Massenomics Podcast - Ep.199: Arnold Santa Monica Strongman Recap

Episode Date: January 27, 2020

The Arnold Santa Monica was the last chance for both Brian Shaw and Martins to make it to the big show in Columbus in March, but there was only room for one of them! Hybrid Performance Method: https://hybridperformancemethod.com/ and use code MASS to save 5% on all programs Lifting Large: https://www.liftinglarge.com/ and use code MASS20 to save on Lifting Large branded products Spud Inc.: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/

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It makes me remember all of those interviews, too, and think about that a little bit. Gets you in the zone. It was good times. And we are at episode 199 of the massonomics podcast the lifting podcast about nothing we are going to hear a little bit from our sponsors here how's that sound tommy sounds really good uh actually so good that i want to uh i don't know maybe like give them up this way this way nope nope nope okay there we go yeah today's show is brought to you by lifting Let's wait. Nope. Give me that. Nope. Mess. Nope.

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You obviously loaded up the board with some new signs. I did load them, and because I totally forgot what I put in, I kind of ruined half the surprise by pushing most of them already. But I do like the fact that we have this on Rapid Fire. Masonomics. You know? Yeah. Masonomicsics it's always ready to go yep so that's a gino that's a great one to have on hand we were talking about oh wait i guess i can't talk i don't can't spoil any surprises until yeah yeah slow it up there tanner don't want to let the cow cat out of the bag too early but we've we already alluded in our in 198 that we have cool stuff coming in 200, so I probably won't spend 15 minutes talking about it again.

Maybe just 10 minutes instead this time. Just one episode out now from the 200. It seems weird even to say 199. It's going to be really shocking when people find out we're just not doing an episode 200. That's the surprise. That's the big shocker we're done that was it we only had 199 in us that was all i'm excited for season three though

yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be a lot of fun that's true i see you're wearing your new slippers papa bear wow you know yeah start get to the point we're going to be a dad and all of a sudden you get to wear dad clothes there's a lot of fun things that come along with being a dad yeah i've already noticed that the uh the the clothes getting sent my way it's like oh okay this was totally not appropriate not that long ago but i guess when you're a dad you can do this stuff now yeah you get and just think of the dad jokes i know i just uh i'm evolving into my true self i think yeah the dad jokes never get old not if you, I'm evolving into my true self, I think. Yeah, the dad jokes never get old. Not if you're a dad.

Nope. It's like your duty to hold that side of it up, right? I do a good job of it. You got to keep the tradition going. Yep. You have to almost become a living middle-class fancy character, don't you? That's kind of my goal. Like, that's what I live my life on a lot,

is trying to model it around what middle-class fancy guys are like. It's a pretty respectful life goal. Things do come up in my life though and i'll think huh that's all that's a lot like a middle-class fancy meme i feel like especially in this part of the country too yes yes where that stuff just never ever phased out and nothing new came in right uh have you been uh what show recommendation did you give last time oh you did the i did the uh don't fuck with cats was my recommendation okay did you watch it no i don't think i i was thinking of something else maybe but i don't think i can bring myself to watch that i just don't like the i don't think i'll probably ever honestly i won't ever be able to watch that because i just don't

even like the thought of that i totally get it i can't can't get myself to that the other one that was on netflix uh have you i don that was on Netflix. Uh, have you, I don't think you've watched it, but have you seen that there's this Aaron Hernandez? Uh, I did see it. I actually do want to watch that one. I start,

I watched the first episode of it so far and then I like it. I mean, I'm also a sports fan and, uh, you know, I remember all that happening. So it adds something to watching it. I think.

Yeah. I, I saw it pop up. Even my wife was like, Ooh, that looks pretty good so there's a lot between the sports and the fame and yep whatever else was going on i don't really know the full story so that's kind of what pulled me in a little bit my uh favorite garbage we like

in our family we have good television like that and things like that but then we also sometimes we just like we call them garbage shows. Yeah. Things where you don't, where you want something on, but maybe you're just going to look at your phone or, you know, cause you can't have the office on.

Right. 30 hours. Right. Every two days. Like you got to break it up a little bit. That's a third category in our house. I guess we have good, uh,

garbage and then the office. Good garbage. And then like the office Seinfeld is other things that we just have playing in the background but the my kind of our favorite garbage one right now is slobby's world oh yeah i have seen you have uh have snaps of that in the background which have you seen it at all i've seen probably the first five or six episodes and it is funny um a lot of what slobby uh has in his shop and stuff has most of it has been um overrated underrated topics oh really like i mean it's like because it's like tommy hillfiger well and a lot of it is just like stuff from our childhood right it is because

it's in his specialty like 90s memorabilia yes yes and for anyone that doesn't know what we're talking about this show on netflix, Slobby's World, it's a guy that owns, would you call it like a vintage or a retro shop? A vintage. I think it's in Tucson, Arizona. Tucson, Arizona, yeah. And he specializes in like 90s vintage. A lot of sneakers, so a lot of like Jordan sneakers. Yeah, stuff like that.

But even just the whole NBA, like anything NBA, anything sports. Champion jerseys is a really big thing. Starter stuff. Yes, starter stuff. He has a lot of bootleg designer stuff. Yeah, that starter stuff yes he has a lot of a lot of bootleg yeah that's what I was gonna say a lot of stuff because like Louis Vuitton uh MCM yep Tommy uh Ralph Lauren I did not watching that I did not understand that was the first time I actually so there's the difference in bootleg and yeah the difference between bootleg real and counterfeit uh-huh so you know real is the real deal counterfeit is something that's fake that is trying to replicate the real as close as possible bootleg and then bootleg i never actually understood this i just

thought people use bootleg and counterfeit interchangeably i think most people do but his definition of what bootleg was and this is probably true is that bootleg is it's taking the design aesthetic and then making something new right so coming out with a pattern or a designer shirt or something that that company it looks like it belongs to them but they never came out with anything that using it in a way that they never did maybe taking a design they had on something else and putting on a completely different product okay let's make this relatable for our lift for our listeners so when someone takes the lift shorts and puts a patch on the side that

says lift that's a counterfeit right but if someone comes out with a new design that has the lift logo in a different way that's a bootleg yeah and i think dapper dan is like a big bootlegger oh i think maybe yeah i picked that up from the show but yeah but bootlegging so counterfeit is i wouldn't say there's a resale market for that like that's i'm kind of like ahgging so counterfeit is i wouldn't say there's a uh resale market for that like that's i'm kind of like ah that's counterfeit bootlegging there's like a whole separate market because people are buying the bootleg gucci shirts there for 90 right right right or the other big thing is like classic uh rock and rap tees people are these are by classic i mean old used t but t t-shirts from the 1990s they're just vintage 90s band yeah that can be like very crack screen printing that people are

spending 250 a pop on yep and like he knows like oh that's a black and yellow wu-tang shirt they only made that from 97 it went with that album and it's worth 240 and like i would have to think most of these people in there are like all right i guess you said so like you know i mean i i know it's that's the crazy thing about it's kind of like the the uh pond stars for younger people i feel like that's not dealing with old elvis memorabilia and weird samurai swords that may or may not be real it's just so hard like on those t-shirts especially there has to be so many t-shirts because like these band tees like people were selling them they're parking lot tees and that sort of thing like they sell them out of their car and stuff i don't understand who's setting the price like

you could say whatever the hell you want to and it's it's just a matter of finding someone to buy it at that point but it's so weird to me like what separates that the 40 used t-shirt the 100 used t-shirt and the 250 used t-shirt and like with all this it's just hype so yeah it's just it's just what there's what what is there for hype around it's how we get to charge so much for the lift exactly it's purely hype but like some of that if people start coming into the shop and I think if, oh, all right, people are buying the shirt at 70 bucks all the time, he's gonna start selling at 90. And if he's saying, oh yeah, someone's paying 90 bucks for that, then I guess, all right, you just told me that's what the price is.

So I guess that's what I pay. Right. And people are obviously going for it. Yeah. But it was a little surprising to see how how people will for something that doesn't really seem that old 90s 90s is not that old i like it though that's why i like the show though because all this or it's like they have like uh garbage pale kids cards and you know all the sports is heavy into the sports memorabilia stuff like original nintendo stuff yes or just like early

early video game stuff a lot of that yep that. So that's kind of a good garbage. Yeah. And it's like 20 minute episodes too, right? Yeah. So you can fly through and you got to get over. He, at first I,

he, his character may be kind of, I'm not saying character. He's not playing a character, but his persona kind of rubbed me the wrong way. But after I've watched enough of him, like, ah,

I think he's pretty off. He is annoying in that way, but he's also pretty authentically like that like he's not like he is yeah he's not putting on a thing to act like this or if it's an act it's just he's really really really good at the act so at this point you get the pass because you're that good at it right yes and that's kind of how I feel about him at first I was like quit acting like that you're not really like that but after a while I'm like oh you're really like that so that's probably okay yeah but that's a good garbage television show recommendation i don't i never had heard about it until just recently i i i saw it on there when it first came out it was probably

like over a year ago and i until you started watching that i didn't even know it was like i'm there still yeah and it's funny like a brand like tommy hill figure who we've talked about before we've had it on over under the the crap that they were putting their low they were putting that logo on anything and selling it it was like snowboards and like they had like a basketball that had like a leather zipper basketball case and it's all plastered with the tommy logo so it's like why yeah if you can why not right that's the position i want to be in yeah that's selling leather bags with the massonomics logo on them to hold basketballs right our audience is clearly not basketball players but but you would have to just to do it at that time like the top like they were just putting it on everything and people would buy it gotta ride that wave yeah yeah

gotta ride that wave so that was my uh your media that's all i really had there i did actually start a show uh hbo has a new one called has it the outsider i think it's the outsider is what it's called it's based on a steven king book it's only two episodes so far pretty good kind of creepy a little weird but uh that steven king it's got that steven king vibe all over it yeah i did uh speaking of television shows i watched a strongman oh yeah television show on my tv oh we got some refreshments here i don't have a i don't have a guess again these are the same ones from last week my literally the same can my lacroix consumption with water has been down a

little bit, so we just got to deal with it. But in the meantime, we can get all hyped on these things. I'm hyped on the pompadours. You know, when that LaCroix hits it. Oh, yeah. That's that action. Yep, that's good.

So I was watching Strongman on my television. It was the Arnoldnold santa monica the last qualifier for the big arnold here coming out coming up in march and i did pop it up on the television my first thing is rogue is doing a good job on these live streams did you have any issues with it because i saw on their instagram post lots of people complaining about the live stream yeah no i thought i and they even said we're working on it right now we're getting oh i saw that so i because I saw on their Instagram post lots of people complaining about the live stream. Yeah. No. And they even said, we're working on it right now. We're getting it fixed.

I saw that. So I didn't know if you were going to say you had major issues. No, no. And I guess I didn't watch the entire thing from start to finish, but I watched at least like 75% of it. I was kind of doing other stuff throughout the day and had it on. So maybe it was having problems while I, you you know in those time frames when I wasn't watching it but no I was gonna say it was great they have these two announcers one of the guys is um that guy I don't maybe he did it last year too but announcing I don't think he was one of

the announcers this last year at the Arnold Strongman I think he did it two years ago we when we ate at that taco joint he was in line in front of us one time. He did Highland Games, and he's kind of dry almost a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I think this last year was like, wasn't it like the American Ninja Warrior guy with us last year? Yeah. I think so, but he was this guy.

You know who I'm talking about then? I think so, yeah. Because he looks like he's a bigger guy, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a bigger guy. He probably like 50 in his 50s or so i can't remember his name but anyways they have two guys out there as announcers sitting at a a table away from the action you know it doesn't look like they're sitting right in front of the the strongman show they're like over in front of a ferris wheel that's in the background uh-huh and they're doing like this espn thing you know with their headsets on is

what it reminds you of something that would would be on espn and i thought that was really really good and then they would cut to and they kept the pace moving and they knew what they were talking about yeah and but there would be so they would talk for a while and then then there would be like dead air for like 10-15 minutes where it's just like just a background shot of like the the stage and things going on and people getting stuff set up so it wasn't like a constant show there was would be like 15 20 minutes where there's nothing to watch between events yeah between events but i mean it's a live stream right yeah and just the nature of the sport there has to be that so that yeah i could i could live

with that compromise no i i i was impressed with that that live stream is great if rogue keeps doing that if every like big um powerlifting strongman event that existed that i had some interest in watching if they all had that that would be like that would uh be a game changer you know if every the five biggest powerlifting meets in the world all had something as good as that that that would be very good that would set the tone for people actually being interested in watching that yeah and a level of entertainment value right right um so that was kind of my first thoughts is actually like the production of the whole thing. It looked good.

And the setup of the actual competition all seemed pretty good and pretty professional. And Arnold's there. And Arnold is. Brings that aura. Right. He does. And there's a couple celebrities there. I don't remember who.

But there's a few there. Most important thing, though, in the back. From the direction the cameras were watching the competitors almost the entire day there was a guy just like right on screen wearing a big guy wearing the yeah buddy yeah and it really stuck out yes it did you realize at that point how many people have black or white shirts on and how bad that blue shirt just stands out this is how exactly how it went for me. The, when I first noticed that I'd been watching for about watching this thing, it was like the first event was the log press.

I've been watching for about five or 10 minutes and I was just kind of watching the action. And all of a sudden I had a thought, I was like, I wonder if anyone there is wearing a massonomic shirt. And you have to assume with an event like this, there's at least one massonomic shirt that's floating out there somewhere and i had that thought and i was like i'm going to start looking on the tv and see if i can see

anyone in the crowd that's wearing a mass start doing the where's waldo yeah yeah and i literally had that thought looked and saw the massonomic shirt and i was like oh my god there's someone right there wearing it. And I had probably been looking at it and just not really paying attention. But it was just so, when I did that, I had the thought that I'm going to consciously scan for it. Looked right away and saw the Mastodonics shirt. And I was like, oh, my God. Yeah, that's really cool.

It was cool. Just because, I mean, we're everywhere at this point. Yeah. And I shared that. And that guy, you know, I obviously didn't know remember who it was I don't think but it was the guy I think that what had a snapchat story with Rob Gronkowski was it him okay that's yeah I thought it kind of looked like him but then I was thinking well but that's also just me thinking of the only other notable person I saw it was him his name on Instagram is like huge Russian or something like that yep

but that was him and I was like wow I huge russian or something like that yep but that was him and i was like wow i told him thank you for sitting front row in that shirt the entire day yeah that's super cool that's funny now that he hasn't worn that shirt to meet rob gronkowski in his snap and then now in front of where the hell does he live because i guess i guess yeah gronk could live in la or something maybe he does i just assumed he was on the east coast for whatever reason i probably shouldn't have assumed that but that's kind of what i thought the case was though too yeah that'd be pretty cool if he was on the east coast and flew out just yeah right just to get on we'll never know just so we could see him in his

everybody shirt yeah they have to see me that's the only shirt that guy has. You know, that's what I like to think of. Rob Gronkowski gave him all of his Patriots clothing. He's like, nah, I'm good with the Masonomics shirt. I'm good with the plain ones. The competition itself, the cliff notes of that was this was the last qualifier to make the big Arnold. And neither Brian or Martinsz had qualified and that's something that we talked about going back back to the arnold spain wasn't it yeah because that was the last

qualifier before this one and that was in like october probably so it's but yeah it's been quite a while because big brad competed in that one and that's been a while yeah three three four months yeah so yeah we've kind of i kind of actually didn't forget about this part of it that there's going to be one more guy that gets in we don't know who it is right and this was yeah this was the answer day right and so the big thing going into it and kind of why i was curious to watch it a i just realized on a saturday that it was on and i thought ah i actually have some time right now so i'll pop it on but then i was like i really want to see if Martins or Brian is going to win. And that's kind of in my,

my head. That was my thought, which one of them is going to win. And they didn't, neither of them had to necessarily win the competition to get the invite. So I shouldn't say when I should say who's going to get the invite because JF Caron, Alexei Novikov,

and one of the other guys competing had already qualified. They had already won other qualifiers. Oh, yeah. So they didn't have to. Those guys could finish ahead of them, ahead of Brian or Martins, and they would still get the win. Yeah, but those two had to beat each other.

Yes, yes, exactly. In order to have a chance, one would have to beat the other. But so what actually happened i was watching the first event was a 385 log press brian got three he did the thing you you did the log press the year for our strongman show where we're outside yep and for nobody anyone that's never done this before if you go lift outside and do a log press, when you look into the clear blue sky, it is way different. Disorienting.

It's nothing like looking up at a ceiling because no matter what, there's no ceiling. That's an endless abyss of nothingness. There's focal points in the ceiling. And you know, we practiced the log a lot in the gym and it was, I was feeling pretty comfortable, especially, I mean, getting to my spot my spot it was that was never a question and the first time i flipped that log up and looked up it was just like i was i had no reference point oh yeah yeah it was almost like i was spun around i didn't know you like lost where you were at you know and then after that you just realized like all right once i get to that point there's there's nothing to reference you just go with it yeah but it's a very weird feeling when you're not used to that and martinez actually i heard him talk about it he said what he does

when because usually in those scenarios they're warming up in a different spot where they're usually under a tent or something so they they're not experiencing that until they get out there to do it for the competition so that he will often close his eyes while he's warming up yeah that makes sense so he has to battle that same thing so that way when he or a similar effect so that way when he goes out there it's not the first time experiencing it for the day but anyways brian the first time he cleaned it he took like five wobble steps forward and back and you could tell he that it was just because eventually when he pressed it he had a good press but then even like the second one he went as soon as he cleaned it he was like you know kind of like a drunk uh drunk it's a weird sensation it's not a good it's a bad sensation like i don't i remember distinctly

not like especially if you're already fatigued from other events, tired, like that's a... And to have something like jammed up by your face to the point where you have to tilt your head back to even, you can't look ahead. You can't have a, I guess if the log's small enough and you're big enough, maybe, but on any log of respectable size, it covers your vision.

So the only place you can look is straight up. And in this situation, it can be a little little hairy yes so brian got three i think martinez ended up getting three also maybe missed his fourth and i think the favorite of that would have been uh world's strongest gay um uh it's not raw yeah i think it think it is. Yeah. Yeah. Never remember his name. Every time we do this. He would have been the favorite to win that because he's an excellent overhead presser, and he didn't win. The guy that actually won was Maxine Boudreaux.

I think I'm saying that name right. He's a Canadian. He won the event. He did, I think, five or six reps. So now all of a sudden. Well, and this Maxine Boudreaux didn't know who it was i was like oh i guess he's just he's a good overhead presser you know so he's you know you know do well did well on that at least then it comes to the second event which was

i knew i should have looked i want to say it was the Farmers Carry. Yes, Farmers Carry, second event. Martins beat Shaw by a little bit. But this Maxine Boudreaux won the event. Oh, he did? So he won the first and the second event both. And all of a sudden I'm like, wait a second. If this guy wins, neither Shaw or Martins are going to make it.

We have this dark horse entry. And then all of a sudden I'm like, huh, that's really interesting. And I kind of find myself almost cheering for this guy a little bit. Yeah, we've got the underdog situation going on here. So the third event is the Rogue Sandbag over bar. You know, the thing they do at the arnold and columbus is a different setup different event but basically a sandbag over the bar a good event for brian not that good of a an event for martinez so brian does goes out there and does

does well martinez doesn't do quite as well so it looks like brian's probably going to win it but they interview this uh maxine boudreaux and he's like oh this is my favorite event really this is your favorite event sweep like you just won the other two and he goes up he wins the event he did yeah really so he wins the first three events out of five correct yes out of five uh total events so this guy has so and brian and he's also competing with like jf caron yeah and uh jerry pritchett jf caron uh uh ronald heinla so have you seen this guy ever ever compete i've maybe heard the name before but honestly like one time he's canadian and all right so he seems to be an up-and-coming yeah yeah yes i would say for sure brian after three brian's little head of martinez uh but this boudreaux is obviously in first he's won all three events of the fourth event though is the deadlift and that's where it's like ah this guy

does have a weakness this is dead he finished quite a bit farther down the pack i think it was a 775 deadlift shaw got eight did he really yeah so and that's where i was like shaw's yeah and shaw did well on all the events up to this point too and actually was he finishing like in top three yes yeah yeah he was he was doing well the farmers carry he did did pretty well he didn't he was. He had to have been in the top three or four of that. The sandbag, I think he got second. The log, he did well towards the higher half end. The deadlift, he did well.

I think Martins tied him. I think they both got eight. So I think that they were up there and Jerry Pritchett, whatever. But this Boudreaux lost some points. Fifth and final event we're going into the this Maxine Boudreaux is ahead by four and a half points over Shaw and Shaw is ahead of Martins by one point so Boudreaux is in first then it's Shaw who's about four points back and then it's Martins who's five points back so he basically like had to get in first to martinez had well martinez had to beat shaw and he had to beat boudreaux by like six places

okay okay yeah so it wasn't just yeah he you couldn't just have to win you had to hope the other guy did yes he had to beat shaw and he had to finish five places ahead of Maxine Boudreaux. Otherwise, Maxine Boudreaux could have got fifth and still won, and those two could have got first and second. But he had to beat Shaw, too, because Shaw was ahead by a point. So going into this last event, I was like, ah, this is like the most exciting strongman thing. Yeah, there's something on the line here.

Yeah, like there's a lot on the line. And I was kind of rooting for that for maxine boudreaux and going into it i was kind of i don't necessarily have a favorite over brian or martinez but i found myself really wanting brian to win and i'm not really sure why but it's just like i just want to see him at the yeah well at this point too he pretty much is an underdog and yeah and you it's not a stretch to say that his time is limited right right so it's like oh gosh if he doesn't go to the arnold this year then you know what it's not a real street thing he might not make it again exactly

that's not a crazy thing to say yes um so brian i can't remember the order then. Martins goes like second to last. What event was this then? So the last event was the sandbag load medley. It was like a sandbag carry and load over a yoke. So it was a 300-pound sandbag, a 350-pound sandbag, and then a 400-pound sandbag.

So a lot of the guys were not loading that last one. Some of the guys basically couldn't hardly pick it up. When I first saw that, I thought 300 doesn't seem super heavy for strong men like i mean i picked up and carried a 300 yeah yeah like multiple people in the gym yeah right and that's why i thought yeah that doesn't i get it's at the end of the day but that doesn't seem that much to me but a 400 pound sandbag is a big sandbag and also that being your last third one and there and it was a good uh end of the day and like it was a decent i don't know usually not you're usually not ending the day strongman with a medley right right right yeah that's a good point a lot of times that's the first event so what yeah one of the first two almost always um so out of that group martinez was the first to go

kind of one of the last to go in the cop in the event but before those two guys because they were in first and second so brian and maxine were going to get to go last but martin goes and kind of blazes it and has the best time so he's in first with just like the these sean and the canadian guy to go and sean the canadian guy are the canadian are out in front on the first one because he's a little bit faster. Shaw's a little bit slow just in general. By the time they do the second one, they're about even because it starts to get a little harder for Maxine, and Shaw doesn't really get harder for Shaw.

They come to the last bag, and then Boudreaux is struggling to get it picked up and even moved, and Shaw's a little slower. You can tell he's slower than Martins in general, but he still gets to the bar pretty quick. But then once he gets there, he's dog-ass tired, and he can't quite. Did he have the loading problem? Yeah, he can't quite.

He got it pinned against the bar, and what he had to do was grab the crossbar with his two hands and push it over with his gut. But that little thing he had to do took an extra three or four seconds, and he was very tired. And then as he's doing this, the Canadian gets it about up to the bar and then drops it, and he can't pick it back up, and he doesn't get the last one over. And there was J.F. Caron had already gotten one over and there was jf caron had already gotten

it over like there was a couple guys that had already gotten it over and there was a couple guys that got to about the exact same spot that he was at so you could tell that martinez had a faster time than shaw but you weren't really sure if anyone else was in between martinez and shaw like jf caron went about this like yeah you didn't you can't keep track and they didn't have all these times posted or they didn't have any of them posted but you you knew that like jf crone maybe he was faster than shaw they seemed like they're about in the same same area there and then you didn't know how many people were in between shaw and because do they just go to the time you had in the last load or how did what is the tiebreaker on see I don't

I don't know for sure they the people the announcers were talking like it was distance of that last bag but I don't think they knew that that's just what I could tell by the way they were talking last bag if everyone's getting it to the end right that's in which a

lot of people were right and that's not a time are they marking it you know yours was two inches closer to the last bag, if everyone's getting it to the end. Right. And which a lot of people were right. And that's not a tiebreaker. So are they marking it, you know, yours was two inches closer to the bar than the other guys'. In that case, I'd be like, ah, kick it underneath the bar. Also, that's a terrible tiebreaker. Yeah, exactly. So I think it was maybe time of the last load. That's, to me, what it probably should be, you know,

time of your last successful load. But I honestly don't even know now how they scored that so they're kind of standing everyone's standing around like Shaw and Martins and this Boudreaux they're all standing around none of them knowing who's who had won so that was it was a really cool couple minutes there where it was actually suspenseful of finding out who the winner of it was all completely over and nobody knew who the winner was and you could see uh jan todd go goes up to shaw and she's talking over like placings and numbers or something you know and like shaw's doesn't look happy yeah you know i could see that i was like ah i'm guessing

he didn't win he's not he's excited about it yeah and they announced that Martins had won. So, like, just one enough person slipped in there that it ended up being separated by just, you know, a couple points for all three of those top three. So, it was a really good competition. But Martins is going to be at the Arnold with us this year. Cool. So, do we know the full Arnold lineup then? I think it is set then, yes. No, I don't know all of it. But I know Jerry got in, got into because they took the the two

best points leaders that didn't win you know the the two people that did the series that didn't get an automatic qualifier but scored the most points throughout the series those two would have been uh jerry pritchett and not ronald heinle but the other shorter guys like balzac yes yes those two i think yes so i don't think i'm not do the full no he did i think this was like only the second one he did yeah that's what i thought so he wasn't like the south africa one or jerry in that uh yeah they were just pretty much locks to got to get the the two yeah because those guys kind of get doing the world's strongest man thing, so they usually miss out on, like, one or two of these, don't they? Right.

That's how it's kind of gone, right? Yeah, I think so, yeah. Or people might get in the Giants live and that sort of thing. Yes, that, yeah. Wow, well. But after seeing it, though, I was like, man, I really wish that they would invite all three of those guys, though. Yeah. Well, especially if it's, three of those guys, though. Yeah.

Well, especially if it's that good of a competition. Right. It's fun to watch, but you could make the argument, well, if that's what they're doing to scrape in, then there's already better people there. But also, Strongman is so event-based that you never know. And also, though, it is cool because there's so much parody in it. Because Martins is the reigning world's strongest man and he did have to scrape in on the last qualifier by a point against two

other guys and then one guy really in like the world of the top two people being an unknown yes that even definitely unknown i mean he's known if you really follow strongman closely but if you're just know the top five people you would have never heard of him ever for sure you would not know that name oh but that that was my takeaway that there's a lot of parody in the in that sport right now like going into this i'm like well geez martinez did just scrape in but he could still win the columbus arnold it wouldn't be surprising he definitely could that is the that is the crazy part. Yeah. It just,

it, it just depends on the events. Who's feeling good on that day. It's yeah. That is the thing about strong man is it can always really be up in the air. Yep. It's kind of what makes it exciting. That's true.

You know, that's true. And also the fact that, you know, they can have some sport to it. So that's, that's why there's some differences there of, of why strong man is,

even though I, I also very much like power lifting. Oh yeah. There's just something more exciting about the idea of watching strong man. And that's, that's part of it. Yeah. A hundred percent.

Yeah. I mean, there's other factors at play, but that's certainly part of it. Yep. You are correct. Now we're going to read some ads. All right.

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the name of it was no i know something not like not about brian shaw just like some name he came up with that sounded good i guess uh yep i going to tell you what that is right now. It's not stoic, but it's just like... It is... Right here. Evolution Athletics Gear. Give me a hell yeah! That's probably what he's thinking.

I know what he's thinking. That is actually exactly what he's thinking no he's thinking i know what he's thinking that is actually exactly what he's thinking yeah um yeah it's so he has sleeves wraps uh elbow sleeves knee sleeves wrist wraps uh like a reband short even and the the the knee sleeves and elbow sleeves look exactly the same as the slingshot like 1.0 like exactly this it's probably the same knees right probably just got it from the same factory in china just put a different logo so he's obviously not sponsored by mark bell anymore it doesn't seem like it i bet that's probably i bet there there's probably no hurt feelings over that he probably said yeah dude i'm starting my own own thing now and he's like okay that's cool i'm obviously not gonna pay you to wear my stuff anymore but yeah that's i think it's interesting there he a lot of his stuff and shirts are like shaw strength and things are

shaw strength i think he purposely branded that as something that's not shaw strength because more interested uh i'd say Shaw strength because more interested, uh, I'd say he's probably more interested in the long haul, maybe more mass appeal. I think so too. At some point, I don't think people want to wear something.

That's just a guy, right? They want something that's more of a brand. If you're not Michael Jordan, that right. Eventually it doesn't work anymore. Yeah. Outside of him,

that almost doesn't work for anything. Right. Exactly. So wouldn't you think that's the logic behind that oh that's 100% what i assumed um you know evolution athletics i would say it's not the coolest or most exciting name but but it's just like a name of that stuff that you would totally expect it totally fits in it totally fits in the market yeah i will give him that it belongs in the market without a doubt yes uh there's a lot of garbage in the market but it does fit in the market i'm not saying it's garbage

but it does fit in the market right absolutely he's certainly thinking about his exit strategies though i think i think so too which is smart of him yes you got to do that can't uh can't keep pounding away on that body forever because no uh it's only so many miles on that thing i mean i recapped the whole thing but just generally speaking after watching that i was like i am not counting him out just yet because he was just like a a little slip here or like a little thing there a lockout here away from winning that and the competition there is basically on the same par as what he will be at the you know it's it's still the best competition that he's facing there you know thor isn't there and he can replace a couple other people with a couple other people but he's

he's right there still yeah oh and that's i mean he still is one of the best strength athletes alive there's no doubt about that. I do think the events were probably pretty good for him there, so that plays a part of it. But I just wouldn't count him out completely yet. I still am like, I am not convinced that they are not going to allow him to compete at the Arnold in Columbus. I don't know. I'm not buying that they're going to do that to them.

I wouldn't be shocked if there wasn't some, oh, we had a special guest invite this year or one person mysteriously couldn't make it. Yeah, because someone's not going to be able to attend. And then I think they're probably supposed to go to the next person on the points list, which I think is Ronald Heinle, if I saw that right. But what do you think? So I what i saw like kale beck of starting

strongman his point is like this is what makes the arnold good because they have set rules of qualifying and it's not just hey like you have a name so you get to do it show it up yeah we're not really sure how they got here but right no but that's what makes this credible and real We're not really sure how they got here. Right. But that's what makes this credible and real. It's what makes it real. Like in the NFL, just because the Ravens were cool this year and good,

they don't just get to be in the Super Bowl. Yeah, they don't get to be there. But I don't care about that. I want Brian Shaw to be in the competition. I have a hard time with that argument a little bit, especially when the sport is so not really under a governing body. Right. And it's still just individual. Like it's not teams.

And then ultimately, yes, it's individual. And that is the thing too, where it's, it's not really under a real governing body. It's under whatever rules are getting set by whoever is actually running the road. We don't't even i don't think

anyone really even knows there's maybe five people that could answer that question of who actually sets the rules for how you qualify right so i mean the rules are out there but then even like getting to be invited to them in the first place if you're not one of like 15 people i don't even really know how you actually get the invite either yeah that's kind of all cloudy yeah it's it's there's a group of 20 guys that know the those answers yeah there's a group of 20 guys and those are they get like the 20 guys oh yes they get the that option yeah yeah and then okay so i guess we weed out the 10 underperformers yeah yeah in this case it kind of sucks because it sounds like maybe there was a couple pretty decent performers but i i guess whatever yeah but like when it comes to brian shaw four times the world's strongest man like arguably one of the best ever and arguably still one of the

most famous he's still one of the top three, either two or three famous. Well, Eddie Hall, if you consider him still. But he's in the top. Just based on the fact that English speakers can say his name correctly. Right, yes, yes. I just want him to be there just for the – maybe he is on the up, like he has been suffering some injuries and he was kind of getting it rolling here,

and maybe he would be in good form for this event and be – like it's not unrealistic that he could be – if he got to go that he could be in contention for winning still in that group. Yeah. So like that being a fact, it's kind of a shame to me if he doesn't get to do it. I agree. I agree. Yeah.

But it's tough because yeah it does look like well it's already kind of not like a real sport in the way that and then when it's just like all right so and so didn't make the championship but we're gonna invite them anyways like well there but also is the point yeah it's not a real sport it's not fucking gonna be a real sport so let's just do like like like who are we uh like holding up these this authentic rules too like when yeah you know like you do got a point but i do get it where it's like well it's a slippery slope of eventually it's like nah then you go back to there is no qualifications we're just picking the 10 people that we like the name of yeah and then i'm just glad i'm not involved

in that at all if they invited him i would have no problem with it and i'd say sure fine that's that's probably a win for everyone yeah i think he i think he and thor are an exception to the rule there's like they get to come no matter what i think the only people it's a loss for is the other competitors that don't want to lose to him yeah that's right it's a win for the spectators oh yeah another exciting person to watch right well and it's a loss if someone else doesn't get get to go that rightfully yeah and if they kick someone out because of it but in this case we're talking about an addition not a subtraction and right yeah that's what i would say is adding on one more person that you would

have would have otherwise not had i don't know yeah there's a lot of ways to look at that but yeah yeah i get this i get it all but i just would like to see him there it's just like my thing is we are people that are there and it is more exciting when brian shaw and half thor are walking around and it's like and people are like talking about it like holy shit did you see Did you see what Thor did yesterday? You know, like it's just like, Oh, it's a buzz in the air. It's way more exciting for them.

It's probably good for business for, for not only for rogue and everyone, all the sponsors involved, but it's good for business for those guys. Personal brands. Oh yeah. Like Brian Shaw doesn't want to, I mean,

it's pretty safe to say this is going to cost him money. Yeah. He was going to, he probably still can chip that stone record that he does every year but he that's the thing that's what you can anyone can get invited so he'll if he doesn't get to compete he'll i would be surprised if he's not there to break so do some record breaker thing yeah yeah you're probably right unless he like doesn't want and unless it's like embarrassing to him to be like...

Yeah, I didn't make the cut, so I'm just here lifting the stone. What did they pay, like five grand? Yeah, five, ten. I mean, fuck. When it's something that he already knows he can do. Pretty tough thing to beat when you just got that thing online.

And he's going to be there. I would think Brian is going to go to... I might have to check the list. There might be going to go to. I've checked the list. There might be an Evolution Athletics. That's what I wondered. I mean, why wouldn't there be? I mean, if there's not this year, there will be next year. Like if you're a business person, you would make that a plan.

In this space, like that's the trade show that you would go to. Absolutely. We go to it. I mean, we go to it. Come on. But more Shaw should. you would go to absolutely we go to it we i mean we go to it come on but more shawshank yeah enough said yeah wow there was a couple other uh big things in the world of strength uh more on the power lifting side of it last week we were going to talk about it and kind of didn't have time but julius maddox continues to just do ridiculous shit whatever he wants on the bench yes he did this time it was 755 pounds for a

gym pr because why not and it really just didn't look hard it looked way too easy way too yes so i don't know what his gym pr what or i don't know but it's at least five pounds more than he's ever benched before and it's did not look hard no i don't know i i just i can't think of anyone i know that's ever set a pr in the gym benching that looked that easy no there was no no yeah that's true and this is the guy that's better at benching than anyone in the world ever has been before yeah and like his a pr for him is still fast like yeah it just doesn't make sense oh we talked about it like when he said his last world record like if we'll see some see him bench 800 pounds eventually it kind of seems like he will judging by how that looked

yeah you could do it right now you know a modest 50 pound. But if someone benched 550 like that, you'd say, oh, 600 is there easy. Right. And I get we're in a completely different territory. Uncharted. But still, the way 750 goes that easy, you got to think 775 is not that far away right now. No, and I think that would be one of the big numbers coming. Well, 765 is actually another plate.

That's eight plates.'ll be so he'll be hitting and he he could have hit an eight he could have hit that 765 just 10 more pounds so he'll be at an eight plate raw bench in the gym kind of right now it's so dumb yeah that is really dumb any eight plates on each side for the bench wow uh yeah it doesn't make sense yeah he has to worry about like a bar whip bar whip on the unwrapped yeah he needs the monolift attachment for the uh for the bench can't lift that thing out he really is crazy what was it there was uh john hackett big one yeah i think he totaled 2055 he didn't cut weight so he wasn't competing in the 183 or 181 he weighed in at like 195 or something like that

so it's his biggest total ever yep and that takes the record from jesse norris yeah he did yeah because that was was that the 2035 or something like that that was like that 203 pound well that was always confusing it was was it 198 198 yeah because that. Yeah, that was like that 203 pound. Well, that was always confusing. It was, was it 198? 198, yeah. Because that was what, because he was always a USAPL lifter, but that was down at Record Breakers, wasn't it? Yes, it was.

Which has the different classes. So he weighed, was in the 198. John and him were both in the 198 class for this recent record. So yeah, he broke kind of cat, almost, John almost kind of casually, it seems like, just was like, I'm just going to do this this meat in this other weight class and he set the world record in sleeves by about 20 pounds i think he deadlifted 810 which is a pr and he benched like 523 i know those are he's almost got i think he's the third heaviest either the third i think he's the third heaviest deadlift in that weight class really in sleeve meets so it'd be like kaylor and there was someone else in there and then bench

he's like the second heaviest bench yeah it was just like malik dearest for like a for like a full power yeah yeah yeah for full power yeah well that's what how many guys under 200 are benching over 500 that aren't bench only yeah i i just have a hard time thinking of anyone you know yeah especially like you said that aren't bench only that would that's the big uh differentiator there i think for sure yeah that's super impressive so he's pretty good at lifting he is well it's it just makes you think okay if he really wanted to just fill out like that 198 weight class yeah i would think his numbers could easily jump another hundred hundred and some pounds over the course of like he could total 2150 if he was because

then he would weigh more like 205 to 210 and he would cut down to 198 yeah but then also it's like well then what if he just starts making the run at right right right. Yeah. Kind of always the big jump after that. It's like the two 20. Right. Yeah. And then you get like Uri Belkin territory, which is, uh,

now you gotta be like totally like what? 2,300. Yes. But he's not, it's not unreasonable. If he did it over a period of time, it's not crazy. Five years from now that I would say that's possible.

That's not in the realm of impossible. No, no, nope. Oh, Mr. Hack, where will he go? he wants time will tell you yes that's right oh oh should we jump into our most favorite segment we are getting to that time oh perfect i wanted to review last week's overrated underrated first there's a couple good talking points on that actually the first topic from last week's overrated underrated was ben stiller i said underrated underrated the people agreed with you

62 underrated i'm proud of the people on that one i voted i voted just hours ago so i think i know the answers okay you probably already do magic you said overrated and i think everyone else said overrated. Yep, 55% overrated. Still 45% underrated on the Magic. Extended warranties. I said overrated. I was shocked at actually the number of people that did say underrated. Yeah. When I checked, it was like 30-something. Yeah, 31% said underrated, but the majority, 69, said overrated.

I was a little surprised that there were people that thought warranties were underrated. Yeah, yes. Okay, then so this is the last one yeah what was the last tiger meat tiger meat oh was it like 50 50 it's 53 underrated right now i'm curious if people actually know what that got quite a few messages about that's the one where i got several messages of um where people called it different things someone from michigan said they call it raw dog oh okay uh what were some of the oh someone said steak tartar oh i i have heard that actually i so i had to google steak

tartar and i think it's very similar i steak tartar i think is fancied up a little bit oh it could be maybe just a little bit but then just got this email as we were podcasting here also on the title is Tiger Meat. Breaking news. Yeah. I have lived in Canada and Pennsylvania. I had never heard of Tiger Meat until Mastanomics episode 198. So Tiger Meat might be specific to your region. From your description, it sounds unpleasant.

Is that it? Wishing you all the best on the hashtag road to recovery mike i thought they were going to have some groundbreaking news for us no i just thought it was funny it sounds unpleasant based on your description it sounds unpleasant it's good it's it's just it's like meat on a cracker but based on that description oh yeah we did not do a good job explaining it but it's surprisingly good but there did seem to be some people that hadn't heard of it and also that it has some different names in some different regions there. The regional delicacies.

Yes, yes. I still like tiger. Oh, someone else said tiger bones. Really? And they responded, no, it's not tiger meat, it's tiger bones. And I was like, no, it's not. Yeah, that's a bad name for it. But it is not Tiger Meat, it's Tiger Bones. And I was like, no, it's not. That's a bad name for it.

But it is not. It should be meat for sure. Yes. Okay, so that was last week's wrapped up. Now we'll jump into this week's topics. We've got a good slate of topics for overrated, underrated this week. I like a good slate. Are you ready?

I'm ready. All right. We don't have a specific overrated, underrated sound effect. I forgot that button, actually. What's this button do? Push it. Oh, I forgot that button, actually. What's this button do? Push it. I left that one. That's what it is. I couldn't remember for sure.

What's that one right there? That one's the... Masonomics. Red for Masonomics. Yeah, I got you. Green for money. Blue for air horn, obviously. That one for Stone Cold.

Give me a hell yeah. And, oh, I kept that one on too. Okay, so topic number one on episode 199 of Overrated Underrated. Overrated or underrated air fryers. Okay, so as someone that's lived the full life cycle of an air fryer here, so as someone that's lived the full life cycle of an air fryer here i i can say i without even using one my brain said overrated and we got one as a wedding gift didn't even ask for it we just got one as a wedding gift i thought well this is a dumb thing i'm never i'm very against having extra devices in the kitchen uh-huh it's just the kitchen you can get a lot of them oh there is a

specialized tool much like the gym there's a special tool for anything you ever need in the kitchen yep uh and a lot of them don't work as good as just knowing how to just do something the right way and we had this air fryer and it sat in the box for probably six months before we took it out used it and i was like it's okay and then you kind of get in a pinch if you have some of the food that goes good in an air fryer like chicken strips yeah chicken strips yeah and you something about you take that air fryer out you put them in the basket you turn the dial the 10 minutes you walk away and they're pretty damn good. You didn't wait 10 minutes for the oven to preheat another 15 for him to cook. And that whole,

I mean, really, we're not talking about anything. That's a real problem, but there's just something about pulling out the basket, doing it. And it's easy and it's crispy and it's good. And that's why I want to say underrated,

but they do get hyped up a little bit too, though. That is true. They do get hyped up a little bit. They're kind of the kitchen get hyped up a little they're kind of the kitchen appliance of the of the it's right up there to me it's right up there i i feel like i became aware of it around the same time as like the instapot right right those are like two kitchen gadgets that were hyped up big time at the same time i'm still i'm still gonna say underrated just because i do enjoy having one in the kitchen. And if mine broke, I would probably,

I'd probably get another one. So if that means I'm going to get another one, I think that means I think it's underrated. That's a good point. So you said underrated. Yeah. Do you have one? We have one and we use it a lot,

especially with kids and stuff. It works. Yeah. It's like, that's like what it's perfect for is like kid food. Chicken nuggets. Yeah. And I heard people haven't done it.

They cook hot dogs in them really it's good uh warming up uh old pizza like cold pizza and i believe that people say that's good so if you don't like it like soggy from the microwave yeah really anything you can put anything in there you totally can but it's so is it is so funny like what you explained you know that it's kind of like maybe it took over the uh instapot a little bit or they're about the same time but then like what about when it was like pizzazz pizza makers like i think everyone bought one of those and now how often do you see somebody between the the pizzazz pizza makers and the george well that's the other one i was gonna say the george forman grill

everyone bought those if that they had one they had two i don't know if i ever knew of a house of guys in college that didn't have a george foreman grill in it and now how often do you see a george foreman grill i couldn't even or a pizzazz pizza maker i everyone i knew had one and like now i you know now it's just there's a few people that hold on to it that are like okay that's my i wonder if it's because it was at that age though like did you know like families that had it or was it all like kids just shitty stuff in college because everyone that i knew that had a pizzazz i only knew people that had pizzazzes in college maybe i didn't know any like families that had a pizzazz yeah uh i did know i there are some some households that have the

actual like the pizza corner pizza ovens you know but that's kind of uh that's a pretty nice device especially like the stainless steel yeah yeah like yeah it's got the crumb tray and uh-huh yeah that thing's the real deal okay but uh so air fryers underrated yeah okay real question it's george forman grills are those we might have to touch on that in another week here um overrated or underrated Birkenstocks Birkenstocks I don't have a pair I've never had a pair

I actually didn't think that they were really anyone still wore them until it seems like actually they are becoming somewhat popular again I've been out of the loop on the Birkenstocks game, though. I'm going to go. I think they're a little overrated. I think they're a little overrated.

I've never had a pair. It is a $100 sandal at the end of the day. I've never had a pair, and I probably think that's something I could say that I will never have a pair of them. Supposedly, they never have a pair of them i supposedly they have like uh they do have uh it's like a foam it's not foam it's like a synthetic one now um i can't think what the hell it's called a different look yeah oh yeah it looks like almost like a croc it's almost like a croc that one like that a lot of people say those are super comfortable and light i i'm not gonna say i would never do it but i probably

will not i probably will not it's just not my favorite look for myself yeah i don't have anything against someone else wearing it but it's not my favorite thing for me yeah i'm on the fence but i'm gonna say overrated overrated or underrated michael jordan this is a tough one i didn't think that this is a tough one just michael jordan is a pretty broad yeah yeah he there's there's a lot to that guy that's a lot to unpack as a player is he overrated he's one of the most hyped up players of all time that's what right part of what makes it so rightfully so yeah i will tell you what's overrated his shoes after i mean you can look at nike there's a reason they only re-release like from the 11 on down uh-huh because those are the only ones people really care about right they still keep coming out with them at this point they're just doing

it's you know just a performance thing so i think like the 34 just came out, I think. Really? 35, yeah. And I think people still say it's a pretty good... Well, it's the ones that Michael himself wore that are the ones that he wore when he played. And that's just all... Up until 97. That's all Nike... The whole hype of their whole sneaker collection goes just on re-releases of the 1s.

Yeah. And 1s, 3s, 4s, 5s, 10s, 11s. collection goes just on re-releases of the ones yeah and ones threes and fours fives yeah tens elevens yeah no one cares about twos the sixes are sevens and eights are kind of in that same area too i can't even think about the nine oh nine yeah nine is somewhat but it's like the sweet spot like everyone says one two three five 10 11 i feel like that is where nike makes so much money look up what the 12 i do like the 12 too i actually have a pair of the 12 do you really yeah oh they're uh when i was over when i was in kuwait uh-huh they not gonna use the term for the shops that they have a kit but they have these shops yeah you can buy knockoff crap from

and like jordan shoes are one of them you buy for like 30 bucks or whatever and i bought a pair of the 12s there i do like the 12s yeah i do not know what any of them are after the 12s though if 13s are like the he got game like that's what uh ray allen wore oh yeah like the 13 is a somewhat recognizable one but after that one to me they really start to drop off in a hurry okay yeah the 14 is not recognizable to me i can't even think what it is right now oh yeah i i know what that one is but yeah but i agree 13 12 is really my last of my favorite ones 11 is a really good shoe though yeah i really like the 11 yeah 11's super classic even 10s 10 is like the red and black 10 was like i remember that it's really good the red and black 10 was the first one i remember being a kid i went to

my friend's house i had an older brother and he had an east bay catalog there and the 10s the red and blacks were in it and i remember the thinking, I was probably in like third grade and that was the first time in my life I thought, whoa, that is really, really cool. And I didn't even know what a Jordan was or anything, you know, too young to comprehend. I think I knew who he was at that time, but I didn't get that he had his own shoes.

Right. That concept was a little above my head. There are some absolute classics in there. But so when we're talking about Michael Jordan, though, we have the shoe line. We have the player. We have the man himself who keeps a pretty low profile for who he is. But now you wrap it all together, and is he overrated or underrated?

Wow, Tanner, this is a really hard one. I agree. agree i don't know i don't think there's a right or wrong answer it's tough because what's tough what we often say a lot of times that overrated underrated is you have to pick one and he but he is so highly like as a basketball player as a basketball player or even just a sports player he is is as close to the godly on a pedestal as anyone in any sport. Yeah. The thing, though, is... Like by some people. Yes, yeah.

But also, there's a lot of players that get crazy hyped. People hype him up, but they don't win championships. Right. And he absolutely won championships. Well, and he never lost them when he went to them. And that's part of the two. And that's the whole point of being... Isn't that the whole point of saying you're the best?

I still don't know if someone comes along, say he's a some 15 year old right now and he eventually and he wins eight championships in you know 30 years from now he has eight i still there would still be people that are like no yeah not even close to as good as michael jordan you still wouldn't have had the same impact though. Right. Yeah. Right. It just seems really hard. Like LeBron's shoes don't, LeBron and Kobe, their shoes still, they still have shoes coming out and they don't, they don't even touch anything. No. No one's excited for.

Well, I don't think anyone could ever like do what he did. Yeah. Like it can't be done again. It's, he's so high at the, I still think'm gonna say underrated i still think it's just it's too far reaching in just culture in general what he what he's done to say overrated i think at this point i i'm gonna say underrated yeah underrated that was that was one of the toughest ones i've had in quite a while, Tanner. Just one other quick thought on shoes.

I can't remember the name of them now, but the Nikes that spell out air on the side of them. I love those shoes. Are they the, is it like the Uptempos? Yes, there you go. That's what they are, the Uptempos. Those are maybe one of my favorite. Outside of those, Reebok has two that i love

the shack gnosis you see that's how i've been on a re-release yeah it's 140 bucks i consider buying them even but i just if i wasn't such a cheap man i would have bought those but then if i bought them i would never wear them yeah like that's the next thing with it and i like those because a i like the way they look and i was a big shaquille o'neal fan so um and outside of those the one other one is the kamikaze by Reebok with Sean Kempore, which those are really freaking cool too. And all those shoes, like 90 shoes are super in style again now. A lot of those shoes were not considered, like the Jordans have always been fashionable,

but those other shoes, a lot of them have kind of been like not considered fashionable. The shagnosis, I could see how people would think that those are not a cool looking shoe, but to me they are cool. It's to the point where it's just so over the top that you kind of just have to give it props right it is a really cool shoe yeah yeah and it is surprising that no one as far as i know no one's really tried to do like a look like that again oh right they just kind of let that be the one and only yeah yeah okay last topic for overrated, underrated today. Overrated or underrated? Short shorts.

Short shorts. Well, when you say short shorts, that's tough. Silkies, I think is the term. And you're saying when guys are wearing those? Guys wearing short shorts. Not girls. I mean, that's... And we're not even talking like a few inches above the knees. We're talking like shorts with just a couple inch inseam yeah yeah i don't know i guess you can interpret how

you want to because because if you go short because i can tell you short enough because i can tell you what's overrated for sure long shorts that's those are absolutely overrated right uh working out with a short that goes like past your knee is infuriating at this point now. Like, because now there are options. Squatting with that, yeah. Oh, I couldn't even imagine doing something like that with a longer pair of shorts on. Yeah. They almost don't exist anymore even.

Even NBA games you watch. They sure did when I was in high school. Oh, yeah, yeah. But it's one of those things where it just styles. But you watch NBA now, a lot of guys, their shorts are hitting like almost mid thigh yeah yep and it's funny because what was it maybe even probably like eight seasons ago they had the soup like the spandex shirts basically yeah yeah really baggy long pants like a picture like dwight howard yeah yes and that was to me such a terrible look it was such extreme opposite ends

of fits on the same body yep and now it seems like things are coming the other way to where shorts are getting much shorter the jerseys are pretty much staying a tighter fit which i think makes sense it's probably safer you're not getting fingers and things caught but uh short shorts though i don't know what the public perception is on if they're how they're rated yeah that's what that's what really gets this one tough for me and then how short that's that is the other tricky part here not short like champion because like champion mesh shorts are short relative to those long shorts that we're talking about but i don't consider them short shorts i has to be shorter than that yeah um but not necessarily like like super not ridiculous you know not like the

yeah um okay i think i'm gonna say underrated short shorts are underrated okay short shorts are cool underrated i there has been a few people request that the lift short 3.0 be short i have i have seen that too so maybe we have to explore that uh sometime in yeah 2020 we'll uh hit up the r&d lab and really go go in depth on it short short 3.0 yeah maybe even uh what about actual like spandex spandex 3.0s that could be something there probably does need to be a 3.0 at some point in time. Well, if we release a 2, kind of on the heater now, we have to put a 3 out. And it is kind of our

cash train. You know, it'd be pretty cool if we got to the point where there's more lift short versions than Jordan's. Get up to lift shorts version 35. See, here we are saying, ah, there wasn't much cool after 12. That's what people are going to be saying about our lift shorts.

The 2s were a classic. The 2s, when saying? Like, ah, there wasn't much cool after 12. That's what people are going to be saying about our life shorts. Like, ah, the twos were a classic. The twos when they came out, man, that was pretty wild. And then they just kept re-releasing them in different colors. And people just kept buying them. And then they just keep arbitrarily raising the price $10 every year. Ah, that is the business model i say it you know i was just kind of hating on it but i say it out loud and it sounds so good it's when it's us getting the money that's when it seems like a good idea yeah when yeah when we're the ones collecting it it

makes perfect sense yes okay new maybe we could say that the uh the goal for 2020 has just changed based on this last conversation yes we need to release 10 versions of the lift shorts this year each one more expensive than the prior just to just to get as much distance as we can so that the ones well we actually kind of can be the ogs you said like charging we did charge more for the two we did arbitrarily charge a dollar more so if we just keep arbitrarily charging one dollar more by the time we get to the 35s, we're up to like $60. Yeah. I like it.

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