Massenomics Podcast - Ep.193: The Game Changers Movie Review

Episode Date: December 16, 2019

This is a 100% whole food plant based episode of the Massenomics Podcast.  Hopefully LaCroixs are considered vegan... We also discussed updates on our Jefferson Deadlift League contests that we still have going on. Hybrid Performance Method: https://hybridperformancemethod.com/ and use code MASS to save 5% on all programs Lifting Large: https://www.liftinglarge.com/ and use code MASS20 to save on Lifting Large branded products Spud Inc.: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/

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just keep breaking prs yeah record for two the first two hour show tonight maybe it'll be the one we do have so many things actually again i think we could we could break it pretty easy tonight if we wanted to it's going to be more of a sleep thing at this point you know yes these podcasts that don't get done till like 10 30 that just really pushes me to my limit that put that pushes me to beyond my limit actually like to where put into an uncomfortable zone then you have to still wind down from a podcast oh you do that's 100 i get done here and it's not like oh i'm gonna go right to bed it's like nah i gotta like sit and just kind of like not talk and not think for like at least 10 or 15 minutes well this does require like the the neurons inside the brain are firing pretty hard when

you're doing a podcast normally at 10 at night I'm not sitting here at home having a conversation and engaging conversation with the family yes let me sit upright and look staring to extremely bright lights that's another thing actually, as far as sleep's concerned. These are probably about as bad as you can do. I guess they're not strobing, so we have that in our favor. But this is not helping the old circadian rhythm, I don't think. No, it's not at all.

Now I know I just sleep terrible on podcast nights, Tanner. That's why. But we do it all for the listeners. We do have a What's in the Can? And this time I brought my own cans all the way from imported from my house. Imported? So you don't

look at the can because you're going to be the guest today. Yep. I know how these rules go. Tanner, I practically wrote the rules for this game. You literally wrote the rules for this game you literally wrote the rules for this game and also i brought my own koozies you're probably familiar with the koozies instead of our usual deadlifter koozies that we use on set here uh this week we have a special cameo appearance by our lift koozies even better changing the koozie i've never had this before oh i'll tell you that what could it be that doesn't tell you much but

okay so right away i felt like in the smell i got a hint of i when i cracked it i could smell it so what i wanted to say immediately is it almost i got a berry a berry flavor of some kind right away. And I actually, I wanted to say almost grape right away. And then I tasted it and I did a, a little, little something more to it. And then I thought it kind of reminds me of a blueberry muffin even.

Not like the bread part, but like the fruit part of it. Right. I'm really thinking right now i think i think i'm gonna go like blueberry that's a very good guess that's not technically correct but i i mean you could be maybe awarded berry it's just called berry it's a little more too ambiguous i've never you know what i've realized though is i always just lately i've been going to the same grocery store and they only carry like six flavors of lacroix and those are the six that i always get so uh my my horizons have not been

broadened in quite a while yeah so this is just straight up berry maybe blueberries the primary berry and berry i i like it i'm a fan i've never had it before either but i could smell it when i when i cracked it like i could smell it more than i typically could yeah really hit you hit you in the face i don't know if i would have been able to guess it to tell you the truth i'm not very good at this game and as i'm just if i try to be like when i know when you know what when you know when anything's like oh yeah it's berry you dumb ass of course it tastes like berry but if i try to be, like, when I know, when you know what it is. When you know what anything is. It's like, oh, yeah, it's berry, you dumbass. Of course it tastes like berry. But if I try to, if I really thought about this and just take a taste and try and decide,

it is, I still think this might be one of our hardest segments that we have on the show. Yeah, berry. I do recommend berry. The LaCroix's. I would give that a four J.D. Power & Associates. Oh, yeah. Sometimes we've, I don we sometimes we've kind of forget about that part just because you know you get so wrapped up in the flavor yeah you forget

to put a rating on it so you give this four JD power and associates I think I would hmm this is you know I'll be honest this isn't my favorite I think uh lemon and lime are both better and pompo mousse is better um but I would maybe give this three and a half three and a half yeah it's still good i like it but i'm kind of a berry guy actually i'm not really much of a fruit guy at all but as far as fruit flavorings go berry is one of the better fruit flavorings as far as fruit goes berries berries are some of my favorite fruits yeah uh every morning i either have blueberries or strawberries or raspberries one of those three uh my wife and i are really good at buying them and then throwing them in the garbage in two weeks sometimes like with especially during certain times of year now is not a great time of the

year for fruit and sometimes you will buy strawberries and throw half of them away three days later because they just like it's that quick our shit yeah yeah yeah you gotta assume when they're on their way to the upper midwest going through negative 20 degree weather that they just want it takes too long and that's just not ideal transportation for uh we have had a bit of a cold snap here too we have actually it has been cold lately it's now it's kind of doing that thing where it's not just cold, where it's like extremely uncomfortably cold when you go outside and you're like, damn it. It's hurting again.

Why is it hurting again? Yep. It brings you back in a hurry. When I start my car 15 minutes before I leave and get in and it still has that crisp feeling where you're like, things could snap. It annoys a little bit just because it hasn't got moving yet yep yep and where you like touch the gear shifter you hope it's not just gonna snap clean off like yeah just like it's dry uh cryogenically frozen uh-huh speaking of cryogenically frozen austin powers was on tv

last week oh and you know we talked about aust awesome powers a couple weeks ago but this was the spy who shagged me and i had not seen the spy who shagged me in quite a while god you just forget how fun it was someone i don't know if it was a podcast review or where we saw it or as maybe as a direct message but and maybe you didn't see yeah it was like oh i really like it was like the best one you've done in a long time. Yeah. Like, I really love the Austin Powers rant that you guys went on. Yeah, it was good stuff. And again, I just cannot picture that movie being made nowadays. No. It just seems so not like people would be okay with it.

I agree. But, oh, it's funny stuff. Funny stuff. It is good. What about our Jefferson deadlift competition that's rolling as we speak? Yes. So that is the first thing that people need to know about ASAP. If you're listening to this, you still have ASAP Ferg.

You still have, do you know what the ASAP in that situation stands for? Tanner, you're not much of a. I feel like you can assume that I do not know. I barely knew what I just said. Because i know you're a big hip-hop guy sometimes i say things uh words that i know that they're something but i don't even i don't need not even 100 sure well do you know there's like a whole like asap fergus you know there's like a whole asap like gang there's like asap rocky asap ferg asap uh i can't even think of the other ones off the top of my head just because it seems like they're not quite as relevant now as they used to be.

But I believe it's always, is it always strive and prosper? I think is what it is. Oh, see, I did not know that. So they have, it's like a whole, there's like the ASAP. I don't know if they refer to themselves as the ASAP gang or the ASAP mob, but that's where it comes from. Nope. Fun fact for you, Tanner.

That is definitely news to me well now that we got that figured out yes jefferson deadlift so if you're listening to this you have about one week still yeah to put together that's gotta be right bang in jefferson deadlift and what we got going on we hinted at this last week uh we want to see some awesome jefferson deadlift and we have already seen some pretty some people have already raised the bar We hinted at this last week. We want to see some awesome Jefferson deadlifts. And we have already seen some pretty... Some people have already raised the bar, you could say, literally and figuratively. Like, as we're sitting here now, people are still submitting Jefferson deadlift attempts.

And what we got going on is it is a contest where we just want to see the best Jefferson deadlifts you got. And to enter the contest you simply record yourself doing a jefferson deadlift of some sort you tag at massonomics we're talking instagram here take at massonomics and you have to hashtag jefferson deadlift and that's it that's it and best doesn't mean heaviest i mean it can mean heaviest if you're gonna do a thousand pound jefferson well someone's gonna do a really cool heavy one, you could very well be a winner. But we've had several submissions that are not crossing the four-plate barrier. And they are frontrunners at the moment.

And we're going to pick 10 winners. Yeah, and we're picking 10. So there's enough for everyone if they want to. For anyone that tries and puts some effort in, there's a good chance you will be rewarded. We'll probably pick a diverse selection of winners. So maybe the heaviest one will be picked. That could be your way of winning.

Maybe the funniest will be picked. Right now there's a lot of funniest going on. The most creative. Yep. We've seen some creative ways of... There's been some very funny ones uh the one we happen to share today of the tandem deadlift from the guys from the uh illinois uh not contingency syndicate yeah yes yes from gonzo barbell where they did the partner one and

wearing some um very interesting costumes but the part that I loved the best was the LaCroix's next to the Christmas tree. I really like that. That was like the thing. Because anyone else is like, this makes no goddamn sense. Oh, oh.

I really like seeing the specific things to Masonomics where it's like, you're doing the LaCroix's under the Christmas tree. Yeah. That's good. Yeah, that was really good

because anyone else you show that to, it makes no sense at all. No sense at all. It was two cases of La Croix's. So someone bought those for that. Someone was like, okay, I'll pick up the La Croix's on the way there. Yeah, and there's been a lot of other really good ones, and we will be sharing all the best,

but that was just the most recent example that we saw right before tonight. So there's good stuff going on. So we're going to pick 10 winners, and each of those 10 winners will get one of the new Jefferson Deadlift League tees, which we don't even have those. And everyone's trying to make it into the league. Yes, it is. It's like the league, just like all the guys out of college.

They try to make it into the league yes it is it's like the league just like all the guys out of college they try to make it into the league when we say jdl do you think to you do those initials stand for jefferson deadlift or jefferson deadlift league i think it's really got to be jefferson deadlift league okay because i'm on board with that yeah that's what i thought initially and then i'm like well some people though deadlift is dl and i didn't know maybe i was thinking of it wrong then no i think it's got to be jefferson deadlift league because then for one thing like in nba or nfl that last initial is always like the association or league or whatever and also deadlift i don't write that as two words it is one word so people do do that sometimes. Well, yeah. You can make acronyms. Do whatever you want.

If you want to get... You can leave out certain letters and make other ones. But I think Jefferson Deadlift League is better. I'm on board with that. Yeah. Yeah. But it is a cool looking design. We don't have...

The shirts are being made kind of as we speak. And by the time the contest is over, we'll have those. And we'll have to announce our 10 winners. I mean, it's going to be tough. We're going to have to have some sort of deliberation process. Oh, there will be. It'll probably be like, well, these five, that's the easy choice.

And then it's going to be like... And then these other 200 entries are the ones we're going to have to debate about. That'll be tough. I'm just realizing how much work this actually could be. I never really thought about this part of it. And then we have to manage everyone's... We're going to disappoint some people because they're going to feel like hey mine had to have been one of the 10 best well but lucky for you the jdl shirts are available for

sale right here great point so no one has to be left it will be a pretty limited right no one has to be left out unless you wait to order one then yeah in that case um but we will have some for sale after after our giveaways and it's cool it's a cool logo it's another one of the last few of our shirts have been just things we put out uh as little memes or designs on instagram and people got all hyped on them like oh this needs to be a shirt and who are we to deny the people what they want and someone uh i responded to one of the comments on this one that said i really want this to be a shirt and my response was it's this shirt it's like this design is like tinkerbell everyone has to believe in it being a shirt or else it isn't a shirt everyone has to believe

or it's not real or we just put the interns on it right we do get our interns on quite a few things uh usually if anything's messed up that was the intern's fault. Yeah, definitely the intern's fault. As real or fake as they may be. Yes. It would be nice if they were real. Yeah. Makes something a little easier.

We're probably at the point where we could almost justify an intern. I actually would say... I'm pretty sure there's companies out there that have interns that do less. I was going to say, I do feel like a mass economics internship could actually teach students more valuable skills than many actual business internships could. Oh, I think so. I mean, most internships, you're just doing the most menial of tasks where we could actually share some knowledge to the point where, I mean, we could almost charge for it. Where we could actually share some knowledge to the point where, I mean, we could almost charge for it. To the point where they're definitely paying for college classes that aren't teaching them much more or less than what we could teach them.

That's true. So we better look into that, Tanner. That's true. We would have to relinquish some. It would be tough to turn over any. The trade secrets. Yeah, yeah. Yep. Well, we could just make them sign some really legal paperwork and you know we'd

have our legal interns write that up the legal the legal team of interns would take care of that we'd get our paralegals on it yeah i think that's what they do so that's the jefferson deadlift league t competition giveaway contest that's going on right now yep so get on it guys and you said what you have to tag massonomics and hashtag jefferson deadlift and that's it and a video of jefferson deadlift yes yes but that gets you in that gets you in so get on it yep uh someone else tanner was recently wearing a massonomics and it's a little different than our normal customer it was a little bit different this one was pretty exciting i was i was pretty stoked about this one you had i think more of a hunch that this was going to be happening yeah yeah i kind of knew

that it was coming down it was on its way down the turnpike i wasn't exactly sure when it was coming but uh mark ripito rip as they call him of starting strength the creator of starting strength um starting strength radio is his podcast their podcast and he was wearing the if you're watching right now we have the flag behind us the don't curl in me tea he had on and he wore it for the entire episode i think it was an ask rip episode where he's they're just fielding questions from um instagram and they have a big message board still i don't know if they're yeah they have a big uh forum wow starting strength forum there's not a lot of those left anymore no they still have a pretty active one i think uh and for anyone that's not familiar starting strength there's a little bit of a cult

following for sure and when you say a little bit of a cult, you mean it's very culty. It's a cult. Yeah. I mean, yes, it's a cult. And rip is the figurehead for sure. And kind of is the boss of the whole organization, I believe. And I think he's about 63 now, something like that.

Is he? And I showed my wife, I was like, ah, check this out. You know, Mark Ripto's wearing a shirt for uh you know and she was like oh my god this is the coolest thing ever she's like that old guy

she's like is this that old guy you're always listening to on podcasts and i was like well yeah i wasn't sure i was like yeah i guess so and she's like how many podcasts does he put out a week and i was like oh you're also talking about Dave Tate. He's the other old guy that his podcasts are like three hours long. And she's like, oh, okay. And I was like, yeah, he bought a shirt. He actually has a couple of Mastodon shirts too, but this is a different old guy that I'm excited is wearing a Mastodon shirt.

But he did have some commentary at the end of the episode about us. About as much of a rave review as you could get he said it uh is the only baby shit yellow t-shirt that he owns and i think he said i look great in it yeah yeah and then what else he had one uh he said from the boys over at massonomics all types of interesting and amusing things over there yeah which is pretty awesome uh it was funny to hear hear him say that interesting and amusing i mean that's a good way of putting it i guess i've read i have a copy of starting strength i've i've read it probably i've read it once full through before and i've skimmed it several other times and stuff but uh it's a pretty good but like if you're

it's a bit of a classic yeah it is a of a classic. Yeah, it is a classic. And Mark Ripto is a classic in the strength and conditioning world, so it's pretty cool. Like for those that have been around this field for a long time, it's like, ah, he's wearing a Masonic shirt. That's freaking crazy. Yep. And he doesn't really like much of anything, so it was kind of fun to see him say that,

what did you say, interesting and... Amusing. Yeah. Yeah, and the full-on starting strength supporters, we kind of felt a little bump from that. Yeah, we did. We saw a lot of people... Like shortly after the podcast came out, it's like, oh, people are buying stuff at very odd

times right now and because rip said to check it out yeah and they do as he says and and we might uh have the opportunity to do uh maybe some more things with them in the future so we'll see how that goes that would be cool it'd be very cool yeah be all about that where what's that where that's a collab yeah we're in those collabs yep feet feet rip feet rip uh open powerlifting tanner oh yeah that's another that just popped up today i it did i didn't know i guess i maybe knew that this was coming down the twike but you obviously had some inside yeah i knew about it since yesterday so open powerlifting launched a mobile app or not a mobile app mobile site a mobile friendly version of their website that was always they said it and i think if you ask most people they'd say that the old site just didn't really work on phones right you know you'd be worked amazing

on computers yeah yeah and you could you if you wanted to find something you could make it work on a phone you had to zoom you had to work for it yeah you had to, yeah. And if you wanted to find something, you could make it work on a phone. You had to Zoom. You had to work for it a little bit. Yeah, you had to do a lot of Zooming. You had to work for it. And if that was your first experience coming to the site, I could see how that might be a deterrent for some people. They might just think like, ooh, maybe this thing just doesn't work the way it should.

And I have worked with them on some different pieces of things over the last year or so here. And I've known that that's kind of always been something they've had they've been playing around with the idea for quite a while and it you know it takes some work to get this stuff going on top of all of the other projects they have going on too right uh they they hit me up yesterday or maybe it was two days ago and said hey we have a mobile site launching soon can you uh give it the old tune up the visual tune up and so they sent me some screenshots what they had going on and came in to see if i could offer some some advice in some direction and just i mean they had it like

98 done i i really didn't do much but just made some made a few little tweaks here and there and i thought okay cool like this thing should launch in the next month or so and then it was like i have a message i got tagged by you tanner or i got taken i'm like why am i getting tagged in something yeah like oh shit they launched that in less than 24 hours from when they told me about it so it is nice too did you check i did yeah i used it it worked it works really well yeah it is a really big improvement over so how does that work is it like it knows if you're going if you type in open power lifting it knows if you're typing it off of a mobile device so and it goes yeah so almost like

a redirected site no no no so what it is is it's basically uh they just refer to as like responsive website design so what it is is the the program used to access a website is the browser, whether that's Safari, Chrome, Firefox, whatever it is. When your browser goes to a website, the website will see what size your browser window is. So it can say, all right, if the browser window is under this size, do this when people open the website. If it's over this size, those are called like break points so

like the desktop is a common size so the desktop might be anywhere from 800 to 1300 pixels and then it might be from 800 to 600 pixels could be a tablet so that's the tablet size and i'm really simplifying this but then under 600 size um you know that'd be a good question well usually the the kind of their way is like maybe mobile landscapes when you turn your phone sideways you know that's kind of that's getting to be sort of a tablet size yeah um but it'll just you know you can play around a lot of different websites they react differently depending on how wide your browser is and you know your phone because not even all phones you know phones have a lot of different sizes to them too so that's what it is it's just it's just seeing what size you're i guess i can't say for certain how they have it coded.

Because you can do this multiple ways. But more than likely, I'm imagining they have it coded as it sees the size that your device is coming from and it scales accordingly. Well, that was a good addition to the site or a good change. Yeah. And then the filters all work nice too. There's that menu where you can select the filters really easily. That is really good. Yeah.

So it was a much needed thing and i think that's one of the things that'll that help take them to that next level you know on top of all the other awesome things i like it because i use open power lifting a lot for the stuff that we you know a lot of the stuff that we make like rookie cards would be a bit one of the big things that utilize it for and uh a lot of times i do that off of a desktop but it is nice to be probably a lot of times i would do it do it off of a desktop because the mobile thing kind of sucked to try to manipulate yeah yeah and now just knowing that you have that as an option and yeah and the other thing too is like people now when they share those screenshots you know there's a they're just gonna look nicer right right yeah for sure so it kind of

all feeds back into itself yep so good job good job open powerlifting team uh they don't disappoint over there no they don't and they don't quit working either apparently oh they're they're probably up to one billion you know you think about it's like at some point historically it is possible to be caught up right that i mean they're getting closer to that all the time i would assume right yeah like they are i know you can go to the list they have the list of like all the federations and they say like how complete they are there are some federations they are complete yeah and i've seen them share which is pretty crazy that that's even a thing you know it just it seems like there's records like oh there has to be just huge chunks of records that people can't find someday it'll have i mean imagine how relieved

like how what an accomplishment an accomplishment that would be though at some time when they're like within a certain amount of certainty or or for the most part we're essentially with like legitimate federations we're up to date within like the last month yeah it's probably there's always going to be like some obscure tiny country that nothing really significant is happening. Right. And yeah, it'd be great to have all those,

but that's also not what a lot of people are concerned about. It's, you know, especially in a historical standpoint, but the older meets is the ones that have like these big records associated with them. It is getting to the point though, where I know that it's not complete but it is almost the assumption that of like if you

pull someone up yeah you just assume you're gonna that's kind of pretty much not only will you find them but like that their meat history is probably getting pretty close to where it's like almost inclusive of like it's pretty accurate yeah i assume at this point like if it's someone that's currently lifting, that hasn't been like competing for over 30 years, I just kind of assume that if I'm going to pull up their name, I have like, for the most part, the entirety of their lifting history.

And if they say it's not there, I almost am going to assume they're a liar. Yeah. You know? Yeah, for sure. Pretty crazy. So yeah, I mean, that speaks a lot to what they've managed to do there.

That really is impressive. It is. Pretty crazy. Yeah, I mean, that speaks a lot to what they've managed to do there. It really is impressive. It is. Well done. There was another thing that happened this week, Tanner. Ooh. And it's kind of, I mean, I can't say that Masonomics did it first, but I kind of want to say Masonomics did it first. Because, you know, in our constant pursuit of content,

we've just done everything under the sun. And we did it all first. We've never borrowed anything from anyone. I want to make it known that we are always the first to do everything. No one has ever done anything before us. We are always the first. No, we vet every idea to make sure that it's 100% original. Yeah, we have to go through a very intense process

to verify that we are the first. Yes. And so this week i found mark bell he had a video powerlifters react and what did what do powerlifters react to it was powerlifters reacting to uh infomercial type fitness products would you say almost like fitness is fine which was very similar to fitness is finest uh to the point where there was two products that actually had been on Fitness's Finest before. And one was Jaws or Size. Do you remember what that was, Tanner?

It was the one where you would like chew. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like you do something with your... Actually, you know what? Now that I think about it, we did enough weird jaw ones that it could have maybe not been on there.

I don't even remember. Right, but we did do something just like that and the other one was leg magic and that one was the one i gotta turn this down a little bit leg so this is leg magic you're saying oh yeah yeah where you would just where you just stand and like laterally like move your legs side to side i think this was maybe the one that really got us going on the under the bed kick does it fit under the bed and did they was do you know did they comment about it i don't know you know i didn't watch the whole thing i just saw that i just saw the video of like powerlifters reacting i'm like i gotta see what this is about yeah and then i realized like yep massonomics did it so yeah well they got to get their ideas from somewhere right yeah so uh just

another case of we did it first uh no one bothered looking anywhere else no one has definitely no one has ever done that idea before it was done by we started it yes definitely i like uh so give credit where credit's due yeah us i like it a lot of times on instagram whenever someone whenever someone uses that you know the verses the literal versus symbols that we use for uh massonomics versus when someone else uses that and doesn't even necessarily follow the rest of the format very closely. A lot of people will comment on their, like, at Massanomics, hey, what's up with this? You know, like, well, I guess they can also use that versus symbol that we took off the internet when you Googled versus.

It is crazy how, like, far-reaching that versus symbol is everywhere. Like, I see it for, i mean i see if we were comparing laptops shoes phones like yeah anything that people compare in any industry i see them use that exact same versus right that everyone just rips off of the internet it's 100 what it is yes it's like unfortunately we don't have ownership of that yeah well what do you do yeah okay tanner before we get to the oh no one more thing on the list here before we get a lot of little tidbits before we get to today's feature presentation the ads the the final 30 minutes of ads uh the uh a lot of people are still really searching for that full ad episode i know know. I think someday we've got to do it.

You know what? We almost need to do one of those telethon thing where we can just call in. We'll go live. It'll be support through viewers like you. And it'll just be on Instagram Live for an hour. People can call in, pledge their money, and we'll say whatever they want us to say. If only more than four people would watch an instagram live we would do that anytime i've ever pulled that up before there's like six people four people well if we promote it and let people know about it ahead of time that's true

you know get on the mass economics email list yeah you can be in the know and uh we can send us money for our telephone for our telethon uh we'll have to buy a landline just for that month so no one has our cell phone number and so we can just have one of those plus yeah we'll have to buy a couple no we have to create the illusion of being really busy so i'll have to buy a bunch of landlines actually and then get a bunch of people to uh demand them all for us too yeah like people that you can't quite hear yeah they're just off in the distance they're just writing on paper the whole time there's like clocks and tvs in the background and there's definitely people like what the hell's a telethon you know that's true you'll find out but uh there was a uh maybe uh like a distant relative of masonomics uh and that is masonomics yeah it's also sometimes how people

pronounce masonomics oh yeah it is definitely it is how people do pronounce masonomics when they're not in the know yeah i can't remember somebody sent dm'd that to us and they saw this on uh the side of a pickup and it's masonomics inc out of Richmond, Virginia. You want to assume that they're stone masons of some kind, right? Yeah, they do have pictures of bricks next to the logo. That's a good name for a company. Yeah, and all they did was they put an O in theirs where ours is not an O. I've got to assume they're really good at what they do, though.

I bet they are. A name like that, they can't do that. I wonder if they do funny good at what they do though I bet they are A name like that they can't I wonder if they do funny like bricklaying memes and stuff Like we go on Instagram they have 100,000 followers And they're just killing it I'd like to think that that's what it is They just know what's up They're in Inc though and we're in LLC

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like when the fuck are they talking when are they ever gonna get to it but uh we are going to talk about the documentary game changers and this is a documentary that made waves online, especially in the social media industry. Yeah. The fitness social media world, it was making waves. People were freaking out. For the most part, the reaction I got was people freaking out about it just because I'm following more people in the strength world and they want to hate on it.

But if you're not in the know, the Game Changers documentary is basically a documentary trying to make the argument that everyone should go to a plant-based diet. They even use the word vegan a lot. Yeah. I kind of, that was already...

Whole food, plant-based. Yeah, that was already kind of one of my issues with the documentary is I couldn't quite tell if they were trying to make a push towards a vegan lifestyle or a plant-based diet because they kind of use the terms interchangeably and they are very different things. They're not, I mean, yes, they're both using plant-based diets,

but they are different lifestyles. So, um, but yeah, that's really what it's about. And I think where a lot of people are upset with it is the claims that it's making. I think where a lot of people are upset with it is the claims that it's making. And there's no shortage of claims in the documentary. There is a crazy amount of claims. And they all, to their credit, most of the claims that they make, they have a tiny little citation down in the corner,

I think, to show that, yep, this is what we're citing it from. This is coming from a paper somewhere. Also, though, you can read data to say about whatever you want it to exactly you can interpret most like you can find what you're looking for whatever those viewpoints are and spin it that way yeah in most things so before we get started my opinion on like i don't i want to be i don't care what people i was kind of talking want to be, I don't care what people, I was kind of talking about this last week. I don't care what people eat. Like the people that want to like push their diet and like try to convince the world to

be on their diet are almost like at that multi-level marketing level of annoying. Like who cares what people eat? Like you don't have a diet, like there's no way that everyone's diet is as good as they think it is. It's the people that are trying to sell you these diet. There's no way that everyone's diet is as good as they think it is. The people that are trying to sell you these diets, there's not. It's just we're in this world of oversaturation of diets, and everyone thinks they have the best one, and it's so annoying. And wants to tell you about it.

Yeah, and it's so annoying to hear. It is the most annoying thing. Right. It's right up there with politics and religion and all that. No one cares, man man just do your thing and so that's where like when i look at this right pushing a i don't care if people like there's some people like oh vegetarians oh you're not i i don't i don't right that's i don't think if you're more or less of a man or whatever for whatever food you're like i don't i'm not i'm not in first grade so so that that tactic doesn't appeal to me no um i i'm never gonna be like oh he's eating

carrots what a baby like that's so stupid so i don't care what people eat like that i've yeah people want to be vegetarian great good for them that's totally fine it's their life they can do their thing if people want to just eat meat and be like mark bell and talk about how keto is the best thing in the world that's fine you're also really annoying but it's fine you can do that that's no big deal that's totally cool so i was coming into it with a pretty open mind where did you have yeah were you like i'm interested to see what they're i just had to watch it because there's so much talk about it i was just like i gotta see what's going on and going on. And I kind of was like, I don't even think I will watch it. But then you're like, you should watch it so we can talk about it together.

I was like, that is a good idea. That is a good idea. So I just watched it last night. Yeah, I didn't go into it either, though. I wasn't like, ah, stupid old vegan. Oh, I can't wait to prove it. Watch this just so I can rip it apart. Yeah, because I know there's a lot of people that are like, oh, I can't wait to watch this thing and prove it all wrong yeah right right i was like i'm curious to see if they

have anything worth saying yeah and there wasn't a lot there wasn't a lot that i i think right now so we're we're in this next little bit here we're obviously gonna have a lot of criticisms of it otherwise we'd have to end the podcast yeah like that was a good're obviously going to have a lot of criticisms of it. Otherwise, we'd have to end the podcast. Yeah, I'd be like, that was a good movie. So I did have a lot of criticisms, but almost none of my criticisms are going to be based on the data, just because I'm not going to take the time to read scientific papers.

And we don't know. We haven't taken the time in our lives to do that. And I'm not going to claim to be that guy. So if you want to see someone refute the claims on a scientific basis uh like i saw lane norton has like a 40 minute video where he talks about it he has a phd i think he's qualified to make that but unless you're at that level i don't think many people are qualified to actually uh make these claims unless they're just unless they're just repeating other claims that

people said so right which we could have done. Right. Which we could have done that, I guess. Yeah, we could have done that. But my issues are going to be more based off of just the way they're framing some of the arguments. And we can talk about that a lot. And that's how a lot of documentaries are. I mean, that is where the issues come down to is how they're framing. And essentially, it's marketing. How they're marketing their idea to the world. Right.

There's a lot of places, Tanner. I'm not even sure where to start. I guess maybe I'll say the one, maybe the thing that I necessarily, the idea that I was maybe the most understanding of or got behind the most. And this is the one that I've heard several times. And this is the one that I've heard several times. And that was just one of their arguments for moving to a plant-based diet is how inefficient it is energy-wise to produce meat. And I don't think you can really debate that one scientifically. Like, it takes a lot of water, a lot of food, a lot of fuel, a lot of manpower, a lot of energy to produce a pound of meat. There's no doubt about that.

I actually worked on a farm where we fed cattle. It took a crew of people to maintain them. And all of the fuel that goes with it, all of the energy costs. all of the fuel that goes with it, all of the energy costs. I don't know, and I don't know if there's people that debate that one, but I think it's pretty scientifically. And the cattle themselves, the methane that they put out. Yeah, they produce like 15% of the methane gas in the world, I think. Something like that, yeah.

And I've ran across those stats pretty regularly on different things, so I don't think that that's one that people can debate a whole lot i don't think so either i i think that that's true and that one seems like that's a pretty easy one to like track yeah i mean it's big numbers so yeah that part's hard but like you can't deny that there's if you're going to put corn in the ground and take it out and eat it that's one step but if you're going to take the corn out of the ground process it a certain way store it a certain way process it a certain way, store it a certain way, haul it a certain way, feed it to cattle again and again and again for them to just shit it out and eat more and more and more and more,

that's a lot more steps in the energy process. So if a person decides to go plant-based diet in the name of being proactive to the environment, I'll buy that argument i understand that i don't i don't have the willpower to do that right now so i mean awesome for you the person that's doing it but um that's just not that's just not where i'm at yet but i do understand that part of it they did only touch on that part very briefly though yeah that wasn't that much they glossed over that one pretty fast so the the documentary starts it's this guy that was he actually won ultimate fighter

in yeah 2009 or something like that what was his i don't remember something wilkes i don't even remember his name anymore now either john wilkes booth yeah it's the guy that invented the wilkes formula yeah it's something wilkes he's like he's a british guy and he won you know he won the ufc ultimate fighter show uh a while ago uh in his process of fighting he severely injured both of his knees and needed surgery and in his surgery process he or his recovery process he was trying to figure out a quicker way to recover recover and started doing research on diet which i think that's not unusual a lot of people will get to that point but what he ran across is all this evidence about a plant-based diet and how it seemed like the superior way to go and one of the very first claims he makes is that what he ran across is was it was it roman gladiators uh in this one arena

where they kept finding gladiator remains is they can do some tests and apparently it's your bones will have these certain you can trace certain things yeah you can you can test certain bones and you can find that uh you were on a plant-based diet you know depending on what minerals and things are showing up in the bones so it turned out that according to the tests a lot of these roman gladiators were on a plant-based diet and he thought that he framed this as just being this incredible thing and i thought do we even know how strong and big and healthy roman gladiators were like do we have anything that like is a is if someone said you're going to look like a roman gladiator my head goes to the statues yeah and the statues are obviously stylized you know right you know these chiseled like ripped guys that are like

seven feet tall and like to date no one even has a physique like that so right that's obviously not real so what is a roman gladiator health physical what what are those characteristics and basing um what's best off of what people used to do it's also the same thing that with the um paleo diet would be a big one this is what the cavemen did it's like okay yeah does that make it the best thing to do like i don't that like someone tell me someone tell me what was the average caveman's blood pressure like how long did the average caveman live to like right and that's just any diet like not even picking on uh a plant based vegan diet or paleo diet or a carnivore diet or like could be at all that as a justification

like this is what people did in a certain area in a certain uh also degrees electricity 200 years ago like are we gonna quit doing i'm gonna use it i'm gonna drive a car i'm gonna use a cell phone like i don't i don't get that argument just because that's how it was a long time ago that means it's right right and that was the same thing like if someone said you could look like a roman gladiator i'd be like like, well, what did they actually look like? Weren't people all small back then anyways, I'm assuming they were all like five, five little men,

right? Yeah. I mean, I'm sure, of course there's outliers of anything, but it's like, I don't think they were like six, three,

two 40 of just cut lean muscle. Right. And do we know? So if they were on a plant-based diet, what? lean muscle right and do we know so if they were on a plant-based diet what it's just there's so many so many like conclusions being drawn without really know like do we know that why they were yeah like and do we know what they would have been like had they not been like could they have even been more ripped and chiseled that we already don't know exactly how ripped and chiseled they were like i mean for all we know they they they would go through i don't know someone probably knows the answer to this but for all we know they

did like the uh what the chinese do where they identify well you're more physically fit as a four-year-old you're going to be an olympian you're going to be a gladiator i don't know if that's how it worked or not right right um yeah it could be it too so that that whole argument i'm like well sure they might have had more plants but i again i don't get how that should convince anyone in any way and if that convinces you i'm assuming like you're operating at like a middle school brain power level like oh gladiators cool i'm sold so already i was like all right not not sold here not sold here so then he gets done with that and he i think at that point he moves on to just talking about athletes they're on a plant-based diet he's like so then i started looking once i found the

gladiators were on it who is is anyone doing this nowadays and the first i did think he framed this pretty good because the first example he shows is like oh i think like an ultra marathon runner yeah a bit like a guy that you would look like and be like i don't know that guy might be sick he's so skinny like he doesn't look he just looks like a scraggly guy like he yeah no doubt has achieved some incredible things but right you would no one would look at that be a guy and be like that's the picture of fitness you would just have no idea no and uh he shows i'm trying to he just shows like a variety of athletes and for the most part they're like skinnier endurance type athletes and my brain's thinking well yeah there's no big guys right and then it was like he was it's like he knew we were

saying there's no big and some people are saying all you're doing is showing me skinny people show me someone with some strength and then he cuts to the strong man and this is where i like immediately got a little a little frustrated because like they're making this guy look enormous like they're making him look like a very big man yeah and then he stands next to the guy and it's like you're like the same size as the ufc fighter who fought at like 160 pounds yeah and so i had to look it up the guy's five seven it's the strongman was five foot seven not saying you can't be a strongman but you're not like an elite strongman when you're five seven well and also have you heard of this guy before the also i had not heard of him so wouldn't that be a little bit of a so that was the other one and the guy's strong i'm not saying

he's not strong i think he actually has some power lifting credentials and he's competed in some legitimate strongman competitions i know but but no one but he's not in the well and no one's gonna say like come up with a list of respect or like a strongman that have achieved something you're not not to say this guy isn't doing stuff but you're not he's not going to come to mind he's not in the talking no and what i was so confused by right away and they brushed over this in a hurry they're like oh he holds multiple world records what are these world records the yoke the log press i'm like he does not have the did you hear them say that yeah and they might have just said press but they showed footage of him doing the log press while they were saying

it right and i'm like what well we kind of know who has those records like i know who has the records so then later on and i'm jumping ahead a little bit here but at the end of the movie like when it's all kind of coming to a climax he he breaks the world record with a like 1,250 pound yoke. And I'm like. We've watched people at the Arnold do 15. No. So then I'm thinking, is this a world record for his weight class? But even then, a middleweight, because assuming he's a middleweight,

which he's not, I mean, he weighs more than 220. But even that, we saw the guy at the arnold the one year that on the heavy yoke i don't think i think he was like a 220 uh hit one of the hodge brothers yeah one of the brothers yes and he what's that yoke like 1450 or whatever it is or 1600 so i don't know where they're getting this number from that was that was not true it's not a world record and if it's a world record it's on some weird age weight class split or some strong man doesn't matter at all length of a yoke or like the the heaviest that anyone has ever moved 43 feet it's like well yeah okay just because all right no one goes that distance right right so i had problems with that it's like you

could you know like when you're doing the research that that part's not true. It didn't take much. If you're going to claim to do all this, that already rubbed me wrong, that this guy's claiming to put forth, yes, I researched this, this is all correct, and then you're putting something out there that's very obviously not correct

or correct because you just sliced the pie so many ways that you made it correct. Right, and that gets into an area where you're out of the space of whether you're talking about that this plant-based diet is the healthiest option for you because people that are doing competitive strongman most competitive strength sports almost any sport that's extremely competitive their primary focus is not purely health no it's performance performance exactly and and that goes back to one of my other issues is if if you're trying i couldn't quite tell if he was trying to

say that a plant-based diet is the best diet for performance or the best diet for healthiness and he spent a lot of time on the performance part like that's why you're spending all this time with athletes is because you're showing what peak performance is. Right. But then later on it was showing this is what the healthiest is. And I think he was just trying to say it is the best performing and the healthiest, I think is what he's trying to say. And that's where like, granted, I have nothing to back it up other than just like purely anecdotal stuff and like if you're going to talk about strongman because that's he brought that into the picture plant-based diet is not

the best for performance look at the top 30 guys no how many of them are on plant-based diets i'm guessing none of them and you could also say that steroids are the best for performance yeah that is the common link but that's where that's the point like health is not their primary concern they have chosen an extreme lifestyle where that's far beyond health and this is one thing that stan efferding does do well is that he does make it very clear that you want to be healthy don't compete right because the whole point of competing is almost always pushing things to the limit in and unhealthy way that's why the nfl he brings some nfl players in okay they're having healthier diet but their heads are getting smashed every play right you know most of these guys don't last more than about 10 years or so

because it's detrimental to their life so i guess yeah add a few years on with the plant thing maybe. And you can find people choosing to do any diet in almost any sport like that that are having success, right? Like you can pull out anecdotes from like anywhere and anything and be like, I feel great. And this was, I kept thinking like, is this, is it causation and correlation here? Or is it just like you found someone that's good at what they do? Because there's a lot of people that are good at what they do, and you could feed them, I don't know, shit, and they'd still be good.

They're just at the end of the day going to be better. One of the examples he used was, and this is, again, this is a little out of my element, but he's comparing UFC, Conor McGregor and Nate Diaz. It was a big fight. Those are two of the biggest names. And Conor McGregor endsregor and Nate Diaz. It was a big fight. Those are two of the biggest names and Conor McGregor ends up losing to Nate Diaz. And he said, he frames it as it was because Nate Diaz was on a plant-based diet and Conor McGregor had upped his, he's even quoted saying,

ah, I was eating two steaks a day and up until up before the fight. And that just threw me off. I want to think you as a fighter know more than anything that fighting is a very skill and technique dependent sport. And to like, think that, I mean, to think that if I was on a plant-based diet, that all of a sudden that's going to like give me the edge on anyone

fighting, especially in a short term. It has nothing. Yeah. Yeah. It's a short term. a yeah your diet is a part of the puzzle but yeah i just think to say like well nate diaz won that fight because he was on a plant-based diet which is how he presented it right he did present it as yeah he won the fight because he's on a plant-based diet i'm just like that's maybe number 15 on the list of why he won yeah you know he had a probably had a smarter game plan he executed better he just performed better that day yeah it just i have a really hard time giving the plant-based diet more than like two percent of

the edge right are you do you know about forks over Knives? I've heard of the documentary. I've never watched it. So Michael Fahey, who direct a good tie-in here, produced West Side vs. The World, was one of the primary editors on Forks Over Knives. Okay. And while he did that... So what is Forks... It was like the precursor.

It came out in like 2011. Was that his favorite? Plant-based diet. Okay. Yep 2011 and it's about plant-based diet yep and he did a plant-based diet while he was doing and he said he felt really good he was running and his like running was good and overall healthy he felt great uh he said as far as strength goes it's probably some of the weakest he's ever been but he did say that he felt healthy but But anyways, he was doing like an Instagram Live or something like that, and I jumped on there,

and he was eating a cheesecake, and I said, is that a plant-based vegan cheesecake? And it got him going on Game Changers. He hasn't seen it, but he was one of the main guys behind Forks Over Knives, which is a precursor. was before game changers was probably the the most popular yep plant-based vegan quote-unquote it was the only it's the only documentary i've heard of in that in that realm right and his uh his point about game changers

he said he didn't even watch it he said i already know mostly all the people that they interviewed and talked to for this because we did this all already. Forks Over Knives was less sport performance based and more just about the health side of it. He said he wanted to do a movie follow up like this that was more like what Game Changers did, but it didn't have the support at the time. It didn't have the support at the time. But anyways, his point being he believes really the audience that something like Game Changers is geared for or who it could even make sense to or who there could be good takeaways for really isn't people that are already even mildly on top of nutrition and are training in exercise because it's really you look you find all these holes in it all that yeah and everything but like if you just take your average american

couch potato that doesn't do shit yep like is it a good idea for them to pay attention to what's going in their mouths yeah that's good is it like if it requires them being on a plant-based whatever diet is that still good yeah it's like if it requires them being on a plant-based whatever diet, is that still good? Yeah, it's probably good because they're going to make a lot of improvements over what they're doing now. But if you take people like us that are really familiar with powerlifting, strongmen, all that stuff, it's like, well,

that's kind of a lot of bullshit stuff that you're like trying to point out there. Yes, and what you're saying ties into one part of the movie really good. And there is one part where they go to a fire hall in New York City and they have these firefighters and they talk to them about the number one reason firefighters die on the job is a heart attack. I believe that that's probably true. I don't doubt that for a second. Very strenuous for a number of reasons, both physically and mentally. And so he's saying, you know, one, one of the things you need to really watch is you need to get that diet in line for your cholesterol. So you're not having heart attacks and all this.

So they come into the fire hall, they give these guys like all of the plant-based groceries is for like a week or two or something like that. And they take, they take some vitals on them and then they put them on this plant-based diet for like two weeks and come back and take their vitals on them and then they uh put them on this plant-based diet for like two weeks and come back and take their vitals and a lot of these guys their cholesterol drops like 100 points like big things and i'm thinking like that's just because they didn't eat like shit for two weeks like it like if you you could have been on a uh healthy uh say even like an if it fits your macros diet or anything like that where it's calories are tracked macros are tracked yeah it's just they paid attention to what they ate right you know like that's what i'm thinking is like that's what the difference is like they they

probably i would assume at the fire hall they're not eating every meal super clean they're probably frying up chicken and they probably have dessert and you know they're having like your average yeah they're having a good time they're probably having pizza yeah they're doing all the good stuff that's why that away for two week that away it doesn't yeah a plant-based diet it's a great way to get rid of that stuff but also if they would have just observed portion control and just ate a little cleaner and cut out the processed foods and the grease and all that shit there probably would have been a significant change there probably would have been a significant change. There probably would have been a significant change.

And so again, it's hard to say that that is the reason why I also couldn't quite figure out. So we know as people that are educated in just the smallest amount that at the end of the day, your weight and all that stuff, it comes down to calories in calories out. Yeah. And I would assume one of the reasons why a plant-based diet is easy to be healthier on

is because you'd have to eat a shit ton of food to gain weight. Right. Like a lot. Yes, it makes it very hard. It makes it hard to overeat. It's like, are you going to eat three pounds of carrots a night? Right, right. And even if you did, you're probably still under your calories no matter what.

Right. It's just hard to... Yeah, you can't get the calories. They're not super dense calorically. No, right. Because even if you did, you're probably still under your calories no matter what. Right. It's just hard to... Yeah, you can't get the calories. They're not super dense calorically. No, no. So the calories per bite is going to be way down compared to a double cheeseburger from McDonald's. And you could say, well, that's why a plant-based diet is great. And yeah, I would give it that point totally.

It makes it way easier to keep calories under control. Because you can... But how are you going to... It's hard to overrate. But one of the things that I got confused on is, all right, so if calories are step one of managing, step two is probably your macros, protein, fat, carbs. And they kind of made mention several times to where people think they need more protein than what they do. They never actually said what that number can be or should be,

never touched on that. And maybe it's because that does depend on what your performance goals are. So it is hard to make that, but they never once said that. They did go through a point where they were criticizing meat. And it seemed like one of the main things they were criticizing it for was the fat in it. But fat is essential you do need fat in your like your body will if you cut out all fat your body will be in trouble because that is what regulates hormones and all of that stuff that i don't completely know but i do know that part that it's important you can get by without carbs you can have a diet without carbs and you will survive you cannot have a diet without protein or fat those are required in your diet

but they make no mention as to what... How much do you really need. And what they think is the bad one and the good one. It seemed like they were kind of getting on fat for a little bit. They also kind of criticized protein for a while. And they did criticize carbs and processed sugar. So they kind of felt like criticized all three. And I'm like, well, what one...

What are you trying to say like direction we should go? So don't like watch the documentary, think you're going to get any actionable items out of it because you'll get nothing. Right. And the only vegetarian-based food they ever show is a burrito. Yeah. Every time they do something, it's a vegetarian burrito. Yeah. And I'm like, is that just the go-to because it's easy or is that the go-to because that's the one that tastes good?

Is it easy or is that the go-to because that's the one that tastes good? Yeah. So, yeah, don't expect any meal plans or any meal recommendations or anything. Just the only diet advice they give you is eat a plant-based diet. Yeah. That was kind of annoying, but – A lot of vegetarian burritos. Yeah, I get it. You can't give meal tips in a documentary and keep it under five hours.

Right. And interesting. Yeah, yeah. All right, other notes I had here, Tanner. A few things that were just so, so outrageous. I can't believe, I cannot believe they, they flew. The penis test.

Well, no, no, we're going to get to that one. But they flew by this one in a hurry. And I don't know if you caught it. They referenced some studies. And one study that they referenced very quickly, they said in one study, participants that drank beet juice before bench pressing increased their performance by 19%.

And I thought, okay. 19%. I thought, wow, Tanner, how much have you benched before? 4? 4.75. 4.75. 20%. So just to think, if you would have had a glass of beet juice,

you could have done another 100 pounds. There's no way that that's true because that would be the beet beet juice would be like on every banned substance list in the world so you're taking you're testing on trained so you're clearly testing people that are completely untrained and so what is this apply yeah okay they're They're, they're, they drink beet juice. I, those studies make no sense to me that are taking untrained people at all. And it'd be one thing if you're just talking about untrained people, but when you're framing it in the thing of talking about its performance benefits, well,

it's not performance benefits to anyone that has actually gone through any type of performance regimen. Right. Definitely. So that fact, I was just like laughing because it was so ridiculous i would assume that beet juice would affect your bench press performance by zero percent yeah because it just like if it really did any juice if it

really did even like one percent or some mark you know, really like something that's marginal, you know, that there's a margin there, an increaseable margin. We would all be doing it because someone would have figured out by now. Here's the liquids that I think can increase your bench press. Water, because you need to be hydrated. Water that has caffeine in it, because that is scientifically documented many times that caffeine can help. And then any liquid that might have steroids of some kind in it probably can

also increase your bench press. I think that's it for liquids that help your bench. I think that's it. Right. I agree. Yes. No other liquids are increasing your bench or they would have been documented.

Yeah. And we'd all be doing, we would all be doing it. Maybe the liquid in ammonia that you have, but outside of that, no liquids are increasing your bench. So let's not pretend that that's a thing uh other claims uh he this guy being a fighter i think most people if you said battle ropes you know it's the ropes that you mount to a platform and you see fighters and

people training across with all this stuff they're shaking the ropes up and down well at his gym in england uh they have it's a contest and if you can go 20 minutes of continuous continuous rope shaking non-stop you get your name on the wall shaking yeah battle roping so if you can do 20 minutes of continuous battle roping you get your name on the wall and it's a major feat as it probably should be i'm sure it's really hard to do i've never tried to do it but i can see how you can see how your arms and your upper body would be on fire. He says that he hadn't been training. He hadn't done any training for several months, zero training. He was untrained.

He went into the gym just to see what he could do at 10 minutes, a time he was normally done. He felt great. He hit the 20 minute mark, felt even better. 30 minutes came. 40 minutes came. 50 minutes came. He hit the 60-minute mark. I was not tired yet.

But once 61 hit, I said, I'm good. And I quit, and I walked away. And they're recording him doing this. I'm assuming what they're recording, I hope what they're recording was just a bad reenactment because he literally goes like this and just walks away and i'm like yeah okay yeah and you were not trying if you walked away like you can't do no anything i don't care how good you are at push-ups you don't do push-ups for five minutes doing a real actual push-ups to go i'm done like there's there's not that's

not how that stuff works right so i was like well that's just a straight up lie yeah like i don't know what you're you might have done battle ropes for 60 minutes but you weren't doing them like you do battle ropes you were you can say i went for a run for 60 minutes but there's a big difference between running for 60 minutes and doing a very easy jog right so i'm like i don't get what that claim was that was again one that i'm like what what's the point of this next claim i took a note of here tanner i don't know if you got this one the female cyclist that a female cyclist they did the like the really slanted track cycling yep yep that that who what what's is there a thousand people in the united states that participate in this i'm

not saying they're not i'm not saying they're not athletes but powerlifting gets like ragged on for there's no one that participates in it i at least know people like is there is there a track how far do we have to drive to find one of those tracks i would assume maybe in minneapolis there's one of those i wouldn't even one of of those wood banked indoor cycling tracks. I would not guarantee there's one of those in Minneapolis. I would think in Chicago. Yeah. We might have to go as far as Chicago.

Colorado has an Olympic training center. So there's one there. Maybe there's one there. Yeah. But is there more than a couple? Consider the entire Midwest. Is there more than a couple of those? No.

So already, how many people participate in that sport tiny all right so that's why it's like i have a hard time like using that as the metric for how to gauge human performance is a sport that the smallest subset of the population is participating in yeah and then and then you know that's just something that like white that's one of those sports oh white people it's a white person to the max no no we we need something that we can be good at it so we're gonna do this so freaking obscure and expensive and yeah everything yeah it's like yeah you gotta have money and live in a very specific urban area and yeah so already there's no one participating in that sport not to say they're not athletes

because yeah they're jacked but they use this one woman as an example and she is an accomplished cyclist from what i understand she talks about how i don't know if she'd always been on a plant-based diet or if she moved to one later in life but she talked i think it was that she moved to one later in life and she goes i switched to a plant-based diet and my training took off i was all of a sudden uh uh on the leg press machine doing 500 i think she's like 525 pounds right i would do 12 reps for 10 sets and it shows her and she is doing it like you would expect her to do it like her legs are moving i don't know five inches maybe right which is how people do the leg press yeah and like ah you're not helping

your cause like you might have had something but don't use these examples to show of the female indoor banked bike cyclist whatever that's where your average person watching it they don't even recognize that as like uh um not a superhuman right right right they just think oh she said she could do it for all these reps now and it's things like that that i went into this with an open mind and i'm just like the examples you're using are so terrible here and anyone that actually participates in exercising sport of any kind yeah you're gonna see through this stuff i'm looking at i'm looking at my list here what else we have he talks talks about Arnold.

Arnold says it's the best he's ever felt. Well, I don't know, Arnold. Maybe you're not running weird amounts of steroids and eating like shit. I don't know. I don't think people, they're comparing Arnold in what, the 70s? When Arnold was at his peak physically, so what, late 60s, entire to the 70s,

off and on through the 80s maybe. Also, the nutrition game was very different then than it is now. We know a lot less. So I don't, again, that's not a good example to use because Arnold wasn't the expert for dietary advice.

Arnold could tell you how to be a bodybuilder and you know the amount of testosterone that he was taking but even he admitted at that time they didn't know what they were doing he says in his biography it was just kind of something we all did and we didn't know much about it and also arnold is a businessman i'm not saying that he's lying or anything like that but probably says what he wants to at this point in time to improve himself in financially. Like he has stake in this.

He's one of the producers. Yeah, right. Yeah. So he has a financial gain by it. They also feature a football player and the, it's another one of those where I don't buy the argument that they're using is that he's a, I don't even remember his name now, plays for the Tennessee Titans.

So then everyone on the team's coming over to eat with him because he's doing so good. 13 guys on the team go to a plant-based diet and they make the playoffs for the first time in like 10 years. And I'm thinking, you know how many people, you're from England, you probably don't understand American football. You know how many people are on a football team? What is an actual,

is the official roster 60-some? Yeah, I think so. I don't know what the final roster is. Okay, so there's that many people. There's how many coaches? Yeah. There's how many, like a football team is 100 plus people

by the time it's all said and done. Yes. You think that the thing that made you get to the playoffs that year was because 13 guys got on a plant-based diet. That's a little, I think that's a little self-centered to think that like it could, it could, your team could literally not change year to year and the other teams could get just be worse. They had people retire, they lost picks, they got guys traded. You could be the exact same team, do the exact same thing and you could make

the playoffs. Yeah. So that is a terrible way to gauge the success of something and just like you said about uh fighting and stuff like football it's such a skill and genetic component to how good you're at it that like even if you're feeling better because of your diet you're still like not changing your genetics and you like you your training for the last 25 years that have created how good you are or not as a football player. I could get on the healthiest diet in the world, far healthier than every other player in the NFL, but it's not going to make me very much better at football.

And there's just too many moving pieces. You know what can be the difference between making the playoffs and not making the playoffs your kicker making one more field goal you're running back having one less fumble that the other team picks up and runs back it's one football game could absolutely be the difference between making the playoffs not making them so in something that big don't pin it on 13 and then then the guy is like, oh, you know, I thought that vegan diets would just taste terrible. His wife is a professional chef. Yeah, exactly. I want to be like, you have every resource in the world.

I have no doubt that if I had a professional chef cooking me vegan meals all day, I would love, I'm sure I would love them. That also probably costs between the food and a professional chef preparing them. That's probably cost a normal person several hundred dollars a day to do something like that. Yeah, for sure. So I'm just watching her bring out like tray after tray after tray of vegan food. Yeah. And thinking, sure, it probably tastes great, but you have unlimited resources and a professional chef wife. Yeah.

So, okay, sure. Yes. And the other argument that people like to say, one guy goes on the record saying that, you know, I looked at what gorillas eat. Gorillas eat bananas. That's the dumbest argument for anything. That goes back to like what people eat.

Gorillas are also crazy strong. I've never seen a gorilla lift weights before in the gym have you so tanner's changing the are you changing the battery tanner so we've been talking for so long damn we have another long one here tanner's gonna try and change the battery so if people are watching on youtube they can keep getting this but yeah i i that is one of the dumbest arguments that i ever hear people make about the gym stuff is that because another animal eats something or another animal does something that that works for a human being uh this i think he was a was he uh like a marine or something yeah i think that's what it was uh I just noticed when I was changing that battery, it should be back going now,

but as soon as I take my headphones off and step away, it feels immediately like instead of me being in the conversation, I'm just listening. I was like, oh. It does have a weird effect, yeah. But now I'm back in it. Now you're back. Yeah.

Horses run really fast. Does that mean I should eat a shit ton of grass every day you know those things don't those arguments don't make any sense because believe it or not biology is way more complex than what one creature eats yes you know my dog's pretty strong he's dog food should i eat dog food i think we're leaving something out the other so this whole time Tanner we've talked almost nothing about the data we're just talking about the observations right because the way they're framing arguments and we're not experts on the science what we're just looking at one of my complaints about

the data though yep is that they almost exclusively use percentages. Now, a percentage, something could have a result of 0.001 and something could be a 300% increase and it's now, what, 0.003? Still negligible. Yeah, still insignificant. As far as mathematics go, it looks much bigger, but you don't know any of these things.

We don't know because it's all percentage. This thing was a 20% increase. This was a 300% increase. This was a 100% increase. I don't know what it's an increase of. It's just percent increases. And I don't even want to bother looking into that. But to me, when you're always using percentages,

it's probably because the absolute values are insignificant and they don't look good on paper. So you're going to use the, you're going to use the figure that makes things look better, which is how people like to frame arguments. And we have probably left out Tanner, the maybe one of the most interesting parts of the documentary.

And that was the penis study. Yeah. Yes. So they get the guy who literally wrote the book on penises because he wrote a book about penises yeah and they get these three guys and uh they put it's like a loop you what was one around was one around like your balls and one around the shaft something like oh no it's no it was both around the shaft on different parts of the shaft and you go to sleep and this thing measures how many boners you get while

you're sleeping yes and so they measure these guys how many intensity of the boners yeah the intensity and the duration and the you know how often you're getting boners so they do it just one night and then again after up eating a plant-based diet after eating a plant-based diet for a day and check their boners. And it's one of those things where the guys all had like between 150 and 300% increase in boners. Was it like times they had boners? I think it was like both. They measured like two different things.

It was like strength of the boner and like how many boners. So these guys all got like more boners while they were sleeping. The doc, like they're all laughing about it a lot and they're all like college age guys. You know, the whole thing was so funny to them, but when it was all said and done,

the doctor goes, now this was in no way scientific. Like, so what did we just do there? Then you just talked about all the stuff and then when it was all done you go and by the way this wasn't a scientific study at all right it was just purely anecdotal like we just uh put this thing on these guys cocks and just saw how long they could get boners for what a weird into being on camera what a weird uh weird study to be a part of and

sleeping like that also i is they don't make it super clear is getting a bunch of and sleeping like that. Well, but also, they don't make it super clear. Is getting a bunch of boners while you're sleeping, is that good? So if that's the argument, should you strive to have a continuous eight-hour boner while you're sleeping? That's when you're supposed to call your doctor. After eight hours, right?

No, the joke is you call a hooker at that point, Tanner. But no, that one was just very unclear. It was kind of like, hey, guys. Well, it was just silly. Yeah, it was like a really silly thing. So the documentary, again, was trying to be like, we're very serious about performance and all this stuff. And then they slip in this boner thing.

But here's this anecdotal boner study on three guys. That was kind of a joke that also they got done and they said this isn't actually scientific but right maybe there's something here maybe i'm looking to see if there's anything left here that's about all i had for noel stan. Okay. So what about general thoughts of your... Oh, one thing. They said Carl Lewis was on a plant-based diet when he's setting all his records.

Didn't Carl Lewis actually technically fail steroids tests, but through some loophole got to... Yeah, he's on Bigger, Stronger, Faster. Yeah, because he like failed his test. Isn't that fairly well documented that he did test positive, but through some crazy loophole, and of course he's always going to admit that he was innocent or he's always going to say that he's innocent,

but also through some weird loophole, like he's managed to keep his records. And there again, the steroids are going to significantly outweigh whether he's on a pretty healthy rounded diet or a pretty healthy vegan plant-based diet is the x factor yeah yes yes who's juiced and who's not because uh carl lewis obviously genetic genetically was talented at running fast yeah then he if he potentially also took steroids and made him run even faster whether which version of a healthy diet he was on

i don't believe that was the you know assuming like you take two different versions of healthy diets one vegan plant-based and one that includes meat yeah that's still healthy that's not that's that's kind of where i come to of the the whole thing of the show is i don't even i'm not even going to argue that uh vegan plant-based is not healthier like i believe there some things they say and stuff like i'm like yeah that that probably could be true i don't know i'm not going to research enough to fully understand it but i'm not going to argue against it because it very well could be healthier but when you look at just purely performance i'm not convinced after no more convinced after watching that that vegan plant

based diets or whole food plant-based diets are optimal for for performance and especially not for sports that require high levels of strength yes and as far as convincing me they put some things in there that were just flat out wrong or framed in ways that they should have never been presented to people which made me distrust the thing right from almost the get-go yes like this this lady is not doing actual 525 pound leg presses for 10 reps for eight sets or whatever it is because she's on a plant-based diet. Also your bench press is not increasing by 20% because you are 19% because you drink beet juice. Like those things are dumb.

Get those out of the documentary. All they're doing is hurting the cause. Yeah. And that's what, yeah. So I guess, I guess in review, I don't have a problem with plant-based diets.

I think for most people they would be healthier eating a plant-based diet. Oh yeah. Because you're cutting all the shit. Yeah. But I don't think it's like the wonder cure-all this guy frames it as. Right. He was also, they had him on the Joe Rogan podcast to debate. I heard that was good. To debate another guy about it.

Yeah. For, I think it was like three and a half hours they talked. I made it about 30 minutes in. I couldn't do it anymore because the guy was so annoying this guy this guy everything he would say the guy would start to talk and the guy was the other guy was very low-key mellow yeah he was like no nope nope play and he would just like it was steamrolling like you couldn't he wouldn't let the other guy talk it's like what is he would just no you're wrong you are wrong you are wrong creator of the yeah the wilks

whoever he is and i also i don't know if this is fact but it's something i saw and if this is true this is also makes me more skeptical that he he owns a plant-based supplement company that wouldn't surprise me because at the end of the video at the end of the documentary it said for like i think it said for nutrition tips plans and like more information check out gamechangers.com and that's when i thought oh that website definitely isn't just a resource to go see other people's websites it's a resource to go to buy his stuff just like how stan efforting magically produced all types of videos around nutrition when he had a nutrition plan to sell. Not that there's anything wrong with that. That's part of marketing. But maybe this whole

thing is just part of him. Really good marketing because everyone's talking about it. Yeah, absolutely. I think I read it was the number one selling documentary of all time on iTunes, I think. I think I've heard stuff like that too so it's it's it's blowing up he's getting a ton of publicity why would he want to die on this cause so hard is it because he has financial gains in it because he's getting rich or is it just because he purely purely just wants to see the average person um on a plant-based diet and produce cookbooks and do all types of stuff for free i don't think that's what it is. I think it's because he has something to gain monetarily.

And like you said, not that there's anything, I don't think that there's anything wrong with trying to gain monetarily. I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but it's just how, how genuine is your approach with all this. Yep. So with all those,

we kind of covered the whole movie for you. Really, it's spoiler alert. Wow. We've whole movie for you. Spoiler alert. Wow. We've been talking for a long time. Yeah, I didn't think we'd actually talk about it that long. But if you're really interested, I guess you could still watch it. Otherwise, we pretty much covered everything else.

Yeah. And that's the Game Changers. All right. Well, we don't have much time left, do we? We don't. Are we going to do overrated, underrated? We can if you want. Okay, we can do it quick.

We can do it quick. We'll do it quick. Okay. First, we have to very quickly review last week's. Mad Libs, you said overrated. The people said 67% underrated. They said they went against you. I didn't know much about Mad Libs.

I do think it is more towards kids, too, the more we talk about it. That would make sense. Foam Rolling, what did you say? I think I said overrated and that people said 63 overrated so agreeance shower beers i think i said overrated also because it can wait 30 seconds 80 underrated i think people like the idea of the idea until you execute on it and it's like oh this wasn't as good as i thought it'd be star wars you said underrated i think 50 50 was it really toss up coin toss that's our first ever i think yeah yep coin toss on the star wars i i actually never thought we would get a real 50 yeah yeah cool and i suppose uh i think a lot of people like star wars but it's rated pretty you

know it's a big deal so maybe it uh it's also probably, you know, one of the highest rated sci-fi type series. So I could understand the overrated argument. Right, right, right. Okay. So this week's topics. Topic number one, something we kind of touched on last week, but I thought it could just be its own topic even. Cards Against Humanity or Apples to App, or insert that game where you do that thing. So when that first came out, the novelty factor was very real.

It was, this is new, this is exciting, this is different, I haven't played anything like this before. It was crude, rude, and a fun party game. And it was great, and everyone ate it up. Now, I don't do those. I don't do it. I don't do it. You know why?

Because when I go to a party, I want to talk to people and have fun and do stuff. I don't want everyone to have to be stuck sitting around a table, focusing, paying attention to the rules, talking when it's their turn to talk, having the music turned down so that we can hear what's going on.

I don't want to do that at a party. I just want to do my thing, have fun, see what happens. And Cards Against Humanity doesn't let that happen. Plus, it's just way overplayed. It's played out. Cards Against Humanity, overrated. Overrated. Underrated or overrated, Jason Momoa.

My only real experience with Jason Mom momoa is game of thrones season one uh-huh i i don't uh aquaman yeah aquaman i heard it sucked bad it sucks i'm not gonna watch it to find out because i'm gonna believe enough people said that that it was bad that i don't need to waste my time what else has he done besides that frontier i think is a netflix show that's is it yeah i think it's he's like uh uh the fur trade he's like a fur trader guy kind of a big kind of like what he's always you know he's like a big scary i also feel like he kind of plays yeah he's a typecast which you're gonna be when you look like that and have that but i i'm gonna say overrated okay overrated on just because i haven't seen frontier yet it's probably the best thing well i mean game of thrones is well yeah

like he's not that big of a part in game of thrones but the only thing though the thing i like about jason momoa is he's an actor that's big. Actually, not that jacked. No. But like a lot of times, yeah, a lot of times like the most popular actors, they're all like small. So I'm just like, yeah, it's just a big guy that's kind of, he's not, like he doesn't have a six pack. And he's like, yeah, pretty. But yeah, there's not a whole lot of like manly man actors anymore. You have The Rock.

You know, The Rock. Yeah, but he's unrealistically jacked. Yeah. I'm trying to think of who even else action stars. That's typically who did that. Vin Diesel isn't a person anymore. He's not a thing. Not a good one. And he was never jacked either.

Right. Liam Neeson was never jacked he was he somehow he was an action star sylvester stallone was jacked but he was small yeah uh yeah he kind of fits that part i'm still gonna say underrated oh i'm gonna say overrated overrated okay overrated or underrated tick tock i right now confession i have absolutely no idea what it is other than it's a social media thing that people are you probably have seen videos of it popping up though right i don't know if i i know people are talking about it but i'm not sure what it is i think at this point right now well i do think tiktok is a little overhyped a little bit um there's also the whole thing of it being

basically ran by the chinese government which is dependent on how you feel about human rights and privacy and all that there's a lot to think about there what is the format of it though like it's a social media thing right like yeah like i'm just thinking is it how is it to instagram like is it is it like instagram do you get on there post something on. I guess I haven't actually used it. Yeah. But the way I understand, just because I didn't want to set up an account. Yeah. But the way I understand it is, it's just like everything.

You have a feed. You follow people. And it's videos? Yeah. For the most part, the way I see is people overdubbing stuff. It lets you overdub. You can play music, and it dubs over it, and you reenact the music or the scenes or whatever it is. Do you remember Vine music or the scenes or whatever it is i've seen

jimmer like vine you know back in the day i've seen a lot of people like more recently where i've been entertained it's like using it as more of a vine format where they're just kind of like doing funny little skits with it and i like that but it's one of the biggest social it's one of the biggest social media networks right now it's blowing up huge especially with like younger demographics part of me wants to say it's overrated um i've heard from a business standpoint right now there's almost no business tools in place so if you have a business on it other than getting like exposure so there's no need for a massonomics tiktok yet i don't think there is yet uh i don't know i think i think i'm probably gonna sound like an old guy when i say this and you could probably play this in like a year or two and it's gonna be like whoa

what a loser yeah but i do think tiktok is a little overrated i think it is a little overrated not just gonna say it's overrated flat out but i do think it is a little overrated okay that's for nothing else than the chinese factor man come on i didn't know that so that's yeah don't like that last topic for today overrated underrated saturday night live snl like in its entirety or or right now this season currently because there's a lot of ways to slice this one i'm just we'll just you know when i said it i was thinking more about this season but i guess we'll just, you know, when I said it, I was thinking more about this season, but I guess we'll just say in general or not even just this season, but like kind of this cast. But it's like a lot of stuff you're judged by your last performance.

Yeah. Yeah. So when people say, is SNL good? That's why I'm more thinking of, yeah. You know, I don't really keep up with SNL anymore. And I think SNL is one of those things where people always think their generation is the best. A lot of like music, you know, a lot lot of times people just the music they listen to when they were between the ages of like 17 and 25 was

the best music ever same thing i think with snl a lot of people think like the snl that i watched from the time i was 14 to 20 right like when i was a kid then i was first starting to stay up late and when i yeah starting to be in college with my buddies yeah and that's like for me that age was kind of well at first as a kid you know like watching it it was like will ferrell would be on and you could kind of catch i think we caught maybe the end of mike myers but definitely like adam sandler yeah but that was like little and to me it was like oh these are just weird people doing weird stuff and it was totally fun and you definitely didn't get a lot of the jokes but then you know we in our college age that's like when andy samberg and the whole lonely island thing came yeah

jimmy fallon jimmy fallon i mean they had a lot going on then just if if anything if you even just said lonely island with just the the um jizzed in my pants and i just had sex those things were huge like that was the first time that people were doing really crazy parody videos with awesome production value and making actual songs out of it. And I don't think, I personally don't think Saturday Night Live is as relevant socially now as it was 10 years ago,

maybe even five years ago, but for sure 10 years ago i don't hear people talking about it much anymore i don't i don't think their skits go viral like they used to either you know where things used to blow up uh i do like saturday night live but i also think as a comedy thing that they just all what i think i've said this before like the the easiest thing is oh let's make jokes about politics and Donald Trump. It is so political. And I'm like, well, maybe just try to be funny and have a different. That's the angle everyone takes.

Regardless of how you feel about Trump, I just want to see a different joke. That's where at least some comedians make jokes about other things. It is so political. I've watched mostly all of this season and it's just so much about politics i learn more from politics from senate than i do anything else because i avoid it there's politicians doing a lot of weird shit right now that they need to be called out in some way because the stuff they're doing is insane and it is a joke some of the stuff these people say too it is an absolute joke that like, that is actually what a person, a real,

a real adult with an actual brain did that and said that. What? And you can say that about both sides. Right. Yes. It's just like, Oh, that's how actual adults work nowadays.

That's how actual baby boomers act in this day and age. Uh, I don't know. I think it's a little overrated. I, I don't think it has the, I don't think it has the, the shine it used to. Yeah. That's not to say they couldn't get it back, but I don't think it's there it's a little overrated. I don't think it has the shine it used to.

That's not to say they couldn't get it back, but I don't think it's there right now. My notes on Saturday Night Live is Weekend Update has always been and is my favorite part of the show by far. Colin Jost and Michael Che are the ones that do it now, and they're both good. Yeah, I think they're funny.

They're funny, and Kate McKinnon is by far the best person on the show right now. What one is she? She's, I don't know. She's kind of a blonde. Like in the thing at the beginning, she has blonde hair. She plays like every person in every skit for the whole show. So she always has different colored hair.

But she does like Nancy Pelosi and like all these different uh women politicians oh she does uh the guy that used to be the mayor of new york oh oh yeah she's the one that gets like abducted by aliens yeah yeah yeah yeah she she she is the best one on the show uh yeah she's very talented yeah she's good she's really good there's some people on the show that are really bad where i'm like when she does justin bieber her justin bieber is really funny too yeah she's good she's really good there's some people on the show that are really bad where i'm like when she does justin bieber her justin bieber is really funny too yeah she she's really funny i mean like almost everything she makes most of the skits there's not that many that she's not in um but there's some people that are really bad i do not find keenan thompson good he's just been

on there for so long i do not find i've heard people say that he is he's being groomed to take lauren michaels place okay you know as the producer and the runner of it all who's the guy the crazy guy that used to date whoever you want to pick and uh pete davidson he also as far as skits go he's terrible he's kind of a wild cannon because you don't know what you're like he could be funny but he could also just do like almost nothing which he does sometimes but he does do some add some things to the show that are pretty funny because he is just so off the wall yeah but what did you what was your final i said over okay overrated on snl okay so that wraps up overrated underrated we probably got to wrap up the show did we break a new pr not? Tanner, we are at an hour and 37 minutes.

We shattered a new PR. Also, it is 1042 at night, and it's way too late. It's way too late. We do have to end then. So I won't even tell you that much about all our good stuff. Tanner, I got work I got to do tomorrow, man. We won't tell you that much about all the stuff you need to buy, but just make sure to buy it.

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