Massenomics Podcast - Ep.97: The Gift Of Injury

Episode Date: February 12, 2018

This week the guys discuss their injury histories, and the new perspective to be gained on training and recovery that can be learned from crawling back from injury.

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Alright, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this week's episode of the Massanomics Podcast! And everyone left. So instead we're going to go with our charismatic voices. Hi ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this week's episode of the Masss and Politics Podcast. I'm Tyler, joined as always by Tommy. What's up? And also Tanner. Hey, everybody. How's it going? So today we're going to dive in and we're going to start by, me and Tanner

are going to just complain for a while about our own woes while Tommy just sits there and is young and unins young and takes it all in that's right tommy with my supple 18 year old body tommy takes it all in can't wait to turn 19 next month guys totally guys i want you to google those exact words tommy takes it all in with his supple 18 year old opening this one with a pg title um so uh tanner we were talking the other day i hadn't actually seen you we only ever talked to each other when we podcast so we actually ran into each other at the gym because we've both been working like assholes we run out of things to talk about for the podcast if we can't talk during the week at all

every time i see tanner i'm like... Save it for the Tuesday night. Cut it off. It's kind of like if you run into your ex-girlfriend at the grocery store, you're like... I don't want to fucking know how you're doing. And I certainly don't want to tell you what I'm doing. Hi, Tanner. But no, so we both were in the gym

nursing some ginger b biceps i suppose and i didn't realize that you had fucked yours up again yeah not as bad as the first time but it's my my left bicep tendon i hurt it the first time in a tire flip in a strongman competition this summer you can scroll back a few episodes yeah about 70 episodes. Fine. I don't know how many weeks back it was. Find something about an injury. I've really been taking good care of it since then and haven't done much of anything to hurt it. The other day, it's really gotten better.

It's gotten a lot better. When you say taking care of it, like you're only maxing out on curls twice a week now? Instead of five. Kind of babying it. No, I've really just been avoiding just about anything that hurts it and it really has gotten much much better and what was anything that because i've never had a bicep injury so did you guys both have do similar things agitate it for both of you well yeah i i think so so you want to get in exactly how you

did yours, and then I'll kind of get into mine. Yeah, so I did mine flipping a tire. If anyone's ever done a tire flip before, you know that you're not supposed to curl it up. But at a certain point, like, this is the position that your hands are in. In which your elbows bend. Yeah, and I could hear it pop like three times going up.

This is the first injury. Yeah, the very first time that it happened and that was also after doing another strongman competition two weeks prior yeah and my bicep was i i could tell that uh going into that it wasn't fully recovered it wasn't injured at that point at all but it just um it was sore and it it was you know i'd call it like tired or i could tell it just didn't really feel awesome yeah so when it did happen i wasn't all that surprised i was kind of like well that's probably what i get for doing it when it felt like that uh but since then you know september october november december january five or six months later now it's been feeling

October, November, December, January, five or six months later now, it's been feeling progressively better all the time. And it really felt pretty good. And I haven't done any, like Atlas stones would be a big thing that would hurt it. A tire flip would definitely be out. I don't know that I'll ever flip a tire because I can't see that not hurting. We also don't like doing it. Like really what do you have to gain from flipping a tire at this point right um but uh squatting you know right away like trying to get in a low bar

back squat might have hurt it a little bit but in short few weeks time that's really wasn't an issue and uh dead lifting was never never a problem for me uh that. It's my overhand anyways on an over-under grip, so I never had much concern there. But a lot of the strongman stuff would be where it would be. Compromise. Yeah, and curls. Like, I couldn't curl a 15-pound dumbbell or a 10-pound dumbbell. So you're not going to enter that strict curl competition?

No, no, definitely not. pound dumbbell or 10 pound dumbbell you're not gonna enter that strict curl competition no no definitely not and honestly if not being able to do curls is the single greatest tragedy of any bicep yeah because i think i think you can like still do other lifts and i don't think your biceps just shrivel up but still for me every week that goes by where i don't do any curls, I look in the mirror and I'm like, fuck, am I fucking up? Like, I think I'm shrinking. So I really wasn't doing any curls for several months here, but I just wanted to test it out. Like, it was beyond the point of even being able to test it out. Like, it felt like it was just pretty good.

You know, I was getting quite good. So I did a little Atlas Stones stones just really really light like i started with the 120 and you know did some did reps of that and the 180 and the 200 and the 220 and they all felt felt really good like it wasn't really bothering it whatsoever you know i would say like zero on a scale from one to ten yep and uh i even did the did a 260 and it still hurt at zero whatsoever i did a few reps of that and i was like oh i'm really happy with this but i was like i'm not going to go any heavier than that but i kind of would like to mess around and do a little more so i just was doing a really light series of uh like 100 200 220 yep just those three in a row just to make sure it's still there yeah yeah it was just uh it was fun i haven't done it in a really long time, and it was just kind of fun.

So I was doing it for that reason, and I was like, well, I'm going light, so I'm not going to hurt myself, you know, going this light after I already have tested it and decided I was comfortable with that. So I went through it once slowly, the series of three, and it felt really good. And then the next time I was like, all right, I'm going to time this one and just uh see what I can do it in and you know because it gives me something to work at then without going heavy I can go light and time it and see if I can better myself so the lightest one 180 I did that just fine really quick the next one which was only a 200 pound stone i bent over and the second i went to break the ground from it i could feel my elbow do the exact same uh well it felt like my you know

i say my elbow but my bicep tendon do that the exact same pop noise and this time you know of course i knew immediately what was going on yeah these felt exactly the same as the first time i did it so i set it down and thought to myself well you idiot you know like it was getting better you know after this is after six months of trying to get it better uh and then it did it but it's i'm about three weeks removed from that now and it's not as bad as the initial injury i already feel you know what what took you already eyeballing up that next series no no i'm probably not eyeballing that up but you know in just a few short weeks i probably made as much progress last time so it wasn't as severe but same sort of thing so it makes me question

be a problem like i'm not at this point i'm not real sure of what so with this stage of it does that does it hurt when you squat now or is it not it doesn't uh it doesn't deter me for from squatting or or really make it hard harder or anything or it's not causing lasting damage by doing it but But, yeah, it's just, like, more uncomfortable because just a lot of things with it, just, you know, there's a little bit of extra pain. There's a lot of positions in that that just hurt. Yeah. Like, for me, pulling all the way in hurts so bad.

Even just the tension of squeezing it right there hurts. Right. And just, like, this, like something like a simple, like roll, that, I don't know, the bicep tendon must have a key factor in that rotation. For people that can't see, Tanner's just holding his arm out and just turning his hand from facing up to facing down. Yeah, yeah. So. There's a chance to show off the guns. Listen, guys, this is what it looks like.

And there's the old truck set. So I don't know. I'm pretty okay with it, but it just, like I said, I just start to wonder what I ever could do to it in order for it to not, like, just do the same thing. You know, even if I waited a year this time, I feel like it would probably have a good chance six months six months yeah of literally not on you know not messing with anything like that

yeah so you only have six months to go on your road to recovery tyler i don't know like i didn't so i didn't do anything like i mean i know what i did that aggravated it but i don't know like i don't remember like it didn't even hurt after i did it like you know when you tore yours at flip not tell you were like fuck yeah it hurt right like i didn't hurt mine so we had that strongman competition in sioux falls and i it was a bit bicep intensive generally speaking because i get when you clean a 300 pound log that you're supposed to lock it in with your back and open your hips. Your fucking biceps pulling on that fucking log.

That is what is keeping it there isometrically. That is involved in the party. Even if you do everything perfectly. I didn't clean a 300-pound log with my bicep the way it is now. So my bicep was definitely involved in that. So clean and press that. The dumbbell wasn't, I don't think, a bicep and press that the dumbbell wasn't i don't think a bicep thing the heavy dumbbell wasn't but then there was the a few other events and there was the overarm rope that big time which no matter if you're trying to use your lats or your legs

whatever like same thing you're still you're still it's just it's just all going yeah and then and then the next event after that was the Atlas Stone series. And that's the same way, even if you do it. See, and that's what I don't get. And I don't know if Big Tim or Big Jacob listen to this. Maybe I should just ask them instead of putting it up. I'll ask them or something because they'll respond to that. The old-fashioned way, send them a DM on Instagram. No, no, no.

Here's what you do. You just put it on a podcast and you hope they hear it and they respond but like because i think they train strongman stuff and it looks like stone's about weekly it seems like it yeah i could not do a heavy stone series no weekly and i i understand and i get the concept yeah i understand that too And I don't believe that I'm curling it. Right. But I am getting around, getting locked in. And I am pretty good.

I even watch the videos. I'm pretty sure I deadlift it to the knees and roll it up. Yeah. And then I lock it in. And when I lock it in, because I have long arms, like I am certainly not curling it. Like I know that there's no strain on my biceps going over the thing. Right. Because I am just around it and it, I know that there's no strain on my biceps going over the thing. Right. Because I am just around it, and it's all hamstrings at that point.

Yeah. But I have no fucking idea. No one picks an Atlas stone up off the ground like this. Like, you have to, even if you're not curling. Because that's how you get your forearms to hook up with the chair. Yeah, you can't go like that. So I don't know. And they're both way better you can't. Yeah. Go like that. So I don't know. And they're better than that.

They're both way better than we are. Yeah. So maybe we are fucking up. Maybe there's something about it. But this is the worst, totally the worst way to act like you know a thing. But I was like, I've watched a lot of videos on YouTube on how to do it. And I thought that that's what I was doing. And I've certainly never had anybody coach me on it either.

So who fucking knows? But, like, my biceps were totally smoked after our competition last year. Mine were big time too. And, I don't know, maybe my biceps just made me do more curls. But the truth is, going into this event, and maybe I pre-fatigued them too much or something, but going into this event, I knew. So I was doing some heavier curls, and then I'd back off for a couple weeks

with some lighter volume, and then go heavy for a week. But I was doing more bicep work than before for months in hopes of preparing. Yeah. But I can say mine is not the muscle of my bicep. Well, mine either. It is the tendon. Is the muscle just strong enough to fucking wreck the tendon at this point? Well, that's what I mean.

Does a stronger bicep prevent this anymore? You know, like, I just wonder about, like, what people can do with neck tissue. And we're not saying this in a way which mean in which we know the answer no i'm literally saying i don't know out loud you know like is training my biceps just make me more susceptible to a tendon injury or is training it getting stronger and then is the connective tissue just a little slow to the party yeah i don't know um so if you're listening to this podcast for information, you've been fucking up. Because they're certainly not going to learn anything.

I hope they've figured that out by now anyway. We're almost 100 episodes in, and I know you ain't learned nothing. Be like, geez, this is episode 97. What have I learned? What have I learned? I think I could do something better. I learned a really good way to waste time. So speaking of injury then, yeah, tyler did i see you got some books

in the mail was that i did yeah yeah yeah i got um one that's been talked about a lot is i'm actually very interested in this it is i i've i've just started it but dr stew mcgill and brian carroll's the gift of injury and so far i haven't even gotten into i've gotten just past the injury is oh is it just pictures or do you have to read it too it actually has a fuckload of pictures so it actually is a really they knew this shit was going out to meatheads because there is a lot of pictures but no so the way it flows is and i and as soon as i posted about it i got some feedback from some other coaches too because i actually got a few i posted about it i got some feedback from some other coaches too because i actually got a few i actually got his dr stew's other book the um the back mechanic

which is great and a couple coaches and matt at forged he messaged me and he's like hey um he's like back mechanic is great he was like but the gift of injury is like the real world application of like he's like it is just just how it translates to almost any injury. Yeah. Like how you do it and how you can find a starting point. And, um, but yeah,

so good. And I just, I just started it like a day ago and I don't have many big chunks of time to do nothing. I do, but I choose to do nothing. Someone's got to make sure Instagram's still running, right? My biggest challenge as an entrepreneur,

Tommy is much better at this than I, is time management. And not working on things for too long, but I fall into do-nothing traps for hours. Oh, it's a very... I am the fucking worst, man. It's a pretty slow. Jesus slippery slope the trick around that is this is what i do is i work on a timer all day long so i'm constantly timing myself like i because

in my job i got to keep track of how what i'm doing for billing people yeah but by working on a timer you never feel like what does it matter yeah like you're literally just sitting like oh my god i see the seconds ticking. So that is a helpful tip. I have weird chunks of time too where I just may have, yeah, I should do something like that. I just have never ever been a person

who does like plans his schedule. Like even when I was a kid, my parents would be like, you need to get organized. This is about every semester when I have, when things would go wrong in school. They'd be like, you need to get organized. We're going semester when i have when things would go wrong in school like you need to get we're gonna get you the solution was always an assignment notebook yeah and you're gonna get one and you're gonna write down your assignments for that day

right when you get the assignment assigned to you you're gonna write it down and then at the end of the day you're gonna do them and that's how it's gonna work and said already i see so much wrong with you started doing that continue to do it ever since and it's worked to work. And he said, already I see so much wrong with this. And you started doing that? Continued to do it ever since? And that's worked great. Here I am just a man with a system now. No, what I started then was I would do that for two days. And I would be like, no. Because I didn't want to do the assignments.

So what I would do then. It wouldn't help if it was written in paper that you needed to do it. I wouldn't care if it got tattooed on my fucking face. So what I did was that i would just be like well no because none of this is important to me and the problem is now that the things are important to me i don't have that skill or discipline so i'm like i should have fucking listened to my old man but i like so anyway back to the before we get into the book thing as well as i'll be like i was like so today i, I've got, I've got a full hour right

now, a full hour before this deal. And I was like, so I got to get this couple things done with the gyms fucking like billing stuff. And then we're good to go. I'll start doing that. I get halfway through that. I get like a message on Instagram and it's bounced back and forth and this and that and funny thing and scroll through this and check this and do that. next thing I know 20 minutes has passed and I still haven't finished

the thing that I'm waiting on to get done before I can spend that time reading I was like oh shit okay so I get back and I do the thing and I get done and it's like all right now I got like 20 minutes left one person walks in the door and I'm fucked I was like okay now i'm chatting with this person for 10 and it's time for class so that's pretty much what happens to me a version of that anytime i try to do anything ever and it's only because i'm not trying that hard to do that thing but the book back to the book it's really really really good and i want to point people at a couple of directions too, because Dr. Stu is the fucking man. In my opinion. I see.

He even has his own Instagram page too. Sometimes you just assume certain people aren't up with it, but no, he is. Yeah. He puts out pretty good content, like pretty good information. Um,

let me find the center. So there's a couple of, have you heard Dr. Stu on any podcasts? So there's a couple out have you heard dr stew on any podcasts so there's a couple out there that are uh if you want to get a like you know get up to speed on who he is and what he's all about there's a couple episodes uh one of them is the ben greenfield fitness podcast which i don't know much about that podcast in general um but dr stew is on i believe the most recent edition of that one and goes into depth quite a bit on like everything which is it's

actually really good lots of good information my favorite one is um john wellborn at power athlete they have podcasts called power athlete radio um probably should take the spot of some of the vacant spots on our list. Some of the defunct podcasts. Power Athlete Radio is one of my favorite strength and conditioning. It is like a strength and conditioning podcast for sports performance, aside from just lifting for the sake of lifting. But episode 233, so it's from back in November, and they had Dr. Stu McGill.

And if you don't know much about Dr. Stu, he was like the NFL's back guy. Oh, he was. See, I didn't know what his background was. He was the guy that, like, if you got fucked up and your team and all of that, they couldn't fix you. Like, you went to him and it was like, we're going to take this approach and it's either, you know either this will get you back playing or nothing.

And it's not like he uses a bunch. It's just a very sensible approach to recovering. And there's a few things about it from really any injury that people should take, but is basically find a pain-free range of motion. Find moving that you can do that don't cause you pain. Stan Efferding talks about it. Stan Efferding talks about it. That's what he talks about.

That's what he preaches now. Yeah, so now Stan Efferding's done a couple of things on that same subject. But Stan Efferding, it was one of his 10-minute walks or one of his rants. Yeah, he kind of had two, one with the knees and one for the back. One of these, yep. And the one was about the back was the first one where it was like Stan Efferding. I think if you look up Stan Efferding, I broke my back back yep and the one was about the back was the first one where it was like stand effort i think if you look up stand efforting i broke my back yeah that's the one yeah but it's basically find a pain-free range of motion and move yeah and that's most eliminate

the cause and the cause is not that you were like if you hurt your back dead lifting the cause is not dead lifting the cause is how you fucking deadlift so don't deadlift that way obviously you got to go you got to remove so if you're going to not deadlift for a while that's okay too but you need to work on getting to that range of motion that you can do pain-free um but but eliminate the cause fix the cause of the pain and i think with that he tied in like their phrase correct me if i'm wrong i think you called it picking the scab yeah yeah and he said you know a lot of people just get their their own worst enemy is oh my knees hurt but i want to fight through it and you just make it worse or you might think you're making some

progress so you go right back to doing what you always did and um yeah it makes sense when that's why you don't get any better like tanner i was fucking atlas stones what the fuck just gotta pick the skin that's yeah all. My injury is finally healed. I'm going to do this the same exact way. Why did it hurt it again? But, uh, it's cause we're not smart.

Um, but then doctors, well, I am, but then, uh, but then, and then,

and then, but, but basically just move. So find pain free movement and move. So, um, what so many people do is they get a back injury and they're like, oh, fucking poor me. I just got to sit around and I'm going to make sure that I gain 40 pounds.

And so my sadness about my injury turns into sadness about my overall well-being. And then my fucking wife's going to not like me because I'm fat now. And so everything goes to shit. And that's usually what happens to people like for real like how many people you probably don't know many person but i know of lots of people who get a back injury doing anything none of them none of these people are people who got it lifting but someone gets a back injury for any number of reasons and they just kind of like turn into a bunch of sad saps and spend the rest of their life on

disability all right yeah just like anything physical like i i got a bad back like tommy you could do your job in a goddamn wheelchair back hurt back or not yeah truthfully yeah oh yeah but it's like i hurt my back i gotta make sure i do nothing with the rest of my life now right yeah and so there's kind of a lot of that that goes around and let's think find pain-free movement and move do what you can if it's walking walk but like just work do a thing and so but that's like the kind of the like the a few of the foundations of it but i haven't got so far through the book but i've listened to probably like probably about like 40 hours of interviews with dr stew and he's yeah it's i mean

he's he's the dude like he's the guy the other one that i liked um and i don't know if this was more because i've heard stan talk about him several times and i feel like i've heard him come up on another podcast but i don't know if this was stan or someone else or stewart uh dr mcgill but um there it was someone's view on like training your core abdominal region all all that, you know, a lot of people get stuck into thinking crunch. I need to flex. It's a flexor. And like really know the point of your core is a stabilizer to support you.

And I think it was on there. They talked about like, he likes to use planks. He likes to use weighted carries. Planks, heavy carries. Yeah. One arm carries.

Little things like, like bird dogs. And if you get into some of the other, some of the other things too, that they do at power carries little things like like bird dogs if you get into some of the other yeah bird dogs the other things too with that they do at power athlete things like um like dead bugs some other like almost like crawling movements and things like that that are not loading your back but are challenging your core so not just doing 1000 crunches and basically the crunches are a waste of your time kind of like it's it's one is it trains a bad pattern yeah and and two like it's just not that effective like i don't know

to me and i don't know about you but the best ab work i ever get is dead lifting and that's in just fucking well i i was telling tanner the other day i've started um for the first time in my life consistently doing planks and i'm just doing just regular what do you call just the regular plank just a front plank or whatever it is yeah just 30 seconds because even some things i was reading and again i don't know hardly anything about planks but some things i was reading were like you don't even really need to go over 30 seconds, like much longer than that. And you're probably doing the exercising correctly. And I'm getting to the point now where I feel like I'm, I think it took me a while to really figure out to like take your back out of it and really make it so that you're engaging that front. And now like I can almost go into that position.

Like I feel like I can almost turn it on right away. And within like 10 seconds, like just you can feel that flexion and you're like that tightening up that was one of the things that i had to learn when i started working with julian pano was that like back movement is stabilized from the front and there's another guy some of his stuff i just don't know whether or not to validate but there's a guy on instagram called stop chasing pain is the account half of his information i'm like oh that's fucking totally sensible i get it the other half gets into things that i just don't know whether or not they exist you know what i mean like there's just like is that a nervous system thing like he's talking about nerves and this and memory and i'm like i don't know of any of these things so i can't

speak for someone but one of the things that he said that stuck with me was he was like if um he said if if you have pain in your back you need to you need to address how you stabilize your front yeah and and that's and that's it like one of the way i teach people to stabilize their their lumbars to really really just drive out your obliques and lower abs and you literally if that is tight if i come to your side and I dig in with my fingers and you push that out, you can't articulate your lumbar at all. Your thoracic will move, but your lumbar will not. And so when I did lift heavy, that's my cue,

is if somebody has their fingers pushed into your sides and you drive them out and then drive with your lower abs down and out that you can um you know your lower your lumbar and i had i've had since then not a lick of back pain as i added a hundred pounds to my deadlift you know not a fucking lick of back pain because my lower back doesn't move and i've noticed that too with with myself is i back in my beginner days anything deadlift would always hurt my back i shouldn't say hurt but my back was always sore and it just always was and it's like i wonder at what point i just get good enough at deadlifting that my back isn't sore my back's just gonna get stronger and i was like doing back extension i mean this is like

five plus years ago when i didn't know anything at all and uh then it was just like cleaning up my form and all of a sudden it's like when i when i didn't do touch and goes and when i'd reset and get in the correct starting position like that almost went away completely to the point where it would only happen after my heaviest days and now it's finally getting to the point where even after my heaviest days it's not really so much my back as it is just that whole posterior chain is what's sore. Yeah. It's like,

is that actually how that's supposed to go? You know, like, so, and I've had it now and where I noticed that it actually works is that I'll, I will, I'll deadlift. As a matter of fact,

so I don't even know if I told the story. So I've been working with trying to figure out how to do that right still, like to really engage the right muscles. it's and actually is for me is challenging because I'm not that good at it I I don't think it's an easy thing to do like for me a lot of people say the squats are really hard exercise and I've never I've never in my life had to think about the proper setup for a squat I just do a squat like it's not a thing but for me like thinking about like how to get everything tight on a deadlift and not like crank on my back like it's it's still a work in progress to this day yeah it just shows like everyone has tanner you've probably never had that issue i would i would

strongly feel the opposite squatting yes i would very very much adamantly be on the opposite end of the spectrum where it's like no matter what, how I'm feeling and everything, I can go do a deadlift and it feels pretty good. And like the stars have to be aligned just fucking so in order for me to have a day of squats where I'm like, all right. And I'm not even talking about the weight. Like I could have a day where I move good weight, but it just still. It feels like you're dying.

Yeah. But it does make me cherish those days when it does really feel good to squat where I move good weight, but it just still feels like you're dying. Yeah. But on those are, it does make me cherish those days when it does really feel good to squat. And I'm like, and I did it. I I'm Chuck and I, for whatever reason, most aligned in that because we both talk like, it's like, I don't even remember the last time I had a sore back from squatting. Like it doesn't happen ever.

I never have that problem. And then like Chuck's like, Oh, I could just keep doing like, you and like you watch chuck squat it's like yeah he can just keep throwing weight on but then he's like i just feel like my body's gonna break in half when i'm dead lifting and chuck doesn't have bad dead lifting form at all it's just me and him are in that same boat where it always feels like the worst thing in the world is happening to you yeah i haven't had a deadlift feel good in a long time and it's ever since and and that's still i think the way i protect my back is by really focusing on it like when i did so it's been like a whole process just trying to find out how to contract those muscles and finding my obliques and i was like i don't know what people mean by it so i

just push out i'm trying and it's worked but at our when we had our two-year party, that night or that day, I deadlifted that afternoon. And it actually was like an okay deadlift day. And I was like, oh, I felt pretty good about it. But I didn't drink much water that day. And then I went and obviously drank a lot of booze. And so we're about halfway through the party. And out of nowhere, I start getting like, I'm actually like, cause I'm dehydrated from it. I'm getting cramps down my like external obliques.

And I was like, Oh, I fucking figured out where those muscles are. And then it's like, I can't, you can't stretch that out like a hamstring. So you're just like, I need a ceiling to grab so I can reach and lean. Um, but that's like, for me, that's where I feel the work goes into when I, I mean, I'll feel it in my hamstrings, but when I set up, I don't worry about, you know, pushing into the floor or pulling on the bar or anything. It's all that. And then, but my deadlift has been still a cause of frustration for me, it's it doesn't cause me pain however this last week I think I started a little bit too soon back from the competition and I set up and I put warm-ups

felt fine she felt really good and I had some lofty targets that day for having not deadlifted much in a while and I set up and I go to pull and I just had like I had a triple at like 495 and then I was going to move up and i went first rep i felt like what i thought was a cramp in my side right below my rib cage i was like oh what the fuck and put it down reset pulled it hurt put it down reset pulled it hurt but i was like that's just a cramp and then i loaded up like 555 and then broke it off the floor and it really hurt. And, and I don't know,

I actually thought the way it felt when I coughed that I'd somehow cracked a rib and I didn't know how that was possible, but I actually think I might've separated a muscle off of like my very bottom rib a little bit or tore it off cause it's still pretty fucking tender and it's been a week. Um, so now everything that i do where i try to brace fucking hurts yeah and um so i don't know if i just overdid that that that one time but

but i put as much attention into a bracing like that for a light deadlift as i do a really really really heavy one and then it's just like it becomes easy to turn on stability that way um and that's like how i've learned to deadlift without hurting my back it doesn't mean that i'm good at deadlifting it doesn't mean the rest of the piece is aligned but i know that my lumbar is not taking the heat and i'd guess and that was my thing when i looked at it i was i was like fuck that sucks it hurts to breathe but i was you know, I'd rather have a fucking strained oblique than a fucking fire a disc out of my butt. Oh, yeah, right.

Truth is, like, you know, this will heal. It'll get stronger. It's whatever. But, like, you know, once a disc is fucked, it's just fucked. And I don't want to go down that road. So I just put as much attention into bracing as possible. And that's what i teach all the athletes i coach it's like just fucking brace hard and and you're not gonna get you're not gonna

hurt with a light weight that way no and even uh if you once you once you're comfortable enough with that even like maximal weight your back isn't going to be what's what gives either you you can lift the weight or like i never lose stability you're not moving the bar anymore right it's gonna stop yeah but i mean it's just my back like even if i was to miss a deadlift like because it was too heavy like my back doesn't start to round you know it's just like it doesn't move right yeah right and i think that has something to do with like as a little bit to do with just it's you are making a choice you know what i mean if you chose to just you know when you're missing a deadlift because it's too heavy not that it happens that often but you would know like you're pulling up you're gonna if you lose that stability

and fold up that's when the bar stops moving right you put it down like it's not like that's a thing where you're going to be like, well, let's try shifting and, you know, but part of it is just having the discipline to make a choice. It's like, it's going to work technically or it doesn't work. It won't work, yeah. And people that get outside that end up on the fucking table, you know. But that was the other thing with Dr. Stu is that, like, he really is a huge advocate of like if your doctor is saying that you need to have back surgery like

i mean he's like there's very few instances in which that is because they're finding that like fusing discs is is not and they're like fusing vertebrae yeah and they're like they're like not they're just it's like and I don't want to listen. Just listen to the things the doctors do. It's basically like if your doctor is saying he wants you to have a fuse, your fucking disc, maybe talk to a different doctor or talk to a doctor who is like, we're totally not doing that, and then hear him explain why.

You know what I mean? Don't listen to the doctors tell you why they're going to. Find one who's against it and hear his explanation because i'm going to guess that that's probably the most compelling argument because if the other ones are real it's kind of like well because that's just what we do you know if you hurt your back deadlifting your your doctor's going to say we'll quit deadlifting but if i hurt my back playing fucking city league basketball the doctor's not like well it's time to pack it in buddy right but but that's because your doctor can relate to a recreational sport and i'm gonna guess your doctor's kind of

a weak ass bitch you know what i mean like like like how many people fucking show up on the doctor's office from softball every year around here so many how many people do you know but blown out knees achilles torn backs, everything from fucking softball? You go in one time with an injury from lifting, your doctor's like, you've got to stop lifting forever. I was like, but I have to lift things up forever. I don't have to play fucking softball. Like softball is the thing you do with it. Well, it's because you're not dedicated to softball.

Apparently not. And there are people that really are. Do you know that type? Oh, yeah. I don't know anybody who's like my pal who's that type of person, but that doesn't register with me at all. I have no idea what compels a person to like. There's people with hundreds of dollars worth of bats.

I think that's pretty easy to do. I think like a bat is hundreds of dollars. I'm already out. That's why I'm out. Can't play these rich man games. My entire gym bag is about $100. Full worth of shit. And I've heard it from doctors too.

Where it's like someone hurt their back deadlifting. And the doctor says, well, yeah, you're never going to be able to deadlift again. But let's back up. You mean I'm never going to be able to like perform a hip hinge and pick something up from below my waist like ever like not my kids not dog food not groceries not a fucking jug of milk yeah not everything ever because that's what a deadlift is like it's like if we remove the fact that you think it's a meathead lift like like it's just lifting a thing up off the floor dude like so you do it how you do

it and see how that works when something's heavy you know but like i just i don't get that mentality when a doctor says that i tell someone find a new doctor but do you know what the difference between a doctor and god is what uh god doesn't think he's a doctor. And I have clients that are doctors that are very nice people. That think they're God. There is something to be said. A guy spends 12 years in school. And then you have all the answers.

A lot of people spend 12 years in school, right? Listen, I spent two years in school. But I only spent about 45 collective minutes in class. But no, part of it is like, I don't know, how much can your doctor deadlift? Probably not that much, because he doesn't ever do it. That's true. His knees probably suck from playing City League basketball.

So who cares? But anyway, that's my rant on Dr. Stu McGill. He's the shit. I like him a lot. I might have to steal that book from you when you're done. I think even Blaine Sumner not too long ago had the books posted. Blaine Sumner's actually quoted on the back of the book even. Is he?

That's all you know. It's good. Bill Kazmaier writes the foreword. Really? I like all these. What areas does this delve into? Not 200-foot-tall people. It'll be the sequel. It's sheer insanity.

The sequel. I think we're glossing over a little bit, too, though, is Dr. Stu's mustache. How old is he? I don't know what he looks like. He's probably in his 60s. He's got a big white mustache white mustache like a ball and not just like a curl like full like yosemite sam full yeah it's awesome yeah yeah he yeah he looks like he should be like spending his time like at an old

west saloon doing like shows on the weekend not being a doctor yeah that's cool what were you reading tanner i've been reading uh the scientific principles of strength training oh yeah you know It was on the weekend, not being a doctor. That's cool. What were you reading, Tanner? I've been reading The Scientific Principles of Strength Training by Chad Wesley Smith and the Renaissance Periodization guys, which is Dr. James Hoffman and Dr. Mike Israetel. Is that a big book? It's like 300 pages. It's not a textbook, but it's a readable book. Yeah, it's not like reading. i would like that when you're done it even says this we're not trying to be

super training yeah you know like this is you should be able to turn pages right right and it i mean it's a lip like if you weren't interested in it it would be pretty dry and it'd be tough to follow but i'm very interested in it so like I want to keep reading and just a really basic of it. It's just, it just goes on every week. You go to the gym. That's it. It just do a little more every time forever, forever. And then where do you stop?

Never. You just get stronger until you're stronger than everybody. No, there is just, there's, there are seven basic principles of strength training and they're in order for most important to least important so if you're not doing the the base of the pyramid don't even jump to the last one yes start at the base and and go from there and that's the basics of it and i haven't finished them all but what what are some of the ones you've gotten through uh really i've the first part of the book is almost basically just like terminology, like talking

mesocycle, micro cycle. So everyone's talking the same language. Yeah. So you can really read the book and it's not crazy technical terms, but it's just, so when you read a sentence, you don't think. I would guess most people, if you told them those terms, it'd be like, yeah, I've heard that. And then if you said, give me the actual definition, you'd be like, a mesocycle is, uh, three to five weeks long, typically, uh, three to four or five weeks of,

uh, progressive training with one week of a deload at the end. And then you're like, okay, now if you say mesocycle, yeah. Now when you, when I read that, okay, I know you're talking about a month essentially. Uh, but then the,. But then the first block of the pyramid is specificity, and you'd really have to read the book to, you know, I'm not going to go into that. But that's the first block of the pyramid, and then it goes from there. I'm going to guess that it means being specific. Well, I don't want to get too specific on specificity today, but it's really good. You can tell like

i can in reading the writing i can almost hear chad wesley smith talking in parts of it and a big man with boat shoes talking to you and and if you've ever heard uh mike israel yeah and you know you can i can hear him talking and these are guys that walk the talk and talk have talked i mean have demonstrated the principles chad wesley smith i really i mean i don't if you don't like respect chad wesley smith credentials and i don't know who you would yeah i don't know like like i don't think there's anybody who's like fuck fuck chad yeah i was like what does that guy know quote okay since i just said that though can we quote me well you said that for the re-print words. For the reprint of the book, they can put that on the back.

The general idea is that it is not a program. The book, it is not a program book. It's just principles. You can come up with your own method. Yes, that's what it's supposed to be. That's what it's designed. If you fully understand the principles, you can program. You can become an Instagram coach.

That kind of would be the joke. You don't even need to do that. This can become an Instagram coach. That's kind of, it would be the joke. You don't even need to do that. This would probably be overqualified. You would be overqualified. But the idea is then is you can apply these to your own training and, you know, maybe apply it to programming to enhance it or,

you know, come up with your own. The other one, I don't know if we've talked about mike israel as well in the past but like he um if you're you should follow him on all of your social media he's big he's he's well i don't think he's tall oh no but he's pretty big yeah yeah no offense doc but uh but no he's big he's fucking jack yeah but you know chad wesley smith kind of is the um strength side of things yeah and mike israel does i believe he does all, like, nutrition and science for Juggernaut.

And then for Renaissance Periodization, he does all of their, like, nutrition and stuff like that, too. But he is, like, the nutrition and, like, muscle guy. Like, he's the one, if you want to build build muscle he is all of the science all the and all like the actual sensible information not like they're just it's a no bullshit that's why for all nutritional stuff there's i'm sure there's things out there but like i would hold renaissance periodization as like the gold standard yeah from what i've seen in no nonsense it's it's qual like if you're if you you can they offer free things even that you can do as specific and dialed in as you could possibly imagine through them or you could just do a you can do a very guided sustainable i haven't seen

them put any posts out for five week challenges so no i think that speaks to their credibility yeah well for real like yeah anybody who's like who's like hey that's what draws me we got a four week four weeks you get your fit tea your fucking isogenics bullshit you're fucking this or that and then like it's you're like that's how you know it's stupid yeah we're gonna do a three week fucking post-holiday reboot and then we're gonna get back on track how sad would it be though for your life for your diet to constantly be just a marketing scheme like your the food you eat exists your existence for eating is based on a marketing scheme like wouldn't that be a sad way

to live yeah like oh man like here i am just ripping people off 21 day fixes at a time or or to not even be getting not even be the one ripping people off to be the one falling for that like to think like i do need to go for the four week after christmas reboot like yeah it's like there's thousands of people out there that do that. And it's like, God, that's really sad. I took vitamins. I only had two protein shakes a day. And I took a detox tea. I took my detox tea. With 700 milligrams of caffeine.

So I had, guys, so much energy. You wouldn't believe how good I feel on this detox tea. The feeling of detoxification is incredible. I did shit out about seven to eight pounds in 21 days i did also lose about seven pounds because i didn't eat any food so here i am 15 pounds lighter in 21 days it works the best things to do are the least sustainable like you can find something that you literally can't do for more than four weeks like don't eat that. Like replace your food with something that's not food and eat that. And which you won't be able to do for long.

Because you were put on this earth to drink fucking shakes. And you want to make sure most of your disposable income every month goes to this habit too. If you can spend $700 a month on supplements. You need to go for nine. It should be nine. You need to go for nine. It should be nine. What you should do, instead of spending $700 a month for supplements,

you should spend $2,500 right now and we'll get you in a distributor package. And then your supplements are free if you just get 11 people to spend $700 a month on supplements. With 12 of the most encouraging people you could ever meet in your life. All of you are going to start vlogging and talking about how it's changed your life. You're going to buy this pack. You're going to open up your first package and take it, but you're going to pretend like you've had this nutritional

knowledge your entire life, even though you're overweight and you're starting today. That's how a lot of that shit goes. It's like, why is the people pushing that stuff the like the worst or it's people who the people at the top are people who have always been fucking thin well it's like listen motherfucker talk to me about your trans your fucking wonderful transformation you started taking this stuff six months ago but for the last year and a half you were eating cheeseburgers and maintain

the same physique uh-huh the fuck out of here with that shit so renaissance periodization over everything else basically yeah i don't know who i would pay short of just going to a nutritionist which i always recommend because rp will do one-on-one stuff also but they'll also just what you want to pay for they'll also do just like a guided template for you based on what you want to do and um but yeah i would take i would take them over literally any nutritional stuff i'd find online they seem to be really good yeah and dr mike's the shit so follow him on i actually like they came out with a book about recovery too that's just new um not recovery from injury recovery from training yeah and it's they the book follows the same format here's your i don't know how many principles are in there if it's five or

what the number is this is the most important one and sleep is towards the sleep might be sleep is like the one or two or something and it's like don't worry about how much fucking creatine supplement you're taking that's this little tiny little block right here dial and this that's the snowflake on top of the mountain it's like don't ask us because if you're fucking if your fucking sleep is only 80 percent dialed yeah creatine might equal one tenth of one percent of sleep and and maybe nutrition is also one of the probably one of the top in there too so if you're not eating and sleeping it does not matter what supplement you're taking about your designer fruit fruit flavored uh caffeine that you have to pump in i i like that the way that you know this book is and how that one is too. I would, I mean, that's just sensical, you know, it just makes sense.

Yeah. And, and that's like, yeah. So RP, Dr. Mike too, I highly recommend that you follow him on Facebook for one reason and one reason alone. Um, the long form content that he, he posts, he essentially will write every day hundreds of words and it's gold. It's all good information.

Some of it might be on a training particular muscle group. Some of it's food. Some of it's rest. But it's fucking gold. And you can't always get that length on Instagram. So follow Dr. Mike Israetel

on Facebook for sure. He will not be your friend. He has too many friends. I tried. Well, he won't be your friend. Maybe he won't be my friend because I called him short. Not to his face, but, but no, it's yeah. So RP, they're a massonomics.

We endorse them. Yes. I would like it if they would endorse. Listen, we, so we, they're at Mastodonomics. We endorse them. Yes. I would like it if they would endorse. Listen, so we've been sponsoring. We've been sponsoring them for so long. If they sponsor us, I'll use their services for free too. For sure. You would do that?

I would do that. You'd take that challenge? Yeah. I'm actually at a point now where I don't know if i would like take a meal plan at this point i'm kind of okay with what i eat and i can just dial things up or down like like i don't know that i would want any more specificity in my food than what i have because i kind of enjoy i keep it fast and loose but i it's dialed in just enough to where i can do what i want with it i can get bigger by adding a couple things. I can get smaller by removing a couple things.

And I don't feel like shit. A meal plan would be very tough for me because... You like to party? Well, no, I could hit... You're breaking years of habits? No, I could... Because you're so fat? I don't...

Most of these reasons. Because it goes against your religious beliefs? Because you're going bald faster than I am. For those listening, you can't see to confirm or deny, but Tanner is losing hair at a alarming rate. It's all going to my back. It's falling down. That's exactly where mine is going. Actually, I only have like five back hairs.

Really? Yeah. My wife shaves my back every time I shave my head. There's so few that you don't even notice them so they'll get they'll get really long over time because you know if you had a ton of them you're not gonna let it get like that long yeah but like if you just have like three that you don't even really notice all of a sudden you'd be like oh my god why is that i think everyone does have the ability like on a shoulder to grow to like to grow like a three inch hair in two weeks yeah somehow that happens

if you look at it you're like it's random disgusting yeah what does that guy take am i a man or an animal yeah i've actually as my hair goes it's you start getting now where like the hair in my mustache is less i can't tell the difference between his going out of my nose than hair that is now a part of my mustache this is the first time i've ever really had facial hair and i've even noticed that myself when i look in the mirror i'm like hmm is my nose hair any longer yeah and that's the problem i'll have something will get in my nose but no what i found is i'll like i'll like go i'll wipe my mustache and then all of a sudden I'll wipe my mustache, and something will pull to make my eyes water. And I realized that I had just pulled a nose hair out of my fucking nose.

Nose, ears, and back. And back is whatever. Back hair is what back hair is. Some people just have it. If you're fortunate enough to have a significant other who's in it for the long haul, she should understand that that's her job is to keep your market value high it reflects well on her so my wife understands

that concept so she keeps the back trimmed for me every time i cut my shave my head the back she chops the old back hair down is it like that your hair is running away from your face and escaping your back literally everywhere else the mustache traps a lot of moisture in it too like if you go outside this time of year yeah you're like how did my mustache get so crusty well yeah like you'll get out of the shower and 30 minutes later i'll be like oh that's my mustache still wet you should get a beard like this it basically doesn't dry it's just wet for years on old mold in there. Yeah, it's super musty. But yeah, so, but the back hair thing is a bit of a problem. But I will tell you, back hair on its own is not as gross because it's manageable.

But like tufts of shoulder hair. You ever seen that? No, I haven't seen it. Like where it's just like here, like on the tops of the traps and tops of the shoulder. I don't have that. And thank God. But I see a few cases of that a year in of the shoulder. I don't have that. And thank God. But I see a few cases of that a year in the summertime. And you're like, man, that's right there. There's a mirror.

That's totally accessible. You can take care of that. And that's always a guy who has a clean-shaven face. Every day you're taking that responsibility on. You know, they show up to work every day clean-shaven and they're pleated dockers. You knew you were going to the pool today. Yeah. But, yeah, that's my curse.

It's your gift. It's your curse. It's my cross to bear on my back. Hashtag Jesus head back here. Do we have anything else we want to get to? Just the last week's episode we talked about the tribute powerlifting meet. That's Matt from Pioneers, one of the big ones, spearheading that. Bobby Morgan is his name.

He's actually the meet director of this meet. And he let us know. He saw our post about the podcast this last week, and he gave it a listen. And he said if you guys got any other questions, I'd be happy to run down any answers I could or help any way possible. So I put together a list of questions, 10 questions to ask him here today, and he got back to me right away, and all good answers here. So number one, I asked, will everyone be in knee wraps or knee sleeves and is the squat

out of a monolift or out of a combo rack and he said uh it's classic raw which would be wraps and raw no wraps meet okay so it's two one the first day okay and one the second day the first day would be in knee wraps the second day will be in these sleeves whether or not i would be allowed to compete in both um i think you can but you have to wear both at the same time i could do that i could go i could go raw i can go i'm gonna go bare knees and in wraps yeah and then one of each or yeah one would be tricky that would feel weird just go down on the whole real hard on one so that would feel really weird uh and he said they'll be squatting out of a combo rack i asked why is why is it the ipl um why is this an ipl meter or what what is the ipl about and he

said ipl is the parent organization to the usPA. So USPA, which would be more. So the IPL is international. Yes. He said kind of like IPF is to USAPL. I did not know that. No, I didn't either. Honestly, this maybe is going to make me sound stupid. But I was like, what is this obscure?

That's what I thought too. Well, here's the deal. Could have fucking Googled it, but didn't. So there I am. We all did that. Guilty. Could have fucking Googled it, but didn't. Yeah. So there I am. Yeah, we all did that, so. Guilty. Yeah.

I asked, who are some of the lifters that have registered so far? So far registrations, we have Dennis Cornelius, which that's very interesting because there again. Well, he already, I believe, can't do Worlds because I think he did another league here. Yeah, he did. Okay. So John Hack. He's been out of that for a while now.

Pete Rubish, which that's a pretty interesting one to see. Kaler Woolham. Another good one. Stacey Burr, Nicole Gonzalez, and many more. He said they have roughly 30 elite lifters registered so far. I asked how they're kind of doing that selection process, and he said they're picking lifters from the top three of powerlifting watches, open classic raw and open raw divisions in the weight class.

So if you're in the top three, you're getting an invite and if you don't if they don't fill up their classes with those top three then they're just going to work their way down the list until did you say it's 2018 people are on open powerlifting i didn't but i that was honestly my first thought when i was like powerlifting watch we kind of like the guys from open powerlifting like let's migrate over yeah let's get with the times dude uh i i asked who who are the others they're inviting or we don't know the other guys totally nice guys but they suck i said who are some others or who would you really really like to see get registered and they said they're waiting on responses from Larry Wheels, Rob Philippus,

and other big names like theirs. Did you say anything about the – From the IPF, we have invited Ray Williams and numerous other lifters. Only a few have registered, such as Dennis Cornelius and John Hack. I asked, how will the prize money be divided out and he said payouts for prizes will ultimately be determined by the amount that is raised what we do know for sure is we will split the pot four ways best lifter by wilks men and women in the raw and classic raw okay so i was wondering how they were gonna if it was going by weight classes or Wilkes or. Yeah. So it's really not weight class would be completely irrelevant basically.

Pretty much. Yeah. You know, it's literally Wilkes score, classic raw and Wilkes score raw. And then they also said within the weight classes, if the money's there, you know, first place, we'll get a thousand, second, 700, third, 300, probably need to see at least $120,000 in cash prizes to be able to do that. The ultimate goal is $150,000 in cash prizes. And he said it would be about 50 lifters each day being the two-day event. Last thing was I asked about what companies out there have pledged money so far. And he kind of on that one, he referred me to Matt

and said he could answer it better. But he knows that several companies have donated, and right now they're up to about $26,000. He knows for sure. It's not a bad start. No, that's a pretty good start. That's good info, I guess. It's cool to see the people that have registered already then

you know pete rubish yeah yeah i would the ones he mentioned you know if if larry wheels and quads like rob both jumped in there or like kevin oak that'd be another good one to see uh ray williams of course that would be the ultimate but that's yeah i would be willing to hang out with us then that's true i'd be willing to wager. He'll probably be hanging out with us then. That's true. I'd be willing to wager he's not going to though because of. I'd be really surprised if he did because that knocks him out of like world competitions. Yeah. But maybe he just, maybe he would decide he wants the money.

Maybe he wants some of that sweet moolah. Yeah. Yeah. It would happen. I'd take it. If you're going to invite me invite me i mean i'll go i will squat no less than 400 pounds on that platform if i would think that if ray williams was he was like all right i'm gonna do it the ipf would be smart to be like we'll pay you whatever you could win there to

just keep doing not do that ipf us apl meets Oh, yeah. Because he's like the biggest name they got. By far. Yeah. Right? I mean, who's even in? No one. I mean, they're not. That's an interesting.

They're not like beholden to one of those organizations. No. I mean, they could leave it at any point. But if he competes in these other ones, he can't compete at IPF Worlds if you compete out. You have to sit out for a year. Yeah, that year. Yes. So he could. He could go in. for a year. Yeah, that year. So he could.

He could go in. Take a year out. Take that money. Yeah. Miss Worlds. Because this meet is when? In July, June? August.

August. Yeah. And I think Worlds is usually like in, is that in August too? Or is it in the summer? I can't remember when it is, but yeah. Either way, he'd catch it just on the front end, or he would have to wait a whole year and some, but you never know. I thought he was going to come to our strongman competition this summer.

I think he's thinking about it. He's a tentative yes. I think when we texted him, it was just showing dot, dot, dot at the bottom for a really long time, and maybe he's still thinking. Yeah. Big Ray was at friends of the podcast in alabama at the diamond k powerlifting meet this weekend and they were talking about massonomics things so good yeah that is good i liked i liked ray's uh instagram story with like his video

with money time playing really loud and he's driving down the freeway like going to he's like i always know what time it is. So, well, that's got us about wrapped up for today. Anything else we need to hustle? We'll hustle our shit now. So, guys, make sure you go to massanomics.com. There you're going to find all our articles, videos. The most important stuff, however, the store.

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