Massenomics Podcast - Ep.230: Chad Wesley Smith

Episode Date: August 31, 2020

Who would you rather fight.. a creature with a Chad Wesley Smith head and a Louie Simmons Body, or a being with a Louie Simmons head and a Chad Wesley Smith Body?  We find out the answers to important questions like this in this episode with Chad.  We also give the rundown on all the winners of the Massenomics Stimulus Package contest. Hybrid Performance Method: https://hybridperformancemethod.com/ and use code MASS to save 5% on all programs Lifting Large: https://www.liftinglarge.com/ and use code MASS20 to save on Lifting Large branded products Spud Inc.: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. I hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Mastinomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Mastinomics! Welcome back, everyone, to episode 230 of the massonomics podcast we are the lifting podcast about nothing the lifting podcast about nothing and cool beans that's a new thing i want to do where i say we're the lifting podcast about nothing and something something else all right so today you just gave away your formula well i know but i just i just you know it's like tanner it's like for long time listeners would remember Something else. All right. So today. You just gave away your formula. Well, I know, but I just, I just. You know, it's like Tanner.

It's like for long time listeners would remember. You used to say you could find me at whatever. And then something like ICQ. Yeah. ICQ. You had a whole list of them. You went several weeks with like, like obscure old platforms that don't exist. Farmersonly.com. Maybe we'll do that again.

Well, now I actually have my own Instagram thing too. You do have that. For the longest time, I was completely uninterested in even trying to. You were Masonomics only. I don't blame you. I still think that sometimes. Oh, I just looked to how bad I am. I am probably the worst person at posting.

I looked in the past year year i have done 10 posts on instagram yeah so massonomics does more posts than that in five days yes all i use my personal one for is pictures of my kids and videos of me lifting and i i mean but really what else is instagram and i put the video literally I put the videos of me lifting on there as I use my like best days of my training blocks you know my heaviest days and it then I delete the video off of my phone yeah and then I can go it's somewhere back yeah right and then I can go look at it somewhere if I want to so that's how I use what I use that I really should up because it's um for how terrible my Instagram presence is.

It is surprising the number of people that do still follow me. And I'm like, yeah, you're getting nothing here. So I should maybe step that up a little bit. Yeah. All those all the massonomics. It is all massonomics. I look at it's like I click and like it'll be a name I don't know. And I'll look at, oh, lifting videos.

OK, I know what's going on here. Right, right. So I'll I'll I'll see if i can up that here i mean if i just do one that's probably good if i do twice as many that's still only two a month right that's manageable i would say but also do you really need to like is there not really but a challenge it'd be a challenge yeah yeah okay um today's episode we have sponsors again that's the good news the even better news it's the four horsemen they're back for more today's episode is brought to you by spud inc the goal of spud inc straps is to make products that support sports performance and help everyone

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Got caught up. It's got to be, right? Remembering that I wanted to say that this is the Lifting Podcast about nothing and. Just three out of your routine. Because it also doesn't make any sense because if it's about nothing, how lifting podcast about nothing and just three out of your routine because it also doesn't make any sense because if it's about nothing how is it about nothing and something oxymoron right right well who are the real morons keeping people on their toes we're gonna call it a moron we're gonna crack into a cold one right off the bat all right and by cold one he meant steaming good naturally

here we go Tanner I want you to take a guess at this I don't know if we've had this before or not it's hot yeah careful I want you to burn yourself there you know my baby's bottle warmer works perfect for fitting this

boy that has a smell doesn't it yes it does smell i feel like mixed berry okay but could it be called raspberry i'm feeling like mixed berry is this what i would consider this flavor i mean i think there's berry elements for sure but like if i were to call it something. I forgot the actual name, so I got to. Okay. Is that your final guess? I say it's a mixed berry sparkling water.

I don't know. I guess it's a LaCroix, but it seems like it has a lot of smell for a LaCroix. You're pretty much right, Tanner. It is a LaCroix Raz Cranberry, which is technically two berries. It's a mix of berries, so you're pretty much right yeah and you said raspberry smell right yeah well i did i didn't you know although cranberries are pretty specific

berry not maybe not generally included in the mixed berry family yeah you know i think mixed berries is what's probably usually raspberry blackberries and blueberries yeah that's what i think probably cranberry is maybe a little too specific to be lumped in in the mixed berry well but it's part of the berry family but technically speaking i think i was where berry is literally in the name we like our lacroix is hot and our beans cool and our berries mixed just simple things so flavor wise it's got a very big smell for a little it does and you know actually i would say almost even a big flavor for a look yeah it's delightful yeah it's pretty good i mean it's it's refreshing i give it the 3.5 that i was gonna say i'm gonna go 3.5 on this 3.5.

What a JD power and associates awards, or maybe a perfect, what, what, where would giving something too cool beans fit? Too cool. Yeah. Wow. You just turned this out there.

I don't know. That's not for us to think about. Two cool beans is good or bad though. It's the thing compared to 10 cool beans. Not that cool. That's true. But it is too cool beans. There's two cool beans is good or bad, though, is the thing. Compared to 10 cool beans, it's not that cool. Right, that's true. But it is two cool beans. There's no cool beans. We'll have to think about that one.

Yeah. We do have a guest today. That's Mr. Chad Wesley Smith. We're going to visit with him in a little bit here. Uh-huh. Before that, is the main thing we're going to talk about, is this big Mastinomics stimulus contest giveaway promotion? I think so.

You know, I did think, before we get into that, last week we said like three times that one of our discussion topics was something with Rogue and equipment, and we never got to it. So we should maybe do one little tiny piece of follow-up to that. Otherwise it just becomes completely un-relevant. And that was just, it looked like Rogue was trying to combat the people that were buying it. Basically the resellers. Yeah.

Trying to stop resellers. And so it looks like what they were starting to do. And not resellers in the sense that you're buying it like, I don't want this anymore. I'm going to see what I can get for it. No, it's like you've bought, it sounds like you can get flagged if they notice that you've bought a lot of things lately. And is it just if you bought a lot of things or are they doing research on think they're i heard they're doing research to see if you're listing on facebook marketplace that's what i heard just to stop people from jacking the prices up so much on the resale market for no reason yeah um i have seen like uh boneyard bars listed for resale at a

higher price than the actual actual bar costs yeah i've seen some of that stuff. Yeah. And I, okay. If it's your equipment and you're actually selling it, but if you're just purely jumping in line, right. I mean like, it's not, it's really annoying for people.

It really is really annoying. And like, there's a lot of cultures that this exists in. Like a big one is like sneakers, but I would say that that is purely a luxury item. Like there's no, right. A pair of Jordans.

It is purely, I mean, it's almost, it's almost to the point of jordans it is purely i mean it's almost it's almost to the point of almost like jewelry for guys but like for jordans nike is not going to discourage that like that's almost no they don't that is part of the thing that's why that's why they're very intentional right you see only certain colors right every five to ten years but that's but it's just very like you said that's part of the scene there yeah it's a very different thing we're here like we're talking about fitness equipment and like there is actual, like I don't think Rogue is artificially limiting their production. No, they're definitely not.

Which is what Nike does. Nike intentionally to drive up the demand puts production way, way, way down. You know, they're creating this artificial scarcity where I don't think Rogue is doing that. So then you do get people that are really coming in and while things are, while there is this pinch in supply right now um you get people that are making that pinch even

worse so i think it's fine that they're doing it they're probably earning some brownie points if nothing else with some customers saying like yeah good you should be sticking it to those people like screw those people i didn't get my bar last month like i wanted to because of that yeah well and they're only like hurting i mean they can't they're not helping the fitness scene or industry right no no they're letting people that actually want to be getting healthier ideally people that want to be healthier and better shape and all this um they're just stopping people from doing that just so they can make you know an extra 100 bucks on a bar or not a cool beans move very not cool beans like you get not cool beans move.

Not cool beans. Like you get zero cool beans. Yeah, cool beans are not being shared on that one. But Rogue, you know, I guess cool beans. Yeah, it's good on them. Stopping those people. All right, Tanner. So who, the real question.

So what's on the line tonight is a medium-sized check. If you're watching on our YouTube video, if you don't subscribe to our YouTube, this would be an excellent chance for you to go out and subscribe to our YouTube channel because you can see this medium-sized check on the video. And it's very medium-sized. We've said that before.

You might have to check on Instagram too if you haven't seen it, but it is in fact a medium-sized check. There's no way around that. And there is not a name written on this it but uh it is in fact a medium-sized check there's no way around that and there is not a name written on this yet and it is not endorsed but after today that will no longer be the case it will be it will be christened yes so yeah um by the time we're done here someone will have their uh someone we will have a name ready to go on that check etched in here in stone permanently yeah so the the contest it was

on our end it was a little you know we've only done one other contest ever yep and that was the jefferson deadlift show us your best jefferson deadlift it's a fairly straightforward contest that one was yeah and we didn't know you know doing that contest we thought okay if we get 10 people it's a smashing success right and i don't know what we get oh we had 50 maybe those yeah i think we had ended up with 50 and that was a ton of fun for us it was oh we were blown away by the what people like people just so far exceeded what i ever thought was absolutely yeah it was ever possible was just yeah so far exceeded anything we would have ever envisioned and so then we'd been talking a while how we wanted to do a contest and we were looking at the calendar and because the year is like flying by

we're like oh shit like we got to do one soon here yeah because we wanted to do maybe even another one before the year's over so right um the stimulus one came to be and this one wasn't quite the jefferson deadlift that's fairly simple you know you know you're doing a Jefferson deadlift of some kind. That's going to be the culmination of the video, regardless of what else you do along with it. What happens before and after. But there will be a Jefferson. This one was a little more open-ended.

Like, show us how you get stimulated for a big lift, which means that people do have to be a little more creative and take that on themselves a little bit more too. And so we weren't sure what type of reaction we would get. And the first thing that we saw, it was off to a little bit of too and so we weren't sure what type of reaction we would get and the the first thing that we saw it was off to a little bit of a slow start like the first two days for sure there was almost no one but there was a few people that said i'm gonna wait till the end yeah like the last one i got you know everyone had their good ideas at the end so we were holding out thinking

all right there's there's gonna be some things coming in and uh you guys did not disappoint because the last few days they flooded in there were some real heavy hitters that came in at the There's going to be some things coming in, and you guys did not disappoint. The last few days, they flooded in. There were some real heavy hitters that came in at the end there. Because for a while, I was like, oh, this is not going to be too hard. There's just a couple here that we know are in the running, and by the end of it, it got very difficult. We again had to have a pretty solid discussion, and there was some debating going on.

Oh, and it really was honest. Do we want to do the winner? No, no, no. i'm just saying who won the jefferson deadlift competition now that i'm thinking back who did we ultimately select as the winner was it it was uh home uh the lumberjack it was wasn't it yeah well we're no wait a second we picked 10 winners he was the grand prize winner though yeah that's it yeah there's a little bit we weren't giving away five we didn't have five hundred dollars yet so forget yeah yeah medium-sized check right um but that that that was hard this decision was equally as this decision was harder because we know the grand prize winner is getting five hundred dollars uh-huh so that's that's like a a tough it's that's actually where you have to think about it like oh man the people that did a really good job here and aren't going to get to win that like i feel bad for them

at this point it's like just like oh well we'll just give the other guy four hundred dollars we don't have that much money just giving away all the right but um no we the other people that are not the grand prize winner will also be getting massonomics apparel. So really you're all a winner in our book as long as you're in the top. We had said that we were going to do like five, uh, secondary winners that all would get some apparel, but I think we had to expand that because we did, we did decide. Yeah. We said that there would be, uh, um, a one grand prize winner, five winners. Uh, after looking at our sheet, we have expanded to about 10 and we're going to go over like the top 10. And we're kind of doing a grand prize,

still getting the medium sized check, of course, which is what people really wanted. And we're going to have to do a runner up that gets a little bit more than the rest of the people, because we really were torn between one and two. Yes, this did take quite a while. So hopefully these guys are listening and know that the winner understands how they just barely got it. And the second place also understands how they just barely missed it. And we didn't take it lightly. Oh, no, no. We did not.

We did. There was some conversation here. And then there still was like these eight more that we were like, well, these are all just right in the running. And that was the other thing. Those eight could have been almost interchanged. And so that's why we're like four. We can't limit it to just four. We got to break this open bigger.

So, all right. We are going to start these. four. We got to break this open bigger. So all right. We are going to start these. So outside the top two, these are in no particular order here. I'm just reading off my list. And the first one we're going to talk about. So these will be winners of apparel. These will be winners of apparel. And I will reach out to you and get that figured out.

We'll get in touch with you. But first one on the list here at Kodiak underscore bear, Cody Hoffman. And he had the spongebob reaction yes and uh it was quite quite the recreation on that one it was it was the one where uh spongebob the most popular part of it is bring it around town around town and it was like was literally a shot for shot recreation of that sponBob thing. A lot of people liked that one. And I think we did share all of these that are in the, that we're going to name here.

We did share that one. A lot of people commented on that, that they really liked it. So there's a lot of people that thought that should be the winner. Also worth mentioning, he is the one on the JDL competition that had all the bands and chains and the crazy crap. He was real close to being the grand yeah that was i think we could we we considered him getting second place in the jefferson so uh there's a few people here that are repeat making it and he's one of them so

yeah that was okay i didn't realize it was the same person he trains out of odd haugen's gym and oh okay yeah yeah because i remember talking about that like oh people want to get into odd how good yeah what's going on right he did good yeah that was uh that was a really really good one uh next one on the list at tie dot phrasey um i have listening to podcast lacroix from oven apple pie cool beans bowl and jefferson deadlift in the notes here yeah so he pulls the lacroix out of the oven and goes into his garage and he's got the bowl his chalk bowl but it's you know it's a cool whip but he takes over whip and it's beans yeah yeah so that was a good one cool beans did make a pretty strong appearance in a lot of these videos of course lacroix was hit on a lot hot lacroix even more specifically his extra

points for hot lacroix there's also points for like wearing something that has massonomics on it or having some massonomics featured in there jefferson deadlifts made it into this actually quite a bit too i can't remember if his was a jefferson or not but uh we have jefferson written okay so i'm assuming it was yeah yes uh but yeah his was a good one uh next on the list at that glass toe uh glass uh he had the 1 000 pound deadlift and uh i think he might have been the first person to have a video of a lot of people had videos where they were sniffing salts yeah he had a video sniffing deadlifter shorts yeah and that was good especially in the context they were provided of the of his partner saying i haven't washed him in three weeks right this was a well-made video and i enjoyed the

acting you know like the the conversation we were watching that right before we started here and i also like how he was like in each scene he was just like randomly in a different shirt and it was obviously the same scene but he was just wearing a different massadomic shirt yep so that that one was uh that was funny too uh next on the list the dot homan and uh ryan homan this guy knows how to put on a show with these videos there's no doubt about that i have a hard time imagining a contest video submission contest we put on in the future that he does not submit because i think he really enjoys it'd be in the top 10 right right so yeah the last time with the jefferson deadlift he had a very long uh video of cutting down trees building plates like these jefferson deadlifts out in the, which was so over the top and crazy. This one, he had the VIP lounge with his midget stripper with him.

Had the breakaway pants to reveal the speedo. Like, he had a lot going on in there. And it did make me realize that the Masonomics gym really needs a VIP lounge in it. He said he could help us out. You know, we're almost there. We have the TV in the corner. Well, what I was going to tell you is maybe there is a VIP lounge. And you just don't know. That could be could be it actually that wouldn't surprise me that would make it much more vip yeah i don't

know about it so he uh did not repeat as grand prize winner but he did repeat as a winner next on the list scantz won and uh not only did he have a bunch of different masonomics shirts on and he had to have what he might be had the record for most masonomics merchandise in a video yeah he he's also frequent actually this week he's he's the reigning first comment holder on uh youtube he seed out brandon james he's very accomplished in the mass. Right. For anyone that's unaware. But he went full dad mode in his video. Yes. Yelling at kids on his lawn, checking the thermostat, shutting the lights off and then wearing about 13 different mass. Throughout the process.

Isn't it funny? Like, I mean, do you remember getting yelled at for those things when you were little? Oh, yeah, I guess. I mean, I don't getting yelled at for those things when you were little? Oh, yeah, I guess. I mean, I don't know. Maybe like those things specifically. We're not trying to cool the whole neighborhood. Right. Oh, yes.

The thermostat. I think like the thermostat is one of the funniest dad things, but also like one of the truest, you know, like that's just. Yeah. Like dads do not like you touching the thermostat. No. And the lights on too. The lights on.

That's another big one. Yeah. A little PTSD with those. Yeah. like dads do not like you touching the thermostat no and the lights on too yeah that's the other big one yeah a little ptsd with those yeah uh next on the list i feel like this is one of the first ones that really kick-started uh kick-started a certain level of creativity in in the videos we saw and that was from get fit gen 24 yep and uh not only was she wearing a huge life shirt but she had a what's in the sack she sniffed an apple pie and she also ran through a quick overrated underrated session but you i i agree with what you said at the time of her doing it she was there was she was top she was top on the leaderboard and there were submissions and they were good yeah but this one brought in a whole level of massonomics yeah intricacies that sniffing the first one to involve an apple apple pies made many of these videos too she was the

first to do that i i really liked the overrated underrated and she was working out of a commercial gym too so managed to do all this without making like an incredible scene, but yet still not taking away from the integrity of the video. And also is probably the only woman in our, I think it was the only woman entered, wasn't it? I think you're right. We did have a couple of women in other videos. Yeah.

Yeah. But not the only enter entry in this contest. They mix our audience pretty well, doesn't it? About 1 in 10? 1 in 20? Next up, we have Mr. Swimhack, James Strickland himself. Never heard of him.

Not only does James have a lot of Masonomics gear, and not only is he a fan of the Masonomics podcast and has a pretty high record of first comments, but he put a pretty elaborate video together too. He did. And you're probably going to watch the whole thing.

Yeah. You know, he... Don't want to spill the beans, but he played me in the video. Yeah, I was going to say he played you in the video. Some people might not be able to tell that watching it, but... No, I could tell. He got into character really well and uh he had the little billy madison that part is really that part was really good because he he

had on his tape to his wall he had his his tally of all his first comments and then below that was all the massomics podcast supporting memberships and he crosses off the last one and then sits down and applies chapstick and that part was killer i love that part that he could have been steve buscemi's acting double yes that uh that one scene of his rivals up there with my favorite one scene of any of these you know like that's right up there that one particular part is really good yep that was really and i also he had one other thing that i really liked it was the lift shorts in the briefcase that was yes i'm like god yes i don't know why we don't just have one sitting out at all times well and was he the well no he's not the only one that incorporated

the shorts i guess but like he probably played up the lift shorts part of it the best out of all the submissions i think right yeah i think so because people are really hot on the apple pie and the cool beans you know as a little more a little more trendy massonomics uh yep pop culture but he he really hit the classic lift shorts part probably the best he did he did very well with it all right now oh no no okay we're not in the final so we have we have three left here um so the the last one, not making the, we're not in the runner-up yet, but the last one in the finalist section, we have Professor underscore Stephen. And he went full-on Stone Cold mode in the gym. One of my favorite lines, one of my favorite lines of the entire thing.

Ah, yes, there's another one. There you go. He said, can I get a cool beans? And he did it standing up on top of the bench like all stone cold. In the gym. And screamed it. Yeah. You know, can I get a hell?

Yeah. He said, can I get a cool beans? That was really funny. That's right up there with one of them. For individual parts of a video, that is also up there with the best of all the submissions. Can I get a cool beans? I also did like how, I'm trying to remember how it works out. for individual parts of a video that is also up there with the best of all the submissions i also did like how i'm trying to remember how it works out but like he's trying to use the bench or something some guy comes out of nowhere like wax him yeah and he falls to the ground and there's

a mcdonald's apple pie just right there yeah i i laughed pretty hard at that yeah that was good all right tanner lead this is this is what all the last two weeks have been leading up to yeah That was good. All right. Tanner. This is what all the last two weeks have been leading up to. Yeah. Our final two. The final matchup. And this is a powerhouse matchup. This is the matchup everyone wanted. Yeah.

Again, we've said it many times that we cannot understate that there was a lot of debate and discussion before we came to this. We're at peace with our decision here. We have no regrets about it. But this was something that took a lot of debate and discussion before we came to this. We're at peace with our decision here. We have no regrets about it, but this was something that took a lot of thought. The runner-up to the Masanomic Stimulus package, and we have sweetened the deal. The runner-up, you're not getting just one t-shirt. You're going to get an apparel package from us.

I mean, some people might say that's more valuable than the money. So we're announcing this on Instagram this week then too, right? Or are we going to wait to announce this when this comes out? That's a good question. Because there's really no surprise. They're like, well, we know you dummies. I don't know. We'll figure that part out later.

We'll figure that part out later. So the runner-up. Maybe my suspense is for now. Still, someone maybe is listening and doesn't know the runner-up of the massonomics stimulus package challenge is nate e561 that's nathan ekberg and man he put together uh what was that a little over two minute video yeah of just short movie just just the massonomics easter eggs and things just just not even sprinkled in just slathered in this thing it was great like start to finish it was easter yeah from uh you know get sitting at a kitchen table listening to the podcast putting together this massonomic

smoothie of a hot la croix out of the oven pulling out the cool beans and apple pie gets dumped in a handful of protein pulling the cool beans out of the freezer and out the cool beans and apple pie gets dumped in a handful of protein pulling the cool beans out of the freezer and cutting to a scene of uh yeah good hot rod yeah yeah making the smoothie drinking it cutting back to his garage where he does the sponsor pitch oh yeah he went through mentioned all four of our sponsors that's worth a lot of points um the best part of his though has got to be yes and this might have been the single best line of the entire contest this may have made me laugh the hardest out of one individual scene was he's looking at himself in the mirror and this is a voice you know it's it's he's not speaking it's he recorded voiceover

so you can tell it's his thoughts looking at himself in the mirror. And he says, you are not overrated. You are not overrated. And then he says, use your strength. Use your strength. While he's rubbing chocolate over his face. That was really good. And I remember when you're like, oh my, you text me.

Oh my God, look at the newest entry. And I remember the thing I sent you back was like, you are not overrated laughing so hard yeah so that was that was amazing and then yeah he goes on to do like a uh um two two dumbbells yeah two and a half so the whole build-up uh being that kind of anticlimactic good acting and that fit massonomics perfectly yeah it was it was really well done so n Nate, congratulations. You are the runner-up. We'll get you taken care of. Have all types of goodies headed your way.

And that leaves our champion. Us. The secret is we are giving it to us. We didn't tell anyone yet, but we did have a video come out today. So we're going to keep the money. Wouldn't that be funny? It's like the perfect plan. How far could we push the us being greedy thing until people actually get mad and like okay wait a second now people would feel burned a few people would

probably laugh about it but we're not we're not that bad right right right maybe one day but we're not that bad. Right, right, right. Maybe one day, but we're not there yet. So the winner of the first ever Masonomic stimulus package is at MostlySquatVideos. And his name is Matt. And Matt put together a banging Masonomic short film. That's very good. I mean, from like the music to the scenes, like to the videoing and the cutaway to arnold uh

yeah so his starts uh uh he's watching the massonomics podcast yeah and uh taking notes yeah taking notes what he needs to include in this video basically like notes of how to get strong like your druthers all of these things yeah and then from there, he goes into his training montage. And from snorting creatine to smelling salt, markers, shotgunning a can that has a piece of tape to it that says LaCroix. And just like the cutaway shots of him doing all this stuff. It was slick and it was produced really good. And then all of a sudden, it cuts to Arnold. Yes. cutaway shots of like him doing all this it was slick and it was produced really good and then it

all of a sudden it cuts to arnold yes yeah going through his like putting his boots on his boots on and all this stuff so it was just really funny and then again to uh to get to the end and to not overhead press the bar the bar yeah it sinks him to the ground yeah it was it was a really well done video he was wearing the 8-bit powerlifting shirt so yeah and that was the that was the first one that really kicked this whole thing and for me into like whoa yeah this is the the level really got upped here yeah and there's not just there's a lot of factors we had to weigh to decide the winner but part of it was he he did kind of jump out in front too which was, I don't, that's not the reason he won, but that's just an additional factor to weigh in.

It felt like he was a little bit of a trendsetter. Right. I mean, the other guys, all of these other videos, from all we know, they were filmed first. Right. This one was posted first, and it was just like, oh, man, all these funny ideas in here. Yeah, yeah. It was just, it was really, really, really well done. So he is going to have his name, as of right now it's just Matt, is going to go right here on the pay to the order of

this medium-sized $500 check. I guess we're going to sign it down right there. And we're going to send... Medium-sized endorsement on there? Yeah, send this out to him and he is going to be upset to find out that we're not sending him a real check. It is just going to be this, but... I suppose we'll

include some money yeah i guess so yeah so congratulations matt and thank you to actually congratulations all the winners yeah congratulations to all everyone that entered like everyone is a win nobody lost like we are all winners they were all good and uh we did we did put together a bit of a montage video of a lot of the lifts that i'm assuming is out by now right yeah yeah I think so yes and we just we have so much fun watching things like this because the fact that the fact that when I watch these things that people find joy and like take part in these inside jokes and some of them are inside jokes that you guys almost make them inside jokes like we say a few times and then someone else takes it and runs with it and now people are laughing about it it's like and

then we talk about it the next day and we're like, hey, people are really talking about that apple pie thing. You know, it's like, yeah, that apple pie thing is funny. We should talk about that more. Yes. And that's what's so awesome is like there is like some community around this. And it's just really cool to see people respond and have fun with it. And, you know, I'm glad that we can all have a good time with all this.

It makes me really happy to see that stuff. Yeah, for sure. It is really fun to watch. It makes me really happy to see that stuff. Yeah, for sure. It is really fun to watch these things. So thank you to everyone that entered. Congratulations to the people that won. We'll have some gear and good stuff coming your way. And be on the lookout for the next one of these. Yeah.

We got more things coming. If you thought this check was medium-sized, just wait until I see how the next one's going to be extra medium. Let's just say 2020 might shape up to be a pretty solid year after all after all said and done should we read some sponsor standard let's do the sponsor thing today's show is brought to you by lifting large lifting large sets the new standard for customer service within the strength world get email responses in hours not. They now have live website chat support available during the weekdays so you can get advice from a real power lifter with actual platform experience. The Lifting Large team wants to help you achieve new PRs in the gym and on the competition stage. When you're ready to try single ply and make your way to the dark side, give them

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Wow. Now should we try to get Mr. Smith on the horn? Shall we? Here we go. Are you ringing yet? Tanner? We're going now.

Should be. Anything? Anything? Anything? Chad, can you hear us? Yes, I can. All right, excellent. The old plug trick. Yeah, yeah.

I guess you have to plug it all the way into the phone first. Chad, you are live on the Mastanomics podcast. We are extremely excited to have you on here today. This is Tanner, and then Tommy's here with me as well. How are you doing, Chad? Pretty good, gentlemen. How about yourselves? We're doing great.

We're great. You know, I don't know how much you know about Massanomics and the Massanomics podcast, but everything that we do is extremely serious. And you can expect that a lot of the topics we want to visit with you today will be in that same vein. All right. I expect nothing less. And I know you have, first thing I'm wondering, you have your beers with Chad, one of your podcasts. Occasionally. Yes, yes, yes.

That's something I do want to ask you about is where that's headed. But more importantly, you have your beers with Chad. We have a segment of our own podcast that we call What's in the Can. And we do not drink really beer. Occasionally we have beer, but it's mostly sparkling waters, various sparkling waters that we test out. LaCroix, Bubbly, Waterloo, Kirkland brand sparkling waters. And we do this every week.

I'm really curious where you would weigh in on the sparkling water game. You know, Marissa is the sparkling water aficionado in this house. I think the one that we buy the most is the Vons Signature brand, which used to be called Refreshy, but now I think they just call it Seltzer Water. Really? Yeah. Very creative name. Raspberry or orange flavored at the top of the list, typically.

That must be a regional thing because that's a new brand to us. Is Vaughn's Pavilions grocery store, you guys have that there? That's the same. Nopeavilions grocery store you guys have that there same that's the same nope never heard of it um that that does that sparkling water you mentioned though does have a fancy ring to it though and that's half of the battle in the sparkling water game is just coming across as fancy yeah i think that that is one of the keys yeah um no so that is kind of one thing i wanted to ask you about is beers with chad or more specifically the the jug life podcast i notice you haven't haven't done that as much anymore i assume it's maybe not as much of a priority at this point in time would be my guess

why that is but i'm curious um where those are at or where those are headed for you yeah so the jug life uh well part of it is with the pandemic i really only i like to do the podcasts in person right we almost always did them in person um you know once when max moved back to oakland that right right off the bat made it a bit tougher uh so we had started like batching the episodes for the jug life where you know max would come down here for a week and we were would record five or six episodes or something and whenever we'd be at events like you know national level powerlifting or weightlifting meets um and we could get in a handful of episodes in a couple of days, we would do that.

But I prefer for myself to do the episodes in person and not being able to travel and do that kind of thing. Lately with this whole thing that's going on, has sort of put the kibosh on that. And I sort of got to theibosh on that. And I, I sort of got to the point too, where it was like, well,

you know, I could ask this person how they like to do their squats. And I had already heard that. Right. I mean, other people, I was sort of bored of, of asking people about it,

whether people were bored of hearing about it. I can't really speak to that, but I wasn't as concerned with if other people were bored of it or not since I was. So we're, you know, we do it in a more sport performance stuff or whatever, but yeah,

it's just kind of the other part of it for me is I have a, some may call it elitist attitude. I call it selective. There's a lot of people who, I can't speak to, not to impugn any of your guests. No, you can impugn them as much as you want. You're the only one today. That's old news now. But I would see these people that they have on podcasts.

And the list of people that I respect as lifters, coaches, people is not extremely long. I'm kind of like, well, do I want to have Dr. Mike on the podcast for a seventh time in a row? Um, so, so that was, that was part of it. The beers with Chad one, I was on a roll at the start of that with, uh, with, at the start of a COVID probably cause I was drinking way too much beer. Well, it's not quite the same if I don't drink the beer. way too much beer well it's not quite the same if i don't drink the beer uh but but that one is is actually uh you know marissa and i were just talking about that right before before this that something i'd like to do and like to be consistent about and we'll just a lot of it will be outside of the the realm of the juggernaut brand and much more into the you know i guess chad wesley smith brand because

um you know with with the same the same issues as as i mentioned with with the jug life that you know there's just not that many you know i'm just not that interested in asking people over and over well tell me about how you train, whether it's powerlifting or weightlifting, but you know, just getting into other stuff for me, which would be, yeah, you know, some lifting stuff and talking to strength coaches and sport performance coaches and then, you know, jujitsu competitors and coaches as well as like regular sports, football, basketball, like kind of sports talk type of stuff i i really enjoy

that and then even into the business and investing and technology and pop culture entertainment so it's it's you know i want i want to ramp that up and start doing it it's just kind of coming you know just for me kind of dealing with the idea of like all right well this is it's just kind of coming, you know, just for me kind of dealing with the idea of like, all right, well, this is going to be its own thing that's separate from Juggernaut, where previously everything I did or tried to do was all sort of in service of driving the Juggernaut brand. But, you know, that's doing well for itself. So I feel like I can kind of do things that are tangential to it at this point well tanner i guess this uh it's kind of an awkward time to save we're in this for the next 30 minutes asking you in-depth questions about programming i can have to really rethink our questions on our entire entire strategy here no that's actually

good that you said that though ch Chad, because we, if anyone's listening to these episodes lately, they would know that our guests, as much as they all tend to have the thing in common of they lift, we spend almost no time talking to them about lifting. You're in the right place, I guess, for right now. That's perfect, because I

barely lift anymore. It still counts. I can tell you about what I barely lift anymore. It still counts. I can tell you about what I used to do. Well, as I was going to say, you used to bench a lot in high school, I would assume. Yes. So your podcast feed that you have now, you see going forward, though, that that would be more of the track of the beers with Chad. You could see doing that more possibly, but not so much.

I mean, with Max having moved, would that continue to exist at all, do you think, or not necessarily at this point? You know, it's hard to say. Max and one of our other weightlifting coaches, Zach Tellender, they do their Training Make podcast, which is more geared towards weightlifting. I don't foresee myself doing a weekly podcast dedicated to powerlifting. Now, may I facilitate that for someone else to do through the Juggernaut brand? Possibly, probably.

that for someone else to do through the juggernaut brand uh possibly probably i mean that's still a you know the biggest part of our of our brand is powerlifting coaching um and and powerlifting content that's just for me specifically not what i have uh an interest in continuing to do like i feel like i do the same podcast over and over, you know, that I don't see any drastic changes coming in, in, you know, how to lift more weights than before. Um, so that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. That, that, uh, kind of what you're talking about there brings up another thing i wondered you know you through juggernaut you do a lot of different things you know this podcasting part has been one arm of it of course your youtube you've you know the the pbs of of fitness youtube i believe you you've been called uh authoring books i've read the scientific principles of

strength training i i love that book I've recommended it to people before. You're coaching individual athletes, the AI coaching, everything else that you do there. I mean, selling apparel and all the, you know, running the actual business.

And you talked about not being as interested in the podcast side of it. I just kind of wonder how you balance your time amongst all those different arms of your business. Do you, do you go with, at this point with the business being established where it's at, do you try to focus on what interests you the most? What makes you the most money? What, what's just the funnest to you or how do you look at that usually? I mean, you know, you gotta take care of, take care of business first.

So that's, that's you know, what's going to drive the revenue for Juggernaut, which at this point, our main business is the AI coaching. We've been working endlessly on an app for it, which I can get into a little bit of the longer. I'll tell the longer story in a quick way. So when we first started working on the app for it, October 2018, with an Indian company who told us like, yeah, you know, six months, we're going to have this ready, particularly because it was a pivot of an app that Garrett Blevins, my Juggernaut AI co-creator, had already been working on. So a lot of things were already done about it. And then we realized that they just couldn't do it right.

They couldn't build the app that created the programs in the way in which I intended for them to be created. So after we got 12 to 14 months down the road after their initial six-month estimate, and I had already made one of the greatest regrets of my life in saying, hey, we're going to have an app that comes out in six months, so everyone get ready for it. I remember when I said six months to Nick Shaw, the CEO of RP, he was like, oh yeah, they told us six months too. And I wish I had headed of his advice. Should have listened to him.

So then once that company proved incompetent will be the word and be able to build it, then we're like, let's see what an American company would do.

And anyone who's familiar with app development knows that that also means a much higher cost. So as we got into that, we had two companies just say, no, we can't or won't try and build what this is. That's apparently a lot more complex than normal apps are. And then a third company caught us at $950,000. Round it up to a million. Just a month or two of revenue, right?

Yeah, which was a bit more than we were looking to spend. But finally came about a developer who could do it for an affordable number. Not a low number, but not a... Didn't have seven digits at least. Not an advanced in mortgage either. So we have people who are using a working prototype of it right now so you know that that's probably my biggest efforts right now go towards the development of that making sure it is it is the absolute best thing that uh that we can have and that it you know fulfills

my goal of delivering principle principle-based coaching coaching to as many people as possible, that it's writing the programs that I would write if I had the time, energy, mental resources to write the most individualized program possible for thousands and thousands of people. individualized program possible for thousands and thousands of people. Uh, so, so that's something that, you know, is an overlap of something that I enjoy as the mental challenge of it, as well as, um, you know, a big part of our, part of our business. And then beyond that, it's kind of figuring out, uh, you know, how to get more people using it because, so through, you know how to get more people using it because so through you know through content and used to be events but you know those aren't really allowed anymore so yeah so yeah i mean that that's that's the the main stuff as far as my own coaching i i actually only personally coach right now uh maybe like six six people um

and two of them i think the only power lifters that i actually write the program for right now are marissa and andy huang that uh some of my other people are they're using the ai system themselves like kristen dunsmore and Maddie Forberg. And then I have two U.S. Olympians in the bobsled that I coach, an Olympian for Greece in the shot put, and the number one ranked U.S. hammer thrower. And then some jiu-jitsu guys as well. But yeah was just kind of doing the sport performance coaching is a bit more of an interesting challenge to me at, at this point. And, and I feel like the AI is writing as good or better programs than,

than I can. So it's, uh, it's doing its thing for, for my power lifters. So can we expect a bobsled specific training app in the next six months? Out of everything you said there, I, all I could think about was a bobsled specific training app in the next six months? Out of everything you said there, all I could think about was the bobsled thing and was just waiting to be able to ask a question about that. Bobsled is a very

interesting in that it is so like more or less all being a great bobsledder is what they're looking for is the biggest, fastest person they can find. Well, we've seen cool running, so we know how this works. What I really want to know is with your training, how is this U.S. team going to stack up against one of the greatest bobsled teams of all time,

the 94 Jamaican team or whatever that would have been? I think that was 88. Yeah, we should do pretty well. If you want to pop on Instagram and see one of the guys that I coach who's one of the

freakiest athletes you've ever seen, a guy named Blaine McConnell. He's about uh 6 1 230 with like a 43 inch vertical and 200 kilo clean 155 kilo snatch uh he's he's a pretty explosive guy so yeah that's been fun uh getting to work with the bobsled guys. Cool. You mentioned you're coaching maybe just a handful of powerlifters at this point in time, and you moved on to other things, not competing yourself.

What I wonder is, do you feel like you, in that particular sport, have you lost any of your interest in it or diminished some of that interest with not competing yourself anymore and and just being more involved in other things is it just as interesting as it was to you at one point in time or has that gone down do you think you know i have a great interest in helping the lifters that i coach succeed you know the most satisfying thing i've ever done in, in powerlifting is, you know, coaching Marissa to world championship and, and all-time total world record, uh, the 2017 Arnold and then 2017 IPF worlds, uh, more so than any of my, my own accomplishments. So helping her succeed is, is, you know, and do what she wants to do in the in the sport is something i'm very

interested in and sorry so uh i'm very interested in and passionate about uh as far as like being a a fan of the sport of powerlifting uh i don't really follow it at all yeah i think that's fair you know that's what i yeah i i see a lot of powerlifters every day on Instagram with the hashtag ChadBot at the end. I'm very excited every day to repost their PRs and celebrate that. But the last powerlifter I was at was this year's Arnold, which I guess was like six months ago, but seems like about 10 years ago. ever when was the last time the last powerlifting meet i was at was this year's arnold which i guess is like six months ago but seems like about 10 years

and there was definitely like people who were extremely strong and i was like oh who is that person yeah yeah right yeah but i think that's kind of just the nature of powerlifting now too, is that it's, it's grown so fast that you get, you know, extremely strong lifters coming out of nowhere a little bit. There's not just 12 people to be interested in anymore. Yeah. Right. Okay. Um, really serious question question here. We, we do a bit of memeing over here at massonomics we've made a fair share of memes in the past and we've done some that have involved you over time one of them uh that particularly stuck out to me in memory as we were getting ready for this episode

is one we've done with louis simmons body with your head with your head on it uh a wondering yeah yes so do you have do you remember having seen that at any point in time i i can't unsee it okay okay great that was the right answer so that's kind of a i was wondering yeah i was wondering what your general feel was on that and i kind of get that but this leads into my next question would you rather fight uh being with a louis simmons body and a chad smith head or a being with a chad wesley smith body and a louis simmons head uh so the the head contains the the brain of the head brain yes correct the brain yes that is uh worth worth considering for sure. An important note.

I think I'd go with, well, the brain is what would contain the fighting acumen. I am now a two-stripe Brazilian jiu-jitsu blue belt. But you'd have to be in an old man's... Part of a lot of technique. You would have to be in Louis Simmons' broken body. Does he... Does this preacher have

ready access to a reverse hyper? If he was to become injured during the fight, he could go and reverse hyper a few times and regenerate himself a la Wolverine. I think he just might have solved this riddle.

Yeah. We'll assume a reverse. Yeah, one of those two gets the reverse hyper. I'm not sure. I guess if you're the Louie Simmons body, you get the reverse hyper, yeah. two gets the reverse hyper. I'm not sure. I guess if you're the Louis Simmons body, you get the reverse hyper. Does the Louis Simmons body come with any assortment of boards, bands, or chains to be used as weapons?

Yes, I suppose it does, whereas the other one, all you have is boat shoes. Yeah, your boat shoes and your tool belt with the seven scientific principles of strength training. You can use specificity and overload and I don't know what those do in the active fight.

Yeah, I mean, I guess in this situation where he is equipped with an array of devices and weapons, I could be fashioning using some blue bands to set up a slingshot when I'm launching boards at people. With the amount of band tension, I could have a circa maximal flinch shot going on. That's pretty medieval

sounding. I don't know if we'll ever know the real answer to that. I mean, some Frankenstein scientists would have to help us out to really get to the bottom of it, but I think that's all good logic to get to the end of it. Chad, we do play a game with every guest. It's called Overrated Underrated.

And if you are down, we would like to play it with you. We go through just a short series of topics. We've got four of them that we hand-selected for you. So this is the special Chad Wesley Smith version of overrated underrated. And you've got your druthers with the answer. You can't ride the line on each topic. You do have to come up with an answer of overrated underrated, but you've got your druthers in the sense that you can elaborate on your

answer as much or as little as you would like to. All right. Lay it on me. Okay. All right. All right. So let me get to my... We've got an important list here.

Topic number one, overrated or underrated? The Last Dance documentary. Oh. I mean, I guess I have to say underrated, even though I, I guess I have to say underrated, even though I feel like people properly celebrate it, but I don't want it to come across that.

I think that it was left man in any way. So I'll say underrated. It was phenomenal. It took me back to, uh, you know, Saturday mornings as like a nine year old watching NBA inside stuff. Uh, and then watching that for 30 minutes and then watching NBA on NBC. And then having my Nerf hoop on the door and trying to do the coolest dunks that my eight-year-old body in which my mom

had to shop in the Husky could possibly do. Yeah, but you do say underrated then. Yeah, I'll go with underrated. It's definitely not overrated. Right, right. We're all about the same age and I was a big basketball fan at that point in time too. Were you a Bulls

fan at that point in time or did you follow some other team more closely yeah I mean I think like many uh children they're just front runners so yeah I was definitely rooting for the rooting for the Bulls the you know the Lakers through the 90s sucked the Clippers always sucked but you know the last couple years so so yeah though I would have gone rooting for the Bulls as a team and then if like one individual player that really stood out would have been the rain man oh Sean Kemp I love Sean Kemp and that's well I did not like the Bulls I was very anti-Bulls just because everyone of my friends liked them. I was a big Sonics fan at the time. I really liked Orlando and Shaq when they were going against them. The Rain Man at that point in time was so cool. The Sonics were

of course not the team that the Bulls were, but they were the coolest team in the NBA for a few years, I think. I like the Sonics. Those Magic teams were great. Have you watched the 30 for 30, this magic moment? Yes, yes, it's good. Topic number two, overrated or underrated, 40-yard dash times? Overrated. Hugely overrated as both a tool to measure football performance and,

you know, having coached them quite a bit of NFL combine coaching and preparing athletes for that, including this year's number one, overall draft pick Joe, big, big Dick Joe. I call him little,

little hands, Joe, little hands, Joe burrow. Yeah. The 40 hour dash times at the combine, Big Dick Joe. I call him Little Hands Joe. Little Hands Joe Burrow. The 40-yard dash times at the combine. The whole combine process is just kind of I haven't yet to be able to discern a pattern of what they're getting for that time that they put on TV, besides that every team has their own scout sitting in the stands hand timing it.

And that's the time that that team actually goes off of. And I'm not sure how accurate, you know, a 60-year-old white guy sitting 50 yards away. Very. Yeah. Just shockingly accurate. Yes. There's a reason they're in that position. Yeah.

There's a reason they're in that position. From my experience at the Combine, I can assure you that that old white guy whose timing is definitely hungover. Hugely overrated. Topic number three, overrated or underrated? The UFC. The UFC? I guess I'll go...

I mean, I enjoy the UFC very much, so I guess I'll have to say underrated. We have two really high-level UFC fighters and one, Bellator, who trained at our jiu-jitsu school, coached by our head coach, and, you know, kicking just like practicing leg kicks on this bag. And I'm downstairs like wincing for the inanimate object that is the bag from just hearing his shin striking this over and over. And I'd be on there, you know, training for hour, hour and a half. And when we get there, TJ is practicing takedowns. And when we leave, he's practicing the same takedown.

Hour and a half, two hours straight of just nonstop, constant movement. So those guys are amazing, very impressive athletes. Fair enough. Last topic, and we always finish with a really hard hitter. This is probably the most important one this is the make or break one overrated or underrated heavyweights the movie underrated of course yeah um yeah though easy answer yeah though it did send goldberg down a terrible path do you think that that was the spark that started all of that?

He has had serious issues, hasn't he? Are you not familiar with the film Heavy Ducks? Oh yes, I am aware. When Tony Perkis pushed weight loss drugs on those poor kids and then got the D2 team on that doping program so they could eventually do Iceland. I think it's a terrible thing to do that to young kids like that. Heavyweights is incredible. It's kind of weird when you think about it as like a Disney movie.

It's so weird. Yeah, when you go back and watch it as an adult, and that's what a lot of Disney movies are. That's true. I feel like Disney in the 90s was a weird Disney, though. You know, like they didn't quite have Pixar. Like Pixar was still coming around, so they were trying to figure out where they were at,

and Tony Perkis was that middle ground. Yeah, and Judd Apatow is the director which is also crazy yeah and I feel like I listened to one of them either Apatow or Ben Stiller on a podcast and they they talked about this and it was like you know Disney had just some kind of holding deal for, for Ben Stiller. And then like, they kind of had to let him make this a movie and this is what he wanted to make. And he had to do this in order to do some, some other project for them.

I don't know, but it seemed like it came about very much as like an accident and Disney didn't really know what it was getting itself into, but I think it worked out well for all mankind yeah thank God I was allowed to happen would be a bad word without it yeah it's pretty particularly as a you know a kid who shopped in the in the Huskies I think it resonated that much more with me. It was like, yes, I can finally see myself on the screen.

You related to them taping salamis to their backs and smoking them. It's a classic movie, though. Yes. Yeah. Okay, so that wraps up Overrated and Underrated. As I'm thinking, I did just have one. That usually wraps up our interview, but I did just have one other question. You being a big sports fan and being a coach of many great powerlifters,

it's a topic that Tommy and I recently talked about last week. Have you watched this season of Hard Knocks at all, the first couple episodes? I have. Okay, so Aaron Donald, very good player for the Rams there just looks like an absolute freak maybe the best player in the NFL arguably right now imagine a world where powerlifting was important and where and where it paid people more than other sports and Aaron Donald would powerlift he would have the reason and desire and drive to do that.

And you could coach him in, say, just six months. This is obviously very fictitious. What would you guess he could lift on the three lifts with just six months of training and power lifting? So for Aaron Donald specifically, I've gotten to see him train up at the Mamba. Well, it was called the Mamba Sports Academy. Now just the Sports Academy in Thousand Oaks. That's who I coached combine prep through. So he'd been up there training.

I've seen him bench 500 pounds. And then prior to that, when he was at University of Pittsburgh, I know James Smith very well, who was coaching at Pittsburgh at the same time. So I have known of Aaron Donald since he was in college as this just freakish athlete, freakish lifter. So I think with six months of dedicated powerlifting training, mind you that Aaron Donald played last season. He only weighs about 265. That's crazy. Yeah, super light for a defensive tackle.

So if we're putting Aaron Donald, is he lifting in the USAPL or is he lifting in the... Well, that brings up another question. But yeah, we'll say just for six months if he's lifting in the usa pl so basically what he could do with his his his relative strength right now with just a little bit of fine tuning yeah all right so we've got 120 kilo class aaron donald uh i'd put it you know probably squat 350 kilos like 770 he doesn't really squat hard now but in college he was was very strong there like high 600s um so yeah i think probably 770 squat 550 bench and yeah but i bet 800 pounds in the deadlift. He was just so explosive, relatively long arms. So a 2,000 plus total with no real training and in a drug tested federation somewhere in that ballpark would be probably a reasonable guess I would agree to.

Yeah, I think if we took that out to a year or two years or something, you know, you guys remember when, when Ray Williams used to only squat 900 pounds, that's what it would be like. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be like, Oh yeah, this is really strong. And then, you know, two years of dedicated training and it was like, Oh my God, what just, just happened? This isn't a human. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sort of lifting cyborg. It's hard. Sometimes you you get if you get hyper focused on like this pool of uh power lifters or strong men or people that compete in these sports and you forget about these people that are maybe like aaron donald or someone like that where if they

had a reason to do these things just how impressive they muscle, actually. How impressive they could be. I met Leroy Glover at the Combine. You remember him? Yes, yes. When they used to have that strongest man competition at the Pro Bowl where they did two-point type reference. And Larry Allen killed everyone. I was just going to say Larry Allen is a great example of people that are just freaks, you know,

that could have done ridiculous stuff. Yeah. Like, Larry Allen's a, you know, 1,100-pound squatter, 800-pound bencher, 900-pound deadlifter if he does powerlifting. Right. But Leroy Glover kind of took the mantle from him as strongest NFL player and was, you know, every year, 45, 50 reps of 225. Um, I'm, you know, he's been retired for however long now he's the D D line coach for the chargers. I would have put Leroy Glover at probably six, four, 350 pounds, which is a huge man, but I've weighed 375 pounds before and you know all i got the combine was

300 maybe yeah 300 305 somewhere in that in that range like six one his shoulders i felt like were twice as wide as mine and we're talking to, talking to him about, you know, lifting when he was in the league and he's like, I had inclined bench four or five for 10 and just wild, wild. Yeah. There's, there's some freaky, some freaky people out there.

Yeah, no doubt about it. Well, Chad, we appreciate you taking a little time with us. We were excited to have you on here. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. Yeah, my pleasure, guys.

Is there anything in particular? I mean, we talked about the AI coaching. I mean, it's hard not to find juggernaut if you're looking for it, I would say. But anything else in particular that people should check out if they're after you? No, that stuff, yeah, at Chad Wesley-Smithith at juggernaut training juggernaut training systems youtube uh you know if they have a question about lifting i probably made a video about it they may have to do a little bit of searching but uh i'm i'm sure it's there unless you have a really weird or dumb question then maybe i have

but yeah is there could you make a video about the uh louis simmons body chad lizley smith head thing like a series on potentially i did i did make a beers with chad in which i made a absurdly in-depth analysis of the you know the reddit question of like would you rather fight yeah the ducks thing yeah Which I don't know if you wasted your time listening to. I've listened to it, yes. I think I explore every possible angle of that. And maybe I'll go down this same road. Because people, they want to throw these questions out there

without really outlining all of the implications. Well, and you start throwing in the variables of the reverse hyper and I mean, just the possibilities are endless. Yeah. It's similar to the process of making a juggernaut AI is you just have to ask every possible question and analyze every possible variable. Yeah. And be willing to spend all the possible money yeah even if it's dealing with with you know human hybrids right right right

alright well thank you Chad we appreciate it thanks Chad have a good one see ya two words Tommy what do you categorize that interview if you could boil that whole thing into two words what do you say cool beans cool beans definitely cool beans oh that was cool though i i just i forget how deep chad's actual like

like sports performance knowledge is like he's not just a power lifting guy no and even less so the as time goes on more and more i say that we kind of talked about that too that that gets to be less and less a piece of the pie for him i think well and so few people that coach specifically in the bubble were in that coach you know most people are coaching strength specifically power lifting strength yeah and chad he's for the most part coaching strength, but it's strength across powerlifting, weightlifting, bobsledding, I mean, football, like he's coaching strength across a lot of different things. So that's someone that's seen a lot of stuff and understands, I think, how to get strong and how to stay strong,

how to use your strength, all three, really. I think he knows the triad i think he does uh but you know we he would be someone you could like you could get into depth a lot of those questions that's obviously not this isn't the time or place that we're going to do that but i i'm more interested in the things we asked him like the oh yeah and i think i think we asked the important questions yeah Yeah. How strong could Aaron Donald be? Like, that's what people want to know. Yeah, that's really cool to talk about. Like, because he has a better perspective on that than most of the people that have been around Aaron Donald

because those people haven't, like, pushed strength to the peak or understand what peak strength can and does look like. Yep, yep, for sure. So he has a very unique perspective in that way that he's around people that are freaks not just in the powerlifting world and it's good to hear his you know probably expert opinion is probably not unsimilar to what we kind of you know our very unexpert opinion of just watching aaron donald a little bit it's like yeah that guy would be the best you know uh-huh yeah he would be really good yep No doubt. All right.

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