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Bet this girl was messing with this Armiccar guy.
He'd go to the bathroom, she'd take pictures up the trip tickets.
So you'd look for the best location to whack the armica.
But you need money to operate, so we hit the bank,
I would hop over the counter and take all the money at the bottom drawers.
No di-packs, no alarms, nobody gets hurt.
Shut up and give me the money.
Usually you can hit like three towels, we'd average around 50 grand.
My earliest memory that I think my interaction with crime and violence,
which may or may have set me on that path,
is somebody in my family made him,
did something wrong to somebody.
I don't know the story, but I know this at, like, two in the morning, around 1974, I was like, I was seven, I think.
And someone threw a Maltov cocktail through our window, all right?
Yeah, it makes me nuts even thinking about it now.
So, you know, we barely survived there.
Somebody tried to erase my whole family, all right?
But somebody was awake.
My mother was coming home from somewhere.
I seen the smoke.
We just got lucky.
I went tumbling down the stairs.
Two of my brothers jumped out there.
floor windows. My other brother jumped out off the second floor roof. And I didn't really
quite understand. I remember somebody picked me up and carried me. It could have been a fireman.
And I remember as he's carrying me, I look over and the flames are shooting so far out the house.
They're looking at the high power lines, all right? And it was so bad, it burnt down the house next door.
The firefighters had to run over there and get those people out. And I got the article somewhere.
I went and got it.
And so we moved to another side of a province knit on the south side, right?
And a couple years later, they found this guy dead drowning.
What happened to him, I do not know it was just a kid.
My mother's dead now.
I know she rubbed shoulders with a lot of the wise guys and stuff.
Did I have anything to do with it?
No.
Was it a good sound for the story?
Yeah, of course.
But I don't know what happened.
I know they found that prick dead.
I remember him celebrating when I came home from school one day.
I'm like, what's going on?
He's dead, that bastard's gone, you know, something like that.
No, I didn't really know my mother had no nurturing skills at all.
She had a rough life.
I don't hold it against her.
But she didn't, I really didn't have a mother or a father.
But for a brief time after the fire, let me say this.
Now, I'm really putting stuff out there, but it's no secret around here.
My mother became a lesbian.
She was dating a rich lesbian.
That rich lesbian got us to a nice house.
Then one of my brothers started robbing the neighborhood.
And we had a Jewish feeling.
It was like a Jewish area.
Even the street left out when it was George Kipling Street.
It's off the 11th Avenue section.
I got to tell you this story because it's interesting.
So, one day the cops made a house, a bunch of stolen stuff in the neighborhoods in our garage.
The Jewish people, they put together something, put together a petition.
I didn't understand what was going on.
And then I knew later when I got older.
The neighborhood petition, they get us the hell out of the neighborhood.
And I laugh now, but damn.
And back to the west side we went
A block away from where the house fire happened
Oh, I forgot to leave, I left this part of my grandma
My foster grandma and an Irish woman
Maybe O'Donnell
Was really the only one who raised us
So I was 10 by the time we got to Crancer Street in the west side
She died, that's it, it was over
I had nobody looking out for me, no one's paying attention
I didn't go to school
I started running the streets, I'm 10
You know, I'm surviving on my own basically
I mean it was you could eat
heated the house or stuff like me and my brothers lived on a dirt floor we had no running water or heat up there
the second floor was where my fostered man father and my sister my mother would occasionally stay you know that was weird
that was a house so to speak the dirt floor it reminded me of an old western hotel uh i mean you're watching a while
west movie right but a bunch of old raggedy rickety doors the house was sold i had the kerosene um
a cop uh brass things in the wall when they used to light it for light you for electricity all right
This house was condemned and they tore it down.
But that's where it began for me.
When I embraced the streets, I was in, like, the fifth grade.
There was a lounge in my neighborhood.
I didn't go to the talk.
But anyway, let me back it up.
So I was 10.
I was going to middle school, but because we were poor.
You know, poor in those days, in the early age and assemblies,
it's a little different when they say poor now.
Now they tell you they're poor with Jordan's on.
You know, I had to whip sneakers, the dirty clothes,
and the kids would laugh at me.
And I didn't tolerate that.
It had a reaction on me.
I responded with violence.
You know, fistfight, smash a guy with something, the bottle.
I say a guy, but I was a kid.
But I learned the wrong way, obviously, how to get respect.
But we know now it's false respect.
When they're using violence to shut people up, I had to shut them kids up.
I couldn't, I walk in school, they're snickering by my back.
And what a feeling that left me.
I didn't understand any of that.
but I used a little bit of violence
and I got respect. People would shut their mouth now
when I walked by, but that was fair
and it wasn't real respect, of course.
Yeah. And, you know,
I was doing the things kids were doing in the seas.
By 11, you know, we'd grab beer off the beer
truck when it was unloading into the bar,
copper off another van, maybe it's unable to do something,
stealing car batteries, car radios.
Then I graduated to the hub caps and
eventually the whole car.
So by 13, you could say, is when I
really entered the life.
crime because I had a couple of brothers that were pimps they pimp girls all right so I grew up around
a lot of hookers I wake up and bed I got a hook up taking a break from the street you know I'm a little kid
hey cut it out dean get off me you know just a little kid but these they were like older sisters to me
all right group around a lot of hookers and uh hustlers so in our third floor was a naval hangout
crap games dope fiends in another room you open another door is a trick with a hooker a mob guy might come
up looking for a guy who did something wrong the cops were rigged the joint it's a great place for a kid
who embraced the streets, I'll tell you that.
I loved it there.
I had my own little room with a paddle-lock, you know.
I had a, the house was brutal, though.
You can hear the rats crawling around at night.
Inside my stereo with a needleless cockaroach's house.
Brutal, right?
What, it was mine.
The stolen TV on top of the radio, all that.
So I had me in a little room.
In some ways, it was the best thing as a kid, but obviously it's the worst.
Because look at the behaviors I was learning.
You know, acquiring my own stuff through stealing.
I didn't call it mine.
I'd steal it kind of act like it was mine.
So I would mimic my first time driving on around 12.
I mimic my mother.
I would steal her car at night, driving around a little bit.
Eventually, I learned to steal her car.
Now, on to, there was a lounge in my neighborhood.
The firefighter's lounge, and I needed to hang in there because of pinball machines.
It was like a den of criminals around there, wise guys, all kind of deep sitting out of there.
There was two of Nayses lounge up the street, too.
The guy didn't want me in there.
He can't, you know, then one day I looked at his car.
I had America in Montego.
He needed tires.
And this is when I started becoming wise
Like
Actually I got four teenage tires out there for you
So I gave him the tires
He let me hang it
And that became my second home
And I think from near
I went from bad to worst
That's when I meet all those
Different characters
You know
And I started I started doing burglies with a guy
Did that for a while
But for some reason
What happened also to me
If I can continue to ramble on this topic
I was going to the juvenile
training school, which I think I went at 13 for the first time. But I just could not stand
being in the cage. So every time I got a chance, I escaped. I escaped like four times. Now,
I don't make it look like this big grand escape. These are like minimum security type levels.
You'd have to wait to get out of maximum security. But still, the main thing is if you could
make it from Cranston all the way back to Providence on foot and beat the Cranston police.
That was like people would bet on you. Soon you're money. I'll bet you if 10 dollars you don't
make it. I made it every time through the city.
to my city. That was the thing.
Hide in behind fees, I'm the cars,
all kind of nonsense to make it home.
But each time I escaped,
I'd come back with a felony attack.
The first time, I think it was a B and East One car.
Next time, second time,
something else,
third time was an armed robbery.
I was graduating. I'd go to what they called the YCC.
That was the real prison for juveniles.
Youth Correctional Center.
But I'm going to tell you what happened.
This is what I believe. This is interesting.
On my third escape
What I was doing
I hated the door
I was a very internal kid and quiet
And I went to a lot with the staff there
I was just driving my stolen car
Up to the train school
Leaving drugs
Of certain spots for guys
Anybody want to leave
One day I'm sitting in the car
I got like a 30 38 on me
The staff was unit
I was just walking by me
Looking at me
I'm like that's right you motherfucker
Right
Anybody want to do something now
I was something long with me
Yeah
Because they hurt my brother
There's a lot of reasons why I did that that I can't really put together.
But I needed to snub my nose at a dory, and I did.
But those tricks got even.
I'm going to tell you what they did to me.
Can I ask you a question real quick?
How old were you?
At that time, this is between 14.
I was 14 with three escapes.
I did a whole year, and I escaped when I was 16.
And this is where the real trouble began.
And this is what they did to me.
When I was 14, calling up to the training school, stubbing my nose at him,
it took me a while to pick this apart to realize what happened.
Because really, all right, so anyway, I escaped for the fourth time.
By this time, my aggression was getting more, my anger was growing.
And I started doing armed robberies around my state.
Stealing cars, driving around powder around my neck.
I thought I was fucking John Dillinger.
I was reading a lot of Dillinger books and probably had an impact.
I mean, I don't know.
You're going to do something.
something will shape you.
I was being shaped by these books
and these films I think.
It's the only best thing I get thick of
what would make me do this,
commit this type of behavior.
Also, like, from feeling like a nobody.
Because when you're in a little prison like that,
I'm watching all these kids get visits.
Their families bring them stuff.
I'm watching their mothers walk by.
It's the fuck everybody's happy.
I'm in that fucking cell.
No mother showing up, no nothing.
The fucking anger I can put in you is unbelievable.
And when you come out of you,
the kids have a way to make me feel like,
I don't know.
Actually, you're doing it to yourself, I guess.
But you feel like a shit, like a nobody or something.
I'll show them.
I'm somebody.
The thing is, the kids are impressed with stuff like cops bringing me back with a shotgun one time.
You know, God of me.
Then I was a somebody, right?
So I would be a bad guy to be a somebody, I guess, right?
But to get back to what I was trying to say,
so on the fourth escape, I did a bunch of robies,
kind of a bunch of high-speed chasers, which I talked about in other videos.
I kept getting away.
I was developing this reputation.
I'm a somebody now.
In fact, the biggest day of my crime, my career as a kid, was when they put me in a post up.
Well, people don't know before social media, you know, why I pitch we were going to post off?
I was 16, and then the post office was like, yeah, you're a motherfucker's I did it.
That's crazy, right?
But unbelievable.
Oh, I say, yeah.
So, I don't know if I can use this word.
So I'm a punk kid running out of a gun.
I go to rob a bank deposit bag in these providence.
The guy resisted, and I popped them a couple times, okay?
I'm not proud of that innocent guy
But I've been in fucking trouble now
You mean punched him
I shot him
I don't know if I could say to where he's shot
Well he actually brought the money back home
I ring the bell
He looks at this little
I can have a half pint criminal or a gun
He gave me the money
And whatever I said to him was the bag
Right away he threw a shot
This fuck
And I'll tell you this
I tell people this story
A lot of people
I find some of this stuff hard to bleed
So down here
I'm in his house
There's a driveway.
That's like a one-way main street.
I think it's a waterman a half, I think, right?
He rings the, I ring the bell.
He comes to the door.
It just so happened.
The way he grabbed me, I put it in his belly and shot him
at a state triple road by.
Like, oh, shit, there's no way he didn't see that.
So now I run on the guy's yard.
There's a big wall.
You can't go anywhere.
Now, the cop can go down the road and go
because all these backyards are open like cement.
I'm thinking he's going to come around.
This guy's y' out with a gun.
Where's the cop?
I don't know. That's what you get from not planning the crime.
I learned a lot from there how to plan crimes after.
I trapped myself, and even realize it.
That trooper could have happened because I got a highway here,
the guy's backyard, and a big wall.
Well, I couldn't even go anywhere.
It was so stupid, right?
But the trooper didn't come.
I run back to the guy.
He's now staggering around the street.
Again, he throws another punch.
I shot him.
They went up his arm, tortured his artery.
Now it's a big racket.
People are in their windows.
What's going on?
I screw.
But now I'm really wanted.
Of course.
A couple more high-speed chases.
Back then, everybody used to listen to their police scam.
So I'm like this neighborhood guy, hero, getting away from the cops all the time.
People protected their criminals a little more than you can run to everybody's backyard and
go in a house, stuff like that.
Those days were quickly going over.
This was like 1983, oh, 16.
But anyway, on to what I really want to tell you is this.
So when you escape from the training school and you go back, especially coming back,
now we've got armed, robbery, shooting, stolen cars.
They're supposed to put you in a maximum security.
for a long time before they allow you into a minimum security.
But, no, you know what?
I got a kid.
You're also a kid, though.
Yeah, I'm a kid.
I think I messed up on the time in here.
No.
I got to go back to my, the third escape.
When I came back from the third escape, I came back for an armed robbery.
I'm sorry, I got to back this up.
I came back from an armed robbery.
And the judge warned me, he says, Mr. Wilkins,
and you realize two, because I was charged with the escape,
and I'm robbery.
He goes, two felonies after the, um, after age of 16, you're going to be tried as an adult, right?
Yeah, Your Honor, right.
I'm sorry, I'm messing this up.
I had one escape.
I had one more felony to go to mess up, all right?
He goes, one more felony could be waved out.
Okay.
But I had came back for armed and they were supposed to put me in a max end.
What they did was they put me right in the middle security type no one I was going to take off.
I think it was like paid back for going up there and doing that shit to them and rubbing it in their face.
Of course I did what I do. I escaped. Everybody's like, ha ha, asshole, you're going to prison now. Sure enough, I escaped again, committed all those crimes. Now, I can't blame them, but I think they set me up for that to, we'll fix you a little ass. I want to compare with a pistol and threaten us, and that's what happened. I escaped. Instead of being in the maximum security, I couldn't run, I went for it, came back with all those charges. It took five days. They had an emergency hearing, and I was so ignorant, I didn't really know exactly what was going on. I went to family caught, right?
The judge said you lose a lot of illegal terminology.
Now, I know the potential for going to prison day
in the back of my head.
And so I don't even know what the hell they said.
I go downstairs with the sheriff, the marshal back then.
So I go to go right to the juvenile.
I say, I don't know.
You're an adult and I'll act like one.
And that's how I know I was going to the kid's in, right?
Everybody asked you how scared, was you?
No, just saying the tough guy thing.
It's an ignorant thing.
I wasn't as scared as you would think.
Is there a fear that year?
Yeah, okay.
but I was overconfid because I'm full of pissing pinnaker.
A guy that's probably 23 would be more afraid than the kid that's 16.
Not because the kid's tougher because he's more ignorant.
Like, I can handle my fucking self.
You tell yourself that.
When you're mature enough to nowhere jump against, you're like, oh, fuck, you know.
And so often you take center I went at 16 years old, 1983.
Prisoners across the country were gladiated schools back then.
Not like now, all these cameras, they come running into the colds and stuff.
back then you're on your own.
And so that's how I ended up a prison to it.
So, I'm in a cell.
First thing they did, I didn't know what they were doing.
They were fucking with me, and I didn't know why, right?
They put me in a cell with a black dude.
They didn't do that back then.
But I didn't know any better.
Just so happens, I know a lot of black dudes from South Side.
He was a good kid.
Other people understand.
What are they doing that kid?
Why is he in that guy's cell?
The God comes in my cell a couple times.
No, first, I'm drinking a hot chocolate.
I'm like a punk cat.
I'm trying to watch the TV through the door.
Now, this is a new modular system
where you see these new buildings
with the little windows. This is when they started
building those types of buildings instead of just
the bars and the maximum security.
So you got these pods.
Anyway, I'm looking at the TV on my fucking
rocking my feet on the cop-bug looking.
The guy gets in front of me on the rail
and on in front. I'm like, oh, back then we called him
Screw or heck. I said, hey, screw.
You're in my way. He looks back
at me like, you motherfucker
turns out. I jumped down. Hey, you know what?
He comes in the cell. If there's got anything extra in the end,
you flogging sheets in here. Like, now,
what are you looking for that for? He leaves.
I guess what's going on? It comes back.
You said, you got nothing X in here or there?
I'm like, what the hell? The black dude said,
you must have, now keep in mind. There been a bunch
of robberies all over the place.
Right? So, I said
to him, he got a excuse me, I'll also dray.
So, when the door
popped, I said, I said, I'm going to talk to this back.
I said
Excuse me
One of my crimes involved
With something you with your family son
Come on the hallway
As soon as he said this
I wasn't worried
He goes first of all
I got nine years of karate under my belt
I'll never forget that
Who he said then I said alright
I ain't worried about this fucking guy
He's fucking foyer
You're gonna tell me that
Instead of just fucking cracking me
I'm all right
But I couldn't believe it
You're not gonna believe this
That was my father you shot
how do you like that
I shot his father
and the robbery
that was his dad
the son worked at the internet
I couldn't believe it
right
well you got really lucky there huh
no so I said
I did not
yes I'm winning this guy
his cell block
he had a different name
first of all
so when he came in
the seals at the front
would he get
no you call that
when you come in the front
there
when you first come in
sallyport
not the sallyport
not yeah not the sallyport
we come in when you get
the committing room right
and they're asking me
you know dyes
you know dyes are saying
the guy's name
no I thought they were
on the name
I know. I was a kid. I'm looking around. I'm in prison now, right? So the guy, they busted
my balls a little bit. I got a couple of beeps. They put the handcuffs up. I was a little kid.
Nobody really wanted to beat up a little kid. I'm 118 pounds. I'm about 5.3. It was around
Christmas time. I tried to escape on time. There was a mob guy in my vent. It was Christmas time.
They're busting our balls playing Christmas music over the speaker. I tried to break. I was so small. I could
fit through that narrow window. It's all different now. They put bars up and everything because
in fences. Back there was no fences. They just figured no man could fit up, but they didn't
anticipate a little skinny kid, right? Almost got out of there. But anyway, I had a little bit
of ball busting, but not what you would think for shooting SEAL's father, right? And on some time
when I was there for nine months. I ended up catching like 65 years all concurrent with 10,
10 to serve, 10 suspended for all these different robberies. That was a lot of time considered in
those days. Catch 10 years at 16. Everybody was like, oh, my God.
God, of course, they just throw that out, you know, like it's nothing.
But on the day I left, I'll never forget.
I was leaving the maximum security.
And everybody's looking at it, like, don't worry, kid, your punishment is going to max for security.
Anyway, now, I also had a brother in prison at the time, a little older than me.
He was in the high security for stabbing somebody in Max already.
So I went to the God.
I said, listen, I appreciate how you maintain.
Whatever I said to him, you know, all considering everything that happened.
I did say that to the guy, and he shook my hand.
because he looked at it like
it's just a punk kid lost in the streets
whatever, you know? I think that's how
I can't speak for him, but I think he's summed it up like that
and I acknowledged that I was a punk kid in the street
because prison has a way of
maturing you real quick. You learn
real fast in prison how to behave and conduct
yourself, right? Or else
and so
I can remember being in a segregation at the
intake center, right? I'm 16
I got no fight, I'm in the hole.
Now when you're in the hole there at that time
you can see maximum security and a little
bit of high security. I can see my brother in the yard off the distance because they've got this
big compound, it's different here. But occasionally, there'd be something erupted and maximum
security, right? And I'm in my cell one day, just fucking smoke, state police on the wall with guns,
right? And guys that that know what's going on, probably on their radio, because I don't know
none of this stuff. There's a riot, guy can stand. They got the whatever they were yelling, right?
I'm like a kid. I'm like, that's where you're going, kid. Jesus Christ. I got a man. I got a
magazine, I'd roll it up a fucking, I don't know what I'm doing.
I'm like, Jesus, Trump, and I'm fixing it like I got a knife, you know what I'm saying?
I'm just trying to get ready.
I'm psyching myself to get ready because it does have prisoners of old maximum security
that those cold, unforgiving or whatever I like to say, right?
And I know I'm heading there.
And so I'd practice like that.
And so anyway, I finally go, all your hair was good lie.
I walked for the gate.
I was 17, though.
I remember the guard, he lets him in.
He got one last gate to go to, like, this shock cage before you go in.
He's like, how old are you?
I'm like, 17.
He says, good luck in there, kid.
Slams the door, right?
And back then, we had street clothes, right?
And a lot of guys had street clothes.
So I worked in with my street clothes.
The joint was nuts, right?
Very few gods.
There was those little skeleton crew.
I walk in, guys,
and the first thing I see he's all the black dude in the corner.
He's like a nut, and he's like, eh.
I said, really?
I go near the first cell, it's like a closet.
You had those metal mop ringers back then.
But he's like a nut, right?
He's looking at me.
I'm like, no god.
And then he's, and he's looking at me.
have what they call a crossover, which all the cells open, guys can come in and run
all around, run rampant to every cell block. Back then it was like that. And so some guys
come to draw new. But anyway, you know, they told me this is not, don't worry about it.
I'll never forget I'm walking through the cell block. They were my cell block. These group of
guys, you know, white guys, you're probably Providence guys, and they're looking. And they got
street clothes out of me. I said, hey, kid, what are you doing here? You from the visit?
They thought I was in a visit. It was my visit and somehow going to the prison.
I said, no, I'm in here. You're in here. Jesus Christ, look at this kid.
That sounds like this little, everybody's looking at me, right?
And, you know, so these guys, well, back then we didn't have gangs in there.
We got them now, but we had where we had crews, and our neighborhoods would sit together.
You had a chair. No one would touch your chair.
Other guys didn't have any of the day. You have to stand up and eat.
I kid you're not, oh, wait until you were done. It was weird.
But we all, you sit with this table from there.
I sat with the West End guys, which included Federal Hill, all the mob guys.
West End was a tough little part of town.
So I had some of the best guys I'm around.
But, so they're going to look out for me.
But you've got to be able to stand up for yourself or nobody's going to help you, right?
And of course, I've told the story before.
My first interaction in there with a guy, I worked in a print shop, all right?
I had a few fights in between, but now I'm in maximum security.
You're going to step your game up, right?
I'm a hale this little boy.
Let's face it.
Right?
So, you know, there's predators looking in the wings.
You know, they see if you're going to need.
back and stuff like that.
But also it's small, so I knew a lot of the old times, black and white.
I grew up in the West Side with his black and whites, right?
And I knew a lot of old times.
There was a very few Spanish back then.
It was like five Spanish guys in the old prison back then, right?
And about this big scot-up guy, the typical, you could put him in the background
scene of a prison movie, right?
Get that look.
And had like a little break room.
I go in here, I make a coffee.
I open the door, there's a milk.
I grab it.
Put it in the coffee, right?
Hey, using my fucking milk.
I didn't tell you can use my fucking milk.
So what the fuck you're talking about, Joey?
Smushes me in the fucking face, right?
I got no weapon on me.
I love my lesson.
Big guy, I can't take it with my hands.
All right.
Okay, Joe.
Sorry.
When you do that to me, like, that's it.
Got to get you, right?
I have to get you now.
One way or another.
She's sort of next morning.
He lives in the cell next to me, too.
Now, keep in mind.
Some of the gods we knew, someone will.
corrupt. We knew this corrupt guy. He was good to us, right? You can see me in the mirror. I sneak
out of my soul in life. I go and Joe's cell, right? This is my first hit in the joint. I don't really
know what I'm doing. He's like, oh, Dean, bing. The fuck on that song. You're doing that in my blog.
Come on, man. This is me and the fuck from God talking, all right? To see you. It's a screw back then.
So, right, Johnny, what the fuck? It's fucking weird this place at the time. Go back on my cell.
we go to work
and these guys were playing
card. I knew they were going to play cards.
They do every day up there in the print shop.
And the guy that hit me,
he does these metal plates where you
take a picture of them and you put it on a machine,
then you use it in the printer, the print stuff, like an old print
machines, right? I forget exactly what you call it,
but he makes these plates. I'm on this
side of him where my machine is. The card
games on the other side of them. So I told
these guys, do me a favor. In 10 minutes,
call me over to take your hand
because you're going to use the bathroom. I had this pipe
strapped to the side of me hanging down i took the handle off an old hyalberg press the funny thing is
i told the story and i watched this movie a day called seven with um well smith right in the movie
he gives the girl his print machine we used to call his print machine the beast it was like from the
eighteenth it was a letter grab straight we used to call it that's the beast in the movie's going
he gives a machine goes that's the beast and and he saw him put the handle on the very handline that
I use. It was the weirdest thing years later to see this in a movie, right? I took them off,
hung it on my side. Thing, well, take my hand. So I wanted this guy to, because the kid just
walked behind anybody in prison, right? Right. Somehow I got it off. And I fucking from downtown.
Now, all things considered, not a lot of damage is considered in the maximum security.
But I'm a little kid. I bust his head open. He starts screaming, blood in his eye. He can't
really do anything because of blood. I'm whack him in the face a couple times, dancing around.
I had to hide the pipe under the sink. Back then, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he's
say X-ray or something, a few guards come.
And he's like, no, this big goon squad.
Well, there was a goon squad, but it took a lot to get him up there.
They come up in there.
And he's screaming how, like dry snitches, what we call it.
And I only got a little, nothing.
He goes, Dean, look at you.
Fucking blood all.
Now, I tell you this is the best part of the story is not me hitting the guy in the head.
I'm not trying to brag about that.
I'll tell you out what it is to be a little kid to step up.
Now, what I did to him wasn't shit.
I mean, you guys are getting fucking lit on fire,
stabbed in the neck you know that that was nothing but people say how the kid got it in him he's a good
kid right that type of thing so we go out they leading down the stairs of the print of the
industrial building when i get to the yard you got to run you got around the fucking cons was
old cons from like the 40s and 50 someone wore those fucking hats with the conductor's hats from the
train that's right kid you got that it was the moment i know how to explain it because it was the
old time cons like everybody was like watching me
without watching. I don't know. All the opiators are a kid in there. Keep an eye on that
poor care. Let me show nobody bought that type of thing, right? And so I'm walking through
the yelling a little celebrity and everybody's a kid all the way to the car. Even the cops. The
screws were like, yeah, he got what he deserved that. I only got 15 days in a hole. And I'm
in the sick next to the guy, right? The fucking place was nuts back then. There was an old
mom guy named Rudy, which everybody around here knows. He's passed away now. But this is my
introduction he had my best is uh my introduction to him he comes from the yard the kind of power the
mob guys had the control of the prison back then right meant i failed to say we didn't have gangs but
the mob had all the control i'd be booing when i tell you they ran in the fucking prison for a less
and he comes down to the hole and he brought a black dude as a representative you know to show
respect to them and uh they go to that guy's cell you don't bother that fucking kid if you do you
are all the i found out of lincoln i say kid you did the right fucking thing
Don't worry about it. There'll be no repercussions.
Thank you, Mr. Scuilar.
I was fucking so happy to meet this guy, right?
And that was it.
That was my introduction to this man.
And I started to rub shoulders with those guys.
I went from bad to worst.
While I was on and run at 16 before I shot,
which is how I ended up shooting that man in the robbery.
I had stole $1,000 in a diamond ring, right?
I was 16, just committed.
I was not opportunists.
I commit crime.
If I'm driving by your fucking house in a snowstorm
And I see you backing out of your driveway
And you got a fence
You got a gate
He's gonna have to shut the gate
I jump out of my car
Wait for you to go shut your gate
Jump in your car and screw
If it's a woman I take a pile
It was a little asshole
But anyway
So I got a thousand dollars
And a big dime a ring like that
And so
What the hell brought me to Chris
So I'm down in my own neighbor
The cops are looking for me
I got this money on me
But it was summertime I had a coat
This kid I know is my kids
Come up the street
I tell this girl
This is a family I know
They're friends of mine
I just can you take my coat
I can't
It's too hard out
I'm on the run
I have to leave my clothes
And I got clothes on everybody's house
You know how it goes right
So
I left the money in my coat
She brings the coat back
To me pulling money out
This kid sees it
I didn't
I wasn't thinking
Plus I thought everybody feared me
I was a little
You know
A little full of myself right
I got the diamond on me
A thousand dollars
The kid knows
Everyone knows I got a stolen car somewhere.
I always have one or a few blocks away, right?
Dean, give me a ride, blah, blah, blah.
Okay, well, I walk with him.
We go up to Clancy Street.
There's two other black dudes.
I'm older dudes.
These guys are like 18, 19.
I'm 16.
I see a detective's car coming.
When you were hood them in the street, you can see a cop 10 miles away.
Oh, that's a cop.
Let me dip in a sidewalk.
I'm driving by.
I go in his backyard.
The cop goes, detectors go.
It's probably looking for me.
I'm wanted now.
But this is before the shooting.
So.
This kid told the other two kids about the money, right?
I come out.
I should have been paying attention.
No, I think about it, but they're like, ding, we need a ride too.
And it's not uncommon.
Guys, I got a stone car.
These guys want to go to different parts of the town.
Ding, it was a ride.
Okay.
So we started walking.
And next thing you know, I'm getting fucking mugged in my own neighbor.
They cut me for my thousand dollars.
They didn't get that ring.
And they know it's on now.
What happened to honor among faves?
No, these kids weren't my friends.
And I should have known.
I just didn't know why.
They weren't my friends, right?
They ain't got no fucking money.
These guys can't get no money.
They're fucking petty hustles on the street.
A thousand dollars in 1983.
All three and them could go shopping with that.
You know what I'm saying?
They were jealous of me, first of all.
They didn't have the balls to do what I was doing.
You know, all total, I had like five grand of me.
If you count the ring, the ring was a massive ring, right?
I don't really know.
If it was about three grand or three grand, if I remember.
So I only four grander.
They didn't get the ring.
They jumped me on.
Right away, I had an old Mustang at the time.
I used to steal new cars, but this time.
Some of the other had a little Mustang.
And I ran to it and I fucking ram down.
I tried to run them over.
They jumped up on a porch.
I were crashing to a porch.
I'll be back you,
motherfuckers.
And you know what I'm coming back.
They talk shit on the way to.
Go get your gun.
We don't get my fuck.
I don't know why I didn't even have a gun on me at the time, actually.
Because I had all my money.
I was settled in.
The cops are looking for me.
So I would dip into a neighborhood leave,
dip into a neighborhood leave, go see friends.
I was always on the move.
They caught me on the move like that.
I, excuse me.
They robbed me.
So I go to my friend on the project.
First, I get a rifle, like a 22 rifle of scope.
I'm going to get on this building in the neighborhood because I know where these kids are going to be.
I'm going to fucking sniping from this roof.
This story's ridiculous.
I come back.
So I got powder.
I got my neck.
I got the rifle stick.
A fucking sweatpants in the back seat.
I go into the store.
I got to get my cigarettes.
Powder.
Cigarettes and weight.
Boom, right?
Fucking.
So I come on in the fucking store.
I don't know where I stole this car.
There's three.
Asian guys around the car.
This is when Asians first started coming to that community.
I mean, my stories are ridiculous, I know.
I saw this anger in their face.
Currently, I stole one of the cars or a relative's car.
Like, what are you doing with this car that's saying?
I'm like, wait a minute.
I think I know.
I'm talking right.
I grabbed the fucking wife.
Get their fuck out of it.
It was like a scene in Vietnam.
They're all running through the field.
Why I ain't getting the fucking car, I don't know, but I'm in my neighborhood now.
I think I'm in my old neighborhood.
Keep in mind, the last time I remember, I knew.
the people. I can run through their yacht. Hey, Dean.
Cops are chasing me. Oh, you know, fuck, right?
That's all it was. I didn't realize
I'd been away for a year. Everything had changed.
I got this fucking rifle.
I'm running through the neighborhood yards.
These people are, oh my God.
This black guy can do, shut the fuck up.
And I'm threatening people. I'm running through me. Cops are fucking
everywhere. So I retarded in the neighbor with a gun.
Right? I ran like by four
people with a gun, the barrel sticking on, thinking the
sweatpants ain't hiding it. Now I'm going to
screw. I hide the rifle.
I end up finding it. I hit under a porch.
Cops everywhere, my friend, two kids I know come by in a fucking dirt bike, I jump on there, I stroll.
Go back the next day. I'm getting these guys. I got to get them.
So, oh yeah, there's a reason I'm telling you this story.
So I take the ring, I drive up to, you know, several miles away to another town where I know a guy.
That's actually where I live now in Johnston.
A couple streets away, mind you.
I go to my friend's house. Now I'm on the move quickly. I want some powder,
I want some money, and I need a gun. I got a diamond.
Basically, give me that stuff, hold the diamond, we'll sell the score later.
Now, I know he's only giving me like $1,000 with this shit.
Later on, Wilson Row resolve it.
All right, do you know problem.
I go back, down to the neighborhood.
Now I got a brand new Monte Carl.
I always had a brand new stolen car.
I don't know what the fuck I think I was, but that's what I did.
I come around, they're all on the fence like a little bird.
Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, shoot the whole fucking place up.
I can't fucking hit knock the side of a fucking barn.
That night, I'm hiding in the woods.
My point is I went fucking berserk in this neighborhood.
My old neighbor, it's like not my neighborhood anymore.
You know when you're a kid, you think it's your neighborhood.
Not anymore, kid.
Now it's their neighborhood.
You mother, I'm chasing one down the street.
It goes into, I go into this bar, it's all black, right?
I thought he ran in there.
I'm like this.
Everyone's looking at me, but no one dares.
But I ain't gonna go in the back and get trapped.
So I hold my breath to see if I can hear him breathing.
So nothing.
I leave, but I'm causing such a disturbance.
The cops keep coming.
This bastard, we're gonna get him.
it. We're going to get them. A couple of
our incidents. I chased one kid through the laundromat.
I could have shot him to the window, but the old lady
who I knew my whole life, right?
She happened to be standing there. She's looking
at me like, Dean, please don't do that.
I could have shot the kid through the car. He was doing
this whole ring around the roads. You, motherfucker.
You're all dead. I'm threatening him.
I could have shot him to the window of the car.
Then she's looking at me. All these little things were
almost like God was trying to intervene or something, right? I don't know.
And I didn't want to do that to her. My sister,
we all knew this woman. My sister here to show me,
oh, I know what she's talking about. And she's just a
nice ladies like,
Dean, please don't do that.
This fuck is your motherfucker.
I'll catch you.
So there's a lot of that going on.
It's weird when it's your neighbor
there's people you know
and stuff like that, you know.
A couple of the incidents happened
that fucking allude me now,
but I just kept going back down there
popping up from different areas
chasing one guy,
shooting at this guy,
just three of my couldn't get the...
One of them had a shotgun waiting for me.
He ended up getting caught.
He ended up getting caught.
The shotgun and going to the feds.
So what a mess this became.
Okay, on I go.
this story. So eventually they trapped me in this area in it. Oh, it's on Silver Lake
and Alford Project. Well, you guys don't know what that is, but it's still on the west side.
I get, I get pinched. Five days later, I'm in prison. So when I'm in prison, I'm 16. I don't really
have nobody. Nobody's, you know. My sister's not around. It's probably my only visit at the time.
So I really had nothing. Nobody. But I had my, I called the train of school. They had like
$250 of mine. I said, listen, you guys, come don't stop that cigarette.
I got nobody in here.
The council was pretty cool because, oh, man, they felt bad.
They sent me my $250, right?
I called the kid with the diamond.
I know I got at least a grandcom, and you're going to buy stuff.
I'm a kid in a can lost in this world.
I call this fucking guy, Billy.
He's like, you know what the fuck you're talking about?
I said, you send me mine with my cut.
What's he doing?
Because my sister, $50 this motherfucker fucking gave him.
After all I benched, you're going to rob me.
None one among thieves, like you said earlier.
All right, so I forgot about it.
Three years later, he came to the can.
Now, when I was a kid, I looked up to this guy.
I thought he was like a tough guy.
He sold drugs.
But I'm now hot and con.
This kid's like a little fucking broad to me.
Now, excuse the way.
So I already stabbed the guy and went to high security.
I'm a fucking psycho.
And, you know, Max, something comes over in your women in these presents, right?
When they're in the middle of it.
I'm 19, though.
He comes in.
You know what I'm mad at him.
You know, he knows like a little kid to me.
It's weird.
Send me some money
and send me a few dollars
I could not let it go
Here it is three years later
He kept asking me for vans
I got some vials for you
I'll see you at lunch
He had to come out a certain way
Now you don't want to get seeing
Back and then you could stab a guy
And get away with it
All right so I'm trying to get away with it
I'm going to get this guy
And I had a piece of toilet paper
With nothing in it
That's all
Here don't open it yet
He goes
How many's in there five or six
I'm going
I'm looking around
It was a perfect time
And so as he's like, right in the fucking neck, I got the guy, right?
We used to make these weapons.
It's weird.
Those razors that are like utility razors, guys, you know,
you always had these crafty guys.
They'd make a weapon on.
They'd take two pieces of wood.
They would run a screw, through.
I don't know how the guy did it.
And the razor would come out of the wood sideways.
You could stab a guy and cut him with him.
I ended up ripping him here and ripping through his jaw, right?
And I did some damage tone, right?
I didn't really know if I was done.
Just hit him in the neck and I ripped it up, right?
and then
nothing happened
that for us
like a rabid
he jumped up
on this little wall
and all of a sudden
it opened
like a fucking
he took off
I'll never forget
I don't know
why I say this
and ain't funny
but
I've ever seen
the end of Fred
Friendstone
he's trying
to get in the
fucking house
and both feet
and both hands
are hitting
the fucking
go out
and Fred
they remind you
in that
I don't know
why that case
but
he's like
what
what's the fuck
right
I hate to laugh
at it
I don't think
it's a funny
matter
but I put him
with everything
so anyway
They charged me
They told me that night
I got a murder charge
They said you said you severed his artery
I didn't know what an audit
They told me he died right
I'm like what the fuck
Now believe this and not
I'm such a fucked up kid at the time
Yeah I'm a little worried about the murder
But I'm a kid with a body in the can
motherfuckers
It's a weird thing man
Becoming that guy
Right it's fucking
I'm so far removed from that now
I can't believe it
I didn't give a fuck
Because I was so fucked up
And so lost
I had no body
buddy. I was robbing guys in the can to survive. I just didn't give a fuck, right?
There was some concern. But anyway, they were trying to get me to rat. We know you're
doing it alone. Oh, fuck you, fuck you. I go to high security. I'm in a fucking cell.
They got a regular cell block. Then they got one behind the hospital where they really
isolated. You can't see nobody at nothing. There's no window or nothing. It's against
the law. They actually had to put a fucking skylight in. That's like the back room they call it.
There's like four cells. They just want to isolate you from everybody. You might as well be in
fucking Russia. You know, what's going on in the world, right?
All I knows I got a fucking body.
I'm thinking of walking back and forth.
Me and my thoughts.
The kid that we shut the light off.
They keep the light on 24-7.
Fuck your eyes up.
It was a fucking mess, right?
That night they came to read me what they call a booking or a ticket in some prisons they call it.
Frank guy was alive.
Fucking assholes.
Somebody die.
Right?
I thought I had a fucking body, right?
I was half worried.
Where I think now that I wasn't even that concerned?
Like, I don't know.
I was embraced.
I know people like that.
I know guys that killed guys in prison.
They didn't care.
They cared more about.
how it came out, the respect part of it. So fucking stupid, ain't it? But that was my first
real problem in prison. And all on revenge, I couldn't let things go. And it was so nuts
back then when I went to parole a couple years later. So we see you have a stabbing on her. What happened?
I swear to God, I said, listen, I was 16, you put me in the dental lions. I said, nope,
Fair enough.
You can't do that now, but prisons were so out of control back then.
It was almost understandable how kids got.
Who doesn't understand that?
I mean, you're going to survive by violence?
I mean, it was other times.
I had all the issues.
I had to make moves.
I didn't want to go ramble on about every little incident.
But, of course, I had a lot of incidents of fucking 16.
And eventually, I wasn't with my brother, really, the whole time on that bit.
I did five years before I was 21.
And in that time, I got tight with some OC guys, you know,
and wise guys. And so when I got out, that's the element I was around. It was a crew of us
kids who were loyal to that one guy, as I told you about earlier. Now, we were just street
kids, and he's a maid guy. He had like a private army of kids. That's how he was smart like that.
And then he had his own people. But he utilized us when he had to. And I impressed him. He always
took care of me, free lawyers. You know, of course you're a kid. You think you're a big shot.
You go to restaurants. Go rid of weird. I got my girl with me.
fucking all psyched up off that false bullshit, right?
But at the time, it was working.
And so I try to think if that's,
well, I ended up going back to prison.
I ended up shooting the guy in front of my sister's house.
He's related to my sister's boyfriend,
who had kids with my sister.
I think he was smoking crack in the house or something.
You got to get the fuck out of here.
Fuck, yo.
I beat him up for us.
Shot him in the stomach.
He didn't rat on me.
I thought he was dead, right?
He screamed and hollering the street blood.
murder, I just fucking guy's dead.
I was stupid, you know, I was just temper, right?
I was a trick-a-happy retard, I like to say.
I hate to use that word, but that's how I was when I got out of the can.
All that violence and anger and just transfer that right to the street.
I'm trying to impress the mob guys, and I was doing a good job at that for my behavior.
Anyway, the kid, he said, he's five, no problem.
I said, don't ever come around here again.
A month later, I show up with my friend, there he is.
This fucking kid, don't listen.
Go, boom, boom, he gets somebody shoots him.
Again, he got shot, someone shot out on 15th, somehow through the door,
he only got hit in the leg, right?
This time, oh, he still didn't say that.
It was the weirdest thing.
It wasn't really bothering me over that, right?
He's just some Spanish, that's how I looked at it, just some Spanish kid,
they don't care, cops are real racist back there.
I didn't give a fuck about that kid.
So one day, months later, now to investigate me for another shooting,
shooting out of witness or something, I forget what it was.
Now the heat's on because they're regular people
I was out of control
That's all I can say
My friend was in the can
Had a problem with witnesses
Somebody intimidated
The witnesses were gunfire
Blah blah blah blah
But now the cops are armed
What do they do?
They go
They can't do nothing about that
So now they want to grab me
For the other shooting
Of the Spanish kid
Months earlier
So I give them a car accident
One day
On my street
I didn't do it
The lady was wrong
And every kids come out
They're trying to
They jump me
I go through all this bullshit
The cops show up
Blah blah
I, everything, cops leave, everything.
I love my half, I'm late.
Oh, so a little while later, my sister's like,
she wants to go get her a son.
The father's, I'm going somewhere with this.
The father were kids in the project somewhere.
She don't want a kid in there.
All right, let's go get him.
Keep in mind, he's the kid I was a child of shooting.
There's the brother of this guy.
I go to his house.
They're all over there talking Spanish.
I got a pistol on me as to keep it up.
I'll finish the job right now, right?
You know, I'm nice and calm with that fucking shit.
I'm better off when I'm shooting somebody.
I got more anxiety in a line.
If I'm walking in lines, that's how I was then.
So anyway, basically it was a threat there.
They called the cops.
By the time I get home, right,
the detectors realize, I guess, they can utilize.
They can get this shooting to take me off the street
while they investigate in the other shooting
if you get what I'm saying, if you follow me.
I mean, you're tired of stuck.
I know.
So anyway, go home.
So they surround the house, right?
And they say,
Dean, we want to talk to you.
Because remember, I had an accident a little while earlier.
You said, you know, license.
We're going to check your license about the shooting in.
I got the piss bomb.
I got to hide and everything.
My license.
Oh, maybe it's nothing.
But I should have known because they were all around the house.
They come and don't move, right?
Like, what the fuck?
As they trick me saying they want something to do my license.
But when I went to that kid's house and triggered that,
somebody called the cops.
They must have decided, okay, grab my net,
while I would investigate the other thing.
Long story short, I'm charged with shooting this guy,
go back to prison.
I'm doing a 10-year sentence.
I knew I had five in.
I got two and a half more to go to flatten
because there they got good time.
How old were you?
Excuse me?
At that time?
How old were you at that time?
I was 22.
I got out when I was 21.
He went back when I was 22.
I might have still been 22.
I'm trying to remember.
I mean, I was still been 21.
I was 22.
I only out six months when this happened.
I got out when I was 21, six months later, this has happened.
Yeah, I was 22.
I go back to prison, right?
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That was one of my notorious for selling the age, guys were dying, all kind of shit.
I got back, I got ready into the game.
But eventually, I beat the shooting, all right?
I got another story for you.
So I'm going to go back in front of the Pro Board to get out again because I beat the shooting.
In the meantime, I sold some drugs to this kid, right?
And usually you don't even sell to a different race.
You stick with your own, blah, blah, blah.
The black kills a friend of mine.
So he ends up selling it giving it to this kid.
five percentage, if you ever heard of them.
So, we had a five percent of problem there at the time.
There was a crew of guys, which I ended up respecting and liking something.
I got along with them, you know, because you do hard time with my high security.
You really know a man, you know.
But before all of that, there was a crew that came down from New York.
They took over a place called Hartford Projects, right?
Through all the drug.
They had machine guns.
These guys were serious, right?
And they took over the local drug trade.
They took a pinch.
They're in the can.
Not only want to take over the fucking drug trade in the can.
That's my racket.
Like, the fuck, right?
They were this little kid.
Who's this fucking kid?
We were all small, my crew, a bunch of little guys.
I first looked at least, like, these fucking guys.
Yeah, I want to say as an action, we look a lot different with a fucking knife in our hand.
We were a fucking animals.
We could attack it like a bunch of fucking piranhas, right?
Me, my brother, a couple, a few other guys.
We had a crew, and then we had extended guys that would back us up.
So we were very strong.
They didn't know that, though.
So you got these hard and black dudes.
They're black nationals.
They're 5%.
As if you don't know on your bottom,
that's basically what the other, black nationalists,
they have certain beliefs.
They were eating with the Muslims, whatever, during Ramadan.
But anyway, so now I come on, let me fuck,
and so I go to breakfast, the guy's like,
I didn't want no interaction with these guys.
But there was this ongoing, it was escalating,
knew something was going to happen
because they're fucking what our custom is.
So you could just tell,
I can't remember exactly,
you know, there's going to be a fucking problem
with these guys eventually.
They're trying to bully the fucking prison
because they got a crew
and they think we're fucking soft
so I come out
this fucking guy's like
I want my fucking money back
for the fucking where fucking shit
don't fuck
I fuck that's just respect
everyone's looking
I said
I see outside
I came out
the crew standing there
got the whole posh
back then we had military
coaching the national guard left
so it's prison in the old days
and I let loose
I'm so fucking mad
to me I'm by myself too
and I don't even know this is
going on and I
ran a racial slur which I'll say
I don't mean to offend anybody now
but if we're going to be truth for you how
I said it you know what I'm
sick of you fuck yeah you want
a fucking problem let's fucking do it right now
excuse my language it's not my belief
system now
but you had to talk like that
once you said that that's in it's all on
and these guys are all about
their whole belief system
like belief system probably revolves around that
type of shit how are you going to respond to
whatever I got so mad
There were so many incidents that's happened.
And now this guy says,
This is my fucking mind.
Oh, yeah, you motherfucker.
Maybe on the blind side.
So we had a blind side.
That means the towers couldn't see.
We had a bunch of them.
Because we had a tower.
It was like 200 feet high.
Like a fucking forest one.
We had little ones on the wall.
There's one way up.
You could look down.
But we had a blind side where they couldn't see.
So when you were called today,
it was like being called out.
I had a knife.
I was a little guy.
This kid was a big kid.
But I just didn't care.
I always try to tell me it.
It's not a tough guy thing.
I don't think I'm a tough guy.
I think psychologically
I'd arrive down a place
why don't care about dying
It's like dealing with a fucking terrorist
What do you don't do to this guy?
You don't give him a fuck
I swear to God that's where I was
I never looked at it like I was a tough guy
I'm a bader
Real dangerous guys don't act like that
They don't feel that way
They just can go
You switch or flip a switch in them
And now they're in this place
And now you're going to deal with that fucking guy
I look a lot different with a knife man
I always tell us most of the time I meet guys
They always
But things can be a lot bigger
Anyway go on with the fucking story
he doesn't go to the blind side
now his whole crew's offended
he in his mind
when I had the balls to say that in front of him
I must be something wrong at me
and they're mine right just kids gonna be
and I had a reputation for making moves
so I put him out there
and I'll just kidding you know I'm built like that right
anyway
I go for parole the next day
parole granted
I went while I'm waiting in my cell
just get the card
and I went to sleep on the job man
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had it was Ramadan that means the Muslims come out early and they eat for us
sundown whatever fucking let the sleep on the wheel they let this these guys come
with the Muslims in Ramadan. They're out of this cell. I nodded off.
I did that. I would have been up at my own regular child time, but I wasn't prepared for that.
I forgot. I went to sleep on that. And when they came, we had a rookie, everything with the stars
were lined up just right for this kid. The rookie was working on a block. So usually if you want
to tear, the guys at the end with controls, he can look. And you say, your son, number 19, 21,
and he hits him, right? He didn't yell. There's no guy next to me. He's the whole
all my drugs and stuff. I get him that pain. The whole everything. And the next day,
I get all my stuff back. They always raided myself. The old guy said, yeah, they were
out there wishing. They didn't know who was going to do it. If the kid puts her on a
fucking mask. Instead of yelling my cell number, which was 10, he went like this. He held up 10.
You understand? And so the rookie just looks and hits the door. Just kids on me with the
fucking ice pick. Boom, boom, boom. I'm blocking a couple. I could hit the neck. Five times
I could hit a couple of here, blocking it in the neck. And two over here. One, two, three.
four, five, what the fuck, yeah.
And, um, no, this story's ridiculous.
But anyway, so I get my foot between us, I push him, he screws.
They said, you fucking coward, you got the night, blah, blah, blah.
I was talking shit to the end, right?
I didn't feel hurt, right?
Right, so, I was like, fuck this.
I'm going to get him.
My friend shows up.
But I bent over to change my clothes, right?
Tells what I blood.
A punch of blood.
I'm like, oh, what fuck is that, right?
And, uh, so, uh, I'm in my end, my friend shows, no, no, no, fuck that, you're dying, man, you're fucking dying, all right? All right, let's go.
So, I go to the hospital in my underwear. The drink was so nuts, I want to towel on my fucking neck, bleeding all over the place, in my underwear walking by, nor not have fucking screw seen it, right? It's weird.
Ring the bell, the doctor's at the gate and nurse. You want to let me in, he's all nervous. Open the fucking gate guy. You're fucking dying over here. I go in there. So I kept throwing up blood, right?
Nah. So I'm on the ambulance in the dawned on me.
I used to have this big gold necklace in the chain.
Then I realized, I'm in the shackle, but I'm like, where's my fucking necklace?
I'm thinking this guy rob and he's in the, and no worst thing of the joint to being robbed.
That's like an insult to injury.
Where's my chain?
I got the mask.
My chain.
What's your doing?
What are you doing?
So I'm going on and out and all about the fuck.
I go to the hospital.
First of all, State, please show up.
Back then, like a little tape recorder, fucking some, a little fucking soft.
I fear it.
Oh, Dean, you're looking really bad.
Blot everywhere.
You're looking really bad.
You know, just got to get away of killing you?
Yeah, we'll die your fucking rat, blah, blah, blah.
You know, the young man, tough guy, act.
You know, it's not an act, because I was serious about it.
But, you know, I'm playing my role perfectly.
Fuck you, I ain't dying a rat.
By the way, where's my fucking chain?
Chuck Dehler's, I'm so mad about my chain, right?
Going on and on.
His doctor shows up.
And he hears me real and goes, hold on.
Dr. Haas.
I'll never forget this guy's name.
I can't come in hospital.
He's like, what's the problem?
I said, I need my.
He fucking chains.
And I get robbed from my...
Goes, Jesus Christ.
He reaches around my neck.
And he falls in around.
It was hanging on the back of my neck.
Because what is wrong with you, kid?
You're dying over here, maybe, right?
I said, all right, all right.
All right.
And, you know, you can't get robbed in a joint like this.
That's like a bad thing.
I'd rather get stabbed for something else
than you're stealing from me.
And me not doing it about it.
And so,
next thing happens, he wants to do a cat,
because I'm going to have to do exploratory surgery.
his blood. I know catta, no cancer, no fucking way. I'm scared of that thing. And it's like,
wait a minute, because I'm going to try something else, but I might have to do it. Something was
on his mind. I couldn't figure out my complaint later. He put some liquid to me. First he made
throw up the stuff was in my stomach. He put a bunch of liquid in me. And then he can look at
the x-rays. If anything vital organs are punctured, it glows on the screen. All right? And nothing
and it was glowing, but I kept throwing up. I felt all right, right?
And he goes, waiting, man. Do you get punched in the nose or something?
And when I blocked a couple of stabins, what happened was, I was drinking my own blood
from the punched nose and it was looking like it was coming from an organ.
He could tell by the color of the blood, whether it was too light or too dark,
that it wasn't coming from the organ, which let him do that.
Because you're all right, I just hit the guy, just missed me. I got lucky.
So after all that, it was all in the news, sound like I was butch and I woke up.
I got a fucking band-aids out.
But I didn't get hit, you know?
I just got lucky.
And that was that.
Five years later on a different bit,
I caught that kid on a van and punched his fucking lights out,
but he got me.
That was my story of the fight,
but so I ended up,
oh, the biggest thing in this story is.
All right, so they tell me,
you made parole anyway, Dean,
you're going home Monday.
All right, at least that's happened, right?
Because I beat the charge.
Monday comes and put shackles on me
and bring me to high security.
We went back to the board.
They took my fucking parole.
from being stabbed. I could not believe. You want to talk about a time in my life when something
fucking changed for the worst? It was when they did that. So you took my parole. They said,
listen, it took me back to the border. We know it was over drugs. You would have got him first
if he didn't get you, blah, blah, blah. You're going to flatten your bid. So I did another
two and a half with a lot of anger, right? I couldn't believe that. They really took my parole.
And I got out two and a half years later. By that time, you know, I graduated to Rob,
banks. I hooked up with a friend.
30 days later, I was back for it. I'm bank robbing.
Fucking shame.
A lot of people ask me about these banks.
Why didn't you in the Fed?
Well, I don't go to the Fed's because, first of all,
the circumstances of it is very weak.
The Fed's won't try unless they have you.
And in this state, but the problem here
is we have 32F, if you ever heard.
The only state that does is where they violate your probation
very fast if they did. You've got anything to do it.
I had 20 years suspended.
So what they do is they come at you. I'm going to hit you with your probation.
and then they're going to go to the feds.
Or do you take a deal, wrap it all up, and stay in the state.
And the feds are happy if you're catching off time.
If they had me, it would just took me right away and grabbed me.
So that happened to me a couple times.
I wanted to explain that because people keep asking why I wasn't in the Fed.
I'm not in the Fed's because there's other crimes that happen in the state
where it's enough for the state to wrap me up.
Because I'd rather do Fed time, or the reason why I'd rather not because there's no parole or nothing.
The state, all right, I was just doing 30 years.
I got out in 18.
thing what happened if I was doing 30 years in the feds, right?
So you're doing almost 30 years, and you'd cost for your good time.
Exactly.
So what did happen?
Sorry, what did happen with the bank robberies?
How did you end up robbing those?
All right.
Okay.
I had a friend of mine who was robbing banks or years.
He was, uh, he was in a mental security on some violation time.
He found out he was about to get indicted for bank robbery, screwed for minimal security.
Before I got out, I received a postcard.
car from him. A friend of his and ours
was in the feds before. He got tight
with some little Casey guys out in New York.
He was running some type of house with
women with lingerie or something. I don't know. Some
fighter. And my friend was going down there hanging around
him, but they were planning scores
and they wanted me. I was a good car, thief, a driver
and shit. I was still a kid, right?
So he said, when you get out, we're going to come down.
So enough, I get out, they come down.
This is an interesting story in itself.
So
my friend, I was only out of a couple
weeks. And so we hit this bank in Warwick, right? Yeah, I grabbed like seven grand in my end.
But seven grand, you know, 25 years ago, just getting out of the can, I could buy a car,
shit like that. We didn't get a lot of money. We got like 25 grand, right? But a lot of people,
the idea was to grab money because we had an arm of car and planned. I forgot to leave that.
Because they had a girl who was messing with, I'm all over the place, but try to stay with me.
But this girl was messing with this armoured car guy. She was messing with him. He'd go to the
bathroom. She'd take pictures up the trip tickets.
trip tickets out where his drop off stuff like that
and the addresses
so you look for the best location to whack the alma car
but you need money to operate so we hit the bank
all right let's put this score together
now these guys were at a certain level where they could do that
I guess right
um
what I didn't know
fucking unbelievable
so the guy's name was Darrell the one from New York
he's from Rhode Island but he's in New York
these guys uh there's another crew
and we're not in operating they were doing home invasions
and mansions and stuff they would take pictures
of the stuff, this is the old days, keep in mind.
I take pictures of the stuff, send it to Darrow,
and he'd show it to the, try to sell it, right?
To the, what are you called?
You know, guys out in town, you know.
So, there you go.
So he got caught, you got grabbed because somebody died
in the mansion down here.
So everybody's all over it.
He gets grabbed, and he started to ratting.
And nobody knew this guy was fucking ratting.
He ends up robbing the car and another guy.
We're going to rob the same people again because we have the trip
tickets. Comes down here, robs a bank with me.
He had another guy, gave another guy,
to rob him, to commit an assy, and rob money here,
and there was all these crimes. A guy grabbed the money back.
Basically, he gets all these crimes in his head.
And one day, he gets grabbed, and he just let him have it all.
Me, he grabbed a bunch.
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Here he was almost like an informant.
committing crimes. I don't know if he was
informant or he just read it in that case
and then he started committing more crime. He probably
figured I can wheel and deal my way. And so enough, he did.
He only got five years. The rest of us all got big time.
What happened to me is
so he'd offered me 25. I'm just a kid.
I'm like 24 now, right?
Fuck it. So I got my friends,
those other friends on the other side
got me a free lawyer. They helped me out. They got me Jack
Cessalini. Jack got it down
at 12 to serve. Here, this is
the biggest state that takes deals.
We wheel and deal. You don't rent on a number. You don't
hurt nobody, but they force you to take a deal
because you're facing so much time
when you're suspended. No other state does it like that.
It's fucked up. The feds didn't
really have shit on the bank, Rowey. And if you
catch enough time in the state, they'll leave you alone.
Anyway, the fucking...
So while the bank robbery's present
and Jack's record on it,
I got a lot of story for you.
Okay, I told you how wild the prison was.
So in 1991,
they got this troubleshoot of guy
like a director, prison director.
First he went to Walpole, Massachusetts, and turned that around.
Then they hired him to come down there.
He was like a troublesher.
Turn his joint around, where you?
He comes down.
He sees how wide open the street, closed, blah, blah, blah.
He's taking all this shit away.
And the only way to do is the cause of disturbance.
Sure enough, they were taking stuff little by little.
Then he had this one room that was new.
If you get a dirty year and in prison, you'll lose your visitation rights for so much time.
And then each time you're down gets west and west.
And that's what triggered it off.
This guy come out on the discipline board
One day goes, these motherfuckers
Because the guy kept taking little things
He knew what he was doing
He took all the street clothes, this, that
Guys had fucking little ovens in their cell
It was fucking nuts
He took all that shit, right?
And he knew what he was doing
And this one thing took to him
If the guy comes out
And he tells the guy
They took my fucking visit
What?
Fuck this, everybody went fucking nuts
They got news footage and everything
And so he started tearing the joint apart
They got news footage of
Here comes the gods
There were 200 of them marching in the yacht
banging the fucking stick, right?
I love this footage.
And they come in,
they try to intimidate all the guys in the yard.
These guys, they're fucking shooting tear gas.
You see, Kahn's running around.
It's a mask on.
They fired a tear gas at the Kahn picked up.
He fucking threw up.
It's fucking great footage, right?
And so they come in,
and they don't see him.
Get the fuck out of there.
That's right.
Run them the fuck out of there.
And that's footage of it.
So anyone wants to fucking deny now.
I'll find that footage, right?
Threw those fucking screws right out of there.
right and they were pissed
as always
every time we did that
they have to call a state police
police come in they line the wall
they're gonna fucking blow your head off
they ain't fucking around
they put them in when they find
everybody in their cell
the guy was a masterful
what he did
anybody I was on the street at the time
this was before I came in from the bank
anyone that had an influence
he shipped them all over the country
federal prison state prisons
all the way to fucking Illinois
to fucking Julietin whatever
statesville I had friends
I knew they were in all different prisons
and then he started
a letting in the weak element. The guys were bad charges, stuff like that. And then if a guy like
me goes back and don't like it, too bad we're gonna fucking, you'd rot in high security
until you'll adjust or you'll get shipped out of state. So I come back in the millers,
in the middle of what they call taking the prison back. The guy was a genius. So what he did
is he hired a bunch of young kids on steroids. They don't fear us. They don't know us. They don't
know, they don't know I can cut your fucking head off. They don't care. They were just jumping in
And they look around, there's a crew of screws walking around.
The drink's locked down, mind you.
And they're walking around him too.
He was one of them.
Come in your shell, break you up, pick you out of there, right?
So, it was really bad.
We're at war with him for like, this was from 91 to 93.
There was a bunch of smaller eruptions.
Guys were hitting seals with fucking fire extinguishes.
It was going on and on it went.
And they were fucking us up.
It was so bad they arrested a few COs for assault, and they were catching bids.
It was fucking out of control.
H.
All over the fucking place.
COs get arrested with traffic in a...
H.
And I tell you that for a reason, because one of them was a friend of mine, he got arrested selling heroin.
But before he got arrested for selling H prison, one day, I'm in a hole for a few months.
Not, I come out, it's a whole new prison.
The old days are gone, and I hadn't need to adjust fast.
But while I'm down and seg, guys are coming down, all broken up, guys are making threats.
When I get out on fucking one-on-one, a guy would get out, Bing, Bing, Cold Blue, he would fuck somebody up and come back.
It was fucking crazy, man.
It was like living in a fucking Siberia.
So it was crazy, right?
But I embraced it.
I have a way of embracing insanity.
That I can embrace really well.
So I have a brother in maximum security at the time.
It was a little older than me.
My mouth is dry.
So I come on a sag.
They got what they call a Quay system.
There's there a dangerous felon in prison you go to this cell block.
Sorry, I go to that cell block.
I'm on the third tier.
I don't know where anybody is, nothing.
But my brother asked one show.
He even used the word CO now, but we'll use it because everybody understands that.
I've got to ask one CO.
Can't go see my brother?
Yeah, shall I go see him from?
Just be quick.
This other steroid head motherfucker comes around the fucking.
What the fuck are you doing up there?
I don't give you permission.
I'll ever say, fuck you.
What are you talking about?
That's on.
Here we go.
Just get out of the hole.
My stuff's on the bag.
My brother goes on the stairs.
They're fucking like arguing, right?
And they got this fucking thing.
While you arguing, no one gets behind you.
He fucking sucker shot in fucking push to cold.
They were fucked up dudes, man.
these fucking motherfuckers they let in there.
So I'm on the third tier.
I'm looking at this prick
trying to fucking hit my brother from behind.
No, you don't want you, you motherfucker.
Now, I'm not a big guy.
I'm somewhat strong,
but it's different when you're bending the hole
doing push-ups and you're fucking living on
and fucking angling insanity.
Now you've got a fucking strength of a fucking bull.
I ran down that third tier
and caught him just right.
That's big motherfucker.
He's a big stir right at these fucking stomach.
What's that for?
He's a fucking stomach.
What's that for?
He's running your fucking mom?
Now, at the time, I'm no karate guy
But I always had a couple of kicks I can throw
I threw a spin-and-back kick
Oh my God, Atlanta's the best one
I couldn't do it again if I wanted
I only did it twice in life where Atlanta just right
And that was where I caught this prick right here
Now he's fucking nervous
Like I couldn't believe he was shocked that somebody would hit him
This big stud right at right
My friend happened to be standing there
Because he was cleaning his cell with a fucking brook
Give me that fucking I broke the stick
Here they come
This guy takes off
The squad comes
I couldn't believe I had these motherfuckers
Intiminated with a broken stick
At the end of the day, guys out of bullies are always fucking collards.
We know that.
If you're a bully, you're a coward, and I'll fucking reveal it.
You might be tough with your hands, but I will fucking take your life,
and that's what you're afraid of.
And that's what they were afraid of.
Come on, you motherfuckers, I'm ready to die today.
I lost my mind.
I can't, I can't make this story up.
Ding, this is the first time I seen him do this,
because usually they want to cuff you right there.
Just go back to your cell, calm.
Because I was riling everybody up that was out, right?
At least I thought I was.
Go back to your cell, calm down.
But I'll tell you what, I stopped him from hitting my brother.
I said, all right, we're not going to jump me.
If you jump me, I don't care how long it takes.
I was talking shit.
I had the stage.
I got the stage.
I'm running my mouth.
They put me in the cell.
Now, you get this thing.
This is an old cell block from 1800s.
They have to pull this bar that locks up top.
And then you have to key lock each cell.
All of it like that, but this part of the prison is like that.
It's from the 1800s.
So I'm waiting for a slide bar to the shot and lock.
And I hear the guy on the other side.
I'm going to rip his fucking hand off there coming to get me.
I said, motherfucker.
We're looking at the bar.
It's not being shut.
I leave them open to come get me?
What's going on, right?
I'm like fucking rainbow at this fucking point.
So I got nothing.
I just got out of a hole.
I got nothing, but I have a belt back then we had built.
I took a belt, put a lock on it, and grabbed the pen.
And kicked my door, but I swear that this was on my fucking daughter's eyes.
I did this.
Right?
Not that it's this big, great accomplishment, but I'm trying to show you how far I lost my...
I kicked the door and said, come on, you motherfuckers.
I'm out of my fucking.
sell. Now only my tears open. I'm running down a tear. Hey, I need something. All these
fucking cowards. The prison was never like this. Usually they were all come out.
Come on, Dean. Let's get them. Oh, I don't want to tell them. They had let all these fucking
weasels in. And they knew what they were doing when they did it. And it was working this
day. So you fucking caught. Now I'm yelling at them to you coward motherfuckers. I don't want
to help. They were all, these are the guys that intimidated. What is it there? As you
notice, it did between a conflict and inmates. I was in there with a bunch of inmates.
A con will stand on principle and stand up when he has to. An inmate just
goes along with the fucking program.
I don't want no trouble.
Shut the fuck up, right?
So they left me hanging.
No, I'm frigging when they're going to come.
I can use the fire escape, crack one, trouble back up.
I had all this fucking shit in mind, right?
And so they got quiet.
I said, that's right, I'm out.
Let's go, you fucking.
So, all right, if it's quiet, right?
Up the stairs is the God who's supposed to shut their gate.
He's my friend.
The one that got arrested for that trafficking in age.
Very soon after this, he got arrested and was in the same fucking prison.
But he says,
Please, I want to lose my job.
I was supposed to lock the door, please.
You're not going to get jumped.
I promise, blah, blah, blah.
All right, so he put me in a cell.
All right, Ray.
I'll go in, I believe you.
So I'm in myself for an hour to week.
I see the news media.
So, try to keep in mind.
I just told you really, there's a lot of assault and behavior going on, back and forth.
It got so bad the feds are now involved.
What the fuck's going on down here in the ACI?
Why are all these CEOs getting arrested for us?
So what the fuck?
So now everybody's involved in a couple days before,
my assault, this kid assaulted a guard
and a medium security.
maximum security and beat them almost to death so the heat was on them so i was the first guy
i got to laugh at this because i'm supposed to get a fucking beaten right so they started um
cell extractions with a camcorder back then they had to open the cell with a camp corner and oh so i'm the
first guy i don't know not about this right what's going on so you got to record me from the
one cell no matter what it's brutal they're bringing me to they got all the way to the next
building till i get in that cell safely so anyway i come out of my cell and come out of my cell and
I figured let me just
clench my fucking jaw
I'll say if you break my jaw
right
I walk into a gauntlet cops
some state police
investigators
they were all fucking
I'm like
oh fuck
we're not gonna get this
beaten right
I can go in the room
I could take the cuffs
is all right
Dean strip
I don't know what I got the fun
he was like all right
you're all right
can he bruises on you
so fuck
is this
so now there's so much heat on
they wanted to see
if I was fucked up
it was fucking crazy
I like the first guy
part of this one on
call it a new program, but it was because of the heat they had. And so all this time,
the campcores on me. They didn't have any room in high security. I remember they had to
bring me the medium security. He put me in that segregation until I had a cell open. But all the way
to meet him, they took me, my brother, I put in another building, and a friend of mine who
didn't do nothing along, but got charged. Anyway, I got charged with a salt and the seal, I guess
was what I was trying to get to. Keep in mind, the bank robbery was pending. So there's a
reason why I tell you the story is because they offered me to fucking. So now I'm off,
I'm fucked. There's a 25-year deal 12 to serve, right? But then I picked up the assault.
So I go to court to take the deal, and the prosecutor was like, you know what I just picked
up an assault at the prison, blah, blah, blah. So they end up giving me. I was two years to the
day almost when I went to take the 12 years. They said, I will give you another 10 years to
serve running in. But you're not going to get retroactive time. So it's basically, I end up
catching, I end up doing two years
before I even started my 12 year bid.
So I was doing a 14 year bit. Does that make sense what I'm trying
to tell you? Yeah, yeah.
I'm trying to say it, but
you know, you understand. Yeah, you got
two for the assault. Right, 10 years
to serve, right. Now, even though
it was concurrent, they started it that day.
So I did two years for nothing.
I really did 14. So I ended up doing 10 years
on a 12 year sentence to make my
and when I got out,
I was worse than ever.
You know, if I only continue that story,
the fuck
it goes on and on
keep in mind
I was good back
excuse me
how were you
when you got out
the second night
or that
35 years old
a count
in 2001
I was released
to a program
right
we don't have
halfway houses down there
they least until like
a salvation
on me
I was broke
the wise guys were drying up
there's none of that shit
around
I was running around
with a half fast crow
they didn't have nothing going
this is the time
when guys
had traded a couple hundred bucks
hey kid
he fucked
you with that fuck fucking insult right in my mind i thought i deserved more what i did it not it's
not i need a heel or there my mindset was that somebody gonna give me five grand or something what the
fuck i put some work in nothing but that's how it goes nobody gives a fuck what you did nobody's
come up off their money you gotta go get your own it's all there is to it and uh so i'm in the
program i knew before i got i was gonna fucking do a score when i have to do a score to get on my feet
i'm planning crimes in the camp before i get out that's how fucked up i was i didn't work
work, right? They utilize it as a halfway house, but it's not a real halfway house.
So I needed some money. I wanted to put some money together quick. I ran it to a friend of
mine who was equally desperate. He wasn't in the program, but there was a crew of us that used to
do banks together. Sometimes we'd interact. I'd do it with him. He'd doing him with him after or something
like that. He was part of that little crew he had. Most of us, most of them were in prison now.
a couple of dad, things were changing, right?
But so, I kind of did this on.
First of all, when I arrived at the program, I'll never forget this,
keep in mind, the whole time I'm in prison,
I'm still interacting with, you know, wise guys and stuff, right?
There was this one guy that took care of me the whole time.
It's actually my girlfriend now's dad who's passed away.
But for her, I'd just leave his name out of it,
but anyone locally knows him.
I mean, he was a maid guy, and his captain was the guy from the can.
but uncle to me.
I don't want to say dad
if I everybody uses that,
but I was close to him.
Me and my brother
did a lot of time
were close to this guy.
And one of my other brothers,
I mean, there's a lot of stuff I left out.
I had another brother
who wasn't a hard and criminal.
I'll get right back to where I was,
but you need to hear this part.
I did a video on it recently.
I have another brother
who's between me and ages
and my other brother.
Me, my brother Lauren,
my brother, Lauren, my brother,
Chris, where did three criminals
and a family that was in trouble.
My brother Lauren wasn't a hardened criminal
but he got himself from trouble.
He's ended up in a lower security
he had balls he got no fight
he ended up in maximum security
now he felt probably just
urged to live up to the name
he gets a new thing
hits this fucking guy in the head with a wait
but the guy tells him to be an expert
martial arts expert
you ripped my brother's eye out of his head
ripped her in out of his head
got him down pulled his eye out of his head
in maximum security
so that's this is the shit that's happened to my family
he's taking hits to the whole way
right and the whole time
I'm in prison which I also need to say
My only constant was, I had a couple of girlfriends that stuck around a bit more like my sister and my other brother, Brian.
They were like always in our corner.
They couldn't always be up there, but neither they took turns.
Either way, we always had them.
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They always relied on them.
My sister would always send money
My brother Brian, so I always had them.
Anyway, so now I get released.
My sister comes to bring me something,
clothes, whatever it is.
As I open a gate, let my sister in.
I was only in the program a day.
And here comes this thing.
This SUV.
They fucking anyone who...
My sister said, that looks like a cop.
I said, you know what?
Actually, a fed.
I was.
It turns out later.
it was right away they were on me nothing to do with my history it was more to do with the
history of people I was communicating with you know you got a young kid coming out hungry
who's messing with the wise guys they know you're the guy that's going to make the
fucking move not them you're the hungry guy the other fucking animal they're going to send
so they were on me right away right um so I had that in mind so now I'm in the program
I found the way the guy will I give the guy 20 bucks let me go do
this easy job in the basement, right? So he thinks I'm in the basement. Because you gotta sign
in and out. So I snuck out. You understand? I snuck across the bridge into each province
with my friend. And we used to do what was called takeovers. That means if we'd go in the bank,
I would hop over the counter and take all the money on the bottom drawers. Just here, there's no
die packs. No diapacks, no alarms, nobody gets hurt. Shut the fuck up and give me the money.
So we'd run in, usually can hit like three towels. We'd average around 50 grand, all right?
So a bad day, you get 25. 50 grand in 19, uh, until 2001 was a lot, was a lot better than
was now, right? You don't get reds, but you can get on your feet.
So, I remember hitting that bank and there's a woman all over one on.
First of all, he all got on the floor. I said, everybody get the fuck up.
Like, get up. I don't know a fucking cop riding by and saying they'll see nobody, right?
And it looks some more suspicious. They're like, this guy's fucking cut it backwards.
Right? Get the fuck out. Take it easy. I'm going to hurt nobody, right?
So, the funny thing is about that bank.
So I wanted to hurry up, go through this next time, because the provium sits on
east side of province. So if you
crossed this quick bridge from the east province
in the town, so I want to cross over and get back real quick
and go in the basement, hey, I'm still here, guys, right?
And that's what I did. So the FBI
came and they even looked at the... I never locked out. He was
there all the time working, right?
But as I'm...
As I was
driving, my friends in the back
with the money on the floor, I'm
getting... There's two cops, but the
on ramp is, it's called I-95.
One-95.
As I'm getting on
just short strip of highway
to get back to their fucking cop
This one I could tell these
The cops are going by me
Responding to the bank
You can see them coming from all over
Right
Their sirens ain't on
Foon boom right
I know where they're going
So this one cop is back in it
I was the last cop by
This motherfucker block the exit
Right
I was like oh my god
I've seen in my real real mirror
Oh man that would have been bad
Quick they go over there
I go back
Like you know like nothing ever happened
Hide the money up the street
And so
somebody had told the cops
they tried to get in that car
they didn't know how we did it
we just appeared
into this wooded areas
what happened
so they thought
the armed robbers
were in the streets
to these problems
all running around
machine guns
all this
I'm home counting the money
watching the news
like what the fuck
they do
so
it was caused
a little bit of a racket
and then right away
my parole officer says
hey dean
FBI contact me
they wouldn't want to talk to you
I said what right now
I don't know
if they call me back
I'll let you know
I said all right
I'm like oh fuck
because I'm already
it's still
small down here. I just got out of the can. The way you steal the car and all that stuff,
the type of car, they're not stupid. This is an older guy. Who just got out? Okay, good. This guy,
right? Say, well, I'm right away, but they never called back. I know why not they want to watch me,
right? So I had a little bit of heat from messing with the wise guys already. Now there's a
bank that happens. My stupid ass, I'm thinking it's the old days I'm going to put a crew together.
Because I'm known as a criminal, so anybody that needs something done, whether it be a wise guy,
it could be you somebody hit your sister
I had guys for this now
the old thing we need to make some money so
this guy needs to be smashing and pay his bill
hey want to make a quick 500 and then later
on maybe throws me home I don't care
there's a lot of chump change involved I wasn't doing
it but I was doing when I didn't mind doing it because I do this guy
a favor now I can get into the union or say
you understand this guy fucking pit your daughter
hey you want to make 500 fuck him up for that
hey I took care of that for you you understand
how it's a great job doing that so that's what I
was doing right trying to put this crew together as
fucking i was way out of dating out of time with this some days were over right i was in the can
a long time i didn't know that things had deteriorated as much as they did so i had this one
fucking guy i'm trying to put him on my feet on his feet and i should have known i gave him like
a money bag to rob a deposit bag he couldn't do it it was a quick 12 grand to get on his feet
but little things he just wasn't built for it and i had the problem is i took i had these two
kids that i thought one was in the military i thought i could train these military they're both in
the military. I figured, okay, perfect guys to train. You know, they already got that
discipline why I had it so fucking law. Like both of them. I don't think they served
in common. Whatever fuck they did. They got pictures with machine guns, black stuff on their
face, but all this fucking bullshit. Now, I'm not to no disrespect to those real guys
who serve in combat. I have much respect for them. But I learned about some military guys
I'll never steal one again because when they get pinched, he's a dirty, right criminal. You
served your country. You're a good man. Yeah, it's right. He's a criminal. Huh. You motherfuckersers
They ran on me every fucking time.
I'm not saying all of them guys like that,
but these two represent that
because they're in the serving combat.
They're not real fucking.
But if they don't know any better
and you see their pitches
with an M-16 and whatever the fuck they had back then,
these guys are ready to rock and roll.
The drop of a hat.
I mean, bullshit, right?
Anyway,
all these smaller crimes
I had to pick up on arson.
Somebody needed a truck yard burned down.
It was an issue with a union.
I had to get it done
because I made a promise.
I get it done.
The guy had wanted to do it.
Not capable.
I ended up doing it my fucking self with the guy.
I told him,
whenever asked me for work again.
But this kid used to drive me around when I first got out.
So he's seen,
I was going on to all these social clubs.
So I was going on to different crews with wide guys,
but I was still loyal to the one particular guy,
but everybody was getting old.
It was dying off.
I couldn't grab no money from there.
Them days were over.
I'm on my own now.
I got to make some money.
Put my own crew together, blah, blah, blah.
That was the mindset, right?
So, they're watching me.
from the one bank.
I'm trying to think out some other stuff that may have happened in between.
But anyway, I decided to maximize my profit and rob a bank by myself.
So, and my sister would have killed me at the time for this because my nephew passed away, my sister's son.
Adam, I was close to this kid.
He's like 17.
Well, I didn't want to get him involved in the life.
But there's a lot of work leading up to rob in the bank.
I had to find a car in a nice place, change the plates, but I needed someone to drive my car.
while, I drove the stolen car.
You know, back to put a...
I used to place the stolen car
a night before near the bank.
So the next day,
go up there on another car,
use the stolen car,
leave that,
you know,
and take off in the regular car, right?
So,
I got these little walkie-talkies,
so my nephew's only a kid, right?
I'm like,
I felt like an asshole
doing it out,
but I just trusted him.
It was so close.
He was like my fucking son.
So it sounds like,
I sound like an asshole saying that,
but he couldn't have got
in no trouble legally,
first of all,
because they would never find out
because I would never give them up.
Other people
understand. Oh, you put him in a position? Well, really, no, I didn't. He can never take a pinch
for this. So, anyway, he's got my car. I peel up the car and hold the car. So I, so I just want
him to be in the air. If anything happens, I can get in a high-speed chase and run, and then he
can pick me up. I got a walkie-talkie. You follow me? Yeah. So as I get in a stolen car,
I get to this up the street, uh, what's post road, there's a cop right there. It's
two more. It's me, the cop, my fucking nephew. How the fuck? I get on the highway. He's got his
fucking lights on. So I tell my nephew, all right, get off of the next exit. I'll meet you over there.
Because I knew I could drive all crazy and get off of the next day and get in another car and screw.
All right. All right. So this guy's behind me. I pull over, but he keeps going. But what a moment
that was. I just got in a car, 25 seconds earlier. There's a cop right on me. But he didn't want me.
He wanted somebody else. My point is I put my nephew in that position. But he wouldn't have got
in no trouble. Unless they caught, unless they connected us. So I grabbed the car, I placed it there
like for the next day
I run in a bank by myself
I've had other cold offenses
on the cases who never took a pinch
me I ate my crimes
but they didn't eat them with me
but I had somebody drive for me
in the legit car
they really got to do with the bank itself
but I have them like a mile away
I jump in the trunk
sometimes you have to do it differently right
so I run in here's three tellers
you know I have the old drive girl like 45 grand
right
fucking one lady's give me a hard time
I'm like, Jesus, price, an old lady.
Fucking, it's not your money.
Fuck, get out of my way.
I needed them to open a drawer so I could take it out.
It's a pain in the ass.
If you ain't got the right bag, the bag, flops, money falls.
Real fucking pinning.
You got the gun.
How are you going to hold the gun?
I had to learn how to shoot a little bit when I left hand
so I can use my right hand and grab the money.
It's a little bit of a gun.
One time I just, all right, put the gun down.
Grab all the money.
It's just fucking retarded it, right?
I'm cowboying the joint.
But, you know, I know I can do it.
And I got away with it, right?
You would think.
So, just to tell you how I fell, I tell you that story.
And, oh, yeah, a week before, I had planned it with this one kid who kept letting me dumb.
I met him in prison.
We became friends, we went to the program together.
So when I hit that bank, the first one, he's seen it all over the news.
He goes, I know that you, that's your work.
Please let me get involved.
And I kind of liked him.
He's quiet.
I took me a while to take home like that.
So I said, all right.
So I planned this last one I did.
And the very last bank I did, I planned it with him.
I stole a car.
I had him drive it, place it at a certain spot.
The next day, we're going to go hit the bank.
He sees a traffic cop two miles away, it's all fucking scared.
I said, don't worry about it.
At least I know where he's at.
I got the fucking police scanner.
I know where he's at.
Don't worry about it.
We're going to be in on in the two minutes.
Anyway, he backed out.
And I'm like, fucking aggravated with this kid.
Fuck you.
Next week, I did it alone.
I needed my nephew to help me with that car.
That's it.
He helped me place him.
That's it.
And so, I hit the bank.
Like a fucking asshole
I'm buying Cadillacs
Blah blah blah right
Now this kid's fucking jealous
Plus I am helping him
His girl's watching me helping him
I don't need to learn these things
I didn't know his pride is for it
I'm making him look back
She's like
He's out of the can't do well
What the fuck you're a bummy
I don't know
So you know how that stuff has an effect
This jealous fucking bastard
He gets pinched doing something stupid
Now he didn't see me
Round the bank
Now this is now I'm going to the feds
Why people keep fucking asses
asking me. He's a pain in the ass trying to explain that. So, this is called circumstantial
evidence. So I get arrested by the fence. First they were watching, I had this gun. I used to
hide every night in the woods in my house. Oh, all right. I had to leave this out. So the kid
calls me, right? The kid I'm talking about the one I had planted where he didn't want to do it. So he calls
me. I said, he's in the intake. He's, well, how are you calling?
on this. It goes, my lawyers let me use the phone real fast.
I'm like, oh boy. He goes, and that's
one, let me get done. He says, you know, I can't go back
to the casino. I switched the whole content
of the conversation. I'm like, this motherfucker's
ratting on him. Right?
So I'm like, no, I can't go to the casino. You know, my little
prologs, whatever I said.
Calls me back again. Turns out ladies
on the FBI's fucking phone calling me in his
print. The stupid thing, they let him call
on the cell phone. Why did you do that? You supposed to do
the prison call, you fucking dumb dumbs, right?
If they ever did the normal prison call, he might have been a little more
trickier, right? He's calling me in a
cell phone from the prison, which is so stupid on the airport. But anyway, um, I was so,
he got out. He wanted me to bail him out with a thing. He goes, I'm getting out tomorrow
anyway. Whatever. Meet me. So when he gets out, I'm driving down there, and I got a fucking,
this motherfucker's got to go. He's driving down looking for this guy. I'm creeping through
the backyards where he'll this fucking crackhead shut the fuck up. All kind of shit's going on.
And I can't find this prick. I'm driving home in the window down so I can throw the gun. There's nothing
worse than driving with a gun at 2 in the morning, you know, and you're a felon because they're
a big trouble you control that fucking thing, right?
I drive home, I'm hiding a gun to third day.
I got fucking lazy, and I didn't, I said, I'll hide it in the morning.
I go in my house.
I put it in fact, the next morning.
I come out to do the garbage, right?
And I see the neighbor talking to a guy.
I'm thinking it's his friend.
It didn't, something's wrong, but I ain't registering.
Come on, I dumped the garbage, like, good morning, go on.
Get in the fucking car.
And they fucking swaned.
All I heard was,
Don't you move,
Motherfucker, FBI.
This guy must have been from Texas.
Dean, I'll blow your goddamn head off.
Don't you move, motherfucker?
The fuck.
I got a cigarette.
I'm fucked up.
It's not a tough guy thing again.
Gee, motherfuckers.
I just didn't get up, right?
I got a cigarette.
Put that cigarette out of you.
I'm getting rid of died, though.
If I try to move that common dead man,
you know what that goes,
I'm not a fucking suicide idiot,
but it's just fucking what the fuck.
I'm telling you more what kill you got?
I'm there to yell, all that shit.
Like, fuck you.
I threw the cigarette out, right?
My hands out, go out.
And they kept saying, he's tricky.
Watch him, he's tricky.
I guess I got a prison history of being tricky
for the way I said, Paul kind of moves.
That shit goes on your record.
You don't even realize it.
The reason why I said it, because years later,
a cop said it.
He said, he said, he were a tricky bastard, right?
Anyway, I get arrested.
Now, the wicked guy who I did the ascent,
I had to do the arson.
military kid. He's not the main guy even talking about.
The kid, John, he used to drive me
around. He'd come up to the program before I got up,
before I got a kite, drive me around. My brother
sent me, your brother, Chris said me to help you all.
And I don't want to get down if there's a score, so that's how
what happened. And so I gave him the ass and he
fucking fumbled that. Anyway,
the one kid who knew
I was going to play, plan the first bank,
that bank with the last one, the military,
another military guy. He didn't want to do it
because I told him was a cop of the street. He got
for a crime, and he called him and says, look, I think I know
who robbed that Lincoln Bank.
And the reason why he had credibility is because a week before, I had planned it with him and put the car in place.
So he knew all these little things about where the car was, where I'm going to jump over the car.
So that's a believable thing.
That's enough credibility.
So he, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they tell them about the other kid.
They surround the other kid.
You know, you're, you're on the rest.
They're scared of fucking.
They don't run no bank.
I only committed an ass and I swear.
Oh, Jesus Christ, these guys were folding like crazy.
So now that kid, he knew a little bit about,
because sometimes you could see a little bit about what I'm doing,
but I'll never let you see me rob the bank.
But he knew I stole a car.
He knew I scrapped that bank out.
So it's not enough.
It's not enough of me to say he definitely robbed the bank,
but not have to prove it's called credit.
So he ended up ratting on the first bank.
The other guy told him about the second bank.
But keep in mind, they don't really have any real evidence.
And what happened is this.
They, uh, is somebody told him we're playing it.
I don't know how the fuck they found this out exactly, but they say it was playing around my car.
I think it was somebody I was dating at the time.
I don't know what the fuck of later.
I forgot how they found out.
Somebody was fucking, I got to think about that one.
They thought I was, they had that word I was going to plan on the robber on the car.
And they took him up the streets a little too fast as what happened.
Their sack they called, especially he's in charge.
He's on a boss and he's like, listen, get that fucking kill the street.
If he robs an arm and kind of kill somebody, we're in fucking trouble.
That's what I think happened, right?
So basically he took the streets pretty quickly.
He said Romney, robbing, get arrested.
I'm charging.
Two on bank robberies.
What people don't know is when you hopped the counter,
every teller I robs another count.
So I robbed 3,000 one bank, $2.00.
I got five counts of robbery.
Two bank.
They don't even doesn't look like bank robber.
It looks like just like robbery on paper.
So I got two bank robberies.
And Arson, Possession of Fire, and a stupid burglary
I committed out in fucking East credits.
There's only five, six grand, but I'm a fucking asshole.
I got $30,000.
I mean, I'll rob five more.
That's what I do for a living.
And I did it.
So, uh, they bring me on to this.
room in the courthouse. I got all these charges hanging
over my head.
The charge, the bank robberies are weak,
very weak. You see how I told you how to what they
know. Yeah, it's their company.
Like, you've just got some people saying. I'm glad you
understand that, right. It's so hard to explain that to
the average person. Well, and they're not even saying
I was there and I saw him.
They're just saying, I know he got a car.
And this is how I know, right? And so, FBI
just says to me, you and I both know
it's weak. The government's, I probably not even going to try it.
But the state will try a ham sandwich. The thing with
a state, they'll try anything. They'll just
Throw it open sticks.
The feds don't do that.
They're more professional.
If they don't have a conviction,
they don't want that on their loss on their record.
They wait until they can get you.
They like to boast about their 97% conviction rate.
And the reason why they have it is they don't fuck around.
They look for high cases with high, well,
a lot of evidence, so to speak.
I always tell people, look, when the feds come to arrest you,
they pot your case, they do everything.
When the people think something's wrong, arrest you,
and then try and put the chaos.
Hey, good way to put it.
So the problem was immediately
threw all these charges at me.
So I didn't get that kind of money
to fight all these charges, first of all of them.
But the arson is the problem in the gun.
But the problem with the arson
is the state police organized crime unit
was all over it because he figured
it's got ties to organized crime.
What's a guy like me doing better
on a million-dollar trucks to cut?
I wanted to put the guy out of business, they thought.
And who am I doing that for?
If his union involved,
and the kids tell him he went here and here.
So he's shown in the social clubs I went and the people are talking about, okay, this thing's mob related in their mind.
It's a great title.
The fucking arson became more important than the bank, all right?
So, because the bank is weak.
So FBI agent comes in there.
He goes, 18.
Arson, by the way, just to clarify this, arson, people don't realize it.
Like you say arson because they don't hear it a lot and people don't think, oh, okay, he burnt something down.
It's serious, serious, fight.
I don't fuck your whole life up, too.
Yeah, yeah.
I know guys got 15, 20, 25 years.
for us to you build it
after you get out of trouble
you can't go in this halfway house
if you're gonna ask him
because you can't get covered
it really fucks your life up
in a big way it does
this is only fourth degree
still to this day
it causes me trouble
when I try to do certain
you're gonna ask
in charge oh my god
but anyway
so they arrest this kid
he threatened a bank robber
he starts right
oh so they call me in his room down town
at the court
our superior court
I got the fucking prosecutor
the cop from a small tom
with the burglary, Lincoln Police with the bank robbery, FBI.
Everybody from every crime from every town, they're all there.
They're off for me 12 years.
And they first want me to talk about the bank.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm like, is it?
Like I always say, it's not a tough guy thing.
I just don't know how to do it.
Are you afraid?
No, I just don't know how to start.
Just stop.
No, I can't do it.
I just couldn't do it.
That's just the way I made.
It brought me back a couple of times.
I had another case is.
It's a pain in you.
This guy I worked for it.
I just had to smash him in prison
before I got out, to be honest with you.
So it was his duty.
I have to throw this in there.
This guy,
he had a construction company
and a small collar.
What a fuck, Stevie Ds.
Everybody knows how put his name out there.
He's a fucking asshole.
Everybody says, I worked for him for a little while.
So as I'm working for him,
because I had to work on parole,
that's when I hit the bank.
So I told him Stevie, I don't want to work anymore.
Just keep giving me the,
you had to keep getting the job, so you understand?
And so I don't want to put him out there and get him in trouble.
So I got to watch how I say it.
Anyway, the cops wanted to get him for money laundering, right?
And, yeah, I think I can leave this long because I don't want to get the kid.
I got caught with the possession of a firearm.
I'll put it this way.
The firearm belonged to a fucking ex-cop.
They were so fucking, how's the bank robber got this gun?
And they thought, which ain't true, that he gave it to him.
I said, we're fucking busing his boss.
So anyway, they kept begging me, come up to the prison.
And why are you protecting the Stevie D?
Because they wanted all that money he had, a lot of money.
They didn't like him.
He had multi-million dollar businesses.
They wanted to take him down.
They kept off my deals.
I'm in high security.
Two years into my bid, Dean, classification, I get done as a fucking cops.
Get the fuck out of you.
Why are you protecting that Stevie?
I'm walking.
Fuck you.
Dean, he's no good.
Yeah, shut the fuck.
This fucking kid never sent me a fucking dime.
I did 18 years.
And it kept him out of the can, right?
Motherfucker.
I get out.
He's trying to fucking act like he's trying to help me.
He doesn't make any.
Jetchers. I don't plot. I'm like, damn, I'm going to have to fucking do something to this kid, right?
Anyway, hands up in the can. Oh, he lied to me.
Someone's going to run this thing, this, that, nothing to happen. I got fed up, but anyway,
I just got sad down recently for a year. I finally, I was out for three years. I got tripped
up a little bit with neurons. I went back a month here, a month there, but I got acclimated
to the world. So going back now, I was like, oh, my fucking God. I was like, civilized.
It was the worst experience over that year. It was fucking horrible. But I flattened my bid.
My third-year bid's over now.
That's the bill.
I'm only on probation now, which is bad, but not like parole.
But in that year, a few days before, a couple weeks before I got out, who comes in?
He's an older guy.
He's like, man, I don't want to fucking bully him.
And so he's in his cell.
My friend, come here.
Shut the fuck.
Mother fuck.
Believe me, he was deserving of it.
I don't even know why.
I forget why I'm telling your story.
He was part of one of the cases they kept begging me and offering me a deal.
Well, that's why I'm telling you.
I kept him out of trouble.
Never helped me out, not once a motherfucker.
So I ended up
So I ended up catching
I took 50
30 to serve his wife
I don't know if I said this already
But I remember the FBI agent came in room
I probably told you this
He said Dean
You're a major league player
On a minor league team
He goes I thought I was going to be chasing you for seven years
Meaning I fucked up by fucking working with these clowns right
I was desperate right
I just didn't see it now
He goes
You and I know
the feck and bank's feet,
they're not going to take the, you know,
government's probably going to buy.
His state's probably going to try on that.
East province one.
He goes, but, and he was right.
He goes,
this arcing case is good.
Now, fuck you.
You're only going to get 10 years.
He goes, but I'm going to get a pristine jury
out of South County and you're going to get the 25 years
on the three strikes.
Here, it's called a bitchal offender.
And believe me, he can make it happen.
So I can catch 25 years, no parole.
Another 10 years for the arson, let's say, right?
So that's like 35 years in the can, right?
And then he goes, the government's going to take you for the gun.
That's, for me, a gun is 21, 22 years.
They match me out.
Because I got all these points, the shootings, the robberies.
So we're talking fucking Jesus, man, 70 years or something.
Which is very, nothing to do with the banks, mind you.
The assing and the gun.
So everybody keeps, that doesn't understand.
Understand this, please.
I took the deal, kept everybody out of trouble,
and no one else got pinched.
I had a couple of cold offenders.
I took that deal because I saved my life.
Look at me.
I'm out now.
If I didn't, I tried to fight all them, one at a time.
I didn't have the money until.
I probably got 10 years here, 50 over here, 25 people over here.
That's what I was up again.
But I also had to eat the banks, which I did do.
I know, I'm rocking.
I'm like, she around.
They knew I did it.
And so I said, all right, you can have this, but you're not getting my codefend.
I had a co-defendant at one bank who never took a pinch, and they went to me to see a lucky
fucking needs little rat.
And so I kept my friends out of the can.
Did anybody help me this?
Fuck no.
Just my family.
Just to put that in there.
But no one knows are you supposed to keep your fucking mouth shut anyway.
I always tell guys that, don't thank me.
I did it do your favor.
I do what I'm supposed to do.
People don't look at it like that anymore.
But anyway, I caught the 18, I mean the 30 years to serve.
All right?
So this is a significant part of my life.
I get back.
The prison's all fucked up.
I'm guys that told you.
I'm all fucked up.
I'm selling an H.
A cat and mouse game with their screws all the time.
In and out of high security, 24-hour day lockdown.
A guy ended up dying.
He wanted to charge me with his body.
He died on age.
I'm like, so anyway, I'm in high security for this.
The guy you passed away in the heroin, right?
What happened is this.
People think it exploded in his stomach.
I don't know what.
I didn't have nothing to do it, but this is what I know about it
because I have a police report.
The kid had a couple of grams of age in his stomach
for like five days.
He was panicking and he couldn't get it out, right?
He finally gets it out.
And so, I'm trying to just word, just trying to.
He gets it out.
He doesn't know nothing about heroin.
Funny thing is, his brother and his mother died of heroin.
He could never have a heroin act.
All this thing wants to do it.
I don't know what the fuck is, I don't know.
He takes him out.
What happens is when they age, in those days of you,
if it gets moist and damp, it condenses, right?
So he thinks he's taking out two bags, it's probably eight.
That's the only best way I can explain it.
This is what he must have did.
And so he got the dope body, takes him a little on,
and he writes a note,
to him to his cell, neighbor in his cell.
Give this to Dean and dies.
What the fuck?
He died enough to put my...
He was more or less.
right in the nose to tell somebody that the age to me.
The reason why he was doing it, because he worked in an industrial building.
So sometimes you might not see a guy for a week.
You can't catch him.
He works in industry.
He eats first.
You can't.
What the fuck?
So you'll say to him.
Give it to that guy to give him to that guy.
He'll get it.
You know how it goes, right?
And that's how you want to fucking note.
I go in the fucking, what they call a rail hall.
This woman is his SIE.
It was a best guy who's standing over a map.
She's a bitch, right?
A bitch woman.
I say, hey.
And I get the humor.
You see how my humor is.
I'm fucking nuts.
Hey, what's going on?
I'm just looking for a place to send you in this fucking country
like she's a general fucking...
Aten over a map, right?
I said, don't do me any fucking favors.
I hate this place, right?
You fucking ass what that kid's dead, you know?
I didn't do what I'm supposed to do.
Anyway, I went to high security meeting.
I had a Spanish friend who's Latin King.
My boy Atlanta, my shout out of this dog.
They all know him around here.
He's kind of bowed out of that life somewhat graciously,
but he did time for two bodies.
He was a serious kid in that life.
I rode with him a lot in there.
He was a Latin King.
I mean, I got other stories about beefs.
I left the beef all I had in that story.
I don't know if I should put that one in there.
When I came back on this beef, that was the other beef.
I want to hear the beef.
I got to tell a story.
It's pretty colorful, all right?
All right.
So I'm trying to think of what fucking, yeah, this was.
There's so many problems.
I think it was during my other bid, right?
94.
Yeah, it was my other bid for bank robbery.
This was when the prison started changing, as I told you guys.
So I had already assaulted the CEO, right, I went to high security for the assaultment
CEO back then.
And so, it might sound crazy people.
So they don't want me over there with him all that problems.
I send you to me in security, which is just like a maximum security, right?
Around here it is.
No different.
And in prison had changed.
Now we got gangs.
I already had to be for those fucking five percenters.
I tended to be for every fucking new group that came in.
Why I don't know?
So they went to the child line, which is standing outside the.
And these guys, this big motherfucker with his friends.
The day before I was in a pit working out,
there's this big dude, he's about 6'5, 240.
He's got the fucking 80s, and he's talking about,
yeah, so anyway, he didn't take a bed.
This fucking guy said to him and he goes,
you know what that is?
That's the fighter.
His name was Manny Contreras.
Manny Hazel's a crate, Petraeus.
He fought Riddick Boe.
He got fucking, Ridic Boe took him out in the first round,
but to make it that far to even fight Riddick Boe suggests
you must have some fucking monsters.
I said to my friend,
for that fucking kid. The next fucking day, I'm gonna beef with the guy.
We're standing in line. I'm that old school con. You don't cut me in line. I'll cut
your head off. That was the thinking, you know? Here he comes with his friends. They
think they're running a joint. All these young boys are all Latin kings.
Cut the line. I said, oh, what the fuck he is doing? He turns out. You got a
problem with that? Here I do. I ain't got no weapon on me. I'm like,
jeez. Here we go. He goes to eat and I run back to the block. I couldn't get back out.
It's a lunchtime. Guys are coming to me. Dino's Latin Kings are gathering.
I got, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I got my one loyal friend.
He was a fighter.
That fighter and his brother are a fighter.
My friend, Gemma, whoever you want on your, knows.
Very, very lawyer has been in my corner all the time.
This poor kid, I put him in this fucking situation.
He, uh, so I got a knife in the yard, but the fucking Latin kings are between me and that barrel where the knife is.
So I have to make a quick razor just to get there.
I make a couple of raises and get my friend one.
My friend's a tough kid with his hands.
He's a fighter, too.
They're all pro fighters, but I'm not.
I walked down there
A couple of guys
Like I got your back
Right
A couple of guys saying
If they don't mean it
A couple guys meant it
Because they threw with that
In King's Gander
I just kids a fucking monster
I'm thinking
I'm gonna get this fucking
Right
Like that's a stupid razor
I gotta get my knife
I go up to him
That shit that happened
Oh miss motherfucker hit me
Good thing he's big
And I was quick
And I seen it
And I went with it
And he just he caught me
He caught me
But I had went with it
And nothing really happened
Right
I got lucky
He's not a fucking again
But I had my razor
in my pants.
And when I moved the razor,
I had to reach out and get my friends
and I got knocked out.
He said, no, I grabbed the razor.
I step back.
Sorry, I'm moving on.
So, it's on.
I got the razor like, you motherfucker.
Come on.
I'm swiping at him.
He's throwing punches.
But he's so big I can, like,
I'm slipping and fucking,
and he's getting a little,
so anyway, somebody starts
shump me from behind.
No, I got two fucking guys.
I'm swinging.
I hit him and swing.
I'm in fucking trouble.
I didn't know if my friend started
beating up the kid's brother.
My friend, they're both big kids.
One of them was really big.
My friend is on the other kid.
So I guess sick and his...
Well, as this is going on, I can have a couple of friends.
They got involved.
One kid slipped in, he goes, man, your business.
He hit one of the Lank Kings and took him out of the picture.
Another kid, when I'm turning around to fight the littler guy,
another friend, Ricky, Ricky Silva, I got to give him a shout on this
because he saved my ass.
He hit the fucking box up.
Boom, motherfucker.
But he kept moving.
These guys did these little punches to keep these fucking, like a pack rat's all trying to get me,
understand?
And everybody's like, bing, boom, boom.
So I'm in the middle of this.
Long story short, I think my friend went to cut him and clipped his shoulder off.
It was me, I don't remember.
My friend gets confused about it, but I know what happened after this.
So I chased him down a little bit.
Now he's on the runway.
I'll tell you why.
He's a tough kid, but he's not, as we're moving around and he sees the blood.
And I went like to say, you're going to die today, you motherfucker.
I got in his head.
He started thinking he's going to die, I guess, because he's like,
what's up.
Because I meant that I didn't give a fuck.
At the time, I'm not like to say.
now if I went into that place and one guy a man knows and he's looking another man in the eye
if you had half a fucking brain this guy's gonna kill me if i don't do something and that's why
riddick bull took him out in that fucker you ever see the footage of manit contrar hazel's contrar's
a rig ball really well puts him down quick but you see how much of a monster the kid is but anyway
he almost need me so i'm trying to get to the bucket where the knife is right it's in the sand
bucket i go to get it he grabs my head foo oh my god that fucking knee foo right just
I can't you. He was frustrating the hell out of me.
I get up, I swipe at him, trying to get the knife.
Nope, couldn't get it. So,
chasing them all over the handball caught. The other kid's kicking me from behind.
Here comes the fucking squad.
No, they call it cold blue.
My friend, so I chased the little one down and kept punching me in the back of the fucking head.
I chased him down, I cut his coat open.
When I did that, the big guy went over to my friend.
My friend was on top of his brother, a fucking pounder arm.
He got my friend and meet him in the fucking face.
It smashed all of this in, right?
And as soon as he did it,
It's not like you're supposed to be helping.
I said, help me the mudline, ran over and I caught him.
I opened them.
It was two razors.
I put two blades on it, you understand, for a maximum effect.
That's all I had.
I went another one up against this guy with a razor.
I just needed to get to my knife just in case.
Sure enough, it came in handy.
So what I had.
Open them up.
The guy turns out, he's afraid of his own blood is what happened, I guess.
I opened him up.
Now he's bleed all here comes the squad.
Spanish girl.
Other seals are like afraid.
I'm not going over there.
Oh, I thought I lost it.
So other seals didn't want to get involved.
They said it's nuts back then
And someone still got a bad nickname
There's this woman who didn't care about that
She didn't know what's going on
She just figures it's a fist fight
Spanish correction also
I still know I still seen it
She just retired
She grabs me
I think
I don't know
See it's small here
Sometimes the SEALs are part of the Latin kings and shit
You don't know what's going on around here
She's yelling at him in Spanish
She's telling me
I abstain, abstain, I'm fucking swinging her around
Like a little fucking
Fuck off me
I got one hair cuff on me
Soon she got the hair cuff on here
This fucking guy comes
She's gonna fucking pound me
I took care I threw her on the fucking ground
Get the fuck out
I got one cuff
I picked the thing up
Let's go
He took off
Anyway all come
Please dean
I said alright
I ain't cuffing up first
Fuck that
I would walk to segregation
Like fuck you
I ain't cuffing me
And then he fucking
Fucked me up
Why I'm handcuffed
That's what can happen
In the yard
You gotta watch out for that shit
Right
So everybody got cuffed up
And then I went last
That's a sag right
He pointed me out
Like a fucking Irish set
I'll never forget it
There is a dude
You fucking
but the tallest seen me do it anyway
so went to high security
ended up not charging me he said I don't care I'm not
gonna press charges whatever I went to high
security for a while while I was in high security
I got those dog kennels as you know
like all around he comes
at first I'm in a cage
with just Cuban who I knew a long time a very dangerous
guy he's trying to tell a Cuban in Spanish
to move on me and that guy's
well you want my friend this guy good man
you make a mistake you fuck though
you make a mistake you apologize and he did
like a man not like a coward he's like
Dean, I want to apologize for what happened.
You know, I was wrong.
He was, I learned the lesson.
He didn't do it like a coward.
He did like a man who knew he was wrong,
and he finally he fucking admitted to it.
Whether this makes sense to anybody out there
or not sometimes these things happen.
So he was all right, he went.
Years later, he came back.
He just died while my brother was here of cancer.
He shriveled up and died of cancer.
This guy was a heavyweight fighter.
But anyway, I didn't mean to take you all the way back.
I had to tell you that part.
That's one of the things that happened.
It happened right after you're sorry.
I went to high security, did a couple years.
Then I went back to Max, right?
The fuck, I got to tell you this last part, I'm in maximum security.
The day I get there, I'm in the middle of a shape, down.
So I go to my, I'm walking my cell.
I handcuff your, and to the bar sometimes in front of your cell.
Who's coming down to tear?
The fucking C.O.I assaulting.
I said, these motherfuckers, they're going to get,
and here it is four years later.
And you're coming down, they're still,
if it doesn't do nothing, nothing.
He became a very humble guy.
I don't know what I got to say because of that.
It's almost like we all survived the war together.
You got people even on the other side.
When the war is all.
But it's like, how you doing?
How you doing?
And that's what kind of what it became like, you know?
And you ended up dying a cancer, too.
The fucking people were dropping it left and right.
I don't know why.
But anyway, to fast forward, well, I don't fucking.
I left off with that.
But, oh, and I went back to, I caught the bid, the 30 years.
So I'm in high, this is an important part I want to tell.
So I got a little bit of trouble with high security for trafficking.
I'm like, you fucking getting old.
I'm in high security selling though.
You're getting over.
What are you doing me?
Fuck, you're 35.
No, at the time it was like 43.
I was a few years into the bed.
I caught it when I was 35.
I was like 42 now, like seven years.
I'm like, what the fuck?
He's going to do.
The reason why is I'm watching guys around me fucking deteriorating.
Understand?
It's scary.
You start to question.
You don't see any.
I was in sake for two years, 23 hours a day, lockdown.
You understand?
That's a fucking other guys who are in 5, 6, 7, 10, 20 years.
But two years is enough for me.
Little things are half for them.
One friend of my next thought, again, to give an example,
he's going to hear this is what you fucking asshole
I won't say his name
but he's in the vet
So every day we come on and go to say
Keep going in my fucking cell
and shaking it down
Then we would come out in this little courtyard
We were at a level
Instead of the cage is not when it's courtyard
You go to two levels right
So he thinks they're shaking his cell down
He'd say when he goes out
I don't think so
I would see it because I'm telling him
And he's the type of guy
You fucking smash the CO over that
Like stop fucking around to me
So he's like there
I said no
So this is what I have to
There's a reason why I tell you this
He's like
So I said
Let's see tomorrow
I go out
I watched. They didn't go in this. I said, they, don't tell me. I said, why do you think they shook you down?
He said, they keep moving my fan. I said, it's your fan. Where is it? So my desk. Is it on? Yeah, is it on high?
Your fucking fan is jumping down, you fucking. But that's what that place does there.
Didn't we move your fan? It's moving on its own. Oh, what the fuck? You was fucking fucking. And that's the shit.
There was one guy who tap on your fucking wall and seg for weeks.
first you get to know you and tell you a few things you might tell him a few things about
yourself my grandmother died my wife that's why your wife left you fucking scumbaggar
would tap on your fucking wall every waking moment that he could he would take you into a dark
place you gotta you gotta be careful right so that was going on one guy's an event it's me and
your wife why'd you kill me he's telling the fuck guys are sticking shit people are going
fucking nuts right i'm like what the fuck am i so let me try artwork i was like a fucking little kid
That didn't work.
So one day,
I just kids said, write some stories.
So I had this kid.
He's like a hardened killer in the cell next to me.
And I wrote this story about,
every time I bring the fire up,
something comes home and it's the weirdest thing.
So I wrote the story about the fire bombers.
And the fucking kid was so impressed.
He's like, Dean, you got to keep writing.
You don't understand.
You move me with that story.
And every time I even think about it,
get an emotion, the weirdest thing.
Probably because my whole family almost go whack, probably.
I don't know.
That story is what kicked.
Then I wrote the other one, there's a couple I always stick to.
The fire, I forget what the other one is now.
Probably when I got waved out or something, whatever it was.
A couple of significant things.
But anyway, that's what kicking you off.
And then I started realizing the therapeutic value of writing.
So that led me to wanting to take a college course to get better at writing.
So I took a Brown University college course that was available.
And that led me to want to get more than me.
I started getting the conference.
At first, I didn't have the conference to go to college.
I didn't think I had it in me.
I didn't realize my level of intelligence was I had that ability.
Not that was super smart, but I realized within myself I have an ability to go to college.
If you don't know any of stuff, you're a little intimidated by it.
So I ended up getting an associate's degree, right?
And I started like getting civilized.
I started trying to do it.
And then I asked them in maximum screening to give me a chance to talk to the kids.
And at first, my agenda to talk to the kids was just, I want to, you know, show the probe what I'm doing something.
I didn't give a fuck, right?
High school kids, middle school kids, college kids,
and sometimes civilians, right, giving speeches.
And that really had an impact on me.
It got twisted on me, like, in other words,
it affected me in a good way, right?
I was like, wow.
So this is, like, my journey to getting civilized.
The funny thing is, I could be writing about,
let's say, a pregnant woman, which I know not about.
And you're in the cell next to me,
and your sister's pregnant, right?
And let me ask a question on the phone, right?
Come on, man, I'm trying to run.
Hey, in your third trimester.
So the weird thing is you get to know people
and know things by writing about.
characters. The characters almost become real. It's the weirdest thing how it takes you down that
journey, right? And that's kind of what kept me out of trouble. I started writing. I started
talking to kids. I finally made it to a meeting. They let me in a dog program. I got a barber's license
which I don't even use, but I wanted to do it to get myself to see if I could do it, be honest
with you. You know, I had a few accomplishments along the way. I'm even in a bachelor's degree
program now, but I just don't really have the time to go. There's one of two other things
in the air I was able to accomplish. But the writing, I actually have part two to the book I
have now. Actually, I'm plugging the book now. Is that okay?
Oh, well, of course. What is the name of the book? So, the book is dark impressions, right?
I want to tell you about this book. This book here, I was in segregation and maximum security
when it came out. I don't know why I can't get it right. Right. I'm going to tell you about
this ugly cover, actually. Dark Impressions by Dean Wokes and written in a maximum security cell,
okay? I want to tell you about a little bit. So I'm in National Security about 12 years ago. I
started writing this, right? I had to buy books.
to learn how to write about books.
I'm not just great writer, but apparently I got something in there that attracts people, right?
But, so it took me four times.
And first, I had to learn how many words.
I had to keep it around 80, 60 to 80,000 words.
If you overdo it, that's too much, blah, blah, blah.
I had to learn a lot about writing.
But anyway, while everyone's screaming and how I'm not about sports and talking shit,
I mean, I'm in that fucking cell.
I became like a fucking animal.
Toolden, I'm in my, I'm walking, oh, yeah, I'm going to get to this chapter, right?
People are like, what the fuck is that this guy?
It just consumes you, right?
And so I bought a few books and learned how to write and took the college courses like I told you.
And that just led to me opening expand in my mind, right?
And I did a couple of other things I can't really think of.
They don't seem significant on the surface.
But for a guy like me and my situation, there were a couple of courses.
Here's what happened too.
So the head was called the Sunshine Program, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
did it. They fund. You have to have a certain score, certain level to get in it.
Once you get, because normally you're just to one class a year. If you get in this program,
which I did, you get like two, four, six, eight classes a year. That's a lot in prison.
So basically I got my thing. I was taking two at a time. That's really big in prison to get it done
that fast. But I had one, whatever, the contest to get in it. Then I wrote, I can't remember
for my life. I wrote a national essay up against people on
all the prisons and all the people on the street and won, like third place, I won
500 miles which went to paying for some of my classes, all right? And I want to tell you about
an essay I wrote that didn't go anywhere where I thought was worthy, Justice Department
challenged inmates all around the country to write something. You may have seen this.
To write something, they think it helped change the recidivism, right? And I thought this
was a good idea because I thought of myself.
So you probably know guys.
There's a lot of guys in the can.
They could be tough guys on the yard.
They got a reputation, but they're terrified to go to school.
And here's why they can't sit in that classroom with a bunch of, the same guy you might
have been extorting or who looks at in a certain way.
Now they become the guys almost in control because they know they're intelligent
and you take a back seat them in that classroom.
It sounds stupid, but some guys have false pride.
They're not going to let this guy who he could explain.
thought and suddenly be in charge in the classrooms.
I don't know if that makes sense to you.
Yeah.
So I happen to know that a lot of guys who want to change,
they have that energy to be an asshole in prison and be dangerous.
They're looking for a way out.
They don't really know how.
And school obviously education is the way out, but they can't do that.
They can't transform.
My brother was like that.
That's how I really know.
You have to sit in your mind.
Fuck it.
I'll go in here.
It sounds stupid, but it's a real thing.
Nobody wants to look like stupid in front of everybody else.
So I said, I wrote in an essay, why don't you try to take virtual reality?
You start these guys off in a classroom of virtual reality.
Not only got nobody else watching just an instructor and they can learn like that and they can progress like that until their confidence is built to sit into a classroom.
But I never heard back from that.
So that was my, you know, chance at some type of significant essay.
Probably that would probably require more money than they wanted to.
Yeah, right, right.
You know, that's the stuff I probably didn't know.
But, hey, you want an idea.
Here you go.
But I know that I could change certain guys who are unable to make that transformation.
Because a guy that could be an asshole has a lot of energy at doing it.
I don't know what he's the word asshole.
I mean, he's an aggressive guy.
Oh, the whole thing is harnessing the aggression.
That's all I did.
I've learned to harness my aggression, you know?
It's going to mention one thing.
Do you know who Jordan Peterson is?
he probably love his stuff he's a Canadian professor and one of the things one of the
classes he teaches what's like I think it's like a course that you can buy online anyway
is he talks about you know people will approach him and young men will approach him and people
approach him and be like how do you become successful and he's he said one of the things he says is
well one he says you know make your bed is the first he's like we wake up in the morning you know it's like
it's the first it's a start right yeah or baby steps and yeah exactly and the other thing is
one of the big things is learn how to write and people kind of laugh at that they'd laugh like oh you mean
like he'd be like no no he's like I mean like how to write an essay how to write an outline how to write
a book because if you can learn how to write you can program your brain on how to think there you go
in a long good way to put it that's right and most people can't do it most people can write a note
Hey, I go into the grocery store.
Hey, pick up this.
If you say, hey, can you write me an essay about what you do on a daily basis?
Can't do it.
Right.
And the impact of it is unbelievable.
Now I know why he's saying writing is catholic.
I get it.
No, man.
It reprograms your brain.
And it allows you.
It teaches you how to think constructively is, I think, one of the things he says.
That's right.
You could be writing about a character similar to you in the book.
And you're making change in his character's life.
like the fuck you could be doing it what the fuck you're saying the characters don't it changed my
trajectory in life i'm not saying i have a little hiccups along the way but it really did to change my
trajectory well you know what you said is the same thing with me i actually had to buy and have
several books sent into me to learn how to read those books like how to you know that's what i
it was like um and i mean that i bought the ones that were like um how to write a memoir for dummies
I'm striping books up all over the place
I mean I'm reading these books and
and they're you know they
were great you read them and then you start with an
outline and you build the outline and before you know it
you don't really need the outline anywhere
I'll still do it
but it's great and it does it reprograms you
when I was in prison
and I started doing that over that course of that
six month period to a year that
I taught myself how to write
that's when I think there was just
probably a real fundamental change
in my thinking
on, yeah. I'll tell you,
one of the significant ways
that impacted me is
prison when you're doing a lot of time
you're going young and robs you have your
identity in a way, right?
Not if you, if you were already like old
and you had a life and you go in, like your identity
kind of stays in time, I went as a kid
when already lost. So I'm winning at 16,
here I'm at fucking 42 when I start, really got no real
identity out in the world. And I wanted
the fucking identity. Like,
Attach author to it or something.
I don't know.
Something like that.
I wanted to do something.
Other than, I got, first of all,
when I first seen the word sociopath or institutionalized,
I was like, no fucking way.
That's not, because my picture could have been next to it, right?
Yeah.
That inspired me to go, and at that time,
I know everybody at what looked at me as exactly that.
Now, I'm not saying you've got to care about what everybody thinks,
but you can also glean from what they're saying.
That's what might be wrong with you.
Like, I don't know if that makes sense,
but I didn't like that words, man.
And so all that type of shit inspired me to fucking, you know, accomplish something.
Sometimes I do for the wrong reasons, but I still arrived there if that makes sense.
Yeah.
You know?
I have a friend.
I want to move in his name.
And he did, I want to say 30 years and went in when it was like 19, 20, young, did like 30, probably a little bit more than 30 years.
And one of his biggest problems now is that.
He's like, I have no interests other than prison-related interests.
I know people.
Gang.
Yeah, gang activities.
Like, it's like, all I want to watch, all I think about, all I, wow, I have no interest.
And he hates it.
Like, he hates it about himself.
And he doesn't know how to change it.
Yeah.
Wow.
I think I was stuck like that.
I have a relative was stuck like that.
I was like, that's what inspired me to change.
I'm like, I'm not going to be like that.
standing around talking the same old bullshit.
The fuck, no way.
That's scary.
But I don't want to, um, I don't want to fucking, you know,
I understand that poor gentleman situation.
I need to acknowledge that too, that he's stuck, you know,
and I get it.
Thank God I had the ability to get it.
I'm not saying I'm completely afraid.
I'm fucking still got issues going on,
but I have a good work ethic.
I can conduct myself in a conversation on it.
You've got to just learn some simple things,
and you can fake your way to the rest until you get there.
If you keep doing it over and over, you'll just, you'll arrive at some point.
But you've got to start somewhere.
Maybe he's got to get away from any element he's around, something like that.
I don't know, man.
Oh, gosh.
God.
I see guys in the stores and ties.
What the fuck?
A guy in a restaurant.
I was in a kid.
You're all proud.
Come on, knock it off.
Way on my fucking girl, what are you doing?
I don't like that shit.
But, you know, I've got a lot of relatives.
One who's here now, like, these people are fucking civilized.
And what's the way I'm looking for?
They're like, well, adjusted.
you know I'm not going to come on and look at what they expected and they got something different
which I'm sure they're proud of right you know when you hear the story then you meet me like
Wayne this game exactly what we thought you're like running around with a fucking what a fucking
butcher knife all day I don't know so I like to try to I'm just trying to shake that that title
off that image off and I am able to do that once I meet you and talk to you you know that's
it's a big thing learning how I even conduct the conversation you know
I'm going to tell you the biggest thing I've learned about doing time.
The biggest thing is emotional intelligence.
For those days, they're not familiar with it.
That's when you're misdirected anger.
You're getting mad or something.
You're blaming on somebody else.
What happens is in prison, you don't really have real life experiences.
People are going to weddings.
They're going to funerals.
People are dying.
You don't grow with that shit.
It's happening all the world, but it ain't happen too.
Like you're growing up as a kid.
So there's no emotional growth.
And that's like emotional intelligence.
So now you're used to being in prisoning.
John pissed you off,
so you're going to fucking smack Tony in the fucking face
because you're going to be bad.
That's all a misdirect.
That's all emotional intelligence shit.
You got to learn to control your emotions.
That's a big one, right?
A lot of guys on the can,
there's no emotional growth.
They get out, and they don't emotionally know how to respond to stuff.
Somebody died.
Even when I first got out, I could be close to you.
Hey, my mother died.
I get all fucked up.
Like, what am I supposed to do?
I don't know what the fuck to say.
Really, I'm supposed to know what to say.
And I don't like saying generic stuff
I'm so sorry for your loss
I can't fucking stand that
I hate to say that
I know people mean well
I hate generic talk
You're saying whatever else is going to say
And I shut up
I wouldn't say that to people
I don't hate that
But I just don't like generic
I'd rather
I'll wait, give a guy a time
And then go see him
whenever everybody's done
With your generic bullshit
Say everybody else goodbye then
Honey let's go to dinner
You don't fuck I know that fake shit right
I'll be like
Listen man I can imagine what you're going through
It was just weird
I have a different approach
to that stuff, you know, but in the early days, when I got out, I didn't know how to respond
to any of that stuff.
Somebody died in your feeling, okay, I got to get out of you.
I don't know what this is a fucking asshole, but that's because I didn't know.
I don't know emotionally how to respond to things.
So prison fucked you up.
I did 38 years for you caught the last year I just did that one year.
It's a lot of, I did my whole life in there.
I just can't believe it when I look from the outside.
But I also am grateful that I can conduct myself.
I've been, you know, I'm doing all right as far as.
Ackling back to the world and how to use my phone
I got a bank account all this stuff
It's like going to NASA for me
But I gotta say I've been on right
I'm struggling
You know I'm getting over my head with bills and shit
I don't know how to
You know
Spend properly
See how's that word you said
Budget your money
Yeah yeah sure like that all there you know
And uh but I have good people around me
I've been very fortunate man
You know and they come from nowhere
You know
Sometimes it's never a person you expect you know
Like the guy who's got me, he started here
I'm gonna just give Ryan a shout out
My niece's husband
This is a kid who believes in me
Other people, because I fell down
A couple of times, they don't get it
Yeah, I came when I was unpro
Under a lot of stress
And some powder
I fell down, went back
Oh my God, he's going
Are you out of your fucking mind?
I was shooting guys and robbing banks
All right, I slipped for taking Aces
This is mine or fall
I know it's bad
But listen
This is me tripping along the way
I'm trying to get there
So I fell down it because of everyone
Massive improvement.
Yeah, a massive improvement.
He's going to, yeah, yeah, fucking, man.
Phel in the UK is a massive improvement compared to the robbery.
And they don't get it.
But this kid gets it.
Ryan's like, all right, he fell down, but I know what he's got in him.
He believes in me, right?
And I get a couple people believing me, and they get behind me, and they push.
While other people kind of give up, they don't want to say it.
They can't let me know I say it, but, yeah, it kind of, you know,
that it wasn't with me all the way.
But I got a couple of family members that have been with me from the beginning.
But they're, even they're a little hesitant because I fall.
down. Hey, listen, like you said, there's still an improvement. You can tell if you know anything
about me, my strengths, when I've overcome, I'm really trying to get this done. I'm trying
to make something of this. I've got no fucking choice. I got to do something different. I got
our job, but just the job won't cut it. I got to come up with something a little more. Another job
or something, you know, but, you know, I don't know if I wrap that story up. Yeah, yeah, you're good.
we're good um do you want so what what of what social media uh platforms do you have is it
well you know like youtube do you have youtube i'm on youtube i've youtube channel which uh someone
more or less manages when we know nothing about it right they helped me with it and my niece
just put me on ticot like a week ago and all of a sudden all these people got interested right
and uh they're telling me now no really all i did all this to plug the book which is really
what this is. No, of course it feels good. I have that small part of me that tries to get back
in his own way. But at the end of the day, I ain't got to be a phone. I am trying to plug my book.
I got money to make here. A lot of hard work, right? So, but things are starting to happen along the way.
And so for those of you that haven't seen this book yet, there are any of these dark impressions.
I wrote this thing in the can all in the hole. I was so ignorant to this stuff. Look at me.
I can't even find my way. So I wrote this book in present, dark impressions.
Right? I don't know if I told you. So, I'm in segregation.
Oh, yeah, I wanted to finish telling you about their cover.
I'm in segregation. Did I tell you that I was in segregation? The CEO lets me see it on the computer.
Right? I'm in segregation. I'm in a hole for something. I wrote the book. I sent it to some woman.
That's a whole other story. This woman I met, I had to find someone else because I couldn't have a routing number in prison.
You can't put on Amazon on a routing number. So I found this woman I wanted to help me at it, right?
She helps me
We're going back and far from sending her the manuscript
This fucking cycle starts thinking of books hers
Right, get out, she's selling them on the side
That's a whole other fucking issue
I was so fucking, she's in another state
Trying to fucking putting her title on my book
Unbelievable story, right?
Meanwhile, I was in Seg, with Dason
And I'm walking by with handcuffs, sorry, I said to seal
Didn't you ever see if my book's up?
And he goes, come here, he shows it to me
And there it is online, I got all excited
I went back to myself
It was my first moment of crossing over into doing something, you know, and significant.
I got through that segregation bid with a fucking smile.
I just feel like I accomplished something.
I can accomplish anything now.
That whole mentality is what is what, you know, I got inspired, let's say, right?
I never looked back to him.
I got in trouble along the way he still sold how long as I need to make ends meet.
I had to pay for the people to, you know, help me with the book and stuff.
But I kept writing and writing and it just kept me out of trouble, you know.
but you know you can't quit your day job writing either you know
here it is years later I kind of set the book down I got part two sitting at home
lethal ties it's the same character the protagonist you follow him
as he now becomes disillusioned with the life right and the difficulties of
detaching yourself from the life right and I wrote my autobiography which is just
said these things have been collecting dust I've now been inspired to go back at it
because they sat like I told you he sat me down for a year you know
I had some other issues going on
and ended up getting, I was in the middle of divorce.
I'm still in a struggle, don't get me wrong.
You know, I'm working. I work pretty hard.
I'll tell you what, I got to give these two guys a shout that help me
because it comes from nowhere.
So, for one, I needed a car,
obviously, to get to work. I scraped up $1,000 of a friend.
I needed $2,000 to get this car to this car lot.
And these guys bent over backwards at Richmond Motors for me, right?
And I wanted to give them a shout out from North Main Street.
These guys helped me out big,
They bent over and made it.
So they got all the places in Rhode Island.
I won't say the name there.
But they're like loan sharks compared to these guys.
These guys made it possible for me.
The ex-con with my difficulty to get out.
And I got myself in 2016 Ultima, but hey, it gets me back and forth to work.
So those two guys down there, they help, they, oh, she sounds to the names allude me now.
But anyway, they help me out at Richmond Motors.
So if you're in this area, and you've got an issue with that, you'll make sure you check out of Richmond Motors.
And my other thing is the guy I worked for.
This guy held my job for a year.
This is how much this guy.
And they don't really need me there.
He just wants to make sure they keep on the right track.
So I work at this heat treating plant.
It hasn't been, that's in heat treatment.
And of course, they gave me a way to describe what I do.
I treat metals.
I don't even have the professional way to say it.
But I'm still, I'm not a metalurgist or nothing,
but we do treat metals and alloys for various companies.
It could be clips for guns, hospital implement,
and you change it by making an amenable,
softening it and all this other stuff, right?
Sometimes it's too brittle.
So I'm still learning that game.
But my boss held my job for me.
He did one hell of a job.
Mike, Mike Proposa.
And the two guys at the Conlon,
I don't want to waste a lot of time on us,
but they did so well by me.
At Richard Mose, I got Mike and Mark.
You look, those two up.
I just, I really appreciate all you.
So it's pretty good that you need those guys in your,
life if you're me. You get out of the can, most people, this guy was in a can. Get rid of this
fucking guy. Not these guys. They recognize sometimes
in a guy like me, just because I committed, really, I'm a guy
with a work ethic. If I can go rob banks and get up and do all this other shit,
that means I have a work ethic. It's just a matter of twisting it around. Some people
recognize that. What you're going to say? You just have to redirect it.
Redirect it. Harden said redirected, right? And the same thing with the anger, right?
I think I come to look at an author.
He said, by his feelings he passed away.
They killed his parents.
Victor Frankl, you familiar with him, some of his quotes?
Yes.
Yeah.
So I'm making it, making your pain, whatever.
I forget it's something now.
But I remember reading that, and it made sense to me, you know?
It's about taking all that negative energy and twisting it, you know?
Don't walk around, oh, my God, my life.
No, fuck you.
I take that energy and it propels me.
I don't always get it right.
Sometimes I slip off the track when I'm doing it.
But I keep getting my strong point is I can get back up
That's my thing
I get back up when I fall there
I definitely fell a few times
I've got to fall along
There's no way you're going to walk out of
You're going to walk away from 38 years and you can
And just some guys do maybe
I don't know how they do it
But a lot of guys are going to fall down with this
Sometimes a lot of guys slip into drugs
They want to fucking medicate the whole thing
Right
I had my moments with that
Medicaid and the issue right
I never was a bad bad on drugs
But boy I was abusing it caused me trouble
You know
too much powder.
Too much this, too much of that.
And I've gotten dirty urine and it sat me down for that shit.
So I'm getting there.
I'm acclimating.
I've come a long way and thank God for the support I got.
I don't know if I finished talking about Ryan, my niece's husband,
but this kid came out of nowhere.
It's like, you got something there.
We're going to fucking make this happen.
And this was like two fucking weeks ago.
Here I'm sitting in front of you.
This fucking generated happen.
I don't really tell the guys that like this.
They're pretty good at it, but you don't really get nothing done.
This guy doesn't waste no time.
He's all action.
So shout out to my boy, Ryan.
I've got me in the studio.
Excuse me.
Let's end it with that.
Okay.
So my editor will probably leave it with that.
Okay.
Give me one second.
Give me one second.
And I'm going to do a, I'm going to wrap it up.
So hold on.
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