Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Attorney Investigates Idaho Murderer Arrest Warrant | GUILTY!?

Episode Date: June 21, 2023

Attorney Investigates Idaho Murderer Arrest Warrant | GUILTY!?

They spot him taking the garbage out at 4 a.m. Now, either he's like trying to not be seen or, and I'm just spitballing here, he's having trouble sleeping because he's a bunch of people. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I am here with Josh, America's attorney, and we are going to be discussed. discussing the quadruple murder case of the Idaho students. Josh has got the indictment on Brian, what is his name? Brian Colberger.

Colberger on Brian Colberger, and we're going to go over it. And I've watched at least six different videos on this, so I'm an expert. And as far as experts go in today's society, sad as that is. All right. So thank you. Check this out. I screwed you, man. Go back. The dude's name is K-Burger. Not K-Berger. Mainsty gets on me every time because I stick an L in there. Yeah, I didn't see an L. I have K-O. K-O. at Berger. But then-Berger. Yeah. That's fine.

No reason to change it. Listen, nobody's watching this channel because they're expecting professionalism or perfection or anything like that. If they are, they are. sorely disappointed and they move on. If you want to get famous and you want your last name to get known, you can just commit a crime and then people have to learn how to say your name. It's Coburger, Colberger. I don't know, but, you know, we're still working on our pronunciations. What's going on with your background?

Who picked this background? You don't like it, huh? Well, it doesn't scream attorney to me. It screams, you know, like you're in the woods or it's very yellowstone. So I think we just grabbed it on the fly The first time we made a video with you And if it's bothering you, I'll change it No, it doesn't bother me

I'll change it I'll change it This will be the last time you'll ever see it This is curious Yeah, okay, all right So what, so okay How much do you know about the case? Well, the way to become an expert

Is to watch videos. I've seen some videos But I've also studied the affidavit from Brett Payne, who was a law enforcement officer, who actually got the arrest warrant from the judge in Idaho. This is from December 29th. It's an 18-page affidavit, super detailed. One of the things I love about affidavits in support of arrest warrants is they're largely very clearly, and linearly written. And if you want to take the time to read one, they really do kind of explain the investigation and the crime. Yeah, I've read a few of them,

and they'll throw in the quotes and the exact. Like, you get a much better understanding and reading the, like, a master affidavit than you do the indictment. Yeah, yeah. The indictment is formalized. So I was actually just talking about this a few minutes ago, one of the things that the legal system does is it takes a narrative, a story that you can

comprehend that is actually easy to tell to someone else, like, you know, what happened? Because we all tell stories all the time. And it breaks it into these truly artificial nuggets that the legal system says are important. And so, you know, if you prove A, B, C, and D, then you can say that thus and such happened, right? And it's that way in civil lawsuits, it's that way in criminal lawsuits. And so

skip the indictment. The indictment explains you how many years of jail. Someone might go spend, wow, can't even talk. I'm glad I'm not going to jail for stuttering. Yeah, oh, here you go. All right.

But the arrest warrant affidavit. That's where the magic happens. Are these on PACER? Yeah, let me think. So he got charged in state court and almost all states have some version of PACER

where you can get them. I think we actually got it through a link from a news article and downloaded it from there. Can I just complain about something for a second? Absolutely. The PACER system, which if you don't know what that is, the federal court system is online. Everything is filed electronically. It's all available. You have to pay for it. But it's there. Anyone can see it. It's like perfectly organized it from a lawyer's perspective, because I mostly practice in federal court. It's dreamy. I mean, it just makes so much sense. It's intuitive. It actually is like the opposite of the federal government. It's like it's user-friendly. It's user-friendly. It's coherent, it's efficient. They were the first ones to roll it out. And then all the states said, hey, we want to have electronic filing systems also because, you know, they're using, basically,

they're using these court filing systems from the 1800s. Not a joke. No state just copied the federal system. They all came up with their own systems. They're all garbage. The federal ECF system is the absolute best filing system for electronic documents in the world. I love it. All right. There. I just wanted to get that out there. Got it. So you have the affidavit.

Yeah, I got the affidavit. So you haven't read it. I don't think, but you've watched some videos. Yeah. do you so one of the things that really bothered me following this uh murder or these murders was that there's like headlines saying like the law enforcement is silent uh law no one on law enforcement is saying anything this guy is getting away with it we don't know who did it they botching the investigation right right up till they nail him yes

Like, you need to keep us informed of our investigation? Yes. I think so. I'm like, Coburger reads these articles also. Like, what? It's, I mean, I think it's a symptom of us having access to so much information all the time that we are like, we just expect, like, we should be able to have the police have a press conference every day and tell us, well, here's what we know and here's what we don't know. And bad guy, if you're out there, you know, help us fill in these blanks here. Get rid of the knife. We found the sheath.

Yes. Yeah. We have your car. We have, you know what kind of car you are. So he immediately goes and has the tag changed. You know, like, it's like anytime he heard something, he was, seemed like he was actively like, okay, got to work something out here. So if for your viewers who don't know, they, they zeroed in on a Hyundai, is it an Alontera? Yeah, Hyundai and Alonra, very well-made car, as I understand it.

You can drive it across the country in a hurry, if needed, even when it's eight years old. They got a car that their computer. system said this is probably a Hyundai. They got it on some surveillance footage, not related to the location of the murders, but they went and checked nearby cameras. And apparently there's basically one driving way in and out of the area where this was, and they got this car going back and forth, back and forth, including the night of the murders, right? Yeah. So, I mean, so it was the, also he has, he was in the area 12 separate times. So I'm sure those correspond with the vehicle being there.

You know, your phone is there. It's being pinged off of the, you know, the cell towers. Your car is there. So, you know, anyway. Yeah. So, but I think from an investigative standpoint, point, you jump ahead a little when you start talking about the phone because they've got to figure out which cars, like what is the universe of potential cars that this could be? And the surveillance

footage, again, not related to criminal surveillance. It's just cameras that they found indicate that it's a car probably headed to this other school. well i mean school schools have their cars are registered and so now they're getting like a very very small group of people who could you know who are likely to be behind the wheel of this car and it's a fascinating um it's a fascinating funnel right because at the time the murders are discovered everyone in the world who's living is a suspect right right Right. Right. And then that group of people get smaller and smaller and smaller. And having access to a matching vehicle shrinks the number of suspects down, like, literally so small. It goes from 300 million Americans down to just a few students over at, is it Washington State? What was the school where he was? he was

oh yeah he was at Washington State University yeah he was working on his PhD he was also teaching classes he was like

an assistant yeah he has a yeah I'm sorry but it's this one piece of evidence this video evidence

which of course is not dispositive but it's a very suspicious behavior of a vehicle was that coupled with

I mean like you said whatever 350 million you can eliminate women yeah there's an eyewitness you know the uh the um i guess the um you know so so she eliminates she let she said it was a man so now we're down to guess half that of the united states is you know whatever that comes to what is that 175 000 or 175 million now where you keep now how many have that that age group in their 20s, how many have that car, how many go to that school? Like it very quickly funnels right down to Brian. Yeah, with one piece of evidence, right?

But it's, well, it's not one piece of evidence. It's a Hyundai Alontera and it's headed back to Washington State. Well, now it's like eight or nine. In and of itself is amazing. Yes. And that's not going to happen in, I'm going to say, I mean, you probably. probably no better than I do, but I'm going to say 40 years ago, there basically weren't surveillance cameras, like, not how there are now, maybe even 20 years ago.

Yeah, no, no, what, let's say, you know, whatever, 40 years ago, you basically have an eyewitness girl who says, hey, I'm looking for a guy who's athletic in his 20s with bushy eyebrows. Oh, we've got him. Yeah. Get a sketch, run it in the newspaper, put it. it on a billboard hope for the best yeah um so far there's no real link that it is is there i heard that they're so far the families are trying to figure out is there even a link between brian and any of these students is that come out yeah so there is reporting out now

that he uh deemned one of the victims and i can't remember which one it was but i might know in a minute. And she never responded, but maybe he sent two or three messages to her. That's kind of creepy. But I just, I'm so fascinated by law enforcement's ability to take a little bit of information, which is that it's probably a Hyundai Alontera, and it was probably headed towards Washington State, get it down to a small group of people. And then they start checking cell phone records and dude I know like in this guy's mind

he's a criminal genius right like he actually thinks he's going to get away with it obviously because he doesn't go turn himself in he hasn't admitted it was him yada yada yada he like he actually thinks he's getting away with it how because he puts his phone

in airplane mode while he goes for the final trip as if he hasn't created bunch of breadcrumbs from previous trips and this is the thing that blows my mind he could have just left his phone at home the entire time could say like oh well look my i never go anywhere without my phone and my phone was home that day but he put in an airplane mode which no one like no one puts their phone in airplane mode for three hours in the middle of the night that's not how

it works that's like the most guilty yeah do you know what girl it is oh oh if you're thinking of killing someone out there disregard my advice definitely put your phone in airplane mode for just the moment that you're doing the the crime wow sorry well you know so he has a degree in criminal justice right yes like you would think that he would take a lot more precautions yeah you would you wouldn't uh i mean you wouldn't case the location with your phone on you right or maybe even in your car yeah you you wouldn't um you wouldn't take your own vehicle to to the uh to commit the crime i don't think i don't know i guess hey i'm glad he did you know A lot of criminals are pretty smart.

The cops only have to be right one time to bring somebody in and the criminals get away with it for a long time, but you only got to mess up once, right? Yeah, I used to say that all the time. Like, you've got, you've got like 100,000 police officers working on multiple cases and they only have to be right once.

Yeah. You really can't screw up. Yeah. So, you know, the profile on him, so I watched a video. This was actually interesting. Have you ever heard of this guy, Dr. Todd Grant? I don't think I have. He's got a YouTube channel and he is extremely monotone.

Oh, oh, this is a guy who does psychiatric profiles of people. Yes. Yeah, I've seen one of his videos. Very. So Brian did this and Brian did that and then Brian this. It is alleged that it's like I and I, but the problem is while he's doing it, I'm thinking to myself, I don't even think like I could forgive this if you were reading, but I don't think you're reading.

I think you just talk like this. So it's really a great video by the way. Yeah, very insightful guy, very monotone. He and I have different energy levels. I think I might drink more coffee than he does. Yeah. he you know one of the things he said was which i thought was interesting that he mentioned it he said the the criminal the profile was of a guy between 20 and 40 who was unemployed had a failed

relationship with a woman and in it he says you know obviously brian's in his 20s makes sense you know he said he was employed oh it also said that the person was not that bright like they shouldn't expect him to be highly educated he would would probably not be that intelligent No, Brian clearly was intelligent, despite the numerous mistakes he made. Yeah. He was bright. He was in his 20s. He was employed.

And, um, and it, but he said that, but it doesn't seem that he's had really any real successful or failed, really, or relationships at all with, with women. Yeah. Interesting. Well, he doesn't really mean. oh sorry go ahead he was saying so he doesn't really meet that profile which is yeah i mean i think even the profilers will tell you

it's just a profile yeah and you know the evidence takes you wherever the evidence takes you um and you know this is the type of murder which people got away with in the 1980s they really did this is a ted bundy murder yeah and um it's just we don't live in that world anymore And I know that some people don't like how connected we are

and how tagged we are with our location all the time. But, you know, sometimes it works out for good, right? They catch the bad guy. Did you ever watch the, there was a Netflix series on Ted Bundy, documentary series. It's like a, gosh, it's got to be four, five, six parts. No, this came out in 2022, right? I think so, yes.

Yeah, well, that's not for me, man. I can't do I can't watch that it it was great well only in well only in the fact that I was you know I knew who Ted Bundy was I knew he committed a bunch of murders I knew he fought his case for a long time eventually you know he was electrocuted but I had no idea how many times like he got you know he got pulled over and the police let him go even though they were looking for him even though he matched the that who they were looking for he he he escaped. prison twice he like all of these things that happened that i was watching you're watching it's like like none of these things would happen now like yeah there's no way you're getting away with all the things that he got away with did did you have any close calls that you know of before you got brought in me yeah yeah i had a bunch of them what what's the closest call you ever had I was in a Wachovia bank one time, removing money. I'd borrowed $1.3 million on a couple of houses.

I was draining the account. I walked in with an ID, state-issued ID in the name of Gary Sullivan, and I was pulling out cash. I had pulled out maybe $600,000. Walk into the bank one day, and I had multiple bank counts. If I walk into Wachovia, and I'm walking out. waiting to get a check cash for or remove like whatever, eight or nine thousand and two sheriff's deputies walked up behind me and grabbed my arms, pulled them behind my back and handcuffed me.

A detective came and I sat down in the office. A detective comes from Richland County. He comes in. I'm number one on the Secret Service's Most Wanted list at this point. Okay. So I'm assuming it's the FBI or a Secret Service. that's i'm waiting for but the the deputies are calling me mr solomon i'm matt cock so i'm thinking eh i don't know they've got my id i don't know the uh detective walks in and says hey

mr solvin um while covey is head of their fraud department contacted us he he said that you you're removing cash out of a bank account he said that you you're removing cash out of a bank account he said that you you've got three mortgage, three first mortgages on the same house. I actually had six. But I realize, obviously, they call it only three. And he said, and that basically you've committed a crime. And I was like, is that illegal to have three first mortgages? And he's like, you know, to be honest, I don't know.

And I remember thinking, I'm leaving. I'm walking out here. So he gets the head of the fraud department on the phone. And I spend about the next 20 minutes convincing the, detective that they're mistaken. The bank has made a mistake. I work at a labor company. I give my business card. I own a couple houses here. I'm getting money out of the bank to cash checks for the company I work for for the laborers because they get charged 10% at the check cashing place. I don't think that's right. I know the checks are good. I'm also rehabbing several

houses in the area that I own. He checks. He goes, that's right. You own two houses. I said, correct. And I said, and a lot of the laborers are Mexican and they want cash. And I said, I wouldn't know how to do that, how to do something like this if I tried. And I said, to be honest with you, I said, what makes more sense? Three loan officers at different banks got together to help me borrow this money or that me, a guy that works at a labor company, was able to trick three large banks out of half a million dollars. I said, bro, I couldn't do this if I tried. And he goes, you know what?

I think they've got a problem at the bank. I said, I think so too. And he let me go. I went to the police station, filled out a police report, and he let me go. He's been known to cure insecurity just with his laugh. His organ donation card lists his charisma. His smile is so contagious. Vaccines have been created for it.

He is the most interesting man in the world. I don't typically commit crime, but when I do, it's bank fraud. Stay greedy, my friends. Support the channel. Join Matthew Cox's Patreon. So that's the closest. I also have several other. I got pulled over, or the bank caught me red-handed.

I called them up and just gave him the money back. Like, let me just give you the money back. And that worked? Oh, multiple times. one time I actually had two attorneys help me with Washington Mutual Bank. They talked to the Washington Mutual Bank lawyer there, and he agreed, just give me, give us the money back. We won't contact the authorities. You know, completely unethical.

Yeah. Now, I think that a lot of your viewers may not know this, but banks very much want to, to never prosecute anyone. They don't want the fact of a crime to be known because they want their customer's experience to be, I bank at the safest bank. They never get scammed. They never get robbed.

Everything is fine. I can put all my money here. I can borrow money from them. I can do business with them. I can trust them completely. But, man, there's crimes happening all the time. Those banks are victimized all the time. and they don't want people to know it because it's bad for business.

That is exactly. I had a sun star bank, not just that. I was caught with about $2 million worth of bad loans at a company called Pinnacle Bank out of Chicago. And Pinnacle Bank didn't want to prosecute me because they would have had to have, they'd already sold about a million dollars worth of those loans to household bank. and they would have had to have notified household bank and bought the loans back. Yes.

Like they don't want to buy a million dollars with the loans back. Yeah. So if they get all the money, part of the money, whatever from you. Yeah. Yeah. I can go on and on. I've had so many close calls. And I just, I kept getting, you know, the, you know, the worst part about that for me is

because I'm so arrogant, it just made me more. It just emboldened me. Every time I got away with it, I thought it was. just because I'm that good. It was like, it wasn't until I got arrested. I was like, I'm not that good. Well, but yeah. But a bank is actually a good target

because they want to keep everything hush, hush. They're, their, your viewers, a bank at brick and mortar banks that have been robbed recently and it's, it's not reported, it's not prosecuted. find the people the bank the banks just want it to just go away it's just money but bad publicity is way worse than you know 10 20 50 000 dollars gone missing apparently the margins for bankers are fairly good and if they get stolen from a little bit you know you're all right a lot of fraud

is just even though they know yeah they've been defrauded they just you know first of all pursuing it is, you know, there's no real benefit to them. They're not getting the money back. It just makes them look bad. So a lot of times, unless it's blatantly blatant and it's put in front of them with a silver platter, they just don't pursue it. Yeah. Like, I think this is fraud. We should look into it. But in the end, are we really going to get our $2,500 back? No. So the opposite end of the spectrum, uh, is a murder, uh, a multiple murder. And, um, I mean, profile murder. It's, it's high profile. I mean, it's like these supposedly, you know, innocent college students like, this could be your kid. This could be my neighbor. This could be

anyone. People, they get worked up about it. And that, you know, law enforcement is, they're going to pursue that. And so people expect, like we were saying, like immediate feedback from law enforcement, like, oh, we know who did it or whatever. People are like dogging them in the, in the media. People are, you know, casting suspicion on their ability to find the guy. But according to the affidavit, just 12 days in, they were, they were pretty sure that it was an Alantra that was at Washington State. And, you know, they started sitting on him pretty quickly. And the story of them tracking him to Pennsylvania and then, and then sitting on his

parents' house, I don't know how far in the weeds you got on that. I did. Yeah, they follow him into the grocery store. He's wearing gloves. Yeah. He's. So you know what he did with his trash? No, what, I mean, I know they got the trash and they realized they got the father's DNA.

Yeah. And they said, oh, no. This is fascinating. They're watching him. He's cleaning out his car, like, like savagely cleaning it, like at 4 a.m. or 3 a.m. sometime, wearing gloves, cleaning the car. I don't understand the gloves. it's his car i mean his dna's in it he doesn't need he doesn't need gloves on to clean his own car but

it doesn't matter he's he's he's cleaning out his car he's wearing the surgical gloves or watching this happen in the night so like obviously he's he did it i mean that's like that's just the dumbest thing but um they they spot him taking the garbage out at 4 a.m. Now either he's like trying to not be seen or, and I'm just spitballing here, he's having trouble sleeping because he killed a bunch of people.

I've heard of that happening. But anyways. Hard time believing he's losing sleep over, over the murders. Okay. How about the attention of not having yet been caught? Yes. Okay. Okay.

Where did he put the trash? The garbage can? neighbor's garbage can. Oh, yeah, like it's getting worse and worse. Like, these are harder and harder things to explain to a jury. Yeah. So his only hope, his only hope is to not explain it to a jury. And if you don't mind, I'm going to plug a video that's over on my channel.

Yeah. Where I talk about this affidavit and what's contested and not contested. The only argument, honestly, that he's going to have that could possibly get him off is not one that he's going to make to the jury, because the jury's going to, the jury's going to take care of him, he has to file a motion to suppress the evidence obtained from the trash. That's his only argument because they don't have a warrant for the neighbor's trash. Right. And they don't have a warrant for his parents' trash because under the Fourth Amendment, there's a United States Supreme Court case called California versus Greenwood, 1988, where the U.S. Supreme Court said that the expectation

of privacy, which exists for the people here in our country, does not extend to trash that you have put in the public domain. So it has been dumped into the landfill, right? Or dumped into the garbage? It has to be at the edge of your property. So the rule is basically if the trash man can pick it up, then so can the cop. Okay, I didn't know. I put a bunch of videos, I'm sorry, a bunch of still photos of raccoons as backgrounds in my video about this because the police are just, they're just dumpster diving for evidence.

And of course, they know they're going to get something. And they're not actually looking for anything incriminating, even though he's certainly doing things that are incriminating at 4 a.m., putting his. his trash in his neighbors, his parents' neighbors trash can. They just need DNA from his dad or anyone in the family. Yeah.

To link back to DNA that they got from the crime scene. Yeah, the sheath, the knife, the Kbar sheath, knife sheath, right, had his DNA on it. Yeah. I don't know how much time you spend thinking about the Fourth

Amendment, but like, do you have like a gut reaction? or a principled response to like whether they should have an arrest warrant if they're going to dig in the trash? I mean, to me, once it's in the trash and it's discarded, it's not really on my property. Like I've discarded the moment I've discarded it and put it in the trash, but I don't like the, like if it's in my trash can and it's in the backyard or it's even in the front yard, like I don't like the idea of you going on my property to dig through my trash. Now, once I put it out, okay, you could even, to me, you could even make the argument that, wait a second, until it's dumped in the truck, it's still on my property, it's my trash. Once it leaves the bin, so that's my thought on that. But nobody's asking, you know, I tend to agree with you there.

I think there's kind of two elements to this. One is if you leave it out at the curb and the principle is that you don't have an expectation. of privacy in it, I get that because you're saying to the, the trash man, pick this up, take it away, right? Like you've touched it for the last time. If it's still in your backyard, if it's still over on the side of your house, it's still yours. The other thing is that if a non-cop digs in your trash and it's out of the curb, are they committing a trespass? No. To me, you've discarded it. Yeah. It's not. they're not coming on your property.

So if it's not wrong for a neighbor to do, it's probably not wrong for the cops to do. And then finally, from the law enforcement side, which is maybe a side that your viewers don't care to listen to, I don't know, but like just for purposes of fair hearing, let's hear them out.

Once that trash is out there at the curb, they basically have an exigent circumstances situation because if they have to go find, a judge to get a warrant signed and the trash truck can come by at any time. They can't

they can't, you know, they can't stop it. Right. So it really like it's a perfectly sensible rule to me. Here's where Coburger's at. The U.S. Supreme Court says no expectation of privacy in the trash once you put it out the curb. Okay.

But there's nothing preventing individual states from protecting people's individual rights and liberties more than the federal government does. And a state that touches Idaho, they do touch, Oregon touches Idaho, right? I said, I was educated in the South. I'm not sure where any of these states are. I'm willing to say yes. Oregon and Idaho touch each other. Oregon says no, you need a warrant for that. Um, and that is the type of argument that Koberger's lawyers have to make and they have to make it soon in writing to try to get the evidence suppressed so that there's, they're never ever, never able to tie up his dad's DNA to the DNA from the crime scene. okay but there's there's still well would you have been able to get a warrant to arrest them if without that evidence i still think he's still going to he's yeah he's still going to trial

he's still going to end up getting found guilty well done so many the circumstantial evidence is just stacking up yeah the problem is there's this legal doctrine uh called the fruit of the poison tree that says that oh you know this already probably but if you have an illegal um a piece of evidence that you obtained illegally then you have to throw out everything that you learned uh from that piece of evidence right but wasn't that the last piece of it but did they already have like the phone or the cell tower the or you're saying all that came after no i don't know that the fruit of the poison Tree would really help him because they were already

sitting on him. They already they already quote unquote knew it was him, right? So, you know, it's a loser of an argument. He has to make it. Yeah, it's his only argument. He has to make it. I was going to say that one thing that

you know, sprang to mind when you were talking about homicides and is homicide detectives. It's, it's, it's my understanding dealing with homicide detectives like you know the thing about homicide detectives is that's that's a vastly different department than obviously all of the other departments because they're they're looking they're pursuing the worst crime imaginable and they're they're zealots and they absolutely believe that what they're doing is is the the highest possible calling for law enforcement so you tend to get like the most passionate detectives in those you know in those departments like they they they're trying to solve someone's murder you know this is to them it's it's hugely important they're dealing with family members their brutal crimes like they tend in my opinion they tend to be extremely passionate about it as opposed to a guy who's trying to find a guy who's cashing bad checks

it's like yeah yeah and so if you look at their interaction with the victims, just to go back to the comparison to the bank, the bank is saying, yeah, please, we don't even want you to, we don't even want to know who it is. No publicity. Please, no charges. Like, let us just move on. We're making money hand over fist. That's so

different than a grieving family who's saying, like, you know, our loved one is gone and brutally murdered, which I mean, you know, every murder is brutal, but, you know, graphically and violently murdered,

Like, you have to get justice for us. That's very different than a corporate institution saying, yeah, we don't really want justice. Why don't you just push us under the rug? Yeah, you know, it's funny. I literally, while I was in prison, I have one, two, I have three of my stories that have murders in them that are unsolved. And I've spoken with two of the homestead.

Homicide detectives that were investigating it. And amazingly, they had already read my story, the stories that I wrote on them. And I actually spoke to one of them a few days ago. I wrote a story called Cash Logistics, where the robber, they'd set up a robbery, and one of the guys got killed. So they set up a robbery to have these other crew of guys rob. my subject like he's driving the truck he's the one who's

who's in the cash depository and he sets himself up to be robbed once he gets robbed he goes to get his money from the robbers and they short him instead of giving him like one and a half million they give him like 150,000 and there's not much he can do

he's not a tough guy he's not going to shoot or anybody or anything so he kind of shrugs it off well his buddy who helped set the whole thing up starts threatening the other guys he's going to call or he's going to get that money he's going to this they end up killed having him murdered well it was unsolved while i was incarcerated writing the story it turns out that as i was interviewing my subject his name was as a um jemal towns while i'm interviewing towns he ends up telling me about another guy in another

crew that had tried to rob like wells fargo and got shot in the face i hate when that happens i was like oh my god i was like that's a great story kind of a side story and he was like yeah he goes he's like yeah it's crazy well it turns out i realized you know what there's a guy that just came to my unit he was shot in the face so i then go to him and say hey I'm doing a story, and I tell him, he was like, yeah, yeah, I know that guy. That's the guy that was working with Dewey and these other guys. And yeah, yeah, I said, right, his buddy got shot and killed. He goes, yeah, I know.

Shetfield, I know. He said, yeah, he said, it's funny. I was actually with Dewey, and we drove by the murder scene within an half an hour or an hour of it happening. And Dewey told me he ordered the murder. And then he tells me what the name of the murderer. And I was like, did you tell the police? this he goes no i didn't tell the police this like i don't talk to the police so i was like bro like what are you doing like you know the name of this guy and he and so we have a whole long discussion

and he doesn't want to talk to the police he's not doesn't want to hear that you know we're in prison he could get hurt whatever but i'm saying look that we're not this is different this is a murder someone was gunned down walking out of his house like come on and anyway so i wrote the whole story. I actually looked up the guy, pulled his police reports, the murderer, found out when he was in and out of prison, got all the police report, put his name in there, explained the whole thing. And I did that as what I called a barbed wire backstory. So there's the main story. And then there's like a little side note on other things that happened, but didn't really make the story because they, they were anticlimactic. They didn't go anywhere.

Yeah. So a couple days ago, I get a, I get an email from an FBI agent who tells me, since says, hey, I'd like to talk to you about this story. So I get on the phone with him and we're talking and he's like, hey, and he's asking me all these questions. And as we're talking, I said, well, have you talked to, you know, this guy, basically this guy, Hollis, right? And he's like, why do you say that name? And I went, well, because that's the guy that they, that Kelby said killed him. And, and he's, and he's like, you know, he's like, that's not in the story. And I go, where did you get the story? He goes, well, it was in the file. And I said, oh, you didn't go to the website. He goes, no, there's another story. I said,

yes, there's a second part. He goes there. He reads the story, comes back, and he's like, oh, my God, that's the guy. And I was like, oh, I said, how do you know? I said, I mean, I only have the one source. He said, no, no, he's got a couple other sources that said the same guy. Even the guy that hired him, admitted that was the guy. But then he, then he refused to cooperate when he realized that wasn't going to get him out of jail. So did they get him? Wait, this is just now happening. This happened. I talked to this guy like two days ago. Oh, my goodness. So he said, I'm going to, he said, listen, he was super excited. He's like, look, I'm going to look into this. If anything happens, I will let you know. I really appreciate this. And so we had a whole conversation.

And, you know, it's just because he reached out to me, like, he's like, you've got the whole thing. I explain the whole thing. And so we'll see what happened. But he was the FBI agent that had worked on the case to begin with. He retired. And then the department, the police department hired him to come back and start working cold cases. Like, and that's the thing about these cases is that homicide detectives, like, you know, there's no statute of limitations. And a lot of time, people are like, well, nothing.

happened, nothing happened. Look, I'm not saying that the cops don't botch police work. But for the most part, these people will, they'll work a case till it dies. And then they'll wait five or six years. And they'll come back and work it again. And again, and again, they're not doing that because it's cost effective. They're doing it because it's a passion to solve this crime. It's heinous. Like, they didn't just hire this guy to come back and look at a case from six or seven years ago. There's no benefit. They want to solve it. So anyway, that's what I, that's my take on it. And I've had multiple times where I've talked to these agents who they'll talk, they'll talk to you and be like, listen, I want to solve this. Yeah. Now, you're making an interesting distinction. There isn't

anyone out there trying to probably trying to solve, you know, 30 year old hot check. Yeah. I mean, there are statutes of limitations on some crimes and not on others, right? And yeah,

I mean, you commit a murder or four murders in this case. The police are not, they're not going to quit. They're not going to give up. They may take a break after, you know, they've run down every lead. But it's a different world now. The DNA stuff that's out there is phenomenal.

The cell phone tracking is, I mean, it's very precise. It's very detailed. The records exist and they exist forever. It's compelling. Yeah. And there's video surveillance. I mean, you know, you watch these action movies and they, you know, they act like, oh, the cops check this camera and then this camera and this camera.

And like in 90 minutes, they've found the guy. That's not how it works. It takes a couple of weeks. But it can be done. And, yeah, like one piece of evidence, a car that looks like a Hyundai Allantra, put them in the right direction. Like, to me, that's pretty encouraging in terms of getting crimes solved. So it is, it is.

So here's another thing. So there's, well, I guess there's two things. One, when, so when Brian, what, Coleberger, when Colberger, when Colberger was arrested, he asked, was anyone else arrested? That's one of the things that was said. And they said, now was, did he say that to throw the police off? Did he, like, they don't know why. They were like, it was very odd. They arrested him.

Of course, they read the rights. And then he said, has anybody else been arrested? now who knows why he said that that's one thing the second question is you know what do you think his motivation is based on what i know uh he just seems to have a fascination with crime i mean truly like sociopathic right um and i think those are the ones that that bother us as a society the most because they're so pointless and so meaningless and they can happen to anyone. If you go to a bar and start a fight with someone and that ends up with you getting shot, you shouldn't have gotten shot. It's too bad. But everyone understands how you got in that

situation if you agree to commit a crime with people and then you end up trying to cut them out of some money and they shoot you everyone understand that it doesn't make it right but there's meaning that people can relate to it's coherent it might be wicked might be evil it's definitely violent but it's coherent and it's it's incoherent when you have someone who just picks out random

people to kill them because it seems interesting to him and that puts us all at risk right I think that's why you see these these headlines like this it's just you know it's it's dark okay

so you think I mean I mean, the fascination, you think that maybe his thought was, I'm going to do this and get away with it? Like, I'm going to commit the perfect murder. 100%. Okay. So what about the reaching out to one of the girls with the DM?

Like, you don't think it was a rejection thing? That seems on, I mean, obviously that's a possibility. But to me, it seems more likely. that he's identified someone for whatever reason and like the more he knows about them, the easier it would be to kill them in the perfect crime scenario. And that's why, of course, you think later he reached out to her?

Like maybe he'd already pinpointed this person and then reached out to her later? Yeah, my guess is he says, here's someone I could kill. And I'm going to try to get away with it. So I want to learn as much as I can and, you know, figure out where, where she is or where they are, what they do, et cetera. And, you know, he cased the location multiple time, week in advance. And no one wants to hear that because that means like any of us can be getting cased by a crazy person.

at any time, and we don't know it. No one wants to hear that. It's so much better if it's a fight with a neighbor or a domestic incident or, you know, something people can relate to. Yeah. Well, you know, it's funny. Like, I've given my address out. I have people come to, you know, my, my studios in my house.

And, you know, people are always like, are you worried? Are you worried? Are you, like, about what? Well, what if something happens? What if something, like, what's going to happen? Like, you know, I was, I live in a nice day. neighborhood I think but you know I always think that but yeah that's that's it's definitely like an issue like if someone targets you wants to find you like how hard is it to to track somebody down

yeah it's an interesting you know we all you know we lock our doors at night right we lock our windows or whatever I don't know how big of a strong guy you are I don't know but you know if I wanted to get into someone's house a locked window would not stop me like that's a anyone who who wants to get in can get in but we all feel a little bit better you know if we if we lock a door or whatever it's it doesn't it's it's maybe it doesn't matter or maybe you you're making a little bit harder so the bad guy moves on to the next house yeah right locked windows and doors only stop honest people yeah i mean if someone has decided you're the target the locked window is not going to prevent you from being the target.

Oh, no. Listen, an $8, a small $8 crow bar at Home Depot takes care of any of that. Yeah. And that goes back to why it's so important that we have absolutely obsessed, driven law enforcement officers who take on violent crime, and get them solved, because we want to live in a society where when the ultimate breach happens, that there are repercussions, that there's punishment,

that some degree of closure or finality or justice can be applied to it. That's, I mean, because it's so much more gripping and horrifying to have a murder happen than to have someone lose money from a bank account. Right. yeah i don't know i like the perfect i you know it's what's funny is it just it does remind me of the whole ted bundy you know thing like i wonder to myself if he sat down and really sat down and thought to himself i want to pull off the the perfect murder to me like that's not really what ted bundy ted bundy had a major problem with women i i i in my opinion i think

this guy has he's been you know apparently he was bullied in high school he had went girls would throw things at him um he's never had a real successful relationship with women and maybe he's made so many attempts he's just come up with this real hatred of women and maybe that's what spawned because to me like this is a crime almost of passion because he certainly didn't come close to pulling off the perfect murder. No. Like, I mean, way too many gaffs.

Way too many gaffs. You know, there's not a lot of comedy in a situation like this, right? No. And, you know, it's not a situation where you want to find something to laugh about. Right.

But the quote from his lawyer in Pennsylvania is so his. When I read it, I actually was like, like, it's a good thing I had to drink a coffee. So he gets arrested. And I think it was like a lawyer that his parents had hired. Maybe they knew the lawyer already. It was like just someone from the town there. And have you read this quote? It's so awesome. No. What is it? I'm not going to get it verbatim, but trust me, this is the gist of it. These allegations are not, are very out of character for Brian. as opposed to he does this all the time like nobody's surprised he just doesn't leave a trail of bodies all over the country i mean like i i i mean lawyers are called on to to speak at a moment's notice and you don't you don't want to put a foot in your mouth and you definitely don't want to say like something that's false or misleading or or stupid, but sometimes you just can't help yourself.

This is so dumb. These allegations are, they're very unlike him. No, Brian, for a lot of time, he's, as far as I know, he's never murdered anybody. Yeah. So they have to have his trial by September, right? Because he's going to be in custody for less than nine months, unless he extends it because he has a right to speedy trial. So I guess they're going to call his,

his parents' lawyer in Pennsylvania as a witness, they'll drive him over to Idaho, they'll get him on the stand and he'll be like, yeah, I don't think it's true. I've never known him to kill anybody. So this doesn't sound right to me. Okay, thanks. Now you can just drive on back to Pennsylvania.

You've been a great witness. Thanks for helping us out. It's funny, some of the circumstantial stuff, like you're right, the more I think about it. Like, there's just no way for him to, there's just nothing he can really say. Like, there's no one story that fixes all of these, that answers all of the, you know, One, I have a friend that lives in the area, you know, and maybe, you know, I don't really know his name.

I forget, I went over there much times. He moved while I was incarcerated, but that's part of the story, you know, or then, hey, yeah, you know what is funny. I lost. I had a sheath. I had a K bar with a sheet that I lost. I lost it in the area. They must have found it when I was visiting my butt. Like there's certain things you can say I'll try and craft the story, but there's just no story that that fits all of this.

My phone sometimes puts itself in airplane mode in the middle of the night. So weird. Never done it before. Yeah. But that night. And I was, I sometimes drive while sleeping.

Sleep driving. Or, yeah. I was stoned out of my mind. So, you know, give me a less sentence. There was a guy that was making me do this. I was like,

he was threatening to kill me. if I didn't do these things and he was with me and he's the real bad guy. I am psychotic and I didn't know who I was or what was happening. I have these out-of-body experiences or whatever. I mean, these are failed arguments. They sound like arguments that a lawyer would make

who said, yeah, I mean, I know a lot of people he hasn't killed, so I don't know. Do you remember the pizza bomber? no no the guy they stuck a collar around the guy's neck it was a bomb and they had him rob a bank no have you never what you talking about it was huge is this a like a george cluny movie or did it it's a real it's a real thing these a group of got like it was a it was like three guys and a woman they got together and they came up with this scheme where they're like look we're to rob a bank but we want to be if the guy gets caught that robs it we want to be him to be able to

say like it's i'm not involved they made somebody made me do it yeah so one of their buddies salt was a pizza driver they put in an order and he's in on it by the way yeah he has to be in on it well no a lot of people think he wasn't at first it was like he's not in on it yeah thought he wasn't because what happened was he gets an order he drives to a location and then supposedly his story was he gets kind of mother there, these people that have masks on and stuff, put a collar on him with a bomb. They say, go rob this bank and then meet us here and give us the money. And that was done because, of course, if he's caught, he can say, I wasn't in on this.

Like, these people grabbed me. And then they'd be like, okay, that makes sense. Okay, we get it. You know, it does. You're right. You do have this collar on. We took it off you. So he goes to the bank.

He robs the bank. He comes out. But, of course, they catch him. As he leaves the bank, the cops pull him over. Could be the collar was slowing him down. It was pretty heavy. He gets out and they, of course, you know, when he gets out, they see him. Like he gets out and he's like, look, I got this collar on.

And he's trying to tell the police, like call the bomb squad. So they basically say, stay over there. You know, they put the handcuffs on him and they walk away. So he's got handcuffs on. He's just sitting there. And he's screaming, get the bomb squad. get the bomb squad. Well, you know, the cameras are there.

This is all on film. And then it ends up going off. It's a real bomb. Oh, no. I mean, I can't believe you've never heard of this. No. Yeah, boom, right there on camera. Boom, blows the head off the whole thing.

I was in prison with the guy that made the bomb. They called them the pizza bomber. He used to sweep up on the compound. So one time I go to him and I said, hey bro i said can i ask you some questions and he goes yeah sure i mean very awkward chubby probably guy in his probably was in his late probably in his early 60s late 50s early 60s and he's like yeah sure what i said what's up man like what's up what happened and he and we talked for a little bit and he said first of all he said you know it's not even my

fault and i said why even make the bomb work Yeah, it doesn't need to work. He said, because it needed to work so it was convincing, like, who would put a real bomb on themselves? So if he's caught, he can say, like, I wouldn't put a real bomb on me. He said, and we thought that if he was caught, the bomb squad would get it off and before it went off. And I went, okay, I said, still like that. And he goes, and he said, it's not even my fault. He said, honestly, it's the police's fault.

He said the bomb squad didn't get there in time. Wow. And that was literally his, like, it's not my fault. The bomb squad, they messed up. It's their fault. This is the guy whose time in jail has not led him to a point of reflection where he can see some of his own flaws, I take it. Well, I mean, he ended up dying, so he's reflecting now.

Okay, yeah, all right. He's, he's, yeah. Wow. Right. That's just people are. are just delusional. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I know that there is a perfect crime, and obviously people do get away with murders, but it's getting rarer and rarer. Look, the DNA stuff that the law enforcement are able to use now, it's fascinating. They can really, they can really hone in on people. And they can exonerate people, which is great, and they can also get the right guy,

which is also great. Did you ever read John Grisham's The Innocent Man? I have not read it. Oh, my God. This guy goes to trial. So there's a rape charge, right? Rape, the woman was raped and murdered. The prosecution the entire time is saying he acted alone.

He raped this woman. He murdered her. That's their whole thing. He's saying that's, not me. I didn't rape her. There's no way. And they and he said it must have been somebody else. And they said, no, no, you acted alone. We can prove that. The shoe print fits yours. The people saw you in the area. You knew the woman. Like they go through the whole thing. It was their whole argument is it's you acted alone. Ten years later, he goes to the innocence program. He finally convinces them

Because back then, the innocence program, if there was DNA that, like, DNA wasn't really a thing yet. Yeah, DNA's new. So he finally convinces them to order DNA. They ordered DNA and it proves that it wasn't him. Wow. He's not the person that raped her. Therefore, he can't be the person that killed her. So the prosecution, they come back and they say, all that means is he worked with someone else.

your whole case was he worked alone wow yeah so i was going to say sometimes they're just dig in yeah um okay so i got to tell you my john grisham story right okay uh he had a book called the rainmaker and it was made into a movie with uh claire dains and matt damas i love the rainmaker okay so you've seen the way i i read all the books Okay, my mom played a nurse in the Rainmaker. She, um, there's a scene where Claire Daines is in the hospital and Matt Damon goes to visit her. Yes.

And kind of a middle age, you know, beyond middle age, a nurse with reddish hair says something like, uh, visiting hours are over, hon, you got to go now. That's my mom. Nice. Yep. So was, was she, uh, was it kind of a fluke that, or is she, uh, an act? actress like she was yeah she did she did acting stuff locally and that movie was filmed in memphis and they tried to uh cast locally you know they don't want to import somebody from

a long way away to say one line yeah yeah yeah that's funny what's your favorite john grisham book um well i mean i thought the firm was pretty fun for a for a book um the mood of version, the runaway jury, I really enjoyed. It's great acting. I like John Cusack, so that's an easy one for me. I mean, the movie was okay. The book was great. They also switched the plaintiff, you know, they switched the plaintiff from tobacco to guns. Guns, yeah. They had it, I guess, make it something more palatable for Hollywood or something. I don't know but it's a great like the whole idea that you can like dig into the backgrounds and of the jury and like try to get yourself on that all that like coke and daggery type stuff was fascinating to me

that's what made the book so much better yeah great book um i was going to say uh this book what he wrote that was not a part of it was never made into a movie that i know of was uh the partner oh yeah i don't think i've read that one i probably read it six times in prison or out of prison i read it probably twice before i ever went to prison okay but i i listened to it on on tape or on tape they don't have on tape anymore but i listened to it you know um i used to you know kind of like audible but you would get like tapes or DVDs i listened to it several times and then when i went to prison i read it multiple times after that i just i just loved it and then the other one is the brethren um you should read the brethren if you've

Never read The Brethren. Never read the Brethren. Oh, you've got to get it. What book have you read the most number of times in your life? Listen, the partner's up there. Oh, for real. It really is. That's why it's funny that you mentioned John Grisham.

You mentioned John Grisham. Oh, did I? I don't know. He's an innocent man. Yeah, that's right. It was you. I'm trying to think. What have I, I've read,

well I honestly there's just no way I read like I literally have read the partner multiple times probably maybe Fight Club I've actually read Catch Me If You Can probably three or four times but that's that's the most

like that maybe Fight Club maybe gosh how how fair is the Catch Me movie to the Catch Me book? Very similar okay very similar like it's one of those

kind of like Fight Club Club is literally, because it's so short, you know, it's hard to turn something like the runaway jury into two hours of film because it's really about 12 to 18 hours of film. They have to just consolidate it to such an extent that people are always going to be disappointed. But luckily, Fight Club was, you know, it's like 180 pages. Yeah.

Catch me if you can, it's like 195 pages. Like that's not that. You got to cut out some stuff. and they kind of blended some scenes together, left one or two out, and then it's great. Like, it's really a solid, solid adaptation. Well, I mean, the opposite end of the spectrum is these Harry Potter books that are like a thousand pages long

and they, you know, they make them into a movie. They're obviously going to just, you know, slice and dice it. Yeah, yeah. Well, the other thing I liked about the runaway jury is it's set in New Orleans. New Orleans is a city I like to visit. I love the food there. I like to go there. And it's very much a

geographically placed movie, right? It's important that it's there. I was down in New Orleans for some depositions a couple years back and I'm on a streetcar getting from one place to another and there's just

giant crime scene. Yellow tape everywhere. FBI cops just like crazy. I'm like, holy cow, what happened there? And I'm staring and I realize there's, there's, it's a set. They're like doing CSI New Orleans or whatever it is. I was, they were filming it on the street. I thought it was a real crime scene.

I have a New Orleans story. So, and I mentioned, it's funny, I never mentioned this. Whenever I tell my story, I don't ever really mention this. I even did a long, long version of my story on my channel and I never met. And I don't think I mentioned this. When I was on the run, because I didn't even know it while I was on the run. I didn't find this out till later when I ordered the Freedom of Information Act on my case. So at one point, I was on the run.

And me and this girl, we go on vacation, right? Because we have a lot of time on our hands. So we go to New Orleans for like a week. We do the ghost tours, you know. We didn't say on Bourbon Street. We like stayed on Royal Street. Yeah, I've stayed on Royal. There was a gallery, an art gallery, a block or two away from the hotel we stayed at.

So we go, we do whatever, we leave, you know, we hang out for a week or so, we go back, we continue doing our little scam. What ends up happening later when I research my case, I find a U.S. Marshals report that the same period of time, that we were in New Orleans, the U.S. Marshals had found, now keep in mind, I have a degree in fine arts, so I'm an artist, right? Like, I paint paintings and, you know, here, look, like, yeah, so, no, I can paint paintings. You painted that? Yeah. Are those available? Do you have a store on your, on your YouTube channel? Can people go down below and buy, buy artwork? I have an Etsy I have an Etsy account people go there and buy stuff there you go okay so I later found out when I ordered the Freedom of Information Act I found out that the marshals had found out there was

an artist named Matthew Cox who was had an exhibit that was opening in New Orleans they flew I don't know if they flew them whatever they could have been local but they they sent two U.S. marshals to the gallery and showed them a picture that the owner a picture of my me and they said is this Matthew Cox and he said I've known Matthew Cox for whatever six or seven years the artist that I'm doing the gallery with he said that is not him and they said okay and they left I was there two blocks away the same period of time and remember in the book I you know because I don't know In the book, I say, for all I know, they walked right by me and my girlfriend, you know, having a cafe or having a coffee at a cafe. Like, for all I know, like, we bummed, I don't know that that happened, but I'm saying that's how close of a call it was that I didn't even realize it until years later.

That is so unlikely. That's fantastic. Isn't it? And I didn't know. Like, I didn't even know until I'm sitting. And I was like, and here's what's funny is I was looking at the date. and I went and I actually contacted my co-defendant who had been let out by then and asked her when did we go to New Orleans and she said oh it was 2004 it no it's 2000 it was

like March of 2004 or April of 2000 she was like yeah the first week remember because she had a reason she remembered I was like oh my God that's so crazy that's also yeah that's another close call. Yeah, so that's a close call. Coburger didn't have any close calls. Like, I mean, I know he got like pulled over when he's driving from Idaho to Pennsylvania, but tailgating. He wasn't fleeing. And so it's not, it's not really a close call because they don't even have the evidence that they want to have in order to arrest him. So I have a question. How do you think he felt when he got pulled over? Oh, I mean, I'm not, I'm not going to say it on your channel because I don't want you to get demonetized, but it was, you know, it was graphic.

He must have been. Yes. It was, he had all the bodily functions. Oh, my God. Yeah, he had them all. That's rough right there, man. Is your, when you see a story like this in the news, do you think, oh, this is one I'm going to follow? I'm going to, I like, I care how this turns out, or is it just like, well, while it's in the headlines, it's interesting?

Um, like, you mean that I'm going to do on the channel that I'm going to talk about? Or just in your, like in your own mind, is it like, is this something that you latch on to and you're like, oh, I really want to know how this, how this ends? This story, not so much. It really does, you know, my interest really pulls more toward, toward some type of, um, of, of fraud. or scams like I'm interested but even then I don't typically like every day check in like what's going on what's going on and the other thing is I've especially don't do that because I have so many people that are notifying me of things oh okay yeah I have tons of people in the comment section that say hey bro did you just hear this hey Matt you should check out this and and then I'll go usually they just say hey you should check out this and I don't even know what

they're talking about. And then I'll usually comment and say, can you send me a link? So it's like, you know, if you send me a link, like the guys that I've done this with now, they kind of come back and they say, hey, this is what's going on. You should check this out. Here's a link. It's like, yes. That's awesome. That's very helpful. So, yeah. And especially if I do something on the channel, then I constantly get updates by people saying, hey, this just happened. This just happened. So, but you know, you can only do so much of something before it gets played out. And you can't do a video on every single thing that changes. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, the S, I heard that the, uh, SBF came out again, and he's still saying crazy. He's like, he's still

doing interviews. Like, you're, he must be driving his lawyer nuts. Yeah, he's, he's, he's blogging, uh, about the, the, the, the, scam and I think I'm shooting a video about that this afternoon that's going to go on my channel sometime soon because it's just completely crazy

like you can't talk while your lawyer is telling you to shut up he's not no one ever makes their situation better by speaking to the public it just doesn't he's acting like he's he's going to be

tried to a jury filled with hedge fund managers he's not he has no story to tell the public he just needs to go have his trial yeah he really needs to go in and try and just take a plea because he could save himself some you know

if he at least get a couple point two three points off for acceptance of responsibility you know and was it acceptance of responsibility and speedy plea a speedy plea. Is that what they? Yeah, it's, it's something to do with the speed. Yeah, you get like three, you get like three points, like two for acceptance and one for

sparing us having to drag this thing out. Yeah. I don't know. How can I secretly signal you that I got to go because I've got a lunch meeting I got to get to? No, that's fine. Listen, I'll talk and talk and talk. I'll, I'll, I'm a talker. Yeah. This is great for me because I'll just, you're a talker. I'm a talker. um but yeah i'm okay oh wow you went you just got it you can at least let me say goodbye so yeah and uh all right i'm good so we're good yeah um and so it's actually very interesting to talk with you you have lived an unusual life and i guarantee you that you are um a source of insight to your viewers that they're not getting anywhere else.

So I'm glad that I'm glad they're listening to you. That's the nicest way to put it. Yeah. So listen, I appreciate it. I appreciate you coming on again. And yeah, definitely. What is the name of your channel? It's called America's Attorney.

Send them over there. And to prove that they came from your channel, from the end of your video, So they need to get into my comment section and tell me how old I am, okay? What are you, 46, 48? I'm not going to say. They just need to get down there and make their guess, all right?

Okay, all right, good to know. And I appreciate you doing this, and thank you, and I will talk to you next time. Yeah, sounds great, see you. All right, see you. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching. Do me a favor and subscribe to the channel, hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this,

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what you think. Thank you. Share the video. Subscribe. You know what to do. Yeah. Are you guys getting any traction from these? We would need to go back in well, only one of them has aired. Right? The second one's airing tomorrow.

Oh, right. And I don't know when you're when you're planning to put this one out but this is the perfect test case video for me because i have a i've made my own scripted video that shot on this topic and has been up for it's it's been up for maybe uh nine days and so like it's it's it's been up for maybe uh nine days and so like it it has the life that it's going to have or is it six days it's been up for seven days and so um we you know we've played with the thumbnail we've gotten all the life out of that video we're going to get out of it and so it'll be real interesting to see if we get any traction on it after this video airs i'm real interested to see if i get

anyone who watches our interview, our discussion, and then comes over to my channel and watches the kind of dedicated, scripted thing.