Massenomics Podcast - Ep.70: Julien Pineau and Richard Aceves of Strongfit

Episode Date: August 6, 2017

This week, Tyler sat down with Julien Pineau and Richard Aceves of StrongFit to discuss what he had learned thus far after attending the StrongFit Seminar and Coaches Week. Basically, Tyler's athletic abilities were comically awful, but Julien says there may still be hope for him!  Julien and Richard are working to develop the CrossFit training methodology into a more sustainable, movement-based methodology in hopes of avoiding the common injuries and pitfalls that continue to derail competitive CrossFitters. Their goal of sustainable, logical fitness training for the average Joe is something that we here at Massenomics can definitely get behind. Listen to it in audio format below.. You can also watch this episode in full color video... If you don't already have a closet full of Massenomics gear, go to the MASSENOMICS STORE and load up on swag... Also, please CLICK THIS LINK TO GIVE US A 5 STAR RATING ON ITUNES... Click this text to follow Massenomics on Instagram... Vote Massenomics for President in 2020.. Have your barber shave our logo into the side of your head.. Maybe get a Massenomics tattoo while you're at it.    Or you could sign up for our email newsletter at the bottom of this page. Stay Strong, M

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Is that your? I feel like you should have brought tape measure so we could just. Do that on camera. Have a lat off. It is fucking hot. Have a lat off. It is hot.

I told you we should have gone to the kitchen. Nobody listens to me. We all know. It's too late. Alright guys, welcome to the Massanonics podcast I am joined here in Minneapolis Minnesota to my right is Richard Aceves and across the way is Julian Pineau collectively they are strong fit. I have spent the last what has it been now six days with doing the we doing the seminar over the last weekend.

And then we're in the midst of the coaches week this week, which has been a pretty eye-opening with my lack of athleticism. And internal torque. And all of the things that I don't know. He has internal torque. He has no external torque. Honestly, I don't think I have torque. Well, you had external torque on the sandbag today. I can tell you that. I do want to start with where we left off.

Last time we heard from Julian, which was we were in Encinitas, California. Yes, we were. I feel like I was about the luckiest person in the world. Richard had lined up. Julian was coming back in from Canada, had made it into the United States for about an hour, had this teeny little narrow window. You guys were generous enough to line all that up.

And then Julian comes to pull up to park in front of my Airbnb, and there's a fucking parade in town. So out of the blue, there's nowhere to park. That's awesome. At all. And so Julian pulls up, and he's like, of out of the blue there's nowhere to park that's awesome at all and so julian pulls up he's like oh i'll go find somewhere and it's what half hour before you get back yeah yeah so i found a place to park and yeah the car stayed there for a while let's put it this way and and it was a truck which me from the midwest i go well don't you don't you have four-wheel drive right no he said no apparently in california don't you have four-wheel drive right no apparently in California you don't need four-wheel drive because it never

knows I did that time but yeah so we got I got stuck so last time we left we had to go out and we kind of I kind of thought it was gonna be like oh a fun little we'll just rock it out of there but it was like fuck yeah fuck I said I don't think I've ever seen a truck that buried not in snow it was like florida or something why'd you get no no because i had to find um i parked it in a place and i couldn't backtrack so i went forward but then it was in the dark because it's at nighttime right and we were in those kind of weird uh it was like flower bed oh yeah yeah the sand dunes so this you know and it was like seaweed on the ground you know it was really weird rubbery and so like the truck got pinwheeled and then the the wheel started spinning

and then there was not coming out of it like he was not moving so we had to rock back in force go backwards i couldn't go up the hill so we have to go i mean yeah that took an hour that was a whole thing so awesome for a second there was second there, I was like, shit. Yeah, you were like, this one little quick, maybe not so inconvenient stop off turned into like a whole night burner. I had to save five minutes on the parking and then I lost about an hour and a half. Yeah. So anyway, thanks for joining us that last time, even though that turned out to be a whole bunch of shit. But let's talk about this week I got to have my first actual experience of doing the

sled right yes I had always messed around with it and never got like the so it's load the intensity like all of that stuff we tinkered with it and sometimes it was too light and you go maybe it wasn't too late we just weren't going hard enough yeah it's always just go faster yeah he put more weight on this and so then we put way more weight you know we've we've done the sled with you know 400 pounds but then you're you're doing it yeah you're doing a totally different thing too yeah and i never had like an awesome time doing the sled but when we did it we did all this other first it was what was it we did some bag carry we did some yeah it was a this other shit first. It was, what was it? We did some bag carry.

We did some drags. The rope pulls. And the rope pulls. So I already was like sick and sort of terrified. And then we all line up the sleds and I was like, oh, fuck. The good thing was like five people went before you. So you had the time to get really nervous about it. Yeah, yeah.

I could see you getting confidence as they went. It was great. Also, though, I was i was like i was really really tired still how did you feel among those skinny people though awful because you're like eight inches about 100 pounds heavier than everybody yeah it was uh like it well that's what i'm used to at crossfit for sure though like that's uh but that thing i got going on it aside from and the fit people dying in front of you did not make you feel yeah because i told julian ahead of time i said you know if i just sprinted if we left the sled here and i sprinted to that stop sign and back all out like i'm not making that yeah it's like i'm not making it man yeah like that fucked my whole world up can we just do that and the

answer was no no but uh he's pushing you have something to hold on to so i could lean on it so i got going and i well good on the first part i yeah i got that first way out and i was like those seven seconds man i thought i went i said jesus like maybe this is a body weight thing like maybe i'm just a ringer or you get into it like maybe i'm some sort of sled pushing savant exactly that was on the way there though and then it was another thing on the way back but i'm dead serious that that crossed my mind as i'm going not so bad this is pretty easy yeah famous last time i get almost to the end and i swear to god that sled just started like digging in to the concrete as it might might not be putting the brakes on this Did you just add weight when I wasn't looking or something?

But then I have this awful, awful feeling like your whole body is just on fire. Everything sucks. All you want to do is stop. And I'm thinking pretty hard about stopping. And then I see out of the corner of my eye, Julian comes. I won't even use the word walking towards me. He's like lurking. I could tell where this was going. I was was like no no no no you're not stopping and uh and i was like i fucking can't i can't stop now no because julian's gonna fucking kick my ass yeah and uh and yeah so i got to the end and everything was awful. But what was interesting is before I went, all these very fit people,

they would come back and they would finish and they would be white. Yeah. And I didn't realize that was a thing like totally. This is CrossFit, so white-er. White-er, yes. But, like, totally, totally pale. Like, they'd have just drained their face of blood. That's an aerobic threshold.

I know you went there. Yeah. Your forehead will turn completely white. I had black guys. Like, their forehead turns drained their face of blood. That's an anaerobic threshold. I know you went there. Your forehead will turn completely white. I had black guys. Like their forehead turns white. Really? Yeah. That's a very, very specific sign.

Yeah. And so if you're not there, I know. That's how you know. I know. We had, like there was an Asian dude that was so white when he came across that thing. So white. And to where I was like, I didn't know to expect that. So I was like a little concerned for his well-being.

And then the cramping started. Yeah. And then so you have just people like pale as shit, moaning. Nobody threw up. Did anyone throw up? They usually go in the back. I didn't see anybody in this one. But there was a lot of like, I was the same way.

You're like, you don't know what to be mad at. You're just mad at everything. You're mad today. I was fucking mad today. Should we talk about that today? I mean, what happened? Okay, so this is what it's been like. Uh-huh.

I have no... Here comes the excuse. I'm not making excuses. I have no... I'm not delusional about my athletic ability at all. I've always said I'm just big. I'm neither strong nor athletic or anything. Right.

But I have spent all week going, fuck, I suck at this. And it week going, fuck, I suck at this. And it's like, fuck, I suck at that. It's like exactly when I started, when I first started at CrossFit, it was, that's what it was. I would come in and I'd be like, I'm bad at this. And I'm getting beat by housewives at this. Right. And everybody's kicking my ass.

It's always good for you. And yeah, totally, whatever peg I thought I was on knocked me way down. But this week has been been it's like every single thing is a thing where it's like oh i can't get it you know what i mean you're just like i don't get it but today we did a bunch of like external torque work and then it was uh grab the bag not even a heavy bag light bag i had an 80 pound bag take it around the track and i get out the building walk the wrong way first because i followed the wrong guy, and then turn around. And all of a sudden, my back is just like full of blood,

and you can't lift your feet up. You can't stand up. And Julie and Richard are like, what the fuck is your problem? And I'm like, I don't know. You didn't make it five minutes. Even after me saying that, you still didn't make it. No, I didn't. Yeah, it was crazy.

You want to describe what was going on because i only know that i felt horrible pain not pain like not pain like injury pain but like like just muscle almost just intense muscle failure yeah it's you you're very very close to cramping what happens is um that happens when you freak out like you activate the sympathetic nervous system and so that triggers your lumbar spine erectors right and once you've done into that freak out zone it's very very hard to shut it off so then your lumbar spine erectors start to activate harshly let's put it this way and then they're never going to let go so once you have the weight like that you're loading it through those erectors like continuously and so you you just can't go anywhere take taking a step means one side takes over you go back and forth back and forth it you you once you get to that

stage you're done there's no there's no coming back yeah there was literally nothing yeah and so then you went into basically a spasm right yeah and then so your lumbar spine erectors are just fully contracted without ever letting go it's like a spasm if you're without the pain, but that means like full of blood. And then they just won't let go. And so you can't walk anymore. Like that's a shut off mechanism where your body's like, nope, you're not going there, dude. What was that protecting me from? I can't say it on air, but...

You know that stage of puberty when you start to grow that thing and your voice changes? Yeah, that was it. Yeah, I didn't want to turn into a man just yet. There you go. I knew it. No, because you went there.

You freaked out. Yeah. Once you freak out, it's a normal response. You go to our sympathetic nervous system, then you go to our external torque, and then it activates those fucking erectiles in the lumbar spine. Once you're freaked out, you're done done and it seems like that's actually like like at least with like

crossfit workouts is that's actually what training is like for me yeah like a lot of people but once your back blows up like you'll notice you're not coming back like you have to stop working on that well i get that i get i got that when i first started crossfit and i was really fat like everything i would do even like trying to squat to a box and stuff like that, I'd be like blown up before we'd do anything. That's probably just from moving like an asshole. Yeah, if you have the incorrect movement. But again, like the key with the sandbag is if you can go into it with the right mindset,

which is to wait, you know, like flow state, internal torque, so external obliques and everything, you can stay there. But if you go into it going, oh, shit, already, and then you load the bag high on your stomach so you feel that you're going to breathe better, but that loads your lumbar spine. And then sending those erectors, like it feels good for about six seconds. And then your erectors go into that phase of basically just locking out, and that's it. So it feels good for six seconds, and then your erectile go into that phase of basically just locking out and that's it so it feels good for six seconds and then you're gonna die and what's interesting you

know when we met last time you know i didn't know i had like i said today i had used the tools and been using them the wrong way the whole the whole time basically from the sandbag squats to the carries to you seem to have everything done exactly the opposite on everything on literally everything but it's nice to see you watch my other podcast videos yeah that's nice which is which is exactly the desired response for that workout right yeah you know say you only got the 180 pound bag that was for instagram did you do one rep and just put it on repeat for 30 times? Yes.

Did you fake dying at the end? No, that was fucking real, though. That was real. But, no, it's been very interesting this week. I don't get into any of this stuff, assuming that I have any sort of expertise. So we just kind of get into it. Everything we do here at Massanomics, we're just kind of get into it everything we do here at massonomics we're just kind of dudes out there trying to learn some shit and um that's a good

way to go yeah I mean like I mean I coach and now I'm like man what the fuck was I thinking even trying to coach at this point because I get you get to a point where you always feel I mean I've said the same thing yeah we're now you're like man i don't know anything god damn i've said that too yeah yeah um what where has change has been like like that maybe for both of you guys what has it been where you've had these moments where you're like like oh jesus what have i been doing this whole time that's every two months yeah yeah basically seems like that right it sucks because i get like 99 done with the project that he wants to do and then i don't know where he's like so i was at the gym today and you see when you start pressing you start doing this you start doing that he

starts writing shit i'm like fuck yeah scratch everything start over again yeah it's like so i did that thing and then this happened and okay well there we go yeah yeah i think think the biggest change was we were – I was on my honeymoon, and then he's like, hey, I have some really cool stuff. I can't wait to see you when we're in Australia. And so he shows up in Australia, and he just, like, shows me this map, and it's the body, and he has it painted in yellow and red. Right. And I'm looking at it, and I'm like, yeah, that's cool.

Okay, so they're, like, the ET muscles and the'm like yeah that's cool okay so they're like the et muscles and the it muscles he's like yeah yeah then i look at the at the primary function of each of the muscles and i'm like all the it's are eccentric and isometric and all the ets are concentric he's like now go look at cloak off and i was like that's. He's like, go look at a power lift, a strongman. And I was like, that's all IT. He's like, uh-huh. And I was like, huh. I'm like, in the back of my head, I'm like, no, there's a gap. Yeah, exactly, yeah.

And that's why I started going through like CrossFit, and I started going through every single sport and every single movement. And you're like, fuck, that makes so much sense. And then I started going back to, you know, before I was coaching and before I started just following methods blindly. And you're like, every time that I trained how it felt good follows exactly what's going on right here. And every time that you look at, you know,

Eddie Cohen, you look at Dorian Yates. But even Dorian Yates versus Schwarzenegger. Yeah. It was that and then the way they train. Like it all made sense. One was super heavy, it was it. It was crazy. So I think that was a huge change for us that

you know happened in the last five months yeah and it was then the nervous system yeah then i started going through that that's when for me the biggest click i guess was that one the nervous system because i was like but that can't be that can't be that we can't control the human being like that much just by just like that right you can't it was a weird almost psychological moment for me because i was like is it possible that we are that not easy to control but that programmable that we can really program the nervous system just based on certain actions and they talk about it a lot for um breathing and stuff like that but i was like to to the level at which i was capable of doing on myself right

going to the gym i could really program certain things like how what's that noise that's a weed whacker where is it behind you oh no shit so he waited for us then yeah yeah okay is that your friend he's following you with a lawnmower everywhere you go. And he starts the second you start a podcast. I'm pretty sure we won't be able to hear it. We've complained about things like that on the air before. No, because now I'm hearing it.

I'm like, am I going crazy? Or am I hearing something like, okay. They almost never come through in the mix. So I'm an audio editing expert. Yeah. So the nervous system was a weird moment because suddenly just out of doing

certain exercises i can trigger like task oriented stuff like doing emails or things like this so i could make myself go more philosophical and i could sleep crash and sleep like 12 hours or not sleep at all and i could just trigger almost my personality based on how i train i was like oh it can't be is it that simple really are we that controllable and yes apparently pretty much yeah i uh well you basically crashed the shit out of us on that would have been saturday yeah that was on purpose yep and people pay for that and they come back you'll figure. I know. And they stay all week. I know. And they pay more money.

Right. To come back and say, do it again. Yeah, so. I bet you you can't do it again. I'm like, oh, okay. I don't believe you. Yeah, yeah. Trust me, I'll do it again.

That's, like, now that is something we talked about. That's not, like, a session like that is not something you would do regularly. No, I do it. Where it's IT, IT, IT. Yeah, because you see how much you crash after. So I like to do it once a week, but that assumes that you're not going to do anything after. So forget going out, forget anything else, but eat and crash.

So first of all, not everybody has that kind of a lifestyle, right, that you can just take Saturday off and not do anything. Yeah. But it was also true. I like to do it for the mental aspect of pushing as hard as I can because I like those movements. But the idea, of uh pushing as hard as i can because i like those movements but the idea no i will not do that on a regular basis that was really i was trying to make a point about the nervous system saying look i'm gonna walk you like i'm gonna make you crash

so bad tonight like you're gonna have dinner go home and just crash for 10 hours and just but then after when you come back the next day i'm gonna make you do a workout to just bring you back up. Just to show like how the human body works, but, and the point also was, we have that idea that intensity is only brought through the sympathetic training system. That's what intensity is, it's like, you know. And the parasympathetic cannot bring, you cannot really push intensity

in a parasympathetic nervous system training. And I wanted to prove exactly the opposite. I can murder you into a parasympathetic training workout. Like exactly what I did. So see, the nervous system has nothing to do with intensity. Like everybody assumes that the sympathetic nervous system is excitation, intensity, and parasympathetic is rest, and it's not. It's just the other side of the same coin.

Yeah. And I find that trying to train out of that flow state is so foreign to me. Like that's not… It depends a little bit where you are as a person and different things. That's exactly where I live. Yeah. When you guys have talked about, no, you just got to calm down, you just got gotta do the thing and you're like

well I don't you go into the freak out stage really fast yeah that's my yeah but then we ask you to do an external talk and then you go internal talk

so you go internal talk when we ask you not to and the second I ask you to go internal talk you go external talk I'm like oh you're that guy I have you're just gonna do the opposite

of what I say fine I have come to the conclusion that I am literally the worst that's what it's I'm just like I don't know guys there there's always what to do so i can do the opposite please yeah go ahead exactly um you and my daughter will get along fine we uh the other interesting thing you mentioned a few of these those lifters you know when it comes to

internal and external external torque and the miss the misapplication of of that process how what what have you been seeing now what are some of the signs i know we've talked about it um this week but what are some of the signs from the elbow position to you know there's there's a few big red flags that you've been noticing yeah like that i can never remember the name of it but that muscle inside the elbow right look how developed it is in crossfit like Like we could put some pictures, but if you look, look at the CrossFit game that are popping up in five days. And look at whenever their arms are overhead, male as well, but especially the females. And you'll see that huge muscle on the inside of the elbow like that. And that comes from creating external torque on an overhead position because they feel it's a stronger position.

torque on an overhead position because they feel it's a stronger position and that puts everything out of whack basically because you're not in the pressing mechanism anymore which is internal torque now you're in the pulling mechanism so that puts everything on the joint and that arm is basically getting bent and you can see the arm on the weak side especially of the female lifters being bent down and away. So the forearm bones are not really aligned with the humerus anymore. Like they start the radius and the ulna are not aligned in a straight line.

They start to go out and out and start to bend down because you're putting all the stress on the elbow, on the joints. And if you do that enough with enough weight, eventually it starts to go. And so we see a hypertrophy of the muscle on the inside of the arm by the elbow where we shouldn't see any that muscle is not supposed to relax and flex yeah so you're not supposed to get a huge one hypertrophy you're not supposed to

supposed to get a muscle there it's not supposed to flex to you know relax and contract that's not the point it's just supposed to stabilize nothing else and now we're using it as a mover yeah and oh you don't want to do that imagine if you had that muscle on the side of your knee like suddenly you started having a big ass muscle on the side of your knee on your ankle you'd be like dude you're not you know why it's the same thing on on the elbow it's a sign it's a symptom of something that is you know problematic and between that and some you know that some some other imbalances that you've been seeing, we've been seeing a lot of lifters,

especially as things get heavy, young lifters like CJ Cummings now, you'll see him at the top of his lifts. He starts shifting. A lot of these guys now you're gonna see, and they start to turn. And he's doing it more and more and more. He's shifting to the right,

and the heavier he gets, the more he turns. It's things like that, he's so young. Like it would be nice to address it right now because if we wait, we have the potential for metal at the Olympics slipping away if we don't do things early enough. Right now, it's fine. Nobody wants to touch it saying,

oh, yeah, it's just idiosyncrasy. No, no, it's not. It's a symptom of something larger. That right shoulder is getting a lot of stress. When he turns like that, as he controls the snatch, imagine what he does to the left shoulder, that that right shoulder is getting a lot of stress when it turns like that as he controlled the snatch imagine what he does to the left shoulder to the right shoulder and then the head to the back that too but imagine that shoulder like how much stress is on it every time and those are heavy heavy weights right yeah and yeah and the back and the knees and all that

stuff and so he's young enough that he heals fast enough fine but we we have a shot at a very very good one right there. We need to take care of him from the beginning. And those are heavyweights for anybody relative to his size. How old is he? 18 now? Is he even 18? I think he might still be 17. He might be 17, right? So, you know, on growth plate still, all that stuff,

I'm like, ooh, that's, you know, and then the physiotherapy on the shoulder is not the problem. Larger muscle groups needs to be strengthened. And in a case like that where it's rotation, that's more of an imbalance issue? I don't know. I didn't assess him. So I can't tell exactly. There can be anything from the teres major to, I don't know, I would have to see.

Because the right side is his strong side. So I would think he would give up on the left. But I didn't see him moving off. I didn his strong side. So I would think he would give up on the left, but I didn't see him moving off. I didn't assess him, so I can't tell. But I believe it's a symptom of a larger issue here. What are some of the most common issues that you're seeing? I do CrossFit, own a CrossFit gym, built my future around that. So I'm not here to disparage crossfit as a training

this is where people get it wrong like the only thing i'm saying is i want crossfit to do better yeah so if i see a problem and i don't say anything i might not that means you don't care exactly that means i don't care i might not part of the problem then yeah i'm complicit to the problem by not saying anything. So I'm just the first rule to fix a problem in knowing there is one. I just want to say that might be an issue. We need to take a look at it. Because if I feel it's a problem and I don't say anything, I'm complicit.

What are some of the other consistent injuries or issues that you see related to crossfit? The movement patterns that we yeah there's a few we're not talking about like for example let's talk about the pelvic floor problem amongst female i believe that to be the single most important one i believe so because okay so the pelvic floor what does that mean that means we see a lot of female athletes peeing right during a double under during box jump during squatting and so everybody is saying oh yeah well you know women kids and everything i'm like yeah but that's not what i'm talking i'm not talking about 50 year old with three kids i only have 20 year olds yeah i'm talking about 20 year old no kids uh very very athletic and i cannot stop

uh being on almost any activity and so oh it's kind of funny at first it's like yeah yeah yeah they're peeing everywhere there's something almost sexual about it so nobody's really touching it but i think it's a sign of a much larger issue i think the pelvic floor is collapsing i am hearing about stories about the prolapse of the uterus now so that would mean the uterus falling uh falling off like literally that's what a prolapse is so uh not i'm not saying crossfit is responsible for that at all but i'm just saying like there is a lack of strength in the pelvic floor so my view on it is and i talked to a few pts for for that and um is that the external torque that we place uh too much emphasis on in crossfit right is allowing a development of the rectus abdominis so the six pack right the six

pack becomes extremely strong that in turns activate the uh the lumbar spine and the lumbar spine activates the rectus they play ping pong between the two and then you have that that's an external torque structure right so you have the six pack and the lumbar erectors on the lumbar spine that are basically playing ping pong reinforcing each other creating that arch that we see amongst so many female competitive athletes with like huge six-pack but very tiny waist which by the way i found beautiful but that's not the point so i'm not i'm not bashing i finally i do i think crossfit women are the you know are so good looking probably the most uh so performance and good looking at the same time yeah out there but so you have the development of that six pack and

that lombar that massive lumbar spine erectors developing right and so that comes from external torque and that's putting all that pressure down from that strength and what we are not doing is we are not strengthening the internal torque therefore we are not strengthening the external obliques transverse and low abs and so we have all that pressure from that arch position in those strong six pack pushing down and we are not strengthening the pelvic floor because we are not doing internal torque so that over accentuation of external torque and never going toward internal torque is creating such a pressure that I think it's creating a collapse of the pelvic floor and that would cause peeing amongst younger and

younger athletes and now we see the prolapse problem and I think that's going to be basically the ping is a symptom of a larger problem where we're going to see the prolapse happening earlier and earlier and earlier yeah and that would be very very bad news yeah for crossfit gyms if this keeps on getting worse so if you're just paying here and there it's it's one thing but now you i think the problem the symptom is getting worse basically and so but there is a simple way to fix that we just need to understand internal torque and work toward strengthening the pelvic floor which is what we we've been doing with external oblique opener which was not created for that i created it because i wanted to strengthen the external obliques and the transverse but then i

realized as we as we come up with it that the low abs were getting strong was getting stronger out of it and then when i had it testing on my women that the low abs were getting strong was getting stronger out of it and then when i had it testing on my women that the pelvic floor was because those are exactly the muscles were getting tremendously strengthened by that and so i had it tested with some of my athletes that had a problem with the peeing thing and the second i would put the kettlebell below the belly button and make them do the exercise nothing put the kettlebell on top of the belly button toward the rectus abdominis, the six pack, and then even in a laying position, they start peeing.

Laying position doing nothing, they could not stop the flow. Put the kettlebell below belly button, makes them activate, nothing. Put it on top of the belly button, activate the rectus abdominis, they start peeing. So that shows me that a lot of that comes from that rectus abdominis, lumbar spine, and rectus, creating that external torque,

and that's just pushing down everything and then that's where the ping happens but i think the pushing down is going to create a much larger issue down the road yeah and so that is the big big one i think and i'm gonna i'm gonna start going toward promoting the external big opener to strengthen the pelvic floor amongst women because i believe it's a very important one i see it almost every week i think it's actually far more common than you know women don't like to talk about it obviously yeah but i think it's very very common in my gym that would like literally be embarrassing go home before right after the warm-up well i have two two types one stop in the middle of a

workout where are you going yeah yeah i have two types ones that will not say anything and ones that'll be like huh you know it happens but that was a big thing like two or three years ago where like CrossFit started to

to make funny videos about women at regionals or at the games and they made jokes about it rather than saying hey you know what this probably should be

something that should be addressed I think at the time it was just that it was like it's almost sexualization of the female in CrossFit, which we see all the time now. And they're like with the booty shorts, you can see it more if you're wearing pants.

So they were like, hey, look, they're peeing. It's kind of funny. You're jumping everywhere, you're peeing. It's a lot more fun than the guys shitting themselves in powerlifting. So it was a lot more fun. Let's be honest. That's pretty funny though. Yeah, kind of.

But that was a lot more. You would never, ever be able to sexualize a power lifter shitting his pants. Okay, I much rather look at the female crossfaders pitting themselves than the power lifters shitting themselves. I'll put it this way. That's the truth. And so I think we kind of put a blanket on it going, ah, yeah, whatever. Yeah. You know, I didn't at the time.

None of this fell together for me until this week, either just not knowing or just being naive or whatever. But I noticed, I think it was this year at IWF Worlds, the weightlifting, they had both Katrin David's daughter and Annie Thor's daughter lifted, competed as weightlifters. Oh, really? I don't remember if it was this year or last year i remember if it was in houston i remember houston was two years

ago i think it's in catch but annie um yeah it was houston that was it might be houston that would have been last year or a year ago november but they um and i remember annie thor's daughter on her clean came up with it peed the whole way up i didn up, had to sidestep actually out of it before she jerked it overhead. And at the time, it was like, oh, that's funny. But you know what I didn't notice? She was the only one. Yeah, and they were talking about, oh, these CrossFit girls are competing, and they're competing well, and they're doing a thing.

But those girls that did CrossFit, she was the only one that peed on the platform. And she has the one with the very thick abs. And she is the one that actually, if you look and she is the one and she is the one and she is one that actually if you look at the way she walks and is she has very thick abs up front narrow waist massive uh huge spinal erectors spinal erectors lumbar spine erectors i mean let's be honest a lot of them have that but you see how they walk like super arch now more and more i there's something there and i think it's getting to this i mean like again like the at first it's like the super arch like that again i think we

might have because they look so good overlook certain things yeah and uh they're so strong and they're thick you know like muscle and everything and i'm seeing that in the best possible way uh but now i'm getting to the point where I'm starting to ask, because women won't necessarily tell you, especially a guy, right? But I'm seeing me as a coach, I'm like, okay, so tell me, how is this going? And I think it's far more, it's always been common, but maybe not that common. It's far more common, I think, than we think. And what worried me wasn't that everybody's peeing or younger and younger,

it's that it's getting worse. Now we hear about the prolapse and amongst women that are not that old. Mm-hmm. That was a red flag. Yeah. I was like,

guys, because if that comes around, you might as well close the CrossFit gym right now. Yeah. Because if we start to associate,

unfairly completely, but the world has never been fair on shit like that. Yeah. Where that creates a problem with the pelvic floor. If women associate CrossFit withfit with that oh man how we fought yeah and again that's nothing to do with crossfit the training system because crossfit training system and face emphasizes every

movement possible and everything so and you you have said you've said actually many times this week too that you know in in spite of that well because there's a solution to that, you hope that your daughter trains CrossFit. Oh, totally. But I want her to do the Glassman CrossFit, not Dave Castro's. If she ever wants to compete in CrossFit, she can have it. But she has to understand that this is a sport, not a training system. My love is the training system of CrossFit, what Greg Glassman created, the Nasty Girls, all that stuff, with a very, very specific idea in mind. It is not the 40-minute workout like you see where they just murder people.

It's not Murph in the sun like 14, two years ago. What kind of fun coach? Yeah, ask what they, you know, ask what… Speak for yourself. Ask what Annie had to say about it. So there's a sport aspect, there's a training system aspect right i'm talking mostly about the training system aspect i think the sport is um as an affiliate owner i believe that the sport um is now in my way okay but you have also the sport has created a proof that crossfit

for women works yes without the, we would never know that. We wouldn't have that top-end evidence of how far it can go. Look at the strength of the girls at the CrossFit Games, of the women at the CrossFit Games. They can go into any powerlifting competition and take top three nationally, outside of Russia maybe.

Same thing in Olympic weightlifting, outside of China and Russia, they take top three almost anywhere, right? That's why Catherine competed and stuff like that. Yeah, exactly. Look how well she's doing. Without the sport, three almost anywhere right that's why catherine competed and stuff like that so yeah exactly yeah look how well she's doing without the the sport we would never see how far we could have pushed women okay before dave castro who would have pushed women that hard nobody exactly it took

dave castro to do that and they responded yeah and they responded more than i think even dave castro thought they could. Nobody thought. Look at five years ago. Did you think everybody at the CrossFit Games would snatch 90 kilos now? 90 kilos was, who was the first one? I remember. First quote to snatch 90 kilos? It was out of California.

Oh, man, my memory is gone. Lindsay Valenzuela was one of the early ones to snatch 90 kilos. And at the time, it was like, oh, shit shit because now we're talking like national level and almost European right you know they were like oh my god and now everyone what you mean as a hang snatch yeah they were doing it as a hang snatch now yeah and that's like four years later yeah the progress has been insane and the only reason you see that because like look at the last CrossFit games they how many women they lifted over 165 kilos i think almost all of them like or at least like what three quarters of the field yeah i know like lauren did 170 something so okay guys yeah i mean did you did you ever see women they're lifting 400

like that was a big number right now you're like yeah almost all of them i mean they're all 365. even small ones right we would never have known that without the support of CrossFit. Dave Castro got that out of them. Yeah. So you have to give credit where credit is due, always. Now, this changed this year because they introduced the dumbbells more. But for the last five years outside of this year, you had so much just pure barbell work and everything was external torque,

and that's not Castro. That's more the way the CrossFit community went to external torque for lifting overhead which is wrong that has created I think a certain number of issues and the problem is we took that and then we asked our regular members to do the same kind of training and that's when we went wrong yeah that no people cannot do train like that so the problem I think at the beginning is there was not a split between the training system and the sport. That was not established amongst owners, affiliate owners, and within the population coming in saying,

look, what you see on Instagram is the sport, not the training system. Because you don't see that in other sports. What I don't see is I don't see high school strength and conditioning coaches pushing their, you know what i mean pushing pushing nfl programming they do but then they die yeah we know for a fact that you're gonna kill five yeah yeah i mean you don't do ufc training to get in shape no if you do you're gonna get the shit better of you like really really fast so uh but you always have that white belt like in jujitsu that comes thinking he's gonna do ufc but he gets his ass kicked and then

he backs off because the coach is like no man you you don't understand what it takes to be there yeah so in the jiu-jitsu community like we all know that guy and he's gonna get the better of him and his ego is gonna calm down in crossfit we push people toward that yeah that's the problem it's like you didn't 20 minutes let's do 30. let's put more weight let's go and then that's that you know harsh kind of confrontational maybe culture of crossfit hq that comes out and then we go like oh if you stop your pussy go go harder and god knows i say that but in very controlled environment he fucking does but in a very controlled environment you were walking with a sled i mean you were

you were being a real pussy time it was like a walker that you were using. Exactly. I would have rather carried that fucking sled. Well, you did. Yes, you did. Just to turn it around. I thought you were going to literally run with the sled. I was like, it's going to pick me up in months.

Yeah, I think about it. I had to figure there was something going on with the friction that I just, something wasn't right. Someone lied to you at some point about, yeah, exactly. You know, almost on the other side of that spectrum. So we talk about now across this kind of push, push, push, right? It gets harder, more extreme, more extreme. And that's based on what we're seeing on social media. What about, though, we also see a similar issue on the other side of that with people who can't, don't understand intensity now because of the way that's trained

because of volume yeah because if you're gonna do a 30 minute volume you're not gonna go hard but i think like we need to go back to greg glassman's crossfit like 10 years ago look at the dot com 10 years ago and you will see mostly like right before the games happened and he was like a short workout but everything was placed on the intensity the point was i don't know if they remember but um um greg glassman talking about greg and mitson right before a friend at seminars and for five minutes he had to go puke in the bathroom because he was so nervous about the idea of pushing that hard on the workout and by the way his friend time was like 240. yeah so very high for now right yeah and so he wasn't like if you look at his number compared to now he's it wasn't that good but the point was he he pushed that hard so remember the fire breather

right where he comes from from greg and muslim said that because they were all of them like laying on the floor breathing fire and they said oh we're a bunch of fire breather okay when was the last time you saw at a crossfit gym people like that on the floor going okay when was the last time you saw at a crossfit gym people like that on the floor going and so can you do that well depends with certain movement like the sled you can but the point of crossfit was the intensity the definition is functional movement high intensity yeah it would be in high volume and it's high intensity it's hard to get there with a fuck ton of hang snatches but that's the problem is if you go there with hang snatches then you're gonna wreck yourself and you're three months in and your shoulders are gone and your knees are

fucked and your back is cramping up everybody and then you have to lower the intensity because otherwise you're going to hurt yourself and when that type of exactly when that type of stuff is programmed frankly a wise responsive athlete is gonna maybe pump the brakes a little bit you know good rightfully so good rightfully so right but if i put you on the sled then there's no reason to stop that's why so it's not it's not the intensity it's the choice of exercises to reach intensity that is a problem not intensity itself and people and i you know i've obviously make the choice lots of times to stay shy of that intensity and we saw it even this weekend with you know people who are coaches and some of them who would pay you know we had a few coaches who would pace the sled because maybe they they

could move and they could move it for right the whole they could move it for the whole distance at a decent pace but like they didn't fucking redline it you know they knew how bad it was going to be they go like yeah you know what i don't want that i want to stay i want to stay just short of that yeah yeah and that's but that's life choice. You are the one who's going to look at himself in the mirror the next morning. Yeah, and I don't know any better. I just went, and now I still wanted to quit, though. Exactly, especially at the end. You almost did there for a second.

But no, so back to that scene, though, where I'm pushing the sled. I see Julian's shadow coming towards me. I knew for a long time that I was going to probably at some point do the seminar on the Coach's Week and that I was probably going to have that experience. But I was so fucking scared when Julian comes walking up to me. I was like, he's not going to make me kill myself right now. Oh, yes, he is. I was like, oh, yes, he is. But it right now. Or is he? I was like, oh, fuck it. Yes, he is.

But it's been. You have to know one time what he feels like. Yeah. In your life. And it is, though, like you said, you'll get done with that. And the next day, you're going to say, could I have gone harder? Remember a fight club? Yes.

When Brad Pitt, Edward Norton, he's like, who wants to die without scars? They say, have you ever been in a fight he's like no well me neither let's do it he's like I don't want to go in a fight yeah one time you have to fight who wants to die without scars one time you have to kill yourself just know what it's like to go past that moment

where you think it's dangerous but actually it's not and I think that's a but I think there's probably a lot of people still that can do maybe they did that Saturday and went it's not and i think that's a you know but i think there's probably a lot of people still they can do that even maybe they did that saturday and went oh fuck the next day like i probably then i would have could have laid a little bit then that was then i want what i wanted to get yeah because then the next time yeah you take the next little bit harder yeah and they're still gonna wake up going huh yeah maybe could have gone harder i want you to talk about a little bit something we mentioned today about um we talked about why maybe you would recommend for us when we're pushing the sled to

just decide to bear down but maybe fucking tune it out but your relationship with it is you like to just really like like i like to go and be like i'm gonna fucking disappear somewhere else in my head and just try to move until this is over you have two ways to go at it is when you start the sled you can build a room in your head like your safety room like a panic room right where things get too rough and you get to go out there and live like those dead people do. Or you can look at the sled and go, it's you and me. And for the next 90 seconds, I'm going to talk to you, but I'm going to be present for every second of every step.

It's kind of enjoyable. How do you not enjoy that? I don't know about that. I kind of enjoy it. It's a fight with it, yeah. I would guess that there's a certain amount of feeling 100% fully present in the moment you you probably can't fake that does that you know what i mean

pain does that you can't like for me it's like can i kill myself yeah pushing a sled you know what i mean yeah like how far can you really go yeah i'm like yeah like i i will literally whenever he says one set or if he says like three sets or anything, I'm like, coach, if I win the first set, I'm done. I'm not okay. I know that as soon as I go, like I'm going to go until I just fall. I mean, he's seen me. Like I'll just literally, there'll be a point where I just like stop. I look up like deer in the headlights and just fall and start almost crying and everything starts cramping.

I try to get my shoes off and I'm going to go puke within like 30 minutes because i'm just done yeah but it's like how much further can i go next time you know and so it's it's just but it's it's a scene in fight club remember when he when he does the the scar on the hand he puts the the powder and then he kisses it and the guy starts to go on fire and he tries to go to his room with a penguin and he slaps the shit out of him going like get out

don't you you know you don't want to avoid that and live like those dead people do no just be there

be in the present be with it just control it but you control it not by not being there then you're just avoiding it you can do that

if you're a pussy but or you can be if you're a pussy but yeah um or you can be yeah if you're a pussy if you want to whip out yeah if you just can't look at yourself in the mirror anymore that's up to you but a green shirt with a shitty hairline um or you can uh go at it and go like you can't scare me yeah that's i look at the sled the entire time because i basically it's a relationship between the sled and me for 90 seconds where we are very very close we share a very deep relationship like there's a bone right there and i tell the sled you can't scare me

yeah go because i know you will you will try but you will not scare me you cannot scare me But you will not scare me. You cannot scare me. I think it's interesting how you can try to escape that pain by mentally escaping it. Or some people simply physically don't go there either. Where they will just pull back. But that's your view of life in general. If you don't understand that life is pain. If you believe anything else, they're selling you something.

Life is pain. That's just the way it is and you can either choose to live with it or to escape it but you understand that by escaping it you escape escape life yeah you escape the present so you're in that room you're either in the past or in the future yeah you noticed if you're in that room you're thinking about your day before like a good moment what you lived or you're thinking about the five minutes after once you're done yeah but you're in that room, you're thinking about your day before, like a good moment, what you lived, or you're thinking about the five minutes after once you're done. But you're either in the past or the future, but you're never in the present. Nobody ever lives in a room in the present. Yeah. Right?

That's absolutely how I address those situations. Yes, exactly. So you're escaping life, right? Yeah. If I'm pushing that sled, I'm like, in 30 seconds, this will be a hell of a lot cooler. Exactly. Or that you're on your honeymoon or some shit like that like that but it's one of the other right yeah so or or you can be the most grounded you've ever been for the next 90 seconds where for once you live in the present

there's nothing else for 30 seconds there's nothing there's no mortgage there's no gym there's no bullshit there's no other people There's you and the sled and the question becomes can you just push the next 30 seconds and live? Your last moment well That's intense man, but that's what they say that's what life is Yeah Can you leave the next moment well? So this the sled and I trying to scare me trying to make me quit and I'm like no I won't and for the next 30-second that's always all that's gonna be is the sled and i the sled and me

we're going to go there together and you will not make me quit you will not scare me but i will be rooted in the present to live those next few moments well and if i die i die there's always a choice the problem is people think there is no choice they go at the sled and they say the choice is quit or not quit i'm like no that's not true yeah the choices are quit but you can always die yeah that you can do you always are quit, but you can always die. That you can do. You always have that choice, right? You can always die.

So you're going to tell me, like, if you don't quit on that, you're going to die? Bullshit. That's not true. I know because I've done it so many times. You're not going to die. So you always have a choice. So don't tell me.

So your choice is not quitting or not quitting. Your choice is quitting or die. And so once you accept that you're not going to die then go and quit about that when we arrived saturday morning your daughter wrote a nice little welcome note to us on the fucking whiteboard let's talk in trash yes she does love that it was written i think i have a picture of that maybe i'll put when i put the slideshow for this episode but i believe it said welcome was it get ready to die training get ready to die training fuck it's funny because everybody posted it at the seminar it's really cute actually um but it's been um you know this this week's been a really

just interesting experience for me to to come into it and not have, I didn't have any like really preconceived notions on what I was going to learn about or what all was going to happen. I was just going to sponge it up, but it's so I've never felt as taken down a peg as I have, like not just, not just athletically, but like mentally where like there's some there was some

there's some times this we were just like oh fuck i feel like i'm really ill-equipped for all of this you know and i think uh hopefully that's just what the spirit of learning is is that you always go into it going out well i just don't know a fucking thing and i guess that keeps you hungry like that all the time yeah yeah but um but's been cool. What's the next move? You guys are obviously just fucking nomadic taking this thing on the road. Yeah. I think we talked about it in that you guys live the, what is it, the most interesting man in the world. That's what I'm working towards.

Is that? I totally agree. If I could be between the most interesting man in the world and rock Dwayne Johnson, I could be a mix of that. I'd be stoked, dude. I'm,

I'm set. Um, I think the, I mean, the next move is, I think I got really drunk with my uncle and I remember, I remember, I was like,

coach, you are my inspiration. I, I clearly remember writing. You're my, my ride or die. I have it. And all I got was, I think it was like, I was like you're my my ride or die i have it yeah and all

i get is i think it was like i was like you're my ride or die and i get a smiley face and a fist bump and i was like i'll take that i'll take that i'm a quiet guy i mean that was good i thought that was a good answer um but yeah i mean i think that as as that as the vision gets clearer and we really start to see where we see, like, being all over the world, we really tend to see the true light of fitness. And you get to meet the people that truly want to make an impact, but it's very difficult to kind of break into the fitness scene if you're not willing to sell six-week boot camps or you know do the marketing aspect and just have hot girls and booty shorts to sell your business like all this stuff and so i i think like the the real i always tell julian i'm like this is the next step the next progression for the fitness world um you know you had like the 70s like arnold just changed and revolutionized what bodybuilding was and and really changed the gym atmosphere yes yeah because everybody wanted to

become yoked and gyms in general yeah and so then all of a sudden like the 90s like jaster size and taibo came about and spin classes and then all of a sudden we had crossfit they came and just actually started wanting performance and to make an actual make something out of fitness rather than just let's just be skinny bitches and so i think now the next progression is we now understand why methods that have worked in the past work so well and why people are breaking because they're trying to pick and choose methods like if you're doing a junior small off so you can continue doing your crossfit training and do a squat program give me

a fucking break like come on you don't even know what you're doing yeah and then when you have like people that want to put on 100 pounds on their back squat and one year you're like dude why don't we just span that out for six years but everything in the fitness industry is a six-week cycle or eight-week cycle look Look at any Flex magazine. Look at bodybuilding magazines. They're all six- to eight-week cycles. So I think the cool thing now is that we get to meet coaches that, although you may not feel equipped, you want to make a bigger change

and you want to make a dent within the fitness industry. And you understand that it's not a six-week cycle and it's not an on-ramp program to do CrossFit for three months and then go on to do spin. But being healthy requires work. And so once we actually understand why we do the movements that we do and why we program a certain way, now we can actually start progressing coaching and progressing the fitness industry. So I think that, I mean, my giant vision for StrongFit is truly just revolutionizing the way people view fitness and people view training just for health, not for the gains of the six-pack. But you can still get that along with it. Yeah. You know, I mean, I still want a six-pack.

So do I. Everybody wants a six-pack. You're getting close, Coach. You're getting lean. Yeah, yeah. You're getting lean. Yeah, you have getting lean yeah you have gotten lean by the way what's going on are you not letting him eat oh no he's weird wait the

lady today at the sushi place like you do realize there's a charge of you over of your over order i was like don't worry about it just keep it coming no it's just like it's training correctly now i figure out i kind of figure out the nervous system thing to a large degree anyway and um and so now i don't need days off anymore i just continuously training hard and so the results basically speak for themselves and you guys both train now like i mean you train with intention but you it seems like you guys are training one thing you guys are doing a lot of is experimenting with the new system. Of course. Yes But also but it also seems like you guys are training a little bit just intuitively now to where you're not actually No, that's what it looks like but it's not it's actually based on talk and nervous system. It's just we don't train for the same Obvious reasons like people train. Oh, I'm gonna do legs today. Oh, it's a back squat session

So I'm gonna do back squat and then front squat and then thrusters. Because I'm going to do mostly towards my quads and everything. Whereas now we train more based on the nervous system or torque chains. Today I'm going to go internal torque. Today I was going to go parasympathetic the entire time. But I do it through exercises and things like that. So it might look random, but it's actually not at all. It's very, very specific.

I'm just looking for a very, very specific thing. If you zoom back from that just a little bit, it's funny because that's so much different from the way me and a lot of people train too, though, where it's like I just, all right, I'm going to get huge for a couple months, and then I'm going to lean down a little bit. But you can do that too yeah and you're just now kind of you're just you're doing it you're doing what you're doing but you're letting your your body is just gonna so but that's that's the thing is when i stopped caring about that my body responded yeah because when i

start training for the right reasons my body responded before i was just getting fat yeah and suddenly i'm chewing, started to lean out, but the strength is still there. So it's been so weird. Like, of course, you find what you were looking for on the road where you didn't look for it. It's always the same shit in life.

The more you look for it, the less you find it. It's annoying as shit. And so I'm training for the right reasons in a way. There's a number of steps, right? But first, if you can target the nervous system correctly. So now I train to become smarter. Whether that makes sense or not, I would have to go into the whole thing.

But basically, I train to target my nervous system a certain way so that I'm stronger as myself. I'm smarter, stronger, better, but as me, not as a human me not as a human being as a human being but me the way i'm built the way i'm shaped mentally the kind of person that i am i am training in order to make that person better at being themselves so i'm literally training me yeah to be a better me and that nervous system smarter stronger and then my body has of you and of course once you figure this out your body responds tremendously well because you are training you. You're not training,

I'm not training Dorian Yates. Yeah. I'm not training me to become Dorian Yates because you can't. There's only one Dorian Yates. Like everybody gets on Arnold's nine-week PEC program.

Fuck, I did. You know? I followed Dorian Yates' program to the letter for like a year and a half when I was 18. I did. I totally did.

But now you're training you to be somebody else. You can't be that person. It's already there. The seat is taken. There's a lot of lack of, that I see a lot of just lack of self-awareness when people do train. Because you don't know.

Like they say do bicep curl. Like, oh, fuck, I'm going to do bicep curl. But so now I came around and I said, okay, but what's a bicep curl? Yeah, exactly. Which one? How? So you know the what now.

How about we figure out the how and then why and that's still the most important part and that's what i've been late the last few months i've been about is the why the nervous system that is the key and it's funny because now we are a time where uh it's funny the world works like that like the same time um einstein started to figure out like the relativity and everything like then in the 20s is quantum mechanics and everybody figured out the same thing at the same time basically and then because he changed things a little bit and then everything exploded everybody right now is after the nervous system william hough has opened a door too that is ridiculous yeah so because he's done stuff with the nervous system that should not be done and so it was like

so the medical community is like oh that that you can't do that and yes he's done stuff with the nervous system that should not be done. And so everybody's like, shit. So the medical community is like, oh, you can't do that. And yes, he's doing it. So at the same time, I'm figuring my stuff on the nervous system. And then a lot of people are talking about breathing, and Brian McKenzie is going toward the parasympathetic nervous system through breathing. And so we're all going toward the nervous system. Everything's coming close.

But I can trigger it. Yeah, but I can trigger it. Yeah. So now they have the whole thing about the fas fascia that is on endocrine system like they can um even up to the link to some subconscious and hormonal levels and stuff like that but that's still a what they're explaining how all that stuff works but not how it works just what works when you do this this happens everything my me what i wanted to figure out is okay but then how do i trigger it? Yeah.

It's one thing to tell me it's there. It's not enough, though. Yeah. How can I call upon it when I want it? How do I control it? Yeah. Like, okay, you're telling me there's one versus the other. Okay, then how do I change it?

How do I go at it? It's like knowing, like, there's subconscious. Okay, how do I control it? Yeah. I want to know. It's not enough to tell me it's there. You can't just show me the stuff and tell me I can't touch it. Yeah. Like, okay, then I want to figure it out i don't want to touch but it's that's why

that's why i don't go to strip club i'm like i don't want to look at it i want to touch it sorry you know i mean so that's why i don't go to strip club i'm like yeah but if i can't have it i don't want to see it yeah yeah like it's like going to chocolate factory and not having any like fuck you yeah so you can't just show me the subconscious and say you can't control it i'm like yes i will yeah and so i was like nervous system fine i'll find a way to control it yeah and so that's what the system is now is i can control the nervous system and as this stuff starts rolling out that's been i think that'll be the the next big eye-opening thing that we see out of it no question from a training aspect what i see what

you guys are doing just as you know from the outside now getting just a little bit of a closer view of it is i view what crossfit's doing is having is i feel like crossfit is so close to being like just a i mean it is a great system and i feel like what you guys are putting together is just filling in all of those gaps to make it now there actually that's where we're at rob wolf talk about that like the reason he left actually i mean after the castro fighting because he got glass assassinated but um he talks about i remember a blog of his saying like crossfit to him was the that's why he joined he was he was the key to everything he said we could have changed everything with CrossFit. The only difference is I still think we can.

That's all we do. Like, look, CrossFit is insane. I've been saying from the get-go for the last seven years that the one place CrossFit would not work is in France. Because French people don't train. There's 400 CrossFit.

There's 400 CrossFit in France. Lille de la Réunion, which is about that big it's about like five kilometers uh wide i can't it's a bit more but i'm joking but uh they have 13 on the island really it's off the madagascar it's east of malagascar where's that i don't know where that is okay so south africa east malagascar have you not seen the movie malagascar that's what i'm saying it's like you know the movie withagascar? That's what I'm saying. It's like, you know, the movie with the fucking little monkey thing. Little monkey raccoons. Lemurs. Lemurs, not monkeys.

They're called monkey raccoons, Julian. No, they're called lemurs. It's only for Malagascar. Come on. So, South Africa, East Malagascar, Ile de la Réunion. And they have 13 on the island. No shit. Yep.

And so, but there's 400 CrossFit boxers in France. I'm like how french people don't train how the fuck did crossfit did something nothing else ever come close to even the gold gyms that blew up in the states but in europe it never went anywhere yeah and so i think crossfit can be the gold gym era but for the whole world i really do think so and especially in europe it's blowing up in europe right now the thing is I really do think so especially in Europe it's blowing up

in Europe right now the thing is let's not fuck this up yeah there are a few issues there are a few issues you know I look at I look at at least

where it kind of fell into my lap because it really did I was forced into it it just kind of fell into my lap and I look at that as just a

a really sweet gift that was given to me and I think a lot of people see it that way you know for themselves you know what I mean it's something that they found and they they really cherish it but maybe they don't know how to be a caretaker for it as a whole and i think i think that's what you guys

are doing i think that's pretty pretty legit yeah it takes people arrogant enough to think i can make a difference yeah let's be honest i like it so um is there anything else you guys want to get out there today fuck yeah well we just started all right let's go do episode one and two i'll do something we'll do it hey i got nothing exactly don't cut us off i'm simply trying we were an hour in an hour i don't have any hard we just started we'll come on let's just keep on going i don't uh i what's this guy here's how it goes so normally what i do with all of these, when I'm interviewing something, I have two criteria and I, that's why I don't very often get told no when I ask for interviews is I'm always nice and I try to be as respectful of their fucking time as I possibly can.

So it's like, I'm going to run in, I'm going to get in, I'm going to get this set up. Okay, you're good. You got your hour. Let's get the fuck out of here. Right? So no, you want to hang? I got, I'm not going get in, I'm going to get this set up. Okay, you're good? You got your hour? Let's get the fuck out of here, right? So, no, you want to hang? I'm not going anywhere until Saturday. I thought you were going to bring beer so we could have a good time.

I actually have them in my truck. We'll get to that. Episode two. That's episode two and a half. So you guys are going to take it from here to there. What's that process looking like for you? You guys are now coaching coaches exclusively now. That's that process looking like for you you guys are now you're coaching coaches exclusively now that's the process almost not working with athletes short of the occasional

assessment i mean we still do assessments i love i love working with people man like it's not even the i mean like i charge a lot just because i put a lot of effort into it but i i i still get so much gratification out of helping people yeah like even if it's just somebody just doesn't understand anything and they just send me a message like I'll give my time up you know if they listen I'll keep giving my time if they don't listen fuck that if they buy in like if they if they buy in like there is somebody that's my shoulder's been hurting but I was like just go do that pull and I was like I don't have time to go yeah I was like you're out now we're dones. I was like, I don't have time to go. I was like, you out. Now we're done.

I'll talk to you later. Six months later. So I'm getting shoulder surgery, but could you see me and help me rehab? And I was like, sure, $400 a month. They're like, all right. First thing that I wrote on there, go do lap pulldowns. The guy sends me a video doing lap pulldowns the next day. I'm like, why didn't you do that six months ago, dude?

It's amazing what having a little skin in the game will do yeah but there's a i mean like i i just i enjoy working with regular people i don't like like athletes are cool but just people that are truly trying and they have no other way of doing it yeah um that's what we see too is just there is no option that that's that's uh like no option. That's heartbreaking sometimes. And they've been like physio for four years now, and it's always the same stuff, and it's not working. And they can see themselves going down and down and further down the hole, and they go like, is that my way with my life?

And the worst thing is they get to a place where they go like, yeah, that's what my life is going to be. That's where we're like, fuck, no, okay, we have to help them because that level of despair just that bothers me yeah i have a you know i don't want to get into anybody's business so what i what i want to bring up those you know a couple of the assessments that we had this week we had one that just visually to me i when i talked to her afterwards you know she had had shoulder trouble for a long time then you know for 10 years and it was uh she'd been to chiropractors, physios, you know, for off and on forever.

Always kind of a pain thing. She even knew she had instability, you know, but just couldn't pin it down. You ever take her shirt off, put her hands up over her head, and we look from the back, and right away I'm like, Jesus Christ. Yeah. You're missing something, right? I told her afterwards, I said, the funny thing about that is i don't know a fucking thing and i knew that was fucked up you know what i mean yeah so you can tell something wrong right yeah okay so and but

in the last 10 years nobody has ever asked to see that yeah nobody ever say put your arms up let's see if so it's that's what i get a bit frustrated with that world is if you look, it's never larger muscle groups. It's never the large muscle. It's always a small one. Yeah. I'm like, really? So that's what's going to make you go from 500 to 600 in a deadlift is working your scapula? Yeah.

Most of your rehab stuff that you see is all little stuff. Which is okay for the first few weeks because usually because they learn that through after surgery or stuff like that but then the problem is they are taking that same approach and not taking it to our performance and that's why i'm like no yeah no no no that you cannot do yeah the thing that drives me nuts is like these people will go see the chiro or go see the physio and they'll have the same person for years and not getting better and they still have the same pain and you're like you have to go do that pull down so like ah yeah and i'm like okay if i'd gone to julian in six months i still have the same fucking issue fire like i'm sorry dude like i've spent like seven grand going to see you like i'm literally

almost living out of my car because i can't afford to go see you anymore like and i'm not fixed like how can people keep paying and have so much trust in somebody yeah and still not see results and a lot because they say that it's like no i trust my car i've seen him for five years if i spent yeah for five years yeah exactly yeah that's weird if i spent two fucking days at a restaurant and never ate any fucking food, I'd leave. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, it's like if you go to a restaurant and you get a fucking taco and it tastes like fucking Clorox, like I'm not coming back.

But the guy's like, don't wait. It's going to get better. Yeah. It's going to get better. Next time you come in, it tastes like Pine Sol. Next time you're calling off. It'll be Pine Sol and then it'll be Windex. It'll be delicious.

We're gradually progressing the taco quality. You're not ready for the taste. You're not ready to taste the best I got to offer. So we're going to bring you there. It's acquired. It's acquired. It's an acquired taste. It is an acquired taste.

It's not the tacos. It's you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't get that mentality. I see right through it. I want to go see like the is it art the active release therapies like my massage therapist like dude i felt amazing but i would go back to them next week feeling even more beat up you know and i mean i would still go see my massage service

because it's awesome but like nobody feels awesome while you do it there's no question but how long does that last it's a great additive but it's like if you don't understand how to fix the root of the problem you're just gonna end up being more and more fucked up. Like that's what happened to my shoulder. Like it ended up popping. And then I went to go see a physio. He's like, oh, well, it's probably your labrum. So you have either surgery or take the pain.

Or it just hurts now. Yeah. And I was like, fuck. So I started like just going on the internet. And then they're like, I think it was on T Nation or something. And they gave me like all the little band work. and the the pain went away i mean like i could still do rope climbs and everything and so it wasn't until i started to go see julian and doing all that shit that like i started to feel better with my shoulder i could actually bench without pain i

was like there's something there yeah like that's you know proof is in the putting yep that's what i asked really yeah did uh did you guys ever train like just like less self-aware like were you just like we're just that's most of my clients i was like no you're so athletic compared to some other people no no i mean you personally did you train you you when you when you worked out when you were younger were you did you ever just have like your nope this is my meathead phase where you were like pantera i did doyan yates program to the letter for a year and a half what'd you call that i used to literally train like six hours a day yeah like i would look at rich froning's program i was like i can do that and i double it right i was like right before i went to go see julian i was doing cj's programming plus my powerlifting plus strongman and so i wouldn't

tell him this but i would go do his stuff yeah and then i get to my gym i go do all cj's all uh invictus competitive programming and then i still add my own stuff because i was like well i want to back squat today so i'd go back squat dude everybody that looks at me now they're like what's going on like dude i used to go and do like the stupidest shit like i would literally wake up i'd go coach class i'd train i'd go have breakfast i'd train i'd coach class i'd train i'd take a nap i'd train yeah i would close down the gym i'd go buy some cake i'd eat cake while i squatted at the end of the night that was like every day until i literally would just break and i would either like my immune system would go to shit and i'd be sick for like a month and i was like quit

doing that i'm like it's why so i see so many people i wish i'd done that though my midhead face was so stupid because i did one set for three exercises i didn't get shit out of it so i wish i gone your way and go crazy instead i went the other way going like that's what all you need say you should do so that's what I'm going to do. So from 18 to 20, I didn't do shit. I barely got stronger because I wasn't doing anything. So when I get out of my meathead phase next week or something, once I'm ready to move on.

Yeah, what happened? I see a lot of people do that almost at any level with CrossFit, though, is there's that attitude of more is better. but i mean we all went through that yes and but there's a i see they'll go up get up against a nagging injury setback okay but as long as it hurts their feelings yes but as long as there's a coach to tell them look i did that we all did it yeah you're a white belt uh we all did it in jiu-jitsu uh can we talk now about being smarter about this no okay then come back when you're hurt yeah that's fine my problem is when the coach is like pussy do it again yeah go harder it's one thing rest you should do small off because

then your squat will be better yeah that's what my problem is i think it's more of yeah i don't talk about small for a time you wouldn't believe. I actually see people. I have clients all the time who will say, so I'd like to have my back squat go up. So should I just do a small off? Like, that's the go-to. Or maybe I'll just do a hatch cycle for a while. I don't even fucking know what small off is. And it's like just.

Oh, because it's all over the internet. I know. It's popular. It's crazy. If it can be on an app. It is. I think it is. It is.

Oh, it is. Yeah. So once it's there and then. it's like well that's easy to get to off we go you know and this is really the problem in the fitness industry is we need quality yeah we need better culture they just that that's the end we just need a higher quality of I'm not specially we don't need more certifications or a better one that's not true we just need coaches that want to get better yeah where it's not enough just to coach because you

make 25 bucks an hour and you're like well it's better than starbucks and uh better do that to make some money while i finish this so i do this and that's really what the problem is we just need people that go there as a vocation and we need to cultivate that culture we need to give those young guys the the that want that that are that guy who cares right we need to give him the tools to care and do better at his job and right now it's a it's such a fucking shit show in the internet where do you go to find knowledge information everywhere yeah knowledge where do you go like martial arts i. I went to John Machado. There's a Machado. I want knowledge about Jiu-Jitsu.

There's a Machado. So I'm like, please teach me Jiu-Jitsu. Not the fucking positions. You mean you didn't Google your way through Jiu-Jitsu? No, I did not. I think that was before Google. Yeah, exactly. What's that? I Googled my way to a program.

No, no, no. We had books. You had to go to the library. We had books back then about Jiu-Jitsu. Sorry. So there was no app on that shit. That's for sure. And I went to John Machado, and he books back then about Jiu-Jitsu. Sorry. So there was no app on that shit, that's for sure. And I went to John Machado, and he explained to me what Jiu-Jitsu was. What not a number, right?

What the nature of Jiu-Jitsu, what the flow. You know, especially Brazilians, they love to bullshit you about that one. But the flow, you know, like moving, the transition, all that stuff. That's what Jiu-Jitsu is, right? But if you don't have that guy to explain to you nature of it all you're learning is information and god knows there's information out there there's so much of it and that's too much information because like because like for me you know i don't have uh like a lot of you know you seek information it's easy to seek information yep so when you're trying to get better as a coach sometimes you just

are i i feel like what's what i've done for two years now is you know part of just kind of being obsessed with the whole thing is just raking in information and then and then trying to sort out the shit then it's confirmation basis yeah confirmation bias you're just looking for someone to say that you're right we had a guy at the seminar at uh in miami who wrote on the survey like he gave us a zero actually we never had a zero before so it was kind of like what so that one got read yeah and he said like you're living in fantasy land you can't apply any of the shit you're talking about it's like they're doing it they're doing it and in victus right now even for the for the game athletes they're doing it with their normal people we have five gyms it's not

even the programming he's thinking that i bet you that that you can't apply this in the real world is the privates but it's like we have five gyms doing it right now but it's like look at any look all over the world the most lucrative business is being a personal trainer yeah if you go that's why i don't get like you go to gyms like crossfit gyms are like oh well my personal uh my hour class is 50 bucks. I was like, do you know what fucking 24 Hour Fitness is charging? Because they charge 105. And those dudes, some of them have knowledge.

But, I mean, for the most part, you go from machine to machine to machine to machine. Well, look at Equinox. It's 115, 125. So, it's, I don't understand why CrossFit got off of the whole personal training bandwagon. Like, I don't know where the turn came. I think that the problem is it exploded so big that now everybody just wants to get retention. And they know that they have the cycle of members to go through. And they just try and get numbers in the building.

And that's all they care about. Yeah, but now we're going the wrong way. Because Greg Glassman started with privates, by the way. So it's always been like that because you can pay attention. So it was never about classes. But now we're getting into CrossFit gym becoming Starbucks instead of hipster coffee shops. And that worries me a little bit. Because I see more and more businesses where they're going toward those you know online business whatever they call

it like help basically those business programs yeah but that's like Infusionsoft that's mass emails like dude you're not 24 hour fitness you're not Starbucks you're the hipster coffee shops they come to you for the sense of culture of the gym the community that you're building like those small jiu-jitsu gyms that we had like it's the training at the UFC gym I'm sure they have all those champions it's not the same at that small gym where I train with John Machado because there's you know like you like if you go to a training camp in Thailand a camp is good at boxing and other one has low kicks and other ones at knees and so you rotate because they all have their own culture and everything that's that's the hipster coffee

shop right where there's its own culture the barista makes a coffee but he's like he like Ethiopians because the taste is a bit more like this and he does doesn't do 21 grams of coffee there's 23 because he likes a bit stronger and that's why you go see him because he tastes better yeah as you go starbucks they all taste the same is that what we want to have all crossfit running on infusionsoft with mass emails all tasting the same then we're going back to what they made a fun of for so long. Yeah. That worries me.

And it's hard because, you know, I'm new to that whole end of things, but that stuff seemed so appealing to me. Like the, oh, my God, thank God. Well, I just want to, good, I can farm the leads. I can manage all of that easier. Yeah, exactly. And as we've talked about that over the course of this week. Well, exactly.

And what leads anyway. And what you're not getting is, what you're not doing is then being a caretaker for your product. And your product is not your lead generation system. Your product is the difference you're making in your client. No, it's you. But you know what you're not doing when you're doing incision soft? You're not making yourself better. Yeah, exactly. That's what you're not doing.

And guess what the business is? It's you. You as a coach, you as a so you that that's the one thing now you think a computer is going to do is going to do your work like he sends email what's on the email exactly what's the content yeah because the content is what you bring to it so can you define your vision clearly like that's the you know the Quentin Tarantino stuff I saw like a few weeks back where he's talking he's saying like my job is not to build my vision my job is to Show to explain my vision so clearly That I can hire the right people that will hire the right actors for me that will express my vision on screen

So my job is not to build my vision My job is to be extremely clear about what my vision is so that people can build it So as the owner that's who you are. You are someone who is there to explain the vision so clearly your coaches know what you want so they can give that to your people. So your job is to make yourself better. And as you make yourself better,

your vision will become clearer. So a lot of time you spend sending mass emails where the content is shit anyway, and leads out of what? You don't even know the people you're talking to. Or when they're just like voiceless mass emails. Then what And leads out of what? You don't even know the people you're talking to. Or when they're just like voiceless mass emails, you know.

Then what leads are you creating anyway? Plus, you're sending it to who? People in your neighborhood? That's not a community. That's not building a community. That's not how you do it.

You do it through word of mouth. You do it through the people you know, your friends, who say, that dude is awesome. And so, you're not spending that time

to make yourself better. That's the problem with all that shit. I mean, like, even if you wanted to go that route, let's say you wanted to go that route you as a person started the gym because you want to become a better coach you want to help people exactly so you spending 10 hours of your day you know if not maybe not of the day but probably about at least 12 hours a

week yeah trying to learn how to do the fucking MailChimp and then FusionSoft. Why don't you just pay somebody to do that? Yeah. And you fucking go become a better coach so that when somebody actually comes to see you, you're not going, oh, well, you see our class schedule is this. No, tell them, hey, man, like I used to be in heating and electrician and this is what I did. And I started getting into shape because this and this happened in my life. And you actually create a connection. Why are people so afraid to have a connection with another human being

nowadays yeah like quit fucking speed dating yeah like make a connection like talk about your past make a connection about why you're in the gym every day trying to become better yeah that if they can understand that part of you and they know that when they come into the gym you're going to give them that 100 10 bucks they're in yeah like there's no way that they wouldn't be yeah but because that's true i mean the class schedule becomes an issue but how big of an issue is that give me a like they want to have a fun community like go do a barbecue on a sunday and you know that that what's funny is that that was the the piece that that maybe I didn't expect either, but I found that I spend a lot of time responding to emails telling people what my rates are and what my class schedule is.

I'm like, fuck. Okay, but that you can have someone doing that. Exactly. You will have someone doing that. By the way, you have those emails and everything, and now these two guys go through your door because they saw the email. What are you going to say? Are you going to say this is the class schedule so how are we different from 24 fitness exactly what are you going to tell them why are you

different because i go into the hipster coffee shop i know exactly what's different each has his own identity right uh different interior design because the barista behind the door when i walk in he was like dude i know it they all explained to me how to make espresso i think i think i'm like halfway there now yeah like almost open my coffee you're like the other day he's in l.a he's like so how do i make a french press i was like you're french coach it's not french that's the problem and so i'm like i'm like well heat the water to this because i used i i tried to become a good coffee mate i'm still not that good but i'm like i'm googling this i'm like i can't let Coach down. Yeah, but I can make espresso now.

But you know what I mean? Like, there's something unique about it. Like, if you're going to have 15 different CrossFit gyms in the area, it'd be unique. And I think that's the value in what can be built in the long run, just globally, too, is that everyone is going to have a voice. But the sense of community, because that's what we lost in this world, right? Like, right now it's 7 billion people and to have a sense of community because that's what we lost in this world right like right now is seven billion people and everything the sense of community like you need your own tribe now and that's what crossfit was is developing a sense of community so

if we all do the infusion stuff and every time you hear the class schedule and hey i'm like all the other ones then we lost we lost the soul of crossfit wasn't that the fun part was always the community yeah that isn't at the point like the barbecue on the weekend where everybody in the community shows up i mean that's long gone but still like it doesn't have to be yeah that was a cool part that's why i like a strongman competition is i knew all the competitors we talked uh usually like i tried to make everybody laugh because it made me less nervous and then after that we all have dinner and everything that's what i like the most about the competition.

It wasn't actually the competition itself. I can lift weight at home. I mean, it's not like... I want to get into that, actually. We had talked about a little bit, touched on the nervous system stuff. And one of the things that I noticed as we were going through is that I train really pretty one-dimensionally. I'll train loud as shit, aggressive, all external torque, a bunch of loud music.

And I do enjoy that. But when I would get to a competition, which I don't compete all the time, but every time that I do, all of that on me where it's like, and you get out there, but then there's a fucking crowd. And then there's pressure. And then you have to do this and this to maintain first place. You've got to do it now. And then things start to get overwhelming.

And then the only way that I could perform and the times that I did it well would be I would have to take a moment. Literally right before I would do the lift would be I'd have to sit sit back relax take like just a split second to chill out appreciate the fact that i'm here and then go and do it and those times would be um you know i would almost always exceed my expectations relative to how i had been training right um in that and i never maybe in my head I was like, your boy is just a fucking gamer. Turn it on when the lights are on, right? But I don't know that that necessarily was the case.

Most of events in strongman are internal torque, pressing, carries, and things like that. So internal torque would be more toward the parasympathetic nervous system. So they are mostly performed better when you're in that flow state. If you look that's what the carry is like if you tighten up usually you slow down stuff like that so most of strongman is better done in the flow state so if you chill before like you're about to do you're actually in the right nervous system and you most likely will perform better at home you are getting super excited like angry music and everything that's all sympathetic i think that particular uh nervous system did not fit the lift you were performing yeah because those lifts

you were performing should be done toward internal torque so that's the flow state and instead you were so you were partying with the wrong drugs yeah you were following yourself to go into the wrong mindset for those particular lifts and but when you were in competition because of the crowd and everything you had to go toward the parasympathetic more and that put you into the right torque chains in order to perform the lift and everything, you had to go toward the parasympathetic more. And that puts you into the right torque chains in order to perform the lift. And you ended up performing better.

Yeah. So literally, your mindset can affect your training in a competitive state. But we know that. Yeah, and for me, it was like, Jesus, how much better would it be if I wasn't training in the opposite way? Yeah, if you train correctly.

You do that all the time, man. Really? Anytime I ask you to deadlift, you're squatting. Anytime i'm asking you to squat you're deadlifting so i'm like okay we can work on this yeah that's a drawing board yeah it's it's actually nice for me actually because like when i when i had started in crossfit it was one of those things where i was like i knew going in at least at the point where i was at where i was like god i am just i am fat and i'm out of shape and i knew i knew going in i wasn't going to be good at anything so that part like i like i had that expectation what was the first workout my first okay so i did like an on-ramp course so no joke

the first workout was i think like eight no it was 10 minutes of something simple like uh maybe 8 10 12 like air squats and push-ups and sit-ups or something like that go fucked my entire world up and remember that back pump we're talking about today i had that before we even got to the workout just for them teaching me how to air squat and i couldn't air squat at that time i was like i was like 360 pounds of mashed potatoes. So I'm like sitting back to a 30-inch box. And I'm like back and up. And I'm fucking just dying. It was the worst.

But so then I got my ass kicked for like six or eight months by literally everybody. Oh, yeah. You're much better now. How's the ass kicking going? Fuck. Your boy got nothing done in the last two years. But I got to, but so anyway, that's a feeling that like, I have actually never had any delusions about being good at CrossFit, per se. You know what I mean? Like, I know better than that. I'm not making the games anytime soon. I know better than that. I just enjoy it. But this week has been like, it was like right back to when I started,

which is actually good. You guys saw how frustrated I got sometimes with those things. But that was usually, like that part of it, I kind of like. The like, all right, bitch. No, it's not that. You're looking at it too harshly. It's like i'm asking you to engage your nervous system you're not used to dip into and everything i'm asking you things that

are very very hard to do for me that frustration wasn't uh it wasn't like i had an expectation that frustration is uh it's actually like all right you know now you've got work to do which is good like i think that's how you learn yeah like i don't think if i came to it i don't think if you patted me on the back and you said hey tyler you're doing all right though i mean you know you just do the thing like that wouldn't have done it you have to sit there and be like fuck fuck yeah but that's i go through it sometimes i can't figure out stuff and i'm like why are you so fucking stupid yeah like i i how come i didn't figure out the nervous system before yeah like it's not that complex to figure out i just did it's not that i just did i did how come i didn't figure out

before so i go through that all the time yeah like right now it's annoying me that i can't control certain things yeah and so but that's how i know i'm gonna fix it yeah this frustration is is necessary yeah and i think that's and i think that frustration though was what got me with where you like in the beginning where i like would buckle down and be like, all right, this is fucking, I'm doing this thing now because I'm upset. It's a challenge. Good. Then we succeeded. And that's where I was back at today, yesterday, the day before with those things. It was like, all right, we're back to where like, you know, now it's good to feel like you have so much stuff that you now can learn but that's see that's what but it's good see that's why i like chess yeah because no matter what that fucking computer drills me every morning i feel like a bitch left i'm like i talk

but my cheeks are still numb from the bitch slapping that's how i feel every morning and i mean but that's good because i need that because I'm like, man, am I that fucking stupid? Well, compared to computer level 10, I am. Because if you just crushed Richard every morning in chess,

you'd never get anywhere. Take it easy. He doesn't compete in chess. Exactly. No, I don't. I just get crushed by the computer.

But I like to be crushed. I don't like it, but I like to be crushed by the computer because it's like, okay, well, there's a fucking road

ahead of me to get better. That's for sure. And that's why I do it. It's like, okay, well, there's a fucking road ahead of me to get better. That's for sure. And that's why I do it. It's like, okay, if I don't have that frustration of, I just got fucking drilled. What is this? Dude, think faster. And I'm like, dude, think faster. Okay, that's it.

Stop fucking around. Don't let your ego get in the way and think like you're the shit. Just think faster. Okay? And then I'm very, I'm not harsh on myself, but like, dude, stop. Yeah. Stop letting your ego decide that think like you're the shit you think faster okay and then I'm very I'm not harsh on myself but like do stop yeah stop letting your ego decide that you think you're good because and then start actually paying attention the second you think you're good you stop paying attention so for me that's that's that's the greatest thing is that frustration right there but it shouldn't

lower your self-esteem either yeah yeah it is necessary to go through it and because he makes you think dude stop, stop your ego from stopping you from learning, basically. Stop your ego. So it's good. What are you, you know, like most people have to, when they're seeking knowledge or information, they're going to go to, they'll find a person who knows more than them or is further ahead. Who are you learning from at the moment anymore? Me.

Like, yeah, are you just now you're just working on yourself with yourself yes you know yes i am i'm i on the stage where like because they always ask me which book i'm like there is no book i didn't write it i haven't written it yet and i'm just like i i figured out a bunch of it i was like just just keep pushing it i can do this i can figure this out so i'm like okay then just get the shit out of your head, out of the way. Yeah, we watch the most boring videos sometimes. Like I hear him watching. He's like watching like some dude explaining a mathematical equation.

I'm like, how are you not asleep right now, coach? Seriously. Because it's fascinating. Like Idris Avrakhin was really good. Yeah. Idris Avrakhin was really good. Yeah. It's just the quantum mechanics is I'm trying to understand how they go through the frustration of dealing with something they cannot conceptualize.

You cannot conceptualize quantum mechanics. It makes because you never dealt with it. So none of this that makes sense at that level makes sense in real life. That means you cannot conceptualize it. You can't visualize quantum mechanics. The rules are not the same. So how do you deal with something you cannot conceptualize? It's not possible to conceptualize quantum mechanics. vous ne pouvez pas conceptualiser, vous ne pouvez pas visualiser les mécaniques quantiques, les règles ne sont pas les mêmes. Donc comment vous déroulerez quelque chose que vous ne pouvez pas conceptualiser? Ce n'est pas possible de conceptualiser les mécaniques quantiques.

Si je parle des 11 dimensions, qu'est-ce que ça veut dire? Parce qu'il veut dire que c'est si petit, il y a des dimensions qui sont si petites qu'elles ont leur propre existence là-bas, mais on ne les voit pas parce qu'elles sont trop petites. Donc il y a d'autres dimensions, on ne sait juste pas où elles sont parce qu'elles sont trop petites. They have their own existence in there, but we can't see them because they're too small. So there are other dimensions. We just don't know where they are because they're too small. So you can't visualize any of this by definition, right? Because you don't see it because the smallest thing you see. But yet they managed to get breakthrough and basically change the world out of things they cannot conceptualize.

That fascinates me. Imagine the frustration they must go through. But they solve it through math. So math is their way of looking at the universe right and so i'm like so i need to find and so right i'm doing right now is i'm basically writing my own calculus my own map so that i can figure this out and so that's what i do and i'm like wondering when i'm gonna eat next i'm like i get hungry juliet's kind of writing his own calculus and i'm like he's a burger but so that's yeah but that's that's what i'll do we're like we need to rewrite the entire fitness book you know like we need a lot of stuff

we we took movement down to the binary system of torque and i was like we just need to start changing things because doing rope pulls and it is a push so now that's that stuff we're like okay it's time to kind of yeah and which actually is Richard who said it and he was right it was like dude stop using other terms and create your own yeah I think we have to start doing this yeah do you um do you think like like writing it down having everything in a book or or some sort of format because i feel like right now you're coming out you're able to imprint this stuff in in people and in communities by doing the the seminars the coaches week the mentoring all that stuff but at some point it needs to be put kind of set in stone yeah but i know it's maybe too fluid right

now is first of all it's fluid but right now it's too early. They'll just shoot me down. Yeah. Because everything I say, I'm not actually completely crazy. Some of it is true. So it will get in the way of a lot of people's business. Yeah. Or at least it will force them to reconsider certain things. Just like Wim Hof did in his own way.

I mean, I'm not Wim Hof. But in his own way, he forced a lot of the medical community to go like huh but so imagine at first they're like no but it's taken years yeah exactly and at first they were like no bullshit like that guy who went to uh who wrote the book about wim hof went there basically to disprove him to prove that what he said was bullshit and so but wim hof told him how to do it he was like fuck me that actually works but so if i go out like that it'll just shoot down the messenger so they'll shoot me down yeah because they won't it's not there like once i've reached a certain level maybe the concern that i would have i guess that this is just the thing that i've you know

observed it was uh you know i had done a lot of not a lot I guess but I had done a fair amount of corresponding with Chris Moore and one of the things you know after he passed that I that was one of the things that kind of lit a fire in me to go and be like all right fuck it we're just going to do all this shit like all of it because you can go now and had he not at the very least gotten his maybe just enough of his feelings or enough of his writing out there there it would be very difficult for that to have carried as far as it even already has. That is true.

So you're afraid I'm going to die soon, that's what you're saying? No. Thank you. I feel very comforted. Not afraid. If you fuck with the central nervous system from the wrong way, go.

You are playing with fire there, buddy. I'm getting interesting results. But it is one of those things where anything can happen. It would be really unfortunate to... Because maybe in your head you're closer to some things than you're all putting out there. And it'd be a shame to just have that all go. That is true. That is very true.

But also it's probably hard to work on things, develop things, and then also get it down. It's just like everything is very always fluid with me because I'm just constantly hunting something. And I would have to take so much time to write a book that right now the logistics aren't there. Like we have seminars too often for me. Like I would have to take three days and completely block myself to go there and come back for seminars.

That means in the meantime the system will not move forward. And right now what drives me forward is to get the answers. Right now there's a few answers I need. To sleep at, oh excuse me, I'm not sleeping at night. But there's a few answers I need about certain things. So I want to figure this out. And once I quiet down and I'm reasonably happy with certain findings, I'll'll have some but then we need

someone to go on the road with us and to be there and to just start to write down because I can't I can't spend six hours a day writing that's not gonna happen yeah I need my brain works a very very specific way yeah it's just that's the way it is it is what it is like yeah it's just it is very specific and so but if i had someone there who could just write down every time i because i'll i'll go it's two in the afternoon and i'm like huh and then i just figure out something and then that's it for the next six hours yeah so that's what richard knows i'll go quiet because that means something is spinning really hard in my head and i'm like oh i need to figure this out and then it's like where's the fucking pen then we start writing on the windows and i'm like uh and i'm like okay let

me figure this out yeah how have you two figured out how to because you guys are traveling a lot and you're staying in the same space yeah um is that something that you could have a i feel like you can have a good business relationship with somebody. And even that, that alone would be a stressor. I've traveled with friends. I've traveled with my spouse, but you get,

I'd rather travel with him than with Dave. It's probably because I'm single and he's there. You get, you get a, you get a couple of weeks in and you're like, all right, these people need to go home. Never.

That's never been a thing. So it's come together good. Ever. I don't know. On the contrary. We have the time where we're like, oh, we should go to Mexico. Like, yeah, let's go to Mexico together.

Even like, so he leaves for two weeks. I'm like, dude, I'm bored. Can we go back on the road and do shit? We have a good time. I think we get along. We don't invade each other's space so like you know he had like was it was that inherent or was that something that you guys did did you have to uh i suppose you had known each other long enough well we'd known each other for a while and then it was like when the whole thing actually came about he was like yeah we'll just get airbnbs was like cool I was like I'm get to travel to Europe like I'm

stoked on life who cares I always respected him I honestly know I would never even talked about it he's been like yeah cool we'll live together awesome big family they don't when he needs to go somewhere like I'll take yeah yeah we'll have like you know like yeah if we like we'll do like today I have a date night with it with Deya and he's gonna take her to the movies and it's super mellow yeah it's very mellow yeah it's never been we go to i mean we go to we have a playstation 4 yeah we play once in a while you know put the vr on and then off we go that fucking vr is it oh it's not fucking gnarly it's 20 minutes though that's what i got you go

to that i'm sick does it get too weird to you yeah like i get headache i mean i get i get stressed the fuck out with that i yeah it's kind kind of funny. It drives me, yes. My thing with the VR stuff is the scary stuff. Oh, it's scary, all right. Well, because it's so cheap. Like, if you go to a scary movie, the bop thing, like if that's on the big screen, you're like, oh, fuck you. You know what I mean?

When it's VR and you're hearing it as you turn your head, it gets weirder back there and back there. And then you can know that it's going to do it and be like, fuck. You're like, I don't want to turn. I don't want to turn. Your stress level goes up. You can watch a movie and go, these motherfuckers. Someone's going to jump out.

This is stupid. But you put it on the vr and there's too much did you play resident evil yet with no oh walking into the into the room you go like i'm not walking into that house i am the game doesn't let you go anywhere else i'm like i don't care i'm staying right here i am not walking into that house where's the police right now this is not where i want why is that guy walking funny over there why would i go there can't we just go hike the mountains suddenly you're really smart yeah you're like why would i walk over there? Why would I go there? Can't we just go hike the mountains or something? So maybe you're really smart. You're like, why would I walk over there with a weirdo who's there?

In a movie, you go, let's see what happens. In VR, you're like, I'm not going there. Or if you're playing a video game with your thumb sticks and watching it on TV, you're like, take your gun out. We're fucking running into this thing. Yeah, no, no, no, dude. I've literally gone like, no, too stressed. I'm done.

I'm going to go through it. That is interesting, though, when you do the VR because it's your – You become really smart. It's like there's just a certain amount of stimulus that then you can no longer avoid. So like you can ignore it if it's on a movie, even if you're in a theater. But then you can hear it on the VR. But you can hear it. What was that?

You can't look away from it. So it's just immersive enough. And then on the creaky floor, you go, oh, fuck me. And those little details are so overwhelming people have to try they don't understand how scary it gets like yeah yeah refuses to play yeah she saw it on tv she's like i'm not putting it on all the time yeah she talks shit to you while you're scared she like scares you yeah i'm like it's just like no i'm not doing that i'm like that's not even fair.

That's interesting. I think, I really, I think that's like, and I still think it has so far to go. Like the VR stuff. Once you can watch movies like that, it would be fucking insane though because you're in it. Some of the content has potential but still kind of blows. Like there was one that I saw that was like, the concept was so cool but they did such a bad job you were like watching some uh you were just like a guy movie oh it was a short movie yeah but it was it was really short it was only like a five minute thing you're just a dude in a garage with like six other dudes and there's some sort of drug deal going on and then it goes bad and people are

shooting and flying and you're like what the fuck fuck is happening? And it was a cool sensation, but like the acting was shitty. The CGI was terrible. And it was short. But like, if you could get, if someone would make like, uh,

Avengers level, $150 million VR movie. They have one, uh, first person movies now. Yeah. First person shooter movies. I would love that.

That will come to the vr where you you're the you'll have a full movie where you're the guy yeah and you're oh yeah it'll be it'll be insane give it 10 years i mean and the shit will be completely insane yeah you guys are now you guys are traveling you have just uh suitcases full of shit yeah 23 kilos per yeah that's that's what you can carry so we have yeah how interesting is that when when I travel it's very common

where I'm like okay so I'm in this place time to buy some shit and you almost can't you've gone yeah we try not to anymore but yeah

shoes shoes your problem when you got when you got size 15 shoes you just know better because they take up too much space

yeah but like we went some really cool places like in London yeah there's that one place in London I'm like dude When you have size 15 shoes, you just know better because they take up too much space. Yeah, but like we went to some really cool places. Yeah. There's that one place in London. I'm like, dude, I'm not walking in today. Yeah. Because I know I'll buy something, so I'm not going. I think the cool thing about it is you also, because it's so, because you're, you know, what you have is now so condensed.

You know, you don't have housefuls of shit. Right. Everywhere. You don't have a garage full of stuff. Like I won't buy anything that's cheap anymore. Yeah, so what you have is like three or four pairs of some bomb-ass shoes. And like everything you've – 506.

Seven. Yeah. Jesus Christ. It's half a suitcase. Yeah. I'm sorry. I do have a problem. So I have a suitcase for my shirts and my pants and my shoes.

And yeah. Shoes like, you know, bespoke in Thailand. Yeah. From scratch. Yeah. Yeah. Those are the things though. It's like, all right, well, you know, you don't have it all sunk into fucking two BMWs.

You've got the shit that you have and you might as well have that be awesome. Yeah. Like now it's just, for me, it's invest in experiences and create good memories and yeah so you know like i just keep looking at restaurants we need to document it better because we had some cool moments like i mean that's all i look at now is like we're going here so what's the cool thing that we could do or what's a good food experience what's something that the normal person doesn't get to do so i want to try and go that route um you know like going to paris and going to the eiffel tower like that's cool but that's what that's such a beautiful city i'll find better there's way more i'll find this stuff you can't

find anywhere else yeah so that's in clubs certain things i mean i i jumped in dubai coach somehow got sick and busy and no no no no no he got sick not me oh he got sick yeah no no I skim he got sick not me I haven't jumped yet but that was that was really cool experience I with the skydiving stuff I'm like yeah you know there's a weight limit and I'm always over it so it makes that decision for me because it is skinny guy attached to you in the bed if you're fit you can still do it can't oh are you still way over this point? I'm just going to tell them I'm not fit. Dude, they drop like trucks and tanks out of airplanes.

I'm sure you'll be okay. The one they had here that my wife did, and I think the weight limit there was like 270. Okay. And I was like, well, it's going to be a long road to that. I don't need to turn into that guy just so I can jump out of a plane. That's fun, man. It's a good time. So, what else anything

else you guys want to get out there today oh yeah we have two hours hour 45 okay no i mean uh next seminar is in france it's gonna be absolutely awesome yeah we'll be in new york at the beginning of the year uh and january where's all your seminars listed at is that on the website yeah it's on the strongfit.com and on the StrongFit page under events. Gotcha. So we're going France, then we're going Vienna, then we're going to Utrecht, so Holland for Coaches Week. Yeah, London.

Then we have London, then we have Sweden. Switzerland, Germany. Switzerland, Germany twice. I think that's the land of it. And then after that, we're going to Canada. So I'm going to speak at the Wadapalooza. Gotcha. And then we're going to Canada.

Then we're going to New York. Then after that, no, we have San Diego too in December. San Diego in December. San Diego in December. Then after that, we have London at the end of January. And right now, that's as far as we're booked, I think. No, we have stuff in February too, I think. I think so.

I think it goes into March. I think we're into the open. Because then we need to open. So the opening is next. When you're out into February of next year, is that fully booked between now and then? Yeah. That's crazy.

We try to not overbook it, but then somehow we got where I think we're working like four weeks almost in a row. We have like weekends off and then like a week off. But now we're trying to do like… It becomes a lot. Yeah, it gets tiring. So it's like seminar, coaches week, then like a full seven days off, and then seminar a week off but now we're trying to like it becomes a lot yeah it gets tiring so it's like seminar coaches week then like a full seven days off and then seminar coaches week at the beginning of this year we worked like three weeks in a row yeah it just it takes away

your training it takes away everything because you're just like even the fun of like at the end i was so tired we didn't visit the city i was just yeah i need to i just want to i need to relax and yeah and it's your coaches week is taxing because it's 10 people but it's that We didn't visit the city. I was just, dude, I need to crash. And Coach's Week is taxing because it's 10 people, but it's that constant attention. And it's constantly on. Yeah, there's no – but that's what I noticed with this is we're not – like there's a few things where you're giving just straight-out instruction, but a lot of times it's, you know, we'll throw something at you

and now you have to very clearly and concisely explain that on the fly that's the point which i'm very happy to do yeah that's exactly uh it seems like i'd be like very very mentally like jello by the end of a day like that yeah i'm so tired of answering questions and trying to do it the right way yeah but then i got a 12 year old going daddy daddy daddy daddy daddy daddy and i'm yeah, I got to go take care of her now. Yeah. Crazy. Crazy. Yeah. So it's, but it's, I couldn't be happier. And then we have the coaching mentoring program going on as well.

Yeah. Yeah. And now we're going to start the owner's mentoring program as well. And so that's more work on top of it because then we have the Q&As. We have all the stuff. And then we're trying to, I need to be better at doing the vlogs again. And so those days turn into like weeks really really fast yeah yeah i can't which is great but don't get me wrong i'm not complaining it's the best life i'm not complaining my life is better than i ever

dreamed it would be yeah good problems are still problems though they got to be managed so you know what i mean but they're all doing a great job about it honestly right now i'm mostly just focusing on you know like the identity of strong fit all doing a great job at it honestly right now I'm mostly just focusing on you know like the identity of StrongFit and they handle most of the stuff I really don't do that much

that's good proper delegation always how he does most of the that's what Big Richard's for I'm the why Richard is the how he deals with all the hows

I just do the why yeah and he does it all with a tremendous hairline I try he does and the smile and the smile and the

smile don't forget this richard's got the flyest hair and all the fitness exactly it's gotta be good that's what the waitress at the restaurant next to the gym said yeah latino clark kent hashtag latino clark kent or mexican mexican clark kent mexican uh johnny bravo mexican johnny bravo i got called mexican johnny bravo four times when I was in London in one day. I was like, is this a conspiracy? It's kind of a nice thing. I had like a good little poof going. Yeah.

I got called a Mexican. That's awesome. Well, they can find everything that you guys got. Also, you guys sell sandbags, ropes, have the Optimus line. Yeah, we do. What else is sold on the – is that about it for stuff? it we're gonna have shirts coming up yeah what the fuck yeah i know they're coming yeah he's on it now i saw one of the one of the gals at coach's week had a strong fit shirt i was like i was like oh i need one of those and then i went on the

website i'm like these yeah exactly we'll start getting them you have to own them no coach is very meticulous about what he wants so the problem is if we're not here we can't see the quality of the shirt and then it becomes a pain in the ass and also it's tough to the quality of the shirt you almost have to hold a sample yeah and if you're not if you're not anchored somewhere that's the point because i know that there's only two shirts i know for sure so i'm like well it has to be one of those two it's like well what i want like i don't know because i didn't try it yeah we do the same thing it has to be it's not uncommon for us like we ordered like some women's shirts and that shit's hard to like like well it's hard to guess so we yeah but if it's not uncommon for us. We ordered some women's shirts, and that shit's hard to guess.

Yeah, but if it's not the way I want, we're not selling it. So we went through like four samples before we found a women's shirt that the women we had tried on were like, oh, I like this. The first four were like, fuck this. And imagine if we just went with it. Exactly. That's what worries me. And you sold the shirts, but they'd have been pissed. Yeah, and that's worse. That's worse. I feel And you sold the shirts, but they'd have been pissed. Yeah. And that's worse.

Yeah. So. That's worse. I feel your pain there, man. Yeah, I know. That's a funny thing. The absolutely never lucrative t-shirt industry.

Right. Oh yeah, we're not doing this for the money. That's for sure. Yeah, the t-shirts is just so people can have the strong face.

But the problem with travel so much too is like, where do you send the samples? Yeah. By the time they send it, we're gone already. T-shirts are basically like hopefully revenue neutral advertising exactly that's exactly what it makes people happen yeah right on guys well i can't

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