Massenomics Podcast - Episode 330: Brandon "Campbell" Diamond

Episode Date: August 1, 2022

Big Brandon “Campbell” Diamond joins the short list of two time guests on the show. We talk to him about the best barbells, best basements, and training with Juggernaut AI. Juggernaut AI: juggernautai.app and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ Swiss Link: https://www.swisslink.com and use code MASS to save 15% Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

Thanks for what you do with your podcast and all the rest. You're doing a great job. I hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! everything massonomics here we are for episode 330 of the massonomics podcast the lifting podcast about nothing my name is tanner and my name is tommy this podcast is going to be bussing for real for real no cap tanner we're uh locked and Are you locked and loaded over there? I'm locked and loaded over here. I don't know about you, but I'm ready to bring the heat, as they say in the biz.

We're going to bring the heat. We've got a lot of catching up to do to catch up to this pen podcast that I just learned about. We're falling behind to the pen addict. An even more obscure podcast with even more episodes than us but does he pump out multiple episodes a week i don't know i'm actually not sure i think they've been going at a very long time okay i think yeah longer than us though yeah i think they've been making podcasts since like the early teens if not i don't believe it nobody's been doing it for

longer than us maybe one that sounds fake yeah i don't think there were podcasts before we started very few isn't it funny though when we did start we even it was even like the thought of like oh wish we would have started this a few years earlier then it was oh man everyone kind of podcast now well that has really changed no one made memes about everyone having podcasts in what that's 2015 or 2016 whatever it was like back then i didn't actually really personally know many people oh i'd else that had a pot yeah anyone that had i i knew way more people that didn't listen to podcasts than did yeah that that number has changed now it's kind of weird if you talk to someone they say if they're under the age of 40 and they said i've

never listened to a podcast i kind kind of think like, what, what do you do? I think, yeah, I think I know more people now that have had or have their own podcast. Then I knew people that listened to podcasts when we started. Yeah. That's,

it's kind of hard to follow that, but I do get what you're saying. Does that make sense? And you might be right there. Does that make sense what I said there? I still don't know that many people personally. I know a lot of people personally that have said, hey, what do I got to do to start one?

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Thank you. Yes. I have a question. I thought I saw in the discord because, you know, we have multiple ways of talking to each other on the phone through text messaging at the gym. But my favorite way is catching eavesdropping in the discord.

What'd you say? Messages of each other through the discord. Just eavesdropping through other conversations. We don't really talk directly to each other in the discord ever though. No, I don't actually ever have. That would be the least possible. Other than like tagging hey maybe tanner has yeah out of all of our methods of being able to communicate with each

other that would probably be our least that is really funny to think about that we uh least efficient certainly the least private yeah i mean unless we're just going to dm each other but then there's just another spot to have dms and messages so yeah not a lot of private uh informastonomics information between us going on the discord but i did pick up uh did i read did you watch the rehearsal this past weekend yes so what did you think um first of all i really like it because i love you know i think nathan fielder is just it's just really it resonates with me really well i could see how some people would not think that this is funny yeah i can too but and but my comments on it it is so over the top

isn't it though to where i'm like holy shit this is absolutely ridiculous so the first episode i think is awesome and i love the whole premise of it. And it is just ridiculous turn after ridiculous. The budget he had to have to make that happen is it is wild. And the way they're editing it, it's just making it seem even more just over the top. The way they're layering. It's so elaborate to put out one 40 minute episode of television. It is so elaborate.

Uh huh. Um, even if you don't think it's funny, you have to appreciate that yes the elaborateness of it the theme of episode two and where that's going i don't think is as good as the episode one theme to me just like i just i don't it's not as good to me i guess is what i would say i don't know how to elaborate on that what i'm curious here is because they are setting up episode two to be a multi-part thing.

I'm not sure if it's going to be a two or three or more. But the thing that could be very funny is that he really knows how to put people in very awkward situations. And so him being around multiple episodes could really amplify that. And my one other additional thought as I was watching these is like this show, of course hinges on nathan and how awkward he is and what he does but this show relies on they find the weirdest people like i'm like if because if it was granted you or i doesn't work don't work because we know him yeah but you find someone that's just like a normal person this show doesn't work like episode one you do that with a normal, regular dude. But I still wonder.

Because I would be like, if they made this elaborate whole ruse of a fictitious set that's an exact replica, I would walk in and be like, and if I didn't realize this is just a really silly show, I'd be like,

you guys are insane. Like I would realize it at that point in time. I'm like, this is literally insanity. Why are you doing this? The only thing I can think of be like, you guys are insane. I would realize it at that point in time. I'm like, this is literally insanity. Why are you doing this? The only thing I can think of is part of the movie magic, the cameras. I believe when there's a camera and cast around,

they get wrapped up in that. It makes people think, oh, maybe I'm a part of something bigger here, and they go along with it more. That has to be some element to it. That makes sense you know just like because the whole nathan for you tv show was so much of like really people are saying yes yeah and i think it's well but you're on a tv show and like yeah we came here i guess it's maybe gonna help my business or something and on the original tv show some of the people weren't quite as weird. But so far in this new show,

he's really succeeding in getting people that are really odd. But the common thread is he puts out ads for people on Craigslist. And he always has and he still does. Well, exactly. Who are you finding on? The people that browse these ads on Craigslist. I don't know anyone that browses. It's not even like people looking to buy something. It's people in whatever that classified section is. i don't know anyone that browses that section so it's a different

type of person there as well it was so ridiculous like some of the stuff um just blowing my mind how like when he walked into that guy's house for the first time and he's like oh it's like a labyrinth of doors over here and then they show him like he rehearsed that same exact thing yeah yeah i really liked the ending i won't book out yeah how it's like how to make love all night he's like oh i think we're gonna get along pretty good he's like i knew the jokes were all gonna hit like i just have to believe though if like i was put in this situation if i was the guy getting like on the show there would be times when I'm like, whoa, come on,

man. Like I get what's going on here. You know, like I see what we're doing, but maybe not. Maybe it's part of what you said, but I think it takes a certain person for, I'm wondering,

have they gone? It makes me think, have they started any of these before? And it just didn't work out because the person was too, right. Is there a fail? Pragmatic of like, um, or skeptical. Yeah skeptical yeah and you're like this is too silly i don't want to participate in this you know like yeah those are the thoughts i have but i i will certainly be watching uh

and what's the name of again the rehearsal the rehearsal yeah yeah good show great stuff obviously i was excited about it. I'm glad you brought it up. Otherwise, I would have forgot about it. We did have a tidbit of a lifting thing here that I thought was interesting. And the title of this topic was the Dan Bell rankings. So what this was from this week, Johnny candido in his story had a poll the poll question was rank these three out of these three lifters who ranks highest on the all-time best power

lifter ranking and that is the actual that's criteria yeah who out of these three lifters ranks highest in your ranking of the all-time greatest power lifters and it was yuri belkin russell or he or dan bell and i went through the list and it didn't take me very long to click on dan bell of course i have like personal bias but also i have reasons and i we can get to that why that makes sense to me but i was shocked when out of the three that was the lowest pick choice the same thing that happened to me candido's thing i could not believe it and i was like oh what what like i was very shocked by that and i think this is part of him even putting this poll like i don't know what his you know i'm sure this follows up in a YouTube video somehow of his but I think he's using that to make some sort of statement if I were to guess yeah I I think

and you know some more stuff here that I'm not aware of it so you're gonna drop some more facts I mean right already I think you also have to look at who johnny candido's audience is for sure and one huge indicator that his audience is very drug tested powerlifting whether you want to say usapl or not aware of the greater powerlifting landscape is it wasn't that long ago where he did a video and i believe the title was something like the strongest powerlifter of all time that you've never heard of or something and it was a video about dan bell right right and who doesn't know about this guy yeah there's no in our world that's a crazy thought i think dan still had i think dan was already the all-time world record so it wasn't like andre was there and dan bell was like number two or three or four dan bell was the strongest guy in the world and you're saying people don't know about him and the only way that can happen is if you're so in the usap world that you don't even

pay attention to the broader power lifting picture which is a wild which seems crazy to me very wild thought to me because like the idea of doing steroids has never crossed my mind but the idea of not paying attention to people that do steroids right that are in even untested federations makes no sense to me. Well, that's, I think it does show his, his group is very pigeonholed into that drug tested group. Whereas I think like our view of powerlifting or maybe even our audience, maybe I'm wrong on the audience part of it, but I know our view is we just kind of fall like all of the

power. Like we're not, I don't, I think if you listen, you wouldn't wouldn't say oh those guys are really into tested power lifting or really into untested power lifting you would just say we're just they fought whoever's strong right exactly and that's that's there's also even the flip side of it some people that are super into the untested world and don't even really pay attention exactly tested and i don't think that's us and i can't relate to that either no to me there's just strong is strong and it's really cool to see all these people do it their different ways yes yes um so we put the same poll because i had that same assumption that candido probably has a very different audience than ours although i don't think ours is pigeonholed into the untested side i think it's just a broad i think we have a

more random group of people that are into powerlifting. So we put the poll up and ours was overwhelmingly Dan Bell as number one. Like it was like 75%. And then the last 15% was about split evenly between Yuri and Russell or he. And I was like, well, that was even much more drastic than what I would have guessed. You know, the other three was fair.

On Johnny's, it was fairly split between the three, but Dan was the lowest. I mean, I think there was no one in the 40s. Okay, because when I clicked it, it was, I think it was like 50 or more to Russell. Oh, and maybe I caught it early, and it started to skew further that way. Or maybe I got it at the wrong time, but yeah.

Right. Because it was, Russell was like very overwhelming. Dan was in third by a decent amount when I checked it, which shocked me at the time. And so who do you think Candido's? Because after I posted it, you know, Johnny messaged something. So who do you think his pick is? So did he actually tell you who his pick is?

Do you know this? Oh, you do know this. Yes. I think he's got to say Dan Bell. I think you have to. It's a guy that's done what no one else has ever done. Those other people are, without a doubt, some of the absolute best lifters in the world

at their weight class or their division, what they're doing. They have titles and achievements to their name, without a doubt. They're some of the very best in the world. But at the end of the day, Dan Bell's the only guy that's ever done what he's done. do you think johnny would look at it from that same perspective then i think he would wouldn't he he would yeah he did yeah um he is funny he accidentally on our poll he accidentally clicked on russell or he and goes message goes oh crap i accidentally i mean dan bell and i accidentally clicked on russell's but uh uh yeah so he he did

say dan we both would say dan and to me it's just obvious the there's power lifting there's a lot of different ways to skin the cat and win something of course that's we've talked about that a thousand times over the years but at the end of the day it is kind of about who can lift the most weight right yeah like i mean with the least amount of qualifiers in front of my name um so in this case looking at this group of raw power lifters dan has done that same thing in both sleeves and wraps so that's kind of just like i just don't know what the rest of the discussion is on that even you know like i think if you're going to bring other people into the and i don't think this was a i think this is intentionally not a list of who johnny thinks are one two and three in that ranking because a lot of people you'd put

ed cone somewhere in there you'd put john hack somewhere in there yeah but i think there was you know there's a reason he picked these three. And I think part of it is seeing that, I don't know, Uri's a little bit, I don't know the explanation for that, but it's more of a contrast between does someone pick Russell or he, or do they pick Dan Bell? Because that tells you a lot about someone's choice on what they pick there, I think. I think, yeah, it does.

Yeah, Russell or he is. I think it's insanity to pick him over Dan Bell. I'll say that. We don't do that many hot takes. I think it is. I could not wrap my head around that. No, I can't either. That doesn't make any sense.

Unless you are just so. The only way, though, is honestly, I guess, if you were just so against untested powerlifting that you just discount everything that exists and untested powerlifting. Yeah, that would be the out. I disagree, but I can understand your reason i would say and i changed the name of the game here a little bit but even then i would say well if you're going to say

tested powerlifters you got to say ray williams is better than russell or he's still don't you his totals much more i i don't know he probably has more national usF world titles. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong about that. He's got the biggest total, I think, still in sleeves tested. Yeah. It just feels hard to make a movie with that Ray Williams. I would agree with that, too. But again, we tend to favor towards the side of just absolute weight is the most impressive thing.

Uh, that's, yeah, that, that's kind of always been our view though is, is, and I don't even, we've never really even talked about it a ton,

but it's just powerlifting. The name of the game is moving the most, the most weight possible. Right. And it's just more impressive to see guys move really, really, really big weight, regardless of how much they weigh. And it's not to discount any of those other people.

No, they're still some of the best in the world. Exactly. I would love to be able to do what they do any day. Right. There's no argument that. The question here really, you know, that's the logical answer to that question. I think in less the the one reasoning i not on board with but understand if it is your reasoning is like i do not count and you know i

untested power lifting is not in the discussion for me yeah if you if you don't if you don't count it then yeah i guess in that in that group you have to pick right by default you have to pick russell because he's the only one that's untested in that part the only one that is tested in that group, you have to pick. By default, you have to pick Russell because he's the only one that's untested or the only one that is tested in that group. So interesting discussion though and interesting how drastically different the answer was from our poll group than his. Not necessarily surprising though. No, it's not.

And I'm also curious how, it's interesting with Johnny because he has such a huge audience, but how many of his people in his audience are people of maybe a similar size to him too you know because they relate to him i bet there's something to that too people of a similar size are always gonna not always they're gonna probably put more stock into people closer to their size people are going to be more likely to pick a smaller person that's never than a big person there's no super heavyweight power lifters

that are not going to pick dan bell i feel like maybe there's some outliers to that rule but that's a pretty safe rule i don't think there's anyone above that weighs more than 230 you know pick a number like wherever the line of the sand is like 240 242 or more that's not going to pick dan bell that'd be but i you know in that exact list and that that um that's just a uh probably an oversimplification but i think you're probably majority right right right but i did think that that was interesting right yeah i'm curious to see if there is anything that comes out of that if it if it turns into a bigger video topic or if it really is just not this is a poll and that was it right uh we got a can yeah okay and this is a what's in the can because i'm

like 99 sure we have not done this one before i'm really i've been warming up my taste buds all day and i really think that uh they're hot you're saying they are locked and loaded and ready to is this fresh out the oven this is fresh out the oven i hope it doesn't burn your hands i put it i put a koozie on it just so your hands this isn't a fan submit is it i've been hearing a lot of clamoring about fan submissions. This is not, but... Oh, it's skinny. All right. I'm going in here. I've not had this yet either. Crispy crack on that one.

Hmm. I think you could maybe get... You might get close on this, maybe. I'm not feeling as confident as you. I think. While I'm sitting here just staring at the game. If I just knew the color of the can, that would help a lot. Probably not. Okay.

Just kidding. What is that flavor? Didn't i guess strawberry last week uh was that last week and it was actually blackberry ah you're right that was that was last week because i'll be honest i'm i don't know if strawberry is my new chair uh cherry cola because i'm feeling a little strawberry again let me me try it. But what was it? It was black. It was blackberry when I thought. Last week was blackberry lemon. I can't put my finger on that.

Hmm. Well, I think it's, I'm guessing it's one of the fancier LaCroix's, you know, that are like shaped like this. Okay. But also it's got a skinny can's one of the fancier lacroix's you know that are like shaped like this okay but also it's got a skinny pretty flavorful let me let me give me a give myself a flavor rating again it's kind of almost got a lacroix taste to me maybe it's not that i don't know i'll say i'm going strawberry kiwi for the second week in a row. Okay. I'm going to get strawberry kiwi again.

Take a look. So it is pina frasi, which is pineapple strawberry. Oh, that's not a bad guess. That's fairly close, actually. Good guess. And it is the fancy LaCroix. It is. And I really didn't.

I just I did have the shape of the can to tip me off on that. To be fair, though, it did feel like a LaCroix it is and I really didn't I just I did have the shape of the can to tip me off on that to be fair though it did feel like a LaCroix to me though there's I couldn't put my finger on how to describe it but there was something that just makes me feel like it was a LaCroix I did not think you were gonna get the strawberry I thought the pineapple was kind of obvious here but when you said strawberry you had me surprised on that one yeah i it like pineapple i think this is pineapple pineapple the pineapple hits first it does absolutely like would you say that that's an act that's the pineapple that's first pineapple that's all i taste i don't even get the strawberry so when you said that i was kind of shocked because i i was looking at the

can saying strawberry and i couldn't really sense it in there. Yeah, there's layers to that one. I think the pineapple's on the top of the can and they put the strawberry on the bottom. Oh, I forgot to shake it up. That was the problem. I think I'd give that three and a half. That's a three and a half. I'm not a huge pineapple guy, but that's pretty refreshing.

Do you know what a upside down pineapple in your grocery cart signifies you are the one of the two of us that goes grocery shopping so actually you should know this more than upside down pineapple an upside down pineapple in your grocery cart check to the discord someone in the swingers it means you're a swinger it's your means your walk around the grocery store with an upside down pineapple is that in a movie or something? I don't know. I think it's. Was it in the movie swingers and I missed it. Is that,

what is that movie? I don't even know what that is. Isn't that the movie with Vince Vaughn? Oh, you're thinking of a wedding crashers. Oh, it's a, I'm pretty sure.

Oh, you're thinking old school. Yeah. Old school. There we go. Um, yep. It is a Vince Vaughn movie.

Okay. Swingers. I mean, that totally seems like it would be a Vince Vaughn. Yeah, it school. There we go. Yep, it is a Vince Vaughn movie. Okay. Swingers. I mean, that totally seems like it would be a Vince Vaughn movie. Yeah, it does. Here's another trivia question. I did not know that. I've never heard that. Do you know what a single solitary garden gnome on your front porch signifies?

No. No. Never. See if anyone in the Discord knows this one. Oh, we got some typing. Serial killer, swinger. Big David is correct. Also Oh, we got some typing. Serial killer. Swinger. David is correct.

Also means you're a swinger. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I've never heard these before. Uh, I'm less familiar with that one, but in recent conversation,

someone brought that up, but I do know the pineapple one to be true. Someone filled me in on the single solitary garden gnome in your front porch. Apparently I'm not, not up with the ways of the world right now. So don't accidentally walk around with an upside down pineapple next time you're at the grocery

store. I'm curious what other grocery store faux pas I've been committing all these years. I'd be curious to see it sometime now and be like... Do you know what it means if you have like 12 kielbasa's in your grocery cart? You like to have a good time? You just like kielbasa's a lot you're someone i want to hang out with this weekend all right i'm not even really sure how we got going on that even

it was a good it was oh pineapple we're pineapple liqueur there we go okay uh we do have pineapple express have you ever seen that i have absolutely seen pineapple stress i when i that movie came out i thought it was like one of the funniest movies i'd ever seen it was so funny it was great and it had the trailer had so this is probably 2006 had to be my guess when the trailer came out and it had paper planes by mia in the trailer the song and i thought at the time that was the craziest song that's how old that song is huh yeah i thought that was so awesome the the song and the video oh the whole thing was amazing i loved it i feel like that movie

i i'm not i think it's a really good movie but i feel like it's um faded like i don't i don't hear that referenced like i feel like we've never mentioned in six years of all the movies we've mentioned and stuff we've pineapple express have never come up once you know what the line that always that that's stuck with uh me and a bunch of my friends was it's daryl from the office i don't know what his character is yeah pineapple express but first he goes to the house and i think they left and he puts his hand and it was they have some casserole or hot dish he goes the food's still warm they were they were here and then he's asking him something he goes i seen it and like we said i seen it forever that

was so funny yeah he puts the food still warm and he has his hands in the casserole that is good i haven't seen it for a really long time. It's been a very long time for me, too. Today is my cat. You know what today is? Today is my cat's birthday. And I make him a big cake, and then they just start beating each other. Right?

That's fine. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Some great stuff there. And they triangulate the cell phones. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You were going gonna say something well we have our next point here to talk about oh yeah and it's the long-awaited stock segment ah do we have time now or where are we we might have to save that for after the 30 minute mark wow okay we might have to do supporting our supporting members actually yeah sneak that in have to do supporting our supporting members actually yeah sneak that in um should we support our supporting members i think we should we probably should right yeah so supporting our supporting members it's a relatively new segment to the podcast and what we do here is there's this group of uh people that uh choose to support the massomics podcast monetarily through our

supporting membership options available on our website there's at least four different options out there to you for you to choose from and all the options come with amazing perks some of those being a discount code access to our discord community that's probably the biggest thing you get live access to this first half hour when we're recording you can listen along live with our group now, and you can actually influence what it is we say on the podcast sometimes. We might look over, you post something, and we think, ha, that's funny, I'm going to say something about it right now.

And sometimes we ignore it. Yep. A little of both. So, yeah, you could become a supporting member. And then also probably the coolest perk is sometimes you get in on this segment. So, number one, Big Scants, of course, is in supporting our supporting members. He finds a way to make it all the time. He competed in another Highland Games competition this last weekend. And he didn't throw in the Masters division.

He went open against all the young bucks. Yeah. No Masters for Scants. That doesn't seem right does it uh big david i think i saw he's listening along live tonight he competed at strongman uh strongman core west coast regionals in the 200 pound class and um he did have a write-up that started uh not the not the beat he wanted. I did see that in there. And I appreciated that.

He didn't win, but you know what? He tried damn hard. That's really all we care about. That's what matters to me. He still gets a trophy in my mind. And then this last one, Matthias Cash, big Matt C underscore lifts. He competed in his first USAPL meet.

Listen to this. At one weighing 164.5, he squatted 573. Damn. Benched 331 and deadlifted 617 for a 1521 total. You said his first USAPL meet. Still. Wow. Yeah. At 164?

Wow, those are some great numbers. No kidding. All well-rounded great numbers too. I'm like, oh, this guy knows how to lift. He's been to the gym a time or two. I'm assuming he's a supporting member. He knows how to party too, so this guy's kind of got it all. Big Matt knows what he's been to the gym a time or two. And I'm assuming he's a supporting member. He knows how to party, too. So this guy's kind of got it all. Yeah.

Big Matt knows what he's up to. I mean, he has a lot of big mats to have competition with. Yeah. So he's really doing his part to try and separate himself from the others. Yeah. Really impressive, though. Good stuff. Huck Finn just messaged you SOB.

Not sure why it is that I'm an sob but well i think you know why yeah actually i actually called earlier this week and i haven't called him back yet so um but i think they're recording their podcast tonight too it looked like so do you want to tell your story about how you had those text messages on your phone oh yeah so time before i'm like earlier today the last three um text messages in my phone were uh brandon diamond brandon campbell bobby thompson and huck finn and if we've said things like this before but if you would have told like five years ago us that or six or ten years ago yeah i would have been like what that doesn't make any sense yeah what is the scenario that led to this and uh now it's just like uh just like doing

business at mass at the office yeah it's just a day at the massonomics office it is fun and it is really cool um but it is funny to think back on what uh you know 25 year old me would have been like what is going on? What did I deserve to do this? What did I do to deserve this? Okay. Some people, I had alluded to, we might have info about an upcoming drop.

I didn't make promises. I said there might be info. And what's holding us back is we're just, we actually don't know yet the details. We could say this. There's an important August drop coming up. We don't know the date yet because we literally don't. Yeah, we're hoping the first week in August.

Yes. But we don't know. It could be the second, hopefully not the third week. Right. We are hoping for the week this comes out that there's a drop. That there's a drop. So yeah, if you're listening to this, make sure to get onto the website or at least just pay attention on social media and see if there's anything.

And it is a drop that we're really excited about. It's got a few cool things in there. One thing in particular that we're really really think it's gonna blow the doors open but that's just so happens to be the thing that we don't know for sure the eta on yet so we can't uh put the cart before the heart horse so to speak we're just playing the waiting game right i don't want to count our chickens before they've hatched no we do not so that's it that's it. That's your update on that. All right. Bye, Discord. See you, Discord. Now should we get, speaking of Big Brandon, should we get him on the horn? Let's do it. Hello. hello big brandon is that you this is the biggest brandon that you guys could ever imagine what's

going on guys not too much you are of course live on the mass dynamics podcast if you didn't know that already i have been looking forward to this most of my adult life. Well, you've now reached that rare territory of being a repeat guest, which very few people, very few people can say that. I'm thinking, I was,

I was thinking about that myself. I was like, I wonder how many people actually, number one, been asked to be on a second time. And number two, have actually accepted. So I am,

I am, I'm truly blessed my friends the list of asking is really long the list of accepting really short i just don't know well it's a it's a very high billing to live up to but some of your past guests since the last time i've been on so i feel honored to be asked that yeah what happened is we've officially run out of people that we know or that we've run out of people that we know. We've run out of people that we can find on Instagram. So we're circling back through.

Okay, I'll take that. Repeat customer. Sold. So we are excited to talk to you, though, because it's probably been like, I don't know, it's probably about episode 200. So it's maybe been two and a half years since we've had you on even. It's been a long time. I mean, we were in the other room. Yeah, that's probably been like, I don't know. Uh, there's probably about episode 200. So it's maybe been two and a half years since we've had you on even it's, it's been a long time. I mean, we were in the other room. Yeah, that's true.

Um, so things have changed since then. So we got a lot of catching up to do. Yeah. You guys have gone bougie. So yes, slinging, slinging safety spotters for drinks and everything. It's a wild time to be alive. Who would have thought that this is where we would end up? Yeah. I'm actually, I'm looking at my drink spotter right now,

which is mounted to my GHD, which could also have been a drink spotter. So I don't know if that's a double negative. I don't know if they can't, I don't know if they cancel each other out. So you are in the GHD camp, like to be clear on that. Yeah. You know, I had a, I had a reverse hyper before and it just it didn't do it for me i think it's one of those things that's like it's a 50 50 shot if it's going to actually do anything for your lower back and it wasn't for me so it had to go so ghd was the

way it was and i love my ghd but what if we said ghr what would you say no nope no okay no i'm struggling i get i'm getting so wrapped up in this i start to forget what i even originally thought i thought what thought hr is okay okay we always said ghr okay yeah so the the the way that someone explained to me that made sense is that the machine is a ghd and the movement is a GHR. Yeah. I don't like it because it's not what I think. It's not what I want it to be. I mean, that's a fair argument.

Okay. So we do have kind of a list of things we want to talk to you about. And something interesting here, as we all know know Tommy and I both use Juggernaut AI for our training you use Juggernaut AI for your training and you've actually used it for all really long you know you're probably up there on the list of people that have continuously used it you're pretty senior right right how long have you been on it yeah so I think I started on the programming, I want to say about 18 months ago or so. So it was December-ish of 2020. So yeah, about a year and a half probably. It'll be two years this coming December.

So I'm not good at math. I got to apologize, guys. But yeah, long time. Yeah. And obviously, it's worked pretty well for you it seems like yeah you know what i'm i'm i told chad i was like i'm gonna ride this thing till the wheels fall off either of the program or myself and it's just uh it's one of those things that i've been using it for so long and and you might this might come up in conversations on on the course of the call

or whatnot but it's interesting because it's like it just keeps throwing more and more at me and it just kind of keeps adapting to what I can handle, which is a lot. So like, I just got out of a hypertrophy block where I was literally squatting four times per week. And each time that I was squatting, it was like for sets of like 10 and somehow my old man knees and back is just held up really, really well. So it's really kind of gotten me to where I need to be. So, yeah, I saw you had some, some posts referencing that. And I didn't know if that was something you were specifically requesting juggernaut to do, or if that was what it was just throwing at you. No. Yeah. So it's like one of the things that as people use it, what you'll find is it, it uses a lot of like a MEV and MRV. Right. I'm not sure if you guys are super familiar

with that, but basically like after a block block depending on how you rate certain things they'll just say all right you know this guy can handle some more work we'll throw it at him or hey we need to scale this back because his rpes and his ratings are are too high for what they should just based off my responses for squats they just keep adding more and more volume onto it where like for my hypertrophy blocks i need like 40 working sets of squats uh per week apparently and it's working i mean my squats have been going up really well so i can't complain yeah the uh you can look at within the within the app you can see what it within your training right now in for each of the main lifts in each phase, whether it's hypertrophy, strength, or peaking,

you can see what your MEV, MRV range is. And that number is number of sets, correct? Number of sets per week for that lift, right? Well, it depends. So it's like the minimum amount you can need to get, to get progress versus like the maximum where you can't recover from. Right. So, I mean, it could be reps. It could be sets. It just, it just depends. Okay. But yeah. And, and, I mean, I'll tell you your frequency too. It tells you a little bit of everything, like how you're being

programmed for. And what I like about that aspect for is, as someone who's come from paid coaching as well, which also worked really well for me, like I didn't have much of a clue what the hell's going on. I just kind of looked at what they gave me for the week or for the four weeks. And then I said, all right, I'm just going to do this. And then in another four weeks, I need to know what to do.

But at least with the Juggernaut AI app, really kind of shows you where you are in the process and continually updates you about how things are changing and why they're changing. What I'm wondering, we haven't been using it for as long, so it really hasn't had the opportunity to make that drastic of changes for ours yet. What I'm wondering, for those changes,

that it's getting you squatting that many times per week, is that literally just from you over time answering the questions, basically your RPE per set? Or are you at the end of training blocks answering questions about how overall the... Are you rating your days as like a five and a six? Right, right. Or yeah, are you doing something really significant or like at the end of the training block saying my squat volume is too low you know that sort of thing yeah no so actually no so okay for this you know at the end of a week at the end of a block they give you basically a rating of one through five and three is right in the middle so if you go below three that's

basically saying you need less if you go above three that's saying you need more i just keep it at three to be honest i just let the program do what it is which by definition of the program is they're just going to continue to program how chad would see fit i think what it changes for me is like when i'm doing my actual working sets during the week uh the weight that it might suggest and kind of where i end up or what i rate those things that are supposed to be a certain RPE. If I'm rating them less than that, it's basically seeing that, Hey, this guy needs more work. Cause it's not really what we need to do. Okay. What is, uh, could you pinpoint, uh, one part of the program that's your favorite aspect of using it? Yeah. So I think for me, what's really helped and it's hard to say like one specific thing but what has worked best for me is that it it's smart programming in the sense of using the rpes and

also just the daily readiness scale like when you first start going into a training session it's going to ask you some real basic questions. How did you sleep last night? How did you eat? How are you feeling? And it breaks it down based off of body parts. Like being honest with the app, which is the key thing, and longevity. Obviously, the more you use it, the more the app learns your own kind of training preferences and how you respond to stuff. But what the app will do is it will scale back in certain circumstances.

So you might see if you log into the app at the very top, there's the daily readiness rating. And like, I find that really correlates to how I feel and how I perform. So if that thing starts to dip into like the 17s or 16s, I basically can relate to that because I feel like crap. And again, it's based off how you rate things, both in the pre-training surveys, post-training surveys, during the actual app, I mean, during the actual week itself. And what I've found is, is by then seeing that and scaling back, I can recover in like a week or two and I'm not going to get hurt. My knees aren't going to ache, my back's not going to hurt. And it's going to let me kind of stay healthy and keep training, keep on track. So it does those little daily micro adjustments that where if in the past i was

doing like a template or working with a coach where i might not only have like a maybe like a monthly check-in with them we couldn't really make those little fine-tuning adjustments day by day week by week and within juggernaut you can which i kind of really like that makes sense so follow up to that is uh if you could change one thing about it, what would that be? Is there anything that comes to mind? Sure, yeah. And this is something I've talked to Chad about

and I think it's in the works. But for me, I've used the app to go to two actual competitions. So I used it to prep for the meets and then I used it within the meet. I think the actual meet day experience could use a little bit of work. The way that it works now is it calculates, you know, your attempts for all three lifts, all three attempts, and it gives you kind of what it suggests. It gives you a low number and a high number depending on how you're feeling for each attempt. But what I really like to see is kind of some kind of more guidance around warming up, which the app doesn't do in the day to day during the normal weekly training or whatever, you know, just gives you your working sets, which for me is fine.

But I think when you're actually planning like an actual one at max, I would like to see some guidance about, all right, this is how you should warm up. This is what the attempts should be. This is what the reps should be leading up to that, you know, that first attempt. attempts should be. This is what the rep should be leading up to that, you know, that first attempt. And then I'd like to see also when you, let's say, take your first attempt, put in some kind of information regarding how that attempt went to then guide you to your next attempt. Should it be right online? Should it be less? Should it be more? Right now it's pretty binary, just a yes or a no. Did you make the lift? Did did you not make the lift and it's still up to you to kind of pick your next attempt so i'd like to see that area improved but i think that's a minor gripe in considering that like you know i've been using it for almost two years and that's like

my only really minor nitpick something that happens for me a couple times a year for a one day event only so i think that speaks volumes of the app itself. Yeah, that makes sense. And I mean, a positive spinoff of that is they are making changes. That seems like something that will totally come down the pike on it, I think, at some point in time. I can very much see that being something that is added into it eventually. Yeah, and I know Chad and Tim, who does all the programming on the back end, they've been working a lot of stuff in since I've actually started the app.

And it's all been great. And I know it takes time and effort to do something like that. And I do see that some other changes are coming down the line, which are going to be real cool too. We know that you are kind of the basement guy. So could you rank these following four gyms,

or not gyms, four basements, these following four basements from worst to best? So here's your choices in no particular order. Your gym, your basement gym, the Wayne's World basement, the Massanomics Podcast Recording Studio, your basement, Jim, the Wayne's World basement, the Massanomics Podcast recording studio, and the basement

from that 70s show. So you're giving me basically one East Coast basement versus like three Midwest basements? We do have a bit of a Midwest. Yeah, that's true, I guess. Yeah, that's true. Wayne's World is in Illinois.

You guys, obviously, South Dakota. That's any show in Wisconsin, I think, right? Right. I think so. This is basement country over here, though. One that didn't make the list was the basement to the Alamo, but we weren't sure if that would mean anything to you or not. I think that's where Pee Wee Herman's bike was.

to you or not so we we i think that's where peewee herman's bike was i do have fond fond memories of peewee herman's big adventure actually i'm just laughing because i actually oddly enough i had a conversation about peewee herman today which i don't think many people could say twice in one day to to today's modern day peewee herman known as blippy oh i don't know i was not aware of him until very recently and stay away does your son watch blippy uh it's been on a couple times i'm not in on blippy it's pretty obnoxious okay yep speaking of obnoxious let's talk about gyms and we'll start with um so to me i am very non-discriminatory against any basement gym everything has their pros i would say mine is probably the most lonely as it typically only includes myself that 70s show basement is great because i believe it is a walkout which is highly sought after in many

basements absolutely also getting equipment out of there yeah part partake in a lot of other activities in that basement yeah which looked to be like a lot of fun uh the wayne's world basement i believe has some sweet wood paneling which probably a 70 show basement does as well uh and you can't go wrong with wayne and garth and I mean, the, the creme de la creme, the massonomics podcast station. We have a neon sign. Yeah. Right. I heard they call it the gem of Aberdeen. I would rank because I'm extremely biased and I know my audiences and who listens to this thing. It obviously massonomics is number one yeah both the function feng shui all that stuff you guys taking a lot

of time to kind of edit that thing and put the nice lights behind you great job i'll put my basement at the bottom only because that would then spur me on to be like oh i need to buy some more shit for myself because i'm the worst basement of this list yeah the right psychology play for on yourself and then yeah and then right in the middle you could throw it up to the you know the the wings world and or that 70 show either one so you're the best i'm the worst next question well we can't argue with you there we were talking about gym aesthetic though we uh tommy was talking about some stuff about your gym and then uh what yeah so you you obviously have the color coordination down about as good as anyone could possibly in a home gym and uh you know there's a there's no shortage of home gyms nowadays and customization options.

But looking at that, is there any colors that you feel like are maybe not represented as much as they should be or maybe like an underrated color for home gym equipment that people aren't using? Yeah, I think, you know, when I see some of the stuff that some of the manufacturers are doing these days some of them have like this and and ghost was doing some of this too but now i've seen some from like erwin fitness supply out of canada they're doing like these i don't know the right term for it i'm just calling like a candy coating like some of those it's almost like a metallic flake in there that look really really good and i think that's a good way to pop things off the problem is i think for most people with some of those colors that aren't more easily replicated like the standard base colors we're all kind of used to is that getting that equipment consistently can be tough because a lot of that stuff is going to be more special order or like they'll only have

like a bench or something available so like i know a lot of people actually for instance like the the rep clear grind that they do which is really nice to look at but i mean they don't have all of their equipment available in that finish so you might be mixing and matching or then having to replace items if you're really hell-bent on getting like a matching color scheme um but but otherwise i think it's tough to say i do like like i said a lot of those like candy colored type things but it just be it would be hard to kind of outfit a full jimin i think yeah yeah that makes sense when you look at the bigger picture of if you're trying to play the matching game there yeah i don't know if you you use this terminology

for yourself but yours kind of always gives me the stormtrooper vibe, you know, with the white. That's kind of what I think about when I see, you know, the all white like that. Yeah. I think that it wasn't intentional really at first. And then I just, I got a white RM3 when I unfortunately had to spend some time in the garage in a rental while we were building this house I was in. The dark age. And I just wanted, yeah, I just wanted something. I wanted something, I wanted something just neutral that would kind of just blend in with anything and then like I just really like the cleanliness of the look and I just continued to go with that and and too I do like that stormtrooper look and I I kind of just relate that back to like those are early not super early but those Miami Hurricanes teams that would do the

all-white kind of stormtrooper look in college football, and then it kind of really caught on from there. But yeah, I like that basic black and white look, and most equipment will come into that. If I do introduce any other colors, they will match no matter what, so it shouldn't be a problem. So have you seen you having a variety of things from different manufacturers? Is white pretty much always white or do you even see a variance in in whites yeah no so um this sounds like a social justice question no that's not where we're going for you boys in south dakota um no no no i probably have like I would say seven to eight different manufacturer pieces that have like white powder coat on it here currently.

And to be honest, I cannot really tell a difference between any of them. As long as it's like a glossy white, it all really looks the same. Because I mean, you got to think of it too. Like in the basement, the lighting might not be as good sometimes in the garage, so you'll have shadows and stuff, so sometimes things can look a little off. But I would say it all kind of goes along pretty well together. I think it's a pretty standard light. Okay.

Way off topic here, but when you said about the Miami Hurricanes, it reminded me. So you played high school basketball. Did you play any college basketball at all either? Well, if you consider D3, school basketball did you play any college basketball at all either well if you consider d3 college yeah i mean it's still it's still uh it still is and so i've i've seen you wear like the you know the nba has those very particular t-shirts that like every team has like the similar t design or sweatshirt I feel like I've seen you wear like three different teams of that am I imagining that or what what is your so yeah so besides I'll answer your question too but so besides gym equipment I have an odd fascination into sports uniforms and kind of like I don't want to say game worn because it's gross but like you know

team issued gear yeah so like i back in the day when ebay first went on and before it was just full of like cheap counterfeit stuff i would go on there and just buy like jerseys from everybody all the sports you know team issued jackets things like that just something i always really liked for the basketball stuff it's helped because a lot of the basketball stuff these days it comes in like tall sizes because i'm a little bit taller and i'm also a little bit skinnier so like if i go like full-blown massonomics shirt and those triple xls i'm swimming in it yeah so so at least this way i can get stuff that fits and and as far as team loyalty goes it's tough to say 100 just because we moved around a lot when I was growing up because my parents were in the military.

But I consider myself from the Northern Virginia area. So a lot of the D.C. teams that I like, which they just so happen to change their names all the time, apparently, from the Bullets to the Wizards and from the team that shall not be named from the football team to the commanders so that's right i forget that that's what it is now the commanders okay yeah but but i've lived in new england in rhode island for the past 20 years my family's originally from this area so they're all patriots red socks whatever which i i like those teams but no offense and also some offense thrown in here but the fan base is just so annoying and it's like i don't want i don't want to be another one of those people so so i try not to broadcast my support for uh for many new england teams even though that i do secretly root for them on the side okay so there was something to that then that was a informative answer on that yeah those

sweatshirts are also really comfy and also a lot of times when i buy those things again it's still on ebay where it's like last season or the pre or two seasons ago model so it's like really cheap but they're really comfortable so what works out well what position did you play in basketball so in high school i was like a four or like a power forward-ish. Same within college, but like I was probably playing behind the two other people on my team that were like 6'8", 6'9". So I was a little bit shorter. So I was more just in their rebound, screen, play defense. They didn't really trust me. just in their rebound screen play defense. I kind of relate myself to

the pre-Draymond Green before Draymond Green was out there. He does a little bit of the dirty stuff. The little things. Doesn't score a lot. Can't really shoot that well. So you wouldn't go full on Dennis Rodman comparison then. You would go more Draymond Green.

Dennis Rodman, I guess, being very unskilled at shooting, that would be the difference there to me. Well, Dennis Rodman in college in his JUCO days averaged like 20-some points a game. The worm. But I do like that

style of play where I realize, look, I'm not going to score a lot of points. I'm not that quick necessarily, but if I could get a bunch of rebounds play good defense i would get playing time and that's kind of how that translated and that's kind of what i focused on do you ever play any do you ever have like any like city league or pickup games you play anymore yeah so when i got out of college i played in a couple of local leagues around here. And it was just, I got to the point where it was just so frustrating. And it's interesting only because I really fell in love with lifting. I always liked lifting. I got into it because of basketball. And I actually quit basketball because of lifting. So my freshman year of college playing ball,

I ended up getting stress fractures in both of my feet, which meant I couldn't play for a long period of time. And I just ended up eating a lot and lifting a lot. And you put those two together with basically no more aerobic activity like I've been doing for the past 10 years. I was like, I can actually get strong, use my strength. We know. I'm preaching the wire here and i just i just found out that i liked lifting and doing that and being in college a lot more than i like playing or sitting on the bench for d3 basketball so uh i haven't really played much since then it's just

not something that interests me and when i do play i get frustrated just because i'm so used to organized basketball like going out and playing with just a bunch of randoms just isn't fun, especially again when your forte is setting screens, playing games. Stuff that people don't want to do in pickup basketball. They're like, what is this jackass doing

right here? He's not shooting threes from half court. Get him out of here. Yes, trying to play defense. Yes. You've get him out of here yes trying to play defense yes you've um you know you've basically you you've become known as uh uh an equipment reviewer as in the last few years but it's funny you know when tommy and i would have both started following along with your stuff that wasn't what i would have ever said right right and um i have a question about the equipment reviewing. I don't have a particular question about this,

but just as I think about it, it is just funny. We've been following along long enough that there's been this evolution that when we first, like I don't think there was, you didn't have a home gym when I first, you know, you were training at a commercial gym. Whenever that commercial one was. Right, when we started. So it is just interesting how you've adapted to that over the years too.

Yeah. It's been kind of like, none of it's been on purpose. So like when I first got on YouTube, it was because I wanted supplement companies to send me free supplements. And I was really big on the bodybuilding.com forums. And that was like a way for me to get in. I was like,

Hey, I'm going to do a video review on your product if you send them to me. So people started to do that. So I started to make videos. Then as people started to watch them, they're like, Oh, that's great. But you know, what do you do for your training? What do you do for your nutrition? It's like, Oh, let me make some videos on that. And then eventually I built a home gym. And as part of that, I would be like, all right, I need to buy something. What the hell do I buy? Let me search on YouTube. Oh, crap. There's no videos on any of this stuff just yet.

So I'm like, I'm just going to buy something. And when I bought it, I was like, let me just talk about it in case anyone else is doing that. And they're like, oh, what about this? And what about that? And then companies started to send me shit. And it just kind of snowballed from there where I'm at the point where it's like, that's all I can do. I feel like I'm stuck in this., this, this never ending. Yeah. So I'm actually, yeah, you can't, you can't catch up. No, no, I got all the equipment. I'm good. Have you ever turned anything down from someone?

All the time. Okay. Most of it. So most of the people that want to give you free stuff, it's not really great stuff. It's like, um, you know, not to say that cheap and affordable can't be good, but there's like a reason that they're trying to give it to you for free because they want people to see their stuff. They want people to buy it. And oftentimes with a lot of that, people expect favorable reviews when they're giving you something for free. You don't do that, though. You do not. when they're giving you something for free. You don't do that though.

You do not. Like if there's anyone that I watch that gives like really frank reviews and if it was me, I would be nervous about sending you stuff because I'm like, oh God, he's going to rip it apart. But you know, like he's going to find the details.

Yeah. So I try to, at least lately, I try to walk the line of, I'm not going to tell you to buy something. I'm not going to tell you not to buy something. I'm just going to talk about it and say, this is what I like. This is what I don't like.

This is who this might be for. And this is who this definitely isn't for. And then let the viewer make up their mind. Because I figure that if you're watching a video on XYZ product, it's because there's some level of interest. So I'm not trying to sell you it necessarily. I'm just trying to let you know what it's going to be like or what you can expect if you're going to buy it and then leave that up to you which is better for me because because this

isn't for for me youtube is still like a hobby surprisingly enough but i'm not relying on people buying stuff through my affiliate links in order to pay my bills or feed my kids. That money is nice because then I can buy more gym equipment if people do use that. But I don't want to be monetarily incentivized to give something a favorable review just because I get kickbacks from it. So I try to be more careful about that these days than maybe I was before taking on pretty much just everything under the sun that all being said then um speaking about barbells in particular is there what one if you could only have one power bar and price cost is completely out of the picture it doesn't matter what it costs and you can only have one. Which one are you going with? Yeah, this is a tough one. I know my answer, but it's funny because I

actually don't have this bar anymore. And I say that because for the longest time, what I would consider the best daily driver for me was my Rogue Ohio power bar in stainless steel. And I ended up actually selling that with the expectation that I would buy like one of the Agro 2X versions, which I've heard a lot of good things about. So I haven't replaced it yet, but that to me is kind of the perfect bar. The knurling on there is grippy, but it's not overly aggressive where it's going to chew through your hands, your back, and you can use it every single day for every single lift. You could still pull heavy singles or squat heavy singles on it and it would be fine enough. And because of the finish,

no matter where you are, it'll last a long, long time. And is that the, cause there's a pound and a kilo. That's a good question. Yeah. Yeah. 40, 45pound bar, I think. So the problem with the kilo bars for me is those collars are super thick. So that was going to be my question, too. We have a couple of those Rogue Power bars, and for our squat racks, it's not ideal. You have to have the perfect walkout to not hit the rack with that thing.

Yeah, so if you have a dirty walkout, it'll definitely humble you. The bright side is it can you have a dirty walkout it'll definitely humble you the bright news is the bright side is it can help you improve that walkout because you know if you're taking a heavy single on squats and you try to take a step back and you hit the side of the upright it's like you're almost guaranteed not to get that lift i'm screwed now it's over yeah so so i like the 45 pound version because the collar is probably about two to three times as thick without being overly thick like some other bars potentially. But it's personal preference because some people like those bigger collars because, again, you'll never hit the sides or the uprights in that case. So it just really depends.

Okay, that's a good answer. And then what about specialty bars? Same question. You can only have one what we would consider a specialty bar. Price does not matter. It could be the most expensive one. That doesn't matter. Sure.

So for me, again, funny enough, bar that I had that I no longer have is the Elite FTS SS Yoke. That was kind of my favorite specialty bar. I love the safety bar squats. I feel like that has really helped my squat and my deadlift. The bar is awesome, but I got rid of it when I got my Kabuki transformer bar, which is good for different reasons, but in terms of pure safety squat bar squatting, the elite version is better. better now a lot of people on the side will say all right yeah you can get titan you can get um the bells of steel version you could get the new lee released rep version which you definitely can it's going to be cheaper uh some of the features

might be a little bit better but they're a clone of that elite bar so i kind of have my loyalty to them but any one of that with that design would be good but for me it's the elite fds one i think that's solid choice it's tough we so we have a gym full of um we've got we talk about this quite frequently we've got you know just about every different kind of power bar people might want and especially specialties bars we've got a you know racks full of specialty bars at this point in time but a lot of us like uh tommy and myself included we end up just using the power but i mean you know we get we get the specialty bars and we'll use them for a while and they get a run and they all serve their purpose and maybe they're good around injuries and stuff like that but a lot of us it's

just hard to get away from using a good old power bar yeah and like for me one of the things that because i think it also depends on if you compete or not which i know you guys do um but like for me if i'm training in a federation that only uses a power bar like the usa pl right like if at any if at any time like i wanted to go and switch to a deadlift bar, I could immediately pull more on that deadlift bar than I could a stiff bar. But if it's the opposite where I'm training on a deadlift bar and then I say, oh, I'm just going to work this competition style power bar in, my deadlift will probably go down because it's just harder to pull on that stiff bar. So I feel I get more out of that. And again, it's easy enough to to use and even though i have a ton of specialty bars here in my gym myself i tend to find that i use a power bar for most

things just because i like it yep when we were talking about your youtube channel and some of the changes over time i when we're doing a little homework getting ready for this episode i was looking at some of the earliest stuff and you guys commented on the video don't don't we'll get to that we'll get to that that isn't this yet um so yes that's what was going on there but i noticed something about like a name change or a maybe not even a name change it was like a channel change and this would be like very you know like 10 years ago and i was confused i was trying to figure out what was the old channel and what is like i there was a 10 years ago and i was confused i was trying to figure out what was the old channel and what is like i there was a piece of the puzzle i was missing there i think because

yeah that was pre me following along so what what was the evolution in the very beginning yeah so the the name of my channel initially was campbell fitness um and at the time of creating my channel youtube so i think it was like 2009 or something where i made my channel um youtube wasn't as socially accepted as it is today so if you still told them until if you told them when you had a youtube channel they're like you're weird why like why do you have that and then especially like when it's like lifting oriented and some of those earlier videos you can still even see some of it i got rid of most of them but i'm wearing like tank top like baseball like baseball hats backwards and basketball jersey a couple like shirtless videos which are no longer in existence i don't think

but they so like i didn't want people like that i knew to to find that so i used just my middle name which is campbell and fitness was just like what a lot of the other youtube people were doing in terms of their channel names so that was being pretty sneaky so it was campbell fitness for a long time but then as it started to gain popularity like people just assumed my last name was campbell yeah and i was like that's that's not it's diamond is my last name campbell my middle middle name. Like, nah, you're Brandon Campbell. People still call me that, which is fine. But then I wanted to get away from that because when I first started the channel, my grand

vision was, hey, I'm going to start like this company or have this company. It's going to be this brand. But as I got into it, I'm trying to come off more as I'm just a dude in his basement that likes to lift and just talk about equipment. So I try to just be an individual. So that's why I basement branded now instead of some company name. And that's why I don't do a ton of shirts or banners. Or if I do do banners, I only sell them through the mass economic store, by the way.

Excellent plug. But I didn't want to get into that where I'm just pushing a bunch of stuff because I don't view myself and my channel as that. So, but what about even early, was it, what was it? Campbell fitness TV or was there some other, was there something even prior to that, that I was, couldn't quite pick up on? So there was the Campbell fitness that came out first. And then my AdSense for Google got disabled for something. I don't know what it was. So I stood up another channel called Campbell Fitness TV just because it was close enough to it. And then that evolved into, I think, Base Barbell for a couple of months and then eventually Basement Brandon.

So it's been probably one of those four. All right. Now we have a timeline. I don't know if you know what we're doing here, but we're developing a timeline a la the Texas power bar timeline that we love so much. So we can get this produced soon. That's right. The multiverse of basement Brandon. Yes, exactly.

Are you familiar at all with our overrated, underrated game? I am very familiar. I live it. As a matter of fact, we've done this before, haven't we? Deja vu. If we did all the same topics as the first time, do you think you would even realize that they were the same as the first time? I think I would.

Okay. I think so. We didn't do that at least not intentionally so new handcrafted batch here yes okay so overrated or underrated george forming grills oh hey now so depending on when we're looking at in the timeline, I would say now they are overrated. Can you even get them anymore? I think you can because surprisingly enough,

I know that video you guys are talking about, I still get a comment a week on that video. It was in your top 10 of all-time viewed videos, I think. And most of the comments are angry people saying, this isn't how you clean it this is what you do that's exactly what I told Tommy when we were talking about I was like everyone was is mad at him that it's the title is that he that they're saying the title is wrong I'm like who who's I just wait wait wait wait you're telling me that titles don't align to youtube content yes uh could you explain the video though so people are going to be curious now yeah so i had

a george foreman grill like i'm sure most of us did at one point in our lives especially if you're living that bro life with chicken and rice and one of the biggest pain in the ass is cleaning that thing especially like scraping it off, doing whatever. I've made a video on how to clean a George Foreman grill, but in reality it was hey, just put tinfoil over the grill pieces as you cook it, and then when you're done,

just take the tinfoil off, throw it away, and your grill's nice and clean. It didn't get dirty in the first place. It is a good bachelor hack, if you ask me. I did not implement that, but having seen it, I think it would It is a good bachelor hack, if you ask me. I did not implement that, but I think it would have been a good practice. What year do you think peak George Farming Grill was?

I think that video was probably made at the tail end of that. I think that video was from 2013 or something. I'm saying peak is 2006. That's what I was going to say right in there. You couldn't not have a George Foreman grill.

Yeah. So I was definitely at the end of that bell curve, but obviously the video still did well, surprisingly. But then again, I feel like a lot of videos back then did really well. Like, I don't know if you can still find, like, I did a video on how to fold the brim of a hat or how to cut off sleeves on a t-shirt for the gym and those videos are really popular people are like oh thanks i needed this i'm like really do you you don't really maybe i'm wrong but you don't really

put anything like that out anymore right i mean like i can't recall you having a video kind of like something like that as of recent yeah i don't only because i think the biggest thing for me has been not only like the the plethora of backlog of equipment stuff that i need to review but also when i was making those videos i was dating my now wife at the time didn't have kids at a job that was like really easy i I want to say like, like, like I didn't really have to do much for it. So I had like a ton of time when I was banging out like, you know, three, four videos a week. Whereas now like I have to struggle just to do one video and my time or free time to make videos is, is very sparse.

So like, that's why a lot of it are like in the gym. Cause like I'll film those equipment reviews or those training logs, like literally during my training, you know, or right after my training when I'm already down here. And that's one of the reasons I've tried to get really good about just having like a talk track start and finish without any kind of cuts or edits or anything like that, just because I can turn around in the editing process immediately. So I would like to get back to some other content, but it's just one of those things where I'm trying to get rid of some of the big backlog that I have.

So I guess my takeaway from that is that there's a whole library of Brandon Campbell diamond life hacks out there. And we're just, we just got to wait until maybe someday. Yeah. Oh, I got a lot. I got some cooking for you boys.

Okay. Good. They're all going to be based around stall mats this is i do not want to move any more of those oh okay overrated or underrated uh we'll go the inzer ergo pro knee sleeves yeah so i would say that those are overrated um and i've done a video on this which i know you guys have already watched because you watch all my videos i know we do we have we have seen it i do think they give probably some more in a squat to me you can't put an actual number on it like some people say oh they add five to half pounds 20 pounds 50 pounds to your max but it's like if you recall when those spd sleeves first came out back before when everyone was rocking those blue ray bands those like the only sleeves you could

get the spds came out and everyone's like oh bro these add 15 20 50 pounds and the same thing with those blue ray bands when they came out, you got to get these blue ones. But when you buy them on Amazon, make sure you buy two because they only sell them in single. Weren't those basically all coming through Brad Gillingham at that point in time then? Yeah, the Jackals gym for a long time.

It's like one of those things where it's like enough's enough. Yeah, they probably add a little bit more, but I feel like if you get any real, well, not any real, but a lot of the regulation knee sleeves, the seven millimeter thickness, you know, a certain length, certain cut, sized correctly. I don't believe that the Inzers will give you that much more necessarily. So I think overrated because of that reason. And the fact that like after shipping, they're like 170 bucks. And if you buy from Inza directly, it takes like eight weeks to get up.

So overrated. Crazy. They still haven't got that, that down at all. You're a little bit older than both of us. I think that that's true right that's true i think yes yes that's a fact so you'll remember this well so overrated or underrated the dude you're getting a dell ad campaign so so i think you guys know that i work with dell now what do you mean so and it's it's funny because we just had like uh well not we just had probably a couple months ago we had like our yearly you know rah rah siskoomba kick off and they brought him back like internally oh was it steven was that what is was that yeah they brought back steven huh yeah and i think he'd been like you know working at the barista in starbucks he was like thank god i've been waiting for this dude you got a job

i would say uh i would say kind of underrated at the time i really i enjoyed those commercials back then like now they look pretty bad but right i think those led into like eventually what was if you remember then the mac had commercials kind of in a similar vein and then it kind of played from there so i i'm gonna say underrated and mostly because that company pays most of my bills so but also how many pc commercials put some respect on his name i i it is fair though that that is a pretty iconic ad campaign. Whoever came up with that, that was a home run, no doubt. Grand slam, even. Brandon, you still there?

No, I'm still there. I'm just in silence for that guy's career. Yes. Okay, yes, perfect. I'm just moment of silence for that guy's career. You're just... Yes. Okay, yes, perfect. Okay. Last one here then. Overrated or underrated? The Chevy Trail Boss package.

So, again, relates close to me as I have one. Mine is a pavement princess. I literally just drive it to the dump to get rid of like excess packaging from all the stuff that gets sent to me between pallets and cardboard and all this other styrofoam stuff um i would actually say it is overrated i would say that because to make it a really good off-road vehicle there's a bunch more mods you need to do so i've already put a lot more money into it from you know changing out the shocks changing out the wheels doing a bunch of

stuff and probably should have just spent more money on a nicer truck to begin with not to say that it's not a nice truck um but trucks these days i think i got in at the wrong time because if i bought a truck you know like three or years ago, I probably would have paid like 20 grand less for the exact same thing. But it's good. It's more like a family vehicle now. Those full-size trucks have really big back seats. So fitting two of my friends today. I've had it for,

I think almost a year and a half and I've put 4,000 miles on it. Oh, that is, that's a really low. So how did you decide on like the trail boss versus like a Raptor or, or maybe even something crazier like TRX or something? Yeah. Well,

Raptor and TRX probably in today's market probably go for like 40 grand more than the trail boss true trail trail boss is literally just like a silverado with some like some decals clapped on it yeah um and i and i probably would have preferred either of those two but literally there is a chevy dealership 20 feet from my house so i could just walk there and i saw and i was I was like, as you can probably tell by my gym buying experiences, like I just buy a bunch of stuff. I was just like, oh, maybe I need a new truck.

Sure. So it just kind of happened like that. And it was one of those circumstances where they had one in stock that I liked and made the decision. Did your gym aesthetic influence at all in any way your your truck buying decisions and modification process so no not really so before that i did have another

white vehicle which i liked um and when i went to the dealership initially i went in with the possibilities of like three different colors that i would have liked white being one, like a dark gray metallic being another, and then like a dark blue metallic being the third. My wife said no for the blue. And since she's the boss, that's okay. And they just didn't have any of, they didn't have any of the dark gray. So I was like, why did it is now it just matches. And now I look like an even bigger douche. now it just matches and now i look like an even bigger douche cool uh well i think i think it's a sharp unit it's no buick buick le sabre but then again what is that's true or an enclave that's a talk about a family vehicle uh excellent it looks like you passed overrated underrated. So you're two for two

on that now actually. Here's one really quick bonus overrated underrated. This isn't officially part of the game but it seems particularly relevant today. Overrated or underrated Keith Honeycutt. Oh. Who? Who's that?

Exactly. I suppose that's the answer then right? I think that's somebody that I used to know. Very good post on that. We both got a good chuckle out of that one. I have no issues losing out to you guys. We're one for 1,000 or whatever the average is there, so not bad. Yeah, you passed. It was great getting you on again.

And I don't know if you mentioned it before, but we talked quite a bit about Juggernaut AI, and just so everyone knows, I think your discount code for that is Mastonomics, right? Yeah, of course. Everything. Any place that you guys ever want to buy something, just always try Mastonomics first,

and then you'll be in a good spot. We say, now accepted, everywhere things are accepted. Code M massonomics first and then you'll be in a good spot we say now accepted everywhere things are accepted code massonomics oh and have you used your uh supporting membership uh discount card anywhere uh your massonomics discount card to save you i mean i've tried i've tried to use it surprisingly it's one of those things where most merchants say they don't want to pay the associated fees with yeah yeah that's more more of my bougie shopping experiences on rodeo where i break it out to really impress the ladies that that makes a lot of sense that uh makes total sense actually okay and what about if people do want to you know i know you said it's not your main thing but it helps you

buy more gym equipment and do other stuff like that what about if people do want to you know i know you said it's not your main thing but it helps you buy more gym equipment and do other stuff like that what about if people do want to uh you know support you through affiliate links and stuff like that how what is actually the best way for something to do something like that yeah i mean the best way is just uh to be honest don't do it use use use massonomics if possible and then if not find some athlete but if people want to see my stuff or watch my videos, Instagram is basement Brandon, YouTube is basement Brandon. I usually will put links in there, but I try not to, to push them necessarily just because again,

I don't want to come off as a salesman, but if one of my videos or one of my posts helps you, and then I'll usually try to link at least back to that. And then if that helps, then it helps. And if it doesn't help, then go screw yourself. Awesome. Well appreciate it brandon thanks a lot brandon hey guys thanks for the time i appreciate you guys let us know if you're ever in western northeast south dakota we'll give you a free day pass at the gym it's on my hot spot list of 2023 so oh will we see you at the arnold this next year? I hope so.

I'll be sleeping under your booth table. We'll set up a spot for you. Maybe we'll be right next to Grant at the strength. While you're sleeping, we'll set up a line for a meet and greet. When you wake up, there'll just be all these people ready to talk to you. I can't wait to meet all three of them.

Excellent. Well, hopefully see you there. All right, guys. All right, see you. See you. Thanks. Bye. Cool beans.

Cool beans. Cool beans. Cool beans. Meet all three of them. Were those Rhode Island cool beans? Those were very Rhode Island cool beans. They're like their beans cool up there in Rhode Island. They're miniature beans because the state's so small. There's just not a lot of room. Island cool beans. They're like they're beans cool up there in Rhode Island. They're miniature beans because the state's so small.

You know, there's just not a lot of room. Tiny little beans. They're tiny little beans. Did you know you could actually fit, this is a geographic fact right here, you can fit the state of Rhode Island inside of Aberdeen, South Dakota? No.

I didn't know. Maybe you meant like the county. No, no. I wanted to make sure it was obvious that it's not. You can fit the state of Rhode Island within western northeast South Dakota. I was going to say it probably fits within the northeast South Dakota region, maybe. Yeah. Well, if you said northeast northeast if you're saying a quarter

of the state yeah that'd be i mean that's northeast south dakota is a couple hundred miles across but yeah that's not that big it brings up a point if you just miles across is rhode island that's and also so when we when if someone just says the northeast of south dakota are we considering that the corner of the state as in one fourth of the state? Oh, well, if you're really going that far, that's okay. Do you know how far

across Rhode Island is though? East to west. East to west. And it is more east to west than north to south. North to south is more. We'll get to that next. So east to west. Okay. I'm just thinking if, gosh, west the north the south north the south is more okay we'll get to that next so east to west okay i'm just thinking if um gosh would it be as little as 50 miles well do you want to know or is that your guess my guess is that seems really low but um that seems to i'm gonna say 70 miles it's less less okay 40 less what no 37 holy crap that's nothing that's insane that is actually

smaller than northeast south dakota yeah holy cow and then it's i did not actually north to south is 48 miles so really like rhode island would fit easily in northeast south dakota however you slice that it's that almost fits in what you could almost consider Western Northeast South Dakota. It pretty much does. Because if you're saying, what, basically 35 by 50? Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's just about within.

I mean, actually, I think it pushes the borders a little bit, but not by that much. Not much. Not much. That's crazy. That is. Wow. I was going gonna say 50 at first and i'm like oh the 50 because i think of it in terms of where you travel here on an any given day basis i'm like oh you go 40 miles just like getting anywhere you have to go basically 45 to hit a town yeah

and even then even then the town you're hitting is like a thousand people. It's like they might have a subway. Yeah. And then a gas station. Yeah. That's it. Wow. 37 miles across. That's crazy.

Huh? The more you know. The more you know. Amazing stuff. What is the second half of that? The more you know what? There is no second half. You just know.

Okay. Good interview with Basement Brandon though. Yeah. That was a lot of fun that was good stuff good catching up with him and we really have you know i've we've said this a number of times over the year but you know i can speak for myself that i have really like he is one of the first people i ever followed like lifting content of and he's one of the few that I continue to follow. Even all the number of people that I keep, even keep tabs on from when I first started watching stuff on YouTube. He is the only one that I even like no one else.

I even remotely pay attention to what they got going on. No, he is the old Mark Bell exists in my Instagram. If it wasn't for Instagram, I wouldn't even know that Mark Bell's a thing anymore. That's true. And I could just about delete him on there. Sometimes like, Like Mark Bell exists in my Instagram. If it wasn't for Instagram, I wouldn't even know that Mark Bell's a thing anymore. That's true. And I could just about delete him on there.

Sometimes I got to see what those crazy bastards are too. That's almost what it is. Yes. Alan Thrall is one guy that I continue to watch, but to be fair, I wasn't following Alan as early on. He was a little later on before I became him. but I do continue to really appreciate Alan stuff as well. I think I probably said the same thing back when we had Brandon on a few years

ago, even I probably said that same thing and it's still true. You know, he's one of the very, he is, he is just like what you said. He is the only one I continue to follow that I followed from that era. Yeah.

And like, I'm talking way pre mass and you know i yeah this is like we're talking 2012 13 something like that yeah right when those hard-hitting uh george foreman tips were coming out i don't remember that's what he hooked you with yeah yeah and then he reels you in with the george with the george foreman he keeps you around with the equipment reviews right right uh in that conversation with him you did say something about Buick and that reminded me you know you are a Buick man Tanner that's true um I feel like there's a certain Buick model that doesn't get a whole lot of love and I want to know what comes to mind when I say this to you the Buick Terraza

I would have to see a picture honestly what comes to mind is nothing is that a van that's the buick van now when did they make that it's kind of amazing about this the model years are 2005 to 2007 okay what's kind of amazing there's 50 ever made in 2008 there was only 500 of those things made um 2005 was a pretty big year there was 20 000 of them but most year 2000 the first year 20 000 the second 11 000 5 500 its whole lifespan 45 000 i feel like i've never seen that thing before so it's a pretty rare van and it's an entire life 45 000 are made and i didn't know about this until i saw some video one time saying like yeah like if you see one of those it's kind of rarity. Yeah.

It was, it was like a week ago I was at the grocery store and there was one of those. I was like, I had to do a double check. So it had the Buick logo. It was Buick Terraza van. And I'm like, I have to be the only person that even is aware that that has been like

did a double check for a Buick van. And I so thought about taking a picture of it. I'm like, actually just to explain to someone why I had to take a picture of this would be just so far out there. You should have staked out the person. Well, and then when I came out of the grocery store, I'm like, no, I'm going to take a picture of this.

I got to show it to Tanner. And then by that point, it was gone. It did have a handicap sticker on it. But do you think now in hindsight, was it ever really there? Maybe I just thought it was there. I wanted it to be there so bad and it actually wasn't. I mentioned something else earlier that I wanted to fill you more in now.

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I usually watch it every time I'm taking a dump. So like eight times today. It was one of those days. Yeah. Pooping on company time. Tell me about it. You're your own boss you're not getting one over on anyone

no no no no but I am should I read one of these now or should we wait we can wait we got plenty to talk about yeah I think so the only other thing I was going to mention on the strength co is that big

Brandon also a connoisseur user of the Strength Co. plates. I'm sure he's got a review or two out on the Strength Co. plates too. Probably. I mean, we have a review in case people are wondering. That's true. Look up ours too. It's really the only review you ever need. That's why we just have one.

It's the only one you really need. We made one review and we're like, it's not going to get any better than this. No, we're going out on top. We left it at that. Topic-wise, though, we did have a couple other things on the list. We have our long-awaited stocks and socks segment.

Yeah. People are tuning in this week just to hear it, and then we made them wait. That's true. So the stocks portion of it what you had a note in here about fitness company stocks so i was not aware of this it was brought up in the discord this is another one of those gems where if you're in the massonomics discord you have known about this for weeks now but the peloton stock is amazing yeah it is incredible

looking at the history let's uh let's get some actual numbers here so people don't uh the history let's uh let's get some actual numbers here so people don't uh um and uh you know caveat to this this is not um financial oh god do not take financial stock advice from us that'd be the worst thing ever so the summary is what was the summary tanner didn't know you could have such a oh uh yeah uh i never knew you could crash so hard on a stationary bike. And then behind that, it goes, the story of Peloton bikes. It'll be a book. Semi-colon. It'll be a book that comes out.

Yeah. Didn't know you could crash. I couldn't remember if it was that or I didn't know you could ride a stationary bike downhill. Ah, that's true. But yeah, so at their peak, know with covid and all it looks like with everything going on it looks like around december 2020 january 2021 their stock was floating anywhere between 158 and about 150 bucks 140 a share so okay not bad so if you got in then then you might not want to listen to this next part but so yeah they'll just say around 150

is their peak um today they're trading at nine dollars that's nine nine uh and it's basically they fell off a cliff once november of this they went for in october they went from 91 to a week later they were down to 55 and it's just been down ever since and the i think the amazing quote was their ceo said they're trying to get profitable so they can go public it's like well that must have been tonal oh they were following the yeah that must have been because they're public so it was that must have been tonal because there was two you're right conversation i'm jumping i'm jumping ahead in the conversation we're gonna get to tonal next but uh peloton so yeah they're taking a huge tank because yeah people like covid stuff isn't going on Oh, you mean the fitness industry is fickle and isn't like any, anything's never for certain yet.

A hundred percent. Um, and then I thought also, yeah, being prof, like having a profitable business eventually is important. Like you can't just have like a good idea and a product that could be good or, uh,

eventually, you know, your business does have to be a profitable business well yeah and they said they'd invested all this money into uh i believe actually they were manufacturing their own bikes and they had or they were even i think they were manufacturing their own bikes and they were about to invest a bunch into helping that manufacturing process and then they see that that is not where the money's at so it looks like they are outsourcing that part now to a different manufacturer well they're probably

panicking right now like four thousand dollars too it's well i bet right now they're like oh my god what are like what like they're gonna the ship's burning they're trying to do anything they could to salvage it i would think at this point uh So, yeah, Peloton to outsource all manufacturing as part of its turnaround efforts. And, yeah, there's all types of things that... Right here. I guess I'm jumping ahead a little bit, but this headline right here,

Peloton competitor Tonal cuts 35% of its workforce as it prepares for a possible recession and ipo but um yeah i don't know it's just these things peloton and we didn't ask brandon about it we forgot to ask him he has the peloton i know that's what we forgot to ask him um but i don't know i don't know if the number of people that can afford a like a four thousand dollar bike And then isn't it like 50 bucks a month for the subscription? Yeah. I think that's kind of the kicker to me really. Like that's,

so it's a relatively small pool already for one, the people that can afford that and then want to afford that. And then are also interested in riding bike. Like it's like, it's going to be a small pool. Um, it's just, it'll be interesting to see how that company survives or what that company

looks like a year, two, three years from now, even. Yeah. The tech stuff is. Because you have to have so much invested into the tech side of things. It's not just, hey, here's your bike go. And we're in the business of just selling bikes. Like, cause they got to continually, I don't know a hundred percent know how Peloton works, but I would assume when you're paying a subscription,

it means that they have to pump out new content and new programs and new workouts. Otherwise, what the hell are you paying for if this is all 100% just a canned library here? And I know I'm not everyone. I'm probably far from everyone. But just my habits as a consumer, I can get over, I can wrap my head around a big initial price tag on something if it's really what i want the monthly subscription part of things and i know i'm not in the norm on this probably but like that really is hard for me to get over because i think about

it in terms of every yeah okay it's just 40 bucks it's just 20 bucks it's just 50 bucks every time you do that to the your pool of monthly subscriptions is i mean and i know i don't think about this the same as everyone i'm cheaper than other people or i'm more conscious of this than average but i'm like that is adding even if it's just a a four dollar a month subscription i think about that in terms of yeah if i just justify everyone as just a single well it's only $4 it's only $10 it's only $15 but it's to the point where life is just a giant

subscription house like you could make the argument that well that's kind of what life is but it really is like okay you got your house you have internet you have a cell phone you have utility bills you might have cable you might have one streaming service you might have cable. You might have one streaming service.

You might have two, three, or four streaming services. You also might have a music streaming service. A music one, yes. And then you have a Peloton subscription. You have a Tonal subscription. And we just said like, I haven't really said anything out there that's that weird outside of the Peloton or Tonal. Most people have a lot of the other things you said there yeah and then you might have a gym subscription and i mean you have your car subscription which is your car payment that a lot of people never lose right you have your insurance

payments like it's just an endless list of things constantly coming out all the time and then you have all these fitness companies uh jumping on that train too yeah Yeah. And I'm not the market, obviously. You know, I'm not the market on that stuff. So it's easy for me to say that it isn't appealing to me. But the subscription thing gets me though. Like I don't want to pay 40 to, I don't even know what the price of it is monthly. And then you also wonder, do you buy?

And what if you stop? So there's someone that has a Peloton that knows all these answers. But that's what I want to know. i buy this three thousand to four thousand dollar bike whatever it is if i quit my subscription do i just have a dumb bike there that does nothing anymore i mean i'm assuming i can still turn the pedals i can imagine they're locking the pedals out but is that it like you don't pay anything you don't have like you can't even say oh i just need like these 20 classes i'll just buy these keep these on repeat and i'm good or is it like no no subscription no nothing yeah i don't

know how that works but fitness is a little different and that it's not yeah people i mean obviously they don't have it figured out and the industry doesn't have it figured out because tonal is the next thing and really if i had to think about it isn't tonal just a bow flex with a subscription isn't that essentially what it is that's i mean the the the selling point of tonal is the smart tech stuff right because as far as like an actual piece of resistance training equipment isn't it it seems like crap to me like we're used to good uh well yeah and as far as that goes and if you just want to say it's the total home all-in-one gym that you can well that's crap no those aren't good pieces of equipment but isn't that exactly what bowflex

did like in the early like late 90s early 2000s isn't that what that was you could do your lat pull downs on it and then you could string it through the bottom and do like a weird modified deadlift and you could lay on a bench and like wasn't that exactly what that is i think people don't buy those anymore well and here's my thing in theory what i honest question do you think someone could get big and strong if they only have a bow flex well that's the only thing they actually consider big true that's very relative true and i guess at the best you could say they could get if they're relatively untrained they could use that solely and probably you know get stronger for sure maybe look a little bit better probably but like at its do you think anyone like how many people in the world actually

got strong or big or did any of what the bow flex advertises so few well that's the reason like you don't see them everywhere because it is it's just a bow flex in a new package i can't help but think that it's just you're all in one home gym that you do like the bow flex came with a vhs tape yeah and now this comes with this is just the current technology so it says inside the tonal electromagnets create resistance so you can push and pull up to a maximum of 200 pounds combined or 100 pounds per arm. Now, 100 pounds per arm is a lot per arm. Depending on what you're doing. Maybe if it's a deadlift.

Well, if you're doing an isolated one arm exercise. Right. Yeah. If you're doing a curl. But as far as like weight training, 200 pounds isn't that much. Right. as like weight training 200 pounds isn't that much right like most people in an untrained state can get to a point where they're doing 200 pounds especially on something like that's utilizing your lower body you know your uh exactly so the back your your back your legs your glutes your hammies

yeah and so you're not going to be at a point where you're exhausting yourself from a strength standpoint so the only way to get around that is i guess you just have to add a shit ton of reps in. But I think we all know that that's not the, well, that's not how you get strong. Right. Yeah. And you're not going to get turned into a,

I mean, you're not going to get good at bed, but that's the other thing where, again, we're not the customer. We're not the target audience. We're not the customer because at all, we're actually concerned about just lifting weights,

getting actually strong um and not just being obsessed with being in my home with this like smart wall trainer thing it's just so not in the way that is just we can't even look at it on an unbiased way because it can't well but part of it is because we know fitness gimmicks we're so involved in the industry that we know what things are gimmicks and it's it doesn't it just feel like the same stuff we've been through for the last 30 years but like oh but now there's an yeah but now you pay a subscription and it's different now it's i don't know there's magnets in it so in comparison i to me peloton feels like way less of a gimmick than the tonal because so they both share that their tech but a bike is not a gimmick a but a stationary bike serves a purpose in

someone's greater uh fitness goals yeah the tonal that's gimmicky because people don't get like how many people get results off of that not take the tech out of it just like that form of crap and even if you crap and if you don't want to say it's gimmicky because well at the end of the day there's 200 pounds of weight there and you can lift okay you can get a workout in but it's a really expensive way of doing that isn't it like it's also the price not only do you pot what is i'm gonna find out right now what is the tonal monthly cost that's there again the subscription really gets me where i'm like does it because it'd be one thing you just bought the i'm actually very curious with tonal does that thing work without a subscription like this

right like it wouldn't surprise me with this tech of like oh no no you're just locked out when you don't have a tonal monthly fee 50 bucks a month so it is just the cost of a gym like yeah it just is a gym at that point i don't i don't get it and i total intelligence features like how much intelligence is actually going on with that thing i don't i don't understand um i am curious what you can do with it once your membership is... Tonal membership is required for the first 12 months. As a connected fitness sim, Tonal was designed to be your intelligent home gym, and the Tonal membership unlocks the personalization and is key to Tonal's intelligence.

So that doesn't answer the question at all. It's required for the first 12 months. So yeah. So it's just 600 bucks on top of whatever you're writing for the thing. Right. Yeah. I'm only finding things through tonal, which that's not,

it doesn't give you the answer. Like I want someone's opinion of like they bought this and then they got rid of the subscription. What does it do for me then? Oh, but the right here, right here, there's a question on Reddit. What's tonal like without a subscription it is

funny the other thing was a rant tonal is not worth the price on this reddit thread but um what exactly do you lose keep i can't just a pain justify paying 600 every year to use a machine that i spent 3400 on um this person says most of its value comes from the plethora of coaches and programs without it it's just a smart weight machine that has eccentric chains smart and spotter mode that counts your reps and keeps a logbook it's like you don't need to pay 50 bucks a month to have something count my reps and keep a logbook to count without subscription all you basically get are dumbbells you don't even get the smart weight settings um all you get to do is select a weight turn the weight on and off and that's it so it's about flex it's about yeah yeah it's about without a subscription it really is about flexing at that point yeah uh yeah if again if you're somehow a

person that listens to this and owns a tonal and you're got in shape that's great for you but it just does not speak to the way we think about things if you are what a personal and you're got in shape that's great for you but it just does not speak to the way we think about things if you are what a person that and also how did you find us yeah like what are you what led you to this path yeah why are you listening to us at all uh just see it's such a weird it's just right back to the doesn't fit under the bed fitness test right yes the tonal fits under the bed doesn't it like now with people having investments in companies and you can get like venture money you don't have to worry about infomercials so now yeah now you can make an app and you just you have a more sleek appearance when it's tech so it's a it's a sophisticated

company 20 years ago this was just an infomercial that's on from 10 p.m. Yeah. Till noon on Sunday. No, but now. You're exactly right. It's a Silicon. Yeah, you have venture capitalists

that, okay, here's a 50 million for your round of seed funding. With the goal of making it public, which Tonal is right. Yeah, to make it public. But I'm like. Were they ever worried

about going public? Are they even public? And it's just, this is a bigger picture about business, how it works, but it's like, okay, yeah, we want want to go public so we're really going to focus on being profitable now i'm like you know that's also just a funny concept yeah it's like um you know what business is

profitable massadomics that's true are we going to go public nope nope yeah we don't need you we don't need your public dollars keep it private shareholders we will not we're not cutting other people on a share of those uh there'll be no shorts yeah so that was our stocks and so well that was really our stock segment so what's the stock stock segment i don't know what the sock segment is sock segment is a little less in depth than the stocks part of it but it still was a catchy name right uh-huh stocks and socks baby so my socks thing and this is just a personal experience on on socks um and i want to preface it by saying i have socks in my sock collection that were government issue to me in 2006 that i still

have in my sock collection this is not the segment but it's relevant information for what i'm going to get into here all right so okay that is hilarious yeah i was gonna say as a life tip something that i've started to do and i would recommend to anyone um you know as i've now that i'm not 21 and I have a slightly more disposable income, what I do like, Rotate them out. Once I do like every,

once every two years, just to make sure, I just throw away all of my socks and usually almost all of my underwear and I just, like I pick a day and it's just, it's all gone

and all new stuff goes in and you're kind of like, damn, this is what new socks feel like, even after only like two years. it's just, it's all gone and all new stuff goes in and you're kind of like, damn, this is what new socks feel like. Even after only like two years, it's like, wow, this is,

this is pretty cool. So I would recommend if someone, if you feel like you're at the point in your life, you can do that, do that, pick the day, have the replacements ready to go, but throw all the other ones out.

And then you only have good ones. You don't have to worry about like mismatchers existing or like holes or like you get the same brand, but you mix a new one with an old one. So like one socks kind of cushy and soft. The other one's full of holes. Like, no, you're on the same page for everything. It's amazing.

Yeah. No, but my comment isn't even about that. It's more about trend in socks. Oh, yeah. When I was in high school, it was a race to the bottom on socks and what i mean by that is people couldn't like in this started in about 2002 is when i really started to pick up on it people could not get their socks low enough on the back of their heel literally people were but yeah i'm pointing to you but the end of their sock

would go like there just barely over and i'm like that doesn't stay on like i had some no-shows like like extreme no-shows because i don't know it's just stupid stuff that people are doing at the time so i thought i should need to do it and those are not i don't i'm not convinced that those are good socks those extreme no shows too much that's too much like and people like at basketball practice that's what they were wearing is those extreme no-show socks and that was it was it was literally a race to the bottom like i remember like actually everything was getting out the shorts were going lower and lower the socks were going lower everything was going down um and i was i jumped in on it i was probably a little

slower to adopt it but i jumped in on them going down and then i stayed low i didn't stay that low but i stayed ankle length for a long time and for a long time that was kind of the most common at least i'm speaking about athletic socks i like a no-show yeah right right pretty standard and um then crew socks i don't know when but at some point in time they became way like you know 2005 uh i graduated high school and then in through college people were still wearing a lot of ankle socks but sometime after that i don't know what year of 2010 2008 2014 i'm not really sure but like crew socks i'd never people weren't wearing those like when i was like nobody wore those no one and then at some point in time people were wearing those again and i had like none for the

longest time i got in on them going down but when they came up to crew i stayed away of that for the longest time and when i eventually got in it i thought these are a lot more comfortable for me because they never fall off the butt like they never because i wear old socks and uh short ankle ones yeah fall down on your heel crew socks don't the most they do is like get holes yeah yeah or if you have a really long time they maybe just don't say they don't stay up as well as they should and um i was slower to adopt that but once i did i really saw the value in the crew socks the crew length socks and at some point in time more recently i've noticed more people like ankle socks are a little more common again

I just see it more often and I wasn't had never thought about that until I just bought some new socks like a few weeks ago I'm like I have like no ankle socks left in my rotation that are any decent socks whatsoever so this time when I bought socks I bought ankle socks because I've noticed at times where I'm like everyone I've been around is actually wearing ankle socks because i've noticed at times where i'm like everyone i've been around is actually wearing ankle socks now and where if it would have been seven years ago or 10 or whatever all those people i'm almost certain would have been wearing crew length socks and it just seems like uh so i would for me personally i think like right now, you'll see way more ankle socks. So people are wearing a lot more. It's hot around here.

So like I'll wear way more ankle socks, but starting pretty soon in like a couple months, I basically will not wear these unless all my crew socks are dirty because it sucks wearing short socks around here after like September. So then it's like crew season but i don't know because also socks have became have become like a total more of a fashion piece too like that is actually part of the outfit so no show socks by definition don't exist so they can't be part of the outfit so that's why i don't know i still think uh crew socks are pretty fashionable and still around quite a bit and they're they are my favorite by

far crew socks for sure but i the interesting part i was compelled for whatever reason when i thought because a few times i've wanted to wear ankle ones i'm like i have no serviceable ankle socks left i've had to literally throw them out because of holes and literally just not staying up on my foot anymore and i was thinking there'd been times when i'm like i should have ankle socks and i don't anymore and i just got me thinking about it how i'm like man at one point in time i didn't own a pair of crew socks not one nor would i've ever worn them i would have been like what am i a doofus i don't really remember anyone high school having them no if you would have showed up to basketball practice in a pair of white crew neck or crew length socks,

or even black for that matter. Oh, black socks didn't exist. Yeah, right. Black socks were dress socks. Right. That was pretty much your only option. It would have been like, nice socks, bozo. Where did you get them?

The clown store? Yeah. Although I did start wearing, I got sick i did wear knee-high socks at some point in time too i switched that just almost as like um uh in in for specific specifically for basketball just almost like as a i liked keith van horn like it was there was certain people that wore knee-high socks are kind of annoying though because it's a lot of sock to deal with, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, yeah, it is.

That's, like, completely unnecessary. It was more of just, like, a goofy statement, almost, I think, you know. So that was the socks piece. But I still don't think you can beat a good pair of athletic crew socks. It's pretty hard to. I have a lot of pairs of dress socks, but most days to work, I wear my athletic crew- it's pretty hard to i have a lot of pairs of dress socks but most days to work i wear my athletic crew length socks because they're way nicer because it's just an excuse to charge three times as much for a worse sock right a thinner um stinkier sock i'm not really

sure more uh less comfortable yeah and it wears out so fast and they somehow i think being even being thinner like they make your feet sweat more yeah yeah i know what you mean where i'm like i'd rather what like i don't know why people what really they suck don't they i don't know i i haven't worn dress socks like i don't know like five years it's amazing because they suck well because you can wear a crew length black sock yeah and it looks you know because you can wear a crew length black sock yeah and it looks you know and also they make crew crew length socks in different colors now so they can pass off so right easily as dress socks too right socks and stocks baby socks and stocks that was well worth the wait i assume i yeah i think so

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First, I have to laugh every time I see a NATO fuel fuel can pop up in the discord it always makes me very happy and there was some little bit of chatter in there about mres this this past week there was a little bit uh uh there was a few people a few people with opinions and experience disgusting bastard big matt uh said he likes the veggie omelet but i was like they got good confirmation from others that in fact the veggie omelet is disgusting that's going to be the consensus big matt bringing up a fair point i think i mentioned it on it is very much about the sides yeah it is funny though this came in an era pre-social media we all knew everyone's in agreeance the veggie omelet is terrible or like even even though matt thinks it's not that terrible he knows like that that's the so like every like that's how bad it

is everywhere you would go even though like there wasn't some central dispatch of information here there wasn't a there wasn't a military discord you guys were sharing your thoughts right like everyone knows the veggie omelet is god awful but yet it still exists i don't know i guess it still exists i don't know i just assumed it did i hope they got rid of it for the sake of everyone everywhere for the sake of mankind i hope they eliminated the veggie omelet oh i thought about it more and really that's what it's because i was forgetting it's called the veggie omelet yeah that's when they remember that it helped me even picture it more and how vile that thing is so what do you know what vegetables are in that like it looks like peppers i don't know that anything in that is as advertised as really that thing or not but uh

looks like you know like green and red pepper is what you'd kind of guess so it's like a denver omelet yeah i wouldn't say that wouldn't say it was like any piece of food that you're used to or like a veggie omelet i guess for sure rubber is the number one uh describer of what you could use it was a oval rounded piece of rubber awful awful awful stuff whoever invented that as a sick person like yeah people should eat this what color was it though is the egg yellow at least yeah okay so it was that part right i think it was a dirty yellow you know when you make like um hard-boiled eggs am i thinking hard-boiled eggs? Am I thinking hard-boiled eggs? When like, you know, you can separate the yolk out of it then. And like the part of the yolk that was touching the white.

Oh, yeah. And you know that color? I don't like that color. That is not a, that's not an appetizing color. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I do. Well, sometimes it gets almost like a greenish and blue color to it, too.

Yeah. What about pickled eggs? Do you like pickled eggs? I don't. No, I don't really like them that well. I mean, I could eat one. I think pickled eggs are pretty damn good. What about deviled eggs?

Oh, deviled eggs are great, too. Oh, okay. But I thought pickled eggs, until I had them, sounded pretty disgusting. And really, I mean, a pickled egg does seem pretty disgusting. Yeah. But they're not too bad, actually. I would eat one. It's not my favorite.

Deviled eggs, I could mow through quite a few deviled eggs, though. Yeah. Those are good. You take eggs and then make them, I don't want to say sweet, but you make them even easier to just plow through. Yeah. Not an issue to work through some deviled eggs. Get a little buffet-style party where there's a platter of those,

and I could go through like six if I regret. I haven't had a deviled egg in a very long time either. We had them for Fourth of July. Someone brought them. Oh, it's been years for me. They're good. Oh. Deviled eggs, like when we say that, do you suppose everyone listening knows?

I mean, that's not regional in any way, is it? I feel like that has to be a common thing, right? Okay, everyone knows a deviled egg, then. I think so. Unless we're, I can't imagine people not knowing what a deviled egg is. That has to be a common thing. Interesting name. I don't know where the origin is on that.

It doesn't feel satanic. The veggie omelet, if anything, should be called the deviled egg. It doesn't feel satanic the veggie omelet if anything should be called satanic but it is that good so the deviled omelet do you know what better than sex cake is yeah i don't actually know exactly what that is i just know that term yeah it's that it's like brown is it good i mean it's good it's cake like cake has to be pretty bad for it to be bad you know right uh here i'm not that big on cake though i just like sweets in general like it here you know it kind of has that that chocolatey caramelly top on it yeah i'd not it's good i don't think it's like the best thing in the world, but it's fine.

You know what I like, kind of, as far as sweets go? Tiramisu. Really? Yeah, because that's the one that has, like, the coffee flavoring to it. Yeah. That's a good tiramisu because I like that flavoring. Where do you have this at, then?

Usually just at, like, banquet things where they're providing the dessert. I've never ordered it once. So literally strictly at things like that where they're like, oh, what's the dessert? And they're like, tiramisu. And I'm like, yeah, pretty good. Very bad at spelling it.

Oh, I wouldn't even know. Tea. Tiramisu. There we go. I would know the tea. Coffee flavored Italian dessert. Yeah. I'm pretty sophisticated.

It's made of lady fingers of course it is yeah can't say i've had any tiramisu lately it's i like the coffee um i like the yeah juxtaposition do you like heath do you like heath flavored stuff like a heath bar uh not so much for like get like a heath tw Twister or Blizzard next time you get one. That used to be my favorite because it's. Because a Heath bar. A Heath bar is an old man candy bar.

Yeah. Nobody under 60 is purchasing a Heath bar. I don't think so. But get, when you go to the place here down the street, get like a. I used to love Heath flavored, like blizzards. The vanilla ice cream with kind of the coffee-ish flavor, it's pretty damn good without going like so overboard on sweetness. Good stuff.

You know what an underrated candy bar to me is? What? A Whatchamacallit. Yeah. I think a Whatchamacallit is a good... It has a good combination of texture and yeah they don't have the marketing hype behind them no like they're weighed like the snickers oh god they're not like what do you put up in marketing it's snickers reese's twix like they're

all in this upper yeah that's actually good on those i can't like m&m's candy bar yeah peanut m&m's m&m's uh and then Skittles, but they're not chocolate. I'm thinking chocolate here. Yeah, those are kind of the heavy hitters in the chocolate candy game, aren't they? Do you like a salted nut roll? You know the red packaging salted nut roll? Those are pretty good. As a kid, I hated those.

Now, I don't mind them. They're not too bad. Those are good, actually. Because it's not so overboard on sweetness is what helps it. I always liked the Charleston Chew. I always thought the Charleston Chew was really good. I was really good i thought that was couldn't even weigh in on the charleston i can't think of ever having one it's good better than a whatchamacallit i actually would probably pick a charleston chew over whatchamacallit what about now this is i don't

know that i've ever had one of these this to me growing up felt like another extremely old man was a nut good. Yeah, nut goody. That's in like a one package. I have to look at it too. I have to see the picture for it to. Yep. Yep. That package right there.

Yes. Yeah. I don't know. This is actually that must be a more current package. This is what I picture as the nut goody. Oh, yes. Yeah. That is the classic nut goody. I don't know if i've honestly ever had one of those because yeah it seems like that's not the when you have like butterfinger and stuff out there i actually like butterfinger

but when you butterfinger actually i think butterfinger is a little underrated that is i think butterfinger like since the 90s has has slipped down the radar. Because they had the Bart Simpson thing. Yeah, it was huge. Yeah. Like a Butterfinger, their sales have to be way lower than what they were 25 years ago, right? I would think my top fucking Dairy Queen, like Blizzard flavors. Butterfinger is good. My top two of all time. I'll say in my top three, for sure in there, it's Butterfinger and Oreo.

I just cannot beat Butterfinger and Oreo in a blizzard are so damn good. I think Butterfinger might be the most underrated candy bar because of how much it slipped, fell off. There's something about that thin chocolate coating on top of that. And also the way that it stays in your teeth for like five hours after you eat it. You're still enjoying it. It's like your molars no longer have like, they don't fit together anymore. They all have caps on them.

Is it true that nobody lays a finger on my Butterfinger? This says Butterfinger generated sales of 600 million in 2010 and was ranked as one of the most popular candy bars in the world from 2007 to 2010. But Nestle sold the candy to Ferrero S.P.A. for $2.8 billion in 2018. So I'm thinking sales got to be down because if you're selling the company, if you're Nestle and you're selling it. It sounds like someone did lay a finger on nestle's butterfinger is when they

sold it there they let someone else's fingers on them butterfinger i'm glad you brought that up though that's uh apparently this recipe has changed a little bit over the years what i'm reading here how about kit kat oh i like kit kat a lot give too, actually. Give me a break. Oh, Kit Kats? Break me off of you. That's actually what I struggle with. Like, I can go. I don't want to sit and just eat Butterfingers because they do sit in your teeth and it's obnoxious. If you're going to eat Butterfingers, you just eat it and you're done. But especially at Halloween time,

when you have the little Kit Kats and the little Twix, man, you can just keep kind of funneling those things in and they're so good. What's better, Twix or Kit Kat? those are a good comparison aren't they yeah i think twix is how about uh twix or reese's peanut butter cups i think twix is i'm not a huge reason they're good but people are pretty high like reese's is people are high on those pretty I just saw a meme today. It was like, I just love taking the panties off my Reese's. And it's the only little thing for her. It's so stupid.

Reese's is fine. I like something with a little crunch in it. Reese's are a little too mushy, maybe. If I had to have everything be perfect. Peanut butter M&Ms are the perfect M&M. Those are actually. I don't know why those aren't the those are the star child of the m&m family regular m&ms are not that good they're not peanut m&ms are okay yeah peanut m&ms are fine but

peanut butter m&ms those are where it's at hands down is there anyone that doesn't agree that those are the best because why are they so much more rare but yet they taste i don't know they're better in everything like if you put them in ice cream or cookies or brownies or anything it's always 10 billion times better than if it was regular M&M's. That should be their flagship product. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that one, hands down, it doesn't even. I think regular M&M's are the lowest on the tier of.

I think it goes peanut butter, peanut, regular. I never really cared for an almond M&M much. I think those exist. Is there almonds? I don't know. Maybe I made that up. Did I make that up? I guess. When I was a exist. I don't know. Maybe I made that up. Did I make that up? When I was a kid,

I wasn't super huge into almonds, so I would have stayed away from those. Yeah. Almonds just are not a good sounding kid food. But I do the blue diamond chocolate almonds. You get the bag.

Oh, yeah. Those are really... Are you saying the chocolate dusted? Yeah, it's like dusted. Oh, yeah. Those are good. Yeah, see, here'susted? Yeah, it's like dusted. Oh, yeah. Those are good. Yeah, see, here's the color for almond M&M's. Does that look familiar?

Kind of. It's kind of recalling something. Also old person candy. Oh, yeah. Those just like chocolate, cocoa dusted ones. There's like no sugar. They're so good. My son just thinks that's what chocolate is.

Yeah. Oh, man. Those things are great. I do think, have you ever had the Costco ones, though? No. The Costco one, they do a little different take on it. Because what brand were the ones you buy at Walmart? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The Costco ones are pretty damn good. It's a little different texture. They got sprayed on there. Okay. Those are good. And then I just had the Walmart ones like a week ago when i yeah and there's almost it's like they have like some type of like brown sugar mixed in there so like they have a little different flavor too yeah but either you can't really go wrong with either of them chocolate those are pretty expensive but they're really good yeah that bag though at walmart

is so much cheaper than when you buy it at the other place like i think the bag at walmart was like 750 and the other grocery store in town here it's almost 12 like that's a big difference something like that well especially you eat a lot of them like i'm actually saving like 20 bucks here dollars a year on my almond subscription now i can afford a tonal that's right any forgotten candies um well we kind of we didn't really touch on anything of the fruit variety but we'll have to save that yeah what about in the chocolate can't uh you know what i think are nasty almond joy and mounds both see i don't throw both of those i don't eat those they have coke they're those are coconut uh coconut me too it's i i just recently came around

to coconut shrimp being okay with that i was I didn't like that for the longest time. But you are aware of the difference between Almond Joy and Mounds? Barely. Almond Joy has nuts. Mounds don't. Because sometimes you feel like a nut and sometimes you don't. Seriously? Yeah.

Almond Joys have nuts. Mounds don't. Sometimes you feel like a nut and sometimes you don't. Do they say that? That was the catch. Oh, it was? Yeah. Otherwise, I think they're basically the same candy bar. sometimes you don't. Do they say that? That was the catch. Oh, it was? Yeah, yeah.

Otherwise, I think they're basically the same candy bar. It's just as the saying goes. I'm just one final look here. If we missed any really top shelf. I don't want to leave anything out. Like take five is something that was later on. Yeah, that's kind not a forgotten thing. That's like not in the...

Okay. Fifth Avenue bar. That's kind of like Butterfinger. I think I like Fifth Avenue better than Butterfinger. I was actually going to say $100,000. I like $100,000 too. That has like the rice crisps in it. $ yes hundred grand is good our score bar that one i didn't i don't would not buy one of those i don't know i think that's an

old person and you can obviously we don't even need to mention you don't eat a plain hershey's chocolate bar right no maybe with with uh almonds or whatever would be better just any of them yeah the milk chocolate is not good. I actually don't think that even tastes good. No, it doesn't. We got a bag of them for s'mores, and I'm like, oh, I can't eat it. It's not good. Sometimes, if you're really feeling it,

you could say the cookies and cream one is passable. But even a whole bar of that. That looks white. Yeah, even a whole bar of that. We did forget crunch, though, looking at this. Oh, a crunch bar. I do think. Yeah. Even a whole bar of that. We did forget crunch though. Looking at this. Oh, a crunch bar.

I do think crunch is crunch. Isn't too bad. Crunch bar is good. Kind of a weird bar. How thin it is. You know, it's very thin. We didn't say Milky Way. That is one of the all time greats to me as a kid.

Milky Way was one of my favorites. And then three musketeers sat below Milky Way. See all. So I'm putting, I would put Milky Way, three musketeers and Sn milky way see all so i'm putting i would put milky way three musketeers and snickers all in this same grouping and those are all fine but i wouldn't care if none of those existed i wouldn't feel like i oh i don't yeah i wouldn't do milky way anymore it's just the other one seems three musketeers is super light and airy right yeah i really. I really don't like those. I would not want to eat one of those.

Okay, we left out one on the fancier side of things, and that'd be the Toblerone Bar. Oh. Is that where you, like, break it off? It's like the triangle one. Yeah. It's in the triangle two. That's too fancy.

That wouldn't be at the, like, convenience store and, like, the grouping. Not typically, no. Yeah, I think we've got most of the heavy hitters there there's definitely other things way was probably a big one this is for the most part and then there's like straight up mars bars but we got that at the gym right oh hello hey oh what is a mars bar i don't mean i know yeah is that different than a milky way because i feel like that's a milky way i don't know there's mr good bar i don't really remember eating those though

good bar is that a yellow package yep it looks like a crunch bar only it's it is like a crunch it's just it's just chocolate with peanuts is that what it is yeah it's i used to like it i don't i don't know i don't think i've ever had one it's just chocolate with peanuts it's just a hershey bar with peanuts in it or a Crunch bar with peanuts instead of the crispy things. Hmm. What is it? Is it Mr. Good or Mr. Goody?

I think it's Mr. Good Bar. Mr. Good, okay. Did you say Fifth Avenue? Yeah, Fifth Avenue. I think it's Fifth Avenue. Do you remember? I mean, the Fifth Avenue really is similar to the Butterfinger. I just saw the picture here, and I don't really remember that.

The Fifth Avenue is just not quite as crunchy as... It's not quite as dense and hard as the Butterfinger. Okay. It really basically is a Butterfinger, only a little bit not quite as hard and dense as the Butterfinger. Okay, I had to refine my search here, Tanner. Get a little more specific with it and put 90s candy bars in. Now we're talking i have a couple more fresh ones here that came to mind do you remember the nutrageous i remember the name i can't picture the reese's nutrageous that package

does that do anything for you i remember that i remember my brother getting those once in a while um the other one oh henry i don't really remember ever eating those, but I do remember seeing those in stores. Those feel ancient to me. We might have got them all now. All this talk about candy bars is actually not making me very hungry for candy bars. It's not really doing anything for me either. There was a whatchamacallit and a thingamajig. I don't really remember thingamajig.

I don't either. Yep, I think we got them all what oh what about so we talked about m&ms what about sixlets you know what sixlets are yeah yeah they were the even the smaller round one like they're perfectly round and really small but they have a little bit of a different flavor to them yeah they i I would take a... It was kind of like chocolatey, but kind of... Kind of almost like a... And you could get them in like a... Yeah. Kind of almost Whopper-ish.

Whopper. Do not like Whoppers. No, we got... I would... For my son's birthday, we had a box of those somehow. I'm thinking, oh, yeah, these things used to be awesome. Same thing. It's that shitty just milk chocolate that's so...

It's malted milk ball. Yeah, they're not good. What about Milk Dud? I would take a Milk Dud over a Whopper for sure. Yeah, that Milk Dud. Although, talk about rip your teeth out. Yeah, there was like a, all of a sudden, thinking of like a yellow thing.

There was some sugary yellow thing. It was kind of like, almost like taffy but it was like chocolatey do you know what i'm talking about you're saying the package is yellow yeah i can't remember what that was almost like a b on it or something um that's kind of i think i could picture something there i'm not sure what that is but that's all ringing a little bit of a bell to me. Maybe it's the Mandela effect. It could be, actually. God, I'm just picturing it.

It's almost like a chocolatey, kind of like taffy kind of bar. It might have even had a stick on it. I don't know. And I could have swore it was in a yellow package, and there was like a B on it. Was it there? Yes, yes, yes. A stick on it, I think, yellow package and there's like a b on it yeah yes yes yes a stick

on it i think too oh maybe not a stick on it but like really yes it was like really thin yes what the hell was that yeah and like chew really really chewy like caramel taffy thing yes oh really to point where you're like almost like i had to rip your teeth off yeah yeah yeah what is that i don't know and i typed in that is a thing for sure that's not mandela effect that for sure it's like a honey or a milk yeah is it a milk bar is that a thing i remember having those too no milk bar makes cakes that someone will have to actually let us know what that is someone knows what that is um yeah that for sure is a thing Someone knows what that is.

Yeah, that for sure is a thing. I haven't seen one of those for a long time, whatever that is. Oh, yeah. Bit of honey. Okay. Is that what it is right there? That? That's not exactly what I'm picturing, but maybe that's the same sort of thing. Maybe I'm getting my things mixed up.

I'm not sure what bit of honey really is, but that also looks familiar. But that's not the exact thing I was thinking of. Here. Yeah, this is what I was thinking. Okay, let me see what it looks like. Because, yeah, it's like just kind of shitty looking. It's like really pale. Yeah.

But I think the packaging was different. I don't know do those look for those yellowy things yeah that does look familiar to me yeah it doesn't look good though not especially no it's just so like tan colored what about a tootsie roll a chocolate tootsie roll i mean they're kind of the og it's it's you know tootsie roll has its place the best ones are because you know, Tootsie Roll has its place. The best ones are, because, you know, they have the regular ones, and you have the really long ones, and then you have the really thick ones. Yeah. I feel like the thickest ones are always the softest ones.

I would never want to have more than just one of the small ones of those. Like, I forgot. Or, like, those ones that almost come in like the cardboard sleeve. It's like a giant. But you could get the thicker one and have the little cardboard under it. It'd be like just I don't know, an inch or two long. Oh, but yeah, you could get an even bigger one. Yeah, I'm like, that's a disgusting amount

of Tootsie Roll to me. It kind of is. Can you imagine just taking a big chew out of that thing? I couldn't tell you last time I had a Tootsie Roll. What flavor even is that? Chocolate, isn't it? I don't know. It does not really taste chocolatey. It's not really.

Almost like it's more like a... It's almost like cola. Yeah, I was going to say root beer chocolate or something like that. Like cherry cola perhaps. Almost like a sarsaparilla chocolate. Yeah. All right. Well, so that wraps, yeah. All right, well. So that wraps that up.

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