Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 60: The Fattest Thing We've Ever Done

Episode Date: May 29, 2017

As big eaters, Tanner and Tyler have probably eaten some meals that would be insulting to most people who are on diets. This week, they sit down and talk about the fattest things they've ever done in their quest for hugeness. As always, you can watch this episode in full color video... Or check out the super-high quality audio version below.. If you don't already have a closet full of Massenomics gear, go to the MASSENOMICS STORE and load up on swag... Also, please CLICK THIS LINK TO GIVE US A 5 STAR RATING ON ITUNES... Click this text to follow Massenomics on Instagram... Vote Massenomics for President in 2020.. Have your barber shave our logo into the side of your head.. Maybe get a Massenomics tattoo while you're at it.    Or you could sign up for our email newsletter at the bottom of this page. Stay Strong, M

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Tommy got hung up doing lake stuff. Yeah. Is that what it sounds like? I don't know if it was Mother's Day stuff or just... There was some Snapchats of some boat stuff happening today. Oh, see I haven't checked that. So I think there was some lake stuff and then maybe some Mother's Day stuff. Oh yeah.

Maybe he took his mom on the boat. So we don't feel too sorry for Tommy. But so it's just Tanner and I today. I am Tyler. Welcome to the Mastodonomics Podcast. Say hi to Tanner. I'm Tanner. And this guy.

And this guy. Is that Larry? Hey, Larry. So we are here to just, you know, do our thing. And we had a couple of things to come up with. First off, uh, Tanner, we were just talking about this off the air. Um, you had a sizable amount of home projects this weekend. Yeah, I did. Um, not yard work, I guess, you know, I did the typical weekend yard work of mowing and that stuff too but like uh like little at home construction projects you know i was

building some stairs and moving landscaping bricks and you know just kind of like all the worst shit yeah yeah um and it it's not like excruciatingly difficult physical labor but um just like my hands and wrists yeah and everything right now i kind of feel like i have arthritis after about you know 15 hours of that in two days so do you uh do you think too like with those projects the other thing about them is the like the constant tick of the clock like of just the that you have a day right and you have another day like because one fucking trip to the hardware store i went four times yeah like like that that will cost you an hour at least to get there and back yeah and then there's maybe another hour by the time you get started and get ramped back up again. And like you cost yourself probably between four trips, you probably burned six hours.

Yeah. Because a quick trip, um, where you just know what you need to get and everything is probably still not that far off of an hour. But like when you're there having to, like you're figuring out, um, Oh, is this what I need? And you're looking at different choices. It's not hard to be there for two hours. Yeah, yeah.

That's the thing I always found is the fucking worst. Like, I'll try to go try to buy, like, everything before we even start. Right. It never is. And then you end up spending way too much money because you have extras of everything. Right. And, yeah, that shit is the worst. Someday we'll maybe be at a point where

we no longer have to do that stuff and you could just be the guy that just hire someone to do it like if you could you totally would right like i would like i could you know that project i could afford to pay someone to do it but if i can't there's an endless amount of those i couldn't afford to pay someone to do all of them yeah you know so you pick like the biggest worst ones usually to have someone do it where it's just like no i've kind of messed with that before and no way like i need i need new shingles yeah fuck that i'm paying paying that exactly um yeah i'm kind of the same way there's there's very few things that i won't do myself. Yeah. But it's only because I'm cheap, you know? Right.

But some things are very expensive to have paid to get done, too. By the time you pay somebody who has to make a respectable amount of money, you know, like they're trying to live, too, and you see the amount of time it takes, you're like, well, fuck, that would cost a lot of money. The one thing I did pay to have someone done which i've done this before myself change out my dishwasher and so i know how to do it and i know that i can do it but i just remember being really aggravated with it last time so i paid to have someone do it and i it wasn't that terror like that was something i feel like should have

cost more to have done but you know you get a professional it takes them one fourth of the time as it does me like reading the directions and and that's why like especially in my line of work if somebody who doesn't know who has never tried to do it themselves uh like like they don't have any understanding. Like you'll come in and you'll dick around with something for five minutes and it's fixed. And they're like, well, Jesus Christ, $300? And you're like, yeah.

It would have taken you seven hours. Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you what, I'll undo what I did and you go back to guessing. Right. You know, but. Well, and at a certain point with that, it's technical enough that no amount of anything, like you're just not going to, like an average Joe just wouldn't figure it out. I don't even try to justify that stuff with time anymore because people are like, well, it only took you 20 minutes.

Yeah. And it took you three days to fucking call me. Right. You know, so. Well, and it took you 20 minutes because you spent how many years? 12 years doing it. Yeah. Right.

Yeah, exactly. you 20 minutes because you spent how many 12 years doing it yeah right yeah exactly but nobody gets mad when you go to the doctor and like the doctor walks in and tells you right away what you know how many how many seconds the doctor's in the room with you well so this and that well it's probably this we'll have you right like he doesn't even do anything like it's 45 seconds and he's out the door and it costs you 150 bucks right you know and that's normal and nobody's mad about it no but whatever but the kind of the point about that or how it could be tied back to lifting is people that work hard for a living you know like physically work hard for a living yeah um if i had to do that day in and day out, it would make my lifting a lot more difficult. But I do wonder if you somehow, you know,

like if you look at how you adapt to training volume, like higher volume, I suppose you adapt to a certain, your body adapts to being able to do that more effectively than like I could after, you know, when it's not routine. And it's also like that, that almost like old man, like farm strength right too right now like larry's god you know like larry's he's i was talking to him the other day he's at that time of year where he

works you know he works basically like i don't even know how to describe their construction but they're like a digging yeah so he's running equipment and running a shovel and he's done it for 20 years yeah he uh fucking works till like nine o'clock at night six days a week now and he's trying to get his lifts in on the weekends at late at night and um but just i think just being on the job that long would be fucking exhausting you know just standing on your feet for 13 hours every day yeah you know and then go deadlift right you know fuck that he is um kind of the epitome or like the perfect example when whenever someone says oh i just don't you know i don't i don't get how you guys can lift all the time you know i don't i don't have the time for that it's like well larry works a hard job 70 hours a week a very physically demanding

job 70 hours a week he is a single dad yep like and he still basically gets to the gym three or four times a week and is also helping to take care of his own father yeah right and gets to the gym three or four days a week um and has a national qualifying total in both the open and the masters right so that's kind of it's not a single ladies yeah and he's got the hair on top the most majestic hair and from the one of the perks of working outside like that though is he always has like the best tan in the gym he's got a one tan yeah for sure but if he can it's not about having that we've talked about that before too it's not about whether you do or don't have the time but it's a enough of a priority for him that he he still gets it done then yeah he does say that

this time of year it's you know it's it's it's maintenance for him though like he doesn't feel like he's getting getting a whole lot stronger you know as of right now he said he's just trying to get in and move yeah but mentally because he's done so many years that he knows that that's going to be what the summer is like for him it doesn't uh it's not really a setback for him no it's just that time of year yeah which is probably maybe mitigates things from getting too out of control too like he's not trying to be a hero no he's not going for crazy squat sets or bench sets like he does you know pre-meet but that's why larry's a legend i guess that's why they call him i uh hashtag fear the legend i have no patience for any of those

projects our last house was a huge project house it was like 110 years old and we bought it for super cheap because we didn't have any money and just like did little projects for fucking six years until you moved until you sold it literally got it as far as we were going to get it without having to spend some real money and having to hire like yeah to reside in all the things you could yeah like i wasn't going to reside it wasn't going to put new shingles on wasn't going to re-side it, wasn't going to put new shingles on, wasn't going to redo the foundation of the basement, and I certainly was not going to put new windows in it. Right. Because old houses, they have like fucking, that house had like 65 windows. Yeah.

It was fucking insane. Yeah, and windows are expensive. Yeah, so I would have had, I could have spent another $80,000 on that house. For sure. Instead, I was like, we're done. Yeah. We're done. We're done.

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don't have things i don't have things to fix like it's not super new or super nice but there's just nothing that i'm doing and i haven't done a fucking project in two years. That's not just like putting a thing on. You know what I mean? Like that's, uh, that's been sweet. Yeah. You haven't like remodeled the bathroom. Yeah.

I used to, we used to go to like, and we used to have so many of those things that like I'd go to the, we'd go to the hardware store and go back by the paint and they'd have like mismatched paint like somebody mixed it and they didn't like it yeah we get that paint any type of paint as long as it's pre-mixed and already purchased for five bucks a gallon so we would never look at our like the kids bedrooms or something to be like oh i'd like that to be this color let's go buy that color what we did was went to the five dollar and paint like that's the color like that'll work and that'll work yeah and that was what we did we did the whole house on that deal and didn't put a whole lot of money into it and ended up making quite a bit of money on it that's not a bad approach on the paint color anyways because a lot of times you think something's gonna look good and then you do it and you're like oh man

that just made the room look like half its size and dark and i think usually what people do when that stuff ends up back there is they're just like they just it's like slightly off from what they had envisioned so they're like take it back yeah and and i don't fucking care at all you know and plus i was like i'm not living in this it just needs new paint right um well the trick you wouldn't even, if you wanted to do that, I was just there getting paint as a part of the project. Like, you could just accept it from them, and then, like, on your way to the checkout, be like, eh, I'll just set this here behind the toilet. Wait two days.

Yeah, right. And then go get it for five bucks. That's a really good idea. Did that happen a lot when you worked there? I didn't work in the paint department i was oh i got you were just too busy fucking around over the announcements i was i was announcement i feel like that prepped me like for podcasting talking into the hardware store i had uh i'm trying to think well this

what are what content are we having out by the time this comes out? I was thinking about the cheat meal thing. Yeah, I don't know if that'll be out yet. That may not be out, but one of the things we had talked about this week, Tanner mentioned to me, like, yeah, next time you go do one of your cheat meals, make sure you take a picture of it. This was Friday at the gym at about 6 o'clock, and at about 7 o'clock I send Tanner the picture of me mid

cheat meal. But it brought up an interesting thing because this, in this last week I accomplished what I think might be, I had two specific moments that might be the fattest things I've ever done in my life. And the first one was in that picture there, there is a, and you'll see it when this article comes out. Keep an eye on massonomics.com or on our Facebook page. But that's this fucking, they have this pizza at the Pizza Ranch, which is one of my go-to cheat meals.

You go and you just eat an absolute shit pot of pizza. But they have this pizza now, and I don't normally like like bacon cheeseburger pizzas you know just not a big where there's like regular hamburger and then like pickle and yeah and bacon i don't because they always do something fucked up with the sauce yeah i don't know what barbecue yeah or something weird right yeah this i don't know what they did with the sauce but it was like a deluxe version of this and it was on the buffet and i swear to god there was also like mayonnaise

on it or something too which is the whole thing just looked fat and like but there was it was a bacon cheeseburger pizza with like extra shit and extra shit and fucking french fries on it and then smothered in cheese and they had this the tag on it because it was like the specialty deal and they so they put what it is. And these are buffet slices, like little slices. Each slice was like 250 calories. They put that on there? I guess.

Maybe just because it was such an eye-opener. Yeah. So this thing was 250 calories. And I was like, and I had, first off, I was like, well, for the picture, I might as well get a shit ton of this and i ate maybe like six slices of it amongst many other things yeah and then anyway so you probably had 5 000 calories gets better so they brought more out and i was like well i did like it and i think i had like 11 or 12 slices of this pizza yeah you know so yeah i probably had like 11 or 12 slices of this pizza. Yeah. You know, so yeah, I probably had like 3000

calories of that pizza. Yeah. Um, which yay for me. How did you feel like 30 minutes afterwards? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm at this point where I've been trying to eat a lot to get bigger for the last, like, it's not been like seven weeks or something like that, seven or eight weeks. And all my eating is work now. But did you feel great? Like greasy after that at all? No,

I guess not like over stuff, but just kind of like, I've done a lot of shameful eating in my day. Like there's, we're not going to set the bar. Like I'm not gonna be like, Oh, what's wrong with me?

All of that. Not off of anything I could do in a restaurant would cause me that much shame doesn't go far enough for that but uh the yeah but anyway it was actually pretty good but that was i felt like that was one of the fattest things i've ever eaten like a pizza with fucking french fries yeah yeah and then there was um a weeknight this week. In the middle of the week, I had missed like an afternoon meal. And then so it's really hard for me to plug that in in the evening because I still have to eat a post-workout meal, which is huge.

And then I've been doing every night before bed these enormous shakes with like protein, cottage cheese, whole milk, oats oats and fucking god knows what else and like you know like 1200 calories of thick fucking shit and so it was tough to i had to get like more in still after that and so i was up extra late and i was eating some peanut butter and jelly sandwiches i've made like three peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and it's and i'm sitting there eating and i dropped this big old fucking glob of jelly right on the fucking kitchen floor and i'm like god damn it i'm looking around there's no paper towels out did you use the bread i just used my own sandwich and i just went down and i fucking scooped up scoop it up right off the floor, was about to look to see if there was dog hair on it and went, don't want to know.

And I just fucking, I just ate it and then rubbed it over with my sock, wherever the area was. And, uh, yeah, that, that might be the fattest thing I've ever done. That would, scooping it up off the floor. But bread does work good for that. I'd say it's more effective than any towels yeah yeah certainly is more absorbent yeah but anyway that brings up a topic tanner what what is what do you think is some of the fattest things that you've ever done well i'm kind of thinking of my cheat meal you know my my contribution to the cheat meal article

that we have coming out too is uh something that i like to do um somewhat regular regularly is i make a family-sized box of craft macaroni and cheese yeah and then i grill uh usually five either like big hot like the big beef hot dogs you know like hot dogs that are not actually that bad taste tasting or just brats. Yeah. You know, if I want to go even fatter, it's just like, and I usually do five. I don't know why I've settled on that. That's that number. And then as I'm finishing up the macaroni and cheese, I, you know, the, the brats are done grilling. I slice them all up and throw them in the pot with the macaroni and cheese and stir it all up. And the way that I serve that is I take the, you know, we have some really big plates. I use one of those and literally create a mound, like just a disgusting mound.

Like we've had, you know, like family company over before while I've been doing that. And people are always like disgusted by it. Yeah, like just almost disgusted by what I'm doing you know um and but the the extra twist on that the last time I did it that made it even fatter is my wife had a leftover pizza at home so I warmed that up and I was like oh i could eat these separate or i could set the pizza down and cover it in the mound in the macaroni and cheese and just eat through it and that's what i did and that i really felt fat about that but it was also really good you know i think the grossest thing about it isn't the amount or what it is is that i would guess the sounds that are made while you're eating a mound of macaroni and cheese and meat between the breathing and the gross sloshing of the mac

and cheese it uh it's also same thing when i eat a lot of pizza you get really thirsty for like the next six hours like i'll wake up at midnight and be like oh my god i'm so i need water you know like it's just like need something to to absorb all of that the the worst i've ever felt with that is i did this eating contest back in the day when i did i probably don't i think i've talked about it on the podcast before right they ate like an eight pound cheeseburger yeah but after that when that was over well later on in the process like the last don't know, 20 minutes of that ordeal, like my mouth, your mouth just stops producing saliva. Uh huh. So you're just chewing on these, this gross, like meat sock, cold sock texture, you know, deal.

And you have no liquid in your mouth to wash it down. it down and but after that was all over with i think for like you said i think actually for about 24 hours after that was the thirstiest i've ever been and the only thing that was stopping me from drinking water perpetually during that time was that i was still so full right so i would like drink drink drink and then be like oh god and then i would hold off until i could hold my stomach could hold more but my mouth I just needed more water. What do you think, is that the sodium in the food? I don't know. Or is it like the...

Should we get knowledgeable here? Should we see what Google says? Yeah. Why do I get so thirsty after I do fat things? And that's another thing when we say fat. Like, I like to use that word. And that's another thing when we say fat. I like to use that word. It's not necessarily that you wouldn't have to be fat to do something that's really fat.

No. And it doesn't have anything to do with the fat content of the food. No, and this is not any sort of a knock on fat people if anyone wants to, the PC police wants to jump us. Right, right. We just do some fat things every once in a while. Man, there's a lot here. So I'm seeing the same question answered about high carb meals, which is elevated blood sugar levels can cause complication.

Jesus, blindness, kidney damage. It is critical that you be tested for diabetes if you feel thirsty after eating a large amount of carbs fuck there also is yeah but then this is also one that says if you eat foods that are high in sodium you got that

oh it's my phone going that's what it is you guys can't hear that noise but it was super distracting so meat pizza white bread hot dogs processed cheese sodium makes you thirsty disrupts the balance of fluid in your cells if you seek out salty foods or maybe a reason um eating high-sodium foods encourages social, and never mind, social behavior. But anyway. So there's something to it. There's something to it.

We're not just making it up. But yeah, a lot of these questions point, these answers point towards diabetes. Well, I can see the correlation you know i mean most people that have diabetes probably have a history of eating really high carb yeah yeah and i'm probably pre-diabetic i don't know i have i don't know what all this fucking rice i've been eating lately has been doing either like i have been eating a like downright

offensive amount of fucking rice and I'm, I'm not really sick of it. China's struggling to keep up, but I've been buying 20 pound bags of Jasmine rice and they're lasting me about two to three weeks. And it is, and my wife's eating a lot of it too, but nothing near on the scale of what I've been eating. And it's, we're talking like rice with breakfast, rice with every single meal, just because it's the easiest, like mathematically it's the easiest way for me to get the carbs in without fucking around. Right. You know, and I think it's fairly clean. I don't know if anyone wants to tell me rice is awful for you. Is it white?

It's white. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what I wants to tell me rice is awful for you. Is it white? It's white. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what I'm supposed to be eating. Do you ever eat brown rice? I do. But not that I don't, I don't like it as much as white rice. But I, my understanding is there's benefits to both.

Like, you shouldn't probably like just eat brown rice forever. You probably shouldn't just like, if you're going to eat lots of of rice sometimes have some of the other but i don't know we're worrying too much about whether your white rice is white or brown i think is what people would call majoring in the minors yeah right that's that's usually the least of your right like exactly like most of the people that are worried about that they're probably having you know that's like the half a percent that they and they're forgetting about the the important 99 and a half percent that there is a that's for real the truth too because that's that's a lot that's very similar to people will ask you like about like nutrient timing yeah right like well people ask me well like people who don't lift don't train don't do anything well i mean you're eating all those carbs at breakfast i mean what are you doing you're not supposed to have a

bunch of carbs in the morning and i'm like well you can like maybe there's some sort of marginal difference but the fact is i have a certain amount of carbs i should get into within like on average of a 24-hour period that's what i was going to say. You look at a 24 hour period. Yeah. And even then, like that's not totally the kicker either. I mean, it really is.

That data is not of any use unless it's really, how much did you get in over the course of 10 days? How much work did you do over the course of that 10 days? And what'd your weight fluctuate over that 10 days? Like that's more important than like, it's not going to be a lot different like this motherfucker had most of these carbs in the morning like right what an idiot right like and especially if you're not like um that might matter for like uh almost stage ready physique

athlete or you're just trying to wring out percentages of a right yeah but for everyone else there's so many more important things yeah i mean i've had people ask me a lot about like you know nutrition stuff and all i ever do usually is i just i just redirect them to like the nutritionist that i use because it's extremely affordable and like you might as well get it from a person who knows what they're talking about than from me for sure you know but these people ask me for this advice and I'll kind of tell them like what I do and why and then give them literally her cell phone number email address and tell them very specifically what to do who to to call. You can set it up. It's all a breeze. None of those people I don't know in my day-to-day life. I don't know that one of them has followed up and actually called and done it.

But these are people who don't do anything. Don't lift, don't train, they eat like shit. And one of them I know I see almost every morning coming in with a bag of fucking fast food breakfast. Every single morning. And I'm like, what are you doing? Even asking me quite a lot. Like you, you do know that that's a thing that you probably shouldn't be doing. So you're asking me for all this specific advice and like, I don't know that I can give you specifics, but I also don't want to call you out on that.

You know what I mean? But I, I want to just be like, well, how about you don't do that at all. Start there and then fucking work on the rest. But yeah, there's a lot of that, you know, and those are the same types of people would be like, well, I mean, what are you doing eating all those carbs to me? And I'm like, well, I don't know. Yeah.

It's easy. It would be a lot easier to start with a low-hanging fruit for someone like that. Like, don't worry about the white rice at breakfast. And I do know that people who are in that field, like, the problem is very rarely grasping the science or the equation. Because, like, almost anybody, for the most part, with a little bit of data and a little bit of online research, you could come up with a meal plan for somebody that'll work for their goals really like anybody with a little bit of time could come up with a calorie number show them how to track their shit tell them exactly what to eat and what not to eat tons of hand holding you could do all that but like the human

being as the creature of habit just will not do that they'll do that for the short term and then they'll like rebound way back out of it again you know and so most of it i guess my understanding is a lot of it is people will come in and they're told well instead of drinking six mountain dews today try drinking four and then we'll see in two weeks and we're gonna then we're to cut it to one a day. And then after that, we're going to give you one diet Mountain Dew a day. And it is. You have to gradually change these things.

Yeah, right, right. But a lot of those people are coming in wanting to change everything at one time. And they want abs next week. And it just doesn't work that way. It wouldn't work for me. No. You know what I mean? I couldn't change everything. If I go out, if I go out of town, if I travel for, you know, even when we

went to the Arnold, I was like ready to get back home so I could just eat like my breakfast, you know, for sure. And, uh, that's, it's always been that way. You know, I think everybody is, is the same for sure. Have you ever had to do any like, like major sweeping changes in like what you eat? No, not since the very beginning, you know, because I changed, I went through two phases when we were first starting to lift. This was before I was even like performing squats or deadlifts. Um, just like starting to like, we were in, you know know go to a gym and want to go to the gym and want to like not be fat or not be skinny fat or you know you know have a bicep or something like that

we knew nothing and we just like i calorie went way down you know i just i quit eating bat quote unquote like that's when i quit eating like sugary stuff right away at the beginning. But my total calories was like probably like under 2000 a day. Yeah. You know, and then it, then it was a slow progression as I was getting into, like, as I learned more about lifting in general, then like the nutrition thing slowly started to click more too. And I started to understand that more and then it became less like less dieting and more like trying to eat for performance, you know? So the, the only one, you know, big change was like right at the very beginning when I just said, I'm just going to quit eating like shitty stuff,

really shitty stuff. And like, I don't, to quit eating like shitty stuff, really shitty stuff. And like, I don't, and quit drinking pop. And, uh, you know, that was 10 years ago and I've never, you know, so I've basically been doing that for 10 years. And then you basically, you, you basically then like started just gradually plugging sort of these aspects and you'd be like, I need to eat more. I need to eat more meat. I need to maybe eat these sources of carbs versus this.

It's like this lean cuisine, this isn't actually healthy or any calories. That's something I would have maybe eaten when I was very first getting into it. It's neither lean nor is it food. Nor is it cuisine. So then I'd be like, oh,'s like oh eggs like oh okay eggs are good and i think it takes people a long time to figure out what of the things that are quote unquote like acceptable like yeah what of those things work for them you know what i mean like like i don't there's no fucking way that i could have like quinoa in my diet regularly.

It's like rice, but with the texture of sand and it's fucking gross. I don't mind it, but it's, that's still something that I wouldn't want to eat it every day. Like I would, I would never go by and be like, I'm going to, I'm going to have this, this, this week, this is going to be what I'm going to do. Like instead of your rice. Yeah. I mean, I, I literally now, I mean, it is just rice and meat and I am having a very hard time late as of late, even getting my vegetables in because it's so much food. Now I'm like full to the point of feeling sick and I can't

wait to, to, to go back to cut, you know, to slowly cut after this because it has been so much work eating but um that's why i just stick to but yeah like i found a few things a few ways that work and i think that takes a lot of people a lot of time and but not having the patience to do that and trying to do everything at once i think is why people rebound out so yeah and it's just too much yeah if you're like okay well this this is terrible yeah you can't come in and be like, I'm going to eat rice and I'm going to eat plain chicken. And that's going to be it. And I'm going to eat that every single meal just because it's easy. And that's way too radical.

And then you're going to see a Pizza Hut commercial and be like, fuck it. Yeah. I'm going to get fat. I don't give a shit. I know. Nobody needs to live that long. Like, don't you even think that sometimes? Or you'll just have like that split second where it's like, who cares?

Like, I just want, I'll eat that whole pizza, you know? And you know, that goes through people's minds too. Yeah. You know, it was like when we did that, that pizza eating contest in the Arnold, like we were all done and it was eating at the pace that was hard. But when we were all done eating that large pizza, all of us ate a large pizza each. And I was just like, huh?

Like I was like, okay to have some drinks afterwards. You know, it didn't bother me. Usually I get, I get so full. I'm like, no way I'm drinking tonight.

And that was like, okay, I'm good to go. Well, I'm nice. I'm full. Also was really, really hungry from having been trudging around the island for three miles a

day yeah um i guess speaking of that i've also noticed um the last we've just had occasions i'd say like two or three of the last like six weeks where on like a saturday night we'll go out um i don't even remember what the occasion. They're never terribly important. Like it's like, oh, Tanner wants to do something. We should go out. Okay. And then I don't, you know, there's always, it's just one thing or another. But anyway, I've noticed, and I'd like to get your take on this too, because we talked about it a little bit.

But if I'll go out and I'll like, there's, for somewhere in there, there's a line which i can have some drinks and have a good time and not feel awful the next day but i cannot like have much greater of a time i don't feel much drunker the night out or anything but like whatever there's just a little bit further in which the next day i feel like absolute fucking death. And I found the few times that I've done that while I've been trying to bulk up the last, you know, month and a half or so is it sets me back a lot because I can't fucking eat like I need to eat. And that's what's hard is it's not like, like being hung over or even a little bit hung over.

I can't fucking eat five meals of i can't get up in the morning and eat 10 eggs and right and rice and fucking cheese and bacon and yeah and then two hours later eat fucking rice and chicken and two hours later eat rice and pork and two hours later rice and chicken and two hours later rice and pork and that you know i just can't do it i'm like pull all the blinds and i'm gonna try not to smother myself to death with this pillow you know or maybe try to or maybe try to but then like so sunday is a wash you might get two meals in you know and then monday is like a fight to get a fight to get back up to speed and then you it jacks up your sleep saturday night jacks up your sleep sunday and like i went in like i basically would come out of the weekend and it's not like these are

full-on benders you know this is like going out for like four hours yeah yeah you know what i mean and uh no it's not staying up until six in the morning no yeah i'm at like like 12 to one i'm like how am i getting home? Yeah. Like that's the primary objective. Yeah. 2 o'clock doesn't show up. The bars don't close and I'm not like, oh, how do I get home? I've been planning that for a long time.

Long in advance, yeah. I'm not trying to stay till close. But like where I've been like steadily gaining weight and it's been going good. And then I'll come out of the weekend fucking five pounds lighter six pounds lighter like son of a bitch and and start over and that is a a fucking it's a pain in the ass to deal with yeah that's why like you know even this weekend you know there was graduations last night i was like no i don't think i just can't do that again yeah you know at least not set back another two or three days yeah it costs you and if i think if you if i were to extrapolate

that out you know say the two or three times that i've done that over the course of this seven weeks it'll be about 10 weeks of bulking if i did that five times during that like that's a big amount of meals you're fucking yeah for sure but um what are your kind of observations on that i know we talked about one of the things you said was hydration too as a yeah well i think it thinking about it now even more it literally messes up all the things that are important because when you brought up sleep too i don't sleep good at all that night no from that yeah and i also am not an excellent at like taking naps to to like catch back up on that yeah so it messes up your sleep it messes up your hydration because it

dehydrates you you know it has that uh negative effect and then also it messes up your eating just like you're talking about so like those are like the three most important things when it comes to recovery. And it basically eats all of them up. Yeah. But it doesn't take very much for that to have that effect on me. Like literally if I just drink, say, six beers and I'm up two hours later than I normally would be, the next day I will feel worse because of it and the eating thing for sure if you're even if you're if you're on say a diet you know a calorie restriction

I think the easiest way to screw that up is also to have a hangover calories well yeah you drink the calories but then the next day your appetite like is not for good things. No, it's never for good things. After on a hangover, you only want to eat the worst things. I need pancakes and cheeseburgers and pizza. Yeah. That's the only thing that you can make yourself eat when it's like that. Yeah. And also, the other effect, if you're trying to be in a calorie surplus,

it's still hard because you can't eat the what you, yeah, right. Your stomach feels like crap. You know, if it's rolling over, you're not going to eat 10 eggs and a pile of hash browns. Yeah. And I mean, I've felt like almost like force fed sick. Yeah. Anyways, during the weeks with this deal. And this is actually like a severe pullback from what our targets

calorically were, were headed towards. And there's, I was just like, we can't fucking do this. There's no way I'm going to eat this much. It's not sustainable. I don't feel good. So I dialed back to somewhere in the middle where I don't feel awesome, but I know I'm not doing it forever, you know? Right. And, um, but Jesus Christ, that is, uh, yeah, it's amazing what just one night out every couple of weeks can, can cost you. Yeah. And it's not just the one day. It really is like a, especially if it's bad, a bad hangover. Yeah. The second day after that, you're probably wanting, assuming you're, you're planning on not training the day after, but you probably are planning on training the day after that two

days later most people would be and like that can definitely have a negative effect on that workout that's like 48 hours later yeah and especially you know monday is when i deadlift uh-huh so like yeah that is not that is not what i need yeah is to be showing up like like just like soft and dry and fucking still feeling like shit and dizzy yeah and dehydrated like oh i guess i'm gonna be fucking max level strong yeah right now doesn't work out very well oh it's the worst so i feel great today though i only had a few beers yesterday i think here at massonomics we're definitely not advocating that you not drink no we're just we're just trying to cope through the yeah yeah cope yeah like everything in moderation including moderation

yeah you don't want to be too moderate moderate yeah you you can't be like, I want to go out and have my two beers every third Saturday because that also means you're probably not very fun either. Do you remember, was it on a YouTube? No, it wasn't a YouTube video. It was one of our articles we did about, that Sean's did something about drinking and training or something like that. Yeah, yeah. You'll be able to find that on massanomics.com. We just have that under, I think you can search for alcohol or something like that yeah yeah and uh you'll be able to find that on massonomics.com we just have that under i think you can search for like alcohol or something it

should be the he did the one that's you know the six tips for the fitness minded drinker but we had somebody chimed in and was like oh this was on on the facebook post that was like anybody who's serious about their training wouldn't even be considering this and i don't i don't think that's true like aren't jesus like i don't know like i how many people are that serious about their training they would never drink a beer or a glass of wine or a drink or like would never like just even consider asking those questions like right it's like no you would you would think about drinking a beer like that's a that's that's a huge lack of balance yeah as i'm concerned like no i'm trying to have this fucking level one physique right now you know i'm trying to just look look totally jacked right and i can't be having any beers

with you lowlifes and there again i would understand certain timing of that where you're like okay this got a 12 weeks like i'm literally i'm following yeah to a t but that person isn't going to be the person that's going to say like when would you would drink a beer like they would know they'd be like well i you know at the end of this 12 weeks yeah i'm gonna get crazy yeah right right yeah i'm a i'm a i'm a beer. It's going to get crazy. Yeah, right. Right. Yeah. I'm a huge advocate of you have to enjoy yourself. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Like, that's the whole point. Like, what, are you going to look super jacked and be the most boring person in the world?

So that person is probably, I would assume, someone unrelated to fitness and fitness goals. I would guess. They probably don't have any interest in consuming an alcoholic beverage you know like so so that's stemming from yeah you just don't like drinking right right so that's just a different altogether different thing it's not saying like you're not serious about fitness it's like he's saying alcohol in general like no one should ever touch it you know booze is losers. When you booze, you lose. But that's just a different argument than what he's actually saying.

For sure. For sure. I had another bit here to cover today, Tanner. Do you remember what we had? Just as a teaser, we do have some reviews here too. Oh, do we? Coming up? Yep. We'll get to those here.

So that's good news. I don't know if we want to do the... We had that equipment question, anything. I don't know. We don't want to get too deep into the specifics. I think we'll want to save some of that stuff for Tommy next week. Yeah. But what about any specific piece of equipment?

And by equipment, I don't mean like a bar or anything like that. I mean like personal equipment that you've ever come across that actually like legitimately changed the way that you train. I would say this one I could say both yes and no to, but getting used to using an actual power belt or a power lifting belt, so I'm talking like an 8 or a 10 millimeter thick, 4 inch high belt, I don't think you need to use one of those in order to be strong at squatting or deadlifting like i deadlifted over not like this is amazing but i deadlifted over 500 pounds before i ever had or used like i may have at times used like uh you know some belt

that's at the gym yeah that but not really so but i do think at a certain level, like to go to another level, a belt like that is key in order to, you know, really push your max efforts on those or find your max ranges or start to progress to another level. And just to keep yourself safe while you're doing it. Yeah, for sure. I tell people all the time, even at our CrossFit gyms, we'll have, you know, like we'll be running like a deadlift cycle for like eight weeks or something like that where everyone will be deadlifting one day a week. And it's meant to be like your deadlift training. So there's going to be some days that are heavy, some that are not. And I have to – there's a lot of people that, you know, don't have a belt,

really of any kind. And you need to – I mean, yeah yeah you can be taught how to brace those other things but you get up to these higher percentages whatever that is is relative to you and some of those people maybe don't have the bracing technique down perfectly and their form's not perfect some of them are newer and i'm just like if this calls for 85 you need to just do less or you need to get a belt and start working on that you know because you're just really exposing yourself to a lot of risk without especially i think if you're newer in the game like you got that far without one but imagine how close to being exposed you were at some of those higher percentages up until then

yeah you know and i know there's a whole school of thought where people are, you know, won't build outright, won't outright say that belt is cheating, but that like, you know, you should build more your strength and stability without it. But for me, that's how I taught my, that's how I learned how to brace is filling the belt. Yeah. And people that have never used one, most of the time, the first time they put it on, they're not going to use it correctly.

It takes some practice learning how to push against the belt. The thing with the belt is people think it's supporting your back. You just put it on, and it's bracing your back. But what the belt is there for is for your entire abdominal yeah to push against front back sides right and that in turn helping stabilize everything right yeah um but a lot of people think you just put the belt on and like that's we're good to go ta-da now i do the same thing right yeah but like there's a whole you have to use the belt yeah you have to push into the belt and that that always takes some time i think for people to figure that out and like but eventually it will start to click more

yeah and i do think once you learn how to use it correctly it is safer you know yeah i think so i mean i wouldn't even consider doing high percentage work that frankly i'm not a very super skilled deadlifter anyways and i don't think my technique is on point and i'd rather have a belt in case i do come apart you know somewhere you know just to keep things, keep things in check. Um, I guess for me, the one, one piece of, of personal equipment that I use that once I got was a huge difference maker for me is like, was, is just a raised heel shoe, a lifter shoe. You know, I haven't had, I didn't have much lifting experience before, but I went from coming to the gym and squatting and fucking running basketball shoes and then running shoes.

And then, you know, some, um, like Nike Metcon, just like the flats, you know, a semi-stable flat, but, uh, you know, pretty much just a flat heel to then I bought the Nike Romelios and that raised heel was a total game changer for me for squatting and my Olympic lifts. But it's just I felt so stable all of a sudden. I was just like, whoa. But the raised heel for me, my ankle positions are not great. I'm sure if I worked more at it, I would get better at it. But why would you try to get better at something when you can just buy new shoes?

And look cool in the process. And then I went from those to recently I got the Position USA, the blue suede lifters, which are, if you don't know what those are, they are the hands down the sexiest lifting shoe on the market for sure. They're like handmade handmade but it's a legitimate blue suede shoe with a wooden heel but this heel is another i think it's like a full effective quarter inch higher is that an inch high this is actually i believe yes because the romelios are three quarters and these are an inch it's actually like an inch and a quarter but i don't know what the

term effective heel height means well i wonder if there's a quarter of an inch in the front you know possibly that might be it that maybe the front is but i know the effective heel height is only a quarter inch more yeah so that might be the fronts are maybe just a little higher too yeah um but that extra quarter inch since i've got those shoes, I fucking feel fantastic. I didn't, I hadn't realized that those were high. I know, I know that there, you know, that's, I know that that's a thing that. And I, that's when I knew too, like, I was like, God damn it. Actually, I need to work on my ankles because like, as soon as I got in this race, he was

like, man, I feel fucking strong. I feel stable. I'm squatting. Like I feel fucking so good, better than my squats have ever felt and it's only because of that position change and like i was like god damn it so do i keep buying higher heels or do i have to actually yeah get better at it it's weird i don't i don't know for sure you know from a powerlifting standpoint there's expert level power lifters that will rag on raised heels you know someone like matt winning he obviously knows what he's talking about and

can't argue that but then you could take someone like jim wendler or mark ripto both of them also exceptional top level strength coaches yeah who will say that, first of all, think about what, what's comfortable for you. But if that's a raised heel, that's no big deal. Like, yeah, you know, like they both, both of them, their preference would be a raised heel in the back squat, you know, like usually not, I have read, they'll say, you say, for a power lifter, not an Olympic shoe, probably not a one inch, but a three quarter inch is doable. I don't know. There's guys on both sides of the fence that are both reputable and respected. I think about everything else is it's more about probably

like well what works best for you yeah and what's more comfortable for you and and then you don't have to like be married to it either you're like tommy he's going he's he he bought his heels he bought the what are the oddy powers or the yeah yep and then kind of went back to his flats and trained with his flats his whole last cycle up to the last meet lifted in his flats and then now he's tinkering with the heels again like just something to do yeah kind of right and like that's i think that's the way everybody should train like with everything he's like just don't fucking get married to this thing you don't have to be on the, like, the fuck a lifting shoe team. And you don't have to get that tattooed on your arm.

Yeah. And, like, and live it. You know, can't be flats till I die. Because maybe, what if, I mean, you could argue that, I would just say maybe what if you put on the heeled shoe and you squatted 25 more pounds than you've ever done before because you felt even that person. Yeah, like would you not count that PR either? Like even if they're really good in a flat shoe and they're comfortable, what if they are even better in a, you know. Yeah. You know, they might not know that.

Like. I imagine they would have an argument that like you should just get there in your, you know. Yeah. You should be able to train that in your. But if you're not there, you could just be there now. Right. I don't know. Or at least try it.

I'm all about trying everything. Yeah, right. And maybe they would try it and... Not like it. Right. Which is very possible too. But I was actually concerned about the elevated heel with these position shoes. I was like, it's even higher.

I don't know. It's not going to help me get better. But I don't know. My squats have felt so good that I don't really give a shit right since i you know since i got only i don't care and they don't even pay me anything i paid good good goddamn money for them shoes um but i yeah i i really like them that's the switching to not any specific shoe but a raised heel for me you know basketball i used to play basketball and basketball players you just have shit ankles and you have shit ankle mobility yeah the whole sport of

basketball is played on the balls of your feet yeah and usually you sprain your ankle like a couple yeah a couple dozen times in your career right and uh yeah and and so you're you know for me like just walking around i practically walk on the balls of my feet. But yeah, that's the one piece for me. We better get to these reviews before we run out of time. Take too long. We do have multiple reviews to look at this time, so that's big news in and of itself. Got to get to them here. All right, I'll kill some time.

I don't have any good jokes well i'm almost there now we do have two there are two reviews uh that ties our our record our weekly record when we check these uh okay first one, the title is just lift. Lift is the title. Five out of five stars. And the review is, one of my new favorite podcasts. Glad I stumbled upon this. I even bought the Weekend Warrior lift t-shirt.

Great stuff. Hashtag Masonomics. And this is from, he used his instagram handle as uh his name on this so the original dj53 and he did post uh his shirt on instagram also it's kind of a big guy he's that's the one you did you repost yeah i rep. Righteous. So he, I don't know what he first, I'd like to ask him where he first stumbled upon us, but he, he's been a pretty good find us.

Uh, what's the best way. Even if you just message, message us on, on Instagram, DJ, we want to know like how people are finding this. Yeah.

Cause we would like to replicate that. Yeah. You know, he would be a key. He's our key demographic. He started listening to the podcast. He left a review. He bought a shirt a key he's our key demographic he started listening to the podcast he left a review he bought a shirt like he's big yeah he lifts we want more and more of you if you have any friends like that are like you uh that's good so that's a good review props

for that one man the next one titled's Lit. Five out of five stars. And this is from Lee, uh, L-E-A dash, uh. I have a guess. Yeah. And it goes, I first started listening to the podcast because I thought the mass part of massonomics meant the same as my weekly mass i attend every wednesday night at the catholic church well i quickly learned this was much much different but i can't hide the fact that because of this podcast i have fell in love with a new hobby getting big of course keep up the good work guys i look forward to it each and every week it It really gets my juices flowing, if you know what I mean. Highly recommend.

That might be my favorite review so far. At the very end, in all caps, highly recommend. It really gets the juices flowing. That's tremendous. That's another really good review. Those are great reviews. Keep them coming, guys.

Let's see. Did I have anything? I don't think i had anything else to what else anything else we had to get out today oh nothing in particular i did i think uh i don't know if i didn't tell you this i was talking to tommy i've got like this one-off shirt around and like one or two one-off hats around so we're probably gonna try and figure out some sort of uh giveaway opportunity for that so so stay tuned for that like odds are we probably won't have as many people that enter as as we would like so if you do enter you probably have a chance like a really good chance because we're not super popular right right so you could probably get like a cool shirt or hat for for free i didn't tell this did i tell this story about how I won that fucking Spud Inc. sled pulling?

I might have. I don't know. My wife bought me that sled, the Prowler sled. And then, shit, maybe like a week later, Spud Inc. on their Instagram had like one of those giveaways where you just like... Comment. You have to follow them and you have to like them. And then you have to like just tag like three or four people in the comments and i fucking won this belt and i swore

that all of those things on the internet were bullshit yeah and the only reason that i ever do those that i that i like did even that one is because it didn't require me to share it yeah that's the key anything that requires me to put any of your stuff on my timeline is not happening right like and we won't do that to you as an audience as much as maybe we would want to but but uh but that's uh like yeah so i won that there so apparently but there's like lots of people that enter in that because they have i don't even know how many followers they have, like tens of thousands, I suppose. Yeah. And we do not have that many.

So, so yeah, if you're hearing this, keep your eyes peeled because when that comes out, you'll have like a pretty good shot at winning some free shit. Right. Like we're going to have to talk, I don't know what we're going to have to like make sure that immediate family does not get it. They might be the only ones yeah no shit but uh well i think i think that'll do it for us today um thanks we actually we're gonna do this we're gonna take the small recorder we're gonna do it outside but it got just a little bit late we're worried we're gonna be stuck out in the dark but we might have to do

that next time we have a two-man podcast. Oh, yeah, I forgot Tommy wasn't here. Oh, yeah, where's Tommy? But so that'll do it for us today. But make sure, if you want to support the podcast, first things first, go to massanomics.com. There's articles, videos, all of our podcasts is archived there. You can also find the podcast on iTunes and Stitcher. But massanomics.com, there's the store there's hats shirts the weekend warrior we're gonna have some new hats dropping soon the new lift hats will be there um we don't know exactly when the women's shirt and the women's shirt and the pro tank will be in stocked items normally at this

time and uh yeah so all that, you want to help us, that's the best way to actually help us short of just mailing us money. And if you're interested in just mailing us money, you can message us at getbigatmassanomics.com. That'll get you right to the front of our list too. We'll read that email right away. Yeah, definitely.

Other than that, make sure you go to iTunes and leave us a five-star review. Say some nice things. Just tell Tommy how beautiful his hair is. Yeah. You know, nobody, not a single, that's how I know how few people watch it on YouTube. Right.

Like I don't think people know that we have the episodes on YouTube because otherwise I think Tommy's hair would have its own Instagram page. It would have more comments. Yeah, so check out the YouTube version for this. Yeah, youtube.com forward slash massonomics. Subscribe there. Still have all of those interviews from the Arnold are on there, and those are super awesome. Facebook, make sure you follow us, like us on Facebook, share some shit.

That's where we'll kind of post all our new articles and everything all get run through Facebook first. Other than that, that'll do it for us today. I'm Tyler. You can find me on Instagram at Tyler F. and Stone. That's Tyler E-F-F-I-N Stone. Tanner? Tanner, you can get me on Instagram, the official Masanomics page,

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