Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Arrested Jan.6 Cop Gets Pardoned by Trump

Episode Date: February 8, 2025

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It was so exaggerated by the media and by the government. They pushed an exaggerated narrative that did not happen. For example, cops must initiate the entire thing. So let me first preface this by saying, my understanding of the events are limited. I've watched a couple of documentaries, and one, I have like a real disdain for just the media in general. But I couldn't find a documentary that wasn't as soon as it comes. comes on within three or four minutes, it's like it just seemed overwhelmingly slanted. You know, no, you know, I mean, no offense to, you know, the media, but they were.

They were all, they, they seemed extremely slanted. Yeah. And everything was, you know, was, you know, was, you know, violent this, violent that, you know, it was, and I felt like, okay, there's, you're, you guys are pushing this agenda and I haven't seen, and thus far at that moment, I hadn't seen anything that I would have considered violent. You know, later, I definitely did. Yeah. Um, but initially, and then they, they were, they were also, they were saying things that Trump was an agenda that Trump was a put was pushing, but they never showed any footage where he was saying anything wrong. Like, I'm like, okay, they're saying that he's inciting all of this, but I'm watching what he's saying. And

unless I had my own agenda, I wouldn't be taking that, taking what he's saying. And taking what he's saying. in that manner at all you know what I'm saying like he's got he uses a lot of rhetoric he's always you know spouting off and saying insane stuff but I mean you have to take it with a grain of salt because obviously the left does the same thing but I'm watched I couldn't find one that was that I felt like was non-biased the problem is of course as you watch they're only showing you one side right and let's face it if that if that footage didn't exist then I'm not saying it's untrue I'm not saying their version isn't untrue I always hate that there's that saying there's there's their version and your version, you know, and then there's the truth. And I just

felt like I was only able to find their version. Of course, they had, they had a monopoly on the information that was, that was given. Because if you were to say, contrary to what the media wanted, wanted to put out there, that you were called the conspiracy theories or called, like, you're lying, you're trying to erase what would happen. Like, look, I understand that there were people that have done things they probably shouldn't have did on January 6th. Yeah. But it was so exaggerated by the media and by the government. They're the big ones that pushed it. And I know the media and the government were in bed together, right?

So they push an exaggerated narrative that did not happen. For example, the planning of the insurrection. First of all, it wasn't even an insurrection. The insurrection is an actual charge. So let me give you an example. Let's say you go into a candy or a candy store and you take some candy. That's called theft, right? That's like you're taking something and then all the news lines say he robbed that store.

He robbed that store. Right. you didn't rob the store you stole something right so insurrection they called insurrection is a charge no one was charged with insurrection so that's number one anyway that's a side point I digressed on that but they created this narrative that it was a planned orchestrated event where people were sitting behind you know they had blueprints of the capital and they were you know marking points we have these radios and it's all coordinated event to attack the capital that's 100% a lie right 100% a lie I don't know anyone

who did that, they said that the night before we were at a house and we were coordinating, we were getting drunk the night before. So there's, we were just watching TV getting drunk. So this whole narrative they push, they were allowed to push it because the government pushed that and the government knew it was a lie. They know it's a lie, but they pushed it anyway for political reasons. So, um, so yeah, we'll get it and all that. We're not, we're not in a hurry. We're like 13 minutes in. Oh, sorry. I got, I get kind of carried away with this conversation. No, well, What I was going to say is one of the ones I watched was a journalist. And so what he did is first he starts talking about these white supremacist groups that

are at these rallies. This is a year or two prior to. And he's saying white supremacist groups, white supremac groups, and then it shifts to extremist groups. And then he kind of bounces back and forth and he starts talking about the proud boys. But as I'm watching it, I'm thinking, okay. So in my mind, I immediately start thinking, okay, so the Proud Boys is like a white supremacist group. But as he's showing it, there's blacks.

Like they're black. You know what I'm saying? There's blacks. There's Hispanics. There's, and I'm like, okay. And so this, what are you, what they're showing doesn't quite make sense as far as the proud boys are concerned. Yeah. And at one point, he does kind of clarify it where he says, like, although they do allow blacks and Hispanics to join, I was like, you're lumping.

them in with a white supremacy movement, I'm pretty sure, I'm not a, I'm not positive of this, but I'm pretty sure white supremacist groups probably wouldn't be allowing blacks and Hispanics in. I mean, I don't know. Definitely. I'm thinking that maybe the core, you know, your core values might be offended by that. But yeah, so that's what they were going into these different rallies and stuff. And that was another one of those things where I was like, well, this is, you're not making a huge distinction here. And you guys keep showing these groups. You can, keep talking about the proud boys being white supremacist, but that's not what I'm seeing at all. And then they, then he talks about how they disappeared, then they came back and then

they're at these rallies. And so what, how did, and I know that you were involved. So how did you get involved with that group and why did you get involved? Were you, and were you a police officer at the time? I guess that's the real question. So towards the end of my career where I just decided that I want to do something else. That's when I joined the proud boys. And I felt like my beliefs and the, you know, my political beliefs in being a police officer were kind of, kind of, you know, I don't know the word to use, but they weren't aligning properly, right? Not to say that, you know, police officers are doing the wrong thing, but I feel like a lot of cops, like it was during the COVID time. A lot of cops were doing what they were told,

not what they believed in. So, for example, there was like ordinances and things that were coming down from the government, like, you know, we had a curfew. So after nine or 10 o'clock, anyone was on the street, you had the legal right, unless they were, what was it called, a central, essential, that you could arrest them for breaking the curfew. I'm like, I'm not doing that. Right. I'm not doing that. It's ridiculous. So things like that were coming down. I'm like, man, this is not what I want to be a part of anymore. So I went on to pursue different things. And how did the proud boys? Oh, oh, so I was, yeah, I was still involved with them. And it's just, it basically, they try to politicize the proud boys. The proud boys is a drinking group where guys get

together. They talk politics. I mean, you can't be left-winger and join. Basically, it's a right-wing drinking group. Right. So you get together a couple times a month, drink some beers, talk about politics, work out together, just like a, you know, it's a men's group. Okay. So it's been politicized over the years, you know, they throw the accusation of white supremacy because the media needs that white supremacist boogeyman because they've been talking about it for years. Right. They need that, which is the greatest threat to civilization. I mean, no, it's not. It's ridiculous. Right. They even say that. Um, but no, it's not. The Broadway is not a white supremacist group, you know, are, are some of them unapologetically, like, pro-white? Like, yeah,

white families, but you should be that no matter what you are. You know, I'm pro-whatever you are. Yeah. It's okay if you're black and you say you're pro-black or you're Mexican or whatever. Exactly. That's acceptable. Yeah. They make that acceptable, but you're pro-white, but you should be no matter what race you are, pro-your people. But the group itself is not a a white nationalist organization. Okay. But how did you get involved with them? I just emailed them.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I saw them on the streets in 2018 at a Trump event, and so I emailed him, and that's how I got in. Okay. And I mean, and that's it? Like, there's just, I mean, is it at least like a national, I mean, are there rally? Like, what is it?

There are like 12 guys, you know, in Sumter County or, you know? I mean, I don't know. the specific numbers, but there's a lot more than, there's a lot of, a lot of guys in Florida particularly. There's a lot of pro boys across the United States. And, you know, the majority of them that I met are jam up awesome guys and the guys locally in the Orlando area. We work out together. We go to church together. We, you know, go to the bars together. And we basically, it's just camaraderie thing. You know, it's a support, the support system for men, like-minded men. Okay. And so you, you were, so you, and not retired, whatever,

You quit the police department. And it doesn't pay, right? Like, there's not like pay. So I was making about after taxes. Oh, you're saying the pro boys? In the proud boys, right. Oh, no, no. I mean, you quit your job.

Like, what are you doing for work at this point? So I moved on to insurance and things like that. Okay. So it was much safer. As a cop, I was making about 800 bucks a week after taxes, which is, you know, not terrible, but it's not enough to be chasing bad guys and getting shot at, things like that. But, yeah, no, the proud boys, they didn't. they don't pay you have to basically you don't pay but you have to volunteer yourself basically like

your time you know you got to be there for your brother some chapters have dues you know for times like where guys get arrested you know give their family money things like that super bowl is finally here it's not just the biggest game of the year it's the ultimate betting event and if you're not on my bookie you're leaving money on the table super bowl betting isn't just about picking the winner anymore because my bookies got all the wild prop bets you can imagine my bookie'll pretty much let you you bet on anything. Listen to some of these bets. You can bet on how long the national anthem will last and if the singer will nail every single word or will there be some slip-ups. You can also bet on will someone trip and fall during the halftime show. Will Trump tweet during the game?

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happen to go to Washington that day? Oh, on January 6th? Yeah, like, were you already, were you going to Trump rallies? Were you going to rallies in general? I had been to a few Trump rallies, but it was kind of like, you know, we wanted to start staying away from like just showing up to every Trump rally. This was specifically because what you've seen, I don't know if you guys have seen it on YouTube and Facebook and all that, where these Trump supporters would go to Trump rallies, and on their way to their cars, you'd have, like, Antifa, the anti-fascists, they would basically follow these families.

I've seen a wife, husband, wife, and children being attacked by these people, being kicked, things throwing at them just because they're wearing MAGA hats. So I was pretty pissed off about that. So we went specifically because we figured that Antifa and all these left-wing activists were going to follow them again,

went there to make sure it didn't happen. And that's how we got kind of sucked up into that, into the January 6th, the Capitol thing. And this is going to sound horrible, right? Because you're going to be like, bro, you don't know anything. Like all I hear, all I hear is, you know, is Antifa, Antifa. You know, there was a riot and or there was a peaceful, peaceful, you know, protest in Chicago. And Antifa was there and they burned down, you know, six buildings.

Still peaceful, though, yeah. You're right. Right. It was peaceful and they knocked out a bunch of windows or, you know. And that they're, I'm always hearing like, well, I don't understand when Antifa goes. to a some kind of protest and people get beat up or cars are flipped over or set on fire or buildings or whatever that they say it's peaceful and they keep saying antifa antifa what is antifa exactly antifa are anti-fascist okay so that's that's just the the hyphenated you know

right shortened versions anti-fascist and they view fascism basically is anything first of all it's involved with like white families right if you're conservative white family you're a fascist um anything that goes against, like, their ridiculous Marxist, anarchist view. So they consider anyone who's against that a fascist, and that's what they want to oppose. Okay. Yeah, that's not what I think of as fascism at all. But, I mean, fascism, I feel like it's basically nationalism, right? Like, it's...

Yeah. So before, prior to the dictionaries that came out in, like, the 30s and 20s, 30s and 40s, that fascism as ultra-nationalism, you know, patriotism, things like that. The term fascism was like... Hitler ruined it. Well, it's... That's what it is. They hijacked it because they wanted to...

Fascism was a good thing for the people at their time. They get a lot of these... If you look at the countries, the economy, things like that, they loved their country. The economy was doing good. Italy. Italy. It turned Italy around, right? And Germany as well. The German economy was doing really well.

They hijacked it because... it was it was fascism arose to fight communism right and Marxism so when you're trying to instill these these Marxist values Marxist uh whatever the out or um ideology fascism was against it's that's why they label everything fascist just so that you don't have to it's a it's a boogeyman word so if you say hey I'm I'm against socialism they go oh you're a fascist but that's not necessarily true and on top of that I was going to say I think that Adolf was a You know, I mean, I do know that what's so funny is how quickly people forget. When he first came into power and the Nazi party was elected into power and then he was appointed, you know, everybody loved him.

They loved him for years. He was Time magazine like Man of the Year at one point. He turned Germany around and it was amazing. It was phenomenal, even though there were things that were definitely leaning towards. that you could probably see that we're definitely leaning toward the, you know, the coming Holocaust, right? But the problem is once the Holocaust happened, World War II falls, public opinion shifted away from fascism because they connected the Holocaust with fascism.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, in my opinion, like suddenly they said, okay, well. Longbendy Twizzler's candy keeps the fun going. Keep the fun. going. Twizzlers, keep the fun going. Hey, we know you probably hit play to escape your business banking, not think about it. But what if we told you there was a way to skip over the pressures of banking?

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who is also is Japan, right? Like anybody. Yeah, it could be anything. I would say El Salvador or today is probably the closest thing to fascism that we have. Maybe not 100%, but it's the closest thing that we have. Right. It's, uh, they've eradicated, they've eradicated, uh, you know, crime there, basically. Yeah, they took that huge prison, right? I'm sorry, but go ahead. No, no, I, I, I, I, I, you know, what's funny is, it is, you know, so I remember this is,

and we'll get back to this. And maybe Colby will cut this out, but I think this is, essentially, this is, this kind of interesting, right? People love the whole fascist World War II debate right now. Right. Well, listen, I love World War II. I watched the, I watched the documentaries over and over and over again. I feel bad for my wife. But listen, she's learning a lot. So here's the thing is that when I went to Germany when I was probably 11 or 12 years old, We actually picked up a BMW at the at the factory, this is when they made BMWs in Germany, picked it up, drove it on the Autobond and had it shipped over here because you could do that back then.

I don't know if you can now. But so my whole, so we, not my whole family, my mom, my mother father and I, and we stayed at Airbnb's, not Airbnbs. They weren't Airbnb's. They were bed and breakfasts. That's what they call it. So they were bed and practices back then. Now it's Airbnb. Well, without the breakfast.

So anyway, we went and we stayed and there was a woman who was in the woman was renting out, rooms, right? That's what a bed and breakfast was. So I remember we were eating breakfast and we were about to leave and she was probably in her late 60s. And I remember she was talking, my dad was actually in Korea. He was stationed in Germany. And keep on, Korea was only, you know, whatever, a decade or so after, like whatever, 10, 15 years after World War II ended. So they're still covering. There's still buildings that are that are completely demolished. They haven't even rebuilt. And she was talking about how she had grown up there. She lived there for her whole life. She was there during the war. She was a young girl during the war. Talked about how she had

like three brothers who were all alive because they were very young during World War II, but they were all still alive. And when the Americans, that little town we were in, when the Americans came in, The Americans came in, and they walked, came through the town, and they were like, look, any men that were part of the German army have to bring their paperwork and come, you know, on this day. And they all, and she said, I think she said her three brothers went down there and one of them came back. Wow. And, and I, you know, so she was telling that to my dad. And I was just like, you know, I'm a little kid. I'm 11 years.

I don't have a fucking clue what's going on. I'm like, okay. And my dad was right, right. Right. So when we got in the car later, I was like, my dad was talking to my mom about. about it. And I mentioned, I should pull this closer, and I mentioned, what does she mean only, why did she say only two came back? What happened? Did they go to jail? Do they, and my dad said, you know, the history books write a certain version of events so that people can feel

okay about, you know, about horrible things that have happened. Now, back then, you could do that. you can't do that now and so he was he said that i have no doubt that those that they determined that one of the brothers hadn't really done anything he was young he never left you know never left the area he never left germany he never did anything probably was never in combat he left the other two may have been they may have been with the ss who knows what these guys did they could have been gestapo god only knows but they were on a list of guys that didn't come back And he's like, who knows what happened to them? Most likely, they may have been executed.

Who knows? But he's like, those are the things that happen in war that don't make the history books. Because you can't necessarily go into a country, take it over, and leave a bunch of people to rebuild the country that are armed and upset. Yeah. And horrible things have to happen in order to move an agenda forward. And I remember thinking, you know, so that kind of, I realize that. And if you look back, there's tons of events as cameras became more and more prevalent, right? Do you get to Vietnam stage or error where they're doing atrocities and they're being caught on camera?

The things that aren't caught on camera, everybody shuts up about it. But the horrific things that have to happen in order for you to invade a country and take it over successfully just can't seem to happen now. And they're horrible events. You know, it's brutal, but those things just don't happen anymore. They cannot happen anymore. You know, society wouldn't be okay. Or you could just be brutally honest with society, and they just mentally, their fragile little brains wouldn't be able to take it.

Anyway, when I watched these documentaries and stuff, and I realize, like, when, you know, you expect that of the Soviets when they came in. You don't really expect it. And, hey, you know what the Americans may have just handed them over to the Soviets, right? Soviets took a ton of Germans brought them into the Soviet Union and just worked them to death you know

so they may have handed them over maybe the Americans didn't get their hands dirty but somebody had to get their hands dirty I had a conversation the other day where we were talking about wars and how oh yeah the guy had said oh yeah well wars will be fought with drones and this and that

I was like at some point you have to have boots on the ground and somebody has to make those horrific decisions you know but it's unfortunately it does have to happen unless you're going to think you're going to do what you're going to put everybody in a in prisons or in tournament camps you're going to re-educate them i mean you know it's that's expensive you know it's not expensive like like bullets and gasoline they're very cheap they're permanent solutions yeah you know and and that's it's an unfortunate truth but that's the kind of things that happened back then and that's the kind of things that would have would have to happen in order to to take over something successfully. And I don't think that the, because I've had conversations with guys about, you know, Mexico, you know, what could you do about Mexico?

I mean, I could think about what you would do that would work. But it would never be accepted. It would just be brutal. As in like invade and, yeah, you invade and you do the same thing. Yeah, the Al-Saladour, you're digging ditches and you're leaving bodies. And, you know, it's horrific and it's horrible. And, you know, it's brutality for,

10 years and then people become assimilated in 20 years. Nobody's even talking about or thinking about it. Right. You know, maybe you've got some American Indians running around who are still complaining about it, but that's over. That ship has sailed. Might as well stop complaining. You've got, you've got, you got some land and casinos and that's what you've got. It's not, it's not changing. Like, you're not, you know, the people that are complaining about, oh, you stole this land. No, you stole it from him and he stole it from him and he stole it from him and we're not going. There was no established nation at that time. Yeah. I'm never going anywhere. Nobody's going to be like, you're right, bro. I got my DNA thing back. I'm going, I just got my DNA thing back. I'm going to,

I'm going to, uh, I'm going to go to, uh, Norway right now because I'm, you know, or Sweden, because actually this one says I'm 60 something percent Swedish. So, you know, yeah, I'm going to go ahead and go back to one of these Nordic countries. Like, that's not happening. Nobody's doing that. Yeah. So stop complaining. I think, uh, you said something like, like a couple minutes ago that, uh, they write history books a certain way. And the Victor always writes the history. Of course. So it's always manipulated. And that's why I always, uh, I always, uh, I never used to in the past, but now I don't trust the government at all. So I always look into history and I'm like trying to pick apart what they're doing.

So I always try to watch like counter or get counter information or get information that is counter to what we've been taught. Right. So the whole we were talking about the whole World War II thing. I think it's been greatly manipulated to create this like patriotism with Americans. We always did the right thing. We always did the right thing. We're the good guys. I think America's probably been the bad guys in a lot of wars, but they make us believe or they try to make us believe that they're the good guys.

What about, I love the way they, they do it on TV, where when the, when the allies went into these towns and would find the concentration camps, they'd always be like, I can't, can you believe they're doing this? I can believe they're doing this because it was, yeah, it was in the newspapers three years ago that this is what they were doing. You've known this is what they were doing. Yeah. They always acted shocked by it. Like, it's like, we had concentration camps in the United States. States. Yeah, Japanese. I mean, we weren't doing that. We weren't starving them to death. But, you know, still, I understand we, you will do that. Look, look, you have to do. There's things you have to do. It's like, oh, they bombed, you know, we're only bombing military targets. No, we're bombing cities that have no military targets. Look at, you know, look at, you know, what is it, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Like, you know, both, neither of those were military targets. We bombed both of them. Why? Because, because the weather was good. I mean, we're trying to get you guys to a point where you will surrender. Did that save American lives? I have no doubt that saved Americans lives.

Was it brutal? Yeah, but that's what's, that's war. Yeah. That's war. It's horrible. Yeah, it sucks, but that's the way it is. And same thing with, listen, oh gosh, was it India or Pakistan? I want to say it was India.

Yeah. Nobody ever talks about the fact that Churchill took a ton of food and supplies from India, and millions of Indians starved to death so that England could eat. It was a possession of the U.K., and they needed food, and so they took their resources, and they used it for the English, and millions of Indians starved to death. I'm not surprised. Churchill talks about that. Churchill, I don't know if you saw, there's a Tucker, Carl, an interview that it was maybe like a year ago or something. And Churchill was not this, like,

savior that they tried to prop him up to be. He was the one that instigated World War II. The Germans, Hitler tried to... Oh, multiple times. Multiple times. Like, I don't want a war. I don't want a war. Let's not do this. We're very much alike. Let's not do this. And Churchill was the one that kept instigating. I remember during that, I think it was that podcast, that they were about to bomb London, the Germans. And they reached out to Churchill. and try to make peace. Like, we don't want to continue this war. We don't want to bomb London.

And they try to get the women and children out. Actually told him, take the women and children out where you're going to bomb. Yeah. Which he did. He did move them. But, you know, listen, Hess built a special plane and flew into, I want to say, it's Scotland and jumped out. You know this?

I know. Listen, listen. The stuff that happened in World War II, is the stuff of Hollywood. Hess was like the deputy chief, which I think is deputy chief, basically like the vice president. He was afraid that they were moving towards war. He actually had a special plane built and flew into Scotland to try and meet with a guy who was an aristocrat that he had met with before because he wanted to talk to Churchill

about suing for peace because Churchill would not have a discussion at all, even though Hitler had asked over and over and over again, the problem with Hitler is you couldn't believe him. But, you know, he kept making these deals, and then as soon as you dropped your guard, he'd go in and kill you. So I get it, like the guys, he's not a sweet person. Yeah. But, yeah, there's all kinds of atrocities that occurred during that time.

Plus, there were, did you, what was the other one that? And these are things that, like, nobody knows about. Like, there was a ship that was full of Jews that were coming. from Europe that tried to come to the United States and the United States said, no, no, no, no, no, no, you've got 4,000 Jews on that ship or something. We're absolutely not interested. Turn it around. Turn it around, turn it around, turned it around. Eventually they had to go back to Germany, went back to Germany, landed, and all ended up in concentration camps. What happened to, you know, bring us your, bring us your poor, bring us your, you know, these things like, we were an isolationist country at that.

point we were like hey leave a that's that's their problem you know although honestly it did put america into a great position globally at that time and i mean it shifted our the power base of the world power base to america at that time so but regardless you know those are all things that don't that nobody ever talks about like war in general is brutal you know these are brutal people brutal times brutal things have to happen uh so Um, but, okay, so we were, yeah, we were talking about World War II and how these horrific things happened. So how, but, so let's, let's go back to, uh, all of the, the events that, that led up to, um, I hate to segue there, bro. It's a horrible segue.

It's fucking horrible. Well, y'all are talking about the Antifa, right? I feel like that's, I feel like that's the same. Yeah, bro, that's horrible. It's, I mean, it's, we were talking about fascism and Antifa and all that. That's a horrible thing. That's not true. I'll probably take.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, now I know, fascism. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'll probably turn down a little bit of those stories and try to, if you're going to roll with fascism. Yeah, yeah. I think, I think that the comparison in, and fascism had had it not, had not been connected to, had it not been connected to the Holocaust. then it probably wouldn't have this horrific because people loved, they loved fascism up until World War II and the Holocaust.

And then it got this, it was got that connection and then it was over. I'm going to give you my opinion on this. Okay. Okay. So I think the reason why fascism is so, has such a bad, from the both left and the right, that's the only thing left and the right agree on is fascism is bad. I think it's because during the time Mussolini, Hitler, and, you know, the, when that was in the 30s is that they arrested the bankers, right?

And they shut down central banks in Germany. And I think it was in, I can't remember the other country. But several countries, they shut down the central banks. Italy was one of them, but there was another one too. And I can't remember the other one. But it's all in that area of Europe. But they shut down these banks and they arrested the Rothschilds. Okay.

When you arrest the Rothschilds, which are still like the richest family in the universe, you start stepping on toes. right and when you you cause the international banks to lose so much money because if you're shutting down banks in Europe, big banks in Europe, that that's when I think they started to get upset that, oh, we got to get rid of this fascism thing because they're shutting down banks and now we're losing billions of dollars. So I think that's why they started shifting towards we got to start making this ideology, even though it was looked at as like ultra-nationalism, we have to make this ideology distasteful in people's mouths. And I think that's when it started to change. But yeah, the Holocaust

cost didn't help. I think the initial thing, though, was the resting the Rothschilds and messing with the international banks. Okay. Did you know that, did you know that, um, that Henry Ford actually had bought a, um, I hate to give you going back to this, but I mean, you know, there's a, there's a, there's a restaurant called Ford's garage. Yeah, yeah. It's great. The bathrooms are super, I never, I always kind of go in the bathrooms because they've got the, they've got all this stuff made in the bath have you ever been in the bathroom i don't remember i've been there but i can't remember they've got like the like the um two uh like when you go to wash your hands like a swastika or something no i'm just kidding no it's um it's a gas it's a gas pump oh yeah yeah so you know you pull you can

you you you you you you turn it and it's a big tire and then like the the the urinals are big like 50 gallon drum it's like a mechanic shop it is it looks like a mechanic like it's like everything's made out it's super super super cool They have like a model T up always in the Somewhere over the bar The food is good to it, yeah The food is great But I always think to myself like

This guy was He was a huge anti-Symy And I'm like And now there's four There's like nobody ever says that Like they're you're taking down statues Of, you know Robert Ely Lee

And you're eating at Ford's And I mean there's so many things like that That it's like But yeah The JFK files came out And in those files it showed that he said that Hitler was the stuff of legends and that he believes that when all the hatred for Hitler

is over, they're going to realize that he was actually a good person. JFK, so I'm like, man, JFK, maybe that's why they killed him. I don't know. Yeah, I think there's probably another reason. But yeah, I know I can't wait till people go through and just tear that whole thing apart and find out. Not that I can't imagine you would keep the truth. I can't imagine you would keep any record of whatever really happened.

We'll probably just never know. Yeah. So, okay, so, so that's what you're, so you're thinking that it's a whole, the bankers are behind it. I think the bankers are behind everything. Okay. I think everything that is, it's manipulated by the interest of the international bankers. Oh my gosh, what's the guy? I forget his name.

I won't get his name right. Anyway, you might know him. He's a little guy like us. He's a billionaire. And he does these. He does these, uh, whatever, big conferences and stuff where he gets up and talks, I think, uh, pinia or something like that. Yeah, I know talking about it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it might, I think you might be right. Um, you know, he's horribly crass. But the, the, the, I love that there's a woman who gets up and kind of confronts him and starts yelling about a global warming. And he says, listen, it's, it's a fraud. It's a biggest fraud that's ever been perpetrated on, on, on a society. And she's like, you know, and she's screaming at him.

He's like, listen, he's like, do you think that if that was, true you'd be able to get a loan on a piece of land or business anywhere in Florida since I was in I remember I've told my wife this multiple times when I was in school we had we had our science books talked about how by the year 2000 it's like it was like 50% of Florida would be gone yeah they've been saying that for for decades they've been saying that for 50 years I'm I've been here and it's like how foolish are you that you First of all, the planet is constantly heating up and cooling. That's with us, with or without us.

We are probably so irrelevant in the grand scheme. But the fact is for you to continually believe that in the next 10 years or 50 years or whatever, I don't know about you, but it's cold as fuck right now in Florida. You know, there's all those TikToks that come out and said, look, Trump just became president. He already fixed global warming. It's snowing in Florida. They had nine inches of snow in North Florida. Yeah, it's crazy.

It's nuts. Like, you can't, you can't determine what's happening with time. And you certainly can't believe the people writing these books, and you certainly can't believe the press. Did you see the thing that just came out where there's a whistleblower that says that Kamala Harris was given all the questions to the debate with Trump prior to that? I saw that. That's why she was so, she was good during the debates. Yeah. But on a regular interview, she sucks.

Right. That's why she wouldn't go on Joe Rogan. Yep. Oh, she's not going to talk to Joe Rogan. And he probably, honestly, Rogan, I think, would have been very fair. He would have probably asked her just, like, and he was, they asked him about that.

He was like, yeah, I just want to get to know her. I'm not going to, I'm not here to, you know, I'm not trying to ambush her or anything. I'm trying to have a conversation. Rogan would have been the most fair, but obviously, like you said, she would have been ambushed with questions that she's not ready to answer.

Yeah, even if a simple question, how do you plan on fixing, you know, whatever, the cost of food or this and that. She just doesn't have a plan. She can't answer it. And I don't know that, I don't know that Trump's going to fix any of that either. I mean, I think I've said this multiple times.

I think that the economy is in a lot of trouble and it's going down. And it's like a building that's coming down. It's like, who's best to bring the building down? Like, are we going to, is it going to just topple over or do we have a controlled, you know, demolition? Like I think Trump, it's more of a controlled demolition. I think with Harris, it would have just tumbled over and taken out a few other buildings. But I think there's a problem with the economy. Like, houses are too expensive.

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. Food's too expensive. Okay, so, so, but let's get back to the topic. So how did, how did you end up at the rally? Like, literally how did I end up or like? Yeah, no, I don't mean, did you take a, like a 50 or no. We, you know, saw that it was going to happen. Like I said, we knew that there was going to be leftist activists that were going to follow people to their cars and attack them.

And we hate that. and we wanted to go to make sure it didn't happen. Is it like you and like six other proud boys or were 30? Us specifically, like my area, we had, I think we had around six guys that went, but proud boys in general, there was, I don't know, maybe 50. I'm not sure. I don't know the exact numbers. We didn't coordinate with all the other guys about going.

Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, did you know the other people were coming? Yeah, I knew other guys were going, but I didn't know specifically who was going. Okay. But I knew, I've seen, I was hearing and seeing other. guys planning and going as well. So you guys didn't meet up in the woods in a big tent and plan out the-

Blueprints of the Capitol and, you know, guys in fatigues now. Yeah, I watched the whole, I watched one of the videos was, it was American, it was called, I think it was American insurrection or something insurrection. And I just, yeah, I just thought to myself, this is not coordinated. This is not, this is not a coordinated thing. And this is a bunch of guys, even when the barricades came down, like these guys, it's not they're not flooding in there was tons of people like the barricades came to people are when people are just standing there you know what I'm saying there's very few people that were and there were some people who are like hey yeah this is wrong you know the people are being pushed around you're knocking out windows like this is you know they didn't want to be a part of that and I think the bulk of those people that were there didn't that's not what they no one intended that happened yeah so so what happened you guys so you do you meet up with your six guys there are you noticing other guys are there yeah there's I mean, there's like 200,000 people there.

We were alone, basically, though. We stayed in our own group. We were just walking around, kind of just patrolling the streets, saying if any left us were going to start attacking people. We were far away from the Capitol. We didn't even go to the Trump speech, my guy, so we didn't go. But we heard that he was going to be at the Capitol. So that's why we went to see what was going on because we saw everyone moving over there.

But we weren't, our plans weren't to go there. We were going to go to, like, Black Lives Matter Square, whatever it's called, because we know they hang out there and they start, like, you know, antagonizing people, that's where we were headed until we heard that there was like some commotion at the capital, like, oh, let's go see. So we went there and I'll tell you, the police were the ones that instigated the entire thing. Everyone, I was around 10,000 people and everyone was peaceful singing the national anthem, you know, I'm sorry, people were singing the national anthem and were maybe people were cursing and stuff, but it wasn't like that we were just rushing the gates and

trying to attack cops. One thing led to another, we see cops all, like, lining up on, like, the little bridge there, whatever it is, and they have paintball guns, and they're starting throwing flashbangs or shooting us. This is before anything started. Everyone was like, what the hell is going on? People are getting shot in the face of paintballs, flashbangs going off. I have the video of all this.

That's when it started escalating, and where people started to, like, rush the gates and start rushing police officers because they instigated it. Nobody was causing any violence. They're the ones that started it. The DOJ knows that, but they pushed this narrative. like we went there with the intention to take over the Capitol and commit violence. It was absolutely firsthand experience. The cops initiated the entire thing.

So, okay, so once, did you go that you went there after his speech ended? Yeah. Okay, but you didn't hear the speech? We were not there. I don't know if any problem was there. I know people were there. But my guys went there. My group was not there, no.

So you guys go there. By the time you got there, had the front, had the barricades come down? Yes. Yeah. I didn't know. I didn't even know there were barricades like blocking it because I didn't see it. We just saw, you know, 15,000 people walking. We just started walking with them.

Yeah, no, they were beliterated. I mean, it's funny. It's not like they fell down and stayed down. They were thrown all around. And there was, there was garbage or, I don't know, garbage, but there was, there was debris in different spots all over the place. Yeah, it's funny because you'd have one guy screaming and hollering at the cops and you'd have, you know, there's a thousand guys. standing around them just standing at the barricade but there's one guy who's like just in it in the cop's face yelling and they're there with their you know the right year they're just standing

they're just staring at them saying nothing and the guys are screaming they're saying all kinds of crazy stuff um but most people didn't they just you know were just there and it's funny because in the i watched one of these was from vice they're the worst yeah and and they would show what this is what i didn't get because i'm you know i was trying to get like clarification and they would show someone on film screaming and then they would you know they do the whole you know they freeze the guy's face and then they mentioned what he was charged with but i didn't see the guy had not all of them some of them definitely i could see like hey these guys this guy's breaking windows this guy definitely um you know jumped over a barricade whatever but for the most part they never show what any of these

guys did so i'm wondering how do you know what they did like how do you know that this how do you know to charge this guy with anything, I can see him walking in a crowd. Like I'm thinking maybe he must have done something inside. But I watched the whole thing and there's never a video of this guy inside doing anything. The DOJ has CCTV cameras all around the Capitol. So that's how they got the videos of what people did. So the vice is not showing you everything. They're, you know, just cherry picking what videos that look good for their documentary. Okay. I actually didn't think that the documentary was was if there are better images I didn't think the documentary was horrific because I'm watching it I'm like okay this guy was charged with something okay and I'm kind of

trying to remember his name and waiting for to see what happened and then I never seen anything else so by the end of the documentary I was like I don't understand how this guy this guy got charged or some of these guys that they're showing on film or getting charged I'm not seeing what they did. So I wonder why they wouldn't have given, if there's, if that footage exists, I'm wondering why they didn't give that footage to, to, to, um, to vice to to use in the, in the documentary. Some of them, absolutely. Like, there are some guys there that are, listen, they're knocking out windows. They're pushing guards. They're doing all kinds of stuff. So I'm thinking, yeah, bro, what are you doing? Like, like, that's like, you know, it's, you know, it's not acceptable. That's not,

you can't be doing that. So, yeah, you, you should be charged with something. I don't know what you get charged with for that, you know, I don't know, are these, or I guess they are police officers or security guards? They're, they're cops, they're cops. So it is, you're, they're assaulting a police officer at that point. But they're also, they were also charged with whatever the other crime, where they, so you're saying there is no charge, no, no actual federal charge of insurrection? There is, it exists. It's a real charge. Okay. But nobody was charged with insurrection. So what is it? What they charge people with that was related to a riot was civil disorder. So you're involved engaged in a riot. And you are obstructing a police officer.

That's basically what they charged everyone for the right itself. But they also, here's the big one that I don't know if you remember this. It's 1512. It's U.S. Code 1512, right? And it's obstruction of an official proceeding. So that is a law that was created in like the 1800s to prevent someone like messing with an election integrity back when, you know, elections were all by hand and people could, you know, it's 1800s, right? Right. That's an old law.

And they charged everyone with that. And it was like carries like a 20 year sentence. It's ridiculous. They said we obstructed Congress doing their job, right? So in July of last year, Supreme Court heard that case and said, hey, I think it was Gorsuch, said that, hey, this is a, this doesn't apply. This doesn't apply to what you guys are charging people with. This is a way overreach. So they knocked it down.

So they had to remove that charge from, I got charged with that too, with, from all the cases. So it took away their heavy charge of 20 years and it dropped it down to like a regular felony of a civil disorder, like a five-year sentence. Right. But there was also another one, seditious conspiracy, which is they're saying that, like, the Prov Boys Oath Keepers,

we were planning in the, you know, the woods like you were saying, with combat boots and, you know, walkie-talkies. But there was no insurrection charge. If there was a one was charged with that. If there was a plan, it was... For a limited time at McDonald's,

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Yeah. So, oh, listen, I'm going to bring up two movies here in a minute. Because I love this stuff. But in the movies, they were much better at this than you guys. Yeah, yeah. So what did you do at once you guys got to the Capitol? What did you do? You just walked in to see what's going on?

Yeah, because most people are walking around like this. I've never been to the Capitol. I've been to D.C. before, but I've never been inside the capital, even around the capital. So I just walked around. I was looking around, you know, like just at everything. I had never been there. I didn't know where I was going. I had no direction.

There's, you know, there was, think, 800 people in there or something like that. So I'm just following other people, talking, talking to people, seeing people I know. I'm like, oh, what's up, dude, you know? I didn't run in college. I didn't break anything. I didn't attack any police officers. The DOJ during my sentencing earlier this month, I was in D.C., they said that I was a physical with a police officer. So the judge was like, let me see the video.

you know what physical meant that a I like brushed arms with a police officer basically that not in purpose like I'm like walking by walking by and we brushed arms that's the kind of little things that the DOJ day the DOJ does to exaggerate and make it seem like there's some violent person so all over the news they're saying at some point Nathan was physical old police officers well so you make me look bad but the actual thing was me like rubbing rubbing my arm against police officer right on accident no intent to hurt this person so And I don't know what's going with that. No, no.

I was going, and that's exactly where I'm going. It's like, so you, you walked in, what did you, where did you go in, in the building? I don't even remember. What is the name of the building? What am I thinking? It's the capital, right? It's the capital. Yeah.

The Senate chambers, the Congress. Right. I don't know where I was. I don't know, I don't know the direction that I went. I was walking through the hallways, walking past offices and stuff. I had no idea where I was going. By the time that you got there, were there people like guarding the doors or was it pretty much just like, hey.

No, there were cops standing by the doors. They were doing like, there were cops standing by the doors and they were doing like a semi, you know, every, everyone get out. Everyone needs to get out. You know, everyone needs to get out. But it wasn't like there's, you know, there were riot cops standing. Eventually, after like maybe a half hour, a bunch of riot cops came out and they were trying to push everyone out. That's when they started getting physical and using their shields to push everyone out. But initially, I saw cops like in a hall.

I was talking to cops in Hallways. They were just standing there where people were just discussing talking about, you know, how messed up the election was, things like that. I didn't, in the Capitol, I didn't see one police officer attacked or hit or anything. It was just like cops kind of knew, all right, it's kind of out of control now, but there's nothing we can do. Let's just wait until this is over. So yeah, it was much more peaceful than they're trying to make it, make it appear. So what, well, I mean, you're saying like you didn't have an actual, you guys didn't have an actual conversation. What do you think that it's so, it's so, you know, I hate to say it.

Do you ever hear George, George Carlson? Carlin, Carlin, George Carlin? I think it's George Carlin. Where he explains, he's like, you know, you don't, in order for there to be a conspiracy, you don't have to have a formal consensus, right? Yeah. As long as all of your goals are in line with one another, right? So we don't have to get together and have a conversation, as long as all of our goals

are this. And I think that that's kind of the consensus of the government as far as conspiracies are concerned. But even within your group, you didn't have a conversation. No. You know what I'm saying? I was separated from my group. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Were you with your dad? Yeah, my dad was there, but we got separated. So I walked in, I got in, and they were still outside. So I went in. They went in through open doors. There's a video of it. They just literally walked in through open doors. and there was no consensus.

It was just unfolding so rapidly. We didn't really know what was going on. I was just like, oh, my God. Like, this is crazy. Like, I'm in the capital right now. And there was no consensus or plan to do it. The government, like you said, has this idea that everyone had the idea to go in there and stop the election of Joe Biden.

Right. Are you? By that point, it had already happened. Yeah, I think it was, this was like 214 or something, that the initial breach. And they did it at like noon. Right. He, he, um, uh, the vice president had already, I think it's certified the election, right? Is what it's called. Like, and I guess Trump was hoping that he wouldn't certify it. But, you know, you're being presented with, you're being presented with documents that appear to be perfectly legit, regardless of whether they are or not or it comes out later. This is what seems legit. These are these senators have signed off on this or their governor, whatever is. Everybody's signed off that's supposed to sign off. Like, I'm not sure what he was supposed to do. You know, you may have a different opinion. You know, you may have a different opinion. You. You know,

but I'm not sure, like, if my job entails that I have to make sure that all of these are certified and signed by the proper people and they are, well, then if that happens, then I have to say that this is the result of the election, then that's what I have to do. You know, that's it. And I don't think, at least I can speak from my group, but I can speak probably a lot of people. No one had the intention of going there to stop Mike Pence from certifying the election. Right. First of all, I didn't even know they were doing that or had done that right then and there.

I didn't know what time they were doing that, right? And I knew that it's impossible to stop that. You're not, what do they, do we did, or is the DOJ? I know they're not under, I'm just a rhetorical question. Do they think that we're that stupid that we are going to occupy the capital, take over the government for the next four years until we bring Trump back? That's a ridiculous notion. That's what they pushed.

And like you said earlier, if we plan to do this, it was poorly executed, but if we if we really did, it would have been way worse. It had been way worse. It was a real plan to do it. And the government would have intervened before it. happened. Yeah, but not just that, you know, let's face it. If you're, if you're, if this is part of the plan, I'm bringing weapons. Exactly. Exactly. I'm not going to, exactly. Exactly. This isn't going to, I'm not going to, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, I don't

see anybody pulling weapons or doing anything like that. Yeah. Yeah. One of my good friends was, he's on, he's on video walking around with a beer and a cigarette. Right. Like, really, you're taking over the Capitol with a beer and a cigarette. I mean, it looks cool, but come. Yeah. Oh, yeah, There are guys that are live streaming. There are guys that are doing everything. The one guy comes with the horns and sits down and everything. Like, stop it. That's not how you're taking over the capital.

Like that was, it's an iconic look. It's an iconic look. Yeah, listen, it's a great photo off, but it's not. Listen, for one thing, if you were going to have that meeting and this guy said, yeah, this is what I'm wearing tomorrow, it would be like, no, you're not. We're sending you home. Yeah. Go change, come back. This is not a look we want to go with.

You've got his shirt off. His face painted or whatever it was, yeah. But I was just said, did you see the movie? Oh, God, come on. Civil War. Civil War. Obviously, you didn't see it. I already know you didn't see it because if you'd seen it, you'd been like, yes.

Yeah, but I'm thinking, I know there's a Marvel movie called Civil War. No, this is, this is, are you serious? How old is this movie? It just came out? Yes. It was. Can I look this up? Yes.

Let me look this up real quick. You didn't see it. I'm telling you right. I know you didn't see it. I don't know. If it came out last year, I didn't see it. No. The overall premise is that, and this is how it's like so, it's so convoluted, which bothers

me, it's so, like, this is obviously this is a year ago, right? This is before the election. And this is when everybody, we did a video called talking about a potential civil war, which got, did you ask them to review that? I got to watch them. I want to watch them so I can tell our lady this part, you know, whatever. It's a great, because we could repost that at some point, me. Oh, all right.

I don't think. I'll leave this question in here because I think people watching, I see, I feel like if they see a repost, they'll, you know. They get upset. Yeah, they're like, bro, what's going on? But it was, it got limited, you don't know anything about YouTube, probably, but. Not really, no. So we have videos that get fully monetized, and we have some. to get limited monetization, which is basically, might as well, we typically say demonetized.

Okay. Because you get, if you were going to make a dollar, you're now making like 15 cents. So it's basically useless. That video, because we talked about a potential civil war, it got, it got demonetized. It got limited monetization. And there was nothing in that video. Like this conversation right here, this about it, depending on what magic Colby does, there's probably 50% chance this thing gets,

we've already mentioned some horrible things that you two doesn't want anything to do with or talk even just like this episode here, a 50% chance. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Even though he'll, sorry, Kobe will go in and beep out all kinds of stuff

and he'll do all kinds of stuff. But in that movie, what happens and listen to the premise of the movie. Is it California and Texas? And I want to say maybe Florida? I forget. break off and they they try and separate from the United States. Can you imagine California and Texas decide they're going to form their own country?

Florida, Texas, but not California. Oh, yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, that's that, that I get. Yeah. And I figure they called what they called their thing. They want to separate. There's a president in, but you don't know, he's, and he's serving his third term. See what I'm saying?

So they're trying to do a whole. There's some parallels they're trying to draw here. Yes. And so what happens is, obviously, the California, Texas thing, they break off, well, there's a civil war, and they're, they've, they've been winning, and they're actually entering the capital. And so I would say out of the budget of the movie, which I think is pretty good. I think I want to say it's like 40 or 50 million, because I remember thinking, this is, let's say 80% of the movie is just not great, right? I mean, not that it's not great. It's okay.

It's just not what you expect. Like, I'm expecting a lot more battle. It's not. There's some little skirmishes here and there in towns and stuff. But when they get to the Capitol where these guys are coming in the Capitol, it's a great movie. Like, it becomes really good. I have to watch it.

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You just, you have no, but, but it's interesting what's happening, how people reacting in small towns. And one of the scenes is these people stumble into a small town where they get grabbed hold of by a national guard. unit or something and apparently there's a there's a fraction of them who have essentially they're they've dug a huge ditch and it's filled with bodies like they're just cleaning house and of course it's a bunch of white guys doing this horrific thing because you know it can't be the reverse yeah of course not yeah so um so that's what's acceptable and of course they execute a one or two guys

at that during that time and uh that is it's a that's a kind of a troubling scene uh but the The movie overall, it's interesting. It could have been probably great if they had really made the distinctions, you know what I mean? But they didn't want to take that on. That's one movie. It's kind of implied, though. If all the white guys are doing the bad stuff, it's kind of implied. Yeah, well, you have to.

But you, I don't know, you joke, but you don't, here's the problem. You don't know which, which, who that is, though. You don't know is that the Texas California's coming in or is that the American military. That's the whole thing. When you get there, you don't know. All right. So I'll watch it, and then I'll try to formulate an opinion on. Yeah, it's pretty good.

I go to shave probably 15 minutes off the movie, and it could have been, there could have been some better stuff. But yeah, it was pretty good. That was one movie, and I can't remember what the other movie was. But either way, these were well formulated. I think the other one is, you ever see, come on, Matt. It's called Handmaid's Tale. No, I've seen the clips of it where these women are dressed in, like, red, like,

Red dresses and stuff. Are you serious? What do you do? I don't watch movies that much. I don't watch movies that much. First of all, it's a- I have a toddler. It's a series.

It's not a movie. It's a series. And it is a phenomenal series. It's on Hulu, which nobody has. It probably would be out of business by the end of this podcast. But the point is,

is that it's a great series. And what happens is, and I love that they base it all on things current events, where it's basically like, because this is really happening. I'm sure you've heard this that, you know, male testosterone is dropping dramatically over the last 50 years, right?

Like we're, and we're not producing kids as much. We're not like, there's all kinds of things. And it's funny because if you ever watch like scientists and stuff, you always hear about how overpopulation. The truth is, we've got about another 10 years of expansion, maybe 20, and then our population is going to start taking a complete nosedive. Right. Just statistically.

So the whole, oh, we're going to use up our resources. No, no. We're going to have, in 50 years, we're going to have a major fucking problem in in not just this country, everywhere, because other countries are already starting to shrink. So, but what they say is, look, that basically women stop being able to have children. This is what the show is about.

This is what the show is about. And that's what sparks. The United States, there is a coup, a military coup in the United States. They take over and they start going through systematic, and they drop back to a very, very radicalized Christian fundamentalists that pull things from the Old Testament and they come up with this religion that sweeps the country and they execute tons of people. People are fleeing to Canada,

believe it or not. So they're fleeing to Canada and, of course, most people don't flee at all because they get caught here. Right. But they end up breaking it the whole society into you know, women make up three different, there's like three classes of women, there's men, there are certain families that have, that are part of like this group that's running the whole thing. And it, women can't learn to read and write, like it's a whole thing. And the women that can still have children become handmaids. So if you're a member of the government and you have a wife that you love and you're a prominent member of the government, then you get to have a handmade. And you get to get her pregnant, the old-fashioned way. And she has babies for you. And then

she has a baby and goes to another family. And that's how they're having children. Now, most of the world is disgusted by what's happening. But after a few years, they come to grips with our population. Like Mexico comes and they're like, how are you, why are you willing to deal with the American or this, whatever, I forget the name of the country? Well, why are you dealing that? They're like, we haven't had a child born in our country in 15 years. Wow. We're devastated. So, but it's all about being a handmade and the whole thing.

And listen, it's super interesting. But the whole thing. I think my wife has watched it all, bro. I've seen clips of it, yeah. But it's how they take over. It talks about how they take over and that sort of thing. And let's decide. Great movie.

Anyway. You might hate it. I've seen a lot of, I love it. I mean, leftist women online complaining about it. Like, oh my God, Trump is going to turn everything into the handmade's tale. It's so ridiculous. I love that. Like, because that's what he did last time.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. All right, so let's get back to this. I'm sure Colby's going to be like, this motherfucker all over the place. So you come in, you walk around, you have an unguided tour of the Capitol. What happens? At what point do you ever get arrested or do you just go home?

No, we went home after that. Once we realize that there's a bunch of riot cops surrounding us, we're like, all right, we'll leave. I'm not interested in. Yeah, so we walked out on our own and we walked back to our. our hotel and went to the airport. Did you break anything? No. Did you take anything?

There's some nice paintings. Didn't take it, didn't break it. And we just went back to hotel. We actually went to Applebee's after that. Had a couple brews and then went back to hotel and then went home the next day. That was basically what I'm telling you is basically the full extent of what happened, at least from my group. I mean, are you at, at, are you, when you go into the capital? you're not are you thinking anything i'm in awe at that point i'm like oh my god this is like historic

like there's a there's a protest inside the capital a part of this like it's just so crazy it's so cool are you know i was just looking around like looking at the the statues and the paintings and you know it was just history i'm like this is really cool do you have any conversations with your buddies like yeah they're they're they're going to re-certify it or this not there nothing about that zero about that before during after zero conversations about any kind of interruption in the election. It's just like, hey, this is just insanity. I can't believe that this just happened.

Yeah, that's exactly what it was. You go to Applebee's, you have some chicken fajitas. Motsaral sticks. No. Mozrella sticks and beer. And then you guys, what, you drive all the way back to Florida? No, we drove to. I think our flight was out of Virginia or Baltimore or something.

I was, what about there? I don't know why I pictured a convoy. No, yeah, like Humveys or blacked-out SUVs. Or some Toyotas with the, the Hillocks, the Toyota Hillocks, yeah, with a little machine in the back, the 50-Cal. So you fly back. We flew back. We were nervous, like, going back to the airport and even going back to the hotel, we're like, oh, man, we're nervous. Because we're hearing people already getting arrested, like at the airport and stuff.

People were getting picked up already. So we're like, oh, man, this is, we're going to get arrested. So it was a little scary at first. But, I mean, that was basically it. We flew back. Well, I mean, I'm assuming you didn't get a letter in the mail asking for you to stop by the FBI office. No, no. I, months went by.

I was always kind of nervous about it, like, oh, man, maybe I'm going to get caught. But I had a mask on the whole time, like, maybe I'm not, you know? And months went by and. So you feel like you've done something wrong. If you're feeling like that, you feel like that. Well, listen, my opinion, I did nothing wrong. Right. I walked in, it was a protest, certain points, got out of hand, certain people did things

that I wouldn't have done, but it was not, I didn't do it, I didn't hurt anyone, I was just walking around in a building that I've paid for with my tax dollars for all my adult life. The reason why I was nervous is because everyone was getting picked up. So I'm like, man, I'm going to get picked up for this, you know, I'm, I was nervous not because I felt like I was ashamed of it, but because, you know, what if I lose my job, you know, what if I go to jail for, you know, this many years? So I was nervous about that. So July, I think it was July 15th, 2021, I'm going to work.

I get out of my vehicle. I have my lunch in my hand, my briefcase, and I'm walking into the office right before I get to the doors, like 30, 30 unmarks pull up. They all get out in their gear. They get me on the ground in the parking lot. And my entire staff was watching. Other offices were watching. Like it was just a big fiasco.

You had the, you had the FBI there. You had, I think the marshals were there. You had, uh, FHP, a bunch of different, uh, other or city city police officers. And so I got arrested and I'm talking to them like, why did you guys do this at my job? I was this intentional? And they're like,

I don't know. It's because you have history as law enforcement. So we know you have guns. I was like, you could have surrounded my house and called me to, hey, come outside. And I would have surrendered immediately. So you didn't have to do this.

But they insist. That's what it was. It was purely for safety. So yeah, I got arrested. They took me back to the FBI office in Maitland, which is near Orlando. Tried to smooth me over. Like, man, you know,

you're a really good shape. Talk to us about what you do for your diet and workouts. And I was like, yeah, that's what I said. I was like, I look. I said, if you're legitimately interested, I'll tell you. I was like, but if you're trying to do this, like, try to get me to interview with you, just be nice to me. I said, it's not going to work. They're like, no, we're interested.

So I'd be BS with them for like 15 minutes. Then they're like, I'll ask you a question about January 6th. I was like, nope. I said, we're done. Stick me to jail. It's like, all right, they took me to the federal jail in Orlando. I spent maybe like 10 hours in there. No big deal.

Did they give you, I mean, they initially appoint you a public defender? Yeah, initially the first day, yeah. And then I hired an attorney after that. What are the public defender say? Just don't say anything. Just be quiet. You're going to have a bunch of media outside. Don't say anything to them.

Just let me do all the talking. And you just, when you get out, walk to your car, get a ride, and go home. That's what I did. I regret it now. I wish I would have been like mean outside, but I wasn't. You're like, don't say, I'd be telling a lawyer, don't say anything. They disappointed you to me. God knows what you're going to say.

Yeah, well, he was cool. No, they did what he had to do. They're usually pretty good. The federal defenders. So then you go out and get a regular attorney? Yeah, a regular attorney. And he was involved already with other J-Sixers. So I got him.

What's he saying? They were both on our side. Like, this is total BS. Like, this is totally being exaggerated. If this was a leftist protest, it would have been just like a trespassing charge that you pay a certain fine, that's it, boom, you're done. But they're overdoing this

because it was related to Trump and because it was right-wingers. There's a political bias, especially in D.C. D.C. is all leftist. They were on our side and saying, you know, it was kind of grim at first. Like, they're like, you know,

you're going to get some prison time probably and it's probably going to be, you know, in the area of, you know, two to five years. So I was preparing myself mentally for it that I was going to go to prison. But I didn't think Trump was going to win the election. I'm going to be honest with you. Are you serious?

I didn't think he was. I mean, fairly, if it was fair, yes, but I thought they were going to pull a little bait and switch and Harris was going to win. So I was not optimistic about, I was going to jail. Like, I had to turn myself in March. So I knew I was going to jail, but my boy Trump came through. You say, how, how bad does this chick have to feel, honestly? I mean, think about it. Like, first of all, I don't even understand.

Who Harris? Harris. Like, I don't even understand the numbers. because if you do the numbers, like more people voted four years ago? Yeah, 15 million more. Yeah, that doesn't even, like the numbers don't even make sense. Like, first of all, there were more Democrats 15 years old?

Like, did they shift? And then if you said it or they just stayed home. Maybe they just stayed home. I think you're talking about this. There's a chart that I've seen online. It's like from Bush times. It's like 63 million. and then it goes to Obama, and it's like, you know, $68 million.

And then it goes to Obama again, $67 million. Then it goes to Trump, $60-something million. Then it goes to Biden. It's like $85 million. Yeah. Then back down to Kamala, $65 million. So it's like straight line almost for the last 20 years. And then Joe Biden, $15 million more, and then they just disappear.

Well, it's not even a straight line. It's that more and more people, in general, more and more people vote every single year. But in this election, it dropped. Yeah. How is that possible? Like that doesn't... My millions, 15 million is not possible. So, so that, to me, that statistic helps the idea of ballot stuffing, you know, and a rigged election.

But regardless, that's irrelevant. Yeah. Like, it's, it's, that's not going to be readdressed by anybody. So... And that's not the reason why I went to D.C. Right. Right. And I went there.

I personally believe there were some... I'm not going to say it was, I mean, I believe that it was stolen. But let's just say... I'll say that there were circumstances like that and evidence that is things that are not questions that have not been answered and everyone refused to answer them weird things like that but I didn't go to DC on January 6th to protest that okay I went there to defend the people who were walking back to their cars and got caught up in a protest and then I got upset and then I started protesting because people were getting shot at and like these are peaceful people getting shot at with paintballs and stuff so anyway I digress go ahead yeah well um no I mean I see that I I just think so so you so once you get the lawyer you got out on what bond signature bond yeah or i know yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean they give you they say it's like 50 000 but you basically sign and walk out yeah yeah yeah so um you get the lawyer lawyer saying you're going to do some time um do you feel like you should have done it you don't feel like you should nothing i'm sorry

you feel like you should have done some time you're feeling like no i don't feel like i don't Like, I did anything. No. Okay. I walk through some open doors, walk through the place. Exactly. Maybe somebody else was breaking windows and stuff. I'm just walking around.

If the DOJ had been fair to begin with, because you've seen these leftists burn down these cities and they'll get a slap on the wrist, six months probation. You threw a Maltov cocktail in a Starbucks, six months probation. Yeah, come on. Or, you know, you threw a rock, a brick at a cop. Or we're going to give you three months incarceration and one year probation. I've seen, I've had a list of it stacked up because I was trying to, you know, create this evidence that it's a political bias.

Right. you know, prosecutorial bias. And I've seen this for years for like the last like eight years that antifun all them were doing. They were getting these baby sentences. And if the DOJ had been fair with me from the beginning and says, we're going to charge you with trespassing, we're going to offer you three months incarceration and, you know, two years probation, I'd have been like, all right, cool, you got me fair.

I'll take it. I wouldn't have been, I wouldn't have complained about it. Do you have guys going to prison for 22 years? Like Enrique Tario, he was sentenced. to 22 years, and he wasn't even there. 17 years for this, guys who just walked in, walked out yet, like women who are in their 70s with cancer, we're going to give them eight months incarceration, five years probation. Come on, dude.

It's totally overblown. The judges were in on it because they were chastising people, you know, hopefully you make better decisions and this and that and this. So it was overblown. That's why I feel like I shouldn't have been any time. If they were fair with me at first, I would have been like, cool, let's do it. I'm totally agree to it. But after that, I'm like, no.

Screw them. What'd they come to you with? Initially seven years. So seven years initially, that was like two years ago. They offered me that. I said no. I'm like, I'm not going to take seven years. I'm not going to stay away from my kid for seven years.

He's not going to even know who I am by the time I get out. And then I, like a year later, July, they dropped that big charge, the 1512. They dropped that. So now the guidelines went down. So it wasn't seven years. They said, we're going to give you up to 24 months. So I said, okay, I'll take that. So we went to sentencing January 8th, and they asked for 24 months.

The judge gave me 14 months and I had to turn myself in March. I was cool with that. I was cool with that. I said, I'll do that. That's a slap on the wrist, basically. It's, you know, compared to what everybody else is getting. Yeah, I can eat that 14 months. But Trump came through.

So, wait a minute, that was in March. You were sentenced. I was sentenced in January. And I had to turn myself in this March. Oh, this March? Yeah, I was sentenced a couple weeks ago. Oh, I didn't realize that. I thought you were saying, you did say last July or whatever.

July, they dropped the big charge of the Supreme Court. September, I pled guilty because they changed the plea deal after that because, oh, they don't have the big charge anymore. September changed the plea deal. I accepted it. January 8th was my sentencing a couple weeks ago. And March 8th, I had to turn myself in for 14 months. And Coleman. I was going to go to Coleman.

Yeah. I was going to go to, what, Coleman low? or the low yeah they would i think he said coleman low which i was prepared to do i had a bunch of friends in there i was like that's going to be easy man 14 months is easy you you went to high school right yeah same thing oh well that sounds it's not like it's like a it's like a tough high school yeah you know that's um yeah it's not it's not bad you know there's not it's not bad you know there's fist fights and guys talk about each other and it's just all bullshit yeah um it's not like going to the pin uh uh yeah you would have gone there and been like you know guys

to be like, yeah, I had friends there. I was talking to them. I'm like, yeah, well, I guess we're going to. And some of my other friends were getting sent in or sent there, too. So I'm like, this is going to be really fun. Yeah. So what happened when, I mean, did, so you didn't think that Trump was going to win? I did not.

I did not. On November, I did not. I was stressed about it. Like, man, I'm going to have to go to prison. This sucks. At the time, I didn't know what I was going to get. I knew it was going to be up to two years. This is going to suck.

I don't want to go to prison. But Trump won. I could not believe. believe it. I got hammered. I think I drank until like 6 a.m. and I just passed out and like so happy. So, I mean, did you, and he had said he was going to, he was going to pardon all the January Sixers. He, he, he, I don't think he ever said those words specifically, but he always alluded to, you know, I'm, I'm inclined to pardon them. Let me look at the cases. He never explicitly said it. So I was kind of like, man, maybe he's just like trying to, you know, not piss off, you know,

the moderates but also not not piss off the people who support him right so i was always like man maybe he's going to do it a couple months in or you know before he leaves you know the presidency but man day one dude i can't believe i can't believe it um yeah how'd you uh find out like i was watching it live dude i was watching it live and uh i sat there all day watching it i was you know drinking a beer watching it all day and once it came i think it was like seven or eight o'clock that he signed the pardon for 1,500 people. I was like, oh, dude, past the bottle, man. I was so excited, man.

Did you get a letter or anything? Not yet. I had to apply for the actual documents a couple days ago. They sent me an email for it. So I had to apply for it. But as of now, the pardon is real. Like, it exists. He signed it.

But I'm still like, it's processing right now. Yeah, yeah. So I'm not out of the woods technically. I like to have a copy. Yeah. You might want to get that framed. Yeah. I'm going to blow it up.

Yeah, I'm going to blow it up, you know, I'm going to blow it up fusion, and frame it on my wall. Did you? So I have a question. Once you got, you sign out, I'm sorry, you bond out and you, you lost your job, right? That one, I didn't lose the job. I didn't lose it.

I talked to my boss and he's like, it's like, fuck them. Like, you know, like, no, I'm not firing you. So I didn't lose my job. But once I pled guilty and I became a felon, I had to quit because I couldn't be hired. I couldn't have a license through the state. So I resigned because I, you know, I was going to. get fired anyway well this is only a few months ago september yeah okay um and okay so well so what did you do from there what were we i mean you know i just my my buddy uh you know through friends

i had side work so okay i've been i've been doing okay are you thinking about going back to that employer um like you've resigned it's not his fault like he didn't he was yeah kept john that whole time yeah they they want me back um but i'm not sure what i'm gonna do yet i don't know what what uh career decision i want to pursue but uh we'll see because i'm just happy to be done with this i was going to say like i was in when obama um did the uh uh he signed a bunch of um they weren't they weren't pardons they were uh clemencies right yeah where he gave a bunch you know these guys would get letters in the mail you know some their lawyers were getting notified they know they knew beforehand but they would get a letter in the mail and stuff like that they actually get they're they're like

they'd be walking around the like I got this in the mail you know yeah um yeah I was gonna say they kind of fuck that up the first bunch that they did they just let them out and these guys are coming right back to prison like this guy's been locked up 15 years you just let them out you can't do that so then the second wave they came back they said no no you have to go from the pen where you've been for 15 years you can just let you out into society I can't just let a rabid dog yeah into a playground you know what I'm saying so then they had them go they would actually bring them from here they'd go to to the medium for six months, then they'd go to the low for six months.

And some of them, they said, you've got to pass ARDAP first, which is a drug program. And then they let them out. And those guys had a much easier time. Someone would go to. Yeah, you can't just let some guy who's been, you know, fighting for his life for 15 or 20 years, especially some guy who shouldn't have been locked up at all and let him into, you know, back among the civilized people. But yeah, yeah, you got to get that letter.

Yeah, I sent an email to the DOJ. I'm waiting on it. So when you, after that, here's what I'm wondering, after you did the, or got let, got out and you're still at work, did you, like, why didn't you? And this may seem ridiculous. And maybe you did this. I don't know. I don't think so, though. Why didn't you start like a YouTube channel or TikTok or something? Like some of these guys have done that. Right. The reason, well, the reason why I didn't do that is because I was working there still and I didn't, even though my job, that particular office wasn't going to fire me. It was, I don't, I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. Let me say this correctly. We're still under a certain company, and that company, I never wanted them to find out because I didn't want, I don't want to be fired. So that's why I tried to lay low. I deleted social media and all that because I didn't want my name to get out there because as soon as I got arrested, the next day I had people emailing my job. Like, oh my God, you have, I don't even know how they found my email, my work email.

They're like, you hire January 6th, there's a violent terrorist, and I got a bunch of emails and my boss is getting emails. And I'm like it. So that's why I want to lay low. I want to take heat off my job. And I did successfully for years. Right. So that's the reason why. Maybe I will now.

Who knows? Yeah. I was going to say, we got. I would say just to kind of follow up on that. Like, what would you say? Because I'm sure this video will probably have some. Like people that come to the comment section are like, this guy's a piece of shit. Yeah.

You've seen the comments on the last one. Yeah. I saw a comment on another video. So I know they'll probably be here. It's like, what would you say to, you know, those people? I don't care. I really don't care what you think. If you're mad at me, you can go fuck yourself.

Sorry. Yeah, I, you know, the problem is, is that the comment section, there are already people that have made their minds up. And it doesn't matter if you explain the situation to them. They've decided that you're a scumbag. I mean, look, I did 13 years in prison. You know what I'm saying? committed a ton of fucking bank fraud

and I get you know and even though out of all my victims the bulk of them are banks there's I think I have like four individual victims people that lost money like a doctor who had to pay like 12 grand

to a lawyer to because I changed his title so he had to go through the courts to change that you know and by all means you know absolutely you know it was a scumbag thing I mean to do absolutely um he didn't do anything wrong. So he certainly didn't bring it on himself. His biggest mistake was that he just happened to cross my path. Yeah. Does that make me a scumbag? Yeah, it makes me a scumbag.

You know, but I get people in the comments who will apparently watch the video and say that I stole from old people that, like they, in their mind, they've got an entire narrative that never happened. And I realized, it took me a little bit to realize, like, there's some people that you, it doesn't matter if you show them the facts and really explain the situation. to them. They've made their mind up and they've made that decision and there's nothing you can say. Absolutely. So, you know, I feel bad for those people and, you know, that's all you can, you know, that's your take on it. And there's nothing I can say to change your mind. And I'm at, I'm at, you're 100% right. I'm at the point, though, that I don't really care. Like, if you don't

like me, you're mad at me. I can care less if you are. I'm just a regular guy. I have a wife. I have a son. I was a cop for, you know, nine years. And I've been a good, a good, upstanding citizen. You know? And that, to me, was a patriotic day. And I'm not going to let people shame me into, like, you know, being reclusive and hiding and stuff. I'm not going to hide. I have nothing to hide. So, hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. By the way, I'm going to leave Nate's email address in the description box if you want to reach out to him. Also, we're going to leave our Patreon. There's a whole chunk that we left out that Colby said, I talk too much. And we're going to put that on Patreon. So please consider joining our Patreon. It's $10 a month. It helps Colby and I make videos like this. And I really appreciate you guys watching. Thank you very much.

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