Massenomics Podcast - Ep.162: Westside VS the World Movie Review

Episode Date: May 13, 2019

The wait is finally over, Westside VS the World is here!  Find out our expert takes on the new film from Michael Fahey.  We also talk a bit about some questionable lifts that have been passed recently.

Welcome to Massanomics, the world's strongest podcast. Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at Massanomics. Make sure you go visit massanomics.com. There you'll find the rest of our powerful content. While you're there, check out our store and buy yourself some of that sweet Massanomics gear. Welcome, Massanomics fans, to episode 162 of the massanomics podcast, the world's strongest podcast, the lifting podcast about nothing. Tommy and Tanner are here again today.

Tommy, what's happening? Oh, just ready to for another hour of audio magic. Well, life's a game and we're just a couple of playas. Play on, playas. That's what I live by right there. Good stuff. The biggest, probably the biggest thing to hit Masonomics since the Lyft shirt or having a podcast,

maybe just the biggest thing that's happened to Masonomics or having a podcast. Maybe just the biggest thing that's happened to massonomics ever happened just here today. The man that's been quoted, and I quote, I'm going to read the quote of exactly. You don't want to change people's words. No, no. Because they'll get on us for that. I want to say exactly as he said.

The man that was quoted saying, so you add $14 for a logo? LOL, nah, I'm good with the plain ones. Mr. Daniel at 03 underscore OG on Instagram has purchased a pair of lift shorts today. Now, if that's not full circle, I don't know what is. That is full circle. What't know what is that is full circle what do you think about that that's i mean just shows like we there's a little something more we're not we're more than meets the surface on these things you know there's like it's like an onion you know you

peel back these layers and we got something down there once you get through all of it and this guy discovered it it took him a while to get through the layers but so question is was this just a year-long marketing ploy of us where we took we paid this guy to like how many free pairs of shorts did we give this guy we planted uh him in there he was a double agent he was a mole uh to go in there and troll us on the price of our lift shorts just to make up this year-long elaborate are we are we smart enough to do that maybe did we do it i can't say that either maybe we did but but it is really really your your instagram post standard summed it up perfectly of uh it was a photo if you guys haven't seen this just hop on the instagram but it was a photo screenshot of his caption and then a bar that says 44 weeks later,

and it is the actual order receipt that shows. And I like that the comment says 44 weeks ago too, just to really drive that point home that, yes, 44 weeks ago, we were getting shit about this. Yeah, it took us less than a year to turn one of our largest enemies into a supporter an adversary yeah yeah that's pretty cool it is and he ordered a pair of lift shorts and the huge life shirt and and it was even okay with us spreading this message yeah i talked to him about it before

and i said i said this really is a big occasion what how do you feel about uh you know us sharing this around he said sounds great let's do it it's a big deal which it kind of is it kind of is which uh for everyone else it's like the first they've seen of it and it is a big deal but for us he had messaged us a little while back and kind of kind of apologized and said yeah yeah it's probably an overreaction on my part i was having a bad day and you know he said i appreciate uh all the stuff that you guys do for power lifting and strongman and everything and um i think at the time that he made the comment he probably didn't know that we had a podcast and maybe a little bit of following and stuff like that so it was uh probably

easier for him to throw some hate out at it and then later on he's like oh well these guys might not be so bad like they know at least a little bit about something not sure what it is but it might be something about something uh so that was pretty cool a pretty cool pretty cool thing to see yeah but it's like who do we get to buy them next if this guy's buying them like who's the next enemy of the state yeah he was the white whale i'm not aware of anyone else that's really outside of people just leaving dumb instagram comments i've seen a lot of people just flaming on the flaming on the merch lately no um a lot of people you know have hypothesized that it took them 44 weeks to save up enough to

be able to purchase the shorts that could that's probably a accurate yes yeah thank you to him though like had he not done that we wouldn't just be a regular ass pair of shorts how many less like do you think we would had he not ever done that do you think we would have sold sold half as many shorts as we have at this point? No, and they would have been talked about one-tenth as much. Like literally one-tenth as much. Yeah, we would have sold so many fewer. We wouldn't have came out with the – we've got them sitting on the table right here.

I bet we probably would have never came out with the deadlifter shorts. I don't think so. And we wouldn't have sold the amount of deadlifter shorts that we have without this thing. Just to ride off of the wave of the lift shorts. I know. Yeah, it's almost hard to wrap your head around how it all worked out. Yeah. And speaking of the lift shorts, we do have a restock coming of both the deadlifter shorts and the lift shorts.

The deadlifter shorts, we basically sold out of all of them, just about all sizes right away. So maybe by the time you're hearing this, we've got both back in stock in all sizes. But if not, very soon. Yes, yes. So be on the lookout. Deadlifter shorts specifically, because we sold out of a majority of the sizes so quick,

you probably got left hanging on that. But we just wanted to artificially spike demand. I mean, like any great capitalist does. You drive up demand by artificially reducing supply. Yes. We did decide to run a special, though, to honor O3OG behind them, that we're offering the lift shorts at a special full price. Full price offering.

Well, no one wants to feel like they got ripped off and paid a discount amount for them. Someone did ask about a discount. One discount that i finally was okay with they wondered if if they bought two if they could get them for the price of two all right we'll bend on that two for okay yeah two for two buy one buy one get one at the same price you just didn't let us finish the rest of that promotion i like like that. We should run that promotion sometime. Buy one, get one. Buy one at full price, get one at full price. I like that.

This Black Friday. Yeah. Speaking of us giving stuff away and all that, we are, let's see, probably, hopefully by about the time you're hearing this podcast come out, also we'll be starting another chance to win a pioneer belt through massonomics uh this is going to be a part of our tribute meet raffle our way of trying to give back a little bit yep so it's going to be set up on we haven't actually done this yet but uh we're going to do it soon it'll be set up on our website

where you can buy the raffle ticket uh they're going to be ten dollars a piece and the raffle puts you in the entry to be able to win i believe a fully customizable pioneer belt that matt over at pioneer will get made for you as well as a six pack of massonomic shirts as well as a massonomics lift flag and sticker packs maybe even there might even be a personalized note in there yes i would say there will be a personalized note in there and now that yeah they say you can't buy happiness but have you ever won a six pack of mass that's right so just kind of doing a little rough estimate in my head and knowing what belts cost it's probably like a 350 plus value of of winning yeah and unlike our our last uh belt give a giveaway which was entries all you had to do to enter was uh comment on the post tag people in the post here you do actually have to

pay the ten dollars because we're we're given a hundred percent of that to uh the tribute meet as what would go in the lifter's prize pool. So this one you can say if you didn't win, you can at least feel good knowing that you contributed to the prize pool at the tribute meet. More than likely, your odds for winning will be a lot better. If you purchase a ticket, you probably have a real chance. I don't think 5,000 people are going to pay $10, but if they did, that would be amazing.

I mean, we just took care of a lot of Matt's funders yes so yeah if you want to do that please yeah we wouldn't be sad if five thousand but just my best guess is it's not going to be that high so you probably will have uh for ten dollars you probably have a pretty legitimate shot at winning that belt and the and the shirts and all that so be cool. Yeah. Who can complain about that? Oh, we're giving the farm away pretty much here lately. Hopefully we'll be a business in a month even. And then to piggyback off that, we are going to have another thing we put out there that's going to help determine how much more money we give, donate to the tribute meet. Because we're going to donate 100% of those raffle proceeds, but then we're going to donate 100 of those raffle

proceeds but then we're going to run it's not a contest it's not going to cost it's not going to cost you guys or anyone anything but you will be able to be yeah influencing how much we give away there's a social media factor where depending on the response we get it will increase the amount we give so yeah you guys will have a stake in that well could we what should we say what we're going to do we kind of know generally we're going we have the general idea and i think it's kind of fun so uh we'll start to get it out now we have done upwards at this point we've done i believe over 90 massonomics versus posts i think as as of today we've put out about 90 massonomics which is a lot that is a lot if you scroll through them when you consider what's each one have four lines in it yeah that's i don't know nine times four

what's that like 500 and something yeah it's almost a thousand but it we have we're it won't be long here later this year we will hit number 100 probably got to do something special for the 100th mass it'll be the number 100 yeah versus 100 pound plate but it won't just be the number 100 it'll be that red uh the red one yeah the emoji 100 but so what we're gonna do is for every massonomics verses that will get shared by the lifter featured in the verses, within a set period of time, we're going to run the promotion over Monday and Tuesday. So it's like over a 48-hour period or 24-hour period or some defined period of time. Every lifter that's featured in the verses that shares it on their Instagram timeline in that period of time, every lifter that's featured in the verses that shares it on their Instagram timeline

in that period of time, we're going to donate $10 to the tribute meet. So if all 90 of the people would do it, we would donate $900. And really all I got to do is go in, repost, boom, done. Yes. But we have not made a versus for every one of

you that's listening out there unfortunately probably some of you out there that have let our listing do have a versus made about you but where you can all come into play is harass the people we'll put out the list of all uh 90 people that have a versus of themselves along with the directions on how this is going to work. Right, right. Because what they'll need to do is post it and tag us in the post, so that way we recognize that it's out there and know that they've done it. But where you guys can help is by maybe messaging those, you know,

if we get 100 people to message them, like, hey, you need to post this, versus they're going to, you know, this will help contribute to the donation. Plus you'll probably get a lot more likes than your normal posts. That's right. But so we could stand to have to give away $900 if everyone did it. And by then we'll have a few more versus out there even, maybe one or two more. It could be $100 somehow. Right.

But we're kind of excited about that i think it could be kind of a fun thing yeah i think it's a fun way and it's a something cool and different yeah and i'm just i'm excited to see how many we can get to do it yeah see how involved people will actually be with it yeah um there'll be some that would probably be pie in the sky to get them to repost it yeah but you never know if everyone's doing it well if they if say half thor bjornson he has one it'd be like why would he yeah he probably isn't going to but he probably follows steffi and larry wheels and um i don't know throw in like five other people that we've made them for. Kirill and Taylor Willow maybe.

If we get all of those people to share theirs, and then he sees it, and he's like, oh, everyone's commenting that I have one of those, maybe it'll influence him to post it. Yep. There's a chance. Yeah. You never know. It's very possible.

And then we can really raise the price of the lift shorts. We do have to give away a thousand dollars. Uh, man, we are going to have to do something to recoup. We're going to need that money back. Somehow can just give it away. No, we haven't gone through this whole lift short fiasco just to give all the

money away. Finally, we can give it back. Nope. Not this time all right tanner this week a big movie dropped and that movie is the long-awaited and when i say long i cannot understate that word enough the long long awaited full-length documentary west side versus the world yes and uh we made a little post it. We were lucky enough to get an advanced copy of it

so we could be on the ball with this. A screener as those in the business. In the industry. I mean, when you know people, you get screeners, which we're at that level now. Yes. So we got a screener ahead of time. We got to watch it, study it, make notes,

do some critical analysis, and now we're bringing that to you guys. I did also ask Michael Fahey, the writer, director, and producer, Michael Fahey. I asked him a few follow-up questions after watching it, too. Inside scoop, even. Hard-hitting journalism right here. We did it.

When did you watch it? Just a couple days ago? Yeah, I watched it two days ago, three days ago. Yeah, I watched it a couple days ago. So in case you just don't know, West Side vs. the World is a documentary about West Side. Started filming, what, five, six years ago? I don't even know. It seems like it's ancient.

Yeah. Supposed to release about two years ago. Ran into some legal troubles. We've covered that on the podcast before. Yeah, he had a partner that. Basically, yeah, his partner. Some really shady stuff, I believe. Stole all the Kickstarter money and was using it to sell the podcast before. Yeah, and a partner that did some really shady stuff. Basically, yeah, his partner stole all the Kickstarter money

and was using it to sell and traffic drugs. Yeah. And then by the time Michael Fahey found out, the bank account was basically drained out. That delayed the movie another year. But I think he did some screening, some other things to kind of raise some capital to get this thing out and about. It is a documentary about west side and that is

that is what it is it's not they're not talking about like their training secrets or you know how how amazing we all are and how just happy you know how fun it was training at west no it's not about it's like this is west side and this is war it's basically how i would sum it up yeah the it's about the gym and the people there like it's it's a documentary about those people and those relationships of the people there and you get like i i'm not the world's closest follower of west side or even louis so i learned a decent amount about him that i didn't know before like i didn't know much about his early life at all and so they do you know they kind of talk about, you know, he was growing up. I was getting in trouble fighting.

And then he got drafted, went to the war, came back, started lifting. And then that's kind of where this whole thing started to evolve is he got – that's how he got into the lifting part of it. Yep. Just kind of always stayed in the Columbus, Ohio area. You know, never really moved away from there. No. And just eventually started to kind of get some traction, and people just started showing up. And that's kind of where it brings you almost to –

Yeah. I mean, in a really quick version, that is sort of the West Side Story of how it happened. Right. They moved a few different gym locations over the years. They talked about that. I thought it was interesting. At one point in time, there was a commercial section of the gym commercial yeah see i didn't know that either and then i was thinking like god did i always have i always missed that does west side still have a commercial but then

it gets later on but then yes and then it made sense that yeah i'm not completely oblivious to the world here i thought it was interesting i didn't know much about matt dimmel i had maybe heard his name before yeah that one really shocked me too. He seemed like a pretty bad dude, like someone you wouldn't want to cross in a dark alley. Thought the info about him was pretty interesting. Uh-huh. And I'm not sure I've even ran, I probably have ran across his name,

but his name has never registered with me before. Right. So it was really interesting to hear his story. Even like Chuck Vogelpool, like I know he's the west side guy with the flame hat right can squat a ton and outside of that i didn't really know much about him so they did not i'm not i assume chuck declined i would interview that's what i assume too because he does not comment at all he's it's just it is interesting all the people they did

get to interview though for the a lot of people though, for a lot of people you don't necessarily directly place right next to Westside anymore. Like Mark Bell is interviewed quite a bit. Mark Bell, Ed Cohn's in there. Ed Cohn, Matt Winning. Brandon Lilly makes a little. And then some of the more recent West side guys are obviously involved there. Right.

It, it's interesting. It was interesting to me. It's almost like a story of all the people that Louie Simmons has pissed off and no longer gets along with him in life. Like no longer on speaking terms. If we're going to like go into like critical analysis of like what this thing is and your takeaways,

like I think leading up to it, there were some people that had the idea that like once this movie comes out everyone's gonna want to do multi-ply lifting yeah so do you so that's like question number one to me a lot of people said that people commented that on our instagram post like do you feel like that's a takeaway from it that it's gonna no and i don't think they've even framed the narrative of the movie in any way to even like be like oh like yep uh multi-ply is the is where the real lifting is like they don't even like try to make an argument for that they're just like this is one gym and this is how they did it and on top of that they don't even really show like there's not a ton of training footage they're showing you probably see more competition footage than training footage even yeah i can't there was hardly any training footage you actually saw no i mean not really you could go

on youtube right now and in the seconds you know you google a couple minutes of training footage you'll probably see more than there's in that entire video um so i i just did not get any takeaway that like yep this is trying to sell you on multi-ply lifting. Like, that was not a part for me at all. No, and they even make, you know, it's not Louis Simmons himself that says it. But even later, like, Mark Bell literally goes on to say, oh, those guys are cowards. He's like, multi-ply lifting isn't a thing anymore, and they won't come over to raw power lifting. And, like, Mark Bell, he's at a position where he can say whatever he wants and just not care about it. But that was his opinion, and I think some of the other guys kind of, they don't go as far to like voice it that obviously.

But you can kind of tell like they're kind of getting at like, you know, multiplies, not a lot of people doing it. Depth calls can be questionable. Lockout calls can be questionable. Like you can tell there's,'s that's kind of the general consensus on multi-ply anyway so that's that's not anything new there no no it's not come to light because of the movie or anything oh wow yeah i never never realized that sometimes maybe a little high wait a minute this whole thing does that they do they talk about it at the end too they do have like burley hawk is the main one the only one that i know the name of that they have a few raw lifters they're out of the gym now and i know burley is training

back training there now like he wasn't for a while i don't think but he is back training there like as we speak but they're i still think they're in the far majority and people really don't know who they are for the most part any of those raw guys guys. I don't think so. And then the other big one is they're just so they're not like pro recording. Right. When I say pro, I'm not talking quality. I'm like in favor of recording. Yeah. Louie talks about how he's so.

He literally says like hates phones and all that stuff. And so, yeah, if people don't know you exist, it's hard to be excited about it. Or if people can't see what's going on, especially in this world and the way people interact with the sport now, if they can't see what training looks like, people just aren't going to be that interested. It's obvious they don't care about that. It's not what they want.

Dave Hoff, it's pretty obvious he doesn't give a crap about his Instagram or anything like that. So that's fine because it's not what he cares about. But if they really wanted it to have a chance at being a thing again, that would be a requirement to significantly grow the interest in it. I think that would be a requirement. One of the things I thought was really interesting and I liked a lot is seeing the WPO days. And I've heard people talk about things like that, like yeah this was back in the wpo days and i never

completely wrapped my head around like what that means you know and just to see the competitions they had and they kind of like had an actual stage built up yeah and there was there was like tv there's sponsors like budweiser was a sponsor there was had sponsors like Budweiser was a sponsor. There was actual sponsors. I believe it was being broadcast even. Yeah, I think it was. So it was pretty cool. Yeah, it was pretty cool. This was a thing that people actually watched. Yep.

And I like that aspect of it because that kind of doesn't exist now. Outside of a live stream, that doesn't exist now. Right. So to know that that was at one point a thing, that was cool. And there was big lifts going on there. Yeah. That was like you could see that's when the world records are going down yep yep and the wpo has is it just this past year just kind of started making a comeback again yeah that's where dave hoff lifted

at that wpo whatever meet like the big one i guess that they had but i don't know can it ever be like i don't i think that's i just think those were the glory days i don't i. Can it ever be like, I don't, I think that's, I just think those were the glory days. I don't, I just have a really hard time seeing how it's ever going to come to that. Yeah. For sure. ESPN is not never getting on board. Yeah.

Michael Fahey, Fahey did make a good point that he didn't necessarily think that it's like going to cause this max X mass exodus of raw lifters converting to uh equipped but he recognized the fact equipped lifting is a very small segment of the total power lifting segment group as it is now and if if all of power lifting continues to grow it's a very stands to reason that multiply lifting could grow. Yes. It could grow bigger lifting in general, grow 10%. Right.

Well, even if multiply lifting grows 2%, it's still growing. Right. Yes. Yes. But I really don't see people, you know,

no one's going to watch it and say, screw raw. That's the, you know, people, there'll always be people that switch around back and forth and everything like that. But I, I just don't see this as the major influence to cause cause that kind of change

yeah yeah i think you're right watching it now you know you get done with it and you're definitely gonna have some opinions on things and i think it's safe to say that if you're training at west side you're wired different than everyone else in the world. You don't just be like, ah, I'm going to try this at Westside. That's not how it's ever going to work. So when you're just wired that different and then in that environment, you're going to take things to the extreme. And so you're not like everyone else.

And I think the only people that can say that, well, yeah, I think the only people that really get it are the people that are at Westside I think so I think that's true too you don't be like yeah I get it and that's the lifestyle and then not go it just doesn't like yeah that's who I am but also I'm not good like that's not how it works and so looking at it

I think it's safe to say that is it a 95% chance that if you join Westside, your ways out are you die, Louis kicks you out, or you get in a massive fight and you leave. Yeah. Like that's, I think 95% of people, like no one's like,

I did it all. It was a good run. I did it all, I'm done. And Louis is like, yeah, you were great. Yep. Like I don't think that's ever happened. No. Maybe it has, but in the documentary, I got the impression that no one leaves on good terms.

No, it pretty much seems like you leave on the terms where you and Louie are never speaking to each other again. You get in either a physical altercation or now at this point that he's older, probably more of a verbal altercation. But definitely back in the day, you got in fistfights and then someone was pissed at someone else, and you left. It does make it sound like. Or you died. The number of people that have died there. Right. It's just like, oh, yeah, so-and-so died, had a heart attack, cancer, heart attack.

Yeah. Damn. And that's the only way you get on the wall on West Side is to die. It is. We don't have that rule at Masonomics Gym. Luckily. Because we're all on the wall. Yeah.

So that was like one of my one big eye openers. The number two, and he even says this, is that he goes, I can't communicate with people. And it's obvious because that's, I mean, yeah, he's not a good communicator. You can tell just through the talking. And also like one of the guys, what was his name? One of the newer guys that pissed off a lot. Was it Jordan something? And I wasn't familiar with his name at all um he was one of the more recent guys to come up like right before dave hoff it wasn't the aj the red-haired no no not him

he was around that same time as him though oh it was uh big poppy uh greg panora greg panora yes yes follower of massonomics greg's yeah very cool so um i already forgot my point with that all right i think i was like louis communicating but he was like oh yeah like you he's like uh you know louis would try to tell people stuff and they couldn't understand what he was saying or he couldn't communicate with them and or it might have even been the guy with the red hair he's like and that's kind of where I came in as like the athlete coach where I could help communicate this to people because he's hard to understand. But he does say he's like, oh, I have a hard time communicating with people.

And I think it's like, yeah, because you guys are always getting in fights. Like everyone there has a hard time communicating with people. And you can say that about a lot of gyms, powerlifting gyms probably specifically. A lot of people aren't there because they're the most social people in the world right you know i don't think that's unusual but again there i think it's taken to the extreme where you have a lot of these people that for the most part socially are probably a little dysfunctional yeah you know a lot of the guys he's bailing out of jail and there's there's just a lot of issues going on there seems to be like that persona is more common in equipped power lifting than it is it seems like like

that's at least the uh uh stigma or the it is uh maybe it's uh maybe it's not accurate but that's certainly the the view that people have i think yep there is also in west side and to be a part of it you have to you have to be 100% on board with this, is that the only thing in life that matters is West Side. And if you're not on board with that, you're just gone immediately. And a good case of someone that took that to the extreme at the end of the movie, you're kind of like, ah, that seemed really selfish, sad, and where did that get you? Is the guy, don't even know his name now.

I can't remember. Bob Coe. Yeah, and he's like yeah he's been like the kind of the right hand man there for what 20 some years or whatever yeah and he said i had sons that were they swam in high school and college maybe even two and uh i never saw them swim a single time in my life and he starts crying it's like yeah because and he said because swim meets were on wed and Wednesday was bench, Wednesday night. Swim meets were on Wednesday night and Wednesday night was bench night.

And I don't know. Or I don't know if I have a date. I'm not a dad yet, but I would have a very hard time picturing myself 25 years in the future and my kid being like, you know, dad, it would have meant a lot for me to see you swim. And I have to look him in the eye and been like, well was bench night and like that would be a joke like you couldn't like i'm sure there's a meme of something like that somewhere right but this guy is dead serious and like man that has to be when you have to look back with some regrets yeah i would say so for sure i have a kid that's you know starting to be in events and stuff like that and i really like lifting and the gym and everything like that.

But I don't really miss any of this stuff. Like if I, you know, I just reorganize my schedule, but that's also like, that's also West side. You can't, you're not allowed to change the schedule. You lift with the crew. And that is also part of it is that the, just the schedule and just sticking to everything yeah there's so many things there that you know with the schedule to the point where it's like these guys push each other so hard that it's basically like you get hurt and if you're not lifting the day you're back from

being crippled yeah that they're basically calling you a pussy like the day you get out of the hospital and like some of the guys had the Mentality that like oh, yeah, I blew my I had a scope done on my knee And then uh the next day I went in and squatted my max and I want to be like well that just sounds dumb like I don't that just seems like it's Like people make fun of people on instagram all the time for ego lifting that seems like like ego lifting to the t like yeah Oh, i'm so tough that just to prove a point of how tough I am,

even though I just got done with the surgery, it's against all doctor's advice, probably any lifter's advice besides the three people that are egging me on. Like, I'm going to go do a max, max out. It's like taking this hardcore thing. Oh, and then I got hurt again, they talk about. It's like, yeah, who wouldn't have seen that coming? So you almost want to think like for as good as their training and methodologies were, that they could have been better if they had just been smarter about things.

Well, and they even kind of said in the case of, gosh, Flame Beanie, Chuck Vogel, that even Louie said about him that with his training they could never get him to almost like deload yeah he wouldn't back off like he would hit his biggest numbers in training because he would never bet never never back down yeah to recover a little bit I'm doing almost like a 1300 spot in training he's like I knew he had 1400 yeah but we just couldn't go to the meet and do 1200 yeah we just couldn't get him to back out or'd go to the meet and do 1,200. Yeah, we just couldn't get him to back out. It's like he did 1,200 with 260 or he did, it was like 1,200 with like 200 pounds of band tension.

Yeah. He's like, but we couldn't get him to tone it just to turn it off for the meet. And it's like, yeah, but that's the point of the sport. Right, right. To show up on meet day. Yeah, right. You know, and so there was just a lot of things like that. You just wanted to be like, ah. Yeah. But also, that's what makes Westside Westside. Right. Because if? And so there was just a lot of things like that. You just wanted to be like, ah.

Yeah. But also, that's what makes West Side West Side. Right. Because if they were like, oh, we're going to be really smart about it, well, then it's not West Side anymore. That's right. There has to be the good and the bad, both of it. You can't halfway be that hardcore.

And then – Like, it doesn't work that way. There was a few times where guys split off from the gym yeah and like one guy would get a crew they'd leave west side they'd start their own thing it'd look promising and then he'd die yeah the whole thing would disappear and it's just like it was like it was cursed like you could not once you touched it you were like it just had its hooks in you for life it seemed like yeah and they talked about a lot of the guys that kind of showed up and disappeared really fast i mean they brought up brandon lilly like yeah he made it like 10 months or something and that was it and but now at the

end so this is louis you know through the whole thing as the as the movie goes on he drives this point home more and more and more is that he just, especially now that he can't compete, he's just looking for world records. He's looking for world records. He's just looking for the next world record holder. And I can't help but think that when you watch it, my takeaway just seemed like, is Louis just incredibly selfish? Is that all it is? Because once you're done lifting, you're kind of dead to

him. You know, once you leave, you're done. They're not just like calling each other up and chatting. And he talks about like, Oh, well, if you can't get me a world record, I don't care. I'll find the next guy that can. And that was like, that's like the only driving force. And I was, I want a guy that can give me a world record. And it seemed like, well, I don't know. That was my takeaway. I don't know if I feel like he really cares about any of these people. What's the, like, if I was trying to be the devil's advocate, I don't know what I would say alternatively, like, to go against that thought that, like,

what does other motivation be besides selfish? See, that's, I just, I don't know what it is. Like, and it did seem like you were watching this film of this guy, kind of like this troubled genius. Yeah. He has this body that's – I think he even talks about it. He's like in his mind he can do this stuff, but his body just won't work with him. And you can tell it just absolutely kills him that he's unable to –

So what is he, like 70 or whatever? Yeah. He has in his mind he's still you know in his 30s and he can still take on these weights but his body is a 70 year old body that says nope not working no we got a guest here but uh you know and so he's he's moved on to just be like well if my body can't i'll get someone else's body that can and that is just it just seems like he's living through these other people's bodies but not in a way that most coaches are you know not in a healthy way yeah like my basketball coach you know we worked on my shot we all won as a team and it was great

it just seemed like it's no i want that world record and then after you break that if you say you're no good you're the horse we're taking you out back and shooting you they even bring that up oh yeah if i can't be breaking world records you know i'm like a racehorse taking you out back and shooting you. They even bring that up. Oh, yeah, if I can't be breaking world records, I'm like a racehorse taking me out back and shooting you. Yeah, they say that exact thing. So that was – it's just this whole conflict of the whole thing. And I guess my takeaway is that's West Side for you. Yeah, yeah. Dave Hoff, he comes into the picture later,

and he's in the movie quite a bit. And wouldn't you really like to see Dave lift Raw and and to see like it'd be cool to say or it'd be cool to see and he says oh i live for on training all the time but he but he says i don't train to lift squat the most i can raw i train the most i train to squat the most ever yeah which it's it's another way of looking at it right i guess but like just out of as a fan of the sport and curiosity it's like damn i really wouldn't it be great to see what he does lift raw like it wouldn't and it's like he and he doesn't post anything he doesn't there's no training videos out there so you just never know but it seems like one of those things that for him it's a

lose-lose yeah it is a lose, lose. Okay. Unless he breaks, unless he's going to go break world records and put up like a 2,500 pound total. Even then though, people are going to be like, well, okay, you're the strongest of all time, but are you're the strongest of all time multiply, but then you go into this and you, you know, you can't be in the top 10 or you can't be in the top five. Right. So it's, unless you are going to be in the top one, two or three, I think it's a lose, lose for you. And even maybe for some people, even if you're not going to be the best of all time, it's going to be in the top one, two, or three, I think it's a lose-lose for you.

And maybe for some people, even if you're not going to be the best of all time, it's going to be like, that right there is why multiply sucks. There's always going to be those people. But if he came in and did a 2,300-pound total, which is completely respectable and amazing in every sense of that, I think that's a complete loss for him. People would be all i wouldn't look at it that way but i think like the especially like the majority of people that are just halfway into power you know that have maybe never even done a meet before but they kind of follow power lifting and stuff like that they would look they would be the ones to point that finger right away

and be like oh you suck i knew multi-ply was a joke. And there's the whole argument of, oh, their whole methodology doesn't work. It doesn't carry over. It doesn't carry over to Raw. It's just a joke. I did like in the movie the talk about the bands and chains and stuff like that, about how those. That was cool, too. They did a decent amount of.

That was actually, to me, one of the better parts is where they talk about Louis trying to study these actual school workbook style textbooks. And then just how he was open to these ideas of bands, chains, the invention of the reverse hyper, working with these other teams to show them some of these ideas. That, to me, was one of the better parts of the whole thing. What they didn't talk about, and I'm sure it was probably somewhat intentionally, did they talk about drug use at all? Not one bit. Was was there ever i'm just thinking about it now did they ever even

like say the word steroids someone might have even said like oh yeah you got a bunch of guys on stuff in a room like it might have just been really quick and passing but outside of that it it just has to be like assume that if you're watching this you just get that part yeah yeah i but i'm i suppose that they well he wasn't setting out to make a movie about you know that's been made with bigger stronger faster and stuff like that so i suppose i didn't even want to go down the rabbit hole of like and you'd watch the joe rogan right there's there's so much stuff out there with yeah like you said you just you have to be if you're watching it hopefully you're aware enough to understand that yes these guys are all

on a large amount of steroids. Everything. Yes. Especially like I would assume in those earlier days, like it was like, Oh, you got it. We'll take it.

I'm curious how much Louie himself was like the, the coach on that end of it. Like if he is the one that like, you would assume that this is what you take. This is how much is the dosage. This is. And that's the other one that I was always very curious when he's like, so-and-so came to me when they were 15 years old. And I'm just thinking, okay, they definitely got on steroids at some point.

Yeah. But what point was that? Was it at 15, 16? Like, did they wait until they were 20? When did that actually happen? I'd be curious to know more. That's probably the side that people really want to be like, how is this how is this going right right i don't think that movie will ever get made though no i don't think so either but uh what's your review tanner five stars oh one star

out of five are we are we five? We'll do five stars, yeah. I am going to say that I'll give it a... In the world of fitness lifting documentaries. You don't have to compare it to the Avengers movie or anything, Tanner. In the world of fitness lifting documentary, I'm going to give it a four out of five star, I guess, is where I'll land on that. That's my short of it. That's where I'll land on that. And yeah, that's, that's my short of it.

That's where I was going to go to where I could have got to a five, probably if I was more of a geared powerlifting guy. Right. It didn't the thing. And it wasn't really filmed this way, but like when you watch some of those other, like the, the Eddie Hall,

it's like you're watching, I want to go lift. I got to go do something. Right. I never, you don't get that. I never got that feeling out of this one. And to me, it was just so much more about the relationships of the different people. To me, it was more about the relationships of the people at Westside than it was about geared powerlifting, than it was almost about powerlifting.

geared powerlifting than it was about almost about powerlifting like it was about these personalities and how they uh you know how louie's together how louie's at the center of it and it's just like all these people that are borderline nuts like getting into these how many almost crazy people can you put together in a room and then pit them all against each other they're teammates but they also want to see each other like fail get hurt die and lose i like the people that you know the like the morning crew versus the evening crew yeah how they're at the same gym and they hate each other like that was not like a friendly competition it's like they would like get enough it'd be like uh a fist fight if they run into each other that is i, that is, I'm curious how much of that was just, that's what they made the documentary look like versus that's how it was. Because my impression was almost no one there got along.

Like everyone was like, oh yeah, I'd see so-and-so's truck in the parking lot. And I just say, fuck it and turn around and leave. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man,

you lift like for this, but also you hate saying that about Chuck Vogel. Yeah. I saw his car there and I just said, nope, not doing this. And I'd leave. And just everyone hated each other there. It's really hard for us to put that in a realistic perspective, I think, because we – I think it's hard for anyone to put it in a realistic perspective.

Yeah, right, right. That's true. Like who goes to their gym as an adult and gets bullied? Who has to worry about bullying at their gym? You know, a lot of the people I'm, I'm always go back to like, what are these people's day jobs? Like, I don't think anyone really has one that don't you get the feeling like any, like they probably all had to do something to make some money. Well, yeah, but I feel bear. None of them. Their career was a priority at the time of their training at Westside, right?

That's just my assumption. I don't know how it could be. Could be wrong, but that's my assumption. I don't know how it could be unless you've climbed the corporate ladder far enough that they're like, you know what, you're a salary guy, just get your thing done. I don't think that was the case with these guys, though. I do like them talking about in their heyday when their crew would show up at a meet that everyone's like oh shit you know like god these guys are here well there goes our chances right right and

also like oh god these guys are here like damn it they're all pricks it's uh it's it's an interesting uh examination of the like the human spirit in a most extreme direction that it will probably never ever exist in and that's one of the things I talked to Michael about he's you know he

said this is really a niche look at a niche sports and stuff but he said that's that's what documentaries are like he's you don't make a documentary about a guy going to work eight to five right or you're not going to do a documentary about power lifting it's just like it doesn't really it's it's too broad it doesn't make any it's not going to be good it's not going to be entertaining you can make a documentary about strongman because there's really only seven guys that that sports are

relevant to you pick the the big three, and that's kind of the documentary, then those guys. But, yeah, that was interesting. Also, I asked him if he's going to be doing any more powerlifting projects because I don't think it's assumed that he was going to. And he said, yes, he's working on a couple different things, one being a documentary and one being some other sort of project that he didn't elaborate on but he said yes he's uh is going to continue to

work in the that's i like that and uh so this was released came out yesterday i think like the seventh we're the sitting on the eighth now as we're recording so it just came out i was curious how if he i did you know i didn't know if he has exact analytics yet and everything but if he had a feel for how it's doing how it's doing how it's going and i think it's going very well so far in the early stages and i asked if that was his expectation or if it's like exceeding what his expectation was he said well that changed a lot throughout the process i would assume yeah then he said at the beginning i was really optimistic and thought we really had something and he you know i i was pretty sure it was going to do well

and as things got went completely haywire and and everything he he started to you know second guess how well it would ever do. Well, you start to wonder, is it ever going to even happen? Right, right, exactly. He had to have that conversation with himself. Yes, and then towards the end here, he started to be like, okay, I think as things were back on track, I think he started to believe that it was going to do well. He sent me a screenshot of Amazon where it was towards the top of the list

of movies, I think. That's really cool. Like the bestseller list. Yeah, and I'm all for more things like this existing. Yeah. They're fun to watch. The sport doesn't get outside of a live stream meet or an Instagram video. The sport doesn't have a lot of videos around it.

Right. No, I'm glad he's doing it, and I'd be really curious to see what he does next, and hopefully it doesn't take as long. That would be the biggest one. Yeah. Hopefully some evil people don't get involved in the production process. I heard he's working on something with the Masonomics team.

I don't know all the details yet. How to sell a pair of shorts, maybe. Documentary. Full documentary on it. Yeah, that's where I think you can buy it in a lot of places. I know Amazon for sure. I think you can buy like a DVD or the digital download. There's a lot.

iTunes. Just type in West Side Waste the World. Like, you're going to find it. Yeah, for sure. But I would recommend people watch it. And it's a cool lot. iTunes. Just type in West Side Waste the World. You're going to find it. Yeah, for sure. But I would recommend people watch it. And it's a cool look. Yeah. Inside a place that not a lot of people have seen the inside of.

Yes. It's good stuff. So, since we've talked about West Side, squats, calls, there was kind of a hot topic this week. Like the clothing store. Just like the clothing store. A lot of black t-shirts. Odd choices in eye makeup. Because it's powerlifting, this discussion is bound to come up at least four times a year.

We're getting close to halfway through the year. It came up a few times, I think, already. But this is probably going to be the frontrun runner for, I think, the major calls. Yep. And I think what sparked this whole thing is there was a guy, Matt Mitchell. Yeah. Super underscore. Do you say that?

Cyan. Cyan. Cyan. Okay. Super underscore Cyan. You weren't a big Dragon Ball Z fan as a kid, Tanner. God, get with it. We've done a Massonomics versus about it

but that's probably the most homework that's i had to do quite a bit of wikipedia reading on dragon ball z i was obsessed with dragon ball z and um and then i got to the point where i was it would be on right after school i'd run home to watch dragon ball z because that's the only thing that matters is dragon ball z yeah and then when you get old enough that you have to go to sports after school and dRs don't exist because we're far back in time that the technology wasn't there, that meant that I just couldn't watch it after a while.

So my extent of it goes up to about the Cell Saga for the real DBZ fans out there. I've seen almost nothing from the Boo Saga on. So I got the first about half of the series, but DBZz great stuff i had like an averse opinion of anime like whenever it would be on the television i'd be like go away like i never watched more than 20 seconds of anything to even give it a chance i love that shit it's like oh anime don't care what it is. I'm watching it. I just loved it. Couldn't get enough of it.

But anyways. Super underscore Saiyan underscore Bulldog. He had a meet, SPF meet. Yep. And he broke, did you get an all-time world record? Like total record? Or is it a squat record? The squat record for sure.

And. At 900, it was the 242 squat record uh 925 pounds and it's high like there's no way around it's high uh that's number two all-time squat okay number two yeah so it's high number one you can pause the video it's oh i'm watching it right now it's certainly high you can't you can't make the argument that it's not high. No, I don't think so. Now, do I say, screw you, Matt Mitchell. You're the worst guy ever.

You suck so bad. No. And why do I say that? Because he doesn't call his depth. Right. That's not his job to call depth. This is the SPF's fault. Because it is their job as a ref to call depth correctly. And I don't care who you are.

If you read the definition, even if the definition is the kneecap has to be, or your thigh has to be parallel to the ground. Even just be generous with it. It's nowhere near there. It's not near there. And you can't, you, like, to me, the dumbest argument that I'm starting to see a lot of people say is, well, until you can squat 900, you don't know what it's like. That doesn't make sense. The judge, that's not a requirement to be a judge. it's it's not it's not a requirement at all to be a judge and some people like oh yeah well it's like why don't you put 925 on your back and see

what happens to you it's like i'll die that's not the point how is that related in what's in what sport is that the reffing criteria is that until you can perform at the pro level that you can call it right it's not it's not how it works anywhere so the rule is your leg has to be at the certain spot that's that'd be like saying all right uh the guy shot a three-pointer but his foot was about a foot over the line we're just gonna give it to him it doesn't work that way we can all see it it doesn't fall in the rules it doesn't matter if i can shoot a three at an NBA distance or not. I can read the rules, interpret them, and then interpolate that onto what's happening. I get pretty sick of that, actually. Well, it's just this dumb elitist attitude that because I'm strong,

I now have a better understanding of rules. Right. I've never been in a powerlifting gym where they're like, all right, before you get strong, you have to understand the rules. Right. That's not a rule anywhere. Right. That doesn't exist. So that's just like a gatekeeping thing of, you know, I'm looking out for my own and I'm better and I'm more elite than you. It's just it's like a low logic and argument like in the NFL. You could be a supremely talented individual. You could be the best wide receiver in the NFL, but you could be pretty clueless on the rules.

I don't think it would actually be good to have you be reffing the rules. I think I'd want someone that – I mean, a lot of the NFL refs, their daytime jobs are attorneys. I think I'd want someone that has these really critical, like objective-looking things, you know, like these skills for looking at stuff. Right. Not someone that's just like, oh, they played at a high level, so obviously they know how to ref. That's just not how any sport works.

So that's what's so frustrating about this is the squat's high. People are getting really pissed about it and pissed at this guy. And, you know, the lifters might not make a good case for themselves when they start to get combative. I mean, one, at the lifter, and then two, when the lifter starts to, like, fight back with people. It's like, well, okay, it's just, it is what it is, I guess, at this point. And this is how the SPF does it. I think the bigger thing is you got to look at, like, how are we getting to these places? And it's because, well, the criteria to start a federation is you start a federation. That's the criteria.

And that's also why powerlifting will always kind of be a joke as a sport because there is no main governing body. Everyone complains about everything to everyone. Like, oh, for example, I don't like a stiff bar. Oh, well, let's make a deadlift bar so it's easier. I don't like walking out squats. Oh, we'll do that. Oh, I'm too weak after cutting weight for two hours.

Oh, well, we'll give you 24 hours to cut weight. It's just like people don't like the rules, so they make a federation that plays to the rules they like. And it's so fragmented and fractured that it's just you can't take it that seriously. I can respect strength, but I also can't take it that seriously as a sport because of this. It is obvious that this guy is still strong. Oh, no doubt like he's stronger than i will ever be right he's stronger than almost anyone you'll ever meet yeah

but if the sport is powerlifting and to be a sport you have to have rules and if we're not adhering to these rules is it a sport right no you know like football you have four downs unless there's a penalty and then that, but that's part of the rules. In powerlifting, you have three lifts, and they have to be done to the spec of the rule book. And when we say, nah, the rule book, we're just going to kind of leave it up to whoever is in charge that day. It just makes the whole sport look dumb.

And I think you only really covered the squat. The reality was all of his lifts didn't look good. Yeah. His bench, I'm watching it now on repeat, and that is not a – like, it travels up and down, for one thing. You know, it travels down and back up in a questionable way, but it does not look like it's locked out. No, it doesn't.

Like, not at all. And then the deadlift, it just seemed like the judges were like, well, I mean, he's held it close to lockout for a while so i would give it to him that just really is how it looks yeah again i'm not blaming i'm not blaming matt mitchell at all this isn't his fault he doesn't call it it's the judge's fault and it's the federation's fault that they run a federation that allows one their judges to be this bad and then two them to make calls out like this and then let it stand too. The judges, like when they're told how to go about business,

like they almost have to be told like basically you pass it. Well, I want to know like did anyone get red lights that day? Because if they weren't giving out red lights, who were they giving them out to? And if they were, was it because they weren't going for a world record total? Yeah, is there just preference towards the guys that are doing this yeah like does a federation just like to say well you know we've had 10 guys break the world record in our federation this year so we're the superior federation i would hate to think that's how it's working yeah you never know to me it's almost more

of a red flag if that's the case it's like why what we've talked about it with the wrpf with the plates is like uh is it cause or effect that like so many of the deadlifters uh deadlift records are getting broken that you know but it's just it just kind of feels like it's muddy in the water and then you look at like the what okay so what are like the ramifications like what's the greater like what are the consequences or what what does this mean for the bigger picture well it means that someone else got edged out of the number two squad of all time you know you know someone that was in the top five is no longer in the top five anymore yep so someone is out that you would assume or you want to assume did it to a correct call um now guys that also did squats to

about that length or to about that height that didn't get them passed aren't on there, but this guy is. So that's another one. And then you get things like open powerlifting that their job is to strictly just document the results. They're not the judges. People have been bringing up that they should remove the lift from the database. But that's not what open powerlifting is. We are the internet's judges. No. They are the judges. They database. But that's not what Open Parallel Fitting is. We are the internet's judges. No, they are the...

They don't want that. They are trying to do whatever they can to document the results. Yeah. And so now, okay, well, do we just get an angry mob together every time there's a result we don't like? Is that what we're getting to? Yeah. And we just say, oh, Open Parallel, you got to take...

Like, you can see how that system would just fall apart so fast right so it puts them in a tough spot too though because people think oh you guys suck you're counting world records that shouldn't be world records yeah but no look back federation it goes back this all goes back it's really easy like it's easy to point the finger at this guy's instagram account open powerlifting's instagram account open powerlifting's website you know this guy It's easy to point your fingers at those things. It's a lot harder to point your finger at the federation because most people say, well, most people don't even know what federation it was. Okay, now we know it's the SPF.

Well, who do we talk to about the SPF? I don't know. And it ends there because that's how much people really care. But that is the real problem here. Yep. In my opinion. Yep. In my opinion. Yep. So I guess should lifters overrule favorable calls?

I don't know. Is that even? Yeah, so it's not Matt Mitchell's fault, but should Matt Mitchell say, you know, all right, you guys are all right. It was horse shit. I want mine. Even if he said that that though is do they turn it off all right do they retroactively say they're no good right yeah i don't know that is that a

thing i don't yeah i don't know and how because it's still it doesn't change the fact that in the meet the federation said it was a good lift so why is some guy coming in later and saying ah ah it's okay i'm not gonna count it yeah well according to the federation it was good so matt you mentioned uh matt is going to compete in the tribute meet i believe i thought i saw based in the flurry of instagram comments yeah that he got an invite to the uh the tribute meet yep and maybe he could if that's the case if that's the case then he's got a really great chance to prove himself he posted it and said see you there so yeah he's got a he's got an awesome chance to prove himself and be like okay yep that was all that was all the fluke deal like you know they

they call things lax i played it lax which you could say maybe that's just being a competitor yep and now if they're gonna go somewhere they where they're going to call a little tighter, he'll play it tighter and be like, see, guys, I had it all the time. And then this whole thing kind of feels like it didn't matter. To some people it wouldn't matter. It still doesn't take care of the underlying problem. But I don't know. Lifters overruling favorable call.

Like lifters being like, meh, don't count. That seems really, really dumb to me. Because now what was the point of judges? Yeah. Again, it just, it all falls back to the judges and the Federation.

Yeah. So now that we've solved that for the world, Tanner, I guess we can just quit the podcast. Oh. That's all done. That was the last thing

on our list of the podcast. But we are like an hour in, though. Oh. So we are getting down there on time. So we do have a quick podcast review that I know we got time for that.

We could go through that quick because there's just one here. It was a five out of five star review, and that's just the kind of podcast review that we like. We do. The name of the review title is just a dollar sign, and this is from Tater. And Tater, five out of five stars five stars said the shorts may be as expensive as the declaration of independence but the podcast is free so we're winning at that aspect

solid content and great greatest podcast out there to hear about nothing while drinking a crispy boy wow tater yeah good very good review you get it it, and I approve that review. That's a good one. Keep the podcast reviews coming. We need to spike that number. Because it matters, because it does. Yes, because we said so. So what else do we do or do not have time for?

We don't really have time for much else. We're at an hour pretty much right now. Well, do we have time for? We don't really have time for much else. We're at an hour pretty much right now. Well, do we have time for overrated underrated? We probably could. We could probably do that. Okay. I don't,

I really hate to miss them. Just to keep you guys in the loop here. We did have some exciting new segments planned this week, but we did not anticipate talking about West side and high squats nearly this long. so I guess they'll have to wait until next week but we do have some exciting stuff coming a revamp to a segment

would you say? segment 2.0 we also had a pretty good big lift sort of thing this week but we can save that for next week too we'll save that in there we will get to the underrated or overrated, of course. I'm going to be brief on the rules again this week.

I know it's a little unorthodox to do that two weeks in a row. We'll probably hit them with a good director's cut next week. Next week we really have to get on depth in the rules because it's just getting ridiculous to let it slide like this. It is, too lax. It's not like us at all. It's completely out of character. But the rules are, I asked Tommy a series of topics here, and he decides if they're overrated or underrated. He gets his druthers to answer as long or as short as he would like.

But at the end, it is important he does have to come up with a final answer of actually underrated or overrated to each individual topic that's the gist of it so topic one underrated or overrated space travel slash exploration i think it's pretty cool you could make an argument about well all of this money we're dumping into it and what's it all for i would also make that argument about the defense budget and however many billions it is for our global conquests. But the space travel, it's cool. I think you could say it's brought us a lot of inventions, whether we, or even just research and technology.

And it's taught us a lot about things. And, you know, if human beings aren't like learning more and looking for more and looking for the next thing like what are we doing here like i don't know that's like my opinion on these things um you are they are your druthers they are my druthers uh you know now they're talking about this whole thing of like going to mars and all this stuff do i ever want to no i don't i don't want anything to do i don't want to go on a spaceship. If someone's like, oh, you could go to space, I think I'd be like, nah, I'm good.

I'll stick with the plane plan. I've seen so many of the movies where, what's the one with George Clooney and the mom from Blindside? Oh, yeah. Stuck out there and it's quiet and terrible. Yeah, I think a Christopher Nolan one, I think. I cannot think what the hell that was.

Everyone listening right now is shouting out loud. Gravity? Was it Gravity? Yeah. It's Gravity. Yeah, Gravity. Yeah, and that was a good movie. I love watching movies about it.

I love that stuff. It's super cool. I have no desire to go there, but I'm totally cool with space, travel, and exploration. Yeah. Keep it coming. So what are you saying? Under exploration. Yeah. Keep it coming. So what are you saying? Underrated. Okay.

Keep it going. Underrated or overrated? Wrist watches. If you would have asked me, I'm really torn on this one, because if you would have asked me a few months ago, I was head of wrist watches. So overrated. You have a phone. You can look at your phone for everything. Like, your phone does everything.

What? A phone. It's amazing. It's amazing's amazing like that's how i would have felt but i've had this year a bit of a change of pace on phones because my main driver was if you have a newer iphone and you look at the screen time thing the screen time in the app where it says how much time you're spending on the phone how many times you pick up your phone, how many notifications you get a day, you start to realize that this phone isn't like a part, isn't like a thing in your life. Like it is almost your life. And I'll like, I have at least the ability to maybe step back a little bit and look at this thing. A lot of people don't have that at all. And when I started seeing like, you're spending three hours

a day on your phone, you're getting this many notifications, have that at all. And when I started seeing, like, you're spending three hours a day on your phone, you're getting this many notifications, this many interruptions, and if you just assume, like, there's research out there that says every time you get an interruption in a day, it takes you 10 minutes to get fully back on task. And if you work for yourself where your actual income depends on you doing your job correctly, not just showing up to work, like, you realize, like, wow, that's very important for me to get this in line.

And so I really started to cut back on my phone, like turning off almost all notifications, like being very conscious of how much time I'm spending. And part of that, and it briefly crossed my mind. I had a little debate with myself of, you know, if I had a wristwatch, it really cuts out my need to have my phone on me in a day. And I've, I've debated it, but I just hate the idea of having more stuff on than I need to. Like wearing a wedding ring is still like, well, that's a lot of stuff on me all of a sudden. So I'm still going to say a wristwatch is overrated, but just barely.

I do wear a wristwatch to work every day. And it does dress you up. It's weird how this little mechanical device on your wrist means fancy i'm a fan of skagen is a uh i think it's a danish brand they're very very well they're very minimalist ah minimalist is always good and i do very low pro very uh low profile very simple yep minimalist is always cool it's got that danish engineering world famous danish engineering you know it's like ikea right yeah okay last topic here today underrated or overrated mtv you're making me think here tanner and when i say think my immediate reaction is overrated i'm trying to think if i could come up with any reason for it to not be overrated.

And I'm trying really hard to think. While I do believe they have had their merits through time, at this point they are really nothing more than a reality TV show. Yeah, a reality TV station. And if you were to ask me, like, what are problems in the world, I would say one of them is people not having meaningful conversations about anything nowadays. And I believe that ties to the fact that most people watch the most mindless shit ever, and they develop no, like, critical thinking skills. Yeah.

Like, they're like, oh, yeah, that was cool. Well, because you just watch people do dumb shit all day, so now anything seems cool. So, yeah, I think MTV, they're just, I don't know. Are they doing i think mtv they're just i don't know are they doing anything besides just pumping out i really don't know i don't have cable you know i don't have television like that so i don't even like they their viewership has to in the last 10 years has to have plummeted i don't know if it has though because people love reality tv yeah so i don't like they've definitely what are their i mean is it real world and road rules they still do have some of that they still have like their teen mom shows

yeah teen mom um see i don't and i have hulu so i don't even get mtv date one where they're like on the bus they come off the bus no those are those are like early 2000s and i remember watching those as a kid and being like oh this is fun because people are so crazy like even as a kid could i think most oh, this is fun because these people are so crazy. Like, even as a kid, I think most kids could probably realize, like, yeah, these people are insane. Room raiders and all that dumb stuff. God. MTV Cribs. Yeah. MTV Cribs was pretty good.

A lot of those people, like, it wasn't their house. Oh, really? It was, like, a friend's house. And they were just, like, dressing it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That pimp my ride was kind of cool. I actually did like. Who is that?

Who was the pimp? Exhibit. Yeah. I actually, one of my, I really did like Robin Big in Fantasy Factory. Oh, yeah. Robin Big more. Like that was the original. Ridiculousness is on now, yeah.

I liked the original Robin Big. Yeah, Robin Big was just good. I loved that show actually. Because it's like, who the hell are these guys? Like I was big into skateboarding when I was younger, so I knew who they were going into it. And like, oh, yeah, they're totally just having fun, doing crazy stuff.

And Fantasy Factory took that to the extreme, to the point where it almost seemed like, ah, this is the same kind of corporate. It's almost too scripted. But Robin Big was cool. Robin Big was very, I loved that show. I think a lot of people did. Like, that was great.

And Jackassass you can't like understate the the impact that had in early 2000s shore was very it had a huge impact jersey shore sucked though like it's like and that's ridiculous and that like falls into like where this stuff all gets so shitty we're just okay i'm just watching people have arguments i can't even feel good about myself it like drains on my mental health to just watch people screaming and yelling and hating each other all day. It's correct that they don't play music videos, correct? I don't even think they do at night anymore. For a while, it used to be...

This was probably years ago. TRL was a very popular show. TRL was big, too. Carson Daly. He's made kind of a run. He hosts other shows now. The Voice or something. Yeah, I think that's right.

Now that we've talked about it all, I think MTV's just been gutted and overplayed and way overrated. Yeah, I think that's accurate. That does wrap us up for Underrated, Overrated. Very good segment. Fortunately, we couldn't get more segments to you this week, but great incentive for you to come back next week to catch up on some of these other segments that we haven't get more segments to you this week, but great incentive for you to come back next week to catch up on some of these other segments

that we haven't been able to bring you because we've had so much good information to get out every week. We have just too much to say. Yeah, there's a lot. What else do we have? Or we could just start podcasting twice a week, Tanner. Oh, I've got plenty of time for that. That should be very easy to fit into our schedule.

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