you the look.

He's just looking at me like I'm dumb. Get out of here. Just so sad. All right, whatever. We're going to pretend like that never happened. So is he. So, yeah, as far as protein goes, that is a big one. If you find something that you know you're okay with for a long time, the 10-pound route

is an easy way to save money. I always go 10 pounds. I think I've heard rumors of like, again, the Costco thing. I think 10-pound bags at Costco you can get for as low as like 70 bucks or something like that. So just another luxury.

The mythical Costco that we've never been able to be in. But other things too, but when you talk about unflavored things like at bulk supplements creatine would be a thing i would certainly buy from them because it's a one ingredient thing um if you're going to take creatine you're probably going to take it forever so you might as well buy like a forever amount of it you know you spend a little more up front but but you save the money in the long run yeah um i have never tried have you ever tried unflavored

whey protein? No, I actually didn't know that was a thing until you were just saying that. Now, one of the things that I've heard as far as to flavor it

without adding a bunch of calories and nonsense is just like cocoa powder. Makes sense. Which is, it'll make it kind of, kind of chocolatey. I can just see the mix.

But not a bunch of sugar. I can see the mix quality of it being a little off. Yeah, I'm sure there's something to be said. But I can't, I suppose I can't write a review on it having not tried it but um but that's kind of the way to go buy a lot at a time yeah and um i think the company is true nutrition

i might have to double check that but professor shans has talked to me about it before i know he or used to order from there or has before, but when you buy their protein, you literally pick everything. You pick the exact kind of protein, whether you want hydrolyzed, isolate. It's exactly, or you can mix and pick your percentages. So you pick that exactly, and then at that point, it's still unflavored.

You could buy it that way, but then you pick not exactly. And then at that point, it's still unflavored. Like you could buy it that way. But then you pick not just your flavor, but the way that it's going to be sweetened. Like you can pick your artificial sweetener. Like whether you want Stevia in it and like how much. Like they give you recommendations for everything. But like you go through and like literally customize it. Build your pro sheet. Yeah, do exactly what you want.

Is it pricey uh relative it's more expensive than what we do yeah like i think it's probably not terrible it was expensive to me compared to like i go cheap as possible most of the time but i did try it a couple times huh but yeah you pick everything like what if you're too stupid like that would be a thing for me like yeah well i don't know yeah that's why i pay money for other people to make it that's what i would i would just be like yeah i think it's more for like professor sean's where you know he wants to be like what he wants well i want hydrolyzed uh yeah unsweetened yeah you know, magic protein. So any other price saving hacks, any life hacks for.

I, I, on purchasing equipment and you know, like wraps and stuff like that. What my tried and true method, just to make sure you're not buying something you don't really want bad. You go to the site and put it in your cart and think about buying it and do that i would say four to five times over the next week or two and then like if you do it like this say the sixth time you're like okay i'm pretty sure i want this and then then you buy it like you never buy it the first time you put it in your also i just try to try tanner's stuff first and make sure that it's cool.

I actually did that with my gangster wraps that I got from Mark Bell. I was like, I'm going to wrap up with Tanner's and see if they're in. I'm like, eh, fuck it, I'll pay for them. Well, it is nice being in a place where a lot of people have a lot of different stuff because you get to bounce off what you like better. There's not as much surprises. That chance of buyer's remorse is much lower when we're in a gym like ours where you can almost try out everyone's stuff. Well, and you can also be like, hey, you have those.

What do you think? I fucking hate them. Yeah. They fell apart after a week. Yeah. That's also a perk of going to a legit gym is that you have resources and people. And I think as far as other equipment stuff, obviously, Craig's List for equipment. If you're looking to buy yeah like buy actual

equipment craigslist for sure you know we're in a place where it's actually harder for us if you're in a like a real a real place that has real amounts of people it's probably a lot easier but when it comes to training typically a 45 pound plate is a 45 pound plate right it's there's you're getting the same it benches the same it squats the same as long as you don't get those nasty octagon plates they should deadlift yeah yeah what is the deal with i've you know i've never ever been in a place that had those i've only seen them in person yeah yeah but what is the before so what is the purpose of like why do they exist i don't think there is a like they can't i can't imagine that they're easier to make

because they're you know i mean to manufacture because they're like that i don't know it doesn't make sense no i'm sure there's some reason like it doesn't roll or something but at the same time like but if it comes down on an edge how many exactly like if it comes down on an edge it's gonna have momentum yeah but like how many fucking accidents have you been in because barbells are rolling away you know runaway barbells oh shit fuck again you know and why did they then go with hex plates instead of straight up squares yeah did you see that yeah yeah april fools yeah the lico come out with their square plates i i i read it the first time like the fuck is that for like yeah for just a moment yeah that's what happened to me too i was like but well the whole reason i when i read it i

was like it like i said for just a moment i was considering it but then what what pulled me out it was like well it's a laco so those are going to be like a hundred dollars a pound yeah i was like i was like well no i would there's no way that i would buy if i'm going to buy a laco set of competition plates like they're definitely not going to be square if i'm going to pay that that kind of money but anyway that's how dumb i was that i had to take that far before i proved it as nonsense. Do we want to get into... We have some sponsors for the What's in Tanner's Sack bit this week. Oh, I forgot about the sack. This episode is brought to you by the Something Fitness Related

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really sound advice if you enjoy any podcasts and they sell any merchandise, like shirts or hats or that sort of thing, buy all that shit. For sure. That's what I do. If I like a podcast, I buy so many of their shirts and hats. It's obscene. That's the best decision I've ever made.

Your podcast merch budget is crazy. I feel so satisfied knowing that I support all the work that they do. That's a commendable thing to say, Tanner. Yeah. I feel like also since we have people that I would guess for the last hour have been taking our financial advice, it'd be – Don't stop now. Yeah, don't stop now. I mean, we've been saving you money this whole time.

Yeah. At least spend all that money. This is why you save it. Spend all that money. And if you don't have it, this is what they make credit cards for. Yeah, if you don't have money. At the end of the day, no one needs to save money.

No repercussions there. Just buy, buy, buy. Yeah. And I mean, I wouldn't say that you should take your parents' credit card or your wife's credit card or your husband's credit card.

But like... You could, yeah. Or like... I mean, if it runs, it's fucking their problem. You probably have a roommate that like gets offers in the mail for credit cards. You can just open up one for them and just use, if it runs, it's fucking their problem. You probably have a roommate that like gets offers in the mail for credit cards. You can just open up one for them and just use it.

Like then it's not your problem. We don't care. We here at Massanomics do not advocate identity theft in any way. No, no. That's just like a loan from your friend. That's it. He doesn't know that he gave you.

So what's in the sack today, Tanner? Dude, should we close our eyes? Oh yeah, you guys, is this close our eyes? It, yeah, you guys can close your eyes. It's been a while. We kind of forgot the routine of this all.

We'll try and switch the camera angle. Should we put our hands out? Yep. Oh, man. This is getting serious. All right. All right, are you guys ready? All right, we're ready.

Okay. There's one of you, and there's another one know what these are all right yep yep these are the guys yep what are these called tanner those are captains of crush brand hand grip trainers coc captains of crush kind of the gold standard brand when it comes to hand grippers these are not your average uh buy at walmart no this isn't like a stress fucking grip thing right there they uh make them in several different strengths uh they're rated by poundages but they have numbers associated with them one 1.5 2 2.5 3 3.5 and 4 uh easier than one would be there's trainers and a couple different. I think of novice.

Yeah, novice and a trainer. But 4 being the hardest, which is on record of being closed by like 5 people in the world ever. Now, what's the heaviest one we've got? It's 2.5? 2.5. Now, here's my history with them. So this, what I've got in my hand right now is a 1.5. Now, with the 1.5, I squeeze it, and I can close it.

We got the 2 1⁄2. It was the first time I've ever tried it. And I have really large hands and probably pretty good grip. But I grabbed the 2 1⁄2, and I gave it all I had, and I got it to touch. However, not even a fucking single time since the very first time that I've grabbed that thing have I closed that two and a half. And now, the problem is, is now when I grab it and I get it close,

I'll take my second hand, I'll take two hands, and I'll see what it takes to get that last little bit out. And then I'm beginning to doubt whether I ever did it. To the very end is a totally different amount of quarter inch. That last quarter inch bar is the killer. So now though, so in my head, I know I got the fucking thing to touch. But now when I take two hands and I try to close that two and a half, I'm pretty sure that I was dreaming or something.

You know what I mean? So to maybe provide a little perspective on these things, in the scheme of things, I'm really not that good at grip stuff. I have my heaviest deadlift I've ever held in my hands, 545. And not once in that process did it ever cross my mind that my grip was going to give out. So in that situation, grip was a non-issue. When it comes to these, I can squeeze the trainer. This is the one. Some days my right hand can get the one.

My left hand's never close. I am terrible at these things. All they do is piss me off, make me angry, and I usually have to throw it down and walk away. This is almost like a bottle of Nolstork for me. It aggravates me, and it just pisses me off. I can't do them them i'm terrible at it now well i think there is like a for sure like training purpose yes yes there is a technique i don't also train with these like you're supposed to know what i do is it's like a test it's a daily

pissing match and so i come in and i grab the two and a half and i go fuck that's impossible and then i don't touch it again until the next time I grab it. And that's what most everyone does with these. So that's why no one ever really gets better at that. Yeah, yeah. Because like to do these, if you like, they have books. I've read, I have one of their books that I've read and you program it and train it like sets and reps. I mean, it makes sense.

I suppose, yeah. Like you don't just like to bench press you're not like well let's go max out again every single day i don't know maybe that's why you're not getting any better at benching tanner but that's how the rest of us do we do have a couple guys that do these pretty consistently uh cory crossfit cory he uh now captain of crunch cory is good at these and he's like a cory star captains of mobility wide cory uh but he like has a little he has a speed technique he like grabs and goes like has it closed before you yeah it's like he races through it before it gets hard and you can

get to the end he's pretty good at it and larry does them almost like every day when he finishes larry's good at them and he's with his hair he's talking yesterday he's actually gotten better like he's now closing ones that he really didn't used to be able to oh fuck yeah it's also really interesting with these how much the difference is between one hand versus the other oh yeah like like I can still get that to that last bit with the two and a half with my right hand on my left hand it's like i'd might as well fucking just stand on it yeah yeah so tanner what's the biggest one you've done i can close the two pretty much most times i've never closed the two and a half like i'm not like in i'm not going and the way the two and a half is i'm not going to randomly go in and close it like

i would have to get i would have to train it to close the grip things that i've seen you do that would be i think tougher outside the norm i've seen you've been able to have you double overhanded four plates for deadlift yeah i've come really close to five yeah this is no hook grip this is just double overhanding for you yeah you were very close to five plates that one day you took it probably i've tried it i've tried that like a handful of times yeah you probably had it close to a foot off the ground i actually thought you were just doing a pause like hook grip deadlift that day and then that's when you took it probably. I've tried that like a handful of times. Yeah, you probably had it close to a foot off the ground. I actually thought you were just doing a pause, like hook grip deadlift that day. And then that's when you told me, no, that was just double overhand. So that's a pretty decent grip to be hanging on to something like that. And you said you can only get the two.

Right. And they go up to four. There's another two and a half, three, three and a half, and four. That's the thing. I don't think that I'm like on any sort of world-class level strength but i have really world-class level hands yeah and i think that my fucking grip is probably pretty good yeah and i have a real hard time believing because i know the difference between the two and a half and and the two right that there's a thing out there that's a four like the difference between the two and a half and and the two right that there's a thing out there that's

a four like the difference between the two and a half and the one that's right because to go that yeah i want to know you have to park a fucking truck yeah there has to be a number for how many pounds of pressure they do we have that's is oh is it on yeah that's that is i have that that's tagged to the board and i can't remember i wonder if i can look it up real quick i think it might be up to like 400 on the number four. And that's just hand-crushing power. That's not like hanging on to something. Right.

Because this is a little different than just hanging on to things. And, you know, a lot of the people that are the best in the world at this, I suppose some are big, strong power lifters. But, like, some of these guys, they are just like grip training guys. So do you know some of the best in the world? is there any well-known names though that are have closed these things is there people that are talk to me about just a grip training guy what does that mean like that's just yeah that's your sport yeah like really and these and there's two different uh there's a pinch grip which would be we we do this at the gym sometimes where you pinch

plates together and this is a crushing grip see and those are two different i'm still not good at the pinch but i think i'm better at the pinch grip than i am at this at the crushing grip so there's two they must use different muscles don't they so the two yeah they do and that's what they talk about the two the two and a half i'm a little confused with how they're naming these, but anyway, the 2.5 is 237.5 pounds, and that is the bridge to the number three. And the number three is 280 pounds, and that is world-class grip strength.

3.5 is 322 and a half pounds. And that is the bridge to the number four. That's all that is. You went from three to three and a half and they're like, hang on, bitch. Yeah. Wait till you get to four.

And then four is 365 pounds. And that is be like Magnus Samuelson. Is he must be one of the only people. Yeah. I do. I know two people that have closed the three before, but... Like personally? Yeah.

Oh, wow. What was Nick Tylukey's? Did he say... I can't remember. I guess we don't want to quote him on it, but... Yeah, he had a pair sitting there when we... Yeah, I forgot about that, and I didn't know what these things were. I didn't know the number scale at the time, so it didn't make any sense to me what you guys were even talking about.

But anyway, you can go back and that's on YouTube too, right? Yep. That's our first video episode. Is it? Yep. Yeah, so go back and you can watch that interview. I think we asked him. I think he says it. Did we ask him on the podcast? I think so.

I think when we were looking at his garage. How about this? We totally asked him and he he totally told us the answer, and it was on video, and it's the best. Yeah. So you should watch it. You're going to want to see it. But, well, guys, do we have anything else we want to get out today? Do we want to talk about some quick viewer questions?

Oh, yeah. Yes. So we got a couple YouTube questions or comments questions etc which hey fire away we like those yeah and i've really noticed it's picked up on the youtube comments and questions like there's some here that probably aren't worth reading because there's not much for us just us talking shit back and forth right right but there's a couple here that are you know kind of worth mentioning on the podcast here um this first one is on the uh we were talking about programming in episode number uh 55 titled do i need a coach um first of all logan logan frank on that one commented

uh topic ideas for us. He said, if anybody got Wendler's new book, uh, that would be a great topic to cover. And his new book is five, three, one forever. It's his newest one. Does a Sergeant Anderson have that one? I don't know if he has that one yet or not, but he's going to have to get it. So we borrow it. And spill water all over this one. I have right new one i have right now i have 531 for power lifting like that's kind of his second or third or something so i'm in the process of reading that but yeah i agree that would be a good topic i enjoy windler's books but the other comment here on this episode um someone said uh love listening to you guys. Wish Fletch and his handsome mug would get more camera time.

Did he get some camera time? Did you spin it? We might have. Yeah, I think there was one. Yeah, that one. Oh, yeah. No, yeah. He got camera time.

Yeah, that's where that comes from. Usually we just yell at him. And then we were talking about programming. The Lone Wolf, Chuck Englert, commented, you could try a cycle of 20-rep squat program. That would make tracking progress easier. It also builds a lot of strength, muscle, and endurance. That would build some endurance.

There's no doubt about that. Get you right on board with the pain train. Yeah. That 20-rep squats and a gallon of milk, I can't recall the guy or the book, but that's kind of a thing. Chuck would know the answer to that. Another comment on our prior episode, episode 54, which the episode title there,

I guess it was the South Dakota strongest man that we were talking about, but there's a good comment on that. Another great episode, keep them coming. Also have a potential topic for discussion i have talked to a lot of people who go to various gyms and the same thing always comes up and uh comes up about people at the gym leaving a mess trash left throughout the facility not putting their weights up etc what is your recommendation for getting others in the gym to clean up after themselves and this was from jeremy nicholas i think with this the answer it's probably maybe not it's maybe not the easiest answer well it's actually a pretty simple answer it's probably just go to a place where people take

more pride in their gym i think that's really the only way around that and it's hard because a lot of that the things that you don't have control over. It is. You know what I mean? Like if, but you know, we're also, I would say in as isolated of a place as you could possibly expect a gym like this to be happening.

So like, you know, we started this with, you started this with how much money to start the gym, like a few thousand dollars, a couple thousand. Yeah. You know what I mean?

And just like, it just requires a few people yeah and then you just start getting you know like as much as it sucks like but if you're going to a gym that's like a you know a big globo gym or something like that and you just have dickheads that don't know anything about what they're doing and they're just got all the 25 pound plates on the 45 rack and there's shit everywhere like you're just in the wrong place because that place is meant to attract people and with no filter. Yeah. So you almost need to be in a place where there's a bit of a filter and who

comes in the door and that can either be done with price or with the vibe, but you may not have control over that. And I remember that being a real issue. Like that would something before workout would even start. You would just be mentally frustrated and spending more mental energy on that than you should because there's no clips anywhere it's like okay that's really annoying to try and do things there's no clips they're just gone yeah or the fact that this whole weight tree has like you said only 25s on it like how did this many 25s like like no one usually puts more than one 25 on each side. Right.

And the fact that there's all of these here is crazy. Like what, what's going on? So things like that, you know, people just being messy in general. Like, I don't know what I think there is any good advice. I don't think, yeah, it's unfortunate. So if that's the situation that you're in, like, how do you, how, how do you get those people to be more accountable it'd be you could have some real difficult conversations with fucking 75 people there you know i mean

because there's so many of those people there that yeah the truth is like you either gotta just you just have to eat some shit until you find a better place or you make a better place because a lot of people don't even realize it's a thing. Like, a lot of people don't think, like, having to run around the gym looking for clips is an issue. Or the fact that there's 15 tens on this one spot. Like, that's not a concern to a lot of people. Knowing the attitude that a lot of the people in those places have or can have, you almost can't say anything to anyone. Because there's a 50% chance that they're going to be mad at you. bringing, even if you were like, uh, not trying to be a dick about it or anything. Like, I was just wondering if you could put the plates back in the spot that they go. Like,

there's a good chance that person's going to hate you and be like, well, screw you, buddy. What do you care? You know? Yeah. I think it kind of like a lot of things in life, your options are either to, you know, find a place that fits for you or you got to make a place that fits for you. And sometimes it, you know, people can't do either, you know, and you just got to deal with it. But yeah, that blows man. It's a fairly simple solution verbally, but to like make something happen about it. Yeah. Socially, socially it gets complex. Yeah. Yeah. Um, No new iTunes reviews this week. No. You motherfuckers.

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