Massenomics Podcast - Ep.172: Does Squatting To Depth Matter?

Episode Date: July 22, 2019

Does everyone need to squat to legal powerlifting depth, even if they don't powerlift?  And to tag on to that, does everyone that lifts need to deadlift? We answer these hard hitting controversial questions... and our usual nonsensical questions in this episode.

Welcome to Massanomics, the world's strongest podcast. Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at Massanomics. Make sure you go visit massanomics.com. There you'll find the rest of our powerful content. While you're there, check out our store and buy yourself some of that sweet Massanomics gear. Welcome, everyone, to episode 172 of the massonomics podcast the world's strongest podcast the lifting podcast about nothing your same two hosts again are are here but you might notice something different if you're watching living the high life you could say maybe even if you're listening you can hear the difference

like we sound richer yeah yes yes we sound richer we sold that second pair of lift shorts um but yeah for those of you watching you know what we're talking about already yeah if you uh if you're a listener okay it might not make as much sense but uh especially those guys leaving the first comment this week they're gonna be in for a little bit of a shock because this is a very different setup for us it might actually throw them off on first comment because they're gonna go to they're gonna go to type first and be like oh what's going on here yeah it's a psych out yeah i just didn't see it good a basketball psych out yeah exactly but yeah we are lounging here in these chairs uh we got these uh like gray velvet chairs yeah we even switched out the backdrop behind us there's we've got the don't

curl and me flag up now instead of the lift flag uh which is like major renovations around these parts yeah so it does feel weird not having a table directly in front of us like we always have it's going to be really interesting to see what we do with our hands because normally there's always the you can kind of just rest them on the table and chill or whatever. But now, even leg, I just saw my leg now pops up in here. So that will be interesting too. I don't have to worry about that because sitting like this. Is just not quite an option given your current abilities. Even without it, it's just not a thing.

This is not comfortable for me. I've noticed, okay. Or even the extreme. When I see men, I see like, I'm at an airport and I see men sitting like this and I'm like, how? And what Tanner's doing, he's doing the thing that typically like when they say ladies have to sit down and cross their legs. Yeah. Like with one knee over the top of the other knee. Yeah.

I can do that. I don't do it much, but I can. Typically you see. But it's not comfortable. You probably see more guys putting like their ankle on their knee. Yeah. Um, that one, you know, and I'm jealous of guys, but this is comfortable. I never, ever do it with my left leg because naturally my left leg wants to be popped up

like this, but my right leg, oh, it'll just flop right over. It's no problem. But it doesn't feel like your ankle is wanting to slide off of the, like I have to go, I have to do this to really lock it in, grab the shit and lock it down. Yeah. Yeah, I have to go, I have to do this. To really lock it in. Yeah, grab the shit and lock it down. Yeah. Yeah, I don't have that issue. For me, it's just, I don't know.

Maybe it's my dainty little hip stand. Well, you have seen men sit like this before. Yeah, like what I'm doing right now. Yeah, and I see it and then you shake,

you know, you shake the foot. You shake your off foot. And I... To just show that you're at the ultimate level of relaxation. I do not know how that's comfortable for people never will get it well maybe you need to work on your mobility you

could probably ask your physical therapist about it tanner you could probably teach you the way we're on a pretty personal basis at this time every monday monday wednesday friday for got six weeks deep at least six more to go there's more where where that came from. Yeah, yeah. I did do, I jumped rope. Did you really? Today. Did you accidentally sign up for a crossfit? Well, I was like, what is going on here? Why am I getting so sweaty?

It was the first time I've jumped rope for a while, but I still got it, I found out. That's good. A lot of double-unders? I think I could, even with my knee, I could have bust out on a couple double unders, but it wasn't advised. You're just a tad loud, I think, Tanner. But I am actually not a bad jump roper, the reason being for that jump rope for heart when I was in grade school. I don't know, did you guys do that? I didn't personally do it, but I do remember it being a thing.

And then PE in high school, jump rope was one of them. We had a pretty – You did, huh? Our PE teacher was – PE or jump rope, like a jump rope – Yeah, and we had to accomplish certain numbers in certain time limits for grades. I do not remember doing that one. Yeah. remember doing that one yeah but our we also had to do uh jumping over a box um say it's a uh like

a 20 inch box and we had to jump back and forth over it and like you had to do so many like time so it was almost like a wad even well and we had and these things were graded like so if you got 20 that was a b oh okay you know i'm making up the numbers because i don't remember yeah whatever it was we also uh softball juggling and it was graded like juggling actual soft yeah yes see we did we had juggling ones yeah but i think it was like well if you tried you got a like no wow ours that's pretty advanced yeah it's like the boot camp of it was like my worst class. Wow. You know, I was kind of a straight-A student, and occasionally I'd get a B in PE because it was degrading.

I think the unusuals I got for us was like ping pong, badminton, and then like bowling, which I don't think is that unusual in the scheme of things. We almost didn't do any of those fun. We did not do fun stuff. Wow. The best thing during the the nicer months we would like play softball sometimes that sort of thing yeah like anything softball like if they'd let you go outside you could play the you know sports or whatever weird games they had outside like that just felt like for us it was almost who is going to be the first person to do something misbehave

in such a way that we almost don't get to do it anymore who's going to do something so bad but that that is probably the one class more than any that teachers would really hold things over you that we almost don't get to do it anymore. Who's going to do something so bad that we're not going to? That is probably the one class more than any that teachers would really hold things over you like parents. Yeah, yes. Because they have the ability to give you something you really want, which is having more fun. Oh, you have a custom hat on.

Yeah, I do, but I just realized I have the sticker on, and I don't really like that. I didn't know if that was intentional or not. No, I don't do that intentionally. The thing is you leave the sticker on, then it fades, and by the time the sticker on and i don't really i don't know if that was intentional or no i don't do that intentionally the thing is you leave the sticker on then it fades by the time the sticker starts to come off then it just looks weird yeah you were definitely then that guy that left a sticker on no i'm not gonna wear that sticker get that out of there yeah i don't like that look i do have uh a retraction or correction to make from our previous episodes of the podcast two things podcast two things

actually two things i think i know i think i know one of them is one of them you'll know and we did have one person call me out on this out of all of our listeners one person maybe more noticed but only one cared enough to say anything yes and that which is great we we don't mind like not being correct no no and i did actually do this on back-to-back episodes. You did. Because by the time he told me, I think I had already done it again. You doubled down on it. Yeah, I had done it again.

For the women's USA soccer team, one of the players, I was calling her Abby Morgan. It's Alex Morgan. Yep. So that's a pretty... And I still... You could say that you did that. I know that because we talked a pretty still you could say that you did that I know that because we talked about this before I know that you did that and I still don't even know what the right one is and whether you call them the right name and I had to think about it pretty hard now to even think of what I was saying wrong uh but you had the same reaction as me when

it's like uh most people probably don't know yeah i was like well just given the fact that none of our listeners besides our one buddy we know personally the fact that he was the only one that said anything makes me think that no one probably noticed no i'm guessing that i bet there's a few people listening right now that are like i did notice that i just wasn't gonna say anything yeah we get it you think you're so cool the other uh probably even more important correction i had to make is we talked about you made your big move and i have a longer travel a longer commute to make yep i said there was uh one stoplight and one stop sign there's actually i i thought of it today on my way there's actually one more stop sign and two more stoplights there's the stoplight and

main or not on main mains the stop sign the stoplight is on second oh yeah yeah yeah there is two god yeah whoo yeah stoplight it's a real because you didn't i didn't you didn't catch that either i didn't either because in my mind that one doesn't exist yeah yeah because you rarely get stopped there yep you are right yeah without a doubt so people are there's probably quite a few people that wanted to hear that correction people probably did pick up on that one then there were stoplights to my house so it's probably good you came clean on that tan they don't call this the lifting podcast about nothing for no reason there is a definite reason and even the the lifting word in there is maybe used a little bit liberally generously could be. Could be just the podcast about nothing.

Yeah, pretty much. So I did want to get those off my chest. I just would feel bad if we went out there with that misinformation. Well, yeah, I mean, that's good that you came clean because now we can go forward with a podcast with integrity here. Integrity. Yeah, exactly. I did want to talk about something in internet culture this week tanner

and i'm not sure how much yes and i'm not sure how much of this you've been subjected to i would be shocked if you said not at all but uh area 51 memes have you caught some of these yeah i've seen a little bit about it like there's been a lot yes yes some of them are really really funny actually and you know i've done just the very smallest level of research here it sounds like it was just a person that wanted to make like a fake dumb joke page about storming area 51 this is in case maybe someone listening isn't up on social media or things at all i'll just try to quickly explain it but yeah apparently someone made a page on Facebook saying, we're going to Storm Area 51.

Certain day. Yeah, certain day, everyone's going to go. We're going to free the aliens and do all this just dumb, over-the-top stuff. And the page quickly gathered over a million people saying, yep, they're going to go. That said they're going to go show up at that time. To the point that the Air Force actually had to issue a statement saying,

like, it is a, like, I don't know if it's a misdemeanor, I can't remember, a misdemeanor or a federal offense to, like, Storm Area 51, don't do this. Yeah. And the people went on to say, the people that made the page went on to say, like, this is a joke. We're not actually doing it. But I'll be curious to see if anyone actually does follow

through with this thing some people are going to show up on that day oh yeah yeah at the very least just to say like i was there they might go to like right to the boundary line and just be like yeah we were there that day yeah but like the number of memes now showing up especially the ones regarding people having sex with aliens like those ones there was one the other day and it was uh it was like police trying to break into a very – I don't know if it was a club or a bar, and it was police trying to push in the door, and everyone's holding the door closed. And the words over the crowd were like, me having an alien orgy.

And then over the police, it said police trying to break back into Area 51. And it's just so many things like that that were just – Yeah, yeah. I couldn't get enough of it. It kept popping up, and I'm like, these are hilarious. police trying to break back into Area 51. And it's just so many things like that that were just... I couldn't get enough of it. It kept popping up and I'm like, these are hilarious. And with internet culture, everything lasts for two seconds, or in this case

two days, because already now it's Wednesday, and at this point, old faces have taken over the internet. Like as quickly as Area 51 came and became a thing point old faces have taken over the internet like yeah like as quickly as area 51 came and became a thing old faces old faces have completely replaced it at this point um and Tanner have you done you have you done one yet I didn't I actually like some people um you know linked the the app that they're using there must be more than one even oh is there

see maybe I don't know but I clicked on one and i for a split second i i thought oh maybe it'd be funny to see what i looked like and then i never i didn't go through with it i guess have you done it i have not done it and i at this point i almost i hope i'm not spoiling overrated underrated but at this point i would almost say overrated and by that grounds i don't want to do it because everyone is doing it i'm not saying i didn't have fun looking at them there were some that were really interesting and some that i'm sure if someone screenshotted it and kept it for 40 years probably surprisingly accurate yeah but at this point i am holding off i i was you know i had the thought of how could we do this for

massonomics and have a funny post and by the time i thought about that i was already thinking oh this might be a little played that if we do it they're like oh they're doing that too huh from Astonomics and have a funny post. And by the time I thought about that, I was already thinking, oh, this might be a little played that if we do it, they're like, oh, they're doing that too, huh? Yes. Yeah, I think you're right. There might be a meme there, and maybe by the time you're listening to this, we had the best meme we've ever had of our lives, and it came out.

But the best one I've seen so far, you know, it's like the jealous boyfriend one where he's walking with the girl, and he's looking over his shoulder. Well, the girl he's walking with is an alien. And and looking over a shoulder the girl walking by is an old-faced girl and i'm like that does both that sums up this week really that is a funny i actually i actually think it was on like uh adam the creator or something um jane i gotta find this really that is a funny one i i can't i can't tease you with that and then not show it. Off the top of my head, would it be funny if it was a picture of us or I don't know who it could be. And then the caption is us waiting for the price of Lyft shorts to go down. That could be something.

But people probably don't know our faces. No, right, right, right. To even have it mean anything. Yeah, it was the Adam the Creator page. I thought it was pretty dead funny and that is a to do both and very relevant and like earlier in the week there was the uh like michael scott one as an alien looking to the blinds and there was even this uh um 51 cent ah it's funny too there uh there were some good ones there so yeah i would uh recommend the uh oh tanner this one also applies to us a little bit here i saw that too that is funny

la croix story for yeah we get sent a lot of dms um we get sent very often the one where a person is running a lemon under the tap water into a glass. The Mastodonics Instagram page has probably been DM'd that upwards of 50 times. So just so you know, I have seen that. It is funny. But when someone sends it to you next week again, you'll be like, okay, thank you. Yep. That just comes with the territory, though.

And we also have not talked about LaCroix much lately. and that's probably a shame almost like kind of is you know I was thinking about cracking a cold one tonight but given all the new environment here I didn't want to we don't want to spill it on the yeah this fine velvet whatever the hell this is it's that material that you can rub one way and it looks a certain color kind of like when you mow the grass yeah creates lines from going different directions that's how these chairs are that's why you mow at like an angle one week and a different angle the next to really show you're on that next level like oh that guy must be middle class fancy exactly exactly i i did have a a little story um and it relates back to last last week we talked about the history's new channel the strongest man in history. I can't remember if this episode was up.

This next episode, episode two, wasn't out at the time. I'm not going to talk about that episode, just one part of it. They went to Paul Anderson's house. Oh. And Paul Anderson's daughter. There's a bit of a story with Masonomics and Paul Anderson already. That actually was relevant this week even yet. So let's detour to that. We'll make the first detour on this story the paul anderson thing

on youtube the kaz our kaz interview from the arnold two years ago people it's almost like we're single-handedly keeping uh paul anderson a piece of discussion alive for people to let everyone else know that paul anderson is number one yes and i don't know why like this happens but there's some anomaly there where people fall into this video and have to comment how how strong paul anderson was yeah he was the strongest and that's our video our kaz it's just an interview with kaz which was that the first time we interviewed him that was from the arnold or the second time and all the question are it wasn't even the question of who was the question who are some of the strongest people

or did he just start rambling on about it? I don't even remember anymore. I think we asked it. Yeah, there was some, you know, I don't know if it was a dead-on question. Like, it wasn't, you list me the, like, your five strongest people of all time. We were kind of just talking about it. And he brought, you know, he's talking about Shaw and Thor and Eddie Hall.

And he's just talking about these people. And that's all all it was he's just off the cuff rambling right and somehow youtube picked up on this video to show paul anderson fans somehow and i don't i still don't know how that comes up but it must be after you watch like five paul anderson videos youtube says you're gonna want to see this one yeah and it's the Kaz interview. And you have to get well into the interview. It's not like he leads with it. Like it's several minutes in. So you have to be sitting and watching and watching. And then you go, ah, they didn't talk about Paul Anderson.

And then what those, what those people do is they go right to the comments and freak out. Yeah. And it's amazing how many have actually done that. There's probably over a hundred of them. Honestly, there's probably over a hundred people. And it's always people that are incredibly pissed that Kaz is not recognizing Paul Anderson as one of the strongest men who ever lived. And these people, it's not even one of the strongest.

It is he is hands down the strongest man to ever live. And having been there in the interview, a part of the interview with Kaz, there was no was no i mean it would have been weird if you would have brought up paul anderson to tell you the honest truth especially when we're talking about the sport of yeah that's right it would at that time the sport of strongman did not exist it wasn't like the conversation was in such a way that it's like oh my god you didn't say talk about paul anderson yeah like if you're saying like some of the craziest feats of early strength yeah right that would make sense in that context but even then if you didn't bring him up it would be like well yeah you're just rattling names yeah we were just putting him on the spot this wasn't you know

yeah but it is still funny how often that comes up that and yeah if you have some time on your hands go find the interview and just read the comments because it's crazy how people feel so strongly about this still but anyways where where was the story even so back uh back onto the main freeway they were in paul anderson's house where he lived his daughter lives there now and oh on on history strongest man they went into the basement and it was like a crawl space basement robert oberst and sean eddie had to go backwards they had to turn around the door was literally like three foot tall off the ground and they had to like go in reverse and like duck and they barely could get in there

but in the basement they had some of paul anderson's old weights and he had these old deep dish 45 york plates that are like the 50s or than that. Even I don't know the exact range of the make some different ones, but Brian on there said there's only been five people in the world to there's only been five people that have done the pinch grip on these certain York deep dish 45. They're deep dish. The two of them. Yes.

With two of them and they have to be smooth side. Yeah. Face to face. So your smooth side,, so your smooth side out on both sides. And they're deep dish, so it's ultra thick. Yep, it's a much wider span. And so he and Eddie both tried it, and Eddie tried it the first time and couldn't quite get it. Shaw did it like... Which his hands are probably five inches bigger.

I mean, I think he did it with both hands, and he could have held it for a minute probably, but he had so much chalk on it just like you. Oh, yeah, yeah. And Shaw and Eddie tried it. After Shaw did it, Eddie was kind of like, oh, let me try that again, and he did get it. So apparently they're the sixth and seventh people to do that on record.

So who else is known for doing it? He didn't say. But was Paul Anderson one of them actually known for doing it? I'm not sure, No, not necessarily. This was just a Shaw thing. Yeah, yeah. And Brian is big into collecting these plates. And he said these plates are like, because they're Paul Anderson's,

this was like discovering a Mickey Mantle rookie baseball card in your basement. And I could tell he really wanted them. And I'd be surprised if he didn't try to. This wasn't on camera but i'd be shocked if by the time they left there he didn't at least try to get a couple of those from yeah paul anderson's or at least like stuff them down his shorts or something and walk out he'd be like the one person that almost could and you wouldn't notice something in your shirt no no no that's just me. I weigh 450 pounds. That's normal. He is a pretty big guy. But so these plates, really cool. Old York, really super old deep dish York, really rare.

They're not milled because it was before they even did the machining milling process on plates. So how were they made? Cast. They were. Even the milled plates, they're cast and then machined. Okay. So it's a cast, which is kind of a, if they're only cast, it's kind of a rough-looking plate. The hole has imperfections.

But then the milling is what – Then they'll do the milling, which makes it – So that's how all the plates you buy now that aren't cast, do they go through that same process? Yes. So there's no such thing as a plate that's just milled out of a solid board? It's not just like when Rogue for the deadlift. Well, yeah, like the elephant bar. Yeah, those are.

But no one's starting with an 80-pound block of metal and just milling it down to 45. No, they're casting it and then milling it to get it. Do you know, is that how they make the kilo plates too? I don't know. I'm guessing so. I don't know. i think it is and then the really the big difference with the calibrated plates is that then they have a little uh hole where they make up the difference right where they yeah yeah so that they get it yeah and that

makes sense so yeah so in that that hole could be anywhere from you know grams to whatever right right and then they use that to get it get it to yeah to perfection but the good machine plates even now they get really close anyways yep but these yorks these old york deep dish they're they're not milled because i don't think they did that yet at the at the time so then randomly this week just shortly after I watched that, a guy emails me from, we live in a town of 25,000 people. He emails me and says, hey, I've got the, he sent me a picture of them. I've got these old York plates for sale in Aberdeen. Oh, it was local.

In Aberdeen. Oh, see, I thought this was in like Minneapolis. Because typically when Tanner's shopping for equipment, it's usually coming out of someone in the Minneapolis area. Yes, that's our biggest metro. Or just outside of it, yeah. Right. And he said, I heard about your gym. I heard you might be the guy that might be interested in buying these.

And I opened that up, and I was like, all right, who's playing a freaking joke on me here? I honestly was like, someone is screwing with me. I just watched these plates on, and from the picture I could tell the 45s were deep dish. Were they like the exact ones they were? They look really like it. I know, I'm not an expert

enough on the old Yorks to know like the different, I think there's some small differences like at a certain point in time they started putting a usa on them and like these other different things but yeah they're i would say the the newest that they could be a 60s and they might be older than that you know i wouldn't be surprised if they're 50s or something but i thought it was someone was screwing with me so i emailed him back and i said so you're're in Aberdeen. That's what I said. I said, are you in Aberdeen? I couldn't, by the way he said it, it was a little confusing. I just

didn't really believe it. So I said, are you in Aberdeen? Why would you believe? Yeah, right. Right. And that, cause there's also some really old 35s with it. And then he had some 25s and 10s that looked more like our York 25s and 10s that we have, you know, the, the eighties, I would call them 80 style milled ones, but the 35s were very old that we have you know the 80s i would call them 80s style milled ones but the 35s were very old we have one 35 like that in the gym right now that are like it's like 60s or 70s era and he had four he had four of those 35s and then four of the really old deep dish 45 york really and i said oh and he emailed back and he yeah, I'm in Aberdeen. I heard about you. I was eating somewhere, and someone said this Massanomics gym was the place that would maybe want to buy these plates

because I was talking about the plates and got a hold of you. And so I said, okay, let's meet up. I really want to check these out. My heart was almost racing. I was like, oh, my God, this guy just has these in his garage in Aberdeen. And also gets ahold of me like the same week. Right. And he, and then he gives me his address and, uh, I'm like, Oh, you live like four blocks

from me. Really? Driven by this guy's house many times. Uh, so I go there. He's probably 65 ish, kind of a bigger old guy. He's got these sitting in the corner. We go pull them out, look at them all. And he's talking the whole time. He used to live. He used to lift, he used to train at the college in town here. He used to be really strong, hang out with all

these guys that are really strong and had to shake my hand and really give me really clamp oh he gave me a voice oh he gave me a overly like a pull you in uh like really wanted to really assert yeah yeah i wanted to size me up on it and everything and we're talking and i my uh mouth was watering i'm like you look in these places like son of a bitch these are all i thought you meant your mouth was watering from the handshake no i was crying no i was like oh you're crushing my fingers no but i'm so i'm digging these plates out and he's gotten tucked in the corner and he kind of makes me pull them all out and look at them and dude i just had knee surgery so that's kind of i didn't say that but and i was looking at him i was like in my mind, I knew I wanted these. And I'm thinking, yeah, this guy is going to sell me these for a great price. Yeah, for 10 cents a pound.

Well, and even in my mind, I'm thinking, well, 50 cents a pound for any plates is a good deal. I'm like, there's about 500 pounds worth of plates here. The 45s and the 35s are the, where the money's at. The other ones are, are 50 to a dollar a pound is what they're worth. And even then, if you didn't have those ones,

even. Yeah. So I'm thinking, Oh, I could probably buy these for 50 cents a pound, but I'm like, I think it'd be, you know,

be more fair of me if I offered him a dollar a pound, even a little bit more, 470 pounds, I'll offer him 500 bucks I'm like it's there's no way you could turn that down no no yeah and before we get to that so I ask him what what uh what do you what do you want for these did he say he has to call a guy that's an expert in did he know the pond stars move on thing is he already did his own expert work on ebay of course and he goes oh I want two thousand dollars over four dollars a pound

like getting to five dollars a pound yeah much more than our calibrated plates uh you had to have actually been shocked well that right yes yes i was i was what i didn't say anything like i i would you could probably saw my eyes probably went like like i would have tried to have been very nice the whole time yeah and i probably would have been like like yeah he was joking yes so i didn't get into at that point i was like well my offer is going to insult you because in my mind i'm like okay my top of the dollar would probably be two dollars a pound on these 45s and 35s and a dollar a pound on the rest and thought it out and it's like 650 bucks so it's a third of what he's asking still a third so i you know kind of told him i'll think about it and he he proceeds after this he tells me after that tells me the 2000 that a bunch of people on the internet are asking about them, but I'm not going to ship them.

I don't want to ship them. I don't want to go through that hassle. Oh, yeah. You're going to be looking at crazy amounts of money. So I said, and I even told them this after that. I said, well, to be honest, I'm probably the only person in this town. I would assume a multi-state area. Yeah, you could probably do a one or 200-mile swath.

Most people that have gyms don't really care about the collectibles. They care about making money. And buying antique plates does nothing for members or making money. And I told him that. I said, I'm probably the only potential buyer for these. And at the end, he said, and I'm serious about that $2,000. I'm not going to take any less. I did my looking on eBay. And so I looked on eBay then.

And there is some buy it now for like perfect pairs of those 45s. These were far from perfect. Some of them were even spray painted. Yeah, I saw the pictures. They were rusted and dirty. Which to me is still cool. I was like, yeah, I want them. I don't care about that.

But these perfect pairs of them were like listed at maybe 750 800 for buy it now but that's just a buy it now oh what's going on there are we losing our cam are we losing the camera here tanner i don't know we might be well they made a beat so if you're watching it might be about done but yeah the audio will still continue yes um but that was just buy it now prices on ebay that's not what things are even the people that buy it now are like oh it's crazy but i'd be happy to get this like but anyways this was maybe three days ago i walked out of there not buying them i told them i'd you know get back a hold of them but to me yes i'm not even going to make an offer because no you're not even no i'm just gonna wait and see if he gets back a hold of me yeah i would say that's it like you can decide

how much he wants either rusted old plates yeah essentially worth nothing to almost the entire world yeah or if he wants to pay 600 bucks and have someone one move them out for him right and also make money yes and he he said well you keep hanging on to these for 30 years they're going to be worth double what they are now and i'm like you don't need to give me investment advice here for some you know trust me as far as investments go this is a terrible i'm not buying these out of an investment like index funds or something lately i want these because i like them and i'm one of the few people. You're so lucky that there happened to be me in this town to buy these from you because nobody else wants them. You almost couldn't pay most people to take those from you.

No, most people would be like, throw those. Even people that go to the gym, most people would be like, those aren't. Most people would say, one, they're not rubber coated or they don't have cutouts to hang onto them easier. Like it would be a just limitless list of reasons that you, people wouldn't want them. Right. So I didn't get them. I still want them. I have the picture saved on my phone.

And when I, sometimes I look at them and feel sad, but I don't have them. But you know that you're within like a mile range of them. And also he is old. Maybe he'll die and I'll be able to buy him at his estate sale. I was going to say an estate sale. An auction of something. I'll be like, ah, chunks of metal. And the bidding will start at $10. I'll give you $50.

Sold. You'll be like, really? This guy's offering $50 for this? What an idiot. Playing the long game. I see what you're doing here, Tanner. Might not be that long, like I said to you. You never know.

You never know. You got a point there. Wow. That was my story. That's probably the greatest local rummaging story we'll ever hear for weights. Maybe it's a little anticlimactic that that is the greatest, but I'd be really shocked if we ever come up with a greater story than that. Yes, I agree. The only greater story I can think of is if the big college in town was like,

we are selling all of our weightlifting equipment for pennies on the dollar and be like well that that's worth something to talk about that now but right i don't think that will happen so no i don't think so either unless someone has like a diamond encrusted squat rack somewhere that we don't know about that would be about it though our camera is making a lot of noise i might just investigate it really well now it's beeping really loud what's it what's it saying did it turn off on us it uh tanner's doing the tech work might not have been recording there for a minute but we are now so back in business all right um i'm looking at the list here tanner yeah Yeah. Of what we want to talk about. We do have a, not a big list, but what did, oh, best comment of the week. I did want to do best comment of the week.

Okay. This one is maybe slightly old. You know, it's not within the last few days, but it will be relevant still. Okay. Best Instagram slash YouTube comment of the week. The comment is, by the way, please be careful and make sure if it's not true to say so in the comments,

lots of people could be mistaken. And you remember this one? Yes, I do. But already you don't even need to say what the post is. Just on Instagram, this person believes there should be a policy where if something's not true, it should say it in the caption. Yes. Which is insane.

Yes. Because how do you even browse the internet, social media, anything? And maybe that's this person's problem is that they think that if it doesn't say it's not true, they think it is true. And the post that it was actually on, it was of Kaler Willem deadlifting 880 pounds off blocks, conventional. And he was wearing the deadlifter shirt. So we shared that, of course, as a big, also a big lift. Yeah, it was a big lift. So big lifts and best comment of the week all in one here.

Hand in hand. So a 400-kilo block pull, conventional for him. best comment we call in hand so a 400 kilo block pull conventional forum and in this in the comments i made this a stupid comment he told us he finds that conventional block pulls really bring up his jefferson deadlift he doesn't have to test his jefferson every week because he knows if it's conventional block pull is moving up his jefferson will be there and that's just kind of a thing and if you follow the page at all yeah you're like, okay, I get what's going on here. It's interesting to learn these tips from one of the best deadlifters to ever live. Which is like the most generic tips for anything because those are literally the tips people give.

Oh, yeah, I started spending more time on this and it helped this. It's like, right. You could say that about almost anything. Yes. It's like, right. You could say that about almost anything. Yes. So then he asked, is this serious or is this a joke? And I said, if you follow our page, you'll see we often make a lot of posts related to the Jefferson deadlift.

And there's quite a bit of humor involved in most of them. And that's when he proceeded to tell us that if we're going to say stuff that's not serious or a joke, if we're going to make a joke, we need to say that it's a joke. How many jokes have you ever seen? That's why everyone's noticed a strict change in our page in the last couple weeks here is that it's been very, very explicit in what is a joke. If it's a joke, we're going to tell you it's a joke. Yeah, you can only laugh at what we allow you to laugh at.

Otherwise, it is serious and not to be laughed at. The best jokes are always the ones where someone tells you it's a joke. Those are always the funniest. Well, yeah, exactly. Like, that's how you just, you know, hey, guys, want to hear a funny joke? That's how you know it's funny because someone already told you it's going to be funny and it's a joke. Right. So it's safe for everyone.

Yeah, that's how comedy should be, I think. That's right. Do we want to review last week's Overrated and Underrated to see how you did versus the Do we want to get into that right now or save it for Overrated and Underrated? Well, we could save it, too. Maybe we'll save it because we still have like one or two more things to talk about here. And Tanner, we still got quite a bit of time.

All right. The one, and we were kind of almost getting into this a little bit, there was also a few other controversies. Oh, yeah. We were talking about the world's strong. It all kind of bounces back into each other. This actually is flowing right into it. Just, was it earlier in the week or last week, Robert Oberst was on the Joe Rogan Experience. And it was a fairly long interview.

Actually, pretty standard by Joe Rogan terms, but about three hours long. It was the first joe rogan experience i've listened to now it was actually the first one ever yeah oh first one i've ever listened to and i say that like i'm some seasoned vet over here i've maybe got somewhere between five and ten in my entire life so i can't really contribute much more in that field but um i just started this morning i got like 40 minutes into it um which isn't going to get me to the part that we're going to talk about here, but you did listen to the whole thing. Yep. And specifically the one that a lot of people have found interesting or a lot of people

have gotten butthurt about. Sucked onto and like wouldn't let go. Yeah, is Robert Oberst saying. He said that the very short of it, he said that you don't need to do deadlifts. If you took it completely out of context, you would think he said you don't need to do deadlifts. There is an actual soundbite where he says you don't have to deadlift. Right. And Robert Oberst admittedly doesn't like the deadlift.

It's not one of his good events. It's maybe his worst event as far as strongman goes. it's maybe his worst event as far as strong man goes that probably plays into his bias no doubt whether he you know it knowingly admits that part of or not but it'd be hard to not you know if you're the best in the world that's something you're not going to say yeah don't do this you don't want to do that but more so the the point he was making was that uh say if you're an athlete you play in other sports the deadlift probably is not that important you specifically talked about the risk reward ratio the risk to injury versus the reward of the benefit of doing the movement for an athlete kind of relating it back to be to a

football player i think was kind of in the discussion a football player they don't need a deadlift his his idea was that power cleans are more beneficial than a deadlift which i don't know you could also argue about that whether you agree or disagree with that like that's probably a more high risk one but it's also a technical lift that's not easy to learn either you know it also is probably more helpful in the explosive department which is typically what sports tend to be about a lot more than a static strength deadlift. Yeah, and I personally don't know that I agree or disagree with him.

I think he certainly made some points that made sense. It wasn't anything that I... Like when I listened to it, I said, oh, I kind of... I didn't even think about it. I just thought... It was just like, oh, he said some stuff and it was on to the next thing. Yeah, right, right. of, I didn't even think about it. I just thought, Oh, he said some stuff. Yeah.

The next thing. Yeah. Right. Right. Well, okay. I could see, um, well, there's a lot of things. The first one is just, if you're at the gym training, you don't do deadlifts, especially a conventional deadlift.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Unless you are trying to do powerlifting, there's almost no reason to need to do a deadlift i mean i guess you could say the reason is to work your posterior chain yeah but also there's a lot of other exercises that can do that if you feel so inclined as to work that area um even even like a trap bar deadlift it's probably easier to do yeah um i think we've even interviewed people before that i've talked about training and they're like a lot of times we start with like a trap bar deadlift before we get into a conventional and yep um but i don't think that's that uncommon of a sentiment for people to have is like you know unless you're trying to be a competitive power lifter a conventional deadlift

isn't the most important move for you to be worried about i think like you look at bodybuilders i don't think deadlifting is one of the, they're one of the most popular exercises for a bodybuilder. But what about Ronnie Coleman Tanner? Do you even remember that at all? I do seem to be kind of remembering something, but Ronnie may have been a slight exception to the rule. What?

I do not get what you're saying there. But I think most bodybuilders agree that there's a lot of value in the squat because it builds the legs in such a way that no other exercise can. But when I think a lot of them don't, there's not a ton of heavy deadlift. Like it can build a lot of muscle mass to a lot of areas, but I think a lot of them would choose to do other exercises to build their back. And it's probably harder to fit into a bodybuilding split. And, but I'm just using bodybuilding as one example. Yeah. Just that there's alternatives to just, you can't just be in the powerlifting

mindset. They're all the powerlifter. Well, yes, there are alternatives to this. And there's something about how powerlifters tie their identity to the three main lifts and, and not just the three main lifts, but the three main lifts being and and not just the three main lifts but the three main lifts being done to a power lifting standard which only really matters if you're a power lifter so for the rest of the world that doesn't compete in the sport doing them to your agreed standard that you and a few of your friends and i say that even talking about myself yeah that you and a few of your friends and peers agree that yep this is the way the lift should be done. People get upset about that, and they feel personally attacked.

It's like, why do you care so much about a deadlift? Even in the deadlift, more than likely, the people that are pissed about them saying that are also pissed about people doing sumo deadlifts too. It's not even like they're pissed about the exercise not being done. It's like they're just upset about it not being done in their in the style they prefer to their standard right and like if that's not like the definition of like gatekeeping i don't know what is and it's like why do you care so much right about how other people meet their fitness

goals i i agree and i i like deadlifting know, that's one of my favorite, uh, favorite lifts, especially if it's going well, it's I, I love deadlifting, but I kind of, you know, I kind of agree. Yeah. It's not, not everyone has to do it. Not everyone's a power lifter. You can't look through the lens of power lifters. Everyone has to. Yeah. Yeah. It's very true. That reminds me of, we put out, did a Massanomics rookie card contest where you could win your own. And I put in there, you know, in order to be a winner, you do have to have actually competed in a powerlifting meet before. And someone replied on there, a funny comment. They said, oh, he just ruled out like three-fourths of the powerlifters on Instagram. Yes, exactly. I'm like on instagram yeah it's true yeah because people like they just it's like they have numbers for the sport without

competing in the sport yeah it's just the whole thing is so backwards but right um yeah i'm i'm never ever one that's like just seems to make a big deal about like people not doing the big three or the big three, the way I think the big three should be done. It's like, there's a, there's a lot of ways to do it. And unless someone is actually,

actually trying to be a competitive power lifter, it doesn't really matter one, if they do them. And then if they do how they do them, as long as they're doing it safely, you know? Right. So people were up in arms about that big time.

I mean, it was a, well, they probably feel betrayed by about that big time. I mean, it was, uh, well, they probably feel betrayed by one of their own, you know, it's like, this is a guy that is one of the top, top tier strength athletes to say that like what they're doing doesn't matter. So it's like their whole identity is like caving in on them. Like, what am I doing so much of my life, investing so much of my life and caring about a deadlift? If one of the best guys in the world say it doesn't matter, you know, it's this whole identity crisis right so yeah but that being said um you know big deadlifts are always awesome i agree that's what i like i like deadlifts and i like to do them myself but also care less about what other people are yes yes that is but also don't suck and care less

about what other people do yes and also care more about your shitty deadlifting before you worry about someone else's. Right. So that leads perfectly into this next part, Tanner. And who, I forgot. Miles Garrett was the offender. And for people that maybe aren't in the loop, why don't you explain quickly who we're discussing here. Miles Garrett is a NFL player for the Cleveland Browns. I think he was the number one overall pick in 2017.

He's tall. I think he's, I don't know, 6'5". Don't quote me. Very muscular, very athletic, a freakish. So we're talking like the top 0.00001 of human performance, really. Yes, definitely. From a, like he's, I didn't realize he was that tall because he's so like lean and muscular. And typically at 6'5", you don't carry muscle mass like that.

Right. Very true. But he's not a, he's not a and he's not an average human being yep and also the whole point of his job is to move incredibly quickly too like that matters movement and so he had this video actually bleacher report is the one that i don't think he ever posted this video i don't know how who had it that's why i didn't know where it came from they posted he had 675 on the bar and and he did a double squat. I will use squat in air quotes because it's not a squat as a power lifter would consider a squat to be.

It was like a half rep, I would say. He did like two half reps. Yes, and they were hard. Yeah. Certainly hard. I mean, at 675 pounds, it's a lot of weight, and it was not a power lifting squat. Mm-hmm. By any stretch of, like like i want to be clear i agree it was not a squat to power lifting standards in any way i'm not so ignorant to believe that it was

no i mean unless he was competing multi-ply then actually a few people made that joke like he might be okay then honestly people did Given on how well he knows where he's competing. And we posted, I guess, a meme video about it saying, I can't remember what it was. It was something along the lines of like, he doesn't care because he's cashing a check. Right. He's got a $30 million guaranteed contract. $30 million guaranteed contract. So he's saying he doesn't care too much what powerlifters are,

how the Instagram powerlifting community is critiquing his squat. He'll probably say, and he doesn't care. Right. Yeah. We don't, maybe, maybe it's actually keeping him up at night. Yeah.

Right. I would like to think it does it, but my assumption is he probably doesn't care. He probably doesn't even know, you know, he probably, he probably is like powerlifting is a sport. I don't even really know because I'm busy playing a sport that like.

Well, he probably doesn't know what powerlifting is. I would guess if you asked him, he wouldn't know that it's a squat, bench, and deadlift. There's a good chance. Yeah, yeah. Probably not know that it's those three lifts. I mean, unless he's, I don't know. Maybe he went to high school in Texas. Yeah.

Maybe he knows. But the number of people though I people, though, I saw, I believe I saw several comments that were something like, I'd rather have a decent squat than get paid that much money. That is like bullshit. Because you're saying you can't have one without the other. You don't think if someone told him to perform a squat to death that he actually couldn't do it.

It's like, I think he could. It's just he doesn't know where he should should be at just because yes he's never had to know and also if someone said we will give you 30 million dollars and you are never allowed to squat more than halfway down the rest of your life i would say okay yeah where do i sign but there was a lot of people that were really pissed about it i it actually, I think, made everyone mad. It was this type of thing that had the ability to make everyone upset no matter what side of the... If you're on one side of the fence or the other, it equally bothers you. So the powerlifting type, I think it goes right back to the identity thing again of like,

well, I spend my whole life worrying about squatting to depth or my whole training existence in the gym yeah you're telling me that that actually technically doesn't matter for anything right and it's almost like they were making the connection that like oh yeah it kind of doesn't but that it's like too hard to comprehend so like you reply back by freaking out and i mean i kind of keep shitting on powerlifting and i also compete in me i was gonna say we both have competed in many powerlifting meets i think that's an important dimension here but we we like and we like powerlifting yeah and like yeah we're friends talking about yeah we have a whole podcast talking about it but my identity of who i am as a person is not dependent on my ability to lift a bar to a standard that somebody in a group made

as a set of rules right that does not identify me as a person well and especially and it shouldn't identify anyone like especially someone else's ability to do it or someone else's yeah really doesn't uh has no bearing on my life especially someone that isn't having the goals or is isn't trying to do it in the same context and he's and he's not trying to present it as a power lifting squat right he didn't do it in a meet he didn't show and he's not trying to present it as a powerlifting squat right he didn't do it in a meet he didn't show up to a meet like oh my god this nfl uh nfl player is going to compete in a powerlifting meet like he's not presented in that way just like somehow someone got some footage of him in the gym right and i i would i would bet that to depth he could probably perform a beautiful 550 plus squat no problem i would sure guess and um if he hasn't

been trained to depth i would think given his genetics and who he is currently he could probably be at 675 like a few months if he really wanted to be right another thing is people talking a lot about well we'll see how much he cares when he's injured in two years and can't can't play football anymore out of all the things that happen on the football field i don't think the squatting to i think it's more like the cut blocks and the guys falling on your legs. I'd be more worried about that. The helmet-to-helmet CTE. Yeah, CTE.

But again, yeah, the fact that you think knees are the biggest issue here, again, shows your limited knowledge of the world. And I think that's like a crutch that people fall to because I know that – I've seen and heard studies of both ways. So what they're saying is this half repping is inherently dangerous. Yeah, it hurts your ligaments or your tendons. Yeah, that you're stressing your knee more by only going halfway down. I don't know that that's a fact. I think that that's what some people believe, but it's not what everyone believes.

That's not a black and white fact. Yeah, I don't, it's not what everyone believes. I don't, I, that's not, uh, that's not a black and white fact. I don't have access to studies, but I would also think that you could probably find studies that talk about depth, not playing a factor and things. And even then, how do you, there still is not even, even in the sport of powerlifting and agreed upon way to call depth either. So it's like USAPL says, and several other federations do, you know, IPF, USAPL, IPF, and then several other, maybe even the USPA say depth is knee below or hip crease below the knee, which is almost impossible to define already.

And just look at any of the world record videos for squats out there. You'll see a lot better, obviously several inches above that. Right. So is that bad for those people's knees? Right. Because powerlifting says it's okay in those meets. And then, okay, if we're, if those people are already a few inches high, you know, if we had a few more inches on, is that good or bad? I don't think anyone really knows. No. And to be fair, there was also people arguing on the other side of the coin

that also make points that don't make very much sense that what, you know, they're arguing more like, uh, quarter squats are actually more beneficial for explosive athletes and stuff points that don't make very much sense that what you know they're arguing more like uh quarter squats are actually more beneficial for explosive athletes and stuff like that and i'm like i don't know about that like you and what i'm saying is i know that person commenting does not know that yeah that's just something that they believe and it's kind of funny because like it is funny in the way that uh like benching like likeoto presses, things like that are okay. Or a deadlift, a block pull. Kaler Wallum, one of the best deadlifters in the world, he's doing an 881-pound block pull.

Half of a rep. Yes, there you could make the argument that it's like, well, that'd be like a pin press. You're not the one stopping it, but that's like a Spoto press. You are the one stopping it. I guess a Spoto press is a better example. a better example it's never starting on anything like you're just artificially adding the range photo press is a very comparable where a board press would be a little bit different yeah because there's maybe a rest in there but but it's like he was just doing that to a pin squat Brad

Gillingham one of the greatest power lifters of all time they utilize pin squats from probably not much a different depth at times than what miles garrett was doing in that video people don't watch him and say oh that's what would be really funny is if he actually came out with a video and was like wow i actually upset a very small subset of the internet um i was actually working partials my lockout was tough like if he actually came out with that video, would that make people's heads explode? If he said, yeah, I've been training partials and it's made my squat very, very strong. And we can probably assume that that's not.

Oh, that will never happen. Right, right. It probably wasn't his intention. Again, because he has actual problems and things to worry about, not like people's standards of squat. But you could almost see a powerlifter, some coach out there programming something like that to address a weakness. I wouldn't be surprised if there are people getting those prescribed to them right now by some type of coach. The point you brought up is it is a little bit different because like in a pin squat or even a high box squat, there's still something like stopping you. There is a stop at some point of a device of some kind but um i mean i'm never

going to start i'm not i don't have any plans to start doing like partial squats like that anytime soon i don't even think i would recommend it to people i don't think so either but then again i am also not a world-class athlete surrounded by strength and conditioning coaches that are probably also getting paid hundreds of thousands if not millions to handle me and take care of me. So I'll just assume that they haven't taken care of. Yeah. And also don't care so much about other people. It goes right back to that rule again. Like he's doing his thing. Yeah. I think you can worry about working at your, I don't know, barely above minimum wage job. Or, you know, if you put that effort into your career like you'd

probably be better off right you know wow tanner that took a long time yeah that was the uh that was our internet lifting controversies section of the podcast well things that are contribution now that we're strong that probably don't need to be well now that world's strongest man is done you know we're kind of in that summer lull, like the Pioneer, the Tribute Meet, for a few weeks still, Boss of Bosses is a few weeks out. There's these storylines that are just being fabricated. Yeah, IPF Worlds is done. There's just not much happening right now,

so there's got to be something to talk about. Tribute Meet is coming up pretty soon, and we'll have that to look forward to. Should we get to more serious matters, though, Tanner? You mean the most serious matter? Yeah. Of me now inflicting my opinion on the world. After we talked about how other people's opinions don't matter.

Well, if they made a game out of it, then yeah, it would matter. Yeah. Well, if we did this whole thing. If they made an elaborate setup like this to explain their opinions, maybe then it'd be okay. I'm not saying they're valid, but it'd be yes but just typing them on instagram that's way too lazy yeah you got to put in the hours like we do to be able to get get get your illusion yeah okay so first we'll review last week's overrated underrated we put that poll out on the instagram story just like we do every week and we'd like to review how you answered compared to how our fans

answered the first topic was true true crime podcast do you remember how you answered that one i actually couldn't because i played again this week and i'm like god i don't even remember how i answered i think i think i said underrated didn't i i don't know i i saw you voted underrated yeah i was thinking you said i actually sat there and it took long enough that it flipped the screen so i had to go back again hold it and pause it because I could not remember what I said. I knew I was torn. I can't remember. But that's what you're saying.

It's you're pretty close. Oh, yeah. I was very close on the time. So close that I still don't even remember. But the people said overrated by 64 percent. So that's a pretty good majority. That's a that's a fair. And in their in their defense, the market's very flooded on. Yes. And I think that's where that I a fair and in their uh in their defense um the market's very

flooded on those yes and i think that's where that i think what i said is at their best they are still some of the best and so i think i said by that logic they're underrated okay i think okay i could have also used that logic and said it was overrated uh topic number two was electric cars you said underrated yep the people 50 50 almost they're 53 underrated so they did agree with you small margin they're embracing the future yeah topic number three stranger things you said i think i said underrated but i said i haven't seen season three yeah so i don't know but i said based off of season one and two i liked them yeah so i don't know but i said based off of season one and two i liked them yeah 58 said overrated and i'm guessing a lot of that anyone that says i've never watched that i don't plan to that's

not my cup of tea they're just gonna say over yeah yeah right but by deciding not to watch you've basically decided right right uh was this our last last topic bottled water everyone had to have said overrated right it wasn't maybe as strong as you might might believe do you have a guess on the percentage 60 40 yeah yes it was 62 percent overrated you you had me thinking like it was maybe really close yeah yeah yeah but in my mind that should have been like 80 20 or 90 10 right right yeah i'm kind of surprised by that yeah maybe it just depends on maybe a specific circumstance where some people maybe really rely on it.

I don't know. Yeah, I'm a little surprised by that. I don't know. I get more of the electric car debate. You know, when I think about it, the electric car is very close of people that say overrated versus underrated, and I can see that. Yeah.

Well, and plus people are turning it into like a political issue too right right but the bottled water i almost feel like why do you like paying for this stuff and it's like and i mean i think we can all agree it's not good that we're you know putting that much plastic into i think we can all agree water is free like if you have the foresight to bring it with you yeah i understand in a pinch you might need it but even in that situation i'm like ah this is annoying i have to pay for this shit yes um so with that in mind should we run into this week's yeah yes let's let's hop right into this week's do what are what are we what are you feeling about the rules this week i mean people bagged on me for not reading they always get on me if I don't read them.

So whatever you feel, Tanner. You have your druthers when it comes to the rules. I have my druthers. Okay. Well, I'm going to do a quick recap of the rules then. Underrated, overrated consists of lightning round questions. I asked them to Tommy. The questions come from a variety of topics, including but not limited to pop culture, current events, food, and technology.

There are also lifting-related topics sprinkled in. You might even notice some of those sprinkled in today. I like the sprinkles. A little sprinkle of lifting-related topics. Important to remember, Tommy does have his druthers when it comes to the length of the answers. He can take as long as you want, as quick as you want. He could just give a simple one word, overrated, underrated. That wouldn't make it as interesting of a game.

It also would be a really quick segment too. But that's kind of the important part about having your druthers. But it is important to remember that by the end of it, he does have to solidly come up with an answer of overrated or underrated. I think we're all up to speed on that, so we'll jump into topic number one. Overrated or underrated, antiperspirant, not deodorant, antiperspirant. There is a difference. Yes. Yes. And you could say, because right away when you say antiperspirant, I think, are you just saying just people using underarm odor protection of some kind?

Not odor protection, antiperspirant. And when you say antiperspirant, you're probably referring more to the active ingredient in the application in antiperspirant, right? Right. Which is what makes antiperspirant antiperspirant. Right. So by that logic, I can say, I didn't even realize this for the longest time, I was not even using antiperspirant. I was using deodorant yeah um

i think this is fairly common with some people though i think some people do find the ingredients in antiperspirant can irritate their skin i i went a long time without knowing that there was a two different i believe like the ingredient is it's some kind of aluminum i think because i think when you i think when you're using antiperspirant, you're actually putting some aluminum of some kind into the pores of your skin, which sounds insane when you think about it. I actually personally don't use antiperspirant. I use deodorant. And as far as I know, it works just fine for me. So I guess I can say antiperspirant is overrated.

Whether it is for the world. Really, really what matters here is that you're putting something on under your arm. You need to have something on. You don't want to be that guy that doesn't have anything on. Because then you're the smelly guy. No one wants to be the smelly guy. I switched many years ago from antiperspirant to deodorant. I mean, most importantly, I would say antiperspirant did not work for me.

If I was going to get hot and sweaty, I was going to get hot and sweaty. See, that's what I always found at the end of the day is it just, and even occasionally, I think by accident, because a lot of them are labeled the exact same. It's just the little word is different. If you're not paying attention, you can easily grab one. And I actually don't notice antiperspirant, like actually having less sweat, like having better sweat blocking ability than just a regular deodorant. Right.

Maybe I'm some anomaly. Is there a reason if your body wants to sweat that you should be preventing your body from doing that? Well, I get the like embarrassing part of like no one wants to have pit stains like that part of it. But I don't remember being like in a workout being like, like they advertise on TV like, oh, this guy doesn't have any sweat stains. Yeah. I don't know if I've ever had that happen to me. Maybe I don't pay close enough attention. But if you're – I mean, maybe it's part of the kind of gym and stuff that we're at.

But if someone has sweat stains when they're working out, I'm like, yeah, okay. Yeah, that's the way it goes. He's lifting hard. Yeah. No, I'll say antiperspirant is overrated. But as long as you're putting something on under your arms that is the number one key takeaway here is you have to be doing that underrated or overrated curling in the squat rack curling in the squat rack is very overrated but the shirt is even more underrated

than curling in the squat rack is overrated so um the the takeaway there is you need the shirt um are you adding a topic to overrated underrated uh you know what i kind of am actually you know this is kind of my druthers i guess but uh yeah you do need the shirt uh the flag as seen behind us here is a wonderful uh piece to accompany it with yeah even maybe if you have your own podcast studio you want this as your background i would actually love to see another podcast studio have have this flag in their background just be like oh no yeah this is how we do it here yeah um so yes it could be one of those things uh a meme steal this look and it'll be the massonomics podcast studio and we'll

have two chairs this flag some mics alike but yeah uh curling in the squat rack is overrated some mics of light but yeah uh curling in the squat rack is overrated and is that like uh i know that's like part of our it ties into our whole thing that we've got going here and stuff but like what if you saw someone curling in the suit like well again i wouldn't really care that much i'd just be like oh that's dumb yeah yeah unless there's actually not a place to curl anywhere else which is almost never the case right um then uh it just several home gym owners have let me know i own the gym i get to do what i want there yeah i don't disagree with you yeah there it's there that's a fair argument yep there it is there they have their druthers about spot you do you have your

druthers about curling in your own spot rack because you set the rules right okay overrated or underrated photographs physical photos i think they're pretty underrated um and especially in this day and age you're like disappearing yeah uh and i'm a person that has taken like tens of thousands of photos with an actual camera yeah right and almost i mean part of my job is I do take photos for people occasionally if the project calls for it. And I so rarely see my own photographs printed. Like, it's almost an unusual experience still to this day when I see something that I did a photograph of printed

because it's just so rare that I actually see. Because everything is just so digital now. Like, there's just not much of a reason to see printed things but um i do believe it is underrated i think so too they're always cool i like my wife sometimes gets some like just gets like like you would used to get you know you'd get like yeah yeah like the four by sixes she'll pick a bunch from her camera roll and get those and i'm like ah, ah, this is cool. This feels a lot cooler than swiping people on the phone. And they're just fun to look at. And that'll be an interesting thing to see in 10 years.

Are people just going to sit around someone's phone and be like, oh, yeah, I have pictures of the whole family from 30 years ago. I'm sure some people have that right now, and it could get to that point. But, man, I don't know. Are people just going to have massive photo albums of, of their entire family going back generations on their, like, like people having current phone, like people having current photo albums in their house. Right. Like when I go home, I can, if I wanted to, my mom could pull out photo albums from when

she was, you know, much younger, like just of the whole family like her and her siblings growing up right um you know my dad's side of the family too like all of that they they could show these things and right now i could be like i don't have any photos like i would have to ask my mom for them and if she was like oh i threw away all the photos of you i'd just be like oh yeah well that part of my life is done like i those photos those photos don't exist uh they're not on my phone. They're nowhere, but right.

Yeah. Photos are photos are underrated. Yeah, I agree. Last topic of the day. This relates back to what we've discussed this episode underrated or overrated, overrated or underrated aliens, not area 51,

just, just purely aliens. Well, this is a... And you could take this and... This might be maybe the most open-ended one you've ever asked. I think just if you're a person with any bit of curiosity, you have to say aliens are underrated because that is the unknown. Aliens kind of get the face of the unknown, but...

Yeah. Isn't that the whole point of living is to like learn more and find out i mean human humans by nature are you know curious creatures so to just like not want to know what what is or could be out there yeah is insane to me so i think aliens are super underrated and by picking a choice you're almost it's almost say i think you are almost being categorized as do you believe that aliens could be real or do you not believe that they could be real i guess what i mean say underrated you probably well i believe theoretically yes it could be real yeah um i'm not like one of the alien conspiracy theory guys you don't necessarily

think that they're hovering above us watching us right now but i mean they could be but i don't just like go my whole life thinking that but uh to me they maybe represent more the idea that maybe there's just something else out there that we don't even know about you know whether that's aliens or i don't even know i think uh for me it's almost harder to wrap my mind around the fact that they aren't real yeah that there's nothing else out there yeah because uh like the the side like the existence the size of the universe and uh everything that you go go even beyond that it's so uncomprehensibly large that it's kind of almost hard to believe that somewhere there isn't something out there like you know that there isn't living living life somewhere yes and i'm i think we talked about this a long time ago and um like in episode 171 it was at least weeks ago um i'm trying to find this really quick here

tanner just to like this is this is maybe the best thing that put it into perspective for me. Um, okay. Uh, all right. This is what it is. Actually, I'm, I'm assuming this is what it is. Cause I Googled it really quick. You can type in like, I just remember there's a guy called Carl Sagan. Not sure if you know who he is at all, but he kind of, he's, he's not alive anymore,

but he's kind of famous, like sort of in the sci-fi community. And then like even the science, he was a scientist. So like in the science community, but just kind of in the whole, like, you know, let's expand the,

the, the, or let's expand our knowledge of the universe and science and the world and all these. And I always just remember this being presented in one of his videos. Uh, so I just typed in right now, Carl Sagan, extraterrestrial formula.

And it looks like it's actually called the Drake equation, not for the artist Drake, but, uh, apparently this other guy, Dr. Frank Drake. Um, and they have an actual Canada must be because if you see a Raptor, um, they have this big formula where, you know, this thing, um, this, uh, uh, what do you think this variable represents the, um, you know, number of stars in the galaxy. This variable represents the number of those stars that have planets. This variable equals the average number of planets that could support life per stars that that planet has, the fraction of planets that could support life, the fraction of planets that life could go to develop um on and

on and on so they have this big formula and this would be really anticlimactic if i don't come up with it um so basically um yeah you know what there's too many numbers here i can't i can't get it to where i'm not going to just throw out something, but I will actually just throw out something. They estimate they're like, even given all of these numbers, they run them through the formula and they're talking like 0.1%, 0.1, you know, there's crazy small percentages. And even with that, they're coming up with, um, like 50 million planets that could potentially, that could have aliens. Yeah. Um, yeah. And it's just like, man, once you see those numbers, like, yeah, it'd be insane to think that. That's what I mean. It's harder for me to think that there isn't

like with that many, you know, with that, that amplifies that, but with that many possibilities that there is not. Yeah. Cause even like with this, if I, if I'm trying to have a conversation and read this quick, but if they're saying like their high estimate is 50 million, and you say, well, all right, that's the high estimate, but still even let's take the high estimate and break it down to one in a million. You still have 50 planets that have life. Yeah, right. Okay, so let's do it.

It's just like, yeah, it's crazy to think that it actually couldn't be a thing. Yeah. That would definitely change some people's whole perspective on what we are all of a sudden so i wonder if there's aliens out there right now playing their own version of overrated underrated probably worrying about how far trying to figure out trying to figure out the perfect word to describe like having their own opinion to make about things they probably don't have a word like druthers they probably don't language as advanced as they are they've never been able to verbalize the that's the one we that's the word we've been missing in our vocab yeah that's like

the secret to some uh to some higher level in their in their society yeah druthers all right well is that it tanner i think that rats wraps us up for uh 172 in our new studio here very cool uh we had video issues this week so we did have video like never before i don't know where we're gonna have to uh the camera knew we were onto some alien stuff and so it started fighting us yeah we're gonna have to have our av department take a look at that get the interns on this yeah yes many many interns uh we did last week we we said are we going to break a thousand youtube subscribers first or 20 000 instagram followers we broke 1 000 youtube subscribers first but just barely yes and i

believe i have the name of the man that claims he was number one really like someone actually did state claim to this yes his name on instagram is brendan crane he said i heard on the podcast you are going for a thousand youtube followers i'm proud to say when i went to your page there were 999 and i made 1000 well we don't have america we don't have the facts to dispute him so we'll have to give him that so uh your reward is this shout out on the podcast after all you had to do is listen for an hour and 11 minutes through a lot of talks about aliens and high

squats, but your praise was way up this sweet, sweet reward. Brendan Crane. Oh, that that is a you will go down in the history of episode 170. I don't even know what to 172 172.

Otherwise, continue to subscribe on YouTube. They did send us a... YouTube sent us a congratulatory message for making 1,000. Did we get the diamond-plated button yet? They didn't say anything about what they're physically sending. They sent us... They must have changed the standards on that. They sent us this GIF that we could share that shows that we made 1,000 subscribers.

Okay. And I felt like maybe we don't want to brag that we just now got 1,000 subscribers. Hey, you too, after producing 170, actually probably closer to 200 videos, you too, after producing 200 videos, could have 1,000 subscribers a day. Actually, by YouTube standards now, though, don't you need 1,000 subscribers to monetize it? We do. So we do have the option now of monetizing to be making cents per video you need a thousand

subscribers and a certain number of hours watched over the last 365 day period which we qualify oh we do we do qualify for not by a long ways but we do so we could monetize start raking in some of that sweet sweet youtube those of you that watch could be noticing a lot of extra ads in your YouTube. Is that what happens when you monetize? Do they put commercials in? They put them on the beginning. A video like this, they'll put them in the middle too with how long we are. They'd probably put like five commercials in this thing.

Can you zoom past? Some of them you can. Well, unless you have an ad block installed in your browser. So we could be making like cents probably per month from YouTube ads. Just think a whole year of Massanics videos could generate dollars of revenue we don't want to leave that sitting i don't know how we could pass up something like that uh but please do subscribe maybe maybe someday we'll get to 2000 hopefully we can get to 2000 faster than we got to 1000 yeah that'd be cool we are also though on the cusp, almost as we record here, we might have broke that 20K.

So it was a close race. Yep. But we did get the seven YouTube subscribers before we got the... You know, if we would have had more relevant alien and old people memes, we probably could have got to 20K first. Yes, we probably could have. We didn't really cash in on those, though. No, we didn't ride the wave. No.

There's always next wave. I'm sure there's something right now. There'll be'll be something there's something right now that we know it's been a while actually i was gonna say it's been a while since it's been a challenge video but the bottle we are kind of still in the midst of what about that challenge that planking thing is that new is that still like bring it back the people want it we should do all really really really old uh played out yeah we'll do like the harlem shake and uh well we have our what was the one where you uh all froze we did the mannequin challenge yeah the mannequin challenge all the clap that one isn't even that old in the scheme of things no no the harlem shake is ancient

as far as all those things and planking is too you know t-bowing oh yeah you know we could bring some of those back i think we should start that. But half of our followers would probably be like, I have no idea what the hell these guys are talking about. What is T-Bowing? Who is T-Bow? Who is Tim T-Bow? Should I care about this? Probably not.

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