Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - America’s Best Jewel Thief Reveals His SECRET STRATEGY | Punch Stanimirovic

Episode Date: June 18, 2025

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We opened two safes back to back. We took $1.5 million each. It's $3 million in diamonds and sapphires and jeweled. It's amazing. Your father was basically a jewel thief. He and your mother were a team. And he kind of started the original group that was considered the Pink Panthers. Like at what point do you start getting involved in this whole thing?

Yeah. me more when I was younger like five six seven eight my father's friends he's like hey you want to learn how to pick a lock so he shows me a lot you know and I'm like you know six seven years old and I'm like of course so you show me how to pick a lock at six seven eight and I got interested he gave me my first pick clock you know my set right he'd show me one you know what to pick how to pick it what barrel to choose and you know what to click and what to turn and the tension bar and all that so I figured it out I figured he showed me the inside the mechanics of the system, you know? And he's the guy that I used to go to when I needed something like, you know, something, information about a safe, you know, how to open it, you know, because every safe is different. There's hundreds of safes. So, I mean, I can name them, I could name probably 20, 30 off the top of my head, you know,

because, you know, this is what I do, right? Guys like me, I go to the conventions, I go to the locksmith shows, but we had something better. This is going to interest people to jump, to dive into a, our story into stealing Manhattan because we had the biggest safe guy working with us right in the fucking world the biggest safe guy the guy that owns the biggest best safes in the world is working with us how crazy is that that's going to come out in part two but do you understand the magnitude of this the guy that builds the safes that sells the safes to the companies that

need to be insured for a hundred million dollars works with us right he comes to us he comes to my father he's like this fucking cock suck a motherfucker didn't pay us he didn't want to pay us for the vault this cheap fucking money i'm sorry to per cursing but you know this guy oh yeah we can curse on this show yeah of course excellent oh fuck it then let's go what i mean is he he comes into the to our company we have a jewelry company an office on 47th street right you said that That's how you guys were, you know, I guess not breaking through. Right. You were basically working on the diamonds through your parents.

Yes, yes. Look, watch this, Matt. The office was not only a place where we fenced the stuff, but was also a point where I can get into the backyard at nighttime. Right. Because, okay, let me explain something to you. These are all buildings on 47th Street. If I can get into the backyard, 47th Street, the Diamond District.

Right, what did you say? There are what? Buildings. Oh, buildings, okay, sorry. Yeah, tall buildings. I think like five stories and up. Five stories is the smallest, right? And I'm in one of these buildings that are five stories.

And I go to the roof of this building, and that's how I break out to the backyard. And if I'm in the back, you're not supposed to be in the backyard. It's a 47th Street. If I can get into the backyard, this is the nucleus of 47th Street and 48th Street, these two streets. So now I'm inside of these blocks where there's nobody. There's only air conditioning units, electrical, you know, things, gizmos, you know, stuff that they have for the building, you know. And it's very dangerous back there.

It's not made for people to walk, you know. it's not made, it's, it's a backyard. I have to, I have to describe it a little bit better. We need to get some pictures because this diagram is in Manhattan, you know. So picture, Rockefeller Center, right, the block next to Rockefeller Center, that street right there. And there's hundreds of jewelry diamond stores, okay, hundreds. Each store is worth, you know, a million dollars, 10 million, five million.

You know, each one of these. Each one of these companies has a value. And this is where we broke in into this nucleus, this stem. It's like we found, you know, when you find a diamond mine or a gold vein or something, there you go. We found a vein, a vein, a golden mine on these streets. And I was the only one that was going out at nighttime, you know, looking through the windows of these companies.

and I would immediately see a punch safe, the safe that I could open in 16 seconds. So Matt, you think I wouldn't do it immediately? You don't think I would stretch those bars? You know, if there's any bars on the window, I would use a jack, like a BMW car jack, and I would change the bars. And then I would open the window with a screwdriver,

heavy-duty screwdriver, crowbar, you know. And the alarms would be running. The alarms would be running. These guys are not going to get there in five minutes. I'm in and out in a minute. Right. And this is in a resident. residential area so nobody's going to come out of their house no it's not a residential area that's

it's commercial area that's what i forgot to tell you it's all commercial here's no residence nobody lives there it's a desert desolate nobody lives in this in this in this on these streets this is all commercial so when was the first time when was your first heist when did you first get you know i was like 15 years old 15 i became a multi i made a million dollars no my first So I became a millionaire officially like 15 years old. So how did it, how did that work? How did you find the place? How'd you?

Yeah. Yeah, this was something that I was already, uh, my father and I, we already spoke about what I was, I was going to do and he wanted to put me down on one of his jobs, you know, to work with,

with his guys. And I was like, all right, let's do that. My mom was totally adamant, uh, that, you know, she didn't want me to be with these guys.

Something could happen. Like one day. up in jail, I can get killed, you know, I could be in a trunk of a car. Who the fuck knows? Anything. This life is crazy. Right. Um, you're dealing with psychopaths and you're dealing with crazy people, you know, in this, in this, in this, uh, this world, right?

You know, so she was scared and she says, let me show you something. Come with me, you know, uh, to New York, to the city. Uh, I was living at that time in New Jersey. Okay. So my mom takes me to, to New York City. And, uh, you know, I go with her. And she's in a mint coat, you know, always in a mint coat, beautiful blonde, green eyes, like gorgeous, gorgeous woman. And here am I, you know, this young, 15-year-old, you know, sprouting, you know, I'm playing tennis, good-looking kid, you know, nice everything, you know, and I'm there with my mom.

And that truly puts people at ease because we're not criminals. Right. So we can go anywhere. So I go to this company and it's an Indian company. my mom goes there to buy some gems and she didn't see anything to me she just showed me in this place she already knew what I was thinking so as soon as I went there because I was already scoping out jobs for my dad I was already going with my mom you know and that's what I was doing probably yeah for like as soon as I came back from Europe I came back from Europe uh 15 so this is like maybe like five

six months later you know down the road because I didn't get to do what I wanted, so like five, six months, so I'm like 15 and a half. But during that time, during that time, because I just came back from Europe, we just moved back from Europe. We moved to New Jersey. So from New Jersey, we're going to New York. And during this time, I was helping my mom scope out jobs. It was easier for her to go, you know, with me, all us together. So my mom was showing me the district, and that's how I got familiar with 40th Street. They had an office there. Not one. They had six offices at one time, six different offices.

So like two, three on 47th Street, one on 46th Street, one on 45th, one on 48 or something, you know. So these were all offices that we use, not to resell out of, but to use to burglarize, you know, to steal from, from other commercial companies. Right. So that whole district is commercial. I was the only one that would stay there overnight. I would sleep in my office. Okay. I would stay there.

And at night, I would go out and I would know. where every cockroach would sleep because I'm the only one that knows that terrain. Nobody knew that terrain better than me. That's why, you see, this is why I did like over 300 heists in my life because I was not only doing my cruise. I was working with Albanians. I was working with Italian. I was working with everybody, Russians.

Whoever wanted to do a heist, they needed me to get into the 47th Street. So the first heist? Yeah, the first heist was India, India Gem Company. India Gem Company and it was like 45th between 45th and 46th Street and and I do it with this guy named Peco

another guy, young guy that was in college a professional soccer player and he was a good athlete my father puts this crew together it was just us four that's it and I do this job it was pretty heavy because there were stones and I had to go back and forth like

you know two three times you know and the cops got involved How'd you get into the place? Oh, through one of the offices that we had keys. We didn't have a, yeah, we had keys. This was a different office, but we had keys to the, to the, I'm sorry, to the front building. The adjacent office, the one next to it? Yeah, no, well, we got into the backyard from 46th Street, okay?

And from 46th Street, this is like the way we go in and go out. This is our exit and entry point. This is maybe like 15 buildings down. This is 15 buildings, 20 buildings down. So it's in the middle of the block. This is where I leave. This is where I come out and this is where I go in. Now, I have to make my way all the way to 5th Avenue.

I'm between 5th and 6th Avenue, 45th and 46th Street. So I'm in this backyard and I have to make my way to the building that I entered into a window, like a bathroom window. And I open the window. and I got into the hallway, an interior staircase, and I got up to the top floor where the India Gem place was.

And next door there was an empty office. And I opened the door because there was no alarms in empty office. And I immediately started making a hole in the street rock to the adjacent place next door, you know, to the India Star Gem. And we made a hole. And the hole that I made, actually I put my head,

I made a hole in their showcase. because there was glass and I was like oh shit but there was gems and stuff there so I started pulling out the emeralds and shit

you know already loading up the bags and then I moved this a lot of you know it was messy my first one was messy I'm over there you know

scooping all these gems and stuff out to showcase and I moved the showcase it was messy it's my first heist you know it's not it doesn't look glamorous

so anything like that a lot of messy glasses broken I probably got cut you know like you know things are happening you know

I got my tools and shit you know um with this other kid peckle but I'm the one that's doing it like I'm the one that's working I open the hole you know he started

opening the hole with a hammer like very messy very you know she rockets all over the place it was a I don't know if it was a two by fours or whatever but you gotta you know move to you know get through the get to the other side and stuff like that and I put my head in the showcase right

so it's messy it's messy we had to kick that out and it's just like a lot of dust and it looks like demolition, basically, right? Right. So, you know, I run right to the vault. There's a vault. It's like a door with a dial and a handle. And I already knew that because I seen it, you know, a couple of days before, right?

And when I was playing it. And I immediately put the punch. I take the hammer. I open the vault. And this is a walking vault. And it was within 16 seconds, 17 seconds, I was in. One day, maybe we can do an episode about, you know, I can demonstrate to exactly what I did because it's exciting, you know, how I open a fucking vault, right? And I'm not promoting crime or anything.

I don't want people to, you know, to imitate me or to redo this or whatever. But, you know, yeah, so I open the vault and it's the most amazing feeling in the world. This is my first vault, you know, I open it, my first heist, and it went so smooth. This is why my name is Punch, because it was a Punch Vault, you know? And I opened this, and as I said, it wasn't that, it wasn't diamonds, diamonds, no, no, no, it was more semi-precious. Aquamarine, citrine, paroddott, blue topaz, amethyst, tons of that shit. And really nice ones, purple amethyst, you know, African amitist. And so we're picking rocks.

So, you know, we load up two, three bags each, you know, as many as we can carry. I think I had two bags at that time. And the way I do it is I put it around my neck. the handle part and I open it like this and I'm dumping I'm dumping everything out of the safe you know out of the vault and everything is in like the little containers and shit packets and then when we're taking you know gems we're taking gems and he's looking at me he's like is this worth a lot and I'm like yeah I thought you know I thought we were taking a hundred million dollars you know just think about it because you know I you know I thought it was all mostly

rubies and sapphires and diamonds you know but it was it was like maybe 15% of that and then you know the rest was all semi-precious but that's how we started gemstone trading so here we are with six bags six big duffel bags filled with uh with gems and we have a company on 45 west 47 street that's a perfect front for this for this merchandise because we we already had a company on 33 West 47th Street in Alley's Exchange. And we kept that. And we get this other office. And this is what starts part two and this whole excitement and this whole the billion dollar heist. Long Bandy Twizzlers candy keeps the fun going. Keep the fun. Going.

Twizzlers, keep the fun going. All I started from there, because we had this gemstone straight in front, and we started with that merchandise from my first highest. You know, it came from me. Not my dad, it came from me. And my mom and dad started selling, and me also, you know, I started selling gems to all the manufacturers on 47th Street. And that was my first heist.

My second heist was probably like seven months after that, you know. But I was doing other things, assisting people with their heist. You know, I was working other jobs. But I wasn't actually, you know, until like six, seven months later. Because I had all this money. And I had a fight with my dad. I try to give some gifts to my girlfriend, you know, and he wasn't having it. You know, he was like, no.

And I couldn't get the money for my father, basically. because I was still a young punk kid right and I'm living at home so now I move out now I'm on the run I'm on the run you know and I'm on the run and I'm in New York City I'm in Manhattan now I leave I have a fight with my dad that's why I didn't do a house for like six seven months because my dad and I we had a fight because I couldn't get paid

I'm like can I get my equal share like everybody else is getting right he's like fuck no he's like you're a fucking 15 year old kid what the fuck you're going to do it millions of dollars are you fucking stupid we're gonna fucking bury us all like you know he's like what are you gonna buy a fucking Ferrari like what was wrong with you you know he wanted loki me i wanted to show off i wanted to be somebody with my friends you know and hey look what i did so i had all a bunch of these uh you know these guys from south hackensack it's like soprano's and shit you know growing up in that area and uh they were doing credit card for it back then you know

so i was like i'm already a criminal i do fucking gem heist but they didn't believe me You know, that's something that people can't fucking fathom until you get arrested, right? You know, so there you go. I started getting arrested and I started becoming a real criminal. And I started going against my dad, me and my dad were like enemies at one point. I had my own crew and we wanted to kill each other. Yeah, like really, like we were really, like he had my money, you know, and I had this guy that was influencing me, a really bad character in the book. His name is Momo.

And he brainwashed me to go against my father. And it's like, it's a fucking crazy story, man. And this guy kidnapped me and all this shit, but, you know, yeah, yeah. So I broke away from my crew, from my father's crew, and I go with this guy, Momo. And we're just going crazy, you know, doing heist. How old were you then? Robin. I was, I was, what?

I was like I was, I was 18, 19. Yeah, yeah, 18, 19, yeah, 16, 17. Wait, hold on, 16, 17. 16, 17, 18, like that, 1718, 1718. 17, yeah, with this fucking guy. And he was a gangster, you know, he was somebody that people, like, looked up to my father,

pulled him in when he was, when he had problems and he was in my house, you know, like, before I went to Switzerland, to school and stuff like that, and, um, he, he was just a bad influence and, you know, he was like, you know, he made me go against my father. He was like, go get your fucking money.

Tell your father you want your shit. Don't let your father, you know, and, uh, I thought the grass was greener on the other side. Right. And family's always the best. They always have the best intentions, but I didn't understand that back then

because I was a kid during heist and I'm thinking that, hey, I brought you this money. You know, I brought you these millions. I mean, it's millions of dollars because if you resell it, you know, imagine, you know, we're getting full fucking retail for this shit.

Right. So it's not like, you know, you understand what I'm saying? We're paying, I'm paying the criminals that are working with me. I'm giving them peanuts. You know, they're getting 20, 30,000, 50,000, you know, whatever. But we're making all the money.

So all the heist have been happening that were going on, like it all goes to my dad, it goes to us, and we sell it all. But, yeah, my first ice was exciting. That it's enough to do one movie, just from that one hike, you know. So I had a lot of, like, beef with my dad. Me and my dad were, you know, bumping heads, man, you know. So what happened with this guy that you said you went off with when you were roughly 17, 18 years old? What were you guys doing?

Same thing or smaller heist? Like, how were those working? No, we were doing, we were stealing hikes for my dad and like we were scumbags. Yeah, we were fucking like, like you were bad, really bad. Like we were the bad version of what things were going on because we, you know, we used guns. We, you know, this guy would hurt people. He used violence. You know, he was just a bad character.

And I didn't know what I was getting myself involved because I was a young kid, you know? Yeah, 17, man. You know, I just turned 16, 16, 17, yeah, yeah, 17, 18, yeah, you know. He was like, you know, like, you know, like, you remember I told you I didn't do drugs or anything until I was like 23? Right.

He was heavily in drugs. He was involved, you know, cocaine with stuff. I could see everything, but I never did it, you know? And he was just a bad influence, you know, that influence, you know, I left my family. I left my dad. to be with this fucking person, right? And we're running around doing scores and robbing drug dealers and all the scumbag shit.

Like he was a scumbag criminal. He was nobody. My father made him into somebody, you know? So he was a person at church from California. You know what I mean? You know, in and out of L.A. County jail and stuff. Like you could imagine, you know, a thug, you know. So my father kicked him out the crew and it was bad.

it was bad because he didn't like that you know my father threw him out like a piece of garbage that he was you know and he didn't have any respect he didn't have any respect for us so how long did that go on before you went kind of got back in with your with your dad's crew not long i got yeah not long uh not long at all he had disappeared on us this guy because everybody was looking for him everybody wanted to fucking whack him you know they wanted to fucking kill this guy. He was so bad. Not just me.

It was everybody, you know. So he was like a ghost. He would come in town, do a heist, leave again. But what happened is he kidnapped me. He kidnapped me. I did a heist with these two other kids, these two other guys I put down. And he walked in the door when we were splitting the goods.

I couldn't believe it. You know, it was like, yeah, it was like a movie, you know. But, oh, before that, he punched. me in the face. I forgot to tell you this year. Holy fuck. Before that, here, this is the big fallout. He says, I want your son to come to Panarella's restaurant. He tells my father, my father's like, why? Because your son robbed me. He said that I robbed him, a truck full of silver. But what he did was he actually robbed my father and his friend Radoz in New Jersey. And he went, he knew that this guy was in Europe, but in the guy's, what is it called, garage, was, was, was, was, was, was, was like a million and a half dollars worth of silver coins.

I mean, you need a truck. You need a, need a whole truck, a van to move all this shit. It was this coin heist that we just did. All silver coins, morgans, you know, you know, I'm talking about silver American American, American, American, Americana coins, like the big, you know, yeah. So it was a whole, it was his, this guy's cut. He had my father's cut. his cut and like three cuts there three parts right so Momo this bad guy he learned about where this was

stashed he knew that he was in Europe and he knew that his girlfriend was there alone so what he does he comes there with a bunch of Albanian guys with a truck with a truck right with a white truck a big white pack wagon like a big you know big truck and he goes to the wife and he scares the shit out of it says hey Mr. Sting got busted by the FBI Everybody's in jail They're going to look for your husband

I came here to get the shit out the garage He knew He knew to say that And she immediately opened the garage And he fucking took all the fucking Million and a half dollars With the silver My father doesn't know this

Radha doesn't know Nobody fucking knows And he calls my father back Saying that I stole The silver from him That he stole But life knew he did it right yeah she said momo came here and picked up the silver but my father thought that i was involved

oh okay my name in it like i was involved because he said your son stole it he was my partner he told me about this and i screwed him and it was just not true you know he just used my name so he was like i want to see his son in panorella's and of course i'm going to come and so when i came there but what he did was he didn't want to pay those those three albanian guys that he was with so he had he had somebody steal the truck like they sat down to a restaurant at a restaurant Montezuma's and the truck

was parked like where you can see it but you can't run to it because it's too far right? Right. And there was this guy with a hat right in the hoodie or whatever that got in and just drove away and they were like, oh who's fucking driving away with the truck? And they're like it's fucking punch. Motherfucker, it's

punched. So Mama was saying it's me. So now I drove away with a million and a half dollars worth of silver and he's Albanians need their cut. You know, bad Albanians. Albanians are bad fucking, they're like murderers, you know, so you don't want to have any parts with these guys.

Right. So remember, Momo is a persona non grata. He has no ground to walk on. So he's using all the bad elements in New York, all these bad people to attach himself to because of who he was and who he ran with. And he's like, yeah,

I'll get you paid. Just come with me, hold me, you know, back me up, you know? So the Albanians were his backup. You know,

they paid for the truck. They paid for the rental. They paid for this because this guy's a scumbag. And he organized. he always blamed somebody out. He was very McAvelian. Very McAvelian. And he would do anything to get revenge on my

father, on me, or whatever. So he calls me to the restaurant and I'm over there with the homes guys, with these guys that I have from home security, which is very important. And they drive me there and they drive me off and Momo sees me there and the three Albanians and he has a rolled up

newspaper like this, you know, like a sort off shotgun. You know, like he had like one of those Mad Max shotguns, right? Sort off. And he had that in there and he, like, he sees me. And no, no, not yet. As soon as he sees me, soon as I come, he's, hey, he, punch, how are you?

And he punching me right in the fucking nose, right? Right, right here. Like, my lip. Like, right in front of everybody. This is, you know, there's tables outside, seats outside. This is a nice fucking restaurant. This is between 84th and 85th on Columbus Avenue called Ponorellas. And there's people eating spaghetti and linguine and fucking Kalmarra.

and shit, right? And this guy just fucking punches me. Bam! Right in front of everybody. And I'm bleeding and my lips are cut and I'm like, what the fuck? And then he goes and gets the newspaper because I'm going to retaliate. You know, I had a spider coat, you know, one of those knives, spider coat. And on my clip and I'm going to fucking get him now because he just fucking punched me out of nowhere.

You know? And he immediately went for this newspaper thing rolled up like it's a fucking, you know, and I'm like, oh shit, he has a gun. You know? I didn't have a gun on me. I'm coming there for a meeting I'm not allowed to have a fucking weapon right there with three fucking Albanians they jump up so I fucking you know

I maneuver and get the fuck up out of there I'm like why did the fuck did he punch me I don't know what the fuck is going on right this guy just punches me for no reason imagine I just meet you for the first time and I just fucking punch you right in the face you're gonna be shocked you know and this guy this is what he uses

he uses the element of surprise shock you know and I learned a lot from this fucking guy I learned a lot of bad things with him, you know? But, yeah, so that's the last time I seen him until he walked in the door like three months later when I was doing a hike with these guys. And these guys, they bring him there.

They bring my hand in me. Do you say they brought him here? Yeah, they brought him. They brought him to this place in New Jersey where I was diving up, like, I just did a heist with these guys. I put these guys on, not knowing that in the background,

momo is planning to fucking get me so they bring momo and i'm over there like you know fucking giving up the jewelry the goods and everything right right because we just pulled off a heist that night i'm in their place in new jersey uh i'm still having problems with my dad

you know what i mean because of momo i'm still like halfway here halfway there right and um and and and and What happens is that, yeah, these guys, they're not, these two, one guy's a karate dude, one guy's a boxer, right? So I put these two guys down with me because they're strong, I need strong guys, you know? So I need strong guys to fucking lift bags, you know, jewelry, you know, the stronger the guy, the more money I take, basically. I don't need a weak fucking guy because what he's going to take, you know, fill his pockets, you know, I need guys that can fucking, you know, I need steroid fucking guys.

I need guys that can fucking live like a fucking, you know, like gonties, like, you know, that can carry a load, you know. Inha, Anheuser-Bush horses, Clydesdales, that's what I need. Fucking Belgian horses. That's what I hire. Belgian horses only. And so these guys were the top of the cream. These guys are athletes, you know, they're fucking six foot two, six foot four. They're strong as fuck, you know, and I don't need anybody else.

I said, I got my fucking crew, these two guys right here, you know. one guy's a martial arts expert the other guys are fucking box and I'm over there and I'm there with one of the guys right with Nenna and this other guy he walks in with like lunch

and Momo and I'm like what the fuck the last time he punched me in the face right he wanted to kill me and he's blaming me you know to my dad that I'm doing all this shit and it's him

and Momo sees me and he's like hey don't worry I'm sorry I'm sorry I punched you. I had to do that because the guy I had to put a show on. I don't want to fucking pay down. You know, I apologize. I didn't hit you too hard.

Did I? Well, that makes it okay. Yeah, and I'm like, and he's laughing and he's like, come on, I love you. You're my brother. And he hugs me. He hugs me.

And me, he puts my guard down and these guys are laughing. And when Mama hugs me, he puts me in a yoke and chokes me to fuck out. And these guys are duct-taping me and putting handcuffs on me

and they're laying plastic out on the fucking floor. Why? They're ready to fucking kill me. They're ready to trap me to fuck up. They got hacksaws out. They got fucking, because now Momo and these two

fucking guys that I thought, that I thought they were going to be my fucking dream team, right? My NDPs? Momo takes them and says, we're going to take this fucking guy and just get the jobs from him. And we'll do the jobs because I had all the keys. I had all the fucking keys to 47th Street

you know I broke away from my dad I got my own shit I got keys to my father's shit I got keys to everybody's shit you know not good so now so now he he duct tapes me you fucking you know he drugs me up

he fucking it's crazy it's crazy and he says you're gonna die they're gonna find you like a dead junkie in the Hudson River they're gonna find me in the Hudson River like with needles and shit you know what i mean yeah and uh and and uh and and and and and then and mr stans son is gonna be a junky

fucking fucking motherfucker you know just really like he just you're dead that's it this is your life you're dead i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna get you like a fucking like a like a like a fish and and this guy i seen him do shit that stuff you know so you know i know what he's capable right i know 100% what he's capable and uh that's not one of the that's not one of the people I wanted to see ever he's the last person he's like the devil to me so this guy you know he's yoking me up I can't do anything I'm fucking losing consciousness you know I can't fight back so I got I got two I told you one guy's a boxer professional one guy's a professional martial artist these guys are not regular guy I'm much older now by the way I'm much older now this is like you

know um 20 something now okay okay yeah so you're not still 17 this has been you know I'm like 21 22 yeah I'm already like yeah I'm already doing my own thing you know like I'm like no I'm sorry I'm like 21 21 or 21 something like that so he walks in yokes me up I'm about to die he had me for three days for three days there until I got loose because I got loose because you know they duct tape me you know the sweat you know from your body right got the duct tape loose you know after three days and I uncuff myself thank God because I know about cuffs and I had a paper clip and not a paper clip a body pin or whatever and I was reversed and that's how I learned how to pick blocks behind my back

because it was fucking just, I got out, thank God. Miraculously, I was saved and I broke out. I didn't even go through the front window. I went out to the front door, I went out to the window. Everything was locked, double locked, you know? And I finally got out of there. I called my mom.

They had my rental, they were driving around my rental car. And I escaped, and I went right to my mom's, a Long Island house. I met her on 47th Street, and I went home to get a gun, to get a free 57 Magnum to go kill him. Right.

And I jump, I just know, she's in Long Island. So now I'm in Long Island. I got the gun. She didn't want to give me the gun. I'm like, give me the gun. I got the gun. And I go and wait for him because he took all my keys and he's about to do father's, uh, he's about to do a heist on my father's office on our office.

I don't know which one. We have six offices. So I don't know which one, but I go to the one where we have, you know, I know is more than a million dollars in the safe, right? right and uh but there's another safe that we have in another office that has even more money so i don't know which one he's going to choose but i'm there on 40th century and i'm waiting and i'm waiting and i was going to fucking i was going to do something that i never did before you know i was going to kill him in you know as soon as i see him i didn't give a fuck i was already

i had a plan i was going to pull the trigger as soon as i see him and just fucking pop him right there and whoever's with him and whoever's with him he just had me kidnapped for three days He was injecting me with drugs He, you know And he was saying he's going to He's going to kill you, right? He was also saying he was going to dump your body Yeah

Yeah, he was going to pull my teeth down He was going to put my toes off He was going to, oh my God, crazy shit, crazy shit So the stuff that I went through And these guys are laughing You know, I was dating one of his girlfriends One of the guys' girlfriends Or one of the girls that he thought he could date

Whatever, Katarina That's the daughter of Nicola Rebecca And this guy He was kicking me in the head and everything Like one of the guys, I made them money. This guy asked me, you know, please help us make money. And I was like, all right, come on. And I said, just listen to me.

Just listen to what I, you know, and the reason why they did it, because they said I took two cuts. Yeah, I took two fucking cuts. One's for my mom and once for me. Right. My mom is the one that gave me the job. They didn't like that. They didn't like that. They didn't like that.

So, Mom said, oh, no, he's going to run. you know they brainwashed these guys so on the end of the day they momo robs them also you know when i come out of jail they're begging for me to forgive them for what they did you know that's part two book okay well when you get out jail you said you went and got a gun what happened oh well yeah i got arrested i got arrested but not for a body or anything like that i got arrested because um i went after that i couldn't find him i was there for a couple hours i don't know i missed him i did not see him, you know, it was a miss, and I went up town to get some money to collect some money that was old to me, and I get arrested with the gun.

So I got to have a gunshot. I mean, right his own. Okay. You know. And, uh, how long were you in jail? And, um, maybe just like three days or something like that, three, four days, you know, until they found out and I got bailed out or whatever, because that was on the alias. Was I on a, yes, I was an alias. So I had a gun charge with an alias. And, you know, that's serious in New York in Manhattan. If you have a gun, it's a felony and it's a violent felony. This gun was defaced.

The serial numbers were off. And the other points. And yeah, so like, you know, I got a charge, you know, and that's, you know, a gun charge. So that's one of the cases that popped up later when I was doing time, this gun charge. You know, it prevented me from doing the shot camp that 50 cent did. Right. You know? Yeah.

So this is what threw me out. He was getting thrown out the same day I was getting thrown out for the gun. But he had a pistol, a cap pistol. So he was a lot to do to program. Me, they sent me to big boy prison, you know. So I go to Attica. They'd send me to Attica, you know, we're one to three. But so what happened after you got arrested, you got out?

The guy's still. Yeah. What was his name, MoMA? What was his name? Momo, Mo Mo Mo Mo, he's still out there. Like, what happens with that? Do you go talk to your dad? Do you...

Oh, yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, of course, everybody's retaliating. He disappears again, like, everybody's looking for, you know. So, yeah, then I get arrested again. Like, you know, I start doing things. Oh, this is what happened. Then, miraculously, I meet Carlos Medina, one of the security guards that I wanted to meet since I seen him because he's slow. he's a little chunky

he walks slow he's a perfect security guard for home security and I meet him in a bar in a blarney stone I see him going into a bloney stone after work and I'm over there

and I'm flush with cash I just did a heist last night I got a Rolex with all diamonds and shit presidential and I meet him I'm sitting next to him at the bar and I'm like hey let me get you a hyneke let me get your beer

he's like sure you know it's fucking starving this guy but what happened oh that night that night I did heist. Listen, oh no, the night, the night or the night before. I think it was the night before that. And I tell him, I said, I said, I got it. I'll pay the cab, you know? So we had like three, four beers already.

Okay, three four beers. I'm already fucking blasted because three beers fucking, I'm drunk, you know, and three beers. And he's just knocking him back and everything. And I'm like, hey, uh, did you find the stuff that I left for you? And he turns around and he's like, what? Like, yeah, I left a bunch of stuff on the floor for you diamonds that were like fucking baboons did you pick them up and he turns around and i said and i even said the company i said mr pearl and he said he turned on he said that's you and i said yeah he paused for a second and turned around and said oh my god i'm shaking he said i've been praying to god that i would meet the guys that do the heist on 47th street he doesn't know who does them

you know, he sees that people are doing them, but he doesn't know who. And he would always find shit on the floor because stuff would drop, basically, you know, from the business. You know, it's messy. And, but it looks like I left it for them, basically. So, you know, people are rushing to the scene. You have cops rushing to the scene. You have firefighters rushing to the scene. You have security guards rushing to the scene.

Security guards are the only guys that have keys to the place. You know that, right? The cops can't get in. commercial place ADT who had they have the keys only the security guards

so Carlos is the guy that has the keys that he needs to let the cops so if there's a burglary happening on the fifth floor the first responder

is Carlos he has to come there with the keys to open the door for the police remember it's commercial so it's very perfect so I can get away

because I'm in a backyard you know I'm going into another building from the backyard I'm not even on the street meanwhile I have my father and all the lookouts with walkie talkies

telling me the security guards coming the walk you know the cops coming you know the police are there you know they're letting me know what's happening

the SWAT team's coming ESU you know emergency service unit whatever it is and and I would know and to be quiet or to you know

to hide or or wherever the fuck it is that I need to do right so so I would have eyes and ears always a walkie talkie right and always

you know a guy with me either one guy or two guys you know that's how I work and these two guys they would just come and give me tools you know on the flashlight

giving the screwdriver open the bag you know that's it I do everything you don't have to do shit Matt if you want to make a million dollars with me we can do that very easily

all you got to do is just fucking come with me in 15 minutes with rich like it's so easy I'll do a break in and entering I'll open the fucking safe I'll take out the diamonds and we split the shit And that's it.

You're fucking rich. I'm rich. You know, we go out separate ways. Nobody knows nothing. They're never going to catch this. Because I disconnect alarms. You know, I do a runaway. I don't have to disconnect alarms.

I can play games with them. I'll take a slingshot and break the windows. That's what we used to do in Manhattan. I break the window or fucking Sacks Fifth Avenue. What do they have to do? They have to send a home security guard to stay there until they put out of board. If not, it's going to get looted. So that's one guard out of, out of a commission.

I would do that three, four times. now all the guards are out so I would break into the home security office go on a computer while they're all out busy they have their gun racked there they got their computer why would I go there

because I'm there with the manager of home security he knows all the fucking codes you know he's a dispatcher so he would log in and we'd shut off fucking alarms like a list of 10 of them for next month

for next month 30 days from 10 night at Friday 8 o'clock this one is going down and what do you do you just pay him no no he's part of the crew he's part of the crew bunch of this is one of the guys that i was worked with he's he's a guy that i brought to my father my father never hooked up with these guys because my father's not american you know i'm american i'm born here my father's born in in the kingdom of of Yugoslavia you understand what i mean yeah he speaks with an accent he could never connect with these guys

you know they would there would never be a connection like that me how was the nucleus that made it all happen because I brought a fucking home security guard to my father you know and that was the biggest gift that I brought him and that caused us

to disconnect alarms to have information to get keys to duplicate keys and to pillage and we did what we wanted to on 47th Street We're the kings of 47th Street.

Not only that, we had a safe guy, the guy that creates vaults and safes on 47th Street. If you're going to make a safe or a bolt, you're going to buy from him. So he's able to, he's able to, um, he's able to basically what, get into the safes or he has the keys, he has a combination, like, he would give me the schematics, the schematics on how to open the safe. Okay.

He's the guy. If you get a combination, you hire him. He would open it for you. The best safe craftsman in the world was with us. And he's Albanian. We're all familiar with Albanians when it comes to the crime, right? They're prolific. You know, whatever they do, they're prolific.

Me, I come from a Serbian background. Whatever they do, they're prolific. I mean, just look at Novak Djokovic, the tennis player. That's called Enok. That's what my father does. Just look at the basketball player from the Nuggets. Nikola Yokic, he's the MVP. He's Serbian.

He's from my country. He's from my town. That's what he has. Enough. So just picture guys like that on my crew. So. I got boxers. I got wrestlers.

I got karate guys. I got guys that are athletes, gymnasts, guys that are physically, I got ex-military guys. Ex-military. Now I got 100. ex-military guys that were in military and they know when when I tell them that I need this this and this done I can shout at them and scream at them and they got it they program that they're not going to fuck it up they know what to do so what this was perfect it was a perfect storm what is what was the most audacious one that you pulled off the one that I did and I left

like 15 million dollars in cash 20 million 23 million dollars in cash so shit from page page on the paper it said stupid burglars leave take one million two million leave 13 or 23 million behind or something like that

1993 we robbed 55 exchange the world's largest exchange I'm gonna give you two stories yeah how did you get in

how'd you get into that one how'd you come across that job okay this one guy gave us stop do you know how fast you were going

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Tickets on sale now. August 1st. His job, the guy that does the safes. Okay. He went to them and he was like, you need to upgrade, you need to upgrade your vault. And he went to a bunch of times. And they said they were going to do it. They didn't do it.

They were going to do it. They didn't do it. So in the end, they didn't do it. Okay? There was a bunch of bullshit that was happening. And he was very mad and he comes to me and my dad with the schematics, with a file. And he's like, you'll go check these guys out. They have, they have some fucking big jewelry.

They're always in and out. They're always doing something. You know, so I was like, all right, fine. This was funny. You're going to fucking love this, Matt. Matt, wake up. This is going to be fucking amazing. Listen to this shit.

Right across the street, right across the street from this place, the FBI was watching them for three months. They were recording them for three months. and the FBI has the recording of me going to the front of the building because I'm on this is the seventh floor so there's a ledge on the building

so I got to the ledge from the back and I'm on the front of the building front of 47th Street and I'm walking in, open the window and I get into the window of this place. This is a huge place. It's like 3,000 square feet

and I find money bags but wait, I didn't know there were money bags because I didn't take them. Obviously if I knew there were money bags that took of them, right? But what we do is me and this other guy, Edo, we opened two safes back to back. We took $1.5 million each. It's $3 million in diamonds and sapphires and jewel.

It's fucking amazing. I mean, I was so happy. I couldn't believe it. But when I went to go look at the place, I went into one of the rooms and there was these money bags, these draft bags, right? draft bags, like U.S. mail bags, big ones. Yeah, yeah. Each one had $5 million in cash.

Colombian drug lords were laundering their money through these the city of Jews. They all get arrested the next day. The next day, 13, 14 people get arrested.

They all get taken out in handcuffs. All Hasidics. Hasidics. Okay? And in the papers, they were laundering money for the Colombian drug dealers. So this is money.

There was like $23 million there that we left behind that the feds took that I didn't know. Imagine I took one of those bags. And I went there and I kicked it. I was like, what the fuck is this shit?

I'm kicking these bags. And the reason why I went into the room because I had to use the torch, the oxyacetylene, well, that's a manufacturing firm. So they have their own bottles. You know,

the big bottles of oxyacetylene, oxygen bottles. Yeah. And I would just put my gear on it. So I dragged it out of that room. You know, because my shit ran out. I had a little arc kit,

you know, with a little bit in it, you know, and the shit fucking ran out. So I needed, so all I had to do is put my gear on to their fucking oxy acetyllin.

You know, for the porch. because I opened the safe with a torch and I had a cut a hole with a torch first and then I had a healthy nail gun with attachment that I shot and it broke the inside tumbler and it opened the safe. It was genius.

This is the type of safe that I opened them in there. But look, I did this fast, man, and they didn't have alarms for some reason or I found out that their alarm situation was not working you know, like it wasn't responding because I tried them again. like I tried something. I tried a window or tried something

a couple of days before that and it didn't go off like it didn't register, you know. I tried to send a zone one or zone two to the company to home security to see if they got it. But home security told me they're not even in the registry

meaning they didn't pay their bill for months. So something is going on. So I do the job with Edo. I open one safe this way. He opens the safe this way. We're fucking happy as fuck. I'm fucking celebrating, but, and the way we left is through another way.

We went through the back fire escape, okay? Interior fire escape of the building, and that's how I got, you know, to my office. But I went in through the front. So the feds clearly see us going in. And they have a camera pointing because there's a hotel, and they have a hotel room for two months watching these people. They're investigating them for fucking permission. And they have to arrest them all of them because why we did a burglary.

so you know they had to come in do you understand what I'm saying like they didn't want to fucking arrest them they arrested them all and I didn't know this because I'm now hiding in my now watch what happens me and Edo

it's just two of us two of us and like two three guys on the street and I'm in my office now what I used to do is to lock myself in the office because it's nighttime right three four o'clock at night and I have to wait for like eight nine o'clock for people to start moving you know so I can come out

normal and look normal I don't want to be out there at three o'clock in the morning, because I'm going to be the only one there, right? So now, so I'm there with my fucking, we're going through this shit. And I'm like,

oh my God, we got so much fucking money. This is a huge fucking score. This is amazing. Holy fuck. Like, we did it. I'm going through these pieces. I'm looking at everything.

I'm like, yeah, this is worth $7,000. This is worth $15,000. This is worth $27,000. And then we're just adding it up. And I'm like, we did very good. We did very good. And he's happy because I know the value of stuff.

You know, he doesn't, you know, because he's not. in the business um like i was so so i'm telling him hey man we made we made a lot of money here you know we have to split at five ways me my my dad the guy that gave us the job you know in lookouts and stuff right so now uh we're there and my father calls me in the morning like like nine o'clock 10 up 8 830s like he's bringing coffee right he's like he's like do not come outside what the fuck did you do who the fuck did you kill i mean what are you talking about he says the place is crawling with feds i said what you mean he's like just don't just stay there just stay

there i'll bring you i'll bring you i'll bring you i'll bring you food so we're we're not going anywhere the guy that gave us the job comes there he's like what the fuck happened what happened what's going on the feds are everywhere i mean they're crawling they take these people out in handcuffs women uh old lady uh guys old men were hecithics you know the The, you know, the hat, curls, the people. Yeah, 12, 13 people get arrested like this. They took out all those bags of money, all those bags of money. This was a front page, $23 million that I left behind, okay?

And my father found out, because it came out in the second late edition, the late edition paper, it was afternoon. They did another printout, not the morning, the afternoon edition. Right. And my father comes there, and he hits me in the head. He's like, you didn't look in the bags, you fucking idiot. You know, and he hits me with the paper. And he's like, look, stupid burglars leave $23 million behind.

I don't know if it was 23 or 15. I just can't remember the fucking number. If it was 23 or 15, but it was like, he was up there. I don't know how the paper labeled it. But that was a front paper that stands out. Same building. Same building. I did another job.

And this person that allegedly was, Well, the only person that lived in this area with his son got killed by his son. And the guy did some drugs, LSD or something. He went on in the street naked. But what he did was he killed the cat. He killed the father. I think he cut the father's head off and he threw it out the window where we were working. We were doing a job there.

That's Murphy's law. Me and Jamie Schaefer, this Olympic Olympian that worked at the whiskey bar for, for, for, that's why I met him at the whiskey bar. He worked for Randy Gerber and Paul Montana, and he was the host. He was six foot six, six foot seven, he was an Olympic rower for the Canadian rowing team. He has a silver medal. Okay. So I now have an Olympian on my crew. And we're about to do, we're about to pull off this most amazing highest also.

given to us by the same guy, okay, that does the safes, right? And this is, yeah, 55th Street between 5th and 6th Avenue. And we get arrested by homicide. I get arrested by homicide division because they went out there to find the head. And they see us to jerk off opening a fucking vault on the ceiling of, I mean, on the, on the, I call it, on the roof. going into we already we're in we're in the vault right and and we we we're all I did is is make the hole right cut the hole and and I'm going to go and get two other guys to come in to help me

because it's a lot of fucking that we had we just opened the vault for the whole entire 55 exchange the world's largest exchange Matt the world's large large listen to this the world's largest jewelry exchange in the world we just opened the vault for the world's largest jewelry exchange and you get arrested by homicides I'm getting By homicide, by homicide, because there was a, this guy, the only guy that lives there, lost his fucking shit and killed his dad and threw the head out the window. And the homicide detectives are coming there to fucking retrieve the head. And they fucking bust us. And I had the article for you.

It says head, cat, and bird, found dead in the backyard, burglars get arrested. It was a crazy fucking story. But that's that Murphy's law that I was telling you about. And the reason why, because I was too cocky, I had an ego problem, you know, edging got out when you think you're like God because you're doing all these things. Remember, I could open a safe like that. So you have $100 million in that safe. It's not safe for a guy like me. You know what I mean?

Right. And that's how I felt. I felt like, you know, I was one of these guys that the same guys that have like 150,000 bitcoins, you know, today. you know, they, they feel like you can do whatever they want because they did something in your life, they bought it cheap. You know, they got it for, for pennies, you know. And, and that's how I felt. Like, I felt like this little king of New York, you know, that I used to do whatever I wanted to do because I had the diamonds. I had the goods. I made the money. I made things move. What did the homicide detectives say?

They fucking couldn't believe it. Like, they, you know, they, they, they just, They just could not believe that we were fucking doing a fucking heist during this murder. Now, like, what, you guys didn't see us? And the thing is that, because I said I had an ego problem, I had to go get another walkie-talkie, but I was lazy. My father said, you better have that walkie talkie

because that covers that 6th Avenue Street, that lookout, and I forgot to get it, it wasn't charged. Like, I didn't charge it or something. So it wasn't working. A Motorola, you have to charge it, right? Right. And I didn't have eyes on that. on that side.

So I didn't know that these guys were fucking there. And I thought, you see, because I was there with Jamie, get Jamie Schaefer, the Olympian, and we just, we just fucking completed a hole on the roof of this exchange, right? And we're inside the fucking ball. All we've got to do now is get the stuff, is go there, you know,

go inside the vault and grab the shit, right? And I see that, now I have one of those, you know, the battery packs with the light on it? It's a battery, like a big, big 12-bolt, 13-ball, I don't know what it, like a big battery pack with a with a spotlight i have that shining into the hole and i turn around and i see somebody pop their fucking head out from behind the air conditioning

like like this you know like i'm like what the fuck that scared the shit out of me i'm like you know somebody's playing games i'm thinking it's one of my father's friends playing games with me i'm thinking it's zoran you know and it wasn't a fucking 13 cops jump up 13 cops man one here i mean they had fucking like it was an assaulting it was a homicide division You know, I'm sorry, emergency service unit, it's the SWAT team. Okay? So when I got arrested by the SWAT team, I got beat up by them, really bad. I thought I was going to die back there, you know.

And my friend Jane Schaefer, the Olympian, he got attacked by the dog, and he gets a flashlight, a maglight in his back. They broke his vertebrae or some shit. They messed them up, man. You know, they really messed them up. And I thought, yeah, they pulled us up by our ears and they threw us over a fucking wedge. And I thought we were going to die. These guys were not playing games with us, you know?

and not friendly at all, not friendly at all. But you ever get arrested by violent cops? No. But you've seen it, right? You've seen people. Yes. Yeah, you're lucky, man. Yeah.

So I got my ass handed to me by them, but my friend got worse because he got a sick by, you know, you got to touch by a dog. That's, those are two highlight stories that I got to tell you because, you know, one is a murder mystery, right? You know, while we're doing one of the biggest jobs in history, right? a multimillion dollar job and the other one was something that we left behind

you know millions of dollars in cash that belong to the cartel right and I could have tucked this shit I was kicking it I was like what the fuck what this dirty laundry like who the fuck brings this in the fucking like what I didn't understand what it was

just imagine you're seeing 14 15 bags you know huge you know those big U.S. nail bags with the you know sealed like you know they had to the rope around it you know and you know what the fuck it was. I was kicking it. How do you?

I never would suspect it was cash. How do you ultimately get caught? How I got caught by Joe Keenan, this cop, major case squad. He came to my office and caught me. When I did one of the, this is how he caught me. I used to wear, I wore blackface to look dark, right, to change my appearance. And when I broke into home security, would, would munch me. cheap with my partner.

I had a Daytona diesel vest, a lot of vests, expensive vest, like, you know, Daytona diesel or racing, it's a Daytona, diesel, Florida, and it looked like Mickey Rock or something would wear it, you know, one of those. And I had that on, stupidly, ego, during the heist. And they had a video of that. The face, they can't tell because I have a hat, glasses, you know, I got dark, dark, I got black face on, you know, I look Spanish or black, right? I don't look like me.

And my partner, Munchy, he put on white face. You know, he changed his appearance like he's, you know, anyway, and he put a hat on and a wig. You know, so we look very different. Like when we, because we know we're going to be on video. Right. We're going into, we're breaking into home security, you know, home security office on 580 Fifth Avenue,

on 580 Fifth Avenue. And the way we did that, I told you, we get a slingshot and we break the windows. So all the security guards and dispatchers would have to leave, you know, to secure the fucking, you know, the place where we damaged on purpose so we can get in there.

So that video damaged me because he's seen the Daytona, Florida, diesel, red, had the red vest, like it was black with gray and it had like red in the back. And if you see it one time, and you're a cop, you're gonna fucking remember it.

And I walked past him on 47th Street. He was walking. walking into my building, into my building, right? In 45 West 47th Street, where my father's at upstairs, he's walking in and I'm walking out. And I bump into him. And this is just by coincidence? Coincidence.

Coincidence. And I bump into him on the street, but he's there investigating us, basically. He's coming into, you know. And I bump into him and he turns around. Oh, no, he's leaving the building. I'm coming in the building. That's what it was. He was leaving our building.

I'm coming in. I'm with money. I'm with money, Mike. one of my guys uh Michael Mike Jones the only the only guy

the only American pure blood American guy that was on our crew uh Mike Jones uh he he has like a German background and he was he was down with me he was my guy and I'm walking in

building and I tell Mike I bump into him and I'm like Mike that guy that's a cop I know him I'm telling him look that's a fucking cop man Those guys are cops. And they left.

So they left. So I go upstairs to my father and to my mother. My mom's not there. My father and my father and me and I don't know who else and Mike. And I go up there and I tell my dad, hey, I just bumped into fucking two cops. Soon as I'm saying that, they're fucking opening the door. They're breaking open in the fucking door. And they pull out the gun, you know, the little 38 special, the way they do it,

And they pull out the badge And I'm over there I fucking I turn white I think almost You know my fucking heart Went down to my ass But I was like what the fuck I knew I was getting arrested

And you know that's the worst film Right If you had plans that night It was my girlfriend's birthday And whatever I was planning to do a heist But after that You know

So I had all these plans And I'm like Oh my shit I'm going to fucking jail And this guy arrest me You know And that's how I got caught But I made the case squad

Joseph Keenan And you couldn't Google This guy's a legend I mean, he only arrests people that do Pink Panther type shit. You know, crimes, you know, expensive paintings, you know, $12, $13 million artifacts and shit. Like, this guy's, he's the equal. Joe Canaan, Major Kaye Squad. This is one police plaza.

They have their own division. They had a division for me. They basically made a division just for us. So what? That was one of their biggest guys they got. Right. So he caught you for just one of the burglaries? No, no, I got a stackload of, for everything.

They blame me for everything. Okay. He wanted to put at least like 20, 30, yeah, ice on me. So what happened? What, what did they say to you? They come in. I was fighting. I was fighting.

No, I was fighting. You know, I had Ronald Rubenstein and Nick Carrasso, you know, and then, you know, I was fighting it. I was going to trial, you know, and I told you. I got a one to three for a bunch for like five, six of them put together. the other, you know, and I copped out. I got a one to three. Actually, I wasn't supposed to do one to three.

I was only supposed to do two months. Two months. But I did what you did. And I caught a charge while I was on probation. So I caught that gun charge. That gun charge. Right. And when I just told you, that's the one.

That's the one that, that, that, that was, that was right in my case. It's from 89 to 94. I go to jail 94. So, okay, so I was on a run the whole time. So you took a. The different aliases and stuff. So you took a plea because I understand that we've spoken before, but people that are listening to this or watching this don't know what you got.

Right. So you- My plea, yeah. Right, go ahead. What was your plea and how did it fall apart? My plea, yeah, my plea was six months, five years probation. It was ridiculous. Right.

Okay. I had three months in with all that time that I had like, going in and out. So I only had to do like two months. And I would have probably got a time cut. Yeah. 60 days I would have been off. County.

Easy. Easy. And I messed that up because Momo kidnapped me and all this other stuff. And that's how I get that gun charge during while I'm on probation. Yeah. For the for the cases, for Joe Keenan's case and all that. Everything came together. And you went to that.

What happened with the shock? the shock well that's i went to jail i went to jail in 94 and i went to shock and then the gun charge popped up they took me out of shock and you know i thought i was going to yeah it was first i'm sorry six months six months five years probation right i messed that up with the gun charge that i caught while i was on on parole like during not parole probation waiting to do my trial the judge wasn't having and she was like look i have you out here uh on bail and you mess up again So now she took back the six months, five years and gave me a one to three mandatory upstate, meaning I have to go up north. They're going to shave my head, you know, and I didn't want to do that.

Who wants to go upstate? You know, they shave your head. Do they do that everywhere or no? No. No, not, I mean, not in the beds. I mean, I've never been to state prison, so. Oh, you haven't visited this. Oh, you're lucky.

You're lucky, lucky. No. Of course. Well, oh, you skated, man. You're lucky, man. you're so fucking lucky you haven't seen the dungeons that I've been in man holy crap

probably that for another day but yeah they shave your head they delouse you they do all that crap you know and they put you in downstate from downstate they reclassify you and he sent me with 50 cents to shotgun so I'm like I still got it good I'm still gonna be out in six months

I do five months out of that you know and I'm gonna be out in one month and all of a sudden a gun charge pops up and now I have to do my time my official one to three during that time feds came got me New Jersey came to pick me up in New Jersey I blew trial

I was going back and forth I got six years in New Jersey consecutive or concurrent concurrent with my time in New York and the feds picked me up and in the feds I'm facing life because they have me for some arm trafficking of sheriff laws

rockets rocket laws LWs you know what that is Rocket launchers. Oh, Rocky launchers. Yeah. A whole container with my fingerprints on it, which is bullshit for the war because, you know, there's a war that started in Serbia, in Yugoslavia, and they said that I sent these

from the proceeds from the, from the heist, that I was buying weapons and sending, that's their charge, just fucking crazy. So I got Robert Wolf, you know, that was my second lawyer, Robert Wolf. Robert S. Wolf is the best federal law you can get. You know who he is. Robert S. Wolf. Yeah. Very, very, very, very important.

and I saved my life. Do you get the charges dropped from the feds or what? How does that work? Statue limitations. Oh, okay. I beat on statute limitations. They didn't have enough time to prosecute me on this. So that was good.

But I still caught another violent cutting in Otisville. I was facing 30 years for that because the guy was an informant. He got cut and you know how that works. So, you know, I beat the case and now I'm facing a cutting, a violent cutting in Otisville, you know, that happened in 1997. And in 1997, every mobster, everybody that was doing any kind of crime in New York on a large level was arrested in 1987. Giuliani had his lane in campaign. He arrested everybody that was in the organized crime, gangs, drug gangs.

That's when Rico started heavy. How much time did you end up doing? 16 years and five years to all. So 21 years out of my life, I gave it to the system. 21 years. When did you get out? 16 inside. 2010.

2010. Okay. 2010. I finished parole 2015. I had a full supervision. Intense parole supervision in New York. I transferred it immediately because there's no such thing as parole in Florida. They only have probation.

So I was living the life here, man. Since 2010, oh my God. It's a dream. It's another movie. That's another book. That's part four, basically. But you're going to love that part because I get big things. I did huge things.

And then I retired. I retired crime in 2012, 13. 2013 I was out of it. Like, I was still doing crime while I was on parole. Right. I wasn't a goody-goody until like 2013. So 2013. So I've been 10 years free of crime.

Like nothing. I can cross the line. and what do you do now today I'm a visual artist like the way you said you chose your path and you came out but I sold my first painting for 4,000 oh yeah yeah my painting

I don't go for 4,000 I'm in a gallery I'm a gallery artist and thanks to a layer cake New York is another guy that I'm going to introduce you to his name is Layer Cake New York is an artist Sean Sullivan he was also in the feds Sean Burbage good friend brother partner you know and he's the guy that got me in the gallery scene you know with the gallery people

and stuff like that so he's doing huge things yeah uh so layer cake new york on instagram you could find him me punch approved you could find me you know and uh i'm an artist today i do murals i do freestyle art i'm a you know freestyle artist so um yeah i do exhibits uh i did a bunch of stuff in Dallas, you know, for the Mavericks, for, you know, for like the stadium over there. And, yeah, I love doing this. This is my, my speed. I like anything to, I like to create. I do that, and I sell baseball cards, Metazoo cards, and, and the sports collectibles

and stuff like that. You know, I'm living the life. I'm living the dream, man. I love it. author of a book you know the next one's coming out coming out at the end of the year

you know the movie's coming I mean so much potential I'm going to have a part in this in this movie if this comes out I'm going to be Tugentani the character from Joe Pashu from

The Fallons I'm going to be the real Tugenton if I get the part well I got the part I just do the movie you see there's a lot of things happening in Hollywood right now that are not

you know the writers stuff that's happening we're going back to the 70s again it's going to be a lot of game shows and you know reality stuff so it's going to be like that for a while you know but they're taking a lot of independent a lot of independent people which is good so another person I want to connect you with is Steve

Daniels a former cop a former cop that was a chippendale dancer a jigolo like a chippendale right and the shield and what was it sex in the shield that's his story but he's a all he's a director and a producer. Sorry. Okay.

This guy makes movies. He makes movies. He makes movies and he's a phenomenal guy, man. He's another person I want to, I want you to put in your rollobecks of people that we choose to. Listen, our platform is amazing. You have an amazing platform. So I thank you for having me as a guest. Thank you so much, man.

You're your sweetheart. I really like you a lot. Your voice, you're passionate. You're a movie star, man. And I told you that I'm going to cast you in my. in my project. Did I say that? Yeah,

you told me that. I want you to be a, yeah, I want you to be a bartender or I'll be the doorman. Something. I'll be one of the security guards that we'll be walking around. Would you be a cop? Sure.

Did you be a cop, maybe? Make a great cop. I think, I think you'd be a great cop. No, seriously, because you have the blue eyes and you got the hair,

you got everything. You got the, you got all the goods. But I want us to promote, listen, I want us to do our projects. I want us to promote each other. Our platforms are important.

I think you're, voices. You're a beacon of light for everyone. And as I said, I commended you. You hit the ground running. Me, I waited. I had to finish my parole because that's just how it was. But I was doing phenomenal on parole. I need to write a book on how to survive parole, you know, parole or things like that. This is something we need to do. But yeah. So what did we get today? We got the first heist, right? We got the two intense heists that happened that stand out from the rest of the the crowd, you know, that make it pretty unique, you know. And as I said, this is something Hollywood loves to eat.

They love this type of stuff, you know, especially elusive characters and guys that go through those doors that we're not supposed to go through. So I just love our lives. And I love that we fucked up our lives and we're not. Today, we're completely opposite of what we used to be, you know. Like today, me, I just want to be a better version than I was yesterday. And that's what I thrive every single day. Just wake up, give thanks to God.

And then I'm still alive and still here breathing because many of my cohorts, many of my people, many of my associates, they're no longer here. You know, I lost my father recently last year, you know. I lost maybe five, six good guys in the past of, yeah, five, six years, you know. And it's very hard on me because I'm like the last one left. So listen, I have a question. question for yes yeah gerald blanchard was a canadian he was a canadian that was he was doing credit cards but he was also breaking into say breaking into vaults breaking into banks and he actually i don't know where he was i mean i'm going to say he was in i don't know whatever

it was like it was like a belgium or something but it wasn't belgium but it was one of these one of the Eastern European or European countries smaller countries and he was on vacation and he goes through he went through a museum now the museum

was you know it was a former castle because you know in Europe a lot of the castles they've turned into museums so he's going through the museum and they show an exhibit of the it's called the cyst I want to say diamond or something like that.

It was a huge diamond with a bunch of larger diamonds around it. It was like a pendant, right? And it was loaded onto a little spring that you're inside of a case. Well, he sees it and he think, man, that would be, like he immediately looked at it and said the only thing that the only alarm system is obviously it's a spring. you could tell it was on a like if you moved it it would spring up and it set the alarm and it's something that was put together probably in the 1970s or 80s and he sees and he thought I'll bet you I could steal that he's on vacation so he goes out and he finds someone now he also is a skydiver you know one of the things he does because as I'm sure you know you know crime is

not what go ahead no I'm sorry go ahead Crime is not a full-time job. So, you know, it doesn't take 40, 50 hours a week. So you usually have other stuff you're doing, right? Like, you know, I'm committing bank fraud, but I'm also doing sculptures and painting. You know, this guy, you know, I'm working out. Like, I have plenty of time on my hand. So he also skydives.

So what he does is he gets a pilot to take him out in the middle of the night, drop him over the museum. He parachutes down in the middle of the night, lands on the top of the museum, goes in the side window, super glues the you know the little thing the little spring mechanism super glues it takes the diamond replaces it with a replica that he bought in the um in the in the in the gift shop downstairs it takes them about three or four days before they even realize that it's been stolen they find the parachute that he used in a garbage can across the street and it wasn't it was several years later when he got he gets busted for something else in Canada he was doing he was breaking into a bank at night and even his bank jobs were ingenious he would

find banks that were being built he would go in before the alarm systems were set he would cut in all of these fake holes and things and then the night before they went live he would go in through the ventilation system and take all of the motion detectors and he would black out sections of the motion detector so he could drop through the roof and walk through the lobby to the back of the ATM machines. He had already ordered duplicate keys of the ATM machines using the, using the serial numbers because they weren't loaded so they're not locked. So if you go in before the bank, all the alarm system were set, he could get the codes, order the keys, and just wait. So he drops down, he would open up.

the backs of all the, all the ATM machines and pull all the money out, you know, whatever it was, 50 or 100,000, 200, they're loaded. Right. So he gets caught for that one day. Because the cops know he's doing something and they're following him. And one day they follow him there and they arrest him. When they arrest him, they're like, yeah, you're looking at like 10 years. And he says, what if I could solve a mystery in another country? They're like, what do you mean? Like, what if I could tell? you where this diamond was and he actually had stolen the diamond had taken it and it was in his grandmother's basement hidden away and he said and he had done it knowing someday i may need this like he didn't need the money so he ends up getting like two years uh two years in prison but two years in prison for a nonviolent crime in canada is basically you end up doing three months house arrest and that was it and then you're on probation it's a slap and it's amazing i'm not familiar with the story it's very much it for some reason your story really reminds me of that story very cool very cool he's got these he said the guy's name is again his name was

the art of the steel i know this gerald blancher yeah i was it's one of those movies One of those stories that when you read the article, the whole time, all I could think of is this has to be a movie. And it's the same thing with the whole time you're explaining this. It's like, this has to be a movie. Yeah, it's something that if I could tell you, like authors, any author that hears a story, I mean, it's very hard to explain in one hour. I mean, we have 50 years worth of, you know, heist and stories like this. It's not just one. Most people only have one height or two heist and they make a movie or a book about it, you know, which is okay.

me I did this day in day out this is my full-time job I woke up in the morning doing heist and I went to sleep doing heist and it doesn't matter if I was in jail for all these years even the three years that I was out I did more in my three years

than people were doing their lifetime because I worked every day and people can understand how I did that many because they're like how many I did these I've lost count okay it's something that I love to do it's something that was done

when uh when when when uh you know from wake up tonight and then the planning of of what my week was going to look like you know this was this was a phenomenal time and and it just it's a small period of my life because i did get arrested other people weren't in jail they didn't get arrested you know and they got lazy me uh i had to do the time and then that time that uh okay my bid was broken up twice, two bids. The first one I did seven years out of that one to three. Okay. And I came home to no parole. And that's when I really turned it up with everything, not just burglaries, credit card fraud and selling of narcotics and all that other stuff. Like, you know, anything to make money. I got involved. I was enthralled and trenched into that

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