Massenomics Podcast - Ep.211: The Home Gym Bubble of 2020

Episode Date: April 20, 2020

Home gyms are popping up in garages, basements, and bathrooms everywhere right now.  What do we think that means for the future of gym culture and gym equipment?  We also revisit the Thor 501KG deadlift controversy. Hybrid Performance Method: https://hybridperformancemethod.com/ and use code MASS to save 5% on all programs Lifting Large: https://www.liftinglarge.com/ and use code MASS20 to save on Lifting Large branded products Spud Inc.: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

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We're all buckled in for episode 211. Tommy, before we really strap into the good stuff, did you see that Tiger King had a follow-up episode or something like that? I actually did see that. I have not watched it yet just because I'm super in Sopranos mode right now, but I did see it on there. If you watch the show, you've got to at least see what this last piece is about, right? I would think so.

I haven't watched it. I really haven't talked to anyone that have watched it but i'm also just kind of uh it's even even the they did such a good job of getting it out so quickly after i'm also just kind of done with that now so yeah i think a lot of people have kind of moved on you know it's even by the time this episode comes out which is several days after we record it right tiger king's even going to be more in the past you know yeah yeah just funny how fast that came and went yeah yeah i mean i still do see some memes and laugh but yeah not like two weeks ago no what about are you familiar with mcmillions i have watched the entire thing yes you have okay i haven't watched it yet as uh actually i watched the first episode of it but but I don't know how many episodes there are.

But that seems pretty entertaining so far. Yeah. That one cop on it. Yeah. He kind of makes the show. That guy is just loving his life so much on it. There were several times where I was watching it thinking, this guy is having way too much fun doing this thing. Yeah.

So is that a new documentary then? yeah I think it came out I actually watched it while the episodes were coming out and that was a few months ago okay I mean 2020 for sure okay okay yeah that is a good and that's about the the uh McDonald's monopoly um scam basically which I didn't know a thing about I know that was completely lost on me for for the people that don't know a thing about. No. That was completely lost on me. For the people that don't know, I think everyone's familiar with McDonald's Monopoly, unless you're super young. Most people, I think, remember it.

And the first 20, or actually the only 20-some people or whatever it was to ever win it were all related and all knew each other. We're all connected in some way. And once that was brought to the attention of the fbi they looked into it and there was some shady stuff going on so the documentary just covers that yeah but that i i but were you aware of this there even being a scam no i never heard of it at all and then i thought well when this was going on, when they really started investigating, it was like 2001, two-ish, right in there.

And I'm thinking, well, I was like, you know, 12. So a McDonald's Monopoly scam wasn't probably high on my radar at all. Right. So that's, I think, why I missed it. They even mentioned in the thing that, in the documentary a few episodes in, that once the FBI starts looking into it,

it was right when, it was a couple days, I think, after September 11th happened. And they're like, so it got completely lost in the media and it makes sense. So, right. Good point. Um, do you remember playing, getting, peeling those pieces off? I remember it, you know, I grew up in a town small enough that I was not near a McDonald's. So my experience with it is very, very limited. But I do remember seeing like commercials for it on TV. And I do remember doing it a few times where you'd go in and you'd have the pieces. And yeah, I don't have memories of it. You could get the game board. Yeah, I don't have memories of it like I'm sure a lot of people do though.

Yeah, yeah. And I also didn't realize they talk about how it was basically once they decided to run the thing, it was basically McDonald's printing money because their sales would go absolutely through the roof. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Huh?

Yeah. That's so that, but that is a good recommendation. That's a good show. I think I would recommend that to anyone. Yeah. The one other thing that I've been doing that I have not played a video game of almost any kind for multiple years.

And this is barely a video game, but it is worth noting because I became slightly addicted to it over the last few days with my son. It's just an app. So it's not even, it's barely a video game. It's just an app on an iPad and a phone. And it's not even that good,

but I am quite honestly a little bit addicted to it right now. It's called worm eight, like W O R-R-M-A-T-E. And then I think the technical name is like Worm8.1.0 or 0.1 or something like that. Or.io. .io, okay,.io, yes, yes. And what I would describe it as, this isn't worth spending any time on, but just to maybe vocalize my addiction so

maybe i can help myself get over it in the next couple days it's just do you did you ever play the game snake when you were a little you know on like a dos program where you get or or on the old nokia cell phone yeah yeah yeah yes yes one of the one of the original cell phone games a lot of people had that cell phone i knew a lot of people that had that exact cell phone um yeah it's it's like that on steroids basically except it's and it's also multiplayer so everyone get that's playing gets i don't know if i suppose you call it like battle royal royale uh okay mode where everyone's thrown into the same thing so me and my son can both get on it on the same time and play in the same world or you know on the on the same we're in in the same thing so we can go find each other on the map basically and then like

uh you know team up against other people or yeah i have uh tanner actually while you're talking i have a little session going here in my browser all right just to inspect what it's all about yeah it's just it's just it's like an amped up version of Snake for the Nokia telephone. Yeah, it's like an updated version. You know, it's not just a flat screen with rectangular lines moving around. Yes, yes.

A little more sophisticated. Yeah, not that much more sophisticated. That's why, you know, compared to what actual video games are, I hesitate to even necessarily call it a video game, but have spent at least a few hours over the last few days playing that. So that's one of your quarantine tips right now? Yeah, yeah, play Wormate, especially if you can have multiple people playing on it at the same time, which is also so funny to me because when I was in high school, I can't even remember the games.

I suppose Halo or other games like that that were on the PC, we tried so hard to even be able to play together on a network at the school, and then it still basically didn't work. like oh yeah it was at the school oh yeah and then it still basically didn't work you know yeah and now i remember with my friends getting like local area parties going with halo and we thought it was absolutely crazy when you'd get four xboxes together yes occasionally 16 people playing locally which now thinking it is nuts because no one does that anymore no but and and now it's just as easy as i just pick up my ipad and it's like we're playing a video game against each other through like what yeah you know just there's not like the issue of oh because that used to be for us and then someone had a router yeah someone had a router and then the router wasn't working right and the the things just the the connections weren't working it was

such it was work to do on top of moving TVs that weighed like 80 pounds apiece. Yes, TVs, cords. Yeah, you had to really want it then. Yeah, you did. You didn't accidentally do that. But now you can accidentally do it. It's just effortless, and all of a sudden there's hundreds of people playing in a game, actual people playing against each other. playing against each other yeah but i do understand i i get why video games are like so addicting and the way they are the the way they are that the way they are now because playing

against actual people is just so much more fun the thought of that is so much more fun than um playing against you know just the computer or whatever you call that because just like if you beating someone else it's just much more satisfying knowing if it's an actual person yeah the against you know just the computer or whatever you call that because just like if you beating someone else it's just much more satisfying knowing if it's an actual person yeah the competition there's that just that realness of actual competition that will always get you right so i i do see that's why you know i do see the why why people get into that you know i could i could picture that that concept yeah probably still won't get a... What is the newest video? What is the newest console?

Is it a PS5 yet? PS5 is coming out. The next generation is coming out at the end of this year. Okay. So does Xbox have a... Yeah. Is it Xbox Series X? Is that what it is?

Because is Xbox One currently the newest Xbox? Yeah. Okay. And then they have the Xbox like the xbox i think one x is like they've all came out with like this minor bump in specs a couple years ago but yeah so series x is the new xbox then playstation 5 they're both slated for the end of this year who knows with supply chain stuff if that will actually happen i don't know i'm not paying that close attention to it but um i it'd be pretty cool to have yeah i don't know what i would do with it i honestly would not know how to use it at this

point in time i mean i haven't had anything since an xbox 360 um at which point xbox live was just becoming something that people used yeah now i assume you don't like use an xbox without like is xbox live a, is that a terminology or like, you know, honestly, none of my friends, all of my friends are on PS fours. I don't have any friends that use Xbox. I would be shocked if Xbox live didn't exist in some fashion now, but I, I've had many friends, many of my friends telling me in this age of quarantine that I really need to get a PlayStation. And I, I like once a week, think about it and I'm like, ah, I should really do that. And then I decided, no, I have no time

for that. I'm not going to do it. And then I wait until the next week and have the same conversation with myself. Yep. Yep. That would, that would be the thing for me is the, I honestly just don't like, that's kind of what people say to be little people that use it. But I also feel like it's true is like, I just honestly don't know when I wouldn't have, I don't have enough hours. Although, like I said, I see how it would be really fun and I would,

I'm sure I would enjoy it. I just don't know when I would be able to do it very much. Yeah. And I also am like, even if I've carved out the time for it, I just think, is that what I should do? What else should it?

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's it's the guilt. Yeah. Yeah, it is. And you do it for a while and a while you're like oh man that i shouldn't have done that i should have done something productive for those two hours yeah so now that everyone has our very uneducated uh input on gaming yeah we can move over to things that we know slightly more about now i guess yes not maybe that slightly more about now, I guess. Yes. Not maybe that much more about,

but slightly, just slightly keyword there slightly. And this first thing Tanner is more followup from last week. Yeah. And you know, that's an option of the mass economics podcast. Let's ramp. So two 10, maybe go back and listen to it.

If you haven't, what we discussed last week, because we're so cutting edge and everything was the slight beef between Eddie Hall and Thor and specifically Eddie Hall calling out Thor saying that his deadlift wouldn't count because of the circumstances under, under which it would be performed. And we, we had some conversation about it last week because that, I think that video had like came out like hours before we recorded last week. So there wasn't much time for the internet to react. And since then, there's been a lot of reactions.

There has been. Like a lot. Most of the big names in Strongman have put some type of opinion in on it. Many of them have made full videos about it. There's been countless comments made across instagram posts and reddit threads and youtube everyone has had an opinion everyone has an opinion on it and just with everything that's happened and there's a few more things that have even uh came out since what we knew last week about the deadlift i think we need to revisit it and talk about it a little more i think so and

last week you had i didn't even i mean i didn't even know about it until right before we were podcasting. You had mentioned it, and it's like, oh yeah, let's talk about that. And I think last week my thing was, all right, I'm still on board with it. I would count it as a world record. And I think you were kind of of that same attitude last week? Yeah, yes. This week, has your attitude changed um i i understand more the opinions of people and i'm not sure if i'm that the more i think about it i'm not sure i'm not

really in one camp that hard probably i i guess i get what both sides are saying but ultimately to me i think for as official as they're going to set it up and really what this is going to look like at the end of the day, to me, I don't have a problem with it being a world record. To me, it makes sense that it's a strong man world record because the thing about strong man is who's to say what is and isn't a world record to begin with who is the official record keeper of this word of this you know i'm not even gonna say it's not even a strong man isn't an organization you know strong man isn't a a thing it's just a sport that people do it's it's not the nba or the nfl or you know there's no uh there's no league

here there actually there is there's multiple ones and that's that's really the you know the essence of the problem of where this comes from governing body right right uh so to me i think it's okay because i think this is just as official as the other this is going to be just as official as these other things that we kind of consider to be official. And that's just my opinion, but I get what it, where people come from on the other side. And I would pretty much echo you on that. And I just, I get so, there's so many things to talk about with it. Yeah, there is.

I just think if someone made a really compelling argument one way or the other, I think I could be swayed. That's pretty much where I'm at on this. Right, yeah. I also am not like that much of a just stickler for these strongman rules that I'm not going to be the one to say that if he does it. Nope, not a world record, like not counting it in my book. Like I would have a really hard time making that statement with it but I think people's biggest thing the biggest thing it sounds like most people are coming down to is that they don't like the pretty much the setting of the competition right and that setting being that it's supposedly in

Thor's gym which now I'm seeing like maybe it's not in Thor's gym, which now I'm seeing like, maybe it's not in Thor's gym. I, I don't know those details yet. And I don't think anyone will until it takes place, but, um, I think they won't do it in Thor's gym specifically because of this. They'll make sure it's not in Thor's gym.

Yeah. The two biggest issues I see people bringing up repeatedly is it's, it's in Thor's gym. It doesn't count. That's your home court. It can't be in your gym. Okay. So if he doesn't do it in his gym, does that take away that argument? Does it matter if it's 10 miles away?

Like, is that like, how far does he have to travel for it to be okay? Exactly. And that's what, and that's what people talk about with this. Well, in a lot of, a lot of sporting events, there is a thing called home field advantage, right? Um, you know, Eddie's deadlift, it was still done in England. It was done. I looked according to google maps it was done in wembley stadium it's like 150 miles away from where he lived right i mean yeah he traveled but really and it was on his bar someone said they that he brought they brought his bar even but brian shaw has a 24 minute video on this and he goes pretty in depth talking about the,

the history of strong man deadlifts. And he talks about, um, what's that, that, that iron mines bar that has the big, like over-exaggerated plates on the end, kind of the old timey strong. Right. Yeah. And he talks about how big Z like set a record on that. And there was all these other deadlift records before that you know with varying bars and different weights used on the end whatever they did and it's just recently where it started to become more standardized and he talks about how he had a record and he had like an axle deadlift record and then yeah just the record being changed over time and then hummer tires yeah hummer tire and then elephant bar most recently

kind of throwing a wrench in things silver dollar deadlift exactly like that's strongman in general okay so it's just it's never been standardized and so now people are complaining more and more about it not being standardized but to me that kind of goes against the the sport of strongman in the first place is that yeah the implements have never been really standardized right and then eddie hall was the first one to really do this and he said that he was invited to do eddie eddie hall's uh what was it the world deadlift championship is that what they called it then i can't remember so maybe yeah giants live world deadlift championship which was done at wembley stadium um on pretty much a home field for Eddie hyped up big time. And he said he was invited to do it, but it was the way Brian shot described it. It was pretty much done under

Eddie's conditions. They, they set, they said ahead of time, these are the jumps we're making. And he said they were going from like four 60 to 500. And Brian said, I wanted to do one in between there, but that wasn't an option because i wasn't calling the shots so right he said so i decided i'm not going to do that one and he also goes on to say that you know eddie's sponsors did have a lot of the money behind it so okay i guess it makes sense that it is set up for eddie but really his whole thing with that is that eddie the the he claims that the event was basically set up entirely for eddie and it was it was there was more to the event but eddie did just the

deadlift you know he didn't do the events afterwards or anything right um so like already there it's like well okay like eddie hall did have a huge sway in how that event was ran like you could already make an argument that that's not how competitions are supposed to go. Right. Couldn't you? Yeah, yes, I think for sure. And then like the whole time thinking like about this is it wasn't that long ago

that Brian Shaw had the Stone World record. And as someone that watched those Stone World records take place, one of the things people like to talk about is the timing and the pace of things. I mean, if Brianaw didn't set the timing and the pace for the stone record then i don't know what he was doing you could have he set his timing and pace by a with a sundial for that event he did and was there other competitors competing in that event that day

there was not there was not so again i not. So again, I feel like Brian Shaw didn't completely address the situation fairly there because he, for one, sure, I will understand the argument that it was set on a calendar and it was in front of a crowd, but there's no real apples-to-apples comparison in Strong I guess is, I guess what I'm trying to get at. And I, it just sounds like people being bitter about their records.

Yeah. Well, I think part of it too, like you said, there's a lot of different ways to attack it, but I think part of it too, is that historically strong man was not a sport of records. It was a sport of winning titles and competitions it was a sport of full competitions in because it was so varied and so uh unique and and just so many different just like what we talked about all the different types of deadlift and everything um people were not focused on world records because that's not what the sport even was. The sport was winning the contest.

Who's going to win a contest? Yeah, right. And it's not a whole lot different than an NBA game. You know, the point of an NBA game is to, or of a basketball game is to win the game, not to be the person that said, I made the most threes. Like that's something that happens as a byproduct of the game.

But the way that they're promoting things now is these records aren't happening as a byproduct of the event, of the Strongman event. People like to see records broken, and promoters and athletes know that, and they're able to capitalize off it. So now that's becoming the center attraction of Strongman, at least in some cases, is these world record attempts.

And that's been a shift over the last, not that long, even since Eddie Hull broke that record, I think is a big turning point in that shift that shift over the last three or four years. And that's part of the problem, or I don't even know if it's a problem, but that's kind of the root of the issue, I think, is that it's a sport that wasn't set up for records, but now all of a sudden that's the thing that people talk about the most is the records. Now, all of a sudden, like that's the thing that people talk about the most is the records. I agree. And I just I have a hard time complaining about any of this for those things you were just talking about. And right. It's I just I have a hard I've said it now.

I feel like a broken record, but I just have a really hard time with people complaining about this stuff because. Right. OK, so if Thor, let's say one other guy is competing with Thor. Is that, is that acceptable now? Right. Is that the number?

Yeah. If, if two other guys are competing with Thor, is that the number? Yeah. Or does it have to be done in front of a crowd? If there's a crowd there, does that make it better?

If Thor is competing in front of a crowd by himself, does that make it better? Because to me, that's what Brian shot it with the stone record. He competed in front of a crowd by himself does that make it better because to me that's what Brian shot it with the stone record he competed in front of a crowd by himself yeah he got to take like 30 minutes to pick that stone up and also doing it not in front of a crowd Thor's not doing that as an advantage that's just a circumstance of the situation that we're in right now they're still trying to do something here and they can't be in front of if you asked if you gave him his choice he would love to do this in front of a huge crowd i think like that would always be but

but we're just a victim of what we are and they're still trying to do something cool which i think that's kind of respectable and that's where brian shod did also cut him some slack and he said i feel really really bad for thor because he had planned this out a long time ago right before all of this coronavirus stuff started taking off so he was already planning on doing it but because of the situation we live in he just decided well right rather than scrap my plans and wait who knows until next year maybe to do it i'm just going to go ahead under a slightly different situation. And those guys know better than anyone. Eddie knows better than anyone what it took for him to get to be able to deadlift 500 pounds.

You know, this has been a road that Thor's obviously chosen to be on and to take. And between diet, training, drugs, everything else that he does, like he probably does, he's not like, oh, okay, I'll just do it again next year. You know, like, we'll just wait. You know, it's like this is the time probably. And then with that, you could bring up Brian Shaw address this, too. He goes, you know, it's not like the Olympics where they are. He goes, Olympians don't just get to say, well, the Olympics are canceled. I'm going to go hop into a pool and swim. And that's my record.

But I would also say strong man doesn't have a governing body. That goes right back to the same thing of it sounds like you're complaining about there not being a governing body. But at the same time, I don't think any of the Strongman would like it if there was a governing body. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's what people make fun of the USAPL and the IPF for, for being a governing body, governing body rules. And then now when strongman isn't sticking to it it seems like we're also making that complaint that right i don't i don't really get it the the other this is almost more of a footnote uh magnus for magnuson is is the judge i think the

in-person judge he's from iceland obviously doesn't have to travel that far um but for what it's worth there from what what i remember having seen in the past is those two aren't good buddies anyways like a long when when thor very first got into strongman maybe magnus might have kind of found him or there was some that you know they made it trained with him for a little while that sort of thing but from what i've kind of heard in the before is they're not they don't even really like each other and also magnet if they if they do like each other they don't let on to it at all well and also they live in they're two of the best strongmen of all time that both live in the country of iceland and i have you ever seen a video of those two in the same place other than like not outside of him judging him at the arnold

the way he already does you know and and people do always say that magnus is a strict of a strongman judge as they come yeah and so you're taking hopefully there's other i mean ideal i guess i don't know how the giants live thing was if they had a front and side judges or if it was just a front judge which actually it's not power lifting it's strongman right strongman only has a front judge doesn't right yeah i think i think so yes but at the arnold they do three judges though don't they oh actually i did a deadlift of a max deadlift event in a strongman competition, and they had three judges. I'm trying to think, though. Elephant Bar, do they do three judges, or is it just the head one?

I think they do, because I think I picture Carl Gillingham or someone sitting on the side. But they don't show lights, though. No, right, right. It's one of those things where I don't completely get how that system works because there's not like lights like, oh yeah, he passed that two to one that discussion never comes up. So again, that's where the rules get really, really weird because it's not powerlifting, but if they do do side judges, hopefully it's also people that are legit and it's not Stan Efferty on his phone recording it while he's judging it because that makes it

look not very cool either. Right. And then the final thing though, I shouldn't say final thing, but one other thing that developed today is supposedly this lift is going to be broadcast on ESPN. And I don't see anything saying like ESPN two or ESPN3. The World Ultimate Strongman, their Instagram account says, our official TV broadcast partner is ESPN. It said they'll be bringing the 501 deadlift world record to millions of homes across the USA, live from Iceland. We're pretty sure this is the first time in Strongman history that a Strongman event will be televised live. Tune in on May 2nd, 2020 at noon eastern to witness the heaviest deadlift in human history and then it says um in parentheses 18 inch deadlifts excluded so again you know there's

already other they have to even caveat that yeah they have to caveat because that's the sport of strongman for you yeah i'm not saying that in a way of complaining i'm just saying that's what it is that's huge though if that if it's like on espn that's a pretty huge deal and that kind of supersedes all this arguing of like that's just just such a bigger deal to me that it's even going to be on espn like live broadcast that's pretty pretty huge i think like that's a big deal it's got to be one of the only live sports being broadcast in the entire world so yeah it could it could generate some interest yeah and it's the mountain from game of thrones you know i'm sure that that's will be their main thing that they talk about if it does show up on espn is how it's the mountain

from game of thrones but um you know that gets overplayed a little bit i think when you get outside of the strongman community his role as the mountain but i'm sure they'll use that uh that's pretty cool though i i'd be i want to watch that there i don't know that i have espn but i'll figure out a way to have it for that yeah yeah it should be fun to watch and then so these other these other world records with the with the stoltmans are these uh happening on different days or do you know anything about those are on different days those are on different days and they also announced i think that alexei novikov is going to go for a dumbbell world record maybe okay so the the other one with one of the stoltmans though with the because he's going for the log yeah the log record isn't he that brings up the

same thing too and because i don't i'm not a strongman competitor you know i've lifted we have two different logs in the gym and i've got to use those but brian shall also talked about the log there's complaints or people will bring up the argument of well is it a stone log or a wood log how big a round is it how long is it And that goes right back into the whole thing of, well, what do you count as a world record with any of this stuff? Right. Yeah. Because it's almost certainly not going to be the exact same implement that Big Z set the record on. Right.

And really, when it comes down to it, these records, where are these records recorded? What are we talking about here? This record book like this is just all fiction there's not the there is no record book there's not the open powerlifting the open strongman record no because it because every single record would have an asterisk behind it because people would want to know what conditions it was done in yeah i do know that like starting strongman they keep he keeps like a record book, but I believe that's just him keeping it. So I suppose he makes some decisions on what gets to count for things and doesn't.

But all in all, there is not. Well, and it's OK. If deadlifts, I get that there's only a few guys going for the world deadlift record. But if someone came along and did it and it wasn't on, let's say someone does, beats it by 10 kilos, but it wasn't on calibrated plates. Does that not count anymore too? You know? Well, and then it's another record. Yeah.

It's another. Yeah. Now that record is on uncalibrated plates. And then there's the record on the elephant bar. And then, you know, I mean, it's just goes on and on. Which is fine because that's what strongman is. Right. I guess if people really, really, really want to make an issue about it, go to powerlifting. That's what strongman is right just i guess if people really really

really want to make an issue about it go to powerlifting that's what powerlifting is for right right and even in there people will find things to complain about too and they do find things pretty damn good at it actually either way though i'm excited to see this thing go down if it does and the fact that it's on espn i think is a win for the sport yes i think that's that's the biggest win i think should we read some ads tanner oh i thought you'd never ask all right today's show is unless you had something else you what you thought we left out there no i still think we need to move towards the uh full episode of only ads i think that's got to ultimately be the goal of just an episode of all ads maybe that think that's got to ultimately be the goal

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the never i mean if people could see this list it's it's pretty impressive tanner well we it's it's lasted for 211 episodes thus far so it must have been a pretty long list i mean just eyeballing it i think there's 200 more episodes worth of topics in here for sure. That's how we started the podcast is we made a list of 1,000 things and we're like, we're going to record episodes until we get to the bottom of this list and we've just gone straight down in order.

Yep, and it just keeps adding on. And we knew some of these topics. It was weird how we knew some of these topics would happen ahead of time, but that's just how good we are essentially we predicted the coronavirus uh four years before anyone else even knew anything about it we're just good like that maybe we should have shared some information on that prior to this but there's world secrets in here so we can't let them all let them all out right but the one that we did call we knew years ago when we started this

whole thing that april 15th uh 2020 we were going to discuss the used gym equipment market for various reasons. And there's a lot of reasons to discuss it right now. And specifically, we're going to talk about the garage gym boom is happening right now, without a doubt. The garage gym boom of 2020. You know, we don't sell garage gym equipment, but we sell garage gym banners. And there's a garage gym banner boom happening right now. We're experiencing that firsthand. Yes.

There is no shortage of customers to buy stuff for your garage gym. No, I mean, our biggest hurdle is keeping them stocked, really. So if there's any entrepreneur-minded people out there you're looking for ideas if you can come up with something for garage gym market and get it live and ready to sell in the next week or two you could still make a lot of money on this thing because the market's still there but i think i think what we're wondering is with all of these garage gyms blowing up in popularity in the number of people having one and the amount of equipment being bought purchase invested in so is it a bubble is it a bubble is it going to be there

six months from now and i i don't know the answer to that i where i'm not sure is, to me, a big part of the gym is the social part of it. Is lifting in a group, lifting with people, having spotters. I mean, just getting some social interaction in general. And that's one thing that a garage gym doesn't necessarily provide. It can, but it's not, I don't think, something you can reliably count on. Right. And that's where, I mean, that would be the biggest reason why a garage gym would, why someone would quit using a garage gym, right? I can't think of really many other reasons other than

if you do have a gym that has much better equipment selection, you know, that would be a reason too. A lot of people, especially with powerlifting, they're not concerned about that much equipment. Well, no, you don't need that much. I mean, it's nice to have nice things, but if you're really into powerlifting, you really don't need that many nice things to do almost everything that you need to be at want, want to need to be able to do as far as powerlifting goes.

Like it's not that expensive even to buy. It's relatively speaking it compared to other hobbies and that sort of thing even to fully outfit your own home gym to power lift is not i i would say relative to other hobbies is not that expensive it's so cheap like yeah there's i 100 i just lifting is a very cheap hobby it's a very cheap hobby if you want to start your own home gym up, you can get a pretty legit setup for anywhere from $1,000 to $2,000, depending on how frugal you want to go. And one's not necessarily better than the other. You're just paying for nicer stuff. Now, you might not be able to do that right now

because of this bubble that we're living in. There's a shortage of things going right now, but there's not a lot of hobbies you can go almost all in on for a thousand dollars right right uh you know i i've partaken a few hobbies that i don't even know how much i've mentioned it like i bowl and i spend a lot of money on bowling i don't even care about bowling like i spend way more at bowling than i do for for lifting yeah another one is golf like i started golfing a year ago golf is golf's a pretty expensive one just memberships not even counting equipment memberships alone can really add up in that sport and that's hugely dependent on your location too yeah if i think of any hobbies

that you know i'm i'm thinking man because i'm a man part of the country yeah hunting and fishing big i was gonna say the big one is hunting and fishing. And those are essentially bottomless pits. Yeah, yes, yes. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, it's not that expensive in comparison to those things. I don't think. But, you know, but right now the issue is even if you want to get that stuff,

I've seen people are price gouging on used equipment now. So like the used equipment market, people are selling things on Craigslist for way more than what would have like a couple months ago. That's pretty interesting to me. Like that's funny to see that people can sell used equipment for two, three, four times more than they could like six months ago. For almost like list price now just because the demand is there. Right, because people can't buy it new. So if you want it that bad, luckily we're not in that case because we have a whole gym full of that stuff.

So it's like we're not scrounging. Like the thing to do right now for someone that is really savvy, like if we had all this stuff would be to sell it all like like sell it all and just not have it for like six months yeah just get out of the fitness game for like six months and profit come back and then just buy back in yeah yeah yeah with with all the stuff going on with home gyms i you're way more savvy about the price of stuff, Tanner, because you actually run and own the Masonomics gym. So you know what the market price is on, I would think, probably most things. Most stuff, yeah.

I have a pretty rough understanding of what you should expect to pay for things. I don't know what the actual going rates for most things are. but with all this going on, I was like, you know what? I'm going to look and see like what stuff actually does cost just to, just cause I don't pay much attention to it. And the one I was shocked by is the rep PR 4,000 power rack. Yeah. The price on that big six post one, like the, no, this is just the four post. Okay. It's just a four post rack and it doesn't have the flat bottom so it has the actual four feet. Yep. But you can pick your color and it's the nice three by three steel and it has the holes for the bench spacing. And it actually has some numbers imprinted in it too.

And you can pick a few different depths on it, whether you want a 24 inch, a 30 inch. On rep, you personalize a lot of things. There's a lot of add-on options that add a little bit to the price, you know, but still. Yeah, yeah. And you can pick whether you want an 80 inch height, a 93 inch height,

and then the depth on your cross member is 24, 30 or 41 inches. But at the base level, assuming you want a 93 inch height a 93 inch height with a 24 inch depth 673 dollars yeah and that's a nice rack that seems really affordable to me for a rack like that right they'll be shipping on top of it yes they're shipping and all that on top of it but still i didn't think you could get a nice three by three rack for under a thousand dollars. I didn't know that that was, I just thought it was like a thousand was what you spend on a rack.

So I was, and if you want to jump that up, like let's say you want a bigger rack where you have 41 inches of space inside, which is quite a bit of space that takes the price from, uh, that takes the price from six 69 to seven 13. So it doesn't really add a whole lot to the price from $669 to $713. So it doesn't really add a whole lot to the price. And because it's that 3x3 steel, it's compatible with pretty much every accessory system there is out there. Yeah, yeah. So I was surprised to see that.

I didn't know you could get into the game for that. But yeah, you do got to add shipping in, which is going to be a few hundred dollars. Right. And with all those right now, the issue is like, how long is it going to take to actually be able to get that from RepFit? And so the thing to note there is when you go to Rep's website, the first thing on their homepage, it says temporary temporarily pausing new orders until april 27th so they are way behind you're not even gonna be able to order it for two weeks yeah so i mean if you order a if you can order on april 27th is does that even mean it's in stock then i don't know so if you if you have a dream of setting up a home gym i maybe you could get something going

in may maybe yeah i don't know i'll put something in perspective you know in our gym we have that a small black half rack relative you know it's it's made from steel it's not a name brand by any means it's probably 20 years old and it's just a half rack, so it has some plate storage on the back of it. It has a pull-up bar across it. It has small spotter arms that come off the end of it. It's not extremely heavy steel. It's not like a very... It's not 3x3.

No, no, no. Nope, it's not that. We probably paid like $400 for that or something like that, I would imagine, when we bought it used at one point in time and we bought that long enough ago, it was before even like rep. I don't think you rep fitness probably didn't even have a website at the time, you know, like I don't think they did. Like it was harder to get equipment like this one.

Oh, and the number of racks that rogue offered then was way lower. Right. Tight and tight and fitness for sure. Didn't exist. No, no, no, no, definitely not. Um, and for anyone that really knows about it, I think the brand on that particular rack is either bigger, stronger, faster, or bigger, faster, stronger. I don't know which it uses. That doesn't really matter.

But, you know, so you know the rack I'm talking about. I mean, not that nice. I mean, it's fine. Like, it does the job. Someone could use it for a home gym for sure. But it's not like a super great industrial piece of equipment. I saw someone selling one of those online, listing it for $1,000. Oh!

Yeah, right now. That is insane. Yeah, and what you're asking and what you're getting are two different things at times, but just even the fact that, because I would argue it's even worth less than the $400 than when I paid just because of what you pointed out, how you can go buy all this cool stuff from Rep Fitness and all these other companies now. The value available in the market right now is completely different. Anymore, I think that rack is maybe worth $200 is what it's really worth. But right now, if people are willing to pay it because they're that desperate about getting a garage gym a home gym set up i guess that's what it's worth now yeah and uh quick research here for you tanner it is bigger faster stronger okay bigger faster stronger yeah okay i think most people that have

been in a gym if they looked it up would be like oh yeah i recognize their posters and things because they've been around since the beginning of time yes so what i wonder though is what you brought up at the beginning is is it a bubble that's gonna burst so in like six months from now are all these people that are lifting at home are they all gonna go back to their gyms right away when all those gyms open up or what percentage of people would you do you think are gonna keep continue to just lift at their garage gym or are they going to sell all that stuff? Like that's the big thing I'm wondering as someone that buys used equipment

relatively frequently is in six months, I feel like the market for used equipment is going to be pretty good for people trying to buy, because my guess is there's going to be a lot of people selling stuff that bought stuff over the last year. I can't even attempt to put a percentage or no to anything, but this is, there is for sure a lot of people that have always wanted a home gym and just needed a reason for it. Right.

And this was absolutely the thing that got them to make a move, to get over the hump, to do it. And they're, they're not going to be coming back anytime soon. Right. Nothing is forever. They might come back somewhere down the line, but they have their home gym. to get over the hump to do it. And they're not going to be coming back anytime soon. Nothing is forever. They might come back somewhere down the line, but they have their home gym. They're so happy their dream came true.

They're doing it. Like those people, they're gone for a while. Then there's the people that were in love with the gym and can't go to the gym. The gym's the only thing they have. So because of that, they made a home gym of some kind. Yep. And whether they got nice equipment because they had the money to or they scrapped together whatever they could, they have their garage gym.

I think a lot of them are still dying to get back in the gym and can't wait to be in there with their crew, lifting, doing their thing. And those people, you know, they're going to go to go back. They're not going to stick around in their home gym. They'll probably will liquidate some of their stuff, um, get some money out of what they can and just chalk it up to. That was what it took for me to continue my hobby in that time. Right. And I think those are, those are probably be the two major mindsets. There's going to be some other fringe cases in there where there's going to be some people that are like, huh, I have my home gym equipment. Money's not a huge issue for me. I'm

just going to hang on to this stuff. But I actually do like the ability to go into a gym and lift with people and socialize. So I think some people will hang on to both of them, but I do think it's going to fall more into the camp of, I have my home gym and I love it. And I have a home gym, but I can't wait to get back in the real gym. And how that actually splits, I have my home gym and I love it and I have a home gym, but I can't wait to get back in the real gym. Right. Yeah. And how that actually splits. I have no idea. Yeah. Yeah. But I do think if you're in the market for home gym, especially if you're in a bigger area, a bigger city, six months to a year from now, you can probably start finding some pretty awesome deals on Facebook marketplace, all those, all those spots. It stands to reason that for as bad as the deals are now, there'll be that good later. I think so. Also these companies should be

hopefully planning for that, that, uh, they, they could making all these sales now and getting all these out, but, uh, maybe six months down the road, they might not have the opportunity to hit all these sales that they're getting right now. So hopefully they're all planning accordingly too. True. Yeah. Do you have any more insight,

knowledge, anything to add on the, uh, use Jim equipment? No, no. I think that that, uh,

probably covers all that we need to cover for the time being. I'll be excited for deals to come out. I'll certainly personally be watching in our area of what becomes available once this all... I'm excited for so many reasons for this whole COVID-19 thing to go away. That just being one of them. You and me both. That just being one of them. Chalk that up to an additional reason,

it'll be nice when this goes away. I agree. Well, should we keep moving along with the show? Yeah. I mean, is it overrated, underrated time? Is it that time of the day? It is that time of the day. All right, great.

One of the best times of the day. Also, with that stimulus check coming in, though, we should be hoping to see more lift shorts being moved i would think right you know it's going to take an entire check to afford them but yeah i mean in theory we should see some lift shorts getting sold i think uh i read today that a lot of online banking was down today because so many people were checking their accounts to check on their stimulus but that like a lot of online banking sites were crashed. That would make sense because there's a lot of financially irresponsible people

that probably never check their bank account. And now all of a sudden they're like, God, I got to get in that thing. I got to know what's going on in there. Yes. Some people's net worth just like 10x today. And that's where we come in. I'm not saying that to rag on people, but some people it did. Oh, that's very true.

But that's where we come in as the sellers of lift shorts. A lot of you, this could be your one chance. It's almost like the government is throwing you a bone here. Yeah. Okay. So the game is overrated, underrated. It's a little thing we play on the show. Most of you are probably familiar with it by now.

I asked Tommy a series of, I give him four topics usually. It's actually, it's always been four topics, I think, with maybe a bonus topic here and there. Not sure if we've ever really done not four. Yeah, I don't know if four was explicitly in the rules ever but if if not i suppose that we need an amendment to the rules to it uh i'd have to add that it's just going to be four and tommy has his druthers can answer a shorter as long as he would like um but he does have to come up with an answer by the end of it whether the topic is overrated or underrated and the question is not whether he thinks it's good or bad whether he likes it or dislikes it it's how is it rated and is it rated too highly or not highly enough

so topic number one overrated or underrated monopoly not not mcdonald's monopoly just the board game monopoly okay not like monopoly of industry right well not yes not actual like uh yes not an actual monopoly yeah we're not talking not and i also am not interested in your take on oligopolies just actually the board game monopoly not like microsoft in the 90s and what they went to went to court for right yeah um monopoly the board game well as someone that actually just bought the board game um two weeks ago the did you buy the traditional version i bought just the straight up regular monopoly good it was it was they had they had several versions of it but i'm like i don't want these i'm not about all i just

before you even really answer i would just put it out there that i'm not about all those like star wars fucking yeah yeah bones all the other marvel or whoever whatever thing they're trying to do to make it's like the game still i get maybe some people the artwork is the only thing pulling them in maybe you're missing the point then but yeah i did buy the straight up original okay good surprise i just i didn't know that either i didn't know that you did that uh yeah about it two weeks ago i haven't even played it yet though so maybe that plays into my answer already that if i bought it and haven't played it maybe it is a little overrated and when i think about it the number of actual monopoly games i've completed in my life, I've played a lot of Monopoly games, completed Monopoly games.

Man, I'm having a hard time thinking of really any because it just seems like it's one of those games where people just get burnt out. Like it gets down to two people and it's like, yeah, this has been going for so long. It's just, yeah, you two won. We get it. I do think Monopoly is a little overrated as a board game is it one of the all-time classics absolutely is it a little overrated i think it might be uh subcategory boardwalk and park place overrated or underrated as properties in monopoly you know i

just the names in general i think they're a little underrated. How many board games can have a square that people even can relate to? Like you can say the name and people get what you're talking about. That's true. I think I just have to say those spots are underrated. What's your favorite color of properties, or including railroad and utilities are also choices? It's been so long since i played the game i couldn't even tell you i i like monopoly so i know it pretty well and my personal strategy is i like

the light blue and light blue and the orange so orange is like uh i can't remember the names of it, but I kind of like that corner, light blue, and then it's fuchsia, and then orange. Beyond orange, after orange it goes to red and yellow. Yellow is Malgard, and I think Malgard Avenue or whatever. But red, yellow, green, and blue get to be so expensive. It's not in that sweet spot of a performance piece right it's so expensive that until unless you're farther along in the game you don't have

enough money to be able to manage the properties to be able to build enough on there to to rake it in so especially early on in the game those higher value properties i just don't think are that advantageous that's just my yeah you're you're already talking way more in depth than i could about monopoly because i don't think now you're talking i don't think i've played a game of monopoly for over 10 years i've finished many of them and i also do not care about the the utility companies are are crap those are just like a joke of spaces on the board and the railroads i'm not into the railroad some people really like the railroads but i would trade those for actual properties any day of the week don't say that to some of the massonomics gym members

we do have a lot of railroad workers there too yeah okay but you went fence to that position yeah that's true you went overrated on monopoly i did say overrated on monopoly okay um underrated or overrated or underrated snickers bars snickers bars i'm not a huge candy bar guy like i i don't know if i buy 10 candy bars an entire year actually i don't know if i buy five candy bars an entire year i don't i don't know if i buy outside of outside of buying the halloween bag, I'm not sure. What I used to do, I had a wakeboarding boat for a while. That used to, a lot of days, be my pre-lake rituals when you stop at the gas station.

For some reason, a Snickers bar seemed like that perfect piece of just garbage to get before you go out. Snickers bar. Perfect piece of garbage. Yeah, as far as candy bars go there's several i would pick ahead of it and it is probably one of the most hyped up candy bars there are it does seem like it yeah not a lot of candy bars have ads on tv nowadays actually snickers might be the only one that's an actual candy bar m&ms have ads but they're not a candy bar right i think i'm gonna say snickers are a little overrated i agree growing up i was always more of a milky

way fan over snickers i not a huge fan of either of those those are in the wrong genre of candy bars if i were to eat one that would not be in my top choice isn't it funny though how you can take basically like three or four ingredients and make a hundred different candy bars that people all have preferences over and it's like chocolate caramel like some sort of nougat wafer thing and peanuts yeah and like this one has chocolate and caramel but not nougat this one has nougat this one has all of those plus nuts you know like that's pretty it This one is thin and rectangular. This one is thicker. This one has peanut butter and it's in the shape of a circle.

That's the candy bar game, man. That is funny. Not a ton of originality there. I would still, though, if we're talking candy, I would always pick candy with chocolate over a fruit flavored or sour candy any day oh yes definitely like i would i would almost always pick candy bars like if i'm gonna eat something i would almost always pick candy bars over like starbursts yeah or oh yeah or something like that way more bang for your buck if you're gonna eat it like i'd rather have something

like with chocolate and peanuts and something a little more hearty yeah yeah i want yeah like you said it's it's better junk it's like the the fruity ones are literally just like cubes of sugar i mean i guess it all is but uh yeah yeah it just seems like you're getting something a little more substance with a chocolate bar of some kind right uh actually what i really like is i just like dark chocolate i do too as boring as that is like i i like those fancy, thin, square ones where it has the percentage of dark on it. Just because you feel like you're a man of class. Yeah, I'm like, I'm so fancy right now. While you're sipping a LaCroix.

My 82% dark chocolate. I don't even know what brand those are, but those are good. Yeah, I would every day always pick dark chocolate over milk chocolate me too okay overrated or underrated x games x games i think the x games are i think they're a little underrated i i like the x games i find them entertaining uh the thing with the x games is it typically a lot of it is sport that doesn't really need or depend on head-to-head competition but they find a way to make it work you know like yeah there's a lot of people in i think more like the world of snowboarding that they will never compete in snowboarding and there's a lot of brands that will never have anything to do

with the competition side and they'll be completely fine like it doesn't need competition to survive because of videos and all of the other marketing that goes with that world um but x games is like the one chance to like show that to the masses and so i think the x games are a little underrated i like them and is there there's winter and summer then too yep there yep there's winter and summer games which one do you like better i probably like the winter ones more just because i like to watch snowboarding yeah i i am a i am i grew growing up i was a huge fan of skateboarding but competition skateboarding is to me never as exciting as like someone actually filming a part for skateboarding yeah um

you could kind of say the same thing about snowboarding too but still watching snowboarding taking place it's just such a bigger thing that it is yeah it's fun to watch i liked i was a fan of motocross and snowmobile biggest trick i don't know if they still do the biggest trick or not because it's so extremely freaking dangerous like yeah i don't know if they do for snowmobiles anymore i'm not sure because it's just extreme like people die doing that like it is just waiting for people to like who's gonna all right what who's gonna push it until you you just die you know yes yeah yeah and it's crazy to watch yeah it's entertaining no doubt about that but it is pretty extreme there's also it's really funny if you go back to what like the early to late

or the mid to late 90s when the x games was getting going the sports that they've included have slowly changed over time like rollerblading used to be a part of the x games and that's basically disappeared i do think they also used to to have Street Luge and some things like that. As far as I know, that's not a part of it at all anymore. So they've adapted a little bit over the years. Yeah, it has molded over time. Oh, okay, I just had to do a little bit of quick research here. I just had to do a little bit of quick research here.

And it looks like mid-90s is when they first started to come around. And I'm trying to find the events here. I just had it. And then I clicked on it and it went away. It said, athletes competing in 27 events in nine sports categories. The list they have here consists of bungee jumping, eco challenge, inline skating, sky surfing, sport climbing, street luge, biking, and water sports. Like that list has changed a lot over time. Was skateboarding even in there? Yeah, skateboarding was on in there or yeah okay okay gotcha

yeah that has definitely changed a lot over time then yeah some of those would be yeah past events uh yeah aggressive and inline skating uh bmx i think they still have bmx in there they used to have rallycross oh yeah sure but the street luge is a funny one to be yeah and bungee jumping i don't get what but what's the competition i guess i'm the trick you're scored on your tricking i guess i i don't know huh i'm not familiar enough with it but But you did say underrated X Games. X Games underrated, yeah. Last topic for today, overrated or underrated, the McDonald's apple pie.

McDonald's apple pie. It's been a long time since I've had one of those. A long time. Is it the apple pie? Does McDonald's have the apple pie or the apple turnovers? I believe apple turnovers are Arby's oh really maybe they also have those but like the classic mcdonald's is the apple pie it's in the red box and it comes out and it's you know it's uh okay but it kind of looks like a turnover yeah but it's called the apple pie okay yeah yeah yeah that's where

i was getting hard they call it the apple that's why it's all that's basically why it's a topic just because it's like that this is an apple pie you know like yeah it's not really named correctly like i would call that if i saw that it's not a pie think of it as like yeah it's not a pie i would like think of it as like an apple pastry or an apple turnover by definition well actually i don't know by definition but by my definition of a pie I would think of something circular that you generally cut into slices to me that's like what a pie is like it has to be circular if it's not a circular it's now like brownies or something else so question number one is it pie I well first of all I would say the name is overrated because it's not correct yeah I think they have their naming wrong there um is pizza pie you know it makes sense it's in

a call pizza pie and it's in a round thing it fits the category I I have no no issues there also it doesn't it has to have a crust almost like has to be round and have a crust to be yeah yeah maybe that's the definition of a pie yeah I don't know the finer points of it, but I would buy that argument. McDonald's apple pie, I probably have not had one in, unless very drunkenly and I don't remember it, which I guess is possible, people just start throwing food in front of you.

I probably haven't had one in, yeah, I think so. That's probably an accurate guess 10 years um i don't go to mcdonald's thinking ah i need dessert you know i need that i will say this though maybe mcflurry fast food dessert fast food dessert i think that the burger king oreo shake is so underrated it is so so, so, so good. I don't know why that thing is so good to me. And also Burger's Hershey pie. They do have the Hershey's cheesecake pie or whatever they call it.

Is it a pie? That thing is underrated. It is an actual pie. It comes in an actual slice. A triangle. Shaped. Yes, it is in a triangle shape in its own little container. You take the lid off and eat it up.

That is good to me. I would say both of those are underrated i give burger king for whatever reason i don't really care for their food but they have their dessert game figured out to at least a level i approve of the mcdonald's apple pie i'm gonna say that that thing's probably a little overrated it's been so long since i've had it that i can't even comment on the taste but I think it's probably a little overrated yeah I have not I feel like it's felt fallen off a little bit maybe that it used to be more of a thing and then it's become less of a thing you actually got me I actually might before next week try and get a McDonald's apple pie just so I can provide some change yeah I I really feel like it's fallen off the map that almost like that that it

stayed popular enough that they just kept it around but like other restaurants like changed their dessert game so much like that it's kind of like stuck in like a 1992 dessert that like yeah they never evolved and it's pretty much everyone else has moved to like for fast food it seems like has just moved towards the ice cream game. Right, right. You know, and when I type in, I've got the McDonald's dessert menu up here. We have your shakes, your hot fudge sundae, your McFlurries, which I'm on board with all

those. I like those. I remember when McFlurries came around, you know, I remember the pre-McFlurry. They're good. I like them. came around you know i remember they're good i like them and the only thing that's not ice cream on the menu is the baked apple pie and the chocolate chip cookie uh they have a cookie too the baked apple pie comes in at 240 calories it is made with a tender flaky flaky lattice top crust with sprinkled sugar topping and 100% American grown apples.

They do their best to make that sound healthy. God, I'm tempted to go get one after this podcast, Tanner. Well, if you do, it'll be like that's what everyone will be on the edge of their seat for for episode 212 next week. Just dying to know how that experience went for me. I wonder how many apple pies will sell because of this episode you know we'll sell for mcdonald's sponsorship well yeah we need a affiliate program through mcdonald's yeah if i was gonna or at least or at least a burger king like dessert affiliate program i would pimp that thing hard well it's just pimping what you actually love like it's easy then.

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