Massenomics Podcast - Ep.148: Arm Wrestling in Strongman

Episode Date: February 4, 2019

Arm wrestling in strongman.. Is there any room for man VS man events like this in today’s top level strongman competitions? You can also hear our latest tech advice in this episode, and listen to us be baffled by a 15 year old girl benching 355 pounds in competition.

Welcome to Massanomics, the world's strongest podcast. Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at Massanomics. Make sure you go visit massanomics.com. There you'll find the rest of our powerful content. While you're there, check out our store and buy yourself some of that sweet Massanomics gear. Welcome, everyone, to episode 148 of the massanomics podcast the world's strongest podcast your two hosts are here again today tommy and tanner what up what up we're back in the saddle again for uh another one last episode we talked about uh how i might need to get a new phone, how I may also need to get new tires for my pickup.

Yep. And it turns out... When it rains, it pours. Well, yeah, and I guess we've said it before. We're both in the same boat of being relatively frugal, at least, and probably beyond relatively at times. I actually did both of those things in the same day. Oh, my God. The same one day.

Are you literally made of money not after that day and that wasn't going into the day that wasn't my plan i finally uh i had bit the bullet like the day before on the tires and i was like all right i'm gonna get this scheduled and get this paid for and just get this expense out of the way like sometimes i just want to get yep a big one out of the way and be like all all right, now I'll plan for the next, uh, give me a little, give me a little, uh, clear space and then I'll brace myself. I need the dust to settle for a little bit and then see where the cards lie and then make my next choice. So I had the, uh, got the tires done, pick that up. Uh, my pickup up at noon, drove it home and I was like, Hmm, it seems kind of the same as it did before

these tires but i did have to give them 800 you know my life is no different that's exactly how i feel with tires buying tires is probably one of the more expensive lease reward like combination where high expense little reward because like i mean you could make the same argument maybe about, like, registering vehicles and things. Yeah. But at least with that, you never even get anything in the first place. Like, with tires, you actually get something new. Like, you can actually see it.

Right, that's true. And it's big. But unless your tires are terrible, you don't really notice at all. Right. I guess I haven't ever. No. Vehicle registration is a whole other thing, though, that also is. It is. I swear that. Have we talked about that before? I haven't ever. No. Vehicle registration is a whole other thing, though, that also is. It is.

I swear that. Have we talked about that before? I know we personally have. I'm not sure we ever have on the podcast. That, I swear to God, that comes once a year. My month is January. What are you, February, March? Mine's next month.

Okay. And I swear that comes like once every three months. It's one of those things, too, though,, when you have more stuff, it hurts way more. Mine sucks. We have, you know, I have, we have three cars, a trailer, a motorcycle. So I have five things on there. And when I get that, I'm like, oh no. We're selling half these things tomorrow.

Probably the worst thing for you. Actually, I'm sure a lot of you are in this similar situation. But would you say you use many of those things very often? We use two of the five things regularly. One of the five things gets used moderately, and the last two of the five get used very rarely. So it's like for two and a half-h things that get used at normal in a normal rotation but we've got to pay for all of them yeah like for me it's not as bad i have a vehicle

boat and a trailer and the boat in the trailer isn't too i mean trailer is almost nothing it's not too bad but yeah it is one of those things just for every year it's like like the whole taxes thing that's one like once Once I became self-employed, you always get your check, your pay stub when you're working a job for someone. And you see like, okay, yep, the government takes a lot of money out. But when you are self-employed and you get the money and it's in your bank account for anywhere from days to months. And then it's your responsibility. Man, they take a lot of money from me and this really sucks and what if it's like oh i kind of forgot about that and i spent

all that money well you know luckily i totally know how like that can happen yeah right like luckily i've i've braced myself and i have enough financial like sense general awareness to like you know to know that that money has to be like earmarked and kind of put away but right um i get now when people are always like oh this tax bill came up and i'm like oh yeah i can see how if you're not a planning person that really hurts yeah as a small business owner you kind of have to be uh if you want any type of longevity either that or your business has to boom so much and you're so profitable it's like yeah that's the same one it's like well because taxes are kind of estimated yeah so you know outside of sales tax you know that's it is what it is but like estimated taxes like you're kind

of guessing yeah it's like okay but at least if you're guest planning on a guesstimate you're going to be but even then it's like oh that can change too right just, you're going to be. But even then, it's like, oh, that can change too. Right. Just because you're like, I did my duty for the year, you might not actually be good. They might come around tax time and say, we're taking a little more now. Yep, yep. Oh, taxes. Death taxes and the Mastanomics podcast.

All three things that you can't get away from. Never go away. So the original story, got the tires, got home with the tires. When I work, I normally wear a button-down shirt with breast pocket. Because you're fancy like that. Yeah, I'm fancy like that. No tie, though, right? I don't wear a tie.

In my previous job, I used to have to wear a tie, and I do not. Did you have a particular tie-k knot style that you were privy to? Double Windsor. That was your go-to? Double Windsor. Okay, classic. Yep. There was two different.

I can't remember the other one that I did on occasion, but I liked the Double Windsor better. But it's funny. I used to do that every day, and now I got out of it. And actually, I think your wedding was the first time that I had to tie a tie again for a while. And like, I kind of forgot. Oh, you know where I was like, oh man, I did this every day and I just couldn't. Yeah.

It makes sense. And I, there was a very, very, very brief period in time where I could tie a tie. I mean, we're talking like a couple months and I don't have to wear ties ever. And if you don't, it's so easy to forget that. Like, I couldn't even, like, tell you where to start. Yeah. You know that struggle that, you know, the guy, like at a wedding. Oh, the one guy that knows how to do it.

Yeah, he does them all. Because he has a respected job where he has to wear a tie every day. But, like, everyone else is, like, that kind of knows how you do it, and it comes out this long. Like, yeah, the one guy has, yeah, it and it comes out. And it's this long. Yeah. The one guy has, yeah. It's going like way past his belt buckle. And the other guy has like a toddler's tie on.

And I did get to where I could like do it in the car and, you know, get it. You know, I often usually didn't, but if I had to, I could and get it where it's about the consistent about the same time every time. But now I basically forgot. But what was fun about wearing the tie at the end of the day on the drive home i loved uh just like ah it really made me feel like i did something even if i didn't yeah um but so the shirt with the breast pocket i was walking uh into my house for um lunch and i grabbed my phone and went to slide it into my pocket like i always do and let go of it and went to slide it into my pocket like I always do

and let go of it and surprise surprise that day I was not wearing a shirt that had a pocket right there that hurts yeah and I dropped it on to other just weird coincidence now that I think about it it was in a room that was formerly carpet that I not so many months ago changed to a hard laminate flooring all right so there's a lot of pieces at play here this was this was it's like the butterfly effect or something you know it is the butterfly I wasn't wearing my shirt with the pocket course of the future yeah Michael J Fox went back in time and uh because he made out with his mom yeah my phone broke and you wanted to destroy a phone. So it landed, and I dropped that phone.

Yeah, actually, you know, if you get a case on, for the most part, you're probably good. Yeah. Not that time. It hit just right in one of the corners and spiderwebbed the entire phone to the point where it still worked, thankfully. But, like, to rub my finger across it there was glass small glass shards which is not ideal no no and i was just concerned that it was going to quit working altogether soon and i don't necessarily have a lot of that stuff back there's a lot of just valuable massonomics data living on that thing yes so i this was just a couple hours after writing the

check for the tires and i said all right'm just going to get this done today too. February's a new month. At least I have these two things out of the way with. Yep. So the cell phone store is a whole other thing. The time, it was like a two-hour process. I knew what I wanted. I was actually talking to someone about this the other day.

This blows my mind that cell phone stores exist and they're busy because I go to a cell phone store once every three years. So I just think like who are the people that are in there all of the time? How is there enough to keep seven people busy every day? That's what I was going to say. Do you know how many people were? So I literally have not been in there since 2015 when I bought my prior phone. I went in when I bought my prior one, my iPhone 6. Yeah.

A week after it came out, I went in to get my phone. I was in and out very quickly. And then until I got my new one a few months ago, I went in once like a year ago because my charging port wasn't working. I actually thought I was screwed. They're like, oh, we can actually clean that out. Didn't know they could do that. They cleaned it out for me great. I was in and out like five minutes.

They didn't charge me anything. I was like, okay, I don't have to go in this store for a few more years. You know what else works good for cleaning out that charging port is just a paper. Mine gets linted at the end of a paper clip, and you can pick out out the lint pretty good and see i hadn't kind of done that stuff and it wasn't i don't know if they had some solution that they put on it that really got it good but yeah but yet that's what i was going to say is there was six sales reps working in there and i was like oh my god i thought there was going to be one person working in here i was like how are they employing so many people because it is like the exact thing

that goes through my i mean i'm assuming they're not getting paid very well but right i don't know ah i was blown away by that honestly that there was that many people working in there and the only thing i can think of is when i was there i would say the average age was like 50 plus so i don't know if like older people go in there is like they're just general tech support which i would never in a million years do like like it would have to be to the point where like like i said i was trying to fight with my phone charging for like over three months yeah and finally i'm like i might need a new one basically everyone that came in while i was there was either 65 plus or 17 or under there was also a lot of yeah yeah someone came uh a teenager girl came in to

like pay she had she's like well i got some cash on me i was almost like she had to pay like a little bit just to get a little bit of data back or something and i i was like man that's what sucks to have to come in monthly to pay just like here's 20 can I please use my phone again boss you gotta pay to keep them off your back I was like oh boy that wouldn't be fun but I I did go with the XR uh 10R yeah yeah I did here yep and I also had to get corrected on that by the sales because I just read on it on the internet like I don't hear anyone talk about it so a lot of people say it's the dumbest naming convention ever because because there's xs yeah yeah xs max and uh i i really you know i based that partly off your recommendation but really seems like the way to go for the price difference in the so this is also what we like to talk about is that a maxed out 10s max is $1,500 which uh that's and i i made the comment to you i was like well i could maybe sell my car and get that phone i was like a car a phone

yeah i don't think many people but oh i mean sales are not doing very well in these right now oh okay because that's what is that why they came out with the xr to have a lower price that's what they say but even supposedly that's not doing the best. Well, it's still expensive. It is, and Apple now for the first time starting this year is no longer reporting sales numbers. They're only reporting profit. So you don't know how many units they're moving, but the thing is you can look at the supply chain and see what they're ordering and see that, okay, they're cutting supply chain orders, cutting them. So you know the signs are telling like orders aren't doing very good.

Yep. And it's probably because one, for the most part, Americans have hit peak cell phone. Yeah. What does, outside of if your cell phone really sucks, like it's old and slow. Right. I mean, the newer ones don't really do anything crazy. Like they take better pictures and they're faster. Right.

But outside of that, like it doesn't, it's not like you're going from a really shitty smartphone to like your first like good iphone or android phone or something like that like so it's like the demand kind of isn't there anymore you know yeah so people don't need to upgrade every year right they're like us they upgrade every three or four yeah it's like okay yeah we're probably on the more extreme end of the like at four probably a little bit but i don't think it's completely unusual i mean based off of the people that i know a lot of people have phones that are quite a bit older now they're just like i'm just toughing it out i don't care the pricing is just but the pricing is getting insane like this is as far as apple goes one of the most reasonable ones i could purchase there and it was

still 800 yeah oh no well this is yes exactly you get the, did you get the 128 gig? Yeah. Yeah. So, so it was $810. You bump up the memory. I did the same thing at 800. Crazy.

And the thing that happened to me, that's the, almost the budget choice. It is. And yeah, at this point it really is like the budget choice. And like where Apple really got me is that I made up my mind to buy my new phone.

And then, um, a week and a half later, my everyday work computer of six years finally quit working so it's like oh kind of a similar thing apple's really getting me hard this month like yeah they they got a lot out of me he did uh he's like was trying to show me it because i mentioned the you know that they got rid of the headphone jack or whatever you call that uh normal end he's like well that's why i use this uh samsung something, something. And I was like, dude, I've used an iPhone for like 10 years now.

It's not going to be switching. It's the opportunity cost. It's like the switching cost at this point. Right. Because all of your apps would be gone. Basically, I will never switch unless there's some huge change. Well, and you know you can get an adapter for that. Or yeah, we have a data anywhere.

It just sucks. It's annoying so that's but that is pretty much where we're at with phones outside only a couple now even have like a lot of the android phones got rid of it too right right it's a world weird world we live in yeah wild and crazy expensive world but now you can just really feed that phone addiction even more right no i was does it feel like apple's just pumping pumping images directly to your brain what is it called the feature where it tells screen time i did that and i didn't even know that was on there the first day it told me and i was like oh well that's depressing like i don't like seeing that so i i still have it on there and i have been it's working i think for me where i'm trying to use it a little bit less because I'm seeing that.

Yeah, that is one. And it's not just the new phone. It's just the newest iOS. But then I get a notification, and I just want to – I'm like – I know. We'll quit on the phone talk here in a second. But that is – I think Android does have a thing, too. It does tell you how much you've been using certain apps

and how much you've had your phone. It even tells you how much times you've picked it up to look at it. And when that first came on, is like disgusting and i've i've worked with that app to like put limits in place for me because you can override the limits but at least you're now getting reminders like hey you've been on this a while that reminder does something for it does it does something for me whereas i would just you could just go uninterrupted forever and uh like i i've cut my screen time like in half and i feel much better about myself because of it right so self-control yeah discipline great things to have

comes with your new iphone built in built in uh this episode sponsored by apple take a bite out of life. So something lifting related. What do we want to jump into first? How about that top one? We put out a post on Instagram, just a post to kind of get some feedback from people not opinionated by us in any way. Just to really get a pulse for what's happening, what people are thinking. you get a pulse for what's happening, what people are thinking. And so it was a picture of Magnus Samuelsson arm wrestling back when they used to do arm wrestling in strongman events,

and it just said, do you think they should do arm wrestling in strongman events again like they used to? Should there be a larger variety of events kind of like there used to be, or has the sport maybe grown or progressed to a point where that stuff like those man versus man events just don't make any sense for the sport anymore and i because i do think you could make an argument for for both ways yeah but the feedback that we got back specifically on the arm wrestling i would say was overwhelmingly no

yes that should not be an event because it's dangerous it seemed like the main people that were like that wanted to see it were like screw it i don't care what happens like it's like i just want to i'm just a casual which yeah i mean that would be cool to see but it really would be a one-time thing right because people are going to just start blowing each other and the big thing arm wrestling is such a technical sport that if you don't know what you're doing you know there's so much uh more of a chance or risk for injury yep but my and essentially i agree with that i don't think it should probably be there but my counter to that would be well if it's a part of the sport then it's to be good at it it's their job to to know it yeah to be proficient at it

and it used to be a part so you can't uh you're like the thing is people say well that's a whole nother sport kind of well powerlifting is a whole nother sport but deadlifting is in strongman yeah and you don't say that's a whole nother sport well some people kind of do actually yeah with some of those things like they with it being like a traditional deadlift setup but right but and what i would go back to is arm wrestling was a part of the sport like when strong man started they essentially took events that were parts of other sports and put them all together like really heavy or just like more awkward in some way. And invented some new stuff along the way. But that would be my counter to that is like, well, if it is a part of the sport,

then it's their job to be know what they're doing and not be complete novices at it. But I still would agree at the end of the day that arm wrestling probably. I would too. I think if anything, though, I don't like the mentality that like, well, this is what strong man. Right. That's what I, though, I don't like the mentality that like, well, this is what Strongman is. That's what I go back to. To me, that is the whole point of Strongman is that it should be pretty random.

Like I don't want to start to see and it kind of does seem like that a little bit. It's just a log press, a stone load, and a deadlift. And then some type of like truck pull or airplane pull or bus pull. Like you kind of, the finals do kind of seem like they're almost getting to be repeatable. Yeah, there's basically like seven events and they choose five. And that's what, to me, was really exciting about the Arnold this year. It's like, yeah, they do have the tried and true ones, but they are doing some weird stuff.

Yeah, the cone and wheel of pain or whatever it is, especially. And even the stones. That is, to me, a little bit more of a return to roots thing that has been absent for a while. But I agree with what you said. Just because it's been like this for the last 10, 15 years, why is that all of a sudden like, no, this is what Strongman is. It's log lifts and variations of the deadlift. And it's like, well, it didn't used to look so much like that.

But that seems to be what people are saying, like drawing the line. I mean, it's hard for me to understand why they're saying that's the line in the sand. Like, no, we can do log lifts and a yoke and these other seven things. But any more than that, that's not strong, man. I just don't really understand. I think people are always going to have issues with the with the person versus person event and i kind of do understand that i do and i also like a different thing yes that one is always tricky because things can get really

anticlimactic like yeah or some guy just comes out and takes one step better than someone whether you know with sumo wrestling or something like that. He just has a step on the other guy and it's done. It's like, oh, that was cool. We didn't really see a whole lot happen. And it probably ends up that way more often than not. And you could make the argument that, well, those things aren't entirely strength-based. And someone said that too. Several people made that comment that it's not as much.

But I would also say a lot of things in strongman aren't entirely straight if there was entirely strength based you know half or brian shaw would be the only ones that ever win right and right now they kind of are but but it also is i mean they are there are they can move to you know they're not they're not just stuck in place right yeah so what about you know so arm wrestling probably makes the least sense out of those because of the high level of risk. But what about sumo wrestling or what were the other? Moss wrestling is probably something we see more, not a lot of, but do see in strongman still today. Yep, because that was, what did we say? That's at the LA Fit Expo that Larry Wheels did, yeah.

Yeah, that one. And even like tug of war. Yeah,po that Larry Wheels did, yeah. Yeah, that one. And even like Tug of War. Yeah, Tug of War. There you go. That's another one. That to me seems like one like – I mean, you did it firsthand. Yeah. Like it will completely gas you.

Yeah. The chance for injury, I don't know if there's like a high chance for injury on that. I don't think so. Yeah, at any point you can just all this or be done and then i get like when you just go to the injury thing well then all this stuff is extremely well the injury thing just watch any finals half of the people usually are done after the first three events due to injury right exactly or not even the final like the world's strongest man when they actually do that final event you know once they get everyone there that starts to happen people just that's to me that is you can make the argument about anything

grip related like that shouldn't be in the thing because the first time someone rips their hands and has to get out of it basically the big frame with it's like little hand yeah let's do the big frame right away with little handles and have everyone destroy their hands and now they're half of the person they were before like they can't hang on now three of the people can't actually compete like yeah like that's literally just like let's shoot ourselves in the foot before a track meet here all right i don't know people say mass wrestling is dangerous i didn't i didn't necessarily even know that but people say there's a lot of injury in that i mean i can sure see why two people are pulling on each other as hard as possible but i mean yeah it's i could see it uh i don't know tug of war i don't know how it fits into a lot of competitions but

i don't know us using the way we did it in our team competition i think it's great it was very cool i think it's great as a team i would love to see a team tug of war with world strong yes that would be so cool to see yes it would be it doesn't really it doesn't fit in the format and i don't even know how that's the thing is like a one-on-one thing doesn't really fit either no it doesn't either but they do some of the other big team competitions like i've seen it before where they have that log that they're the two teams like i've seen it so jurnus zavikas do it compete in it before, and it's like two or three guys on the one team versus two and three guys on the other,

and it's like a five-foot log that each team is holding on each end, and they're trying to like push the other team. I don't know how to describe it or what it is, but I've seen them do that within the last year. So there is something out there that they do like that too. But I think there's an element of seeing people actually go at it that is interesting yeah i yeah i agree that the that is what makes i mean strongman already has more of that than powerlifting that's what makes it way more fun is that there actually is this competition element um yeah i just anything to like make it more just unusual yeah i think it's always a

way for strongman right sumo wrestling there again i think it would be fun to see but i don't know if it's i think it could be really anti-climactic yeah exactly really yeah and i bet if you pulled the world's strongest men like the 10 from the finals i bet none of them would want that as an event oh i don't think so no you know so i don't think they would want any of these no i bet you're right tug of war may i i feel like there's a way you could do a one-on-one tug of war maybe it doesn't look like the normal rope and it like there could be something that uh you're either pushing or pulling against each other yeah to cross a line you know yeah one guy on each end of something i i think there could be something there that could be pretty pretty interesting to see because to see

thor and brian go at something like that you it would be really fun to see yes come out but that's just one matt that's just the one that i always go to in my mind like i want to see those two but the way that it works out it probably doesn't even end in those two doing that. Probably not. So that's kind of it on that. I think it's probably not ever going to really happen or switch back that direction, I don't think. I'd be really surprised to see it.

I think the craziest we'll get is like the Arnold's doing, taking kind of more of a traditional thing, but just making it more like theatric sounding. And maybe we'll get there, it the arnold's doing making taking kind of more of a traditional thing but just making it more like theatric sounding right and maybe we'll get there i'll be a total bust but yeah on paper it sounds like oh this is gonna be pretty wild yeah brian benzel uh competed at world's strongest man last couple years he commented on it and said he was strongly not in favor of any of those events and much like a lot of the people on there but it was interesting to see an actual world's strongest man competitor throw his two cents in his opinion is worth just

slightly more than the average person's than all the rest of the people that don't actually oh he has perspective do we want to talk about uh do we want to give a little update on what Larry's been up to? Mr. Williams? Yeah. This is our segment called, What's Larry Been Up To? And we guessed it pretty close. Yeah.

Yep. He finished second at the LA Fit Expo. Spoiler alert if you haven't seen any of that. If you haven't seen it by now you don't care did you see any of the actual events yeah he uh just thinking of the ones quick off my head that i know the axle max axle deadlift no straps allowed he won that event he did like 4 440 i think which doesn't seem like a lot but i mean kind of a axle yeah I think he won that pretty easily and even just did an extra one just for fun and then like had already won and that one

still looked easy so he could have done more I'm sure on that yeah he won the uh Viking press I know he did 24 reps maybe uh the yoke he didn't win and he didn't look as fast as some of those guys, I'm sure. Yep. It was a yoke carry with a sandbag, and he didn't look bad at it, but it's just... You can see over the other people's technical abilities, really. Moss Wrestling, he won a couple and then lost one at the end to, I think, the guy that ended up beating him overall.

But he looked pretty good at the Moss Wrestling. I would assume the guy that ended up beating him overall. But he looked, like, pretty good at the moss wrestling. I would assume a strong deadlift does a lot in that. Yeah. I think there's a lot of technique in that because I did see a video of Martins. Martins Lisas was the world champion moss wrestler in 2017. Really? Yeah. That's pretty cool.

Yeah, yeah. And he doesn't do it right now because he is focusing more on a strong man. But he said at some point in time he'll probably go back to it. But I saw him teaching Larry a little bit and it seemed to be a lot of technique. Well, I'm sure it was one of those things to just get someone off of their balance. Yeah, it's getting off balance is a big part of it. And there's like moves. Well, yeah, because if it's two guys just pulling as hard as they can,

well, that could probably go quite a while. Right, and that's not really what it is, except probably at the most novice level. So I think he did pretty decent at that. The weird event, there was this last man standing. Well, that's assuming you don't think Moss Wrestling is a weird event. Well, that was kind of weird too, but weirder than that, or the exact format of it was weird it was

a tire flip it was a big ass tire like 11 or 1200 pounds and it was a last man standing tire flip event with i think all of the competitors so it would start with you on that side of the tire and me on this side of the tire and you have to flip it over flip it to to me and then it's my turn to flip it back to you and you keep going once someone can't do it you're out and someone else comes in so how do i think it's your number of flips oh that you get all the total reps yeah total reps i think but the the part that makes even less sense to me and this is what screwed larry from what i saw is it was a five second time limit to flip the tire and that was what basically means you have to have a perfect like pick on it every time and and they larry wasn't down like ready to lift it

when they i don't know if he could have been and that was on him but they said start he was standing two feet away and it's a five second time limit By the time he's down and even wiggles once or twice. Five seconds is really fast for that. And he flipped it, and they're like, nope, no good. And they said last year it was a 15-second time limit. Well, that's really long. But five was way too short. If you just watch what he did and they said, nope,'re like whoa how do you that is not appropriate yeah that's i don't like stuff like that no it's

just like oh well on a technicality you were strong enough and it wasn't even like oh you were struggling to the lift it was just some technicality yeah ready and um the guy that beat him was a tall guy maybe looked six five and heavy guy and i guess he beat him overall and i don't know too much more than that larry got second so he doesn't make the arnold amateur which that's disappointing i was really hoping he was going to be competing because i think from where our booth's at it's probably not that far away yeah it's got to be pretty cool yeah i'd have to look at the map on it but it would we would have been able to sneak and probably catch some of that so that's that is disappointing to me yeah i was hoping to see him there always next year right but like you said our predictions were probably

yeah i did like reading the posts like i can't remember so you know one of like the generic accounts reposted like powerlifting motivation or something. And someone's like, how did he not win? Like all these people like that just have it made up in their minds that he is the strongest man to ever exist. It's like, well, oh, I got to see what this other guy looks like. He's got a lot to go on that to be, you know, if he really wants to get. You know, at first when he, people, before he quite started here a few months ago you know he did some really heavy overhead presses and people are starting to say like oh he could be competing

at world's strongest man yeah and like now as you see him get into it it's like not whole like yeah like there's levels on the ladder that he has to go here yes you know there's and you can see he's not there yet i mean probably not many people would come into their first Strongman competition and do as good as him. Yeah. Very few ever. One of the size. Yeah.

Right. Not just some little local meat. So not like he's a slouch, but there's just a long ways between he and the strongest men in the world still at Strongman. Yep. But we'll keep our eye on Larry. We'll keep you on the loop. I'm sure there'll be some more updates along the way.

Yeah, we're not going to forget about him altogether. Not write him off quite yet. No, guaranteed. Do we want to go into a stat of the week? We've got a good stat of the week this week. Yeah, at least it's cool for those of us from Masonomics. At least five people are going to like this stat. The rest of you listening probably won't care for it, but maybe you'll find it interesting.

Let's sit on down and get ready. This is from our friends at Open Powerlifting. Always shoot us the stat of the week, and they put this one together special for us. I didn't even notice the title of this at the top until just now, but it's called the First first annual massonomics gym awards i didn't know that worked for us yeah uh and so there's about 20 different stats and this is specific to the lifters of massonomics gym for those of you that maybe haven't listened to us for a long time we we have our own uh club powerlifting slash strongman gym we got 30 to 40 members and this is the stats of those those members that

have power lifted there before awesome i'm excited for this a couple of them i'll do i'll i'll quiz you on i don't know if i'll do everyone because it just would be too long but i'll pick some of the better ones to quiz you on. All right. First stat, most competitions. Got to be Larry. Larry Shook, eight. Okay. Is that counting, like, bench only?

Or has he done – he's done, like, push-pulls, hasn't he? See, I – they did – open powerlifting did go back and forth with me to do my homework to make sure everything, the stats were comprehensive. I do think Larry had a couple old meets that were even out. That maybe haven't been documented yet. Yeah, and I don't even know if there is. Like I've looked back on the South Dakota. It's probably on a piece of paper.

Yeah, and I don't think it exists. Somewhere in a filing cabinet. Yeah. So he's done eight, I think possibly more than that, if you really figured it exists. Somewhere in a filing cabinet. Yeah. So he's done eight, I think possibly more than that, if you really figured it out. So earliest competition per the records would also be Larry Shook. He did one in 2014. Oh, he's got to have him older than that.

Right. And there are ones older than that. It's just that South Dakota's – Okay, yeah, yeah. Their record would be worse. It was – Okay, yeah yeah i know for a fact yeah right but that's the earliest in the database okay and he would have been the only one i think everyone else is completely comprehensive from what i saw it's just larry has earlier ones that

uh because he did some where he's competing single ply yeah because i remember him telling me that doing meets when single ply was only was the only And I think, what was that changeover in like 2008 or 2009? Maybe that's something like that, yeah. So, yeah, he probably has meets from back then. He does, and that's not on Open Powerlift not having the data like I said. Yeah, that's just a bad record. Yes, yes. Okay, average body weight for the lifters of the gym.

This is all body weights for all competitors from all competition data 220 very close 227.48 so that's pretty on par with average of uh what we've seen guys a few a little lower got some guys yeah bigger i think we've done a stat of the week that open power lifting has provided before where it's average weight of all and i think there's it was slightly less than that yeah it was over 200 it was like 205 yeah i think so so we're a little heavier than uh just average yeah that's right um okay now we'll get into the average lifts of the of the massonomics powerlifting team average wrapped squat is 502 okay there's can't be many though wrapped squats are far less than the raw squats average raw squat what do you think that is uh

470 495 wow and i thought that was yeah that was higher than what i would have guessed that the average squat of the gym was. Average bench? 300. 331. That was another one where I was... Like, so many people at the gym, though, can bench 330 plus. Yeah, right.

There are a lot of people. Yes, that it does bring that up. Average deadlift, what do you think that is? 550. That one since 538 so i thought to me just on those three numbers the squat and the bench were higher than what i might have thought yeah deadlift was a little lower than what i might have thought yeah yeah i i i it makes sense to me yeah Yeah. I can totally see it. Average total full power meets, what do you think that is? Average total, ooh. Well, I guess you could just add them. What's that come out to be?

Probably like 1350-ish? Yeah, 1366.66. Not a bad average total. Average Wilks score? That's got to be like, wow, okay, this gets a little tricky now because we're talking all uh 370 375 wow i'm pretty good at this so i think that's a pretty decent average wilk score of all the lifters at the gym too when you say that's the average yeah yeah right okay now we get into the biggest lifts of in competition of the gym biggest wrapped squat do you know who has that? Is it you? Nope. It's not me.

Larry? It's Larry. It is, huh? Larry will be a name we'll hear often in the stat of the week. Larry shook 590 pounds wrapped squat. Ooh, right there. Biggest raw squat. Is it Larry also?

Larry again. Is it? Yep, 562. Man, there's a couple people. There's a lot of people right in that 550 there's a couple there's a lot of people right in that 550 plus yeah there there is a lot of people right in that that ballpark yep um biggest bench you is me 441 biggest deadlift do you know that? In a minute. Yeah, because the caveat to this is we have a lot of people at the gym that have some really big numbers that have not ever competed, though, and we're looking at just only competition.

So that's what gets tricky on some of these. It is. Biggest competition deadlift. Would it be Ryan? Nope. That's me. 650.3. Okay. I thinkyan's attempted like a 639 or something so and there you there again you would wonder if ryan has maybe done yeah it's been so

long since i've seen you do a competition that i can't even remember now 15 biggest raw total larry that's me oh it is 1593 oh yeah yeah yeah yeah i've got a few pounds on them so all right biggest wrapped wilks is i mean the wrapped ones aren't as interesting as narrowing it down to like larry and myself so that's that's me 418 larry was really close though i think he was like 415 we were like right next to each other on the wrapped one and then all right biggest raw wilks you yeah and that's this larry was like two points behind me or something it was really close we had a lot of people that were like right at 400 you know like within 390 to 405 yeah i was looking at it was almost everyone falls in there yeah um all right favorite federation it's usap yeah easily 31 usapl meets the second uh highest is apf with nine meets so yes almost all USAPL meets out of our gym.

Meets in 2018, there was 12. 2017, there was 13. 2016, 9. 2015, 5. 2014, 1. Larry. Like they're saying competitors? People that competed.

Meets that were competed in by gym members in that year. Like unique different meets? Yeah. Really? I suppose you guys have Jake and stuff that I've done. Yeah. So what was the most? 2018 was the most?

17 was 13. 13. That's pretty good. Yeah. All right. Here's an interesting one. Largest weight change. Do you know who that would be?

Oh, boy. Because this is going off of weigh-ins, too. Yeah, this is weigh-in weights. And so between anyone's various meets that they've competed in. I would think I've got to be pretty close. Is that your final answer? Sure. Yes, it is. Thomas DeFay.

Do you know what you weighed in at your first meet? My first meet, I probably weighed in about 180 or 181. 179 in 2015. And my heaviest weigh-in was probably 223 222 so you had a change of about 42 43 pounds she has the largest change that's all it takes to get stronger just gain 40 some pounds uh most first place finishes as larry uh-huh um Favorite state to compete in besides South Dakota? Minnesota? Minnesota has four.

Just because nowhere else has three. South Dakota has 33. That's it. That's the stat of the week. That's a personal favorite of mine. That was fun to do like that the one the one i would like to know is who has posted from from their worst performance their best who's had the biggest change yeah that would be a cool that would be uh biggest change in wilks or biggest

change in total yeah both of those yeah which we i mean i think we have the yeah we have the yeah we have the data that would probably be you I would guess, maybe either you or Ryan. I would say for sure in a month, Ryan. Yeah. It's got to be right in a month. Yeah, I could. Actually, we're probably pretty close right now. It's got to be pretty close on us.

But, yeah, when he does one more meet, as long as he has even just a decent meet. Yeah, it should be. Because I think he was like 1,100. I think he was right around there on his first one. And he has a decent day. He could go 1,450. Yeah, yeah. So he'll have a 350 pounds.

Which that's the same thing for me. I think my first meat was right at 11. 11.08 or something like that. And my last one was like 1,405. Yep. So right now you two would probably be really close and if he had a good meet in this one he could probably take the most improved award away from you but you have gained more weight he's got to be pretty close well he was my other guess but it depends on what that

first meet he probably already gained yeah i think he was already getting a little bigger than i think he weighed 230 ish and his maybe heaviest weigh-in is, well, what is that weight class? 264. 264. And I think he's been right at the top end of that. Yeah, I still probably got him by 10 pounds. Most people just aren't as dedicated as I am to gaining weight for the cause. That's right.

And it's still like pretty average size in my mind. But that does show you. So you have the most weight gain and probably also the largest total gain yeah i mean it's good to say that i was really bad before yeah but i think it does show that being heavier is a big factor it is and also being 180 pounds at six foot one isn't advantageous to strength either right exactly yeah especially when you start meeting all these people that lift a lot of weights we're like oh yeah you're all like little houses like yes there's no lankiness that's not a thing all right even the guys you think are kind of tall yeah you're like oh

yep nope you're just uh kind of a short guy yeah yeah we should they should have done our average height of the gym it would be that would well if that was captured i would say i would think the average height at well above assuming guys yeah it's got to be close to six feet i think so for sure i mean we got several that are oh you know yeah i mean we got over we yeah we have six one to six five yeah that's covered pretty good so yeah there are a few shorter guys too but yeah i would think the average has got to be pretty close to six feet i think so which for power lifting is pretty tall that's usually not the best type for power lifting so that that's the set of the week

provided by the open power lifting guys excellent work on that one yeah very good that was great we're uh had talked to the open power lifting guys and we're going to work on getting a few more little short video segments out that they can share. And we, we can share on this and talked about doing it before, but sometimes when things require work, it's easier to not do them. It's easier just to talk about it and wait until the next time. So maybe you'll start seeing more of this.

Maybe right now, this talking will be in a little clip that you'll see. But thank you for putting that one together. Yes you open power we look forward to more future ones if you got any suggestions on what you certain uh power lifting stats you'd like to see in the stat of the week you could uh comment uh to either us or open power lifting about that and i'm sure someone could get on that yeah they got a team of guys over there that are good at doing stuff like that they know there's they. They know numbers and databases. Yes, they do.

Do we want to talk about big lifts? Yeah, we do have a big lift that we've got to cover. This one, I'm already calling it. I think this could be in top five for the year. And it is the first month of 2019. I do think this could be an early frontrunner for top five of the year. For top five big lift of the year. I really do think this could be an early front runner for top five big lift of the year. I really do think it could be. Because it's so out there.

Yeah. So the lifter is Mahalia underscore Michelle on Instagram. And I don't know if I'm saying that right. I'll say it again. Mahalia underscore Michelle. on instagram and i don't know if i'm saying that right i'll say again mahalia underscore michelle i don't and i don't know that that's her actually correct last name or not but that's her instagram handle and what did she do she did a bench press what was it 355 355 355 and this is she is do we have an actual age 15 years old old is what I got told. Oh, she's 15?

Yeah. That's what someone that submitted it said to me is that. Okay. Then I'm even a little, okay. I thought she was like 18, like on the verge of graduating. No, someone told, and you can fact check this and, you know, I don't know where this is at as far as truth or not, but the person that. She's definitely in high school. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a high school meet. You can tell that for sure. But she said she's 15 years old. And she benched 355. Like a nice looking bench. It is. I'll be the first to say it wasn't the longest pause in the world.

No. But it also was a very easy one. Yeah, I don't think had she paused it another half a second, it wouldn't have been a different outcome at all. Yeah, judging by how that move could pause, it had no bearing on the success of that lift no not at all that's pretty impressive yeah like that that shocks me i mean not pretty impressive that's insane it is and she's built too like yeah if she's only 15 like you got to

assume in three years well she's going to be benching 400 pounds raw before the time before she's out of high school it would be shocking if she didn't yeah you'd you'd think she's built you know she's setting herself up to be the best female bench presser ever it kind of looks like yeah i would just assume power lifter too yeah you just need time i would imagine she hasn't been power lifting for 10 years right probably only a couple at the very most so you would assume if she gets a little more time on it, she could also be the female Larry Wheels. Amanda Lawrence is going to do her best to try to secure that title. But, yeah, that's pretty crazy. That one was so good that it was the only lift that made big lifts this week.

It deserved an entire solo showcase. When you're good, you're good. So Mahala something. Yeah, and I've seen this. I think I saw it on Barstool Sports too. It's kind of a make in the rounds. So it's not a – anytime a powerlifting – Anything.

Any lift from powerlifting can make it past just powerlifters. Like you know it has. Like when Jen Thompson benched 315 in the with the high school football yeah like when when ray williams had his first like thousand pound like raw squat like those all like transcend kind of transcending just the power yeah yeah for sure pretty crazy 15 years old that's nuts it is absolutely it's embarrassing all and Absolutely. Embarrassing all. And embarrassing. What am I doing? That is the feeling.

Do we? Oh. Oh. What else do we have? Let's see if we have a best Instagram YouTube comment of the week again here. This falls in line with, if you remember last week, what our best Instagram slash YouTube comment of the week was. It was on our Masonomics versus post that week. Someone just commented, dumb.

Pretty simple and straight to the point. Yep, weren't beating around the bush with that. So this week our Masonomics versus was Mark Ripto versus Bill Belichick. And recurring theme here, also on the Massanomics podcast, is talking about James Strickland, Big Jim. And his comment on that Massanomics versus was dumb. And I didn't see it was getting likes on it. And I don't know if that's people actually agreeing with him or in on the joke.

Or people that know. Yeah, yeah. I don't know at this point. actually agreeing with him or in on the joke. Or people that know. Yeah, yeah. I don't know at this point. I have to assume it's actually probably a little of both. Yeah, we're not sure if people are laughing at us or with us. We know that James is laughing with us. Yes. Maybe.

Maybe he's just humoring us. And if anyone likes that because they think it actually is dumb, well, we're laughing at you. You can't laugh at us because we're already laughing back at you. Right. Right. We beat you. You kind of actually fell into a trap there. So that was.

So this is a little different. Last week, the person was kind of a dipshit that was probably didn't understand Masonomics. James understands Masonomics very well and was in on the joke. Yeah. But still made for a good Instagram slash YouTube comment of the week. What do we got next? Well, we are getting down there on time. Okay.

Well, then I think you know what we need to jump to? What is that? This is our fastest growing segment on the Massanomics podcast. Belt in because you're in for a ride on this. We call this underrated or overrated. If you're new to underrated or overrated, going to give you a rundown on the rules here. If you're a veteran to underrated or overrated,

you're going to be like, why is he reading these rules every week? We fucking get it already. But here they are. It's kind of complicated, so listen. Yes. These are lightning round questions. Some of them are related to pop culture, and some are mixed in with a little bit of a lifting related topics sometimes they get to be

less lifting related because there's only so many lifting related topics that exist but we got a mix here here of both but a key key point here to take away is that i asked these to tommy and he can reply with answers that are either as brief as short as he wants or as long as he wants that the ball is completely in his court on the length of the answer the question is lightning round the answer could go either way it could be very not like yeah and thank you for that explanation Tanner yeah you might have even cleared it up to me a little bit that time about the rules well I know I know it gets confusing I know we just sometimes we just jump into it and everyone's like oh what are they doing with I think sometimes even I don't have time about the rules or something. Well, I know it gets confusing. I know sometimes we just jump into it and everyone's like, oh, what are they doing with the underrated rule?

I think sometimes even I don't know what's going on. I just start talking. But now I know. Now everyone should know. But we will recap next week on the rules just to make sure. Okay. This first one, I'm going to throw it at you. You might not know what it is.

If you don't, I'll explain it and we'll – And then I'll formulate a highly highly opinionated position okay this is smurl and i'm that's spelled s-m-i-i-r-l i'm not sure if that's the right country of origin use it in a sentence smurl is on underrated or overrated this week. So it is Smurl follower counters. And this is something that has pops up on my Instagram and the Facebook ads every day, constantly. I've never seen it.

So I think it's getting targeted at me, but it's literally on my ads. It's the second thing I come to every single day is these Smurl follower counters. Do you see a lot of Instagram ads? Yeah. In the last half a year, it's really been getting to- Like in your timeline? Yes.

And it says that this is- Yeah. I know it does, but if I see one a day, that's it. Okay. No. They're getting to be more- Maybe it's related to how many followers and stuff you have too. Yeah. I think it. Okay. No, they're getting to be more. Maybe it's related to how many followers and stuff. Yeah, I think it is related.

And I think this ad is specifically related to how many followers you have because what this product is is it's a physical box that you plug into an outlet and hook up to Wi-Fi, and it's a ticking counter of how many followers you have either on Facebook or Instagram. And it's like for businesses, they put it up in their shop window or something. It's like the doomsday clock to this imaginary day that just ends. I should almost, if I just opened up my Instagram, I'm sure it would pop up as the first thing on there. Why do they call it Swirl? Is that the brand name? I don't know if it's a foreign company or why that.

I don't even know if I'm pronouncing that right. I've just been seeing it every day. Here it is. I'll show you a picture of it. So that's what the product is. Okay, okay. All right. Oh, I've already made my.

Okay, for the people that. One other thing, the price. Oh. Because I saw this so many times. I was like, okay, how much is this? And what they sell it for is that you put this up in your place of business. Customers walk in and see it, and they think, oh, I should follow them on Instagram, that they have an Instagram presence.

They have 1,009 followers. I should do it too. And it's a live ticking. As someone follows it – Is it like an actual number that turns over? Yes, it turns over. Okay, so it is a physical thing. It's not like a panel display?

No, the way I've seen it, it looks like it's actually like a clicking. Okay, that's kind of cool. Yeah. $350 for this thing. Okay, before the price, I had already made it my life. I really like the idea of someone using it as a joke. Yes. Like that's kind of cool. But if you actually use that in a serious way, like, ah, you're kind of the problem with things. Yes. And I don't doubt that somebody can come into

your business and be like, Oh, these people got 50,000 followers. I better follow them. But also like, those are the worst kind of people too. Right. That are just following you because of the seat. Like you are a bad person appealing people too. Right, right. That are just following you because of the seat. So it's like, ugh. A lot of followers. Like, you are a bad person appealing to bad people at this point. Yes. Like, if someone gifted us one, it would be really funny to hang around. Yeah.

Like, because it'd be so dumb. I mean, it could sit right here or something. Yeah. And you're watching the video, like, oh, someone just followed their page. Like, yes. Okay, yeah. I would think that'd be very funny. Yeah.

So people actually using it in the serious sense of like, a way to like have like social proof oh it's so stupid and to cost 350 and then yeah 350 bucks on top of that and they have this their ad is this one video it's a group of people sitting around their face i'm sure it's just like the cheesiest dumbest well and it's clicking over to a hundred thousand but the way that it this just like the cheesiest, dumbest thing. Well, and it's clicking over to 100,000. But the way that this video ad, the way that it rotates. So they were at 99,999. Uh-huh. So to click it to 100, all those nines have to change the near.

Click, click, click. Well, and they do it one at a time. Yeah. So first, the new one pops up. Uh-huh. And then the nine clicks around all it has to click down it goes nine eight seven it's not like a no and it gets the last one and it looks like they're losing followers yeah yeah like it looks like they had a hundred and nineteen a hundred thousand and they're just getting wiped out and it clicks down to zero where it equals uh

it really is and every every comment on the ad is always why are they celebrating because then once it once that last one clicks down to zero they all like blow kazoos and party and like everyone's pumped and excited and the comment is always why are they celebrating that they lost followers and everyone goes this is the worst ad i've ever seen before i love it i love it that's awesome so what you say underrated or overrated very overrated okay smurl follower counters sorry smurl underrated or overrated bar grip shirts specifically i suppose a7 because i don't know who else makes them um i've never worn one so either i have a hard time i can only speak from opinion

on this one um i do like the idea that if you have a shitty bench you can remedy that with sure that is nice um now though there are a number of other ways that can be done with just as simple as grabbing exercise bands putting them on a bench people make like uh the little like velcro pads you can kind of wrap around just the shoulder part um this is more than any this is probably one i just want to say it's just rated but um yeah i'll say underrated it does serve a purpose all right can't use it in uh usa pl meets i don't know if you can in other means okay underrated or overrated premium headphones i, i.e. brands like Bose, Beats, maybe even more premium that I'm not thinking of, but premium-priced headphones.

I do, okay. This technology, always with technology, there's the probably, this principle is probably more obvious in technology than anything else, and that is the principle of diminishing returns. And you also do have to understand with technology, certain brands especially, you are paying for marketing. So it's no surprise that if you do just a little bit of Googling, you'll see that Bose or – I'll use Beats actually.

Beats, they are designed nicely. They look nice. They look like something that Apple would have created. Apple knows how to make an attractive looking product. They look nice, but on actual hearing tests, sound tests, a $200 headphone will rate probably pretty comparatively to like $60 headphones from like a Sennheiser or Audio Technica, something like that.

So that kind of comes the whole thing of like, well, all right, it is a bit of a fashion piece. If you have not watched, what is the HBO documentary? I cannot think of it. There's an HBO documentary, Defiant Ones, about Dr. Dre and Jimmy, what is his name? Eat World. Mr. Eat World. I cannot think of his name.

I'm spacing out hard here. Jimmy Iovine. I cannot think of his name. I'm spacing out hard here. Jimmy Iovine. Him and Dr. Dre and how they made him. They just talk about that. It is a great documentary.

You should watch it. It's on HBO. But then one part of it they do talk about kind of like the Beats deal, making Beats headphones. Yeah, I mean their head was kind of in the right place. But they do talk about how their goal was to get their headphones on every athlete they could. Yeah, yeah. And they did really good with that. And, I mean, they have – you probably can't think of many marketing campaigns you've heard or seen for headphones besides Bose or Beats. Yep.

And Bose does have the noise-canceling ones that – have you ever actually tried on? I haven't, no. If you actually try them on, you're like, whoa, this is, like, some crazy stuff. Yeah. And, like, they're – so a lot of people probably don't even realize because most people aren't in the market for them but like Bose they're they're quiet comfort noise cancelling headphones I think they're like 320 bucks which sounds like insane but the other players like kind of in that market space are Sony Microsoft has one and someone else and all

of theirs are between like 300 and 360 bucks so they're just as expensive they're just as expensive um but noise can't it is pretty cool if you've never tried it what was the original question premium priced headphones premium priced headphones uh i would say to the right person they're completely justifiably rated so i would say underrated i think it's cool at any time people can – it's probably more of a fashion – or a style piece at this point. But any time people can appreciate something at a higher level, if that's the reason they're doing it, that's always good. All right. We'll finish with this one. It is Super Bowl week.

Underrated or overrated? NFL touchdown celebrations. Underrated because this is my whole thing with it. The NFL is a league where they play football. What is football? Football's a game. What do you do when you play games? You have fun and do stupid stuff. Like to anyone, I get it. I'm not a college football player. I'm not a pro football player. It's life. And I get it get it i'm not that guy but you're playing a game like it's everyone's lucky that we can have so much free time in our lives that we can

sit around and complain and whine about this stuff and then whether or not someone uh it's a game that it's a game that i mean let's be honest for the most part most of the fans have never played it in their life personally like at an actual official level of any kind. Yeah. So it's a game. And when I see people be like, Oh, those,

the dancing, celebrating what happened to sportsmanship? I want to be like, what happened to games? Like, Oh man, are you that person that makes everything in life more serious than it needs to be?

Like, let's not forget what this is. It's a game because we're all have that much freedom and free time that we can sit around and do nothing so yeah i want to see more that's actually my thing is i want to see more ridiculous things like and these guys are rich enough i don't know why they don't do really stupid things i get to find all the time like do you have a favorite touchdown celebration of all time at all or i don't know like randy moss i mean yeah but like but not that they've allowed him again. I do like it when it's at the end of the week.

Like, oh, these guys did this big choreographed thing. People are like, oh, it's so cringy. It's like, yeah. Also, they're playing a game. Yeah. I like when Randy Moss pretended to mock the move. That one was pretty classic. I like when T.O. for the Cowboys.

I mean, people have done this probably hundreds of times since, but he grabbed the popcorn and dumped it in his face. I've seen a lot of images of that that just kind of – it just looked cool. There is also a line between being cocky. Oh, yeah. And I'm not a huge fan of like people being really cocky. Yeah. What about the Lambo leap? Yeah.

I mean it's part of this thing there. I mean, if you're a fan, that's probably the greatest thing in the world that can happen. As far as like a person at TV at home watching, it's pretty lame. Yeah. You know, it's kind of right up there with spiking the ball. Yeah. It probably feels good if you're the guy doing it as far as everyone else. It's kind of.

Yeah. I liked when the Atlanta Falcons did the dirty bird. Yeah. Or Terrell Davis would do the Mile High Salute, which is not that exciting, but it's just kind of classic celebrations. So I do think touchdown celebrations are underrated, and I think that if anything, they should extend the period for what it can go for.

Like, okay, the new rules, touchdown celebrations have to be less than three minutes. Like, bring it to the point where I think a lot of people are probably like me. It's like NFL blitz. Well, yeah, it's like they probably complain like, oh, the NFL, no fun league. And then just next year, like, screw it.

You guys now have five minutes for your touchdown. So to the point where people are like, oh, make it end. This is way too long. Like, if they could get um this would be really cool if they could get like celebrities to come out with them for the so like you know this is there's just some celebrity waiting back there um you know like uh um yeah it would be good you know like uh little john and usher come out and uh start rel reliving Yeah from 2005 and everyone's like oh that's so cool and they let them bring out a

microphone and all that stuff. Now we're talking like that's a celebration. Now that is a celebration that you're going to a game who is this guest you're going to see? That would be some stuff I'd like to see. So underrated. Underrated. Very underrated. And that'll wrap us up for Overrated

and Underrated and that will also wrap us up for the Massonomics podcast for this week, I believe. I think so. Our important notes. Is it because we don't have enough time to go through all the reviews that we got in? That's true. We got so many reviews again, and also I haven't actually checked the reviews this week. So hopefully we'll be saving a bunch of reviews up for next week. And maybe we'll just do an episode full of reviews,

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