Massenomics Podcast - Ep.198: Talking About Our Training

Episode Date: January 20, 2020

Do we even still Lift? We fill you in on what the two of us have been up to in the gym, and what we have planned for the future.  We also upgraded a pretty cool piece of equipment in our podcast studio. Hybrid Performance Method: https://hybridperformancemethod.com/ and use code MASS to save 5% on all programs Lifting Large: https://www.liftinglarge.com/ and use code MASS20 to save on Lifting Large branded products Spud Inc.: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcast and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! All right. Thank you, Kaz, Donnie Thompson. everything massonomics all right thank you kaz donnie thompson met uh matt from pioneer and uh it's gino you know am i catching them all there big gino yeah so thanks those guys for that beautiful intro this is episode 198 of the massonomics. We are the lifting podcast about nothing. And I don't know if this sounds any different to you guys. I guess we'll get more into that in a little bit. There's some big changes over here on our end.

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so 198 we just got to listen to our intro here for the first time it's you know the the listener probably won't know but we made some pretty big equipment changes here and i'm jacked about it it is uh well looking at the board so you So you would be more better fit to explain what changed here. What is it that we changed on our podcast? So we, I like to think of myself as a bit of a tech guy. I am not. A techie. Well, I'm not like a guy that understands the finer points of audio.

I don't. I just don't understand how all of that works. I know enough of the basics, but our old setup created by Mr. Tyler Effingstein himself, Tyler was a bit more of an audio guy than me. And Tyler understood, he just like showed up. He had an, he had the mixing board. He had the headphone splitters, the, the microphones, the XLR cords to get everything going. It was all patched together and he knew how to do it i didn't know how to do any of that so when when we took it over from him um we literally took a picture of the board and we're like all right we'll just copy what tyler

did and then we're good to go and that's kind of what we did it It's just like, well, it's not broken. So there's nothing to fix. Right. And, but we, we, like you said, we actually took a, took a picture on our phone to have it.

And like, okay, we can see where all the cables go. We had this mixing board with four different channels. It had all these extra things, just stuff we didn't understand in general. And we just, it produced,

I think fine enough audio, you know, outside of one episode. Yeah. Except for like the time we made an obvious mistake. I don't think anyone really complained about our audio. So it was perfectly acceptable and it worked for what it was. But we're going to talk about here.

We have some plans for the future. And so with that setup, we were just in the dark and it wasn't conducive to what we're trying to do. So we finally, you know, after some some of that just sweet, sweet podcast money, we didn't just blow it all on ourselves. We're investing it back into the program here for you listeners. So we bought this new mixing board, and not only does it look really cool. It does look really cool.

It's got these bright buttons. We can do crazy stuff like... No, we're not podcasting in front of an audience we just have sweet sound effects now that's probably the these are probably the ones these are super cheesy but we could change that and i mean we can change it whenever we want but we just have these sound effects available to us so i'm just saying that's like the what's get ready for it absolutely is i mean we're a second away from cas at any moment so we have all these options now so we're excited about stuff um i just like it that we never have to be too far away from hearing cas tell us yeah just to know that kaz is a button push away what more could you ever want in life so we have that option now and tanner and i we've we've

discussed this you know we have big plans for the year we've said that multiple times this is one piece of the puzzle and uh puzzle we'll say what's this episode 198 this is 198 um two episodes you'll find out how that puzzle piece fits do it's together we do we okay how many times do you think we've said that we have something big planned for like something actually yes we should put a disclaimer on this one we always say we have something big we actually do have something big planned for this especially in the scheme of our the mass economics podcast like kicking off as far i actually like to think of it this way season one was episode zero through 100 yeah season two was episodes 101 through

199 season three is gonna be crazy man season three is gonna be good so seasons are like a year and a half long you know they consist of it's just a modest 100 episode season like you know like a lot of respectable shows do and we there's no reason we couldn't technically talk about what we're going to do but we're not going to just because we love surprises we just want this teaser hanging out there for for two two weeks but it really is going to change it is yes there is going to be a hard line where it's like okay the massonomics podcast change is different not like they're not doing the stuff we know and love yeah but they're doing it in a different way now so we're very very excited about it and we could actually do it even earlier but we are just waiting because it has to go on episode 200 it has to be there is a line in the sand which 200

is going to be a it's a big deal and two yes and yes so most importantly 200 is a really big special so from 200 on there's going to be some changes you know when the majority of those episodes but 200 especially it's really going to be a special episode we're pulling out some serious stops i mean how many podcasts have 200 episodes right why why did this podcast get to 200 episodes and with plans, it's going to go well above 200 now. If you're listening to this like a few weeks into the future from right now and like say you're one of those people that you listen to this. You just found the Mastodonomics podcast six months ago and you're listening to this huge log and you're on 198 right now.

You know, let's say we're in year, it's like 2022 right now and you just you just found out about us i would even just stop this episode and go listen to 200 screw it yeah they've already made it sound like this next episode and a half isn't going to matter so let's just move on you know how like it's almost a weekly thing that someone says i just found your podcast i'm on episode 102 or like I'm on episode 64. Like that happens all the time that people say, I just found it.

I'm up to episode X, Y, Z, which is always so funny to think that it's like, actually one of the gym members, I was telling you this Tanner told me that he just started listening to the podcast and he's like, you know, you guys reference like a lot of stuff from old episodes. I wasn't sure where to jump in I'm like man

that goes back like a hundred plus episodes like there's nowhere to jump in other than right now yeah that's true that is right but so this thing is really cool looking for me you say you're not necessarily a audio expert I'm not necessarily an expert on anything tech-related whatsoever, but I can tell you this thing is a different animal than what we had before. It is a different animal. What I do know, that other thing we had, I had Tommy was talking about how he didn't really know,

you know, wouldn't really know if things got out of whack, how to adjust it. I didn't even know what that thing was. I just, it's laying on the floor over here. I did a quick count on my head. I counted about 56 knobs on it. Like, that's not an exaggeration there's roughly 56 knobs what what the i know what about four of them did and what the other 52 did no idea we had all these extra other things that you had to plug in it yeah multiple cords multiple wires running everywhere now it's one

beautiful board this thing that we have now which is road brand yeah so so in case anyone is wondering and we do have the roadcaster pro made by road because there could be some other podcasters listening yeah and if you uh you know this is the this is the first recording so if you are interested and you have the budget for it uh the roadcaster pro so far we have amazing things to say about and and i can say like just you know the little bit of a tutorial that you've given me on this, I could set this up and you, like I might not understand the finer points of doing some of the cooler stuff

that you can even do with it, but I could set it up and record good podcast audio and be able to manage the files and stuff without more than like 15 minutes of looking at it. That's basically what it is. You are right. It's very straightforward. I saw a review that said,

this would be like if Apple made something. I'm like, that's exactly what it is. It just kind of works. You push the buttons and it does what you want it to. There's not all these super confusing menus. I mean, there's a few advanced things if you want to dig in,

but you don't have touchless if you don't want to. I really like that I can see this clock. And you have the clock. I've always had the clock on my computer before that was the other thing we'd record directly into the computer yeah now we're recording directly to the board so i always knew the clock tanner never knew no i had to keep the pace for us it's a tanner it's getting late we got to keep going but now it's like just thinking in my head now it's like jeez we've been recording for 10

minutes we've already been talking about this board for 10 minutes yeah so yeah we won't go on too much longer but uh guys this is season three starting soon yes stay tuned stay tuned uh tanner it's early on in the podcast so uh i believe i'm just i just need a refreshment so you know what that means nope not that what's in that can all right actually it's not it's not a what's in that can it's just uh we're just it's a pample oh okay we're just getting right to it it's not the cricket chirp what's in the can no it's not the cricket chirp it's the real deal what's in that can oh it could we could have a sound effect where it's like some uh frat boys like chugging beers and cheersing and stuff like that ah yeah the crowd's going wild yep uh the supple pample see we can do things like that now you know you sell enough pairs of lift shorts the

world can be yours realistically though we cut you know we have added added sponsors in season two of the podcast and uh you know you kind of said like we are you know this thing piece of equipment costs some money we're kind of trying to bump that into uh see we're invested it's an investment we're reinvesting it back into the show we do we invest we invest so hard on this stuff buy low and sell high yeah absolutely uh this is actually kind of a weird podcast for us, Tanner, because one, it's on a Thursday. Yep, that is weird. Fun fact about me, I'm in a bowling league.

Oh, yeah, you just came from bowling. I was at my bowling league before this. You were just telling me you bowled your first ever perfect game. Yeah, except I didn't. It'd be pretty cool if you did, though. It would be much cooler if I did, but I did not. Um,

I did drink a lot of beers at bowling. That is, I think that's kind of like the unofficial rule. Work beers or bowling beers. They were bowling beers. Bowling beers. Just they were, they were the real deal. Yeah.

Um, so I am a multi-sport athlete. I guess bowling beers means beer out of a, a white plastic cup. Do they serve, serve it in pictures or do they have i just i just drink it out of a bottle it's like my one time it's like i order bottles of beer when i go out for some reason that just stuck with me i'm like i you know you get cans you get taps very

rarely do i drink beer out of a bottle i like beer out of a bottle it's better than there's i like it better than tap it's weird there's some level of refreshment to a bottle though i i would take beer out of a bottle any day of the week over the alternatives, but I know, but people say tap beer is the best beer, correct? That's, I think,

I think if it's like fresh and the set of ideas, cause it's usually the freshest. Yeah. If it's, yeah. If it's like, but you can definitely go to places. I,

I know firsthand you've experienced this where you order something on tap that's probably just been on tap way too long it's like the same this doesn't taste right at all right and i was like this doesn't taste like a pomple mousse lacroix yeah it tastes like pomegranate the flavors they're all cross-contaminated it's all off you know but so you did have some brewskis at bowling and but you didn't bolt you didn't have enough aiming fluid eating i didn't have enough well actually this was a very weird week for me i had a meeting before so i was actually i my bowling league starts at 4 30 on a thursday really how does that work for everyone well does you always start at 4 30 funny thing my league is almost all people over the age of 50 with the exception of like there's now up to i think four massonomics do you always start at 430 funny thing my league is almost all people over the age of 50 with the exception of like there's now up to i think four massonomics gym members the massonomics the

massonomics gym is actually infiltrating this bowling league it's mostly retired people and now massonomics gym members and a funny story into this story we just had a new member of the gym join the other day and he was walking in while you were walking in. Fellow bowling league member. And he goes, Tanner, what are you doing? Recruiting the bowling league guys now to come to the gym? Yeah, so the bowling league is well represented by Massanomics. But yeah, so it starts at 4, which is the worst time in the world. Actually, I shouldn't say that.

It is the best time in the world for a bowling league to start. You get in, you get your three games, you get to drink, you get you get home and i'm home by like seven o'clock so you can just like come home relax eat go to bed early it's a great way to uh it's a great way to wind down your week on a thursday you know right yeah that's good it's it is crazy it starts at 4 30 that that works for there's enough people that that works for like i said most people are right actually most people are over the age of 60 right yeah right right uh and we couldn't record last night i had basketball practice and you had basketball practice tan we just have too many sports in our eyes yeah so we're on a thursday night and we're pretty late here too it's actually very late for

us uh i did i have some recommendations though i i don't throw i did kind of throw a recommendation out like a week or two ago with uncut gems yep and i have heard from other people that that is really good they did enjoy okay i have two recommendations one of these i didn't hear about from like anyone and i'm blown away that i didn't one i it is i think pretty universally accepted the first one 1917 the movie war movie i really want to see that okay get this get this so tanner and i we live in a town aberdeen south dakota population 28,000 25 yeah i always say yeah it's like it's between 25 i mean when you count there's some we'll say the suburbs but when you count, there's some, we'll say the suburbs, but when you count the greater metropolis, there's probably close to 30,000 people within a 10 mile area.

And also for those, those that listen to this, that live a long ways from away and don't understand we're 300 miles away from anything bigger. Yeah. Yeah. Anything. Yep. And yeah, if you want to talk closer, the biggest cities to us would be like sioux falls south dakota fargo minneapolis yeah that's where we're so we're the we're the biggest thing in the middle of nowhere right like really middle of nowhere right so our city has an absolute dog shit movie theater and

that's not an exaggeration that's what i mean being elitist it's dog shit yeah there's no reason a city of this size should have a theater that's this bad did you go to water god awful so my wife and i we were we were we had time on sunday nothing going on she says let's drive there's a city 120 miles away that has a nice theater watertown watertown yeah and i know and see she said we've never talked about this before but i know about the nice watertown i've never been there but it's something people talk about. And we've heard people talk about it. I've never been to it. She goes, should we go to the Watertown Theater? And I said, let's check what's there.

I mean, it's an hour and a half. It takes an hour and a half to get there. It's 120 miles. It takes a long time to get there. We better know what we're going to see before we go. And I said, okay. And we looked, 1917 showing at a time that's good for us to go watch the movie, get back.

So we said, all right, let's do this this so we hop in the car we go the weather was just by chance cooperating not like it is right now when it's negative 40 or whatever it is and we go to 1917 first of all you go to a theater where there's customer service the concessions are fresh and not shitty yeah and already it's like i'd never even been to a theater where you go and you pick your seat like you have to pick your seat pick it ahead of time even yeah you can pick it ahead of time yeah i just my theater experience is so limited i haven't gone to nice theaters obviously then they're like and they full on reclining all the way yeah and on top of that the screen is enormous and the sound is actually a legit sound system and

watching 1917 i'm not going to give away like spoilers but in case you don't know so it's a world war one movie yep british soldiers and the whole movie is shot to look like it's one continuous take like it never cuts so you're just following so you like the tension just keeps riding because you are in it with these guys and it was really really cool it was it was a great experience i do want to see that movie yeah so i would if you're if you like action movies or war movies of any kind it is a hands-down one you have to see it was amazing so um i was blown away i probably sound like a sheltered kid right now because i went to a theater way too far away to go see something but sometimes that's what you gotta do it's pretty terrible though

it's really bad i went uh i tried my wife and i tried to go to a movie about a month ago and we had to leave because they didn't realize the heat wasn't working i walked into the theater and saw multiple people with hats coats and everything bundled up and we sat down and my wife goes nope and while we walked out we saw like 10 other couples walk out and they didn't even know their heat wasn't working and we went again shortly after that and it wasn't a much better experience and it's super depressing is mark cuban the one that owns the i mean he doesn't own the mall that our theater's in but the the what is the the aberdeen theater oh it's an AMC. Is that the company that,

I think that might be what Mark Cuban owns. Oh, I don't know. I think so. I'm not sure. I wouldn't be surprised if he has some part of it. Yeah, I think he does. I don't know. We'll say that.

He does. Yeah, well, if you work for AMC or you're connected to AMC, just know that your presence in Aberdeen, South Dakota sucks bad. It's really bad. So that is the first recommendation I have. The second recommendation, Netflix. I've heard of Netflix. Streaming platform, amazing stuff. So it's better than cable? It's better than cable. The show, Don't Fuck With Cats. Have you seen or heard about this at all? I don't think so. All right. I saw this on there and the title, Don't Fuck.

I will say right away, probably the worst title they could give a piece because it turned me off immediately. Because I'm not a cat guy. I don't wish bad things on cats, but I just, I don't care about cats. I'm like basically allergic to them. I just, I don't have any feelings for cats. That's not my thing. So to see a documentary titled don't fuck with cats and then it says like this guy broke the internet's number one rule don't fuck with

cats it's like why does that have anything to do with me like it has nothing and i had heard my brother and his girlfriend talking about like oh yeah there's like this documentary about this guy that like tortures cats and kills them and it shows way too much of it and so then we're sitting there my wife turns and i'm like what it's just a documentary about a guy that tortures cats i have i don't want to see animals tortured like i want nothing to do that i struggle with that actually and she goes no just let's just we'll just watch it and of course it gets to it fairly quick of this guy torturing cats and it probably showed maybe a little more than it should. It doesn't show the whole thing, but it probably shows, I mean,

enough for you to very understand what's going on. But then it gets into, whoa, this is an insane, insane crazy story. And that's all I can say. It's a three-episode thing. We talked about evil genius on this podcast way long ago. me this blows evil genius out of the water um as far as a story goes it might even be crazier than like making a murderer i was gonna say where how does it making a murder it is it is wild and it's it's all based off of people on the internet and you have like these facebook sleuths trying to figure out how to what this guy is doing.

It's written in this guy is like posting his crimes on like Facebook and like your live leaks and websites like that that like will allow you to post things. Yeah. And it's a trip, man. I highly recommend it. It's it is a wild ride. I don't know. I really, really don't like the animal thing uh yeah it's tough for me to watch like uh it's even more like i could watch a um movie more

that's doing it to people than yeah yeah and i mean it's start i'll just the first one it starts with this guy that comes out like within minutes of the first episode this guy releases a video of him of him vacuum sealing cats in a bag and killing them. It's like, okay, yes, that's bad. And they show like kind of too much of it.

Uh huh. And it's like, but if you, you got to make it past that part so you can see more. No, I mean, it does. And then it only gets to the,

it only gets worse. But this guy is, it is just crazy. The way it all ties together in the end i i give it a recommendation all right so get on that people all right recommendation i have is uh to check out the sale on massanomics.com yes you're where i'm actually wearing i'm wearing two oh did you take advantage of the sale tanner i walked away with one of the hoodies and a pair of joggers.

30% off, as a matter of fact. Yeah, so the sale is, if you're listening to this, we're recording this. By the time this comes out, you'll have three-ish days to take advantage of it. We're running until the 24th. Okay, 24th of January. Code STAYWARM.

And that saves you 30% on all Mastanomics hoodies and the joggers. Yes. So everything that's kind of our fall, wintery wear, 30% off. We've got our camo hoodie, our lift crew neck, and our bench heavy hoodie. And the joggers, like you said. Those four items. All 30% off. 30% off of those items ends up being 12 off of each

item too pretty significant saving something you can't afford to not do but the the catch i guess is we already have sold a shitload of all of them the catch is your size probably is yeah there are some sizes that have ran out it's certainly worth checking that we still have a decent number of inventory of each one left but it is of limited sizing yeah so if you gotta wear that right and and we don't have plant actually as a matter of fact i would just say we're not reordering any of them anytime real soon i think most of them are all things that would come back at some point in time yeah but they might be in a different style like it might not if it's a hoodie now it might be a crew neck the next time it might be a zip so it's these

probably aren't going to exist in their current state right again for quite a while i'm wearing the uh camo eagle hoodie i my wife has the bench heavy hoodie i really like the bench heavy hoodie too the bench heavy hoodie is very buyers seem to like the bench hoodie yeah and then if or if you're more into the crew neck the lift would be the way to go now i don't want to like give away our secrets and make us go broke but i did see someone throw out the idea of you could technically buy the joggers and cut them off and turn them into lift shorts and be circumventing having i mean not having to pay lift short pricing like yes that is an option I can't in good faith recommend that

because I mean that's taking money out of our pockets but if you're adventurous that would be possible it would cut off off a majority of the logo well you could go with more of like a like an early 2000 super baggy style you know like like that mid shin short right right right you know

where you just have a few inches of ankle showing yes like that mid-shin short. Right, right, right. You know? That's really hot right now, too. Where you just have a few inches of ankle showing. Right, yes. Probably not the best for squatting, but that could be your bench shorts, I guess. Yeah, oh, yeah, for sure. So, yeah, do that. Someone do that and send us a picture.

We also, it's probably not even worth mentioning right now, we had some discounted items in our sale tab. You know, there's some hats, some new era hats that we were selling for $15. Those are probably gone, and there was a couple shirts that we're selling for about 11 or so i would assume those are gone at this point too yes but you could still check yeah won't hurt to check if you're a bargain hunter there could be a size or two left it's possible but that's probably the way things are going right now but right now. We'll have like one or two in inventory of those things, and it'll be in a size that maybe you're the person that it's going to fit.

You are that lucky person. You're going to be that lucky person. So that is my recommendation for the week is go check it out. I like that recommendation. That's a good one, Taylor. That's a really good recommendation. I liked it. You know what I'm going to recommend we do right now?

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Hills, yeah. Oh, oh yeah we need a sound effect that's like the catching of money or it's like we play that every time we say the words lip shorts yeah i'm gonna i'm getting that for next week we don't need we don't need that no we're never gonna have that no that doesn't belong that's enough, but that's true. No, we don't need that one either. No, that needs to be the sound of money. What if we're going to have a really suspenseful segment? Yeah, no, we need like a cash register.

Yeah. That's the sound that we need. Right, right. That would be the one. Yep. We'll get that lined up for people next week yeah see we're just going to be in constant improvements now that we got this i mean it's just never ending constantly better sound effects that we can it will i mean if someone has great

suggestions for a sound that they think we need to incorporate let us know and that's actually what we've been leading to about epherson 200s we're gonna have really cool sound we'll have five great sound effects uh it'll make the podcast the hour-long podcast just fly by while we're constantly hitting podcast sound effects over and over again you guys will love it it makes us makes us uh okay we get it they got enough money to afford a soundboard for sound effects yeah yeah cool guys it makes us kind of feel like we're like radio disc jockeys that, you know, is out here spinning tunes and hitting these one liners. You also wearing the Bench 315 shirt today. We didn't talk about that.

I was just thinking as you're wrapping wrapping your sponsorships there. But good looking shirt there. Big skull on the back. Great looking shirt. We're going to jump into today's feature presentation oh all right and the we were gonna talk about it but people just been dying to know and that is everyone wants to know what's been happening with our training lately with our training we haven't probably talked about our lifting in 20 episodes oh i think even more than that probably it's been a long time at the beginning

of the podcast and you know the first year that's kind of what we talked about i suppose is mostly every episode is what we had you know we were like young children we were just building a personality at that time we didn't know who we are who we were what we didn't have segments yet we didn't have segments yet to fill the airwaves but now we do so we don't get to talk about our training very often but it probably is worth talking our about our personal training from time to time there's probably listeners out there that didn't go back to those episodes that are like do these guys even actually lift themselves yeah do they do anything so we do so what what uh you've been back to squatting a little bit

more often and i mean probably lifting a little bit heavier than you were. For me, I was kind of in a weird spot. I had, starting about a year ago, I tweaked my back minorly. And it wasn't like a muscle thing. It was some weird nerve. I don't want to like self-diagnose because I'm not a doctor, but it was some nerve disc something. It was not muscle. It was very, in certain positions, it would pinch hard, be severe pain,

like hurt to touch my toes stuff like that so very annoying and i kind of just kept trying to fight through it and that was just only doing the thing i think that stan efferding refers to is picking the scab that's absolutely what i was doing i picked the scab for like six months not acknowledging the fact of just get, just let it sit and just chill for a little bit. And so for me, that basically consisted of, we're cutting out deadlifts, we're cutting out squatting and which is fine in our gym. We have enough other tools that I have a lot of stuff I can do. And so I kind of cut those things out and then I sort of slowly added them back in and they were just really low weights. And I was again, kind of picking the scab and finally i got to the point where i'm like you know what i'm just not gonna

do those things and also this is gonna sound crazy to a lot of people but i'm like i'm just i just don't feel like benching anymore either i just i just quit benching for like three or four months because that was for some reason kind of actually agitating my back a little bit too i'm talking about like surprised me necessarily i'm talking about like like way way low back like way low back and for some the way i bench like when i get my butt tight my legs tight and everything i tighten up my low back and it was all kind of agitating it and i was just at a point where i'm like this doesn't feel good it's not exciting to me like when it's just like a struggle every day and so i just like i quit benching i pretty much quit squat i quit doing all those things for a few months and i started getting back into them again here just recently and the thing about is like oh i'm excited about it again

like it's fun again like if it's not painful it's not painful um it's all i guess maybe depending on what your interpretation of pain is like lifting in a way is can be uncomfortable but there's a difference no it's not it's not like oh i'm it's not the exertion from like oh i'm going so hard i'm so hardcore no it's just like well no something's not working right that's what it's like all right i'm just slamming my head against a wall now yeah but just kind of let some things reset. And now I'm kind of at the point where I'm like, I'm not even really that concerned about the weight right now. It's just like, all right, things are feeling good. I'm having fun training. I'm like picking up the pace a little bit too,

where like a workout, the exact workout, you know, the weights aren't the same, but a workout that would traditionally take me an hour and a half, maybe close to two hours. Like I'm condensing that down from anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour. So it's close to two hours like i'm condensing that down from anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour so it's a much more fast-paced thing it's more upbeat at the end i'm finishing out with uh a couple different versions of cardio on the assault bike you know are that the echo bike i should say yeah and i've just i've just had a lot more fun with that lately and i think that's part of what it is too you know like i think especially as people that power lift you know you get stuck really in the three movements a lot true and i mean i can go hard in consistency you know we're gonna reach 200 episodes in this

podcast i think that says a lot to being able to be consistent with something but with never missing a week with never missing a week so consistency for me isn't an issue but it's just like i'm doing this as a hobby you know i'm doing this for fun and if it's not fun yeah if this isn't fun like what am i doing like i'm i'm not i'm just with the way things are i'm not getting ready for a meet i'm not going to be competing anytime soon i'm not going to go into a meet with like well it was several hundred pounds under my last meet but boy did i have fun like that's not fun for me to just go and have a not good performance so right i i'm where i'm at in the gym is just i want to go in have fun feel healthy feel good and enjoy myself yep and that's

what i've really tried to focus my training on especially these last few months and i've i've started to i feel like brought that back like i'm getting marks that like put on the good tunes like some songs you're getting pumped about like you're i'm not just like all right i'm here at the squat rack doing my thing it's going to be 45 minutes it's like no i'm gonna go fast with this thing and then once i get to more of my accessory type things i might bounce between three or four different exercises and almost turn into kind of a circuit and you don't necessarily feel like you have to do something where you're like well i have to do yeah and i can you know if i don't feel like doing curls on a straight bar i can do curls with the fat bells or dumbbells or whatever if i don't feel like doing i don't know leg curls i can

go do the reverse hyper or something like just kind of whatever sort of sounds fun that day. As long as I'm getting a workout in, feel like I'm getting a little bit of a pump. And that's where I'm at with my training right now. And I'm enjoying myself and I'm having fun. And you brought up a point too. It's nice that our gym is what it is now versus what it was when it very first started.

Because you really couldn't, like our gym was so small and we had such a little amount of equipment. There was only so much you could do in there. You know, outsideting benching and dead lifting a few other things there's it's kind of limited but we have grown to a point now where you you've got a lot of options yes that does make it totally possible like the echo bike was not a thing until very recently um outside of like dumbbells and something in a power rack we didn't have a lot of options for that outside of a year or two ago right and that that's growing all the time so that is the other thing too it's like we have all these other tools and why not use them and have a little fun with them like it doesn't have to be so much about well my program my workout's different now because i changed up

my rep and set scheme and that's it right no like there's actually different things going on and um well especially like you said you're not planning on doing a power lift and i don't i don't have any and i don't have it yeah i don't have a meet on the horizon anytime soon so it's just about going for me about going in the gym having fun and just feeling good i guess like food doesn't have to be my top priority of i need you know i'm as far as weight goes i'm down 30 pounds from probably a year and a half ago and yep that's totally fine like there's no reason for me to want to walk around that heavy i'm not naturally a person that wants to be heavy like 230 for me heavy is like 230 um that's just never been natural for my body like when i started this whole lifting thing i was

like 165 so over the course of lifting i managed to gain like from my lightest 70 70 pounds like i understand what it takes to get bigger i understand that concept and yeah um there's no doubt about it if you want to get strong just eat more it's like you almost don't even need to lift more you just eat more you're gonna get strong like as dumb as that sounds like that's almost the secret. Oh, yeah. I don't know many people that have added considerable strength and not also gained weight during that time. Right. I know people that have gotten stronger, but not people that have gone through crazy gains

and not also gained a lot of weight at the same time, too. They almost go hand in hand. Yes, yes. It kind of seems like, well, that's all there is to it. It's not all there is to it, but that's a big part of the puzzle for sure definitely especially when you're talking not using drugs while doing it oh yeah yeah and i'm talking a lot of times that's even going to make you heavier still anyways but like there's probably ways certain ones to use for to not or or creatine too i mean let's be honest by drugs yes the creat. Yeah. So that's kind of where my training's been.

As far as hardcore people might go, it's not hardcore at all, but that's fine. I mean, be hardcore as long as you want. That's cool, man. But Donnie Thompson talks about it a lot, and I'm nowhere near Donnie Thompson territory. But he says, you know, with this whole lifting thing, have an exit plan because once you're done with it, it will take everything from you. And you gotta, you gotta save something for yourself because it will ride you into the ground. And guess what? Next year, someone else will take your world record. And you can say, I guess I had a world record at one point, or I don't know. Are you a has been then like what's

you gotta have an exit plan. And with Donnie, his exit plan was all of these great inventions and longevity and love for training. Like that's what I get out of his posts. Yup. And not that I'm saying I have to have an, I'm 30,

I'm almost 30. I'll be 31 in like a month. And not that I'm old. Going to say you're almost 30. I was like, you're not, I'm pretty sure you're 30. I'm almost 31. I'm 30 now, but not that i'm saying i'm old and i have to be watching out

for myself but i remember when i was still just almost 31 yeah but it's pretty safe like i can i could definitely have some i could have some of my best years in front of me that is possible yep but that that that window is shrinking for sure. Without a doubt. Right. Yes. And I'm totally fine. I understand that.

My, my understand that I understand that my place in the lifting world is not being a world record breaker or a top five competitor on a national level. Like that's not who I am. Yep. My, my point is to maybe be the guy that comments on this podcast and maybe helps produce some content or apparel that people in the lifting world can get behind and find entertainment.

That's where I fit into it. And I think too many people, the obvious easy answer is, well, I fit into the lifting world because I'm the biggest, baddest lifter. Well, you're not because there's only a few people that actually fit that. And if you are now, you're not going to be a year from now, five years from now. That's not going to be a year from now, five years from now. That's not going to be the case. So figuring out where you fit in the puzzle is part of it.

And also, again, that's looking at way too much of it. I'm thinking how I have an impact. We have mass and obvious how I have an impact. You don't even have to have an impact. Just find something you enjoy doing. Yep. That would be the key, I think, is if you're having fun doing it, that you're probably doing the right thing. Yeah. And that was a really long-winded way of saying where i'm at in

training right now tanner what about you you have actually more exciting stuff going on in training than me way more exciting stuff it's relatively speaking it's probably still not all that exciting but i think it's more exciting compared to me yeah so my i had my torn acl i had surgery on that about seven and a half or eight months ago, I think. So basically everything I've been doing and still doing today is the road to recovery from that. Hashtag road recovery, baby. And it's just, it's going well. It's, you know, the recovery is going really well.

Like I'm making progress almost all the time, but it's really, really slow. But you are making progress. Yeah, I'm making progress all the time. I's really really slow but you are making progress yeah i make progress all the time i see it like you have posts you are making progress without a doubt things are going really well um it's weird i never know how to explain what my knee feels like but it still does not feel normal i'm excited it is still different actually definitely like even just sitting here i can feel it and part of it still is they took the graph from my my hamstring like they actually cut out part of that i guess it's the hamstring tendon or whatever and for people that because this does go back quite a ways you tore your acl in a strongman competition man competition doing a yoke run i think it was 700 either 700 or 725 I'll say 725 because it sounds

better but I'm not actually sure what the answer is to that keep talking keep talking to them for a second they won't know the difference and I tore that on a seven 700 pound yoke run and I just took a funny step and my knee buckled in on me and I wasn't sure at the time how serious it was but it was a torn ACL and that was probably about eight and a half months ago took me about a month to have a have surgery so I'm I think I'm getting close to about eight months post-surgery and on my ACL surgery they grafted my new ACL out of my hamstring and that's what i'm saying now is that it's it's my knee in part but it's also my kind of weak hamstring that's still something that i'm having to work on quite a bit and so was it different legs that they took them out of or was it the

same leg so what leg is it my right knee so your whole right leg is like has had yeah stuff yeah like a lot of trauma like is what it actually is like all around it's a lot of trauma and it's like it seems like eight months is a long ass time like that it should just seem it does seem like a long time but also like you're talking about like like you said a lot of trauma yeah it is a lot of trauma and that's kind of what i even said to the doctor it's like man what like this and this seems pretty pretty brutal that it takes this long and stuff but that was his point is just a significant amount of trauma and the acl surgery is like that i'll pause there there is a guy in the gym that also just had acl surgery this was actually his third one yeah so he tore one twice and like he

is recovering so much faster than i was though but he's also like 21 and i'm just about 33 so that there's a difference in age not that i'm like just like you're talking not that i'm like old as ball old balls but he's like 12 years younger than i am and that plays a part in it but um he is recovering so much faster he's at a point like a month out but was his just like scoped or was it no he did he do the exact same thing you did he did not do his graph from the hamstring i'm not sure where he did this graph from he's done it a couple different locations because he's done three of them but his graph was not a hamstring okay graph on this one i can't remember what something in like the patella i don't i don't

know i would just be making stuff up if i said any more than that but to get to my actual training what i'm kind of doing though is uh i started off squatting basically as soon as i could safely and when the doctor and the my pt you know i kind of went at the time when i was doing recovery with the physical therapist i would go three times a week. And I was really following closely what they were having me do and talking to them about what I was doing in the gym. And we're realistic, like it wasn't life's relationship where they're like, no, you can't be lifting those weights in the gym. You know, like they knew what I like to do and what I want to do and what the goals were and working towards those. So I was working with them and I don't go to physical therapy anymore.

I haven't for several months now, but I started squatting as soon as they thought it was a decent, a fair timeline. And as soon as I thought that I could, and I started with the bar and not to depth because I, I really, my knee couldn't take the range of motion yet. And I,

I still even struggle a little bit now with the range of motion on my squat. My deadlifts feel really good by now um like do you feel anything different i do string um not that much but i still the heaviest deadlift i what i've been doing for sets and reps kind of on deadlift is deadlifts i start i was doing five sets of 10 and i use that to start with very light weights on deadlifts i started when i started those i started with 135 and i went up 10 pounds a week for five sets of 10 and now you're at a thousand pounds well the heaviest i went up to was 440 pounds and that was by going up yeah you know yeah that's a lot longer it is it is oh and and by doing five sets of 10 it just

kept limiting me from doing more even if i felt like doing more because five sets of 10 sucks yeah you know it sucks yes it does uh and i was also doing a double overhand double overhand grip as much as i could which was also a another thing I was doing a to limit myself from doing more putting more weight on my knee than I should and b it was giving me something else fun to do just another thing to push like yeah it's something like a like a PR you could kind of right yeah you're right right without having to stress my knee as much it gave me gave me something to chase so I kind of used those two things to give myself something to be excited about even when my training was all in all not that exciting just doing five sets of 10 every week with maybe like five more pounds but that

was the other thing too I kind of tell myself well it is it's the most I've ever done you know like every week is the most I've ever done since I had surgery. So it's kind of like a small little win all the time. My squats, I did the same thing where I was just doing five sets of 10 all the time. I went up to 200 or to 300, five sets of 10 and kind of stopped there. And now I've gone to sets of eight on those two. And I'm going through, I went through like kind of a four-week cycle I'm kind of just doing four-week cycles right now so I went through a four-week cycle of sets of eight we're just kind of like linear period linear periodization where I go up five to ten pounds

each week maybe 15 pounds and then on the fifth week I take a little bit of a deload and then I'm going to come back around and do five sets of eight again. Hopefully the weights for each week will just be slightly heavier than the last time around. We'll probably do that a few times through. And then eventually I'll go to sets of six, except for on deadlifts. I should say I quit doing five sets of 10 and I'm now doing, and then I quit doing five sets of eight. I dropped that to three sets. So I'm backing off my volume on my deadlift because my deadlift is feeling really good. And my squat is where I historically always have struggled with more anyways.

So my deadlift just got really comfortable again. I eventually one day in the gym, I just wanted to pull five plates again and it felt really easy. I just did it for a single and then I just did it for a set of five and it felt really easy and really good. But if it didn't hurt, it didn't hurt my knee or anything,

but there's still something there that I can just feel. It feels different. Yeah. It's not completely normal yet, but I was like, okay, that's good. I'm glad I can do that.

The water that was actually the first day and the only day so far where I did that set of five with five plates and like i didn't put a belt on anything i didn't get like super pumped up and i set it down i was like oh it feels like i really just like lifted some actually did something where i'm like okay that's now i remember why that's actually fun like where i'm not just like getting through these sets of 10, just methodical, where I can kind of get into a quote-unquote heavyweight, at least for me, at least for the situation. And that was really fun. But now I've backed down. I'm doing sets of eight and adding in more squat volume,

pulling out deadlift and adding in more squat because squat's still where I feel it in my knee the most, but I feel like it's, I'm feeling it in a way where it's getting stronger and it's getting better. So I want to do a little more volume as long as I can take it. And then I do some special exercises along with that, especially to help with my hamstring. I, I was just doing a lot of reverse hyper because I really liked the reverse, sorry, glute ham raise, because I really liked the glute ham raise for the hamstring. Anyone that's done that a lot, when you get it right,

you can really feel that a lot in your hamstrings. But I pulled off of that for a while and went to switch one day to some single leg curls and realized how, this was five, six months after surgery realized how insanely much weaker my one hamstring is i mean like i've never done it one leg on that before yeah i've never thought of that and my you should try it sometimes yeah i should if they feels comparable if it feels relatively comparable i think that's a good sign i could not do half as much weight really oh where the glute ham raise was's a good sign i could not do half as much weight where the glute ham raise was starting to feel okay i could tell i was getting stronger at it

but it wasn't my bad one getting stronger i was just uh and i really didn't feel like that to me when i was doing it but i obviously it's true because it's so much weaker on the single leg so i've really been doing a lot of that and it's getting better it's helping yeah um but like you asked on deadlifts that doesn't bother my hamstring but my concern would be if i even when i did that 500 for a set of five felt perfectly fine if i went and put you know i don't know what the number is but if i went and maybe put 600 on the bar would bet that be the thing that all of a sudden my hamstring's like whoa that doesn't feel good we went too far maybe eventually i think there's a number where i got because i haven't done anything yet that's really pushing myself that much um so that's what i'm working on doing is strengthening

that hamstring and i've been using the whole process to make my squat a little bit better i think my i'm not just talking about stronger but just the way the mechanics of my squat are always bad and the way the mechanics of my squat are always bad. And the way I'm built, I don't think they're ever going to look like what someone's, when you look at someone's squat and you're like, damn, that's a good squat. Mine never is really going to look like that the way that I am. Um, but squatting, I'm more comfortable with, um, the width of my squat where I don't have to squat so narrow as I used to with a little drop,

pulling back more, less knee cave and less hip shooting up back, shooting down and good morning it up. You know, I'm, it's still something I'd always struggle with because that's, you know, I have a stronger back and that's what I default to on a bad squat.

Anyone that struggles with that knows that feeling where you just hip shoot up chest goes toward the floor and then you have to pick it back up i always struggle with that and i have to consciously think about it all all the time every rep almost to make sure i'm not doing that but it's getting better i've had an opportunity a lot of reps to do to be able to try and get those are all solid like foundational things to like yeah to be building up yes and and i have it gives me the really good reason to do it because i can't throw a whole bunch of weight on the bar anyways i have over the course of time started mixing in some progressively heavier weights in with my squat training too but i won't let myself do it until after i've done my five sets of 10 so i'm less tempted to want to throw on more weight than what's probably safe at that

point in time anyways but i've gotten up to right now where i've done like a 400 pound single doesn't feel hard it's still just really weird with my knee also i haven't worn knee sleeves yet it's that's the one that i haven't been doing like at all yeah which is really weird and i'm like i'm afraid to even use them the first time because now it feels fine like i don't it's funny i i so i squatted 400 pounds the other day didn't wear a knee sleeve you know i did 315 325 reps not wearing the knee sleeves and it feels all right it feels just fine but back when i before i tore my knee when i was wearing my knees like i couldn't go to the squat session without wearing them and i would feel like this is not fucking good yep and now i'm afraid that i know what it's going to happen though eventually there's going to come the day when i'm feeling

good enough my knees basically all the way recovered and i'm like fuck it let's put them on yeah and see what like see how much good it. There's not going to be any going back because I'm going to love them. Do you, do you honestly think like squatting, like, do you think a knee sleeve lets you squat more? Do you think it's purely just the comfort factor of it? I think it's just the comfort. I don't know. That's what I think too. Like I, I have a hard time thinking like, I don't think it makes you squat more. I don't think it makes you squat more i don't think it makes you strong like when i think of like my last strong like squat peak you know yeah like i did 540 at a meet yeah and i don't know if it wasn't the knee sleeve i don't know if you said no no sleeves allowed i don't think that really that would have had an impact on that squat um and

even like my heaviest sets going into that i don't think that would have changed it if it would have had an impact it would have been like a mental thing that carried over well something's different now you change you change the rules on me that's right i think that's what the impact would have been right but i don't think it actually really would have affected performance but that's where i'm at like i haven't been wearing sleeves and just like i don't even think of it as an option like when you said that i'm like oh yeah i do have a set of knee sleeves at the gym that I haven't put on in a very, very long time.

I haven't brought mine back. I took mine home with me when I, you know, I had them at my strongman competition and never brought them back to the gym and I have not brought them back because I, so I can't allow myself to put them on. Yeah, I think I put mine on once like three months ago, maybe it was several months ago

and it just, I haven't touched them again since then. But yeah yeah it's one of those things where i definitely know there there is that everyone knows there is that added level of comfort but outside of that once you're actually doing the work i don't know if it really changes anything right i don't i don't think it does if i think it's so tied into the mental side of it you know i don't know they should probably do some studies on that maybe there there's something that people, I think people believe with the warmth of the knee and the slight compression, you know, some people believe that does do something,

but it's gotta be pretty minimal. I mean, I think we're, we're dealing with, uh, let's see a 500 pounds. 1% would be five pounds. 1% might be generous.

Yeah. What are that? I'd say maybe around there is maybe right. Maybe a 1%. Yeah. I guess I'd'd i'd buy that maybe yeah maybe but at that point you're there's so many other factors that could go into a single rep that are affecting you know it's affecting that five pounds almost a countless number so i i've done i guess i've done 395 the next time i do a single and i'm feeling good i'm going to do 405 for the first time so that was my first thing for 2020 that I kind of want to do is squat four plates again for the first time and I would like um throughout the year here get to where I'm close to squatting 500 again but probably doing it without putting on knee sleeves and like that's kind of my thing for

the whole year is get to the point where i could you know probably squat about 500 again without getting super wild and crazy and you know just like all right yeah going to work here right this is just what we do and i think it's pretty reasonable and that's even without going super crazy in training or anything like that i think i can get there and my deadlift will just i if my squat if i'm getting stronger my squat my knees feeling better i'm not don't have to necessarily push my deadlift that hard that often it just goes along with it yes squatting is where i have to focus anyways and that's where i feel the same too it's like if i can build the squat i just know everything else is at the bare minimum getting a little bit stronger, maybe even a lot stronger. Yes, exactly.

And benching, since I've no reason to like push my bench excessively when I can only do this in the other lifts anyways. And it's even just tucking my knee has been a process to get my body to feel even on bench. So I've kind of been doing the same thing. So that's a 10, so that's a eight, that sort of thing. Just a different training sensation anyways. Like mentally it's uh which i think is good like how many years on end can right can and should someone just be doing like sets of three five

sets of five three sets of five right like four sets which i have done that stuff for well a very pretty long time it's like how long there's nothing wrong with it but what's wrong with actually changing it up and just doing different exercises doing different reps all that stuff so i've really liked doing you know doing you know sets of 10 sets of eight you know gave me my my squat i always hate my squat and it gave me a good opportunity to work on some of those things that i otherwise wouldn't have worked on as hard without uh when i had no another what no other option yep so that's kind of our training in a nutshell yeah we are just so we do still lift is probably the most important takeaway yeah that that's actually the only takeaway we do still lift

yes um maybe not the it's definitely not the most exciting numbers we've ever done but we're still going to the gym we should uh you know we keep our phones pretty close and stuff while we're recording we should have a sound effect for every time an order comes ah the cash register again right yeah but there's just an order that yeah there you go we're making money so that way there you go the cash register so the cash register will really be for everything we do but yeah we'll get that one going yeah we'll get that queued up for the next one so what are we going to talk about our lifting again in about six more months i think you know it's uh january 2020 june july we'll do our our semi-annual check-in wrong one but just an order just came in oh another one wow two within seconds

oh i do want to do a i my goal longer term is i do want to do a power lifting meet again someday probably no one you know it's gonna be a long time probably but it's probably a couple years out for me right now just with the way things are going but i do yeah i do want to do another one and if nothing pushes your numbers like no it's funny and it's fun and it is fun yes and i kind of want to shoot for a time when maybe there'll be other people doing it and stuff too you know i mean it's of course going to be other people doing it but i want to do it when other people from the gym and yes that is the other big one too is having people to do it with tanner i'm gonna leave you hanging again okay well that's all right we'll uh take this opportunity to read uh through some of our sponsors again for this episode this episode is brought to you by hybrid performance

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no doubt about success when everything is on the line check them out online at spud-inc-straps.com thank you to our sponsors i threw up a curveball we've read them a little earlier that's a little early let's just think it on the fly there. Yeah, I like that. I like that. What about underrated, overrated? Should we do a little? Before we go in, I have to tell you something. I had a work meeting today.

Oh. And in this meeting, the client used the word druthers. And I had to just try to keep my wits about me. They used the word druthers did they and do facetiously oh they were just talking if you had your druthers talking to someone talking to someone else in the room and i was like oh you don't know what you just did there man like druthers yeah amazing amazing which if you don't know druthers is a pretty key part of the rules

it's a foundational principle of underrated overhead is that you do have your druthers tommy has his druthers when he answers uh these questions so we are ready for overrated under i think we're ready now that you have your druthers back intact topic number one overrated or underrated? Magic. Magic, the gathering, the card game? Just magic. Magic in general. Well, given that it's not really magic, you want to say it's overrated.

Or is it? Or is it? Or is it? But also, I don't know. Okay, can you name three magicians, Tanner? Three magicians. Oh, David Copperfield. Is that a magician? That is one, yes.

Harry Houdini, is he a magician? Or an escape artist? I don't think he was a who did i don't think so i'm stretching yeah how about david blaine there you go david blaine so we have two davids can we name a third magician um were the guys with tigers magicians sigfried and roy i don't think they were pen and Teller magicians. Okay. There's a guy on Netflix that has a magic for humans. I saw that on.

I haven't watched it. I did see that pop up. My son, me and my son have watched that a little bit. I mean, there's the, there's the, there's the entertainment factor of it.

Carrot top. It's, I just named me people that have shows shows he's probably more of a comedian what about gallagher no he's definitely he's definitely not a magician yep yep you're getting comedian farther away yeah yeah getting colder yeah he made watermelons disappear he did make yeah he did have that ability i don't know i want to say it's kind of overrated because a lot of times it's... The good people are entertaining without a doubt. But the fact that we can only think of a few good people,

I think proves that there's a lot of really, really bad people, I think. Or just people that aren't noteworthy in any way. I think I'm going to say Magic is overrated overrated not the card game though not the card game for a separate a separate day that could be a whole different way yeah okay overrated or underrated ben stiller feeding off of last week's overrated underrated i think all right ben stiller what what is his most recent thing does he have anything recent nobody knows that dodgeball was that his last one probably um i think ben stiller is actually kind of underrated now especially when people i think

there's a lot of generation growing up that probably doesn't even really know who he is it's probably been 10 has it been 10 years since he's been like a good probably but but also comedies don't really exist anymore like comedy movies aren't really a thing like they i've seen this talked about several times that now comedies is like when marvel injects their 10 second humor into their a little 10 second bit into their action scene like that's what you get for comedy like when kevin hart's in a movie with the rock exactly yeah that's what you get for like there's not people aren't just putting out like Billy Madison as a movie will never exist in this age.

It's not a thing. Austin Powers isn't going to be around. You're Wayne's World. It's a damn shame. I know. You could almost use to count the people that would have characters on Saturday Night Live

would eventually go on and they'd make movies out of these characters or at least those people would be in movies. Why is that then though? I think it's just they're not profitable movies i don't i don't know but like comedies don't really exist anymore and that's like what i grew like jim carrey like anything with mike myers like all that like will ferrell will ferrell like all that stuff like it was so funny and it's just so rare to like get that stuff now.

So what was even the original question? Ben Stiller. Ben Stiller. Heavyweights. Heavyweights. Tropic Thunder. I mean, that's some grade A stuff right there. I'm not a big meet the Fockers guy.

That was never really high on my list. Dodgeball. Dodgeball was great. Ben Stiller and Dodgeball. Dodgeball. Yeah. Dodgeball was amazing. Dodgeball was awesome. I think Ben Stiller is underrated. What about the uh model zoolander yeah there you go zoolander

was a classic i i think ben stiller's underrated all right overrated or underrated extended warranties extended warranties are way overrated uh i don't know what what what is there anything in like good that's considered good advice that you should buy the extended warranty on not in my opinion not mine either i just didn't know if maybe i was missing something no that's i wondered if maybe you had a suggestion where it is like as far as anything goes i am not a believer in the extended warranty i just bought a television i bought a television for the first time in 12 years. I saw that actually. I was going to ask you about that.

We went from a 36-inch television to a 55-inch television. First one I bought in 12 years. Do you feel like you're in the modern world now? I feel like I'm in a movie theater in my house. And also, televisions, we've talked about it before, they are so cheap. cheap so cheap like even i knew that was true and when we went to this because we had one of ours that price actually can't be right is it we had a tv quit working uh but also kudos to the tvs i did buy because they were 12 and 15 years old and one of them's still good yeah if this one lasts that long i won't buy

another tv until 2032 yeah and that year is way too far away like i don't even know if that's a real number yeah i know but that's funny because that's how long like 2032 that seems like a crazy long time from now that's how far in the past that i bought my last television yeah it's hard to like wrap your head around actually why the hell would you buy an extended warranty i well and even this it's because what do they try to sell you the warranty it's usually like i don't know 50 bucks or something and three i don't i just i don't know if it's like you definitely i think it's considered like good practice to never buy the warranty on a vehicle, right? In my opinion, it is not a good idea.

No, I just, I don't know if I've ever bought a warranty on anything. I don't buy, I don't, I don't do that game. I live on the wild side over here. I'm without warranties. But that's when you, when you don't spend all the money on warranties, when maybe you don't spend as much on some insurances. Instead of spending that money, you save that money over enough years. And just with the law of averages, you are able to be self-insured or self-warrantied because of all the money you've saved. When something does eventually break or go bad, if there is a problem, all the money that you've saved over that period of time, you just buy it.

Say, perfect, I rolled all my money over into TVs. now i just need to get that out of there yeah uh i'm liquid it's just in tvs i just need to liquidate my tvs and then i'll have all my money back that i saved not buying warranties after we bought a tv main hour for talking on the way home like if like people robbing houses and stealing tvs would shouldn't even be, that wouldn't even be worth stealing. It's not a profitable business. Why would you even steal that 60-inch television? It'd be like, it's a used TV that's, you know, new, it costs $400.

New was $400, used it's maybe $200. Man, I just can't do this deal. Right. Overrated or underrated, last topic for this week tiger meat tiger meat all right this is a this is not everyone listening probably knows what this is a regional delicacy to south cat no uh tiger meat is actually raw hamburger it's raw hamburger that's been seasoned with a variety i think it's actually like ground sirloin yeah yeah it's a it's a finer cut than just hamburger yeah that's right but

yeah it's uh it's like a ground sirloin that is raw seasoned i think there's some usually some peppers and yeah like peppers and onions like you know diced into it and you buy it at the deli at the grocery store it's wrapped up like a like you would buy a pound of hamburger and the guy behind the deli counter wraps it up just like you're buying a pound of fresh hamburger it's cold not frozen puts it in the paper it's cold slaps it on the counter you take it you buy it you go home you get crackers and usually a saltine cracker saltine cracker and you eat the tiger meat with your saltine cracker and that is the delicacy and it is tiger good or bad what do you say i i think it's fine oh i love i love tiger meat i

could definitely eat a lot i mean you're not supposed to eat like a lot of it well it's also not something you should it's not like every night i go home and like ah it's usually at like occasions yeah yeah it's like there's an event going on and someone slaps down a pound of tiger meat and like yeah he's the guy that brought the tiger meat yeah just given the fact that i think most people don't even know what it i don't even know if that is actually a thing or if that's just to this area like that. We'll have to hear some listener. Yeah.

We'll have to hear if anyone else has ever eaten tiger meat or if that exists anywhere else. Cause like here, the other big one, this part of the country is chiseled. Yeah. And that is a thing, but chiseled is a fried steak cubes.

Right. And that exists. That exists. A lot of places have steak cubes, but no place calls them chislik. I don't know if there's really a whole lot of a difference besides, I guess chislik is fried.

Yeah, it is fried. Right, right. Steak cubes don't have to be fried, but yeah, tiger meat's underrated. Underrated. More people should be about that. I do like some good tiger meat yeah it's good stuff it is good but like i said it's it's good for a few times you know it's it's a treat yes it's not something you make like oh you're gonna get my two pounds of tiger meat for the week it's supper time don't don't do that

that's not how that's some people do get hung up on the eating the raw meat yeah raw cooked whatever who cares yeah so that wraps up overrated underrated bringing us to the close of episode 198 we already talked about all of our sponsors for the episode we actually did a good job about talking about our products and our sale that we have we did now so yeah get on that if you're listening you want to save some stay warm stay warm is the code hoodies we struggled coming up talking about our products and our sale that we have. We did. So yeah, get on that. If you're listening, you want to save some money, stay warm as the code hoodies. We struggled coming up with the code name.

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