Massenomics Podcast - Ep.165: Reviewing The New Army Fitness Test

Episode Date: June 3, 2019

For the first time since 1982, the United States Army is switching its testing for physical fitness.  We discuss areas where the current test is lacking, and look at the hits and misses for the new testing.  As always, we wrap the episode up with our world famous over/under segment.

Welcome to Massanomics, the world's strongest podcast. Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at Massanomics. Make sure you go visit massanomics.com. There you'll find the rest of our powerful content. While you're there, check out our store and buy yourself some of that sweet Massanomics gear. Welcome, everyone, to episode 165 of the Massanomics Podcast, the world's strongest podcast, aka the lifting podcast about nothing. For those of you that don't know, my name's Tanner and sitting next to me is...

Mr. Tommy. Mr. Tommy. Mr. Tommy. Mr. Underscore D. Just call me Mr. D. That's right. You know what, Tanner? I had a dream last night about the podcast, which is the first time after, you know, I guess the prophecy is true.

After 165 episodes, you can start having dreams about the podcast. And it happened to me. And it was a very weird dream because we literally had nothing to say and we knew it was terrible and like sounds a lot like reality but like we were like in full-on panic mode like we knew it sucked and we knew it was bad and we just kind of like toughed it out and the whole thing was it was almost like a nightmare when I was just gonna say that's a nightmare yeah it was like I woke up and I felt like not good about things not saying i always feel amazing after i get done with the podcast but i never like have a sense of dread right and i did have a sense of dread after that so um we're a minute and 15 seconds into this and i'm feeling

pretty good right now now i'm kind of nervous though what we're gonna say there could be something out there yeah well luckily though our notes were pretty well put together this week so have you seen uh show notes this good for a while? This actually might be among our best show notes ever when I look at these. Not a sarcastic joke either here. Actually, Tanner, you put in the note for this week's topic, and I go, what do we have? Whoa, okay. What are all these words?

There's at least 10 bullet points there. That could be an hour easy. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know about something that's been heating up our race for first comment each week on YouTube? Do you know what happened this last week? Did it go down to a second? One second. Wow. And it was almost immediately after it was posted, too. And I would never believe you, but your screenshot does say posted 36 seconds ago and posted 37 seconds yeah

which is amazing yes so and it was confusing it confused me it confused james himself and it confused a few other people that wrote in so james uh the screenshot showed james strickland posted 47 seconds ago and then uh the other one sorry I forget who the other guy was. He posted 46 seconds ago. I'll see if I get to the bottom of this. And a lot of people. They do get credit for this. Yeah, we need to give credit where credit is due.

But when you first glance at that, it looks like the other person's the winner before you think about it. You're like, no, no. Yeah, yeah. One's the higher number. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because James even thought the same thing. Was it Dylan Peterson? That might be.

Because now it just says three days ago. Oh, yeah. Dylan Peterson lost by a second. So it doesn't get closer than that. Wow. It'll be exciting to see how it goes down these next few weeks. Now we know who pays for the nice internet, I guess. The fast internet.

Yes. Swim hack. Pulling it off by a second. More like first comment hack. That's right. Well, congratulations. And someone, I think Scott Dodds in the comments there, called everyone out.

He said, hey, this has like nine comments, but the video only has four likes. You guys have to hit the like button. I always do. I like it when the Instagram videos and people are like, wait a minute, the views and the likes and the comments, like the numbers don't make sense here. So, yes, remember to not only comment on the video, but like it too. I don't know. That stuff matters for something.

It's cool to see. It makes us feel good. But yeah, 24 comments and 10 likes, you know, what's really demoralizing. I don't see it on there, but getting a dislike on a YouTube video.

Do we have like any of those? Yeah. If you go to the Arnold interviews, like some of the really big ones, like who's like, Kaz has 70,000 views, right? You'll come across,

you know, like go to the Kaz one see how many down dislike uh uh okay video thumbs down i guess pop oh come on it was right up here sort by most popular and most popular video it's a tie for all of them yeah bill casmeyer 65 000 that is pretty good on that video. And I bet it's got, I mean, it'll have a ton of thumbs up. 575 likes, 28 dislikes. Still not as many as I would have guessed for basically 66,000 likes.

It's like, man, 28 people. We're so pissed off about this. It's Bill Kazmaier, and to me, it's a really cool interview. And 28 people said, I do not like this. Well, I almost think it's pointless to even like these things. So the fact that you go and dislike them seems even more pointless. Didn't Facebook used to have a dislike button? I can't even remember now what time it did. You know what?

I don't think we ever talked about this in the podcast. And I just saw this like a week ago. And I'm not sure. I haven't kept up on the news if it's a thing or if anything more has developed. Instagram is looking at removing likes from photos. So only the person that posts it can see the likes. What do you think of that, Tanner? It's thinking about removing the number.

Yep. So you can still like it. Yeah, you can remove. Yep. You can still like it. But when I go to. The only person that can see the number yep so you can still like it yeah you can remove yep you can still like it but when i go to the only person that i go to likes yeah when i go to stephy cohen's post i have no idea how many likes she has she's the only one that could see that why would they do that well there's a few things the from what i read the what they're claiming is that and they do have a point here is that social media is kind of becoming this toxic

vanity vanity metric game of and especially especially i guess in school i don't really know what that's like but yeah but i told i told it's probably terrible like kids and their kids ruin everything yeah but like all right so and so kid in high school this this guy posts and gets 500 likes and i post and get 50 and i feel down about myself so i delete my post and i think that was part of the problem is people are posting things they weren't getting good likes so then they were deleting posts and that looks bad for instagram so i think it was part of that but then the other thing i heard is that um supposedly it's a way for instagram to get more involved in the business analytics sponsorship side so that you know if, if people really want to see, and I don't know completely how they would do

it, but that just Instagram would have to be more involved, like with people would have to be sharing Instagram's analytics with advertisers. Right. And so that possibly would open the door for Instagram to get more, to get a cut out of things because right now every influencer, you know, they can just work a side deal. Right. And Instagram doesn't have to be involved at all as far as taking a cut of it but then when you think about it like way back in the day if you can remember there was websites that had website

counters yeah you could that doesn't exist anymore because people like well that looks so dumb like it's so amateurish to have account like it's like it'd be that green tick yeah like that died so long ago it's like that's not a thing anymore. But if you own the website, you have the analytics. Same thing with podcasts. No one sees our download numbers except us because we have the analytics. It's kind of like – They're so high, people would be like – Well, people can't –

Oh, my gosh. I can't even count that high. I mean, after like so many apostrophes and zeros and everything, people can't even count that. We actually have to use the times 10 to the – Yeah, the exponential thing. So, I mean, when you think about it in a lot of things like yeah kind of and maybe that makes people be more honest like they just won't like things because everyone else likes them then but it is it is a different look for the platform

to us as you know massonomics we run as a is our business i don't think it's really that important i don't i don't think it would really that important i don't i don't think it would really do much for us because i think for us like people are on board because it's they enjoy what we're doing yeah they're not there's nothing vanity about what we're doing the only thing is sometimes we look at who i would consider peers or competitors and it's just a measuring stick to be like okay i see they're putting out this kind of a post they have a following of this many thousand and this kind of engagement on it so it's like a measuring stick to be like, okay, I see they're putting out this kind of a post. They have a following of this many thousand. And it got this kind of engagement on it.

It's like, oh, we're in that ballpark or we're doing really good in comparison to that. Yeah, so it kind of acts as the measuring stick for us for what we think, like Instagram, what people might like. But, you know, at the end of the day, we kind of do our own thing anyways. It really doesn't affect what we do. It's just almost curiosity, which I guess if that goes away, it's fine. It'd be one less thing to look at and spend time thinking about. Yeah, and then at the end of the day, it all goes back to likes do not equate to dollars at all, unless, I mean, you're in the millions, and then you're at a completely different level.

Yes, we look at all these metrics for our business and our social medias and stuff but there's really only one that really matters that you know how many lift shorts is it equivalent to what is the conversion rate on lift shorts and the fact of the matter is it's not much on a lot of no but yeah that's i mean that really is we know firsthand we've had posts that have almost no likes and make us money yeah and then we have posts that have almost no likes and make us money. Yeah. And then we have posts that have tons of likes. And make us no money.

And make no money. Yeah. Which is fine because, again, we're not, it's just a thing we're doing. Right. But it goes to show that a lot of these things don't align. So a little social media update for you. That is interesting. I'm happy you brought that to us this week.

Yeah. Something for you to think about. So now that we've covered my nightmares and social media stuff and uh podcast dislikes our youtube dislikes that just about brings us to our topic of the day i suppose the matter at hand it is i'm going to bring it up here also do you want me to read off the title here? Yeah. We will be discussing, in episode 165, the new Army Combat Fitness Test that is going to replace the old Army Physical Fitness Test. Yes. So the old, or I would say even still current. And actually before we get started, we should say we are in the midst of a veteran right here. So we have someone that actually lived this life.

So instead of us being purely speculative, we actually do have inside information, and that is Mr. Tanner right here so we have someone that actually that actually lived this life yes so instead of us being purely speculative we actually do have inside information and uh that is mr tanner right here but i do think that's what will be interesting so i have some experience doing this stuff because my my thing is i want us to be able to compare to this just to does this actually make sense like is this is this does this make sense you know competing in powerlifting and strongman and the stuff we've done and following those sports and being fans of it, we kind of understand. And even just being aware of CrossFit and all this physical fitness stuff, we kind of have an understanding of what would make someone a strong

and capable person to be able to perform physical tasks, whatever the task generally might be. I feel like you have a good understanding. We've been involved in athletics of some level and a variety of things, so we know what people are kind of capable of and what things equate to in a rough way. So you not having the background in having to do these tests, I'll be curious to get your take on, you know, it's going to kind of be a comparison of the two, what the Army is doing now and what they've been doing for a long time and what it's going to switch to.

So, OK, so this is for sure getting switched, though. Yes, I had I've been hearing about it. I was going to say, even I feel like I've heard like a lot of this for years, especially if you've been in this. They were talking about this when I was still in the Army. I got out in like November of 2012. Oh, so it goes back out right away and i remember at that point in time they were talking about it then um so it's been you know over five years that it's been at least talked about it but what i saw the plan now is that it should be

implemented by 2020 the new one should replace the old one by 2020 they're starting in 2019 here selectively some units or some certain soldiers are going to start doing it and by like october 2020 it should be 100 across the board i suppose that's subject to change a little bit yeah but that's the plan sounds like it is coming yes yes okay so the old one or the one that was in existence the entire time I was in the Army, I was in for six years, has been in existence since 1982 was the best I can find. So it's been along for a very long time. And that is called the Army Physical Fitness Test, APFT is whatever. In Army, everything's an acronym. So it's the APFT.

Okay. That's what you would take on an annual basis. Everyone has to pass it. Everyone that's in the Army has to be able to pass this test. And when I say has to be able to, I don't know what I mean by that because I saw plenty of people that didn't pass it, and they still got to be in the Army. Like, I think if you're bad enough,

I do know that some people eventually got kicked out because of it but when i say has to pass it if you don't pass it you can have a chance at redemption and it can depending on all these other factors that can draw out so it's a very low loose bars right and it may make it so if you can't pass it, you're maybe not eligible for a promotion or maybe not eligible to be, I don't know if you become undeployable at a certain time if you can't pass your APFT. But what I know from experience, what happens with a lot of people is they get a waiver, a medical waiver. Like they't to get out of yeah they can't do the but they can't do it anymore because they yeah and from what i saw a lot of people that

physically weren't capable of doing it their main um injury or or their main problem was being fat and weak okay so granted some people have legitimate things probably but not as many people that yeah do that you got a profile walking profile there we go it's been a while so like the all these uh terms have to come back to me you'd get on a walking profile so you no longer have to run you're not capable of running for some reason so you're on a walking profile so So you can take out the walking. Because the two mile run is one of the big ones. Okay, let's talk about what the test is. Let's talk about what the current APFT.

And I'm learning a lot here. Because I just know I've heard guys talk about this. Yeah. But I've never really known what it consisted of. Right. So the current one, there's three events that everyone has to do um the first one is always the push-ups and you get two minutes to do as many push-ups as possible and i i would say the scoring here's the scoring of of each event there's a a max on each event is 100 points

there's three events so a perfect APFT score is 300 points. If you get a 300, you'd be considered a PT stud. Okay. Is that actually hard to do? Yeah. A 300 PT score is pretty legit, at least by what these events that they're giving you. If you can score a 300, you're at least really good at these three things. So event one is max push-ups in two minutes.

What would score you a 100? So I did write that down. It depends on your age group and your sex. Oh, so it is like weighted. Yeah, but I did the men's age group of 27 to 31 because I know that's what you would fit into. You're not far removed. I'm one one higher than that so mine's even easier the older you get they get easier and easier requirements so like i said 100 points on each one is the max a 300 would be a max

total but passing is a 60 in each you have to have 60 points in each. So you can't just have a minimum score of 180. You couldn't get 90 in one and... And then just tank it together. You have to get at least 60 of each to have a passing grade. So you can't have a lot of game theory in this thing. You got to kind of... Right, right. And so most people that are really worried about passing

don't care what the 100-point mark is. They care what the 60 point mark is they care what the 60 point mark is so we'll go over what's 100 and what's and what's 60 for each one so our group like i said is 27 to 31 year old men push-ups for 100 is 77 push-ups in two minutes and i can tell you that's pretty good if you can do 77 push-ups in two minutes i think it's a lot of push-ups all right so the strategy there what's the way to do it? Do you do like 35 or 40? Take a break?

By take a break, you can't lay on the ground. You can put your butt up in the air. Okay, I didn't know if you... Like in CrossFit where it's like, you gotta do this many in two minutes.

No, you can't get up. Oh, okay. You can't get up and stand up and shake it out. That is pretty tough then, yeah. Yeah, you have to stay down there. But you can put your butt up in the air so you got more weight on your feet and less on your hands and stuff like that. Yeah, that is tough. Yeah, I personally would never go the full two minutes. I would go until I'm burned out.

But just a little bit of strategy, what I see a lot of people do is switching between wide grip and close grip you know yeah you know putting more on your chest and giving one because you can go an extreme wide grip and just kind of make it a different motion yeah go narrow grip but i kind of did always did push-ups a little more narrow and relied on the triceps a little bit more but i was not a i was not a max uh push-ups guy i would not usually get go for a hundred uh i don't know if i ever did on push-ups honestly it's tough though yeah you get i mean i would get burned out and be i was when i was in the army doing that i had a different build than what i do right now you know so i was a little bit better built for some of these events than i would be now but i think push-ups is something i could still go and you know pass easily so passing a 60 would be 39 reps in two minutes okay so you gotta get at least 39 to pass that actually surprises me

because i don't picture a lot of people getting 39 that's without without like a break of any kind but the thing is if you're in the army you are supposed to be well yeah you're like you are i guess i wasn't i was never in the army but in the movies you just do push-ups all the time right and uh another thing you probably don't know this but uh the push-up position when you're like not doing a push-up but you're just sitting there that in the army is called the front leaning rest position oh okay so that's often where what you're forced to do as punishment is get called the front leaning rest position oh okay so that's often where what you're forced to do as punishment is get to the front leaning rest position and you're not even doing

push-ups you're just sitting there in that for a long period of time yeah but that is called the front leaning rest gotcha okay doesn't why is that i don't know okay so you do have to put up a respectable number of push-ups. Okay. So that one is already – I was expecting that one to be easier. So next one – or is there anything else to talk about push-ups? No, I would just say push-ups I liked. I never had a worry of not passing push-ups. Push-ups for lifters I think is – if you bench press, you're going to be able to knock out some –

and you don't have an absurd body weight, you're going to be able to knock out some push-ups yeah so then next on the list we have two minutes to do max number of sit-ups yes so this is you have a whoever was in front of you in the testing line they once they're done with sit-ups they go to hold your feet they hold your feet down down while you do your push-ups. And you have to. Your sit-ups. Yeah, your sit-ups. And your fingers have to stay connected behind your head the whole time.

You can't separate them. And the down, your shoulder blades have to go back to touch the ground. And when you come up, you have to. I can't remember what the mark is if you have to touch your elbows to your knees is there a front to side and uh is there a front and two side judges on this there's just one judge and the the judge is also someone in the that's in the army typically maybe higher not typically but of some significant rank usually and the big thing is who's your judge yeah because some are dicks

yeah some are really big dicks but if it's like your buddy then he's like oh anything flies over here anyone that's in the army would would know that this is this is the case too they're like well if it's your buddy it's a little bit better or if even if it's the guy that's kind of pretty chill and like not your buddy but like not a dick but then there's like you're like oh i don't want to get in that guy's line he's like the the sit-up nazi you know like he doesn't let anything so we're going shoulder blades down our elbows like touching knees or anything or like how do we i can't remember there is some i think that's maybe what it is or maybe is something to the up position. Maybe it has to be cross a vertical plane or something like that.

I really can't remember. But they are a pretty good range of motion, though, without talking like a little cheater short motion of any kind. And I think as far as resting on that, you can rest in the up position. So that's what I would do. I would say bang out 30 and then rest with your that probably is a better resting position right just locked out on push-ups yes yes definitely you can get some rest in that because you can almost get high enough that

you're almost like leaning forward but you can't if i remember right when once you go back to the ground you have to be at least making the struggle to be sitting up again yep so you're never just laying right yeah you can't do that and that makes sense yeah yeah you could act and you could do this thing where you're like yeah but inside you're really relaxed it's a grinder you could do you could do that i believe but you know there it comes down to the you could i think you could i believe do that so the standards, but there it comes down to the – you could, I believe, do that. So the standards for that test, what's 100 here? Do you have that there?

100 score would be 82 reps in two minutes. Oh, you do have it right here. Okay. 82 reps in two minutes. That one doesn't seem as bad to me. It's been a long time since I've done sit-ups, but I feel like with sitting in the up position, you could get some adequate rest in there. is quite a few like I like do you think

that sit-ups were harder for me than push-ups oh so you think that would be harder than the 77 push-ups I think I think that really depends on the person because I see you some people are like sit-up guys and some are push-up guys and you know some maybe are just really good at both but to me the sit-ups were harder than the push-ups. Okay. But I think that was part of maybe just having a little bit larger upper body. Yeah, just more body mass in general. Right, right. Whereas with a push-up, it's not as big of a deal.

But on the sit-ups, it's maybe more of an issue. Minimum is 45 to get a 60. And that doesn't seem bad at all. Not too bad. You should be able to do that. I never had the problem of not passing, I guess. But there are plenty of people out there that are in that boat. Okay.

All right. So then that brings us to the third and final event. Always the final event is the two-mile timed run. And this is also everyone's favorite event, right? This is everyone's least favorite event right this is everyone's least favorite event certainly everyone that i uh have ever known yeah uh the scoring for that for our age bracket uh perfect score 100 points 13 minutes and 18 seconds and that is a booking at two mile that is when i when i first got in uh see it doesn't actually change that much on the

100 points scale there's a big change on the bottom end on the 16 because the 100 point scale i i was in when i was like 19 or 20 or somewhere in there and 100 points was a 13 minute even two mile okay so that's only changed by 18 seconds yeah if you get 10 years older here but uh i when i was like in basic training i weighed under 200 pounds for the first time and the only other time in my life since i was in like seventh grade and i was running all the you know you run all the time and i really wanted to get the the 13 flat was a 100.2 mile score. And several times I came really close. I think my best ever was a 13.12, which was like a 97.

I think the last one I ran at basic training, I ran like a 13.12, which was a 97.2 mile. And that is really like to someone that's a marathon runner and excels at it. Or someone that's actually like a serious distance runner. Yeah, sure. It's, it's not groundbreaking, but a 13 minute, two mile is still a good,

like, yeah, that's what he's, if you see someone running, they're not sitting there like doing the lineman trot and a half minute miles. Like that's, I mean,

maybe a lot of people can get that for the first one, but the second one, you're definitely going to be slower. Yes. I couldn't even tell you i i actually don't think i've ever done a timed two two mile run in my entire life so i i have not i don't even have perspective on november october of 2012 i definitely have not since then uh but the minimum score for our age bracket would be a 17 minute two mile and i think uh either of us could go out that go out and get that today i want to say i could like eight and a half minutes per mile like that seems pretty doable i mean i could do it but i would be hurting when i got done oh yeah but like if it actually meant something yeah oh

yeah i could i could for sure make that happen because what when i was getting getting out in my at the end of my sixth year i had gotten way out of running you know like at the very beginning i was running close to that 13 minute by the end of it i was doing more like a 15 and a half and i would be hurting but you know i was starting to get heavier and stuff and it would not be fun but i know today anyone with any willpower and some like you or i i know could go out there and force ourselves to run it in 17 minutes or less it just wouldn't be that fun yeah um so that's that that's the that is what the apft is as of today okay so we're focused we're really, putting a lot of emphasis on the importance of pushups, sit-ups and a run. That is it.

And right away, like looking at that, you're like, okay, pushups, like, like we're putting emphasis on upper body strength, sit-ups,

like core strength. Yeah. Okay. I guess that's good. And like run, like, yeah, you should definitely have some level of endurance.

You can't just be a fat power lifter or like, you've got to be able to move that's advantageous in uh the armed forces i would say yeah but now if we're looking critically at this are those the best measures of physical and that's i think the big questions and also the pushes and sit-ups are both max number of reps in two minutes of something where you're getting into the, to achieve max, you're into the 70, 80, 90 repetitions number. How many people do you know that go in the gym and to test their physical strength or ability? Well, you just never get to the point where that's, I mean, they really are,

we are emphasizing more on the endurance side of things than the strength for sure. But an extreme emphasis because like who goes and like i wonder what my 80 rep max on the bench press is larry wheels does look at his right but like you know what i'm saying like i you know a 20 rep max that's where is maybe a better uh indicator even be like 10 rep max yeah it is maybe a better indicator. Even 10 rep max. It's kind of like, well, what are we doing a 10 rep max for? And here we're looking at an 80 rep. I get it.

It's not a weighted exercise. It is a body exercise thing, our body weight thing. But still, it's just numbers that are so far out there. Right. So, yeah, I guess that's you, I would say, had a pretty good synopsis of that, like anyone that would look at it and not have seen it before. So now we'll talk about what they're talking about switching it to. And this would be the alternative name.

They call it the Army Combat Fitness Test. So it would be the ACFT. So we get a new letter. Yep, a new letter. That's important. Like I said, they're starting to roll this out here in 2019 should be to everyone in 2020 and there are six events we're going from three to six okay so that already kind of makes sense seems like a more accurate gauge of your physical fitness level

yep that makes a lot more you know i feel like that's a good good for starters. So event one is the three rep max deadlift. And they do this on a trap bar. Okay, so yeah, go ahead. What's the weight then? Yeah, so I was a little confused on the new test. You know, there's all these weight, not weight, but age and sex brackets on the old test the new test it's not that way oh really it's still a 60 percent or a 60 point score is what you need on

each of these individual events and a hundred point score on each of them would be max so a 600 point would be a max uh acft but there is not the age or the sex classes in this now everyone's in the same from from what i saw someone could could maybe see different like like men and women have to score the exact same on this they have they have the same events and they're scored the same like with the same weights and everything yes oh okay yes so they really are doing the exact same test yes which to me They have the same events and they're scored the same. Like with the same weights and everything? Yes. Oh, okay. Yes. So they really are doing the exact same test.

Yes, which to me it makes sense because regardless of what age or sex someone is, if you're asking them to be a soldier and do soldiering skills. Yes. It kind of is the ultimate example of there's no white classes in the jungle. Wait, you're 32. No, you don't need to carry your injured partner away. Yeah, we don't demand as much of you. You're actually a woman. We're not going to rely on you to help your wounded fellow soldier in combat.

I'm on board with that. If you really are in war zone situations, when worse comes to worst, you want the people that can get get shit done but the one classification that they do make which this to me makes more sense too is 60 is what that's the base requirement for anyone people that are in like a high needs positions or it'd be an mos in the in the military is your occupation, what your job actually is. People that are in jobs that require a higher amount of physical preparedness have to score a 70. That makes sense, too, though. Yes, yes.

And when I read that, I just read that earlier today, and I was like, oh, I like that. Yeah. You know? Like if. So it's actually based on what you're going you're the expectation of what you're going to be doing in the in the army that's how you need to score it makes sense like it just it just makes sense like if lives are on the line yeah it makes sense yes um so the scoring of the three rep max deadlift they they're going to use a 60 pound trap, a minimum score, 60 points is 140 pounds for three reps.

Oh, so like you call the weight on the bar? Yeah. It's a three-rep max. I don't know what they say. I don't know if you get three attempts. I assume you just kind of get one attempt. So you've got to really call your weights right here. You cannot lower the weight on the bar once it's been called yeah i don't know any specific i assume most of these

people aren't looking at it from with experience of power lifting so they're not like uh clustering it with all that like weirdness they're just saying like how much you want to do okay 140 for 140 gets you a 60 which probably on board with you know if you think of like picking up a person most people especially if you say they like picking up a person most people especially if you say they have i don't have no idea what army gear weighs i imagine your flak jacket's usually at least 20 pounds i think i mean you'd almost have to assume you usually have almost 40 or 50 pounds of stuff on that's why i would assume like most people like if you say you got to pick someone up you're probably looking at closer to 200 yeah i think 200 i guess 140 you

can move things yeah that's better than being able to like a lot of jobs that say you need to be able to pick up 50 pounds i think 140 is a better one uh and then what what is the 100 point one 340 for a triple 40 like for us it seems yeah yeah but no i think it's a but if you can pick up 340 pounds three times on i mean you're probably like you're useful to have. Yeah, right, right. Okay. Yeah.

You might not be the strongest guy in the world, but you can move things like you're useful to have around. And I'm totally fine with it being a trap bar. I think that makes sense. Like it's the only, and I was thinking about that too. One thing, the accessibility, because there's, I don't know how many thousands of people are in the army and how many different locations. That means they all have to have trap bars.

It would be a good time to be in the trap bar business. Yeah, especially with the government contract for trap bars. They probably sell them for $1,000 a piece. Oh, I'm sure. That rogue luxury tax is really jumping up. Maybe we should look into making a trap bar. Masonomics trap bars. And it doesn't even have to be good. It's always going to know the difference.

But the one thing about a trap bar is at lockout, they can be very different. Yeah. And it's less stable at lockout because on a regular deadlift, when you lock it out, it's in your hands against your body. Depending on where your hands are on the grip right and i've done like max out trap bar lifts you have i've seen them there and when you lock it out it's just it's floating you know so there is this thing like you have to really brace yourself or else it can feel really really wavy but now we are talking 340 pounds at the max right we're not talking like 700 tanner right right so it is different but it's you know then the other thing it is a max to these people if they're doing it

but you know relatively it's so much less weight the yeah the but i don't know i could see i could make the case for a regular barbell but i suppose I know what they think is that a trap bar is easier to teach people. But really, I don't know if it is. I think it's like people can say that as almost just that's something that people say. But I don't know if it's true. In order to do it safely, you still need to do the same bracing. And it's not like it's like, oh, it's a trap bar. You don't have to.

Yeah. The whole thing with trap bars, too, is that you can have trap bars where the handle is at barbell height. You can also have trap bars where the handles, the way they're built, give you anywhere from three to eight extra inches. They'll have to have a standard of that. But that already can make it, if it's a trap bar, that has five inches of lift on it. Yeah, it's just easier. Most people, your torso is very upright now when you're starting that. Right.

Yeah. There's a lot of unknowns there. Like, I could pick apart a lot of that stuff because we're lifters. Yeah. But generally speaking, I think having a deadlift and a three rep max is a – Someone that shows they can pick things off the ground is helpful in a crisis scenario. And having a three rep max and not a how much can you deadlift 100 times. Yes.

Because practicality. I mean, that's what you need to know. How strong are you really? Yep. Okay, so I'm on board with the first one here. What do we got for number two? Number two is the standing power throw. And I liked this.

I'd say I like number one and I like number two. You throw a 10-pound medicine ball backward overhead for distance. So you grab just a 10-pound ball, and it would just be not a lot, it's not going to be like a super technical thing. I've done the keg tosses in competition that are exactly like this. You rear back. Yeah, it's becoming a more popular shot man. Right.

Sandbags and everything. Throw it as far as you can for distance not for height um it's a 10 pound medicine ball not that heavy uh minimum score would be four meters so about 12 feet which with a 10 pound medicine ball you could almost just drop it and it would go that far like a baseball. Yeah. 13 meters would be 40 feet about. I'm pretty sure we could both go do that right now. I'm pretty positive of that. I think so, yeah. There again, we have the, you know, lifters would have, people that lift weights are going to be better at an event like that.

But it is like more of a dynamic movement. I like that. I at an event like that. But it is more of a dynamic movement. I like that. I like having something like that. Which, yeah, you need people that... Explosive. Squat bench deadlift isn't what you need here. You need some people that can move and have some explosive power.

So, yeah, I'm cool with that one as a way to measure that. Yep. Number three is push-ups are still in it, but the change is it's a hand release push-up so that means when you go down to the ground you go all the way down to the ground and your hands have to come off so it's uh it's a lot harder yeah of a movement because that's part of the thing with with the regular push-ups is the the judging yep you know they do have a very specific standard that they

go through at the beginning of every p uh but there's just that's just always going to exist whenever you leave it up right human so here you have to go all the way down chest onto the ground and release your hands and you do as many as possible in two minutes so it's exactly the same except their hand release um but the numbers are a lot different for a minimum score of 60 you have to to get 10. That seems way too low. It's pretty low. Way too low. I suppose if women, I'm not just singling out women, but typically less upper body strength.

Statistically, they would have, yeah. Yes, and 10 hand release push-ups. I mean, as a minimum marker, I think if you can do at least 10 of those you've shown you have some upper body strength yeah you have some up you could you have some upper body strength max is 70 so the max isn't very much max is still 70 of those that's two minutes you got to be like booking to yeah like that's pretty good well yeah because in two minutes like well it's 120 seconds like you're doing one yeah like you're not even doing you because in two minutes like well it's 120 seconds like you're doing one yeah like you're not even doing you're doing one in like a second and the old

standard you could go yeah you know someone that's really good they're banging him out so fast but this uh yeah to like get the sign that you can go like you're really pumping those things out yes man that just seems like a race against the clock on that one to get that assuming like assuming you had the strength right even just get that many done. It would be – You'd have to be cooking. Time would not be on your side. Okay, so push-ups are in.

It's the military. They like their tradition. That will probably never, ever, ever go away. I like hand-release push-ups better than the old push-ups. It's probably a truer test. I like that better, I would say. Okay, number four is the sprint drag carry medley this one was pretty interesting medley i i they might not even call it a medley but that's what i call it because that's

what yeah freestyle i think i just added the medley but that's what it is and i i this is a good event this is this is a good test so it's um 55 50 meter shuttles so i think the way the course is set up it's 25 meters long so the first one you just run down 25 meters and back to the line you run down touch the line and run back okay then the second one would be what are all of them now the second one i think would be um the sled drag maybe it was so it's a 90 pound weight sled um it's just like a pretty simple weighted sled that you pull backwards so you have to run backwards and 90 pounds i suppose they they load it with two 45-pound plates, I would think. And you have to take that down and back. Then the third one, I think, is a side shuffle. You just shuffle down and shuffle back.

You know what? Just like heel clicking. And then the fourth one, there's 40-pound kettlebells, two of them. You pick them up, one in each hand. It's like a farmer's carry. It's just 40 pounds in each each hand you go down and back and then the last one i think you run one more time down and back huh so that's the i like that it's a more practical application for running with these things especially like the sled pull and that stuff like those are things

that the farmers care the kettlebell yeah to actually be carrying stuff. That, in comparison to a two-mile run, is such a better test. Because also in a two-mile run, you're dealing with 13 to 17-minute time frame. In combat or battle or anything, like, I mean, you've played Call of Duty. How often do you play? Not that Call of Duty is real life, but how often are you just like running for 15 minutes in like an urban environment where you're going through the city and maybe kicking down doors? Yeah. Like you're not jogging for 15 minutes. Yeah.

It's probably more of – I mean probably the more realistic way to think of those things is like a sprint situation where it's going to be like maybe 10 to 20 seconds of very high impact very high super high adrenaline and then yeah maybe like 20 to 30 seconds of like collecting what's going on and then 20 to 30 seconds of like yeah the next thing is definitely i'm totally talking as a guy that's seen movies and listened to things but that's just the way i always thought it was and not like and and the thing of it is, like, in training, we never did anything outside of the two-mile run where you're jogging for 15 minutes. I mean, someone else maybe has different experiences, but, like, we weren't training other things where you're like, all right, now I have to do a steady-state cardio for 15 minutes. Unless they were just making you jog. Yeah, yeah, just for PT, just for your – but, like, I'm saying training like – you know, you do a lot of practical training like hands-on simulations and that sort of thing like where you're like dealing with insurgents and stuff like that. And there was never the part where run from the enemy for 17 minutes.

Oh, exactly. Like, that's kind of my point is, like, I just don't understand the practicality. But this test, this 5x50 shuttle is a situation. Yeah. All right. We need you to sprint for 50 meters. Pick up these two fuel cans that weigh 40 pounds each. Actually delivering some supplies. Yeah, like, this person's leg is blown off.

We need you to grab them by their flak jacket and pull them here. Like those are all realistic. Yeah, that seems very applicable and a good measure. The time limits on the scoring also fit into that making sense. A perfect 100 points would be doing that in 1 minute and 40 seconds. So 1 minute and 40 seconds of balls out going like crazy is something that could happen and that i you know picture happening in real life minimum score would be three minutes and 35 seconds and without actually physically trying

it it's it's hard to even imagine that it's easy or hard but um i still there again, someone that has experienced lifting and has any sort of decent, uh, cardiovascular shape. It, I, you, we would suck. If you were, I went out and did that, we'd be sucking wind by the end of it. Probably feel like you want to puke. Yeah. Yeah. If you really went hard.

Um, but that to me, that's a fun event. Yeah. Like that's kind of like, it's just a really, it's almost like a, like a really light, strong man or like a CrossFit event like that's kind of like it's just a really it's almost like a like a really light strong man yeah or like a crossfit event really yeah yeah actually it is yeah um so that's i think that that event makes a lot of sense and then leg five uh event five is the leg tuck so what that is is imagine you're hanging from a pull-up bar but not hanging like this you're hanging with your hands close together and you're uh you know your body's going parallel with the bar yep and you have to pull your knees your legs

up almost like you're like a spy shimmying across yeah yes yes you have to pull you don't pull your legs up to hang on it but you just have to get your legs up there that high and then come back down and that's a repetition. Oh, okay. So it's kind of like a toe-to-bar. Yeah, yeah. But instead of having your – It's like a knee-tuck-to-bar. Yep, yep.

With the bar, like you're straddling the bar. Yes, yes. Instead of the way you'd usually hang from a bar to do pull-ups or toes-to-bar, you're kind of hanging the other direction with your hands. So, yeah, by the time your legs get up – by the time you get up, you are straddling the bar with your legs, basically. Yes. Yeah. And I had to try. We a couple of us tried that at the gym the other day.

I was like, gosh, that might be really hard for me. And it does take a certain level of ability. Yeah. That's for sure. And it wasn't quite as hard as I thought it would be, but it's still a it's kind of an interesting test. It says complete as many as possible in two minutes maintain a relative vertical posture while moving the hips and knees up and down without except excessive swinging or kipping so no you can't just start swinging right right uh minimum score minimum to get the 60 is one rep just being able to do it one time

that seems that seems really low to me because we're not asking for a pull-up. We're just asking you to get your leg. You could still get a little movement into it. Yeah, you could get a little kick out of your legs. Yeah, there's a difference between what they're saying here with excessive and kind of getting a little swing into it. So it just seems like everyone should be able to get one fairly easily. Max is 20.

That might be pretty hard for me. I don't know. Is there a time limit on that two minutes two minutes yeah i mean yeah you hanging for two minutes would be even that's not fun yeah yeah here that's a grip and uh okay i still see that practical application that one too though that that makes sense to me yeah and the last event which unfortunately they could not get rid of apparently because it's just like people it's just that i guess change is hard they had to include the two mile run again they changed the standard quite a bit though a minimum of 21 minutes so four minutes higher

than so it did get drastically easier yes and but the 100 is a 1245 I have marked, so the 100 is even actually higher. Yeah, raising the bar. The other thing is, this is important to consider, the two-mile before was just after sit-ups and push-ups and sit-ups. Now you'd be doing the two-mile after these five events, one of which is this medley sprint, which, like I said before, I would be gassed after this like i would not want to go run two miles yes well because but at the minimum time though so uh oh a 21 you're running

less than six miles an hour yeah like can't people walk at about i would think i would just about imagine you could power walk pretty close to 21, don't you think? I would think. That's a 10-and-a-half-minute miles. Yeah, it's a little slower than six miles per hour. Like if I was stranded out in the country and had to get two miles to, you know, I would probably do it in less than 21 minutes just because of boredom. You know, I'd just be like.

Yeah, get me out of here. I have some self-respect. My time's worth something here. But you would be really, you would be pretty tired, I think, after those. The deadlift would, I mean, for people. So what type of time are you talking about between these things? Is it just like event one's done, run to event two? They had some verbiage about that, and I didn't really look at it.

But they did have some specifications. But there is like some break time in there, though. Yeah yeah but you don't get any x they are specific i know that you don't get extra break beyond what the i don't i i really don't know they did talk they did lay that out but that is standardized yeah yeah it is standardized yes all right because that would make a big difference if i didn't know if it was like event once done and all right guys in an hour and a half we're starting event two even like the after event four going to event five after the sprint drag carry and going to the leg tuck i wouldn't want to jump on the leg tuck right away after that i'm gonna need a few minutes to like yeah i could go get that one still to get my uh

minimum 60 but if it you wanted to push that you need need a little bit of time after that yes you would yeah but the first two events you know for oh you or i wouldn't nothing on no it'd be like you didn't i mean well you there's no incentive to go over 340 pounds so we'd go deadlift 340 for actually though if they would allow it i would ask like guys can you can we do like 500? Can you do this one for me? Yeah, yeah. Put on a little demo. And the standing throw would be nuts. Oh, man, yeah. I assume you get a couple chances at that because you could just muff one or two.

Yeah, you could. You could scratch it over the line. Yeah. So that's the new test. Well, overall, I think it is a much more complete picture of who you would want someone to be in a wartime situation. I think it's a lot better. Yeah. It's not perfect, but there is a lot of things you have to consider.

A big thing is equipment. What do they actually have for these thousands of soldiers to be able to use all over the country? Well, Tanner, I heard the defense budget is not going down this year. That's true. Well, and is physical fitness, like if they're going to spend money on something, it's good as a – Yeah, it makes sense. But it probably is a pretty huge investment to get these trap bars,

the weights, the kettlebells, the sleds to – because they don't have any of that stuff right now. They got the leg tuck. There's pull-up bars everywhere. Cause that's a big thing already. Um, I do know, I don't know. There's probably Marines out there that know this and they probably laugh at the army test anyways, but I know that the Marines do include pull-ups as a part of their, with the new

one or the old one? This is the Army. Oh, just the Army. Yeah, this is the Army. The Marines have a different test. And they call it, there's some other acronym, I'm quite sure. But I do, from what I know, I think there's, they have a run. It might be even like three miles.

And I know they include pull-ups in the test. So it's a little bit different. Yeah. But that's all I know about that. Wow. But I think it's a good change. Yeah, I would say so too. And it looks like there was actually some thought that went into this one.

Yep. But yeah, I like it. Yeah. Overall, yeah, I like it. Yeah. Overall, A for effort. We'll have to get some feedback from Sergeant Anderson in the coming months or years whenever this actually goes into effect. He's gotten to do this. Oh, he has.

In training. Yeah, he said the sled drag and the 40-pound kettlebells were kind of funny because the other people there he's there doing it with, or maybe the people that were putting of funny because the people other people areas they're doing it with uh or maybe the people that were putting it on you know they're not people that lift and ryan is a guy that goes to our gym he does lift and they are saying like oh don't those 40 pound kettlebells are gonna be like that's that's a grip workout to do that and like to people that don't do that stuff this is's like, well, yeah, this guy's got kind of, this is heavier than pulling groceries in the house, I guess. Right, but like to him, that was kind of a...

Compared to a farmer's kid with a couple hundred in each hand. Yes, yeah. Doesn't quite stack up. Right. Cool. Yep. Well, Tanner, I, as well as all the listeners,

appreciate your intense research you put into all of this piece. Yes. That was very educational. It's what the people want. It's one of the services you provide. Everyone had asked me, when are you going to finally cover the physical fitness test on the Mathonomics podcast? We need the official Mathonomics take on it. Yes.

And here it is. Wow. Well, we are, believe it or not Tanner, it took almost 52 minutes for us to get through that. Holy moly. So we're almost done with this thing. Things just always take a while once you get going. So what do we have time, what do

we and do we not have time for? We have time for... Probably only have time for like one thing. Basically, yeah, pretty much. Well, is it going to be underrated,rated probably has to kind of got to be underrated it kind of has to be yeah uh i do last time we said that we split it up last episode we read the rules this week we're just going to read the q a so if you need the rules go back and listen to episode 164 because we're only or or episodes 150 through 163

there's some pretty comprehensive rules in there um overrated underrated faq question can tommy come up with his own over under topics answer it is not suggested or preferable but under special circumstances it could be petitioned to be allowed. So keep that in mind, Tommy. Yes, I will keep that in mind. It could be petitioned to the petitioning board. Question two, can the rules change? Answer, the rules are fluid. They are a living, breathing organism that can evolve with time.

And that is the Q&A. All right. That's the popular Q&A. So if anyone out there has any additional questions. Submit them. If they become popular, submitted by enough people, it could be added to this Q&A. A lot of people I do know were asking about the jury and submitting questions. So I'm glad to see that one.

It was cleared up with this. Okay. Topic one of over under. Overrated or underrated? The Rock. You're making me think on this one, Tanner. I want to say. He is rated pretty high.

That is the thing. Every person wants to be like, well, it's The Rock. He's the man. There's no way he's overrated. That's what makes him a good topic for overrated movies. Also, The Rock is, like, rated at the top of every list. Like, you can't rate him any higher than what he is. Right.

He's number one on, like, the movies that make the most money. Like, the biggest star, the highest paid star. And as we know, appropriately rated is not a choice. And it's not a choice. I'm an answer on overrated, underrated. Like, part of me wants to just be like, he's the man. He can never be overrated. But the fact that he's, I'm just repeating myself,

but he is number one on every list. So how do you get more rated than that? Also, I did see a meme the other day that was really good. And it was a picture of The Rock. And I'm totally going to butcher it because I can't remember it exactly. Dwayne. Yeah. But it was like a movie poster, and it said,

Coming this summer and every summer for the next 70 years, Dwayne The Rock Johnson is action hero guy. And I kind of want to be like, yeah. Like, yeah, we are 10 years into that. That is true. And I don't think that's going to let up anytime soon. Nope. I'm going to say I know everyone will reply to this one and say he's underrated, but they're not going to put the thought that I just put into it.

So I think I'm going to have to say he's overrated. That doesn't mean I don't like him. This is one I'd actually like to petition to the jury. underrated that doesn't mean i don't like it right this is one i'd actually like to petition to the jury like can you just like what are the rules when someone's already something's already rated as high as it can be yeah that's it's kind of a it's kind of almost a trick question yeah when i put when i thought of that one because this is a good one because if i said he's underrated well that means like he's not getting what is he getting a rate he's not getting rated high enough yeah what could he be rated better on i think overrated

is the right answer and i also like the rock yeah yeah as a rock fan i probably in this in the context you presented this question i think he's overrated yeah all right topic number two and hopefully you maybe know more about this than i do i don't know that much but it's just something i came across and i don't even know what it is yet at this point but the ps5 are you familiar at all with the ps5 playstation 5 yeah uh i did i'm not really a gamer at all i used to be when i was younger i was huge in indie games like loved it and then uh you know life started happening and you realize your time's better spent other places not to knock on video games but i just i don't really have the time to put on them um but i do like tech so i have read just a little bit about it um i don't think it's coming out for a

from what i thought might be a few years out yeah i think it's a few years out uh it sounds like the one thing people are really excited about is there's a special proprietary solid state drive that's going to load things super super fast where on the regular system something that might take 30 to 40 seconds we're now talking like one second because that's kind of my question when i see that the ps5 is coming out like at this point what are they making that's better like how is it better this is the thing needed this but this is really the bigger question because pc gaming is like where you see a lot more probably cutting edge stuff as far as hardware goes yeah and really what they're doing with these things is they're just buying pc parts and just kind of almost making a little like

uh less capable pc is what they're doing yeah i mean that's it literally is actual pc parts going into these things are the most intense gamers pc gamers uh i want to say so yeah i mean my friends well i mean you still get like a lot of but the most the upper echelon of gamers are they yes gamers yeah? Yeah. And I think, and it probably has to deal more with money too because, you know, a lot of people with a little bit of effort and discipline can swing a $200 or $300 purchase for a game system. Yeah. But like to build a PC out, whether you're going to build it or buy one, like for the most part, you're probably looking at $500 or $1,000 or more, you know, depending on how much you want to get into it. And so maybe that's why I'm seeing more of it now because you're starting to finally have friends that have some disposable income. They're not in college anymore.

So that's why I have seen a lot of my friends shift over to the PC side of things. But PS5, it's... Tanner, okay, now you're bringing me back to the whole point. It's one of the biggest gaming systems, so it's going to be super hyped up and rated. And you know what? I could just say, well, PCs to be super hyped up and rated. And you know what? I could just say, well, PCs have been doing that same thing forever. So you know what? I'm going to say PS5 is overrated.

Overrated, okay. I went through the whole range of emotions there. Okay, this next one, I think you actually mentioned this earlier in the podcast, and this is going to be a topic asking you because it's probably, you know, it's involved in your profession. So the underrated or overrated Shopify and or Squarespace, not comparing the two, but almost lumping them together as like online website builders. Yes. Like almost like a consumer for, or I don't know, what do you, what would you call it? Uh, people that are not, I would just call it, I would just call it, yeah.

Like I just, uh, kind of do it yourself. Website builder. Yeah. I think just call it, yeah, like just a kind of do-it-yourself website builder. Yeah, yeah. I think they're underrated because, and this is, I make my money. I mean, the biggest chunk of my income personally comes from building websites. Like that is how I make my money. So you might say, well,

isn't something that someone else can do it themselves? Isn't that like a direct threat to you? And for some people, for some clients, customers, yeah, it would be like the do-it-yourselfers, but actual businesses that have actual people running their business that actually depend on money getting made and deals getting made, don't have time to sit down for weeks on end and build a website. And that's where they pay someone with their expertise to do it. And it's just a tool like anything else. The tool is getting easier to use than they were one, two, five, 10 years ago.

But it is making people more aware of things and it's making things more competitive too. So I think they're underrated. We use Squarespace for massonomics. And as someone that has the skills to do things way beyond Squarespace, we've been really, really happy with it for multiple years on end.

And it's actually made our life very easy for a lot of things. You know, we could do Shopify just as easy, but, you know, they both have kind of their pros and cons. I like Squarespace because I'm even able to go in and do things. And if we weren't, you know, I couldn't do stuff. And that's why, I mean, I still even, I do Squarespace websites for customers. And the great thing about it is, Tanner, you probably wouldn't call yourself the most technical,

savvy person in the world. You definitely have more skills than a lot of people. But I think you wouldn't say, oh, yeah, I'm a computer. I'm a computer expert. Would not hang my hat on that. But the thing is, they've made a product that makes it very easy to use. If you don't know how to do something, if you take a little bit of initiative and Google it, you can learn how or find out whether it is possible and then um you know when you look at it the whole point of this is to solve business problems and it helps solve business problems so i think those

tools are incredibly underrated but even uh wouldn't you say like you as a professional can still use someone that is not a professional can go out and build the website on this oh yeah and also you could still do it and here's like someone here's the perfect analogy okay um if i wanted a new house i could pay someone a lot of money to build one yeah or you know i could go buy what a couple thousand dollars worth of tools and some wood never would get anything close to resembling a house like not at all like it would be like okay that is a pile of wood and there's some tools sitting next to it and nothing happened here and i would have wasted a lot of time and a lot of money and that's exactly what these things are is you can buy the tool it doesn't mean you know how to use it or if you use

it doesn't mean you'll use it correctly yep i mean it's it's helping it's it's the odds are you'll do better than if you didn't use the tool but um just because you have a tool doesn't mean you are a professional and maybe there's uh someone out there like building a house maybe he's a pretty decent handyman so maybe he could build a decent house or just like with this maybe someone's relatively skilled at some of this so they could make a relatively decent website. Everyone knows someone that probably is like, Oh, they take nice pictures. You know, they know how to use social media.

Well, that person would probably do better at it. Then your random aunt that likes to go on Facebook and like, she's maybe not the one making a good store for you. So the final answer is underrated okay last topic for over under overrated or underrated super mario brothers two two okay again you have to think about how where it's rated i do because if you check it look at the first three it's the most underrated it's the most hated it's lowly rated where it's rated. I do, because if you look at the first three, it's the most underrated. It's the most hated.

It's lowly rated, yeah. It's very lowly rated. I'm not up on my Mario history, but I believe, and someone will definitely know if I'm wrong when I'm saying this, but I believe it was actually made, Super Mario 2 was actually made

as a completely different game. Yes, a different character outside of Mario. And then last second, they kind of re-skinned the whole thing. I understand it the same way. I didn't research this, but I have heard that same thing before. They re-skinned it and said, no, this is Mario. That's why it's freaking turn-ups.

It doesn't make any sense. In the Mario universe, at least in that time, it doesn't really align with anything else they have going on. Did you ever play Mario 2? I did, yeah. that was uh you know when you're a kid and you just have a few friends that have a nintendo yeah that's one of the games that was around um but in comparison to mario 1 and mario 3 oh yeah it's not even especially mario 3 yeah 3 was some next level it was really good mario 1 is pretty fun though too it is it's just the whole thing is mario 2 is

i mean birdo birdo the thing with the big suck hole on its face it's the egg out of his face it's such a dumb you can jump on the egg and pick it up and throw it back out of character uh had like a it's like a dragon with like a boat it's like a dragon with a giant hole and a bow tie in its head so stupid. There's just so much outside of all the other ones. It's such an anomaly. I think a lot of kids nowadays probably haven't really been exposed to Mario too much.

And they would probably think like what the hell is this? So that makes me want to say that it's underrated because people don't know what the whole gamut that we've had to span to get to where we are now. I'll say underrated. Underrated.

I'm happy with those answers. As always, these will pop up on our Instagram. The most wrong I was on any last week was the magazines one. Well, no. They said. Oh, yes. Because you said. I said magazines were underrated. it's good that people get off

their phones and read something and everyone's like very widely overrated i like michael michael fahey said had a really funny comment he said uh uh magazines are cool because you uh this thing shows up in the mail and for like the first few minutes you're really excited about it then you remember that it's it's literal garbage yeah that you paid to have delivered to your house which is the way how he said it's it's literally garbage you know giving it no credit whatsoever which is pretty extreme but when i read that when he said that it just it is a funny way yeah yeah but that was the other ones i was pretty close on that one i was really wrong i should say cupcakes were uh when i looked that was about 50 okay i think it was slightly underrated which i'm like no i don't agree with that i don't think you can be underrated and have multiple tv shows about you timed rest intervals was like an exact 50 50

that kind of surprised me a little bit yeah Yeah, me too. And then what was the first one? I can't remember. I'm going to. If only it was still in your story, Tanner. It is. We got to check. It's not important for anything, but I just want to know. Well, yes, it's absolutely the most important. Ah, rain.

What? Rain. Oh, rain energy, yeah. And that one was overrated. They did overrated. Yeah. Yes. what rain oh rain energy yeah yeah and that one was overrated and overrated yeah yes people people know uh uh know when the originals are showing up so we get to see how this week's plays out i think that's a pretty fun thing to be doing now i like checking that out uh that wraps us up for this

episode but the most important thing that we didn't even discuss is what are you wearing there exactly the brand new hot off the press jefferson deadlift tee if you're watching the video i'm really showing it off right now yeah um tanner has one too so we both approve uh the reviews are in people love it we just started shipping them first uh first shipments went out today so they're starting to you'll see them surfacing all across the globe yep and we do have some we do have some exciting little plans for this thing too we do we have some good marketing stuff so be on the lookout i mean most importantly you should buy one yes and do some jefferson deadlifts in it let people know you only support proper deadlifts no cheating allowed

no cheating let the world know you are not a cheater. There's no other way of doing it. Until you do one, you are a cheater. But, yeah, go out and buy one. Yeah, and shorts, deadlifter and lift shorts are both fully stocked in all sizes. And basically that gets us to a pretty good spot now where we just about have everything in stock. So if you want something, buy it right now. That's a good chance by the time you hear this, that's probably already changed. Yeah, that's probably not true now. Probably out of several.

That's just, that's just how it goes. Now. It's always like, Oh, I think we're pretty good on things. And I was like, Oh no, wait,

we're out of stock. That lasted for a couple of days. But as of, as we sit here, we're pretty good. So there's your warning. Check out everything else in the store. Leave us reviews on Apple podcasts.

I'd like to see a few more reviews in there so we can read them, kill some downtime in our airing of our next episode. So my nightmare doesn't come true and we have nothing to talk about and turn into failures. We can always have those podcast reviews in our back pocket then if you guys would leave some. Like us on YouTube,

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