Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - ATM Thief Shares His Secrets and Insane Stories

Episode Date: February 6, 2023

Insane stories from ATM thief Kristoffer Stevenson.

Well, Durham Regional Police have released dramatic footage of a pursuit of two suspects in a break and enter at a bank. They just blew the lights at Highway 2 northbound on Harwood. I'm going to switch to two here. I don't know exactly what happened, but at 12.31 in the morning, I came to, and I was laying in a field on my back. And I remember my first memory is yelling for help. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be interviewing Christopher Stevenson. He is a, I'm going to say, an ATM, I don't want to say Bandit. I'm going to say he pulled off ATM heist.

I'm going to go with Heist. So it's going to be a super cool interview. He's in, out of Canada and really interesting story. I've actually already read an article on him, and I watched a video where there was a high-speed chase. And I'll have to ask you about that. That was kind of funny. So, all right. And so check this out.

All right. So I have a question. So where were you born? Here in London, Ontario. London, Ontario. Yes. And, I mean, so mom, dad, brother, sisters. I have a half brother and sister from my dad.

and a half-sister from my mom, but I'm an only child between my mom and dad. Okay. I mean, and where, I mean, were you a good kid? Were you? I was a bit of a hellraiser, I guess, but a good person in nature, but I was just, I don't know,

I always like to kind of be bad and cause trouble and wreak havoc on people and, yeah, just have fun. Right. So, well, I mean, what? I got what's that where'd you go to school I mean did you graduate high school did you so I would yeah I graduated high school I um I was forced to go to Catholic school what up until grade eight and then when high school came I just refused my mom was pretty religious and I had that stuff all forced down my throat at an altar boy and all that type of stuff right and then

I gave up the Catholic school because I probably spent more time out in the hallway for doing stupid stuff than I ever did in the classroom and I just got sick of that so I gave up the Catholic school went to public high school and then I graduated I mean I was in and out of jail as from the age of 14 grade 9 so I did I did a lot of uh I did a lot of schooling in jail and I actually got my grade 12 in jail what did you what'd you do at 14 to go to I, me and a guy, we were going out at lunchtime on our lunch break and doing house beannies. And we ended up going to this one house and the guy was home sleeping and we're trying to get in the back door and he woke up and chased us down. And it was like, you know, lunchtime and yelling at the neighbors and they all fucking jumped on us.

And yeah, didn't end well. How much time did you get for that? I got, well, so I got out and, well, I didn't get out, sorry, I was in, and the police called my mom, and my mom had had enough, and she said, you know what, I can't control them anymore, you keep them. So then I became a crown ward, right, and they started putting me in group homes, and I wouldn't stay there, so I'd run away, and then they'd catch me and put me in another one, and I'd run away, and I actually ended up doing a robbery. how were you then 14 this is only like a couple months after a month two after or whatever right and uh so this was the end of june school was just finishing and uh they weren't letting me out anymore and i remember i got remanded into the little kid jail there until september was my next court appearance and i basically thought that was the end of the world i got to be in jail

for the whole summer right at 14 years old so yeah they locked me out Anyways, I ended up doing seven and a half months, I think, when I was 14 for my first time. Okay. But so it was, it was like a juvenile detent. Juvenile, yeah, young offender, they call it in Canada. But then as soon as you got out of there, you went right back to a group home? So once I got out of there, yeah, yeah, they wanted me to go back to another group home and I just keep running away, right? I didn't want to be there.

so i just kept running away and you know going out doing more crimes and just that sounds like boziac this guy living on yeah yeah i've watched him well basically that's just the lifestyle like who wants to be in a group home with a bunch of people that you don't know you don't like following rules on people that you don't want to listen to right you're a young kid you think you know everything in the world so you just do what you think you can do and it was a learning curve let's say that so what so what happened i mean you know did you graduate did you get locked up again oh yeah you're at you oh yeah yeah yeah i kept like i was in and out all the time and uh when i was 15 years old i ended up rob in a variety store with three other guys with we had knives and uh

i ended up getting 16 months for that what's a variety store like a convenience store yeah convenience store right and uh we did i did that and i got 16 months well how'd you get caught for that so the place that these guys that i was with they were older than me and i didn't i grew up in a family that there was no like you get certain families where crimes kind of normal for the family and you hear about stuff i grew up religious so i didn't know how to do anything and get away with it or nothing so everything was a learning curve for me so these guys we robbed the place and we were going back

to this girl's house that they knew while she fucking walked back to the variety store her and her boyfriend to supposedly check it out as soon as she saw the cops she's like oh they're at my house

so the boyfriend was nice enough he called he said yo get the hell out of there so we got out but they had the whole neighborhood surrounded and we just yeah it didn't work out well so and you got 16 months I got 16 months for that

I was 15 so that went until I was 16 and then I just kept doing all the same shit, right? Up until, so then when I was in grade 12, I was 18. Like I would do, you know, eight months here for stealing cars or this and that. And then when I was 18, I got caught for two stolen vehicles. And the lawyer that I had railroaded me pretty good. And so in Canada, it doesn't really matter if you've got a church.

So you see, you got one stolen car or five stolen cars. You're not going to get five times the amount of time because you have five of it. You'll get the same, whether it's one or five. So this lawyer, for some reason, split the charges up. And he told me I was going to get 90 days to serve on weekends, intermittent it's called, right? So I could stay in school and graduate. So I went up and the judge ended up giving me seven months.

So I had to go in and do that straight. Well, now I go back to Corks. I still have the other one to deal with. And the judge slaps me with another nine on top of the seven. So now I'm doing 16 months. And they took me up to this treatment place. I said, oh, I got an alcoholic and I got a problem, right? So they sent me up to this treatment place.

Well, that ended up just being more of a party than anything up there. And ended up doing my thing, whatever. Anyways, my mom contacted the jail. And she wanted me moved back closer to home because this way I was about seven hours away from home. And my mom wanted me to move back because she was moving to Scotland. And she wanted to spend time with me before she had left. So she got me transferred to this minimum security jail. and so anyways they transferred me back there and it was weird I've never seen a jail where you sign in there was a logbook that you sign in when you got there and I was looking at the names that had come in and I'm like there's one of my buddies I'm like this guy just get out there like no he was on the bus last week I'm like oh no so as soon as I saw that as soon as I saw him he's like Chris I got three ways we can get out of here without getting caught I'm like all right I'm in so we ended up getting screwdriver and

some tools and stuff and we took some cornfield parole a few days later and ended up stealing a truck and getting out of there and anyways when i got caught for 19 break and enters later and some stolen cars and guns and stuff i ended up doing four years altogether when i was 18 so how did you get well how did you end up getting out of the facility and jump just well it was just a minimum security probably like that old yeah yeah there was actually an old airfield base so we were just outside and they actually we were on our way to the school at on our way to school and there was no fence or nothing literally they called it cornfield parole because it was cornfields all around and we just ran off into the cornerfield and waited until night time and

then came out stole ourselves a truck to get home and that was it and then just went on a big crime spree from there right how long so what how did you get caught that time i uh i got caught up in Muscoca, which is a big cottage area up here. It's all islands and stuff. And we were up there doing a bunch of breaking hunters and stealing boats and sea dews and just having fun. And somehow they knew we were up there. And they ended up bringing in all these tactical cops and everything.

And we were trapped on an island. They had come and pulled their boat away. And they were bringing cops back and forth on this island. It was about four or five hours. And then finally the fucking island just lit up. And there was SWAT everywhere. And we ended up getting arrested. And then I got, yeah, it was, I would already been doing 16 months.

And then I got another 30 months for all that stuff. And then they brought me back to the little town where the jail I'd taken off from. And they gave me another two months for the escape. So it was four years altogether. Did you, did you ever graduate high school? Yeah. Yeah, I graduated. I was probably 28 years old.

but I was in jail. I finally got all my credits and everything. Okay. And then after that, I've gone to college. I was doing a business diploma. I'd never finished it, but I've taken some college. So, so, I mean, so you graduated, you got out of jail, you went to school, you got a good job, you had a couple kids, and now you've just been living your life on the straight and arrow ever since? Um, well.

No. so let's just get to the bottom of something here right i kind of told you this before in canada we don't have a statute of limitations right and our justice system works different than your guys does right you guys get away with a lot more stuff but when they get their sink their teeth india they take a big bite yes we're here they don't get their they get their teeth india more but the bite doesn't hurt as much yeah you're been in out of jail like i don't know anybody that's a exactly right there you get a lot more forgiveness here right they don't give you as much time and you get back out and you get to do it again but you're in and out a lot more right so the criminal

record gets long and you know you're just doing your thing so anyways i haven't been caught for a lot of stuff right and like whereas you you're probably at like 98% of all the crimes you've committed you've been caught for right like like I'm probably about one percent, if not even one percent, right? Like my whole life from the age of 14 until just the last couple years, you're talking 20, 30 crimes a day, easy. Right. Right.

So, you know, you get caught for, say, 20, and you go and do a few months. Well, do the numbers. It's a very small percentage compared to what you've done constantly, right? Yeah. So we don't have a statute of limitations here. So I've kind of got to be careful as to what exactly I talk about because they can come back and hit me if I give enough information. They could come back from some 25 years ago and send me to jail for it. And that does happen up here.

Not often, but I mean, I'm sitting here openly giving information. I've spoken with lawyers. I understand hopefully what I can and can't do. Right. So, all right. So after you, so you get out. So you were, you were committing crimes periodically. Yeah.

What's the next thing that kind of happened that you can think? So when I went to, I got the four years when I was 18. Now, so Canada's justice system is you got, so you guys have state and federal. We have provincial in federal here. So provincial means you're doing two years, less a day or less. If you get two years or more, then you're in the federal system. It goes on time, not your crimes like you guys. Okay.

So that time put me into the federal system. So now I'm in the federal penitentiary, right? And everyone's like, oh, don't worry, you're going to go down there. You're 18 years old. They're just going to put you in a camp. You'll get parole right away. Yeah, no. Because I did that escape, it put me in one level below maximum security, which was a high medium, right?

So they put me in Collins Bay Institution with some pretty serious guys, right? right so I'm sitting there and there was no parole there was no nothing I got caught the night before my parole hearing fucking drunk up on moonshine and woke up in the hole the next day with my parole officer handing me clean clothes going uh here's some clothes Chris your parole hearings at half an hour right I knew I wasn't going nowhere I didn't have anything so I had to do my whole two-thirds of the four years in a high security institution with you know murderers and fucking just bad people right so i met a lot of people and i'm a pretty personal guy so guys liked me and so i learned a lot of stuff while i was there you're basically prisons like college right for criminals right that's where you go and learn everything so i had met a guy in there he's a fucking rat so i'll fucking care about his fucking name chuck you goof uh anyways he uh showed me a lot of stuff about how to do b and e's pro commercial break and editors how to open locks and spin locks and do this and do that.

So when I got out of prison after that, it was actually weird. I was downtown. I think I was going to the welfare office to get a check when I had just gotten out. And I saw him on the corner and he had remembered me from prison. And he said, hey, you're interested in working? And I said, you know what? Yeah. I said, here's my number.

Give me a call if something comes up. He's like, you know, I might need a guy. He's like, you know how to steal vehicles, right? I'm like, yeah. He says, okay, I'll get in contact with you. So anyways, he did. And we partnered up and started doing clothing stores, like in malls, breaking into malls, wherever. We had it.

At night? At night, yeah, going in and just cleaning the place out all night, right? And then I could steal the vehicle. So we'd steal cube vans to empty everything out. So we'd go in, pack it all up. And then at 5 o'clock in the morning or whatever, bring the cube van, bam, bye, bay, load it up, and you're gone. he had a guy who was a booster, a shoplifter, right? And so he would drive all over Ontario.

He had a big van, and he'd bring all these boosters with them, and they'd go out stealing. Well, he was also scoping out the stores for us to find out where everything was at. So he'd come back from these boosting trips, and then he'd send us, and we'd go and then clean all these stores out, and then he'd sell everything for us, right? so we did that for a good while and that's when my first son was born after i got out of prison and i was doing that and then uh me and another guy i had brought in a friend of mine and we were coming back from this job that we went to look at the one day and we stopped at this liquor store now a liquor store in ontario is run by the government it's not like you guys

where they sell liquor in every store right right run by the government and their special stores So anyways, we had stopped at the liquor store to grab another six-pack for the rest of the ride home. And I walk in the liquor store, grab my beer, and I come out. And I said to my buddy, I'm like, yo, go in that store. Tell me what you see. So he goes in. He comes back out. He's like, bro, that place ain't alarmed.

I'm like, no fucking shit. Right? So I, deting, deting, deting. Well, what's easier to sell than booze? Right? booze is liquid gold right right you can sell it for half price

clothing we're lucky to get a quarter on clothing right booze i'm selling it a half price all day long you can't get enough of the shit everybody wants it right so we stumbled upon that and then they started doing liquor stores well i uh i ran the wheels off of that ship for 10 years all over the province everywhere i had a i ended up getting taken down the liquor, it's the LCBO, the Liquor Control Board of Ontario. They actually put a task force to stop me

because they had had enough. And when it all went down, it went bad because I had this guy with me and he ended up fucking ratting me out. And he called me actually. He got charged. We were in the middle of doing one and he did something stupid and he got himself arrested. We hadn't even gone into the place.

All we had done was shut the, by this type. they were alarmed, okay? Yeah. We had already, so we're shutting the alarms on. So all I've done is cut the fucking wires to shut the alarm down. Well, it turned out that it had shut something down elsewhere too. So the police showed up. So he was walking through the parking lot and he had a walkie-talkie on his hip.

The police pulled in and questioned him, blah, blah, blah, blah. Anyways, they take them away. He went down to the police station and fucking puked his guts out and told him that I'd been the guy that's been doing this shit for the last 10 years and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. he got they released them obviously from the police station and he fucking calls me and i'm like yo bro fucking glad you're out he's like yeah i just want to let you know uh i said a little bit more than i should i'm like what he's like yeah i rotted you out i'm like oh right on thanks bro and anyways i didn't realize how bad he had ratted me out so i mean he

couldn't have just said the one the one thing exactly So he's like, no, this is the guy, because they hadn't, for some reason, they hadn't pieced together that I'd been responsible for a fucking 10 years of this all happening. Maybe it's because they get hit so much, so many different angles. But nobody was doing it the way I was doing it, right? Guys would fucking smash into the place and grab whatever they could, you know what I mean, quickly. I don't think many people were going in and emptying the whole place out, taking the whole night and emptying it out. But either way, it doesn't matter. It takes, it takes guts to stick around.

Yeah. Because you get in there, you know, your heartbeat, you're adrenaline, start going for you to stick around. That takes fucking, that takes walls to stick around. But I always say to people, they can't see through the fucking walls. Once I'm in there. People are scared. People get scared. I know.

I know there. Trust me. Listen, bro. I've taken a lot of people out doing scores. I know how they act when they're in there. Like, you'll fucking relax, right? They're all badasses when they're sitting in the bar talking about it. Push, time to shove.

Listen, we had this one time, our scout guy that I told you about, he went out and he found this betting store, right? And they had all high-end betting, expensive shit. Well, we don't care what it is. We'll take it. As long as it's worth money, we're stealing it, right? So three of us, we go do this betting store. Well, we had everything all packed up by like fucking midnight at the back door ready to go.

Well, we always stuck with the rule. You don't do anything to 5 o'clock in the morning. Let the traffic start flowing in the morning. and you know the cops are going to their fucking shift change right everything's good so me and my buddy we hop up there's two beds in the fucking front windows in the showroom right he hops in one bed i hop in the other we had a fucking nap the third guy's running back and forth what the fuck is wrong with you guys what are you doing blah oh bro shut the fuck up and relax man trying to relax here and yeah so we had an app that was that was an interesting one but yeah this guy so that's exactly what

you're saying right people aren't cut out to be in there doing that they're fucking nervous they think but once i'm in there and everything's shut down there ain't nobody coming yeah now there is the odd exception you know you might get a place for an employee forgot something in the office right you can't account for that that's the whole that's the fly in the ointment like you just that's the worst that's the invariable right yeah he's been known to cure insecurity just with his laugh His organ donation card lists his charisma. His smile is so contagious. Vaccines have been created for it.

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but we're in there and we had just gotten in we'd fucking come through the roof shut the alarm off everything's fucking great him and I are in the back room and we're arguing about something that's back there and he's like that's $10,000

I'm like no it's not bro it's not he's like yeah that's $10,000 I'm like it's not fuck it let's go to the showroom well look there there'd be a price on the fuck one out in the showroom we go out there and they had had, you know, the stores get those roll-down shutters. Yeah.

Right? It had the roll-down shutters on this store. Well, I fucking look up and there's three guys peeking into the fucking window. There was a live feed on the camera system in there, right? We didn't know this, obviously. So we fucking look. I'm like, oh, shit, we go flying out the back door and you can hear the cops fucking coming. We were about 10 seconds away from getting surrounded in the place.

Boom, out the back door, and we were gone. Um, hey, can you talk, get a little bit closer to your mic? Well, you're going to make me a little bit of deep throat in the fucking thing. Well, I mean, you could always say it really, you're typically what you, I'm sorry. How's that? How's that? If I turn it up? Uh, yeah, that's better. You know, typically what happens is you want to be around a fist away. That right there? Yeah, that's perfect. Like, if you can say there or closer, that's perfectly fine. All right. Sorry. Yeah, that's even, yeah. Even better. I mean, unfortunately, I'm sorry, I, you know, or you can use the one on your computer. It's just that my, my fear is that, you know, people aren't going to be able to hear you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you.

I'll just hold it like this. I was hoping to have one of those fancy ones with the whole pole and everything, but. Well, you know, your buddies. I didn't get one of those. I mean, you know, that's, I'm sorry. This is a concrete, right? No, no. If you were here, if you were here, you got them.

Yeah. Well, whatever. I'll survive. So, so, okay. Okay, so what happened? So your one buddy tell, your one buddy or rats you out and do the cop, the cops come looking for you? Well, yeah.

So anyways, they, uh, they ended up, what happened? They came and they fucking, they were looking for me. I knew that he, I was wanted. So they were looking for me. So anyways, I had this girlfriend and we had just moved to a new place. So everything was groovy. They couldn't catch me. So I, you know, I was just riding it out doing my thing.

Well, anyways, her dog ended up having a, fucking issue something and then he was the dog bit somebody or i don't know what the heck i remember what happened but the authorities got called and i fucking as soon as the call came in and they ran her name i said this is going to fucking end bad real quick well sure enough about 15 minutes later fucking surrounded right so anyways they charged me they had to release me on bail because by this time everybody had gone to him and be like oh bro you can't do this you got to you got to take your statement back right you can't fucking do this you can't do this this. So he went back and rescinded his thing. So they released me on bail while whatever

was going to happen, happen. By this point, I don't know that this whole task force thing is going on. So I'm still going about my business, but you know, I got a curfew and I'm stuck at home, blah, blah, blah. I won't get into details, but shit's going on either way, right? well shit's going on a little too much fucking heat's getting bad so I just go on the run of course in Canada at the end of the day this is just a simple B&E commercial B&E this isn't a house B&E where people's lives are in danger yeah commercial breaking it's not as serious on the spectrum it's not that bad so I'm like you know there's only so much they can do well I'm getting phone calls from my mom my friends

And the fucking cops are showing up with warrants to their houses harassing them and fucking searching them. I'm like, how is this happening? How are they afford to fucking send these fucking retards chasing me, me all day, right? So anyways, it was about nine months later I got caught and I'm like, I've been waiting to fucking talk to this cop. I want to, I want the lowdown. Like what the fuck is going on? Where did this come from? Right.

So I finally got to sit down with them And I was sitting in the jail And I remember it was morning time And somebody had come into the jail And there was a bunch of ecstasy Well, don't I fucking do retard I take an ecstasy about 9.30 in the morning Well, about 10.15, I get,

Stevenson, you got to visit. Well, in jail, there's no visits in the morning For your family. It's afternoon and nighttime. time. So I know it's a professional visit. It's the cops. I'm like, fuck. And I'm just starting to work a trip out on ecstasy, right? So I

get down there and I'm like, listen, how the fuck does this happen? He's like, this was the LCBO that financed this. Your buddy fucking gave you up and told them that this is, you're the guy that's been doing all this and all the damage that you've done, you know,

like I did a lot of damage to their buildings and, you know, well, you cut the roof out of a building. in the middle of winter and all that snow the heat billowing out starts melting all the snow and all that water's coming in and just it was a nightmare so anyways lcbo wanted it shut down and they told the london cops they said listen put an end of this get this guy and put a stop to it so while i was on the run i was running with this other guy that i knew well i didn't know he was fucking working with the cops, too.

He wasn't giving me up, but he ratted me out because he got caught for something. Well, it turned out, while I'm sitting in jail, I'm expecting to be going to prison for four or five years. This shit's coming down. I know it's coming down, right? And I know this guy's working with them.

They've got their shit together, right? So I'm just sitting there waiting and waiting like six months. I'm calling my lawyer every soft. I'm like, what the fuck's going on here? And my lawyer, like, they're silent. They're not doing nothing. They're not doing nothing.

So finally, he comes out and he's like, Chris, he says, I got you a deal for 90 days, weekends for the stolen vehicle that I got, I originally got caught with. That's how they got me, right? Because I've already served six months, which in Canada works as nine, right? So then I'm going to get another 90 days due into weekends for a year for a stolen vehicle, right? I'm like, there's no way. Because if I get weekends, that means once I get sentenced, I go back to the jail, I get processed. and I'm going home today. I'm like,

there's no fucking way. Like, in my mind, I'm going away for a few years, right? Right. I'm like, there's no way,

Len, this isn't happening. He said, Chris, I ran a fucking check. There's no holds. There's no warrants. There's nothing.

You're going home today. I'm like, Len, this isn't making sense. No, no. So he goes, I get my weekends,

I get back to the jail, and I'm sitting there, and a couple other guys got weekends, right? And I'm sitting there. And all of a sudden, the guard calls me

to bring me back around to change me back into jail clothes. I'm like, what do you mean? I said, I'm going home. I've got weekends. Something's wrong, Chris. We're going to take you upstairs and we'll let you know what's going on. The fucking Hamilton Police, which is another town about an hour down the road, had a warrant that they had withheld, didn't put it on the system, right, so that it was in the CPIC system, right?

They held it, but had the jail hold it without doing this. This is totally illegal, right? this is a you guys got the constitution we got the charter of rights and freedoms this is fucking totally against your charter of rights and freedoms but they did it so eventually i'm sitting in myself about 1130 at night the fucking lieutenant comes and gets me and he's just shaking his head he's like chris i've never seen this in my life he's like i'm sorry i don't know what to say to you but you're getting fucked here right i said what he says you've got a warrant and their hamilton's coming to take you there i'm like for what they're like a shoplifting charge i went shoplifting

I'm fucking shoplift, right? So anyways, they take me back there. I go, they deny me bail, right? So now I've got to sit there and wait. So I said to my lawyer, I'm like, listen, there's no way that I did this. I don't shoplift. So he's like, okay, well, let me go and watch. They said they got you on video.

And your friend, my best friend in the world at the time, had ratted me out. I'm like, there's no way my buddy ratted me out. There's no way that I'm on camera. I didn't shoplift, nothing. So my lawyer, go. and watches the video, right? And he's like, you're right. It's not you.

And your buddy didn't rat you out. Your buddy said, Chris's friend sold him the stuff. Not Chris. Well, that's a big difference. But they used that against me to hold me in. And they forced me to plead guilty. Because if I didn't plead guilty to that, I pled guilty and they released me that day, right there.

If I didn't, I would have had to sit there for a year and wait for a trial to prove that it wasn't me to get in front of a judge to prove that that wasn't me in court the crown would not drop the fucking charge the crown in canada is the prosecutor yeah yeah crown attorney right so that's like it's extortion justice in this country they extort you to plead guilty that's all they want here is the conviction let's say bro they don't care about putting you in jail it's the same thing here yeah yeah well you for you guys well i mean here it's a financial thing too right but they don't make the money like you your jails are all private down there so it's just a serious business right where here it's not so much like that

like it's all government but it's still you're still keeping the police employed the crown the probation officers like the economy economy would just fucking deplete if you took crime away right it would kill the economy yeah you're still committing crime though you still got to do something well yeah yeah for sure so can't just say app let's scrap the system let these guys go wild Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, of course, of course. So what happened then? What happened? So I got out, and obviously I couldn't break into a liquor store anymore because that would probably have not been such a good idea.

They're on to you? Yeah, they're kind of on to me. So I have to come up with another plan. So, I don't know, I always kind of resorted to what I know. I'm a burglar, right? I break into shit. And so I floated around for a while and then I ran into a guy and I guess I'd always kind of heard of these people who break into the bank machines, right?

There was a crew here in my city that had been pretty prolific at it and it was many years before this at this time. And it always talked about it. You've always heard all this stuff, right? So it was always in the back of my mind. I got to check this out. I've got to check this out. Who was that?

What's that? Who was that? Was that Gerald Blanchard? Have you ever heard that name? Gerald Blanchard. No. He was in a Wired magazine. When I was locked up, I read an article about him.

And he was breaking into ATMs. Was he Canadian? Yeah. Yeah. How old was he? He was in his late 20s, early 30s. And this was probably 10 years, about 10, 15 years ago. No, Gerald Blanchard, yeah.

No, I don't think so. Now, I can't, anything that you are ever going to read or see is pretty much guaranteed. It's the little private ATM machines that people can buy and put in their variety stores or whatever. No, this was actually ATMs. He was, he was finding banks that were being, banks were being. you know, built. Remodeled. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then just before, and I guess apparently your ATM machines are on the inside, right? Like you have doors. You can't leave them outside. So he would wait till like the banks were going to, it's a new bank. It's going to be opened on Tuesday. Yeah. He was, well, the night, he would break in before that. Get the, he'd get the, the, the serial number of the ATM machine.

Uh-huh. He would contact the manufacturer and say that. He was with the bank and they'd lost their key and he'd order another key. Really? So now he's got the key to the back of the of the of the of the ATM. And he said, you know, they'll have four or six of these fucking things in a row. Yeah, well, yeah, three. And so he said what would happen is he would break in the night before, well, whatever, weeks before, really.

He would block off the sensors like, you know, the motion detectors on the inside of the blank. Because they still work. He just block off so he could drop down into the, in the bank. yeah and then he would go and so the night before they would load the machines he would go unlock the doors pull out all the all the money go back up inside and then go back out and he said you know if like the if the alarm got set off or something which I think almost never happened he said you know the cops show up they'll look in the it's still secure yeah they look around you drive around they'll sit outside for 30 45 minutes and leave yep yeah so um yeah that reminded me of your thing

is what what when you yeah well that's exactly what we're so they have the same as you guys the ones that stand alone like in the hallway of them all or the ones that are in a convenience store but those are the private ones yeah yeah when you get into the bank bank ones the only time that you'll ever read anything about that is when they catch you they will never say scosha bank machine broken into 50 000 dollars missing blah because they don't want anyone to know it's bottom losing their shit yeah right The only time that we ever got any publicity was when they arrested us, right? Right.

And then it was all blah, blah, blah, blah, we caught these guys, right? Well, how did you get on to this? You were telling, I'm sorry, I kind of interrupted. Yeah, so I didn't know these guys. And I was friends with one of them. And a specific holiday was coming up. And he's like, Chris, are you interested in doing this with me? I'm like, yeah, all right.

I'll give her a shot. So we did. We put a chain around the fucking thing, ripped it out. We got. We made, I don't know, about $33,000 or something. I was like, fuck, that was pretty good. That was quick. It was easy.

What do you mean get it wrap the chain around it? So you get a big, big thick chain. Is this a private one or a bank? No, this was a bank one, but it was in a gas station. Okay. And so we put the chain around it. It's hooked to the vehicle. Like, right, take the run out of it.

And it ripped it out. It came fucking, we stand there. I was just going to flying out of the fucking building. Land in the parking lot. We fucking loaded it up. We were gone. So I was like, wow, that's cool. That was easy.

So then that guy, he wasn't really. I'm sorry. How did you get into it? Like, did you pry it open? Like, yeah. A tracking device or anything? No, there was no GPS in it. No.

So we, well, obviously, we left it in the vehicle and put it somewhere where we could sit for a while and watch it, right? Make sure that nobody came and checked on it, right? So the next day, we took it to a shop and we took a quick cut to it, fucking cut it open and got the cases out and took the money and we're good to go.

I don't want to say how we get rid of it, but I'm just curious, okay. Right? So we did that. So I did that for, whatever, we're not going to say, right? but it happened here and there right but it was always in the back of my mind I'm like this is a lot of work

I don't want to fucking rip it out and do but what if that thing fucking hits me in the back of the head one day right I had one time we were with these two other guys and we're lifting this thing that fucking machine probably weighs about a thousand pounds it's a big safe that's with a computer on the top is what it is

right yeah so me and the two other guys we're lifting this machine into a tour well something had slipped well the edge of the fucking machine had landed on my pinky finger and just just crushed it i actually went to my family doctor i'm like something's wrong with my finger sends me for an x-ray he's like something wrong with your finger he says it's fucking crushed what did you do i'm like well i dropped something on it but you put a thousand pounds on it like it was right at the very corner so it was like a sharp edge right it just crushed my finger It literally was swelled up so fast

It just split the skin wide open So yeah But just doing that It was like This seems like a lot of work Right You know What if the machine

Something the chain snaps And something goes loose Fucking decapitate Who knows I'd rather just get into the machine Get the money out And leave their shit there I don't want the machine

Right So that was always My goal was to be able to just get the money and leave everything else behind, right? Obviously. So, yeah. You're not collecting ATN.

Exactly. You know, you can only stick so many of them over a fucking bridge into a river before they start stacking up. You know what I mean? So, yeah. Yeah, there's a couple rivers with some piles at the end of the rainbow. So, yeah.

So the next step is you're figuring Yeah, we got to figure out how to just get into these. So, okay, I got to tread lightly here. It took some time, definitely took some time. I don't know if I can give details. Maybe we'll just stick with one day. we figured it out right we mastered the plan right well there's other guys there are guys out there like there's other guys doing it but the blanchard guy like I said he actually had fucking

figured out the key you know he's got different but but here's the problem and I'll explain this to you when shit went bad for us they go on your MO right so when they arrested us I had to plead guilty to nine of them because even though we had masks on and they couldn't prove that it was us. It's called a statement of similar fact. So because that white car pulled up and two guys, the mask got out, and they had the same tool, and they did everything the same way, we can say that it's them.

Right. Even though you got a mask on and they can't prove that it's you. It's statement of similar fact is what they got. And my lawyer is, you're done. You can't fight it. It's over, right? So, what's the most you ever got out of one of these things? Um, I just want to say, I've got six digits multiple times.

Okay. I don't want to give too many specifics because, yeah, you know, but I've got six digits multiple times. but on average you're between 30 and 60 I've got a few 70s a few 80s a few 90s and six digits a few times but for the most part you're around between 30 and 50,000 dollars okay right so yeah so you're doing this periodically

I mean how are you guys hitting them like every week every um we were trying to be sporadic we didn't want to leave any trail that they could start to set something up right yeah um so i was kind of worried so we kind of jumped around from banks to banks trying different styles different ways right just testing the waters on everything certain banks were very lax on their security and other Banks got very uptight, very quick on their security and took drastic measures very quickly. Like, I can tell all you won, and it was, they only lost about $50,000 before they tightened fucking strings real quick. And there was other banks that lost millions and never did a fucking single thing to do anything about.

it they would just wait till it was done and then they'd fix the problem they would never go and do a preemptive strike to do anything to stop it right right so yeah it was it was interesting how married at this time married girlfriend god no um yeah i don't believe in marriage um girlfriend uh yeah yeah i was with uh my ex melissa and she had my two stepdaughters She have any idea of what's happening or you just come home every once in a while with a nice thick. Yeah, she, she knew, she had known me for a long time. So she knew that I was a criminal. I would never give specifics as to exactly what I'm doing for a couple of reasons.

One I don't want to be used against me later. And if she's being questioned, I don't want her to have enough information. I just want her to be able to play dumb, right? Yeah. So, yeah, she never really knew. knew, but she knew that I'm a criminal and it is what it is, you know, your buddy comes and picks you up and then you come back with a pocket full of money. What were you doing?

Were you trying to, did you start? I mean, were you thinking to yourself like, hey, this is just, this is just what I'm doing from here on out? Or do you think, yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. There was never much of an end goal because, you know, I had a lot of people that, you know, Chris, you got to, you got to save up and you got to start a business and you got to see. I'm like, that's you.

I'm not a business man. I'm a fucking thief. This is what I do. Right? So in hindsight, should I have did that? Obviously, I wouldn't be struggling like I am right now. Yeah. But you know what?

I got a lot of friends that, you know, when I was younger, I had a, I got a pretty close group of friends still from high school, some from public school that were all still good friends. And when we were younger, these guys, you know, be like, oh, Chris, you've got to learn to settle down and fucking get married and have kids and relax. You know, you're going to end up old and lonely one day. That's my best friend, old and lonely.

Well, now we're in our mid-40s and he's still with the same girl, going to the same fucking job, doing the same shit day in and day out. And I did a lot of shit in my life and had a lot of fun. I was that old and lonely? And now it's like, shut up, right? I did everything I wanted in my life. life traveling i did whatever i want i had everything so was it worth it i don't know do you want to be the guy that goes to the same job living your little white picket fence and fucking banging the

same broad the rest of your life and that's not for me i'm not that guy you know you guys got baskin robin's ice cream down there yeah yeah they got 31 flavors for a reason you don't go there and eat chocolate ice cream all the time right right right You got to experience everything. So, I don't know. I just, I guess. Law enforcement often questions him, not because he's suspected of a crime, but because they find him fascinating.

He is the most interesting man in the world. I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends. Support the channel. Join Matthew Cox's Patreon. Yeah, that life's not. for me. So it was worth it to have the puggily.

There was nothing that I could never not do, right? The only restrictions that were ever there was obviously going to the states. I'm not welcome there. So that took out some stuff. But you had the money to do everything you ever wanted. I get everything you ever wanted, right? So life was pretty good, and I did it while I was young. Right?

Or, you know, all my friends, yeah, you got lots of money now in the bank, and you're going to be fucking loaded when you're 60 years old. old, but you're too old to do anything. You're not going to enjoy it. So what, what happened? I mean, you're ultimately, I mean, you got caught. Yeah. Yeah.

So I, uh, in August of 2016, I had spent the whole summer up on my boat, living on my boat all summer. And I had come back to London one day to do something. And I was on my bike. and I was out at my buddy's farm and we were fucking drinking a couple bottles at whiskey and we were pissing around on the dirt bikes and ended up getting just hammered.

Well, I don't know, I'd come up with this bright idea that I was going to take my friend whose house I was at his wife and my best friend and his wife we were going to meet in town and I was going to grab this new girl that I was dating and take them out for dinner and introduce them. I don't know. I have no recollection of any of this, but this is what I'm told.

So it was about seven, o'clock at night and I went to leave they took my fucking shit they wouldn't let me get on my bike right they're like no we're driving you blah blah blah blah blah blah blah i'm like okay whatever they went in the house to grab his purse and keys and all that shit well i guess i had jumped jumped on my bike and fucking taken off well they tried to follow me so this is outside of the city probably about 20 minutes half for outside of town right so i take off so they tried following me and i guess i was just all over the road we've been in and out of traffic and just stupid right well they lost sight of me so i don't know exactly what happened but at 12.31 in

the morning i came to and i was laying in a field on my back and i remember my first memory is yelling for help yelling for the people that i know and then i started to kind of clue in i'm like there ain't nobody fucking coming chris you're in a goddamn field and you don't know where you are right so i took my helmet off and grab my because i always put my phone in my inside pocket so i grabbed my phone out and i turned i powered it on because it had shut off and i called my girlfriend first and she's like baby where are you i'm like i'm fucking no why did i call you you're useless right so hung out i called my buddy whose house i left and i'm like listen i said you got to come get me i said just start heading back to london on the main road i said just start

Beeping your horn. I'll let you know when I hear you. Right. So he's like, okay, he's he, him and his wife better driving around looking for me for hours, right? But I don't really know what time it is at this point. I don't know anything, right? I'm fucking engaged still. So about 15 minutes later, I hear a horn in the background coming, right? So I'm like, okay, I can fucking hear you, bro. I can hear you. I can hear you. Well, I had left the town before London and it was about a five kilometer straight away. And then there's a big sweeping turn. well I kind of made an attempt for the turn but I didn't make the turn and I come off the highway and down into a field probably down about 15 feet and the bike landed in the nose and I think my body must have came forward my knees caught the handlebars and I broke everything in both my knees and it obviously just catapulted me and flipped me and everything else and it was bad right so I was in a wheelchair for four months had to learn on a walk again and everything else and at this time we had done all these machines that whatever it doesn't matter we had to switch things up let's just say that okay so i had always heard about this specific tool that would just open them up quickly it's a torch right yeah so i had heard about this thing so i was like well you know what I'm in rough shape.

By this point, I've been, hadn't really done anything in close to like eight months to a year. At that point, you know, I always had a hundred grand kicking around for a rainy day, whatever, right? Well, I had used that up being in the wheelchair. I still got expenses coming out my ass. You know, you're not thinking like, oh, that's the end of it right here. I got to conserve. You're still living life the way you are, and you're in a wheelchair, so you're trying to probably compensate a little bit. And, you know, anyway, so shit's getting bad.

So, like Christmas time, I learned how to walk again. And we got arrested in May 4th or 5th or something like that. But in that meantime, we had got this new tool and we were practicing with it and trying to master the art of how to get in. Because you got to find the specific spot. You don't know. You're going in blind. you don't know what you're dealing with so you gotta try different shit so in my mind i'm trying to picture the inside of this door to see where the fucking weaknesses are off of what i've learned

from other machines well these ones weren't the same right the whole mechanism inside was different so i got to one and i'm playing in my mind how a safe works and how the door goes and where the pins are going to be and this and that so then the one out of these nine it fucking worked we got like $32,000, like, okay, I got it mastered. I got it figured out now. We're good. I know where everything's at. Go back out, strike out, strike out.

Well, I was with my co-cues that I was with, and there may or may not have been another person with us in another vehicle. So I have a question. Yep. You're just walking straight up to an ATM. No, no. You're going into the bank, okay? So when you go, I don't know how your guys branches are.

But in Canada, when we go walk at the front door of the bank, you could go in, there's a room to the side with the ATM machines that you can go in and access, right? Like a salad door. Yeah, and then there's a locked door that goes into the bank, right? So we got to go, we got to go in that door, into the bank, and then we've got to go to the second door that goes into the room behind the machines. and that's where the safe is for the machines that are in the wall

that you walk up to. Okay, so nobody can see you back there. Well, once you're in the bank and in that room, no one sees you. Yeah. But to get to there, yeah, people can see you, right? Okay. So we got to go through two locked doors

and then as soon as you open that second door, the alarm's on, right? So anyways, we're trying to figure this stuff out. Well, for some reason, I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings I'm just going to say for some reason we decided to

go past our rules of 5 a.m. And do it around I think it was 12.30 in the morning or something well it was a fucking Saturday night and the jurisdiction that we were in had a police helicopter

and it was just so happened that he was up in the air at that exact moment so when we went in into the bank, we had set the door, the motion on the door to go into the room, and then once we put the heat to the safe, if I could set the heat sensor off inside of the safe, right? And then there was a motion detector in that room, too. So three alarms are going off. So they know that there's somebody in the room.

It's not a false alarm on one thing. So they know. And within the last, you know, 60 days, there have been eight other attempts. And this is number nine. And this is in the greater Toronto area, which is a city. of like three million people or four million people or whatever right so they know that it's on so the fucking helicopter just went me and moved over on his little joystick and hovered over top of the bank so we come out at the bank and we're getting away we go through this subdivision i

pull up to a light and i said to my partner i'm like that's a cop right there he's like no no no relax i'm like that's a fucking cop bro we got to go no no relax so unfortunately i listened to i'm not that it would have mattered too much, but I listened to it. So I'm driving. Anyways, I got all the way up to the main highway. As soon as I got on the on ramp, I fucking floor it. Well, sure enough, the lights come on. So we get into the chase.

And by this point, I don't know that there's a helicopter on us, right? So we go on the highway and I come off the highway and I'll send you the video so you get the link so you see the full thing. But anyway, I fucking blew the cops away. We're gone, right? my partner is watching out the back window there's no cop in sight there's no one near us we're safe so I go in and go through a bunch of streets

and houses I park in a fucking laneway we get out we hop in the backyard sitting in the backyard and all of a sudden I can see the fucking lights bounces the school behind us I can see the lights from the cherries bouncing off the school behind us I'm like what the fuck man

how do they know right it must just be random well it ain't random all of a sudden I hear this noise and I look up there's a helicopter Oh fuck, I don't know how far up, but he's right above us hover and I'm like, oh dude, we're fucked It's over. We're done and so yeah, I tried to run. When you see the video, you'll see me hobble over the fence Well, Durham Regional Police have released dramatic footage of a pursuit of two suspects in a break and enter at a bank. They just blew the lights at highway to northbound on Harwood. I'm going to switch to two here. The police helicopters

night vision camera shows the dramatic chase through the streets of Whitby. Last Saturday around 1115 at night, police responded to an alarm at a Scotia Bank. The helicopter follows the suspects and then as they try to make their high-speed getaway, running red lights and blowing past other cars. Now, take a look. You can see the heat from the tires as the car makes its high-speed turns. The suspects would eventually dump the car in a driveway and then run off. police arrested one suspect

and a canine officer was able to track down the other suspect nearby. A 41-year-old man and a 51-year-old man now face a total of 21 charges. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's funny that anybody that knew me because my legs didn't really bend then. So you can see the way I was running. It was pretty

odd. They're like, oh, we know that was you. Right? So then I took me down on the ground and punched my fucking basin and arrested me and charged me with nine bank machines and high speed chase and i ended up getting three and a half years for that and you do how much time on three three and a half on five years i did uh two and a half of the three three and a half really yeah yeah so in you have in canada on well on any time you do two thirds and then

The last third is good time, basically in the provincial system, it's good time. So they could take your good time for you get into a fight or whatever. They could take that away. The federal system, it's not. It's called statutory release. At two-thirds, you're released on parole. And then you've got conditions. You've got to see a parole officer and go through all the fucking bullshit, get a job and do all that stuff, right?

Yeah. It's similar here. Like, well, not the two-thirds, but here you have to do 85% of your time. And then when you get released, they call it supervised release. Yeah. And you get, you know, like I got five years supervised release. So everybody's like, oh, you got out of prison. You're done.

No, no, you're not. That's even worse. Yeah. For me, I'd rather be in the prison than being out here. Like, if you're going to lock me up, lock me up, don't fucking sit there and tease me with it. Because I don't want to be sitting at home with a nine o'clock curfew while my friends are out having fun and getting fucked and partying and drinking and being at the

bar and having a good time. Well, I'm sitting here because guess what? I ain't sticking around. I'm coming. Right? That's just the person that I am. Right? So I don't do well on that type of stuff. But that last one, all my stuff, I've always breached a million fucking things.

I've always breached everything. I've always breached everything. But my last one, I actually, believe it or not, completed the full parole. And my parole officer, my last day, I had to go see him for the last time, and he called me a statistical anomaly. What's that? You know, Boziak?

Yeah, I know he is. Yeah. He's never, he's never successfully completed a probation ever. Yeah. He's been on it fucking four, four, five, six times. I've never been able to complete it. Yeah, no, I've never completed one without having a fuck out until this last one, parole.

My, uh, my first time when I was 18 and I got out, I went back. Well, I think I only went back on one parole violation. My second time I went to the pen, I got two years. I went back on two violations on that one. And then this one, I got none. I finally finished it because in Canada, prison just, it ain't like it used to be. Not that prison was a good place to be, but it was tolerable, right? There was good people in there.

You know, you can have fun. Basically, in prison, well, you don't need me to tell you. that you got on the street pretty much you can get in there you know you want to get drunk and have a party you can make booze get part you want to get hot you can get hot you want to get a piece of ass you can get trailers like you can work around pretty much every obstacle and get what you want right so it wasn't so bad but now the prison is just full of drug addicts losers and there's nobody to sit there and talk with and have an intelligent conversation really i mean you can find the odd guy but there's not much right yeah it's just it's a it's a whole different thing and

it's not a place that i really uh want to spend a whole a lot more time in my life so I just uh I wrote out that parole and now I'm just trying to unfortunately work for a living and pay my bills not a big fan of it but it is what it is um I'm gonna listen that guy Gerald Blanchard right yeah um uh hold on fraud I'm gonna a fraud bro i'm going to send you the wired article on him yeah i'm telling you your story was is almost like a combination of his story and boziak story like with you and being a kid in and out the facilities in and out and out and yours with the the ATMs and everything yep same kind of i mean i'm sure there's tons of stuff you where was he in canada do you know oh i mean Canada um

Like, was he in Ontario? Was he out west? Mm. I just hit the, here's the wired article. Blanger. Yeah. Listen, he's got a great story. So let me think.

Shit, I can't. You got to look it up. I don't know exactly where he was, but I'm telling you, I'm going to send it to you right now. Yeah. You're going to, you're going to, you're going to. read it and be like holy shit like you got some good stuff in there um

hold on well maybe I can put it together for the next fucking stuff but yeah the only thing is you know what he did he actually was in um I want to say

Vienna hold on I'll tell you right now he was in where was he um oh man I wish I had thought about this better i want to say i'm going to say vienna oh yeah uh i'm sorry your connection's going on weird oh sorry i think he was in venice or something not venice uh vienna anyway yeah i'll know for sure but what he did was he actually you know you know how a lot of

in europe they'll take old castles and turn them into museums jay said no it's okay you oh there we go Yeah. You know how in in Europe? They'll they'll take old castles and turn them into museums. Yep. He'd gone through a museum and realized that like it had really bad security. And so he ends up getting someone to drop him at night and he parachutes down, skydives down and lands on the roof. Nice. And he goes in the second story window and he steals what's called the cis diamond. Okay.

and it's a it's a diamond it's a massive diamond surrounded by other diamonds yep never does anything with it just keeps it keeps it because he you know he could have broken apart and sold it but but he didn't has it he just wanted to see if he could do it you know he didn't have money yep and ultimately when he gets caught by in Canada um when he gets caught he uses that to bargain his way out of being getting you could do that in Canada yeah They call it doing patches. I used to do that. I've done it three or four times, believe it or not, with stolen vehicles, right?

Because they don't like it very much, right? But I'm not there to please them. But the thing is, is in Canada, the auto theft squad for the police is financed by the insurance companies, right? They give them a lot of money to stock combat auto theft, right? Really? So when you caught for something, You're not going to really buy your way out of anything bad. But if you get such stupid little shit and, you know, you got a $100,000 car sitting somewhere.

Well, your lawyer will go to the crown and say, hey, listen, my guy wants to give you this back. You drop this. Well, we don't want to do that. No? Okay. Lawyer calls up the insurance company. Hey, my client has $100,000 worth of your stuff and the crown doesn't want to get it back for you. Oh, really?

And the fuck with insurance company forces them to fucking do it. phone calls that the fuck are we funding you for exactly they get so i read about another canadian that was making u.s money do you ever hear about that guy he was he was counterfeiting u.s money um i've heard of a few counterfeiters i think he was in g i think he might have been in gq and i read about him there's a youtube a video on youtube about him it's a short little video i think That's the kid from fucking Windsor, I believe. Was just a young kid? No.

He was old, short, fat. He was not a, not a, what, trust me, he was, he was a tubby little guy. But there was a young kid from Windsor that stumbled upon that at a young age. And he actually works for the federal government now. Well, this guy, when he got caught, he got caught and he was going to get a whole bunch of time. And the big thing they held over him was they were going to, like, he was, he was, like, he was. like he was thinking okay big deal i'll get a year or two yeah in canva i was making u.s currency well the secret service then and they said we're going to extradite you to the u.s so he turns

around he goes to the canadians you know to the crown and said listen i'll tell you where where the press is where the paper is where he had like several million dollars already made i'll give you several million but you cannot send me to the united states yeah because Because he knew they were going to give them 10 or 15 years. Oh, fuck, yeah. Yeah. Our justice systems are totally different, right? Like, they fucking hang you guys down there where we don't get that here. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, and of course, every time you get in trouble, you're going to get even more time the next time.

That's not always true, right? No, no, I'm saying here for us. Here, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Right. Like my, I was going to say my crime, so let's say for half a million dollars. The first time, if you ever get in trouble, never been in trouble, in the federal system, you could probably get six months in jail. The second time, you're probably getting three or at least three years, maybe more, maybe four. Yeah.

The third or fourth time, you're probably going to get 10, 15 years. I know a guy who'd been locked up like seven times. He's off what's called the criminal history chart. He's off the chart for $80,000 they gave him six, I think almost 20 years. yeah for 80 grand yeah it's nothing you give me 20 years for 80,000 you're like yeah but we're tired of locking you up yeah well I've seen guys up here doing you know seven eight years for a couple hundred bucks just doing stupid shit but that's violence right yeah well that yeah this was fraud yeah yeah fraud yeah but see in Canada

so for your shit it wouldn't matter whether it was a couple of million or fucking 20 million your first well I mean you get up that high you would go to jail your first time If you got caught due and a half a million, maybe now they're starting to get a little bit harder on the sentencing, but 15 years ago, like when I did my first pen bit, Buddy had stole like $10 million and he got two years. If you had stolen a few hundred thousand dollars for your first time, you'd probably get probation. You wouldn't go to jail, right? If you got a good pre-sentence report and you got a good family and everything behind you, you wouldn't even go to jail. I knew a guy who got 15 years in the federal government, right? He was Canadian.

He was Canadian, but he got caught in the United States for a few million dollars. You got like 15 years. He had a friend that did the same scam in Canada. He got, I want to say he got three years and they let him do almost the whole sentence at his house on home on like a home like he had a house arrest yeah and here's the thing too like you understand once you get arrested in the United States and they let you out and you have to show up but let's say they put you on house arrest like they don't consider that part of your time oh really yeah so I could be on house arrest while I'm waiting to be sentenced for a year they don't that's not part of your

time oh yeah yeah that's it's like that I hear but if you're if you're on strict conditions they don't have to give you credit for it, but I've seen where they will give you credit. If you're on strict conditions, I've seen them knock time off for guys, but they don't have to. It's not considered doing time. But house arrest,

like I'm on house arrest right now for a driving charge because I'm disqualified for driving for life, right? And I got caught right in my motorcycle a year and a bit ago. So I'm doing four months house arrest right now for driving. But that's what a house arrest is an actual sentence. right you go to court and you get sentenced yeah um well now wait a minute you can do house arrest in the federal system if it's your sentence you can sentence you do that so yeah i i meant when you're being when you're waiting for when you're waiting for you're on bail yeah i knew

for you guys is bond but we're right here right like i knew a guy in in uh london he was arrested sorry in the UK he was arrested and so he's arrested and they put him on house arrest and he said i was allowed to go to war he's allowed to do anything but he said you got to call in and tell him hey this is what's going on he said well he held it a huddle off his sentencing for like a year or two and so when he finally got sentenced they used they counted all of that towards his sentence he said i basically went in got processed stayed for whatever a couple days and then they basically just them go done nice ridiculous and he was yeah no doubt yeah that'd be nice well i'm like i'm on house dress i'm allowed to leave for work right yeah and then uh saturdays i got four hours to go

and do the stuff that i got to do and uh my probation officer let me uh take my stepdaughter down to um the park for the uh remembrance day thing that they do down is the remembrance day November 11th you guys don't do remembrance day no for the veterans when the war veterans day veterans day yeah yeah oh we don't remember 11th so they always do a ceremony right so anyways i like to take my kids i've always taken my kids to go down and see that stuff so she let me go and take my stepdaughter down for that because i think it's important that your kids know that stuff and right right so she let me do that so yeah it's not house rest it's not the end of the

world it's not the best but this this sells nicer than uh the cells in the jail that's for sure oh yeah yeah you know the the the best day the worst day out here is better than the best day in there exactly exactly listen i sent you a couple of things on that guy on gerald blanchard i'm telling you you got to read that article i love for sure trust me you don't have to tell me twice yeah it's it's pretty interesting i'm curious to see where he was from because i don't uh blanchard lancred winnipeg born in 2007 in winnipeg yeah okay he's in manitoba that's why i'm not familiar with him if he was in ontario i would probably know the guy but um convicted 2007 theft and fraud he got eight years

he was paroled two years after yeah yeah that day parole yeah yeah um yeah i think he's been in trouble since then for something stupid oh probably yeah yeah yeah here is it gerald blanchard canada's craftiest robber is back in the news this is 2017 okay um yeah definitely um you you got to read like you could you could write up your story the same as his it's very similar story yeah because and you know he gets into all kinds of little interesting you know how it is when you're doing you know fucked up shit you're always doing something crafty you're always oh you always got to be crafty list you're always pushing the envelope

i've come up with a lot of different ways to get shit logistically right like i've made uh i've made tripods to put up on the roof of a building with a pulley system to get all the shit out and then bring it to the edge of the building and then steal a cube van and cut the roof out of the fucking cube van pull the fucking cube van up throw everything into the cube van and jump off the roof into the pile of shit and then drive away right you know there was you know another thing that it reminds me this reminds me of there was a couple a bunch of bank robbers that were doing the same thing they were going and they were taking you know that that great stuff that phone yeah so they would go in on banks and they would

foam the the alarm bells on the roof yeah so they would go in there and they'd fill it up with foam and they'd wait for it to and that way when it went off it didn't make a noise yeah yeah then they cut through the roof open the roof and they set the alarms off and they wait they wait for the cops to show up and then they'd call alarm cops would go in they're like they don't hear an alarm it's you know they'd look in the windows they'd be like everything's fine and then when they left they jumped drop down do it go in and they cut into the fucking vault and steal and they had you know they were safe crackers and the whole thing oh is that those guys out of youngstown ohio i think so yeah they eventually catch them yeah um i was just watching them what's his but i mean

you have i'm saying that you that the combination what i'm saying is you've got aspects of multiple stories yeah yeah that are not necessarily any more ingenious or better or worse than your story, the difference is they're put together. Put together, yeah. You have to be able to put all that together to make things work, right? Yeah, but you got to, no, no, no. I mean, you have to write

it down. I have to write it down. Your story isn't written down. You should write your story down. The problem with that is, and like I said to you before, I can't talk about a lot. Then you... My mom bugged me. to write a book forever.

I'm like, Mom, I can't talk about this stuff. Yeah, I think that's, no, I think you can alter certain things. You don't have to give the names of banks. You can alter certain things. You can give more generalities. And the things that you've been convicted of, you show more specifics. There's lots of things in my book that I talk generally about. I can't even understand what you're saying.

Okay. Can you hear me now? Yep. So there are things in my book. that I talk about in generalities where I'm very, it not because I'm afraid I'm going to get caught for anything, but what I'm concerned about is that, you know, I don't,

I didn't want my book to just be crime, crime, crime, crime, crime, crime. You know, you want to have a story with it as well. Right. So I want to tell what's going on with me personally and the girl that I'm saying. And of course, what my crimes are. And sometimes I would take a whole bunch of them.

and I'd say, you know, like I'd tell one story about an interesting fraud. And then I'd say, you know, and over the next six months, you know, I did various other frauds and pulled in another $2.5 million. And then I'd just keep going. Like, okay, I didn't tell anything specific about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so you just tell about the ones that are super interesting. Yeah. And if you're saying, hey, yeah, but I don't, maybe I wasn't caught for this one.

It is super interesting, but I wasn't caught. Well, then you change the name of the. banks and maybe yeah exactly change a few things yeah yeah you alter it and you can tell the reader look i'm altering some of these events just because i don't want it to you know i feel like going back to prison exactly i've done enough time yeah but overall i don't think the 100 percent specifics are as important as the general story yeah right yeah you're right so when are we going to start writing i mean right now you got it right now Listen, I'm working on three stories right now.

Oh, yeah, yeah. What does it take you to do one, roughly? Was it a year, two-year ordeal? If it's a synopsis of a story. Like a book. So let's say it's a book. A book would probably take six months, six months, maybe eight months. Okay.

If I, you know, because a lot of it is research. Yeah. now a regular story which is all you really need which is like a synopsis of a story so it's almost like maybe the size of a newspaper article or twice that size like like in a magazine yeah um a book is typically about 90 to 90 000 words let's say 70 to 90 000 words yeah a story is about you know synopsis of a story is maybe 10 000 words yeah okay you know I have some that are nine. I have some that are 12 or 13, roughly.

Yep, gotcha. Okay. So, you know, that's all you need. And then where is that going to? Like, I put them on my website, and then when other producers and directors and things, they look at my stories. Pull up. Yeah, and then I have something to point to. Like, I'll say, somebody will contact me about a story.

And I'll say, yeah, you know, that story's been optioned. I have a what are you looking for? I have another one that's similar and I'll say go to my website. Here's the name of the story. Or I'll send it to them. You know, I'll text. I'll send him the link. And then they read it and they'll come back and go, holy shit.

Like, you know, this is a great story. Like Boziac's story was optioned. This guy, Pete Rossini's story was optioned. Oh, God, what's his name? God. the guy there's a guy was on a vice

there's a one that's on shoot was in I got some guys in Rolling Stone magazine I've got I've got multiple stories that you know so my thing is

you know once one of them takes you only need one story to take off of course yeah and then suddenly everybody's going and checking out your other stories and they're like so you know like if you were interested in writing your outline

and trying to turn the whole thing into a story. The basic types of stories are on my website. My website's inside truecrime.com. Okay, I'll look it up. I haven't looked at that. I've watched a lot of the videos. You know what? To be honest,

I haven't watched any of your podcast. I've watched you on other people's stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you got to watch my stuff. But, yeah, I will. I will. But I just got, I just kind of got into all this stuff, like literally. And then I just, I don't know.

something just told me to contact you the one day, right? I was like, look, I just got to see where this goes, you know? Well, if you go to Inside True Crime and look at the stories, you can read them, but I also have audible versions too. So there's a button you can click and it'll take you to YouTube and so it's narrated. Somebody reads it to you. They're all about an hour long. Okay.

That's all you need. Yeah. You don't, I'm not saying write a whole fucking book. I'm saying write your story in a way that you can then, you know, put it on the website like if it's good enough i'll put it on the website we'll get it narrated and then it's it's at least it's available yeah yeah for sure but i'm working on three of them right now i'm trying to finish my girlfriend's story i'm working on a computer chip heist story where these chinese guys are breaking into uh manufacturing plants here in the united states stealing chips

and then i'm working on another story um about a lawsuit there was a guy to california that was doing that years ago well it's funny because you're gonna know what i'm talking about you uh mentioned that masterminds fucking show one time i went to podcast yeah remember there was that kid out of uh california that was breaking into the telecom valley factories and stealing the chip this was that's what this guy was doing yeah get a whole crew of guys they would go in like fucking seven eight of them at a time yeah and this was back at like the 90s i think when this guy was This was. Well, then it's probably the same guy.

What's his name? His name. Was he on Masterminds? No, I mean, he's in prison for life. His last name was long. Did he have, did he have, oh, it's Asian. That's right. No, these guys are all Asian.

They're all triad members. Okay. This was a white guy. And I specifically remember because he had a custom-made aluminum ladder that he could use to come up to the building. And then once he got up, he'd pull the ladder. back up behind him and then he was on the roof to drop in to the fucking uh the locked areas wherever they were inside of that building and steal and that's what he was stealing the computer chips and all that stuff now these guys are going in that these guys are fucking taken over there's

zip tying everybody oh yeah yeah of course yeah these are hardcore this was military precision yeah but they ain't playing that's when you're gonna that's when you're doing big time I'm not you end up with a life sentence too exactly exactly right I always never down for that. I didn't, I don't want to have people around, right? I don't want to fucking steal from anybody. Like, I don't, when I was younger, I did some stupid shit breaking into houses and stuff like that. But after that time, I went to prison and learned how to do B&Es properly, I never did any of that stuff again. I don't want to victimize people. I don't want someone sitting in their house scared. Plus, there's a lot more money in a fucking business than

there is a house. Yeah. I make a lot, like, I'm there for the money. I'm not there to take control people or hurt people or nothing like that. I just want the money, man. It's just the life for me, right? Right. I didn't want to do that. And I didn't want the time, right? I mean, the whole part of this is to fucking get out and enjoy my life, not sit in, sit

in prison. I mean, yeah, it's a lot of time in prison, but I tried to do as little as possible. The law is a lot. They're more okay. There are a lot more understanding of you breaking into a business at night when it's closed and you breaking into somebody's house. when they could be there. Well, I don't know how your guys' laws are,

but in Canada, you can get life in prison for a residential break-in, whereas a commercial break-in, the maximum is 14 years. Not that you never get 14 years for it, but that's the maximum, right? Yeah, here they call it. It's a home invasion. Just a break-in is a home invasion? Yes, you're over. Here, home invasion is when the people are home,

and you go in and tie them up and take them over. If you just break in, you just break in when no one's home. and you just do that. Yeah, they'll call it. Burglary is when nobody's home. When someone's home, I think they call it. They'll typically consider it a home invasion. Oh, yeah.

Someone's home here. Same thing. Home invasion. But if no one's home, it's just a break in or a burglary, right? All right. So what are you doing now? So like I said, I just doing renovations. I have a good friend of mine right now.

His house burnt down two years ago. So I'm just helping. him get his house built i'm just over there helping with the contractor and just trying to get him moved i just finished a bathroom for my buddy's wife so yeah i'm just kind of working and sucks i hate it fucking hate working for a living this is the whole reason i chose this lifestyle from a kid i didn't want to do it and now 45 years old and i'm being forced to do it and i fucking hate every minute of it but you know what i don't i don't look over my shoulder every day yeah yeah Yeah, yeah.

You know, so I don't know what I like more. It's nice to be able to not have to worry, but it sucks. There's no money. There's no money in working for a living. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. When you're used to having, you don't need me to tell you, right?

You're used to having money for whatever the fuck you want and doing whatever. Yeah, but it, like you said, it's nice not looking over your shoulder. I didn't really look over my shoulder. But it, it, it's nice, you know, you know, you don't have to worry about just things in general and, and, and, you know, you get a routine and you enjoy the smaller things in life and watch TV and, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's okay. It's good. It's good. I'm happy. Well, I'm glad you are because I'm fucking miserable. I hate every goddamn minute of it. Basically, I got my friend here is helping me with all the tech stuff. And I said to him, I'm like, I'm basically being forced into retirement just for the simple fact.

I don't have anyone to work with. That's why I'm doing it. Well, I mean, everybody sounds like every time one of your buddies got caught, they immediately rolled over on it. Not every time, but there was a couple, but I just,

like the whole world is fucking whacked out on fentanyl or crystal math now. Like, there is no good criminals out there that has a brain in their head. Like, I need someone with a brain on their fucking head. Like,

there's a reason why, Why, the only way that I have ever got caught is red-handed. I don't, never had a cop come bang on my door and go, hey, you left the fucking fingerprint here. We're coming and arresting you for this, right? If you don't catch me red-handed, you ain't getting me, right? I don't fucking leave traces. Like, when we were doing the bank machines, right?

I, there was one crew of people, and I followed them through the news. And when they got caught, I was like, okay, how did these guys get fucking caught, right? I followed and they were sending a girl in to scope out the bank, right? To see the machine and see where. So every time this machine, one of these machines got hit, they'd roll the cameras back and they'd always see this girl going in a day or two or three days before or whatever, right? So they'd try to find out who she was and that all led back. Well, what the fuck do I need to look at the bank machine for?

They're all the same. Yeah. I don't need to go in and look at the fucking thing. I know it's there, right? I don't need to go in and look. I need to plan my escape route to the highway without being caught on a fucking camera and where I'm going to switch my vehicles without being seen. And that's where I got to spend my time, right?

So that some cop doesn't come banging on my door later going, hey, we got your license plate here. Well, you were doing this, da da da da da da, right? That's where all my time was spent, was doing shit like that, making sure I'm getting away. Did you ever hear about there was a book, there was a book. called flawless and it was about a diamond heist and um anthwart and the guys got away it was flawless it was a seamless uh heist it was amazing they got away with it was like the largest diamond heist in history yeah amazing you know what they did huh when they cleaned out their place where they were all staying because then um were anywhere from uh even

that the country when they cleaned out their place they put it in a bag and they were they like they had eaten they'd eaten like hamburgers or something whatever or sandwiches and their fingerprints were on the sandwiches they threw everything in a bag driving down there down the street to the airport yeah through the bag out there happened to be a reserve and the guy that maintained the reserves walked outside was opening up the bag and looking through all the garbage pissed off that someone who would have littered. And while he's watching, looking at all this

stuff, he sees the TV talking about this massive diamond heist. Yeah. And how in the diamond heist, they'd stolen all of the tapes, the videotapes of the heist. And sure enough, in the bag, are all the videotaping.

Videos, no. He calls the police and says, I think this may be connected. Uh-huh. It's just a one stupid mistake. Yeah. Well, that's like those guys

that you were talking about, the Youngstown, they did the safe in California, right? These fucking guys, all the work

and everything that they put into it, they used their own fucking goddamn identification to get on a plane to go from Ohio to California.

They used their own name. And then... The dishwasher. The dishwasher. Yeah. Left their fucking shit. The dishwasher didn't press clean. The guy,

the guy like he, later, they said that he, hit the button it just didn't come on like he didn't know how to run it that's horrible see that's what for me that's the shit that nightmares are made of yeah right and i don't leave that stuff i spend the time going through that over and over and over and over to say listen that shit like that don't happen same thing with me my whole thing kind of came unraveled when i sent a girl into a title company to sign a dot sign for a bunch of loans yeah and it was her picture

on the ID. It's her picture. Yeah. But because she changed the color of her hair. Yeah, I don't watch the video, yeah. The the title person said, I don't think this is you. Yeah. But it was her. It was her. And just because that title person had made a mistake.

Mistake, yep. She started making phone calls and the whole thing came unraveled. Like, how do you account for that? You can't. You can't. Well, that's like the house arrest that I'm on for right now. How do you account for this one? My buddy calls me. It was the August long weekend. And you're not that, some of the past, the one before that.

My buddy calls me, he's like, hey, oh, bro, come see me, blah, blah, blah. So I go, I leave my boats. I live on my boat all summer, right? I fucking leave my boat. I go up to the town that he's in. I meet him at the Tim Hortons. He's like, okay, I just got to go over to this place over here. Follow me and then we'll go back to my house.

I'm like, okay, so I'm following him. Well, doesn't this car start following us? I'm like, what the fuck's going on here? It can't be me, obviously, right? They don't know who I am. So he's funny. following me. So my buddy pulls in to where he's going,

well, he's the fucking drug dealer. So I don't know what he's doing, but he's obviously doing something. So I'm like, I'm going to drive around the block, see what happens. Well, this car's following me. That fucking long weekend. I've been drinking and partying, and I don't know where I am. It's nighttime. I got bad eyes to begin with.

Well, this car's fucking following me. So I blast through a stop sign. It's right behind me on my ass. So I'm trying to get away, but it's not working out so well. And I'm like, this person's going to fucking smash it. to me sure enough i'm coming up to the street and i can see the dead end sign at the end i'm like fuck i'm doing about 120 boom into my back tire the bike starts going side to side i'm like what the fuck is going on here why is this person doing this so i go to the dead end and there's our street to the

left so i turn i make the turn and it's just a little like five houses on a little court so i'm like fuck so i tried to put the bike between a house and the and the and the fence to try to get through maybe i can get through and get away from this person they're trying to kill me that's what i'm thinking in my head, right? So it doesn't work out. The fucking fence in the house narrows down. I hit the air conditioner and fucking crash. These two people get out and they're fucking beat me. I'm like, what fuck is going on?

They're like, you stole my friend's motorcycle. And I'm like, what the fucking, what are you talking about? That's my friend's motorcycle. I'm like, no, that's not. That's my fucking bike, right? No, it's not. It's my friends. I'm like, no, it's not.

They fucking call the police, right? Well, I'm disqualified for life from driving. Right? Oh, that's how you fucking cops show up. They're like, what's going on? I'm like, I have no fucking idea, man. But all I know is that bike crate there's mine. I own that.

I said, other than that, I don't know what the fuck's going on here. You tell me, talk to these fucking retards that just smashed me off the fucking road and punched my face in, right? It's an off-duty fucking jail guard from one of the fucking jails here thought that I had stole their friend's bike. So the owner, before the police show up, they got me there, and the owner shows up. he's a fireman he gets out of his truck he's like are you fucking stupid mate and i'm like why you shut your fucking mouth and go look at the bike he goes in the back here he comes back he's like uh that's not my bike i'm like no fucking shit said you just fucking tried to kill me and guess who goes to jail you me what the fuck happened to them nothing right how do you

account for that. I'm fucking minding my own business on my bike and this fucking whack job and this is an officer of the fucking law that should know better you would think right? Yeah. I can tell you I got a lot of stories

like shit like that. It happens to me man. I'm one of those fucking guys. How do you account for that? You can't account for that shit. But having a lifetime fucking driving band, I'm going to jail for it. And at first, they wanted 18 to 24 months. Why do you have a lifetime banned?

Well, I never, ever in my life got a license because it got suspended when I was 14 years old, right? And I remember 14, just a punk kid, right? And the judge is like, yeah, we're going to suspend your license for two years, whatever the fuck it was. I don't say, well, are you going to suspend something than I don't got? And he says, well, now you can't get it, right? and I'm like fuck so then I was this was before this is well I was 14 years old probably just before I started getting when I before I got caught and my mom remember her saying to me she's like there's no fucking way well I ever let you drive one of my cars because I was a bit of a fucking wild kid right so my mom being the bitch that she is would oh you're never going to drive my car fucking I'll just steal them then you're not going to let me fucking do something properly. like most parents would do help your kid get a car and learn to drive my douchebag mom she's yeah you're not driving my stuff perfect all right fuck you i'll just steal cars so i started stealing

them and then everything escalated so i was never able to get it right it was always suspended always suspended and then after so many driving without a license is well now they start putting you under suspension so now you get so many driving under suspensions and then it goes to disqualified well now you're disqualified means the judges told you you can't fucking drive it's against the rules now you start doing jail time there's guys I've seen guys

do time in the federal penitentiaries and doing more time than I got for those nine break and enters on banks for driving a fucking car and pulling over that's not getting into a high speed chase nothing that's just pulling over and driving a car that's how bad Canada is for fucking driving it's insane

they wanted when I got this one they started out my lawyer got the crown screening form and they said high reformatory which is 18 to 24 months she's like she's called the crown she's like how the fuck do you justify that the last one that he got was 60 days how do you go from 60 days to 18 to 24 fucking months for her driving right and she got them down to six months and they would not budge under six months and my lawyer when I got my pre-sentence report I got a really good pre-sentence report and the lawyers like listen she I think I can get you four months house arrest for this i'm like if you think you can do it fucking do it right and so when i

went up in front of the judge the judge is like well mr stevenson he's like uh i personally feel that if i put you in jail for six months like the crown is asking that's just gonna put you backwards from everything that you've obviously accomplished by finishing your parole being out not getting in any trouble you know working and doing everything he says to put you in jail is just gonna take all that backwards so he gave me house arrest so that I can stay home and continue working and I got my two sons that live with me right so I got to be here for them and so yeah that's how I got that but other than that like I would never have got house arrest I've never had a sentence like this in my fucking life man I get I'm lucky I get bail once in a while I barely get bail I get

arrested for something I usually got to sit in jail and fucking ride it out well courts happening right because our bail system is different than you guys down there you guys down there you guys down there are just a matter of how much the bond is right it's not like that here you got to go in front of a judge and fight your case and being the record that i have with all the fucking breaching this and that and this they don't want to give you bail right so i usually i'm always stuck inside but things have lightened up in canada recently and they don't want people in jail so much anymore so if you don't have anything outstanding and you just get caught for something you're pretty much guarantee they release you right away now if like if something happened to me right now

while I'm on house arrest then I'd be stuck I'm in jail there's no getting out of that right but well listen you got anything else you want to talk about you know that time I can talk for days but I'm good unless you got more questions no this is good this has been good perfect well um yeah I know I enjoyed this You let me know when, when you want to do that other story or whatever. Yeah. And maybe, well, you know what? That'll give me time to read some of them.

So maybe I can put a little bit of an outline together and remember some stories. Because like I said, man, I'm a rolling crime wave. You know what I mean? So I can publish it all day long stories as just remembering them all, you know? so basically what you want like funny stories of shit that you did interesting funny interesting yeah anecdotal and just interesting is kind of have a beginning

of middle of an in and in you know we scoped out the bank we figured out how to do this we watched this we went in we got this this is what we got this is how it all kind of we were things that went bad you know halfway through the job two cop cars pulled up we jumped in the car we outrace like these two fucking idiots that I take to do a bank machine

I've got to be careful here. Let's say my health wasn't so good at the time. Right. And I was confined to another vehicle while these two fucking idiots go and break into this bank machine. And I specifically said, when you go into this place, I said, go in the parking lot, fucking turn around so you're facing out. Right? These fucking idiots, go in there. in the truck fucking forward back out get stuck in the fucking snowbank and have to fucking run

away and get caught because they fucking drove into the snowbank and get stuck in the fucking truck yeah i i you know it's uh my buddy zach has a story where he he had these people that were walking in and cashing checks right or pulling money sorry they were pulling money out of their account they would walk in or i think they cash checks or we i think they were cashing Jack walked it. So he said he and his wife are sitting in a car. They drop the guy off. They wait in the parking lot. The guy walks in, cashes the check, walks out. He's got like $9,000, looks over, sees Zach and starts running. Just runs with the money. Now, if he had just like over the course of the day, they were going to cash like whatever, like let's say 10 checks or $9,000. This guy was going to make like $30,000 or $40,000. So you're going to make $40,000. Instead, you get the first $9,000 and you're going to go running. Yeah. And just ruin everything else.

Right. He's like this. He's like, I mean, you're drug addicts. He's like, you're drug addicts. He's like, you can't, you can't do the. Listen, I've so many guys, I meet people in jail and like, you know, I got a little bit of a reputation as someone that's good at making money and shit, right? So I go to jail and I get a lot of guys.

Oh, Chris. You know, I want to work to you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, you put fucking. 20 grand or 30 grand into some idiot's hand that's never had any type of money in their life. You want to watch someone self-destruct real quick? Watch this motherfucker fall apart, right? The fucking wheels just come off the bus real quick. Zach would put up these crews and he said they were usually good for one, maybe two scams.

He said, but after that they fell apart. Every time. Oh, yeah, every time. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah, it's bad. You can't, and that's another problem.

Like, people are like, oh, you know, why don't you just go find somebody here? And I'm like, you can't. You can't give these people money because they're going to self-destruct. They're going to be out at the bar or the crack house, whatever the fuck their vice is, bragging about everything that they just did. Yeah.

Right. And they're fucking amazing buddy Chris that showed them. They fucking all of a sudden, you got a problem on your hands, right? So you can't just grab. anybody right you got to be very careful of who you select and there's no one uh the pool's not very good right now so here i am working unfortunately well all right whenever you're ready to come to canada and matt let me know um i we're gonna we got we're rack this up all right We'll do this on a private talk.

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