Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - America’s Most Notorious Cop Speaks Out | Mike Dowd on Police Corruption

Episode Date: April 25, 2026

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So, yeah, so what happens is there's little things along the way, little opportunities along the way that you don't take. Right. And you're like, damn, I could have took that money or I could have took that drugs, whatever it was.

Or maybe I could have let this person go or, you know, told them, you know, hey, throw me 100. I'll let you go. Or if it's for a ticket, if it's, but, you know, there's little things along the way that show up. And then the back, the back of your head, you go, I could have just, I could have took something there. And, but put the good guy in you wins out early on. And then after a while, what happens is this. You get disenfranchised.

You get disenfranchised. That's a bullshit term. you know, disenfranchised. Like, you know, I'm a voter. I'm disenfranchised. Go vote, motherfucker. Anyway. So, sorry.

I'm sorry. I get so fucking, it gets in my vein, these people that complainant, sit there on the couch complaining. But so you begin to become, so let me explain this. This is how I explained it. When you become a police officer,

all right, the day you become a police officer, you swear in, you take the oath. That's what you do. You raise your hand. you let right here you take the oath and you become a cop from that day forward the job quote unquote the job the department is finding ways to injure you in your position as a police officer okay how so constantly so i'll give you an example in the police academy they give you two star cards what's a

star card i don't know what a star card is but it's something that you have to carry in your in your pocket of your of your uniform and if you do something that's that you're that's It's an infraction. They take the start card out and write it on your card. And they put the card back in your pocket and you walk on with the day. And at some point, if you get too many write-ups on that star card, you get the motion or whatever they can do. They suspend you. They could even terminate you.

So the minute you get the job, they're looking to take it from you. Right. Like, if you're a mechanic working in fucking jiffy loob, you think they're looking to take your job the minute you walk in, or maybe they're looking to promote you. Right. Like, wow, you're doing a good job today. You know what? You could have turned that oil plug a little quicker. You know, I'm going to take a demer.

No, what a great job. And the guy gave you a tip on the way out the door. He put a $5 or $10 bill in you. You clean this thing. You wipe down the oil nice and clean. You get him his car back. Right. When you become a police officer, civil servant, you don't.

They're looking to take your job. So that's the mentality that gets embedded in you. So when you hit the street and you're out there for six months, a year, two years, and everything you do, first of all, the closest place you'll ever be in the world to being arrested is not a civilian. It's a cop. Because everything you do can be interpreted wrong and end with you getting arrested. Like everything you do.

So it's a constant battle from all sides against you. It's no longer you and your department. It's you against your department. It's you against the civilians. Basically, you're on your own. And there's no real support. So you begin to look for opportunities after a while to enrich yourself or make yourself feel good. And money feels good.

I mean, in the 75 documentary, the girl, Dory, Kenny, wife, Dory, money feels good. Yeah. Right. So. Money's and drugs.

Whatever you can. Alcohol. Whatever. Yeah. Alcohol, you know. Livers. Oh, you say food?

Yeah, food. Whatever you can get, enriches you, makes you feel good. You will seek it. Maybe it's women, you know. Drugs,

alcohol, money. Things like getting away with shit. Like, like one of the, the things we used to do is while at work, we'd go shop for, like, doors for your home, windows for your home, paint. If you're going to paint your home, because in the, in the neighborhood

I worked in, it had all these commercial factories. They had windows, doors, shingles, cement factories. Everything was in the, in the precinct confines, and you walk in with your uniform, they ain't going going to tell you anything except what do you need and what can we do for you. You know, I mean, they wouldn't just throw it at you and give it to you. If the window was a $400 window, you'd pay $200 for it maybe. So that's how you learn to use your position now. The one that they're trying to take from you every fucking day,

you turned it into money. So call it money, right? Because if food's free or a half price, the windows are half price, you know, clothes, I mean, there's clothing factories. I come out with Christmas gifts. I'll tell a funny story. I don't know if I tell this very often, but it's a very funny story.

So I'm a young cop. I'm working with one of my partners is named Jerry. Jerry is a Brooklyn guy. I'm a Long Island guy born in Brooklyn. In fact, he grew up one block from my father's home. My father's, so he lived on 45th Street. My father lived on 46th Street. So basically, we're almost family.

And if you think about it, like our parents, my parents and his parents, were backyard neighbors. Like that's how close we were to this individual. So when you end up working with a guy like that, it doesn't take long to become family. And he was pretty,

he knew his way around pretty good because he was a Brooklyn guy. I'm a Long Island guy. He knows how the city works. I don't know how Long Island works, but the mesh between us was pretty good mix. And I'm a willing partner.

And we would go to all these different places for windows, doors, and whatnot. He happened to live in Mastic Beach. If you're familiar with Long Island, he lived in Mastic Beach. He had a bungalow house. And he redid his whole house, like turned it into a real house

from all the stuff we were able to get half-price discounted at work. So it was a full-time job, basically. But we... So I'll tell you, so we get a call for an aided case. An aided case, someone's sick. Whatever.

They call an ambulance. The cops got to show up anyway just to make sure everything's okay. So we go, yeah, okay, We're on a way responding to it. In the meantime, we stop at the factory. The factory is loaded with, and back then it was called a sweatshop, right? It was a sweatshop.

A bunch of poor people working for poor wages. Usually Latinas, usually women, poor wages, up in this factory. And at one end, there's a fan. I could picture it right now. It's a typical sweat factory. There's a fan with an open window, and it's cold, but it's hot. up there. And there's a fan with an open window and like at one end and a fan at the other end and blowing the fucking hot air. That's your AC. That's their AC. Right. Keeping the place cool. And they're

up there. So on away, someone away. And there's a Jewish guy running the clothing factory. And whatever you want. And so we went in there and I picked out a dozen, take whatever you want, a dozen shirts. Back then it was the Valor or the Crush Valor. And there was another fabric that was similar to the law, but it wasn't quite the law. Anyway, I picked out like a dozen fucking shirts and for my girlfriend at the time. Was I married? I don't remember. Not yet. I wasn't married yet, but soon to be. So I got free, so here I am, we loading the car up. We're taking the stuff out of the factory building down the stairs. Now, people out there that are going to know what this means. So it's, it's just around Christmas time. It's between Thanksgiving and Christmas.

And in the New York City Police Department, there's a high level of integrity checks during the season because cops get gifts during Christmas season. Then you're not allowed. Right. So we just had, we just had the reminder at roll call. Don't be taking any gifts. Don't accept any gifts. And two hours later, you're low. Two hours later.

It's the fall. So it's dark. It's like 539. It's dark. and we're walking out of this factory with our arms full. The kid can't even open the door to the call. We've got to put the clothes on the car to open the door. And who's sitting out there but the sergeant who just gave us this briefing at the roll call.

And aren't you supposed to be on your way to another call? And by way you're a job. Right. So he's looking at us. I'm looking at him. And Jerry's going to turn around and walk back inside. I said, don't you fucking turn around. Don't do that?

That makes us wrong. Right. We got to be right. So he goes, we got. I got this. He opens the car. I put the stuff in the car. And the sergeant's like this, looking at us, you're going to, like, we're going through with this.

It's like, you're not going to turn around and put the shit away. I go, so he saw this and says, what's going on? I go, what do you mean? He goes, I just had an integrity. We just had an integrity conversation at the roll call. I go, and? he goes You're putting

You're putting clothing in your car I go I bought it I bought it on my way into work today The factory's closing At 6 o'clock It's 5.30

What am I going to do? I try to get the stuff from him Otherwise I'll You know He goes You bought it? I said yeah I said I don't have a receipt

I paid cash You want me to go get them No no no no No no no You bought it I go of course I bought it He goes okay Okay

Just do your favor Stay out of these places I said, I mean, but I shop for Christmas for my wife and kids, right? Close the door. Jerry's like, holy fuck, I can't believe you. I said, what are you going to do? When you're in the middle of it, you got to keep swimming. So it gets better.

We leave there. Now we got the clothes in the car. Now, we know the driver is Joey Wendell and the sergeant is Sergeant Gajersack. Everybody knows these guys. Sergeant Gajasak. Nice guy. Not a Brooklyn guy at all. He's like a Queens and should stay in Queens guy.

And he's like, oh, my God, these guys are animals. Okay. So now we get in the car. We drive from there to the church. Okay, the church. What church? It's one of those churches where it's, I would say it's like a Baptist church. Right.

Okay. So it's really more like a fort. But it wasn't real active church at one time. So they still hold mass there on weekends, but it's more like a fort for the, for the pastor. And the pastor's name is Reverend Pope. Okay, you can't even make this up. The Reverend's name is Pope. So Pope is good with us.

He's the local pimp and drug dealer, okay? But yeah, but he's good with us because he's got a legitimate cover. He's the Reverend in the neighborhood. All right. So we go to the church. We go to church. Right. We walk in the church.

And the church is in charge of giving out at that time the government cheese, butter, syrup, flour. Right? It's like four or five things that the government was giving to these NGOs, I guess you would call them, right? Non-government organizations. Right. And they would hand out to the local people. Is he really handing him out, though? He's selling it?

So his basement's full. Right. Like boxes to the ceiling. People are starting the street. But he's like, so I walk in, me and Jerry, and he gives us two boxes of supplies. Right. One for me and one for Jerry.

Now this is just, just as a half an hour later, maybe less from the close incident. We're walking down the church steps to the patrol car, but we pop open the trunk, and we're about to load the trunk with these two boxes of cheese, butter, because Jerry's wife, is a baker. So in the Christmas season, you need

butter and flour. Lots of it. So we're loading the car and here goes The sergeant. The sergeant goes driving. And there's no mistake in the sergeant's car because it's brand new

and it's clean. And we know the number. So it's the sergeant's car coming down the road. And Joey Wendell's driving. Right? So I look at Jerry. Jerry looks at him. I go, just keep loading the fucking car. What are you going to run up the stairs with a box of cheese on your hands?

Fucking just load the car. So we're loading the car. We closed the trunk and they keep going. So I don't know if they saw you or not? They had to see us. Okay. Because they went right past us. So that day about 8 o'clock at night, I see Joey in the station house.

What happened when he goes? He just told me, hit the gas and keep going. He said, I don't want to fucking stop. I don't want it on nothing. So that's how it was. Okay, this is how it was. And so you, as a police officer, back in those days, we're always looking to try to get a little something for yourself.

And that's how it starts. So it starts with cheese, some clothes, and then all of a sudden it's a bag of money. And, you know, or a bag of dope. And, you know, what are you going to do with the dope? You don't, I didn't use drugs at the time at all. You know, never. You know, I smoked a couple of joints as a kid, you know?

So, you know, basically, If you got drugs, you either have to sell it or give it away, you know, so I ain't going to give it away. It's worth a lot of money. So it ended up, it was just, it fed itself, right? You were pissed off at the job because they're always trying to take it from you. And then when you have a chance to enrich yourself, you end up eventually, in many cases you do it. Whether like you said, food, clothing, women, booze, drugs, cash. So the opportunities are there.

And it's just waiting for you to be pushed into it. So that's how it began. I was going to say it's Colman, right? The prison. Yeah. When COVID came in, it's funny because, you know, I have buddies that are there that I talked to. And they were like after COVID, they were like, brook. Rosen lasagna, medium power, 15 minutes.

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They said, so here's what happened. COVID came in and so many guys were getting, guards are getting sick. Right. Because, of course, they bring it into inmates. The inmates are spreading it everywhere. They're jammed up together. Yep, yes. And so the guards are getting sick, too.

So they're, so literally, this guard dies. This guard dies. So if you've been working 20 years and you can retire, these guys immediately start taking retirement or quitting. And these are guys that are making, they've been there 20 years. They're making 80,000 a year. Right, yeah. So they literally they, so he said, like, I'm telling you, he said seven or 70% of the guards

just within a month and a half, two months, quit it, quit and retired. They then had to hire new guards. Young ones. Young ones. Are being hired at like 35. Yeah, 35. It's actually like 34th and change. So they hire them.

It's like 200 a day maybe, not even. So they hire these guys. So they're not making enough money. Right. They also don't know all the things that inmates do. Right. They have no clue. They are not seasoned and savvy enough to know that this guy's doing this.

How things operate? They don't know a prison. They're probably hiding it up here. They don't know any of that. They have no idea. Wow. At one point. Wow.

That's a fucking free for all. At one point, my buddy said, listen, let me put it this way. He said, the guy on the, on the, the guy in the prison right now that, in the low, he said with the most seniority has been here two years. And he's the, he's the old Jack. Yeah, yeah. And so he was like, these guys haven't got a fucking clue. He's a man. The cops are bringing.

So now the cops, I'm making $35,000 a year. Yeah, so they're bringing shit in. They're bringing in. Cell phones, drugs, weapons, like every. And I mean in droves, because what are they going to do? I'm going to do. I'm going to lose a job. making $35,000 a year.

Fuck. I don't go, fuck. Exactly. A job where I'm in here and guards are getting sick. People are getting COVID. Like, I don't even really want this fucking job to begin with. Begin with, right. So I can see that.

And of course, it, even to this day, COVID's gone. Of course, everything's okay now. But the guys that I talk to now will tell you like, bro, it's like a state fucking facility. Wow. It's, it's, you know, there's fights every day. There's the guard, there's, the last time, when one buddy who left, he said, the last time they did a sweep, there was 200 cell phones found. 200?

1,800 guys, they found 200. So they missed another 200. Yeah, there's another two. You know, there's another 200. Yeah, at least another 200 that's missing. I remember they had done a sweep one time with us when I was there, and they found like four cell phones. Like four. That's big.

And that was a big deal. That's big. How the hell did four cell phones get in here? Yeah. That would have been a huge success. Yes. 200 cell phones. So I can, you know what I'm saying?

So I can understand because it's not like it's unique to police officers. These are CEOs, but, you know, you've got, you're being offered. Money and opportunity. Right. And need. Like you said, you couldn't do that with a guy making $85 grand a year living in Coleman. Right. Those guys go fuck yourself.

Yeah. I'm close to retirement. I'm ready to go. Yeah. I'm successful. I made it. I made it through the weeds in the young age. Yeah.

So that's what happens in the police department too. I mean, the problem that I, I ran into, for me personally, was addictive personality, right? So once you start earning that kind of extra money, you don't want to give it up. Yeah. And that's because you begin to live that life, right? So one home, second home, a third home, a condo on the ocean, a fourth home, land, you know, beautiful cause, an extra girlfriend, you know, two girlfriends. You know, it just continues to mount.

and you become, basically you become your own worst enemy because you can't unravel from that lifestyle. I mean, I remember not wanting to leave my house with less than $1,000 in my pocket. Like I was afraid to leave my house with less than a thousand in cash in my pocket. Like there was, like you have your little idiosyncrasies. That was my, I couldn't leave my house with,

if I had $1,000 in my pocket in cash, I was uncomfortable leaving the house. Now, why? I left the house today with, not, a dime. Hopefully I'll come home with some, but hopefully I'll come home with a few dollars, but I left the house with not a dollar in cash on me today. Of course, things are different electronically today, but I wouldn't leave my house without a thousand

dollars in my pocket. And that's, that was stuck in my head. So when they locked me up, what did I have? I had like $11 a dollar in my pocket when they locked me up in the precinct, which is we're getting forward in the story. But yeah, so that's what happened. And then eventually, for me, I ended up in, I ended up in situations where I was more and more risky, and I knew it was getting too risky for me. So, for example, I'd be shaking people down the street, okay?

And after a while, they started arguing with you. Like, the dope deal was on the corner, and started arguing with you. Oh, you can't take my dope? I can't take you dope. Of course I can. No, the last guy took it. What?

Like, to someone else, how do you do with this? That's what I knew. It wasn't me. I was in a lone ranger. You're like, well, it's not just me hitting you up. He goes, no, I had the guy in the last shift took my fucking dope. He goes, I go, well, it's Christmas. He goes, it's Christmas for me too.

He starts arguing with me in the street to this guy. What a piss. I said, well, you know, I took half his money and half is dope. So he goes, I can't, you got to lock me up, he tells me. He'd rather be locked up. He says, you got to lock me up. Yeah. I go, what do you mean, I got to lock you up?

He goes, I can't go back without the money and the drugs again. Yeah, somebody fronted it to him. Yeah. It's getting hurt. It's getting. It's getting bad. He says, this isn't the first time. And they told me, don't come back without,

don't come back without the money or the drugs or both. So now I'm like, it's like a check-in move, right? Yeah, yeah. Check into the shoe, you got to take me to the shoe. You got to take me in? Yeah. So I'm like, what if I do to this guy?

I don't want to, I don't want to get beat up on me on my accord. I mean, you know, I'm still human. And I don't want, but he made a compelling argument. So I said, all right, right, we're working out. So I, you know, I hear some money back. Here's some dope back. And I'll tell you, Sonia, I don't tell us. I maybe told us two or three times, so you're getting a little exclusive here.

I get pulled over by an integrity check. After I gave that guy, I took his dope, but I can't remember. I took something from him. But I think I gave him his dope back. Maybe took 50 bucks from him. Right. Because he had like, 200. He's begging me.

Come on, it's Christmas. Like, oh, that's Christmas for me, too. So I'll argue him. So I think I took like 50 bucks from him or something like that. But I gave him his dope back. Because when I'm going to do with him? I don't even know what to do with him. Right?

probably a lot of people out there today wish they had that. What were they called Montaga, whatever the fuck they call it. But it was red. It was the red one. It was the red, the red dope bag. It was good stuff.

I don't know anything about dope. So I came the dope back. And I get in the car with my partner, Jerry at the time. And I call about a block. The fucking, unmarked car pulls us over. It turns out the duty captain,

who was the, So they call it in the PD, they call it the shoe fly. Okay. The shoe fly is the duty captain that checks on all patrol. He's borough wide. He can be anywhere, anytime, any place. He happened to be right behind me. So he didn't see this transaction, did he?

He didn't see the transaction, but he pulled up as I was leaving the transaction and then pulled him behind me a block later. He pulls me up. I'm like, who the fuck is this? I'm thinking it's anti-crime, you know, the undercover guys. I want to talk to me. Hey, what's going on? on, it's the fucking duty captain.

He goes, what happened just now? I go, what do you mean what happened? I go, I let the guy go. He goes, what'd you do? I said, checked him out. He had nothing on him. I don't know. I don't know if this guy was planned. I don't even know.

Right. So at that moment, my fucking asshole, fucking puckered on my asshole puckered. My asshole puckered. And I said, you know what? This is getting a little too hot. And I think at the time, I could be off by a little bit. The 7-7 precinct had. just broke where they locked up 13 cops and they kept saying the seven five is next right okay so the

word was out that we were doing the same thing that all brooklyn was doing this everybody in brooklyn was i shouldn't say every cop but every precinct had their own group of guys that were doing the same fucking things so within i want to say within well actually five months later they sent me to coney Island. Like, I was this, and maybe how you said, the guy with two years

in the prison, he became the senior man in the fucking prison. Well, I had three and a half years on the job and I was one of the senior men on patrol in East New York

with three and a half years experience. I mean, don't get me wrong. You learn. You learn quick. You know, within a year, you're a seasoned veteran in the ghetto.

Straight up, you are. Like, if you were a year in the ghetto, it's 10 years, not in the ghetto. I mean, that's how much experience you have. So you have that kind of respect and knowledge. So three and a half years, my partner and I were the two senior men on patrol.

Like we would actually get the desk duty when the sergeant was out. Or if there was no sergeant in for the day, they'd have a sergeant turn us out, the sergeant would go home and we'd be in charge of the precinct for the day. Like two young guys. I was 25 years old. So that's how raised up in statute you become with that kind of experience. Now, I'm looking at this going, they're on us. What am I going to do?

Because this is not a joke. When they're on you, I mean, I don't know if you smelt them for a while when they came after you, but I was watching them come for me for years. So when they were on me, I'm like, this isn't good. I changed my operation. There was a couple of things that happened that I knew they were trying to get a specific. That was the first one. Three more times after that, they came for us. And then we passed the test.

but we were aware that, you know, so we were heightened sensitivity that they were coming for us. So now the 7-7 goes down, they transferred my partner and I to Coney Island. And in Coney Island, a guy walks up to me, and I'm walking to beat in Cooney Island in front of Nathan's hot dog stand. Anybody, you know, Nathan's hot dogs, the bumper cars, the first place to have a bumper car ride was on Coney Island.

So I'm walking in front of, actually, right in front of the bumper car place. And no, I just, I was in front of Nathan's. And a guy walks up to me, a Spanish guy, handsome-looking dude, a little bit of a beard. I'm trying to remember his face right now. A little bit of a light beard. And he goes, Batman and Robin. To me and my partner, my partner's 6'3.

I'm 6'1. So put the shoes on, I'm 6.2. A half, he's 6'5, right? Batman and Robin, what are you guys doing here? What do you mean? What are we doing here? Who are you? Who's Batman and Robin?

He goes, that's what we call you. So the guys in the neighborhood had a name for us, Batman and Robin. Yeah, in the old neighborhood. Now this is a guy from the old neighborhood. Yeah, but I didn't know that. I didn't know we had a name. Okay. So he's calling us Batman and Robin.

So I go, what's up with Batman and Robin? He goes, well, you don't belong here. He's telling us, you belong to East New York to 7.5. I said, oh, because what you do when you leave a command is you put your numbers on your belt. Oh, you can see the numbers on my belt? He goes, no. I don't even see them on your belt. He goes, he pulled me over upon, um, I forget that it was Eldards, Eldards and, uh, Fulton, right before Fulton between Atlantic and Fulton. I looked at him, I go, Burgundy, 280 ZX. Right. He goes, yep. I go, I tossed you, you had nothing on you, the car. He goes, you missed it.

fucking guy's telling me. He says he was 10 kilos in the car. You missed it. I want to kill him. Right. I knew he was. I knew he had it, but he didn't know where. He said it was in the wheel well.

He said, you were on it. You were checking. He said, but you should have pulled the wheel well cover roof. It was in there. He's telling me where his fucking dope was. Is that right? It's cocaine. I said,

he goes, when you get back, I want to work with you. Because he knew, you knew you were. They used to call 911 on us. they would call 911 on themselves and give themselves as a description to see who was working that day and they knew if Batman and Robin were working they were safe

not that they wouldn't get robbed but they were safe to do their work right I mean this is this is I mean the guy was giving me the inside dope on how they approached it and the respect that they had for us in some way or disrespect whatever it was for us so yeah they were actually

checking to see who was working. And if it was us, they were like, okay, we just can't have too much on us because they'll take everything. But they knew they weren't going to get arrested. Yeah, they knew that there was in a sting that they could sell, they could sell on the street or do whatever they had to do because these guys aren't going to come and arrest us for that.

For that, correct. Right, right. But they may check us down and take the money. Yeah, so don't have too much. Right. Like keep it moving rather than holding it, you know? Right. So yeah, so that was, and so that was like that, oh, that set a light bulb off in my fucking head.

I'm like, wait a minute. These motherfuckers are looking to work with it. I don't have to rob them. They're looking to work with us. So that was a different approach then. And I was under so much scrutiny at the time that I really didn't do anything wrong for about a year, year and a half.

And then I just got bored. I got bored and I needed the money. I got, I fell back into the nine to, eight to four, whatever you want to call it, the regular shifts. With no extra money coming in, I was clean, I was sober. I went away to rehabs. I mean, I did it all.

I come back and now I'm broke again. and I'm living broke and I don't like living broke right sorry I like money like an idiot right

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like the big things in the trunk oh yeah like you used to I remember that in middle school yeah it was super cool yeah I haven't seen it yeah I don't do it anymore I don't think I mean it was $20,000 for one of those systems bro yeah I mean they had the big fucking

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So, yeah, but that's what, that was the business that he was in. And the only people that could afford those things were legitimate millionaires or drug dealers. Right. So all his clients were basically drug dealers. And I don't know anyone that was a millionaire that went there. Well, drug dealers, right. Millionaires. So we had access to some of the top drug dealers in the United States.

because Brooklyn was a hub for all of the retail activity. Most of the wholesale activity is not done in Brooklyn. Wholesailing is done out of Washington Heights and Elmhurst, Queens. A couple of reasons. The Dominicans had a very big stranglehold on the activity in Manhattan that ran from Manhattan. But they had ways, I'm not them, so I'm not going to speak out of turn from what I know. the Dominicans were basically, they had a nexus through Dominica from South America. And then because Dominicans so frequently came to America, back then you could load it on a plane with you.

They didn't, they would check for this. No one checked. It was very, I mean, they would come with boxes of kilos of a plane. I mean, that's how prevalent it was. And then you had Eastern Airlines was flying it in. And, I mean, you can go down a list of the Avianca, Eastern Airlines, and, you know, and many of these, these airlines were shipping it in. Like, that's what they were doing.

Yeah, like the Grasol de Blanco, which is to stick it into fucking, like it wouldn't even a good, a good smuggling operation. Like they're taking like, they're shipping like a Chester drawers where they've gutted it and it's filled with fucking, and whatever,

and they just ship, where now that would never pass. Never would never. Oh, it's an antique. Oh, it's nice. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's ridiculous what they actually let go. But, I mean,

and then you had the guys like Mickey Monday, right? They just fly planes. They just fly planes into the Everglades. Just drop it and go. You know, I mean, it was just so prevalent. So that business, that's why the nexus between Washington Heights was Dominican. And then Queens was the Colombian connections because they will, you had two airports. JFK's at one end and LaGuardia at the other end.

So they'd be flying planes at both airports. And in the middle was Elmhurst, Jackson Heights, Queens. Well, it's not so, it's not that easy. to figure out who the wholesalers are anyway. They're doing it and, you know, they're doing it off the street. Right. It's not like you, you know what I'm saying? You're that several layers removed from the guy that's saying.

Just here. Yeah. Here's your ounce, your kilo, your half a kilo, yeah. And you're not trying to go in to a drug buy and end up with fucking a hundred keys. I'll take it all. I was going to say, well, how do you get away with that? Well, that's, how do you get rid of that? Now I'm in a, I'm in a bad position.

Yeah. No, I don't have a problem getting rid of that. Okay. Yeah, we'll get rid of it. I would want it in near me. I'd be like, I want the deniability like you have. You didn't have anything. Yeah, yeah.

I'm not going to take the drug. No, no, no. The cash doesn't know where it came from. Correct. Like, what did I got my bank two months, two days ago? What are you talking about? Yeah. My mother gave it to me.

Oh, your mother gave you $75,000 to you? Oh, I want that mother. I mean, where's that? So, yeah. So, but that's the nexus between all of us. And then the street level is where people, commerce takes place, right? You know, you can get 100 kilos, but you have to

sell them. Yeah. So they have to be broken down into small cans of soda rather than a vat of fucking soda, right? The vat fills the can. So that's where all the commerce takes place. And Brooklyn was a hub of commerce for it. Because basically because you had ghetto kids, street kids, willing to risk their freedom

to make $1,000 an hour. And what kid in the ghetto wouldn't risk their freedom for $1,000 bucks an hour. And if they do get locked up, they're just going to see their cousin or their friend or their neighbor in the joint.

I mean, it's just, it was a perfect way to earn a living and made sense. I mean, there's nothing racist about it. It is what it is. It was a perfect way to make sense and make money. And if you went to the white neighborhoods,

their daddies and mommies and weren't going to stand for that because they had money, right? You talked about that when you first owners come. You have money. You don't risk your freedom. The opportunity. may be there, but you can't stand out in front of a white neighborhood and sell fucking drugs

all day long, because someone's calling the police, and the police are going to take action. Now, if you call the police in the ghetto, they're coming. They're going to take action. But when you're gone, there's six more guys taking your place. It was just, it's just the numbers game. And that's why the job, the police department told us to stop making arrests. Stop arresting people for selling drugs. Now, there's no public policy. on that written. Right. There's no written policy.

Don't do that. But it was policy in verbal. So they wanted, what, just a police present? So it looked like we're here, like we're trying to do it. So people feel safe rather than are safe. Or the drugs are not the problem. The people are. Right.

So let them have their drugs and hope they don't kill each other. Yeah. And really, it's like the broken window theory. If you don't fix the broken window, you know, the next thing they burn the house down, or they take the plumbing out of the house, right? And then it continues on. They take the cabinets out. Now it's a fucking dilapidated piece of shit.

It's the same theory, but it was so expensive to lock up somebody and process them. For the cops, we're making, if I made an arrest, I'd make $300 in overtime. And one day, I've only making $300 a week. Right. But one arrest is $18. hours of overtime. One rest, 18 hours overtime, minimum. You can live on that if you want to.

But then they're yet upset with you because now you're milking the system. And so one thing fed the other and it was a perfect storm. It was the 80s. And then Dinkins came in and it was time to get mine. You know, I mean, that was the attitude. Just get what you can. You know, the doors were kicked open when the Dinkins came in. Sort of like when Eric Adams just started, you know, they started with that shit when he came in.

So I'm just telling truth. Right. I mean, they robbing the city blind right now. Adams is into it for a billion dollars, maybe more. And he doesn't take the cash. It goes to people that he knows. Right. Like the Bidens and all those people.

He just wrote a check for a billion dollars, Biden, to Zelenskyy for a lot. He's losing the war. It's over. That war's over. You know that, right? Pretty much over. It's a can of corn right now. Russia's taken over.

Okay. The sum of Russia will be, this, Russia will have what they asked for. It's over. And they're still pumping money into it for a while. Just lay it down. They're all leaving. They're leaving the battlefield.

It's over. In other words, there comes a point when it's over. Right. Things are over. It's done. So now you're just trying to, now you're just trying to see, what can I get away?

When I leave, what can I leave with? Correct. And that's what happens when you're in the police world. You know, I can't win this war. It's a fucking war out here. I'm just coming in, get mine, and going. And that's the same mentality to happen in the police department back then. And I'm equating the two because it's very similar.

There were people lost, lives were lost. Every war has a cost. And that was the war on drugs, quote unquote, was lost. You know, what are you got today? Marijuana is. We're talking about 35, the 80s, right, into 90s. So we're talking 35 years ago. What a mistake that, that whole.

The whole thing. Yeah. The whole thing. The whole thing. The whole fucking thing. Every single stretch, every muscle of it is ridiculous. Now, there should be systems in place for guys that have problems. Well, families that get hurt by abuse and drugs and alcohol and so on.

Sure. We can have those things. We can have that conversation. But you can't have a war on it and fucking lock up the whole country because that's what they ended up doing. I mean, two million people, three million people in jail. I mean, now, of course, the marijuana laws have gone. I was in prison and you probably were two. Guys had 30, 40 years from marijuana.

Yeah. And today, today they're packaging it up and selling it to you. Yeah, I know multiple guys that had 10 years, 10, 12, well, I mean, I knew multiple guys that had 30-year sentences. But, I mean, I met guys that had never been arrested that off the rip were getting 10 years mandatory minimum of the Fed. Someone were getting 12 years. Yeah. Yeah. Enhanced.

They'll get enhanced up, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It would just keep going and going, and you're like, this is for marijuana. Yeah. You got 20 years for marijuana. I was in Tallahatahas. I was in Mariana, federal prison in Mariana, Florida, which is why I love Florida. They treated me well, overall.

Overall, they were nice to me, you know. And there was a guy in there who got 35 years. His father got 20 and his mother got 12th. And I'm talking about the guy, when I met the guy, he was in at that time, maybe eight or 10 years. And he was at that time, old guy, he was 50-something. So that means his mother's 70 and his father's 70-ish, okay? For marijuana.

They're dying in prison. I mean, it's just anyway. So, yeah, we can get into that topic. I think it's disgusting. It's a shame that this country did that to people. But, you know, it was the law. I mean, what are you going to do? So what, so with the drug dealers that you're now meeting these guys,

guys, are you now, like, taking, instead of just saying, hey, shaking them down and taking them 200 bucks, are you saying, hey, give me a grand a week and nobody will bother you? Right. So, yeah, essentially, essentially that's it, but it was, it was 8,000 a week. Yeah, I'm not selling myself. Okay. Not selling. 30 years ago. Yes.

This is 34 years ago. 8,000 a week is like, that's like asking for 30 grand a week. Well, yeah. So, what I said to my partner. I said, we'll be making more than the president of the United States, okay? Right. That's my goal. Why not?

You got to have a goal. It was a lofty goal. And they were willing to pay it. So it worked out. How long does that go on? It didn't go on a long time. People were misinformed. Yeah, yeah.

They think it went off for years or so. No, no. That lasted, the payments lasted for about four months, steady. And then there was a robbery that took place against my guy. I mean, the stories are so convoluted. but so I'll give you this one so my guy gets robbed he gets robbed by a team of rob is called coke and franklin rob my guy Adam Diaz and uh Adam's not there somebody else is there one of his managers is running the place Elvis Elvis the singer go figure Elvis the singer

he starts singing anyway so I rescued the whole job I'm actually I'm at Barron's shop, where they put the big systems in, and I hear the robbery call come, because the police radio hits an alarm. D, D, D, D, D, D, D. So it heightens your alert, right? Armed robbery, dot, dot, location, Vanciclin, and Atlantic. I'm like, that's my fucking store. Right.

That's my guy's store. I just put him in there three weeks earlier. I just set him up there because I like the location. because there's only one way in and one way out. So you know all the traffic. You can control the traffic. You can see the traffic. You can't monitor that place properly

because you have eyes on all the action. In the middle of a block, you don't know. The action could be coming from a minute. But this was on a corner and a corner stop. So you can see the activity at the corner. Who's coming and who's going. It's hard to stake out a place on the corner because we can turn around and say,

oh, that car's been there all day. Well, those two guys have been in there. But if you're in the middle of a block, you can't tell who's coming and going. Anyway, so, long story short, the call comes over for robbery. We show up, and we go, we go to the store,

and they point to next store. So on the next of the store, there's a staircase going up to the apartment above the store. So I go running up the stairs. I walk in, the cops are there already. Fucking cops are there. Damn it. The police are there.

and they got a bag of money and drugs in their hands. I mean, a bag. I'm talking a duffel bag. Money and drugs in the fucking bag. So I go, do you have a warrant? Do you guys have a warrant? They go, no. You can't just come and go in someone's apartment

and take their money and their drugs. You can't just do that. They're young kids. They're rookies. You can't just take them. You shit? I could put that back. So the fucking cops put the money and the drugs back.

Perfect. I closed the door. Because it's in someone's apartment, this fucking drug, but it's their apartment from downstairs. Right. They run it. That's their shot. What they had was they had a shoot from upstairs to downstairs,

where they would drop the fucking drugs through the ceiling. Right. So how did the cops? get upstairs anyway. Did they? Because they, they, the bandits, the armed robbers, took them from the store and at gunpoint and walked them up the stairs. To rob them.

Okay. So for some reason or another, they didn't get everything. They probably got, I think, I think the number was they got $700,000 worth of shit. And they were probably thrilled and wanted to get out there. and ran. Correct. They didn't know there was more. So when I roll up on the scene, I don't know what's there. They don't give me an inventory. All I know is these cops got this duffel bag was open and cash in it. So I kept them to put it back. I'm like pretty good, dude. You got to put it back. You know, I saved my guy. I'm working for this guy. Right. I'm going to protect him.

Right. I'm pissed he got robbed on my watch. Right. But at least we kept his It's the family and friends event at Shoppers Drug Mart. Get 20% off almost all regular priced merchandise. Two days only. Tuesday, April 28th and Wednesday, April 29th. Open your PC optimum app to get your coupon. So what happens is, So I just see everybody's there.

I go, listen, it's all taken care of. It's a false call. There was no robbery here. Okay. They all leave. They get in their car to leave. Outcomes an 11-year-old kid. the fucking shotgun in his head and goes, officer, I found this in the hallway to the sergeant.

The sergeant's like, oh my God, grabs the gun. All right, thanks, kid. Back in! And they tossed the whole building. Where's your fucking guy during this whole fucking time? He's in the Dominican Republic or some shit. He's not around. The managers are running the place.

They don't want to go back up there because the police were just there. They don't want to be seen going back up. So they make believe they know nothing. Right? Wait a minute. That's not correct. Elvis goes back upstairs when the kid comes out with the shotgun. He doesn't know the kid's carrying a shotgun and giving him to the police. He runs upstairs to rob the load himself. Okay.

You get it? He went up there to rob the load himself. He's going to tell us, boss, they took everything. He gets the fucking bag of shit in his hand. The cops walk in he's got to shit in his hands. Now he gets arrested. For Keel. I think he had $58,000. in cash and five kilos.

That's that's that's not a small arrest. That's a big hit. Yeah, you're going to a while. So they, so yeah, so that begins the domino. That begins the domino effect. I get the phone call about a week later from a friend of mine. Because Mike, they're asking a lot of questions about you. Well, I'm sure those those rookie detectives were probably talked to from from what.

You mean the guys that turned. over the load initially? Yeah. I'm sure they had to be talked to by internal affairs. Anybody that was on the scene was questioned. Yeah. Internal affairs never spoke to me once. No, then you're the target.

I was the target. They never spoke to me once. And you said they were already on to you anyway kind of. Yes, they were. But that's why I said this to you. I no longer did the street pedal bullshit. Yeah. Now I'm protecting organizations that,

are going to pay me handsomely for my information and my abilities to protect them. So here, I just protected them. Yeah. Not only did I do it there, I did it one other time. And if you watch the documentary, you'll see in there, T.S. says he was worth his weight in gold. Yeah. Because they came dogs, helicopters, light trucks to his other store, and they didn't get a gram of fucking salt out of the store because I had him shut down an hour before they were on their way in to get him. and there was a plant inside the store

that was working against Diaz because he had 475 customers. Right. You know how many fucking customers that is to sell cocaine? Yeah. And they're not buying fucking grams. They're buying fucking half a key and up. Right.

Like he might sell an ounce now and then, but you'd have to be a really good customer to you get an ounce from the guy. At that one store, he had 400 and something customers, clients. And they would come in there with shoe boxes. Right. Nike boxes filled with cash, and they'd leave with the Nike box filled with Coke.

That's how they operated. And the one thing, how can you know that the kid's going to walk out with the fucking shotgun? Like, you did everything. I did everything I could. I did everything I could. And then that started, I was already under the microscope. That brought the DEA in now. See, I was under Internal Affairs investigation.

Now the DEA eventually gets involved because of that. In fact, I go one step further. to how deep it gets. My uncle works in the city in New York. You go through the police system. Then the police take you to their holding cell in Schimmerhorn Street. And then from Schimmerhorn Street, the corrections department takes you into corrections. So there's a transfer spot there where you go from police custody to corrections custody. When you go into corrections custody, the way out of corrections custody is through the police. Through the police holding area.

Who's coming through there? But one of my guys that I was protecting. And he kept coming through. And he kept coming through. And my uncle didn't know who, who didn't know anything about me. He goes, this guy, Eddie, keeps bringing up your name.

He keeps going to speak to investigators and your name keeps coming up. I said that motherfucker. That was back in 1980, 87 or 88. I don't get arrested until 92. Okay. So that's how long they're into me. Right.

And they already were, but internal affairs was, not the DEA. Right. He was going to speak with the DEA. The district attorneys and everybody in their little think tank, whatever they do, you know. And so that's how far back that was. And then they don't get me until 92 because they wanted it to die out. They wanted it to go away. Right.

Of course, it did go away for a minute. I calmed. I turned away from it. I told you in the beginning of this conversation. I dried up. I cleaned up. I did the right thing. And then I just couldn't live on the money anymore.

And like, you know, that's, again, the opportunity. I had the opportunity. I had the need because of the money. And I created the need because I ended up with four homes and a condo on the ocean in Myrtle Beach. And, you know, so it was, I created a situation that was untenable for a guy on my salary. I was getting rental incomes, don't get me wrong, but I became so used to the extra money.

You know, when you don't have that extra thousand in your pocket, you feel naked, you know? You used to be able to buy everything that you want. Yeah, nothing stopped me, you know? I wasn't a big extravagant guy, but the vet didn't help when I parked it in the lieutenant spot. But I did that for a reason. People, oh, yes, that was a stupid move.

No, it wasn't. Think about it. I did it in 1987. I parked 88. parked in the lieutenant spot. So you drive at a Corvette and you parked in the lieutenant spot? Brand new. Right.

With the sticker in the window, stick. But I did it on purpose. Why? And it served its purpose at the time. Because I kept hearing they're coming for me. They're coming for me. They're coming for me.

And I'm like, well, get me, motherfuckers. I'm sick at this. You know what it's like when they're coming and you're not there? You live the life like you're getting caught every day. Because I'm waiting. I'm looking over my shoulder every day. I'm getting anxiety, you know, panic attacks, all kinds of. of shit. So I said, you know what, fuck you, come get me. I put it right in their face.

And that was in 1988. I get the car stolen a year later, so I don't have, so I don't have it anymore. And they still didn't get me. And they still didn't get me. And they still didn't get me. Because they wanted it to go away. Right. And who wants a scandal? Yeah. No one really wants a scandal. So I, the NYPD doesn't want to look bad, but the DEA didn't give a fuck about it. They want them to look bad. They, we're so, we're so, we're We're so... A pro-com reproach. Oh, exactly.

Yeah. We're so crisp and clean and... Holy than now. Holy than now that we'll bust the cops. Do you know that? They know that. You know that. You know that.

I can't tell you how many guys I've met in the joint. Tell you that they robbed them. Yeah. Well, you know what they do is they'll find the guy with like 12 grand. And because in the federal system, I don't know about the state system, but the federal system that if they find drugs and they find cash, they convert the cash to drug weight, to send it in. Correct.

So they'll go to them and they'll say, listen, we found you with a quarter of whatever, a brick or whatever. And they're like, that's a three-year mandatory minimum. We caught you with 12 grand. Now, if we turn in the 12 grand, that becomes a kilo. You're getting 10 years. But if we take 10 of it and we put in 2000, we say we found 2,000 and the quarter of you're going to stay

You're still going to stay with that three year manager You want to get the three And you want to get the three And we take the 10 Or do you want us to turn on the 10 And the guy's like, take the 10 Take the 10, take the 10

And they'll take the fucking 10 And they don't say shit Nothing. And then they come to prison They're like yeah I fucking took me for 10 grand You're like, did you say something? Fuck no, I didn't say nothing.

It was seven extra years He did me a favor He did me a favorite And what a good guy Right Exactly And that's not like I heard that from one guy I've heard that from a dozen different, and most of the time they were like Mexicans.

Yeah, yeah. You know, because they're dealing in significant amounts of drugs. And, you know, a lot of times they're illegal anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the point is, and you don't hear it from like, it's not a common thing. It's like, in this prison you hear it. Everywhere. Everywhere you go.

And the lockup, you hear it. And you meet these guys. I had guys, when I was arrested, I had guys come to me and tell me that here's what they did. and this was a DEA. This is, like, they have, they call them groups, group 33, group 36, whatever. I think it was group 33 or group 36, one of them. They locked up a bunch of cops, because they get no press. They get not, no one even knows that they're locked up.

They get locked up, they get out, two days later out on bail. I get nothing, right? I'm fuck. Guy says to me, this is how bad it is. He goes, we went to the guy on Northern Boulevard that provides the New York City Police apartment with their cars. So New York City Police Department buys about 2,000 cars a year. Facts, right?

So they all go through the one dealership. Nice. Nice gig, right? So he gets 2,000 cars through his dealership a year just from the city police department, which, let's say he gets 500 a car. That's about what they get, 500 a car. That's a million dollars from the PD. Yeah, once a year.

In his office, there's a picture of Mayor Koch. and the owner of the dealership. A Colombian national. American Colombian national. He's also running the biggest ring in America through the fucking dealership. Okay.

Okay. The DEA's on him and the FBI's on him for years. And now they're about to get him. And the guy goes and tells him, $5 million in my hands right now and you leave because they're coming to get you tomorrow.

They never got the guy. He's still in Columbia. Okay? That was in 1980, 1992, I was told that by a DEA agent. He was a joint task force. He wasn't DEA. He was a state police officer

that was in the city, federal joint task force. Told me that in prison in 1980, 1992. So, it's been going on a long way and $5 million goes a long way back then. That's about $18 million today, probably, maybe more.

30 years ago? I wonder about the body cams and stuff. How much is it, how much is that curving that type of? Yeah, I would say significantly. Yeah. Significant. The cameras are everywhere today.

It would, it probably wouldn't stop me, but it would. It doesn't stop. It doesn't stop a lot of these guys. A lot of these guys who will plant evidence. Like, remember the guy. I saw something like that.

He's got it in his hand and he's like, he's looking. And the body cams right there. And he drops it. But the problem is you can see it. Yeah. In his hand, you sort of his hand.

Yeah, oh yeah, you see the end. And then you're like, hey, I got something over here. Yeah, I saw that video. Oh, it's like, boy, you got fucking. Could you imagine? How stupid? What a fucking idiot. First of all, not only is that stupid, who would do that?

Right. Who does that? Yeah, why are you planting evidence on this guy? For what? You know what's funny is, um... I never did that. I want to be taken, excuse me, I never did this. I've never done that.

Right. I never would do that. I might have taken your shit, but I would never do that to anybody. Because for me, the one of the thing, one of the things that, and you'll know this, because you've been through the same sides I've been on. When you falsely accuse somebody, that's the worst fucking thing in the world. That's worse than getting caught, doing something wrong.

If you get caught, I had it coming. It's a risk you understand. You're going to get caught. Right. But to falsely accuse somebody of anything, especially a woman and falsely accusing a man of something, you ruin his reputation, you scar him and his family for life and for a while.

I mean, they're doing it everywhere. Now they're doing half of his Trump's new cabinet molesters now. I mean, just give me a fucking break. Where were they before he was They were important people. You're foolish. Anyway, you get what I'm getting at here.

That's just, and maybe there is some abusers out there. And don't get you, obviously, there are many abuses out there. But I just, oh, it gets me in a different vein because someone made some false allegations against me more than once. And in fact, they threatened to arrest the person, which was, I was very happy to hear. They were going to arrest the female. know, that made this allegation against me.

If they told either you withdraw the allegation, or we're going to arrest you, because we know it's not true. Right. And they don't like me. Right, yeah. And they don't like me. So they knew that she was full of shit, you know.

I'm just sweating a little bit. Get me a little hot here. Oh, this is not, can you see my nipples? We're that far into the podcast where you're good now. They're not clicking off. They've listened this one. Yeah, they've got this one. Yeah, I was, I was think about that guy that was, whatever I think of those accusations.

I was think about that kid. He had gotten a scholarship to play for whatever. Lacrosse? No, it was a university. It was a university, a black kid. And this girl accused him of raping her in high school. So he had gotten a scholarship. He'd signed.

He's ready to go. Right. It just, you know, it's a few months before they graduate, whatever. And she accuses him of raping her on the school grounds. Now, he denies it, of course. He gets arrested. He denies it. He actually goes to trial and he loses.

Of course, he loses a scholarship. He goes to jail for like 10 years. So he gets out, and he gets like 15 years or something, but he gets out after 10, you know, whatever is a state thing. So he gets out the girl. So now he's 28 years old, 39 years old. So the girl ends up contacting him on Facebook. Like he couldn't believe it. It was like a friend of a friend.

She contacts him. He couldn't believe it. And he's like, what do you want? She's like, well, I just wanted to see how you're doing. I heard you got out. And he's like, I'm doing fine. So they start talking. Oh, man.

He ends up, she ends up telling him that she admits that she did that because she had watched the news. And there was a girl who had accused a guy of raping her that they were classmates and sued the school. And it got thrown out because they said, had it happened, you could sue the school, but it had it had to have happened on school grounds. The fact is, you guys are outside school grounds. It has nothing to do with school. You just knew each other from school. Right. So she said, I knew that if I had to accuse you on saying it happened on school grounds, then I could say they should have provided security.

There should have been a camera. Right, right. She's like, so I knew that. And that's why I did it. And she's like, and we got like $2 million for it. And he's like, I went to jail for 10 years. He was smart enough to keep his composure. And now, by the way, she had seen him.

And she's like, plus, I'd always liked you. You were hot. You were good looking. So he sets up a camera, invites her over and has an on camera. He sparks up a conversation. She's like, what's wrong with you? And he's like, well, I'm, I'm still thinking about what you told me the other day. I mean, it's kind of fucked up.

She's like, what do you want me to say? So she goes over again. He sparks the conversation. Of course, now he's got the video. He goes. he goes they go back to court they get it he ends up getting his his uh he ends up getting his record expung he ends up getting a he ends up getting a um like they they let him try out for some college team or some some some not a college team but like i think it was either a college team or for like a

semi-pro baseball baseball they like hey they heard the story we're going to let you do i don't know what or happened to it right right but the bottom line is is nothing happened to her nothing they'd never charge like stat they're like oh well Statue of limitations is up. Statue limitations. I don't give a fuck. Statute of limitations. My life. How about my life sentence? How would you like to go to prison as a rapist? Yeah. In a state prison like that. That dude went through hell in prison. Yeah. I'd never fucking made it in a state president for something like that. No. No. And luckily, he's a six-foot tall guy that plays,

you know, plays athletic. Athletic, strong, powerful. Right. He could take care of himself. Right. But God knows what he had to go through. But yeah. So whenever I think about those things, I think, you know, what do you, and that happens, you know, every once in a while you'll find out something like this. So for everyone you find out, there's a camera, there's got to be a thousand that there was no camera. Yeah, yeah, and there's no protection. I mean, it's just, just say it. Or the cops setting somebody up. They did that in North Carolina with the lacrosse players, a whole lacrosse team.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like the fucking half the lacrosse team got relieved of their lacrosse scholarships and stuff. And they're all low Island kids. Right. And then eventually. They're all from Long Island. Right. But eventually that got overturned.

They found out she was lying. It took three years, though, for their lives. And I remember one of the kids, by the way, one of the kids was talking with their, they asked the kid, they said, well, how do you feel now that it's, it's, it's, your case has been overturned. You've been vindicated. He said, listen, no matter what I do the rest of my life. I'm going to be that guy. He said, when I die, my obituary is going to say that I was one of the lacrosse players that was accused of. Yeah.

And nobody will even remember that I was, that three years later, I was acquitted. acquitted, not guilty. Yeah. So he's like, it won't matter what I do for the rest of my life. That will always be there. He's like, so how do I feel? He's like, I don't feel good about it at all. Yeah.

Yeah, this is a tough subject to get into. I get very angry about it because I've seen it. And in fact, in fact, I'll tell you something police related when I was out when I was in the street. I had a guy, a patrolman. I was in the car with two cops. And they didn't do anything criminal. But they had a guy in the car who did something. It was a bullshit crime.

It was basically a misdemeanor. It probably, I wouldn't have made, I wouldn't even made the arrest, that type of thing, you know. So they make this arrest. They're looking for the overtime. Now, this is what fucking pisses me off. They're so money hungry because, like we've talked about in the beginning of this, opportunity and need is there. So you just need to create the situation. So they make this arrest.

I mean, listen, the guy was an idiot, but they made the arrest. And they said they stood there in the car. encouraging him to talk to them. Like, I don't talk to the guy who I lock him up. If I lock him up because you did something, let's go. We're going. Done. I don't care what you have to say. Because it doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter. You did this, you're getting arrested. Goodbye.

They're getting him to talk to them because they want to be able to go for overtime. Because if he speaks to them about the crime, they have to write it up. They have to write it up. And then when they write it up, it becomes part of the record. and then they have to testify to it, which means a day in court, which means a day of overtime, because tomorrow they're off.

He's off tomorrow, so he wants a day of overtime in court. Mike, are you fucking kidding me? I'm on the job 10 years. These guys are around the same time as me. They got the same experience as me, except they're fucking Greenpoint cops. I'm a Brooklyn guy.

Greenpoint's in Brooklyn, but it's like lollipop land, you know, compared to East New York. I'm like, you're trying to get a fucking guy from a minimum. misdemeanor, make it a felony so you can go to fucking court and get overtime. I mean, make a real arrest. You know, do something else, you know, the possession of burglar tools.

I don't even know what the fuck they got. I can't remember. But I mean, this is the type, I don't play that game. I never did. So that's why when I hear these abusive things, like what I love today, I love the show, Long Island Order. You ever see the guy, Long Island Order? It's got to come up in your feed.

No. What is it? He checks the cops all the time? Oh, yeah, yeah. You mean he's a, um, they call it. First Amendment. First Amendment. Yeah, yeah, I love him.

I love, you know why? Because guys need to learn the law. They don't know the law. I said to move, well, I don't have to. Now, it's a little, it's a little disdainful, I guess, in a way. You know, when the copy actually move, you know, if there's no, it's not, it's not, you don't have to comply, but sometimes it's just easy just to comply because there's maybe a reason, right? But oftentimes it's just because they don't want you to see them affecting an arrest,

or they just... It's the ego. Ego, bullies. Bullying, you know, and I don't go for that. I never did. You know, there are times when you got an ass beat, you know? You know, I was a young strapping kid. Right.

I might give out a beating if I had to. But usually it was well deserved. Right. You know, it's not like just because, oh, if the guy gave you the finger, he's getting a beat. Right. That was back then. You got a few. If the guy gave you the finger,

or went like this when you drove by, he got a beat. That's the facts. I'm sorry, you know. Today you probably wouldn't because the cameras are everywhere. Or I take you home to your family if you had one, right?

Some guys don't even have anybody at home. So I'd put him in the car and take him home. You know, a 12-year-old, 13-year-old kid getting the car. No, no, get in the car and take him home and bring him to his parents. Let's his parents deal with him. Yeah, yeah. These are the things you did back then.

Today, you know, it's a different world. You know, everybody's sensitive. Everybody's a little fucking sensitive. But, yeah, so I went through that, And the Diaz organization was paying me $8,000 a week. Right. And it was good money. Right.

And I had a good life. What did he say? What did he say when the cops busted his one operation? What did he say to you? Was he? He was like, hey, thanks for trying. Yeah, he's the one who told me they tried to re-rob his own people. That's how I knew.

He knew that I did my thing. I said, look, I got them out of there. And he goes, yeah. Yeah, I said, and then. Then they caught these guys with this stuff. He goes, that's because they tried to steal it themselves. That's what he said to me. I said, well, I can't be in their heads.

He goes, they were trying to steal it themselves, the whole thing. And I found that out probably about eight months later. Because he took off. He went to the D.R. for about a year. About eight months to a year. And I finally saw him. In fact, I went to the D.R. to see him. So I don't think it made the, I don't think it made the,

documentary. I mean, so much stuff, it's a big life, right? 10 years. So when I'm in, when I'm in the PD, I now have a girlfriend, right? And I'm going to show off, right? We're young guys. We want to show off. So I'm going to take it to the DR to meet my, my drug deal and bunny. Right. She's a cop. I don't tell her anything, but she's not dope. She knows, she knows a story, right? So I, I, so we call, this is, this will be a name drop. We call Sunny Franchise. You know, sunny franchisees he's dead he just passed 101 i mean that's uh michael franzi's michael's father yeah she calls him up she dated michael when he was back in in his 20s yeah right what a small world yeah yeah you can't even believe this shit so she calls up mike sunny franches

he's only home for about a year or two before he gets locked up again it was in 1987 89 90 she calls him up he wants 500 kilos from diaz okay he's trying to get me he's going to rob he's going to rob diaz he wants 500 kilos from diaz this is sunny franchise and he he tells us go to el casa de campo in the d'a it's the top place go there about five thousand dollars for dominican vacation it's a lot of fucking money even back then because you can go there for half the price right now anyway so five thousand bucks for a vacation Santa in the el casa de campo and um so wait to take her there on the plane. I don't realize this, but there's someone sitting there on the plane.

I don't know this at the time. Like, you know, you can feel something, but you can't, you're not sure. So I get off the plane and they toss me in the DR. And back then, it wasn't like it is today. It was a landing strip. And you got off the plane and they handed you a fucking rum drink. That's how you got off the plane in the DR. They handed your rum, making you drink. And I got this drink in my hand. And it, and it, and it, and they want to toss me. They want to check my shit. They want to see my ID, my paper. You know who I am. You pull me over for a real. Anyway, long story short, they were setting me up. A guy comes over to me. Beard, the story is insane. The guy comes over me. He's wearing a beard, stocky guy. He goes, you're all right? I go, yeah, I'm fine. He goes, yeah, I was on the plane with you.

He said, where you're going? I said, I'm going to my friend's place in the D.R. here, whatever, El Casa de Campa. He goes, what brings you here? I got a friend down here. He owns a bunch of bodegas in Brooklyn. He goes, oh. He goes, you want me to help you get a ride?

Because speaking in Spanish, I'm not really good at Spanish. I can speak it, but not that well. I go, no, I'm good, thanks. He goes, okay, all right, good luck, have a nice trip. But he leaves. It's the DEA. Right. He got it from me in like one second.

Yeah, I'm staying with my buddy. His name is Diaz. Yeah. Well, that's no help. There's a million Diaz's. He owns a bunch of bodegas in Brooklyn. Narrows it down. Narrows it down a little bit.

And he's in the DR right now. Yeah. So they know who I am. They know who I'm working with. Diaz. Right? Because they've already debriefed a bunch of guys from the bus that went south with the robbery. And the Diaz has been on their list for five, six years and I've trying to get him.

Okay. So I get to the DR. I'm calling Adam. First of all, you got to, this is, this story's crazy. You're calling who? Diaz, Adam. He's in the, Adam, he's in the, he's in the DR. Yeah.

He won't come. I go, dude, can you put, his wife, answer the phone. She's probably 18. Yeah. She's, there's new one's 19. Yeah. Right now.

There's no one 19. Okay. He's 58. Anyway, so, so he, he comes to see me. No, I call. And she goes, he's playing basketball. Now, Adam is five foot four. Right.

Maybe. Okay. Okay. Playing basketball. Okay. It's 3.30 in the afternoon. Okay, he's playing basketball. It's hot.

It's hot. It's hot. Whatever. He's playing basketball. Okay. I call him 11 o'clock at night. Oh, Jesus. Adam there? He knows you're coming, right?

Yeah. Is Adam there? He's playing basketball. I call him every night at midnight. Because I don't sleep in the deal. I'm fucking. getting laid and potting them. If you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be.

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to save a whopping 50% off site wide. Is Adam? He's playing basketball. I said, you tell him, I came to his fucking country to see him

and he's playing basketball. He can't stop playing basketball. I'm sorry, Michael. I told him, but he said he's playing basketball. I leave the deal without seeing my guy. Now I'm embarrassed, right?

I mean, I bring my girlfriend, we're going to, you're going to show us around the DR. We got caught Blanche with a kingpin. I mean, back then, back then he probably had 40, 50 million in cash in bags. Right, he's running the place. He's running the place. Him and his cronies. I feel like a schmuck.

I get back to America about two months later. It was May. It was in May. He goes, I meet him at a, Barron's shop. I go, what the fuck? He goes, bro, they were following you.

They had your phones. They were everywhere. They were all over you in the DR. He says, and when I got back off the plane from the DR, they tossed me again. And my girlfriend. I got nothing. I'm going to get cash. Right.

We didn't come back smuggling the shit. I don't need it. It's already here if I wanted something like that, you know? But they tossed me again and her. And know who tossed me? me if you look at the movie to 7-5, there's a guy in there, Joe Tromboli. He tossed me in the airport. Not personally. He had customs do it, but he stood there watching him do it. And I turned around

and I go, you motherfuckers. I said, I'll get you in the street out there one day. Yeah, yeah, all you cops are dirty. All you cops say that shit. But this is what they, this is what they customs agents were telling me to my face. All you cops are dirty. You're the biggest smugglers. Really? Thanks for telling me. I didn't know. I didn't know. we were. So, I mean, this is the attitude they had back then in 1989. So it's just, I mean, it was everywhere. It was prevalent, bro.

I mean, for customs ages to be telling you that to your face. And they got no jurisdiction outside that fucking fence. Right. You know, and I said, when you come outside that fence, don't run into me. Let me tell you right now. Nah, yeah, that kind of fucking attitude they had. Meanwhile, there's people walking by with boxes, with ropes around. Listen, they got ropes around boxes coming into.

to the fucking airport. I got my little luggage and a girl. And they're tossing me. And the guy with the box that says, Medellin cartel on the side of this fucking box, he's going through customs like it doesn't matter. I mean, it's just insane. It was insane. So how does how does it end up, how do they end up busting you? So my partner, who's now retired on a three-quarters disability pension for the rest of his life that I get him. Okay. I get it from him. I get it for him for two reasons. One, because he's my partner. Right.

Two, because I need to get him out. Because he's a weak link. I know he is. If I get rid of him, I get rid of the problem. But what happens is he gets his pension. He gets bored. And he gets bored. He's sitting at home bored.

You know, he can only bench press 400 pounds. You know what I mean? He's getting bored. Broken wrist. That's how you get the pension. I tell him, go break your wrist again. He broke it on the sink in the fucking in the bathroom. He locked up a guy.

the one day they let him out in the street they wouldn't let us on the street anymore the one day he was out on the street was 4th of July 19 if I said the 89 88 88 or 89 I think 89 they only let him out in the street one day

East New York is he busy he making arrest and every he makes an arrest brings the guy in and takes his wrist and slams his left wrist and slams it on the fucking sink breaks his wrist Of course he accuses the guy

in the process and the process of the arrest I maybe break my wrist. The guy gets charged with assault and whatever else. Which the assault doesn't fuck as a cop, no matter. And whatever he's being charged with burglary or robbery, who the fuck knows? And he ends up getting a three-quarter of disability pension. My uncle puts him out.

My uncle does the paperwork puts him out. They went to get him the day that he gets the three-quarters disability approval and gets retired. They went to get him that day to talk to him about me. And Tromboli from the movie goes, he went to see Yarel. Yarel goes, I'd love to help you, but I'm retired. Right.

Retires, gets bored at home, joins a bowling league. So every Tuesday or the Thursday night, he's drinking the beers with the boys at the bowling league. And they like cocaine. So he starts his own business. His cousin, Danny, is a cop in the 73, third precinct.

He's robbing the drug deals and bringing the home to Kenny. Kenny's selling it. The price of getting very expensive around Easter, just so you know. Okay. I didn't know that. Because the Colombians are very religious and they don't do any distribution

around the holiday. They respect. So load up before Easter or shortly thereafter. So he couldn't get any because the price is very expensive and he was buying it for a discount. Anyway, so he calls me up I put the order in.

I got him a shit. It was shitty cocaine, but they were selling it. It was moving. One of his guys that he was given to selling a 50 piece because he's a street level

dealer now. He's dealing $15 pieces. Right. At the bowling alley to his 10 friends that was buying. 54 people got arrested. In my case,

54. That's a lot. All I knew nobody. Right. I'm the kid. Pinkpin, though, because I gave him the cocaine. That sounds like my wife's case. Like 60 people got arrested.

She knows like five of them. I knew four. And I was one of the four that I knew. Kenny, myself, my partner, Tommy, who really had nothing to do with this. In fact, I don't know if you guys heard this story. A state trooper in New York State shot himself in the leg. It was all over the news in New York. He shot himself in the leg.

A state trooper in New York. My partner's son. They hit his house. right by accident he's at work in the state trooper car he says he got pulled over and a man shot at him and hit him in the leg

oh okay is he trying to get disability too he's trying to get a disability he shot himself in the leg not with his service revolver right like a second i think a 22 or some shit like that you got to drop that in a hole a smaller gun a smaller gun he gets hit in the leg they go to his house they find a half a million in

mansion's basement. My partner, my ex-partner, not Kenny, my other partner. Okay. The one that was my last partner before I went away. So anyway, so he ends up getting arrested with me, my last partner. So it's very convoluted, but it's a lot,

it's so detailed, I don't want to get into the deed. There's too much. So long story short is, so now my partner and I get arrested, I know my partner, I know Kenny, my ex-partner, myself and Kenny's wife, gets arrested. Those are the four people I know,

myself and these three. 54 people get arrested for this ring that he was running but because I provided him with a brick or say if a brick whatever it was at the time I become the kingpin in that whole case and then I become the target because the Suffolk

notifies the city that they got their eye on me the city says we've been trying to get him for seven years whatever you need they gave him 147 men and I'm saying to myself I feel like I'm being followed 247 I guess guess what

I was being followed 24-7 that 147 men had signed from the city. They had 80-something men's task force. It was because it was a state task force that was on the case. I mean, they had wires on I think they had

12 wires up. Which is a lot of fucking wires on and six of them were cops, houses. So he's buying from somebody else, but when it's, it, but he's been buying from somebody else for whatever, six months a year. And he's been buying and then one day it gets to be super

expensive and he asks you, hey, do you have anything? Yeah, yeah, I'll get you something. You bring him a brick. Right. That's it. Now, you're the guy. Now I'm the guy. The whole time.

Correct. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm at work. I'm with my partner and it was right after the day of the day of the Rodney King riots. You can't even make the stories up, bro.

The Rodney King riots in L.A. L.A. is burning. Right. And I'm driving around. Now I'm in Greenpoint. my green port, Green Point in Brooklyn, my last stop.

I'm working there and, uh, it's quiet. It's very quiet. Too quiet. They are, haven't called us in two days on the radio. Like,

not once. It's backstories, but they haven't called us one time on the radio. And all of a sudden it goes, radio goes, um, 9-4 Henry. I'm sorry.

Henry, 10-1, no, 10-2, 10-2. 10-2 means report to the command. I look at my partner. Now, we just had a tall, absolute, this fucking, absolute vodka with a stop at the bar, the bar, the ball hooks herself, takes care of us. Right. So I got a fresh vodka, absolute in seven,

and I just did a couple bumps with the A-O, right? So I'm all fucking wired up, ready to go. I go, shit, what's this about? They never call you to 10-2. And it's actually one of the things in New York City now, you don't know, like one of the laws that came from this, you don't ever want to get a 10-2, they say, don't get a 10-2.

It might not be good news. So I get the 10-2. I show up. I'm driving back to the precinct. The wrong way on Mezzarole Street, heading from Kent, towards Manhattan Avenue, on Mezoril, which is the wrong way. It's the first time in my life I drove the wrong way on that street. Something wasn't right.

I wasn't feeling something right. I looked to my left, and there's a car. with two guys sitting in the front, and I never saw this car before, because I watch every car, right? That's the life I was living. I'm like, who could it be, might it be,

might it be, two guys sitting in the car. I get out of the patrol car, I look at them, I walk up the stairs to the station house, I walk inside in uniform with my partner. What's up, boss? That is 10-2? He goes,

points, the captain wants to see you. The guy, he's like, he says, why does this lamp? The captain wants to see you. They know something's going. down. So I go, I turn, just turn.

And then comes to two guys up the stairs with their badges out. Internal Affairs, lieutenant so-and-so from Internal Affairs, we're taking you for a department order drug test. I said, oh, okay. That's not going to go well. This is going to go well. My partner's, he don't care because he's clean.

We go downstairs, we get changed, and they stood next to me like this. I couldn't bend my knee to take my pants off without bumping into them. I couldn't. I said, do me a favor. Can you back up an inch so I can get my drawers off or you want me stay in my uniform? No, no, you can change. They want, they, they, they didn't want to rest me in uniform. Right. So they wanted me to change. So I changed. They put me in a car. I got in my pocket in my regular civilian clothes. So I look at my gun and here's,

you know, my mind's going 100 miles an hour now. I look at my gun. I go, should I leave them my off-duty gun? I'm really trying to weigh this out here. How bad is it? Yeah, yeah. They go, yeah, yeah, you might as well leave it. You can get it later when you're done. And I pause it just because all I had to do at that point was tell them, here's what I'm

going to tell you. Go fuck yourselves. I'm not taking your piss test. Have a nice fucking day. I quit. Right. That's what I should have done. Because then it would have forced their hand right there.

Arrest me with no warrant. because they didn't have an arrest warrant for me. Or show your cards right now before whatever is going to eventually happen. So what they do is they take me and they put me in the back of a, like, I'm like a compliant little soldier now. Right. Okay, where am I going? We're going to take you for a piss test. How about I drive?

No, it will take you. Why don't I drive? Right. I got my car here. Why don't I follow you and I'll meet you there. But I don't. in the car with them. I get in the car. I got in my pockets. I'm like,

this doesn't look good. It just doesn't go the way I'm playing. This doesn't go the way I hope. What am I going to do with the cocaine? So I start smoking. There's no handles on the windows. There's no handles anywhere. Right. I can't open a window. So I go, you guys want to open a window so I can

smooth? They go, no, go ahead. I smoke. I chain smoke two cigarettes. I'm putting them out on the floor. I light another one up. They're choking themselves out. They don't open a fucking window. I want them to open a window. I got the cold. I'm going to throw it out the fucking window right in front of the front. I don't give a fuck. I mean, just stop and find it. Good luck, right? Nothing. They wouldn't open a window. I get out of the car at Lefreck City, and I'm walking towards the building, and it's flanksed with cops. There's a hundred cops there. I'm going,

this looks like a little bit more than a drug test to me. It just, this is for a drug test? I mean, and they all got the scrambled eggs. They call them scrambled eggs. They got all the gold on their hats and their uniforms. They're all gold. Everybody's wearing gold. There's no one's wearing white shields. It's all gold.

I go in, I make a right-hand turn, and the elevator opens up. There's two chiefs on the elevator. I've never seen one chief in my career, but maybe one time at a parade. Two chiefs on the elevator, an elevator opens up. I get on the elevator. They're looking at me. They don't even, they don't even say a word to me. The elevator closes.

I go up to the 17th floor. Get off the elevator, there's flanks of cops there. I can't get rid in this shit. I'm going to throw it out. The guy walks up to me, some guy who missed up. I think his name is like a Holman or something like that. Whatever is the guy, Homeland Security name, Holman. His name is something like that.

He goes to me, take a piss. He hands me to cut. He's smiling because he's been trying to get me for years. One guy's been trying to get me to piss for years and catch me dirty. I grabbed a cup from my... there you go. All of a sudden in the background of here. You got it?

Yeah, you got it? Yeah. You hit the door? Yeah. Like, they're doing a bust. Like, right, right. It's over the radio. You got to, yeah, we got the package.

Good. But you got it, yeah. Turn, click, you're under arrest. What? Dispirations distribute narcotics. Suffolk County detectives were there in the city. Wait, and lock me up. Guess who the cousin?

The guy was my cousin. My mother's cousin. Okay. The guy that locks you up. is my mother's cousin. So I get arrested in in Lefresk City for distribution

of cocaine. And then of course I get out on bail. Well, they grab, they find the that was in your pocket. Yeah. Yeah. So they charged me with that in the city. Right. So I got a city charge, a county charge, and eventually a federal charge. Just in that one incident.

Okay. Like a wrap around. Everybody got their piece, you know. So what happened? I mean, what do you I mean, you, well, you don't get out on bond. No, I do initially. Initially, because it's state charge. You get bond in the state. It was $350,000 that I got out on bond.

Yeah. So I got out on bond. And then while I was out on bond, they set me up with the wires, you know. They put wires on my partner and he came to my house. And it was a whole big. Oh, yeah. The Kenny thing. I kind of assumed that it already happened.

You know, see, that's when I see everybody, the story plays out. The real story plays out different than it appears. So Kenny now comes back into my life. life, what are we going to do? How are we going to fight this? But he's already working for him. But he's already working for them. Right.

Yeah. So he sets you up on a, on a, um, burglary, kidnapping, extortion, the whole bit. Right, right. Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that I would basically get life.

That's what he was doing. Well, so, and that setup was they wanted you to go pick up somebody that owed a drug deal of money. Correct. Correct. Correct. Was the drug dealer in on it? He was the DEA agent on the plane.

Oh, okay. Remember the guy with the beard on the plane? Yeah. Six years later, he's back in my life. Setting that up. He probably was never actually out of your life. Yes. Yeah, he was just in background doing other cases or whatever.

He was always, always had his eye on it. Yeah. So they grab you, so the next time they grab you, you and Kenny are supposed to be going to pick up somebody. Correct. And they grab you then. No. No.

I got away. Oh, okay. I got away. I got home. Everything went peacefully. Nothing happened. So, because the real, so that's not the real story. The real story is this.

We're going to surveil the location. Okay. Kenny, Kenny's, I go, Kenny, turn on the scanner. I don't know if you know this story. Turn on the scanner. He turns a, like, he's annoyed. I'm like, dude, I got the scanner for a reason. Turn it on.

He turns it on. We have it on about a minute. One minute. on. He goes, I think it was a 107th precinct. I think, 107 desk. Like the desk officer? Yeah, be advised, there's a burglary stakeout on that location.

Like, the address came over where we were going. We've gotten several calls from local residents there. There looks to be some suspicious vehicles in the location. So the desk responds, be advised. there's a stakeout on that block on Avon Street for burglaries. So I look at Kenny, I go, Well, it's not good. That's not good.

He goes, we're not going to do burglaries. Fucking dick. You're a dick. We're not going to do burglaries. We're going to do a murder kidnapping. I go, I guess you're right. No. I go, are you fucking crazy?

So we're only a block away. now we're just thinking we're a block away so I turn on the block and I look around and I'm seeing them everywhere there's cars everywhere and back then they had portable phones the DEA

whoever was set me up internal affairs had portable phones I didn't know we never don't want drug dealers had them back then you know the bricks yeah yeah I remember so I'm like wait a minute I look around I go he goes

Kenny goes, we're going up to that door. I go, you're going up to the door. He gets, I go, I go, I just took off. And I see, I go, look, they're everywhere. Kenny, they're everywhere. He goes, who? He's wearing a white all the time. Yeah, yeah, of course.

He knows what's going on. Yeah, I go, they're here. They're fucking cops everywhere. I hit the highway and head back to Long Island. Get home to his house, drop him off. And when I get to his house, he goes, I see you late. Now, that's not Kenny. I see you late. No, no. Come on in, have a beer, have a soda.

What's up? I go, what do you mean? I go, I go, I want to go in your house. I want to calm down. I want to take a break. We just race home. I don't realize. So he goes, let me check. Let me check and make sure my wife is, you know, dressed or whatever. I'm like, I've had his wife naked in bed with me. What the fuck's he talking about? I got to check and see if my wife is dressed. This is like family. I got into check. It was even dressed.

I walk in the house about a minute later. She's all wet. Her hair's wet. And she just towel wrapped around. She just got out of shower. Oh, about bullshit talk. The house is empty. There's no furniture in the house.

So I go, where's your furniture? You go, well, you know I'm selling the house. I go, yeah. You know, it shows better with no furniture in it. It's the exact opposite of any real estate agent would tell you. They bring in, they bring in, the fucking,

yeah. So I'm like, good answer. I mean, he had an answer. He had an answer. So I go, all right.

I go home. I pull up the driveway. Get in the house. Now, I'm 30 minutes from his house is my house. Pull up the driveway. My wife goes, how was your day?

I go, well, you know, going out doing robberies, burglaries, whatever. You know, it's not a very good day today. We didn't do too good. I said, we get, she goes, you know, it's funny. Dory said to me last night,

if I never see you again, remember, I love you. And that's Kenny's wife? Kenny's wife. She said that to her last night. I said, wait a minute. I went out with Kenny this morning.

You didn't tell me that she said that to you last night. She goes, and all of a sudden, whoosh, whoosh, they're streaming into the fucking, my court. I have a cul-de-sac. I live on a big house on a cul-de-sac.

They're coming into my cul-de-sac. Six cars deep. I go, oh, fuck. And I didn't know what to do. You know, they're here. Hello, they're here. So what do I do? I take the scanner.

I had the scanner. I threw it behind my TV. Right. They never found it. And they came in looking for the scanner because they wanted to prove that I, because the scanner's going to be on the radio with Kenny's tape recordings and stuff like that. Right. So, yeah, so it was a dark day.

So I was arrested twice by them, you know. So the second time. No bond. Second time was because it was federal, you know. And the funny thing is the city, the city detectives came to my house to lock me up. in walks the DEA agent, Mike Truster. So I'm like, I'm half naked, you know, I go, well, let me get dressed. I'm, I'm going to something on.

They're like, no, no, I go, I'm ready to fucking knock them out because I'm pissed. You could have called me up and said, come on in, motherfucker. But no, they have to make a big scene, a big showing. So I'm about to headbutt the motherfucker because they go put your hands behind your back, blah, blah. and I go, I'm not putting my hands behind my back for you. I'm not doing it. For him, I will.

For Trasta. For the DE agent. I'll do it for him, but not for you. Fuck you. So I, all right. Calm down. I said, you come to hear guns drawn. My wife and my kid here and me.

You know who I am. If I was going to shoot it out, you would have been dead before you got to the, I've watched you come up the stairs. I opened the door. Right. Well, that's what they do, though. Yeah. I mean, but.

It's an intimidation. Yeah, it's the old intimidation factor. And I'm like, fuck you. I'm not intimidated. I'm like, fuck you, fuck you and fuck you. Anyway, so sure enough, I get arrested. And I comply. I'm compliant.

I'm overall fairly compliant. You know, it's not going to go good. So you got to be good. Yeah, you can't win. How's going to go? It's not going to go. So I comply and I end up in the, you know, handcuffed for an hour and a half in the patrol car. And they pull in a plane patrol car, whatever,

they pull up in front of Southern District of New York. And here's what they fucking say to me. You know those state charges you had? Yeah, what about them? You see that sign up there? It says the United States of America. He says your complaint says the United States of America versus Michael Dowd. He said, they take over nations.

So good luck. So then the rest is, you know, I cut the best deal I could. I mean, how much was the... Well, they offered me 34 years, my first plea. My first plea was a 34 year offer. And I told them trial. Go fuck yourselves. Yeah, I might as well.

I might as well go to trial. And the next plea was 24 years. I don't know. And I told them, fuck you, let's go to trial. And then they came down to 17 to 20 something. And I said, fuck you, let's go to trial. And my lawyer says, stop saying, fuck you. Because at some point they'll go to trial.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You'll be back at the fucking. You'll be back at the 34, yeah. So he was able to get them down to the range of 12 and a half to 15 and a half years. Yeah, yeah, that's the range on the sentencing guidelines, right? Yeah. So that was the range.

And as luck would have it, I'm being accused of nine murders in the newspaper. Okay. I didn't do any. Obviously, I'm sitting here. But I'm being accused, because that's what they do. Fake news. They accuse me of nine murders. And the bodies up by his house.

They're buried everywhere. They make it great story. Yeah. Great. I mean, it would be great for the movie. Anyway. And so they got this thing going that I'm doing all these murders. Now, that's the next thing.

So I'm on the front page of the papers again for nine murders. So I happen to be on the phone with my lawyer. I go, look what they're doing now. He goes, yeah, I know. He said, I'll tell you what? He says the Malin Commission called again. So I already turned him down twice, told him to go fuck themselves. And this was a commission that was put together to look into police corruption.

Correct. Right. And they wanted a star witness, which would be because they made me a star news, you know, fucking nobody. And so they would, they said that they would, if you were truthful and honest with them about what you did, blah, blah, explained to them everything, that they would, they would write a letter to your judge. That would help, maybe help, maybe help turn sentencing. So, true enough, I did my cooperating with the Malin Commission. I told them how I did things.

I said, if you want to catch me, I'll teach you. I said, but there's nothing else I'm going to give you because what I can do? Hurt other people? You catch them if you want, but I'm not going to catch them for you. Okay. So you teach us how to catch you. And I did. I drew a roadmap on how to catch me and what to do.

And they did it. And they got the whole 30th precinct. They called it the 30-30. the 34 cops were arrested in midnight shift in 30th precinct in Manhattan and it was a big splash in the news you know what's his name? Commissioner Bratton Commissioner Bratton walked in

and took the whole midnight shifter took all their badges from them and arrested them yeah as a result of my cooperating with the Marlon Commission I didn't know these guys I didn't know any yeah but so they arrested the whole midnight shift got arrested 34 guys what did how did that that'll be a movie too that would be a movie one day

how did that benefit you? Let me did you still get 12 years? Well, yeah, so I still got 14 years. 14? You still got the high end of the guideline? I got the middle. She said, I'm giving you the middle. She said, I was going to give you more.

She said, I was going to give you more than the 15 and a half. She said, but because the model commission said that you were cooperative and that you were very valuable to them, I'm going to give you 14 years. She said 168 months. Yeah. I'm like, because 168 months, I can't do the math. I'm frozen. I can't do the math that quick in my head.

She was, that's 14 years. What does that end up? How much time do you end up getting? 14 years. How much time do you end up doing? 12, 12 years, five months. Yeah. Yeah.

Mm. About the same, that's about the same amount of time I did. Yeah, you know. I got maybe about an extra month or two, you know, when it all comes down to it. Yeah. It's funny, whenever someone will tell me like, they're like, yeah, man, I got 10 years. I'm always like, fuck, 10 years. And then I think to myself, well, what are you talking about, bro?

You did like a fuck I was 13 years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It always sounds like... Jesus, seven years. It's crazy. Yeah. How many did I do? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I did my time and, you know, it was a picnic for me. Not really. I held my mud. That's it. You know, federal prison. It can be any way you want it to be.

Yeah, yeah. So most of the guys that make it hard, make it hard on themselves. It's always fucking who just happened. Yeah, but you joined the gang and you were stabbing people. Like, what did you think was going to happen? You were all part of the game. I fucking ended up in a picture. And, you know, you got yourself.

You worked your way up. Yeah. Yeah. So I did my time and, you know, I mean, there's beautiful pictures of me on my Instagram when I was jacked and beautiful looking now I'm fucking 64 next month. So, I mean, that's, chip is sailed. But I will get the gym. In fact, when I leave here today, I'm going to join the gym.

You're going to join the gym. I am, but it's slapsed because my car had something with my card. Okay. Yeah. I'll fix it today. So now. I do a podcast called Good Cop, Bad Cop, probably because of you, because you kept pushing me and pushing me and pushing me.

You got to get your own. Not true. You got to get, well, you did tell me several times. I did, but I think everybody's been telling you. Yeah, everybody's been telling me that years. That's true. Yeah. So I got a Good Cop, Bad Cop, Podcast.

I've done a show. I think you might have even done one. Gamblers, Crooks, and Gangster and Con men or some show. I want to say there's hustlers in there. Yeah. It's like hustlers, gamblers, and con men. Cons or something like that. And I was like, which one of mine?

I don't know, but I did the show. I suppose it came out in January, I think. I also did something with, I won't drop their name because it's still not really, they wouldn't want me to. But I did it with the guy who produced the documentary, the 75, no, it was the director of the 75 documentary, Tilla Russell and I had to sit down. It's going to be something to do. It's going to be similar to this. But it's been an honest conversation about life and where you were, where you are today, and things of that nature. and it should be interesting because it's really high dollar production,

a really big, big production they put through it. But this isn't a podcast. This isn't a podcast. No, it's for like, 60 minutes. Oh, okay. But not 60 minutes itself, but a 60 minutes type show. And they're going to do, they're going to, I believe they're going to do a, what would you call it? Seasons, several seasons of it.

Because there's a lot of people that can get, you know, that can get to interview for that kind of thing. And so that, that's one. And then still that movie, they're still, Ben Stiller still owns the, I shouldn't say owns it, but he still signed. He's got the option on it. He's still involved in the potential directing of a movie, called the 7-5.

They've written the script now. Seven different people have been paid to write that script, which I could have done on a weekend with anybody on a napkin. But, you know, they're getting paid. I'm not, but they are. But I do get options. They do buy an option for me every year or two, which is something. Was that every 18 months?

Reoption it? Yes, but we've changed the rules now. But this is enough is enough. We told them. 18, 18, 18, not happening. What is they doing now? Now we're doing 6 and 6. Six months and six months.

I often in mind it was nine months. Yeah. You know, that's usually they try to get you 18, 18. They go, oh, they did that. That's industry standard. That's the fuck it is. Yeah, it's their standard. Fuck you.

It's their standard. Yeah. That's what they want. Yeah. They did that to me for nine years. I had enough. I said that enough is enough. And finally they changed it.

And what, what it is, I got a lawyer. involved too who knows the business right so me being a negotiator on the phone i put a lawyer in charge whatever you can do for me please do it and he did and he they worked better it worked out better for me in that respect now the problem is they can't get someone to play me it's not i'm not an easy guy to play apparently they had they said they well they they brought they brought the they brought the they brought the kid on um they played elvis butler yeah uh butler is austin bell austin butler yeah they brought him on he he he he brought him on he he

He paid for the role. Right. He took care of him to give him the role. And they gave it to him and he backed out. I think my personal opinion, I think it's because I'm too, I'm too conservative. That's my personal opinion. But you're going to play a cop. You got to have a conservative audience, at least or at least.

Yeah, a cop in the 80s. And you would have been, you know, you need a young up-and-coming actor. It's not like, like, listen, if Leonardo DiCaprio can play Jordan Belfort, you know, anybody can play you as long as they can actually act and play you. Right. So. But they need a, they need a star because it's a big budget movie. Yeah, yeah.

It's a big budget movie. But they're not going to get the budget unless they have the star. You're not getting a fucking. Correct. It's $80 million probably. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, why? Because they got to shoot it.

Why? Because they have to shoot it all in New York. And it's a timepiece, too. You know, it's. Oh, they have to do that. They have to go back and put all the old, they got to find 1970s. and 80s cars. Yes, yeah.

That's expensive to put them on set, you know. It's probably five grand a day for each car. They needed, let's say, 10, you know? Just give me an example. I don't know. But yeah, it's already been, it's, it's actually ready to go. They just need the actor, I think. And I think they already got Kenny's act.

They already got the guy just playing Kenny. Young good-looking guy, too. Have you read the new script? They don't let me read anything. No? No. No. Why they're afraid you'll be like,

Ah, yeah. You made me look like a break. Exactly. Which is funny because, like, I wouldn't be that. I don't give a fuck. I know what I fucking did. I understand that you have a scene here, a scene here and a scene here, and you have to combine those. Some things aren't going to make.

You know, you're basically trying to take what's probably 10 or 20 hours worth of screen time and jamming it into two and a half hours. Yeah, an hour and 40 minutes. Yeah, exactly, two out, whatever. Because people, you know, because here's what my understanding is, by the way, is that. is that is that you know where you and I grew up it was an hour and a half was that the movie is now they're two and a half hours so because because audiences are now programmed because of like binging Netflix right they're used to going and spinning two and a half hour okay like dude's fucking two and a half three hours like all these movies are I'm not saying there's not still hour and a half movies but like you're a movie like the thing about wolf of wall street's what almost three hours or is it three hours I think so I don't know it's Yeah, it's long. It's not an hour and a half. I'll tell you that. Listen, I'm not a movie guy. I wouldn't sit for an hour.

Three hours. I wouldn't sit for three hours? I wouldn't sit for three hours movie. But I mean, look at your, like, that's not, you can't do that movie. Well, I mean, you could probably do it. Hollywood could do it probably anything. But still, you need at least, you need two hours. Probably you're right. But I'm really more concerned about a TV series. That's what I want to come from this. Well, I would, I would. Because if you ask me, I get paid. That's what I'd want a TV series. Yeah.

Because you're going to leave so much on the cutting room. The floor, it's a waste. The documentary left 50 to 80 hours on the floor. Right. Between myself and the five guys that I know that interviewed. Yeah. That's how much is on the floor. And the stuff on the floor is way better than what's in the documentary.

I mean, like, just insane. Yeah. Complete insanity. So we were talking about the other, we were talking about before we started here where we were talking about being filmed. And people don't realize, like, they'll do an interview with me or you. That's going to be, it's going to be 42 minutes, right? 45 minutes, 44 minutes, roughly.

It's not going to be an hour because they need 15 minutes of commercials, 15 to 20 minutes of commercials. So they'll interview you for three hours. Right. And then they take a break a couple of times. They feed you lunch. They think, you know, but what they're doing is they're going through and they're taking scenes and then they come back and they go, we're going to give you some connection lines

or whatever they call it. Yes. And then they say, my name is Mike on camera. Right. Yeah. Say, say, you know, and then what happened. And then what happened and then what happened? Like over and over and then you'll say, say, you know, ultimately what happened was.

Finally. Right. And then can you say, you know, that's when they arrest me. So they take all these scenes that were five minutes of 10 minutes of conversation and they condensed them into one or two lines. Yes. As connection pieces. Yes. And so you're like, they interviewed me.

So you watch these things. Like I watched, they did my true crime story on me. Okay. And I watched it. And, you know, it's horrible. It's horrible. Like, oh my God. First of all, they put makeup on me.

I looked like a clown. They put me in clothes that I'd never wear. Yeah. People were watching it going, you would never wear that. And which I looked very hip. Yeah. Right. I'm not hip.

I'm not hip. It's not who you are. You know, so anyway. I look hip. I'm not hip. Yeah. Anyway, so they're doing all this stuff. And, you know, but you go to it and you're like, it's funny because I'll look at it

and I'm disgusted. And yet somebody else would be like, bro, it's great. Great. You're like, I'm in the car. I'm in the car driving. They're doing a scene with me the last, about three weeks ago. And they're in the back with the lens. They got the lenses, whatever, a screen.

They got a screen. Yeah. They're watching me drive. And they're going, he looks beautiful. Who the fuck are they looking at? Who the fuck are they looking at? Not me. Like, this is it?

I'm like, I'm getting a little bit of Woody here. I'm beautiful. These guys are going to start fucking me. What's going on? Anyway, so. So I got a lot of those things still going on. And I'm also involved with, you love this, a show called Mopsters versus Monsters.

We're trying to get it produced right now. Okay. It's actually, I have an agreement with Sony, I have a shopping agreement with Sony, which is nice to have at least an agreement with them. You don't get anything to sign the agreement, but they're shopping it. And I'm going to be a character in it.

It's already been filmed, the whole thing. Like, it's it. So they have a collection of footage. It needs to be spliced and diced, and then they need to put me in it. Okay. Because I'm going to be the lead investigator. Okay. Why not, right?

What's the premise of the show? Bigfoot. They're going after Bigfoot and spirits and stuff like that, yeah. You want to hear something funny? Go ahead. I interviewed for that. For what? That show that you're describing right now.

Right. I was, I did a, you know, did they do the, they did the thing where it was a Zoom meeting and then you had another meeting and you had it, right? Okay. So probably a year and a half ago, they contacted me. They contacted, uh, they contacted me and they wanted, and while we were talking, they were, it was going to be me and another guy, like an FBI agent. We were going to be investigating things like Bigfoot, the, um, the, um, the, the, the, the Bermuda. Mutant triangle, you know, the existence of whatever. Spirits.

Yeah. And so when they pitched me the whole thing, I was like, I don't, I don't think that. But I've been, I've had a lot of these, by the way. You know, I'm sure you have too. Yeah. They, you know, first you get the, you get the email, then you get the phone call, you know, and then you get the Zoom meeting. And then you get the second Zoom meeting.

So I did the whole thing. And I was like, do you guys have anybody for the FBI agent yet? And they were like, no. I said, well, let me give you two guys. So I gave him Jim Dioreo, and I gave him Tom Simon. Simons. So which actually, I think both of them are, I mean, they're both retired FBI. And I think they're also both licensed investigators.

Tom Simons is definitely one in Florida. So he pitched it. So they did the same thing with me. But while they were doing it, I said, yeah, I don't understand the concept here. And they were like, well, you would be investigating. will actually take you places and you'll be going around and I went

yeah but I'm a fraudster because it wasn't until that meeting that they explained what it was because there was no name yet right right and I thought you guys were going to talk about

like me and this guy going and investigating like the death of Jimmy Hoffa or things that are crime related because then it makes sense like hey I can tell you from the criminal perspective

what's going on he can tell you from a investigative side. Right. I said, but, bro, I said, I don't know if there's aliens or not. And they're like, well, I know, but we're going to make believe you know. Yeah. And they were like, same thing with Bigfoot. And they mentioned Bigfoot. Several. They were like, and they kept going back to Bigfoot. And they were like, and they said, you know, like you talk to people about Bigfoot and this and that. I was like, I said, I mean, look, I'll do whatever. Like the money is right. I'll do it. If you pay me. I said, I said, so let me know. And I said, but that seems a little bit. I would think you. I would think you. would have done this. And they were like, yeah, well, that's not what we're going. I was like, okay, whatever. Anyway, here's time. So I gave him Tom's name and Jim's name. And then they actually interviewed them. And they came back later. And they were like, hey, look, I was interviewed. They loved me, blah, blah, they said they're going to get back touch with me. Eventually, I think they told Tom,

they weren't interested. I don't know what happened with Jim. Obviously, they didn't take Jim or you'd be, like, oh, Jim's my host. So obviously, they talked to you and they went with you. Well, it's a different program. It's not the same people. Are you sure? Sure? Yep. How do you know? Because we already have the footage shot for this whole thing. Yeah, but this was like a year ago. When I talked to them. I spoke to them. So it's not them. My friend has the footage. My friend has the mobsters versus monsters mobile. My friend has it all in place. Okay. So you're saying your buddy came to you? I'm in my buddy's house. He shows me this clip. I said, I can get that. He's hands. I could send that to somebody.

I sent it to L.A. A friend of mine in L.A. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Well, Bro, I'm telling you, there's another people out there that are talking about the same things. I heard about it as well. Okay.

Wow. We have it already done. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I just, I was just like, I don't understand how you guys... We have all the footage done and everything. We don't have...

Got it. It's not glued to. So you're trying to put together in a sizzle reel. Is that what you're trying to do? We have a sizzle, yeah. Oh, you already have a sizzle. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, I thought, bro, these people contacted me because that happens a lot. Yeah, no, I've gotten contacted. Yeah, we all get calls for that kind of stuff. We're all over like, like, this is only so many guys like that. Yeah. You know, another one that happened was, uh... So good cop, bad cop.

I started the podcast. Make sure we get that in. Good cop, bad cop. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it's doing pretty well. So you probably know this because you guys do this. I'm in the top 15% on Spotify.

No, we don't do that. Because Colby hasn't signed up to put us in the ranking yet. So we're not even in the ranking. The ranking only goes up to top 200 is what Julian said. We should be in the top 200. Did you not sign in? I mean, I thought they said you have to put yourself no. I don't know.

Are you telling you that he's... I don't think so. I said top 15%. Yeah. 15% not which means is a million podcasts, right? Yeah, but I want to be in... I don't care about the record. You want to be the top 1%.

No, I'm obviously, but no, I mean, like the true crime one. Like, they actually have true, because, you know, Danny, you know, Danny, yeah, and a Julian. Do you ever talked to Julian, Doherty? Julian Doherty, he's, oh, bro, I got to, he's in fucking New Jersey. No, he's in Hoboken. Maybe. Come, I don't know him. How do you not know him?

Well, I'll give you his information. Anyway, he's got a huge podcast. Does he? He's very good friends with Danny, but he, um, he, uh, he and Danny fucking sit me like they, they have the ranking. Oh, yeah, like, like, Danny's like, whatever, like 20th, and Julian's like 42nd or something. And I'm like, and they're sending it to me, and I'm like, they're taunting me.

Oh, they're fucking with you. I'm like, where are we? Where are we? We're not being on the fucking ranking. I'm like, that's some bullshit. You should at least be on the true crime. There should be a true crime. Absolutely, you guys.

I should be in there. How long have you been doing this now? Eight years, seven years? Stop. Four years. Four years? Four years. It feels like.

I haven't been out of prison, fucking, but five. That's it? 109 in Sweden, Are you off probation? Wait, what? 109 in Sweden's true crime. We're 109? 174 in Brazil's true crime.

73 in Russia true crime. That's us? Canada and America, it just says out. Oh, that's some bullshit. Yeah. Because I had DM Julian a few weeks ago because I saw it post it and I was like, I was like, how do you find this? Like, how much, how high does it go? And he DM me saying goes up to 200.

So we're not in the top 200 of true crime podcasts for the U.S. and Canada. That's our main 95% or probably 92% or something. It is our base is in the U.S. and Canada. What's your age group you hit? I mean, it's probably 20 to 20 year old, 55 year old. It's 80% of it is, we're between 25 and 55. That's 80% of our people coming there. Probably 78.

Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They had me, we're in the 45 to 55. I don't know why.

Maybe because I'm old. Well, I mean, I'm old too. I mean, I'm 55. Yeah, I'm only, you're only in, what, nine years? Yeah, I'll be 50, 64 next week, two weeks. Oh, okay. Well, then we're still. I'm not even.

Yeah, you're not even then. Not even. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, you, the, the, you just got to keep, well, who are you interviewing on the podcast? Whoever, we got, we got to, he's got to, my, my buddy makes a lot of calls and stuff like that, yeah. But, uh, well, if he wants to call myself, you know, yeah, I'll fucking show myself, so. Yeah, sure. Um, I was going to say, if he wants to call me and get any, any phone numbers or anything, like, it can be a motherfucker.

Like, when you're starting, listen, I was, I was, I was, I'm begging people. When I first started, I'm begging people. Like, I, if I didn't, luckily, Zach was close by, we could get him to come once a month. Yeah. Yeah. And we were only doing one. one week, one a week. And we're cutting it up and just stretching it. Yeah. And so I'm calling on friends and friends and friends. Like, pretty much if you, if you had a parking ticket, like I was ready to talk to you for two hours. Like, let's talk about that. Let's talk about the ticket.

You're funny. That is, that's funny. And you're not very comedical, but that's funny. But you got a parking ticket. I'll talk to you. But now, you know, now you can be more selective. Well, you have an establishment now. And you, and you, well, and now there are people, reach out to us. And what's great is now people are like, where it used to be, we switched to doing a lot of stream yards because guys are like, yeah, I want to, I'll be on the, it's not like I want to be on, it's like, I'll be on the podcast. Right, right, right. Like they're doing you a favor. Right, right, right. They're like, but you have to pay to fly me out, pay to it. It's like, okay, I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do that. So then we started doing stream yards, you know, you know,

I'm sorry, remote podcasts. Okay. Which people hate. Yeah. And so we started doing those. But then, you know, Once you get big enough, you get enough subs and your average video is getting enough views, then people start calling you. Right. And you're like, okay, well, you understand that I can't afford to fly you up. They're like, no, I'll fly out. Yeah, right. I'll put myself in a hotel.

Right. Flying from Alaska, Washington. Alaska, California. Yeah. I think I flew from Alaska the other day. Alaska. And yeah, yeah. So now we got a, we got a form that they have to fill out, send a video and to submit.

Right, right. You want to make sure they look good on camera too, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. of. We've had some issues where literally, I mean, like, I did a thing. I like the guy's got like one tooth. And even though he sounded credible, the whole time he's talking, I'm thinking, I can't, I can't put you on. This is a, I can't put you on film. This is a crime podcast. Yeah, I can't be, you got to be at least be slick. Yeah, you can't be somebody appealing. Yeah, yeah. So we put him on Spotify. Yeah, Spotify and yeah, mostly Spotify. But yeah, we'll have them send like a minute submission. And now we have it, we just set up where if someone messages Mao,

Instagram asking about coming on the show, it automatically sends them the form. Like here, fill us out. All right. I don't do any of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks slick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do have a question.

I thought about this about a year ago. From the New York Post, the headline is New York Police Department bans and famous corrupt ex-cop. Or infamous corrupt ex-cop. Yeah, that's a funny one. After visit to police headquarters. What happened? Can you imagine? I remember there was a picture of.

of you in the police station. You just went in there and took like a selfie or something, right? Yeah. Why do they have a problem with that? Because I, well, because it's me. That's number one. Number two, I took a picture behind the podium that a cop takes when he's retiring. They call it an exit picture.

Okay. Like, congratulations, you made it. Right. So I stood behind it, and I was mocking myself because I'm self-deprecating. You know that about me. I fucked up. I wish it was me standing here getting my pension

and my fucking honorary retirement photo. Instead, I'm standing here in my fucking civilian clothes taking a picture wishing that I had gotten the right thing done. And I posted that up on Instagram while that fucking

blew a hole in the fucking post, the Daily News. Everything I do, they fucking sell papers on my back, bro. You know, that's just the way it is. New York. And they just had nothing good to say. Nothing good to say.

Did they ever reach out? Oh, people sent me messages on Instagram. You're a fucking scumbaggad, low-life. You shouldn't be in the fucking, in that, in that sanctum, that sanctuary of fucking heroes and shit, like, fuck you. So what, what, I mean, did they ever reach out, did the, did the posts or any of the, New York Times, whatever, did they ever reach out to you for a comment? Yeah.

Before they posted it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, I don't know, I get, I got a message on my phone. I pick it up. I go, well, let me call them.

I call them. They said it's already printed. The article's already fucking printed. I fuck you. You're fucking scumbags. Yeah. Yeah. I remember they printed an art.

There were several articles. Every time they'd ever printed an article on me, they were like, Cox was, was, what do they call it? We were unable to get in contact with, with, unavailable for comment. Right. I was in prison. You just wrote an article that I'm in prison. You know how to get in contact with me. Write me a fucking letter.

Yeah, right. It took you a week to write the article. You'd written me a letter. I'd have gotten back to you. Yeah. least give me a chance. I'm like, well, I don't, you know, I'm looking at the paper like, I don't know when they reached out.

Yeah, we're going to do it with you or without you. You want to, you know, that's, and that's how I got the documentary, too, because they were going to do it with me or without me. I said, well, better with me. Better with me because at least you get the spin. And second of all, you got a real story. Yeah. Not a fucking archival pile of bullshit that you're going to put together and turn it

to a success, you know, the documentary was very successful. Every time I ever talk to anybody when they're like, oh, they're going to do a documentary. They call me. It's like, then you need to participate. Absolutely. Now, are they going to cut it up? Maybe they'll cut it up. Maybe they'll try and make you look bad.

But at least you can have some input. You can put a human touch to it. If you're not, they're going to fuck you. Right. If not, they're going to, they're going to, it'll be really bad. It'll be really bad. It's all the bad. Nothing good will come out.

It's nothing but cops talking about you. Yeah. Victims, yeah. You need to get in there. Yeah. Even if it, it might not help you, but it's, you're not going to let them pile of shit on the way that they're going to do it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. lot of that stuff. And I do a lot of extra podcasting as well. I'm one of the most invited guests

on podcasts. You know, I find strange right now is Mike Fanchise. He's was with, um, with the Tate brothers in, I guess in Romania. Yeah. He flew out there. Yeah. You know, I know Mike. Mike and I are friendly. And I can call Mike and say hello. I mean, I know if you have that relationship with him. Yeah, I did his, like six months ago. Did his podcast? Yeah, I didn't do his podcast, but I don't know. He didn't ask me. And that's okay. Well, you could reach out to him. No, no.

No? Why? Why would I? I don't need to reach out. Even he says no. It's fine. He's not to me. Then you're waiting for him.

And you went out. How many times you've been on soft white underbell? Twice. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they asked me. No, I know. Oh, no, no, no, no.

No, no. Let me tell you something. So, soft white underbelly didn't ask me. And in fact, he wasn't even interested in having me on. Really? Yeah. And then I said, okay, fine. I hung with the phone.

And then now a lady calls me back. Oh, no, I didn't know how I was talking to. Right. And I'm like, well, whatever. I don't do. I don't care. You know, do you? You know, I just think I wanted to get, because he's going to take care of me.

I'm going to be out in L.A. He'll put some spending money in my hand. I'm going out there. I must have earned while you're out there. What did your video pull in, too, though, wasn't it? Four million? Four million? I was looking out of the day.

Yeah. And the second one was about a half a million. Yeah, Joe Rogan was a million. Yeah, yeah. Four million. How much did he make on that? It depends. How long was it?

An hour. An hour. An hour or six minutes? Conservatively, $50,000? I'd say conservatively 25. That's conservative. It could be more. It could be more.

Well, he has a lot of subs, you know. Yeah. But the thing is, it also depends on the watchtron. the watch time. The longest watch is. What was, of all of them? Did it get limited?

Did, you know? Eventually it did. Eventually. Yeah. So our first interview with you did eventually get limited too, but it was two hours. It was two, like two years after the fact. Really? Like, they're just, sometimes that just, they get.

Like, there's a, there's a couple words that I'm going to mute just because of that. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Actually, yeah. If you think, if you sat down and told your whole story, how long you think it'll take? Like, all the. good details um seven seven hours yeah um probably if you if you went into the backroads of it

and into others i mean it's it's it's it's a five-year tv series yeah yeah four at least four it's a five-year tv series and when you develop all the other characters yes it's huge it's huge yeah he's talking to 10-year run in the police department and every day was an adventure like every fuck and not what adventure dozens of adventures in a day and i don't mean police piecework. I'm talking shit that went down. I took a guy in handcuffed him to the steering wheel of his car and gave him a bucket of chicken and a beer. And I forgot

I left him there. Those are the kind of, I was going to say, my run was like 10 years also, and I went on Lex Friedman, and it was a, we talked for seven and a half hours. He trimmed it down to six and a half hours. And it was the same kind of thing. There's so many little

silly stories like that, like me saying, I got so many tickets one time in a guy's, I was, I stole a guy identity got a driver's license in his name driving a car in his name i got so many tickets in his name i had to go to fucking traffic school with him to keep from losing his license but that's the same story you with the guy at the buck of the chicken it's those little time there's and it's not one that story there's tons of them that story is this big right that one little story is this big because it starts with a fire yeah and 28 people right but i'm saying you've got you've got what

50 100 tiny little baby stories like that every little story develops into all of a sudden It opens up another box. Right. Yeah. Hurricane Gloria. Just mention Hurricane. There's six stories behind Hurricane Gloria. And the money that I got that day.

It's a day before my wedding. Do you have a place? The day before my wedding. Did you have a place that you've written it all down? A book? Yeah, somewhere. Yeah, yeah. It's somewhere.

I have a pile of papers. And I have, it's on, my son has it in an email for me, you know, because it's 500 pages that I wrote and wrote. Fact, the funny thing is, this AI shit, you could turn it into a book in a couple of days. Right. So why don't you do that? But my handwriting is illogical. They won't even read it.

It fucks it up when it reads it. It fuck some of it up. But I'll tell you something. We ran three pages through it. And now, watch this. We're reading it aloud. His wife walks outside in California to say, hey, what are you guys doing? And she steps and she's listening to my son read the translation from the AI.

She goes, who wrote that? Right. I go, why? She goes, that's really good. Now, from a woman who knows me and knows not the stories, really, because what does she know? And she's like, that was really well written. Right. With AI, we fucking put the pages in the thing.

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