Massenomics Podcast - Ep.92: PRP Injections

Episode Date: January 8, 2018

This week, Professor Schanz joins the rest of the Massenomics team to discuss a treatment you've probably heard about before: PRP Injections. Schanz breaks down the science behind the procedure, the actual process, and his personal experiences with the treatment. Tune in to find out how it went for him, and whether or not it's something he'd recommend for strength athletes.

Welcome to Massanomics, the world's strongest podcast. Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at Massanomics. Make sure you go visit massanomics.com. There you'll find the rest of our powerful content. While you're there, check out our store and buy yourself some of that sweet Massanomics gear. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this week's episode of the Massanomics Podcast. I am here. My name is Tyler. Next to me, as always, is Tommy. What's up?

Across the way is Tanner. Hey, everybody. How's it going? And look who we have here. Professor Shanz is in the house. Howdy, folks. Hi, Austin. So this week we're just going to start diving in right away to the things we're going to talk about. Let's go to the non-Shanz topic first so we can get that out of the way because we want to give Shanz a little bit of space to run with what he's got here. Sure.

It's been a while since I've been on here. I've got to get used to how it works. Ease into it. Be right in the spotlight. Listen, I'd just like you to go for 45 minutes now. Tanner, we had talked a little bit about strength lifting, which is basically a competition in the vein of power lifting, but a little different.

Yeah, exactly. And it's kind of a legit thing. I think the federation is called U.S. Strengthlifting Federation. If you Google strengthlifting, it'll be like the first thing that pops up. But right off the bat, the biggest difference from powerlifting and strengthlifting is the events. So there's still a squat, of course. There's still a deadlift. But the middle event is not a bench press.

It is a standing overhead strict press. So that is the largest difference. Is that the only change? No. Okay. No, that's just like... Did you say total game changer when you heard that? I mean, it's certainly different.

For someone that is a huge fan of the bench press, you're going to want nothing to do with this, I would assume. Didn't they used to have, wasn't the overhead press used to be an Olympic? Yeah, that was a part of the Olympic, that's right. They took it out because people were doing the freaking limbo with it. The back bend, where you're like... Yeah, so they would basically turn it into this weird... So it used to be the clean and press.

And then... God, I'm going to fuck this all up. But the events, there used to be like three lifts too. There was like the snatch and there was the clean and press. And there might have been the clean and jerk or just the... Yeah, it was crazy. So you used to clean and then just press it out. But yeah, that used to be in the Olympics.

And maybe just the press was another one. I don't remember. We're probably speaking out of line there but there's something wasn't the whole reason they took it out was the safety because people were leaning back so hard then it got questionable i think about was it actually an overhead press i mean because you were like making it a bench press almost yeah it's just an inclined press at that point and i don't know actually that like that leaning back on a press is probably actually all that dangerous, actually. Because the way you do it, it doesn't actually end up on your back. Because if you even look now at how, like, the strongest guys in the world, you look at how Eddie Hall's, that 475-pound axle clean and press he did.

I think Dimitar did some 400-pound shit the other day. axle clean and press he did i think dimitar did some 400 pound shit the other day all of them have that big lean and it's this weird mix of like a little bit of leg drive and stability and then fucking kind of an incline position you know it's they're way back gnarly but it really is a lot of chest right which is a lot safer for your shoulders. But it's kind of interesting. But did you hear anything on why they chose that lift over the bench? Well, the biggest reason here, anyone that knows Mark Ripito, he is not the starter of this federation, but this is strongly influenced by him,

and he is friends with the people that did. Does he also smile? Not that I know of. Just curious. Not that I know of. Just curious. Not that I've ever seen. But it is heavily influenced by him, but he did not create it. So anyone that's ever read Starting Strength, there's a chapter on the overhead press.

He's a big advocate of the overhead press. He's not, I would say, against the bench press. He still teaches the bench press in starting strength, but if you were to ask him, I know he would say he thinks the overhead press is a better lift generally, maybe a safer lift, and also a better test of overall upper body strength. I know I've heard him say that before whether i believe that to be true or not i i'm not sure maybe it is maybe it isn't what do you guys think what's a better what's a better ultimate test of your upper body strength the bench press or the overhead press upper body strength yeah that's kind of what he said about well yeah probably but like upper body

strength but it also requires your total body i I think it's where that comes from from him. I would say it's better for total body, but maybe just upper body bench press because you don't use the chest at all when you're doing overhead. And then with the bench, obviously – Chest, triceps. Chest, triceps, shoulders, even your lats a little bit to control on the way down. So I don't know. Yeah.

Yeah. leaving your lats a little bit to control on the way down. So I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, and I don't do enough overhead pressing to, I feel like to really have a solid say in this because I also feel like a big part of it that a problem is is you get people that do push press and people that do jerks. And very few people actually, from what I've seen,

do actual strict overhead pressing. And this is in the competition of uh so this is called the sport i would say if you call powerlift a sport we'll call this a sport uh and if we want to separate enough to call it something different but it's called strength lifting but the competitions aren't strength lifting meets they're just their strength meets i've heard that before. That's the correct nomenclature for that. Some other interesting differences, the deadlift event in a typical powerlifting meet, you can deadlift conventional or sumo. In strength lifting or strength meets, you can only deadlift conventional. Your hands have to be outside of your legs when you do the deadlift. And some of the reasons,

I'm curious to hear you guys' opinions on this this but some of the reasons for that that i've heard is it's a more accurate comparison when you're comparing two people it's basically you're comparing across the same lift in powerlifting there was a time the only thing that happened was conventional deadlifting sumo deadlifting didn't exist yet and then someone eventually walked up to the bar and put their hands inside of their legs and decided they can i had never even thought about like in my mind sumos existed as long as deadlift i think it was like boris chico or how he's named he had a post on instagram and i think he was saying and like it was like ipf worlds in 91 or something and he said i think it was a guy from japan walked up to the bar and did a sumo deadlift.

And it was the first time he had ever seen that. And everyone was like, oh, what is that? And the fact that... Like, seriously. Yeah, that's weird. Like, just in my mind, they've always both existed. But what they say is it's really two different disciplines. So I want to back up before we get further into this.

really two different disciplines. I want to back up before we get further into this. That scene where that guy walks into the deal and just stands with his leg wide and grabs the bar and pulls it. You ever seen the movie Semi-Pro? Will Ferrell. He's the basketball player, the Afro, the Full Tropics. At the end, all of a sudden,

they lob the ball up to the only black guy on the team. They do the alley-oop. They just lob the ball up to the only black guy on the team. They do the alley-oop. Don't they do it repeatedly? The ref blows the whistle, and they're like, I think that's illegal. Probably. I don't know why. And I envision that's probably what happened the first time someone lifted Sumo in a meet. They're just like red-lighted him and then couldn't quite quantify why.

It seems to match the rules, but it doesn't look right. It doesn't look like you don't get to do that. But that's what they said at the time there was talk, and they believe at the time there was a lot of talk that they should have just outlawed that right away when people started doing it. Yeah, because it is a different lift. It is the biggest variation.

It's like having two squats. Right. It is the biggest variation. It's like having two squats. Right. It is the biggest variation you see across the big three. Right. Besides that, you'll see a wide grip or an air grip edge. I've never thought about it too much before this, but the more I've thought about that, I believe it to be, I mean, it's a lip, just from a body or a muscular structure standpoint, it is a different lift. It is a different lift.

It'd be nice to, because these things are documented now, and I'm sure someone has looked into this, to actually dive in and see the body type that it favors. correctly i thought i read something like in ipf worlds last year like under uh what's the weight class like one or 205 under 205 you're getting like a crazy high percentage of people pulling sumo and then over that people aren't pulling sumo as much and it's like look so if that is is it like a small person's lift like probably a short person short person is probably what it is more than anything anyone and listening anyone listening to this that is a sumo. They probably think we're bashing on them. They're going to be like, you guys are idiots. Of course you sumo.

Anyone that's what they're really good at, they're going to support it. I suck at deadlifting, so I don't care either way. But I don't know. That kind of, you know, I can wrap my head around that. But Strongman has taken that position of sumo deadlifts. Sumo deadlifts aren't a deadlift. Yeah. To me, even CrossFit as a competition don't allow sumo deadlifting.

To me, that has Ripito written all over it. Like, that's his influence. Like, if you read about, even his conventional deadlift, like, if you get your butt down and kind of squat, he hates that. When he talks about performing on a deadlift, he wants those hips high. To me, that seems like a rip-off to him. When I teach the sumo deadlift, I teach it basically as a squat, but it's a squat that is really dependent upon mobility. I don't let people take the sumo position and then hinge.

The sumo, I will only allow that Uri Belkin fully upright position, which means they start from high blocks, and then the blocks can come out until the weight is heavy enough to where it pulls them and they have to hinge it up. Then that's as far as you're allowed to do that. You work that squat, that jump. That has value. It carries over to lots of other things.

But I do see people take the sumo position and then fucking get pulled forward. And it's like you're just standing with wide legs and narrow hands. And doing a conventional deadlift. And doing a conventional deadlift. But the ones who are great at it don't do that. Yeah, very true. But that's why I just take it that way.

But it is interesting, though, that you do say that it is two different things. Does CrossFit in the games, they don't allow sumo either, do they? I've never, ever seen it. And I know that they don't teach it. They don't at all. I can also see the standpoint of it's the same thing because the goal of the deadlift, there's a weight on the ground, a barbell, you pick it up. Much like the bench.

I will defend it a little bit for the competition in that you can have a super fucking gnarly arch in your bench. You can. You can grip as wide or as narrow as your anatomy favors the most. We don't have

any requirements on bench. you know what if you're super short you have very short arms and yet you grip the bar on a bench all the way out to the as wide as the rack goes well you can't you have to be on the rings well but but as far as that moment like as far just as that far and so like you can you know like that's restricts your range of motion that's and and you can arch the arch is the like you can you know like that's restricts your range of motion that's and and you can arch the arch is the other thing that you know they let slide like you're moving the bar four inches some people some have to move it a lot um it's i don't know i i don't know that i if you'd you'd be hard pressed to delete the sumo now going back to what you're talking about

having a restriction on how far you can put your arms out, maybe they need a restructuring. For the sumo. That would be something. But I think the thing is arms outside. The designation is arms outside the legs. Yeah, yeah. That's how they're limiting it. Yeah, yeah. Right, but I mean, I guess, you know, I was just saying if you wanted to allow both. You know, when people try to restrict or, like, decrease the range of motion the range of motion they eat their legs really wide it becomes weird relative to height even

though it's probably still in benefit of short people like i could pull sumo when i when i do pull sumo my toes are if my toes slipped and i put the bar down i would fucking lose a toe like i am all the way out well and to the bar like now some of the craziest sumo lifts you see like and i'm not talking like yuri belkin or like kaylor williams but like you will see some really crazy sumo deadlifts on instagram and like they tend to have like some some reoccurring themes in them and it's like one the person is very short they have an absolute maxed out with on their stance they're using a deadlift bar which gives them more on their stance they've had straps in probably narrower onto the smooth even their arms

have been surgically lengthened and then they have the whippiest bar with the widest plates and by the time the whole thing completes the bar has gone six to eight inches off the ground and it's like yes i get it yeah you did it but it's it's kind of different it's it is and it's like it's one of those things it's like your your mom's proud of you i'm you worked probably pretty hard but like yeah i i don't know i so anyway back to the the strength lifting thing oh we're still talking about that but something else that you said that i i've heard people talk about the the bench press and the rules of the grip width so some people think person going all the way out it's a different it's different and that is 130 pound woman versus a 300 pound man not even that

100 and what's the smallest weight class room in like 98 or 101 they can grip the bar as wide as blaine sumner and which is And not only that, they do. Yeah. And they do. Because it's a mechanical advantage. Whereas the 250-pound lifter or whatever. Which is probably, aside from the general anatomical reasons, probably why a super-wide stance sumo is beneficial for a short person.

If you're a 385-pound power lifter, moving your feet super wide stance sumo is beneficial for a short person if you're a 385 pound power lifter like moving your feet super wide like you're probably already six foot four so it doesn't like that's not that wide to you that's not that great of an advantage whereas if you did have narrow feet you get to push up against your power belly anyways which probably is better than just you know like so the advantage of going wide feet all the way out to the plates, just like for a lighter person on the bench, like it just gets you less of an advantage for the big man. Yeah. Yeah.

But all those things we're talking about, the bench press is all a part of what they talk about of switching this to the overhead press though. Which makes sense. So you get rid of all, all that BS. They even talk about the grip width on this because you can take on the overhead press, they'll like you put your hands as narrow or as wide as you want to because if you put your hands out here on an overhead press,

you have no tricep strength. It's a bad position. Everyone's strengths just dictate where they're going to go and there's no big advantage to putting your hands way out here. And there's no big arch you can get off of a bench. So there's kind of some points to be made there. All this being said, I really like the bench press. I mean, listen, there's a lot of ways a guy can get big shoulders.

But, like, you know, big pecs, cash checks. Big benching is fun. Does any other lift really even matter at the end of the day? Listen, I'll tell you what. I'm a big guy, and nobody comes up to me, asks right away, how much can I overhead press? Which is unfortunate, because that's probably my best bet. I wish they would

and even if you told them they wouldn't really even understand what you're saying we've said it before when people that aren't necessarily all that into lifting as much as we are they just ask you how much can you lift like that's the thing i bet yeah i've been asking that all the time i'm like i'm like i lift all of it. But what they're asking is how much can you bench press. That is like almost 90-some percent of the time. But instead what I say is whatever weight of any lift I lift that is the heaviest, and they can think that that's how much I bench press. Okay, Dr. Seuss.

You just tell people you're deadlift, and then they're going to go around and be like, did you know that if someone comes and says, Tanner, how much do you lift? You'll say, oh, about 700 pounds. And they're going to be like, did you know that Tanner benches 700 pounds? Bad shoulder and all. Another thing, they... Oh, there's Fletch. Oh, there.

This motherfucker. Have a seat at the table. Let's get him a mic. He's going to smell some butts and head on out. The judges... Fletch, not Sean's. You can smell some butts too if you want to. No thanks.

The judges are taken out. They are not a part of the competition. Their job is to judge. So what I mean by that is in the bench press and the powerlifting meet the judge is a part of the competition their job is to judge so what i mean by that is in the bench press in a power lifting meet the judge is a part of the lift down there yes there's a command to go down there's a command to press so your lifting is sometimes changed or dictated by the judge's performance yeah they'll set the pace for sure how fast he chooses to go. So in the overhead press, that's gone.

It's just press it. And when you're done, your job as the lifter is determined when you've locked out the overhead press and bring it back down. At the end of the lift, the judge determines it. It's your job as the lifter to complete the lift to what you think is completion, and then the judge judges it. I think that is a cool take on it because that is, for a lot of people going into a powerlifting meet, a big source of anxiety is, you know, when I get the weight out of the squat rack,

do I stand there for one second? Do I stand there for five seconds? And the answer is it depends on the judge, and it also depends on you, and it could even depend between lifts too. Like they might see your feet fidgeting a little more and decide to keep you out there longer. So what they say about the squat, like what you're talking about there, the squat begins in the rack.

It's your job to unrack the weight, walk it out, squat it, come back up. Squat it, come back up,, squat it, come back up. And the weight, the lift is not completed until you've re-racked it on your own. So the judge, there is no, no command on the squat whatsoever either. So you get it, you complete it, you re-rack it. Then the judges determine whether you hit depth, you know, and is there a requirement that you take your time that you set up or can you just step back go down not really it's but i mean if if it's going to look really weird i think the judge is going to uh they would still have the ability to red light you

uh i don't know that really exactly if that if there is i guess you got the rules up maybe there's something i'm missing on that but as far far as I understand it, it's up to the discretion of the lifter to do it properly. And if they do not do it properly, if it looks exceptionally odd, then you would hit a red light at that point after it's completed. This is interesting here. Let's go through the rules on the squadron. I just have it pulled up right now. The bar must be removed from the racks and positioned assumed on the platform

at least two feet from the racks. So you have to walk it out. Yep. Or a distance sufficiently removed from the racks to ensure two feet from the racks so you have to walk it out yep or two feet or a distance sufficiently removed from the racks to ensure the safety of the lifter and the spotters so okay so i suppose if it's a foot and a half they're like yeah listen you weren't six inches yeah it's your job to do it like what a sensible human being would yeah i don't know that i'm ever two foot back so i suppose they're just reasonable. No contact with the rack until the bar is replaced.

The bar must not be more than one inch below the top of the rear delts. That's pretty specific. That is a, yeah. Meaning, like, you can't have it way down on the shoulder. You can't be that low. I mean, it's the delts on the strap. So, like, it really is held horizontally. That's a starting strength. Yes. That's just like you need to squat the's a that's a starting strength yes that's just like

like i don't know i'm not real interested in that particular bit there they're like yeah they're like some sort of palms distal to the wrist and cut so your palms have to touch the bar that's basically that's another riptoe thing for anyone that's... So they're saying, you know, people will put this, barely touching, Ben Pollack. He has his elbows almost in front of him. Yes. Isn't that weird, though?

I have to be very tight and locked into the bar. I can't do it loose. I mean, it's not physically possible for me to do what he does. There's no way. Well, I just can't do it. I can't squat with my hands loose because I need to be – everything needs to be on. Well, and there's a lot of things that, like, looking at him, you – like, any person, you'd say, don't do that. But then they'd be like, well, what about him?

And you just have to be like, well, there's an exception to the rule. Starting position must be upright, knees and hips fully extended with the chest up. It just must be obvious and under control before the descent starts so so that's what i kind of thought like you just it just has to look right yeah starts the bar leave the racks hips lowered top surface right parallel the hip yep finish position same as the starting position um before the bar is racked when the finish position is obviously secure the bar must be replaced on the rack then the bar must beed. When the finished position is obviously secure, the bar must be replaced on the rack. Then the bar must be walked back into the rack

without the help of the spotters. I literally think Ripito wrote these rules. Like, this is his writing. Well, I mean, those are starting strength pictures and everything. Basically, it even sounds like a catty way to explain the rules. Like, any touching of the bar by the spotters disqualifies the lift. They can steady the racks. Once the bar's above the uprights,

spotters can help guide it safely down to the hooks. So, yeah. Thumbs do have to be around the bar and the press. That's interesting. Yeah, that is. I'm not going to read all of that. No. But I assume that's...

One other really interesting thing not about any one of the lifts in general is the the way process for the classes the weight classes the weight classes use the uh not the ipf weights but i think the uh the old standard traditional weights. But the difference is you do not weigh in prior to the meet, which weighing in prior to the meet encourages extreme weight cuts. Someone wants to lift in the 220 weight class. They walk around at 240. They do an extreme water weight cut, make it 220 just for that one minute to hit the scale,

and then try and blow back up to their their weight especially with a 24 hour weigh-in which is a lot of these um there once you complete your last deadlift of the day you walk immediately from there to the scale and weigh out okay i've heard about weigh outs before you weigh out from the that and that's a really interesting thing. And I like that. I think that makes a lot of sense. Because then you – You are judged for what you are on the platform.

Yes, because someone these days, they're in the 220 weight class. The dude weighs 245 pounds. Yeah. See, I feel like the whole issue here is that's fighting the problem of 24-hour weigh-ins. Yeah, 24-hour is extreme. I could be wrong, but I don't think people are going a two-hour weigh-in, which is your standard weigh-in, cutting like 15 pounds and then blowing up 15 pounds in two hours. You can't tell me you're going to have a good day of lifting.

There's probably some five-pound water. Oh, yeah, and I think five is fine. People are always going to do what they can to be competitive. But this is just stopping the 24-hour weigh-in madness. Right. I think it's really interesting, though. You get done your last deadlift, you go weigh in. So that's what you are judged on, what you literally weighed while you're lifting.

But, yeah, in like a two-hour weigh-in, it's a lot. If I had to guess, I would say the the meats that i've done i probably weigh less at the end of the day than i do at the end of the day because what a lot of people say it's so hard to put i mean you're just going and moving and warming up and you're not sucking down food and most of these things take a whole day to do you know and then you're nervous so you're peeing way more than you normally would you know if you have other situations you might have other other fluids coming out yeah that's interesting yeah those are the biggest uh differences that i that i can kind of recall but so quite a few differences you know there's certainly some similarities but i think think basically, Ripto and whoever else is behind it,

they took all the things that they kind of don't like about powerlifting and then just made their own thing. Another thing they said, they think the name powerlifting is really stupid because the squat and bench and deadlift are not displayed. They're not technically displays of power in any way. Like power has a speed component and they're all like the sport of olympic weightlifting is power that's power lifting is more powerful than yeah than that but yeah it's kind of interesting equipment no elbow wraps knee wraps can be used

um wrist wraps can be used that's about about it. And a belt. Yeah. So they think the word strength applies much better to the lift. Knee sleeves that fit so tightly they cannot be easily removed solely by the lift or not allowed. That's fairly ambiguous. Because I think with that what happened. Exactly. I read one time that when SBD first became a thing, you know, that is quite a bit different knee sleeve than a reband. And when did they hop on the scene? Like five years ago maybe.

I think it was at one of the World Games. And one of the teams, if I remember this correctly, they were using plastic bags to slide knee sleeves on so they could get knee sleeves that were so tight that they were literally border borderline on borderline on knee wrap so you were getting a competitive advantage and that's where the rule came from of like and it'd take like four people yeah yeah they have a whole team of people pulling these things on yeah for any rule that exists there's always going to be people trying to oh yeah and especially

with powerlifting when it is just i mean a percent can be a lot. Right. Yes. So that's that. What are you guys' impressions generally like this versus powerlifting? I think it's cool that it's different enough that if someone's interested in powerlifting, they could very well be interested in this too. And also if you don't care a whole lot about powerlifting, this might be the thing that makes you want to get involved in some type of strength sport. So I think it's cool. More or less accessible than powerlifting, just generally speaking.

If there's a meet, is it easier for the average person to come into this? I think the biggest restriction at this point is just its lack of popularity. And if you don't live in probably California, it's not accessible. But I mean if there was a meet here. Yeah, yeah. Is it easier for the average person? In my opinion, the average person still is much more aware. I guess the comparison is bench press or overhead.

Yeah, when it comes to the average person, I still think. The average person isn't pulling sumo most likely. The average person doesn't fucking deadlift. I also don't think it's different enough to really set itself apart like you know people are gonna be like check out this new thing it's crazy it's different and you know whatever it's like it's really the same yeah pretty much it is just a different it's just kind of a different set of rules you just had power lifting but you set the weights on fire like that'd be like guys we gotta fucking do this for the person, this is no different whatsoever.

Oh, yeah. For the general person. Yeah, yeah. They're like, well, that's the same. You did the same thing. And they're like, oh, one was a bench and one was an overhead. And they're like, oh, I guess. But everything else will be exactly the same.

And even for the general person, powerlifting and strongman, other than looking different, are probably the same. Like, you're picking up weight. So what is different about this? That's an interchangeable term for the general person. Well, you remember that. Was it Arnold? Arnold himself. The Strong documentary was referring to eddie hall brian shaw as power

as power lifters yeah we're like this is a fucking documentary about the sport of strongman and your arnold you host you host you host the second biggest arguably maybe the actual biggest strongman competition and series in the world um and your power lifting events are way secondary to the strongman you brought and you're just don't even know the difference fucking a arnold like it is funny people do not know the difference of no no so looking at the spectrum of things here it is kind of interesting because earlier in the year we talked about something else was that um god what was that even called now the power building i think it was like power building and i never even i never even heard how that panned out so i have to i have to assume the result i have to assume it was a total

failure because it even like larry wheels big name guys did it and they didn't have a thing about it on their social it was like a combination of bodybuilding and power lifting like dorian they were testing like you're fucking like you were like a combination of bodybuilding and powerlifting. They were testing your fucking five red max curl. And then they were also measuring your waist versus your chest and there's a ratio. Symmetry and yeah. And then it was all put into a formula they developed

and that was how you got your scores. So your weights weren't of equal points compared to it was basically if you were Dorian Yates that's how you would win. The perfect score was Dorian Yates. No, that was the perfect scale. The perfect score was Dorian Yates, and it was based off of him at his peak. And it said he's the only person to achieve that score. So it was like bowling.

Like a perfect score was like a 300. And Arnold at his prime was like a 240. And it says like the only person to achieve a 300 was Dorian Yates. Your first name had to start with a d your last name has to be yates so that uh looking at the scale that we have that which is kind of over and crazy a little bit and then you have your olympic lifting which is you know very different than powerlifting and then you have this thing that kind of sort of has that overhead element to it and then you know you have your power lifting and then from there you have your strongman so i mean it gives you a few different

shades in the spectrum of things but probably nothing completely mind-blowing not a single thing in here about drug testing i yeah i'm not sure about the rule on that i was curious actually i've never heard i don't know see it sounds like if they're this small of a thing. That probably doesn't matter. Right. It doesn't matter or don't have a budget for it. Yes. Because, I mean, someone's got to pay for those drug tests. Has Ripito ever taken a stance on drug use at all?

I've never heard him say anything either way. Do you know? I don't. No, I don't think I remember him saying anything one way or another. He, like, sets a five. And I know that he likes hip drive. And I also don't think he likes anything else in the world. He's probably really nice.

No, I don't think so. I've heard of him in interviews. He's not very nice. I heard him go on a rant about they were trying to sort of nationalize personal training certifications. I don't know if you guys heard about that. But I heard him on a podcast one going about a 20-minute rant about how much he hates that. Well, he hates those typical certifications i don't know if you guys heard about that but i heard him on a podcast when i'm going about a 20 minute rant about how much he hates that well he hates like those the generic

those typical certifications right they are the worst does he have his own like personal training certification yeah he has a coach yeah coach yeah okay so there's actually quite a few like it's a thing it's like there's a lot of them yeah out there but it's actually probably not a bad fundamental place i'd rather have that than like an nascm frankly no for for what the name is and what it is starting strength it's for taking people you know it's not geared towards uh people that have been powerlifting for five years and like you know his programming isn't designed for that and i think i believe they would which is a real thing because a lot of people i mean training an advanced athlete is nothing like training and teaching someone how to squat in the first place like it's you're you're on like a completely different field right and that's what

a lot some of his rules that get criticism he's he says i just have to take us i just have to make it so clear for these people starting out like so i'm going to say, this is how you need to hold your hands. That is why all of these rules are hard, fast rules. And I suppose you get into a situation, because you're dealing with, that will work for 95% of the people. And that's kind of why I think it is built that way. There's not a lot of flexibility, because if you come in with the everybody's special, it's like, that's fine, but you'll never get it.

So just stuff everybody into this box and then round out the edges as time goes on. You have to get to move first. Yeah, it's kind of like one of those things like you need to know the rules before you break them. You don't just do whatever you want whenever you want because, yeah, like you said, you're special and your body's made different.

Well, what happens is then what you end up with is people, well, frankly, if everybody started to squat, rip a toe's toe's way right what's going to happen is most of those people are going to start getting a little bit stronger really all of them will like just general just people that aren't generally your anatomy like your your anatomy is going to dictate your ability to progress a little bit but you'll get better and then you can make some changes from there and so i do like that that it standardized, and it's not extreme. Right. If it was really extreme, it would be a different story.

But, yeah, I see it all the time. People come in and their squats are a little bit, and you can get really, okay, well, let's try this for you. And I kind of just go to like, all right, well, you're going to start feet here, you're going to start feet here, and then we're only going to deal with problems as they come up i'm not gonna just like be like oh well you look like this so let's start here have you ever seen marissa and a squat yeah they're six inches apart maybe and like but to come in and be like oh well you look like that's

how you should squat get me fucking out of your mind. What happens? So let's just pretend that a person with her build and her proficiency just came in totally new. We'd be like, okay, you're going to squat with your, you know, feet, shoulder, hip width apart, and we're going to do it this way. And then you're going to make, you'll always be making changes. We'd be like, bring your feet in a little bit after six months. Well, that got a little bit better. We work in that and bring them in a little bit more.

Well, that keeps getting better. If you keep bringing them in and they just keep getting better, that's how you end up there. Usually what happens, though, honestly, is I'll bring someone's feet in, and then it'll be like, that's a little better. And then in a few months, bring them in. Oh, that's worse. Let's go back.

That's really all it goes. So I do like his, that it is very cookie cutter, because it is the beginners. You've got to cover all the bases right away. And that's what it's geared for. And I think people get that. And they're not strong enough to fucking hurt themselves at that point. Like you can barely move.

Let's just move. That's what all we have. I do have one thing though with the press stuff on there. Do you guys find like how hard is it for you to get better at pressing overhead? I've only gone through one time in my life of actually training the press, and I felt like I was continuing to get better at it over time. Like, I just. But what, like, how much did you tack on?

I probably put from, like, a one rep max standpoint. Yeah, yeah. Even if you didn't test, what do you suppose? That was a beginner time or much more beginner time. I think my one rep max probably went up 25 pounds. Maybe 30. The percentages are the smallest.

In my opinion, that's the smallest. That's the lift that I'm the best at, probably relative to just whatever. I'd be the highest percentile of that compared to my other lifts yeah and i fucking don't get any better at it basically at all to the point where i don't really train it i don't get much i train it a little bit and i don't get worse at it i could train the shit out of it and i might put on five or ten pounds in a fucking year and then if I don't keep

that up I'll regress back to where I'm at now so it's just not worth the effort yeah I don't think it's completely unlike benching in the way that someone that's been benching a long time like your your benching progress can be like painfully slow at times you know like it you know you'll always have times or maybe you'll put five or ten on and it but like to to really just be making breakthroughs like you could with a squat or deadlift, it's a lot harder to do that with bench. With my overhead pressing, I've been bad at it, but I've always felt super uncomfortable doing it. The weight does not, I mean, even if it's light, it doesn't feel good going over.

It just feels restricted. I've never had terrible shoulder mobility or anything and then i ended up hurting my shoulder and i had like an x-ray done and they give your acromion process or how it's situated they have like three stages for it one two or three and like if it's at three you're like a huge candidate for shoulder impingement so i wonder if some people who struggle with um like overhead pressing if the physical shape of their shoulder just doesn't allow them to get good solid and feel comfortable with it and have just good motion yeah and produce power exactly so because i i still i

see people that come in and it's you can't even really tell from looking at a person or body type you kind of can with benching a little bit you know like there's not a lot of people that you're going to look at their body type and get just like really surprised you know not to call him up but like like your brother like ryan you look at ryan you're like probably not a great bencher yeah it's because of his body type you guys see that um someone like ross though you look at ross yeah ross probably good yeah like if he couldn't bench a lot you think there's something wrong with it and and but like for me i think i think pressing overhead is like not even from a body type standpoint like like deadlifting

yeah there's a genetic component to being good at deadlifting but that's your leverages for pressing overhead some i think some people just you're just good at it or you're not yeah the thing i used to always hear is like if you want to get better at deadlifting uh go back 10 years and deadlift start deadlifting then yeah if you want to be better at overhead pressing you need to be uh born better at overhead pressing yeah one thing that i think about sometimes too though is uh if say there's a lift i don't like as well and i I, I think it's, I I'm bad at it or I think I'm bad at it. If I treat that as a secondary, if out of the three, if,

if I treat squat as my worst lift of the three and I train it, like it's always my worst lift of the three, then it's probably going to be the worst lift of the three. Yeah. You know? So if it's like, and if I treat overhead press, like,

well, that's not a main movement. You know, my bench press is my real movement and I never train, you never folk put it, the focal point on it. Like it is your bench press or your dead left or whatever you like doing or whatever you do actually do. If you treat it like, uh, it's not primary, then you're probably never going to have, you know, if it's always like the third thing you do. Yeah.

And if it was never your focus program thing like it's probably never gonna and i'm guilty of that stuff like oh yeah the saying everyone just thinking about myself even is what where i'm coming and then you just want to do it less yeah right like the only way i got any better at deadlifting was like i just was so insulted by how bad i was at it that I like really, really, really tried really hard at it. Right. And now, and then I got it up and then I was like, I'm going to pull back on deadlifting

a little bit now. Cause I still don't enjoy it that much. And now it's, you know, that's probably suffered. Right. Um, but I still think you can kind of only prioritize one thing at a time anyways. Like you can still put in the work, but the effort really gets piled into one thing. Yeah. You know, you only kind of move one needle forward at a time but um speaking of that tanner we had talked about your uh inability to

bench uh not lack of strength or anything but you have an injury your shoulder injury yeah and i had talked to some guys at nationals uh strongman nationals when megan was competing there about guys that had had like prp injections and shit and there's guys that have done it for their for bicep you know partial bicep, you know, partial bicep tears that really they weren't going to operate on that they said made a world of difference. And I had a couple guys with shoulder injuries, obviously not knowing the nature of theirs or yours,

but they said it had just worked wonders. Fortunately here, Professor Shanz has gotten PRP injections. Before we go any further. So we have real firsthand info here? Literally. We usually don't go down that avenue. But how are we supposed to do this? Mostly speculative.

First off, I'm going to speculate first. PRP injections, if you don't know, totally just steroids. Steroids and narcotic drugs. The purest form of steroids. Basically. And that's's basically if you're if you're sean's as parents you should be worried it's a mixture of steroids and marijuana steroids and injectable marijuanas wow so i'm glad my parents don't listen to this they're really missing out they are but if you want to back up actually and tell us what prp injections are and what maybe why why'd you get it and where'd you get it and sure well first off prp stands for

platelet rich plasma what they do is they draw your blood they stick a little like plunger thing in then they slowly draw it out and then they stick it in their centrifuge and they spin it and they separate it. And this plasma, this platelet-rich plasma separates at the top. They put that in a needle and just inject it. So does that all happen in one day? Yeah, it happens in about 10 minutes. Is that what happened to Captain America? Something. A lot of platelet-rich plasma.

I fucking knew it. So, yeah, I mean, I was probably there for a total of like 30 minutes, but the whole process took like 10 minutes. And the doc, he's like, your knee's probably going to be feeling a little cranky for a while after this. And for the first couple of days, it really did. But after that, it subsided. Some people, just depending on probably your age and whatnot you might you might feel

worse for a longer amount of time and then based on what I understood anywhere from like two to six weeks you should start seeing improvements if you're going to get improvements for it I thought at about week three like my knee was feeling better than it had, and I was taking it pretty easy on it. And then kind of as soon as I start to push it again and try to do some quad-dominant stuff, that's what really bothers my knee. First of all, let everybody know chondromalacia is what I have. It's just like the wearing out or thinning of cartilage right underneath your kneecap.

So anytime I try to do real quad-dominant stuff, my knee kills me. And like I said, it was feeling good, um, when I was taking it easy. And then as soon as I started to just, you know, try to do some squats and stuff that were real, um, quad dominant, like my knee was just garbage again. So I don't know my, my feelings of it are kind of mixed, probably not worth the money I spent on it about 500 bucks uh cash because it's not it's not covered by insurance so that's an important thing for people to know some places i've heard it's as much as a thousand dollars and then like uh regenics is a company that specializes in kind of this restorative type medicine and they will take, uh, they will do PRP and they have some specialized

process where they increase the amount of platelets and they increase the amount of plasma. And it's like this super dosed, you know, PRP injection that costs like. Okay, why generally is PRP so expensive? You said it took you 30 minutes, maybe 10 minutes when you really drilled down to it. We got a centrifuge. Well, that's why he just wouldn't do it. What equipment do they have that makes it so expensive? If you want me to get in a whole tangent about why health care is so expensive in general. Is the answer because health care is expensive?

Yes, that is the answer. That is the answer because at one point getting a saline IV bag was $800 in America. But PRP is never covered by insurance. Insurance. So shouldn't this be outside of that? Like this is kind of like more comparable to maybe, like, chiropractic care or something like that. I would say, though, because it is outside of insurance,

it probably falls more along the lines of, like, getting fake tits. You know what I mean? So Sean's got the equivalent of fake tits for his knees. He's got fake tits in his knees. That's what he pays for. I kind of see what you're saying. I think we got the title for this. It should be outside the system a little bit.

Like LASIK eye surgery is something that wasn't covered by insurance. And after like decades, you know, the price is very reasonable for, you know, surgery. And I think maybe in time, if they can prove the efficacy of it and you get more people doing it, there's more competition, that'll bring down the price. But it's a little too fringe right now there's not a lot i mean there's research behind it or they wouldn't be doing it hospitals but there's not you know uh very good it's like we're the guys doing this and this is what we're charging if you want it yep come and get it if not good luck finding someone you know exactly exactly so to take this kind of back to the beginning a little bit because i other than knowing that prp stands for platelet platelet rich plasma

tongue twister it is i don't know almost anything about this so my first questions are does the blood is it just like an iv like they just draw the blood just like that basically i mean just not like out of your arm yeah they just stick a needle in there and it's hooked up to this special like plunger type thing and they just plunge out a little bit of blood they drop very slowly so they have to take it out of your arm or yeah i think that's pretty typical yeah so they take the blood out they go do their thing they come back where do they inject it like is it get injected at the site uh yeah i would imagine it just depends on you know where what body part or what injury you have or haven't done.

For, like, my knee, they did it on the lateral portion, like the outside. There's this sort of soft spot, like kind of right underneath your kneecap, and that's where they – it was a thick, long needle, though, and I was like, oh, damn, this is going to hurt. Was it right in there, like right up underneath your kneecap? You know, no, it didn't feel like they stabbed it right in under. I mean, it was actually not as painful as I thought it would be. Is it because they put an ice cube on it to dull the pain?

They did not do that. No, he's just like, this may sting, and I was expecting it to hurt. But it wasn't bad at all. I had actually had prolotherapy done at one time. Which is what? Fake tips. So so basically fake knee tips one for each knee more or less when you wear shorts and they give you the perfect amount of under boob on there uh basically what they do is it's uh it's another injection but it's like a

sucrose like a sugar injection and what it does is promote like an inflammatory response. But with them, they had to, so I had it done in both my knees and my shoulder actually. And it was like 25 injections per joint. And like they give you some lidocaine with it to like numb it. But I don't know if the lidocaine didn't work for me or what. But like each injection hurt like hell and I had to do 25 of them so this is what i was expecting prp to be like like it was gonna be multiple injections or whatever that was gonna be in there i was gonna have blood dripping down my arm or down my knee you know and uh no it was it was one injection and it was very painless

in comparison so okay and then with this because you said it is different than kind of your traditional or it's not recognized like in the same way that like insurance will cover right are you just going to like a regular clinic and doing this or is this like a real specialized place uh no it was it was a just kind of a regular clinic i've been seeing a guy who kind of specializes he's an orthopedic surgeon guy so he specializes uh he's got some sports background so that's why i like him because sometimes you can get orthopedic guys who don't know how to work on athletes and that's they just studied orthopedic stuff in school and yeah they're dealing with old people with knee replacement i think you kind of had someone that basically said you're 30 years

old why are you lifting weights yeah the whole thought of physical training is not even recommended by many doctors. Isn't that super weird? That alone is a whole separate topic of insanity. You exercise? Yeah, the act of exercising is like, we're slowing down. It's like a foreign concept. Have you tried getting diabetes yet you should be there or if you exert if they do promote exercise it's cardiovascular strength training is even

more foreign to them training yes and they're like weight training and i think that's because of the lack of your knees like a lack of knowledge you know like you're not going to recommend something you don't the other thing it's like it's like a doctor at that point their job is like oh he came to me with a shoulder problem well he probably did it from bench pressing just fucking look at him and then they're just like then they're like well stop bench pressing dummy and it's like but the problem is is like you don't get put into the nursing home for many reasons other than like because you can't exist in the world on your own and usually that's because you can't get up off the fucking ground. You can't pick things up and put away.

You can't go get your own fucking groceries. That usually still is about strength. Now, you don't need a thousand pound squat. But the thing is, your starting point, there's a point with which your training and your strength will deteriorate. And your starting point is important in where that ends up so like you may have 20 30 years of deteriorating strength before you're dead at 90 if you're lucky well like if you're 60 and you're fucking skin and bones and you never lifted a day in your life

and i see people that come in who are even young people who come in who are 20 30 years old who are so weak i mean a level of physical weakness that i can't even fucking imagine they've gotten this far like we joke around about bringing all your groceries in at one shot i i've seen people who i don't know how they carry their baby and i'm dead serious like how you put a baby into the deal because they can't do anything with their bodies and i'm like this is you at 30 what the fuck is going to happen to you and you're like i don't want to get i don't want to get bulky i was like well you don't even have anything like you like listen if you've got both talking about best fucking thing that happened to you you know and like and at 70 if that's your starting point

yeah and it's going to deteriorate worse between now and 70 and then what's your starting point, and you get worse between now and 70, you're going to be incapable of existing in the world aside from just being old. What happens if you get into a car accident in 10 years? I promise you, if I get hit by a truck, I'm going to be much more

likely to not get fucking ripped in half than some of these people I see. One of the big things when you get older you hear about is balance all the time yes people's balance are off and if you look at the carryover between strength and balance there's a ton like what balance is strength yeah and you know you don't people talk about having balance training programs for adults or for like seniors you know old people just get them lifting weights like they don't need to do specialized balance training that was very simple just sneak up

someone and try to push them over no no not training but i mean try come up behind me and try to push me over well do you think i'll fall on my face probably not yeah try to push tanner over but go try to push somebody who's never 140 pounds and never done anything. Like, they will fall all the way to the ground. You'll be like, oh, shit, sorry, I was just joking. You know what I mean? Like, that's the shit where you can accidentally fuck your whole world up. But that's the deal.

You go to that doctor and he's like, well, stop lifting weights. And it's like, well, then what? Do I just get weaker between now and the day I die? And also on a separate note I'm the patient I'm the customer I'm telling you I want to do that what can you

do for me to aid me in that process? And it's not like you're saying I want to continue to drink six bottles of wine a day or something like saying I want to continue to drink six bottles of wine a day or something like that this is my goal to be healthy regardless of uh your uh uh personal uh beliefs on that like I want you to help me yeah do that because that's what I want to do you know yeah and I mean I was lucky with you know my doctor I think he he he's a big guy like he's got to be over 300 pounds and you can tell he still lifts weight.

So I liked him immediately. And he's like, yeah, we'll do whatever we can to just help you continue to live the lifestyle you want to live because that's important. And I'm like, this guy's great. Because they can come to you and just be like, well, the injury is the problem. Let's not do the thing that caused it. But they don't understand that you're a person with a lifestyle and their job is to get you back to that lifestyle not to just be like now your shoulder doesn't hurt hooray and then you're gonna put a gun in your mouth in five years because you don't get to do all the things that you like if uh

antonio brown or whoever you know some nfl football player goes to the doctor i broke my leg playing football this year. They're like, well, you got to quit playing football. It's like those guys are trying to, or like Travis Pastrana, you know, falls off his motorcycle and they're like, um, that's really dangerous. You know, he probably should quit. It's like, but it's dangerous. Like that's, that's the life I've, you know, that's like, yes, it's dangerous. Like that's the life I've – that's the decision.

And really in the scheme of things, we're not really talking dangerous. We're just talking about like being able to move your body with a little more weight than someone else. Yeah, it's even – in comparison to that, it's far less drastic. It's much more simple than that even. There's a quote that I've always liked that goes, live your life so that when you're in your 50s, you end up on an orthopedic surgeon's table and not a cardiovascular surgeon's table. And that really resonated with me.

And I think, yeah, that's the way to go about it. Mostly anyone that lifts. I mean, Rick, you can relate to that in some way. That's true. Well, plus, let's be real. Would you rather hurt your shoulder bench pressing 500 pounds or would you rather like hurt your back trying to pick up a fucking goddamn potato that you dropped on the floor in the kitchen for real?

You know, I've had clients that like had like to had to cancel appointments cause they're like, I think I threw my back out trying to get my shoes on. And it's like, Whoa, like that's where we're at. Like, that's a, like you gotta be like, I think I threw my back out trying to get my shoes on. And it's like, whoa, like that's where we're at? Like you've got to be, like Jesus Christ, that should be a red flag for you. Age catches up with, you know, it's inevitably going to catch up with everyone in some capacity or another anyway.

Well, I mean, it will catch up with everyone no matter what. Right, exactly, no matter what at some point in time. It will catch up with everyone no matter what. Right, exactly, no matter what at some point in time. But, you know, I think people who lift weights extend their, like, very active, livable, like, good years. Even if two people live to be 80, 85 with completely different lifestyles, their quality of life that people who lift weights have some muscle mass left in them is going to be, you know, infinitely better than someone who's just scraping by, might be in a wheelchair or whatever, can't get up and down the steps. Two people die at 85.

At the very least, the one that lifted for as long as they could probably was at least more fuckable for longer. Right? Like that other guy got into a very sad place way sooner. When we talk about lifting like that, it doesn't necessarily mean like trying to squat 700 pounds like it's like it's just like doing something yes yes like there is a shelf life on all of that sort of stuff yeah well it's also understand that we're not it's not like a linear trajectory

where like your job just gonna keep lifting so if i do it for 20 years, I'll be squatting 2,000 pounds. Yeah, right, right. So back to the PRP then. In your personal experience, what can you say about the effectiveness? I think, you know, Tyler was touching how some other people had had it done on more soft tissue injuries, and I think it's probably more effective. So like a torn pec? Yeah, muscle injuries, muscle tears, maybe tendon and ligament stuff. Cartilage is the worst because it has the least amount of blood flow. It's just a very odd tissue.

It's basically a fucking dead tissue. You know what I mean? There's very little blood flow, and it's so unique. I think cartilage, the pounds per square inch that it can absorb, they don't have any other material like it on the planet. It's so unique, and as we talked about, there's no blood flow, and it's a tough tissue to heal and get back. So I think people probably have better luck with different injuries

that aren't cartilage related. And I can't say I wouldn't recommend it. Like I said, I thought I felt better when I wasn't, you know, pushing my knee. Like, and I was just going about my everyday life, going up and down stairs and whatever. I felt better. But, you know, as soon as I tried to push it again, like, you know, it was still crap.

So I think I'm going to actually end up going in and having it scoped, and we'll see how that goes. So what does it do, though, the platelet-rich? Good question. What is it supposed to do? Yeah, what's it supposed to do? And if it is helping someone, what do you think, what's it doing? So with the, you know, the platelet-rich plasma part,

it's supposed to be a concentrated source of, like, growth factors, healing factors, nutrients. And you inject it, and it creates, I hope I'm saying this right, milieu, like a healing milieu in the knee, like sort of just a situation, foundation for with, you know, your knee's sort of bathed in for a while that allows it to heal it's pronounced voodoo so i mean that's i don't know the separate growth factors or whatever that are in it but i think that's the general um idea behind it so and how about the uh what did you call it where not the injection of your own blood uh but the other thing you tried what was oh the prolotherapy what uh what about that as far as

recommending that to people or or what's your what's your opinion um same thing i think all the injection stuff's going to be more effective to places that have higher blood flow, I think. You know, my dad had it like he had an ankle that he had rolled over the years just terribly, like, I don't know, probably a dozen times just blowing it out, and it was shot. And all those tendons and ligaments were stretched and damaged and scar tissue. And he would walk, and, like, his ankle would pop all the time, and he couldn't walk very long, and he'd get kind of like a dead foot, and he would walk and like his ankle would pop all the time and he couldn't walk very long and he'd get kind of like a dead foot and he couldn't lift it so he's had on it five seven eight ten treatments on it over the years and his ankle's much stronger it doesn't crack now he had good results with it and again it's in an area where you're talking there's more blood flow it's not

you know the cartilage related like it is with mine. This is the prolotherapy. So that's what made me try that first. Um, cause of the success he had with it. But, uh, yeah, it was much too fricking painful to try again for not getting, uh, any results out of it. What about, we had talked about also, um, you know, just, just off the air about the potential application for, of, uh, stem cell for something like this. Have you heard anything as far as stem cell injections being used in this case or similar cases? Yeah, the clinic where I went to get my PRP done also does stem cell injections. I didn't know if that was legal.

Stem cells always seem like they're such a fringe thing. It's legal. It's just weird in the way they have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get. Okay. I didn't know where the world was at with that. It's a weird regulation. Okay. That's unfortunate because I think there's a lot of future application for stem cells.

But anyway, the first ortho I went to before I got referred to kind of this guy who's dealt with more athletes, he was like, yeah, I just went to a seminar on stem cells there's some good research on it he's like we could try it out whatever I went to this other guy who's a little more versed with athletes and he goes no he's like there's no research that shows for what you have you know with your chondromalacia that it's going to help your cartilage I haven't seen any research just you know none good published research so he's like i don't recommend it um now that is to back up that is specifically for your condition yeah you and he probably both believe that it's very effective in lots of other cases the cartilage

specific stuff um is what he said that it didn't there wasn't any effective research for it but there are obviously other applications where it's useful or people still wouldn't be using it he did say that you could um have some of your stem cells taken and then you fly them to like the virgin islands or something like that and you have them cultured for like 70 000 and then you get these millions and millions and millions of stem cells and then you can come back and have a procedure where they're you basically i think you said you have it's a pretty invasive procedure you have your kneecap basically flipped open and they slather it on the inside of your kneecap and peanut butter pretty much and he's like he's like yeah that's i mean if you're gonna have stem cells maybe that's an effective way to do it. But I'm like, nobody has $70,000 cash.

I also feel like if they're going to lop your kneecap open, they could do lots of other things while they're there. Like put boobs in there? Maybe a set of fake tits. The Regenexx company I talked about last time that had the PRP that was like $1,800, company I talked about last time that had the PRP that was like $1,800. They have stem cell procedures where they supposedly can take your own stem cells. And I think Cultrum increased them out more than like the other clinic where I go to, where they have it for a thousand dollars. They have some super process like they do with the PRP where they're

able to get a, you know, uh, increased efficacy from the injection. And there is, was like $7,800. And I was like, so that's straight, that's cash to access. I'm covered by insurance. I'm like,

um, even like if it has to be super effective, first of all, if I'm going to spend that much money, like at that point I'd be like, yeah, go ahead and send me the bill. And then when my knee doesn't hurt in a year i might start making some payments yeah so i don't know we'll

see i don't know what i'm gonna do with it just get rid of it yeah who needs knees yeah you'd be better off probably just just hold off until fake knee technology gets some... That's why I'm hoping sometime in the 5, 10 years they'll have some awesome procedure. They'll 3D print a kneecap for you. There you go. Slap it in there. $100, you're done. I think the moral of this story, Sean, is that pimping just ain't easy. Pimping ain't easy.

You can summarize it in one sentence. That was kind of the impression I was getting too. Yeah, and don't get breast implants, I think, is the other one we're going with here. Honestly, I think we talked to a lot of people. Boobs on your knees are pretty cool. Out of elective surgery. If you have knee troubles, don't get a breast implant. Well, just not there. I mean, you could still go ahead and get them just not

well we are about out of time here guys um i'll kind of give the main rundown for what we have we have uh make sure you go to massonomics.com there you're going to find our store uh what do we have for sale on the store right now we got the lift banners what don't we have for sale in the store right now? We've got the lift banners. What don't we have for sale in the store right now? I think a recent buyer said it was like the Amazon of lifting. Yeah. It's just such a vast. Yeah, the Amazon slash Walmart of lifting. If you could combine Amazon and Walmart and make it about just lifting things, that's massonomics.com.

It's all there. Yeah. Shipping's not free, but it's kind of like Amazon otherwise. We need prime memberships to Massonomics.com it's all there yeah shipping's not free but it's kind of like amazon otherwise this is what we need prime memberships to massonomics two day free shipping we could do that but no we we've got dollars a month full restock restock of the flex flask every color every uh logo we've got them all on hand if you want one again uh there's been a lot of people that were upset we We're out of quite a few of them for a week or two here

and there's a lot of people that wanted them so they're back in there. Darn, they're beating down the door I heard. It's like an angry mob. I know that people have been showing up at my house at all hours of the night waking up my family. From different parts of the country. Driving to Aberdeen. You're like I heard, you have free local pickup.

We've got a few of the Weekend Warrior Lift sweatshirts. Not very many. If you do want one of those this is not even just bullshit. This isn't just bullshit like us telling you this to get you to buy them.

If you want one, order one right now and don't ask me again when it's out when we're going to get more of buy them if you want one order one right now and don't ask me again when it's out when we're going to get more of them because we're not going to yes so like this is a one and yes so if you want it order it right now don't in a month ask when we're getting more yeah that's your watch the lift sweatshirts will be a uh og only deal yeah this is something you have to be responsible with and actually pull the trigger other than that the weekend warrior lift uh t-shirt, which is always... A perennial favorite.

Yeah, a perennial favorite. It's fully stocked in every size from extra small all the way up to 4XL. Has anyone bought all sizes for themselves yet? Not yet, but I did. Someone listening could be the first person. A guy this week bought an XL and a small. He got it. The day that he received that order, he decided that wasn't enough.

He ordered a large. So he's ordered three sizes. I dare someone out there to be more ballsy than that guy. He ordered three sizes this week. I want the person who orders the extra small all the way up to the 4X. I want that person to actually be an extra small and have really lofty goals for their next couple of years just i i also i i want to throw that guy's name out because he did i it would be worth mentioning here here um i know i've

got it because he's the real deal yeah what is it we're searching hard um vincent claren not who i was talking about but he did buy two sizes this week and that's pretty cool too yeah i'm going to forget it i'm pretty sure it's nicholas was it saint maybe his first name it was christmas it was vincent vincent claren vincent yes there you go way to go vincent i think you're probably winning the uh competition for owning the most sizes of the weekend warrior. But not the competition for who owns the most Mastanomic stuff in general out there. I'm going to have to go with our friends from Alabama, Bacon and Barbells.

Like if they own much more stuff, they will have more of it than we do. And we'll have to be talking to them about getting – Between some of the stuff that they may have that we don't stock anymore, they may have more stock than we have. Which is good. That's Jonathan. Oldham? Yeah, I don't.

Is it Oldham? I believe so. I might be wrong. In my head, I always say Bacon Barbells. Bacon Barbells on Instagram. Hit them up. Mathsonomics. Yeah.

But yeah, so that's kind of it for the store. But get everything. It's all there it's all the shit um it helps us pay for all this stuff that we pay for like flying shots in international flights not cheap yeah he's a man about town so um while you're there though make sure you check out all our articles videos sean's writes a lot of the science-based stuff. So obviously if you listen today, he's the only one here who knows anything about anything. That's not true. You guys are also smart guys.

And we're pretty too. What we lack in intelligence, we also lack in looks. We make up for it in a very wide variety of shirts that can be bought from other websites. We lack in intelligence, we make up for it. We do a lot of things bad, but if we do enough of them, it aggregates to something good.

Enough negatives makes a positive. Also, all of our podcasts are archived there as well. If you want to go back, check out some back episodes if you're not into the iTunes world. Also, at the bottom of the page there, you scroll to the bottom at massonomics.com there you can

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I can actually say where someone can find me on Instagram your Instagram yeah we do we do do it for you I have like a total of six pictures on there right now so sorry I'm not very interesting. Basically about to be one of the most popular pages on Instagram. Sean's can be found at?

Professor Sean's. Professor Sean's. And the Sean's is spelled S-C-H-A-N-Z. Correct. Righteous. I make sure to tag you in things. You do tag me a lot. So if Sean's doesn't post a lot you can click on

his tags yeah and you'll see things that he's involved in yeah it's not very cool do you use it ever or what do you where you add on that like i mean just do you ever check your yeah do you ever yeah do you do you browse around very probably browse once a day yeah i'll get so that's a lot more than originally what you thought or had said. You use it more than that. When I first got it... That's about how often I use it. It just never stops once it starts.

It's once a day from 5am until midnight. What I don't get is how these people they will post a picture on Facebook and then the same one on Snapchat and then the same one on Instagram. And I'm like, doesn't that get exhausting? Trying to post it.

And it's daily. That is where their livelihood comes from. That's the crazy part. Now, in their defense, in my defense, Sean, I know he's firing shots over here. Your Facebook and Instagrams can be linked. So I will choose not every post, but if there's some, especially some of the business stuff, where I'll be like, all right, I do want this one across both platforms. And so when I go to post it, you can choose publish to Facebook as well.

Snapchat, though, those people are very convoluted. That's the one that surprised me when people have a long screenshot. Yeah, like they have a long Snapchat story and then the same things on Instagram. And they're doing that shit one at a time. That takes a little bit of work there. That's not just. Yeah, that they have a long Snapchat story, and then the same things on Instagram. It's like, that takes a little bit of work there. That's not just... Yeah, that's bananas. It's impressive social media dedication. Yeah, well, we can't all have only six posts.

You could. It's too late now. Yeah, it's too late now. But thanks a lot for listening, everybody. We will talk to you next week. See you soon. You just heard the Masanomics Podcast. listening, everybody. We will talk to you next week. Stay strong. You just heard the Masanamics podcast. With your ears, you're welcome.

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