Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - 7 Disturbing 911 Call Stories

Episode Date: November 24, 2023

7 Disturbing 911 Call Stories

It's probably three or four o'clock in the morning. This woman calls and said, there's this guy that's been knocking on my door for the past like 10 minutes. And he walks back over to his car that's in the driveway and he pulls out the bag. Then she starts screaming. He's setting my house on fire. There was an RV park downtown on 2nd Avenue. And it had a message playing saying that it was going to blow up. Oh, and it just blew up.

When I got hired on, I was 20 years old. And I had a call for. from a woman who, uh, she had just got free from, uh, somebody had taped her up and, uh, after they broke into her house. And it was, uh, I mean, it was an apartment, but, and it was really close by where I worked at. Uh, she was a student at one of the universities. And, you know, like after that happened, it was, there was a lot that went on. She couldn't manage to free herself, um, afterwards. She was held at knife point, um, apparently repeatedly. Uh, and then he's, the suspect stole her credit cards and, uh, kind of,

left from there and left her tied up or taped up, I guess it's better way to put it. But she managed to get free when she called us. She gave a description of the guy. Once the police got out there, they actually got a good description of the guy and everything and got her credit card information. And they actually found him trying to take some of her money out at ATM about two or three miles away. So they called him.

That was really good, quick work. I was going to say, do you ever find out what happens to these, you know, I would assume you don't like yeah yeah most of the time we don't i mean that's that's one of the things that um you know and actually with that incident there i didn't know what to do i mean i was brand new and i was like i i feel like i want to go and you know help i want to do something more you know and my trainer that was sitting next to me like no this was your part you did your job and that that was that's all that you're needed your part of it's over with so it's it was kind of hard to hear at first because i you know i've never experienced something like that on the phone before

or, you know, really at all. So it was kind of shocking for me. But, you know, the calls continued that month. And I got a few more that, you know, we're pretty screwed up. So like the first month, that's another one that I've told people about. This is pretty nuts the way it happened. I was working this was midnight shift. Like my first month, it was, they usually start you out on midnight shift because they

wanted to be slow for you and have time between calls. It's not really that busy. But that's a good part. about being trained on that shift. The bad part about it is the calls you get, they're real. They're not, they're not any of these, you know, BS type calls where people are calling in because they want, you know, extra sauce on their, their chicken sandwich or something like that, which that does happen. Um, but like this one is probably three or four o'clock in the morning, uh, this woman calls and said, there's this guy that's, he's been knocking on my door for

the past like 10 minutes. And, uh, you know, he's like, as she said, I can't really see who he is, you know, it's dark outside and I'm, I'm afraid to answer the door. So I was like, okay, that's, that's fine. You know, I'll send the police out and they start on the way and she and I keep her on the phone. The guy stops and he walks back over to his car that's in the driveway and he pulls out this, this bag and he starts walking around her house. And when he's, he's doing this. He was knocking to see if anybody was even home. He doesn't bring her right home now.

Yeah. I think that's probably what his plan was. But, you know, when he starts doing this, she's quiet. She's like, I don't know what he's doing. He's just walking around the house. And then he walks back to his car, drops the bag off and then walks back to the front of the house. And then she starts screaming, he's setting my house on fire, like just over and over again. And she's trying to do so where she remains quiet, but you can tell that she's obviously, you know, frightening at this point.

And at that point, me as a dispatcher, I don't know what to do. I'm thinking to myself, okay, I can leave her inside of a burning house or send her outside where this guy might be wanting to, you know, hurt or kill her. Right. Luckily, he ran and jumped to. in his car and drove away, and I managed to tell her to get out of the house right then. And, you know, when she did that, she went outside and she saw his car. She's like, I know exactly who that was. And apparently she had a workplace dispute with some guy and the guy got fired over it.

And he thought it was enough to go and burn her house down, maybe even kill her while she's sleeping or something. I don't know. So what the cop show up? Yeah, the cops showed up and took a statement from her. I don't know what happened to the guy after that. I would hope that he got arrested, but that's one of the. things where we don't find out a lot.

I mean, by the time they got everything wrapped up, I think that there was a report taken and I don't know if they went and actually found the guy and arrested him or anything like that, but I'm sure that they put out the fire. Yeah, yeah, fire department. They were sent. So from what I could tell, it was probably something that he,

essentially the thing that was in his bag that he had, he had gasoline. And he was just doused in the house as he walked around it with gasoline. And, you know, it's set it on fire. One good thing about gasoline when it sets on fire like that, it flames up. It gets really hot, really quick, but it doesn't usually stick that long. So I think the damage to her house was actually kind of minimal. You take so many of these calls and it's just so routine to you, you could take a murder or suicide or something like that.

And it's not that big of a thing. You just go on the next call. I mean, it's when you get like a really, really bad call or something like that. sometimes they'll stick to you like the I'd mention the suicide calls one of the things that really kind of gets you on those is the the fact that you know if somebody calls in and says I'm a I'm suicidal I think I might want to kill myself you know they're most of the time when they say stuff like that they're wanting some help they don't want to actually kill themselves they may think they do but they're not actually going to do it most of the time that's it's just

not something's happening they want to go to a hospital they want to get some medicine they want to get some sort of, you know, mental health treatment or something like that. But the people who call in and they say something like, you know, my name is this, I'm at this location, I'm going to kill myself, you can find me, you know, here. When they call in and they say something like that, almost every single time they kill themselves or they at least attempt to. So I've had a call where a woman did exactly that. She said, my name is so-and-so, I live this address and I'm about to kill myself.

you know, please tell my family, I'm sorry. And then she lays the phone down and then you hear a gunshot and, you know, something like that or one of the other ones that was actually pretty bad too that I've talked about before and people were just like, oh, I can't understand why anybody would do this. The guy said the exact same type of thing. I live this place. I'm going to kill myself.

You can find me at the bottom of the pool. And then the phone, you know, puts the phone down and then you hear a splash in the background. And they got out to that one. And apparently the guy tied on. some ricko blocks to his ankles and threw him in and he jumped in afterwards so he he drowned himself was a horrible way to die i was because there's a horrible way to die yeah most people don't know that you once you actually do that you know he's down there and

if he has a second thought if he can't get himself out he's holding his breath most likely and when you pass out from holding your breath you immediately start breathing again right so you know his first breath he got back in was all water and it's a deep inhale when you do that so Yeah, I mean, we got out there, but by that time, he had already passed away. There was no helping him. Yeah, I was going to say, it's funny, like gunshot wounds. I are when people kill themselves with a gun, you know, you see it in the movie, they stick the, they stick the gun to their head and boom. And it's, listen, I don't always work out like that.

Like I, you know, a lot of times people will put the gun here and then they'll fire the gun. Well, the gun goes up there and it shoots out there, doesn't kill them, you know. or I had a buddy whose father went to commit suicide and he stuck the gun to his temple and fired and the bullet went through his eye cavities, right? Like through that. So now he's blind and he's laying on the ground, passes out, wakes up and then has to search around to find the gun to shoot himself again. Yeah.

I had a similar one to that. It actually, it went on. This guy he calls and I could barely understand what he's saying when he first called. he apparently put a gun into his mouth and he pulled the trigger but when he did it he kind of did it sideways so it blew the side of his face off and like part of his jaw was missing it was and he was when he was talking he was gurgling blood it was really bad and we got out there we pick him up we start transporting him we just had a brand new hospital open up in Nashville when this happened and luckily it was like before this happened the closest hospital would have been probably twice as far away so they got him in the ambulance and I guess midway there they're traveling on interstate highway speeds probably 80 85 miles an hour if not faster than that he decides still he doesn't want to live and he gets up and he jumps out of the back of the ambulance and at that point three cars run over him at highway speed what's messed up is once they they turned around and got back to him

he was still alive so even with all that he shot himself jumped out of an ambulance moving that fast and then run over by three cars and he was still alive I don't know if he lived much longer, but when they picked him back up, he was still alive. A buddy mind who was working the radio up front. He stood up and looked back at me and gave me a thumbs up. He's like, he's got a pulse. I mean, if you didn't want to kill yourself before, yeah,

blow your half your face off and get run over by two, two or a couple of cars like, I mean. Yeah. And that's, I think I saw a comedian one time that it kind of, uh, pointed that out. It's like, yeah, I just, I went and I jumped in front of a, a bus and, you know, trying to kill myself. And now I just got this really bad limp or, you know,

I shot myself in the head. Now I got this ringing in my ear. What were, uh, what were some other ones that were. And, or I hate to say interesting, bro. Yeah. I know.

It's, it's kind of a hard thing to, to, you know, say like interesting of like one of the active shooters that had, uh, this was at a church a few years ago. And I actually tried to get the 911 calls from this. And, um, I didn't take one of the 911 calls.

I was actually working on a fire dispatch radio for this one. So I was helping to, dispatch out the ambulances and stuff. And this guy, he walked into a church during the service and started shooting up. And, um, you know, we got a lot of calls from it, uh, from people inside the church and people from across the street here in the gunshots inside. And, um, one of the most notable calls that we got was, uh, it was a woman who called and she just kept repeating, she couldn't say anything at all.

We got the GPS from her cell phone. Uh, so we knew she was inside of the church, but she was so like nearly catatonic, but all she could say over and over again was shotgun, shotgun, shotgun. She couldn't tell us the description of the guy where he wasn't the church, what the address was, nothing. She just kept repeating that over and over again. So, and that kind of shows you sometimes when you get the calls like that where people just, they're hysterical and they're so hysterical,

you can't control what they're doing at all. You know, there's most people, if they're a little bit excited, you can try to calm them down a little bit, but some people are too far gone and you can't do that. what happened with that one they ended up getting out there they arrested the guy but one of the one of the parishioners there at the church uh actually um managed to fight with the guy pulled the gun from him like actually got the gun and shot him and uh you know he was still alive when they got out there and they you know he went to trial and uh he's in prison now so uh trying to remember

how many i think there was like one person was killed and then the I think he shot four or five others while he was inside the church. But, you know, I don't think as far as if he was wanting to go in there and kill as many people as possible, it's, I think he probably had a better opportunity or maybe didn't plan it out the way. But I'm glad, regardless that only that many people got shot because it could have been a whole lot worse than it was. Have you ever had anybody, you know, call up that had killed, has killed somebody? Like, yeah, just killed my whatever. Yeah, a few times. I mean, it's pretty rare to have something like that.

But, and most of those, you think, oh, those are probably the most exciting calls. They're really not because you, you talk to them on the phone and you just have to keep them on the phone while the police are on the way out that way. You just sort of ask them, you know, what they did, how they do it or whatever. And you just try to keep them talking. And most of the time they're at that point, not always, but some of the times they'll be just really regretful for what they've done. and everything like they didn't really think it through all the way and you know that they're not wanting to they're they're just really regretting what they did you know and they're they're hoping that they can take it all back but i mean at that point obviously there's not not anything you can do about it

so you're talking about like are you thinking of a specific one we're like yeah i mean some people will call in and they'll they'll be um well as far as a specific one of a couple over the years one guy called in and said that he, um, you know, he'd beat up his wife, but beat her to death. And, um, you know, he didn't think she was breathing anymore. Uh, it was, you know, the way he was describing it was kind of vague. And that's, that's one of the things you think about like, it's okay, well, what happened, you know, and, uh, but apparently he just, he beat her.

I'm not even sure if he, he may have had a weapon. I don't know. Uh, it's another one that I didn't pay attention to after I left from work and never found out the details about it but um yeah i mean you just talk to him you get his address and you ask him what's going through his head and he's just like oh we've had problems for a long time and you know it's most the time something like that's influenced heavily by drinking and or drugs and then sometimes sometimes like a mental health issue and that's really the the more rough part about it is that you get somebody that's that far gone and drugs or alcohol i mean they're making horrible decisions and they're not even really aware of.

Do you have any any comical ones? Yeah, I got quite a few of those. So first off, I guess you allow bad language on the show, right? Yeah. Okay. All right. So this one is one, it's actually not my, my call that I took, but it was a buddy mine's call. This guy, he was a dispatcher for 40 years and he's hilarious by, by himself, but he took this call really early on when I just started.

And it was a guy calling in saying his house is on fire. And, you know, the first thing you get is the address or something like that. That's, they honed into you. You've got to get the address. Got to get the address. Um, so he's, he's trying to get the address. And the guy goes, uh, I'm on 17th Avenue north. He goes, yeah, but what's the address?

He goes 17th Avenue north. He says, no, no, I need an exact address. What's the actual numerical on the address? And he says, look, just have the fire. department drive up 17th avenue i guarantee you i'm the only motherfucker whose house is on fire right now yeah that one and um let's see that i actually this is um i was just at crime con i actually met you at there kind of briefly i had a speaking session here and i i talked about this one uh too that and this is feel really actually you know really bad for the guy it's just the way that it

was kind of played out it was it was it was really funny um this guy called in and he's he was like you know i'm I'm in a bad way, man. I need an ambulance. I was like, okay, what's going on with him? I got his address, all that kind of stuff. And when he starts telling me about it, he says, it's like, yeah, I'm just feeling real bad. I've been, I've been sick for three, four days.

And, you know, I just, I can't even move now. And I've been throwing up and now I've been pooping. And he's like, I can't stop pooping. I was like, okay, he goes, yeah, no, every time I cough, I poop. And then he starts coughing. So that's, you know, and that was one that I really had. Most of the time, if I get something that's funny on the phone, I'm able to just kind of wave it off.

I keep my, keep a straight face. I almost laughed at that one just because I wasn't expecting that at all. It was really, really bad. But, you know, like I said, somebody like that, they're in genuine need. I feel bad for even thinking about laughing, but it's, you know, it is what it is. Some of the things I was talking about earlier on with the people calling in for just really stupid stuff. I mean, you've got people who call in because they get one, too, few chicken nuggets in their, their combo meal at McDonald's or something. They'll, you know, leave and they'll see that they have nine chicken nuggets instead of 10, and they'll call the police once they can't get the manager or whoever they are to give them an extra one or give them their meal for free.

And, you know, at first, I sort of laughed at those two, but after you start getting them, I'm not joking. Once a week, I get a call like that. And you think about it, like if we've got 25 people working on a ship, you know, half of those people are answering phones and we're taking one of those per day and it doesn't matter what shift you're on. So we're probably taken as a center hundreds of those calls every single week. It's pretty insane. What do you tell them?

Well, in most places, Nashville is one of them. Like we, I tell them just straight up, that's something that we, the police can't handle. You know, you have to work it out with the manager there. If you can't get something like that worked out with a manager, you can go up, you can go to their district manager or even contact, try to contact the owner or CEO of whatever restaurant you have. And, you know, but if they start getting violent or, you know, say the employee calls in or something like that and say they won't leave, you know, we'll send somebody out and they'll get them to move along, but there's nothing they can do about it. But one of the funny parts about it too, though, somebody will call in about this stuff and, you know, they won't think about it. they'll have a warrant.

And when they get out there, they'll check them for a warrant. They'll take them to jail. So, you know, those, we get the dumb asses calling in too. So,

uh, people calling in and they have previous criminal histories and they have a warrant sitting there for, you know, something like a probation violation or worse. And they get picked up because they wanted to complain about a freaking chicken nugget. Yeah.

I mean, do they, do you not explain to them like what, you don't say like, what are you doing? You don't call 911 for this. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, we'll do that too, but has it escalated by that point? Yeah, they don't care. I mean, you'd be surprised that probably only about 10% of all calls that come in on 911 are actually real life threatening emergencies. And, you know, the rest of the calls we get, you know, you've probably heard of the butt dials and stuff like that where people's phones will be in their pocket or something like that. Right. Or some little kid. Yeah, yeah. And that's another thing, too, that people don't know that like a disconnected cell phone.

So if you've got an old phone that you just got in your desk or something like that or you let a kid play with an old phone, they can still call 911, even though they're not hooked up to a service. How does that work? Yeah. Connected to. It just, it latches on to a, you know, whatever nearby tower there is and that's all it is. But it works the same way with home phones.

If you walk into a house that. is vacant and they've still got like it's still connected to the pole and it's running into the house. If they still got an old phone that's connected to the wall, you pick up and dial 911 one, it'll still go through. And how do you know when when someone calls? What if they don't know their address? I'll kind of go through a few different things with, you know, I'll ask them if they've

got a piece of mail or something like that they can look at or, you know, ask somebody that's there. Luckily, the GPS technology we've got now for the cell phones. they've got a lot better when they when I first started hardly anybody even had cell phones back then it was 2000 there was you know maybe I think I read some time some time ago that it was like eight or nine million people in America had cell phones back then and you know if you do the numbers that's like I don't know maybe one in 75 million or 75 or so right really hardly anybody had a cell phone so if you had a wreck or something like three o'clock in the morning you know

you're going to work, you didn't have a cell phone. You actually had to walk somebody's house, knock on the door and say, hey, can I use your phone? I've got to call 911. But as far as now, GPS, we can get within a few feet of where they are. So if they're inside of a house, we can usually pinpoint where they are. But most of the time, the people are cognizant enough, they can actually tell us what the address is and stuff. So like here recently, like the Christmas Day bombing that we had, it was in 2020. That was one of the bigger calls that I'd had anything to do with.

And I was actually working on police radio that day. But the way it happened, I don't know if you're familiar with the bombing. No. Yeah. Christmas Day for a dispatcher, it's like one of the slowest days of the year. There's nothing going on.

Everybody's sleeping in. You know, there's everybody's with their families. Nothing really happens. Barely anybody's on the road, so there's hardly any wrecks or anything. And in Nashville, it's the same way, especially now that most people in Nashville,

they live somewhere else. They're from somewhere else. So they leave the city and they go back to whatever their hometown is and visit family. But that morning, we got called. We started getting calls. I think it was like two or three o'clock in the morning. It was before my shift happened. And the calls that people were calling in was there was an RV part downtown on 2nd Avenue. And it had a message playing saying that it was going to blow up. And it had kind of a timer kind of countdown thing going every 15 minutes it will say this will you know it's going to blow up and so so so many minutes and one that actually got down to the last five minutes i mean in between all this it was playing like songs that uh old 60 song called downtown i

can't remember who it is that uh played that but uh played that on a loop and you know at 630 that's when I walked in. That's when my shift starts. I walk in and everybody's up standing around and kind of moving about, which usually on the Christmas, everybody just kicked back and chilled. There's nothing going on. I was like, I asked the guy, I'm relieving. I said, what's, what's going on here? What's why is everybody up? And he says, oh, there's an RV downtown and he keeps playing this message over and over again saying it's going to blow up. And then he goes, oh, and it just blew up. And I was like, all right, just hop up. Let me take over and see what happens. And turns out the guy, like I did a couple episodes.

on that. It was pretty bad. It blew up a couple of buildings completely demolished a whole bunch of others. But luckily, he was the only one that died. He actually kind of did that, I think, by design. He was inside the RV. He may have killed himself beforehand, but the entire thing was blown to shred. So they couldn't find out if he shot himself or if he was just blown up like that. But he was actually kind of a conspiracy theorist type person. He worked at one point in some capacity for AT&T and he had a thing out for them and he parked right in front of one of their main junction buildings and when he did that it blew up that portion of the building and it knocked pretty much all the AT&T service out for a lot of the southeastern states for I mean it was a few days before they got everything back up so this is like a Timothy McVey he must have had he put together his own mix and had it in the RV just in a drums or something I mean Yeah, yeah. I don't know that they ever determined exactly what type it was, but, you know, they've, they've went back and looked. It turned out that his, his girlfriend at the time, well, previous to that, I guess it was, she actually called and said, hey, you know, he's making a bomb out there.

And apparently police went by the house. Nobody was answering. And it's, they're kind of limited to what they can do. They can go out there and knock on the door, try to talk to somebody, because anybody can call in and say, you know, hey, there's a dude over here with gun and right, just be some Joe Schmoe walking down the street and just some rando trying to get him in trouble. Right. So they kind of did that and they didn't talk to anybody. They didn't see anything out of the ordinary. So at that point, they had very little they could do as far as doing any searches or

anything. Um, I think they tried to follow up with the same kind of result. So, uh, there was not too much they could do at that point. So it's, uh, it wasn't one that was on anybody's radar. I think they said that he had one previous conviction from like the 70s or something like that where he got arrested for like marijuana possession or something. It was like nothing at all. So it wasn't like he was some sort of a career criminal or anything, but he was crazy. They started looking into his past and he believed that there was like a race of like alien

reptiles or something like that that, you know, walked among us. And he would go out to like these state parks and just stay out there with all this camera equipment. and, you know, he's like, they live out here in these parks and, oh, they do. And once he gets out there with the camera equipment, he starts trying to film these creatures that were there. Then he's like, oh, they've got cloaking devices, so I can't see him on camera. So, you know, any little thing to kind of mess him up with his own theories he had in his head. And I think he was one of those 5G conspiracies, conspiracy theorists, too,

where he believed that the 5G networks were eating our brains and such. So. And he worked for AT&T at one point. Yeah, he did like private security and stuff like that. Like he apparently was really good with, uh, when I say private security, like, um, computer type, you know, um, security. Uh, right. He was, he had a shop where he worked on computers and stuff. And, you know, he was, he seemed like he was a smart guy overall, but he just wasn't all there.

Well, I mean, look at the Unabomber. Like the guys, you know, he's brilliant, but. Oh, yeah. You know. Yeah, with something like that, I don't know if it's one of those things where if you reach a certain level of intelligence in your life, there's just kind of like a tipping point where everything's, you know, it's a little bit too much for your brain to handle. I don't know, but well, this guy, I guess it was. And he just, he went over the top, but he did everything that he was planning on doing. So he, he was actually the message it was playing saying over and over again, this is going to blow up, evacuate the area.

So it sounded like he was not trying to kill people. He was just trying to kill himself. Well, I mean, I wonder what the bomb squad called? Yeah, they were notified that this was happening, but we didn't have any knowledge at the time that there was an actual bond there. So the police went down to the area. They cleared out some of the area. They were going door to door.

There's a lot of downtown Nashville. It's, you know, bars and clubs and stuff like that. Right. None of them were open at this time. they were all closed everybody gone home and the the few apartments that are there they're like lofts above the places so they managed to evacuate them uh some of the homeless people that were out on the street they got them out of the way and um you know what's what's really messed up is the whole thing was called uh on one of the body worn cameras the officer that was

there it's you know it was pretty bad uh he was walking back to his car that was like around the corner from where it happened at and as he's getting into his trump for something the whole thing blows up, it shatters windows out, like through buildings that he was next to. Like, as he's walking, everything's normal. When he turns around, there's debris everywhere, and there's still stuff falling down. And it was just chaos for a long time. Some of the other bigger calls that I've taken, like the, for instance, the floods that we happened and that we had in 2010, like, that's not really a crime type thing, but it's something

now-one dispatchers have to do. Right. And it was kind of unprecedented for what happened. I was actually, when it first happened, I was actually in South Carolina at my cousin's wedding, and I saw, I started seeing it on the news. I was like, oh, I got to turn around and go back home. Luckily, the wedding had already happened, but Nashville got like it was, I think it was like 13 and a half inches of rain in two days. And like the downtown area completely flooded, surrounding areas, anywhere close by the main river, the Cumberland River in Nashville. it was completely flooded and you know most people they got out and stuff but there were a few people

they had to be rescued they climbed on top of their roof the roof of their house and we had to fly in helicopters or take boats over to pick them up some of them were stuck in their attic for hours before they can get out um and what's what's really screwed up is it's not like the um you know that itself is there's no crime involved in a flood obviously but the aftermath of it so many looters I mean, I'm amazed at the type of people that just go out and, you know, they see an abandoned house. They're going to run inside it and steal as much as they can from it and run back out with it. And that, that was a huge problem. It's all over.

Yeah, what do you get for stuff like that anyway? It's not like anybody's keeping cash or jewelry or anything like that. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, everybody's got money in the bank. They've gotten it. Even if you grab, if you somebody walked up and tried to get your wallet, how much cash have you got on you? You know, almost never have cash. Yeah, nobody has cash anymore.

So it's, yeah, the, you know, robberies, I mean, that's, that's a good one. And, you know, robberies in general, they're not happening as much anymore. Right. They still do, like from, from a person anyway. So, you know, you have like now the big thing's carjackens. So you'll go up and have somebody just bump you from behind a car and they'll run up with a gun. And, you know, because you'll think, okay, it's just a little accident or something like that. You want to swap insurance.

Exactly. And then the guy, you know, runs up, you know, there's two or three people in the car behind you. They'll come up, pull you out of the car, throw you out like it's, you know, GTA5 or something like that. And they drive off in your car. And the whole reason it's not for keeping your car. It's because they're going to use the car to go and do other crimes, drive-bys, robberies, you know, whatever like that. And that's one of the big things happen. It happens quite a bit in Nashville. And most of the time it's juveniles that are doing that. It's like, you know, 15, 16, 17-year-old kids that are out there. doing these like carjackings and then going around and shooting somebody with that car and then they'll dump the car you know and actually um got a story about that too i actually had um uh this was like last year i guess it was it's kind hard to like put them all together but i actually had somebody uh i took little bits of every piece of this call the first call i got was a woman who had just been carjacked she was it's a little of town just barely outside of downtown somebody did just that they ran up to her at a stoplight took her out of her vehicle it was a i think she had like a dodge charger challenger one of those and threw her on the ground held her at gunpoint you know and they just drove off in the car

so i got all the information about that um sent it up and i actually talked to her the person that actually got robbed and then a few minutes later uh well i say a few minutes probably a couple hours after that now i'm thinking about it i get a call weird call from this dude he's a locksmith and he's like yeah i've got these guys and they've called me to they want me to make a key for their car and they said the car's running and everything like that and then they just lost the key somewhere they just need another key for it and he's like there's something wrong with it i don't i don't feel right about it and he's like you know when i get over there they're causing all kinds of trouble it seems like with each other kind of arguing and

then i'll look in the back seat and there's a bunch of guns back there and i just kind of pulled back off. And I asked what kind of car it was. And he told me, and it matched the description. The people that were there matched the suspect description. So I got the police going out there and they believed that they were part of a kind of a bigger carjacking ring. And they ended up surrounded the entire place with SWAT. They had the helicopter kind of hovering out of the area ready to go that way if they ran somewhere like get them canine, the whole deal. And then I went down and I actually jumped on the radio where they had the kind of secret command going on. where they were setting everything up and they ended up rushing in all at once and a couple of them took off on foot but they called all of them and I don't know what they actually got charged with after that but that was like you know several hours start to finish for you know pretty much a carjacking you know what I was going to say carjack that's a that's a serious offense you know what I'm saying like you'll realize you get 20 25 years for yeah and we'll see that you think that I mean that's that might be what they're sentenced but

You know, the way that the criminal justice system is working now. I took a call about a guy of the suspect. I found out later on, like, I was actually on a police radio. When this happened, we get in a shooting. And, you know, of course, they go out there. It's chaos. Second, they get out there, everybody's screaming. And this was like in one of the projects in Nashville, which that's where a lot of the shootings and stuff like that happened.

It's usually like drug related or whatever. And we get out there and the guy, they got shot. he was dead and they start putting out the suspect description and everything and they got a name for the guy luckily because a lot of times you know the people that are there on the scene they forget um right what this person look like because they're going to go and try to take revenge on note on that guy and so but luckily they did get somebody that said his name and stuff like that and once they put that out um we ran the criminal history he just got out for homicide but he only spent like two years in for like an actual homicide to the this day, I've no idea how in the world he only did two years for killing somebody. Well, I mean, every state's different. So, you know, it's, you, you, you never know, like in Florida, you, if you, it's a carjacking in Florida, like, you could, you can do some serious time. Yeah. Yeah. Tennessee is usually pretty hard on stuff like that.

Now, again, it might have been that he was just out for, I can't even think of a reason that he would be out for. I mean, no, that's, you know, I was thinking like, oh, he's out on bond or something, but no, he, he was convicted and put in. risen but he only spent two years there yeah you know it's funny uh i i owned a bunch of houses next to j c napier project oh really yeah yeah you probably get called there yeah yeah i'm very familiar with that place it's uh like that between uh they call it j c and uc uh jac napier and then university court they're right next to each other and those are probably the most dangerous housing projects in nashville and we get tons of calls there it's like you know there's always drugs there's always guns there's always somebody shooting or stabbing somebody

i mean it's it's just it's nuts there all the time i mean we've and uh they had something a while back if you're familiar with the area um so they've got a dollar general that's right there and there was something that happened down there it was like um i can't even remember what it was it was uh like something like a big fight or something like that and then they ended up burning the place down and that was like the their closest grocery store it's like a you know walking distance where they go in and get what are they want and they ended up burning the place down so luckily they've rebuilt it and everything but i was just thinking myself why would you do that that's you know it's kind of asinine i i lived in uh well i lived in j c napier for a while too but i also lived in uh green

hills like uh that's a stark contrast man yeah yeah yeah you go from uh the you know from the you know from one place to the you know green hills zip code that's a a big jump i mean you go from government assistance and uh jacier over to green hills where now you can't buy a house there for probably under two million dollars yeah i i bought i just bought up a bunch of property right around the just around the projects in that general area and just renovated them and was pulling money out and yeah now it's they're trying to reform that whole area and you know just kind of like you were saying, the edge of that area that a lot of people are buying houses there and they're redoing the inside and sometimes they just do a complete tear down and build something new on the property. And, you know, there's still a bunch of crime in the general area, but now it's getting kind of more confined to just directly around the projects there.

Yeah, I was going to say Germantown. That's who I remember Germantown was on the other side of the city. Yeah, Germantown. they um like the uh so there's a croger there i don't know if you remember that croaker um one of the things we always talk about is the dispatch is if we know the address to a place if we know by heart you don't want to go there because we get so many calls there right and you know that croaker that's over that way everybody knows the address because we get so many calls there about shoplifting and stuff like that and you know it's just there's always some sort of insanity there's people that

have just moved to Nashville and they've made a kind of a fate map of Nashville where they have different areas and they call that the murder cropper because people have been shot out in the parking lot and stuff and just the other day I took a call from we had like four or five calls from from this it was just some people that were up by the front the cash registers and they were they got in an argument started fighting then they went to the back and started picking up wine bottles and started to hit hitting people with them so no good reason they just started a fight and I guess they wanted to escalate it by hitting each other with wine bottles that they just took from the shelves. It's just, it's so funny compared to, you know, when I was in Nashville, compared to now, like, just how much stuff is out there.

Like, you would see, you would see, like, insanity. Like, you would drive around there and people are, you know, there's homeless people and people arguing and getting into fights on the street and everything. and I wonder what it's like now. Like, I wonder what was at the year here? 2006. Okay. Yeah, that's, it's changed a whole lot since then.

I mean, back then it was still like really dangerous, even the outside areas from it. So, but yeah, the housing projects, they're kind of, they're revamping them.

They're trying to move them around some sometimes, but they're still there. There was talk about them trying to move that one to a different part of town, like all the residents, move them to a different part of town and kind of do a new area they haven't jumped on that though i wouldn't be surprised they you know for a city aspect it would probably be a good reason to do that because all the property there they could put up you know millions of dollars worth of houses there

yeah but uh yeah it's it's it's it's one of those kind of weird things where you have to kind of map out the the the good and the bad from it like those the people who live actually in the projects they you know a lot of them most people think oh everybody's drug users or whatever like that no some people just they they don't have education they don't have good jobs they you know don't have cars they have to ride a bus everywhere and um you know they might work at that dollar general or something like that and that's how they're making a living so um you know they want to stay closer to where they work at and a lot of those people that live there they might work in a restaurant downtown or something like that so it's a close walk or a bike ride or

something that they can do that you remember what street you lived on uh donelson okay yeah we owned a property we owns a property on is it fairfax or fairfield yeah yeah um and then there was a what was it um it's like green street or yep green street yeah that's that's on the other side uh so like yeah green street kind of runs into you know the area runs into hermitage avenue which is cross the interstate, but, uh, you know, like you got green street and little green street and back there in that corner of that, uh, that place is where a lot of those stolen cars get dumped at and sit on fire. And, you know, you live in around there, you probably

saw a bunch of dumpster fires, didn't you? Um, no, I mean, not that I can recall, but then I, I only lived there like, I only lived there maybe, maybe five or six months. Like, and I only lived in that area because I, we had bought. up so much property in the area. So, you know, I could go out on my porch and I own the house next door. I own these three houses over there. I own four houses over there. And we had two vacant lots over there. We were building new houses on. So, you know, I was buying up the whole neighborhood. So. Yeah. Yeah. The dumpster fire thing is over in that area and a couple other housing projects, but specifically that one, anytime there's a dumpster fire that was lit,

But that's always when there was like a new shipment of drugs that came in. It was just a signal that everybody, if they saw the dumpster going up, they knew that they could go to their dealer and get some more stuff. Wow. Yeah. Nice. I remember one time walking, we were renovating a house and I walked out on the porch. And one of the guys, one of the contractors that worked there, I remember his name was Wayne.

He was an old black guy. And there were two guys in the middle of the street. Like one guy was trying to stab the other guy. yeah but and they're just you know and the other guy's not running away like he's staying you know 15 20 feet away and the other guy'd run at him and he'd kind of run and dodge out of the way and then he'd stop for a minute and they're screaming at each other and and I was like what's going on bro like I go I go should I and so I told Wayne I was like man I think that guys that guy's got a knife and I was like should I call 911 and he goes nah he said that's like he knew

both of them that dude sleeping with that guy's wife it's been going on forever they're not he's not going to hurt him they're just screaming it's fine and they did they they set did this for 10 maybe for five minutes five or 10 minutes yelling swinging at him and running at him real quick to try and get to him and he couldn't get to him and you know and then they just got tired and wandered off yeah that's pretty nice what do you know what's going on yeah i mean like you were saying uh like oh they they know these guys, they're just playing, they're messing around, whatever like that. And that actually made me think of another call that we, I actually, when we first started, when I first started, we actually had a program where we had to go on police ride alongs at least once per year. And I was on a ride along with the officers over in North Nashville, which is Germantown area, that area. Right. And we got a call from this people that said, oh, these two guys are, they were in a fight in the middle of the street. And they said, oh, I think one of them probably needs an ambush. ones didn't go into detail about what it was and we get out there the ambulance there's another officer already there the ambulance is already there they got one dude sitting on the the back

of the ambulance like the steps of the ambulance and just sitting there talking describing what happened and he's like yeah it's just me and a buddy and this dude he was a big dude he was he was probably four or five hundred pounds like he was like really overweight and he was just talking just like I am right now and he's like yeah I mean uh he was just a buddy mine we were just play fighting and we were just kind of wrestling around and you know it wasn't anything big and then I looked down and like his foot was literally off of his leg but being it was held on by a piece of skin about that wide it was just dangling off of his leg and he was high as shit on something because like he said he wasn't telling any pain he was just talking like I am

right now even with his leg his foot hanging off of his leg and apparently I guess what happened was like when they were wrestling just play fighting the dude stomped his ankle and it broke compound fracture and it knocked his foot off so he had no clue no he knew what happened i mean he looked down but there was like you you would think somebody like that they'd be screaming in pain or passed out like just right no he was he was high as shit on something and like he he was feeling no pain at all why didn't they take if the ambulance was there why he wasn't in the ambulance on his way to the hospital Well, they were still trying to get him squared away and they were taking vitals and stuff like that.

Oh, okay. They were like just kind of your basic normal stuff before you would go to the hospital, but he was like sitting there and like one of the things that with breaks like that, you know, you have like the type of break that would as far as veins go, you either rip or they they slice, you know. And apparently some of them when they're cut the right way, they'll just keep bleeding. and it doesn't stop that easy. But if they're, like, ripped apart, sometimes they'll pull back in and it'll stop the bleeding. And, you know, like, he was barely bleeding from it. It was just kind of a stump that was there.

It was bloody, but. Oh, it's horrible. Yeah. I just, I can't even imagine. Like, after his high came down, I'm sure he was, he was pretty fucked up after that. So, uh,

it was bad. How did you get into, or how did you become a dispatcher anyway? Actually, when I was, uh, just a long time. ago that's been 23 years ago I was a tuxedo salesman believe it or not I started started out like I worked at a tuxedo shop and it was a they also did costumes so it was like

real busy around Halloween and stuff like that and I actually had a trip scheduled to go to Scotland and you know everything was paid for I was 20 years old back then and actually I was yeah I was 20 I had to think about it for a second but the the manager that I had there they actually had somebody quit and then seriously like four or five days before my trip they said we're going to have to cancel your vacation days and i mean it was just you know kind of a shock to me i was like i've already paid for the tickets and like hotels everything's already paid for and it was you know pretty expensive for me back then especially when i was making i think i don't know it was like eight or nine dollars an hour so um you know i was just like i'll just find something when i get back

i quit and then when i got back my dad is actually a he was a sheriff deputy here in nashville but But even though it's done a little bit differently, Nashville, most sheriff's departments that cover the county and they do everything that police does. But in Nashville, we have a little different system where the sheriff's office, they actually just run the jails and they serve civil warrants and things like that. So he was a jail guard at that point. And he knew somebody in human resources and said, hey, they're looking for 911 one dispatcher. So, you know, I think you might actually have a good temperament for the job and everything. And I was like, okay, I'll give it a shot, see what happens. And jumped in and, you know, a lot of training.

that goes along with it and, um, you know, just kind of worked out 23 years later. I'm still there. What kind of trait? Like, how long does that take? No, it's, it's actually pretty extensive. Most people wouldn't think of it like this, but, um, when you first get in in your class, after you get past all the, the hiring process, which is tedious as hell. I mean, anybody that's been interviewed, uh, and, uh, possibly taken on for a role in any

type of first responders type thing can tell you about this. It's, you know, you have like a 20 plus page application. and they want to know everything about you. They want to know every little piece of your past, every school, your residence for the past 10, 20 years, something like that. Right. Just a little bit of everything. And then once you actually get past all that, you have a few tests.

For me, it was just a typing test, and then you have a polygraph and a psych test, things like that. But once you get past all those little tests, you get into your in-class training once you're hired. And that can last around six weeks where you learn how to use the computer system. you learn kind of a basic knowledge of the laws. I mean, very, very basic how to take. And actually, when I was hired, I was hired as a police-only dispatcher. So when you now, most centers, most centers, a lot of the centers we have,

they're combined where they do police, fire, and medical minds that now. But back then it was police only. So you do that for six weeks. And then after that, each one of your months that you're first on for your first three months, you go to a different shift and you have a trainer sitting with you making sure you're doing everything right and trying to correct you and help you along and then after that there's another two-week training to actually do the police radio and then another three-month rotation so you're after everything said and done you're close to a year after you've trained and had a little bit of free time in between before you're actually released completely on your own it's basically like repetitive calls right yeah that's a lot of calls i mean um Most people think, like, the police will go out to, you know, anywhere from four or five, maybe if they're really busy, 10 incidents in a day. That's like, I mean, I'll answer that many calls in probably 15 or 20 minutes. So, I mean, it's hundreds of calls a day that I'm either answering on the phone or dealing with on the actual police dispatch radio.

And I think in the time I've been there, I've done kind of rough estimate. I think I've probably done somewhere around a million calls. what is the what is the major call that you get what's the the majority of the calls is it i mean violence no actually it's more things like fraud and theft it's things that you never see on the news you never hear about it's you know someone who got their car broken into or someone who i mean we get a lot of wrecks you know non-injury wrecks uh things that you know not very noteworthy they're in the big scheme of thing is kind of boring it's uh it's just kind of a routine type thing. I mean, we'd get 100 plus wrecks in a single day. I dispatch out in Nashville,

so it's a, you know, bigger city, but it's not a huge city by any means. And, but even with that, we get anywhere from 100 to 200 wrecks with no injuries every single day. It doesn't matter if it's sunny or if it's raining outside. We're always getting those. How many, how many dispatchers are there? In Nashville, we employ, I think it's around 180, um, but it's, but that's split up too. That's with all our support staff and managers and things like that. We've got a pretty big tech department. So it's on a shift every single day. We'd have, like on my shift, for instance, we might have around 25 people working. Right. Yeah. I was going to say, I was just thinking it's like eight hours. It's three eight hours shifts, right? Yeah, exactly. Some centers, they do different ones where they do, you know, 12 hour shifts or I've even seen, I don't even know how they do this. They try to mirror a fire department where they work for 24 hours straight and they'll have two days. off and I can't imagine doing something like that with dispatch with fire department yeah absolutely because you in between calls you're sitting down and

resting you can sleep at night but with dispatch you you would be a wait for 24 hours straight can you imagine how many how many 9-1-1 dispatchers there are in New York yeah it's it's a lot I think it's somewhere like I don't know like 1,500 2,000 something like that all together and they're split up in different different areas. So, I mean, like my building, we've got just, it's a decent size building, but we've got two floors. Most of our people taking the phone calls, they're upstairs and the radio dispatchers are downstairs. But I've seen a picture of inside of one of their centers. And it's just massive. I mean,

it's crazy. The size, like a Home Depot. Yeah, it's about like that. And then the whole place is computers. Like, all you see is computer screens. So on your, I'm just, thinking about your your podcast yeah what do you go over on the podcast so i'll go out and i find actual real 911 one calls i'll play you know anywhere from uh one to three what i call incidents because some of them have more than one call per incident and i'll play the actual real normal one call kind of dig into what happened during the call and from there i'll kind of critique the dispatcher sometimes i mean if they do a good job bad job most of the time it's it's

fine. I mean, dispatchers in general do a pretty good job, even though sometimes the public don't understand that, you know, they want a dispatcher that gets excited along with them. And that's just not the way, that's not the best way to do it. Right. So you would follow, would you, so you would follow up on a, on a call like that with the guy set in the house on fire. Do you follow up and figure out what, find out what happened? Yeah. Yeah. I try to find as much as I can. And most of the calls that I play on my show, they're not mine. There are other places, other agencies, you'd be kind of amazed that like all the true crime podcast and stuff like that.

I mean, there's, if you knew, have the knowledge of 911 one calls, there are about 280 million 911 calls placed every year in America. So you think about it, almost every person dials 911 one at least once per year. That's kind of how it is. And there may be what, I don't know, maybe a hundred new. worthy like national newsworthy true crime type incidents that happened so that like the the frequency is something like that just so minor you know the the big incidents that you know i kind of helped out with and the time i've been there were we had a really huge flood in 2010 we had the tornado that happened in 2020 the national bombing that happened in 2020 and then just recently um we had the covenant school shooter the active shooter there and i've dealt with some other active shooters and things like that along the way but they were smaller in comparison to all the other incidents okay so what what are what's another one that

you've you've done you've been uh so like out of those 23 years there have to be some good ones yeah and that like i said the fire one's a good one but yeah yeah so like um well i'm i'm curious about your podcast you've been doing it or what like how did you how did you did you come up with the idea yourself or were you did you start it yourself yeah for the podcast part um i had no experience like literally zero experience at all with anything podcast i may have listened to an episode of one podcast one time right and i thought it was oh it's just you know this is not even like really a thing but uh a friend of mine uh a couple friends they were like oh you should write a book you know because you've had so many experiences

I was like, yeah, maybe, I don't know. They're like, oh, you should do podcasts. You know, you got like a decent voice and stuff. I was like, I'll see about it. And me and actually, a buddy of mine, the guy that took the call about the house on fire, he was retired at that point. And like I said, he'd been on the job for 40 years. And we just started out kind of like a, we didn't really know what to do with it. And we just kind of had like a buddy type show where it was like, you know, we were talking about calls from the day or, you know, we'd have cops on the show and just kind of talking about.

experiences we had or whatever like that and right but then you know this guy he's he's in a 60s and he's you know fully retired and everything and he didn't understand how much effort it took to actually do this it's like we would be there you know recording probably six seven hours sometimes and then the edits and stuff and he lived in a different city back then there was no good way to do any type of remote stuff and he was old not very tech savvy so I don't know if I could have got him set up remote anyway but you know it was just a little bit too much for him and He just wanted to retire. So it's like, all right, I got to figure out a way to do this on my own.

And it's kind of more than what I do now. So it's more of a, it's kind of a both educational and entertaining type show where people who want their true crime fix, they can get it. But also be taught a little bit about what to do, what not to do when calling 911 one, what to expect from police once they get there and, you know, just things like that. So, and it's worked out pretty well. Right. How much do you work on it per week? anywhere from like I can get a quick episode I call it a quick episode I might be able to get one of those done all the calls and research and then recording editing I might be able to get one of those done in about 10 hours and that's for a half hour episode 10 hours for half hour and you're working 40 hours a week yeah and sometimes it'll be you know 20 or 30 hours if I'm doing a little bit longer episode or if there's a lot more research involved or whatever and I'm always trying to plan for the next week, even though I'm most of the time I'm kind of up against the deadline. So I mean, for

my own deadline, I set my own deadlines. But it's, it's a lot of work for it. And I do every bit of it myself. I do all the recording, all the set up, all the promotion. And it's anything like that. And I've just recently got a YouTube channel, which right now I don't have very much actual video. It's like audiogram type stuff where I'm putting up the episodes I'm doing on there. And I've put a couple of interviews on there too. But it's just started out. I've had it for a few months now, and I'm still kind of learning that.

I mean, I know you've got kind of a better grasp on that. You've done a ton of videos, I believe. So right now, I'm just learning. Yeah, I was going to say, I have a video editor that works the cameras when we do in-person ones. And then this is, this is pretty, pretty easy. Yeah. You know, like, I mean, you can do some editing here, but, you know, there's not a ton that's that's necessary because it's only two feeds and they're both being

recorded but colby also does this he does more with this than um he used to like i think initially we were just putting up exactly what you see right here but now he's flipping back and forth to you and i um and of course he does the thumbnails and he does he does the bulk of you know the work on on editing and thumbnails and posting and all of that but yeah initially and yeah I mean he puts all our stuff on Spotify now yeah but yeah when you first have to start editing all of the video it's daunting to figure out how to everything you're uploading it and then putting it into whatever you know you're whatever editing software you're using you know of figuring out how to work that software, what a pain.

But once you get it down, it's, it's never really quick. Yeah, if you're doing it, like, that's a, I know the podcast in it, but I don't know the video end of it, but if you're only doing Spotify, you should put it out on all the other stuff too. Like Apple is the biggest. It distributes to all of them. Okay. So it used to be Anchor, but Anchor got bought by Spotify.

Yeah. So he still uploads it to, I think, to Anchor, but Anchors owned by Spotify. it just distributes it everywhere. Yeah. Okay. I got you. Yeah. I know a lot of people, not a lot of people.

Some podcasts I've heard they only do Spotify. I'm like, why would you even do that? You're missing out on so much more. I mean, they're only about a 20 or so percent market share as far as all podcasts and go. But I think when you do that, if you do like a Spotify, like exclusive or something, I think you might get paid a little bit more from Spotify. Yeah.

I mean, I could be wrong. I don't know. I mean, Joe Rogan, he's Spotify only and he's, I mean, I mean, of course, he's the biggest in the world. So, I mean, I think it's, what was this deal? Like $110 million or something like that? It's crazy. It was excessive.

Yeah. Well, they're making money hand over fist with that show. So, I mean, I know that advertising opportunities on some of the bigger shows, like not even his size, like a tenth of his size. They're pulling in probably like $50 to $100,000 per ad. It's crazy. That's insane. Yeah.

It's insane. I'd like to get $1,000. dollars just for if I could just get a sponsor for a thousand bucks a month yeah you know like even an extra thousand or two thousand a month would would really be like a you know unfortunately unfortunately a game changer like you know like a thousand bucks is that that's like to me a thousand extra dollars a month is a lot of money yeah same here i mean i i'm trying to you know morph this into a full-time job my podcast and right i've got kind of a number in my head where i need to do that but You know, that's just, it seems like sometimes it seems like a pipe dream.

Like I, you know, it'll take me forever to reach that point. And, you know, I'm sure that at that point, if I had a full time gig doing this, I could, you know, do the video stuff, like no problem at all. And, you know, do a bunch of other stuff and have time to really dig in deep and have a lot more research done on each episode and, you know, make longer episodes or whatever like that. But yeah, it's doing it with a 40 hour a week job. It's really difficult. yeah it is hard um okay well i feel good i'm ready to go all right dude yeah yeah and uh try to get this done like some other time and we'll come back around maybe circle back around if i've got uh you know something you know more

in your will house to try to have you on my show too and we'll chat about that you know yeah hey i have a quite yeah i mean definitely i have a question i have a question question like the crime con thing what what was why did you go to crime con what you were a speaker right yeah yeah um did you have a booth yeah i had a table there on podcast row too but i was also speaker i um this is the second one i've been to and um it's i mean it's a great opportunity overall because you get to you know meet fans of the show and you know everybody's want to take pictures and you're handing out stuff to potential new listeners and stuff like that and then for me with the you know the speaking gig it's it's like um you know i got a

on stage this time and did sort of the same thing I did last year. I essentially taught people how to really briefly take 911 calls and then I had volunteers from the audience come up and you know I had scripted actors backstage where they you know they were the callers essentially and they would call in and everybody would listen and it was a big stress for people and this this year they did a little bit better than last year last year had a actually fan of one of the fans of my show and you're up on stage you can't really see these people out in the audience because the lights are so bright.

And when I ask for volunteers, I just see hands go up and I'm like, all right, you, you, you, you and you know, this person comes up and she sits down and they start talking and she completely freezes and just starts laughing. She later on told me she was like, that's how I deal with stress. I just start laughing. I can't stop and she put her head down and she's there in front of probably a thousand people and not doing anything at all. she just completely froze and that was like the you know at the time like the most viewed video from crime con it was it was pretty funny um yeah then why raise your hand i don't know you know i mean why put yourself in that position yeah you think that's that's kind of the thing with the you know 911 dispatchers in general i think people that they really think they can do a job like that but the turnover rate is it's crazy i mean i've seen probably i don't know anywhere from 1500 to 2

thousand people come and go in the time that I've been there and most of the time it's because they think that they can do the job and they just can't it's it's either too fast-paced or they you know catch a real bad call you know they'll have to you know help somebody give CPR to like an infant or something like that and that's just too much for them and they they're like okay I'm I can't do this I quit so that's happened more a few times yeah it's it's a you know a bad thing It's like you might be the last person that you, you know, you talk to somebody before they die sometimes.

I mean, that happens or the CPR thing with kids. And that's one of the things with us. Like we, we really hate, like myself and most others, like anytime you have something involved in somebody who can't help themselves, like you get a couple drug dealers out and they, they're in the game together.

Like, I don't want anybody to commit violence against anybody, but them going in, they know there's an inherent risk in doing something like that. if it's a kid that gets hurt, doing nothing at all, you know, we want to do everything we can to help them. We're going to help everybody. But, like, those are the people we really care about, like the young kids,

the elderly, you know, stuff like that. So, yeah, it's, it'll be difficult like that sometimes. Well, you didn't help. You didn't leave it on a higher note. That only made it work. You got a point there. I didn't live on a higher note. All right.

Well, well, well, I appreciate you coming on. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching the video. Do me a favor and hit the subscribe button. Please consider joining my Patreon and leave me a comment in the comment section and share the video. So thank you and I will see you. I found an area of Nashville that I liked where the houses were going for, I mean, they were just dirt cheap. They're going for they're going for 40,000. If they were renovated, if a house was renovated, you could get it for $65,000 or $70,000.

dollars. It was just that. That was how bad this area was. So I go in the area. I end up talking one owner into owner financing me the property. Her house was so bad. It was going for like, she won like 19 grand or 15 or 15 or 16 grand, 19 grand. I forget. It was cheap. I have the the exact numbers in my book. But I end up getting her to owner finance. I gave her like four or five, like three or four thousand dollars. down and have her finance like something like $10,000 or $15,000. So then I find another guy who buys and sells houses. He flips houses. I buy convince him to owner finance three houses. You have to understand, I convince them to owner finance the house by saying, look, I'll give you 5% down or 10%

down or 20% down. But I tell them like, I don't want to buy your house. Like this one guy, his houses were renovated. They were all selling for about $65,000. One of the money. was going for $75,000. So I think it was like $2,000 or $65,000, one was $75,000. Regardless, I say, look, I'll, I need you to own a finance up via the houses. For him, I said, I need to close on all three houses on one, on one HUD statement. That way, all of the houses end up getting recorded for like $210,000 or something outrageous. Was that the one I did that with?

No, that was another transaction. Anyway, for him, I, for the woman that I got to do it, I told her I wanted to record the sale of the home at like $150,000, even though I was buying it for like $20,000. So for, let's say, $150,000. And I wanted to, I wanted a construction credit on the house for like $130,000. And I would pay the doc stamps. So it gets recorded for $150,000. I paid the extra doc stamps. So the sale ends up showing up in public records as being a sale for $150,000. And I think it was like 152 or $154. It was roughly around there. The other three properties, I get this guy, I end up, I didn't do them all in one closing statement. I had each one I added like $100 some odd thousand dollars to each sale.

So one got, one was, came in at like $190,000. One came in at like 175. And the other ones came in at like 175. Well, I did, all of these houses were within about. three or four blocks of each other. So what obviously, if you've been watching, what that ended up doing was I could now use that one property, each house, I could use the other houses as comparable sales. I immediately refinance those houses and pull out like $100,000 on this house, $120,000 on this one, $90,000 on this house. So I refinance those houses. Now I'm flushed

with cash again. I have like 30. I'm sorry, 30. I have like $300, $350,000. So now I'm doing okay. So I start buying more houses in the area because, you know, I don't have anything else to do. And it's just what I do. So, and I need to get a few million. So I need to buy 20 or 30 properties. I figure I can refinance all those properties in multiple names. At this point, I'm starting to build additional credit profiles for additional synthetic identities. But I'm also dating. I end up meeting this girl named Amanda Gardner. So I meet Amanda and Amanda and I start dating and she she thinks I'm like this just super successful real estate guy. So I ended up buying a house in that same neighborhood where I was buying all the other houses. I buy this one house and I renovate it.

I renovate it. It's super nice. I've got hardwood floors. It's really. really nice. But I'm buying other houses, too. I'm continuing to drive the value of this area up through the roof while I'm building other identities. I end up meeting Amanda. Amanda and I hit it off right away. I mean, what's not to hit out? What's not the like? I mean, she sees me. I've, I'm a decent looking guy. I've got a ton of money. She had just gotten out of the military. She had a son named Cameron. He was a cute little kid. um he you know he liked me Amanda loved me she moved in with me right away I mean right away within weeks or months

she was living in my house and keep mine too she's she's broke so I look like a savior to her and I'm buying her whatever she wants uh I got her and bought her a new car she's got new clothes granted we live in a shit in a shit hole area but we also I also own at this point eight to ten houses in the area I'm buying vacant lots within six months on on building brand new houses and and she she quit her job she's helping me now so i i remember one of the houses like really to be on this is funny one of the first houses i refinanced one of the first houses i i refinanced so going back a little bit. I remember I had bought these houses, just the first four houses I bought before I

refinanced anything, bought the houses, recorded the value high. And what was so funny about that was, um, I ended up, um, I ended up putting these signs on the houses. I put these, I made these banners that said Nashville Restoration Project. So I made these banners and I stuck them on everyone in the houses. I renovated the houses so they looked really good on the outside. Like they didn't look great inside. They look like crap. But I put these banners and the banners said, you know, Nashville Restoration Project,

Nashville Restoration Project over and over again. And then along the side of it, it would have like Nashville Restoration Project.com. And then I designed a website. I got a ton of before and after photos from properties. I took pictures of the entire neighborhood. I really dressed up the website. I mean, it looked great. I even used the same exact color scheme as the city's future comp plan.

So every city has a future comprehensive plan for what they want their city to look like in the future. And typically, they work in conjunction with different developers. So I basically said I was one of those developers. The other thing I said on the website was that this area in Nashville was called J.C. Napier. That was the subdivision. That was the name of the area. And it was right next to the J.C. Napier projects. So the problem with that is that there was obviously this is right next to the project.

So you can imagine the kind of area this is. So on my website, I specifically said that the projects were scheduled to come down. within the next two years. They were currently vacating the projects. So if you went, if you looked up Nashville Restoration Project or you went to the website, you got all this information that said this entire area was going through gentrification or being revitalized. The city was dumping a ton of money into it.

Developers were coming in there. it was work we were working in conjunction with the with the future comp plan with the city and that the projects were coming down within the next year or two 18 months to two years so and there's a ton of photos of all these houses being renovated anyway uh what i ended up doing was i refinanced one of the houses and i can and when the appraiser comes out i go to meet him at one of the houses so i go out there and i said so uh you know know, we, we, he measures the whole house. I said, well, what do you think? And he looks at the house and he was a grumpy old guy. And he kind of looked at the house and he goes, ah, you know,

it's, it's not bad. It's not too bad. And I said, what do you think it's going to come in? What do you think it's worth? He goes, what did you pay for it? I said, I paid like $180,000 for it. And he looked at the house and he goes, you know, a year ago, I'd have said this thing was worth $50,000 or $60,000. I went really. He said, yeah. But, you know, since the, he has since the, the Nashville Restoration Project has come in this area is this whole area is going up through the roof

there's comparable sales popping up all over the place there's is there's comparable sales popping up up all over the place it's he said the whole he said the whole area

is going up through the roof he goes I'd say this this thing's worth at least 180 185,000 whatever he ended up saying and I just remember thinking fuck that's awesome it was great because

he bought it He'd obviously, and I knew he went to the website because he told me, he goes, you know, the projects are coming down. And I was like, really? And he goes, yeah, he said, the projects are coming down. And then I remember, I'll never forget, he said this. He said, you know, I said, Nashville restoration project. I said, really? I said, and what is that anyway?

And he goes, yeah, it's one of these big developers. They work with the city. They come in and they revitalize an entire area. He said, you know, they did the same thing in Germantown about 10 years ago. I go, really? He's, oh, yeah, Nashville restoration project went in there. they revitalized the entire area. You can't buy anything in Germantown now that's not worth less a million dollars. He goes, you hold on to this place, you're going to easily double your money

in the next year or two. I was like, wow, thanks. Like, he totally added that whole thing. Like, that wasn't anything I said. I didn't know about Germantown. I didn't know anything even about the area. He threw that in there. So that house, that's one of the first houses I refinanced, which I always thought was hilarious because what I did was I went into that area, bought up all those houses and put signs on every single house that said Nashville restoration project. And then, of course, I kept recording the value of these houses higher and higher. So within a couple of, within a year, these things are everywhere. There's 20 properties that are worth over $200,000. I can refinance these things anytime and get $2 or $3 million easily. Hey, I hope you're enjoying the video. And if you're

interested in buying a painting from me my contact information is in the description box back to the video so i'm dating amanda everything's going good um i've built up several synthetic identities and we've been dating about a year and the relationship was going great uh we start seeing so this is what's comical one of the chicks that i had gone on a date with was a chick named uh Trina. I went on a date with Trina, and we went out one time, and I just wasn't interested. She had, like, typically I like a southern accent, but she had this really, really bad, almost like a Kentucky southern accent, which is way different than a Florida or Georgia southern accent, which to me I find sexy. Trina's was not sexy. And so we went out, we went to, I remember when we went to go see the movie, the Dukes of Hazards, which she wanted to go see. see. So we would go see it. And afterwards, like, I didn't even try and kiss or anything. I just wanted to get out of there. I wasn't interested. I got my car and left. Well, Amanda and I were dating. And at one point, Amanda says to me, you know, you know, how it is. You're sleeping with a chick and you've been sleeping with her for a while and six months or something. And she, Amanda ended up saying, have you ever thought about being with another woman? You know, me and another woman. I was like, yeah, I mean, I guess I would be willing to do that, you know, out of love.

love for you. So she says, well, I would be interested. And so Amanda, you know, Amanda starts looking. Amanda starts looking on the website. Shit, it's called Match.com. She starts looking for other women. So she comes across Trina. And I remember looking at Trina's profile and being like, holy shit, I went out with that

girl. And she's, no, you did. And I said, I swear to God, I went out with her. I said, flip through her picture. There's a picture of her leaning against the Corvette and another one where she's running a marathon. Sure enough, that was her. And I was like, I went out with her. She was what happened?

I told her, I kind of blew her off. She sent me a couple of emails or a couple of text messages afterward. And I just never responded. So Amanda hits her up, asks her if she wants to meet. They go to a lesbian bar because it turns out that Trina was gay. they go to a lesbian bar, Amanda and her end up making out in the car, she mentions me, asks if she would be interested in all of us getting together, Trina says yes, we all end up going to dinner. Trina comes back home. You can imagine what happens. So what ends up happening is we all

start to hang out together, right? Like we're going to festivals, we're going to movies, Trina's coming over every once in a while, like things are good. Life is good. I've got tons of money, we're building new houses, we're renovating houses, and everything is going good. Well, then one day Amanda ends up going online. Well, that's not how it happened. So here's what happened is at one point Amanda ends up finding, I had a corporate lawyer that had incorporated all of these several corporations because obviously I can't just dump all this money in my account. You have to kind of launder it through different accounts. So, and those accounts actually were in Amanda's name. So what ends up happening is I, the corporate lawyer contacted me one day and

asked me to send her something. I sent it to her, never heard, you know, she never got it for some reason. So she called back and she called Amanda and said, hey, I never got this document. So I told Amanda, go on my computer and look in word, here's the name of the document. Well, when Amanda did that she ended up seeing a finding a letter that I hit the letter that I had written to my parents the day I left Tampa two years earlier two and a half years earlier she finds that letter she reads the letter she looks up who Matt Cox is she sees a ton of articles she spends a whole day reading articles by the time I get home that night I walk in I'm like hey what's going on and she's like oh everything's fine everything's fine she says nothing I end up going on my computer and when I go

to do to close out all of the programs i see that word is open when i go to click on word to close it i see the last thing that had been open was the letter to my parents and obviously i hadn't opened it in a year and a half to in like two years so i was i realized holy shit she read it so then i go and i look at my history and boom there's nothing but all these articles on maccox maccox maccox maccox back. I wanted, wanted, wanted. So I go in and I said, Jesus, God Almighty, I said, did you, what did you do? And she was like, and she, she immediately realizes that I know. She breaks down. She starts crying. She says, I'm sorry. I had no idea. I didn't mean to. I said, well, I have to leave. So I can't stay here if you know who I am. If anybody knows

who I am, like, it's dangerous for me. She begs and pleads and cries and says, please don't leave, please don't leave. I'll never, I'll never tell anybody. I'll never tell anybody. And the truth is, I was like totally in love with this chick. I thought she was amazing. She was great. So I stayed. So she knows my true name is Matt Cox, not Carter, not Joseph Carter, which is bad for me. We end up seeing Trina.

Everything's going good. One day Amanda goes online. She was checking on Google just randomly she would check my name. So she checks my name and she sees something on. on Dateline. Turns out that Dateline was about to do an article on me. A dateline was about to do a news program on me. At this point, I've already been in Bloomberg magazine, has already done two articles. One, just about me. And two, the second article was when they caught Becky, because they had caught Becky at this point. Then I had been in Fortune Magazine had done an article

on me, like a 6,000 word article. Horrible. Then, so then she went online and she found this article about, not to mention all the St. Pete Times articles, all the Chicago Tribune, all the Atlanta Journal Constitution. There was just one article after another. So she finds this thing about Dateline. There's a blog about Dateline. how they're interviewing people that have that knew me or that know me and they're going to do a one hour episode on me. So I now know I'm going to be on Dateline. That's not good. Like local newspapers aren't a big deal. Even a national magazine or two. Like the kind of people that I hang. First of all, I don't have a big circle of friends. The kind of people that know me or that I

associate with aren't reading Fortune magazine. These are contractors. Like I'm not concerned about them stumbling across my photo in Fortune or Bloomberg. But this is Dateline. It's a tabloid. And your average blue-collar worker watches Dateline. Dateline, I don't even know if it's still out. So I realize I'm going to be in living rooms everywhere. And somebody's going to recognize me.

I'm somebody working at Starbucks or working at Home Depot is going to say, holy shit that guy comes in here all the time they're going to catch me like it's a problem so Amanda tells me about it and I go Jesus oh my god this is this is really bad I can't stay in the United States anymore so she and I decide we've got a month or two about two months a couple months before it comes out we decide we're going to refinance all the houses pull out a few million dollars and leave the United States at this point we started researching where to go We figure we're going to go to Australia. And the nice thing about Australia was Australia would allow you to go to Australia.

If you had a, okay, if you shut up in Australia with like $200,000 and a business plan to open a business in Australia, you could go there and you could be a permanent resident alien. They would give you a driver's license. They'd allow you to buy a property. they would allow you to stay in their country and open a business. You could not go to Australia and get a job, but you could go there and open a business and hire Aussies. So I can't go there and become a citizen, because if you were to go and become a citizen,

they wanted you to do a background check. But I could go there and become a with U.S. documents. If I showed up with my U.S. passport, I could become a permanent resident alien. And keep in mind, I'm living as a homeless person. I can easily become a permanent resident alien in Australia, and he'll never be notified. And then if he dies someday, they're not going to turn around to notify Australia that I died.

So we decide we're going to Australia. A man has researched the whole thing. I start refinancing properties. I start pulling out cash. As we're pulling out cash, we start asking people like my general contractor. His name was Tracy. I ask him, hey, can, would you do me a favor? And could you cash some checks for me?

And he's like, yeah, sure. So I have him cash a check for like $8,000, then another check for $6,000, another check for $9,000. Then I have another guy that we worked with cash a check for $4,000, $3,000, $9,000. And then I have, so Amanda ends up giving Trina a check, of several checks and asks her to, asks her to cash those checks. I remember Amanda and I had gone, we had a couple of friends, one was Brittany, another chick that I had dated, and her new boyfriend, which they just gotten married, his name, his name was Brian. So Brian and Brittany, we went with them on their honeymoon to Venice, to Italy. We went there for like 10 days. We did a 10 day trip.

So we were gone for two, three weeks. We left and we went to Croatia. We went to Greece. Like we hung out. We went on this cruise, European cruise. And I remember we'd come back. And as soon as we came back, we hadn't been home more than a few weeks when we started asking everybody to cash checks to start pulling out money. So we're pulling out money.

and we had pulled out a few hundred thousand dollars one day i'm at home and suddenly i hear this bam somebody had kicked in the front door and it was like oh my god and i had i had cameras all over my house i had cameras in the living room dining room outside the house But I would go to walk out to see what happened because I remember it was so loud. I remember thinking maybe the TV had fallen, like we had a big flat screen TV. And I thought maybe Cameron had pulled to knock the TV or something. I don't know. But as soon as I started walking out of the bedroom, this fucking guy, these two black guys had kicked in the front door, comes running in.

And he sticks a gun in my face. And he goes, get on the ground. Get on the ground. So I go, oh, Jesus. So I get on the ground. They lead Amanda in the room. She gets on the ground. Cameron gets on the ground.

They throw a blanket over us. They robbed the whole house. They grabbed some. I mean, literally, I'm like, bro, what do you want? You know, they're like, shut up. Shut up. I'm like, what do you want? And they said, you know, where's the money?

Where's the money? I said, bro, there's money here. Like I told them where there's some money here, there's some money here. We had some money in the refrigerator or in the freezer. I didn't say that. I told them to give the money out of that we had a gun safe, which was Amanda's gun. And they grabbed the gun safe. They grabbed our Rolexes.

They grabbed a couple of Cartier watches and stuff and some jewelry. And then they grabbed, oh, they grabbed the keys to, I think, a mandish truck. And they jumped in her truck and took off. Hey, sorry for interrupting the video, but I want to let you guys know that if you join my Patreon at the top tier every single month, you get a different painting. And the contact information for my Patreon page is in the description. Back to the video. No, do they take my truck? I don't know.

They stole one of our vehicles. So we immediately sit up and as soon as they're gone, we call the police. Police show up and the guy, the cops, like, I'm like, hey, I got a video of it, but they had ski masks on. So the cop comes and he's, I remember he told me, look, you need to find another place to live. You can't, you guys can't stay here. Like, you can't stay in this neighborhood. You know, I said, I told him my own like 20 houses in the neighborhood. I had another five or six lots.

We're building new houses. don't care. He's what these guys didn't steal this time, they'll just come back and steal. So I said, okay, so we ended up going to a hotel. Well, I didn't, they had taken my, my wallet. So I didn't have my driver's license or my, they took my, a bunch of stuff. I didn't have anything in my name. So they took all my stuff. All I had was a passport in the name Walter Holcomb. So they took my Joseph Carter stuff. So I got a passport as Walter Holcomb and a driver's license in Walter Holcomb's name. So when we go and we check in to a hotel, we were there maybe a day or two.

We didn't go back to the house. We were just going to buy a new house and stay in the hotel. It was a really nice hotel. So we stay in the hotel. And while that's happening, Trina is calling because they took our cell phones. So we get our new cell phones back. And I remember Trina, as soon as I got it back in mine was back on, like we got a phone call. I got a phone call from Trina and she was like, oh my God, where have you guys been?

What are you doing? What's going on? Where's Amanda? What's happening? I said, Trina, calm down. I said, look, we had a home invasion and we're staying in a hotel. And I said, she goes, what hotel? And I went, I remember thinking, what?

Like, she didn't say like, are you okay? How's it? Oh, my God, that's horrible. She goes, what hotel are you at? And I was like, I'm, I'm at the, whatever hotel it was. I just told her the name of the hotel. I forget, like the, fuck, I don't remember what it was, the Westing or something. So I tell her, I was this hotel and she goes, okay, well, tell Amanda to call me because Amanda was in the shower.

I go, okay, no problem. So I hang up the phone. What had happened was a couple days earlier, Trina had called the Secret Service and turned us in. and the Secret Service had gone to my old house where we weren't staying and had staked out the house for the like the day at the day we left that night the next day they showed up and started staking out the house so they've been staking it out for two days and we weren't there so she was calling to try and find out where we were so she called the Secret Service back she said this is where they are they sent Secret Service sent a team sent themselves and the marshals went to the hotel where we were And they asked, is Joseph Carter staying here? And they said, no, because I wasn't. I was staying there as Walter Holcomb. So then Trina calls back and says, I called the hotel.

You're not there. And I was like, it was weird. I was like, what? And at that point, I wasn't at the hotel. I was at our office. We had rented like a 10,000 square foot warehouse. And I said, look, I'm not there. She says, are you there now?

I said, no, I'm at the warehouse. Amanda was dropping off her son and she goes, well, okay, so you're there now. Is Amanda with you? And I went, no, Amanda's dropping off Cameron. And she goes, okay, I got to go. And she hangs up the phone. Like a couple minutes later, Amanda calls me. And I go, hey, what's up? She goes, Trina just called me. And I go, okay, well, what's going on? She goes, I don't know, Matt. I'm worried. I said, Carter. She goes, I don't know, Carter. I'm worried. I said, why? And she goes, I'm worried because she is, She said some stuff, like she told me how much she loves me and cares about me. And she goes, it was just weird. And I go, she was, I'm concerned. I go, what are you concerned about? I go, if she doesn't know anything, what are you worried about? And she goes, oh, God, Matt, I'm so sorry.

And by this point, I'm concerned because by this point, I got a phone call from the local police. And the local police asked me if I could meet them, if I could meet them at the house. so I'm now driving to the house because they wanted me to meet them at the house because they said they wanted the video of the home invasion so I'm driving to the house and when Amanda called and she's

and I'm getting in the car and driving and I'm like yeah well what are you worried about and she's oh my God man I'm so sorry I'm worried I'm worried I go what do you worried about so at that point I just pulled up to the house because our place was only a couple blocks away our office so I pull up to the house and I'm like well if you're not worried

I mean, if you're worried, you must be worried about something. What are you worried about? If she doesn't know anything, there's no reason to be worried. And she's like, you know, she didn't want to tell me what had happened. But she goes, I think I might have fucked up. And I go, how did you fuck up? What are you trying to say? Like, what is going on?

But at this point, I'm getting out of my car, walking to the front to my house. And a black SUV pulls up, another SUV pulls up, another car pulls up, another one pulls up and they all lock up their brakes and I'm standing there in the middle of the street holding my cell phone when the Secret Service jumps out of their vehicles screaming, get on the ground, get on the ground, get on the ground. And obviously at that point I realized what the issue is. Amanda, I later found out, Amanda had told Trina who I was. And Trina had called the secret service and turned me in. And when Trina called Amanda, she was basically just making sure that she wasn't with me, that she wanted her to know how much she loved her and

cared about her and was trying to kind of distance herself from the situation. And I, uh, I end up getting arrested. So a secret service runs up to me and I remember, you know, I remember, I remember at first I thought I was getting robbed again until I saw the secret they have these white they're all in black but they have these white things that say secret service on them there a secret service was there and uh they throw me on the ground they're like get on the ground get on the ground I was just like numbed I get on the ground they handcuffed me pulled me off pulled me up dust me off and I remember they're holding me and I'm just standing there they're like Matt Cox are you Matt Cox Mr. Cox and I'm just staring at him and I'm not saying anything

and the guy looks at, he has a clipboard with my wanted poster on it, and he holds it up, and he's looking, and another officer comes up, and I remember he looked at me, and he goes, is it him? Is it him? He goes, no, I don't think it. He's, oh, shit, I don't think it's him, bro. And he looks at him, no, it's him, it's him. He goes, look at his eyes, it's him. And he looks at me and he goes, hey, Mr. Cox, he says, we've been looking for you. And he goes, you are Mr. Cox, you are Matthew Cox, right? And I went, yeah, yeah, I'm Matt Cox. I mean, at that point, I, you know, I'm done, right? that officer told me, that agent told me when they had arrested, when they arrested Becky, Rebecca Halk, when they arrested her in Houston six months earlier, they said she didn't admit who she was until they put her hand on the scanner.

They said she complained the whole 30 minute drive back to, they arrested her, by the way, they arrested her. at school they arrested her and they brought her all the way back to the Secret Services office and she's the whole time she was there being driven there she goes you guys fucked up you're going to lose your job I'm going to sue you've embarrassed me she said they said he goes she didn't break until we put her hand on the scanner and she goes okay I'm Rebecca Howlick

so I broke immediately yeah you got I said I know done. So they bring me back. They handcuffed me to a table. I wait. They fly the Secret Service agent from Atlanta and she flies in. I'm there for hours. And they come in and they read me, you know, of course they read you your rights. They tell you what you're charged with. And they say, we're going to bring you back to Atlanta. And they brought me back to Atlanta. And I went all the way back to Atlanta and that was an ordeal. And what's funny is when they called Amanda, this was weird. Like Amanda, when she found out that they had caught me, she immediately drove to the bank, went to our safety deposit box. First of all, there was cash in the box. So she

doesn't pull out, she pulls out the cash, but she pulls out the passports. She keeps all the cash in the ice box and she keeps the cash in the in the um safety deposit box she grabs all the fake passports that i had and driver's licenses and she brings those to the secret services office and she gives them to them immediately and says i just found these i don't know anything i was completely duped and don't have a clue about what who this person is i thought his name was joseph carter and she gives them all my driver's license and IDs and everything. She later tells them that she did know who I was,

but she didn't think it was a big deal. Like she waits until she gets a lawyer. When she gets a lawyer, she goes in and she cooperated. And she tells them who I was and what I was doing, but she had nothing to do with it. She didn't really know what was going on and it was all me. And, you know, which is fine because it was pretty much all me. Anyway, yeah, I go back to, I go back to Atlanta.

and I get a lawyer and I fly on Conair, which is nothing like Conair in the movie. And it takes about a month, month and a half to get me all the way back to Atlanta because they bring you from one prison. They bring you one county jail where, or U.S. Marshall's Holdover, where they hold you for two weeks, and they hold you here for a week, then they hold you here for two weeks, and they hold you here for five days. So you keep getting bused from one place to another until you're eventually flown back to Atlanta. I was slowing back to Atlanta and I was held in the, I was held in Atlanta in two different jails. And I get my attorney. And I remember when I got my attorney, she told me I was looking at a bunch of time. She didn't really know how much time, but she said you're looking at like 15, 20 years.

She didn't really know. She said that I was responsible for like $25 or $26 million in loss. The Secret Service was saying something like $40 million, $40 or $50 million in, in a fraud at my mortgage company and the numbers were all over the place and uh yeah so i end up taking a plea i end up pleying to 26 years and i end up getting up sentenced to years in prison and yeah that uh i get a PSI for 26 actually my my pre-sentence report said 34 years or 30 yeah 32 year 32 years of life is what my pre-sentence report said when it eventually came out i was interviewed by the secret service and the FBI uh I mean I was trying to

help myself, I cooperated fully, told them everything I could think of, that by this point, they'd already indicted me in Atlanta, in Tampa, and in Nashville.