Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Bank Robber Comes Clean on Robbing Armored Truck, Banks & More

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Bet this girl was messing with this Armiccar guy. He'd go to the bathroom, she'd take pictures up the trip tickets. So you'd look for the best location to whack the armica. But you need money to operate, so we hit the bank, I would hop over the counter and take all the money at the bottom drawers. No di-packs, no alarms, nobody gets hurt. Shut up and give me the money. Usually you can hit like three towels, we'd average around 50 grand.
Starting point is 00:00:17 My earliest memory that I think my interaction with crime and violence, which may or may have set me on that path, is somebody in my family made him, did something wrong to somebody. I don't know the story, but I know this at, like, two in the morning, around 1974, I was like, I was seven, I think. And someone threw a Maltov cocktail through our window, all right? Yeah, it makes me nuts even thinking about it now. So, you know, we barely survived there.
Starting point is 00:00:49 Somebody tried to erase my whole family, all right? But somebody was awake. My mother was coming home from somewhere. I seen the smoke. We just got lucky. I went tumbling down the stairs. Two of my brothers jumped out there. floor windows. My other brother jumped out off the second floor roof. And I didn't really
Starting point is 00:01:05 quite understand. I remember somebody picked me up and carried me. It could have been a fireman. And I remember as he's carrying me, I look over and the flames are shooting so far out the house. They're looking at the high power lines, all right? And it was so bad, it burnt down the house next door. The firefighters had to run over there and get those people out. And I got the article somewhere. I went and got it. And so we moved to another side of a province knit on the south side, right? And a couple years later, they found this guy dead drowning. What happened to him, I do not know it was just a kid.
Starting point is 00:01:41 My mother's dead now. I know she rubbed shoulders with a lot of the wise guys and stuff. Did I have anything to do with it? No. Was it a good sound for the story? Yeah, of course. But I don't know what happened. I know they found that prick dead.
Starting point is 00:01:52 I remember him celebrating when I came home from school one day. I'm like, what's going on? He's dead, that bastard's gone, you know, something like that. No, I didn't really know my mother had no nurturing skills at all. She had a rough life. I don't hold it against her. But she didn't, I really didn't have a mother or a father. But for a brief time after the fire, let me say this.
Starting point is 00:02:11 Now, I'm really putting stuff out there, but it's no secret around here. My mother became a lesbian. She was dating a rich lesbian. That rich lesbian got us to a nice house. Then one of my brothers started robbing the neighborhood. And we had a Jewish feeling. It was like a Jewish area. Even the street left out when it was George Kipling Street.
Starting point is 00:02:27 It's off the 11th Avenue section. I got to tell you this story because it's interesting. So, one day the cops made a house, a bunch of stolen stuff in the neighborhoods in our garage. The Jewish people, they put together something, put together a petition. I didn't understand what was going on. And then I knew later when I got older. The neighborhood petition, they get us the hell out of the neighborhood. And I laugh now, but damn.
Starting point is 00:02:53 And back to the west side we went A block away from where the house fire happened Oh, I forgot to leave, I left this part of my grandma My foster grandma and an Irish woman Maybe O'Donnell Was really the only one who raised us So I was 10 by the time we got to Crancer Street in the west side She died, that's it, it was over
Starting point is 00:03:13 I had nobody looking out for me, no one's paying attention I didn't go to school I started running the streets, I'm 10 You know, I'm surviving on my own basically I mean it was you could eat heated the house or stuff like me and my brothers lived on a dirt floor we had no running water or heat up there the second floor was where my fostered man father and my sister my mother would occasionally stay you know that was weird that was a house so to speak the dirt floor it reminded me of an old western hotel uh i mean you're watching a while
Starting point is 00:03:39 west movie right but a bunch of old raggedy rickety doors the house was sold i had the kerosene um a cop uh brass things in the wall when they used to light it for light you for electricity all right This house was condemned and they tore it down. But that's where it began for me. When I embraced the streets, I was in, like, the fifth grade. There was a lounge in my neighborhood. I didn't go to the talk. But anyway, let me back it up.
Starting point is 00:04:04 So I was 10. I was going to middle school, but because we were poor. You know, poor in those days, in the early age and assemblies, it's a little different when they say poor now. Now they tell you they're poor with Jordan's on. You know, I had to whip sneakers, the dirty clothes, and the kids would laugh at me. And I didn't tolerate that.
Starting point is 00:04:25 It had a reaction on me. I responded with violence. You know, fistfight, smash a guy with something, the bottle. I say a guy, but I was a kid. But I learned the wrong way, obviously, how to get respect. But we know now it's false respect. When they're using violence to shut people up, I had to shut them kids up. I couldn't, I walk in school, they're snickering by my back.
Starting point is 00:04:48 And what a feeling that left me. I didn't understand any of that. but I used a little bit of violence and I got respect. People would shut their mouth now when I walked by, but that was fair and it wasn't real respect, of course. Yeah. And, you know, I was doing the things kids were doing in the seas.
Starting point is 00:05:02 By 11, you know, we'd grab beer off the beer truck when it was unloading into the bar, copper off another van, maybe it's unable to do something, stealing car batteries, car radios. Then I graduated to the hub caps and eventually the whole car. So by 13, you could say, is when I really entered the life.
Starting point is 00:05:20 crime because I had a couple of brothers that were pimps they pimp girls all right so I grew up around a lot of hookers I wake up and bed I got a hook up taking a break from the street you know I'm a little kid hey cut it out dean get off me you know just a little kid but these they were like older sisters to me all right group around a lot of hookers and uh hustlers so in our third floor was a naval hangout crap games dope fiends in another room you open another door is a trick with a hooker a mob guy might come up looking for a guy who did something wrong the cops were rigged the joint it's a great place for a kid who embraced the streets, I'll tell you that. I loved it there.
Starting point is 00:05:53 I had my own little room with a paddle-lock, you know. I had a, the house was brutal, though. You can hear the rats crawling around at night. Inside my stereo with a needleless cockaroach's house. Brutal, right? What, it was mine. The stolen TV on top of the radio, all that. So I had me in a little room.
Starting point is 00:06:10 In some ways, it was the best thing as a kid, but obviously it's the worst. Because look at the behaviors I was learning. You know, acquiring my own stuff through stealing. I didn't call it mine. I'd steal it kind of act like it was mine. So I would mimic my first time driving on around 12. I mimic my mother. I would steal her car at night, driving around a little bit.
Starting point is 00:06:28 Eventually, I learned to steal her car. Now, on to, there was a lounge in my neighborhood. The firefighter's lounge, and I needed to hang in there because of pinball machines. It was like a den of criminals around there, wise guys, all kind of deep sitting out of there. There was two of Nayses lounge up the street, too. The guy didn't want me in there. He can't, you know, then one day I looked at his car. I had America in Montego.
Starting point is 00:06:49 He needed tires. And this is when I started becoming wise Like Actually I got four teenage tires out there for you So I gave him the tires He let me hang it And that became my second home And I think from near
Starting point is 00:07:02 I went from bad to worst That's when I meet all those Different characters You know And I started I started doing burglies with a guy Did that for a while But for some reason What happened also to me
Starting point is 00:07:15 If I can continue to ramble on this topic I was going to the juvenile training school, which I think I went at 13 for the first time. But I just could not stand being in the cage. So every time I got a chance, I escaped. I escaped like four times. Now, I don't make it look like this big grand escape. These are like minimum security type levels. You'd have to wait to get out of maximum security. But still, the main thing is if you could make it from Cranston all the way back to Providence on foot and beat the Cranston police. That was like people would bet on you. Soon you're money. I'll bet you if 10 dollars you don't
Starting point is 00:07:48 make it. I made it every time through the city. to my city. That was the thing. Hide in behind fees, I'm the cars, all kind of nonsense to make it home. But each time I escaped, I'd come back with a felony attack. The first time, I think it was a B and East One car. Next time, second time,
Starting point is 00:08:05 something else, third time was an armed robbery. I was graduating. I'd go to what they called the YCC. That was the real prison for juveniles. Youth Correctional Center. But I'm going to tell you what happened. This is what I believe. This is interesting. On my third escape
Starting point is 00:08:19 What I was doing I hated the door I was a very internal kid and quiet And I went to a lot with the staff there I was just driving my stolen car Up to the train school Leaving drugs Of certain spots for guys
Starting point is 00:08:33 Anybody want to leave One day I'm sitting in the car I got like a 30 38 on me The staff was unit I was just walking by me Looking at me I'm like that's right you motherfucker Right
Starting point is 00:08:42 Anybody want to do something now I was something long with me Yeah Because they hurt my brother There's a lot of reasons why I did that that I can't really put together. But I needed to snub my nose at a dory, and I did. But those tricks got even. I'm going to tell you what they did to me.
Starting point is 00:08:57 Can I ask you a question real quick? How old were you? At that time, this is between 14. I was 14 with three escapes. I did a whole year, and I escaped when I was 16. And this is where the real trouble began. And this is what they did to me. When I was 14, calling up to the training school, stubbing my nose at him,
Starting point is 00:09:19 it took me a while to pick this apart to realize what happened. Because really, all right, so anyway, I escaped for the fourth time. By this time, my aggression was getting more, my anger was growing. And I started doing armed robberies around my state. Stealing cars, driving around powder around my neck. I thought I was fucking John Dillinger. I was reading a lot of Dillinger books and probably had an impact. I mean, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:09:43 You're going to do something. something will shape you. I was being shaped by these books and these films I think. It's the only best thing I get thick of what would make me do this, commit this type of behavior. Also, like, from feeling like a nobody.
Starting point is 00:09:55 Because when you're in a little prison like that, I'm watching all these kids get visits. Their families bring them stuff. I'm watching their mothers walk by. It's the fuck everybody's happy. I'm in that fucking cell. No mother showing up, no nothing. The fucking anger I can put in you is unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:10:09 And when you come out of you, the kids have a way to make me feel like, I don't know. Actually, you're doing it to yourself, I guess. But you feel like a shit, like a nobody or something. I'll show them. I'm somebody. The thing is, the kids are impressed with stuff like cops bringing me back with a shotgun one time.
Starting point is 00:10:27 You know, God of me. Then I was a somebody, right? So I would be a bad guy to be a somebody, I guess, right? But to get back to what I was trying to say, so on the fourth escape, I did a bunch of robies, kind of a bunch of high-speed chasers, which I talked about in other videos. I kept getting away. I was developing this reputation.
Starting point is 00:10:43 I'm a somebody now. In fact, the biggest day of my crime, my career as a kid, was when they put me in a post up. Well, people don't know before social media, you know, why I pitch we were going to post off? I was 16, and then the post office was like, yeah, you're a motherfucker's I did it. That's crazy, right? But unbelievable. Oh, I say, yeah. So, I don't know if I can use this word.
Starting point is 00:11:06 So I'm a punk kid running out of a gun. I go to rob a bank deposit bag in these providence. The guy resisted, and I popped them a couple times, okay? I'm not proud of that innocent guy But I've been in fucking trouble now You mean punched him I shot him I don't know if I could say to where he's shot
Starting point is 00:11:23 Well he actually brought the money back home I ring the bell He looks at this little I can have a half pint criminal or a gun He gave me the money And whatever I said to him was the bag Right away he threw a shot This fuck
Starting point is 00:11:36 And I'll tell you this I tell people this story A lot of people I find some of this stuff hard to bleed So down here I'm in his house There's a driveway. That's like a one-way main street.
Starting point is 00:11:47 I think it's a waterman a half, I think, right? He rings the, I ring the bell. He comes to the door. It just so happened. The way he grabbed me, I put it in his belly and shot him at a state triple road by. Like, oh, shit, there's no way he didn't see that. So now I run on the guy's yard.
Starting point is 00:12:03 There's a big wall. You can't go anywhere. Now, the cop can go down the road and go because all these backyards are open like cement. I'm thinking he's going to come around. This guy's y' out with a gun. Where's the cop? I don't know. That's what you get from not planning the crime.
Starting point is 00:12:16 I learned a lot from there how to plan crimes after. I trapped myself, and even realize it. That trooper could have happened because I got a highway here, the guy's backyard, and a big wall. Well, I couldn't even go anywhere. It was so stupid, right? But the trooper didn't come. I run back to the guy.
Starting point is 00:12:29 He's now staggering around the street. Again, he throws another punch. I shot him. They went up his arm, tortured his artery. Now it's a big racket. People are in their windows. What's going on? I screw.
Starting point is 00:12:41 But now I'm really wanted. Of course. A couple more high-speed chases. Back then, everybody used to listen to their police scam. So I'm like this neighborhood guy, hero, getting away from the cops all the time. People protected their criminals a little more than you can run to everybody's backyard and go in a house, stuff like that. Those days were quickly going over.
Starting point is 00:12:58 This was like 1983, oh, 16. But anyway, on to what I really want to tell you is this. So when you escape from the training school and you go back, especially coming back, now we've got armed, robbery, shooting, stolen cars. They're supposed to put you in a maximum security. for a long time before they allow you into a minimum security. But, no, you know what? I got a kid.
Starting point is 00:13:20 You're also a kid, though. Yeah, I'm a kid. I think I messed up on the time in here. No. I got to go back to my, the third escape. When I came back from the third escape, I came back for an armed robbery. I'm sorry, I got to back this up. I came back from an armed robbery.
Starting point is 00:13:35 And the judge warned me, he says, Mr. Wilkins, and you realize two, because I was charged with the escape, and I'm robbery. He goes, two felonies after the, um, after age of 16, you're going to be tried as an adult, right? Yeah, Your Honor, right. I'm sorry, I'm messing this up. I had one escape. I had one more felony to go to mess up, all right?
Starting point is 00:13:56 He goes, one more felony could be waved out. Okay. But I had came back for armed and they were supposed to put me in a max end. What they did was they put me right in the middle security type no one I was going to take off. I think it was like paid back for going up there and doing that shit to them and rubbing it in their face. Of course I did what I do. I escaped. Everybody's like, ha ha, asshole, you're going to prison now. Sure enough, I escaped again, committed all those crimes. Now, I can't blame them, but I think they set me up for that to, we'll fix you a little ass. I want to compare with a pistol and threaten us, and that's what happened. I escaped. Instead of being in the maximum security, I couldn't run, I went for it, came back with all those charges. It took five days. They had an emergency hearing, and I was so ignorant, I didn't really know exactly what was going on. I went to family caught, right? The judge said you lose a lot of illegal terminology. Now, I know the potential for going to prison day
Starting point is 00:14:46 in the back of my head. And so I don't even know what the hell they said. I go downstairs with the sheriff, the marshal back then. So I go to go right to the juvenile. I say, I don't know. You're an adult and I'll act like one. And that's how I know I was going to the kid's in, right? Everybody asked you how scared, was you?
Starting point is 00:15:04 No, just saying the tough guy thing. It's an ignorant thing. I wasn't as scared as you would think. Is there a fear that year? Yeah, okay. but I was overconfid because I'm full of pissing pinnaker. A guy that's probably 23 would be more afraid than the kid that's 16. Not because the kid's tougher because he's more ignorant.
Starting point is 00:15:20 Like, I can handle my fucking self. You tell yourself that. When you're mature enough to nowhere jump against, you're like, oh, fuck, you know. And so often you take center I went at 16 years old, 1983. Prisoners across the country were gladiated schools back then. Not like now, all these cameras, they come running into the colds and stuff. back then you're on your own. And so that's how I ended up a prison to it.
Starting point is 00:15:43 So, I'm in a cell. First thing they did, I didn't know what they were doing. They were fucking with me, and I didn't know why, right? They put me in a cell with a black dude. They didn't do that back then. But I didn't know any better. Just so happens, I know a lot of black dudes from South Side. He was a good kid.
Starting point is 00:15:59 Other people understand. What are they doing that kid? Why is he in that guy's cell? The God comes in my cell a couple times. No, first, I'm drinking a hot chocolate. I'm like a punk cat. I'm trying to watch the TV through the door. Now, this is a new modular system
Starting point is 00:16:12 where you see these new buildings with the little windows. This is when they started building those types of buildings instead of just the bars and the maximum security. So you got these pods. Anyway, I'm looking at the TV on my fucking rocking my feet on the cop-bug looking. The guy gets in front of me on the rail
Starting point is 00:16:29 and on in front. I'm like, oh, back then we called him Screw or heck. I said, hey, screw. You're in my way. He looks back at me like, you motherfucker turns out. I jumped down. Hey, you know what? He comes in the cell. If there's got anything extra in the end, you flogging sheets in here. Like, now, what are you looking for that for? He leaves.
Starting point is 00:16:47 I guess what's going on? It comes back. You said, you got nothing X in here or there? I'm like, what the hell? The black dude said, you must have, now keep in mind. There been a bunch of robberies all over the place. Right? So, I said to him, he got a excuse me, I'll also dray. So, when the door
Starting point is 00:17:02 popped, I said, I said, I'm going to talk to this back. I said Excuse me One of my crimes involved With something you with your family son Come on the hallway As soon as he said this I wasn't worried
Starting point is 00:17:16 He goes first of all I got nine years of karate under my belt I'll never forget that Who he said then I said alright I ain't worried about this fucking guy He's fucking foyer You're gonna tell me that Instead of just fucking cracking me
Starting point is 00:17:28 I'm all right But I couldn't believe it You're not gonna believe this That was my father you shot how do you like that I shot his father and the robbery that was his dad
Starting point is 00:17:38 the son worked at the internet I couldn't believe it right well you got really lucky there huh no so I said I did not yes I'm winning this guy his cell block
Starting point is 00:17:47 he had a different name first of all so when he came in the seals at the front would he get no you call that when you come in the front there
Starting point is 00:17:53 when you first come in sallyport not the sallyport not yeah not the sallyport we come in when you get the committing room right and they're asking me you know dyes
Starting point is 00:18:01 you know dyes are saying the guy's name no I thought they were on the name I know. I was a kid. I'm looking around. I'm in prison now, right? So the guy, they busted my balls a little bit. I got a couple of beeps. They put the handcuffs up. I was a little kid. Nobody really wanted to beat up a little kid. I'm 118 pounds. I'm about 5.3. It was around Christmas time. I tried to escape on time. There was a mob guy in my vent. It was Christmas time.
Starting point is 00:18:28 They're busting our balls playing Christmas music over the speaker. I tried to break. I was so small. I could fit through that narrow window. It's all different now. They put bars up and everything because in fences. Back there was no fences. They just figured no man could fit up, but they didn't anticipate a little skinny kid, right? Almost got out of there. But anyway, I had a little bit of ball busting, but not what you would think for shooting SEAL's father, right? And on some time when I was there for nine months. I ended up catching like 65 years all concurrent with 10, 10 to serve, 10 suspended for all these different robberies. That was a lot of time considered in those days. Catch 10 years at 16. Everybody was like, oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:19:03 God, of course, they just throw that out, you know, like it's nothing. But on the day I left, I'll never forget. I was leaving the maximum security. And everybody's looking at it, like, don't worry, kid, your punishment is going to max for security. Anyway, now, I also had a brother in prison at the time, a little older than me. He was in the high security for stabbing somebody in Max already. So I went to the God. I said, listen, I appreciate how you maintain.
Starting point is 00:19:25 Whatever I said to him, you know, all considering everything that happened. I did say that to the guy, and he shook my hand. because he looked at it like it's just a punk kid lost in the streets whatever, you know? I think that's how I can't speak for him, but I think he's summed it up like that and I acknowledged that I was a punk kid in the street because prison has a way of
Starting point is 00:19:42 maturing you real quick. You learn real fast in prison how to behave and conduct yourself, right? Or else and so I can remember being in a segregation at the intake center, right? I'm 16 I got no fight, I'm in the hole. Now when you're in the hole there at that time
Starting point is 00:19:59 you can see maximum security and a little bit of high security. I can see my brother in the yard off the distance because they've got this big compound, it's different here. But occasionally, there'd be something erupted and maximum security, right? And I'm in my cell one day, just fucking smoke, state police on the wall with guns, right? And guys that that know what's going on, probably on their radio, because I don't know none of this stuff. There's a riot, guy can stand. They got the whatever they were yelling, right? I'm like a kid. I'm like, that's where you're going, kid. Jesus Christ. I got a man. I got a magazine, I'd roll it up a fucking, I don't know what I'm doing.
Starting point is 00:20:34 I'm like, Jesus, Trump, and I'm fixing it like I got a knife, you know what I'm saying? I'm just trying to get ready. I'm psyching myself to get ready because it does have prisoners of old maximum security that those cold, unforgiving or whatever I like to say, right? And I know I'm heading there. And so I'd practice like that. And so anyway, I finally go, all your hair was good lie. I walked for the gate.
Starting point is 00:20:54 I was 17, though. I remember the guard, he lets him in. He got one last gate to go to, like, this shock cage before you go in. He's like, how old are you? I'm like, 17. He says, good luck in there, kid. Slams the door, right? And back then, we had street clothes, right?
Starting point is 00:21:07 And a lot of guys had street clothes. So I worked in with my street clothes. The joint was nuts, right? Very few gods. There was those little skeleton crew. I walk in, guys, and the first thing I see he's all the black dude in the corner. He's like a nut, and he's like, eh.
Starting point is 00:21:20 I said, really? I go near the first cell, it's like a closet. You had those metal mop ringers back then. But he's like a nut, right? He's looking at me. I'm like, no god. And then he's, and he's looking at me. have what they call a crossover, which all the cells open, guys can come in and run
Starting point is 00:21:34 all around, run rampant to every cell block. Back then it was like that. And so some guys come to draw new. But anyway, you know, they told me this is not, don't worry about it. I'll never forget I'm walking through the cell block. They were my cell block. These group of guys, you know, white guys, you're probably Providence guys, and they're looking. And they got street clothes out of me. I said, hey, kid, what are you doing here? You from the visit? They thought I was in a visit. It was my visit and somehow going to the prison. I said, no, I'm in here. You're in here. Jesus Christ, look at this kid. That sounds like this little, everybody's looking at me, right?
Starting point is 00:22:07 And, you know, so these guys, well, back then we didn't have gangs in there. We got them now, but we had where we had crews, and our neighborhoods would sit together. You had a chair. No one would touch your chair. Other guys didn't have any of the day. You have to stand up and eat. I kid you're not, oh, wait until you were done. It was weird. But we all, you sit with this table from there. I sat with the West End guys, which included Federal Hill, all the mob guys. West End was a tough little part of town.
Starting point is 00:22:30 So I had some of the best guys I'm around. But, so they're going to look out for me. But you've got to be able to stand up for yourself or nobody's going to help you, right? And of course, I've told the story before. My first interaction in there with a guy, I worked in a print shop, all right? I had a few fights in between, but now I'm in maximum security. You're going to step your game up, right? I'm a hale this little boy.
Starting point is 00:22:54 Let's face it. Right? So, you know, there's predators looking in the wings. You know, they see if you're going to need. back and stuff like that. But also it's small, so I knew a lot of the old times, black and white. I grew up in the West Side with his black and whites, right? And I knew a lot of old times.
Starting point is 00:23:10 There was a very few Spanish back then. It was like five Spanish guys in the old prison back then, right? And about this big scot-up guy, the typical, you could put him in the background scene of a prison movie, right? Get that look. And had like a little break room. I go in here, I make a coffee. I open the door, there's a milk.
Starting point is 00:23:29 I grab it. Put it in the coffee, right? Hey, using my fucking milk. I didn't tell you can use my fucking milk. So what the fuck you're talking about, Joey? Smushes me in the fucking face, right? I got no weapon on me. I love my lesson.
Starting point is 00:23:43 Big guy, I can't take it with my hands. All right. Okay, Joe. Sorry. When you do that to me, like, that's it. Got to get you, right? I have to get you now. One way or another.
Starting point is 00:23:54 She's sort of next morning. He lives in the cell next to me, too. Now, keep in mind. Some of the gods we knew, someone will. corrupt. We knew this corrupt guy. He was good to us, right? You can see me in the mirror. I sneak out of my soul in life. I go and Joe's cell, right? This is my first hit in the joint. I don't really know what I'm doing. He's like, oh, Dean, bing. The fuck on that song. You're doing that in my blog. Come on, man. This is me and the fuck from God talking, all right? To see you. It's a screw back then.
Starting point is 00:24:22 So, right, Johnny, what the fuck? It's fucking weird this place at the time. Go back on my cell. we go to work and these guys were playing card. I knew they were going to play cards. They do every day up there in the print shop. And the guy that hit me, he does these metal plates where you take a picture of them and you put it on a machine,
Starting point is 00:24:40 then you use it in the printer, the print stuff, like an old print machines, right? I forget exactly what you call it, but he makes these plates. I'm on this side of him where my machine is. The card games on the other side of them. So I told these guys, do me a favor. In 10 minutes, call me over to take your hand because you're going to use the bathroom. I had this pipe
Starting point is 00:24:57 strapped to the side of me hanging down i took the handle off an old hyalberg press the funny thing is i told the story and i watched this movie a day called seven with um well smith right in the movie he gives the girl his print machine we used to call his print machine the beast it was like from the eighteenth it was a letter grab straight we used to call it that's the beast in the movie's going he gives a machine goes that's the beast and and he saw him put the handle on the very handline that I use. It was the weirdest thing years later to see this in a movie, right? I took them off, hung it on my side. Thing, well, take my hand. So I wanted this guy to, because the kid just walked behind anybody in prison, right? Right. Somehow I got it off. And I fucking from downtown.
Starting point is 00:25:39 Now, all things considered, not a lot of damage is considered in the maximum security. But I'm a little kid. I bust his head open. He starts screaming, blood in his eye. He can't really do anything because of blood. I'm whack him in the face a couple times, dancing around. I had to hide the pipe under the sink. Back then, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he's say X-ray or something, a few guards come. And he's like, no, this big goon squad. Well, there was a goon squad, but it took a lot to get him up there. They come up in there.
Starting point is 00:26:02 And he's screaming how, like dry snitches, what we call it. And I only got a little, nothing. He goes, Dean, look at you. Fucking blood all. Now, I tell you this is the best part of the story is not me hitting the guy in the head. I'm not trying to brag about that. I'll tell you out what it is to be a little kid to step up. Now, what I did to him wasn't shit.
Starting point is 00:26:21 I mean, you guys are getting fucking lit on fire, stabbed in the neck you know that that was nothing but people say how the kid got it in him he's a good kid right that type of thing so we go out they leading down the stairs of the print of the industrial building when i get to the yard you got to run you got around the fucking cons was old cons from like the 40s and 50 someone wore those fucking hats with the conductor's hats from the train that's right kid you got that it was the moment i know how to explain it because it was the old time cons like everybody was like watching me without watching. I don't know. All the opiators are a kid in there. Keep an eye on that
Starting point is 00:26:56 poor care. Let me show nobody bought that type of thing, right? And so I'm walking through the yelling a little celebrity and everybody's a kid all the way to the car. Even the cops. The screws were like, yeah, he got what he deserved that. I only got 15 days in a hole. And I'm in the sick next to the guy, right? The fucking place was nuts back then. There was an old mom guy named Rudy, which everybody around here knows. He's passed away now. But this is my introduction he had my best is uh my introduction to him he comes from the yard the kind of power the mob guys had the control of the prison back then right meant i failed to say we didn't have gangs but the mob had all the control i'd be booing when i tell you they ran in the fucking prison for a less
Starting point is 00:27:36 and he comes down to the hole and he brought a black dude as a representative you know to show respect to them and uh they go to that guy's cell you don't bother that fucking kid if you do you are all the i found out of lincoln i say kid you did the right fucking thing Don't worry about it. There'll be no repercussions. Thank you, Mr. Scuilar. I was fucking so happy to meet this guy, right? And that was it. That was my introduction to this man.
Starting point is 00:27:59 And I started to rub shoulders with those guys. I went from bad to worst. While I was on and run at 16 before I shot, which is how I ended up shooting that man in the robbery. I had stole $1,000 in a diamond ring, right? I was 16, just committed. I was not opportunists. I commit crime.
Starting point is 00:28:19 If I'm driving by your fucking house in a snowstorm And I see you backing out of your driveway And you got a fence You got a gate He's gonna have to shut the gate I jump out of my car Wait for you to go shut your gate Jump in your car and screw
Starting point is 00:28:32 If it's a woman I take a pile It was a little asshole But anyway So I got a thousand dollars And a big dime a ring like that And so What the hell brought me to Chris So I'm down in my own neighbor
Starting point is 00:28:47 The cops are looking for me I got this money on me But it was summertime I had a coat This kid I know is my kids Come up the street I tell this girl This is a family I know They're friends of mine
Starting point is 00:28:58 I just can you take my coat I can't It's too hard out I'm on the run I have to leave my clothes And I got clothes on everybody's house You know how it goes right So
Starting point is 00:29:04 I left the money in my coat She brings the coat back To me pulling money out This kid sees it I didn't I wasn't thinking Plus I thought everybody feared me I was a little
Starting point is 00:29:13 You know A little full of myself right I got the diamond on me A thousand dollars The kid knows Everyone knows I got a stolen car somewhere. I always have one or a few blocks away, right? Dean, give me a ride, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:29:24 Okay, well, I walk with him. We go up to Clancy Street. There's two other black dudes. I'm older dudes. These guys are like 18, 19. I'm 16. I see a detective's car coming. When you were hood them in the street, you can see a cop 10 miles away.
Starting point is 00:29:36 Oh, that's a cop. Let me dip in a sidewalk. I'm driving by. I go in his backyard. The cop goes, detectors go. It's probably looking for me. I'm wanted now. But this is before the shooting.
Starting point is 00:29:46 So. This kid told the other two kids about the money, right? I come out. I should have been paying attention. No, I think about it, but they're like, ding, we need a ride too. And it's not uncommon. Guys, I got a stone car. These guys want to go to different parts of the town.
Starting point is 00:30:01 Ding, it was a ride. Okay. So we started walking. And next thing you know, I'm getting fucking mugged in my own neighbor. They cut me for my thousand dollars. They didn't get that ring. And they know it's on now. What happened to honor among faves?
Starting point is 00:30:15 No, these kids weren't my friends. And I should have known. I just didn't know why. They weren't my friends, right? They ain't got no fucking money. These guys can't get no money. They're fucking petty hustles on the street. A thousand dollars in 1983.
Starting point is 00:30:26 All three and them could go shopping with that. You know what I'm saying? They were jealous of me, first of all. They didn't have the balls to do what I was doing. You know, all total, I had like five grand of me. If you count the ring, the ring was a massive ring, right? I don't really know. If it was about three grand or three grand, if I remember.
Starting point is 00:30:40 So I only four grander. They didn't get the ring. They jumped me on. Right away, I had an old Mustang at the time. I used to steal new cars, but this time. Some of the other had a little Mustang. And I ran to it and I fucking ram down. I tried to run them over.
Starting point is 00:30:52 They jumped up on a porch. I were crashing to a porch. I'll be back you, motherfuckers. And you know what I'm coming back. They talk shit on the way to. Go get your gun. We don't get my fuck.
Starting point is 00:31:01 I don't know why I didn't even have a gun on me at the time, actually. Because I had all my money. I was settled in. The cops are looking for me. So I would dip into a neighborhood leave, dip into a neighborhood leave, go see friends. I was always on the move. They caught me on the move like that.
Starting point is 00:31:13 I, excuse me. They robbed me. So I go to my friend on the project. First, I get a rifle, like a 22 rifle of scope. I'm going to get on this building in the neighborhood because I know where these kids are going to be. I'm going to fucking sniping from this roof. This story's ridiculous. I come back.
Starting point is 00:31:30 So I got powder. I got my neck. I got the rifle stick. A fucking sweatpants in the back seat. I go into the store. I got to get my cigarettes. Powder. Cigarettes and weight.
Starting point is 00:31:39 Boom, right? Fucking. So I come on in the fucking store. I don't know where I stole this car. There's three. Asian guys around the car. This is when Asians first started coming to that community. I mean, my stories are ridiculous, I know.
Starting point is 00:31:55 I saw this anger in their face. Currently, I stole one of the cars or a relative's car. Like, what are you doing with this car that's saying? I'm like, wait a minute. I think I know. I'm talking right. I grabbed the fucking wife. Get their fuck out of it.
Starting point is 00:32:07 It was like a scene in Vietnam. They're all running through the field. Why I ain't getting the fucking car, I don't know, but I'm in my neighborhood now. I think I'm in my old neighborhood. Keep in mind, the last time I remember, I knew. the people. I can run through their yacht. Hey, Dean. Cops are chasing me. Oh, you know, fuck, right? That's all it was. I didn't realize
Starting point is 00:32:23 I'd been away for a year. Everything had changed. I got this fucking rifle. I'm running through the neighborhood yards. These people are, oh my God. This black guy can do, shut the fuck up. And I'm threatening people. I'm running through me. Cops are fucking everywhere. So I retarded in the neighbor with a gun. Right? I ran like by four
Starting point is 00:32:39 people with a gun, the barrel sticking on, thinking the sweatpants ain't hiding it. Now I'm going to screw. I hide the rifle. I end up finding it. I hit under a porch. Cops everywhere, my friend, two kids I know come by in a fucking dirt bike, I jump on there, I stroll. Go back the next day. I'm getting these guys. I got to get them. So, oh yeah, there's a reason I'm telling you this story. So I take the ring, I drive up to, you know, several miles away to another town where I know a guy.
Starting point is 00:33:06 That's actually where I live now in Johnston. A couple streets away, mind you. I go to my friend's house. Now I'm on the move quickly. I want some powder, I want some money, and I need a gun. I got a diamond. Basically, give me that stuff, hold the diamond, we'll sell the score later. Now, I know he's only giving me like $1,000 with this shit. Later on, Wilson Row resolve it. All right, do you know problem.
Starting point is 00:33:27 I go back, down to the neighborhood. Now I got a brand new Monte Carl. I always had a brand new stolen car. I don't know what the fuck I think I was, but that's what I did. I come around, they're all on the fence like a little bird. Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, shoot the whole fucking place up. I can't fucking hit knock the side of a fucking barn. That night, I'm hiding in the woods.
Starting point is 00:33:47 My point is I went fucking berserk in this neighborhood. My old neighbor, it's like not my neighborhood anymore. You know when you're a kid, you think it's your neighborhood. Not anymore, kid. Now it's their neighborhood. You mother, I'm chasing one down the street. It goes into, I go into this bar, it's all black, right? I thought he ran in there.
Starting point is 00:34:03 I'm like this. Everyone's looking at me, but no one dares. But I ain't gonna go in the back and get trapped. So I hold my breath to see if I can hear him breathing. So nothing. I leave, but I'm causing such a disturbance. The cops keep coming. This bastard, we're gonna get him.
Starting point is 00:34:16 it. We're going to get them. A couple of our incidents. I chased one kid through the laundromat. I could have shot him to the window, but the old lady who I knew my whole life, right? She happened to be standing there. She's looking at me like, Dean, please don't do that. I could have shot the kid through the car. He was doing this whole ring around the roads. You, motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:34:32 You're all dead. I'm threatening him. I could have shot him to the window of the car. Then she's looking at me. All these little things were almost like God was trying to intervene or something, right? I don't know. And I didn't want to do that to her. My sister, we all knew this woman. My sister here to show me, oh, I know what she's talking about. And she's just a nice ladies like,
Starting point is 00:34:46 Dean, please don't do that. This fuck is your motherfucker. I'll catch you. So there's a lot of that going on. It's weird when it's your neighbor there's people you know and stuff like that, you know. A couple of the incidents happened
Starting point is 00:34:57 that fucking allude me now, but I just kept going back down there popping up from different areas chasing one guy, shooting at this guy, just three of my couldn't get the... One of them had a shotgun waiting for me. He ended up getting caught.
Starting point is 00:35:09 He ended up getting caught. The shotgun and going to the feds. So what a mess this became. Okay, on I go. this story. So eventually they trapped me in this area in it. Oh, it's on Silver Lake and Alford Project. Well, you guys don't know what that is, but it's still on the west side. I get, I get pinched. Five days later, I'm in prison. So when I'm in prison, I'm 16. I don't really have nobody. Nobody's, you know. My sister's not around. It's probably my only visit at the time.
Starting point is 00:35:38 So I really had nothing. Nobody. But I had my, I called the train of school. They had like $250 of mine. I said, listen, you guys, come don't stop that cigarette. I got nobody in here. The council was pretty cool because, oh, man, they felt bad. They sent me my $250, right? I called the kid with the diamond. I know I got at least a grandcom, and you're going to buy stuff. I'm a kid in a can lost in this world.
Starting point is 00:35:59 I call this fucking guy, Billy. He's like, you know what the fuck you're talking about? I said, you send me mine with my cut. What's he doing? Because my sister, $50 this motherfucker fucking gave him. After all I benched, you're going to rob me. None one among thieves, like you said earlier. All right, so I forgot about it.
Starting point is 00:36:20 Three years later, he came to the can. Now, when I was a kid, I looked up to this guy. I thought he was like a tough guy. He sold drugs. But I'm now hot and con. This kid's like a little fucking broad to me. Now, excuse the way. So I already stabbed the guy and went to high security.
Starting point is 00:36:34 I'm a fucking psycho. And, you know, Max, something comes over in your women in these presents, right? When they're in the middle of it. I'm 19, though. He comes in. You know what I'm mad at him. You know, he knows like a little kid to me. It's weird.
Starting point is 00:36:46 Send me some money and send me a few dollars I could not let it go Here it is three years later He kept asking me for vans I got some vials for you I'll see you at lunch He had to come out a certain way
Starting point is 00:36:59 Now you don't want to get seeing Back and then you could stab a guy And get away with it All right so I'm trying to get away with it I'm going to get this guy And I had a piece of toilet paper With nothing in it That's all
Starting point is 00:37:09 Here don't open it yet He goes How many's in there five or six I'm going I'm looking around It was a perfect time And so as he's like, right in the fucking neck, I got the guy, right? We used to make these weapons.
Starting point is 00:37:21 It's weird. Those razors that are like utility razors, guys, you know, you always had these crafty guys. They'd make a weapon on. They'd take two pieces of wood. They would run a screw, through. I don't know how the guy did it. And the razor would come out of the wood sideways.
Starting point is 00:37:34 You could stab a guy and cut him with him. I ended up ripping him here and ripping through his jaw, right? And I did some damage tone, right? I didn't really know if I was done. Just hit him in the neck and I ripped it up, right? and then nothing happened that for us
Starting point is 00:37:47 like a rabid he jumped up on this little wall and all of a sudden it opened like a fucking he took off I'll never forget
Starting point is 00:37:53 I don't know why I say this and ain't funny but I've ever seen the end of Fred Friendstone he's trying
Starting point is 00:37:56 to get in the fucking house and both feet and both hands are hitting the fucking go out and Fred
Starting point is 00:38:01 they remind you in that I don't know why that case but he's like what what's the fuck
Starting point is 00:38:07 right I hate to laugh at it I don't think it's a funny matter but I put him with everything
Starting point is 00:38:12 so anyway They charged me They told me that night I got a murder charge They said you said you severed his artery I didn't know what an audit They told me he died right I'm like what the fuck
Starting point is 00:38:24 Now believe this and not I'm such a fucked up kid at the time Yeah I'm a little worried about the murder But I'm a kid with a body in the can motherfuckers It's a weird thing man Becoming that guy Right it's fucking
Starting point is 00:38:35 I'm so far removed from that now I can't believe it I didn't give a fuck Because I was so fucked up And so lost I had no body buddy. I was robbing guys in the can to survive. I just didn't give a fuck, right? There was some concern. But anyway, they were trying to get me to rat. We know you're
Starting point is 00:38:50 doing it alone. Oh, fuck you, fuck you. I go to high security. I'm in a fucking cell. They got a regular cell block. Then they got one behind the hospital where they really isolated. You can't see nobody at nothing. There's no window or nothing. It's against the law. They actually had to put a fucking skylight in. That's like the back room they call it. There's like four cells. They just want to isolate you from everybody. You might as well be in fucking Russia. You know, what's going on in the world, right? All I knows I got a fucking body. I'm thinking of walking back and forth.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Me and my thoughts. The kid that we shut the light off. They keep the light on 24-7. Fuck your eyes up. It was a fucking mess, right? That night they came to read me what they call a booking or a ticket in some prisons they call it. Frank guy was alive. Fucking assholes.
Starting point is 00:39:28 Somebody die. Right? I thought I had a fucking body, right? I was half worried. Where I think now that I wasn't even that concerned? Like, I don't know. I was embraced. I know people like that.
Starting point is 00:39:39 I know guys that killed guys in prison. They didn't care. They cared more about. how it came out, the respect part of it. So fucking stupid, ain't it? But that was my first real problem in prison. And all on revenge, I couldn't let things go. And it was so nuts back then when I went to parole a couple years later. So we see you have a stabbing on her. What happened? I swear to God, I said, listen, I was 16, you put me in the dental lions. I said, nope, Fair enough.
Starting point is 00:40:11 You can't do that now, but prisons were so out of control back then. It was almost understandable how kids got. Who doesn't understand that? I mean, you're going to survive by violence? I mean, it was other times. I had all the issues. I had to make moves. I didn't want to go ramble on about every little incident.
Starting point is 00:40:25 But, of course, I had a lot of incidents of fucking 16. And eventually, I wasn't with my brother, really, the whole time on that bit. I did five years before I was 21. And in that time, I got tight with some OC guys, you know, and wise guys. And so when I got out, that's the element I was around. It was a crew of us kids who were loyal to that one guy, as I told you about earlier. Now, we were just street kids, and he's a maid guy. He had like a private army of kids. That's how he was smart like that. And then he had his own people. But he utilized us when he had to. And I impressed him. He always
Starting point is 00:41:03 took care of me, free lawyers. You know, of course you're a kid. You think you're a big shot. You go to restaurants. Go rid of weird. I got my girl with me. fucking all psyched up off that false bullshit, right? But at the time, it was working. And so I try to think if that's, well, I ended up going back to prison. I ended up shooting the guy in front of my sister's house. He's related to my sister's boyfriend,
Starting point is 00:41:25 who had kids with my sister. I think he was smoking crack in the house or something. You got to get the fuck out of here. Fuck, yo. I beat him up for us. Shot him in the stomach. He didn't rat on me. I thought he was dead, right?
Starting point is 00:41:37 He screamed and hollering the street blood. murder, I just fucking guy's dead. I was stupid, you know, I was just temper, right? I was a trick-a-happy retard, I like to say. I hate to use that word, but that's how I was when I got out of the can. All that violence and anger and just transfer that right to the street. I'm trying to impress the mob guys, and I was doing a good job at that for my behavior. Anyway, the kid, he said, he's five, no problem.
Starting point is 00:42:00 I said, don't ever come around here again. A month later, I show up with my friend, there he is. This fucking kid, don't listen. Go, boom, boom, he gets somebody shoots him. Again, he got shot, someone shot out on 15th, somehow through the door, he only got hit in the leg, right? This time, oh, he still didn't say that. It was the weirdest thing.
Starting point is 00:42:20 It wasn't really bothering me over that, right? He's just some Spanish, that's how I looked at it, just some Spanish kid, they don't care, cops are real racist back there. I didn't give a fuck about that kid. So one day, months later, now to investigate me for another shooting, shooting out of witness or something, I forget what it was. Now the heat's on because they're regular people I was out of control
Starting point is 00:42:40 That's all I can say My friend was in the can Had a problem with witnesses Somebody intimidated The witnesses were gunfire Blah blah blah blah But now the cops are armed What do they do?
Starting point is 00:42:49 They go They can't do nothing about that So now they want to grab me For the other shooting Of the Spanish kid Months earlier So I give them a car accident One day
Starting point is 00:42:58 On my street I didn't do it The lady was wrong And every kids come out They're trying to They jump me I go through all this bullshit The cops show up
Starting point is 00:43:04 Blah blah I, everything, cops leave, everything. I love my half, I'm late. Oh, so a little while later, my sister's like, she wants to go get her a son. The father's, I'm going somewhere with this. The father were kids in the project somewhere. She don't want a kid in there.
Starting point is 00:43:19 All right, let's go get him. Keep in mind, he's the kid I was a child of shooting. There's the brother of this guy. I go to his house. They're all over there talking Spanish. I got a pistol on me as to keep it up. I'll finish the job right now, right? You know, I'm nice and calm with that fucking shit.
Starting point is 00:43:34 I'm better off when I'm shooting somebody. I got more anxiety in a line. If I'm walking in lines, that's how I was then. So anyway, basically it was a threat there. They called the cops. By the time I get home, right, the detectors realize, I guess, they can utilize. They can get this shooting to take me off the street
Starting point is 00:43:54 while they investigate in the other shooting if you get what I'm saying, if you follow me. I mean, you're tired of stuck. I know. So anyway, go home. So they surround the house, right? And they say, Dean, we want to talk to you.
Starting point is 00:44:06 Because remember, I had an accident a little while earlier. You said, you know, license. We're going to check your license about the shooting in. I got the piss bomb. I got to hide and everything. My license. Oh, maybe it's nothing. But I should have known because they were all around the house.
Starting point is 00:44:16 They come and don't move, right? Like, what the fuck? As they trick me saying they want something to do my license. But when I went to that kid's house and triggered that, somebody called the cops. They must have decided, okay, grab my net, while I would investigate the other thing. Long story short, I'm charged with shooting this guy,
Starting point is 00:44:29 go back to prison. I'm doing a 10-year sentence. I knew I had five in. I got two and a half more to go to flatten because there they got good time. How old were you? Excuse me? At that time?
Starting point is 00:44:40 How old were you at that time? I was 22. I got out when I was 21. He went back when I was 22. I might have still been 22. I'm trying to remember. I mean, I was still been 21. I was 22.
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Starting point is 00:45:18 MasterCard and get up to $2,400 in value in your first 13 months. Terms and conditions apply. Visit bemo.com slash ViPorter to learn more. Hey, I sold H prison for years, all kind of That was one of my notorious for selling the age, guys were dying, all kind of shit. I got back, I got ready into the game. But eventually, I beat the shooting, all right? I got another story for you. So I'm going to go back in front of the Pro Board to get out again because I beat the shooting. In the meantime, I sold some drugs to this kid, right?
Starting point is 00:45:55 And usually you don't even sell to a different race. You stick with your own, blah, blah, blah. The black kills a friend of mine. So he ends up selling it giving it to this kid. five percentage, if you ever heard of them. So, we had a five percent of problem there at the time. There was a crew of guys, which I ended up respecting and liking something. I got along with them, you know, because you do hard time with my high security.
Starting point is 00:46:14 You really know a man, you know. But before all of that, there was a crew that came down from New York. They took over a place called Hartford Projects, right? Through all the drug. They had machine guns. These guys were serious, right? And they took over the local drug trade. They took a pinch.
Starting point is 00:46:27 They're in the can. Not only want to take over the fucking drug trade in the can. That's my racket. Like, the fuck, right? They were this little kid. Who's this fucking kid? We were all small, my crew, a bunch of little guys. I first looked at least, like, these fucking guys.
Starting point is 00:46:41 Yeah, I want to say as an action, we look a lot different with a fucking knife in our hand. We were a fucking animals. We could attack it like a bunch of fucking piranhas, right? Me, my brother, a couple, a few other guys. We had a crew, and then we had extended guys that would back us up. So we were very strong. They didn't know that, though. So you got these hard and black dudes.
Starting point is 00:46:58 They're black nationals. They're 5%. As if you don't know on your bottom, that's basically what the other, black nationalists, they have certain beliefs. They were eating with the Muslims, whatever, during Ramadan. But anyway, so now I come on, let me fuck, and so I go to breakfast, the guy's like,
Starting point is 00:47:13 I didn't want no interaction with these guys. But there was this ongoing, it was escalating, knew something was going to happen because they're fucking what our custom is. So you could just tell, I can't remember exactly, you know, there's going to be a fucking problem with these guys eventually.
Starting point is 00:47:28 They're trying to bully the fucking prison because they got a crew and they think we're fucking soft so I come out this fucking guy's like I want my fucking money back for the fucking where fucking shit don't fuck
Starting point is 00:47:40 I fuck that's just respect everyone's looking I said I see outside I came out the crew standing there got the whole posh back then we had military
Starting point is 00:47:50 coaching the national guard left so it's prison in the old days and I let loose I'm so fucking mad to me I'm by myself too and I don't even know this is going on and I ran a racial slur which I'll say
Starting point is 00:48:03 I don't mean to offend anybody now but if we're going to be truth for you how I said it you know what I'm sick of you fuck yeah you want a fucking problem let's fucking do it right now excuse my language it's not my belief system now but you had to talk like that
Starting point is 00:48:18 once you said that that's in it's all on and these guys are all about their whole belief system like belief system probably revolves around that type of shit how are you going to respond to whatever I got so mad There were so many incidents that's happened. And now this guy says,
Starting point is 00:48:31 This is my fucking mind. Oh, yeah, you motherfucker. Maybe on the blind side. So we had a blind side. That means the towers couldn't see. We had a bunch of them. Because we had a tower. It was like 200 feet high.
Starting point is 00:48:41 Like a fucking forest one. We had little ones on the wall. There's one way up. You could look down. But we had a blind side where they couldn't see. So when you were called today, it was like being called out. I had a knife.
Starting point is 00:48:51 I was a little guy. This kid was a big kid. But I just didn't care. I always try to tell me it. It's not a tough guy thing. I don't think I'm a tough guy. I think psychologically I'd arrive down a place
Starting point is 00:49:01 why don't care about dying It's like dealing with a fucking terrorist What do you don't do to this guy? You don't give him a fuck I swear to God that's where I was I never looked at it like I was a tough guy I'm a bader Real dangerous guys don't act like that
Starting point is 00:49:13 They don't feel that way They just can go You switch or flip a switch in them And now they're in this place And now you're going to deal with that fucking guy I look a lot different with a knife man I always tell us most of the time I meet guys They always
Starting point is 00:49:23 But things can be a lot bigger Anyway go on with the fucking story he doesn't go to the blind side now his whole crew's offended he in his mind when I had the balls to say that in front of him I must be something wrong at me and they're mine right just kids gonna be
Starting point is 00:49:37 and I had a reputation for making moves so I put him out there and I'll just kidding you know I'm built like that right anyway I go for parole the next day parole granted I went while I'm waiting in my cell just get the card
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Starting point is 00:51:03 that's ghostbed.com slash cox with the code cox at the checkout to save a whopping 50% off site wide we got the normal feeding where he comes all together but then you had it was Ramadan that means the Muslims come out early and they eat for us sundown whatever fucking let the sleep on the wheel they let this these guys come with the Muslims in Ramadan. They're out of this cell. I nodded off. I did that. I would have been up at my own regular child time, but I wasn't prepared for that. I forgot. I went to sleep on that. And when they came, we had a rookie, everything with the stars were lined up just right for this kid. The rookie was working on a block. So usually if you want
Starting point is 00:51:43 to tear, the guys at the end with controls, he can look. And you say, your son, number 19, 21, and he hits him, right? He didn't yell. There's no guy next to me. He's the whole all my drugs and stuff. I get him that pain. The whole everything. And the next day, I get all my stuff back. They always raided myself. The old guy said, yeah, they were out there wishing. They didn't know who was going to do it. If the kid puts her on a fucking mask. Instead of yelling my cell number, which was 10, he went like this. He held up 10. You understand? And so the rookie just looks and hits the door. Just kids on me with the fucking ice pick. Boom, boom, boom. I'm blocking a couple. I could hit the neck. Five times
Starting point is 00:52:19 I could hit a couple of here, blocking it in the neck. And two over here. One, two, three. four, five, what the fuck, yeah. And, um, no, this story's ridiculous. But anyway, so I get my foot between us, I push him, he screws. They said, you fucking coward, you got the night, blah, blah, blah. I was talking shit to the end, right? I didn't feel hurt, right? Right, so, I was like, fuck this.
Starting point is 00:52:41 I'm going to get him. My friend shows up. But I bent over to change my clothes, right? Tells what I blood. A punch of blood. I'm like, oh, what fuck is that, right? And, uh, so, uh, I'm in my end, my friend shows, no, no, no, fuck that, you're dying, man, you're fucking dying, all right? All right, let's go. So, I go to the hospital in my underwear. The drink was so nuts, I want to towel on my fucking neck, bleeding all over the place, in my underwear walking by, nor not have fucking screw seen it, right? It's weird.
Starting point is 00:53:10 Ring the bell, the doctor's at the gate and nurse. You want to let me in, he's all nervous. Open the fucking gate guy. You're fucking dying over here. I go in there. So I kept throwing up blood, right? Nah. So I'm on the ambulance in the dawned on me. I used to have this big gold necklace in the chain. Then I realized, I'm in the shackle, but I'm like, where's my fucking necklace? I'm thinking this guy rob and he's in the, and no worst thing of the joint to being robbed. That's like an insult to injury. Where's my chain? I got the mask.
Starting point is 00:53:35 My chain. What's your doing? What are you doing? So I'm going on and out and all about the fuck. I go to the hospital. First of all, State, please show up. Back then, like a little tape recorder, fucking some, a little fucking soft. I fear it.
Starting point is 00:53:48 Oh, Dean, you're looking really bad. Blot everywhere. You're looking really bad. You know, just got to get away of killing you? Yeah, we'll die your fucking rat, blah, blah, blah. You know, the young man, tough guy, act. You know, it's not an act, because I was serious about it. But, you know, I'm playing my role perfectly.
Starting point is 00:54:02 Fuck you, I ain't dying a rat. By the way, where's my fucking chain? Chuck Dehler's, I'm so mad about my chain, right? Going on and on. His doctor shows up. And he hears me real and goes, hold on. Dr. Haas. I'll never forget this guy's name.
Starting point is 00:54:17 I can't come in hospital. He's like, what's the problem? I said, I need my. He fucking chains. And I get robbed from my... Goes, Jesus Christ. He reaches around my neck. And he falls in around.
Starting point is 00:54:29 It was hanging on the back of my neck. Because what is wrong with you, kid? You're dying over here, maybe, right? I said, all right, all right. All right. And, you know, you can't get robbed in a joint like this. That's like a bad thing. I'd rather get stabbed for something else
Starting point is 00:54:42 than you're stealing from me. And me not doing it about it. And so, next thing happens, he wants to do a cat, because I'm going to have to do exploratory surgery. his blood. I know catta, no cancer, no fucking way. I'm scared of that thing. And it's like, wait a minute, because I'm going to try something else, but I might have to do it. Something was on his mind. I couldn't figure out my complaint later. He put some liquid to me. First he made
Starting point is 00:55:09 throw up the stuff was in my stomach. He put a bunch of liquid in me. And then he can look at the x-rays. If anything vital organs are punctured, it glows on the screen. All right? And nothing and it was glowing, but I kept throwing up. I felt all right, right? And he goes, waiting, man. Do you get punched in the nose or something? And when I blocked a couple of stabins, what happened was, I was drinking my own blood from the punched nose and it was looking like it was coming from an organ. He could tell by the color of the blood, whether it was too light or too dark, that it wasn't coming from the organ, which let him do that.
Starting point is 00:55:42 Because you're all right, I just hit the guy, just missed me. I got lucky. So after all that, it was all in the news, sound like I was butch and I woke up. I got a fucking band-aids out. But I didn't get hit, you know? I just got lucky. And that was that. Five years later on a different bit, I caught that kid on a van and punched his fucking lights out,
Starting point is 00:55:57 but he got me. That was my story of the fight, but so I ended up, oh, the biggest thing in this story is. All right, so they tell me, you made parole anyway, Dean, you're going home Monday. All right, at least that's happened, right?
Starting point is 00:56:13 Because I beat the charge. Monday comes and put shackles on me and bring me to high security. We went back to the board. They took my fucking parole. from being stabbed. I could not believe. You want to talk about a time in my life when something fucking changed for the worst? It was when they did that. So you took my parole. They said, listen, it took me back to the border. We know it was over drugs. You would have got him first
Starting point is 00:56:35 if he didn't get you, blah, blah, blah. You're going to flatten your bid. So I did another two and a half with a lot of anger, right? I couldn't believe that. They really took my parole. And I got out two and a half years later. By that time, you know, I graduated to Rob, banks. I hooked up with a friend. 30 days later, I was back for it. I'm bank robbing. Fucking shame. A lot of people ask me about these banks. Why didn't you in the Fed?
Starting point is 00:57:00 Well, I don't go to the Fed's because, first of all, the circumstances of it is very weak. The Fed's won't try unless they have you. And in this state, but the problem here is we have 32F, if you ever heard. The only state that does is where they violate your probation very fast if they did. You've got anything to do it. I had 20 years suspended.
Starting point is 00:57:18 So what they do is they come at you. I'm going to hit you with your probation. and then they're going to go to the feds. Or do you take a deal, wrap it all up, and stay in the state. And the feds are happy if you're catching off time. If they had me, it would just took me right away and grabbed me. So that happened to me a couple times. I wanted to explain that because people keep asking why I wasn't in the Fed. I'm not in the Fed's because there's other crimes that happen in the state
Starting point is 00:57:40 where it's enough for the state to wrap me up. Because I'd rather do Fed time, or the reason why I'd rather not because there's no parole or nothing. The state, all right, I was just doing 30 years. I got out in 18. thing what happened if I was doing 30 years in the feds, right? So you're doing almost 30 years, and you'd cost for your good time. Exactly. So what did happen?
Starting point is 00:58:01 Sorry, what did happen with the bank robberies? How did you end up robbing those? All right. Okay. I had a friend of mine who was robbing banks or years. He was, uh, he was in a mental security on some violation time. He found out he was about to get indicted for bank robbery, screwed for minimal security. Before I got out, I received a postcard.
Starting point is 00:58:20 car from him. A friend of his and ours was in the feds before. He got tight with some little Casey guys out in New York. He was running some type of house with women with lingerie or something. I don't know. Some fighter. And my friend was going down there hanging around him, but they were planning scores and they wanted me. I was a good car, thief, a driver
Starting point is 00:58:36 and shit. I was still a kid, right? So he said, when you get out, we're going to come down. So enough, I get out, they come down. This is an interesting story in itself. So my friend, I was only out of a couple weeks. And so we hit this bank in Warwick, right? Yeah, I grabbed like seven grand in my end. But seven grand, you know, 25 years ago, just getting out of the can, I could buy a car,
Starting point is 00:58:59 shit like that. We didn't get a lot of money. We got like 25 grand, right? But a lot of people, the idea was to grab money because we had an arm of car and planned. I forgot to leave that. Because they had a girl who was messing with, I'm all over the place, but try to stay with me. But this girl was messing with this armoured car guy. She was messing with him. He'd go to the bathroom. She'd take pictures up the trip tickets. trip tickets out where his drop off stuff like that and the addresses so you look for the best location to whack the alma car
Starting point is 00:59:25 but you need money to operate so we hit the bank all right let's put this score together now these guys were at a certain level where they could do that I guess right um what I didn't know fucking unbelievable so the guy's name was Darrell the one from New York
Starting point is 00:59:39 he's from Rhode Island but he's in New York these guys uh there's another crew and we're not in operating they were doing home invasions and mansions and stuff they would take pictures of the stuff, this is the old days, keep in mind. I take pictures of the stuff, send it to Darrow, and he'd show it to the, try to sell it, right? To the, what are you called?
Starting point is 00:59:55 You know, guys out in town, you know. So, there you go. So he got caught, you got grabbed because somebody died in the mansion down here. So everybody's all over it. He gets grabbed, and he started to ratting. And nobody knew this guy was fucking ratting. He ends up robbing the car and another guy.
Starting point is 01:00:11 We're going to rob the same people again because we have the trip tickets. Comes down here, robs a bank with me. He had another guy, gave another guy, to rob him, to commit an assy, and rob money here, and there was all these crimes. A guy grabbed the money back. Basically, he gets all these crimes in his head. And one day, he gets grabbed, and he just let him have it all. Me, he grabbed a bunch.
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Starting point is 01:00:44 August 1st. Here he was almost like an informant. committing crimes. I don't know if he was informant or he just read it in that case and then he started committing more crime. He probably figured I can wheel and deal my way. And so enough, he did. He only got five years. The rest of us all got big time. What happened to me is
Starting point is 01:00:59 so he'd offered me 25. I'm just a kid. I'm like 24 now, right? Fuck it. So I got my friends, those other friends on the other side got me a free lawyer. They helped me out. They got me Jack Cessalini. Jack got it down at 12 to serve. Here, this is the biggest state that takes deals.
Starting point is 01:01:15 We wheel and deal. You don't rent on a number. You don't hurt nobody, but they force you to take a deal because you're facing so much time when you're suspended. No other state does it like that. It's fucked up. The feds didn't really have shit on the bank, Rowey. And if you catch enough time in the state, they'll leave you alone. Anyway, the fucking...
Starting point is 01:01:32 So while the bank robbery's present and Jack's record on it, I got a lot of story for you. Okay, I told you how wild the prison was. So in 1991, they got this troubleshoot of guy like a director, prison director. First he went to Walpole, Massachusetts, and turned that around.
Starting point is 01:01:50 Then they hired him to come down there. He was like a troublesher. Turn his joint around, where you? He comes down. He sees how wide open the street, closed, blah, blah, blah. He's taking all this shit away. And the only way to do is the cause of disturbance. Sure enough, they were taking stuff little by little.
Starting point is 01:02:05 Then he had this one room that was new. If you get a dirty year and in prison, you'll lose your visitation rights for so much time. And then each time you're down gets west and west. And that's what triggered it off. This guy come out on the discipline board One day goes, these motherfuckers Because the guy kept taking little things He knew what he was doing
Starting point is 01:02:24 He took all the street clothes, this, that Guys had fucking little ovens in their cell It was fucking nuts He took all that shit, right? And he knew what he was doing And this one thing took to him If the guy comes out And he tells the guy
Starting point is 01:02:34 They took my fucking visit What? Fuck this, everybody went fucking nuts They got news footage and everything And so he started tearing the joint apart They got news footage of Here comes the gods There were 200 of them marching in the yacht
Starting point is 01:02:47 banging the fucking stick, right? I love this footage. And they come in, they try to intimidate all the guys in the yard. These guys, they're fucking shooting tear gas. You see, Kahn's running around. It's a mask on. They fired a tear gas at the Kahn picked up.
Starting point is 01:02:59 He fucking threw up. It's fucking great footage, right? And so they come in, and they don't see him. Get the fuck out of there. That's right. Run them the fuck out of there. And that's footage of it.
Starting point is 01:03:12 So anyone wants to fucking deny now. I'll find that footage, right? Threw those fucking screws right out of there. right and they were pissed as always every time we did that they have to call a state police police come in they line the wall
Starting point is 01:03:23 they're gonna fucking blow your head off they ain't fucking around they put them in when they find everybody in their cell the guy was a masterful what he did anybody I was on the street at the time this was before I came in from the bank
Starting point is 01:03:35 anyone that had an influence he shipped them all over the country federal prison state prisons all the way to fucking Illinois to fucking Julietin whatever statesville I had friends I knew they were in all different prisons and then he started
Starting point is 01:03:47 a letting in the weak element. The guys were bad charges, stuff like that. And then if a guy like me goes back and don't like it, too bad we're gonna fucking, you'd rot in high security until you'll adjust or you'll get shipped out of state. So I come back in the millers, in the middle of what they call taking the prison back. The guy was a genius. So what he did is he hired a bunch of young kids on steroids. They don't fear us. They don't know us. They don't know, they don't know I can cut your fucking head off. They don't care. They were just jumping in And they look around, there's a crew of screws walking around. The drink's locked down, mind you.
Starting point is 01:04:18 And they're walking around him too. He was one of them. Come in your shell, break you up, pick you out of there, right? So, it was really bad. We're at war with him for like, this was from 91 to 93. There was a bunch of smaller eruptions. Guys were hitting seals with fucking fire extinguishes. It was going on and on it went.
Starting point is 01:04:33 And they were fucking us up. It was so bad they arrested a few COs for assault, and they were catching bids. It was fucking out of control. H. All over the fucking place. COs get arrested with traffic in a... H. And I tell you that for a reason, because one of them was a friend of mine, he got arrested selling heroin.
Starting point is 01:04:48 But before he got arrested for selling H prison, one day, I'm in a hole for a few months. Not, I come out, it's a whole new prison. The old days are gone, and I hadn't need to adjust fast. But while I'm down and seg, guys are coming down, all broken up, guys are making threats. When I get out on fucking one-on-one, a guy would get out, Bing, Bing, Cold Blue, he would fuck somebody up and come back. It was fucking crazy, man. It was like living in a fucking Siberia. So it was crazy, right?
Starting point is 01:05:16 But I embraced it. I have a way of embracing insanity. That I can embrace really well. So I have a brother in maximum security at the time. It was a little older than me. My mouth is dry. So I come on a sag. They got what they call a Quay system.
Starting point is 01:05:31 There's there a dangerous felon in prison you go to this cell block. Sorry, I go to that cell block. I'm on the third tier. I don't know where anybody is, nothing. But my brother asked one show. He even used the word CO now, but we'll use it because everybody understands that. I've got to ask one CO. Can't go see my brother?
Starting point is 01:05:49 Yeah, shall I go see him from? Just be quick. This other steroid head motherfucker comes around the fucking. What the fuck are you doing up there? I don't give you permission. I'll ever say, fuck you. What are you talking about? That's on.
Starting point is 01:06:00 Here we go. Just get out of the hole. My stuff's on the bag. My brother goes on the stairs. They're fucking like arguing, right? And they got this fucking thing. While you arguing, no one gets behind you. He fucking sucker shot in fucking push to cold.
Starting point is 01:06:11 They were fucked up dudes, man. these fucking motherfuckers they let in there. So I'm on the third tier. I'm looking at this prick trying to fucking hit my brother from behind. No, you don't want you, you motherfucker. Now, I'm not a big guy. I'm somewhat strong,
Starting point is 01:06:25 but it's different when you're bending the hole doing push-ups and you're fucking living on and fucking angling insanity. Now you've got a fucking strength of a fucking bull. I ran down that third tier and caught him just right. That's big motherfucker. He's a big stir right at these fucking stomach.
Starting point is 01:06:40 What's that for? He's a fucking stomach. What's that for? He's running your fucking mom? Now, at the time, I'm no karate guy But I always had a couple of kicks I can throw I threw a spin-and-back kick Oh my God, Atlanta's the best one
Starting point is 01:06:49 I couldn't do it again if I wanted I only did it twice in life where Atlanta just right And that was where I caught this prick right here Now he's fucking nervous Like I couldn't believe he was shocked that somebody would hit him This big stud right at right My friend happened to be standing there Because he was cleaning his cell with a fucking brook
Starting point is 01:07:03 Give me that fucking I broke the stick Here they come This guy takes off The squad comes I couldn't believe I had these motherfuckers Intiminated with a broken stick At the end of the day, guys out of bullies are always fucking collards. We know that.
Starting point is 01:07:15 If you're a bully, you're a coward, and I'll fucking reveal it. You might be tough with your hands, but I will fucking take your life, and that's what you're afraid of. And that's what they were afraid of. Come on, you motherfuckers, I'm ready to die today. I lost my mind. I can't, I can't make this story up. Ding, this is the first time I seen him do this,
Starting point is 01:07:30 because usually they want to cuff you right there. Just go back to your cell, calm. Because I was riling everybody up that was out, right? At least I thought I was. Go back to your cell, calm down. But I'll tell you what, I stopped him from hitting my brother. I said, all right, we're not going to jump me. If you jump me, I don't care how long it takes.
Starting point is 01:07:45 I was talking shit. I had the stage. I got the stage. I'm running my mouth. They put me in the cell. Now, you get this thing. This is an old cell block from 1800s. They have to pull this bar that locks up top.
Starting point is 01:07:58 And then you have to key lock each cell. All of it like that, but this part of the prison is like that. It's from the 1800s. So I'm waiting for a slide bar to the shot and lock. And I hear the guy on the other side. I'm going to rip his fucking hand off there coming to get me. I said, motherfucker. We're looking at the bar.
Starting point is 01:08:13 It's not being shut. I leave them open to come get me? What's going on, right? I'm like fucking rainbow at this fucking point. So I got nothing. I just got out of a hole. I got nothing, but I have a belt back then we had built. I took a belt, put a lock on it, and grabbed the pen.
Starting point is 01:08:29 And kicked my door, but I swear that this was on my fucking daughter's eyes. I did this. Right? Not that it's this big, great accomplishment, but I'm trying to show you how far I lost my... I kicked the door and said, come on, you motherfuckers. I'm out of my fucking. sell. Now only my tears open. I'm running down a tear. Hey, I need something. All these fucking cowards. The prison was never like this. Usually they were all come out.
Starting point is 01:08:50 Come on, Dean. Let's get them. Oh, I don't want to tell them. They had let all these fucking weasels in. And they knew what they were doing when they did it. And it was working this day. So you fucking caught. Now I'm yelling at them to you coward motherfuckers. I don't want to help. They were all, these are the guys that intimidated. What is it there? As you notice, it did between a conflict and inmates. I was in there with a bunch of inmates. A con will stand on principle and stand up when he has to. An inmate just goes along with the fucking program. I don't want no trouble.
Starting point is 01:09:13 Shut the fuck up, right? So they left me hanging. No, I'm frigging when they're going to come. I can use the fire escape, crack one, trouble back up. I had all this fucking shit in mind, right? And so they got quiet. I said, that's right, I'm out. Let's go, you fucking.
Starting point is 01:09:27 So, all right, if it's quiet, right? Up the stairs is the God who's supposed to shut their gate. He's my friend. The one that got arrested for that trafficking in age. Very soon after this, he got arrested and was in the same fucking prison. But he says, Please, I want to lose my job. I was supposed to lock the door, please.
Starting point is 01:09:44 You're not going to get jumped. I promise, blah, blah, blah. All right, so he put me in a cell. All right, Ray. I'll go in, I believe you. So I'm in myself for an hour to week. I see the news media. So, try to keep in mind.
Starting point is 01:09:55 I just told you really, there's a lot of assault and behavior going on, back and forth. It got so bad the feds are now involved. What the fuck's going on down here in the ACI? Why are all these CEOs getting arrested for us? So what the fuck? So now everybody's involved in a couple days before, my assault, this kid assaulted a guard and a medium security.
Starting point is 01:10:11 maximum security and beat them almost to death so the heat was on them so i was the first guy i got to laugh at this because i'm supposed to get a fucking beaten right so they started um cell extractions with a camcorder back then they had to open the cell with a camp corner and oh so i'm the first guy i don't know not about this right what's going on so you got to record me from the one cell no matter what it's brutal they're bringing me to they got all the way to the next building till i get in that cell safely so anyway i come out of my cell and come out of my cell and I figured let me just clench my fucking jaw
Starting point is 01:10:44 I'll say if you break my jaw right I walk into a gauntlet cops some state police investigators they were all fucking I'm like oh fuck
Starting point is 01:10:50 we're not gonna get this beaten right I can go in the room I could take the cuffs is all right Dean strip I don't know what I got the fun he was like all right
Starting point is 01:10:58 you're all right can he bruises on you so fuck is this so now there's so much heat on they wanted to see if I was fucked up it was fucking crazy
Starting point is 01:11:09 I like the first guy part of this one on call it a new program, but it was because of the heat they had. And so all this time, the campcores on me. They didn't have any room in high security. I remember they had to bring me the medium security. He put me in that segregation until I had a cell open. But all the way to meet him, they took me, my brother, I put in another building, and a friend of mine who didn't do nothing along, but got charged. Anyway, I got charged with a salt and the seal, I guess was what I was trying to get to. Keep in mind, the bank robbery was pending. So there's a
Starting point is 01:11:34 reason why I tell you the story is because they offered me to fucking. So now I'm off, I'm fucked. There's a 25-year deal 12 to serve, right? But then I picked up the assault. So I go to court to take the deal, and the prosecutor was like, you know what I just picked up an assault at the prison, blah, blah, blah. So they end up giving me. I was two years to the day almost when I went to take the 12 years. They said, I will give you another 10 years to serve running in. But you're not going to get retroactive time. So it's basically, I end up catching, I end up doing two years before I even started my 12 year bid.
Starting point is 01:12:09 So I was doing a 14 year bit. Does that make sense what I'm trying to tell you? Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to say it, but you know, you understand. Yeah, you got two for the assault. Right, 10 years to serve, right. Now, even though it was concurrent, they started it that day. So I did two years for nothing.
Starting point is 01:12:26 I really did 14. So I ended up doing 10 years on a 12 year sentence to make my and when I got out, I was worse than ever. You know, if I only continue that story, the fuck it goes on and on keep in mind
Starting point is 01:12:40 I was good back excuse me how were you when you got out the second night or that 35 years old a count
Starting point is 01:12:47 in 2001 I was released to a program right we don't have halfway houses down there they least until like a salvation
Starting point is 01:12:56 on me I was broke the wise guys were drying up there's none of that shit around I was running around with a half fast crow they didn't have nothing going
Starting point is 01:13:02 this is the time when guys had traded a couple hundred bucks hey kid he fucked you with that fuck fucking insult right in my mind i thought i deserved more what i did it not it's not i need a heel or there my mindset was that somebody gonna give me five grand or something what the fuck i put some work in nothing but that's how it goes nobody gives a fuck what you did nobody's
Starting point is 01:13:21 come up off their money you gotta go get your own it's all there is to it and uh so i'm in the program i knew before i got i was gonna fucking do a score when i have to do a score to get on my feet i'm planning crimes in the camp before i get out that's how fucked up i was i didn't work work, right? They utilize it as a halfway house, but it's not a real halfway house. So I needed some money. I wanted to put some money together quick. I ran it to a friend of mine who was equally desperate. He wasn't in the program, but there was a crew of us that used to do banks together. Sometimes we'd interact. I'd do it with him. He'd doing him with him after or something like that. He was part of that little crew he had. Most of us, most of them were in prison now.
Starting point is 01:14:03 a couple of dad, things were changing, right? But so, I kind of did this on. First of all, when I arrived at the program, I'll never forget this, keep in mind, the whole time I'm in prison, I'm still interacting with, you know, wise guys and stuff, right? There was this one guy that took care of me the whole time. It's actually my girlfriend now's dad who's passed away. But for her, I'd just leave his name out of it,
Starting point is 01:14:28 but anyone locally knows him. I mean, he was a maid guy, and his captain was the guy from the can. but uncle to me. I don't want to say dad if I everybody uses that, but I was close to him. Me and my brother did a lot of time
Starting point is 01:14:39 were close to this guy. And one of my other brothers, I mean, there's a lot of stuff I left out. I had another brother who wasn't a hard and criminal. I'll get right back to where I was, but you need to hear this part. I did a video on it recently.
Starting point is 01:14:50 I have another brother who's between me and ages and my other brother. Me, my brother Lauren, my brother, Lauren, my brother, Chris, where did three criminals and a family that was in trouble. My brother Lauren wasn't a hardened criminal
Starting point is 01:15:01 but he got himself from trouble. He's ended up in a lower security he had balls he got no fight he ended up in maximum security now he felt probably just urged to live up to the name he gets a new thing hits this fucking guy in the head with a wait
Starting point is 01:15:13 but the guy tells him to be an expert martial arts expert you ripped my brother's eye out of his head ripped her in out of his head got him down pulled his eye out of his head in maximum security so that's this is the shit that's happened to my family he's taking hits to the whole way
Starting point is 01:15:29 right and the whole time I'm in prison which I also need to say My only constant was, I had a couple of girlfriends that stuck around a bit more like my sister and my other brother, Brian. They were like always in our corner. They couldn't always be up there, but neither they took turns. Either way, we always had them. Why just survive back to school when you can thrive by creating a space that does it all for you, no matter the size. Whether you're taking over your parents' basement or moving to campus,
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Starting point is 01:16:15 My sister comes to bring me something, clothes, whatever it is. As I open a gate, let my sister in. I was only in the program a day. And here comes this thing. This SUV. They fucking anyone who... My sister said, that looks like a cop.
Starting point is 01:16:28 I said, you know what? Actually, a fed. I was. It turns out later. it was right away they were on me nothing to do with my history it was more to do with the history of people I was communicating with you know you got a young kid coming out hungry who's messing with the wise guys they know you're the guy that's going to make the fucking move not them you're the hungry guy the other fucking animal they're going to send
Starting point is 01:16:46 so they were on me right away right um so I had that in mind so now I'm in the program I found the way the guy will I give the guy 20 bucks let me go do this easy job in the basement, right? So he thinks I'm in the basement. Because you gotta sign in and out. So I snuck out. You understand? I snuck across the bridge into each province with my friend. And we used to do what was called takeovers. That means if we'd go in the bank, I would hop over the counter and take all the money on the bottom drawers. Just here, there's no die packs. No diapacks, no alarms, nobody gets hurt. Shut the fuck up and give me the money. So we'd run in, usually can hit like three towels. We'd average around 50 grand, all right?
Starting point is 01:17:25 So a bad day, you get 25. 50 grand in 19, uh, until 2001 was a lot, was a lot better than was now, right? You don't get reds, but you can get on your feet. So, I remember hitting that bank and there's a woman all over one on. First of all, he all got on the floor. I said, everybody get the fuck up. Like, get up. I don't know a fucking cop riding by and saying they'll see nobody, right? And it looks some more suspicious. They're like, this guy's fucking cut it backwards. Right? Get the fuck out. Take it easy. I'm going to hurt nobody, right? So, the funny thing is about that bank.
Starting point is 01:17:54 So I wanted to hurry up, go through this next time, because the provium sits on east side of province. So if you crossed this quick bridge from the east province in the town, so I want to cross over and get back real quick and go in the basement, hey, I'm still here, guys, right? And that's what I did. So the FBI came and they even looked at the... I never locked out. He was there all the time working, right?
Starting point is 01:18:14 But as I'm... As I was driving, my friends in the back with the money on the floor, I'm getting... There's two cops, but the on ramp is, it's called I-95. One-95. As I'm getting on
Starting point is 01:18:31 just short strip of highway to get back to their fucking cop This one I could tell these The cops are going by me Responding to the bank You can see them coming from all over Right Their sirens ain't on
Starting point is 01:18:40 Foon boom right I know where they're going So this one cop is back in it I was the last cop by This motherfucker block the exit Right I was like oh my god I've seen in my real real mirror
Starting point is 01:18:51 Oh man that would have been bad Quick they go over there I go back Like you know like nothing ever happened Hide the money up the street And so somebody had told the cops they tried to get in that car
Starting point is 01:19:03 they didn't know how we did it we just appeared into this wooded areas what happened so they thought the armed robbers were in the streets to these problems
Starting point is 01:19:09 all running around machine guns all this I'm home counting the money watching the news like what the fuck they do so
Starting point is 01:19:14 it was caused a little bit of a racket and then right away my parole officer says hey dean FBI contact me they wouldn't want to talk to you I said what right now
Starting point is 01:19:23 I don't know if they call me back I'll let you know I said all right I'm like oh fuck because I'm already it's still small down here. I just got out of the can. The way you steal the car and all that stuff,
Starting point is 01:19:34 the type of car, they're not stupid. This is an older guy. Who just got out? Okay, good. This guy, right? Say, well, I'm right away, but they never called back. I know why not they want to watch me, right? So I had a little bit of heat from messing with the wise guys already. Now there's a bank that happens. My stupid ass, I'm thinking it's the old days I'm going to put a crew together. Because I'm known as a criminal, so anybody that needs something done, whether it be a wise guy, it could be you somebody hit your sister I had guys for this now the old thing we need to make some money so
Starting point is 01:20:03 this guy needs to be smashing and pay his bill hey want to make a quick 500 and then later on maybe throws me home I don't care there's a lot of chump change involved I wasn't doing it but I was doing when I didn't mind doing it because I do this guy a favor now I can get into the union or say you understand this guy fucking pit your daughter hey you want to make 500 fuck him up for that
Starting point is 01:20:21 hey I took care of that for you you understand how it's a great job doing that so that's what I was doing right trying to put this crew together as fucking i was way out of dating out of time with this some days were over right i was in the can a long time i didn't know that things had deteriorated as much as they did so i had this one fucking guy i'm trying to put him on my feet on his feet and i should have known i gave him like a money bag to rob a deposit bag he couldn't do it it was a quick 12 grand to get on his feet but little things he just wasn't built for it and i had the problem is i took i had these two
Starting point is 01:20:52 kids that i thought one was in the military i thought i could train these military they're both in the military. I figured, okay, perfect guys to train. You know, they already got that discipline why I had it so fucking law. Like both of them. I don't think they served in common. Whatever fuck they did. They got pictures with machine guns, black stuff on their face, but all this fucking bullshit. Now, I'm not to no disrespect to those real guys who serve in combat. I have much respect for them. But I learned about some military guys I'll never steal one again because when they get pinched, he's a dirty, right criminal. You served your country. You're a good man. Yeah, it's right. He's a criminal. Huh. You motherfuckersers
Starting point is 01:21:25 They ran on me every fucking time. I'm not saying all of them guys like that, but these two represent that because they're in the serving combat. They're not real fucking. But if they don't know any better and you see their pitches with an M-16 and whatever the fuck they had back then,
Starting point is 01:21:39 these guys are ready to rock and roll. The drop of a hat. I mean, bullshit, right? Anyway, all these smaller crimes I had to pick up on arson. Somebody needed a truck yard burned down. It was an issue with a union.
Starting point is 01:21:52 I had to get it done because I made a promise. I get it done. The guy had wanted to do it. Not capable. I ended up doing it my fucking self with the guy. I told him, whenever asked me for work again.
Starting point is 01:22:02 But this kid used to drive me around when I first got out. So he's seen, I was going on to all these social clubs. So I was going on to different crews with wide guys, but I was still loyal to the one particular guy, but everybody was getting old. It was dying off. I couldn't grab no money from there.
Starting point is 01:22:15 Them days were over. I'm on my own now. I got to make some money. Put my own crew together, blah, blah, blah. That was the mindset, right? So, they're watching me. from the one bank. I'm trying to think out some other stuff that may have happened in between.
Starting point is 01:22:29 But anyway, I decided to maximize my profit and rob a bank by myself. So, and my sister would have killed me at the time for this because my nephew passed away, my sister's son. Adam, I was close to this kid. He's like 17. Well, I didn't want to get him involved in the life. But there's a lot of work leading up to rob in the bank. I had to find a car in a nice place, change the plates, but I needed someone to drive my car. while, I drove the stolen car.
Starting point is 01:22:57 You know, back to put a... I used to place the stolen car a night before near the bank. So the next day, go up there on another car, use the stolen car, leave that, you know,
Starting point is 01:23:05 and take off in the regular car, right? So, I got these little walkie-talkies, so my nephew's only a kid, right? I'm like, I felt like an asshole doing it out, but I just trusted him.
Starting point is 01:23:15 It was so close. He was like my fucking son. So it sounds like, I sound like an asshole saying that, but he couldn't have got in no trouble legally, first of all, because they would never find out
Starting point is 01:23:23 because I would never give them up. Other people understand. Oh, you put him in a position? Well, really, no, I didn't. He can never take a pinch for this. So, anyway, he's got my car. I peel up the car and hold the car. So I, so I just want him to be in the air. If anything happens, I can get in a high-speed chase and run, and then he can pick me up. I got a walkie-talkie. You follow me? Yeah. So as I get in a stolen car, I get to this up the street, uh, what's post road, there's a cop right there. It's two more. It's me, the cop, my fucking nephew. How the fuck? I get on the highway. He's got his
Starting point is 01:23:53 fucking lights on. So I tell my nephew, all right, get off of the next exit. I'll meet you over there. Because I knew I could drive all crazy and get off of the next day and get in another car and screw. All right. All right. So this guy's behind me. I pull over, but he keeps going. But what a moment that was. I just got in a car, 25 seconds earlier. There's a cop right on me. But he didn't want me. He wanted somebody else. My point is I put my nephew in that position. But he wouldn't have got in no trouble. Unless they caught, unless they connected us. So I grabbed the car, I placed it there like for the next day I run in a bank by myself
Starting point is 01:24:25 I've had other cold offenses on the cases who never took a pinch me I ate my crimes but they didn't eat them with me but I had somebody drive for me in the legit car they really got to do with the bank itself but I have them like a mile away
Starting point is 01:24:38 I jump in the trunk sometimes you have to do it differently right so I run in here's three tellers you know I have the old drive girl like 45 grand right fucking one lady's give me a hard time I'm like, Jesus, price, an old lady. Fucking, it's not your money.
Starting point is 01:24:53 Fuck, get out of my way. I needed them to open a drawer so I could take it out. It's a pain in the ass. If you ain't got the right bag, the bag, flops, money falls. Real fucking pinning. You got the gun. How are you going to hold the gun? I had to learn how to shoot a little bit when I left hand
Starting point is 01:25:05 so I can use my right hand and grab the money. It's a little bit of a gun. One time I just, all right, put the gun down. Grab all the money. It's just fucking retarded it, right? I'm cowboying the joint. But, you know, I know I can do it. And I got away with it, right?
Starting point is 01:25:18 You would think. So, just to tell you how I fell, I tell you that story. And, oh, yeah, a week before, I had planned it with this one kid who kept letting me dumb. I met him in prison. We became friends, we went to the program together. So when I hit that bank, the first one, he's seen it all over the news. He goes, I know that you, that's your work. Please let me get involved.
Starting point is 01:25:40 And I kind of liked him. He's quiet. I took me a while to take home like that. So I said, all right. So I planned this last one I did. And the very last bank I did, I planned it with him. I stole a car. I had him drive it, place it at a certain spot.
Starting point is 01:25:54 The next day, we're going to go hit the bank. He sees a traffic cop two miles away, it's all fucking scared. I said, don't worry about it. At least I know where he's at. I got the fucking police scanner. I know where he's at. Don't worry about it. We're going to be in on in the two minutes.
Starting point is 01:26:06 Anyway, he backed out. And I'm like, fucking aggravated with this kid. Fuck you. Next week, I did it alone. I needed my nephew to help me with that car. That's it. He helped me place him. That's it.
Starting point is 01:26:15 And so, I hit the bank. Like a fucking asshole I'm buying Cadillacs Blah blah blah right Now this kid's fucking jealous Plus I am helping him His girl's watching me helping him I don't need to learn these things
Starting point is 01:26:28 I didn't know his pride is for it I'm making him look back She's like He's out of the can't do well What the fuck you're a bummy I don't know So you know how that stuff has an effect This jealous fucking bastard
Starting point is 01:26:38 He gets pinched doing something stupid Now he didn't see me Round the bank Now this is now I'm going to the feds Why people keep fucking asses asking me. He's a pain in the ass trying to explain that. So, this is called circumstantial evidence. So I get arrested by the fence. First they were watching, I had this gun. I used to hide every night in the woods in my house. Oh, all right. I had to leave this out. So the kid
Starting point is 01:27:08 calls me, right? The kid I'm talking about the one I had planted where he didn't want to do it. So he calls me. I said, he's in the intake. He's, well, how are you calling? on this. It goes, my lawyers let me use the phone real fast. I'm like, oh boy. He goes, and that's one, let me get done. He says, you know, I can't go back to the casino. I switched the whole content of the conversation. I'm like, this motherfucker's ratting on him. Right?
Starting point is 01:27:29 So I'm like, no, I can't go to the casino. You know, my little prologs, whatever I said. Calls me back again. Turns out ladies on the FBI's fucking phone calling me in his print. The stupid thing, they let him call on the cell phone. Why did you do that? You supposed to do the prison call, you fucking dumb dumbs, right? If they ever did the normal prison call, he might have been a little more
Starting point is 01:27:45 trickier, right? He's calling me in a cell phone from the prison, which is so stupid on the airport. But anyway, um, I was so, he got out. He wanted me to bail him out with a thing. He goes, I'm getting out tomorrow anyway. Whatever. Meet me. So when he gets out, I'm driving down there, and I got a fucking, this motherfucker's got to go. He's driving down looking for this guy. I'm creeping through the backyards where he'll this fucking crackhead shut the fuck up. All kind of shit's going on. And I can't find this prick. I'm driving home in the window down so I can throw the gun. There's nothing worse than driving with a gun at 2 in the morning, you know, and you're a felon because they're
Starting point is 01:28:20 a big trouble you control that fucking thing, right? I drive home, I'm hiding a gun to third day. I got fucking lazy, and I didn't, I said, I'll hide it in the morning. I go in my house. I put it in fact, the next morning. I come out to do the garbage, right? And I see the neighbor talking to a guy. I'm thinking it's his friend.
Starting point is 01:28:39 It didn't, something's wrong, but I ain't registering. Come on, I dumped the garbage, like, good morning, go on. Get in the fucking car. And they fucking swaned. All I heard was, Don't you move, Motherfucker, FBI. This guy must have been from Texas.
Starting point is 01:28:52 Dean, I'll blow your goddamn head off. Don't you move, motherfucker? The fuck. I got a cigarette. I'm fucked up. It's not a tough guy thing again. Gee, motherfuckers. I just didn't get up, right?
Starting point is 01:29:05 I got a cigarette. Put that cigarette out of you. I'm getting rid of died, though. If I try to move that common dead man, you know what that goes, I'm not a fucking suicide idiot, but it's just fucking what the fuck. I'm telling you more what kill you got?
Starting point is 01:29:19 I'm there to yell, all that shit. Like, fuck you. I threw the cigarette out, right? My hands out, go out. And they kept saying, he's tricky. Watch him, he's tricky. I guess I got a prison history of being tricky for the way I said, Paul kind of moves.
Starting point is 01:29:31 That shit goes on your record. You don't even realize it. The reason why I said it, because years later, a cop said it. He said, he said, he were a tricky bastard, right? Anyway, I get arrested. Now, the wicked guy who I did the ascent, I had to do the arson.
Starting point is 01:29:46 military kid. He's not the main guy even talking about. The kid, John, he used to drive me around. He'd come up to the program before I got up, before I got a kite, drive me around. My brother sent me, your brother, Chris said me to help you all. And I don't want to get down if there's a score, so that's how what happened. And so I gave him the ass and he fucking fumbled that. Anyway,
Starting point is 01:30:02 the one kid who knew I was going to play, plan the first bank, that bank with the last one, the military, another military guy. He didn't want to do it because I told him was a cop of the street. He got for a crime, and he called him and says, look, I think I know who robbed that Lincoln Bank. And the reason why he had credibility is because a week before, I had planned it with him and put the car in place.
Starting point is 01:30:25 So he knew all these little things about where the car was, where I'm going to jump over the car. So that's a believable thing. That's enough credibility. So he, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they tell them about the other kid. They surround the other kid. You know, you're, you're on the rest. They're scared of fucking. They don't run no bank.
Starting point is 01:30:42 I only committed an ass and I swear. Oh, Jesus Christ, these guys were folding like crazy. So now that kid, he knew a little bit about, because sometimes you could see a little bit about what I'm doing, but I'll never let you see me rob the bank. But he knew I stole a car. He knew I scrapped that bank out. So it's not enough.
Starting point is 01:30:59 It's not enough of me to say he definitely robbed the bank, but not have to prove it's called credit. So he ended up ratting on the first bank. The other guy told him about the second bank. But keep in mind, they don't really have any real evidence. And what happened is this. They, uh, is somebody told him we're playing it. I don't know how the fuck they found this out exactly, but they say it was playing around my car.
Starting point is 01:31:20 I think it was somebody I was dating at the time. I don't know what the fuck of later. I forgot how they found out. Somebody was fucking, I got to think about that one. They thought I was, they had that word I was going to plan on the robber on the car. And they took him up the streets a little too fast as what happened. Their sack they called, especially he's in charge. He's on a boss and he's like, listen, get that fucking kill the street.
Starting point is 01:31:39 If he robs an arm and kind of kill somebody, we're in fucking trouble. That's what I think happened, right? So basically he took the streets pretty quickly. He said Romney, robbing, get arrested. I'm charging. Two on bank robberies. What people don't know is when you hopped the counter, every teller I robs another count.
Starting point is 01:31:52 So I robbed 3,000 one bank, $2.00. I got five counts of robbery. Two bank. They don't even doesn't look like bank robber. It looks like just like robbery on paper. So I got two bank robberies. And Arson, Possession of Fire, and a stupid burglary I committed out in fucking East credits.
Starting point is 01:32:05 There's only five, six grand, but I'm a fucking asshole. I got $30,000. I mean, I'll rob five more. That's what I do for a living. And I did it. So, uh, they bring me on to this. room in the courthouse. I got all these charges hanging over my head.
Starting point is 01:32:20 The charge, the bank robberies are weak, very weak. You see how I told you how to what they know. Yeah, it's their company. Like, you've just got some people saying. I'm glad you understand that, right. It's so hard to explain that to the average person. Well, and they're not even saying I was there and I saw him. They're just saying, I know he got a car.
Starting point is 01:32:35 And this is how I know, right? And so, FBI just says to me, you and I both know it's weak. The government's, I probably not even going to try it. But the state will try a ham sandwich. The thing with a state, they'll try anything. They'll just Throw it open sticks. The feds don't do that. They're more professional.
Starting point is 01:32:48 If they don't have a conviction, they don't want that on their loss on their record. They wait until they can get you. They like to boast about their 97% conviction rate. And the reason why they have it is they don't fuck around. They look for high cases with high, well, a lot of evidence, so to speak. I always tell people, look, when the feds come to arrest you,
Starting point is 01:33:08 they pot your case, they do everything. When the people think something's wrong, arrest you, and then try and put the chaos. Hey, good way to put it. So the problem was immediately threw all these charges at me. So I didn't get that kind of money to fight all these charges, first of all of them.
Starting point is 01:33:23 But the arson is the problem in the gun. But the problem with the arson is the state police organized crime unit was all over it because he figured it's got ties to organized crime. What's a guy like me doing better on a million-dollar trucks to cut? I wanted to put the guy out of business, they thought.
Starting point is 01:33:39 And who am I doing that for? If his union involved, and the kids tell him he went here and here. So he's shown in the social clubs I went and the people are talking about, okay, this thing's mob related in their mind. It's a great title. The fucking arson became more important than the bank, all right? So, because the bank is weak. So FBI agent comes in there.
Starting point is 01:33:56 He goes, 18. Arson, by the way, just to clarify this, arson, people don't realize it. Like you say arson because they don't hear it a lot and people don't think, oh, okay, he burnt something down. It's serious, serious, fight. I don't fuck your whole life up, too. Yeah, yeah. I know guys got 15, 20, 25 years. for us to you build it
Starting point is 01:34:15 after you get out of trouble you can't go in this halfway house if you're gonna ask him because you can't get covered it really fucks your life up in a big way it does this is only fourth degree still to this day
Starting point is 01:34:28 it causes me trouble when I try to do certain you're gonna ask in charge oh my god but anyway so they arrest this kid he threatened a bank robber he starts right
Starting point is 01:34:36 oh so they call me in his room down town at the court our superior court I got the fucking prosecutor the cop from a small tom with the burglary, Lincoln Police with the bank robbery, FBI. Everybody from every crime from every town, they're all there. They're off for me 12 years.
Starting point is 01:34:51 And they first want me to talk about the bank. And I'm like, yeah, I'm like, is it? Like I always say, it's not a tough guy thing. I just don't know how to do it. Are you afraid? No, I just don't know how to start. Just stop. No, I can't do it.
Starting point is 01:35:06 I just couldn't do it. That's just the way I made. It brought me back a couple of times. I had another case is. It's a pain in you. This guy I worked for it. I just had to smash him in prison before I got out, to be honest with you.
Starting point is 01:35:19 So it was his duty. I have to throw this in there. This guy, he had a construction company and a small collar. What a fuck, Stevie Ds. Everybody knows how put his name out there. He's a fucking asshole.
Starting point is 01:35:30 Everybody says, I worked for him for a little while. So as I'm working for him, because I had to work on parole, that's when I hit the bank. So I told him Stevie, I don't want to work anymore. Just keep giving me the, you had to keep getting the job, so you understand? And so I don't want to put him out there and get him in trouble.
Starting point is 01:35:44 So I got to watch how I say it. Anyway, the cops wanted to get him for money laundering, right? And, yeah, I think I can leave this long because I don't want to get the kid. I got caught with the possession of a firearm. I'll put it this way. The firearm belonged to a fucking ex-cop. They were so fucking, how's the bank robber got this gun? And they thought, which ain't true, that he gave it to him.
Starting point is 01:36:07 I said, we're fucking busing his boss. So anyway, they kept begging me, come up to the prison. And why are you protecting the Stevie D? Because they wanted all that money he had, a lot of money. They didn't like him. He had multi-million dollar businesses. They wanted to take him down. They kept off my deals.
Starting point is 01:36:20 I'm in high security. Two years into my bid, Dean, classification, I get done as a fucking cops. Get the fuck out of you. Why are you protecting that Stevie? I'm walking. Fuck you. Dean, he's no good. Yeah, shut the fuck.
Starting point is 01:36:30 This fucking kid never sent me a fucking dime. I did 18 years. And it kept him out of the can, right? Motherfucker. I get out. He's trying to fucking act like he's trying to help me. He doesn't make any. Jetchers. I don't plot. I'm like, damn, I'm going to have to fucking do something to this kid, right?
Starting point is 01:36:46 Anyway, hands up in the can. Oh, he lied to me. Someone's going to run this thing, this, that, nothing to happen. I got fed up, but anyway, I just got sad down recently for a year. I finally, I was out for three years. I got tripped up a little bit with neurons. I went back a month here, a month there, but I got acclimated to the world. So going back now, I was like, oh, my fucking God. I was like, civilized. It was the worst experience over that year. It was fucking horrible. But I flattened my bid. My third-year bid's over now. That's the bill.
Starting point is 01:37:13 I'm only on probation now, which is bad, but not like parole. But in that year, a few days before, a couple weeks before I got out, who comes in? He's an older guy. He's like, man, I don't want to fucking bully him. And so he's in his cell. My friend, come here. Shut the fuck. Mother fuck.
Starting point is 01:37:30 Believe me, he was deserving of it. I don't even know why. I forget why I'm telling your story. He was part of one of the cases they kept begging me and offering me a deal. Well, that's why I'm telling you. I kept him out of trouble. Never helped me out, not once a motherfucker. So I ended up
Starting point is 01:37:44 So I ended up catching I took 50 30 to serve his wife I don't know if I said this already But I remember the FBI agent came in room I probably told you this He said Dean You're a major league player
Starting point is 01:37:57 On a minor league team He goes I thought I was going to be chasing you for seven years Meaning I fucked up by fucking working with these clowns right I was desperate right I just didn't see it now He goes You and I know the feck and bank's feet,
Starting point is 01:38:11 they're not going to take the, you know, government's probably going to buy. His state's probably going to try on that. East province one. He goes, but, and he was right. He goes, this arcing case is good. Now, fuck you.
Starting point is 01:38:20 You're only going to get 10 years. He goes, but I'm going to get a pristine jury out of South County and you're going to get the 25 years on the three strikes. Here, it's called a bitchal offender. And believe me, he can make it happen. So I can catch 25 years, no parole. Another 10 years for the arson, let's say, right?
Starting point is 01:38:35 So that's like 35 years in the can, right? And then he goes, the government's going to take you for the gun. That's, for me, a gun is 21, 22 years. They match me out. Because I got all these points, the shootings, the robberies. So we're talking fucking Jesus, man, 70 years or something. Which is very, nothing to do with the banks, mind you. The assing and the gun.
Starting point is 01:38:55 So everybody keeps, that doesn't understand. Understand this, please. I took the deal, kept everybody out of trouble, and no one else got pinched. I had a couple of cold offenders. I took that deal because I saved my life. Look at me. I'm out now.
Starting point is 01:39:10 If I didn't, I tried to fight all them, one at a time. I didn't have the money until. I probably got 10 years here, 50 over here, 25 people over here. That's what I was up again. But I also had to eat the banks, which I did do. I know, I'm rocking. I'm like, she around. They knew I did it.
Starting point is 01:39:23 And so I said, all right, you can have this, but you're not getting my codefend. I had a co-defendant at one bank who never took a pinch, and they went to me to see a lucky fucking needs little rat. And so I kept my friends out of the can. Did anybody help me this? Fuck no. Just my family. Just to put that in there.
Starting point is 01:39:37 But no one knows are you supposed to keep your fucking mouth shut anyway. I always tell guys that, don't thank me. I did it do your favor. I do what I'm supposed to do. People don't look at it like that anymore. But anyway, I caught the 18, I mean the 30 years to serve. All right? So this is a significant part of my life.
Starting point is 01:39:53 I get back. The prison's all fucked up. I'm guys that told you. I'm all fucked up. I'm selling an H. A cat and mouse game with their screws all the time. In and out of high security, 24-hour day lockdown. A guy ended up dying.
Starting point is 01:40:05 He wanted to charge me with his body. He died on age. I'm like, so anyway, I'm in high security for this. The guy you passed away in the heroin, right? What happened is this. People think it exploded in his stomach. I don't know what. I didn't have nothing to do it, but this is what I know about it
Starting point is 01:40:19 because I have a police report. The kid had a couple of grams of age in his stomach for like five days. He was panicking and he couldn't get it out, right? He finally gets it out. And so, I'm trying to just word, just trying to. He gets it out. He doesn't know nothing about heroin.
Starting point is 01:40:38 Funny thing is, his brother and his mother died of heroin. He could never have a heroin act. All this thing wants to do it. I don't know what the fuck is, I don't know. He takes him out. What happens is when they age, in those days of you, if it gets moist and damp, it condenses, right? So he thinks he's taking out two bags, it's probably eight.
Starting point is 01:40:53 That's the only best way I can explain it. This is what he must have did. And so he got the dope body, takes him a little on, and he writes a note, to him to his cell, neighbor in his cell. Give this to Dean and dies. What the fuck? He died enough to put my...
Starting point is 01:41:09 He was more or less. right in the nose to tell somebody that the age to me. The reason why he was doing it, because he worked in an industrial building. So sometimes you might not see a guy for a week. You can't catch him. He works in industry. He eats first. You can't.
Starting point is 01:41:21 What the fuck? So you'll say to him. Give it to that guy to give him to that guy. He'll get it. You know how it goes, right? And that's how you want to fucking note. I go in the fucking, what they call a rail hall. This woman is his SIE.
Starting point is 01:41:30 It was a best guy who's standing over a map. She's a bitch, right? A bitch woman. I say, hey. And I get the humor. You see how my humor is. I'm fucking nuts. Hey, what's going on?
Starting point is 01:41:40 I'm just looking for a place to send you in this fucking country like she's a general fucking... Aten over a map, right? I said, don't do me any fucking favors. I hate this place, right? You fucking ass what that kid's dead, you know? I didn't do what I'm supposed to do. Anyway, I went to high security meeting.
Starting point is 01:41:55 I had a Spanish friend who's Latin King. My boy Atlanta, my shout out of this dog. They all know him around here. He's kind of bowed out of that life somewhat graciously, but he did time for two bodies. He was a serious kid in that life. I rode with him a lot in there. He was a Latin King.
Starting point is 01:42:10 I mean, I got other stories about beefs. I left the beef all I had in that story. I don't know if I should put that one in there. When I came back on this beef, that was the other beef. I want to hear the beef. I got to tell a story. It's pretty colorful, all right? All right.
Starting point is 01:42:25 So I'm trying to think of what fucking, yeah, this was. There's so many problems. I think it was during my other bid, right? 94. Yeah, it was my other bid for bank robbery. This was when the prison started changing, as I told you guys. So I had already assaulted the CEO, right, I went to high security for the assaultment CEO back then.
Starting point is 01:42:45 And so, it might sound crazy people. So they don't want me over there with him all that problems. I send you to me in security, which is just like a maximum security, right? Around here it is. No different. And in prison had changed. Now we got gangs. I already had to be for those fucking five percenters.
Starting point is 01:43:01 I tended to be for every fucking new group that came in. Why I don't know? So they went to the child line, which is standing outside the. And these guys, this big motherfucker with his friends. The day before I was in a pit working out, there's this big dude, he's about 6'5, 240. He's got the fucking 80s, and he's talking about, yeah, so anyway, he didn't take a bed.
Starting point is 01:43:22 This fucking guy said to him and he goes, you know what that is? That's the fighter. His name was Manny Contreras. Manny Hazel's a crate, Petraeus. He fought Riddick Boe. He got fucking, Ridic Boe took him out in the first round, but to make it that far to even fight Riddick Boe suggests
Starting point is 01:43:35 you must have some fucking monsters. I said to my friend, for that fucking kid. The next fucking day, I'm gonna beef with the guy. We're standing in line. I'm that old school con. You don't cut me in line. I'll cut your head off. That was the thinking, you know? Here he comes with his friends. They think they're running a joint. All these young boys are all Latin kings. Cut the line. I said, oh, what the fuck he is doing? He turns out. You got a problem with that? Here I do. I ain't got no weapon on me. I'm like,
Starting point is 01:43:59 jeez. Here we go. He goes to eat and I run back to the block. I couldn't get back out. It's a lunchtime. Guys are coming to me. Dino's Latin Kings are gathering. I got, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got my one loyal friend. He was a fighter. That fighter and his brother are a fighter. My friend, Gemma, whoever you want on your, knows. Very, very lawyer has been in my corner all the time.
Starting point is 01:44:19 This poor kid, I put him in this fucking situation. He, uh, so I got a knife in the yard, but the fucking Latin kings are between me and that barrel where the knife is. So I have to make a quick razor just to get there. I make a couple of raises and get my friend one. My friend's a tough kid with his hands. He's a fighter, too. They're all pro fighters, but I'm not. I walked down there
Starting point is 01:44:38 A couple of guys Like I got your back Right A couple of guys saying If they don't mean it A couple guys meant it Because they threw with that In King's Gander
Starting point is 01:44:45 I just kids a fucking monster I'm thinking I'm gonna get this fucking Right Like that's a stupid razor I gotta get my knife I go up to him That shit that happened
Starting point is 01:44:53 Oh miss motherfucker hit me Good thing he's big And I was quick And I seen it And I went with it And he just he caught me He caught me But I had went with it
Starting point is 01:45:01 And nothing really happened Right I got lucky He's not a fucking again But I had my razor in my pants. And when I moved the razor, I had to reach out and get my friends
Starting point is 01:45:10 and I got knocked out. He said, no, I grabbed the razor. I step back. Sorry, I'm moving on. So, it's on. I got the razor like, you motherfucker. Come on. I'm swiping at him.
Starting point is 01:45:19 He's throwing punches. But he's so big I can, like, I'm slipping and fucking, and he's getting a little, so anyway, somebody starts shump me from behind. No, I got two fucking guys. I'm swinging.
Starting point is 01:45:28 I hit him and swing. I'm in fucking trouble. I didn't know if my friend started beating up the kid's brother. My friend, they're both big kids. One of them was really big. My friend is on the other kid. So I guess sick and his...
Starting point is 01:45:40 Well, as this is going on, I can have a couple of friends. They got involved. One kid slipped in, he goes, man, your business. He hit one of the Lank Kings and took him out of the picture. Another kid, when I'm turning around to fight the littler guy, another friend, Ricky, Ricky Silva, I got to give him a shout on this because he saved my ass. He hit the fucking box up.
Starting point is 01:45:56 Boom, motherfucker. But he kept moving. These guys did these little punches to keep these fucking, like a pack rat's all trying to get me, understand? And everybody's like, bing, boom, boom. So I'm in the middle of this. Long story short, I think my friend went to cut him and clipped his shoulder off. It was me, I don't remember.
Starting point is 01:46:12 My friend gets confused about it, but I know what happened after this. So I chased him down a little bit. Now he's on the runway. I'll tell you why. He's a tough kid, but he's not, as we're moving around and he sees the blood. And I went like to say, you're going to die today, you motherfucker. I got in his head. He started thinking he's going to die, I guess, because he's like,
Starting point is 01:46:31 what's up. Because I meant that I didn't give a fuck. At the time, I'm not like to say. now if I went into that place and one guy a man knows and he's looking another man in the eye if you had half a fucking brain this guy's gonna kill me if i don't do something and that's why riddick bull took him out in that fucker you ever see the footage of manit contrar hazel's contrar's a rig ball really well puts him down quick but you see how much of a monster the kid is but anyway he almost need me so i'm trying to get to the bucket where the knife is right it's in the sand
Starting point is 01:46:58 bucket i go to get it he grabs my head foo oh my god that fucking knee foo right just I can't you. He was frustrating the hell out of me. I get up, I swipe at him, trying to get the knife. Nope, couldn't get it. So, chasing them all over the handball caught. The other kid's kicking me from behind. Here comes the fucking squad. No, they call it cold blue. My friend, so I chased the little one down and kept punching me in the back of the fucking head.
Starting point is 01:47:21 I chased him down, I cut his coat open. When I did that, the big guy went over to my friend. My friend was on top of his brother, a fucking pounder arm. He got my friend and meet him in the fucking face. It smashed all of this in, right? And as soon as he did it, It's not like you're supposed to be helping. I said, help me the mudline, ran over and I caught him.
Starting point is 01:47:37 I opened them. It was two razors. I put two blades on it, you understand, for a maximum effect. That's all I had. I went another one up against this guy with a razor. I just needed to get to my knife just in case. Sure enough, it came in handy. So what I had.
Starting point is 01:47:48 Open them up. The guy turns out, he's afraid of his own blood is what happened, I guess. I opened him up. Now he's bleed all here comes the squad. Spanish girl. Other seals are like afraid. I'm not going over there. Oh, I thought I lost it.
Starting point is 01:48:01 So other seals didn't want to get involved. They said it's nuts back then And someone still got a bad nickname There's this woman who didn't care about that She didn't know what's going on She just figures it's a fist fight Spanish correction also I still know I still seen it
Starting point is 01:48:13 She just retired She grabs me I think I don't know See it's small here Sometimes the SEALs are part of the Latin kings and shit You don't know what's going on around here She's yelling at him in Spanish
Starting point is 01:48:23 She's telling me I abstain, abstain, I'm fucking swinging her around Like a little fucking Fuck off me I got one hair cuff on me Soon she got the hair cuff on here This fucking guy comes She's gonna fucking pound me
Starting point is 01:48:32 I took care I threw her on the fucking ground Get the fuck out I got one cuff I picked the thing up Let's go He took off Anyway all come Please dean
Starting point is 01:48:40 I said alright I ain't cuffing up first Fuck that I would walk to segregation Like fuck you I ain't cuffing me And then he fucking Fucked me up
Starting point is 01:48:48 Why I'm handcuffed That's what can happen In the yard You gotta watch out for that shit Right So everybody got cuffed up And then I went last That's a sag right
Starting point is 01:48:56 He pointed me out Like a fucking Irish set I'll never forget it There is a dude You fucking but the tallest seen me do it anyway so went to high security ended up not charging me he said I don't care I'm not
Starting point is 01:49:08 gonna press charges whatever I went to high security for a while while I was in high security I got those dog kennels as you know like all around he comes at first I'm in a cage with just Cuban who I knew a long time a very dangerous guy he's trying to tell a Cuban in Spanish to move on me and that guy's
Starting point is 01:49:24 well you want my friend this guy good man you make a mistake you fuck though you make a mistake you apologize and he did like a man not like a coward he's like Dean, I want to apologize for what happened. You know, I was wrong. He was, I learned the lesson. He didn't do it like a coward.
Starting point is 01:49:38 He did like a man who knew he was wrong, and he finally he fucking admitted to it. Whether this makes sense to anybody out there or not sometimes these things happen. So he was all right, he went. Years later, he came back. He just died while my brother was here of cancer. He shriveled up and died of cancer.
Starting point is 01:49:51 This guy was a heavyweight fighter. But anyway, I didn't mean to take you all the way back. I had to tell you that part. That's one of the things that happened. It happened right after you're sorry. I went to high security, did a couple years. Then I went back to Max, right? The fuck, I got to tell you this last part, I'm in maximum security.
Starting point is 01:50:06 The day I get there, I'm in the middle of a shape, down. So I go to my, I'm walking my cell. I handcuff your, and to the bar sometimes in front of your cell. Who's coming down to tear? The fucking C.O.I assaulting. I said, these motherfuckers, they're going to get, and here it is four years later. And you're coming down, they're still,
Starting point is 01:50:22 if it doesn't do nothing, nothing. He became a very humble guy. I don't know what I got to say because of that. It's almost like we all survived the war together. You got people even on the other side. When the war is all. But it's like, how you doing? How you doing?
Starting point is 01:50:34 And that's what kind of what it became like, you know? And you ended up dying a cancer, too. The fucking people were dropping it left and right. I don't know why. But anyway, to fast forward, well, I don't fucking. I left off with that. But, oh, and I went back to, I caught the bid, the 30 years. So I'm in high, this is an important part I want to tell.
Starting point is 01:50:51 So I got a little bit of trouble with high security for trafficking. I'm like, you fucking getting old. I'm in high security selling though. You're getting over. What are you doing me? Fuck, you're 35. No, at the time it was like 43. I was a few years into the bed.
Starting point is 01:51:03 I caught it when I was 35. I was like 42 now, like seven years. I'm like, what the fuck? He's going to do. The reason why is I'm watching guys around me fucking deteriorating. Understand? It's scary. You start to question.
Starting point is 01:51:15 You don't see any. I was in sake for two years, 23 hours a day, lockdown. You understand? That's a fucking other guys who are in 5, 6, 7, 10, 20 years. But two years is enough for me. Little things are half for them. One friend of my next thought, again, to give an example, he's going to hear this is what you fucking asshole
Starting point is 01:51:32 I won't say his name but he's in the vet So every day we come on and go to say Keep going in my fucking cell and shaking it down Then we would come out in this little courtyard We were at a level Instead of the cage is not when it's courtyard
Starting point is 01:51:42 You go to two levels right So he thinks they're shaking his cell down He'd say when he goes out I don't think so I would see it because I'm telling him And he's the type of guy You fucking smash the CO over that Like stop fucking around to me
Starting point is 01:51:52 So he's like there I said no So this is what I have to There's a reason why I tell you this He's like So I said Let's see tomorrow I go out
Starting point is 01:51:59 I watched. They didn't go in this. I said, they, don't tell me. I said, why do you think they shook you down? He said, they keep moving my fan. I said, it's your fan. Where is it? So my desk. Is it on? Yeah, is it on high? Your fucking fan is jumping down, you fucking. But that's what that place does there. Didn't we move your fan? It's moving on its own. Oh, what the fuck? You was fucking fucking. And that's the shit. There was one guy who tap on your fucking wall and seg for weeks. first you get to know you and tell you a few things you might tell him a few things about yourself my grandmother died my wife that's why your wife left you fucking scumbaggar would tap on your fucking wall every waking moment that he could he would take you into a dark
Starting point is 01:52:43 place you gotta you gotta be careful right so that was going on one guy's an event it's me and your wife why'd you kill me he's telling the fuck guys are sticking shit people are going fucking nuts right i'm like what the fuck am i so let me try artwork i was like a fucking little kid That didn't work. So one day, I just kids said, write some stories. So I had this kid. He's like a hardened killer in the cell next to me.
Starting point is 01:53:03 And I wrote this story about, every time I bring the fire up, something comes home and it's the weirdest thing. So I wrote the story about the fire bombers. And the fucking kid was so impressed. He's like, Dean, you got to keep writing. You don't understand. You move me with that story.
Starting point is 01:53:19 And every time I even think about it, get an emotion, the weirdest thing. Probably because my whole family almost go whack, probably. I don't know. That story is what kicked. Then I wrote the other one, there's a couple I always stick to. The fire, I forget what the other one is now. Probably when I got waved out or something, whatever it was.
Starting point is 01:53:36 A couple of significant things. But anyway, that's what kicking you off. And then I started realizing the therapeutic value of writing. So that led me to wanting to take a college course to get better at writing. So I took a Brown University college course that was available. And that led me to want to get more than me. I started getting the conference. At first, I didn't have the conference to go to college.
Starting point is 01:53:55 I didn't think I had it in me. I didn't realize my level of intelligence was I had that ability. Not that was super smart, but I realized within myself I have an ability to go to college. If you don't know any of stuff, you're a little intimidated by it. So I ended up getting an associate's degree, right? And I started like getting civilized. I started trying to do it. And then I asked them in maximum screening to give me a chance to talk to the kids.
Starting point is 01:54:19 And at first, my agenda to talk to the kids was just, I want to, you know, show the probe what I'm doing something. I didn't give a fuck, right? High school kids, middle school kids, college kids, and sometimes civilians, right, giving speeches. And that really had an impact on me. It got twisted on me, like, in other words, it affected me in a good way, right? I was like, wow.
Starting point is 01:54:37 So this is, like, my journey to getting civilized. The funny thing is, I could be writing about, let's say, a pregnant woman, which I know not about. And you're in the cell next to me, and your sister's pregnant, right? And let me ask a question on the phone, right? Come on, man, I'm trying to run. Hey, in your third trimester.
Starting point is 01:54:51 So the weird thing is you get to know people and know things by writing about. characters. The characters almost become real. It's the weirdest thing how it takes you down that journey, right? And that's kind of what kept me out of trouble. I started writing. I started talking to kids. I finally made it to a meeting. They let me in a dog program. I got a barber's license which I don't even use, but I wanted to do it to get myself to see if I could do it, be honest with you. You know, I had a few accomplishments along the way. I'm even in a bachelor's degree program now, but I just don't really have the time to go. There's one of two other things
Starting point is 01:55:19 in the air I was able to accomplish. But the writing, I actually have part two to the book I have now. Actually, I'm plugging the book now. Is that okay? Oh, well, of course. What is the name of the book? So, the book is dark impressions, right? I want to tell you about this book. This book here, I was in segregation and maximum security when it came out. I don't know why I can't get it right. Right. I'm going to tell you about this ugly cover, actually. Dark Impressions by Dean Wokes and written in a maximum security cell, okay? I want to tell you about a little bit. So I'm in National Security about 12 years ago. I started writing this, right? I had to buy books.
Starting point is 01:55:54 to learn how to write about books. I'm not just great writer, but apparently I got something in there that attracts people, right? But, so it took me four times. And first, I had to learn how many words. I had to keep it around 80, 60 to 80,000 words. If you overdo it, that's too much, blah, blah, blah. I had to learn a lot about writing. But anyway, while everyone's screaming and how I'm not about sports and talking shit,
Starting point is 01:56:15 I mean, I'm in that fucking cell. I became like a fucking animal. Toolden, I'm in my, I'm walking, oh, yeah, I'm going to get to this chapter, right? People are like, what the fuck is that this guy? It just consumes you, right? And so I bought a few books and learned how to write and took the college courses like I told you. And that just led to me opening expand in my mind, right? And I did a couple of other things I can't really think of.
Starting point is 01:56:39 They don't seem significant on the surface. But for a guy like me and my situation, there were a couple of courses. Here's what happened too. So the head was called the Sunshine Program, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. did it. They fund. You have to have a certain score, certain level to get in it. Once you get, because normally you're just to one class a year. If you get in this program, which I did, you get like two, four, six, eight classes a year. That's a lot in prison. So basically I got my thing. I was taking two at a time. That's really big in prison to get it done
Starting point is 01:57:14 that fast. But I had one, whatever, the contest to get in it. Then I wrote, I can't remember for my life. I wrote a national essay up against people on all the prisons and all the people on the street and won, like third place, I won 500 miles which went to paying for some of my classes, all right? And I want to tell you about an essay I wrote that didn't go anywhere where I thought was worthy, Justice Department challenged inmates all around the country to write something. You may have seen this. To write something, they think it helped change the recidivism, right? And I thought this was a good idea because I thought of myself.
Starting point is 01:57:52 So you probably know guys. There's a lot of guys in the can. They could be tough guys on the yard. They got a reputation, but they're terrified to go to school. And here's why they can't sit in that classroom with a bunch of, the same guy you might have been extorting or who looks at in a certain way. Now they become the guys almost in control because they know they're intelligent and you take a back seat them in that classroom.
Starting point is 01:58:14 It sounds stupid, but some guys have false pride. They're not going to let this guy who he could explain. thought and suddenly be in charge in the classrooms. I don't know if that makes sense to you. Yeah. So I happen to know that a lot of guys who want to change, they have that energy to be an asshole in prison and be dangerous. They're looking for a way out.
Starting point is 01:58:36 They don't really know how. And school obviously education is the way out, but they can't do that. They can't transform. My brother was like that. That's how I really know. You have to sit in your mind. Fuck it. I'll go in here.
Starting point is 01:58:46 It sounds stupid, but it's a real thing. Nobody wants to look like stupid in front of everybody else. So I said, I wrote in an essay, why don't you try to take virtual reality? You start these guys off in a classroom of virtual reality. Not only got nobody else watching just an instructor and they can learn like that and they can progress like that until their confidence is built to sit into a classroom. But I never heard back from that. So that was my, you know, chance at some type of significant essay. Probably that would probably require more money than they wanted to.
Starting point is 01:59:22 Yeah, right, right. You know, that's the stuff I probably didn't know. But, hey, you want an idea. Here you go. But I know that I could change certain guys who are unable to make that transformation. Because a guy that could be an asshole has a lot of energy at doing it. I don't know what he's the word asshole. I mean, he's an aggressive guy.
Starting point is 01:59:36 Oh, the whole thing is harnessing the aggression. That's all I did. I've learned to harness my aggression, you know? It's going to mention one thing. Do you know who Jordan Peterson is? he probably love his stuff he's a Canadian professor and one of the things one of the classes he teaches what's like I think it's like a course that you can buy online anyway is he talks about you know people will approach him and young men will approach him and people
Starting point is 02:00:06 approach him and be like how do you become successful and he's he said one of the things he says is well one he says you know make your bed is the first he's like we wake up in the morning you know it's like it's the first it's a start right yeah or baby steps and yeah exactly and the other thing is one of the big things is learn how to write and people kind of laugh at that they'd laugh like oh you mean like he'd be like no no he's like I mean like how to write an essay how to write an outline how to write a book because if you can learn how to write you can program your brain on how to think there you go in a long good way to put it that's right and most people can't do it most people can write a note Hey, I go into the grocery store.
Starting point is 02:00:49 Hey, pick up this. If you say, hey, can you write me an essay about what you do on a daily basis? Can't do it. Right. And the impact of it is unbelievable. Now I know why he's saying writing is catholic. I get it. No, man.
Starting point is 02:01:01 It reprograms your brain. And it allows you. It teaches you how to think constructively is, I think, one of the things he says. That's right. You could be writing about a character similar to you in the book. And you're making change in his character's life. like the fuck you could be doing it what the fuck you're saying the characters don't it changed my trajectory in life i'm not saying i have a little hiccups along the way but it really did to change my
Starting point is 02:01:24 trajectory well you know what you said is the same thing with me i actually had to buy and have several books sent into me to learn how to read those books like how to you know that's what i it was like um and i mean that i bought the ones that were like um how to write a memoir for dummies I'm striping books up all over the place I mean I'm reading these books and and they're you know they were great you read them and then you start with an outline and you build the outline and before you know it
Starting point is 02:01:55 you don't really need the outline anywhere I'll still do it but it's great and it does it reprograms you when I was in prison and I started doing that over that course of that six month period to a year that I taught myself how to write that's when I think there was just
Starting point is 02:02:13 probably a real fundamental change in my thinking on, yeah. I'll tell you, one of the significant ways that impacted me is prison when you're doing a lot of time you're going young and robs you have your identity in a way, right?
Starting point is 02:02:28 Not if you, if you were already like old and you had a life and you go in, like your identity kind of stays in time, I went as a kid when already lost. So I'm winning at 16, here I'm at fucking 42 when I start, really got no real identity out in the world. And I wanted the fucking identity. Like, Attach author to it or something.
Starting point is 02:02:44 I don't know. Something like that. I wanted to do something. Other than, I got, first of all, when I first seen the word sociopath or institutionalized, I was like, no fucking way. That's not, because my picture could have been next to it, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:02:55 That inspired me to go, and at that time, I know everybody at what looked at me as exactly that. Now, I'm not saying you've got to care about what everybody thinks, but you can also glean from what they're saying. That's what might be wrong with you. Like, I don't know if that makes sense, but I didn't like that words, man. And so all that type of shit inspired me to fucking, you know, accomplish something.
Starting point is 02:03:16 Sometimes I do for the wrong reasons, but I still arrived there if that makes sense. Yeah. You know? I have a friend. I want to move in his name. And he did, I want to say 30 years and went in when it was like 19, 20, young, did like 30, probably a little bit more than 30 years. And one of his biggest problems now is that. He's like, I have no interests other than prison-related interests.
Starting point is 02:03:47 I know people. Gang. Yeah, gang activities. Like, it's like, all I want to watch, all I think about, all I, wow, I have no interest. And he hates it. Like, he hates it about himself. And he doesn't know how to change it. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:04:01 Wow. I think I was stuck like that. I have a relative was stuck like that. I was like, that's what inspired me to change. I'm like, I'm not going to be like that. standing around talking the same old bullshit. The fuck, no way. That's scary.
Starting point is 02:04:15 But I don't want to, um, I don't want to fucking, you know, I understand that poor gentleman situation. I need to acknowledge that too, that he's stuck, you know, and I get it. Thank God I had the ability to get it. I'm not saying I'm completely afraid. I'm fucking still got issues going on, but I have a good work ethic.
Starting point is 02:04:32 I can conduct myself in a conversation on it. You've got to just learn some simple things, and you can fake your way to the rest until you get there. If you keep doing it over and over, you'll just, you'll arrive at some point. But you've got to start somewhere. Maybe he's got to get away from any element he's around, something like that. I don't know, man. Oh, gosh.
Starting point is 02:04:48 God. I see guys in the stores and ties. What the fuck? A guy in a restaurant. I was in a kid. You're all proud. Come on, knock it off. Way on my fucking girl, what are you doing?
Starting point is 02:04:58 I don't like that shit. But, you know, I've got a lot of relatives. One who's here now, like, these people are fucking civilized. And what's the way I'm looking for? They're like, well, adjusted. you know I'm not going to come on and look at what they expected and they got something different which I'm sure they're proud of right you know when you hear the story then you meet me like Wayne this game exactly what we thought you're like running around with a fucking what a fucking
Starting point is 02:05:24 butcher knife all day I don't know so I like to try to I'm just trying to shake that that title off that image off and I am able to do that once I meet you and talk to you you know that's it's a big thing learning how I even conduct the conversation you know I'm going to tell you the biggest thing I've learned about doing time. The biggest thing is emotional intelligence. For those days, they're not familiar with it. That's when you're misdirected anger. You're getting mad or something.
Starting point is 02:05:51 You're blaming on somebody else. What happens is in prison, you don't really have real life experiences. People are going to weddings. They're going to funerals. People are dying. You don't grow with that shit. It's happening all the world, but it ain't happen too. Like you're growing up as a kid.
Starting point is 02:06:05 So there's no emotional growth. And that's like emotional intelligence. So now you're used to being in prisoning. John pissed you off, so you're going to fucking smack Tony in the fucking face because you're going to be bad. That's all a misdirect. That's all emotional intelligence shit.
Starting point is 02:06:19 You got to learn to control your emotions. That's a big one, right? A lot of guys on the can, there's no emotional growth. They get out, and they don't emotionally know how to respond to stuff. Somebody died. Even when I first got out, I could be close to you. Hey, my mother died.
Starting point is 02:06:32 I get all fucked up. Like, what am I supposed to do? I don't know what the fuck to say. Really, I'm supposed to know what to say. And I don't like saying generic stuff I'm so sorry for your loss I can't fucking stand that I hate to say that
Starting point is 02:06:42 I know people mean well I hate generic talk You're saying whatever else is going to say And I shut up I wouldn't say that to people I don't hate that But I just don't like generic I'd rather
Starting point is 02:06:53 I'll wait, give a guy a time And then go see him whenever everybody's done With your generic bullshit Say everybody else goodbye then Honey let's go to dinner You don't fuck I know that fake shit right I'll be like
Starting point is 02:07:03 Listen man I can imagine what you're going through It was just weird I have a different approach to that stuff, you know, but in the early days, when I got out, I didn't know how to respond to any of that stuff. Somebody died in your feeling, okay, I got to get out of you. I don't know what this is a fucking asshole, but that's because I didn't know. I don't know emotionally how to respond to things.
Starting point is 02:07:21 So prison fucked you up. I did 38 years for you caught the last year I just did that one year. It's a lot of, I did my whole life in there. I just can't believe it when I look from the outside. But I also am grateful that I can conduct myself. I've been, you know, I'm doing all right as far as. Ackling back to the world and how to use my phone I got a bank account all this stuff
Starting point is 02:07:40 It's like going to NASA for me But I gotta say I've been on right I'm struggling You know I'm getting over my head with bills and shit I don't know how to You know Spend properly See how's that word you said
Starting point is 02:07:54 Budget your money Yeah yeah sure like that all there you know And uh but I have good people around me I've been very fortunate man You know and they come from nowhere You know Sometimes it's never a person you expect you know Like the guy who's got me, he started here
Starting point is 02:08:08 I'm gonna just give Ryan a shout out My niece's husband This is a kid who believes in me Other people, because I fell down A couple of times, they don't get it Yeah, I came when I was unpro Under a lot of stress And some powder
Starting point is 02:08:20 I fell down, went back Oh my God, he's going Are you out of your fucking mind? I was shooting guys and robbing banks All right, I slipped for taking Aces This is mine or fall I know it's bad But listen
Starting point is 02:08:32 This is me tripping along the way I'm trying to get there So I fell down it because of everyone Massive improvement. Yeah, a massive improvement. He's going to, yeah, yeah, fucking, man. Phel in the UK is a massive improvement compared to the robbery. And they don't get it.
Starting point is 02:08:47 But this kid gets it. Ryan's like, all right, he fell down, but I know what he's got in him. He believes in me, right? And I get a couple people believing me, and they get behind me, and they push. While other people kind of give up, they don't want to say it. They can't let me know I say it, but, yeah, it kind of, you know, that it wasn't with me all the way. But I got a couple of family members that have been with me from the beginning.
Starting point is 02:09:04 But they're, even they're a little hesitant because I fall. down. Hey, listen, like you said, there's still an improvement. You can tell if you know anything about me, my strengths, when I've overcome, I'm really trying to get this done. I'm trying to make something of this. I've got no fucking choice. I got to do something different. I got our job, but just the job won't cut it. I got to come up with something a little more. Another job or something, you know, but, you know, I don't know if I wrap that story up. Yeah, yeah, you're good. we're good um do you want so what what of what social media uh platforms do you have is it well you know like youtube do you have youtube i'm on youtube i've youtube channel which uh someone
Starting point is 02:09:47 more or less manages when we know nothing about it right they helped me with it and my niece just put me on ticot like a week ago and all of a sudden all these people got interested right and uh they're telling me now no really all i did all this to plug the book which is really what this is. No, of course it feels good. I have that small part of me that tries to get back in his own way. But at the end of the day, I ain't got to be a phone. I am trying to plug my book. I got money to make here. A lot of hard work, right? So, but things are starting to happen along the way. And so for those of you that haven't seen this book yet, there are any of these dark impressions. I wrote this thing in the can all in the hole. I was so ignorant to this stuff. Look at me.
Starting point is 02:10:27 I can't even find my way. So I wrote this book in present, dark impressions. Right? I don't know if I told you. So, I'm in segregation. Oh, yeah, I wanted to finish telling you about their cover. I'm in segregation. Did I tell you that I was in segregation? The CEO lets me see it on the computer. Right? I'm in segregation. I'm in a hole for something. I wrote the book. I sent it to some woman. That's a whole other story. This woman I met, I had to find someone else because I couldn't have a routing number in prison. You can't put on Amazon on a routing number. So I found this woman I wanted to help me at it, right? She helps me
Starting point is 02:11:00 We're going back and far from sending her the manuscript This fucking cycle starts thinking of books hers Right, get out, she's selling them on the side That's a whole other fucking issue I was so fucking, she's in another state Trying to fucking putting her title on my book Unbelievable story, right? Meanwhile, I was in Seg, with Dason
Starting point is 02:11:18 And I'm walking by with handcuffs, sorry, I said to seal Didn't you ever see if my book's up? And he goes, come here, he shows it to me And there it is online, I got all excited I went back to myself It was my first moment of crossing over into doing something, you know, and significant. I got through that segregation bid with a fucking smile. I just feel like I accomplished something.
Starting point is 02:11:36 I can accomplish anything now. That whole mentality is what is what, you know, I got inspired, let's say, right? I never looked back to him. I got in trouble along the way he still sold how long as I need to make ends meet. I had to pay for the people to, you know, help me with the book and stuff. But I kept writing and writing and it just kept me out of trouble, you know. but you know you can't quit your day job writing either you know here it is years later I kind of set the book down I got part two sitting at home
Starting point is 02:12:02 lethal ties it's the same character the protagonist you follow him as he now becomes disillusioned with the life right and the difficulties of detaching yourself from the life right and I wrote my autobiography which is just said these things have been collecting dust I've now been inspired to go back at it because they sat like I told you he sat me down for a year you know I had some other issues going on and ended up getting, I was in the middle of divorce. I'm still in a struggle, don't get me wrong.
Starting point is 02:12:29 You know, I'm working. I work pretty hard. I'll tell you what, I got to give these two guys a shout that help me because it comes from nowhere. So, for one, I needed a car, obviously, to get to work. I scraped up $1,000 of a friend. I needed $2,000 to get this car to this car lot. And these guys bent over backwards at Richmond Motors for me, right? And I wanted to give them a shout out from North Main Street.
Starting point is 02:12:51 These guys helped me out big, They bent over and made it. So they got all the places in Rhode Island. I won't say the name there. But they're like loan sharks compared to these guys. These guys made it possible for me. The ex-con with my difficulty to get out. And I got myself in 2016 Ultima, but hey, it gets me back and forth to work.
Starting point is 02:13:08 So those two guys down there, they help, they, oh, she sounds to the names allude me now. But anyway, they help me out at Richmond Motors. So if you're in this area, and you've got an issue with that, you'll make sure you check out of Richmond Motors. And my other thing is the guy I worked for. This guy held my job for a year. This is how much this guy. And they don't really need me there. He just wants to make sure they keep on the right track.
Starting point is 02:13:36 So I work at this heat treating plant. It hasn't been, that's in heat treatment. And of course, they gave me a way to describe what I do. I treat metals. I don't even have the professional way to say it. But I'm still, I'm not a metalurgist or nothing, but we do treat metals and alloys for various companies. It could be clips for guns, hospital implement,
Starting point is 02:13:54 and you change it by making an amenable, softening it and all this other stuff, right? Sometimes it's too brittle. So I'm still learning that game. But my boss held my job for me. He did one hell of a job. Mike, Mike Proposa. And the two guys at the Conlon,
Starting point is 02:14:10 I don't want to waste a lot of time on us, but they did so well by me. At Richard Mose, I got Mike and Mark. You look, those two up. I just, I really appreciate all you. So it's pretty good that you need those guys in your, life if you're me. You get out of the can, most people, this guy was in a can. Get rid of this fucking guy. Not these guys. They recognize sometimes
Starting point is 02:14:28 in a guy like me, just because I committed, really, I'm a guy with a work ethic. If I can go rob banks and get up and do all this other shit, that means I have a work ethic. It's just a matter of twisting it around. Some people recognize that. What you're going to say? You just have to redirect it. Redirect it. Harden said redirected, right? And the same thing with the anger, right? I think I come to look at an author. He said, by his feelings he passed away. They killed his parents.
Starting point is 02:14:54 Victor Frankl, you familiar with him, some of his quotes? Yes. Yeah. So I'm making it, making your pain, whatever. I forget it's something now. But I remember reading that, and it made sense to me, you know? It's about taking all that negative energy and twisting it, you know? Don't walk around, oh, my God, my life.
Starting point is 02:15:10 No, fuck you. I take that energy and it propels me. I don't always get it right. Sometimes I slip off the track when I'm doing it. But I keep getting my strong point is I can get back up That's my thing I get back up when I fall there I definitely fell a few times
Starting point is 02:15:23 I've got to fall along There's no way you're going to walk out of You're going to walk away from 38 years and you can And just some guys do maybe I don't know how they do it But a lot of guys are going to fall down with this Sometimes a lot of guys slip into drugs They want to fucking medicate the whole thing
Starting point is 02:15:37 Right I had my moments with that Medicaid and the issue right I never was a bad bad on drugs But boy I was abusing it caused me trouble You know too much powder. Too much this, too much of that.
Starting point is 02:15:49 And I've gotten dirty urine and it sat me down for that shit. So I'm getting there. I'm acclimating. I've come a long way and thank God for the support I got. I don't know if I finished talking about Ryan, my niece's husband, but this kid came out of nowhere. It's like, you got something there. We're going to fucking make this happen.
Starting point is 02:16:08 And this was like two fucking weeks ago. Here I'm sitting in front of you. This fucking generated happen. I don't really tell the guys that like this. They're pretty good at it, but you don't really get nothing done. This guy doesn't waste no time. He's all action. So shout out to my boy, Ryan.
Starting point is 02:16:24 I've got me in the studio. Excuse me. Let's end it with that. Okay. So my editor will probably leave it with that. Okay. Give me one second. Give me one second.
Starting point is 02:16:36 And I'm going to do a, I'm going to wrap it up. So hold on. All right. Hey, you guys. I appreciate you watching. If you like the video, do me a favor. hit the subscribe button to the bell so you get notified of videos like this also share the video we're going to leave dean's links to his book we're going to leave the links to his
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