Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - American Pain: Inside America’s Most Notorious “Pill Mill”

Episode Date: September 4, 2026

This is the jaw-dropping true story of how a pain clinic empire spiraled out of control — started by someone with no medical background, fronted by a dog as "medical director," and driven by staggering amounts of cash and chaos. From childhood trauma to repeated arrests, shady operations, and a nationwide pill pipeline, this is an inside look at America’s pill mill crisis — and how it all came crashing down.⁣ ⁣ Derik's links⁣ https://helphopelive.org/campaign/25043/⁣ ⁣ ⁣ Get 50% sitewide for a limited time. Just visit https://GhostBed.com/cox and use code COX at checkout.⁣ ⁣ ⁣ ⁣ Do you want to be a guest? Fill out the form https://forms.gle/5H7FnhvMHKtUnq7k7⁣ ⁣ Send me an email here: [e-mail]⁣ ⁣ Do you extra clips and behind the scenes content?⁣ Subscribe to my Patreon: https://patreon.com/InsideTrueCrime ⁣ ⁣ ⁣ Follow me on all socials!⁣ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/insidetruecrime/⁣ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matthewcoxtruecrime⁣ ⁣ ⁣ Do you want a custom painting done by me? Check out my Etsy Store: https://www.etsy.com/shop/coxpopart⁣ ⁣ Listen to my True Crime Podcasts anywhere: https://anchor.fm/mattcox ⁣ ⁣ Check out my true crime books! ⁣ Shark in the Housing Pool: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0851KBYCF⁣ Bent: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BV4GC7TM⁣ It's Insanity: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08KFYXKK8⁣ Devil Exposed: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TH1WT5G⁣ Devil Exposed (The Abridgment): https://www.amazon.com/dp/1070682438⁣ The Program: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0858W4G3K⁣ Bailout: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/bailout-matthew-cox/1142275402⁣ Dude, Where's My Hand-Grenade?: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BXNFHBDF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1678623676&sr=1-1⁣ ⁣ Checkout my disturbingly twisted satiric novel!⁣ Stranger Danger: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BSWQP3WX⁣ ⁣ If you would like to support me directly, I accept donations here:⁣ Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/MattCox69⁣ Cashapp: $coxcon69 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris started a pain clinic. He is not a doctor. His girlfriend's dog was the medical director. We had 25 million cash. We're hiring new doctors and having food fights and throwing Chinese stars at each other. What could go wrong? I get a call. He was like, it's over, man. The FBI is everywhere, dude. When I was for, my mother didn't come home one night. At 1 o'clock in the morning, my father and I went looking for her because she was a bartender. the bar was closed. There was two ways to get there. It was like a circle. So he loaded me up in a truck and we went left to complete the circle, hit the bar, didn't see her car there on the other part of the circle on the way back to the house, saw her car in a driveway. We parked down the road,

walked up, looked into the window of the living room, and she was, uh, having sex with a guy in the living room. My father was carrying me. Walked around the side door of the house, just a screen door, opened a screen door, walked inside in the living room. My mother looked up and said, oh, shit. And my father said, oh, shit is right. And he put me down.

And my mother jumped up and ran into the kitchen. and my father turned towards her and she had come with a, or no, before that, the guy jumped up saying, what are you doing in my house? And my father hit him and he went down and then he turned his attention to my mother who came out of the kitchen with a knife.

And earlier in the day, me and my father were fishing. So he had a knife as well in his pocket right here. he pulled that knife out and they were kind of like a standoff like this and my dog was there with my mother so I was with the dog um the guy got up off the floor and lunged at my father and he turned around had the knife stabbed him and the guy ran out of the house my father chased him down I didn't see what happened out there but the guy ended up dead with 57 stab wounds I believe and my mother ran out there. I heard them screaming. And then my mother came running back into the house, covered in blood. And I don't really have any memory of exactly what happened. I just kind of

remember standing over my mother and she wouldn't wake up. And then my dad come running. I don't know he went somewhere else in the house and then he came running out and grabbed me we ran out of the house ran down the street got into his truck went to my grandma's house and then i remember like them trying to put me to bed and be like fighting with them but i was covered in blood so they're trying to clean me up put me in bed and whatnot and then that's pretty much all i remember so my father had murdered my mother and her lover and so that from that point the next morning he went to jail he went and turned himself in and i went and lived with my aunt and uncle my father's brother his wife um and there are two kids Todd and Kim who are my brother and sister now and say my cousin

So my father went to trial. I started school. It lasted. There was two trials. The first, you know, it took a year for the first trial before that one started. And it was a hung jury, right? So they had to try them again. So now another, it was another.

It was like a crime of passion, right? Yeah. So it was a hung jury, the first trial. And then it was another year before the next trial. So now I'm six, now, I was five, six. Now I'm in second grade, still living with my aunt and uncle. And then the next trial came along, and, you know, it was a very long trial, and he was found not guilty by means of temporary insanity. And, but, you know, he's just been in jail for all this time.

So I stayed with my aunt and uncle again. While he was on his second trial, he met a woman, a beauty court. Miss New York State and they started a relationship and moved in together eventually, you know, within not a very long time. He moved to the city to Staten Island with her and I, you know, I stayed with my aunt uncle and then it just by the time he was ready to have you kind of have a life and us be back together. I mean, I had already been, I was in fifth grade by now. So I just stayed with my aunt and uncle the whole time. And then him and his, uh, he married, they got married. My father and

a seven mother, they got married. They had three more children. Um, I graduated high school, all that kind of stuff. Uh, I had three brothers. I graduated high school. I moved to Florida. Um, the first, I guess it was the second. year I was in Florida. So it was 1998. My father and stepmother started having problems. The divorce was imminent. She served him divorce papers. And then he shot her, murdered her, and then off himself. So yeah, that was about it. So then now I was, you know, I was already in Florida for about two years. I was established. What were you doing then? I was, I worked for a same. company I work for right now as a at that time I was a warehouse manager for a large

plumbing company in West Palm Beach like when did you meet the the George brothers all right so you know I worked at that plumbing company until 2001 and I left and went in with another guy that was building houses in Loxahatchie and we kind of like became like kind of like a partnership building houses out there and um jeff uh had a company called shutter king so he did um hurricane shutters right and he was cheap he didn't even i don't think he cared about the business as all for i used them for two or three years and he never even sent me a bill you know what he like i don't know what why he was even doing it maybe to like appease his dad that he was doing something, but he didn't, it was just a nightmare.

Like, he would come and drill for the shutters and you just had to stack the shutters in the garage for your inspection, maybe put like one shutter up on a window for to get your final inspection on the house. And, I mean, he would do exactly that. And there would be stacks of shutters in the garage that didn't even match the house. So a hurricane would come and the people that. bought a house from us would go to put a put their shutters up and none of them would even match they'd have either too many or not enough nothing or but uh we became friends and started hanging

out all the time and we like to work out and um i met chris through jeff and uh me and him became friends and then eventually i think about 2005 i actually went to work for their father and the only area that was really still doing good was the Northport area over here, which Chris was running. So they asked me to come over here. So I moved over here. And then that's when me and Chris really became friends. So when did you get the first DUI? I've never had a DUI.

No. Are you serious? Yeah. I've never had a DUI. What was it? It wasn't a DUI. So what was it? My driver's license got so.

screwed up. I got either somebody that was driving one of my trucks, right, one of my company trucks, or me got a seatbelt ticket that I don't remember or somebody else got it, right? So like 2000 and, I don't know, like three or, no, it's like 2004. I get pulled over in Port St. Lucy, building houses up there. I live in West. West Palm, I'm in Port St. Lucy, I get pulled over and they're like, dude, you haven't had a driver's license in like three years. Your license is suspended. We got to take you to jail because normally it would just be a ticket. But because you live in Palm Beach County and our county lines don't touch, I can't just give you a ticket. I have to take you to jail and tow your car. Right? Like, okay, whatever.

Now, in West. Did you have any idea that you, it was suspended? I don't think I thought the first one. I don't think that I did. Okay. Right. So they told my car. They take me to Rock Road, the jail in St. Lucy County. And, I mean, I bail out within a couple hours. Right.

I bail out within a couple hours and go get my car back. Drive, of course. I, you know, have somebody bring me to the tow yard. I get it. I drive home. Go to work the next day. Drive up there, like, whatever. Because in Palm Beach County, that has.

happens, right? Your license is suspended. They give you a court date, right? A ticket and a court date. And as long as you show up to that court date with your driver's license back, like it's usually over, I forgot to pay a ticket. Right? Something like that. So they just do that

and then you show up to the court, say, look, I got my driver's license back. I'm sorry, I just forgot about paying that ticket and they throw the ticket out. Right. Right. But I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to drive in between that time. Right. I mean, you're supposed to go get it taken care of right away. But I didn't, that happened to me before, you know,

but I was like, whatever, I'll deal with it next week, went right to work the next day. On my way home from work, I get a call that somebody's robbing one of the houses, right? So I'm getting on a turnpike to come home. I do a U-turn, call 911 and start going to the house. It's a house under construction or like stealing the windows or something, right? Call the police to tell them to meet me there, and I'm speeding there. I get pulled over again. I mean, it's literally, it's less than 24 hours, like 18 hours later. I tell the cop what's going on.

He doesn't want to hear it. It takes me right back to jail. Toes my car again. Takes me right back. A couple hours later, I get out. I leave my car in the tow yard up there. The next morning, I get up. I go to the St. Lucie County Courthouse, pay the $78 ticket.

So now I've been arrested twice. bonded out twice, all over this ticket that I don't even know if it was me who got it, right? Still not, I pay the ticket, but now they give me a slip that I got to go to the DMV, right? So I got to work. And I'm like, dude, I'm not going to. I'll just finish out the day and I'll hit the DMV on the way tomorrow, right? Pull out of the office, the majestic office. And I see a cop car behind me.

And I still have the markings from when they towed the car. You know, they write on it with the wax fucking thing. And I'm like, you got to be shitting me. I pull out of the parking lot, light them up. Boom. Take me to jail again three times. And now it's, it hasn't been a full 72 hours. You know what I mean?

It's like 18 hours, 18 hours, 18 hours, right? Back to jail again. This time they like, like, oh, your bond. the bond is like $25. You know what I mean? Something like that. This time it's like four grand to get out because I'm already out on bond. And I've been arrested.

Now it's twice I've been arrested within. I'm like, you got to be kidding me. So it just caused such a, they ended up suspended my driver. They put me on felony probation, right, because it was three times, put me on felony probation, suspended my driver's license for five years, two years of, felony probation all this shit so I had a driver at that point you know what I mean I'm doing my felony probation I have a driver that's right around the time that they I moved over to Northport with Chris and I built the houses and you know by that time

Majestic was paying for somebody to drive me around but they were like listen when you go over there we're not going to pay nobody to drive you around and I'm like have fuck it you know what I mean I just I'll just obey the laws you know what I mean hopefully not get pulled over shit man it wasn't now I'm on felony probation three times now driving on suspended it wasn't two months before I get pulled over at work right arrest me send me to uh what's the jail in Sarasota so whatever county Sarasota Sarasota County Jail right right send me there now my bond's like $4,000 again, something like that.

Chris has to bail me out. They told my car, get out, right? Now I'm like, all right. Now I'm paying somebody to drive me around, right? A weekend come. Something happens. We're doing a closing at Majestic.

And so, yeah, that's the, so now we're on five. We're doing a closing at Majestic. And the guy who's, I'm paying, him $8 an hour to drive me around every day, doesn't show up. I have a final walkthrough with a homeowner before the closing. It doesn't show up.

I can't get a whole amount of phone. Fuck it. Go start my car up. I back out of my driveway and the road is blocked on both sides, cop cars or somebody is running from the police or something like that. And I'm like, shit. So I back out. I see a cop car here at the end of the block,

a cop car here at the end of the block. I go, fuck, pull back in the driveway. Before I even got the garage door back open, one of those cops pulled in, right? Boom. Go to jail again, driving on a suspended license, on felony probation. I'm like, you got to be kidding me.

So I bond out. I tell the people, I bond out, I tell the probation people, listen, this is what, what happened? They're like, what's wrong with you? Are you an idiot? And I'm like, I was like, listen, we got to violate you. So you're going to have to come back here and go to jail.

And I'm like, man, can't you just let me deal with this? And they're like, no, there's no, like, it's going to take two weeks, right? I'm like, fuck. So I lived over on Northport, but all my family and friends and everybody were still in the West Palm Beach area. So this happens on like a Thursday. So Saturday, I'm like bored. It's right before Thanksgiving.

on board. Chris isn't around, nothing like that. So I was like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm going to jail anyway. I jump with my car to drive across the state, right? 9 o'clock at night, get pulled over and bell glade right to jail again. So now it's five. Five of them while on felony probation, the whole nine,

end up going to jail. I worked it out. I don't know, I did like three or four months or something like that. Are you speeding? How are you getting pulled over this much? I don't know. Like they run, the cops have those tag readers, right? So you go past the cop and it automatically runs your tag.

So I guess I would go past them, run their tag and be like, oh, this guy's driving on, I spend a license, it's an easy one. You know what I mean? Pull me over. I mean, it was like, I don't know, a year period. where, I mean, I must have got arrested 12 times for driving on a suspended license and all this stupid shit.

So it ended up bad. I didn't have it. And the last time, when I went to Bell Glade, that was the last time, they took my car. It was used in committing of a felony. They actually took my car. It was a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee. They took it.

I couldn't get it back. I never got it back. So that's like a brand new car back thing. Yeah, this was, this was 2007. Was there a lien on it? I think I owed like $3,000 or something like that on it. They took it. They took the goddamn, I couldn't get it back.

And, you know, after it was all said and done, I did a few months in jail. And then I got out on, again, felony probation, like two years of felony probation. What is, what is Jeff? I mean, I'm assuming these are the guys you're calling to get you out of jail, right? No, no, they never got me out of jail. You know what? The one time in Sarasota, one time in Sarasota, Chris got me out. And what did they say?

Are they like laughing about it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like. What do you do? Yeah. Like the first three of them, I was working directly for their dad. Right. Right.

In the West Palm Beach area, you know, and I'm getting arrested every day at work. Three days in a row, I'm getting arrested. I'm getting right. And everybody's like, you've got to be doing something else. Yeah. There's got to be something. What do you do? You know what I mean?

Let's get this straightened out. You know what I mean? And I'm like, this is all I'm doing. You know what I mean? And like every time it would add a year or a couple years to my suspension on my driver's license. And that's what I basically drive for a living. I drive around to all the houses that we're building, you know, schedule everything.

I got to check the progress, check on all the guys, make sure another is getting And still, that's what I do. So I can't drive. Right. At one point, I remember John, Chris, and Jeff's dad was like, let's get, let's get you one of those under 40 horsepower scooters. Scooters. Yeah.

I'm like, dude. I'm not, I'm not doing it. So the last time after the Bell Glade thing, they fired me, Majestic fired me, right? So I didn't even have a car, right? I had, I don't know, maybe 10 grand to my name. and I moved in with a friend of mine in West Palm Beach. I didn't have a job. There was no job options because I couldn't drive.

You know, I mean, you got to drive to pretty much everything, you know. And here I was. I've been doing construction my entire life. You know, I'm a supervisor for multi-million dollar companies. I got all, I know how to do all that, you know, all the experience, all this, but I can't drive. So nobody can hire me, you know? So I. I just like sat around my buddy's house like waiting on my money to run out basically and in that time actually when I was in jail doing those you know two three months whatever it was um was when Chris and Jeff opened or put the plan together to open the first pain clinic right so um when I got out I didn't even hear from either one of them they were scheming and

getting leases and stuff like that. So, you know, I, like, basically, for probably a good month, I just sat at my buddy's house. You know, all my stuff was in storage or at this person's house. I didn't have anything. I was asleep, you know, staying in my buddy's spare bedroom and a little apartment in the middle of West Palm Beach, no car, no nothing. He'd go to work. I'd be fucking sitting there, you know, watching fucking movies all day.

But then eventually Chris called. I was like, all right, this is what I'm going to do. I can't hire you or anything, but I got to build the office. So will you come, I'll pay you. You know, I'll pick you up in the morning. It's offices in Fort Lauderdale. I'll pick you up in a morning. I got to have it built in a week or whatever it was.

And I'll pick you up, bring you home. Whatever, I was like, that sounds good. So, you know, I was down there every day. It took us about two weeks. New flooring. knew he had somebody else frame and drywall it but you know i pretty much did everything else during the time and i remember at the uh you know when it was almost done the sign was up outside that said pain clinic big giant sign that said pain click white sign with red letters probably

10 foot by 10 foot pain clinic in a middle of wilton manors off of uh Oakland park in a dilapidated building the roof caving in just the inside when we were done looked pretty nice you know well i mean outside you everybody seen the pictures of it you know from the newspaper and and all that kind of stuff but towards the end of you know getting done i remember laying the carpet and um i was laying the carpet so i had the glue all over me and i was also cutting the bottom of the doors off so i had to glue and the sawdust stuck to me that's what i remember about this situation. It was like 8.30 at night.

And, uh, I mean, the place still, all the saw horses and tools and everything were opening. People were coming in opening a door. I'm like, hey,

is a doctor here? This is a doctor here with like, you know, Appalachian accent, you know. And, uh, like,

what are you talking about? This is a doctor. What doctor? You know what I mean? I knew what they were talking about, but I'm like, this is kind of, it's pretty insane that it's 8.30, 9 o'clock at night.

They walk into a construction site. Because they, yeah, because they see a sign. And I'm like, wow, that's, that's really something. So, you know, I finished that up. And I went, you know, he was opening an office. He told me that he didn't have any, you know, he didn't even know if it was going to work. So there was not, what was I going to do?

Be a receptionist. You know what I mean? Am I going to answer the phones or whatever? So I went back and I, you know, to my buddy's apartment. And I happened to get a job repairing all the sliding glass doors on a building on Palm Beach, huge condo building. So I did that. It took like two weeks. And then I had nothing again.

I was just sitting there. And then Chris called and he was like, listen, man, I need you to, I'll pick you up tomorrow. It was like a Tuesday. I'll pick you up tomorrow. I just need you to hang out at the office because I can't be here. It's just Diana and the doctor. And, you know, we got pills and there's a little bit of money. It's not a great neighborhood.

Just stay here. You don't have to do anything. Just stay here. I'll pay a couple hundred bucks. I got to go meet with a bank or something like that. And I'm like, all, whatever. So I have a quick question real quick. It's Chris, right?

Yeah. Chris started a pain clinic. He is not a doctor. He's not a doctor. So, so, because you would explain this to me before, but I was all, every time I've explained this to somebody, they're just always like, just as fucking shocked as I am. Yeah. So anybody can go open, go lease of a space and get licensed to open up a clinic or a hospital even,

and they don't have to have any experience. They just have to hire. money you have to have like you can open it up right you can't do business until that person's the person that you hires medical licenses hung up on the wall or and register it's like kind of like a contractor um so i can just go i don't have a plumbing license right right but i can go open up a corporation Nolan plumbing right and then get somebody who has a license to qualify it right right So it's basically the same thing. So Chris has no experience.

It builds out the rents of space. Has you build out the entire space, hires a doctor, the doctor starts seeing patients. He has no qualifications. Just puts up a sign. And, but how it came about was,

you know, we used to go to when we were younger, we'd go to these, the HRT clinics, the hormone replacement therapy things. You know what I mean? There's a, there are,

there are, I don't know, maybe four or five of them in the South Florida area over there. And we'd go to all of them. And after Jeff's Hurricane Shutter business closure, you know what I mean? That he never, I still remember it when his dad calling me, like, okay, we shut down Shutter King and he's been doing work for you for three years and you've never sent us any money. And I'm like, his dad was going over the books close. closing it down. And I'm like, he's never sent me a bill.

Right. One time. What am I supposed to do? You know what I mean? He's never sent me a freaking bill. But anyway, so his idea, Jeff's idea after that hurricane shutter thing was to open up his own HRT and what he did. Him and Chris put their money together, whatever.

Chris stayed as a silent partner on the, on the West Coast. and Jeff ran that company. And it did pretty good. At one point, it was like the biggest internet steroid selling thing. So that's where the whole medical thing came from. That's where they got the idea. He had experience. Yeah, and he met a doctor that was signing scripts for steroids.

Right. Right. And the doctor was like, hey, man, why don't you do this? You know what I mean? And Chris and Jeff don't drink, don't do drugs. Right. very rarely do you see them have a cocktail right no drugs ever you know um so it's just money to them you know what i mean they don't to them it doesn't click the addiction you know what i mean that

they have never experienced it or been around it so that kind of thing just does not click with them it's just money to them right you know what i mean so they just know you can make money doing this This is what I told you. We pay the doctor this much. They pay us this much. We have to do the paperwork. We make this much money. And our hands are clean of it.

Yeah, yeah. Right. So, and me and Chris had that conversation. You know what I mean? When I was building out the office and stuff, I'm like, dude, you're not a doctor. What? I don't understand. But then at the same time, I was like, well, they did it with the HRT clinic.

You know what I mean? I'm like, well, so what could go wrong? You know what I mean? I'm like, okay, it makes sense. And Chris's actual explanation to me was, listen, how many doctors own Wellington Regional Hospital? No doctors. It's a corporation that owns it. And the doctors answer to them.

There's a board that makes medical decisions. And he's like, well, I'll hire a medical director. Right. You'll be the medical director. And actually, instead of me being a medical director, it was his girlfriend's dog, Moe, was the medical director. I'm like, you're going to hire me? Yeah, I got one. Mo would come in.

It was a little wiener dog. He would come in every day with Chris and his girlfriend sit there and shit on his, what are those calls, the poo-po pads. You know what I'm talking about for the dogs? Stink up to place, dog running around. You know, everything with us, you know, from knowing me for a while. It's kind of a big joke. Everything is a joke.

You know what I mean? Wise ass about everything. thing, you know what I mean? So it's like, whatever, roll of the punches kind of thing. You know, and actually when it opened and I wasn't there, I wasn't working there, it was only maybe two weeks, maybe. It might have only been a week. You know what I mean? He didn't even have the licensing or anything in order. He just opened this place and the doctor, Dr. Oversreet brought his pills from another place. So he had pill, Dr. Oversry was working at another pain clinic, right? And back then when you could sell pills at a pain clinic,

um, that it's, they're the doctor's pills. Right. Okay. So you just got to have a little room. There's like a, if you go on a DEA website, it tells you what is required for your pharmacy. It has to be a room by foot by four foot. There has to be a lock safe with a medication that has to be labeled per doctor, right? Right. It didn't even say that. I'll get to that in a minute. It didn't even say that. It just said it had to be a room four foot by five foot with a safe and one deadbolt. So you have to open up the door and then inside the medication had to be stored in a safe.

Didn't say anything else. Didn't say anything about who was the one, like a pharmacy tech wasn't required like it doesn't say anything like that it basically said it's got you got to have a safe in your closet yeah is basically what it said right and there's no it in the safe doesn't have to be really safe it's exactly it could be a lock door that's my that's my safe over there it's this closet with a special with a lock that's the same that's it so at this point when i came on Chris had leased the building built it out made an arrangement with the doctor filed a um for a a corporation, right, probably didn't even have the corporate papers back yet. Right.

Right. No licensing, nothing. The doctor went to his other pain clinic and brought all his medication, including ED medication, antibiotics, just brought everything and put it in that safe. Right. Right. Right. So we had limited pills, right?

And then at that time, they were working on to where Chris could, order the medication for him. This is Dr. Oversreet. Working on all that. I got literally my first day. Well, no, let's go back a little bit. So the first day when he told me, I just needed you to come

sit here. That's exactly what I did. I came and I sat there all day. Right? Just sat there. Diana was making, there was maybe 10, 12 people came in and out the door. Right? It was more making folders setting up file cabinets and stuff,

but I really didn't do anything. Made some photocopies, sat there all day. There's a couple issues with irate patients or people doing shooting up at the clinic or something like that that I would shoe the people off. You know what I mean? We didn't know.

I had no idea what I was getting myself into. You know what I mean? These aren't normal. Like people that, you know, and people that have done or know this industry, then they understand. But what the most people that are watching don't understand is that these aren't normal patients.

These aren't people coming in because they have a runny nose or they have a pain in their stomach or anything. These are people that are the bulk of them are looking for the most inexpensive appointment that they can go to, people that a doctor that won't ask too too many questions so they can get a prescription so that they can sell those pills or do the pills because they're either addicts or they're doctor shopping, multiple clinics trying to get as many pills as possible so they can go and sell them either in

Florida or Georgia or South Carolina, wherever they're from where they can get a whole bunch money because you're buying pills for a dollar a pill that are selling for 20 bucks a pill. 20 or 40, whatever it was. And listen, this is a world that I had no idea. Like he told me he was open a doctor's office. I'm like, okay, he's open a doctor, you know, pain. I knew it was, they specialized in pain. You know what I mean? So I, whatever. I said, there all day. He gave me like 500 bucks for the day. Whatever. I was like, cool. Went home. Next day, sat at my house. Two days after that, he calls me, hey, I need you to come in again. I was like, all right. Went in there. Two hundred bucks? Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. It was, it was way,

it was like 500. You know what I mean? And so the next day I went there, I was like, I kind of ingratiated myself into it a little bit. I started helping the people with their files, doing this, doing that, you know what I mean, bringing people back to see the doctor. And I noticed that, you know, three days ago, we saw 10 people or 11 people. Today we saw like 25. And all 10 of those people that were here three days ago are back, not seeing a doctor, but they each brought two other people. Right.

And I'm like, okay. And it was that day, they said, Chris gave me a check and it was like, right down the street was the tax collector's office. It was like, hey, go get this license down there. I went and got the license. They were open for like two or three weeks. Yeah.

I went down there. It was $36. I still remember it. I remember going in there, having the form filled out, going up to the lady. She stamped the thing out, printed something. I gave her a check for $36. Went back and we hung it on the wall at the office. And now I was like, all right, I see what's going on here.

You know what I mean? And so I worked maybe another day in two days. I went back. I went home. I got another little side job, something. I did that. And I remember driving home from it. And Chris calling me and was like, hey, man, why don't you just work here?

We'll pick you up every day. This, that deal. And I was like, dude, you're going to get me thrown in jail. You know what I mean? By this time, I saw. what it was. I know how Chris and Jeff are. For example, when I say I know how Chris and Jeff are, I remember when doing the hurricane shutters, how Jeff ran that business, right? So when you submit a permit for a new house, okay, you got the plans, all pages of the plans, and then everything,

the garage door you put in the house, you have to have a spec for it. It's staple to the plans. the windows has to have the wind pressures. Everything has to match up with the engineers plan. But for everything you put in that house, now it's to the point where you have to have specs for your refrigerator. So your plans, you know, say it's 10 pages. It's like this thick because it has all these little books for every single thing you have in your house, right?

So Jeff, I don't know for some reason, he didn't want to use the 14-gauge hurricane. shutters that were required, right? So he made an engineer stamp, right? Found 18-gauge, or 20-gauge hurricane shutters, got to Spexworm, stamped it with his fake engineer stamp, submitted it not with a set of plans to the building department, but submitted it to the actual administration of the billing department to get approved.

And it got approved. Right. With a fake everything. Right. So, like, I knew what I was. Yeah, yeah. I knew what I, you know, when they were like, all right, come work.

I knew what was going on, but I was like, dude, this guy's giving me $500, $700. And he's picking me up. His wife picks me up. We eat Ruth Chris's steakhouse every night for dinner. Ruth Chris's rain dancer. I'm like, fuck it. What am I doing?

I got another, at that time, I had another year before I could even get a work driver's license. right at another year in a couple days at this point before i can even get that i'm on felony probation and that was the other thing was i wasn't allowed to leave palm beach county and we were in brower county so every day when i was like i was allowed to leave for work but i had a call probation officer right and say hey listen i'm working at this address in broward every day right so i was like let me see am i going to fucking say fuck it right and just i went and what i did was i went and opened up a fake corporation I paid 200 bucks and it was like Nolan construction consulting

right open up a bank account total probation this is what I'm doing I'm a consultant for construction now so I didn't have to show any pay stubs you know when you're in probation you have to have a job and show you pay so now I'm self-employed right so i was done you know what i mean it's the state felony probation whatever so i never called in again i'd go once a month to and terms of that probation was it was like that probation was until i got a driver's license back right so the second i got any type of driver's license it was over. I was done. So I handled all that and just started I worked like one more day and Diana drove. Oh, they got me at boat me a gym membership too. So we would work, right? Go eat at Ruth

Chris or wherever, rain dancer, whatever, go to the gym and they would bring me home and like $700 a day. Right. And I whatever. You know what I mean? You got to. we didn't act like nobody was wearing scrubs right i was wearing affliction t-shirts jeans and a pair of uh doc martins you know what i mean whatever nobody cared what you're doing i would i would drink at the office all day you know what i mean i had a cooler full of beer or the refrigerator full of beer whatever lunch but we didn't really do anything you know what i mean this is not exactly a clinical uh environment We weren't cured cancer. Right.

There was no experiments going on. Nobody had, there was no microscopes. We weren't studying any labs, you know. So I worked one more day or something. And on the way home, it was just Diana drive me home. And she was like, listen, we really want you to stay. I mean, we don't care how much we'll just pay you, you know what I mean, thousands. It doesn't matter.

I'm like, all right, I'll stay. You know what I mean? And then it wasn't a couple days later that our doctor, Dr. Overstreet, disappeared. Nobody knew where he was. You know, he was the last time we saw him was a Friday night. And he had a little conference with Chris, asked that I left the room. And it was a conference because he wanted his part of the money because he was going to Panama, right? but wasn't telling his wife about it or something like that he was he wanted to cash Chris gave

money we never saw him again and uh so when we went to open up Monday morning now it's been three weeks we already have appointments so we have like 30 people so we had to like scramble and find a doctor and Jeff had already been talking to a doctor a doctor Gittins her name was she but she lived in New York right and now we got call it 25 people 15 or 20 of them patients sitting there waiting on a Monday morning for us to open up and we don't want each person spends it's 200 to see the doctor call it a dollar a pill and then you get three prescriptions one of those prescriptions is a dollar a pill one of them's 60 cents a pill one of them's 40 a pill so probably 500 in medication plus the 200

dollar visit right there's 20 people sitting in there okay yeah that just today pays the lease yeah yeah right so we're scrambling trying to find a doctor end up about nine o'clock in a morning making agreement with this doctor who's in new york she catches the first flight from new work airport to Fort Lauderdale. We have her a room booked at the, what's it called? The Hard Rock, right? We did a long-term rental for a room there. Pick her up at the airport.

She doesn't even go, she brings her brother, too. He goes and checks in. She shows up at like 3 o'clock in the afternoon with a script pad. We already had script pads with all her information waiting on her and just start seeing patience. We stayed until like 2, 3 in the morning that night. This is like 3 weeks in. And man, that was really like, right then, it all kind of blew up.

Now we're seeing 30 a day, every day. And now it's, okay, I'm running everything. Chris is setting up accounts with different pharmaceutical companies because we're running at, we're now selling Dr. Overstreet, who's dead and missing. we're selling his pills. That's 21,000 a day. If on average, roughly, it's 700 bucks per person that walks in

and you're saying it's roughly, it's 30. Yeah. Because I remember the photos, it's funny because the photos in the newspaper and online. It's one pill, it says, pain killers. Or no, what is it?

Pain. Pillbillies. No, no. I mean, the sign was. Oh, it said pain clinic. Pain clinic. And then there's a line out. outside. Yeah.

Like, because there's so many, they don't have enough. Pillillies go home or something. The headline was. It gets to the point where they can't put everybody in the waiting room. Waiting room only holds whatever, 10, 15 people or something. I mean, it was supposed to. We had 200 people in there. And I mean, it was as big as this room, literally as big as this room that we're in right now with two

vending machines, two flat screen TVs on a wall and a bunch of these shitty chair, these exact shitty chairs that you have right here. That's killing my back at this moment right now. About 50 of them. Right. I remember the first time I put all 50 of them together. We bought over $25 a piece off office depot. These were $99.

But they've been four, it's been four years. Inflation. It's been four years. And the doctor, the first doctor is really just gone. Oh, no. So he's gone, right? So we don't hear from him for like three weeks. And then all of a sudden, his wife and an attorney show up.

and it turns out he was dead. I don't know if there was foul play involved. We don't know nothing. They found him at the bottom of a canal. I don't know if it was a Panama Canal, but it was in Panama. They found him at the bottom of a canal, upside down,

and a Jeep Wrangler dead. I don't know how they do their CSI investigations in Panama. I don't know about their, if they do blood tests there. I mean, he's an American dead at the bottom of a canal. they came in to get money and his medication. Yeah, whole safe full of pills. And we were like, uh, uh, right?

So in that time that he was from when he went missing to when his wife and his lawyer showed up, right? We hired this one doctor, Dr. Gittins, and another. one, Dr. Joseph, Enoch Joseph, the one that was in the video of me, me guiding him to protecting him from the Pavarazzi or whatever on the way into the clinic. So we hired him and because now like it literally, it was like overnight, you know, 10 patients to 30 a day, right? And at that point, and at that point, Dr. Gittins was, she was spending 15, 20 minutes with each person. Dr. Joseph was, he had been moonlight.

He was a gynecologist. And he also went back to Haiti. He was from Haiti. And he went back pretty often. I want to say once a month or something like that. And inoculated babies or, I don't know, whatever they do over there. I don't know. He's treating babies in Haiti and coming over here and filling prescription pain.

Well, he had his own practice. He had a gynaecology office, right? He would do that charity work or whatever in Haiti. And I think prior to working for us, he was moonlighting at a pain clinic here there, right? And then he gave all that up and came on full. time with us because Chris offered the other pain clinics that were paying these doctors to Moonlight were paying $35 a patient. Chris was like, fuck that, 75.

So more than double, almost triple what everybody else was paying. And what's your job at the clinics at this time? I know initially you're just sitting there. But once you get hired on, like, what are you doing? Yeah. At this point, like, there had been a couple of issues where, you know, we didn't. know everything and the patients didn't know. So there was a couple issues with budding heads with the patients or them acting out or something like that that I had.

My basically my job was supposed to be that I would sit there, check the people in. I didn't know what an MRI was. I didn't know any of that. At that point, you didn't need an MRI. You just come in and say, my back hurts. Here's my driver's license. And we put you back there and over street would write the medication. So we didn't know that. that you, I don't even think it is required that you have an MRI, but when these new doctors came in, they started saying, hey, I need to see something. Yeah, right?

They can't just come in. X-ray, you know what I mean? So basically what my job was was figuring out what we got to do. So we stole another pain clinic's forms, right? HIPAA forms and all that kind of stuff, just cut and paste it, put our name on it. They fill out all their information. I was just late.

I was becoming a learned medical professionals. What exactly I was doing. You know what I mean? I was walking the tightrope. You know what I mean? Putting the hours in. Figuring it out. Wearing the rubber gloves.

You know, just kind of like figuring out how to run the, that was my job, you know, checking the people in, taking the patients. People would start calling about prescribers, figuring out what you had to do to order prescription pads, right? What was required of a pain clinic. I don't, and like,

there wasn't anything on the books for the state of Florida on how pain clinic should be run. Right. You know what I mean? Like, oh, it's just a doctor's office. You know, I'd call it like, okay, I want, I need this

information about opening a pain clinic. Pain clinic, I don't know, there's no, there's no operating manual kind of thing. So what do you do? Oh, it's family practice. Yeah, there you go.

Yeah, these guys get hurt. They come in. We fix them up, you know, kind of thing. I mean, it's really, it's down to the doctor. The doctor has a license to prescribe. If he thinks you deserve, you need medically need this medication, then he can prescribe it. But you guys are realizing something's wrong. Something's wrong.

These are drug addicts. Like some of these guys have real problems. And some of these guys are bringing other. people with them. They're coming, see the doctor, and then they come back next day with five people. And so the doctors are saying, I got to see something. Like these guys are walking in here. Well, so, yeah.

So after he was gone, then you got Gittins and Joseph. And now they're like, okay, listen, we'll see them this month, right? We'll see the person this month. But next month, they have to bring us something, right? And that's when like things started to get chipping. with the patients and stuff like that. So a couple times. They're pissed.

Yeah. They're pissed. What do I need to fucking? Or the doctor would refuse to write them a script or write them a small script. Right. And be like, listen, I'm going to give you 10 pills. Right. Just go get an MRI and come back.

Yeah. Right. And they're upset. I want my money back. This, that. So I handled a few things a couple times in front of Dr. Giddens. What does that mean? Handle.

I had to remove. the bad part of the equation from our situation. You know what I mean? And like one time it was in her office. You know what I mean? Someway may have got drug out by their ears. And in another time there was a guy in a full fake body cast in a wheelchair with like a sipping straw and everything to go with it, right?

That the doc that she was like, she found out. He had paperwork. Yeah. And she was like, she felt suspicious about it. So she left the room, took his paperwork, and called this referring doctor. Uh-huh. And the guy was like, the other doctor was like, yeah, he just left here. I just wrote him 220 percocets or something like that.

So she went in there and was like, get out of here. I know what you're doing. And this, I'm like pushing him. This motherfucker jumped up. He's literally like. Like the damn movie grownups where the guys got to cast on like this. That's how he was. Casts everywhere.

Legs, arms, everything. Jumps right up. All the stuff comes right off. Goes after. Right. So these doctors, I mean, they don't, they know what's going on, right? Like, or are they just kind of playing? Is it willful blindness?

It's real full blind. I was looking for the right term. I'm usually more of a wordsmith. I had too much coffee So my wit hasn't come Yet but Yeah it was like I know what

You can't prove I can't prove that you're lying Yes Something's wrong Even with me and Chris With me and with Chris We don't want to talk about it You don't really want to know

Yeah I feel like I know But I can prove it And I don't really want to know you know and um at then at the same token i don't know if this is how if we got dr gettons by selling her a different story and she came in thinking x and gets here and it's b right it's something totally different but at the end of day she saw 30 patients at 75 dollars a patient okay yeah it's a nice chunk of yeah she made a couple thousand over a couple thousand dollars

today yeah right today so you can make two thousand dollars a day you show right and this is and this is at the beginning you know what I mean and then so I don't know if it was that and she like kind of accepted it right and then started playing the game or whatever but it just wasn't talked about but once those couple issues were handled that I handled, got everything taken care of, whatever, then they went to, because at this time I wasn't going to stay. You know what I mean?

It was just going to be like, okay, I'm waiting until I get another job. I figure something out with my driver's license. The doctors went to Chris and Diana and we're like, listen, we really need, you know, we feel way more,

comfortable with him here. Right. Right. So then it was like them. These doctors aren't grabbing anybody by their fucking, by their ears. You know, they just felt a little bit better about me being there. And so I was like, you know what? Whatever.

I'm not going to get it. It's going to be a year before I have my driver's license. I'm making a shitload of money. This place is only getting busier. Fuck it. You know, and I just kind of threw myself all into it. Started hiring all my friends that don't even know, Chris and Jeff are and and Diana so I started bringing my friends into it and then my friends started

becoming patience right and uh that's not good yeah and not for any other reason but to sell the pills yeah you know what I mean I mean pretty much everybody that worked there got hooked on them at one point or whatever you know what I mean it became an issue right but um yeah so then it It really, once I decided, okay, I'm going to stay. It didn't blow up because I decided I was going to stay. But when I decided, okay, I'll just put my effort, all my effort into this and run the place and see where it goes. You know what I mean? That's not why it blew up, but at that point, it really blew up.

You know what I mean? We're in this little teeny place. It's less than a thousand square feet. It's got three doctor's offices. 400 square feet of it is where we hang out. 60 square feet is where all the files are kept and we check you in. It's a little skinny areas wide as a desk. File cabinets all on this side.

Fax machine and copy machine on this side and just enough room to walk back. And in a waiting room and three little teeny doctor's offices. And within weeks, within a month, you know, it was 60. people a day, right? 60. Just coming in, coming in. And it would literally be somebody come down from Kentucky, right? Come in, see the doctor, get their pills,

drive back to Kentucky, and come back within 48 hours with five people. Yeah, the pill village, like they, they, what did they call it? The pill village. Yeah, pill billies. But what was the, what did they call it? Oxy Alley. OxyAle. Listen, it was a huge.

This is a huge issue. And what makes it spike off in Florida? Just the regulations. It's just easy. Yeah, there was no, there was no pharmaceutical tracking system in Florida. It was in 38 states, Florida not being one of them, but all those 38 states, Florida was the closest one that didn't have it, basically. And, I mean, they call the main road in Boka, what do they call it, Maggot Mile. Right.

Everything's a scam. You know what I mean? Everything. Everybody's on the take. That was the thing with the doctors that we hired, right? Like, that's what my main, I guess, what I added to it, I would always find out what this doctor's reasoning is for being there. You met Dr. Graham. Right.

You knew him from prison. Right. So when we hired him, like, he would come in and he would write, he would come in for an hour from four to five on Wednesday and Friday. Right. And make a thousand bucks, right, for a couple weeks. Right. And I could see it tormenting him what he was doing. I could see him.

I'm not a psychologist or nothing, but I've been around enough. I can read people a little bit. I mean, I can see. You know, you know, Derek, I don't know about this. I don't know about, and I'd be like, take it easy. What's going on? Listen, man, no, I own, he owned a operating room. You know how he's a plastic surgeon.

Yeah. He actually owned his own operating room at the Boka Hospital, like where the medical buildings off there, where not only did he perform the surgeries, but he rented it out to other plastic surgeons to do. their surgery. I know this because all of our girlfriends got their tits done at his office, right? After we, you know what I mean? It came in.

So I knew something was wrong. Why? And he was like, say he was 64, right? And I noticed right away that he drove like a, this is 2008. He had like a 94 BMW 445 or something like that. Right. It's a nice card. 12 years old.

Yeah. If you're kicking ass as a surgeon, you're not driving that vehicle. He was known as he, I saw all these articles. He was a boom man. I don't know, something like that. That was his thing, whatever. So I would,

I'd see him struggling with what he was doing right in 240 oxies, right in 180. And then he would, he would go down, be like, Derek, I'm not giving this guy 30 pills. Right? And I'm like, no, you're not. the guy just drove all the way here from kutkutki you brought four people with him you're not giving him 30 pills come on man i'm like what are you doing here and you know him so you know how um

when i'm being him that's how he is you know we kind of became for i'm like right right that and then just go home right right him the 180 and go home you don't have to be here you don't understand something with his kids, dropping out of school, doing something with student loans or gambling or something like that. He's like, I'm fucking broke. You don't understand. I don't want to fucking do this.

I'm like, listen, man, I'm not twisting your arm. I'm not twisting your arm. I didn't hire you and I didn't interview you. I didn't tell you anything, but this is how it is. And it was like this with all the doctors. Each one of them had a reason for being there. and that's, I kept them there by playing off of that.

You know what I mean? There was doctors that maybe they had like some kind of fantasy about being a gangster. So I let them into, let them believe what they wanted, put on a little bit of a show for them on how I acted and kind of became a dick-sized contest on who was the bigger gangster, who could, who was bringing a gun to work. You know what I mean? They would tell me about things they did about their criminal history, about getting arrested for fighting in Orlando when they were finishing up med school and spending a couple days in jail and things like that. And there's ones that were just naive and I would protect them from everything.

When they would show up for work in the morning, I'd be waiting outside in the parking lot. So they didn't have to see the mess. and other patients weren't running up to them. They didn't see anything. All the junkies pushed to the side. When it came time to leave, I would walk them to the door. Their lunch, it would get brought to their room.

I kept them protected from seeing that. Other doctors, I would act like a bodyguard for, make them feel like they were that important. Right. doctors that they would ask me to come with them to go buy a new car because they didn't want to get they felt like they were Mercedes was ripping them off right so they would want me to come with them to you know what I did whatever I had to do to you know and at that point at by the end you know we had 17 doctors working full time right you know each seeing a hundred patients a day

right and I kept a piece between all those different personalities they'd be fighting over the patient files because they got five offices in a row. Here's Dr. Aruta. Here's Dr. Joseph. Here is Boschers. Here's cadet. Here's Dresher.

Here's Dresher Jr. You have the main waiting room, and I'd call like 15 people back at a time to the secondary waiting room, right? sit right here wait this is basically right outside the doctor's offices each doctor had a file folder hooked to their door

I'd be like okay you're gonna see Dr. Dresher so I put each one would get two files in it right and like I said they're getting paid by the patient so Aruta is seeing them at 45 seconds right

Boschers is seeing them at two minutes Drescher is 75 years old He's seen him at a minute and a half And really doesn't care whatever So Aruta is getting done with his I haven't brought any new patients back So he'll just take somebody's file out of their box Fight would start between the doctors

You know Like that was based That's what my job ended up becoming Just keeping the peace between everybody putting in policies, you know, I'm on the phone with the doctors, me, on the phone with the attorneys getting new HIPAA forms that the patients have to sign to become a pain management contracts. I'm writing them on my laptop and sending them to the attorney to get them approved so that these people can sign my legal forms, you know what I mean?

Just silliness, basically. Is it all cash? All cash. No, we took credit cards. 17 doctors. How much money is the facility bringing in? Well, when I say 17 doctors by the end, we had four clinics, right? So the most that we had at one clinic was the big clinic called American Paine.

We had six doctors working full-time, each seeing 100 to 120 a day. So I think the most we ever saw was like 678 people in one day. So every one of them paid either. $150 if you were a follow-up patient or $200 if you were a new patient. And I would say 70% of them filled their medication there. So 70% of those 600 people spent $1,000 there. So at the end of the day, there was stacks of cash. each person who was taking money,

so it would be six windows to check in, and either one or two medication windows checking in, that all had the nine-gallon garbage cans right below the desk. So they would take the money, throw it in the desk, and then I would walk around like every hour and grab everybody's and then go dump it in a room for Ethan to count them on, put the money.

through the money counters, separate it, fold it up, and then at the end of the day, they always say that we carried it out in trash bags and stuff, but we never carried out in trash bags. What we would do was put it in a box of empty drug tests. So it looks like a pizza box, right?

So it looked like when Ethan would leave it at the end of the day, he was carrying a box of drug tests. Well, money went into a garbage bag right one time money went into a black garbage bag and a bunch of flyers for the clinic or is in a black garbage bag right next to each other Chris walked out of the place thinking he was grabbing the flyers right brought him out to his truck threw him in the back of it as a SUV threw him in a back seat took somebody to a dentist appointment or something like that was sitting in a dentist office heard his alarm going on

somebody had broken into his truck right he was like why would they take the flyers they like took a CD and the flyers it gets back to the office and opens up the other black garbage bag and that's where the flyers are he grabbed the wrong trash bag so someone just made off some kid on a escape I think they saw a video like some kid on a skateboard broke the window was rifle and through stuff looked in a trash bag and it was full of 20s, 10s, 50s, and hundreds. How much was totally? It was like 300-something thousand. And got all, so they carried the money out in trash bags.

No, we didn't. We kept the money instead of a little register. You had a nine-gallon bucket, right? Just a nine-gallon garbage can that you see in every office, under every desk. You take the money, you throw it in there. I would pick it up when it filled up. once every hour once every half an hour bring it to Ethan Ethan will run it through the money counter band it up stack it up a couple times a week he would take it home put it in a

safe whatever a couple times a week you would go to the bank deposit the money in the bank when we could try to split it up because their banks don't want cash ever since the what was it the 80s with Miami was built on drug money everybody bringing their drugs they don't want cash anymore. It just causes too many problems. So we had to figure out play games, deposit this much of this account, deposit that much of this account, this bank, this branch, that kind of thing. Can I ask you something? Sure. When did the guy the money end up missing? Remember the guy, guy ends up, money's missing? Oh, that was way at the beginning. That was, we were still, you want to talk about that? I do want to talk about that. I have, I mean, that's, that's what I ended up

going to prison for that was one of the charges yeah i i ended up telling i told my wife that story last night um she was like i was like yeah so so you know what this is it was october 2008 okay we're at the first cypress creek location and um we had always been having problems depositing money in the bank. Always having problems depositing the money. And so, I mean,

it was probably every two weeks that the bank would just drop us. So we're always constantly going to a different bank, different branch, whatever. Because, you know, cash. You know, they don't want cash.

And we were fairly new into it. It was a year, and it's like a weird problem to have. That's something you would never think about. Right. It's something you would never think about. So brought home 300 grand to Chris's house. Somehow it got, we had no bank to deposit in it at the time.

So it was like Thursday and Friday, right? The cash came home, went. Somehow it got into a kitchen cabinet. That weekend, Chris had some people over for brunch. somebody must have that was at that brunch must have said hey can have a glass of water for some reason somebody opened up one of the kitchen cabinets and saw stacks of cash there's only like two or three people there right saw the cash in there went to work the next week work for an entire week that cash stayed right in there the next week the next entire week's money didn't get deposited either. For it's half a million dollars in Abercrombie Fitchbag that got brought home on a Thursday and sat outside the office door in Chris's house on his way to the bedroom.

On Friday, we're at work, get a phone call, answer the phone, somebody asked for Chris or his girlfriend. I say they are not there. I don't know if it was me or somebody else took the phone call, but it was an odd phone call asking people don't why wouldn't they call the cell phone right they call the office line and say is chris or diana there no they're not here who is this phone goes dead whatever don't think about nothing end of the day we go out to dinner whatever chris goes home i go home um five minutes after i get home i get a call chris screaming get i need you to get over to the house right now this is when

I still don't, I didn't have a license. So this is way back in the beginning. So he sends Diane to come get me. I get over to the house. Somebody stole a fucking money. The cops were just leaving, right? And he said, somebody stole a fucking money. I said, oh, you call the cops?

Yeah, they don't believe me. And I'm like, what do you mean? They don't believe me. They said, nobody has that kind of money at their house. Nobody has that kind of cashed the house. I tried to explain to him without explaining too much. and they think that it's like some kind of insurance homeowner's insurance thing whatever

but there's a broken window in the bathroom so this person came into the development broke into the bathroom window climbed through cut themselves so there's blood on the window walked out this is his master bedroom bathroom walks out and if you remember what I said about maybe two minutes ago

Monday through Thursday's take of a half million dollars in Abercrombie fishbag was sitting outside the office directly next to the master bedroom, walked past the half a million dollars in Abercrombie Fochbag, right into the kitchen to that one specific cabinet where that money's been since the previous Thursday, took the money, went back out the window, and disappeared. Okay, so this wasn't a random break-in that somebody searched through everything because they left the half a million dollars sitting right there. Right.

It's a gated community, right? They broke the window, went out the window. Had to be quick, had the wherewithal to call the office and ask if Chris or Diana were home. So who knew that that money was there? Those three people. There was me. Two people that were at the brunch, Chris, his wife, and Chris's brother, Jeff. So.

Okay. So, and now Chris and his brother Jeff, we're beefing at the time. Chris calls his mom and asks if Jeff's been there. And his mom says, yeah, he was here. He came here and put a duffel bag in the spare bedroom closet. Chris said, go look in that. Chris goes and looks in it. There's like half a million dollars in cash in the bag in there.

Right. So now Jeff has his own clinic. and all that kind of stuff. So, but Chris immediately thinks that it was Jeff. Yeah. So me and Chris jump in his car, haul ass over there. By that time, his mom figures out something's going on,

calls Jeff, says, what's going on? Chris knows about what's in the bedroom, what's happening, and I don't want any kind of beef here. Bup, blah, blah, blah, blah. We get there at the same time. Jeff has a dude named Robbie with him. I have Chris has me with them

we go inside they go into the room they're arguing kicking Jeff's saying that's my money from my clinics whatever they're fighting yelling at each other the parents are trying to break it up me and Robbie are sitting there

looking at each other right like okay I don't know what to think I don't want to think that Jeff would broke in the house but it's looking pretty fucking bad yeah right they come wrestling out of the room with the bag it's like an army bag

and look at it and it's not the money it's banded differently it's like like you could tell I think I think there was like rubber bands on it you know what I mean it was like not stacks of $100 bills it was fucking five's tens and 20s from Jeff's smaller places

you know ones shit like that so but now it's like okay who did it then right So there's a bunch of fighting. A gun get their stepdad grabs the bag and takes off with it. Right. Like he's like going to get it out of there.

So it doesn't get bad. Jeff's got a gun. Right. Jeff jumps in a car, takes off after him, pulls a gun on his stepdad, takes the bag back, comes back. Now their dad is there. Right? So it's like the whole family, extended family, it's not a nuclear family, right? It's the mom, dad, stepmom, stepdad, yeah.

A couple brothers, stepbrothers, sisters. Extended. Me and Robbie. All right. Right. And then kind of attention turns to Robbie at some point, right? And then the cops show up and the cops start asking Jeff for, they still think it was Jeff and they want DNA from Jeff.

And Jeff's like, stupid fuck, we're identical twins. Of course, my fucking DNA is going to be all over his fucking house. His DNA is my DNA. I'm like, oh, my God, dude. So it calmed down. It was getting really heated, you know what I mean? Like, so we just left, right? I was staying with, it just kind of was like, I don't know what we're going to do.

You know what I mean? No big deal. I was, my girlfriend lived in Fort Lauderdale in Tamarack. So the next day, I went down there, spent the night with her on Saturday night. On Sunday morning, I got a call from Chris. I need you to get here right now. I'll pay for a taxi. I can't drive, right?

It's a drive. It's an hour and a half. Take a taxi, hour and a half up to his house. I get there. There's like an FBI car in the driveway. Like, it's not a real FBI car, but it looks like one, you know what I mean? The caprice, whatever, like a newer one. And I'm like, oh, man, what the fuck is this?

Chris, come inside. There's a dude setting up a fucking table with a lie detector machine. And I'm like, what is going on? All right, I got to figure it out. It can only possibly be you, but it couldn't be you because you. You were at work with me. Gino, Robbie,

Chris Hudson, or my brother, Jeff. So I invited everybody over here thinking that we're going to have a brunch and you're not going to let anybody leave this house until they take a lie detector test. Oh my God.

Okay, that you are? That's the plan. That's what's happening right now. And he's like, yeah, you know, they'll probably all take it, though. You know, I don't think, you know, just don't let them leave. You know, I don't think anything's going to happen. And I'm like, I mean, what in the fuck?

And that is the way, Chris, and that's more of a Jeff way. Like, over the years, I would get recruited to go thinking I'm going to a Dolphins game when it's really I'm going, because Jeff's about to pull some shit. and a fight's about to break out. And he's easy to be there. One time I was being brought to a Kenny Chesney concert, and before he even came on stage, I was an hour back north chasing down somebody that robbed his house.

You know what I mean? Like, that's the way it goes. You know what I mean? With these guys. I'm like, okay. So everybody gets there and everybody's like, what the hell? Who are these guys setting?

It's a retired FBI agent who now freelances as a lie detector. It's him and his wife. And everybody's like, what the fuck's going on? Where's brunch? Yeah, there's no brunch. There's not even a fucking piece of honeydew. You know what I mean? There's nothing.

The water. And now Chris is explaining everything to him. And I'm watching the guy setting up to a lot of tech. I say, obviously lie to this guy to get him here. He's an ex-fbi-i agent. Like, you know, he's got, but now he's like, what am I doing here again? He's like, he probably does. cheating spouses type of thing, right?

Oh, you're cheating on me. No, I'm not. I'll take a lot of tech tests. All right. That's probably what it does. Or for employers, we'll have, if you're getting a new employee, they'll lie if you ever stolen,

you ever smoked pot, you ever. Something along these lines. Not, there's a half a million dollars missing. There's a bunch of fucking giant, steroid out dudes. Chris is Chris's house.

Yeah. Strippers. Titty's out. the whole you know what I mean it's not tempers are flaring and I'm like watching the guy and he's like I don't know so then Derek stay with these guys everybody's like I'm not fucking taking it oh I'll take it I'm not fucking taking it you know it's like an argument and I'm going dude this is gonna get whatever so Chris goes and talks to the guy doing a lie detector and gives them like the they're discussing because Chris like I just want to know which one of these fuckers did he's like we can't

It doesn't work that way. They have to be phrased. The questions have to be phrased to see if there's deception. It's not like, did you do it? Right? Yeah. Yeah. Are you lying?

You know, and there's ways around it and everything. Whatever. So, Chris is like, listen, man, it's not a fucking, if you didn't do it, everybody's saying they didn't do it. Don't do it. And there was even one guy there that there was no, he was with us, right? and he was like, well, I'll take it too. You know what I mean?

And I was like, I was like, I'll take it, but I'm with them all day. You know what I mean? Not me. So they all agreed to take it, right? And they're going in there and I'm like, listen, this guy, he's not going to tell us. Right? somebody it's a lot of money there's gun like you walk through Chris's garage and there's like 10 guns he walked he had to walk you know what I mean yeah it's a lot of money he didn't know he

drove all way over to west palm from Tampa right and this is the this is this is the guy former agent yeah and I'm like he's not gonna fucking tell us you know what I mean I he I could see him and he had his wife with him and something was gonna you know what I mean he knew something was going to fucking happen if yeah you know and he was like real squirmy about it and this and that and he he agreed to do it and i remember whoever went everybody went and then robbie was the last one to go and uh he would come out give it gave it to jeff gave it to give it to gno he come out and be like there's it they didn't do i'm like my opinion they all had something to do with it that's what i thought right i thought it was like one person

told somebody this person drove this person this person went over there this person hired somebody that's what my opinion was right because there's it's a gated community there's cameras right they left evidence behind all that shit um but then the robbie went in and uh he came out the guy came out and went and he went and called chris over there and he told chris that's your fucking guy right that he failed every fucking question right and uh so then i get called in there and jeff gets called in there with chris and he's like listen that was robbie but i want the money back more than i want to do anything to him and robbie was living with jeff so he was like jeff was like give me your keys to your house you take robbie to lunch we're going to say that we're going to go hunting after lunch to

meet up at your house. You take them somewhere. Me and Derek will go search your house to find the money, right? It was 300 grand where did he spend that much money, right? Yeah. It's been, what, a week? Yeah. So they went their way.

Me and Chris went over there. They're twins. So the guard let them right in. You know what I mean? He was like, hey, Jeff, how you doing? We went into the house, searching a house, tearing everything apart. There's no money. right maybe it's in his truck he had a blue escalade pickup truck right um go outside it's locked

i call gator locksmith tell him to come and now jeff's calling going listen man did you find the fucking money i got to do something with this guy right so he's like stalling right go to the movies yeah something right ball of bowling there's stuff to do so they uh gator locksmith comes unlocks it right I go through everything all I find is a pistol right and I can't get the tonic cover

on the Cadillac bed open and I'm like all right open I take the pistol I take the bullets out I put the fuck clip back in the bullets in my pocket put it back in there in case I don't know what's gonna have

maybe when they come home he gets his gun first sniff something out do that I'm like all right open the bed and he's like well that's the ignition key So in order to make an ignition key to open the bed of the truck, I have to take the ignition apart.

Pull out a bunch of money. Go ahead. Here you go. Do it. He pulls the, I guess he was new, but he took the ignition apart, couldn't do it,

and couldn't figure out how to put the ignition back together. So he's like, I don't know what's going on here. You guys got guns and he's like shaking. This is the locksmith. And he's like, I'm sorry, I got to leave.

Yeah. So the fucking whole, the whole fucking escalate is taking apart. The doors are open. We can't get into the bed of the truck. I was like, let me think about something. So I went and pulled the back seat out. Right.

Right. And there's a little hole like this big that's like, it's not even well. It's just like a metal piece. It was like an octagon shaped hole. I fucking kicked it and it punched it or kicked it and it fell in. So shining a flashlight. I'm from the backseat of the escalate inside, shining a flashlight. And I see like there's like a fishing pole, a couple things.

I can reach a fishing pole. I pull a fish and pull out, shining, shining. I see a public's bag. What's in there? I hook it with a fishing pole. I pull it out, open it up for cash. And I'm like, nail fucking busted, dude.

Is it the same kind of cash? It looks like it, right? But we go inside. We call, no, we don't call Jeff. I pull it out. I start looking through it, but it doesn't have the bands on it, right? doesn't have our bands on it, and I'm going through it, and it's wrinkled up, hasn't been

through the money counter. Yeah. Right. And then there's a white piece of paper, and I pull a white piece of paper out, open it up. It's a goddamn roster sheet from one of Jeff's pain clinics. So he robbed Jeff. Right? And it was only being like 25 or 30 grand, right?

And we're like, holy shit. So he robbed Jeff. He failed the lie detector test out to be him. We got to get this information out of him, right? Jeff's fucking chomping at the bit. Dude, what am I going to do? Say, uh,

listen, Jeff, uh, we didn't find our money, but we found the money he stole from you. It has your fucking roster from your, what the motherfucker? He's like, I'm coming back right now.

I'm like, okay. So we moved the car. So when they pull in a driveway, they don't see the car and know the jig is up. Right. Unbeknownst to me, Jeff's so angry, he stopped somewhere and gets a gun, right? It's a big house, huge house. And like there's wings, two stories, there's wings, the master baths, bedrooms upstairs.

The whole front of the house is the master bath on this wing in the back. There's like a living room in the master. and then the master and then a huge covered patio. This is upstairs on a second floor. The other side, other wing of the house upstairs is just bedrooms. So me and Chris are hanging in the front bedroom looking out the window, right? With the blinds waiting for the coming when he comes in. I'm going to beat his ass and we're going to ask him some questions, right?

So we and Chris are talking. Derek, you're nice guy, man. Right now is the time. to be nice. You need you to know that. It's the time not to be nice, Derek. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever.

I get it. I understand my mission. Here's what I here. These are big guys. Yeah. But they're harmless, right? I don't want. I mean, I don't know.

I've never seen them fight, really. I mean, but they're big guys. I've seen pictures. They're pretty big guys. But they keep bringing you in. Yeah. Why can't they do anything? It's been the entire story of my entire.

life. It's not just with them. That's been my entire life story. I've never asked anything of you. Do you have it? No, have I? You asked me to come on your show. Well, I mean, yeah, but that's that.

And the only reason I haven't been because this entire time until I saw that other guy in there, I thought you were shooting gay. I can't. This is a mutually. This is an exclusive. And I've been trying to vacant rooms to roof. I've been, I've been like, too. I feel bad.

I've been trying to be nice about it politically correct. And I'm like, listen, man, I just don't have the time. I didn't want to tell you that I wasn't gay. We'll talk about it. So, what were the? So we're waiting up there. And I'm getting the pep talk. Yeah.

Right. And he's got a, Chris had a thing of Mace. Right. Oh my God. Here we. And I, while we're, talking, we're like distracted for a minute.

And I hear a door shut. And I'm like, I look out the window. I'm like, oh shit, did they get here? No, their car's not there. Listen, listen. I don't hear nothing. Like, okay. Just fucking hearing things. Maybe there's ghosts. Who knows? A little

while later, they pull in. I'm like, okay, let's go. Confront them. Wait. Let them get upstairs. They come upstairs. You can go right, left. Left is a master. Right is where we are. They go in there. As soon as they go in a bedroom, we follow behind.

Robbie goes right, grabs a necklace out of Chris's closet, our Jeff's closet, a big gold diamonds. He's like, hey, man, can I wear it? We're going, we're supposed to be going hunting. And the dude's like, hey, man, can I wear your necklace? And as he turns around, I'm standing right there. Oh, shit. So I put him down.

You told him what? He's short and fat? Huh? You put him down. What do you mean? You put him down? He went on the ground. He vastly.

You punched him? It was a punch slam combination type thing. The little poop came out. He pooped himself. He was wearing some jean shorts. It was smelly. Bounced off the wall.

I picked him up a slammed him on his head. And I was like, damn. I smelled it first. Right. Right. And I was like, what the fucking, I thought there was going to be on my hands or my pants or something. So he was down there and I'm like, ah, I'm standing his face down.

And I'm like this. And Jeff's like, here, dude. He reaches behind his back and pulls out a pair of handcuffs. And he's like, cuff him. And I'm like, I got shit on me. All right. I cuff him. I go into the bathroom and I'm like washing myself.

And I hear, boom, gun go off. Now, I took the bullets out of the gun downstairs. I didn't know there was any other guns around. Right. Right. Like I said, a minute ago, unbeknownst to me, Jeff stopped somewhere and got a fucking gun, right? Boom, boom. I come running back in.

I'm like, fucking shot him. And at that moment right there, I was like, oh, man, we're going to jail for a long time. Right. And even if he didn't kill him, this dude's in handcuffs. I assaulted him. He's in handcuffs. He's in Florida, there's a 10-20 life. Use a gun.

Have a gun. 10. Use a gun. 20, pull-a-trigger, life. 10-20 life. That's the Florida law. Okay. Oh, my fucking.

I took a breath. I go back to. And the guy Robbie's out of the ground, he's crying. And he's like on his side, kicking his legs. He's like, where's the fucking money? I swear to God, I don't have the money. I didn't do nothing. And I'm like, Jesus Christ, I'm thinking, we got to kill him now because we're going

away for everyone might as well. Yeah. And I'm like, fucking right. And all of a sudden I hear this coming, we're in a hallway. At the end of the hallway is a master bedroom, master bathroom, where I just was his master closet, her master closet. And I hear the, in the closet. And I'm like, what in the fuck is that?

I pull the closet, that door, that, what I thought I heard earlier? Right. Was the other guy, Gino, thinking we're going hunting also and getting left out of the loop of what's going on, showed up with his shotgun and his fucking Elmer Fudd hat and was upstairs doing something and when all this commotion broke out he went in the closet and hid

so he like bumped into something in the closet so now we got another witness I didn't even know this fucking guy was there and I'm like holy shit and I remember he had rosary beads in his hand and he's in the closet pray basically and he's like and this guy Robbie's a drug addict

and that guy Gino was a drug addict and both of them in and out of rehab and all this shit and so they were what do you call it like kindred spirits right

and I was like you gotta be fucking kidding me dude so Jeff didn't stop kept with asking questions I hit the guy a couple more times maybe kicked him a couple times we took his phone right

going through his phone and turns out by going through his phone he's a DEA informant he's got all these messages on the phone talking back and forth between people he's setting up buying drugs and his DEA handler. Oh my God. This is getting worse and worse.

This is fucking terrible, bro. But like now I'm like, Jesus Christ, and this guy's not giving it up. I didn't do it. I swear I didn't do it. Dude, please let me go. All this shit. I'm like, and this is going on for a minute now,

dude. He's can't handcuffed down the ground. His hands are purple. I just fucking, right? There's no double. I don't, I didn't have a key. You know how they, they put them on you and then they lock them so that they don't. Yeah. Get tighter and tighter, yeah.

And he's squirming. So it keeps getting locked up. They keep ticking. They keep ticking. Tighter and tighter and harder every time you move. So, yeah, it got a little Harry. Then we're like, all right, this is what we're going to do. And we like write a script.

We didn't write it, but like came up with a script because him and his girlfriend were thick as thief. So he's doing bullshit together, right? So we came up with it. We're going to call her and hold the phone to his ear and have him ask her, um, do you remember what I did with that money I got from Chris's the other day? Like,

I don't remember exactly what it was, but like trying to get him to incriminate himself. Right? and I think she knew, right? Like, he was like, and she's like, why are you asking me that? What's going on there? You know what I mean?

And then the phone got hung up and it was like, all right. So now the police are being called. No, yeah, kind of. Possibly, possibly. So then it was, I'm like, all right, we don't really have any option. We got to kill him and Gino. That was what I'm like, dude, we can't. I mean, little dead.

I mean, he shot the gun into the floor. Yeah. Two, three, four times. Like, word of this. What are we going to do? You know what I mean? We, we, we're going to go find the bullets. Right.

Is that what we're going to do here? Knocked the house down. What are we going to do, you know? And this was our conversation with me, Chris and Jeff. With Chris and Jeff, what are you going to do? Just paying. we'll just pay him to shut up and I'm like

pay him to shut up huh I mean that's a better option than killing them right but there's got to be a different way to do it like and $10,000 we're going to pay $10,000 to not say anything

and I'm like $10,000 that's like low ball in the shit you know what I mean I'm like this guy's got you and you take the $10,000 and still say something so if they fucking let me go They just made me problems. And then like, again, with the suing.

Yeah. Right. Oh, we're going to give him the $10,000 or we're going to make them sign something with a lawyer saying that there's a lot of rumors going on about an incident that happened between us and him. And in order to get the $10,000, he has to sign it that it was in fact just rumors. And I'm like, I want you just give me $10,000. You guys leave? Yeah. So the problem goes away.

So that's what they did, right? That's the plan, the consensus that everybody came to. And so, like, all right, made the deal with Robbie, who's on the floor handcuffed, and, like, go ahead and uncuff them. And I'm like, you give me handcuffs. Yeah. Where's the key? I don't know. I don't have a key.

I don't like, oh, man. You don't have a key? And he's like, no. And then the idiots that we are, we couldn't, didn't know what to do. We didn't want anybody to leave by themselves to go get a key or whatever. And who has handcuffs anyway? I've never had a pair of handcuffs.

Right. Not even sexy handcuffs, I don't think. Right. So, um, no, we're actually holding him in positions and like, pointing the gun at it,

like trying to be like, Jesus. If we hold it like this, it won't ricochet. I mean, this guy, we're rolling around on the floor. Hold it. I'm like, this is just insanity. So then it was, let's get another person involved. Send Chris's wife to Chris's girlfriend at the time to the Army Navy store to buy a

handker handcuffs that has a set of handcuff key. And then come here, it's like, we're talking a two-hour round trip to do all this, right? And that's if there's lots of different handcuff keys. They're not all identical. And that was what ended up being. So for the next two hours, we're waiting on all this. There's five of us sitting in the bedroom all along the walls of the bedroom with this guy in the middle, handcuffed behind his back, crying, sitting there going like this and everybody going, it's going, it's going to be okay. It's going to be okay.

I mean, it's not, you didn't do it, man. He did steal the $25,000 from. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He admitted that. He said that. He didn't take that money that Jeff must have took it and forgot about it and put it in his truck or something. Like, but now everybody's so scared about going to prison for the rest of their lives over this shit that everybody's like, even though we were in the right, everybody's just like trying to appease them. You know what I mean?

And I'm just sitting there like, you got to get me the fuck out of here. But again, I don't have a driver's license. I didn't drive there. I'm stuck. And I'm like, this is fucking, I can't wait to get out of here. This is insane. Now we just involved Chris's girlfriend, right? Who's a stripper?

In this, she's going to want to know. She was there for the, she was there for the lie detector test. And then just got sent to the Army Navy store in West Palm Beach to buy handcuff keys, right? And now has to drive to Jeff's house where we're all meeting up to go hunting. Right. And I'm like, so now there's like way too many people involved. And I was just like, we're fucked. we're fucked.

Ended up, you know, right before the keys got there, it was like, all right, man, I promise I won't say nothing. Guys, you know what I mean? I'll sign whatever paperwork you want. Just give me some money and all this kind of shit. The handcuffed keys, somebody went outside, got him from Chris's girl, uncuffed him. His hands looked like they were about to fall off, right? It's been hours. This is at like noon.

Now it's like four in the afternoon. I'm the last person in the bedroom. Everybody else walks out. And as we're walking out, I look down and in a laundry basket is a 45, right, pistol. And I'm like, so I reached it, pull it out, and let a few go into the ceiling. And I was like, remember what we talked about.

This stays between us, right? And everybody was, yeah, hey, yeah. We all went downstairs and the dude's like, dude, what the fuck happened to my truck? My whole fucking inside of my truck's taking off. I'm like, sorry about your luck, bro. I took like 100 bucks and threw it on the floor. I was like, call fucking locksmith.

I don't know what the fuck could tell you. And I drill out of there and never fucking look back and tried to never talk about it again. And then, shit, three, four years later. That's right. I got to rest for that four years. later. Let's go back because right now you're still at the first clinic. Yes.

How long are you at the first clinic before you guys realize like this is a, this is a fucking mistake. Like we got to get to a bigger clinic. Like this is a problem. This is started March in March by we stayed there all the way until August. And when when by the time we're at August, okay, seeing a hundred, hundred a day. 100 people a day. They have the entire, the patients, when I say they, I mean the patients, have the entire neighborhood in Wilton Manors

on Oakland Park Boulevard from Andrews to I-95 just being held hostage. They're destroying the entire, I mean, they're eating and running at every restaurant. They're ODing in every restaurant, convenience store, they're having sex, pimping hose, stealing in parking lots, they're passing out, they're overdosing, they're using drugs, they're destroying the bathrooms everywhere. Everybody's pissed at us.

They're going into like that, like they're going into other businesses and saying, hey, can I use the restroom real quick? And going in and then doing and then passing out. So then the owner comes like 20 minutes an hour later, knock. in the door, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and the guys packed out on the toilet. Yeah. Needle in his arm, all the whole nine, blood spurts everywhere. So at first, when we first got there, you know, we made friends with everybody in the neighborhood, all the other businesses, right next to us.

Literally, we shared a driveway with a Christian radio station. Oh, horrible. Right? So these Christian radio station people will come in for their shift at 5.30 in a morning or whatever. I know you usually have a morning show, right? You got a morning show, a midnight show, whatever it is. And all of it, 70% of our patients were from Kentucky, West Virginia, Ohio. They would drive down 18 hours, 20 hours, 22 hours, get there at 3 in the morning,

four in the morning, whatever. She's pulling a parking lot and camp out until we open in the morning. And they don't know any better. they're not spitefully, they'd have to be idiots to like be spitefully causing problems with these other businesses, right? Because

all that's going to do is draw attention to them. But they just don't know any better. Right, right? So the late or the early morning show would show up for the Christian radio station and there's three people in sleeping bags outside of their old car.

There's two people fucking in there in the car. There's two other people, fucking in their bushes. Somebody took a shit on the on the sidewalk. There's needles all over the place. They pissed everybody off, you know? And then I start, at first it was funny to me, right?

And then it started to piss me off. You know what I mean? So like I had a good relationship for the first three, four, five months with the patients, but then they would cause, they would cause me so much grief. You know what I mean? And I'd be like, why can't,

In my head, I couldn't accept the fact that they were junkies, right? And they have a junkie mentality, right? And, like, I just couldn't understand how you couldn't act like a normal person. But I like to get fucked up, too. Right. But not every single move that I make is a fucking shitbag. You know what I mean? Like, dude, control yourself.

Right. Don't shit on sidewalks. Right. are we fucking talking about the end of the world like don't shit on sidewalks that's it right but you guys used to call them zombies or something because i mean i call them all kind we call them zombies bangers like i you know me they just wander around me for a while i just make up i everybody's got a nickname you know what i mean like so every day it would be something else we went through so many phases of names and all that kind of stuff and it it started to get really

but so much money that was coming in. It was like, so at a certain point, probably six, eight months into it, like Chris, you didn't see him anymore, right? He just didn't want to deal with him. He didn't want nothing to do with it. Diana would want it to deal with the pharmaceutical companies and the MRI companies and stuff like that.

So it was basically left to me and a couple of my friends to deal with all the patients and the interactions and the paperwork and all that kind of stuff, you know. and um but i mean we still i remember that the news crew came and wanted to do an interview with us and we're like what in the and this is at the first clinic this is at the first clinic this little shitty place it was that i think it was after the um

after the pill billies go home the picture of them all waiting outside so we get there literally get there 7 30 and there's 60 people lined up outside It goes down the front of the building, down the stairs, down the driveway, and around a corner blocking the Christian radio station, literally standing there nodding out, scratching her neck, smoking cigarettes, drinking aleates, mountain dews, people falling down. Like, we would get that and it'd be fucking, you'd see the crowd start to stir as we pull up, you know. You'd be like, I can't, well, this is getting crazy. You know what I mean? It was a lot to take in, you know?

And the film crew showed up. Yeah, so the film, the news, they did a piece in the Sun Sentinel, front page of Sunscental, all a picture telling what's going on here. And at this point also, that had came from all the neighbors calling and being like, what the fuck is going on here with these crazy people. So the TV station sees it And they want to do an interview And we're like We're oblivious We're like, what?

You want to do an interview with us? I'm like, yeah, Chris, do you want to do an interview? He's like, yeah, come in, right? So they come into our little area It's like a little 400 square foot area, right? Just a square. You got Chris on this side, Diane on this side,

refrigerator here, a table we were basically grown children also all of our toys cans of mace brass knuckles throwing knives throwing stars kids clubhouse

normal normal medical clinic stuff right just this is a joke you know what I mean like we were at this point six months in we're like there's no way

they're going to let us stay you know what I mean something's going to This is just, it's crazy money, right? Something's going to happen. The cops are going to come and we're going to say, I don't know, man. I just work here, right? Right. I don't know.

So they want to do an interview and we're like, whatever. Chris is like, yeah, come in. And he's like sitting there basically at a desk like this. This is basically a, you know, you buy this at a office furniture store type desk, right? There's a laptop open, probably something stupid on the screen. He's got, we had some kind of stupid party. There's like balloons floating behind them.

You know what I mean? If you cans of mace, big cans of mace sitting on the table, mow the dog, the pee-pee and poo-poo pad on the floor, beer cans, Diana with her tits out, right? tits like this, right? And I'm sitting there watching Chris do the interview, and they're asking him about pain management and stuff. And you could tell he's like, all this is is a business to Chris.

I buy the pills for $1. I sell the pills for $2, right? Just a blip, you know what I mean? And they're like, so why do you feel that there's a need for some place like this? pain is a big problem right now. I'm just doing what I can to help the situation out. Like the people are looking at each other that are filming and I'm like,

oh my God. And Chris is looking at me like, you know what I mean? It's just about people helping people. Yeah. It was ridiculous, right? And we watched it on the news and we were laughing so hard about the damn balloons floating in the background, like a, the building was built in 1920 something. I didn't even know that that area was like developed at that time.

That's how old that. There's no air conditioning. There's no, I think when it was built, there was like a septic tank. It used to be outdoor plumbing at one point, this building, you know. So that was really funny, you know. And so now all the people around us are pissed. We're in a newspaper. We're on TV.

Carmel Kaffera snooping around. People are acting. Like, all of a sudden, people are asking questions that, like, I felt like I was being set up. You know what I mean? Like, all of a sudden, people would walk up to me and be like, hey, man, look. And they'd pull five grand out.

Like, how many pills can I get for five grand? And I'm like, listen, that's kind of like breaking the deal that we have here. I'm an idiot, you're an idiot, you're in pain, you're coming to the doctor. I just work here. Right. Why would you do that? Why would you put me in a position like? We got a good thing going.

You're already coming here, getting 240 pills at $240 and going to Kentucky and selling 240 pills minus the 40 you probably take on the way home for $40. So that's $8,000. Why do we have to push it? Why? Yeah, play the game. What are you doing? Why are we doing this?

Why do you think that we know you've been here twice? You've came for two appointments. You've probably been here a few more times, just bringing other people already making things look suspicious. And then you see me having a cigarette outside, and you feel like we're good enough friends for you to come up and offer me $5,000 for pills, which I would do 15 years for in the state,

180 pills. is like 15, 15 years or something like that. I'm like, dude, get the fuck out of here. You're going, you're not a patient anymore. You know what I mean? It started to get like that. And that was my take on it. Right.

And Chris had another take on it. You know what I mean? Don't trust them. Don't be an asshole to them. Right. Because they're every one, every month. That's $1,000 every month, each one of those people. So don't go looking for a reason to throw them out.

You know what I mean? If they do something, just talking to you isn't a reason. Right. If they fucking rob the fucking podiatrist next door or do, you know what I mean? And throw them out. If they overdose. Yeah. Calls a scene.

They get in a fight with another patient. Don't be looking into it because it got to the point I was getting aggravated. And I was looking. Now I know because the doctors made us start getting MRIs and shit. now I'm like becoming the learned medical professional that I am right now I know what's up right I know about the thoracic the thoracic the lumbar the cervical all the different types of MRIs I got all the the wordage down I even know I even had that damn language at the pharmacist right what you know the E backwards and all that kind of stuff that tell you minus this right

It's like shorthand. You know what I mean? I even had all that. I had it all figured out. And before I had that all figured out one day, I'm sitting there checking people in in the morning, black guy comes in, wife beater, dreads, built, you know what I mean? Like, you know, not huge, but small, very cut, right? Gold chain, pants sagging.

got a white girl driving them right comes in gives me MRI got an MRI look at it they have to have the MRI had to be within two years so every two years you had to get a new MRI so as long as this MRI was dated less than two years ago the review of it I could see it so this is the very this is why I started learning right I was told the doctor said we need to have an MRI CT scan something they told me what it needed to be I didn't know that I needed to read it

and know what that meant right so he hands me the MRI look at it check the dates yep that's a real MRI place plantation open MRI says on there looks good to me fill this out let me make a copy of this MRI

fill it out all right give me your 200 bucks go have a seat now also So mind you, word has gotten around about this place. Right. I've actually had, at this point, I've actually had friends that I haven't seen in 10 years that I met in my time in South Florida show up, not knowing that I have anything to do with it. And they don't have any connections to each other, right?

But they would just randomly show up. Actually, somebody from my hometown in New York, upstate New York, I haven't seen him since he was in seventh grade. and I was a senior in high school, shows up. And the only reason I knew who it was, because I saw the name. And I was like, hey, did, oh, yeah, oh, my God.

I didn't know this was your place. Everybody collectively, all these different people that I knew in the past, haven't seen for a long time, show up here, not by any conspiracy or just they randomly show up, not knowing each other, nothing. Everybody's name for the place was the dope hole.

Right? So the street was calling the place the dope hole, right? I was like, oh, that's pretty fucking cool. You know what I mean? You're like, dude, I didn't know you had anything to do with the dope hole, man. That's crazy. Last time I saw you, you were a plumber. Last time I saw you were building houses, now you run a dope hole, right?

Oh, God, that's horrible. Right? I'm like, wow, that's fucking insanity. That is, that's the beginnings of someone who's going to go to jail for running the dope hole. So what was I talking about? So we're okay so the MRI so the guy comes in the black guy comes in the dreads the whole thing the belt the pants hanging down the fucking underwear hanging out gives me the MRI everything looks like good on it put his file together gives me a 200 bucks have a seat 20 30 minutes hour I don't know how long he was there it was always a long wait got two doctors dr joseph dr gins put his file dr joseph's thing I'm sitting there out there fucking around.

Everybody's checked in, whatever. I get called to Dr. Joseph's office. Hey, he goes. I go in on, what's up, Doc? The guy's sitting there in the chair like this. There's nothing wrong with this guy. This guy could probably fucking kick everybody's ass into place, right? Nothing wrong.

22. Looks like he should be playing in the NBA, right? Right. So, Dr. Joseph grabs a file, brings me out in there. And he's like, what are you doing? I said, what do you mean? What am I doing? Do you even, are you even reading the MRI?

I said, yeah, I'm reading it. I don't fucking have any idea what it means. Right. Right? I'm reading it. This is what he told me to do. I want you to read this, what is it says, conclusion at the very bottom of your MRI report.

It'll say conclusion. I read it. He says, read it out loud to me. It says, um, patient has a, small tear in the uterine wall. And I just keep reading.

Right. What does that mean to me? It doesn't mean nothing if I would have stopped and thought about it. But I didn't think that's where he was going. You know what I mean? I wasn't, I just read it out loud. And he's sitting there looking at me. He goes, he opens the door and he goes, look at him.

I look at him. He goes, is that fucking guy look like he's got a uterus? It clicks with me I'm like Oh shit Right Sorry doc I'm going out here to get a drink

He drank Diet Coke All day I'm going to get a Diet Coke Get him the fuck out of here I go in there I'm like come with me buddy I didn't want to say nothing You know what I mean

I didn't want any beef back there Whatever I said come with me man You're all good We walk outside I let it, we had a magnetic door to the, you know, you gotta get buzzed in. Yeah. You can open it from the inside.

I open it. I close the thing. I go back around to the window. And I'm like, hey, dude, listen, go get a real MRI. This isn't your MRI. You cut and paste it. You know what I mean? I'm like, just go get a real one.

I'll put you with a different doctor. He's like, I was like, you just got me in trouble. I don't fucking know, right? Right. He's like, give me my money back. I'm like, I'm not giving your money back. Like, you saw the doctor. Yeah.

I got to pay a doctor. I'm not giving you your fucking money back. I was like, go get it. I wrote him a script. I had wrote scripts on one of the doctor script pads made like a thousand copies of it. Right? So you gave him a script for an MRI. And a place to go get the MRI.

So I just go get it. Your money's good. Right? But I'm not giving your money back. This motherfucker went off, went and got his boys, came back with a gun. all kinds of shit. He's screaming in a waiting room. I know what this place is, motherfucker.

And the girls are like, Diana's like, we got to call the cops or something. I'm like, whatever, call the cops. And he's like, yeah, call the cops. I'm going to fucking tell him

what's going on here. And this and that, and the cops end up coming. And I'm like, dude, this guy's fucking going out here. I'm like, what, by that time,

the gun was going, whatever. I'm like, listen, man, here's the deal. I said, I told the guys, like,

listen, if the cops come, you're going to go to jail for a fucking fake medical paperwork right right right i'm like dude don't calm down dude but he's a junkie they're not thinking clearly he wasn't this guy wasn't a junkie he was selling the pills you know what i mean what you think he and he was asking at that time in the black community that the few black people that came in there all they know is percocets and all they know is the big ones the 10 650s you got 10 325s 10 650s 10 650s

The $6.35s are a little teeny yellow pill, right? It's 10 milligrams of oxy, 325 milligrams of Tylenol. The 650s are twice the size. They're 10 milligrams of oxy. Their same amount of active ingredient, just more Tylenol in one. But that's all they know. Right.

Right. So I'm like, listen, man, I'm trying to give you 30 milligram ones. Fuck that. I want my fucking person. perks that I want to yell. They call them yellow bombs or yellow banana. And it's like, like I really, like I said,

this is not my world. You know what I mean? Pain pills you get when you go to the dentist, right? I don't know the difference between the greens and the blues. But I know that you got two different types of percocets or you got a 30 milligram, which is no Tylenol. It's just fucking 30 milligrams of, you know what I mean? And trying to explain this.

to them, they're wanting to fight. So, but anyway, the guy, I try to pull him aside before the cops got there. I'm like, listen, dude, if the cops come, I have to give him this paperwork. You're going to go to jail, dude. And he's like, I'm not fucking leaving. You're going to give me my money back. And I'm going to tell the police what this place is. You know what this is.

And at this time, too, the cops didn't know what it was. Yeah, we're a licensed clinic. What do you talk about? You're showing up here trying to jip, and you handed us a fake medical MRI with your name saying you've got a uterus that's got to tearing it. Stop being fucking stupid, dude. I'm not going to give you your money back. And by this time,

he's caused such a scene. The cops are underway. Dr. Joseph comes out and he's like, give him his fucking money back. And I'm like, at this point, I'm not fucking giving him his money back.

Right. I'm not giving him his money back. I ended up giving him his money back. I'm like, get out. out of here. He's like, fuck that. Cops are coming. Fuck that. Okay. Okay. Go outside. I ended up holding

him outside with a can of mace. Stay out here till the cops get here. Him and his girl. He's driving a old cop car. Right. Right. And I'm like, this is fucking ridiculous. Stand him out there. I got him at fucking Mace Point. And the cops come. And of course, they take him over there. And I'm like standing there. They want to see our

medical license and all that shit. I'm talking to him and they're like, well, what happened? And I'm like, listen, this is what happened. He slipped, his paperwork slipped through. I didn't want to tell him that I'm a fucking idiot. Right. I'm like, somehow his paperwork slipped through. He should, you know, he's got a cut and paste MRI, whatever, like an hour goes by,

whatever. They go, well, we're going to arrest him. Do you want to trespass him? And I was like, yeah, I guess. So they got him to back to the cop car. And I had to go over there and tell him. They told me his name or whatever. And I had to, there's a whole thing you have to do to trespass somebody.

Right. And I, and I'm like, I do that. And I'm like, dude, you are the stupidest fucking person. Over $200. You're the stupidest fucking person I have ever met. Don't ever let me see you again. My boys are going to come. He's still screaming.

His boys are going to come shoot us up. All that. I was like, oh, my, dude. So from. then it kind of got like, all right, we can't have scenes like that all the time. So I got to start up in my game and knowing what I'm doing. Right. Right.

I've had people hit me, pull knives on me, this guy, all this kind of, like it doesn't bode well for getting doctors for inspections from the pharmaceutical companies, drawing attention to the police, from the police, all that kind of stuff. Right after that is when now the complaints are rolling. into the police, right? They start harassed. The cops still don't know what's going on, right? They just know that a bunch of people

are coming here from out of state. They're causing trouble, right? They're getting calls all the time. And the cops are just, at this point, the cops were just like me when I started there. Like, they don't know what the fuck is going on. They have no idea what the fuck is going on.

What's going on here? It looks legitimate. These people are coming in. They've got medical papers. paperwork, they're paying a fee. They see a doctor. Everybody's license. What's the issue?

So, and then now, you know, cops got called a few different times. But I noticed that they like started, they would make stupid statements. Like the cops would come and I'd be like, someone would call it cops because I kick somebody out or there would be a fight or something like that. And I'm like, look, man, here's the deal. This guy's doctor shopping. I have proof here that here's the file. He's doctor shopping.

I just don't want them in here. I don't want to arrest him. Whatever. Just whatever. And they'd be like, what the fuck is the problem with Dr. Shopping? This is the cop talking to me. And I'm like, oh, my God. And then Chris would be standing behind me and he would fucking flip out.

He hates the police. Hates, like Chris and the police, I don't know what it is that he's that stubborn, but he always thinks he's going to win in a confrontation with the police. And it never, right? You're not one in that. Like, I've seen. literally seeing cops directing traffic and do something that he doesn't like

and he'll fucking stop the car and get out and yell at the cop. We're telling him to stop or to go or whatever. You know what I mean? I was like, dude. But anyway, so now we've had a few confrontations of the police. Now the police are putting, they're investigating now, right?

Now they're pulling people over when they leave and harassing them, pulling them out of the cars, asking them questions, wanting to, you know, just giving people, trying to scare them out of the neighborhood kind of thing, right? Chris wasn't having that, you know what I mean? So a couple days of that, and I remember it was my birthday.

So it was July 25th. And, no, it was a little after my birthday. Dr. Gatton's quit on my birthday. Dr. Gatton's quit on my birthday. Just couldn't take it anymore. I just said, I'm just... No, Dr. Giddens had her brother as her assistant, right? And he would come to work every day and just sit there and watch.

And after a couple months, I started noticing him looking at price lists, looking at invoices, all this kind of stuff. And paying attention to how many people we saw on a day doing the calculation. She saw 35 people today, $75 a patient. they charge 200 the pills he Chris gives her $2,000 a month to use her medical license to order the pills we just got in 12,000 pills right right they're selling for $2.000 I see him doing these calculations she randomly comes in and quits one day they set up their own place right across the street we had billboards on I-95 and it's

turpike um one mile east of i 95 on oakland park boulevard they went a half a mile east of i9 you know what me so not only did they steal our business model now they're using our own advertisement to steal but whatever for whatever reason there's never we walked in one day i saw it open right didn't know it was her. Me and Chris walked in there. Like, who the fuck is this? And it was her and her brother. And we were like, whatever. You know what I mean? Whatever. No big deal. Because she did something.

Oh, we got a, the DEA came in and did it. Or no, the health department came in and did an inspection. So when the doctors were writing their scripts, they wouldn't fill the script out if you were filling in-house. They would just write on it. They take their script, right? 180 Roxy Give me the file I would take the file

Give it to Diana Or whoever was in our little pharmacy area You got the whole file So she has all their information It's not on the script Right has all their information Punch it in a computer Print out the label

Fill the script Give it to the people staple the script That's not filled out into the file Put the file back on a file file cabinet. So we knew next time they came what they got, but no names on there, right? So it's just signed scripts with the amount of pills on there, with the doctor's signature. She was leaving that up to me to fill that in, and I didn't know. Again, I had no idea. So the health department shows up

one day. Wants to go through our files, go through our books. We let them go through there, and I see him pulling all these scripts out, right? No idea what the problem is. He leaves. A month later, they show up with a complaint from the medical department against her. She got ended up for all those scripts that she just signed and didn't fill out completely. And she lost her license for 30 days, 60 days, something like that. So that was like a catalyst for her leaving. And as soon as her license came back, she opened one up right next to us, right? but uh so let's go back to when we had a move so the cops are really putting pressure on us right

they're even sending um the fire department in to check occupancy right they're sending the firemen and trying to shut us down because of the handles on the doors they can't be a a knob they have to be a lever right stuff like that and like just giving us a hard time trying to shut us down for an hour while I go to Home Depot. Right. And get a lever handle, right? There's not enough journals or there's not enough.

You know what I mean? Just dumbs, there's no eyewash. Right. In the bathroom. You don't have up-to-date safety kits. Your, uh, our, uh, first aid kits. Your, uh, fire extinguishers expired, right? Just shit like that.

And the cops pulling everybody over. They leave our clinic. make a U-turn to to go back to 95 and the cops would just wait for him to make the U-turn pull him over, pull him over.

One day Chris had enough jumps in a car with some patient that's all fucked up on pills, right? And pulls out, the cop sees Chris get in a car with him,

right? So he's like, oh, I got him. They're going to make a deal or something, whatever. I can imagine that's what the cop does.

So, but Chris is already on the phone with a lawyer, has the lawyer on speaker. cop pulls him over they start arguing chris is saying harassment i know my rights you can't do this can't do that i'm on the phone my lawyer i need your badge number i want your lieutenant here all this shit the cop's like shut up and hang the phone up well i do my investigation because you're uh

whatever it's called impeding impeding yeah yeah chris doesn't the guy just arrest him tells the other guy get out of here arrest Chris right he goes sits in Broward county jail for the night pick him up get to work the next day oh you know business as usual like it never happened he went right from jail to work by 10 o'clock he was like all right we're moving this was a thursday went back to work on Friday I just got a new place four or five miles from here we're moving over the weekend don't make any plans for the weekend different county no so we were on that was Oakland Park, we moved three miles to Cypress Creek Boulevard to a huge, it's like a double E. It's like a business park, right? The building shaped like two E's put together

butt to butt, right? So, you know, they have offices like there was like some kind of computer office. There was like 100 people with customer service with a desk and a head for, you know what I So he rented a place that was occupied that was going to people were going to be leaving. But he told the people that we had to have some place in the meantime. And they said, well, we got this smaller, say we were renting 12,000 square feet. We got eight over here that you can move in temporarily, right? So over the weekend, we literally built a triage. It was just a giant, no offices, no nothing.

a giant warehouse like carpeted, air-conditioned place. We went to Home Depot and bought panel board and two-by-fours. Nailed them to the floor, put the panel board on it, move all our chairs, bought another 50 chairs, and we were open on Monday morning. And then it just blew up even further. But now, instead of being like on a busy street, we got unlimited parking, right? Tons of parking, but just all businesses.

Insurance company right next to Ours was all state, right? Allstate office, just a little satellite office. Next to that, we're not talking customer service, but not in-person customer service businesses. Right. These are all call centers. Yeah. Right.

Insurance, they don't get customers. Right. It's all whatever. So we moved in there over the weekend. It was the beginning of August of 2008 or something like that. And then it just, we were seeing, call it 100 patients a day for the first six months. Within two or three weeks of being there at this huge place, we're 200, 220 a day. Just could not, if I didn't stop taking patients in, at a certain time, we'd be there all night.

every night, we could be open 24 hours a day. That's how insane it was. And it was literally, when I say we built the walls at a panel, you know that material that's like in between plywood and cardboard. It's just used a little teeny nails. Yeah. Right? That's how it was.

On one side, you'd see the panel board. On the other side was raw two by fours. Right? So we made an L shape across the middle of it and set doctors up in little. We moved to the second office after those issues. It's like at that end of the first office when we had, you know, started having issues with the police, the neighbors, the news, all that kind of stuff. It like got stressful, you know.

And we got the new place and we're busy, the triage looking place, you know. It got like fun again for a little while. You know what I mean? Like we were fucking around all the time. just, you know, drinking at the office again, not really worried. Just we moved and I knew it was eventually going to be a problem with all the neighbors, you know, just because, again, how fast it was growing. Now we're up to 160, 180, 200 people a day, you know?

And I'm looking out the window, you know what I mean? I see what the fuck's going on out in the parking lot. And, you know, again, we're adult children, you know, instead of hiring. real security guards, you know, we're hiring the homeless guy on the corner that comes and washes his cars with newspapers. You know what I mean? Put a staff shirt on him.

He shows up in sweatpants, a cowboy hat, our staff shirt and cowboy boots. You know, no teeth in his mouth. Give him a walkie-talkie that he doesn't have any idea how to use. He just fucking yells at it. It's,

you know, it's, it was fun though what i'm trying to say is again it was fun and we were doing fun stuff you know that's when we started we needed more employees so we started doing the uh put the ad on craigslist send picture only i know i know all of a sudden somebody must have read my book are something along those lines and now they're claiming all of a sudden all the stuff that we did 15 years ago now that's what everybody else I don't know

clout chasing or whatever they're doing is telling these stories but we put a receptionist needed for a busy pain clinic no resume needed picture only and

the only reason that you know just that's how we were you know what I mean it was it was fun we were making a lot of money just fucking around buddies hanging out together you know we're taking it seriously because of the amount of money but you know there was no it was weird because there was no pushback you know what I mean like well the cops are are once we moved oh oh for like once we moved it was like you got a few

yeah we had a few months it was just on you know what I mean just fucking around we're hiring new doctors and having fucking food fights and throwing Chinese stars at each other and um just basically fucking around have i hired a bunch more of my friends you know what i mean to work there um it was just like a boys club and we decided to uh you know let's get some hot chicks around here so we can fuck them at work and shit like that and uh so that's what we did we did uh send picture only and we would go through them and pick out the guy i mean the women would some women would be like what the fuck is this a modeling agency i thought it was a doctor's office right and then other she can't work here right and like no picture they would send that email and then the next one would send us a fucking

shoot with her in it and then another one it would be a uh hawaiian tropic shoot um modeling pictures and then you know you get some other ones what the fuck do you need email my picture for, you know, whatever. So it wasn't like we fucking spent, it was just like a funny thing, you know what I mean? Just whatever. We'd look at a couple every now and then, and we'd set up interviews, be like, all right, you know,

we'll set up Tuesdays and Thursdays. We open at 7.30, get everything open, and then we could start, you know, fucking with chicks from 9 to 11 on Tuesdays and Thursday. So we would pick out a couple, good looking women and set up the interviews. We have like two, Tuesday and two Thursday or whatever.

And whatever. We hired a couple of them. You know, it was just, it wasn't anything. It was just whatever. But where that comes into play is the fact that that's kind of where we realized we were being looked at by the feds. Because on, I just met. two girls on a Tuesday, our,

our, say, call it Tuesday. I met with two girls, whatever. Me and Chris fucking joked around with them, whatever, got their phone out, whatever, whatever, whatever, however it worked. And then on Wednesday morning, we're opening up, and by this time, I hired Tito, the 400-pound Puerto Rican as a security guard, to go along with a

homeless cowboy, um, who I, I hired him because when I was hiring security guards, they were all showing up with their fucking pants tucked into their fucking boots and their mag lights. And they're, you know what I mean? They're crisp fucking uniforms ready to crack heads on all the patients that

I'm like, dude, these guys just aren't going to work here, you know? Right. And I hired Tito who showed up in a full security guard uniform. The thing was the bottom were Wacking Hut. The top was top flight security. security, you know, all black pants with a gray, black pants with a gray stripe on them, a red shirt with a yellow stripe on it with top flight security, a hat, a whistle. You know, 300 pounds had to take a bus from Miami to get there.

You know, he was more interested in the free lunches. You know, I was like, this guy's perfect. Again, I'm a golf cart. He sits out there. You know what I mean? Anyway, Tito came to me. Like, we open at 7.30, so 7. I'm there.

I had the security guys come in early to keep the patients occupied and kind of under control in a parking lot. I didn't want the police there or any complaints before we even opened, you know? And he came and said, hey, Derek, one of the girls is here for the interview. And I was like, dude, it's Wednesday. There's, I don't have any interviews today. That's Tuesdays and Thursdays. See what are you talking about? I don't know.

She's out here. Says she's got to set up with you. She's here to see you. And again, it was like, it was right when we opened. So I would never, it would be 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock, whatever, once I got everything. I'm like, whatever. He kept bothering me. And I was like, fine, Tito.

I get up and I go into this little, we had like a little break room. So the building, you could go, the front entrance was here, back entrance was here. When you go into back entrance, there was like a little. reception area right and we use that for like our breaks and shit whatever to eat lunch we set up a buffet on the on the table and i'll go back there and there's 40 something blackish Jamaican scars like the whatever they do i don't know the tight not tight but long um dreads yeah dreads but like you know like the Bahamas style. You know what I mean?

Like, braided. Yeah. Yeah. Like, not just let it go. Right. You know,

little. And I'm like, can I help you? And she was like, yeah, I'm here for the interview. We set up an interview. And I'm like,

looking at her. And I'm like, we hired her fucking 18 year old escorts and strippers. Right. You know what I mean? I didn't, not saying that she was bad looking

or anything like that, but it's not what we were, we wouldn't, Chris wouldn't have done it and I wouldn't done it. I'm like, I think you got something screwed up. I'm like, nah, and she was arguing with me about it. You know what I mean?

And I'm like, listen, kick rocks. I'm not hiring anybody. I'm like, I don't know what you're doing here, you know? And she again said, what is this? A fucking modeling agency? She made some kind of slick comment like that. And then also made a slick comment about all of the employee, the only people that were there, really, in the back where the door she went was

the employee cars. So you got Range Rover, BMW, Mercedes, Corvette, you know what I mean, just Lexus, and she was like, and what is going on here with these, something all about the nice cars,

you know what I mean? They're all high-end luxury cars. Something along the lines of nurse practitioners or fucking nurses or something like that. And I was like, whatever. We're in, here, out the other. That's it. Whatever.

I never thought about it. it again and mind you this is the beginning of the new office we're having fun we're just fucking enjoying herself bringing refrigerators full of beer and all that kind of shit how there's no stress right we got all the room we need you know i could keep everybody inside it's fun it's fun again um the very next day so say it's say that was a wednesday on Thursday Tito comes back in 730 Hey Derek

That lady's back again And I'm like What lady? The lady that said she had an interview yesterday And I'm like well get rid of her He's like I can't She brought her friends with her this time And I fucking turn around and look

And it's her And like 15 DEA agents With their fucking badges out Sitting there I'm like oh shit she goes shut it down you're closed for today this is an inspection and I'm like wow okay get all the doctors out here right now and I'm like the doctors don't call me until I ate there's just me it was like me Chris like three of the three or four people that worked all my buddies right what I mean and a couple of the chicks that we actually hired

you know what I mean and they're like round everybody up we want everybody in here I need to see your IDs. One of the girls that we hire was like, fuck you, pig, I ain't showing you my fucking ID. I'm fucking, her family was gangsters from New York or something. She's telling me, bro.

Fuck you, I don't fuck with the, I'm like, oh my God. And they're like, come in here, sit down, we're going to interview everybody,

shut the pharmacy down, open up the safe. They had all this paperwork and all warrants and shit. You got your DE agents that are dressed like, administration administrative types

in suits and ties and then you've got DE agents that are dressed like me or dress in corduroy barrel like they just came from a fucking corn concert you know what I mean the hair the fucking hat on

just spread out and I think maybe one or two doctors were there like setting up in their little makeshift offices and they're like we need all a doctors out here and I'm like, fuck, I don't want them to talk to the doctors, right? You're going to lose the doctors. Yeah.

So I'm like sneaking around, bo-bosher's, um, Enoch Joseph, maybe one other, maybe Dr. Silk got caught up in it. But then I snuck out the door, right? I was like, oh, I'm going to get the doctors. I went out the front door and grabbed my cell phone and started calling the other doctors. Dr. Blitz, the Dresgers started calling. I'm like, don't fucking come in. Right.

Just do not fucking come in. I snuck back inside. They had everybody separated at Chris in one room. They had me and all my guys in another room. And then they were taking the doctors one at a time, like four people, four DEA guys, to interview one person, you know, one doctor. And then like with me and my guys like to. just regular staff you know it would be like two of them they

bring in a room and stuff and I got the one girl fucking locked herself in the bathroom was like fuck you I'm not coming out I'm not giving you my ID I'm like oh man you know what I mean and it kind of like calmed down and my girlfriend at the time she was the pharmacy tech

she's the one who filled all the scripts and she had a daughter so she would come in a little bit late because she had drop her daughter off at daycare so I called her I'm like don't fucking come in here. You know what I mean? Because they're going to fucking go after her too. You know, I was afraid she was going to fucking crack.

You know what I mean? She's got her fucking, took a six hour class online to be a pharmacy tech, you know what I mean? Kind of deal. And I'm like, do not fucking come in. So she didn't come in. And then they're trying to get, she's the one who had the keys to the safes and stuff. And they're like, where is she?

We need, I'm like, I don't know, man. I can't get them fucking safe open. I don't know what to tell. I don't want them going in it. You know what I mean, I don't have any idea what we don't have, we haven't been keeping any records. I mean, who knows who's been stealing and, you know what I mean? I don't know what. So eventually I had her come and give me the keys and like meet me. Right.

Around the corner or something. I stuck out and I got it open. They were going through there. They're in there talking to Chris. Got the doctor separated. They put, oh, now first day, I didn't, again, I don't have a driver's license. and I'm on felony probation, not even supposed to be in Fort Lauderdale, right?

So the first thing they said to me was I need to see your driver's license. And I said, I don't have a driver's license. They go, that's kind of funny, Mr. Nolan. We saw you and like, how do they know my name? You know what I mean? They were like foreshadowing that this isn't random. You know what I mean?

That's kind of funny, Mr. Nolan. You don't have a driver's license. Yeah, we saw you pull up in that brand new Mercedes about 30 minutes ago. From across the street, we saw you. Well, are you driving without a license out of the county you're supposed to be in and on felony probation? And I was like, oh, look. And I'm immediately going. Sounds bad when you say it.

Yeah. Immediately I'm going, okay, how much time am I going to probably like six months, right? It's going to be probably a month for the violation or probation. It's all as it is is violate. There's no felonies here. You know what I mean? All this is like three violations of month apiece. Probably be out in like four or five months.

And I'm like, ah, man, I guess, you know what it is? Here's my ID card. You know what I mean? I'm like, it is what it is. Fuck, you got me. You know what I mean? And how do you have a Mercedes? You bought a Mercedes by then?

Yeah. Yeah. Because you're making pretty good money. Yeah, yeah. It's actually Jeff's gave it to me. It was Jeff's. I bought it from Jeff. so yeah it's not registered to me or nothing like that you know so then again i'm like

they fuck they know my name or whatever so uh eventually it like calmed down a little bit right and they were just going now they're going through files right and we're all sitting there all the pay people just keep coming the front doors locked the whole front parking lot's full of people out there like fucking pacing and scratching their neck and falling into seizures from fucking not having there of Xanax and I'm like holy shit dude um it got to be lunchtime and uh we one of the fun things I guess that we always did to keep them calm because we had a guy that would go to the movie theater and video fucking movies right pirated pirated movies right and put them on a DVD and so these people would come down from Kentucky and I don't know at that time

Batman with the Heath Ledger Batman yeah right the dark the dark night Rambo the new Rambo where he's in Cambodia or whatever the hell it is um we had those movies and I would play him on all day like every two weeks the guy would come back and sell me another thing of brand new movies that they those fucking people ate that up you know what I mean it kept them calm while they were waiting to see the doctors they're awesome so like calm down a little bit came lunchtime they had talked to bo bo-bosher's i remember already and uh we were just i was like all right so what are you arresting us what are you guys doing what's what's the plan here and they're like just hang you know how they do it just hang tight i don't know i'm just here backing up i'm doing this

i'm doing that you know what i mean i don't i don't even know what's going on man i usually deal with gang members and and cartels i don't know what's going on you know just trying they're digging they're looking for something you know what i mean and they're just trying to to keep us calm because now it's getting to the point like all right you came in you saw you talked to all of us now get the fuck out or whatever yeah and I'm still looking at the corner of my eye and seeing all these fucking people waiting outside right every every two minutes you guys open you're gonna open everybody's call me the other doctors are called I'm like dude you're making I'm making it I'm when they called me in the DEA called me in to talk to me

they're like where are the other doctors Derek where's uh Dr. Blets. Where's Dr. Cadet? Where is this? And I'm like, I don't know. It's weird. They just didn't show up today. Oh, you know, they make, what, $5,000 a day?

Just decide not to show up and not call, huh? Dr. Soli. Oh, that's kind of weird, right? And I'm like, it's almost like somebody told them not to come in. And I'm like, I don't know what to say, dude. What do you want me to say? So it got like lunchtime. like dude I'm fucking starving do you guys want lunch and I like made a mistake I reached in my pocket

and I pulled out a fucking wad of cash like it didn't even dawn on me you know what I mean I just fucking and it was a lot of money right and the reason I had that much money was because I was about to give Dr. Graham the deposit $4,000 deposit for my girlfriend's tits so he was coming in that day and I had all his cash on me in my pocket and I'm like fuck I didn't I was going to order a fucking pizza that in 2008 was $9. You know what I mean? And I just, I was like, shit. And I saw them all fucking like, you know what I mean?

I was like, damn it. So they got done with Dr. Boschers. And he's like, dude, what do we do? I'm like, I don't know. I was like, you want to watch a movie? He's like, I mean, I guess. So I pulled out the bootleg Rambo. Me and him sat there and watched the whole fucking Rambo movie.

And they were, I noticed they were back in the back. with Dr. Joseph for a long time and then in all about three o'clock they came out Dr. Joseph came out with like four of them behind him and we're like blocking him from us and like escorted him to the door into his car and like wouldn't let him have any contact with us or talk to us or anything like that and they came back in and they were like he's doctor joseph has voluntary surrendered his medical license um to avoid future prosecution um you're free to go about business but um we're taking all the medication in the safe because you don't have it um we didn't know at the time each doctor had had

their own safe so every doctor's medication co-mingled so we're taking it all they took hundreds probably 100,000 pills between the Xanax, the oxy 30s, the oxy 15. We just got on a delivery and a delivery would come UPS boxes, huge boxes of pills that would come, you know, two, three times a week we had something like six different distributors and each doctor is allowed a certain amount of pills based on the size of that distributor. So one distributor, medical arts, may allow 6,000 pills per week per doctor, right? And then you got another may, it wasn't Pfizer, but just say Pfizer, right, allows 16,000 pills per doctor per week. Or, you know what I mean?

So we had all these coming just every day, another delivery for six different doctors, 20,000 pills per doctor from this one company. And then the next day it would be the other company. And that's how we really got head and shoulders above everybody else because we had so many different pharmaceutical companies that would, were willing to do business with because Chris would sit on a computer all day, researching and trying to find and contacting the people and setting up relationships with them. And money was always there. And so that's why we were so much bigger than everybody else

and we're allowed to grow so much because the money's not in a $200 first visit. The money is in buying a Roxy30 for a dollar and selling it for $4. Right. 240 at a time per person, right? That's where your money's at. So that was the thing.

So then they took, emptied our safe out. It was a big gun safe, ball of pills. Sting how many pills you could fit in a gun safe. They're this big, right? Emptied that out. out. And so they took Dr. Joseph's license. They scared him. He's the only one that they scared, right? Said, listen, if you sign this, sign your medical license over, then, um, uh, we don't have to worry about future prosecution. Right. That means nothing though. You know what

I'm saying? Like that, like that, like that moment, that's just, um, some, some FBI agent. It's funny. Like, like, like my ex-wife gave up her mortgage license. because an FBI agent said, oh, well, you're no, you know, well, after this investigation, you're no longer not allowed to have a mortgage license. You might as well let that go. You'll never get another one. And so she let it go. And I'm like, you were never prosecuted.

Everybody else kept their mortgage licenses and everything. You were never prosecuted. And she's like, but that's what an FBI agent told me that doesn't mean anything. They're just assholes. Within three months, that doctor was calling wanted $10,000 from me. he could fight to get his license back. And I'm like, dude, you sold us out. You voluntarily gave it up.

You sold us out. You cost us. I think we figured it out. It was $200-something thousand dollars in pills, our cost that they took. So multiply that times for us. It was a million dollars in pills they took that we can't get back because they scared him. And now he's calling me saying, and I know he's been here for close to a year now. Right.

making probably for the first couple months, $2,000 a day, but by now he's probably making $4,000 a day, right? For six, eight months and you need $10,000 for me. He was like, I knew something was. So 300,000 times, 200-some-odd working, that's over six. On average, that's over $600,000 in a year. Yeah. I mean, those doctors were making, I think they figured it out.

they were making like three to four million dollars a year. I mean, whereas you're at an ER doctor, it's a salary of $120,000, $120,000. Yeah, yeah, doctors don't make. And again, I'm sure there are doctors that make that kind of money, but legally, yeah, they have so kind of specialty where they have a brain surgeon. Small hands that can work on infants, hearts.

Yeah, if you're probably, so if you're working on like, If you're like a spinal doctor or you're, what do they call, they've got doctors that do cancer or your, like those kinds of. If you're saving people's lives, if there's nobody else on a planet that can do what you do as a doctor, then you're making that kind of money. Plastic surgeon, even a great post surgeon,

maybe making half a million. Maybe a million if you're in Beverly Hills. You're not curing. I always said this like, dude, we're not curing cancer here. We're not doing any fucking experiments. We're not, there's no placebos in here. You know what I mean? What are we doing here?

So, yeah, then everything kind of got hectic again. After they left, they took all that shit. And then another one of the doctors who avoided him, Dr. Blentz, he quits. He's like, I'm done, I'm done. But remember, I was just explaining to you about how you order the pills, right? So he quits. and never comes back, we've already got like three weeks

of six different companies, distributors worth of pills, coming for Dr. Blan's. Right. They're already on the way. It's already scheduled out and the orders are coming. And there's no real record of him.

The only record of him working there is the power of attorney. He signed over to Chris to order the pills for him. Right. And Chris still has it. Right. So, after that literally the next day say it was Thursday

Chris like we're moving this weekend I found a place up the street right so we're there August to December right that was it four months there he found a place on the airport right up the street on Cypress Creek that little private airport there we move get that thing built on the airport or near the airport property oh okay right at Cypress Creek and power line. All right. Okay. Which power line is jog down there.

It's job. You don't know what I'm talking about. You don't know what I'm talking about. No. Okay. So on the airport. On the east coast of Florida, everything's a grid.

Okay. You know what I mean? They're the same roads from West Palm Beach all the way down to Fort Lauderdale, basically. It's just a checkerboard. You got six roads going north-south, six roads going east-west, right?

Right. So, again, we moved like that. It may have taken maybe another week or something like that this time. We moved again, moved into another place. And this place was a little bit bigger, a little bit different design. This is where I brought the ice cream truck because we had a, we're closer to, we're closer to civilization here, right?

Right. But we're on airport property in like an industrial thing. things. So there's a bunch of offices where people actually go. Right. Roofing companies, car dealership, like, there's people around, right? And we had our own parking lot for our office that was chain link fenced in. So I had to have somebody out there in a morning directing people into the fenced in and park a certain way because the cops we're now driving around looking for at-of-state plates, right? So I'm trying to counter that, right?

And by now we're like into the MRI phase where the MRI companies are warring to get our business. To get our business and sending lunches and this and that. So I also used that fenced-in parking area for Pete and another MRI. I think it was called plantation MRI to bring their mobile units. This is where the mobile units came in. I was like, all right, I got this fenced in area with a bunch of parking.

So bring the fucking thing and park it in there. And people will come in. They won't have what they need. I'll give them a script. They'll walk outside and in the parking lot, get their MRI and come back in. Right.

So again, that wasn't anybody else is who likes to read my books and study everything about me and try to, become me. I don't know why they think that's ever going to happen, but unless they're, I don't know, whatever.

That's what we did. That's not, and this is four years before anybody else was even doing the pain clinic thing, right? So we had that going on. So we had two different MRI companies in our chain league fenced off. We're actually fighting. We're competing.

at the pain clinic for MRI use, right? Trying to keep everybody under control. We had a Mr. Frosty ice cream truck that would come to the other office. And I was like, I had to keep these people inside. Yeah, yeah. Right? So, but they're always,

oh, I need something to eat. I've been waiting here for three hours. I'm diabetic. I'm this, I'm that. I got to go outside. They're just going outside to shoot up or smoke or whatever they're, it's not for any. reason other than it's not for any good reason yeah maybe one in a hundred is for a good reason right

so i was like all right should i get a damn hot dog cart right should i do this should i do that i mean there was days and weeks that i would order a hundred pizzas and be like listen here's all you have your own pizza just stay in a fucking place right don't go outside so i made a deal with the ice cream truck. I had a big giant ice cream truck, all soft serve ice cream, pretzels, all that kind of shit. So literally the first day I'm there, he shows up at 11 o'clock. Everybody goes outside, gets an ice cream cone, comes back inside, whatever. I have lunch. The doctor starts seeing patients. One of the doctor says, Derek, is it Ash Wednesday? And I'm like, no, I don't even think it's Wednesday? Why? What's going on? Why does everybody have a brown dot on the middle of their

forehead? And I'm like, what? I don't know. I'm like, whatever, not paying too much attention to it. Then somebody else says, I go to bring some people back and I see bringing back 10 at a time, and I see three of them have a fucking brown dot on their head. And I'm like, wonder what is going. I probably, I went to Daryl, one of the guys at the window. And I'm like, dude, there's something, why does everybody have these dots on their heads? And he's like, like, I don't know, man. So I stood back and I'm looking through the windows out there and everybody's got vanilla chocolate swirl soft serve ice cream cone sitting in, licking on their cones and doing their five second nod outs from being so high. Dipping their foreheads into the ice cream cone and being

so fucked up, they don't even realize they do it because you literally go on conscious for a minute. Right. Right. So they took so many pills that they, they're dipping their fucking heads into their ice cream combs don't even know it, go through a whole doctor's appointment, probably a drive back to Kentucky. Right. With fucking Mr. Frosty on their fucking forehead

and never even realize it. And I was like, well, there goes Mr. Frosty idea. No more fucking ice cream for, no more ice cream for the patients. We'll just get a new vending machine with, uh, get some extra large snicker bars or something in it.

I mean, just insanity. How long is that clinic? That clinic lasted for two months. Two months. After two months, that was right before Christmas, right? We were there for January, February. On like March 1st, we get there, and there is cease and desist paperwork.

on the door, when we get there in the morning, medical facilities are not allowed on Fort Lauderdale private airport property. You have to close two day. So we called the attorney and we got a 30-day extension, 30 days to operate. I mean, you really can't just do that. We had at the time probably 25 employees, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. We have all of our licensing. Yeah, have everything. Yeah. And it is the medical. You can't just keep people from getting medical. Yeah. So they couldn't shut us down. You let us come. We got 30 days and we're like, and the heat was on. I was getting pulled over almost every day with no fucking driver's license. And they're letting you go. Yeah. And I knew that's when I knew. I was like, oh, man, you know what I mean? They're in trouble. They're not just,

they're not just letting me go. They have bigger. They have bigger. And they're always searching and stuff. Yeah. And like we even tested it one day. We had an empty sales. safe, big safe, and threw it in the back of Chris's range over, and he drove out. They were watching. Saw us put the safe in there. He didn't even make it out of parking lot when they swarmed them and wanted to search it. And he held up. He held his, he used his rights.

You're not searching that fucking safe. They held them there for like two hours. And finally, we're like, all right, we got to let you go. We can't do nothing. So it was like, all right, it's time to go. And we got to get out of Fort Lauderdale. So that's when we went to Boka. What about just closing?

Yeah, does that, too much money? Is your, what's that? What about just closing the doors and say, listen, this is not a, this is not a viable business model. I'm feeling like we're going to, this is going to go bad. I mean, there were so many times where it's over. It's going to go back and nothing happened. You're just waiting for it to go bad. You're like, why don't we just go all the, they can't do.

Like, we're starting to be. 200 miles. We're invincible. I'm like, they're throwing everything. got at us. Oh, okay, okay. And there's nothing. Yeah.

They got nothing, right? Like, they come in and I'm like, what do that sound like? I'm sitting. You become emboldened. Every time you get over a hurdle, you're like, I'm that good. When they came to the DEA raid, when 15 of them came in and shut us down for the day, right? First of all, at the end of the day, when they finally left at 3 o'clock, I was like, we're open.

Right. And 200 people came in. And we stayed there until 10 o'clock at night to make sure everybody got soft, right? but when they came in dude they're like looking at me and they're like what the fuck dude what is this and look up the ceiling is covered in Chinese stars and throwing knives

they're stuck in the wall from throwing knives and Chinese stars at each other there's fucking remote control cars and helicopters that we would fly notes into the rooms that Dr. BC and a doc patient and we go in with a big foot remote control car crash into the door, run the doctor's feet over. I mean, insanity.

Fucking chicks in an extra examination rooms. I mean, the refrigerator full of beer, shots of patron. I mean, the break room had the whole ceiling was covered in tortilla shells with sour cream on it because we had a bunch of extra from a buffet one day and just decided to put sour cream on a towel tortilla shells. and throw them on the ceiling, probably a hundred of them stuck up there. You know, they were like, what the, you know, and nothing, right? They held everybody up. They took this guy's medical license.

They took our pills. And two hours later, we made all that money back, and we're right back in the ballgame, right? So why shut it down now? Now everybody's in deep. Now we got a ton of employees. Everybody's got new cars, new houses. Everybody's life's changed. We're having a great whatever.

But again, it was got to the point where it was like stressful a little bit, but we're spending money as fast as we're making it too. So you can't. All right. We're not going to go out on a low point. Right. So the next office was Boca Raton. We made it there a year.

We don't, right on Magut Mile where all the fraudulent stockbrokers offices on, right on A1A, between Linton and Yamato, right there. Right there on a day, right next to an Italian restaurant. It was an old capital carpet place. Every one of your neighbors, I feel that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The guy, the funniest one was the all state insurance,

all state or state farm insurance guy, right? After, this is location to, after, I don't know, two months of finding people OD in his baths, Blood spurts on the wall and just people walking in there, you know, like a lollipopin or rotten teeth. I, yeah, I need to get some car insurance. Whatever. They're just looking for a break or somewhere to use a bathroom or something and sit down at the desk and they give him his information. Can I use your, he thinks he's getting a client.

Right. Can I use your bathroom real quick? Go and use a bathroom and then run out the door and run in. I mean, right now at doors here, there's four inches between our doors. Right. run out and run out of his and into ours. And Petito came to me, the security guy, he said, hey man, the guy from next door wants to talk to you.

He's real upset. I'm like, okay. And I go out there, and a guy, he, like, gave me, like, a breakdown of his just regular life. Mm-hmm. Right? And how he hated it, too. You know what I mean?

And he was doing the whole, robbing his hand through his hair and going very stiff. Man, things didn't work out. I went to college. You know? Didn't, I didn't become what I wanted to become. But I got a degree. What am I going to do?

Open a fucking insurance agency. Got a wife. She's fat. Three kids. Fucking man, he's kicking the ground and rubbing his hand through the hair. Drive a fucking minivan. It's a fucking good one. You know?

top of the line rated regular life man open up my own insurance office after answering to somebody for fucking years man things are start going good then you fucking guys move in here dude and I'm like sir I'm sorry what

why are you talking to me about this I mean I know where it's going you know what I'm playing dumb I got I don't know and he has literally come and got me like five times to get people off his bathroom floor. He's like, don't fucking look at me like that, man. You know what the fuck I'm talking about, man. I don't fucking need this.

And he's like, like, he did something. I think it was like how we accentuated the knee this. You know what I mean? Like he was a, it reminded me of this girl I used to date that was pretty unstable. And like when she got her period or something and her eyes would start rolling around in it. Like when she was really unraveling. I loved watching it so I would twist the screws a little bit

on top of it, you know what I mean? Just like, what you're gonna fucking do? You know what I mean? So that's when he did that thing. And I was like, I don't know, you know, just kept twisting a twist until he fucking snapped and just fucking started screaming and carrying it.

I couldn't take it anymore. I laughed so fucking hard right in his face and I was like, you know, for like five minutes. And then I was like, I'm sorry, dude. I'll do whatever. Do you feel better? You know what I mean? That you got it off your chest?

I mean, there's nothing I could do about it. What do you want me to do? We're going to be moving soon. We're supposed to get an office down at the end of the street. And that was another reason we ended up moving because we moved into that place, built the triage, thinking we were going to get three offices down, double the space. But in those two or three months that we were there, they canceled the contract and we're like, you got to go.

You don't got to go right now, but you're not getting another space. Right. So, you know, like I said, we moved into that one. That one lasted not long. Then to Boka. And like, that's what we were so confident that we hadn't been in trouble, right? Yeah. That the heat that was getting put on us, it didn't even bother us anymore.

Right. It became part of the fucking. We were just fucking with the police, right? like one, they would park. So there was A1A, a side road, our office, and an Italian restaurant. And it's a little side road, residential, and then another office right here. So back here is all houses, just like strip malls going down outside. This one's got like 10 things in it, right?

Laundromat, this, that, whatever. Across the street, you got, we called it Habib. It was just a, you know, like, you know, like a 7-11 type thing. Yeah, but like not a brand name one. You know what I mean? Like the guy with the turban on in there, right? So everybody, where are you going?

I'll go to run over to compete. So the cop, they would do all these tactics. They couldn't do nothing. They could get any warrants. Couldn't do nothing. So they would do like these scare tactics. So they would get there at like 6.30 in the morning and park five cop cars in our parking lot to think that that was going to scare the patients away.

Right. They, are they would park in the parking lot in the driveway of the parking lot directly across the little side street from us. So, I mean, I would go get there in a morning and go not going to be like, get the fuck out of a parking lot. Right. Can't be here. We got a warrant or something like that. This is where you're interfering with business. You're taking up five parking spots.

I got a place that can occupy 240 patrons. These are my parking spots that I pay for. These are the parking spots that that restaurant pays for. You're interfering with commerce. get out of it, you know what I mean? Just we had it all knocked down. So then they started parking in the driveway of the parking lot next door. Chris has a brand new BMW M6.

I have a brand new Mercedes, CLS. Chris says, the cop won't move. I go talk to him. He won't move. Chris goes talks to him. He won't, still won't move. Chris goes, get in your car, drive around a block real slow. and he is in the the cop is sitting in the out lane there's an in and out of the parking lot right

okay so he's sitting there parked in the block blocking people from getting out so you have to go around him right he goes drive around a block real slow when you get there turn into the parking lot so you're going past them right okay i got a hundred twenty thousand dollar car Chris got $120,000 car. I go in, Chris is behind them and hits the gas, goes around the cop car,

and smash into each other because the cop was blocking the exit. So, illegally, so Chris goes around it and wrecks both of our cars to prove a point to him. And again, no driver's license.

Right. Right. So actually I had just got my driver's license back and got off probation. I got a work license. And I just got it back. So I have a work license now. Right. And I'm trying to explain to the cop.

Yeah. I'm working. Like I don't want him to know that I work at the paint clinic. I told him I worked at the dry cleaners. And he's like looking at me. He's like, a pretty nice car to work at the dry cleaners, you know? But yeah, it's just the ends at, uh, That's just how cocky everybody was and not worried about it.

And we were there for a year. And that's when it was 250, 260 on a slow day. People coming in, six doctors going all the time. That's when the doctors started fighting over patients. And it got stressful again. You know what I mean? It got like to the point where it was like, oh, man, I don't even want to fucking.

And that's also when, all the other pain clinics started people started seeing what we're doing most of them were just fucking patients of ours that were like folk this I don't want to fucking I want to own one of these places so they would steal our business model

try to use our advertising against us the jerkoffs from Jacksonville that stole the patient list through the MRI company whatever their deal was um So it became like, like, dude, and I really, me, I didn't give a shit about it. But Chris would get, oh, there were his patients.

You know what I mean? And I handled things one way. Chris's way of handling stuff was, we'll sue him, right? He was in lawsuits with everybody. Ex-doctors, his brother, other pain clinics, all these lawsuits. And in my mind, I was always like, dude, you're like giving depositions and stuff, right? like aren't we just giving whoever's investigating that like that becomes public

I don't know right I would think that it would become some kind of public record but they can certainly get a hold of deposition yeah I don't know exactly but you know you're talking about things and you know like we're talking uh what's that called uh when you're stealing somebody like you work for somebody and then you steal their patients what's that called it's uh theft of something anyway

Yeah, like that kind of stuff, non-compete. Chris always had people signing, doctor signing non-copate. And he's always suing them for that. And we're talking. And like, it gets to the depositions. And those guys are like, yeah, I did that because he's making me do unethical and illegal thing. You know what I mean?

I'm like, they're going to say the same thing every time. Yeah. You know what I mean? Whether it's true or it's not true. He's like, well, it's not true. And most of the case. If enough people say it, it becomes true. so like I said me and him had two different ways of doing things right and um I would go destroy their

offices go beat the shit out of people do all that kind of you know what I mean um and that was his way doing it and it just I don't know which was worse but um yeah so that it started getting shitty again and um so we're there for like about a year when the um Jacksonville situation happened. I came into work one day, and all these patients kept coming up to me and asking me, thanking me for the call that I made to them,

and asking when the new office would be open. And I was like, I don't know what, what are you talking about? I never called you. I don't call anybody. What do you mean? And they're like, yeah, yeah, you called and said,

you're opening up an office. It's going to save you six hours, round trip, drive. You know, we're coming from Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia, wherever, and you're in Jacksonville, as soon as you come over the Florida line, we're right there.

I said it was you, you know what I mean? You know, tattoos, the whole nine. And I'm like, whatever, you know, didn't think much of it. At this time, I was beefing with a company called Palm Beach Payne that opened up again right down the street and like a similar address

and was like going in between, us and I-95 and redirecting our patients. You know what I mean? Right. And like coming into our waiting room and handing out. So I'm dealing with them. I destroyed their office.

I beat the shit out of like three of them. It was like a beef with going back and forth between they're calling the cops on us and telling them that, you know, sending the cops into our, just a pain. Shit I didn't want to deal with. You know what I mean? I want to sit at the office. Fuck around. get drunk, you know what I mean?

Five or six beers, it's a big deal. You know, just turn it in one of the dudes at the offices is making a ton of money, right? Way more than like the limit where you're making, you can't pay any more child support once you're paying, right? Right. So he's lying about his income to, and he's making probably a million dollars, right?

And he's lying about his income. I think it stops at 250. They can only go your child support to 250. So he doesn't have to worry about it, but he's still lying and saying he's making $500 a week, right, to his old lady who lives in Missouri or something like that. And I got this bitch down here as a private investigator with disguises and shit videotaping our office.

pretending to be employees of ours going and getting our bank records from Bank of America and turning them over to the DEA. I got all these kind of fucking things going on, right? Who is that? This guy, Ethan, his ex-wife, he had a kid with, Ethan Jr. Oh, she's going down and she's trying to prove that he makes more money. Yeah, she's trying to do that. And she's playing private investigator at the same time.

So she would see Ethan are one of us. somebody go into the bank bank of america right down the street right see him go in there do whatever kind of transaction he would leave she'd run in right after him and be like oh my god the the guy from america paying from south flower plane that's my boss i'm his assistant he forgot to get a receipt for that right they'd be like oh no problem and they'd print out a fucking deposit receipt with or an account statement or something like that and then this bitch takes it and gives it to the DEA right And then the DEA and the IRS.

So now people that work for us, our fucking bank accounts are getting money taken right out of it for not claiming. Like all the employee, like one of the statements she got was all the employees' paychecks. So she turned it in. And now everybody on that roster is under IRS audit. Right? So I'm dealing with that. I'm dealing with the Palm Beach pain.

Dealing with Ethan. At this time, there are a few different people have died, right? Patients. Patients have died. And I always get the call from the coroner's office because they always want the medical records, right? Right. And like I would get, I would be like the middleman between the doctor and the coroner's office and stuff. Right.

And I would be like, all right, send me the information, right? and I will send you all our medical records, right? And 90% of the time I would get to toxicology report back, and it was either a mixture of things or something that wasn't even, we didn't even prescribe that they overdose from, right? But there's probably 50, 100 of them out there that I don't even know about. You know, at this time it was probably five or six. And there was one guy named Stacey Mason that overdose.

I kicked them out and kicked him out. kicked him out of the clinic for having he was a patient like three months he leaves a patient leaves the clinic gets pulled over on I-95 going back to Kentucky cops see track marks all over his arms now I check for track marks

before I let you come in check for track marks the cops call me say he got a script for 180 oxy 30 milligrams it says on here three hours ago I have his pill bottle he's got 30 left. He's got track marks

all over his arm. What are you doing? How do you live with yourself? Selling this? I said I don't have taken that many. I said I don't know what to say. And he's like, well, you don't think he's selling him and using them and probably selling them so he can keep using him. And I'm like, well, if he comes back in here, I will

do an examination and audit his file and question him, whatever. Next month he comes in. That was in July. He comes in for his August appointment. I go in there, I look at him before he even sees the doctor. I look at his arms, they look fine.

I don't see any track marks. I grab alcohol, wet naps, go like this, and all the makeup comes off his arms. And they're just, I'm talking postules everywhere. And I'm like, all right, dude, this is it, bro. Sorry. I'm like, I got a report from the police. You were missing 90 of your 180 pills or more, right? You got track marks.

You can no longer be a patient. filled out the rejection report, put it in a file, put it in the patient file that he can never come back, right? Gave him a card for a rehab type place, which really wasn't rehab. It was just another pain clinic. But, right? So that's August. Right. December, I get a call from the coroner's office and the sheriff's office.

He's dead. All right, right. He has a pill bottle in his pocket from your office. He's dead. Okay. Couldn't mend your pills, though, because he didn't get any more. Five months later. Yeah.

So the last time he was there was July, he got 180 pills. He had 30 of them left on the same day. So now we got August, September, October, November, December. It's five months later. He still has a pill bottle from, it wasn't even the last visit. Right. right so we had a pill bottle in his pocket it was a self-deletion still charged us with that murder like went all the way through court trying to charge us dr cadet went on trial for that murder right

so i'm dealing with all that at the same time you know and then these guys everybody's coming out to me going what's going on with the new clinic in jackson what's going on with the new clinic in jackson These are patients coming in. Yeah. I got all that shit going on. And I was just blowing it off. Like, what do you? These fucking people, they come in and tell me anything to try to get special treatment or cut the line.

All right. You know what I mean? It happens all the time. But after like the 10th person in a row came in and said something, I was like, that's kind of not added up. You got the number that called you. And because they were like, when they were telling me, they were saying that, I called them, you know? And they're like, yeah, a couple of them had the number.

And it was 904, Jacksonville, right? I was like, I don't know, what the fuck that number was. And then somebody got it in my head that it was my ex-girlfriend's father who worked at the clinic and ended up leaving. Like, it was kind of bad. You know what I mean? When he left, like, somebody got it in my head that it was him. And I was like calling him.

And I'm like, dude, is this you? whatever it was like another patient was like oh there's a guy in jacksonville they used to work here Steve he's the one who did that and I'm like nah you know question him I felt bad about asking him you know what I mean so finally I called the number and I was like hey is Derek there and the guy was like yeah that's me and I'm like this is Derek from American pain he's like yeah yeah man guy with tattoos big guy with tattoos And I'm like I didn't know what to say

You know what are you saying? I'm like dude There's probably something Something stupid came out I was like dude I'm there What the fuck are you talking about And he was like oh fuck you I fucking I'm taking all your business I'll burn your fucking place down

This and that I'm like wait what's happening Like it took me a minute to put together What was going on And I was like all right man That's cool Yeah bitch don't fuck with me I got money too he said and I was like, okay, dude, all right, let me get off here.

Because now I'm mad. So now I'm got to figure out who the fuck this is and what's going. Everybody's tough guy on the phone, you know? So I went to Chris and we started talking about it and trying to figure out what was what. Did something cross-reference the phone number with SunBiz, the 904 SunBiz number, came up to a name, Zach Rose, looked into the corporation and found out there was a corporation between Zach Rose and Pete, Parkinlot Pete, Tinsdale, the guy, the MRI guy.

So kind of put it together that Parkin Lot Pete was in business with somebody who was opening up a pain clinic and he sold all of our patient list to this somebody or just became partners with them and is using our patient list. You know what I mean? Didn't really know exactly what was going on. So again, the whole story that I heard from these Jacksonville people that when they're on TV, I mean, not a single drop of their story is true, but they're saying that it was a call center and we didn't know about it.

One of them knew about it. One of them didn't know about it. It was a call center, set up a call center with like 40 people to call all these patience and this and that. That's a lie because that's how we found out who it was by the phone number. We put the phone number into SunBiz, and it came up to the dude's personal phone. Right. Right.

So, yeah, whatever. I don't care, you know. So I called the dude back, and I was like, listen, man, don't be an idiot. Just tell me who gave you the list. You know what I mean? It is what it is. just I don't know what's going to happen now and it kept on talking shit back to me and I'm like at this point I don't care I was like all right whatever dude I'll let you deal with Chris so the next day that was

on my way home from work that day and the next day I went into Chris I was like listen dude here's the guy's number this is what's going on you let me know what you want me to do you know what I mean you want me to go handle it I mean I've been dealing with these people people just like this for the last three years right Whatever. It's no, it's annoying, but everybody always gets dealt with. So I left it at that. Now, Chris calls, starts calling the guy and tells him he's me, right?

He doesn't say I'm Chris. He says he's Derek. Right. Multiple times. And he's got it on speaker and a recording device. So he's recording the whole thing, the threats back and forth and all this kind of shit as me right so i don't know maybe a couple days now this was in the middle of october a middle of november and we found out that their place opened december 13th so there was like a couple

weeks in there where they were like arguing and deciding whether chris is going to decide whether he's going to sue him and fighting with pete tinsdale and checking zach rose out whatever all this shit I'm out of it by this time. You know what I mean? Just tell me when it's game time and I'll go handle it, whatever. So the weekend before the 13th, 13 was a Monday.

That weekend, like maybe Thursday, Chris was like, how much to burn a place down before they opened? I said, 50 grand. He said, done. So I went and I got my materials,

right? And my brother was coming in, he was in college and he was starting his winter break. Right? So like I was going to go up there on Friday. Take care of it. Pick him up. Come back. Whatever. It's done. Friday at the end of the day.

I was going to go up there. Do it at like 3 o'clock in the morning. Right? Feed back. Different cars. Different license plates. The whole thing. Whatever. Cover my tracks. and Chris calls me off Listen man I already talked to the lawyer

We just got to get some evidence Of collusion between Pete And this guy Zach Rose I know that Pete is going to Be there With his trailer So I just

You know take the day And like just go up there And snap some pictures and shit You know I mean And the lawsuit's gonna Whatever I'm like whatever dude so Monday morning me and my brother I was like yo we'll just go like they got a big ass mall

and all kinds of shit it's almost Christmas time we'll go up there just fuck around check it out take some pictures we'll go fucking Christmas shopping for everybody you know what I mean just whatever make a day out of it I don't I don't think I'd ever been to Jacksonville at that time you know I got cool we go up there I watch him open I'm looking around but I can't they got the trailer so it's like block in the front door so I can't get any like pictures. So I'm like, my brother,

I'm like, listen, man, just go get an MRI. Right? So go in there, tell him you want to be a patient, but he's only 18. Okay.

I'm like, go in there. Say you want to be a patient, fill out the paperwork, give him the money, go get an MRI. I send him in there. I give him a couple hundred bucks.

I'm like, I don't know how much it's going to be. Go in there, just fill out the paperwork so we can go get an MRI. Right. Right. Tell him that you're going to see the doctor

or whatever. He's 18 years old. take your driver's license and again these guys are saying that they know all of us we know each other they don't know my fucking name right so all they know is my name is derrick i have no idea who these people are i've never seen them my name is derrick nolan my brother's name is kevin nolan right right so if they know us right and we've had dealing with they know you know what i mean so he goes in whatever they take his money and then they try to rip him off like they let him get an MRI and then when he goes to see the doctor like oh you're not you're not 21 dude uh come back

at the end of the day and we'll give you your money back and then they like pulled them in a room and like started but he did that he went and he got pictures right he takes pictures and all this shit pictures of p whatever and uh they pulled them in a room and like i mean he's 18 years old he probably whip all of their asses in there um but they you know they like threatening them. Like something's fishy about you, dude. What's going on, man? What is that 18 year old from South Carolina?

He's like, dude, whatever, man. I'm a collegiate soccer player. I'm hurt. I wanted to pay pills. You can't see me. You can't see me. You're going to make me wait to get my money back. You just can't go, oh, we put the money in a safe, this kind of thing.

You just got to come back at the end of the day when we open the safe. Whatever. And he leaves. And, I mean, the story that I'm hearing, right? is that they saw Jeff and Chris pull up and an S-600 silver Mercedes and all that, and they'd know them and they knew that the beef was going on and all that. Those guys were 600 miles away. Right.

There was nobody around except me and my brother. Maybe you thought something was suspicious, but you don't know anybody. You didn't see anybody. It's all everybody, I mean, I just, making way more of it than it had to be. I should have just burned the motherfucker down on Friday. And we won't even be in this situation. I called Chris.

I was like, look, man, I got pictures of the place. I got pictures of Pete outside. I got pictures of Pete inside. Whatever. We're going to come back. And Chris is like, oh, no. Should I come up there? And I'm like, dude, for what?

You know what I mean? I'm not fucking, it's broad daylight on a Monday morning. We're right in the middle of Jacksonville. What? What do you want me to do? And he's like, I'm fucking coming. I'm coming up there. I'm gonna fucking handle this.

I know they fucking, I know what happened. He's got my list from Pete and this and that. I'm like, whatever, dude. See, so he's, he's, he's, you know, he's teetering between being like a, handling everything like a spoiled, like a rich kid, right? Like you sue and being a wannabe gangster. But then when it really comes down to it, he doesn't want to be a gangster. You know what I'm saying?

He doesn't want to do those things. I mean, when he, when he, when he, finally got there, right? So I was like, all right, whatever. I'm like, listen, I got my brother with me too. I'm not, it's just what it is. So like, we were my brother, we went and watched a movie, fucking went, did some shopping,

went to a bar, had a couple beers, ate some chicken wings, and then he, Chris finally shows up, and he's got his friend, Chris Hudson with him, who is, I mean, he's just a scammer. You know what I mean? He's not intimidating. He's not.

It's like bringing me with you. I wouldn't insult you like that. So, I'm like, whatever. I'm like, what do you want to do? And he's like,

I'm just going to go in there and fucking talk to these guys about that. I want that fucking list. And it's too late. I didn't know it, but he had all kinds of evidence on this guy, Zach Rose,

for Dr. shop. So he was basically going in there to extort the guy, Zach. I didn't know any of this shit, right? So I'm like,

dude, listen, man, don't fucking cause like a big scene. And it's broad daylight. We can handle this another way, another time. If that's the right, you want to go. Whatever.

I got my brother with me, dude. Right. So we had my car, and he drove up in his brand new range rover with Chris Hudson. So I'm like, tell my brother, I'm like, here's my keys. Go park down the street. Right? I jump in a car with them. I said, we're just going to go in there.

These people aren't going to give us the fucking list, whatever. It's just going to be an argument. We're going to leave. And then something will happen at another time. So me, Chris, Chris, pulling in a rangeover. Get out of the car. So Pete comes walking out of his trailer and Chris sees him. And they start fucking arguing and screaming back and forth.

And all this in the parking line. I'm just standing there like whatever. And Chris doesn't even have a relationship with Pete. I have the relationship with Pete. I'm the one who handles all that. And he's yelling at him and all this shit. And I'm just standing there like, whatever. and Pete's like trying to back out.

No, you don't understand. It's not like that. Whatever. I just do MRIs. I just go where people are doing MRIs, blah, blah, blah. Chris is like, fuck that. You motherfucker. And he goes inside.

And I'm standing there and Chris Hudson follows him in it. I'm standing there with Pete. I'm like, dude, you fucked up. We got you. We got the Sunbiz. You know, your partners with this person. I don't know who this person is. We've been doing business for a couple years.

You guys may have butted heads a few times. whatever. I'm like, all right, man, let me go make sure this is all right, man. I'll talk to you. I walk inside and I see Chris standing there yelling and taking his watch off. And the guy, Zach, I don't know what his name is. I'm told it was Zach, right? Standing there and he's got a gun on top of a desk with a book over top of it pointed at Chris. And Chris is yelling at him and he's like, oh, fucking yell at you. I walk in and Chris Hudson's standing in between us. I take about three steps in, and I hear it, and I turn around,

and there's this doofy-ass dude standing there with a pistol in my face shaking like this. The guy Chris Hudson says, my aunt is PBSO, Palm Beach Sheriff's Office. Okay. I say, dude, pull the trigger. I'm going to take that and beat you with it. He runs out the store, turns around, no words were spoken between us, no conversation, no nothing. It was 12 seconds of a gun shaking in my face. I didn't even see his face.

He runs out. I look out the window. I see him run to a pickup truck, throw the gun in a pickup truck, run to the next parking lot, get in a car and drive away. as I turn around to walk back as I see Chris and this other guy Zach going into a back room everything's calm down now the girl's in the back and some fucking one-armed

freak wearing a nurse's outfit so one of their buddies only has one you got a little fucking nub something like that are there they're calling the cops and I'm like all right but I see Chris and him

going the other way. I turn around and I about trip over a little baby, literally like a toddler, one to two year old girl. And I'm in the middle of a fucking pain clinic with about 10 junkies sitting there. It's like five in the afternoon. And there's me, Chris Hudson, a couple junkies. That's it in a waiting room. The police are on the phone. And there's a little baby there. and I think it is one of the junkies. And I'm like, whose kid is this? And some girl from the back in her little scrub uniform goes, that's my daughter like you care whose kid it is.

And I said, well, obviously I care. I'm not going to trample over a little kid. I wouldn't have fucking said nothing if I didn't care. And I picked the kid up. The girl came running out and fucking took the baby and went in the back. Turns out, that's the guy who had a gun to my head's daughter. who big tough guy put a gun to my head got scared because somebody's uncle or aunt was PBSO and left his little daughter with the big bad gangster that's how fucking tough this guy is how scared he is

so i was like okay and this is all on video from their surveillance cameras by the way right so by the time i walked outside which was two minutes later there was about five jSO officers there wouldn't let me leave. I'm just trying to leave. Just trying to leave. They want my driver's license. I won't give my driver's license. I'm trying to leave.

Trying to leave. All they were doing, it was just a stall tactic to get us to stay there so they can investigate everything. Sat there for an hour. Finally, I said, I'm fucking leaving. Went to leave.

They grabbed me, put me in handcuffs. My brother came up. My brother was still sitting in a other parking lot. My brother came up. One of these fucking. jerk off screams that's the guy right there they lock my brother up throw us me my brother chris and chris hudson all got handcuffed put in four different cars and driven in four different directions what you what would you let's say you're that's the guy your brother

yeah i don't know what one of these fucking probably the one-armed freaking weirdo junkie bag that was there said that because my brother was in there so they just recognized him yeah so he was I don't know. They obviously assumed that he was with us or something. So the cops grabbed him, grab me, Chris Hudson, grabbed Chris George, put us in four cop cars, drove us in four different directions, about a mile away. And now it's six. They left us there until midnight.

Right? We sat in the cop cars till midnight. Then they came and got us, drove us back there, and now there's detectives everywhere. The whole place is closed down. All these fucking. jackoffs inside their pain clinic or looking out the window going doing all this shit inside the window they've been sitting there writing reports

on us telling all kinds of bullshit whatever for the last six hours and I see a detective walking around listening to something and I'm like what the fuck is he listening? I'm like what is he doing? And he's going out. Oh yeah, oh yeah

And he's fucking high-fiving the other detectives and shit. And I'm like, what the fuck is he doing? Sitting there watching him, watching him. He comes over and he's like, who's Derek? And I'm like, me. Get out of the car. He's like, this is your one chance to fucking cooperate. I'm like, cooperate with what?

Am I under arrest? What am I cooperating with? What am I doing? I didn't do anything. And he's on a kid. He pulls out the thing he was listening to. It was a recording device that Chris was recording the conversations with when he was pretending to be me.

Right. And they're on there back and forth between him and whoever, threatening each other. I'll burn your place down. I'll burn your place down. I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill you.

I'll shoot you. I'll shoot you. All this shit. I'm like, dude, that's... Pretended to be me. You know what I mean? So he's like, you're done. You're all going down for extortion.

No bond. No bond. Took all four of us to jail. We had to sit there, sat there for a day before we saw a judge. Jacksonville has done. no cash bond.

So you got to see a judge. So he sat there for a day. I'm pissed because I got my little brother. He didn't do anything. He doesn't even know what the fuck's going on. Right. So, and they separate us.

He's the only one they separate. They separate my brother from the rest of us, right? I'm fucking pissed now. So the next day, like two in the afternoon, we go before a judge. We've had, we have already hired the top attorneys in Jacksonville

and so we hired them. They're there waiting for us at the jail, at the bond hearing at the jail because they're demanding no bond. The detectors are there. And you can hear them in the judge's chambers. We're like in this little room in the jail. Judges chambers are right there.

And you could hear them back there screaming, I want these guys under the jail. I don't want them going on. He just drove 400 miles to extort a one of our local businesses. And this is that we haven't had an opportunity to shut down Yeah, yeah For being a pill mill And I'm like

And this is the first day that that clinic opened This is their first day This is their first run at it And I'm like, you gotta be fuck kidding me And then I see my lawyers We each got a lawyer There's a lot of money And they come walking out of the judge's chambers

With like smiles on her face They're like, whatever But the judge comes up and he's like I can't keep you guys here You didn't do anything, right? Right. You know what I mean? there's a suspicion that you did something, but you didn't do anything.

And he was like, it was like, gave my brother $10,000 bond, gave me 50 or $150, gave Chris 200. And the other guy that was with us, Chris Hudson, he's got like, he was on like probation or something. So his was like $250,000, right? And you have to wear a unmonitored ankle monitor. to protect the people from the paint link. So you can't go within a mile or five miles of those people.

Right. So we're just going to put this angle monitor. It's not going to be monitoring you. Right. But if any time we check it and you're within the Jacksonville, whatever, then it's a violation. So we had to wait another couple hours to get those things, put on our ankles. We left, went and got our cars.

Went home. A week later, it was dropped. Two weeks later, something like that, they dropped the whole case. These bitches are calling our office. Don't get us in trouble. We're not going to do, meanwhile, they're writing, doing depositions.

So they're already, they're trying to press charges. I have the ripping. I had, I don't know if I still do, maybe somewhere. They're written statements and their depositions. You know, in a state, the victims and the witnesses go in and record and get it stenographized what they're going to testify to so they can't go to trial

and change their story. Right. Right? That's how it works in this state. So they went and did all that and they're sending my lawyer all these statements that these bitches are fucking

putting on us all kinds of fake show. We came in and we said we're going to burn a place that. I mean, listen, the whole thing took 30 seconds. Right. Right.

The gun got pulled. He ran out the door. Didn't even see his face. Don't even know. You know what I mean? mean all these guys whatever it went on maybe till February that happened the beginning of December by February it was all dropped we got a phone call cut the ankle monitors off and mailed back to us that was the end of the story I didn't hear about it again for three years

until they arrested me and charged me with it in the feds when I was handed all their 302s right that they testified that they gave their statements they gave to the feds I don't know any of their names. I know I got a whole stack of them. But whatever. It's amazing. You know, people out there, clout chasing, they're reading people's books,

reading people's stories, and they think that nobody's going to notice that you're telling other people's stories and changing things around and make yourself look like a tough guy. I just don't, I just don't get it, you know? But whatever. Happened a lot.

If that's what you got to do, man. If that's what gets you at, blow your hair back, knock yourself out. Yeah, so they drop the thing. In that meantime, now we're at the Boca office, the Boca Raton office, and now is when it really came on. Now we're doing 400 patients a day. We got a 6,000 square foot office, six doctors offices.

Is this the new building, the big building? Nope. This is building number four. This is, again, we've outgrown it. We're seeing four in the force. We didn't break 500 for another couple months, but we're in the fours every single day. Again, the neighborhood is on lockdown,

being held hostage by the patients. The less desirable residents of the neighborhood that we're in are subcontracting parking. like you literally have like dirt bag residents okay buying golf carts and coming and charging our patients to park in their park in their yards right and when they run out of space they're having them park in their neighbors yards who are at work causing a whole other like I'm talking everybody hates us hates us right the restaurants are closing during our business hours they see us coming.

They'll lock their doors to their businesses. They don't even want us going in there and having drinks, don't want us utilizing the dry cleaning. They hate everybody hates us. The cops are really crack it. They're doing jumpouts. They are pulling all the patients out of their cars, spreading everything out in the park lot, doing it.

And it's the Boka PD, right? And they're making it very, very uncomfortable for us, not to mention the fact that I just totally destroyed the other pain clinic that's down the street, right? So we're beefing with them at the same time while they're rebuilding, whatever. And it's getting hectic. I got, as I said before, the dude, Ethan's baby mama, like tracking our every move and reporting it to the DA, the IRA. I got cops coming in every day to talk to me trying to get patient files. We arrested this guy.

We need to say, I knew what they were doing. You know what I mean? They would arrest somebody or pull somebody over. That person would have, look, yeah, I got pills. They're legal, right? The cops would then count the pills. It says on there, take one pill every eight hours or every three hours as needed for pain. They would count the pills.

count, subtract from the date that they were prescribed and the prescription was filled, was filled. And if it didn't match up, there was five pills missing, 10 pills missing, or there was a pill bottle for 180 pills with 200 pills in it. They're arresting them. And then they're coming in and they're demanding the patient files without a warrant trying to prove it.

And then I'd be like, no, I can't do that HIPAA kind of thing. They're like, oh, so what, are you interfering with this investigate? Why don't you, you would want somebody coming here that is selling their pills or abusing your pills? Is that what you're trying to tell me? And I'm like, no, that's what I'm trying to tell you. And then we talk to the lawyers. They're like, yeah, just give up the, make them give you a subpoena and then give up, you know what I mean? And try to work with them.

And then the cops are like calling me, asking me, it just got, do you know this person? Does this person have a file there? Does this person have this? And I'm like, dude, listen, I'm doing everything I can. When the people come in before they even see a doctor, I sit them down in a different room and wipe their whole bodies down with alcohol swabs to make sure they don't have puncture and track marks. I'm doing all this stuff I'm doing.

And we're seeing so many people, no matter what you do, you can't kick out all the people, right? We're checking MRIs, cross-referencing references from other doctors to this. guy get a he give you your paperwork see who the referring doctor was call him did you refer him to anybody else because i know you didn't refer him to me right right you didn't refer him to me but he's got a reference from you for pain management did you affirm to anybody else and did you write him a script you know what i mean just i had 10 people sitting at a huge table in the middle of the office with a phone in front of every one of them so everybody that brought in new paperwork they would call and try to do everything it's not to

that we didn't want them, we're trying to make it look like we were doing our part. Right. If you throw somebody out every once in a while that is blatant, then it looks like, hey, we caught what we're trying to catch them. And when I say every once in a while, we're talking 25 a day. Right. Right. I would literally throw, I would spend my whole day, my whole day being Magnum P.I., right,

trying to find a reason to not let this fucking asshole who is clearly not in pain, clearly not taking the medication and wearing a fucking brand new $20,000 necklace. What are you doing here? Right? You know, trying to play it off like he is, whatever.

At the same time, it just got very, we outgrew the place, we outgrew the neighborhood. Chris started looking for a new place. We found the 22,000 square foot old first union remember first union bank it was an old bank branch first union downtown lake worth immigrant neighborhood nobody's going to call the cops unlimited parking fenced in parking lot

the only problem was it had a one-way street between the parking lot and the building going the wrong way for our traffic right and it was that was the only spot that was it was like an easement, a public road going through the private property that we had, and the they had it going this way, we needed to go that way.

Not trying to draw it. No, and there was no houses or anything on the road. It would just be like for a U-turn or a cutoff or something like that. So I went there at night and changed the way the road went. And fenced in and, you know, we put, had a big, it was all fenced in. I went and bought those slats that you can weave through a chain link fence, right?

And hired some Mexican guys from the neighborhood and paid them. I was like, I'll give you $1,000 if you weave these. I mean, we're talking, I want to say it was on three acres. Okay. Right? So the fence went all the way around this thing. You see the thing. We used to jokingly, we would, amongst ourselves in office, we'd call it.

at the corridor building from New Jack City. Remember they took the building over? And it was like, it was, it was that big. It was that ridiculous. We had a gym upstairs. I ordered a UFC octagon to put up in there so we could just fuck around when we felt like it. 22, that's, that's 10. That's 10 of these houses.

Yeah. Unlimited space. We didn't even use all. But it was fucked up. There was only one bathroom on the first floor. There was like one little bathroom on a first floor. The second floor, the bank, when it was a, bank was used for all the administrative employees.

So they had multiple bathrooms. No, they had men, a men's and a women's locker room slash bathroom, like 10 urnals, 10 toilets, 10 toilets, it's a shower. Okay. So I would have to make trips. Like everybody would line up. So that's where I kind of implemented doing more drug testing. So every time somebody would come in, I'd be like, oh, you got to take it.

Before it was like piecemeal. I do like every third person for a drug test. now because of the bathroom situation, I couldn't have these people just running freely through our office. I'd be like, all right, I'm going to wait until I got 10 men and 10 women. And all the women, if you're in childbearing age, you got to take a pregnancy test too, because you don't have how many cops have called me?

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Yeah. So the test is, I'll give you a drug test to make sure, A, you have that whatever we prescribed you in your system and you don't have any illicit or illegal drug, other things. Okay. Right. We made an exception for your first time with grass. Make sure you weren't on methadone because that would be doctor shopping. So if you're going to a methadone clinic and a pain clinic, can't do both. Right. Make sure you weren't pregnant. And that was kind of funny when people wouldn't know they were pregnant.

And I, listen, you got good news and bad news for you. What do you want for? I want the bad news. You can't be a patient here anymore for a little while. Right. Well, what's the good news? Got a bundle of joy coming. You know what I mean?

I mean, what disgusted me was I literally had to be. had one woman say to me, if I go get an abortion, can I come back tomorrow? And I was like, I was like, I don't want you to. I don't want you to come back tomorrow. But I mean, I guess there's nothing I could do if you did. And she came back with the paperwork from the women's presidential center. And I was like, yeah, yeah, man, they're a fucking sicko. and then there was a couple that cried and were like,

I'm hooked on these. And you're telling me I'm pregnant, I need help. And I was like, well, I don't know what to do. Let me, I hook them up with Dr. Cadet and she would get them into rehabs on different

types of drugs to wean the fetus off, you know what I mean? So she did help a couple people. You know, when putting some situations like that, we weren't terrible people. You know what I mean? I mean, I guess we're pretty terrible.

But. So how long were you at the new clinic? So, yeah, so we moved into the big giant office in January. How many patients are you guys seeing? That we were in the 700. There was days that we were in 700 patients a day. And how many staff? Shit.

Every guy had a chick. Right. So Chris had like three. in his office, but you didn't see him much. He was behind the scenes, setting up the deals with the new playing clinics, doing the real estate stuff, doing the deals with the pharmaceutical companies and hiring doctors. You never saw him, and he had like three chicks in his office at all times.

Also, we, Chris was buying up pharmacies because we couldn't get enough pills to sell at the, clinic from the clinic to for the demand that we needed. So we would just go buy mom and pop pharmacies. And when you buy a mom and pop pharmacy, their pharmaceutical license is good for a year with the new buyer. So we would just buy these places and never buy anything but pain kill. So they would be a regular little pharmacy with band-aids and tampons and fucking condoms

and stool softener and all that shit. and we would buy it and never order anything again except oxy xanics whatever and you know within like two or three months the store would be a store of empty shelves maybe like a teddy bear and a mother's day card left and just boxes of pills in the back until the DEA would come in and like shut them down be like what the fuck are you guys doing and then it would get traced back to us and uh yeah so that's what it would do. So how many staff? So 10, 20?

No. I would say 30, 30-ish between the girl. There was six guys at the counters. Right. There was at least another six file clerks. Basically, you come in, you give your money, your ID, the ID gets passed to the file clerk, the file clerk goes, find your file. Everything was paper.

There was no computers. Only our personal computers were at the office. So there was no. So at the end of the day, we'd be like, like, well, let's just pull this roster sheet out. There's how many on that, that's 52 on the roster sheet, pull, uh,

$200 times, pull $10,000 cash out of there. Never happened. Right. Let's go to the casino, whatever kind of thing. Um, so,

yeah, so that, it just got crazy there too. Um, but unbeknownst to us, that's when, when we got that. place and it started that's when uh feds really ramped up there you know if you've seen any of the

movies or anything all them say when we moved into there they were like we got to stop this because it's getting that's how bad it's getting you know and we were getting more um hip to what they were we were more into the counter surveillance stuff too you know what i mean we're like all right we were making our plans around what we thought they were doing you know what we We were like, something's going, you know, high, taking different driving routes, not talking on phones, you know what I mean, this, that. And so that's when they really ramped it up and they went. They had already had Chris's phone tap. They had it tap for a couple months.

They got their search and seizure warrants at the end of February, but they didn't know everything they needed to know to be effective on their search and seizure warrants to get everything. Right. So they postponed. They had the search of seizure warrants for February 22nd. Right. I believe 22nd, 23rd, 21st, something like that to execute, able to execute them on that. But they held up and extended the wiretap so they can listen more, right? And held on until they heard what they needed to hear about where money was. So when they came, 1,000 agents, when they came and hit all of our locations and all of our locations and all of our banks and everybody's house and all that stuff that they didn't miss anything. Right. So March 3rd, they held on, listened, got an extension on our wiretap, listened for another

10 days, 14 days, whatever it was, then executed when they knew everything they needed to know. They didn't think they could get any more. Everybody got up for work. I get up at 6.30. I got up 6.30 that morning, got in the shower, taking a shower. and my phone was going crazy. And I was like, God damn, so many motherfuckers, they can't wait another hour to get their fucking pills.

What the fuck? Last thing I was thinking. I lived in a very nice neighborhood called Black Diamond in Wellington near the Polo Club. Whatever, I got out of the shower. My phone, I mean, it was just nonstop. It rang for 10 minutes straight. Hang up, call again. I went and looked and it was Chris.

And I'm like, uh-oh, what's this about? I remember I was in my towel And I had my suit I was getting my suit ready And uh It was like It's over man The fucking FBI is everywhere

Dude We're fucked And I'm like What are you talking about I'm like looking out my front window Towards the street And the garbage man's out there The birds are chirping

It's beautiful day It's beautiful March 3rd day It's probably 68 70 degrees out Beautiful My kids My old ladies kids down there Eating breakfast Watching it SpongeBob

You know what I mean? It was a wonderful morning. And it's over, dude. They're everywhere, bro. Where are you? They're coming for you. And I'm like, I don't think anybody's coming for me, right? I was like, let me get off here.

And I'm like, well, where are you? And he's like, I'm running. They're at my house. They got dogs, the SWAT team, the bomb squad's at my house. I'm like, the bomb squad. And he's like, yeah, I remember we were making those fireworks? You know, like, yeah. I guess they found the fireworks we were making.

And I was like, wow, okay, they went into his house with a, they opened the door with a robot and went in the house with the bomb suits on because we were making fucking Roman candles, you know what I mean? And again, I was like, okay, so what do you want to do? You want me to, there's nobody here. There's nobody at my house, right? And by now it's like 7.30. I'm looking out the window.

I'm waiting. I'm like, all right, you know what they're probably going to do is they're probably going to, I'm going to get my car and they're going to be, you know what I mean? I'm going to get swarmed or something, you know? and he's like they got to have wire taps they got to have wire taps or something and I'm like oh my go okay so as soon as I hung up with him

all other 30 employees pretty much every one of them called me was like dude I walked out my front door today FBI was standing in front of my house dude I walked outside of DEA was standing outside of my house dude I walked outside IRS was outside of my house they're trying to take money they're doing all this kind of shit I'm like oh fuck

Chris called me back and is like Meet me where every We would always go to this place called McKebs It's a bagel joint They got like fucking Awesome bagels Chocolate chips

All that shit You know what I mean Good stuff Give you lots of cream cheese Fucking nice Sausage egg and cheeses You know It's classy joint

So he's like Maybe where we go to breakfast And I'm like All right So it's right down the road I went them no cop cars no nothing i'm like man i think i'm gonna fucking i'm i'm talking to everybody sounds like a you problem yeah i'm doing fine i don't know what these guys are out to you officer

um like i knew something was weird i wasn't believing them you know what i mean but then everybody else was calling me it was like dude fucking d a is in my yard right now what you want me to do i'm like i don't fucking know what to tell you to do bro i don't know what to tell you so i met him i met Chris and I'm like dude nobody's calling me no nothing they were calling him nonstop like Chris come back to your house we got to talk to you this that he's like dude I got guns at my house I got a fucking idiot Chris Hudson was living upstairs in my spare yeah like it's almost like a little apartment on one wing of his giant house over there that Chris Hudson was living in and who knows what the fuck that guy's got up there you know what I mean nothing would surprise me with this guy up

there and sure enough he had fucking a stolen police gun all kinds of evidence of fraud and timeshare fraud and all this shit in there he's like dude i got three guns in a garage i got all bought by straw owners i got fucking chris hudson shit up there he didn't have any money at his house he had it at his mom's house and he said so while the cops were listening straight to the mom straight to the moms get some money. He's freaking out. What did they seize anyway?

How much? They got $25 million, cash assets, boats, cars. $25 million, right? $25 million. All the bank accounts. Everybody's bank account, everything frozen, took everything from everybody.

I went and I met him, and they eventually left his house. We, like, sat in the parking lot of McKeves. I drank some cars. coffee and um like listen to him when you know i was there when you know all those conversations that they play on all the movies i was with them what you know what i mean they eventually left his house and he's like we can't go back to my house they're probably waiting for me there i was like well his diana was like let's go to the attorney's office and um we met his brother

who was they they couldn't get into his brother's house because his brother's house because his house was a rental and a gated community so they couldn't get a warrant so they waited at the gates for him and they tried i mean are they arresting anybody they're just raiding the house is they're just right search and seizure warrants only no arrest warrants okay so he just come and take all your shit all right right right and um pretty much left everybody broke there was a couple accounts here and there with x amount of money in it nothing substantial not even enough to pay the attorneys everybody's broke scrambling. We went to the attorney's office

and the guy's attorney's like, oh, he's got fucked. You know what I mean? He's like, ah, it's 300 to 300,000 for you. I need 80 for you.

I don't know what your role is. Here's an attorney to call. I'm representing this one. We sat at all day talking about options, what was going to happen. You're like, listen, this could go on. They might not arrest you for two years. We don't know what's going to happen.

and nobody ever called me. No, no DEA agents, no IRS, they never came to my house, they never called me, no nothing, no radio silence. I hired an attorney. He called the district attorney's office, like a week later, and was like, I represent Derek Nolan,

it's the Broward branch, whatever. I represent Derek Nolan, whatever, and she was like, listen, I can't talk to you right now. Your clients are in a lot of trouble. There's a lot of deaths involved. So be prepared. You know, the routine indictments are coming.

There's no, at this time, we're not offering any immunity letters. So we'll contact you. I was like, fuck, dude, moved out. It was out of the house, my house. Everybody, all of a sudden, you know, we were talking to everybody, that day, at the end of the day after me and we, with the lawyers, every employee came to my house. And we all talked and like, okay, everybody,

nobody's saying nothing. If the cops come to you again, talk to my attorney, giving out cards, all this kind of stuff, all that kind of shit. And that was the last day I saw everybody together. Every day, I try to keep in contact with everybody. And like the first day, the next day, start making phone calls.

Two people are missing. They're gone. Their phone's disconnect. A couple days later Then it started being people Higher up close to me My level maybe right below me Maybe on an even scale with me

Gone drive over to the house House is empty the guy at the guard gate says oh yeah They moved out of here at five o'clock in the morning dude Oh man This is bad news dude Went on to the point where I was pretty much much broke. I'm not to say broke,

but I was down to not having much. Yeah, I had maybe six months left of living my, you know, my lifestyle. And I moved out of my big house.

And I was like, I just went to New York. I was like, fuck it. They're going to arrest me, whatever. I'm going to go up to see my parents and shit. I was up there for like a week.

It's hanging out at the, you know, I grew up on, a farm whatever hanging out there and uh like seven o'clock on a monday morning the house phone starts ringing and i'm like what the fuck my parents are sleeping they're older at the time you know i went out there and i looked your your parents your my aunt uncle yeah and i went out and i looked at the caller id they saw a house phone i looked at the caller id and it was a a broward number 954 number and I called it back and it would it answered um FBI you know D.EA D.A. Miami.

I was like, oh shit. I hung up the phone and like two minutes later my cell phone rang. I answered it. It was like this special agent, Michael Burt, the DEA. We need to talk to you. I was like, I'm not there. He's like, I know you're in New York. I'm like, yeah, I don't, you got to talk to my attorney. He's like, what's your attorney's name? He's like, this is your shot. You don't want to talk to me now? That's it.

Everybody's done. Everybody's turned on you, bro. Talk to me. Talk to your attorney. Have your attorney call me. I'll call your attorney. Whatever it is. I was like, I don't know, bro.

Listen, my attorney told me, not talk to you. Tell him, you talk to him. Figure it out that way. way. I hung up, called my attorney. My attorney called them again. And they were like, listen, it was Paul Schwartz, was the head DA, U.S. attorney. Right.

Paul Schwartz. Like, I don't know, real New York guy, short, kind of like muscular, arrogant, cocky guy. called my lawyer and was like, your client is one scary guy. We got him cold. He's going away. He's got one chance. I got him extortion.

I got him kidnapping. I got him drug trafficking. I got him murder. He's done. He's done. This is your one chance. He's got a week to get back here. And I was like, what do you want me to do?

He's like, it's up to you, man. If you go in there, they're expecting you to cooperate. operate. And I was like, well, can't I just go like listen to what they have to say or whatever? You know what I mean? He's like, I wouldn't advise it. But yeah, I'll set it up. Come and listen to what they have to say. I drove back, met up with my attorney. We went in there at like 9 o'clock to the U.S. attorney's office on Broward Boulevard, Fort Lauderdale. And as I drove, you got to park behind it. So it's right on Broward, you drive pass and there's like the fountains and everything's out front.

And like, I never seen any of these, uh, agents or anything before. I never see, I don't, I have any idea what they look like. I don't know nothing.

I drive past. I'm in my car. My lawyer's behind me. And I look over and there's a whole group of people, maybe 15 guys in suits and shit like that. Someone with badges. I mean, like maybe 15,

20 feet off the road, you know, in between the road and the courthouse. And I see them point at me. I'm like waiting at the light to turn to go behind it and park. And I see him point at me and they go like this and they turn around and start walking upstairs. I was like, I wonder if they were pointing at me. Me and my turn, he go park, get out of the car.

And he goes, did you see him? I go, that he goes, yeah, they pointed at you. That's them. That's who we're meeting. I was like, too, there was like 20. He's like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This is going to be fun.

And I'm like, oh, fuck. We go in there. Got to go through the fucking regular metal detectors. and we go up into the attorney's office and we got to go through. This is like a real search. Take your belt off. Pat you down, wand you,

take everything out of your pockets. And I got my bad motherfucker wallet. It says bad motherfucker from Pope fiction. I throw it. They're like, what's fucking wrong with you doing? And I'm like, what do you want me to say?

Get dressed. Go walk into a room, giant room. Huge room. Probably. I don't know. It's like something you see in a movie like Bruce Wayne's conference table.

You know what I mean? Like Dark Night Style. I walk in there. They're all sitting around the table. Just glaring at me. I'm like, oh boy. How you doing? Derek, he says, was near.

I'm like, I've been better. I guess what's going on. I look in the middle of the table are a bunch of binders. Right. And he's like, sit down. And I don't say nothing. He opens it up.

and just starts reading wire transcripts from me and Chris talking. Like one of them, I was like, dude, there's so many patients coming from Loxhatchie. It's like, I got gold mine out here. He was like, did they fucking find, did they strike gold in Loxatchie there? I heard it was a swamp. You know, and I'm fucking talking about shooting cops' windows out with a slingshot, slicing tires, knocking people out. I got a GPS on the people's car, following them around.

When they go to pump gas, I pop out, has them for a light. crack him in the head. Like all the, and I'm just sitting there like, oh my God, my lawyer's looking at me. He's like, you didn't tell me

none of this shit. And I'm like, oh, and they're trying to psychological, the good cop, bad cop, one was climbing over the table, scream at me,

you're a fucking piece of shit. Everybody's going down because you. You're the fucking worst one. You're done. You notice we didn't come see you? Nobody came, we didn't even want to give you a chance.

This is your only fucking chance. And it's still going to be 25 years, motherfucker. I'm like, oh, man. I was like, can I have it? Go have a cigarette? And they're like, yeah, you got 10 minutes.

Me and my lawyer went back through everything, smoked cigarette. And I was like, dude, I'm going to get out of here. And he was like, all right, let's go back inside. We went in to ask, and now a task force guy, he's a local West Palm Beach sheriff, who's a DEA task force. He comes and tries to be the good cop. Yeah. Right? And he sits down next to me.

Derek, I know it's hard. And he's like, he's asking me stuff that I did. I absolutely did. You know what I mean? I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about, dude. And they're like, get the fuck out of here. Get out of here. And I'm like, thank God.

Thank God. I'm like, they're not going to arrest me. Like, no, arrest you. Not now. He was like, this is a reverse, a reverse something where they show you their car, a reverse proper. Right.

Right. And I'm like, okay, so we can, He's like, yeah, we get up to leave. I'm like, sit down. And I'm like, you just don't be like to leave. I sit down and then they start asking me about the Robbie Eddie thing. And I'm like, yeah, I wasn't there. I don't know.

You know what I mean? I heard a bunch of stuff about that. I wasn't there. And they're like, get the fuck out of here. Get the fuck out of here. Got up, start walking out. And they're like, my lawyer's name was Ned Reagan. And they're like, Mr. Reagan, you have 24 hours to bring him back here or else he's done.

That's it. This is your last chance. I didn't hear from them again until they arrested me a year later. It was exactly a year later. They arrested me. Well, I finally, they came and got me and I talked to him and was like, yeah, fine, whatever. How much time? I didn't speak to him at all.

Then Chris told me that he cooperated. I didn't have a choice. We were going to get five years. Chris said he were going to get five years. Five years if you cooperate. He's like, you're going to do. No, not me quiet. He said, listen, all we're going to do is I cooperated.

You should cooperate to. All we're going to do is five years. It's not a big deal. Right. And I'm like, he was in jail. I went to visit him in jail. And he told me this. And I'm like, he's like, oh, and then we're going to get a drug program.

That's going to knock 10 months. You get 50% off. He's like, dude, we're going to be in jail for like two or three years. No big deal. And I'm like, that's perfect. Yeah. The thunder. I'm like, okay.

So I, left. I was going to, when that happened, Miami Heat were playing Mavericks, the NBA finals, 2011. I went, I was like, all right, man. I called my lawyer, and I'm like, listen, I'm going to the fucking heat game tonight, game six or seven, whatever. Fucking going to see LeBron play. Fucking Novitsky, right? And, uh, set something up, man.

I guess I'm going to cop a deal. I'm not telling anybody. but we need to, well, cop a deal. He's like, yeah, it doesn't really work that way. And I'm like, okay. So we went down there again, and they were like, this time they were like, everybody else told, bro.

That's it. You're not telling us anything. There's nothing to tell. So just tell us your story. There's nothing. You can't tell on anybody. There's nobody to tell on. Everybody else has already signed a plea deal.

So, I mean, tell us the truth about stuff. I still fucking lied. I still fucking lied. But I still lied and they were like, all right, 20. I was like, I couldn't bring myself. I was like, fuck. All right, whatever.

And they're like, but, you know, it's 20. So it's not going to be 20. You know what I mean? It could be a little bit, like, you know, it could be around 15. You know what I mean? You're going to get a drug program. You're going to get this. You're going to get that knowing full well that I,

can't get the drug program. I'm not going to get halfway half way. I'm not going to get all that shit when you got a RICO charge and violent charges. You can't get that. Right? So they're telling me one thing. You're getting a year off for the for ARDAP. You're going to get this. You're going to get that.

But I didn't know. At this time I didn't know there was a difference between the feds and state prison. You know what I mean? I had no idea. So they tell it. I'm like, they're like, we'll work it out. You know what I mean? Tell us the truth about this. Tell us the truth about that. they asked me about a couple people that they said we're selling drugs and trafficking drugs

and this and that I'm like, listen, man, the dude, dude's broke, he's just a drug addict. I have it. I have my 302. I'm like, dude, it's just a drug addict. It's like, yeah, he probably sells some pills just to support his drug habit. He needs to go rehab. You know what I mean? We're not talking about fucking Alcabon here.

Talking about junkie, right? Ask me stuff about that. Chris, I was like, I don't know, you know, whatever you know, like, two different sides of this. You know what I mean? I ran the administrative side of it, Chris, or Chris did the administrative side. I ran the office in the people, right? So I never seen them do anything wrong, you know, that kind of stuff. They asked me about the kidnapping.

I was like, I, sorry, man, I just, I don't know what you're talking about. Right. And they're like, all right, we're going to kick you out of here again. And I'm like, I guess you're going to kick me out. they didn't what I didn't know was that cadet hadn't cooperated or she cooperated and then reneged her cooperation right so I didn't know that right but they knew it and they knew that they needed me to get her right so they were letting me they weren't kicking me out knowing that I was lying you know what I mean and uh I was like I just don't know we're gonna kick you out and they're like

all right, you know, last time it was, last time we came in here, we were a little rough on you. You know what I mean? It turns out you didn't do as much. You know what I mean? You weren't as bad as we thought you were. And, you know what I mean? If you're saying, you never did this.

And I guess we got to believe you. You know what I mean? I'm like, yeah, whatever. And they're like, okay, well, they still didn't say nothing about cooperating. They asked you about Dr. Cadet. And I was like, yeah, man, I feel real bad about that.

I really conned her. You know what I mean? She, uh, I was really complicit in Connor. She's really naive. Oh, man,

did they get mad when I said, you know what I mean? I thought she already took a plea bargain. Right. I was owner of the oppression. So I was like, yeah, she's really naive.

I mean, she's such a nice person, whatever, you know what I mean? This is fucking rough on her, dude. Like, I really went out of my way

to make this easier to keep her around, you know, if she would have saw some of the thing and they were just getting madder and fucking matter and matter and matter because they just blew it. You know what I mean?

Right. that's a 302 yeah i just said it i can't unsay it right dr cadets attorney's getting that paperwork what i just said they uh they were like all right you know what i mean this looks like no 20 um you uh looks like we'll we'll do a deal for 20 we'll see what your PSI all that shit comes back to. I left and I was like, holy shit, 20. That's a lot more than five. Right. And they said a meeting then they wanted me to sign a plea bargain. And I had a couple days or a week or something to think about it. And I talked to my attorney. I was like, dude, I'm not signed at 20. Get me 10. Right. Get me 10. And I'll sign it. And he went and had a meeting with him without me there. And they did

their own calculations before the PSI. He came back and he was like 89 to 108 months. Max 108, 88, 89 being the low end. And I'm like, fuck yeah. That would be great.

I'm like, I'll do it. All right, come to my office, sign the paperwork, right? They're going to send it over. I went to his office. There was no time on it. It was a stipulated statement of facts. Right. It was about the whole case.

Right. my name was in it like three times. But the gist of it was we were an organized crime, drug trafficking, extortion, use crimes of violence, all this kind of stuff. Basically, it was just saying that as a group, this is what we did, right? Right. No specifics. We use tactics, violent tactics to achieve our ends, this, that kind of stuff, right?

but my name wasn't like in it you know what I mean and they said you know we can't put it on paper but you're looking at 89 to 108 months I was like give me that fucking pen sign a stipulated statement of facts done court date month later go plead guilty to the judge okay sentencing date do your PSI all that shit my PSA came back and I was like what the fuck PSI said uh 380 months recommendation all the like everything I ever did plus 20 things I didn't do I mean it was like 50 pages

of all I'm like holy shit my attorney's like don't worry about it there that has nothing to do with anything all that everything to do with everything I'm like are you sure he's like yeah that dude that's just for like the probation and the administrative end of it we made a deal dude we made a deal 89 to 108 months right you're your

And I'm like, okay, this is a new lawyer. This is by this time, I just took a wheel lawyer, right? Because I didn't want to, I was taking a plea bargain. What did I need my high price layer for? So I just took this guy. It was already done deal. I already took the plea. Just get me through sentencing, right?

He's telling me, hey, don't worry about it, man. We made a deal. He gave me my word. He grabbed me by my lapel. That's what he told me. I said, okay, man. All right, I'm going to trust you. like, listen, I think we got to, I think we need to talk about this PSI and object to some

things. And he was, I was like, dude, half the shit never even happened. I don't, I got, I don't have all these assaults on my record. Right. Right. They even had like my traffic illegal U-turns on there to bump up my criminal history, right? I'm like, illegal U-turn in 1998. That's on my PSI. What the fuck? And again, I didn't know anything about this kind of stuff, you know? I'd never gotten that far before. So he's like, don't worry about it. I had to go see this probation officer beforehand. I go to see him and he's like, dude, this is a bad PSI. This is going to follow you your whole time in prison. I'm like, I'm like, listen, I'm going to do probably five years. I'm not worried about it. Right? Oh my God. And he's like, okay, if you're not worried about it,

you're not worried about it. Is that what the twins got? Do you know what the twins have gotten at this time? No, one of them just got out of prison. No. Oh, I know. I know. I'm saying at this point in the story. Nobody's been sentenced yet. Who were you talking to from jail?

That said you're probably going to get five years. Chris was in jail on a different charge. Oh, okay. But it was in a jail on a different charge. He was on a jail and a gun charge. Okay. And so I signed that thing, right? Yeah.

This is before the, I plead guilty. So when I signed that plea bargain, I sign it, but then they set a date. where you go and accept the plea bargain. So I sign it, send it to them. And in between signing it and my court date, they arrest us. Okay.

They arrest everybody, right? And now I haven't been talking to anybody, really, right? Right. I don't know how broad this thing is. People, everybody disappears. So they arrest us at the FBI headquarters in Miami. They call me and say, they call me on a Friday. and they're like Tuesday morning 5 a.m.

Be at, they sent me a link or something, be here that we're going to take you and have you arraigned, right? And I'm like, okay. Have my friend drive me down there. They're like, my attorney is like they're not going to let you out.

This is it. You're not getting out. Okay? And I'm like, okay. So you're going to go to the county jail and you're going to sit at the county jail for a while. So get a gray sweatshirt, three pairs of socks,

three pairs of, underwear, shoes with no laces. So I'm like, okay, he's like, you're not getting it. This is it. I said, okay. How my friend driving me down there, said my goodbyes, walk in, and I walk into like a Sally Port type room. There's like five FBI, D, A agent's one of the agents that was at the raid at the,

the inspection, like five years ago, right? He's sitting there. He's like, what's up, Derek? I'm like, holy shit. He goes, you don't recognize me, following you around, bro, waving at me. I'm like, damn. And they're all, I look, I'm in this Sally Port. There's about five officers.

We're like, you here, bro. The rock star made it. You finally made it. And I'm like, damn. I look, I don't know exactly what's going on. All as I know is that me, Chris's wife and Chris's mom are all going down there. We drove separately, right? My friend drove me.

And I see a bunch of rubber totes. right rubber toot three rubber tote boxes empty there's only one with one file in it and it's my file and they grab it my picture's on the wall right there like on a post it right and they're like all smiling yeah it's good to see you man fucking i feel like i know you you know what i mean i'm like fuck dude all right so it begins i got my sweatshirt on my three pairs of boxers my socks my fucking feet are killing me because they're squeezed three pairs of socks and my shoes with no fucking laces and uh we walk out of the sally port into a big giant room and everybody's there everybody's sitting there handcuffed to their own private desk i'm talking janitors

that works for like three weeks four years ago right that couldn't handle work at like everybody i'm like holy shit people that i didn't know it they had to people on witness protection from me, like in Kansas and shit, because they were cooperating and afraid that I was going to come hunt them down. They were sleeping with shotguns at night, so they relocated people waiting on this day that were, and I didn't, it was, I didn't know any of it. You know what I mean? The janitor that hadn't worked there since 2008, right? I see him like, what's up, Drew? You know what I mean? He was always a pussy. He couldn't ever hang with our crowd. You know what I mean? He worked for.

for a couple weeks, got rid of him. I had no idea who was part of the case. I see him sit there. I'm like, what's up? He's like, like, oh, like this. I walk in, I'm not handcuffed or nothing, right? I just walk in, everybody else's cuffed to the desk. To each, everybody has a little two-person desk.

They got an agent, their handcuffed to the desk, they're in the other chair. They bring me over to this area where there's like 10 cops, right? I'm wearing, the shirt I'm wearing, and I was wearing a gray sweatshirt. It's a weekend before this. So this is a Tuesday morning. Over the weekend before, me and my girl came over here to Tampa, went to Burns Steakhouse, knowing I was going away, right? Met some people.

They gave me, these people gave me powder in a receipt from Burn Steakhouse, folded up origami style. I put it in my fifth pocket and forgot about it, right? I'm wearing those pants. Right. So they bring me over to the air, put me up against the wall, and they're patting me down.

They pull my fifth pocket open, reach in, and what's this? They grab the fucking thing. He's wearing a DEA vest, black with yellow lettering, right? Hat on backwards. He's one of the street guys,

you know, a tough guy. They're like pushing me, and you know what I mean? Like being smart asses to me. And he's like, what is this? He fucking pulls it open like this, boff,

fucking Coke goes all over his mustache. It's like a gram, dude. It was like, and he's like, didn't even notice. And he was just like, and I'm looking and I see it all over the black vest. And I'm like,

holy shit. And he looks at the receipt and he goes, pay $200 for a fucking steak. They're a fucking idiot. Crumples the thing up and sticks it in my pocket. I'm like, holy shit. I'm watching him the rest of the time I'm there.

I'm watching him when he's fucking. doing it. And I'm like, holy fuck, dude. But I'm like, whatever. It's a fucking graham. I'm looking at fucking all this time. So they take me, set me down at the thing. And I see, I'm seeing all the old doctors.

Like, I haven't seen these guys forever. It's been years and years, four years, three years. I'm seeing everybody. I'm like, what's up? Hey, how you doing it? And everybody. Like doing it, I'm like, what's the deal? You know what I mean?

What's the problem? Well, they've all cooperated, so they're scared. But I didn't know that they were cooperating against me. Right. You know what I mean? I thought this was like, I didn't know that they used me to get themselves. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Why me? Right? I had no idea. So then that agent, special agent Turner comes up to me and she's, hey, Derek, man, I knew, you had to know this day was coming, right? You know, and they ask you all these questions. Another agent comes, sits with me, asks me questions. And I'm like ear hustling. I hear Ethan, the guy.

He's the ex-cop that Chris hired, who turned on everybody, wore why, all this shit. I'm listening to him talk to the, and everybody else is in like suits. You know what I mean? Dress nice, suits and stuff. And here I am a pair of jeans,

gray sweatshirt, three pairs of socks, three pairs of underwear. And I'm like, what if all these motherfuckers are going home, right? And I'm like looking at him and stuff. Diana, Chris's mom, all dressed nice and I'm like hmm so I hear I'm listening to Ethan he's over there like cracking jokes talking with the agent like they're best friends right like oh yeah how you doing when we leave here

can I come with you he's saying he's like I don't want to ride with these fucking guys you know how it is man I'm like what fuck I hear another guy over here um the agent talking to him about his family how's your daughter doing how's that like was your Christmas okay was it and I'm like sitting they're going, what the fuck? Another guy, oh, man, I'm sorry, Agent Turner. You know, this has been really stressful for me. I'm sorry, I called you all those times at home when I, you know, I get a couple drinks in me and I get scared.

I really appreciate all the help you gave me and all that. And I'm sitting there going, I know one person here, right? Right. And that's because they did a raid on me. You know what I mean? I don't like, something, this is not right, right? So then after you do all your little check your boxes, question and answer, they would uncuff you. Right.

And it was like a gymnasium is like what it was. But like that cheap indoor carpet like a gymnasium. It was like separate. Remind me of being in a school like a real government building kind of thing. And there was a row of chairs probably like 50 chairs up against one wall. I would notice I was noticing, I was the last one there. So I was noticing that when you finish your thing, they would uncuff you and tell you to go take a seat in those chairs in order, right? And then they were coming and doing a DNA swab.

And then everybody was just like sitting there, right? And like some of the doctors were like 90 by this time. We had doctors in there with IV bags and masks on. And the agents were shoving McDonald's into their mouths because they were diabetic and they had to eat at. certain times and shit. I'm like, what? This is a fucking, this is insanity. I'm watching this whole thing go down. So everybody's sitting there, right? And then Diana and Chris's mom, Denise, they get done and they go sit chairs. And I'm still sitting there, finish up. Go have a seat over there next to Diana. I'm like, okay, I go over there. I sit down next to Diana. I'm like, hey, you're doing all right.

you know, I know this sucks. We're just talking. I look down. I see this one guy, Drew, looking at me. And he, he's like, got a couple doctors with masks and IV bags around him. He's like, one here, one here, him sitting there. And he fucking jumps up. And he's like, get him away from me.

He's going to kill me. He's already looking at me. And I'm like, me and Diana are looking at him. And we're like, damn, we're thinking one of the doctors said something to him. Right. You know what I mean? We're like, what? What's going on?

And these guys, these DEA and FBI guys come running in the room and like jump on them. Like they jumped on Trump when he got shot. Right. Right. They're like fucking like this. Like there's a fucking being down here like, God damn. My dude, Drew was a pussy. But fucking Dr. Dreher's 85 years old, man.

What's he going to do? What the hell is going? We're like kind of like laughing about it. We're just whatever. Next thing you know, a whole other fucking jump out crew comes in a room and grabs my ass. It slams me underground. And they're like, you're trying to fucking intimidate people, motherfucker? You take your bed?

You're in my fucking house right now. Like pushing my head in the ground, fucking yelling at me and shit. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Handcuff me behind my back, take me in another room, throw me in a restraint chair. Right? Leave me. And I'm like, what just happened? What is going on?

And I still have no idea. And I hear the door is kind of shut. And they got two guys standing outside the door. They didn't restrain me in a restraint chair. Right. They just sat me in it. And they're walking. I'd call him, like, what's going on with him?

Oh, man, he's the fucking dangerous one. He's the one, you know what I mean? It's very violent, very dangerous. Got to be careful. This is a volatile situation. You know what I mean? He's threatening these other people, these other, I'm like, your ear hustling here. I'm like, what the fuck?

I just drove down here and turned myself into these motherfuckers. Yeah, you've let me walk around this whole time. I'm like, what is going on, right? So what they were doing after they took your DNA, they were processing everybody and putting them on a bus outside, right? So I had to wait for all 50 people or however many it was for them, get them on a bus, then come in and get me, process me, take me outside, and I can't, they won't let me on the same bus as everybody else, right? I'm like, what the fuck? They put me in like the cage part of the bus, right? Like, and I'm like, what is, what's the deal here?

I'm not understanding what it turned out to be. We even when they drove us all away from Miami, to the West Palm Beach federal courthouse, right? And they made me wait in a parking garage while everybody else got arraigned. And then when everybody else got arraigned and got to the release cells, they were all getting a surrety bond. When they got to the release cells after their arraignment,

they came and got me because nobody wanted to see me. Everybody was afraid. And I'm like, dude, this is just it. Because I've been out of it. I haven't been having Christmas with the FBI agents that fucking, they don't know my kids' names. They don't, you know what I mean? I'm like, what is going on, dude?

So they bring me up. And I still had my paid lawyer at that time. And they arraigned me. And I wasn't expecting to go home. And he's like, listen, everybody else in his case cooperated and it's gotten a surty bond. Right. My client's not staying in here. Right.

Everybody else, they're from all over. he's never left he's at the same place he lived right he's never gone anywhere anytime you guys asked for him he's never ran you took his passport before anything even happened he hasn't done nothing he's not going anywhere he's not whatever it's whatever you know and they were like he's right and they were like all right surrey bond 250 000 surrey bond i signed it then they took me out and they put me in the damn cells with all these people that are hiding like they put me mean this cell and they were like, ah, ah, and it's like, there's two cells. And they're like hiding in a corner, give me out of here, give me out of here.

And I'm like, what is going on, dude? I'm like, what's happening? I'm like trying to talk to these people. Like, do they know something that I don't know? Like, I'm your friend, dude. What's the deal? I didn't tell on you. Like, no oblivious to the fact that every single word I ever said, every joke I ever played,

that they're now trying to, they knew at the time I was joking around when I threw a Chinese star at them, right? They knew it was a joke. You do know those stick, right? Yeah, I wouldn't throw it. I throw it next to them.

You know what I mean? I'd stick it in a wall. They'd be doing their work or something like that and their head down and I'd throw one and it would stick in a wall. They knew it was a joke at the time. You know, there was only a couple of them that complained about it, you know?

So I have a feeling that Dr. What was it, Dr. Graham? Yeah. Dr. Graham. Yeah. Dr. Graham doesn't seem like somebody he would have taken that. He wouldn't have thought that was funny. I mean, he didn't have, Dr. Graham didn't have a choice.

He was so in debt, right? He didn't have a choice, but he snapped on me so many times. And I'd be like, Dr. Graham, just leave. I don't need you. I have 17 doctors. Right. You come in. on Tuesdays.

Right. And see four patients from 430 and you ask me for $1,000 and then you probably go to the fucking hard rock. Right. I'm like, I don't need you. I just hired somebody. What did you hire somebody else for? I want more hours.

And I'm like, dude. You just said you were, you didn't want to do this. I know what this place is, Derek. I know what you are. I'm like, okay. Whatever. What's the problem? Either work or don't.

I'm not begging you to stay here, motherfucker. Then get back in there and start writing scripts. What are we talking about? And don't have somebody come out here with a script with 20 fucking pills on it. I was like, get in there and fucking write them what I fucking tell you to write them kind of thing, you know? And so anyway, you're in the room. So yeah, I mean, and everybody's freaking out. And the marshals, they, like, now we're in martial custody.

Yeah. So I guess the DEA and the FBI guys didn't inform the marshals that, like, there was a separate team between me and, like, these people were fucking scared, bro. and I'm like, dude, I'm not going to, it was like starting to come reality, but they made me wait, they separated me again, eventually. And then when they separated me again, I started going in on everybody.

I'm like, you're a fucking pussy, Drew, you're a fucking pussy. I'm going to fucking kill you when I fucking see you, right? Just like, I'm joking, right? But, you know what I mean?

That sense of humor. Listen, they fucking, they, I didn't do, I was never going to do anything to these people. I never even thought that I was as high on their list. You know what I mean? I was like, these people aren't going to tell on me. I didn't do anything to them, right?

Fuck around with them. But I'll throw a Chinese star at your head, joking around, scary a little bit, and then I'll fucking buy lunch. What's the fucking problem? You know what I mean? I'll pick you up. I'll buy your clothes if you need fucking clothes. I'll give you a fucking job, right?

I let you fucking skim your little tips off the top. You know what I mean? So what? I like to fucking buy swords off the internet and force people to have sword fights in a middle of office every now and that. You know what I mean? It's fucking, I get bored, right? It's a joke. It's not a big deal.

I'm with you. I hear you. It sounds like a lot of fun. It was fun. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know, like Drew also was like this guy, we'd buy a boat that does like 170 miles an hour. What do you think we're going to do when we get on an old?

They said it does 170 miles an hour. You think we're going to try to do it. Yeah, you got to. Of course we're going to. We get out there and fucking hit the fucking throttle a quarter of the way. We're doing 70. Oh my God, fucking stop. I'm not going to stop, right?

So, and he's, take me back. Take me back kind of thing. You know what I mean? It's not worth it, guys. You know, one of these fucking fruitcakes. So, of course, I antagonized them. But that doesn't mean. you got to tell on me

and make up some kind of fucking story, right? You know what I mean? Like, this was all good fun, childish, yes. We were in good fun. You were never in grave danger. There was a possibility that

I could have had some fucking Polynesian sauce from the egg rolls on my hand. You know what I mean? The lunch egg rolls and it could have slipped out of my hand and maybe nick the ear or something. Right. But for the most part, nobody ever really got seriously injured or anything like that. And it was, again, it was all in good fun, right? And they used all that against me like I was some kind of fucking monster tyrant like torturing people. You know what I mean? It's not true. You know what I mean? Probably with a, I wouldn't say I'm a nice guy, but I'm a pretty good guy. You know what I mean? And how much, like, how much time, what was your sentence?

How much times do you get? Well, let me tell you this story. Let me, let me. I don't know. I don't have to go anywhere. I can, I got all day. I'll finish this up real quick. Okay.

So we get there and they end up letting me go. Like I said, and then we're down in the cages, right? And then they separate me because everybody's crying like little bitches. And then, like, that's when I found out the one guy, the feds moved him to can. to keep him away from me because they wouldn't let me go until they found out he boarded his plane and was going back to Kansas the fucking goddamn Marshall I put a addition on his house so I knew him from fucking 10 years ago right he's like dude I can't let my sister my girlfriend were waiting for me right we're gonna they're waiting for me to get out everybody else been out

for two hours and that Marshall I'm like dude what the fuck why don't you let me go and they like to kill time they took me and did the whole tattoos, pictures, all that and they didn't do that to anybody else, you know what I mean? And he's like, listen, dude, you know what I mean? I know you, but you're fucking with these people. And that one guy, he's in fucking Kansas because he's fucking afraid to you. You're fucked, bro. And I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, are you serious? He's like, yeah, dude. He's like, every one of these people that were in

here before you, they all pointed their finger at you. It was all you. You hired them. You paid them. You paid you did and I'm like holy shit dude the whole time I was like yeah Chris and Jeff were gonna get fucked on this thing right and then that's when I realized like

I was there with Chris and Jeff like yeah right like they were looking at me like because then I'm when we're doing the arraignment they were telling me that like these people were getting arraigned on wire fraud

laundering $5,000 right when they gave me mind there was five charges totaling 360 years in prison. And I'm like, oh, man. And I was like, like, they had me for the fraud too. I never committed any fraud. But just by some idiot, Chris Hudson,

using our merchant account to rob somebody, right? To do a fraudulent transaction for a timeshare. He would use our merchant account. That made me guilty by conspiracy of fraud because Chris let him use. I didn't even know he was doing it. But I was labeled the enforcer for organized crime group. So I am responsible for every fucking pill, every prescription, every fucking, I didn't know

this is how the feds worked. You know what I mean? I brought that fucking, after I left my lawyer's office, I brought that stipulated statement of facts to my grandma's house. I was like, listen, it's going to be a piece of cake. They don't got me named in anything. Meanwhile, I was named on everything. Right?

So it started, I admit to being part of a criminal conspiracy that did all this. And it was probably four pages long and my name was probably in there four times. So I thought they were only charging me with those four times that they, right? No idea. No fucking idea. So they end up letting me go. And I have to come back to plead guilty, right? Come back a month later, plead guilty.

and I'm sitting there and like they really cross her teeth and dot their eyes with the guilty. Right. Like are you sure that no promises were made to you? Are you sure that when they tell you this is your sentence range that that is just a guess? Are you sure that you weren't coerced in any way? Are you sure? And I'm like, yeah, dude, why are we fucking going through all these things? theatrics.

And you're going through all these theatrics because they're going to fuck you. Yeah, because when they fuck you, they want you to be able to,

they want, they want to make sure they said, oh, he was fully understood what he was signed. Yes. So, because they're,

they're winding up to fucking ramming home with no fucking Vaseline, dude. I was like, okay. Yeah, yes, your honor,

yes, your honor. Yes, your honor. Yes, your honor. Okay. Sentencing for December. Okay. Got to do a PSI, all this shit.

Go to a PSI place, sit down with my lawyer. The first thing that the PSI lady asked me, right? Not hi, how you're doing, nothing like that. She has a file on me already. And we found that out. Remember when we did my, what's that call?

Freedom of Information Act. And they wanted, it's supposed to be free. And there were so many files on me that it was, it was $2,900 or something like that. And they had mentioned him because they'll not, but it's not just. his case, suddenly his name came up in all these other cases. It's like, what is this case?

What is you're going, I don't know, like other people in other cases were mentioning Derek over and over and, and these weren't little cases. These are multiple other cases that he's like, I've fucking no idea who that is or what that is. There was something like 20,000 pages is, it was a lot. 20,000 pages in my FBI, because that's what we asked for my FBI file. Yeah, I'd never, I'd never had anybody. I've had people charge. I mean, I've had them come back and once or twice charge 120 bucks, 50 bucks.

But pretty much almost nobody's ever, like mine was, mine was thousands and thousands of pages. Didn't charge me anything. Mine was probably, one was three grand. Probably four thousand. I was like, wow, that's pretty. So, we didn't know that then, right? So they do the PSI. I go sit down with a lady.

And the first thing she says to me, she has a big file. The first thing she says to me is, do you have any remorse or do you feel guilty about your role in your mother's death? What the fuck you were fucking four? I was four. I go, huh? I was fucking four. And she looks at me, like, you're going to let him talk to me like that? This isn't going to go well.

And I'm like, I'm sorry. What are you talking about? And she was like flipping through and she's like, I mean, do you have any scars? And I'm like, go to answer. I don't know. What about all the ones on your face? Are those from fighting? Let me guess.

From fighting? And I'm like, what is, like, what is, like, I thought what this was like, a PSI was like the good thing where you come in there and you tell them the good things. Right. In your life. You know what I mean? Yeah. Right?

And it just went terrible, dude. It went fucking terrible. Like, it was, we were bickering back and forth in my turn to sit in there. Like, this is now. now it was the the state or government appointed attorney and he's just sitting there like oh my God

and me and this lady are bickering back and forth and she's accusing me of things and I'm like dude that's not me I don't know where you're getting that from I don't know that person and she's like I mean if you're not gonna what it means to accept responsibility because you get three points off

for acceptance of responsibility and she kept going over what it means to accept responsibility you have to be contrite but sitting here telling me that you didn't do this and you didn't do that and you weren't responsible for this

and all that kind of stuff and I'm like I don't even know what you're talking about yes I ran this fucking pain because I did all this shit right all this stuff I don't want to fucking talk about I'm like I don't know how this is gonna go

and then she's like a drug test and I was like oh fuck I didn't know that I was going to take a drug test here I just popped the fucking percice at the night before or something. I go in there and I fucking fail the drug test. I'm like, dude. They're like, why do you have perks set in your system?

I'm like, fucking, I had it left over from a dentist. My tooth was hurt, and so I took it. I still got the prescript. I mean, I did have the bottle. It was like three years old, right? And I'm like, I didn't know. I didn't know I couldn't do that. I'm sorry.

You didn't know he couldn't do that. That's what this whole case is about. And I'm like, listen, I had the pill bottle, right? So I brought him the pill bottle And it was 2009 Had like four Perkissette fives or something in it

Whatever Anyway That doesn't go well The PSI comes back It's terrible The fucking probation department's recommended 240 months Um

All this shit But my attorney's like I'm asking him I'm saying dude Should we object to some of this stuff Get this shit out of here And he's like No don't worry about

Listen we got to deal with Paul I grabbed him by his lapel. I looked him in the eye. You're going to get, he's going to recommend 89 to 108 months. You know what I mean? He's like, you didn't fight, didn't fight him. You came in, you, as far as I know, you told the truth. It just got to the point where there was nobody left to tell on, right?

You cooperated as much as you could cooperate. Why would he break the deal? And I'm like, okay. Because he never had any intention to keep that to begin with. I'm like, all right, whatever. Set the sentencing, December 16th, 9 a.m. I get to the courthouse, go to the room. I'm with Chris's dad, John George, and a worker that worked with John, a girl.

They drive me there. We walk into the courthouse, get to the courtroom, right? There's my lawyer. there's a federal prosecutor about five marshals, IRS agent, FBI agent, DEA, stop you right there, Mr. Nolan. There's somebody else getting sentenced right now, has a separate T and a PPO against you.

He's being sentenced. His anonymity is required. Why don't you step into this room over here? There's a little conference rooms right outside. every courthouse you know what i mean like little teeny rooms as big as this right yeah i'm like oh shit john they tell john you can go inside john they know john now right i'm like okay i'm thinking okay i'm just going to go in this room and i wait till he's done and they'll take him away and uh take him away and that'll be it'll go in there we go in there and he pulls out a stack of paper

stack of papers like this he's like um here's the new deal all right no promises were made to you new evidence has come to light um 240 months and he slides the stack of paperwork over to me it is 302s from probably 100 people from there's Chris is in there. Jeff's, Jeff had five of them in there, telling a different story every time. All the people involved in the kidnapping.

All the people involved in the extortion. Every person that ever worked for me in the four years, three, four years that this went on, the janitors, the maids. Three, one,

so many that I couldn't read them. Right. Right. Stack them this big. And I'm like, what the fuck he's like listen man you know before it was going to be like the wire fraud and this and that so you know that puts you at um a level uh you're at a level 31 or something like that now when we add all this up you're at a level 42 okay now listen uh you turn yourself in that's a two point reduction 40 then um You accepted responsibility, although the probation officer here is going to object to you accepting responsibility. So that's three points off.

So you're looking at a level 37. You are looking at 151 to 240 months, and it's going to be up to probation and the judge on what you get. We won't argue your lawyer can ask for the 151 months. about, you know, our office, we won't argue against the 151 months. But, you know, it's not in our hands anymore. So either that or we tear this up and we can get set for trial. And I'm like, what? So it went from five years to now a minimum of 13 years, right, and a maximum of 20.

You got an 11C, you know what I mean? so we can't go over the 240. And I'm like, oh, thanks. That's great, dude. I look at my lawyer, he's like, that's, yeah, they looked out for you. You should thank him. And I'm like, you fucking,

human motherfucker. What happened to the lapel? Yeah, you grabbed him by the lapel and you looked him in the eyes. Yeah. What the fuck? I'm like, okay, well, Derek, we're going to go ahead and we'll give you the room, let it sink in, and we'll come get you

when the other guys go out. I'm like, okay. You make the decision. So I'm like, what the fuck? I can't. I don't have my phone. I can't make any phone calls, no nothing. I'm upset.

I go, they get the guy out of there. It ended up being that guy, Drew. Right? And they come and get me. And there's like two or three other people, lower echelon people in the whole thing in there. Getting sentenced. The first one is a big job.

giant dude two or 50 pounds solid muscle 19 years old six five big giant tough guy seen him fighting before all right the drug addict get sentenced to nine months burst out into tears nine months next guy comes up he gets fucking 14 months first into tears first into tears everything and I'm like fuck they leave I go up there and um they give their spiel whatever, and they're saying it's a RICO case, the RICO predicates are kidnapping and extortion with a drug trafficking relevant conduct and this and that,

and with my prior criminal history, which is driving, right? And the prosecutor's like, you know, you know, 20 years, and we're going to give him three points off for acceptance or responsibility, and he turned himself in, so that's one or two points, whatever.

And judge's like, okay, reading a PSI and he's like, are you going to testify against anybody or anything like that? Can I expect you back here for a Rule 35? And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, somebody, not me. They're like, yes, I had no idea cadet was going to trial at this point. Right. And they're like, yeah, we got a co-defendant.

We're going to need his. And he's like, okay, then that's cool. You know what I mean? So we can do this high end. And then, you know, he'll get, you know, what do you guys? thinking he's like i don't know we'll see how much this cooperation goes okay so we'll go the high end does our probation have anything to say the lady stands up puts on a whole fucking she disagrees i should get the 20 this and that i'm not uh i haven't accepted responsibility under their terms

they said i'm like holy shit so her judge is like let's man we'll just do the 151 we'll do on the low end do you care prosecutor prosecutor i do not care 151's fine. I'm like trying to calculate that in my head, but my whole world just fell apart. You know what I mean? And I'm like 15 months. That's like 15 years.

I'm thinking I'm doing by 10 instead of 12, you know? And I'm like, holy shit. And then probation objects again. And they're like, no, no, no, no. We found this, this and this. You got to take away. You got to add this one, this point. And we got an illegal U-turn on here.

So that's going to bring them up to the next, level on a criminal history, blah, blah, bah. We won't accept anything less than 168 months. And a judge is like 168, boom. See you later. Report to prison April 27th. For a U-turn? Yeah, they bought, that's on my PSI.

You can see it on my PSI. And legal U-FSI. To 168. You gave me an extra 17 months in prison, actually a year, almost a year and a half for a U-turn. Oh, boom. I hope to see you back here for a Rule 35 someday, Mr. Nolan. Good luck. And I was like, that's it, that's it.

I go outside. We walk downstairs. I'm like, what is the fuck? They gave me a date. I had to turn myself into prison, told me, they went. They took, actually took me, took all pictures of my tattoos, take a shirt off, strip, naked, all that shit. Did all that shit again. They gave me, they got all my information, said I would get a letter in the mail in the next 60 days, tell me where to

report to prison on what date um i walk outside and all the people that got sentenced before me with their nine months and their 14 months and they're fucking no one guy got two years house arrest because he was so fat that he would die in prison because he could he had money and he could get unlimited food so there would be nobody to restrain him from eating himself to death so he got two years of house arrest and mandatory nutrition counseling or some shit like that. Everybody's out there crying, oh my God, I mean, I heard you got a lot of time, but

what am I going to do? I got nine months. I mean, you know how long that is? I'm like, you fucking piece of shit. That guy, that got nine months, fucking overdosed. He's dead. Good job on that one. System really saved his life there.

But, yeah, it was all these people's 302. I got a stack of them like this. And I didn't even have time to read them all. It was just like, I mean, was people that weren't even at the kidnapping situation. That were given testimony. We're giving testimony and 302s. Yeah, I was there too, man.

He really fucked him up. He was pistol-wipping him all this shit. Fucking the gun to his head, making him make phone calls, going through all this shit. I'm like, I don't even know who this person is. Right. I got another guy in there saying on this date, I picked up 300 Roxy's from Derek at this address, which was that address that I hadn't lived in two years prior to the date that he picked it up. And I was also in South Carolina at my brother's graduation during this on this date.

Wasn't even, I haven't seen the guy in five years. He didn't even work at the clinic. Somehow he got his hands on 300 pills, tried to sell him to an undercover. Heard that I was working at a pain collect said he got him for me. There's 302, man. Listen, we just can't let this kind of stuff slide there. I mean, you're going to have to do this. You got to pay for this, man. Karma's a bitch. And I'm like, I can't believe what just fucking happened. I got fucking, boom, it's terrible. So, hey guys, I got a good friend of mine.

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