Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - 1% Biker Builds a $200K-a-Week Empire & Gets Busted
Episode Date: August 26, 2026From biker gang enforcer to ordained minister, Gunny shares his jaw-dropping transformation—from collecting cash and running drug operations for one of the most feared motorcycle clubs in the countr...y to finding redemption through faith and service. He opens up about his wildest moments, federal takedown, and how his daughter’s overdose became the catalyst for his second chance at life. Gunny's links https://www.facebook.com/freedomconnectionministryga https://www.freedomconnectionga.com/ Get 50% sitewide for a limited time. Just visit https://GhostBed.com/cox and use code COX at checkout. Do you want to be a guest? Fill out the form https://forms.gle/5H7FnhvMHKtUnq7k7 Send me an email here: insidetruecrime@gmail.com Do you extra clips and behind the scenes content? Subscribe to my Patreon: https://patreon.com/InsideTrueCrime Follow me on all socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/insidetruecrime/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matthewcoxtruecrime Do you want a custom painting done by me? Check out my Etsy Store: https://www.etsy.com/shop/coxpopart Listen to my True Crime Podcasts anywhere: https://anchor.fm/mattcox Check out my true crime books! Shark in the Housing Pool: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0851KBYCF Bent: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BV4GC7TM It's Insanity: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08KFYXKK8 Devil Exposed: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TH1WT5G Devil Exposed (The Abridgment): https://www.amazon.com/dp/1070682438 The Program: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0858W4G3K Bailout: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/bailout-matthew-cox/1142275402 Dude, Where's My Hand-Grenade?: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BXNFHBDF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1678623676&sr=1-1 Checkout my disturbingly twisted satiric novel! Stranger Danger: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BSWQP3WX If you would like to support me directly, I accept donations here: Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/MattCox69 Cashapp: $coxcon69 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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a lot of money. I was seeing over a million dollars in cash. So I had businesses and after
I paid everybody, I was still coming making about a hundred, two hundred thousand
dollars a week. Profit. They put the handcuffs on them, they pat me down, put me on the chair.
I was like, I'm going to jail for the rest of my life. When I was in college, I went to a
party and met Mongols, some Mongols. And I love, I'm the person. The Biker Club. It's a Biker Club.
and the patches it and it's just what what they have it was intriguing to me and I had to have it
and I needed it and I walked up to the guy I said hi I introduced myself and he says okay um
and we started talking I said how do I get in because I'm into Harleys I was into all that
stuff uh crotrockets and so forth he says we don't ride crotch trachets we just ride strictly
We hearties.
He said, okay, that's cool.
I can get a Harley.
And he says,
I said, how can I get in?
He said, you have to prospect.
So me not knowing
anything about prospecting,
anything like that.
And I had, what is prospecting?
Basically, he said,
you're basically being a bitch.
You're doing everything,
washing bikes.
Whatever they tell you to do, you have to do.
And she, when I was growing up,
They used to make this as, when we had a raffle sale,
it made me, me being as tall as I am,
I had to wear a thong.
They didn't have, find no high-hills shoes because I wear a size 15 shoe.
But I had to wear a thong and knitted stockings
and be on the corner selling raffle tickets.
I was like, oh, my God.
Pass.
And it was, that's how to see if you was a brother.
Right.
But there's other things I can tell you about, too.
So after about two months, I told him I was a good fighter.
Wrong thing to do.
Oh, they said, because, you know, in the biker club, biker world, you earn your name.
They give you the name.
If you mess up, do something stupid or whatever it may be, that's how you get your name.
Right.
And my thing is, I said,
I like to fight.
I said, I'm a very good fighter.
He said, yeah, one morning, one afternoon, excuse me.
They said, come on, prospect.
So we go, we go to this bar.
I didn't know it was a bar that we were not friends with.
Right.
So I go into this bar and the guy says,
one of the higher-ups.
Brother says, you go in there and hit the biggest guy
and just start handling your business.
I said, okay.
So I go in the bar,
walk up to the biggest guy, hit the biggest guy,
and just, I didn't say no words, no, I just hit them.
I knocked them out.
The next thing I know I have people with pool sticks,
cue balls, beer bottles.
They were beating the brakes off of me.
after for about a good
I said it was five minutes or longer
but they said no it was about four
or five seconds
they beat the brakes off me
and they came in
and they whatever they did
because I was already bloody
and I was seeing me unconscious
but um
they come in and got me
tear me out
they looked at me and says
man
you got the biggest cahunas I could and I know oh we didn't really think you was on going there
and do him I said but you told me I had to do that and and that's what I did he said brother
that's a kamikaze missionary it's not because you wasn't going to live but uh I did that um
and then we got they said we got the perfect name for you we don't call you
Reaper.
And once they said
Reaper,
I already know
what a Reaper was,
the Green River was.
I said,
oh, hell,
yeah.
That's it.
Yeah.
So I became Reaper.
And funny
parts.
So now I'm just ordered.
I get in the club.
So I only prospected
for two months.
I didn't prospect
for the whole
six months or a year.
Right.
Prospected for two months.
And the people I met
like the president,
the VP, I became friends with.
I would fly to California just to hang out and go to church and stuff like that,
meet other brothers, you know.
And once I started getting my meeting everybody, mingling, partying,
having fun drinking, throwing powder, and all this, all the fun things,
the women, because that's what's exciting me.
The women, the drugs, everything.
That's all exciting to me.
So I did that for a couple months, about four or five months.
And so I'm on to Baltimore on the East Coast.
So it wasn't too many East Coast clubs.
When I was, the only club it was.
It was New York.
It was New York.
Virginia and Florida, them three.
And I was going back around, you know, going, taking rides,
riding the Harley all over the place from here.
So I met with one of the presidents at the time
and to sit there and talk to him.
And they said, I heard you want to make money.
I want to make a lot of money.
I don't want to say, okay.
He said, but before we do that, you have to do this.
And they sent me on a mission.
And the mission was to go collect money from people that owe us money.
So, and he said, if you collect this money, if they don't give you the money, you have to break something or cut somebody's finger off.
But you have to show me that you went over there to take care of business.
Right. So I started doing that, collecting money for the,
for the president and so forth.
Then my name started getting out there.
If he sends this guy reprafing,
two things, you better run or pay up.
So that's what happened.
And then he made me,
the people didn't know this,
but I was his enforcer.
I was the enforcer,
but the club members didn't know I was the enforcer,
enforcer, national
enforcer, because we had a national enforcer
but I was the national enforcer
as well. I was the one
they came to and
when they needed business taking care
of or needed somebody
not alive
or hurt or broken
or whatever it may be.
So that was my job. What the other
guy do? What was the other guy?
The other guy, he was enforcer, but he was more around the
president. Me, I was getting
sent to. So he's more like protection as opposed to they're sending you off to collect?
Okay. Yeah. He was more, he was the enforcer, but he, he wasn't going around to different,
like the East Coast. That's what he was sending me to like the East Coast to this,
Texas. And he stayed, I guess, around. Right.
This California area, that surrounding area. But I was going around taking pair of business
at different states.
I did really well at that.
And he comes to me,
he says,
we need the East Coast boss.
I said, okay.
He says, we don't want to give you the East Coast boss.
And I became the East Coast boss.
I had fun.
That was the best time of my life.
Now, me and he's now,
remember, I said I wanted to make me,
money.
So they gave me the opportunity to make money.
Can I ask you a question real quick?
We say East Coast boss.
What does that mean that there's a chapter on the East Coast that has 60 members and
they need somebody to be like the president or the, well, like, I don't understand what
the bosses and what's?
The East Coast boss, I was in charge of anything on the East Coast, opening chapters,
getting members, anything of that nature.
I was anything I wanted to do for the club.
That's what I had to do.
Like get members,
open up chapters and stuff like that.
You know,
I want to ask a question,
and I know how horrible this question,
how bad this question is,
and I know how this is going to make me sound,
but like,
does that,
does they pay you for this?
Do you actually get like a salary?
I was going to ask something similar,
like,
what is?
I'm sure it's not W2.
There's no 401K.
No.
Are people joining...
Is there medical?
No.
Are they just joining the biker club just to be a part of something?
Or are they...
Okay, you join and then we're going to start robin houses.
We're going to start sticking up other games.
I immediately think of ice.
I think somebody...
Because most of the guys I know that have manufactured ice,
not one of these guys, doesn't have a story that doesn't involve bikers.
Like the bikers will come and say,
we've got these, for instance, Pete...
And Pete's my buddy Pete's story.
He, um, he, uh, the hell's angels through another guy came to them and they actually had the precursor materials to make X.
Which is what he was making.
Right.
And they said, we have the precursor, the materials and we can give it to you to help you make Xxia.
He was like, okay, they said, but we also have, you know, a 50 gallon drum of a pseudofed.
Right.
Or the pre, whatever that was, they said, we need you to make ice.
And they were like, well, I've never made ice before, but I can look it up.
You know, they went and found the formula and came back and made, made ice for them.
But it always seems to, and this was back in the late 80s, early 90s.
Okay.
So how did I get money?
And my job was to get members.
Okay.
And the members come in.
And they pay?
They pay a due.
They pay for their cuts.
and so forth.
The cuts are like this.
They're patches and stuff like that.
The easy card cuts.
Okay.
And what are the dues?
What is a monthly,
is it like a monthly do you pay 50 bucks or 100 or?
Okay.
So it depends on, it was a set rate.
But the set rate was like, say,
50 bucks a month.
And then we had a war fund.
Then when they say, yeah, you had to donate to the war fund too, that was like $25 a person.
Okay.
So it's $50 a person plus $25 a person for a war fund.
But as me doing this and getting members, I'm getting to know them.
Right.
And I'm feeling them out.
So I'll go back and says, okay, I'm ready to make some money, real money.
So they come, say, give me a week.
A week comes, and they come to me.
He says, here's a key.
Here's a key of powder.
And back then, I was getting charged $15,000 for powder.
For a key.
For key.
So I was, I started out with that.
And me, from me meeting people on the East Coast and jumping different chapters,
dealing with the bloods, the cribs, all them.
I'm dealing with everybody now.
I started making money.
The first, the first key.
I sold in two days.
Like, yeah, I'll go back.
What are you selling that?
You bought it for 15 and you're selling for like 25 or?
No, I broke it.
I sold some in ounces and quarters and halves.
And then I had people.
I started getting people to work for me.
Right.
That were selling it.
Then I was selling weight.
So I probably made about $25,000 at first.
Right.
off of each key.
Okay.
25 to 30,000, just say that off of each key.
Because you're breaking it down.
Yeah, I'm breaking it down.
Once you start moving weight, it's not as much, but it's volume.
Yes.
So it's more in volume because now it's 10 or five as opposed to one.
Yeah.
It's a lot more risk to break it down.
You're dealing with a lot more people.
Right.
And you're 100% right.
I think of my vast experience.
Yeah.
So if you have, if you sell it weight, you can move it faster,
but it's the point of trying to find the people that want to spend that money
and that want weight like that on a consistent basis because now I'm getting it
and I'm moving it real fast.
So I'm getting it.
And I can tell this guy, I promise you I bring you this much money on Thursday.
So this guy is waiting for his money on Thursday.
So the way it worked is I started out with one key.
Next thing you know, I moved up to four keys.
I'm knocking that out.
Now I'm starting to build, I'm trying to think of the word here.
Like a reputation?
A reputation, but a circle.
A network.
A network.
So I'm building a network.
Now I'm like, okay, I can get this one, this one, this one.
I'm asking them what they can move, what they can sell, how much, and d-da.
So they come to me.
It says if you do this, if you come to me, we can sell an ounces of powder for $900 to $1,000.
I was like, okay, that's all.
Because now if you look at it, I'm only paying $10.5 a key.
So you're looking at $9,000.
for an ounce, you're like, yeah.
Because if you break it down, you only paying like 550 an ounce yourself.
Right.
Or $400 some in that ring from $450 to $5.50 or something in that range.
So I'm selling this stuff, but I'm making it killing because now, okay, I know I'm paying $500 an ounce.
but I'm giving it to you for $900 ounce.
And if I don't know you like that,
I'm giving it to you for $1,000.
So people that was down in my network, okay,
and they were doing real well, I'll say, okay,
I'm making $500 off an ounce.
Let me give this guy since he's doing real well.
I give him $700 ounce.
So he's making money
I'm making money
We all making money now
And my job was
I wanted to flood
Baltimore in the place
Because Baltimore is the capital
Of powder
Dog food
And other substances
That were
And it's bad
Whatever you want it there
You could get
If you walk on the corner
You say I need this
So, okay, hold on, you get it.
So I started a strip.
In Baltimore, we call them strips.
So we have alleys and what we would do,
we would set up, wake up, I had shifts.
I started shift work.
I would have people come,
all the people I had on the street was selling.
I would have shifts.
So I would say, okay, we're going to work from 10,
to three,
knock off for an hour or two,
the next shift comes on.
It's like a job.
Right.
So I'm making much more money now
because I'm selling $10 pieces
and that big.
So it was a store,
but I would have people lined up around the corner
waiting for this,
for the powder, because guess what?
I didn't cut it.
I didn't do anything like that
The way I got it
It's the way I sold
I started making money fast like that
Next thing I know
In a couple months
I was up to 100 keys of powder
A month
And I was like good God
I wish I had a picture
My wife has a picture
This table, say this table
I had stacks of money this high
And what I was doing
we would be counting it had money machines counting it anything if it was one dollar bills
I had my boys throw the money out the window and give to everybody it has to be five
tens 20s 50s and up if it's a one dollar bill I don't want it man it was so much money
I never thought in my life I was seeing over a million dollars in cash and after I paid everybody
I was still coming making about $200,000 a week profit.
Right.
And, you know, and it just went on and on.
I was in a club for about 15 years.
And I just, I had a good run.
I had a good run.
And now...
I'm assuming that the police at some point are frowning on this.
You want to know, oh, I have to go back here.
So I became a one percenter.
Okay.
So my father is a police officer now.
Right.
So me and him have the same name.
I would get locked up.
And they would call my dad and says,
was you, did you get locked up last night?
And Paul said, no, why?
He said, somebody named my name.
Right.
Was locked up.
And he said, oh, that must have been my gulf.
ball son.
He must have been really happy about that.
Yeah, because my father was a high-ranking police official.
So every time I would get locked up, everybody in Baltimore knew who I was.
What are you getting locked up for?
Fighting, peeing in the alley, doing stupid stuff, getting drunk, trying to take,
I'm taking men's women and all this stuff.
And, you know, that kind of stuff.
Okay.
It was just fun.
I was getting locked up for all stupid stuff.
But not for the drug ring.
I didn't get locked up for the drug ring at all.
And the drug ring, so this is how I knew something was going on.
I used to, I had it, I started buying.
I was the only, like my wife called me boozy.
only boozy biker gangster you could have.
I had nice house, nice cars, and everything I wanted that was boozy.
I was like, what the hell was boozy?
And she told me what boozy?
I said, well, I guess you might have been right.
But she said, you look back, you were boozy on one hand, but Rufus on the other hand.
I said, I guess that's a good mix because I can fit in with everybody.
I'm like a chameleon.
I can fit in with anybody.
And I did that.
I started meeting, I believe it's,
state police,
judges, lawyers.
They all wanted the party.
I didn't realize powder was like everybody did it.
It was like,
for free ball, yeah, I got it.
But they wanted the best.
They didn't want stuff that was stepped on
or anything like that.
but I did that and I was enjoying life
in 2000
I think it was two in Lofin
Nevada
it was a rival gang there
the Hells Angels
and us
and the
and the
Hells Angels come into our national
we were having a national meeting
all the brothers from all
different chapters were there and hell's angels come in now we got about 15 a thousand to
1,500 members in this motel I'm just saying they come in the hell's angels came in with
100 members and it's like you you bring in the cat to a dog fight you got a thousand
members you bring in a hundred members oh we
We had a brawl, a shootout, and stabbing.
It was everything.
I got shot.
Is this one, is this on video?
Is there like a, is there like a video?
It was on gang land.
Yeah, yeah.
On gang land.
Why did the hell of angels do that?
Like, what is the purpose to go send 100 guys in on a kamikaze mission?
Like, why, why do that?
It's 100 guys against 1,500.
That's just, they wanted to make a statement.
We were here in Lompton and they were at another place having there.
I mean, the statement would have been better.
served had they shown up with 2,000 men, you know, then 100.
A hundred just says, hey, we're stupid.
Like, that's just a bad combination.
It's not going to go out, work, not going to work out well for you.
Nope, it isn't, but that's what happened.
They sent, they sent a whole crew.
They just sent whatever they came with.
That's what they came with.
They came in there.
And us being who we were, we were always, always strapped.
Anyway, we were ready.
for war.
But everybody that night was up in their rooms.
Some were still down there playing in the casino.
And the thing was to my job when we do that and the other guy's job as being
people are to protect the president from getting harmed.
And he happened to get stabbed by one.
And I got shot.
It was so fun.
If you think about it.
The guy, one of the guys were behind a, um, a game, a slot machine or something.
I think I had a 32 or something like that, and he was shooting like this.
He wasn't even looking where it was shooting.
He said, okay, I'm right here, and he was starting pointing, he was ducked behind the machine.
Now, I had a vest on.
This is how crazy it is it.
I have my vest on.
He goes like this.
He hit me in the shoulder.
I was like, I'm hit, I'm hit.
I'm on the ground.
I'm trying to grab the president at the time
because he's already got stabbed.
And everybody was there acting crazy.
It was so much commotion.
And a lot of my uncles died.
How old is angels died.
It was just terrible.
And you know, with us being who we are, we had a lot of enemies too with different pieces.
Because we did.
Some members did some crazy things.
Some members, like with the Mexican mom, and I think when we took some crystal from them or something,
or they rated the room and they messed up like 10 years.
thousand dollars or something crazy and they demanded us to pay it back and that's where the war
started with that because the president said we ain't paying back nothing and that's now we're
fighting street gangs viker clubs we fight we fighting everybody now um that's how we i think we got
the name like we are one of the ruthless,
deadliest motorcycle clubs in the world
because we started getting
MS-13, any gang members that
been bringing them and teaching them how to ride motorcycles,
teaching them the way the biker life is.
So now we're taking people from clubs
that are straight killers,
teaching them how to ride motorcycles,
the center of more missions.
And that's how it worked for us.
And worked out pretty good.
And two,
I'm trying to think it was a national raid.
I don't know what year
because I'm kind of messed up right now.
It was 240 members
that got locked up.
Did you know something was going?
Did you know there was investigation?
No, I didn't know, but I knew something was funny
because I'm dropping down Baltimore Street, down Baltimore.
And the speed limit is 30 miles an hour.
And I was doing like 50,
and pulled plastic police and everything.
They didn't pull me over and nothing.
They didn't hit the lights, nothing.
I slowed down.
I said, oh, sysnick, something's going down.
my father
so them knowing who my father was
they you know
they
they uh
investigated him
make sure he wasn't involved
with my dealings or doings
so he stayed away from me
I was in the club for 15 years
for 15 years he stayed away from him
he didn't have nothing to do with me
and the funny part
is I said pop
I sent them, I write something, I get a, go to the FedEx, UPS, I get a box, put money in it,
and put a letter, hold this money for me, and send it to them, mail it to him.
So I guess my father opened a box, and he put a letter there,
don't you ever effing send me this money?
I don't want nothing to do with it.
Take this money back and send it back to me.
Like, good gracious, that would have been anybody else's fan.
They're able to talk it, I guess.
but my father being who he was and so forth,
I give him honor for standing up for what he believed in.
Right.
So my life is just, I try.
The basic of the story is if I, like my mom would tell you,
it's one thing about me.
If I'm going to do bad, I'm going to do it 100% and be bad.
If I'm going to do good, I'm going to do 100%
and do good.
It was no, I'm trying this and, no, I went balls in on each side.
Either I do good, I do good, or do bad, I do bad.
It's what it is, is what it is.
But I'm giving it 100%.
And that's what I did.
So us being, the hedge got us on all this information, wire tabs and videos.
So it was 240 members.
They got locked up at the same time all over the United States, the country.
They raided everybody's house at the same time.
So it wasn't like I can call.
They hit my house or I heard the house getting hit and called.
No, there was none of that.
We didn't have time to call nobody because at the same time,
they hit each other's houses.
Yeah, simultaneous.
Yes.
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And I sit there, they locked me up.
Now, this is how I got locked up with tax evasion and fraud.
That's what the charge was?
Yes.
Or just your charge?
Wasn't everybody else.
My charge.
My charge was tax evasion and fraud.
Right.
Which seems funny, but the sex.
It's serious charges.
You know what I am?
So after everything I had done, they just locked me up with.
tax evasion of fraud.
But that's what they could prove.
Right?
You know what I'm saying?
They could prove that.
Like when it's clear cut, you know what I'm saying?
Like that's what they get you for.
Sometimes if it's not clear cut, like they'll send in, they'll be like, well, we're, this is, we're questioning this.
Let's send in a couple of agents see what he says.
And then you say, oh, I never do this.
I didn't do this.
Now we got him for lying to an FBI agent.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, now we got it.
So they've got too many tricks.
Yeah.
Not for you to get you to get you on racketeering.
So it's either if they don't get you
Get you on racketeering
Because once they give you a racketeering charge
That means everybody you
If I'm
And you don't even have to know nothing
And I talk to you
Say look they're bringing you in for
Throw me on the indict
Yeah you like
What the heck going on?
So but like
Knock on Wood
When all this came down
And I was like
I'm going to jail for the rest of my life
Did they grab you at that time or did you just hear all these guys?
You're saying you got indicted, but did they, you were one of the 240 guys?
Yes.
Well, I mean, how did that happen?
Like, they lightly knocked on your door and can you ask you to step outside?
So lightly wasn't the word.
You know how they, police say, police.
And I'm on the door and say, police, we have a warrant.
I didn't hear no police or have a warrant, nothing.
and I just heard my door fly off the hinges.
And then I heard all this Rick police.
And he says, anybody in the house come out with your hands up
and all this other crazy stuff?
I'm the only one in the house.
I said, I'm coming down the stairs.
They said, you got any guns or weapons on you?
I said, no.
So I'll come down.
They say, is your name such and such and such.
I said, yes, sir.
They put the handcuffs on me.
They pat me down, put me on the chair.
So now you got the IRS, ATF, and the DEA.
They all in the house, and they search it.
So I had $475,000 cash in a duffel bag under my bag.
Doesn't look suspicious at all.
No, no.
Doesn't feel like money laundering or tax evasion at all.
they're completely unsubstantiated allegations
and then they sit the duffel bag down and you go
I'd like to talk to my lawyer so
so the funny part is
you know I'll tell it at the end
so I'm thinking I'm saying I'm going to jail
for the rest of my damn life
right so I didn't know
they fuck you know when the feds and all them
they come and get you you might as well put your hands
behind your back because you're going to jail.
They ain't like the state.
No, when they get you,
they got you with open hands,
and there ain't nothing but beg for mercy.
That's what I always say,
is that if the state will come and arrest you
and then figure out if they can put together a case,
and then maybe you get bonded out,
maybe you sit there for six months or a year,
and then when they realize,
we don't have much of a case here,
they try and get you to take a plea,
and then they kick you loose,
or you say, fuck you, I'm going to prison or I'm going to trial.
You got a good chance of beat them.
Right.
But when the feds show up, they've already put together.
You're the last piece of the puzzle.
And they don't arrest you if they think we can win at trial.
No.
So they already think we put together a case.
We could beat this guy at trial.
Go arrest him.
Yep.
And so your negotiation, your very, very little negotiation ability with the feds.
Yeah.
So now making all this money.
I had $475,000 cash in a double bag.
I had 12 bank accounts now with $200,000 each in them under dead people's names.
Doesn't look suspicious at all.
That's very common.
The common thing.
Yeah.
So they told me, he says, we went to Bank of America.
We showed them this photo and gave them your name.
And the woman says, no, this is Mr. Jim Jones.
And they said, no, his name's this, this and this.
So they had to go back and they asked how many times or how many accounts I have.
And this, it was so messed up.
Because they had to go get all this evidence from trying to find out what my names were,
whose names I was using, and all this other crazy stuff.
So once that got all done,
they come back to me
says
like I'm just you
who's Mark Henry
but oh man
I said there goes that money
I said they got my money
they got everything
because when they come
they come in to take everything
they ain't leaving you with nothing
so I sat here
after they did all this
about the money and
I said man I'm going to jail
for the rest of my life
I'm thinking about the stuff I already done
did, like, hurting people, extortion, right, all that stuff.
I'm saying, they don't bury me.
They don't dig a ditch under the jail and put me.
I ain't never going to see it.
When they said, we give me you tax evasion or fraud, I would like to jump through the ceiling.
And I was happy to pick and slop.
So, you know, my trial went on, and they stopped.
You went to trial?
Yeah.
I went to a, you know, I wouldn't call it trial,
but you had to go in front of the judge anyway.
Yeah, okay.
For a plea and all that stuff, right?
Because I couldn't beat the charge.
Yeah, yeah.
So I went to, I call it a trial.
I went front of the judge, and they did,
the federal state's attorney said what they said.
My lawyer said what they said.
So you took a plea?
What was the plea?
What was the PSI say?
The plea was, I had to say.
sign over all my possessions.
So I had
businesses,
strip clubs,
construction company,
corner stores. Like in Baltimore,
if you go on a corner,
either a liquor store or
a corner
a little store market,
I had to sign over all that stuff.
And I didn't tell
on nobody or nothing like that.
That's not my M.O. I took it.
I took it on the chin.
And they said, all my boats, my cars, all my motorcycles, everything.
I had cars, motorcycles, hummers, Porsches, Harleys, whatever you could name.
I had houses, rental houses.
I had to sign.
I said, you signed all over all this stuff.
Signed over the money.
Signed over all the money that you had in the bank under dead people's name.
We give you three years.
I looked at my lawyer.
I said, is this for real?
Because they really don't talk to you as much as a plea.
Usually they're talking to your lawyer.
Yeah.
And your lawyer is a mouthpiece.
And then you sign the paper if you want to take it.
I said, so if I take this plea, I'm only going to get three years.
I said, but you have to take the plea.
There was a stipulation that I can't be associated with any 1% clubs.
I can never join one.
I can't associate, like, be a part of it.
of them like or anything like that they weren't
said okay I can do that
I guess if it's three years
so they gave me
the three years
went to jail
and then I was on probation
for another three years
right another three years
like man this is six years of
that supervised release yeah
I'm on so I'm just six
six years basically.
I couldn't mess up.
Right.
So I did that and, you know, to this day,
I had to send my, how I am,
I sent my some of my cuts, my stuff back to the club.
And that was it because most of the people I was in there,
they got big time, 14, 20.
they stemmed it from 20 down that's how much time people got right and man and a lot of them brothers
I became good friends with and I can't associate with them I can't call them and I can't be a part
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I knew that brother had my back and he would die for me.
So real quick, where did you do your time?
They put me in, first I went to Baltimore City, what is it, detention center?
This is Baltimore City Detention Center.
then I went to Baltimore City Jail
Then I went to another place
It's a holding cell
Until they
What they call it
Give you a ranking and stuff like that
I can't think of what is that
They sit there and they give you a ranking
Because like Oklahoma City
The transfer center like a transfer center
Yeah it's a transfer because you have to go there
They give you a ranking
Okay if you buy or higher
You're going to super security
Okay so it's like the U.S.
Like, okay, so the marshals or something.
Yeah.
Would you, what prison were you in?
I went to Baltimore across the street in Super Max
because I was a high-ranking official
and a high-ranking so-called,
what the feds called us was a gang.
So I went there.
And because of the people,
they were like,
we send you here because guess what?
We don't know what kind of connections
or what could happen.
Yeah.
And this jail,
You go in, everything's underground.
You go into Baltimore City Supermax,
you have to get on an elevator
and it takes you on the ground.
Everything's like that.
It's no above ground.
It's like you buried inside a building.
I spent time there.
I was locked out for 23 out of 24 hours.
so I only got an hour out.
It's either I could take a shower,
go out to the ballpen and get some air,
watch TV,
it.
Or use the phone.
Oh, use the phone.
That's the only thing you had an hour,
one hour to do one of them things.
And I did that for three years.
And I came home.
My life started,
back over.
Did you get a halfway house?
No,
halfway,
they let me go right there
in Baltimore City.
Go ahead, get out.
After I did my time,
there was no halfway house,
no,
nothing like that.
They just put me out.
Okay.
And I did that.
They put me out.
I was trying to get house arrest.
But my lawyer said,
you don't need none of that stuff.
You don't do your time to the door.
They're going to let you go.
You don't be on probation.
for another three years.
I said, okay.
I was,
what year was this?
19.
19?
Yeah, 19.
I'm trying to think of the year.
9.
Oh, excuse me,
2000.
Oh, no,
2000.
Yeah, 2000.
I think I got out of jail in 2011.
Okay.
So, 2007,
17, 7, 8.
So 2011, and then you have three years probation.
So I couldn't leave.
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Baltimore City at all.
And I had a probation officer, but that's coming to my house once a week to make sure I live there at that house.
And I had to have a job.
Me?
I never had a job in my life.
I had to find a job.
And that was part of the probation.
You have to have a job.
Right.
I never heard of paying no damn job.
go, you have to pay to be out of prison.
I have to pay my probation officer, like $35 a month.
Is it for restitution?
Because there's no, because the federal system, you don't pay for probation.
No, like for all this charges.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
You have like a hundred bucks per charge, per whatever.
Okay, so you have to, it's the fees.
You have to pay.
Yeah, I'm paying fees.
Yeah, yeah.
And I was like, man, I had to pay fees to be out.
Those are court fees.
Yeah, yeah, you're paying like court fees.
They don't call them that, but they call them something else.
Yeah, yeah.
And I'm like, good, gracious or maceous.
And I'm paying them.
But the thing is, you have to have a job.
If you don't have a job, I was going back to jail.
Yeah.
And it had a strict.
And every two months, two weeks or so,
I had a probation coming to my house,
looking around the house.
And I didn't realize when they come to house,
they can search a house, do whatever they want.
Well, you don't have the same rights as you do as a normal citizen.
No, and I'm like, man, so I did it for three years.
I stayed clean and get in trouble.
I was so squeaky clean.
I was tighter than the fish's butt.
That's how clean I was.
After three years, I moved with my mom.
What was the job you got?
I worked as a roofer.
Okay.
I worked as a roofer mechanic.
After that, I was like, when they said I could leave, my thing was out left.
Now, think about this.
I had everything at my beck and call.
Everything.
Didn't want nothing, need nothing.
Now I don't have nothing.
When they locked me up,
they took everything. When they took everything,
I'm even talking about my underwear and socks.
They took anything they thought I spent
illegal funds with. They took it.
So, if you look at it,
everything I had was with the illegal funds.
Right.
They took everything.
So I just, I moved to my mom.
I asked my mom, say, can I come live with you, mom?
I said, I'm done.
I don't have enough.
She said, I've been praying for you.
Get yourself straight.
And I prayed that you didn't go to jail for the rest of life
or you didn't somebody call me and tell me you was dead.
She said, yes, bring your high yellow button.
down here. I moved, moved to North Carolina, and that's why I started my new life.
And I enjoyed it. I started working. I went to become a, I wanted to become a, a counselor.
But I worked with the homeless people. I like working with homeless people. I did that.
I swear my job.
I found the niche.
In 2002, somewhere like that.
My daughter was, my daughter,
my daughter of Santiana passed away.
She overdosed one fit.
And it really hit me.
Man, I was out there doing this to other people's families.
Not knowing.
It wasn't,
like,
I didn't make them overdose.
Yeah.
But I contributed to it.
And my daughter did that.
And she,
she was 22 years old,
and she would have been 23 in like two,
a week or two.
And I had to pay for the funeral.
Now,
her mother,
nobody helped me.
on her side
because my
I don't know if this is right to say
but she was strung out to
right
and now
she's telling me what I
now I'm paying for this funeral
and this woman's fighting me
and tell me I can't
she said I want a cream maver
I said okay whatever you like
she says and I said I'd like to get someone
on her ass you know she fought me
too finesse
I said, I ain't doing nothing.
My father, I told my father, my father said, I don't care.
She says, he said this to me, that's your daughter?
Now she's been sitting in the hospital and the morgue,
and they can only sit there for a certain amount of time
until they get ready to do whatever they want to do with the body.
They said, that's your daughter?
I don't care what you do.
You get down there and make sure that girl,
gets a burial, and you do it right now.
Me being who I am,
listening to my parents,
respecting my parents, and loving them,
I went there, I said,
look, I am going to pay for everything.
You don't have to pay for nothing.
And that woman brought me over some daggone ashes.
And guess how many, the ashes, it's a necklace.
And it's big as a dog tag.
how big the lock it was.
Right.
And it just ashes.
She fought me with that.
I looked at her.
I said, I'm getting the ashes because
if I don't take care of this,
you can't.
And my daughter, I have another
daughter named Silvano.
And she said, Mom, just let him have
some ashes. He was paying for everything
and done it.
So I do that. I pay for it.
Gets the asses.
This woman's trying to dictate to me
what I can do. She was like,
want you to buy me
I need a death certificate
from like if you want a death certificate
now I don't I never had to bury nobody
or creaming no I didn't know everything
you do you had to pay for it
if you need a death certificate
it's like 20 or 30 bucks
like if you want one you buy it
I'm buying one for me I'm buying one for my parents
that's it if you want
I cut it off I haven't talked to that one
personally
for eight years.
I had nothing,
don't want nothing to do to her.
I used to go
get in trouble all the time with her.
She used to get me locked up
and I ain't did nothing.
Say I beat her up and
all this out. I was taught
never to hit a woman.
But this woman
was hell on wheels with me.
But I became a drug and alcohol
canceler.
I said, if I did like this, I told myself,
if I can't beat them, I'm going to join them.
But I'm going to join them in the right way.
I'm going to try to help them.
Because I already realized I was a gangster for the devil.
When the devil needed me, I was there.
I was doing anything and everything and not realizing I was condemning myself.
Now I'm a gangster for the Lord.
I try to help people that want to help them.
themselves. Whatever, I have a zero judgment zone. I judge no one. Your pass is your past because I can't
collaborate or say anything about your past because if you look at me, I probably had one of the
worst passes ever. I have a tattoo. I have a grim reaper on my back. It says,
Reaper from shoulder to shoulder and it's a grim reaper and he has a cloak. And I got skulls
in a cloak.
So that tells you how much
I was really into this
and doing loving what I was doing.
Where are you,
are you currently working as a drug
treatment counselor?
Yes. Believe it or not,
I'm an ordained minister now.
I have my own ministry
called Freedom Connection Ministry.
We help veterans
and civilians with
drugs, PTSD, anger management, anything in that realm I have, I have done it.
I've been involved in it.
So I'm speaking with experience and helping people with experience because I've been
involved in it.
I've done it.
I've been a part of it.
So what I'm teaching is what I know and what I've learned and all that stuff.
so I'm not BSing nobody.
I know what it is.
My life changed tremendously.
I accepted the Lord in my life.
You know, in these programs, they say,
if you can't go to the person you hurt
because it might cause whatever,
you should just ask for forgiveness.
Go to God, the Lord, and ask for forgiveness.
And that's what I did because I didn't,
couldn't go back to people's families and say,
I'm sorry, I did such and such to your...
Right.
So, and I thought being a Catholic was the way out.
For a Catholic being, because if you do something, you pray,
say a couple hell marries, give some money,
go about your merry way, go do it again, pay.
That ain't how it works either, because you should know better.
I should know better.
If you keep on doing the same thing over and over again,
you're going to get the same result.
And I became a Christian.
And like I said, in 2011,
became an ordained minister.
But I fell.
I did, okay, I did forget this.
In 2011, I was depressed.
So I had $10,000.
And I never smoked.
um rock before as my uncle which he was a he's a connoisseur of that
he said yeah this is take away all this and this like yeah i had 10,000 dollars
that's on the truth 10,000 dollars so i said uncle we're going to spend all this we're
going to have a party spend it all i said to myself there's two things don't either happen
I'm even going to die
I'm going to a rehab after this
and boy
I spent a whole
week in a whole week
from Monday
to Saturday, Sunday
I was smoking up
and now I have other people
partying with me.
It wasn't like I did it all by myself
but I was partying
doing feet and everybody else
the first time you smoke
that stuff is the highest you can
ever get
you can't get no higher than that.
After that, it's over.
And it's called chasing the dragon's tail.
Right.
Because you smoke in the first time, and that's it.
You keep on.
And they say, that's a poor man's high.
And I said, that's a rich man high because, boy, you can go broke in a couple,
a couple of hours with that.
I smoked $10,000.
I went to my mom's.
I said, mom, I had to tell you something.
I had to go to rehab.
She said, why?
I said, I spent $10,000 on rock.
She said, huh?
She said, you should have at least gave me $5,000
and did the other five and then come and told me.
I said, looked at her.
I don't lose your mind.
You're crazy.
She was making a joke.
I went to rehab and got myself together.
That's when I started going back to college.
I went back to college in North Carolina.
And I got my associate's degree, drug and alcohol canceling.
And then my daughter passes away.
And I was like telling my wife now I have, which is a loving, caring, the best woman ever.
Because I never loved nobody.
I was never in love with anybody.
And I hated everybody, even myself.
So to hate yourself and don't care about no...
That makes your job much easier.
Right.
You could do anything then.
Because you don't care about their feelings,
what they feel and what they beg you.
They beg you for mercy.
You know, hold your history.
It's just, I look back.
I had a great time with brothers,
the party, the drugs, all that stuff.
Now I look where I'm at.
All that stuff, millions of dollars getting taken away from me.
Now, I have a nice house, and I've never been in love.
I got a woman that loves me more than anything in the world,
and she's a Christian lady.
She loves me more than anything.
And my daughter passed away, like I said, and I told God,
I said, God, if I could ever be a father to somebody that needs a real father,
I would be it 100%.
So when I met my wife, she has a daughter.
She was 12.
Think about it.
Her father, her father, disowned her.
So my daughter, which is 14, never had a father a day in her life.
I'm the only father figure that girl knows.
And that's my partner.
We do everything.
I teach everything.
I have a long business.
And she helps me cut green.
I'm showing how to ride a zero turn and how to walk behind a bush hog and how to cut grass.
That's my partner.
We do a lot.
I just, it's awesome because God always has a plan.
You might not see the plan until it starts coming out in the open and it came out.
I realized that he allowed me to go through.
all these trials and tribulations. It allowed me to go through this storm that lasted for a while.
But when I came out the storm, I was blessed. I received knowledge, wisdom, and understanding
about everything I've done, I've seen, and I put it to work to help people that need it.
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