Massenomics Podcast - Ep.192: Jefferson Deadlifts are Blowing Up

Episode Date: December 9, 2019

Jefferson Deadlifts have become the hottest thing since the tickle me Elmo doll in 1996.  Who do you think is responsible for all this bar straddling madness? We also give a big thank you to everyone who supported us over the crazy black Friday weekend! Hybrid Performance Method: https://hybridperformancemethod.com/ and use code MASS to save 5% on all programs Lifting Large: https://www.liftinglarge.com/ and use code MASS20 to save on Lifting Large branded products Spud Inc.: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/

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Thank you to our sponsors. My name is Tanner and our other host over here. Tommy, what's happening? So we got 192 and we do have just a shit pot of stuff to go over. We do. You know, Tanner, before you even got here, in my head, I thought this is going to be our first two-plus-hour podcast. Given what time it is right now, I don't think that's actually going to happen.

Given what time it is right now in relation to my bedtime? Yeah, exactly, yes. So we're definitely not going to get through all of it but no that's just the way it goes sometimes yep it be like that sometimes as the kid says it be like that sometimes for sure today is one of those times so where to tanner before i'm just uh my i'm sort of absent-minded just because i'm getting my my ad sheets ready i don't want to be scrambling for that later on okay okay i got that part taken care of so i'm gonna set that aside all right we we do we've got to talk about and the weekend we just got

before we get to that though oh we have a lot of talking i don't even have a what's in the can this is peach pear we don't have time to do what's in the can this week i need this too because as i was reading those ads uh my mouth was a little parched yeah that's what was forcing me to stumble over some of the words so we need a little refreshment before we get to work here all right that helps i'm gonna do better on the ads on the end of the show because now my mouth isn't so dry that is better need some of that uh podcasting fuel that's what they call it podcast juice so today is wednesday december 4th or something like that as we're recording maybe the fifth and we're coming off of the black friday extravaganza everything that went and um

just to kick it off right off the bat, it was a pretty awesome weekend in the world of Masonomics. It was an awesome and an impressive weekend. Like, shocking to just... I hit the point in like my addiction stage of email where I'm like,

it's been 10 minutes. I have to refresh email to see what happened. And it's like, boom, orders. Boom, orders. Boom, orders. It's like like where do these people come from so thank you most importantly thank you everyone that uh supported over that weekend absolutely it was it was shocking to see those coming in it was really cool it was really fun and that addiction thing is real to the point where you're like you just need like you just want to see give me more yeah you're like like it's so much but i just want more like you kind of get everyone kind of knows the feeling you have a post on instagram starts getting likes and maybe a few more likes than you're used to you're like oh that's kind

of cool yeah but now just imagine like that feeling like just amplified times 10 and it's all day long and now instead of being an imaginary number attached to it, there's actually a monetary value. And it's such an unusual thing to see. It really is. It is. It was cool. So we released all the new stuff, and we sold a lot of the new items. I think the fan favorite is probably the Lift Shorts 2.0 at this point, right? I mean, the numbers are there to back it up too, yes.

We're kind of sold out of them. There's a couple sizes that are left we we already got a reorder of them back so hopefully it won't be more than um even by the time you're hearing this hopefully not much more than a week or so until we got those restocked but we sold a lot yeah of lift shorts you never know what to expect like oh we're gonna sell five of them it's like like, okay, I guess, yeah, we'd sell five. But no, it was significantly more than that. Yeah.

The joggers were popular. We sold quite a few of the new joggers and the new shirts. I mean, really. Yeah, we had the black on black bench and, yeah, breaking parallel. Like, it was all moving, you know? Yeah. It was all things that people seemed to like. So maybe we kind of do sort of know what we're doing

sometimes maybe that still might be a big maybe but maybe we do yeah it starts it's for maybe we're gonna feel like that maybe we're just throwing darts at a dartboard that could be it too uh the rich get richer code did get used quite a bit it did get used a lot out there saving 25 that makes me smile every time i see that yeah and also the number of people that are in on the joke is growing exponentially one of my favorite parts about it is all the order comments we got so many order a ton of them and those are really those are special to see like it might sound kind of no it they really do mean a lot to see those come in i love it was it's almost to the point where if we get an order and there's not a comment i'm like it's more unusual i'm like you just bought a lot of stuff

and you don't have a single comment for us what's going on here you know we repost these people laugh at them but i do i do really like uh that we get to repost those and i think everyone collectively gets a good laugh out of those i get the feeling like some people are trying to like one up oh yes there's definitely that going on yeah for sure a lot of those. I get the feeling like some people are trying to like one up. Oh, yes. There's definitely that going on. Yeah, for sure. A lot of those comments. I don't know. Any other highlights on the.

Well, so this it was Thanksgiving weekend and it also happened to be. Oh, yeah, that's right. The insane. We don't even really talk about Thanksgiving, really. But we had an insane blizzard. Yeah, we did. And, you know, we like to give periodic weather updates around here. We do, especially over the winter.

We got 16 inches of snow, which doesn't happen like in one snowfall very often. You might get 16 inches over the course of a week or two if there's a few. Or a winter sometimes. Or a winter, yeah. But to get basically 16 in 24 hours, it was pretty crazy. So on top of that, we're like getting snowed in while this is going on and uh tanner you were basically stuck packing orders then there was a lot of uh order packing my son jet i employed uh my son jack pretty heavily over the weekend to help me out uh

running and packing and we because we were giving away free koozies and stickers and stuff too so he was slinging koozies and stuff and koozies with stickers and stuff too so he was slinging koozies and stuffing koozies with stickers and um yeah it was we stayed i stayed up until midnight a couple nights uh not like i was packing from get up at 6 a.m yeah yeah like we were there was it was i was managing my packing around our actual family activities you know at the end of the day it is a family right right you know so but when we weren't doing family holiday stuff, I was pretty much packing orders. And I really wanted to, not that it would have had to have happened. I wouldn't have even had to have stayed up that late doing it.

But I just really, when I went to work on Monday morning, I wanted to have all of them. To have that cleared from your mind. Because I've mentioned it on the podcast before. It gives me like kind of real anxiety if there's a lot of orders that I don't have packed. So here's my challenge, everyone. Just go order a bunch of stuff right now and see if you can give Tanner anxiety. Yes. It's a challenge.

Do it. And almost never does an order come in and I'm like, shit. Because I'm still always just excited because there's another order. But Black Friday is like one of those rare days. So say I'm still always just excited because there's another order. But Black Friday is like one of those rare days. So say I'm there, it's 12 at night, and I'm just like, oh, I just got like 12 done. That knocks the list down to like 30. I'm with only 30 out now.

And then I refresh it, and there's like four more orders, and I'm like, damn it. It was like the Game of Thrones, like the Battle of the Bastards when lines of guys are going down. You're like, all reinforcements are here no we're going down again and it was like just that happening yeah over and over right and i still like i still really like like it's still of course that it's such a it's i'm not even complaining about it but you've never had the sensation of losing ground right usually when i'm packing orders by the end of it i made ground and on friday saturday there was actually losing ground i was it was treading water wasn't even possible there at some points in time but it was really cool so normally

the way we ship our orders usps we always ship usps and normally i drop those off at what would you call that it's a it's a separate business but they have a post it's kind of like a copy center and it has a it has a it has a post office in it right right and it's on the way to work for you so you just swing by drop the stuff in yeah i drop it off there and the i mean i stop there every almost every day yeah and so the ladies they're all know me and i say oh how's the weather today it's good so 16 inches that sucks yeah that sort of thing um but so my pickup the back of my pickup i even had to park my car and drive my pickup so you know it was serious because the pickup came out and it

wasn't because of the 16 inches of snow because i the day before in that blizzard i drove my car to the gym yeah i didn't see that yeah because i didn't go because i'm like well there's no way i'll make it yeah and then i saw him like god is that really possible yeah i think you maybe just got a jump start on it well it was still snowing that day right yeah but it was pretty bad when i got there but that was like some of the heaviest of snowing one of the other guys when he got to the gym after i'd already been there for maybe 20 minutes he goes how long has your car been parked there? I was like, oh, I just getting started. He's like, you can't even see the tracks where you pulled in.

Yeah. I didn't even attempt to leave. I had every intention to go to the gym. And I woke up in the morning like, yep, this ain't happening today. I, of a point of pride, drive my car like that just to be like ah i don't didn't need my pickup yeah you truck people but actually when i got there in my car that was one of the few times where i thought might have made the wrong choice i'm really gonna be upset with myself if i get stuck on the way home because the snow plows had started too and what happens is when they go through an intersection

to get through that intersection becomes a the biggest hurdle well it gets to the point where the ridge that's left is can be a couple feet tall yes and your car cannot get through that intersection becomes the biggest hurdle. Well, it gets to the point where the ridge that's left can be a couple feet tall. Yes. And a car cannot get through that. Right. But luckily, you know, Ross was there at the gym and he was in his pickup. And I left at the same time as him and followed in his wake and made it out. And I got home and I was like, all right, thank God.

I didn't want to have to flag down someone to get pulled out and everything. But anyway, so I took my pickup full of orders and I did not go to the usual post office in that copy center that I typically do because. You had a you had a full payload. Yeah, a pickup load. And I knew that I had a feeling that the ladies there may be a little bit annoyed with me if I walked in with. Yeah, wrong place. With with with that many orders and i didn't even just want to carry them all through the door so what i did is went

to the big our big the actual central post office yeah you know it has mini loading docks and everything i walked in there's a line there because apparently you know this time of year everyone's at the post office no matter when you go even in a blizzard still a foreign concept to me but yeah um and i got up to the window after waiting about through five or six people and asked the lady or i said to said to her so i've got like a lot a large amount of packages they all have labels on them and the postage is all paid and everything but i wasn't sure if you really wanted me to carry them all through this front door here it's going to take a while and you know i don't know if you want to handle them all that way is there something else we can do she kind of

gave me a funny look i i figured this is not an like i can't be the only people dude that seems we can't be uncommon right right right but it kind of got to look like maybe it was a little uncommon um but maybe other people just know the system already they're not walking up to the window and doing this and she goes look well what's a lot and i was like a pickup full like the back of my pickups full of them and she goes well let me ask the guy in back uh brian was his name let me ask brian and when she said brian something clicked to me in my name or in my memory i was like oh that sounds familiar brian at the post office brian at the post office anyways she went back and came back out and she said yeah brian said you can pull around um to the back like to doc four or

whatever and he'll help you out so i backed up there and as soon as i pulled up i was like ah i do know who that is he um brian you would recognize him he competes in our local highland game every year he's does the masters and if you remember there's always like two masters guys that are big and are really good yeah and yeah he's one of those guys and i don't know if he recognized me right away at first but after i got out then he did and the last highland game i did you you weren't there after it was over we talked about it and he's listened to the listens to the podcast and you know yeah knows about massomics and everything and we talked about the gym quite a bit and he got out and i had posted on instagram a picture of all you know me and jack standing next to this mountain

of packages and he goes oh i saw that on instagram i wondered if you're gonna take that to qqp like you normally do or if you're gonna uh come to the main if you're gonna bring here and uh brian helped me with that and then i mentioned to him i was like oh i didn't get to do the highland games this year you know i uh tore my acl and he goes i know i listened to the podcast you know i know you know about it so thank you brian if you're listening to this brian is probably the you know he's the strongest uh postman and i want to think he's the strongest postal worker in the country. Someone has going to have to prove it, prove us different.

Yeah. Until someone can prove us wrong. I'm giving him that title. Yeah. Yes. Awesome. So we got to have a good chat and I always like the opportunity to have a good chat about mass.

So especially over a load of packages. Yeah. But it's, you know, it's funny. So what do they do? Do you just load it? Do they have like you pull up to like a loading bay? Yeah, I backed up to a loading dock like an actual semi would back up to.

And then they give you like a shovel to shovel them out. You know, I had filled like all of our clothes hampers that we had in our laundry baskets, I guess. I always say clothes hamper. Same thing. Laundry baskets. Yeah, tell my wife that. Isn't it the same thing? I guess not. I don't know. I always say laundry basket but i i assume you knew what i meant oh yeah to me that they are

interchangeable they're all in there and they just had like big uh carts on wheels that we just dumped everything into and then i don't know from there they're in brian's hands yep wow and i think a lot of those are hitting out uh you know those are starting to arrive but i was proud of that that we got them all out by the end of the weekend a i didn't want to have to worry about it through the week and continue to get farther behind but b i just thought i was like oh this people appreciate it if they order and get those not wait yeah right yeah but you know some companies they probably get 10 times the orders we do and they maybe they have a problem with that but like at this point we're still able

to keep those pumped out on a decent time schedule yeah and i would also assume the company's getting 10 times the order we do our full-on businesses yeah yes yeah really yes if i hope so if they're getting 10 times i don't know how they couldn't be yeah the numbers don't quite add up if that's the case no it's gonna take more than uh me and then my and an eight-year-old uh to keep it all moving yeah no that was it was really just again the whole thing was super awesome yeah it was really cool Hard to comprehend while this was taking place, but we are very, very grateful for all of the orders and all the support that we got. It does mean a lot to us,

and it is always shocking to just know that there is that behind us. Yeah, a weekend or a day like that, it makes us sit back and be like, oh, man. Maybe people do care. care yeah it's like this is cool like yeah that is crazy that is just the silly thing and now like that happened you know it's like it is hard to wrap your mind around though you know it's crazy yeah yeah it is it's just yeah kind of just run out of words to talk about it but yeah we uh we like to be shocked so hopefully uh that's not the last time we'll experience something like that no hopefully this hopefully

at least i bet this next weekend will be even better probably it's it's a weekend thing i think not a black friday it is apparent uh to me now that people like to buy stuff they're in they're in the shopping mode there's like everyone's do i think it's like a peer pressure thing it's like well everyone's buying did you buy anything on did you buy anything um no i didn't buy anything no i ordered one christmas present online but it was just because i kept planning to do it and i was like if i don't get this ordered they're probably not going to get it in time so yeah and it wasn't even on sale but i just did it because well that's the thing that's changed about black friday and i was reading a decent about that about that is that people are saying you know not that many

years ago black friday was like damn there's some crazy deals out here and now it's turning into less deals it well and even the deals are on things that are several years like when it comes to electronics there are several years old right or it's models that are almost, they're almost starting to make like, I think on TVs, they're literally getting to the point where they're making black Friday models where it might be the regular model, but they strip out some of the features to bring the price down.

So it makes a lot of sense. So, okay. Yeah. It's cheaper, but it's also less of a product. So yeah, black Friday is not quite what it used to be.

And I think, and I think it's because people are probably seeing what we're seeing. People just want to buy stuff that weekend. It's like, what do I need to put it on sale for? We're going to sell this even if we don't. People are just wanting to buy stuff. So why do we got to discount it? And I guess maybe it's the first order in the door.

We're still nice enough to put our lift shorts on sale. Yeah, we still do offer that 25% discount. Mixed up my words there. Don't want to do that. Yeah, we still offer that 25 cent discount. And people were very appreciative for it. Yes. Mixed up my words there. Don't want to do that. Yeah, we still offer that 25 cent discount and people were very appreciative for it. Yes. There's no shortage of people

that wanted to take advantage of that and we are happy to make their dreams come true. Yep. It's literally the least we could do. It is. The absolute least we could do. Our site doesn't allow us to run a discount where it actually charges you more. it is the absolute least we could do. Our, our site would not, doesn't allow us to run a discount where it actually charges you more.

I tried to see if that was a choice because I, I wanted to honestly do, do it where it just charges you 25 cents more and see how many people would actually let you do it. No, you can't do it. It's like, and it's like,

well, of course it can't. Why would they even build that? Can you imagine like a feature request? Like, Oh, someone's asking for a code to it. And it's like, well, of course it can't. Why would they even build that into it? Can you imagine a feature request? Like, oh, someone's asking for a code to charge more. They're like, no. And I was trying to figure out if there's a workaround for it or something.

And there's really nothing set up where you can charge more via a code. Well, yeah. You don't even have to think about it. It makes no sense. Except for our very rare situation. And our very limited business. I really wanted to see how many people would use it though.

Yeah, I think there'd be some people that'd be like, well, you already took everything, so it's 25 more cents. Like that would, that comment would have came in multiple times. Yes. Yeah.

Wow. So yeah, Black Friday, enormous success. Thank you guys a lot. It was awesome. Yep yep all right tanner we have lots lots of more lots of lots of things to talk about here i'm trying to think of i don't want us to get going and they get cut off by ads but um you know just just with where we're at we can probably just we'll stretch it out to fit however here so okay the next thing on my list that that's happening in the massonomics world that is like i'm just popping on instagram like

what does massonomics do i can't even keep up with this anymore the biggest craze sweeping the lifting world lifting sensation of the world and that is the jefferson deadlift yeah it really is it's big you know i it's. It is the hottest of hotness. There are some things happening around that. You know, we actually, I believe it was our episode last week. We talked about how all these all-time world records have fallen over the course of 28 days. And the biggest one was right underneath our nose. Add one more week to that.

And I think it's safe to say a new all-time world record has fallen. Yeah. And I want to think that. It a new all-time world record has fallen. Yeah. And I want to think that... It got broken three times since our last podcast. Yes. And I want to think that, you know,

we didn't break the record, but I want to think that we had a hand in the record even being attempted. Oh, there's no beating around the bush. The Jefferson deadlift thing has to have most... And we are... We did not invent the Jefferson deadlift.

No, and we are referring to the Jefferson deadlift here. This is what we're talking about. We are talking about the Jefferson deadlift all-time world record. And it's a very hard record to track because most meets don't do that lift. So there's open power lifting. There is federated. We do know that there are weird, not power lifting, but there's like this. I've got it all bookmarked and stuff, but there is like this lifting thing where the Jefferson deadlift is a lift.

And it can like pop up in Strongman. Like it's possible. Yes, yes, yes. But it's just recorded numbers of it are so hard to find. But we did have Rick. What's the WWE guy? Yeah, I always forget his name. We've been tagged in his things probably 4 000 times and what is his name i gotta look it up just to just to be official just to give credit

eric bugenhagen okay wwe was on record this was this was what was known as to us as the biggest jefferson for for about the past... Few years, yeah. 800 pounds he did a Jefferson deadlift. And why wouldn't that be the biggest one? And there was a Russian guy that's done 777 is what we had recorded as the second biggest. But that seems like, yeah, that would be the biggest. There'd be no reason for anyone to go bigger than that.

Right. So then Sean Green did a 805 pound... And this came out of nowhere. Out of the blue, yeah. Had you heard of Sean Green before this? No, Sean Green, the dead5 pound. And this came out of nowhere. Out of the blue. Had you heard of Sean Green before this? No, Sean Green, the deadlift machine. But no. I was, when I first saw that, I wasn't familiar with him.

Crazy strong guy. Yes, yes, very strong. And he had a video, he did 805 Jefferson. And then he followed up with conventional too, didn't he? Yes, he did both conventional and Jeffersonfferson both jefferson being the more more important so that would have that at that time broke what we hold as the unofficial official world record and i saw that pop out of nowhere and i was thinking this is really cool yeah i was not expecting that we didn't we didn't have a heads up on it or anything so all right all right. The Jefferson deadlift world record is moving.

This is exciting stuff. So we shared that and reposted it. And Steve Johnson DM'd and said, I'm going to break that. Forsaken Warrior. Yeah. For people that don't follow there. He said, ah, that's not going to be the record. Who also, what's his biggest deadlift ever?

909? Okay. I was going to say 903 or 905. But yeah, it's right in that low 900, which, yeah. Elite deadlift. Might have been the American record when he did it. Yeah, I think it was, actually. And maybe Chris Wiest did 915 or something like that.

The 308 American record. I don't know. Yeah. Where it gets tricky is, because Chris Wiest is at 308, and Forsaken Warrior was at super heavy, wasn't he? Maybe he is. I thought he's been at 308 before, but maybe he is at super. I don't know.

There is a weight class thing in there where there is some differentiation. But anyways, obviously everyone knows Forsaken Warrior, an enormous deadlift, like probably most well known for his large deadlifts i think and he messaged and said uh not so fast i'm gonna give that a try so he did and wearing the massonomics deadlifter shirt he pulled 810 which looked pretty easy i think i mean as far as an 810 pound deadlift goes i think it was by no means his max no you definitely watched and thought yep there's more there if you wanted to push it but why would he push it why would he push right and i think it's interesting to note um a jefferson deadlift i think maybe for some people is maybe not harder than their traditional deadlift or maybe i don't think it is maybe

even easier for some people i think it actually can be yeah maybe i also want i want to think that with like some training it probably actually could be an easier lift right right um from what the last time i did it it felt a little harder to me than but even even when you did it though just tweaking your form a little bit yeah yeah right right it's something that takes some it does have some technique to it yes yes definitely um but so he did the 810 pound uh jefferson deadlift for the new world record the new official unofficial massonomics world record and sean green had then already said i'm going to go for 900 pounds i'm going to load up on thanksgiving and go for 900 pounds and that's

like taking the record to a whole another yes another place yes and steve when he did 810 also said i don't know if he put this on his post or he i know he messaged it to us and said that was easy i think i can do at least 900 if not mid 900s so all of a sudden then we have this 900 pound battle what they just broke they're just the first and second people to do over 800 pounds with uh eric eric having done 800 even and now all of a sudden the number is going to be 900 well just on the way over to record this podcast sean green does 906 pounds out of again these are all just out of nowhere and it looked like a really fun gym environment when he did that like the guys just were like genuinely as they should yeah like and that wasn't like uh let's get hyped for uh instagram that was like

this is the real deal which i'm assuming he's never deadlifted 900 pounds before i'm not sure what his best deadlift is i guess i don't i don't you would think he hasn't done 900 pounds just because a 900 deadlift is so well and i think maybe he competes single ply that's what i thought i read in his bio okay yeah he's got the 275 class 920 pound world record single ply oh he does okay single. Okay. Single ply. But I don't think, uh, when he, when he did this,

he wasn't wearing a suit, you know, he was wearing barbell commission shorts as, as all Jefferson deadlifts are completely raw. Um, I'm just watching again as we speak here and he locks up. That's pretty crazy. Um,

but not, so we shared that on our Instagram then, and not more than five minutes after that, Steve says, what do you think is going to be better? If I do 900 for a set of two or three or do 910 for a single? And that was his response just right after Sean posted this, basically. So he's already planning on beating this in one way or another. And what is the answer? So Sean did 906 for a single. right after Sean posts this, basically. So he's already planning on beating this in one way or another.

And what is the answer? So Sean did 906 for a single. What's the answer? I think, to me, just because we're talking absolutes, like an all-time world record, to me right now the more exciting thing is, where does the top end, where is the limit with this thing? Like, where will it actually slow down? Because these guys are destroying the record time after time.

Yes. And I don't know. Are these guys going to do this? And then Caleb Willem's going to say, let me put my hand in the ring here. So Steve has that in his poll on his story right now. Does he? So we'll see what the people vote.

I think people will probably vote 9-10. I think so. I think people want to see the bigger list. so we'll see what the people vote i i think people will probably vote 9 10 i think so i think people want to see the bigger list yeah um but it we'll see i'll be we're we're uh we're gonna make sure he's got a jefferson deadlift shirt for when he does that you got to yes you got to but since we're talking about that and this comes out on Monday, something that we were talking about, we're going to do our own Jefferson deadlift competition of sorts. Yeah, we'll have more details on it coming, but we have some fun Jefferson plans for you guys out there. I don't know.

Yeah, keep an eye on our instagram page because we're going to have the details out on that but it's going to be there's going to be uh a sort of an online jefferson deadlift competition that everyone can get involved in and everyone could have a chance to win something you don't have to deadlift 900 plus to to win anything here yeah we'll have more rules but yeah there's going to be some there's just too much awesome stuff happening with the jefferson deadlift right now for us to not get everyone involved. So yeah, watch out. There's going to be more coming.

And the other thing with Jefferson Deadlift, Bar Bend also did a little write-up on it. Yes, on the Jefferson Deadlift and on Sean. And they were happy to give credit to where credit was due. There was a good amount of massonomics talk in that yeah i really liked that and what was i can't even remember the i read the article a few days ago they were just kind of just saying like all right this is what the jefferson trains and hits yeah i think they're just kind of talking about like the resurgence right right right and they did even mention in there that probably a big part of the reason for that resurgence could be credited to massonomics.

I mean, as of a year ago, I'd never heard of one a year ago. I'd seen it done. I never knew it was called the Jefferson deadlift. And, you know, I want to think that I wasn't the only one in that position either. Where it started for us is when we were on our trip back from the arnold on our drive and we watched someone do it and we talked about it or something and said well no it was because everyone had always had the sumo versus oh yeah yeah that's what it was and we started chiming in with the with the jefferson yeah right right and we're like oh like ass both sumo and conventional are both cheating you know like quit saying one of the

others cheating they're both cheating if there's, like quit saying one of the other is cheating. They're both cheating. If there's only one that counts here. That was the conversation we had. And we kind of chuckled and said, huh, yeah. And then we posted something. This does need to be a thing. And it actually caught on surprisingly fast. We thought it would take several months for anyone to even notice.

But people picked up on it in a hurry because you guys are smart. You know how this goes. Yes, but it really seems to. So it got an initial jolt of popularity where people bought bought into it but now with this with uh sean and steve taking the numbers to the next level people are kind of like oh yeah so i think we'll see more and more jefferson deadlifting i think with what we've got coming um more of you out there will be giving it a shot oh yeah we'll incentivize'll incentivize you to give it a shot.

There's incentives now. Yeah. We've got to have that incentive. Of course, we have our Jefferson Deadlift shirt that we've been selling, the one with Thomas Jefferson, the original inventor of the Jefferson Deadlift. But we might have some other stuff coming then, too.

Yeah. So keep on the lookout for that. So that's... And would you say that we are mostly responsible for the Jefferson Deadlift? I want to think so. I don't see anyone else pushing the Jefferson Deadlift. And if they are, it's just been in the last few months. I see people hashtag one true deadlift that do not follow us.

And I'm like, that is so weird to me that you've picked up on this one true deadlift thing, which we made up that hashtag for it. But they don't even follow us. And it's like, that's weird that you're not aware of us, but you're aware of like that still at this point. There's just enough hype around it. It's developing a life of its own. I guess that's, you know, it's like watching when your kids grow up and send them out and be an adult. Yeah.

They're out in the real world just doing their thing now. I just wish the best for them. Yep. For the Jefferson deadlift. We'll check back in on him. So that has been exciting. Yeah. As all of Asinomics things are.

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They should be. They are. I've got faith in those companies. They've got faith in us. So we've got faith in them. Tanner, there was some powerlifting drama. I love a little good internet powerlifting drama. And that drama is around not Reebok record breakers.

The meat formerly known as Reebok record breakers. Slingshot record breakers. Now slingshot record breakers. Now nothing. And so there it is. The meat no longer exists. And so I think a lot of people were surprised that the meat doesn't exist because it is one of the more popular meats yeah it's one of the top 10 power

lifting meats for sure right yeah yeah definitely it definitely in america yeah i mean you could maybe even see one of the top 10 in the world possibly but uh yeah it's it always has an impressive roster of lifters there's always always some all time world records broken, some great performances. Um, but the one thing that they're always a little lax on is the judging. I don't think that's even arguable, right? I don't think so.

No, I, I think it's just what they're known for at this point. Yeah. Yeah. And you don't have to be like that hard of a fan to know that. Right. That's you can't argue that fact like that that that is a

fact that there's nothing you can say about that so uh people know that that's just the way it is at that meet sure whatever but um they decided they weren't decided they're not having the meet anymore and i think jesse burdick was kind of it was he's the meat director yeah it is it is his because people are kind of getting on mark bell you know like oh where's this going what's going on but it's like well jesse is and i think he's owning up you know he's trying to make sure people knew that too that it's you know it's it was his decision to do that to stop holding the meat that was his decision it wasn't mark bell or slingshots decision to do that yeah and he was trying to make sure people knew that because i think mark bell was getting some

hate like oh well because it's really easy just to yeah to hate hate on like everything's mark salt yes right right right so did you say did you have some a little bit yeah i talked to him and just seeing what's going on and nothing i mean nothing that you wouldn't just figure out of what the reasons are but basically just like not i mean really the thing i think he's just not fun for him at this point so he's not going to continue to do it you know the the what he gets out of it doesn't equal what he has to put into it anymore and that was really his real reason i'm I'm sure, you know, he's just kind of tired of dealing with the bullshit and, you know, that was what he said. Yeah.

You know, it's like, but I mean, it's like, well, the most of the flack that they caught was because of the judging. So everyone just says, well,

can't you just, I think that was all the flack. Yeah. Really? Yeah. No, no, that was it.

That was it. A hundred percent. Yeah. I even worded that incorrectly. Like, I think that was the only criticism people had about it but um what people would say is couldn't you just correct that and just say judge better or just get different judges right one of those because they historically kind of get i don't know if they did it this year or not, but it's like the Stan Everding. The guest judges.

Yeah, the celebrity judges. That may or may not have also recorded lifts while they're judging in the past. Yeah, right, right. Things like that. Didn't Stan do that? Yeah, like that don't look good ever. Like what sporting event ever has a referee recording something on his phone while he's reffing? Yeah, that's a good point.

That's a very bad look for any sport. Maybe he was just trying to test out video recording lifts for judging so he could look back. That's not the official way to do that. But I mean, I can see it even if Jesse I'm sure he

realizes that that's the thing that's going on and I suppose he's just like, ah, screw it. I don't even want to do it anymore.'s just a headache and i can i can totally picture that but yeah also maybe someone else will pick it up and like can almost do the same thing in sort of the similar place and still call it sling slingshot record breakers it could exist still but also like when that meet you know since that meet, since when it was Reebok record breakers, I don't know how many years the meet actually goes back. It goes back at least four, maybe five, right? I would think, yeah.

I bet it's one of those two, you know, four or five years. Yeah. And, you know, since then there's been, there's been a lot more. I don't, I don't think the, the U S open existed at that time. I think it was before that. Yeah. It probably was around for a year. The tribute meet for sure didn't exist then. Right. And, you know, big dogs would have been starting right aroundS. Open existed at that time. I think it was before that, yeah. It probably was around for a year or two before. The Tribute Meet for sure didn't exist then.

And, you know, Big Dogs would have been starting right around then. Right at the same time, yeah. Or maybe even after. Boss of Bosses could be older than that. I think it could. Either that or it's right around the same time, too. But just the number of Premier Meats has grown significantly. So, you know, if it existed for one year and it went away, it'd be like, ooh, wow, what will replace that?

Right now there are other options. It's just to me, it's good for the sport for there to be these more premier events. But with that, you want to see premier events being held to a premier standard. And the comments I saw from all the lift, pretty much all the lifters that have ever done it before is how much they enjoyed doing that meat. Like Kaler said it, you know, he's done it two or three times and pretty much every lifter, um,

uh, the love bug. Herbie. Yeah. Um, he said he, it's one of his favorites to do. I'm sure boss of bosses is up there for him too,

obviously, but just all of them that do it say how much they enjoyed that meat and maybe it's because well they enjoyed it because they were going to get they knew the lifts were going down as long as i don't get buried on anything i'll be okay but they did from a freeing feeling yeah from the lifter standpoint it sounds like it was really a fun meet for them to do and i'm sure yeah i would imagine those guys uh know how to run a meet and they obviously have the the funding behind it too another thing though like the payouts for that meet in particular aren't on par with the tribute meter no not anymore no um you know if they're paying out a thousand dollars for someone to break a record or something. Yeah, it's not up there with those ladies.

Right, right, right. But still, just to break an individual lift record, if you're going to do it, you know you're going to get $1,000 to do it. And maybe you still aren't someone that can win the tribute meet or the... Yeah, I mean, it's cash, but at the same time, a lot of these guys gotta fly there right yeah yeah kind of maybe they're maybe some of those guys they're paying them to come do it maybe they're paying kaylor to lift there or something too but maybe not maybe

yeah you're still not doing it no no yeah i can try and spin it every way to really even make money and really it's a thousand dollars like if you think about in terms of real life like that just dis like even if you're uh financially responsible like a thousand dollars um yeah like everyone wants a thousand bucks but but also that just disappears into life pretty easy easy yeah yep or even if you just save it your life is not different at all unmeasurably different you know like someone gives you ten thousand dollars like it's not gonna for most people really isn't gonna change their life that much but let's figure out a way to spend it yeah that's how it'll change it'll manifest itself into stuff that's true but besides that yeah it won't change much but anyway so i guess that the record breakers is not going to be a thing anymore going forward unless someone else

picks it up but and why wouldn't why wouldn't slingshot just if someone else is volunteering to do it they would wouldn't they they'd probably tie their name to do it again maybe i would just assume maybe they don't want to be tied up with that they're yeah the headache of it because remember mark bell they used to have the the super training meat backyard meat yeah and to me this is i don't know whether this is actually what it was but to me this is kind of like what that evolved into it went from right from the backyard meats to the to the record breakers yeah that kind of seems like right because it's sort of the same crew that meat sort of went away this one came in and it was kind of meant to be that really elite one but uh yeah i don't know it seems weird to me to think that mark bell probably wouldn't

have be associated with like a premier meet of some kind but right just because you know he's still at the end of the day that's what his living is based around powerlifting right yep yeah i don't know but also on the topic of mark bell there's one thing that i've been noticing tanner and i'm not one of those guys there's a lot of people that love to hate on mark like we were just talking about and we weren't hating on him no no no but like how it's just easy to hate yeah he's an easy target because he's very popular and he's just the biggest name yeah and so i understand or i see why people do that yeah it's it's the easiest thing to make jokes about you know it's you pick the biggest name it's like we've made jokes there's

a reason a lot of comedians make jokes about trump he's just the easiest target for that right now right they may or may not be funny but there's there's there's the reason why people are doing that there's easy targets for stuff and right in the powerlifting world mark bell is that person because he's one of the biggest names uh i'm hoping i'm just ignoring the dog so if anyone's watching and just be like wow that guy doesn't pay attention i'm just hoping he'll go away but they probably can't quite see it on camera yeah he probably can't but he's getting very annoyed that we're going so late but uh so mark bell one thing that i've noticed about him lately and i like I said, I'm not going to be that guy that's going to be hating on Mark Bell.

Like, oh, he's the worst. Because he's not. He's not the worst thing that happened to any of this. But all of his posts are almost all related to keto and food. Almost all of them. Almost all of them. And there's one thing specifically that I think is like, almost like, it's comical. It's funny.

And that is, he started to have a lot of posts about how you need to be, you know, doing your keto diet and eating all your meat. And, you know, those carbs are ruining your life and those carbs are so addicting. Those carbs own you and how you need to be on intermittent fasting. And, you know, you need to be, you need to be bigger than food. Don't let food own you. You need to be in control. Yeah, don't let food control you. You make the decisions.

You make the food. Yeah, food doesn't run your life. And I'm thinking all you post about is how food shouldn't run your life. And you don't want, it's like, you've almost gone the complete other way to the extreme that food runs your life because that's what you post about.

Right. Right? Hasn't he kind of gone the complete? At least in maybe not the original way he's talking about food running your life, life because that's what you post about right right hasn't he kind of gone the complete at least in maybe not the original way he's talking about food running your life but food is running his life in in that this is what i talk about it's what i post about that's what i produce content about i have to preach about this all the time like you've gone to the he's gone to the the pendulums completely swung the other way from you he would call as being a 350-pound fat guy or whatever he was at to now being 200 pounds or whatever he is.

But one was the guy that wanted to eat everything, and now the other end is the guy that says you can only eat five things. The five things that fit into these categories, these five categories. You have to stay here and don't –'t also only do it during certain times also add in these supplements but don't let food ruin your life or don't let food run your life and i'm just thinking like you're still the same person you're still a person that's completely consumed by food habits and how it affects you and whereas before maybe you didn't talk about it and and it ran your life now you talk about it and it runs your life because Now you talk about it, and it runs your life because you do talk about it. Yeah, and I think for him at this point, it probably basically all revolves around...

It's all business. Yeah, it's all... Like every post he has, it is. The one I still don't completely get is from a monetary standpoint, what he has to gain pushing a keto diet as hard as he does. I think he has a book. So I think he has a book. He has like a keto diet as hard as he does. I think he has a book. So I think he has a book.

He has a keto supplement. And I don't know if he gets some type of kickback from Stan for pushing the vertical diet a little bit too. I don't know if that exists. But I just keep thinking, man, you push that really hard. And also, I don't know if it's because it feels like he's basically exhausted every powerlifting resource you could do. Right.

And it's just so much of that he can do. Yeah, I've produced everything powerlifting resource you could do. Right. And it's just like I don't have – So much of that he can – Yeah. I've produced everything powerlifting-wise I can over the last eight years. Right. So I guess I got to move on to diet. So I switched gears to this so I have something – And keto can be that thing.

And so that's just where it's like I don't care enough about diet to – That's what I was going to say. I just have no interest in it. Yeah, diet is – And there's people that – I think a lot of our listeners have an interest in diet. And I shouldn't say I have no interest yeah diet is uh there's people that i think a lot of our listeners have an interest in diet and i shouldn't say i have no interest in i have an interest in like a healthy sustainable diet but you don't have that much interested interest in specific diets

well and there's also the same reason i don't care about people that i don't listen to podcasts where people talk about only being vegetarian just because i think it's annoying to hear people only talk about their diet it's one of the it's annoying to hear people only talk about their diet it's one of the most annoying subjects to hear people talk about is their diet because anyone that's on a diet or is adhering to some specific type of diet thinks it's the best diet ever yeah and dogmatic usually their goal is to can spread the word and convert people to that diet and that's just where the diet thing i don't care about it yeah you know there's a lot of ways to do it there's a lot of ways to be healthy yeah a lot of ways to do it and to say like only one of

them is right is absolutely wrong yeah people get to be zealots about it and um dogmatic and yeah like yeah and you know with all these like you're hyped on it mark bell's not going to be on a keto diet for the rest of his life. He's not going to be on that until the day he dies. It's possible. He could. But statistically, he's not going to be. It's the same thing with people that are vegetarian.

Statistically, you're not going to be vegetarian at some point. You're going to go back. With all of these, it's just, I don't know. I probably sound like an old man venting over here, but to me, that's one of the more lame parts of Instagram, online. Yeah, I'm just not into it, too. I've never really liked the post. I just see the post and go, right by, and it's on to the next thing. But it goes back to on him.

All of his stuff is that way. There's not very many of his posts that are like oh this is interesting i want to see what he's actually up to because it's all mark you know it's like all marketing oh yeah oh mark's cooking a steak today yeah yeah okay cool i guess yeah so but he obviously what he does works for what he's trying like i mean like whatever he's selling or whatever you know it's apparently working i i see him take trips yeah like flying first class overseas so clearly making lots and lots of money buying a new suv yeah doing that thing too so yeah he's clearly rolling in hundreds of thousands of dollars probably monthly even right right but it's that slingshot money baby i think it is the slingshot money right well that's certainly the start like i think it's

the slingshot hip circle knee sleeve yeah i don't think they're killing it that much in apparel no i mean their apparel sucks yeah like yeah i don't like their apparel i would i guess there's nothing wrong with it but there's nothing exciting about it i i would even think that well i don't know you know to me almost like i wonder if their apparel like crescendoed at a certain point and like uh yeah i just to me it's if you're gonna look at in my head if you said where does mark bell's money product wise come from it's number one well i think they've said number one it's the hip circle yeah i think the hip circle because it transcended powerlifting

so far you know it's and then probably behind that is probably actually now probably like sleeves sleeves i think if you lump sleeves together and that and the slingshot those are the beats i would put slingshot probably at number three on that yeah yes it might even be it's probably even below the wraps are probably even above that you know yeah wraps i'm sure they have 10,000 variations of them but those that's where the money's at for sure like there's you know and then he's got everything else beyond that books and maybe some supplements and all that stuff but i think those i want to say you know with the whole 80 20 rule i'm thinking 80 of the income is coming from those those three or four uh yeah yeah really like two product categories yeah really one product category uh stretchy canvas that you put on

different parts of your body yes you have the apparel on there and there it can't i mean no it can't be that but like i question like how much more apparel they sell than we do almost where i'm like how many shirts did people buy from them on black friday i guess i mean like oh and you also have to assume that their markup on we know oh yeah we understand the t-shirt business we know the markup on a shirt yeah uh we really know the markup on a on the pair of shorts we do that but i bet we sell more shorts than they do yeah but wraps they got to be getting those things from china for like oh yeah do you think they pay a dollar for any of them and i just think the quantities that they're

well i know that's something do you think any of them actually cost them a dollar i i bet at this point in time i don't know probably you're talking low dollar numbers yeah and then they're probably and then what do they sell most rap sell for 30 plus who said it to us the one time that well matt was talking about buying stuff overseas oh yeah i said you yeah that's what you said you don't get to be uh the millionaire by buying high and selling low and that's absolutely why you buy stuff in china is because it's really really cheap right that's i mean you're probably sitting right now listening to this on devices made in China, wearing clothes made in China. And so Mark's not doing anything unusual here.

He's doing what everyone, what actually most people in the business world are doing. But I would just assume his margins are crazy on those wraps. Yes. You know, a hip circle, that is just a band of slightly more durable elastic yeah they basically and and produce that what does that thing go for 25 30 bucks yeah they that's probably just a certain stock item of elastic that they produce and they just said yeah tie that in a circle sew that in a circle and that's what there's a machine that probably goes all right four feet cut four feet cut four feet cut and then's what... There's a machine that probably goes, all right, four feet, cut, four feet, cut, four feet, cut,

and then it runs right into a sewing machine and it pops them out. And then some of them are different colors. And there's... Hey, but we've got... I'm not saying this to knock on them because I would love to be able to make... I mean, it'd be amazing to make money that way.

It just seems like, wow. And here we are, the guys with the Lyft shorts talking about people. Yeah, I know, I know. Well, there's always someone better, Tanner. That's right. We can never be the best. For now. But we can be the best at selling shorts, I guess.

That's true. We do have the market pretty well cornered on that. Yeah. And then on the topic of Instagram, this, I noticed this today. And by the time you got here tonight, it was not doing this for me anymore. But from the time I woke up checking Instagram multiple times throughout the day, there was an insane number of ads on my Instagram. And to the point where I rolling through, I'm like, I almost can't even keep up with my post because there's so many ads in here,

and I'd never seen them like this before. They were all, it looked just like a regular post, and then just underneath where the location is, it just said sponsored or whatever, and they were all swipable ones, and they were all ads, and to the point where I said, whoa, whoa, and I went, look, it was every fourth post was an ad,

every fourth one, and in my head, I thought, this is actually, like, this is the tipping point. This is unusable. You think about it. Where they're going to screw Instagram to the point where people. Well, yeah, this is absolute. Like, okay, let's just say you go through Instagram and you have 100 posts. 100 posts doesn't take that long to go through.

You now have 125 posts. Right. You know, if you have 200 posts. And 25 of them you don't want to see yeah and then if you have 200 posts now you have 250 posts you're going through and it was it was obvious that this is a and then on top of that they make it look so much not like an ad that you have to stop on everyone for because the ones i was i had one for mike rashid he was you know that shitty exercise bike we have at the gym? The old one? Oh, yeah.

I had an ad for Mike Rashid on that old shitty... It was the same one with that red wheel on it. Why do I have an ad for Mike Rashid on an exercise bike? What is going on here? Didn't he get busted for steroids? I don't know. I didn't read the ads, but I had one for Nike, Adidas. It felt like my Instagram was broke. So obviously that didn't happen to you then.

Or at least not to the point where you noticed. Today I was a little over busy and I really didn't scan my Instagram feed very much. So I can't really give a good opinion on that. But they do say Facebook and Instagram are always rolling out features. And testing. And just randomly users. I've noticed that for sure. So you could, I mean, anyone listening right now could potentially open up Instagram and see a version of it that almost no one else does because they're always testing things.

Yeah, and sometimes, you know, they do these things that get rolled out and everyone freaks out and then they disappear really quick too. Yep, they go away. Yeah. I'm still waiting. Supposedly the no likes thing is supposed to hit sometime. Yeah, what's up with that? I feel like that one's been getting hyped for a very long time. Why don't they just do it?

What's the... I don't know what the deal is there. But yeah, it's not happening yet. What are they waiting for, Christmas? Could be. Oh, and I got one more thing to complain about, Tanner. All right. And do you have Disney Plus?

No. You have Verizon, though, don't you? On my phone? Yeah. Yeah, my phone's live. Are you on an unlimited plan? Yes. But I have a weird unlimited plan.

You do have, yeah. You do have the weird grandfather thing. Yeah. So maybe it's, does that matter? Well, I don't know. You can find out. So Disney Plus came out. You know, a lot of content.

I don't particularly feel like buying it but verizon has a promotion where if you're on an unlimited verizon plan okay they will buy a year of disney plus for free for you so okay free stuff i give verizon way too much money for what they give me in return i will get something out of it yeah um so yeah okay is there a catch that to that at all no it's just they give you a free year and then you have to remember to cancel you have to remember to cancel so yeah but they give you a free year so you go in and do that and i think hey okay awesome i'll be on board for this i'll take advantage of my free year so i go into the app you go into the add-ons find disney plus hit add push your two buttons boom it says congratulations you have disney plus like wow that was really easy

like i think i'll get like an email or anything no email comes through it's kind of weird whatever all right so i go to the app on my phone you know the app downloads that goes all right click star wars all right cool yeah all right all the shows are right here they're playing i'm you know cycle through a few. Yeah, yeah, everything works. Awesome, okay. And this was, had some friends over. So I was like, guys, let's watch some Disney Plus show.

Let's see what's on here. Let's check this out. So get the app on the TV, download on Roku, log in. Username doesn't exist. Ah, okay, typed it wrong. Password doesn't work. All right, I definitely typed that wrong. Let's try that again. Password still doesn't work. All right. I definitely typed that wrong. Let's try that again.

Password still doesn't work. All right. One more time. I was going to give a three. Password still doesn't work. All right. Well, technically, I did just set up the account. There's probably some code that needs to do some talking here.

I'll give it a little bit of time. And this was on a weekend. Didn't have much going on. So waited probably a half hour. Okay. Let's check this one more time. And this was on a weekend. Didn't have much going on. So waited probably a half hour. Said, okay, let's check this one more time. Password still doesn't work. Okay, that's really, really weird. So I go back to my email.

I'm like, it's also strange I never got an email confirming this in any way. Go to my email, nothing. I'll check my junk filter. Nothing in the junk. Just never got an email. And so that day, just never get to work. Frustrated, annoyed, done with it, whatever.

Okay. So, all right. Done with Disney Plus for that day. A week goes by. We get back from Thanksgiving. Tell my wife, you know, we're sitting here. We should watch some Disney Plus. She says, yeah.

I said, okay, you know what? I'll get this figured out. So I go to log in. It's definitely going to work now. Doesn't work. Same thing. Password does not work. And so I start Googling things.

Some people seem to be having the same issue. They say, well, just change your password. That kind of resets the whole system you'll get in. So I go, and at this point, I change my password. And now when I change my password, I put a new one in and now when I log into the app, it says you don't have an account at all. So now my app that I have used before

says you don't have an account. But that's not true because I've watched Star Wars on this phone. I've watched it. I didn't do anything to sign up for a free account. I didn't hit any of that stuff. I just logged in with what it gave me the first time. Yeah.

So I'm annoyed. And so I so i say okay i'll call disney so i go and call disney and did walt answer walt did not answer walt did not answer someone else did but first yeah i think it was what kind of mickey mouse operation he has running over there so this is where i know all right i'm going in the rabbit hole of things where I already in my head I'm thinking there's like a 98% chance I'm not going to be happy with the outcomes of this. So I call Disney and it says, your estimated wait time is 10 minutes. I hang up right away. I'm not waiting 10 minutes. My wife goes, why did you hang up? You can just hang out.

I go, fine. Okay, I'll call them back. So I call them back. They say five minutes. Sweet. That was a hang out. I go, fine. Okay, I'll call them back. So I call them back. They say five minutes. Sweet. That was a good choice. I jumped some spots in line, even better. That was my first mistake, thinking it would be five minutes.

It took about 14. Okay, sure. That's tech support in this current day and age. It's shitty. It's not customer service. It's just you're a number. You're waiting. And so the person, naturally, it turns into a very quick thing of, oh, no, no, this isn't our problem.

This is Verizon's problem. And then I do the whole thing of, well, so if I call Verizon, are they just going to tell me, no, this is Disney's problem? Because I feel like I feel like I'm going to be stuck in that circle here pretty quick. And I'm getting mad at this point. You know, I'm getting annoyed. And I'm a patient person but where i'm not patient is when i'm dealing with multi-billion dollar companies that can't get their shit to work because this is the whole point of these companies right right to like have shit work so after like 10 minutes of the conversation going absolutely nowhere and

them telling me well you don't have an account when i clearly have because i've watched shows before i say okay i'll call Verizon. So I call Verizon now. And Verizon has the thing where, okay, yeah, your estimated wait time is 15 minutes, but we'll save your spot in line and call you back. Have you had that happen with anything? I've done that before. Yeah, a few more places have that, which is fine.

Okay, cool. All right, Verizon's going to call me back. Enter your number. Do-do-do-do, whatever. Okay, we will call you back then. Thank you. Hang up the phone never get a call back and now now i'm like oh yeah these people are trying to kill me yeah and i was so

you want to get it figured out just because like just like but also i'm like god i'm like losing so much of my life to these people they're taking it from me and so uh yeah i guess at that point i was so frustrated that um well i mean that point is like 10 o'clock at night i just like oh i waited three hours i never got a call back um so i have nothing to report i still don't have disney plus there's no conclusion to the story so i'll have to report back i guess what i'm saying is these are all first world problems but a lot of people say these are first world problems you're're complaining about first world things. But I'm paying first world money. I live in a first world society.

I have first world expectations. And my expectations are not, let's make it easy. Let's make my, Verizon and Disney have life too hard. My expectation is no. These companies make how much money every year? They own how much stuff? Figure your shit out. Yeah.

You know? Yes. I think that's fair. So all I'm saying, guys, is if you have Verizon or Disney+, be careful. You could be losing a lot of – know what you're getting into because they will take you for a trip here. I was excited when you said that it is free. I was like, ooh, maybe I could – It is free.

And people have it working. There are people that have it i'm just not one of them i don't know if i can it's not for a lack of trying i don't know if i could uh we have like within our family we have this like circle ring of sharing uh streaming services so we only pay for one streaming service but we have hbo amazon prime netflix and hulu yeah and we pay for one of those so fair as i don't know if i i don't know if uh a fifth one would do me to get at this point or just like further make it so i don't know what they do have a lot of content they do have a lot every business it's

so it's hulu tied to them well disney disney so disney owns hulu disney owns star wars disney owns marvel disney i don't know if they own National Geographic, but National Geographic's on there too. So on Disney+, you get National Geographic, all the Marvel movies, all the Star Wars movies, all the Disney movies, all the Disney original movies, all the Disney channel from back in the day, all the series that were on there.

On top of other stuff like Boy Meets World and those things are on there too. Hilary Duff. Yeah, yep, yep. All that stuff. So there's a lot of content on there. Boy Me hillary duff yeah yep yep all that stuff yeah all that so there's a lot of content on there but boy meets world good show yeah i'm curious to know how it would hold up whatever happened at topanga uh i think i saw an instagram post not that long ago it was like the

cast and she still looks like the same and everyone else looks like they've turned into old old men um the boy from boy meets world um what's his i don't know what his name is or the actor or the person i can't remember is it cory i want to say older brother is it okay i it's like that's how long it's been since i've seen the show i can't i'm wrong but i can't even remember maybe maybe it is no i think you're right i think it's core Corey. I just, my head, I remember Corey. I think maybe Sean was Corey's friend. Sean was Corey's friend, yeah. Yeah, Mr. Feeny. Corey's brother, older brother is,

did you ever watch The Wonder Years? I never watched that show, no. Okay, the boy from The Wonder Years was close to our brothers. Yeah, I always struggled with sitcoms as a kid. That just didn't keep my interest yeah boy meets world was about as close as i got to yeah to watch really more of a kid so it was yeah like i didn't do full house as a kid that just didn't didn't do it for me yeah danny

tanner yeah i think he has some pretty like uh off-color comedy too now yeah yeah even bob saget kind of does too or wait maybe i'm confusing my bob saget and those two right now or wait see i don't know i don't know the other guy's name i you're talking about the good the goofy guy right no no i was thinking about bob saget okay yeah bob saget has some kind of yeah like if you watch like the roast of bob saget like he does he's a comedian you know he has it's just like you wouldn't expect that out of him. Right, right. But, yeah, he has. No, I wasn't talking about Joey. Okay. I think that Uncle Joey.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's who I thought you were. But Aunt Becky. Going to the big house. Yeah, right, right. Just cheating college too many times, and the lawman will get you. Yeah, that's right. What are we sitting at here, Louie?

We're a cool 67 minutes deep. What are your thoughts on overrated and underrated for this week? We might as well do it. All right, let's just do it. We can't break that streak. Yeah, I know. That's honestly the biggest thing to me. I know.

It's a streak. It's a streak. I might have to go back and look and see when we started it and see what our streak is. It's probably been about a year i bet you think so i think so yeah i probably that is a streak because when brad came the last podcast brad did was uh around this time last year and we had been doing under over for a little bit oh we had okay because we asked him some over under questions okay damn that's a lot

of overrated it is and i should caveat that there could always be repeats at this time and we wouldn't know but then again you probably don't know so it's okay yeah i'm not even i might just stop addressing that because nobody will know any different maybe my mind has changed yeah last we'll go over last week's topics real quick like we like to see how the people voted off of instagram i do have one complaint about this already about what the people voted yep uh legos you said underrated yep and everyone was in very good agreements on that 79 underrated watchman the hbo series you said under i said underrated and people did not agree no 64 overrated which isn't huge but i also want to

assume a lot of those people have not seen it that's typically the way that shows or movies go on here people that haven't seen it they're not not voting they're just saying overrated so it's hard shows and movies have to be really good almost anything really has to be pretty good to get an underrated has to be lego quality yeah yeah but yeah they said people said uh did say overrated on watchman the hbo series goosebumps books i said overrated people 63 underrated nostalgia yeah i guess i like the image that yeah i thought that was really funny i didn't even almost catch it at first i was like this kid just discovered masturbation it's an actual goosebumps cover and yeah um last one the topic was rick and morty i said overrated and the people said overrated 55

pretty close i'm assuming because a lot of people like me have not seen it myself either i like i said last time i watched about 10 minutes but yeah i just thought of the standard uh i don't want to forget i really enjoyed the fan submission of the podcast of the workaholics comparison oh that was great that was really good that was shout out to i can't remember who did that now you know who you are yeah you're probably watching this if you knew to me even draw that can draw that you do you have it i'm gonna try and look okay because you should get credit for yeah that was good and what i said is like well you two uh blake is a pretty easy uh-huh like thing was like, oh, the picture you captured of me versus Adam wasn't even that bad.

I was like, oh. Ryan's gotten the Ders thing several times, too. So Ryan could be the Ders. And he does have that tall. It's big bri baby. Big B-R-Y-B-A-B-Y. Yes. And what he did is he took the Workaholics guys and transposed our don't curl in me flag in between them.

And they're looking at each other like we as we sit and look like this as we record the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. And he put the lift leg cut out in between. That was really funny. Yeah. Like you might have to. We shared that on the story, but that's almost worthy of just sharing as a straight up post.

I think. Yeah, it's good. was good okay this week's overrated or underrated topics are you ready i am ready topic number one overrated or underrated mad libs is what what what are mad libs is it the the writing thing or what is it mad libs is when um it's a story and there's words missing you and it'll just say it'll say noun oh and you just put something in yeah and you write it a game isn't there games like that though um i suppose that they probably spun off into games but it's it's where there's a story that the story maybe by itself isn't that humorous but it'll say the blank dog and you

and it'll say adjective so you write an adjective and you'll say the horny dog right and by the end of it you have this uh silly story that. Did blank to a fire hydrant. Right, right. So you obviously aren't that. No, but like, does it come in a book? Yes. And it has these different ones and you fill them out. But like, you're supposed to just do it on your own.

Like, to me, that seems like something you do as a game with people. Isn't it? Or you just sit there at your desk and just go. I think it was funny for kids. Oh, is that what it was i remember having them when i was a kid i never okay never and i think it did get turned in to probably games that worked in a similar way to that but the original mad lives i believe was a book of those stories that were you filled in actually i'm saying that wrong i think

it gave i don't even think you read the story wrong. I think it gave... I don't even think you read the story and filled it in. It gave you a list at the top of the page that said adjective, noun, verb, and you filled all those in. And then you inserted them into the story. Oh, and just see how it played out? Yeah, and it said like noun one. Gotcha.

You know, maybe that... I don't know. I'm struggling to remember that exactly but i think it i think it has potent there has if a game doesn't exist of that we probably need to look into that right now yeah yeah um because there's probably money to be made there because it's not that different from like an apples to apples or cards against humanity thing really right uh you know in a more adult version 12 different versions of that same game at this point yes there are.

That's like the most popular game I think is to the point where it's like played out. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's almost like lost its luster, but, uh, I,

I'm going to say overrated just cause I'm not familiar with it enough. And I don't, I don't, I just don't get it enough. Okay. Maybe if I, maybe if I did a few, I'd be like,

this is the thing. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going gonna go overrated i guess as a kid if nothing else as i thought about it like taught you uh like reading and parts of parts of speech yeah but is that is that who it's marketed to kids so that's where i'm confused again if it's like it is i don't know it's like getting kids reading and doing stuff i'll say underrated but i i don't know enough about who's even marketed that i'm not even sure i'm not sure i think it is but i don't know well

i'll say overrated okay overrated or underrated foam rolling i'm thinking on the occasional gym so i yeah i i always foam roll my back quick at the gym, if for no reason other than my back cracks like four times when I do it. And I just think like, all right, that's loosening me up a little bit. I'm not sure it actually does a whole lot, other than it just gets me moving around before I start lifting. I do think it's probably overrated as a tool that people rely. I don't think like, oh, I foam rolled and just everything's good.

I do have to say though, one time, whether it's coincidence or not, I don't know, but this is the only time it's ever happened in my life. It was about two years ago. I was getting severe. I don't even know if you'd call it tendonitis or like muscle.

It wasn't even like, it was maybe some extreme muscle tightness or something on squatting to the point where my legs would be in pain. Squat is never, ever, ever bugged me ever. Like squat is like the one lift that can just feel good. Even when it's terrible, nothing hurts.

I mean, it's hard, but nothing hurts. But it was the point where like up through my like upper thigh especially, it would go down to my knees. But yeah, it was more up in my upper thigh just extreme tightness and if i sat for very long it would just get really killer and i was reading around and one of the things that i i read said you need to do our foam rolling like if you really focus on foam rolling that'll loosen that area up because it would be if i'm doing five sets of five the fourth set it was like things were finally

loose and felt good and then all the warm-up sets the three sets before that felt like crap so it's like oh i had two sets that even felt decent with the last two yep and that was i would take you know we have a big pvc pipe down there yeah and i would just like lay on that thing and dig in yeah and i made a focused effort um and like really hitting that spot and the the pain would be there for the first couple warm-ups but then by the time i got going it was gone and i'm like oh okay and after like sticking with that consistently for like two months it it went away and i've never had to go back to that area and it's never came back either so i don't know if just one of those weird things of where you were at in training and that's what was going on but that's the only time i ever felt

like a foam rolling did something and again i can't even say and that's what was going on. But that's the only time I've ever felt like a foam rolling did something. And again, I can't even say if that's what it was or if it was just, I was getting, I was already getting over it. It's, it's hard to say. I don't know,

but I think people maybe rely on it as a crutch a little too much. I don't, I don't think it's a wonder cure at all. Right, right, right. I think it's just something you do and you're moving and maybe something's happening and there's i don't know there's some signs that supports it i think kind of yeah but

i'm still gonna say overrated okay overrated on foam rolling topic number three overrated or underrated this is a fan submission i didn't write down who it was but you know who you are out there. Shower beers. Shower beers. Have you seen Coors Light actually advertise their beer as like? No. So they have a campaign. Our camera went out too, by the way. I don't know when it happened.

Coors Light does have a campaign around just like, one's like the beer for when you go golfing just to drink. And it's just like some guys, they're like swinging with like swinging with one hand like with their eyes closed drinking a beer and like they have another one it's like this girl coming home from work it's like the beer of finally getting to take your bra off and she's like taking her bra off and drinking a beer like the beer of going for a cruise it's the beer of drinking and driving careless drinking and driving uh this is like barely driving yeah the fear of underage drinking no but then they did have one of like the beer of like when you just need one in the shower or something and it's like a guy like and they're all like really like it's not like they're not trying to be like haha funny they're just like oh there's like some

light-hearted music playing in the background This is like people being happy in their element. Yeah. Which is like, sure. I mean, they are right. That is what their thing is. It's not like, oh, for people who demand the best tasting beer. Right, right, right.

Can't even tell the difference. So one of their advertisers, I did think it was kind of interesting that they are like pitching themselves and like, oh yeah, it's okay. Have a shower beer. That's what we're for. I think maybe it's okay. Have a shower beer. That's what we're for. Right.

I think maybe it's underrated. I know I definitely don't take advantage of shower beers. I can only think of... How long are you really in the shower for? That's the thing. That's where I've never... I think in my life I've maybe had maybe two shower... I can think of for sure I've had one shower beer.

I don't know if I've had two. I've done it before, but probably somewhere in that same ballpark. But most of the time, it's like, I'll just set it on the counter and have it when I'm only going to be in there for three minutes. Well, for me, it's like, I'm going to be washing my hair and stuff. And if soap and shampoo is going in the beer, I don't need that in there. Because that's definitely going to overpower any flavor that exists in that can already. need that in there because that's definitely going to overpower any flavor that exists in that can already and yeah like there's just like there's there's just hair and soap and shampoo everywhere like i'm so not concerned with with that and then on top of that you got to get in a spot where

water's not going to go in it so that already rules out a lot of showers you know unless you're going to put it like way up high but now it's like inconvenient to grab your beer but wow i did say underrated but now i'm thinking like i'm just making them it's almost like you gotta make a really shower beers are overrated because yeah again just you can drink one before you go in and you can wait five minutes yeah and also like if you're taking a hot shower all that steam around your beer gets warm in a hurry and it's also is it just something you do when other people are around so you can say that you're having a shower beer? That's the only time I can really remember having a shower beer.

I'm at a hotel room and we're all just getting drunk. Yeah, I was at one of my friends, their college house party. And I think people were starting to show up. It's like, oh, I got to shower. People are getting here. But I also got to drink so I'm not drunk. I got to get this show on the road. I got to have a beer before the party starts here so it's like all right i'll have a shower

beer yeah it's like well this doesn't work you know so yeah shower beers i'm saying they're overrated you thought it out and go i'm saying overrated shower beers last topic uh we actually talked about a little bit so overrated overrated and underrated, Star Wars. I just watched one of the more recent movies as well. I have not kept up on the more recent ones just because I haven't gone to them in theaters. And I don't have Disney Plus, Tanner. It was on, they're on? Some of them are on Netflix.

Some of them are on Netflix. But there's the new series out, what's it, The Mandalorian or whatever. And people are, I've heard really, really good things about that. And I'd like to see it. The Game of Thrones creators were supposed to be commissioned to do a Star Wars thing. And I think they backed out or something like that.

Yeah. I don't know if they were backed out or it was taken from them. Oh, okay. I got you. They got a lot of backlash after season eight to the point where people hate them and everything about them. Maybe that's what it was. I'm not completely sure what happened there completely.

But yeah, they're not involved anymore. Okay. And a lot of people on the internet that are very excited about that. Okay, yeah. But this Star Wars topic is just the whole world. The Star Wars universe. I think it probably is underrated.

You can't have a universe and something that big turn into that big. And then it's hard to say it's overrated because I'm doing the thing where, in my head, it is probably one of the top three sci-fi series of all times. But I think justifiably so. You know, there's not... Like, Star Trek doesn't hang with that at all.

No, Battlestar Galactica. I don't know what else, from a sci-fi standpoint, even has the longevity and the... Isn't it just the cutest thing I've ever seen, Tanner? He's playing dead. It's a good hip stretch. He really knows how to open...

My dog is laying on his back. Spread eagle. When he does that, he really has a real stuffed animal look to him. And his eyes are even closed while he's like sleeping but um oh there he moves um i i just i've been a star wars fan since i've been in i think first or second grade it was the first time i saw him you know the old ones i'm old enough that first or second grade means episodes one two and three didn't exist yet you know so

so it is it is the old ones but uh yeah i've always i've always liked star wars i've always enjoyed it i just haven't kept up recently and that is on my list too like all right let's dive deep back into this universe and and be excited about it so i am gonna say star wars is underrated i like star wars and i did not start liking it until like within the last five years and i really know i bought all the six and did you yeah watch and i i remember those middle ones kind of suck like one two and three yeah oh i remember one those kind of like at the time they're probably good i think episode one came out when i was in like fifth or sixth grade and it's like oh darth maul this is the coolest bad guy like that's all that and like pod racing that's all that registered my brain and i remember watching that movie several years later like i liked this as a kid because this movie kind

of sucks like outside of those parts i just said episode two is hot garbage like when yeah hayden christensen is going on about how he doesn't like sand because it's coarse and rough it's like what is happening right now this is so bad uh. Episode three, I guess, at that time, I was like, well, I think we have closure and there's some more fight scenes. So maybe that was a little better. But yeah, overall, those ones weren't. Those ones, and I don't think those ones hold up.

However, the original ones are great. Yeah, they're so good. I remember actually being in second grade, show and tell. I remember doing show and tell with my Star Wars figures that I had at the time because I was so into star wars beanie babies at least i didn't bring beanie babies i did have some of those but i didn't bring them but uh no i i just i always loved star wars as a kid that was so cool to me yeah so star wars is underrated okay that uh wraps up the final topic of overrated underrated and

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Thank you for everyone that's listening. Tanner, we are at 1 hour, 26 minutes, and 30 seconds. Is this our longest ever? That's got to be close to a PR. I think we've done like an hour 20. Yeah. I mean, we could keep going, but this is also actually the latest we've ever recorded this is we're breaking so many like 10 30 at night we've never recorded this we've never recorded this late in the night before we're not gonna have any prs left to break

if we keep breaking at this rate uh find something else that's right i guess tommy what do you got for the instagram you can follow me at tomahawk underscore d and you can make sure to follow the official massonomics instagram page at Masanomics. That wraps us up for this episode. We'll see you for the next one. See ya.