Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Bank Robber Roasts Wannabe Criminals Beanshooter69

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

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Jesus. The extortion scale. This guy, it's a $45,000 book deal. He's just a complete fraudulent. I said, see that helicopter? It's following me. We go on the roof, kick out the men. into the store, jump down, let me in the back. And when they hand you the change, you'd cuff the $10 bill and say, you only gave me change for a tent. Basically a slight-a-hand scam. Bro, you're a horrible human being. I was born in Lowell, Massachusetts, right outside of Boston. My mother had primary custody, and it was good for a few years. And then, you know, maybe in sixth grade, I started getting in trouble legally.

And I bounced back and forth between my parents. And eventually, she signed me over to the state. Whoa. How much trouble were you getting into? What's the trouble? What do you mean? Basically, you know, breaking in cars, stealing bikes, breaking in high. houses at a young age.

Right. And that was the trouble I first started getting into and, you know, drinking and drugs at a young age. When you say she signed you over, did you go into like foster care? Yeah, yeah, foster care. And I wouldn't stay in a foster home, so I'd take off. And then I'd get locked up in D.YS. And I was committed to the Department of Youth Services until I was 18.

There was a detective from Lowell, Jeff Richardson. And I remember he arrested me once. And he said, I think I was stealing a bike. And he said, you know, Mike, you're the other guy I arrest for, for Robin Banks, you know, 10 years from now. And, you know, if you're out there, Detective Richardson, if you're still around, I just want to say, that was a lucky guess. Yeah.

You know, that was a lucky guest. But I remember also he said to me, you know, when I get a call, somebody stealing a bike, you know, running out of a store with a candy bar and, you know, a whiffle ball bat, you know, and it says he's four foot and nothing and red hair and freckles, you know, you're at the top of the list, you know. Maybe you should think of a different career path, you know, if I can be. in a criminal with our red hair. So, yeah, it was just a lot of typical stuff, you know, juvenile stuff, you know,

then getting into stealing cars. And when I was 14, 15, there was a kid in my neighborhood who taught me this move. And like a Cumberland Farms, they'd have a drop safe, which has like a combination thing. And then like this bar, you pull up and they put the money in it, it pushes it down. Right. Into the safe. We wait towards the end of the week. We go on the roof.

This one store, we got like three or four times. And I'm 14, 15. We go on the roof. We'd open up the vent. My friend would crawl down through the vent. I used to have to give him some old dirty sweater because it's all lint in those vents. He'd come out, kick out the vent into the store, jump down, let me in the back door. And we're so little.

We used to take coat hangers. Sometimes we use spatulas. We put tape around it backwards and stick it down into the drop slot and, like, you know, dig the money up. We've been in the store for like an hour. We, you know, 14 years old. I was at like some school dance carnival and we got wads of money, five, tens. We're like, you know, buying, you know, we got arrested in about, you know, two days for that one. But it was always, it was always, you know, something, learning other things, whether it was drug trafficking, whether it was doing the safes.

No matter what it was, I was willing to give it a try. If I could make some money. So at a young age, I got, I got familiar with, um, We're losing my freedom for periods of time. Right. And then so when you eventually you're 18, like what did you, you got a regular job and then. And now you're on the podcast here. So let's go.

I've been an accountant for 35 years. Yeah. So at age, I remember, you know, getting chased around by detectives when I was young. And I had actually escaped from a DYS facility when I was 17. and I stole a car and I was driving down this one-way street and I was drunk and there was a police car on the middle of the street facing me. And I actually went to slam on the brakes and I took my foot off the gas and just when I put my foot down, I hit the gas pedal again. So it just like, you know, it was coast and then I took off and I hit the police car head on. And that was my first adult arrest at age 17.

And that kind of wiped out my juvenile papers because now I'm in adult court and I get out on bail. And two weeks later, I broke in a car and two guys caught me in the car. And when I get out, I went like I was going to run and I spun around and I hit one of them. I had a heavy pair of plies in my hand. And I heard him pretty bad. And I got arrested for that. And then they locked me up in the adult system. Was that charge light?

Did that, you know, make it like carjacking or was it just burglary? No, just burglary. It was breaking that drink and then assault and battery with dangerous. up in pliers, actually. How much time do you get for that? Six months, but it was good in a way. I mean, going to adult jail wasn't bad because it wiped out all my DYS paperwork. But at the time, I didn't realize, you know, now I have an adult record.

I'm only seven. I was the youngest inmate in the jail at the time. And, you know, when I first went in there, you know, it's like, you know, you look back when you see yourself when you're 17, you know, I probably look like I was 12 now. Right. You know, and I remember one day I was in, I was in state prison that were taking me to court. And I was in the holding cell and I'm just standing there by the bars and I see the juvenile kids come in. And I see the transpo guy put his hand under the kid's armpits and sit him up on a table like this to put the shackles on.

And I remember them doing that to me. You know, I remember looking at this kid and he looked like he was 10. Right. And I'm like, wow, that was me. That was me as a little kid. And at the time, like, I'm 14, 15. and I box a little. I'm fighting in the silver mittens. I'm running around the time you think you're like.

A tough guy. Yeah, a tough guy or a man. You know, you think you're in all reality, you know, you're just a child. Right. You know, and when I saw him putting the chains on a little kid, I'm like, wow, you know, here we on. I'm still going through it. It's, you know, it was just one of those moments. Like, what the fuck is this going to be it? The rest of my life, just in and out of this system.

You know, you know how it is. It's not. It was just saying it for a long time. It was. Like, that didn't. That didn't snap you in any thing, though. That didn't snap you out of it and say, hey, I'm going to go get a regular job. No, I've never, I never had a regular job.

So after my first incarceration, when I was 17 years old, and I got out when I was 18. And I, the crack thing thing was just, like, you know, really, really taken off. And at first, I used to get out in New York City. Even the crack pain epidemic. He says it's taken off, like, you was gangbuck. They're like, nice, right? You might think they refer to it as the epidemic? Yeah, that whole thing.

So it was very profitable at the time. And, you know, the money was just, the money was rolling in. And I had a close friend of mine who was selling a lot of marijuana at the time. Greg Smith. Shout out, Greg Smith. He'll be like, oh, nice. Greg, you still owe me $5,000. We'll talk about that in a minute.

CPA. He's put all this behind him. So Greg, actually, his father moved out to San Diego, and he lived in San Diego. So he went down there and, you know, being a young entrepreneur like myself that he was, he realized the marijuana down there. And back then it was just that Mexican brick weed were like a sense, like around October, November, the real good would come out. But there was such trash then.

The kids today would never, you know, you know, if anyone knows about the Mexican brick weed. But he'd get that down there for whatever it was, you know, 400 of pounds, selling for 1,200, 200 back here. And he'd come back and he started UPS and it back. We were making a lot of money. And I'd grab, you know, 20 pounds of whitt off him. And I ended up meeting one of his connects at the time Mexican National would come down. And I'd meet him and we'd go out.

And then one night he was asking me how much I pay for a kilo. And, you know, he can get it. to me cheaper. So I started talking, but I didn't, I was like, I don't want to step on Greg's toes at the time. And then Greg got arrested one time and he got locked up. And this guy called me up. He's like, hey, you know, I'm in town. And Greg, Greg got locked up. I got 20 of these. Can you help me get rid of them? And I'm like, well, it's kind of a lot. Like I'm selling maybe, you know, half a key, you know, a week, you know, 20. I go, it's going to take me all the time. And he's like, no, no, I got the green. I got the green. So I'm like, oh, yeah.

I could sell 20 pounds in a second. Right. So I went and met him, and he was just sitting on a wall and like a bad neighborhood and Lowell with a trash bag next home. I'm like, no clue where he was. And I'm just laughing. I pull up and I throw him in my car and I started dealing with him. And then, but I worried about UPS and, you know, kilos across, you know, through the mail. I was always worried. But when I get on to San Diego, I'd go back with the money, meet him in L.A. of San Diego and they'd wrap it up.

And UPS it back. And I'd take a train back with the money all the way to California. because it was it started being a lot of money to and you don't want to box that up and send it across the country you know anything could happen so i started traveling back and forth a lot back to um california and back to my area and and i i looked back and i said you know that's when all the heat come on me you know i was i was doing so good selling all this and you know just making a ton of money but when you start uPS and stuff and and i and i mean one time i went in a bar and my father was bartender and he goes, you come in this bar and everyone knows you don't work. You're driving a brand

new Lincoln Continental. You come in, you know, you throw 200 bucks on the bar and set up the whole bar. He's like, there's six cops in here drinking. Right. He goes, you know, they hate you. You know, he's like, you're an idiot, you know. And I remember he said, what are you going to do when this, you know, a little fairy tale comes to an end? And I said, go to prison. What the fuck you think? I'm going to do this. The same thing that happens every time. And I, I did that for a while, you know a few years and eventually somebody got arrested signing for a package you know we'd um at the time when when you'd mail an overnight year package uPS or fedex from california you know we'd go into like a public library and go in the tracking system and see it and you could see um i forget

it's been so long but one of them was like louisville kentucky maybe that was fedex's main port But, and I think UPSs was like Nashville, Tennessee, was like, if you sent the package, even if you sent the package of an idea from here to the guy across the street, it would go to, you know, like Knoxville, Tennessee to the main port, and then it would get shipped out from there. So I'd always, you know, go online and look and you could see it scanned, scanned, scanned, scan. And then you'd see, like, after Tennessee, unavailable, unavailable. Then a couple days later, they're at your door. Yeah.

You know, you know, hello, trying to deliver it. I know like, yeah, yeah. What? I didn't order that. Not me. What's that? Who? We'd use fake address and everything else.

But I thought I was, I was, you know, I knew. Like, I'd know if a package went bad. You know, but a lot of times they'd get it right away. Like if somebody in the UPS store in California said, hey, something's wrong, you know, with this, these guys walking in looking like this set out of the movie, colors, sending a box overnight here to Boston. So eventually somebody I know got caught, you know, accepting a package and signed. for it and they they wore a wire on me and no can you believe that that's not say no no i'm serious really yeah no it happened oh it happened what about the code yeah he didn't he didn't live

live by said code so so he wore a wire on me and um and i ended up i remember a couple of houses right before a couple houses i had got got raided i didn't own just like gun apartment this and that. A couple days before, I just, I sensed them something was wrong and I picked up two of my friends both no longer with us. And my other friend, Greg Smith, who I

mentioned from San Diego, was at a bar drinking and I picked up these two friends of mine and I had like a white I rock Z-28 with the T-tops and I could see a helicopter up in the sky and I said, see that helicopter? I said, it's following me. Did you really think it was following? You were joking? No, I just kind of looking around, but I saw it. I saw it a couple times

that day. So now I'm driving, I'm driving, and I tell people, it's not like Goodfellas, where it's like 20 feet over your head, like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, fall in you. I mean, it's up there. Yeah. So I'm driving, I'm driving, and they're looking now, you know, smoking a bomb. I look at the helicopter's been around, you know, for last hour. So now I go along, there's like a highway next to a river, and I'm driving, and you can just see it, you know, up to the right, you know.

So I take this left, it's a street, bridge street that goes all the way in New Hampshire. So when I take the left, like, now it's, it's like, it's like, it's like, you know, you know, still to the right of me. And it's high up. And I'm like, wait a minute, this thing could. It may be following us. So I get about two, three miles up the road. And there's like an apartment complex on the left.

And I pull behind it and I pull real tight to the building. So like we couldn't see the helicopter. And then boom. Then I said, oh, man, they are really following me. So I go to the bar and my friend's in there. And I don't know it, but there's DEA and Mass State Police Drug Task Force agents in this bar drinking, watching my friend, who was my co-defendant, who was about to be my co-defendant.

And I said, hey, man, bad news, dude. Why? I said, it's a helicopter following me. He was, get the fuck out of here. I go, I'm telling. He's like, you, hi, what are you doing? You know, he thought I was just, you know, fucked out being paranoid. So I said, here, I didn't know the name jacket and a baseball hat.

I said, put this on, take my car for a ride. So he goes, and I'm sitting there at the bar, half a hour later, he comes back in. He goes, I don't know what you did, man. You're fucked. I go, what did you do? He goes, I took him to the rotary. You know what a rotary is?

You guys call it like a roundabout. Massachusetts, they call it a rotary. Right, okay. We call a rotor. He goes, I took him to the rotary at Trump Hill, and I just drove around the rotary for 15 minutes. So now they know. Yeah.

They know we know. Yeah. Right. And they're just like, all right. You know what I mean? So, you know, basically let them know, like we know. You follow me. And then I'm getting real paranoid.

And I walk out of this bar, and they actually tore this bar on now. There's like a bowling alley on the other end of the park lot. And there's like a, Ford F-250 with two guys in it with sunglasses, just facing the door of this bar. So now I come out, I give them the finger, and they're looking right at me, and I'm just like, if that's like me or you, you're going to come over and you're going to say, hey, buddy, yeah, it's your problem. And they're just sitting there staring at me.

I'm like, oh, man. I was really hoping to get into a fight right now. This is not good right now. So a couple days later, you know, they raided a house, and I didn't know what they were raiding house was looking for me, and they raided my, um, my, um, my, um, my kid's mother at the time. And she called me and my son was at my aunt's house. Oh, and I mentioned earlier when the pharmacies, the bank robberies, they were questioning her.

We were talking about in the kitchen. I went over her house because she was babysitting my son and she has like a hairdressing salon in the house downstairs. And my ex calls me up and she goes, oh, you know, Ryan's thinking you need some, you know, children's tile and all. And it was a ruse. Yeah. You know, they were probably 13 and were probably in the kitchen saying, hey, call them. Yeah. Tell them to go somewhere.

So I go over my aunt's house and I walk in, he's watching TV, and all of a sudden I just hear a bo, blah, boom, like 12 car doors shutting. I'm like, uh-oh. And I walked outside and they just, you know, bundled me, guns out, guns to the head, slam me down on the ground. Where's the weapon? You know, they just use that so they can bounce your head off the pavement. And I remember they cuffed me and they, two of them, two big, like Stadies, put their arm in there and pick me up. and the state police got pulled up, and they ran with me.

My feet were like dragging. These guys are big. I remember looking and there was like a guy from like the electric company, like reading the needle, like punching in the thing like this. And he's kind of like in the middle of this whole scene. And then boom, we get in. It was just a caravan of cows. Like, gone, you know?

And I remember driving away thinking, wow, that guy just said, he got something to talk about dinner at dinner tonight, you know? I just watched something get kidnapped. Yeah. Yeah. Gone. And I remember I was driving to the police station. And I've been known to get a little multi.

We're not. With authority figure sometimes. And I says, I go, you've got nothing. And he said, oh, really? I said, yeah, you got nothing. And I knew they raided my father's. I knew what houses they were hitting. And he said, how's 18 Oriole Drive sound?

And then he said another address. How's there and I lily have sound? And these were addresses I used to send a lot of packages. Right. So I'm like, now, no. Crickets. Not so cocky. Crickets now.

He's like, yeah, you don't get a lot to say now, do you? I want to talk to tenacious daily. Yeah. So I says, what was I saying? I said, how'd you know I was at my aunt's house? And he said, good old-fashioned police work. And I said, she ratted me out. Good old fellow.

He's a gumshoe. You know what I mean? You go, fuck you. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You told you. Now I knew I'm putting it all together. I'm like, that bitch.

You know, and I'll never forget. I don't even know what it meant at the time, he says, but I'll tell you this. You detected aerial surveillance within the first 10 minutes. And he said, you can take some solace in that fact. And I'm like, solace, what the fuck's that mean? You know what I mean? It's not a word we throw around too often in the neighborhood. So they wrap me up for that.

And I got arrested. It was the feds, state, and local. I had 13 co-defendants basically all cooperated against me. No. Listen, once again, stop it. Listen, I can get paperwork to approve this. It happens. I have never.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. So they take me out of the holding cell, and they still hadn't arrested a co-defendant of mine, his name. We call them Bobby the Brain. And he still haven't gotten Bobby the Brain. And then he says, everybody's falling all over themselves, pointing the finger at you. And he said, whiz, and he said two Mexicans named, I know. And one of them, Lewis just caught a case. And he was in San Diego County jail for like two days.

He was just bailed out. They were asking me where he wasn't. Like, wow, I didn't know where the fuck he is. And right at that time, you know, during the pages, I got a page. And the other one would go to this hotel in Boston, the 57. And it's no longer there. Howard Johnson's 57 downtown. And he just texted me the room number.

And I go there, you know, with the money and everything. And the page is going off. And I'm like, yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. and they, you know, you should really help yourself right now because everyone's pointing the finger at you. I said, you know, I said, I'm all set. And, you know, I went back to my cell and they charged me trafficking over 100 pounds and conspiracy to traffic. Back to my. I would have finished that with, went back to myself and cried like a small child.

So, yeah, and the worst thing was is it was, they took us all to court. It was on a Friday and it was a long weekend. we get to court and the lawyer comes down he goes hey listen to you guys i go what do you mean he goes well court house closes at four o'clock it's 3 30 they just took you all here they said they forgot your paperwork at the police station all right he's like judges going home i'm like get the fuck he's like oh don't worry you know it's only a case they're gonna they'll set a little bail you can bail out from the police station so there's 13 of us just to look for one so there's like 12 of us and they come in and they says um you know listen up and they're seeing the bales and they're like you know

50 bucks, 50 bucks, and they get to me at the end. And Greg, and I'm like, 50,000 cash. And I was like, oh, just deflated, you know, like, I'm hit with this one. And that was trafficking over 100 pounds, conspiracy to traffic and all that, all that jazz. So I did a, I did a bit on that one. And then. How much time? Three years.

Was the same lawyer? Did you have the same day late? No, I had a shit lawyer. shit lawyer. Stanley Norkunis, you're a bum. You are a bum. Guy wouldn't even return my calls, you know? And then, yeah, he wouldn't even send me the paperwork. I found out, you know, so much shit with that case.

Everyone just hung me out to dry. But the good thing was I actually got on a bail after I had to do like, I owed six months to county. And after I did the six months, I got a bail. And I got out on bail and I started dealing with my connection again, getting some, I got some coke and I got some. And now here's where the drugs started. What was that? That wasn't drugs?

No, using drugs. Oh, okay. I was going to say. My father's, you finally get caught up in your own web. So I start because I'm, you know, now I'm on bail. I know going back. Your dad sounds like a character. Yeah.

Yeah, finally get caught up in your own web. So I started around, you know, sniffing a little dope here. there and, you know, I was, I had a lot going on at the time, you know, knowing I was going away. And, and now, you know, these guys would send me whatever I want, you know, they're in Tijuana, and they start sending me stuff, and now I'm squandering the money, you know. I'm coming up short, covered up short. Finally, I just have them send me 50 pounds and I just mush them, you know. So I went on a, you know, a legendary run there before I had to go away.

And after I spent all that money and then I, yeah, I did a lot. I burned some people that were buying up. I just, you know, I was on a, I was on a crashing, crashing burn. And towards the end, I, I mean, I always lived good, you know. And now I'm like strung out on junk. I'm driving like some stolen car and I'm like running out of Walmart with a, With uh at the time

At the time They what was it the uh Was it PlayStation's right now maybe so Xbox or Sony So uh genesis Sega Genesis maybe So I'm good the Walmart first started coming around And I'm going at Walmart with a carriage And I just load up the carriage with you know laptops and computers and whatever like

It was around Christmas and that was a big thing then it was I think it was Nintendo 64 You ever hear of that? Yeah it's probably uh that was probably what like the 90s Yes I gotta say 95 95. I'm going to say 94, 95. My memory serves me correctly. And, yeah, I remember I'm strung out. I got these Mexicans going around looking for me, you know, because I owe them a lot of money and other people.

And I'm out, and I'm like, this is really bad at this stage of the game, you know. And I ended up copping out, yeah, out of like three years on that one. And when I got out, back to business. First order of business, start making some money. So I did something with a couple of friends of mine, my friend Spiro I mentioned earlier. And I started doing the way again with him. He had a connection in California. So he's like, I'll cut you're in.

There was three of us. We put our money in three ways. we get a package. I start making money again. And now I thought, you know, I thought the drugs before I went away, because I was never, I always sold drugs. I wasn't like a junkie, you know what I mean? So I'm like, that was just an aberration. You know, I was going to prison. I didn't care. And I was doing this and that, you know, that'll never happen again. And my friend Spiro, he's one who owns all the real estate I mentioned earlier. He's always been my friend who who called me up on shit.

Right. What the fuck are you doing? What are you? You know? know, and he started noticing, you know, that I was high. Like, what are you on? What are you doing? You nod, no, you know, I smoked a joint, you know, I'm tired, you know. And he's so, he did a couple of things without me. We had a van we'd use to get the packages and sometimes we'd break up the drugs in the back. And I get my van.

I went away to California to bring some money. And there's like this pink popcorn in the back of the van that you stuff the packages went. And we'd never use the pink popcorn. So now I grab my other friend. I go, what do you guys do? You guys doing boxes without me? He's like, yeah, you know, Spiro's worried about you. You're slipping.

You know, you know, he's sharp as they come. You start, you know, you're a liability when you're doing drugs. It's like if you were committing crimes with someone and they were whacked on. Like, hey, no, this guy's going to sink our whole ship. So he started like, so I said to him, no, I'm good, I'm good. And we did a couple more things. And I went back to California to do something. And I come back and they had gotten wrapped up by the feds.

So I'm like, oh, he's like, we got busted when you were away. And no way, he's like, dude, they got photos of you carrying boxes away from the truck, this and that. And I thought, I never got indicted by the feds. And they got indicted and they did prison time. And I remember his lawyer, see me outside the court house if they got sentenced. He goes, you better be careful. I'm like, what, I didn't get indicted. He goes, too, the fed's going to indict you three years later.

You know, it doesn't matter. And I'm like, what? And I think at the time, I was spiraling out of control again, back on the drugs. And they're probably like, yeah, this guy, he had no money. You know, the Fed's about the money. Yeah. This kid paid a $250,000 fine, you know, this and that. And I look back, I think, maybe they just saw me and I was already jumped out.

Yeah, this guy's going to be robbing 7-Eleven at a week with a squirt gun, you know. Right. And I never got wrapped up on that. But now I can't deal with them again. I'm starting to get a habit, and I'm selling drugs. And I took a plane down to San Diego, and I looked up my old Mexican's mother's house, the ones who lived in Tijuana, who I burned. I was going to say, the ones you burn?

Yes, yes. The ones I burned for the 50 pounds. And then fill it up and said, Where have you guys been? I've been trying to pay you this money. 7-22, a Squaler Street in San Diego, knocked on the door. Mother come out.

You know, where are these guys? Was Robin Lewis, Carlos. And she's like, Carlos is around. He's at the bakery. You know, Robin Lewis, they get deported there in Mexico. And so I called up Carlos, and he was, like, you know, pretty surprised to hear from me. Right.

he said, I'll meet you tonight at Sayyall's restaurant, you know, be there at 5 o'clock, whatever it was. And Junior Sale, I remember Junior Sale. He was a football player. Yeah. Yeah. So, he had a restaurant, and I went to Sayals restaurant. They're like, what's up?

And I'm like, you know, I need some work. Things are slow. I'm back. You know, I know I owe you money. I went and did three years. I stood up. You know, I know I burned you, but. I could have, yeah, I could have thrown you under the bus.

Yeah. Could have thrown you under the bus. So he's with this other one He's kind of a big one All tattoos And he's just staring at me And they're not saying much And I'm doing most of the talk

And he's like All right You know Pay the bill we left Take a ride And we get on the highway I think it's the five Whatever

And I'm like If this motherfucker Dries to drive in a Tijuana I mean I'm kicking out This back windshield I'm causing a scene You're not

Because they take you Tijuana they'll kill you Yeah There's nobody even looking into it Yeah He's Troy on the side of the road Right There's no big thing

There's no What do they call This crime scene people with the DNA? Yeah. Forensics. There's no forensic. The Mexican forensic crew,

you gotta track you down. Yeah, there's no forensic. So I'm driving. Now I'm getting nervous because they're not saying much. I owe them. He pulls off the highway. He pulls into this park. You know, like the big parks where they have like the old ones where they have

the stone house in the middle with the pool. We can go in the shower, the old bathrooms like, you know. And he starts, he goes, come on. He starts walking. And we walk in this building. And there's nobody around. And I am.

I'm really freaking out now. You know what I mean? How'd you think this was going to go? Yeah. Did you think this far in advance that how is this going to lay out? Could this go bad? And how would it go bad if it was a real role of the dice? For context, how much money was like, did you, you know, quote unquote steal from them?

Like, was it 50. You said it was 50 grand at the time. Okay. Yeah, it wasn't a ton. You know, maybe a little less. I'm like 35 or whatever it was at the time. I know. But now there's interest in penalty involved.

Yeah, I think I know them close to 50. Yeah. Lake bees, big on the late fees. Those Mexicans. Arias. We started talking about Arias. So they take me into this thing and there's nobody around. They walk in the bathroom and he says, man, I'm going to give it to you straight up,

homie. You haven't been around here a long time. Then you come around here talking about business. And now I'm like, oh my God, they think I'm wearing a wire. I go, fuck all. I go, I've been doing this for the last three years. And they get drunk like, no, no, no, okay, okay. Then they dapped me up and we're all good.

And then they started sending me work again. So I got, I went back into the, the drug game with them once again until I, you know, until I screwed that one up again. When I get back into the drugs, burn them again, which I never repaid. Oh my God. But I actually just, I burned Carlos and. him and Robert don't talk, and I actually just went and visited Robert and Tijuana. I was at his house for two days, and he's trying to come back. I'm like, can't he just walk across now?

That's what I say to him, and he's been trying to do it the right way. It's been like 10 years, and they keep saying another year and another year, and it was so tough for him because his son was going to high school in San Diego. I'm going there, and Tijuana is crossing the board as a pain, and I just probably been like two, three years, so I can visit him. I'm in his house. I'm like, is this a safe neighborhood in Tijuana? He goes, no, got to get in front of the house last night.

I'm like, all right. I'm putting all this on Snapchat. My friend's like, dude, don't go there. He's telling me his yard, it's a shoot little apartment, but his yard's all fenced in. Like dog, this and that. I go, what the fuck's going on with this? He goes, my neighbor. And I'm like, that was you, you motherfucker.

And he's just laughing. His neighbor, a lot of people, a lot of these Mexicans will live in Tijuana, drive across the border every day. like do auto body in San Diego and get $25 an hour where you'd get, you know, three bucks an hour in Mexico. Right. And then they drive back across the border at night because, you know, the apartments are meant that everything's cheaper.

So every day they cross the border. So what do these guys do? They'll tape a kilo under the car. Some poor unsuspecting prick like yourself. Some working stiff driving across the border, they follow you. Right. You don't know. You got it.

You go to, you know, you pocket Burger King, they slide up next to you. One of them rolls under the car, rips it out. So you're this unsuspecting mule. And he goes, that's why the yard's all fenced in with the dogs. He's like somebody was on. I goes, that somebody was you, you. He's just laughing. Yeah, so he's still there trying to get back across.

And we, you know, we remain friends. I actually made good a little bit on it. I did some favors for him since then. What do you mean, officer? There's a kilo tape under the body. Yeah, and you know what? They didn't charge him, this guy. When they caught his neighbor, they let him go.

They must have knew, you know what I mean? That he was a, they probably saw the travel logs. This guy's going, I don't know. I don't know what it was, but he was lucky. He was lucky. They didn't lock him up. I don't know what the fuck happened with that. You know, they'll take, I know guys that were,

they don't like, you know, an auto body shop. They own a, where they buy cars and shit, like a dealership, and they'll go bid on a car, and then they'll take the gas tank, they'll stuff it. I know. I have the old Cadillacs with the gas tank in the middle of the seat, stuffed to it. Right. She sent to me on a flat bed. But then they'll put it on a car hauler.

You know what I'm saying? That's right. Yeah. And so the guy, the truck driver who's hauling 12 cars has no clue. I got a great story about this. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead.

So when I get out one of those times, But you said you can't arrest the guy driving that truck. Like he doesn't have a clue that one of those cars is packed with 400 kilos of... Yeah. The catalogs we used to use. But one of the times I get out, they called me up. They says, hey, we're going to get a cell phone. Give me the phone number.

Don't give this number to anybody when I get the car. Don't give this number to anybody. You're going to get a phone call. That's all they say. I got arrested for something. Believe it or not. I happen to be in court. and my cell phone starts ringing.

In court. Yeah, so I jump up. You know, now you can't bring cell phones like, quote, I'm both of them. This is, you know, I jump up. I run outside, you know, the old flip cell phone answer. I go, hello. And I hear this lady. She says, hello, Mr. Rodriguez.

And I remember calling them up afterwards like, do I look like Mr. Rodriguez? There's no, there's no circumstance where I could have ended up with the last name, Rodriguez. So I said, yeah. And she says, yeah, I'm hauling your car back from California. Your friends, they tried everything to get a fix. They thought it was a transmission. And they don't tell me, and they just say, you're going to get a phone call.

You'll know what to do. So she says, well, I was in Indiana and, you know, I blew an axle or my truck. So it's going to be delayed, you know, another day. And I'm like, oh, this lady got, no, now, you know, something ain't right, right. I smell a rat. I'm like, oh, no, no, no. So I'm just like, okay, okay. So a couple days later, she calls me.

She goes, I'm about an hour out. And I says, you're going to take this exit off to Little Connector. You're going to see an Outback Steakhouse. Right across, just pulling the park lot right where you come in. I'm across from the Outback, and there's actually the fedger in this building. It's this big giant building. There's all kinds of stuff in there, right? So I call up this tow yard company, right?

And I says, hey, listen, I'm going to, I'm getting a car here, deliver him in California. I need you to pick it up and deliver it to this house for me and this and this and that. And they said, sure, what time? So I got them, I send my friend over to meet them. I get this wrecker sitting there in the park a lot. I'm in the elk back in the window, shaking like a leaf, drinking, you know, those mugs that are like 12 feet tall, like the frosted mugs. I'm chugging it. And all of a sudden I get a call, Mr. Rodriguez, you know, I'm on the low-ail connector.

I'm like, yep. Just pull off. You'll see a truck there, a flatbed. Just pull up next to them. I got my friend over there with the money. And I'm just sitting there. I'm watching and she unloads it. And the other truck loads it up with the fake gas tank in the middle of the back seat.

We're ripping that open ham is. all a fake bondo. And it just came off the truck and they loaded on the other one and he paid her and she drove away and we drove, I would have sworn. You know, I was just sitting there waiting. I'm like, these guys, these poor bastards in the tow truck. You know, a tow truck driver's, I've had beeps with over the years. So I don't think I would have lost, you know, I wouldn't have cared too much if they

hauled the both of them off. But yeah, and it came out. It came out all right. And we, we, we, oh, I thought, I mean, I was, thought you were going to. No. Nope. I thought they were going to say. Went off and out of hitch.

I was going to say, I had the tow truck, then the tow truck went and pulled up and dropped off the vehicle, left it in the police parking lot. It would have been a smooth transition. So, yeah, I did that for a while, you know, always put the drugs now, you know, the drug. When it's entered the chat. Right. You know, everything seemed to end bad, you know, with me doing drugs, hence why am I? why I'm sober now. Hey, real quick, just wanted to let you guys know that we're looking for guests for the podcast.

If you think you'd be a good guest, you know somebody. Do me a favor. You can fill out the form. The link is in our description box. Or you can just email me directly. Email is in the description box. So back to the video. After the traffic and I ended up becoming cellmates with an old friend of mine, Kevin Capasso, was no longer with us with us.

He was a credit card fraudster. And that was good. That was a real good hustle, the credit cards. What we do with the credit cards was we fly around to different states. You know, we couldn't do it around. What year was this? When was this roughly? Early 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003.

Right. We'd fly to different states and we'd be in good shape. And, you know, everything was different then. You could go in a gym and just say, I want a gym pass for the day. What's your name, you know? Yeah. Brian Harris. I'm from Pennsylvania.

I'm in town on business, and I'm thinking about moving here, and I want to try out the gym. Now they're taking pictures, and they want your ID. But back then, you didn't need any of that. And we'd go in the gym, and we used to call it, Kevin used to call it the Big Mac. You know, you'd see a guy come in with a big fat wallet in the back of his pocket, and we'd target somebody like someone like that. We'd follow someone coming, maybe somebody like you, right? You pull up in a push or whatever, and, you know, you walk in.

And we used to, like, you know, the padlock locks with the loop on it? Yeah. We have a way we can open them and lock them again. Right. And what we do is we'd stick a screwdriver through, like at an angle, through the loop. And you just pull down, put a lot of tension on it, boom, it unlocks. So we'd bring in a block of wood in a gym bag and put it behind the lock because you'd gouge up the blocker. You'd come back to your locker and it would look like.

Yeah, yeah. So we had this whole thing, the lawn craftsman screwdriver, the block of wood. in the gym bag and we'd do it, boom, we'd open it up, we'd get your wallet, we'd open up. Oh, black A.MX, whoo, close the wallet, lock to lock up, gone. So you don't know for two, three days. So you had a call and say, back then it was Sony Vio laptops. Did you just buy 10 Sony Vio laptops for 3,500 a piece? Yeah.

Doesn't look suspicious at all. And back then also, they had the old credit card thing with the paper. And it was, you know, some of these stores, too. I remember I think we were in Arizona. It was like a best buyer, Walmart set up. And there was lines of people. And there'd be people, they must have got like a percentage. They'd be like waving for you.

Do you go through their checkout late? Like almost like a little ping pong thing. So it was crazy. And I'm like, these people ain't checking IDs. You know what I mean? They're just ringing these things up. So we'd go from place to place to place. I mean, I've been to Idaho.

I mean, everywhere. We go to everywhere. We go to every state and just we'd hit them hard. Then we'd tape up the boxes and fly back to Boston. And one guy would buy everything, you know? And that was like, it was just fun. You know, you're working out. You're on a vacation.

You're doing all this. Then you're coming back and selling all the shit. After that for a while, like everything, everything started circling back to drugs. You know, I started using drugs and everything unravels sooner or later, you know? Like that one. one of them ones we were in like Iowa and we come back and we're waiting to sell everything and he goes down the street and he comes back like 200 bucks for the Chinese food in a case of beer and I'm like we're out of money would you get the money for that he goes oh I still had a card in my pocket you know from I'm like oh yeah

that's great you're going to see $10,000 in purchases in Idaho and then 200 bucks where the Chinese food in Boston you know they're going to start looking at these cameras in these places and I started getting paranoid and and that that was that as far as the credit account thing I ended up getting locked up with one, and that was another one. I remember getting out of state prison in the end of 99, 2000, and I got a job in there making license plates. And, you know, we used to make the, that's so cliche. I know that's, I made a lot of those.

I dated a stripper that was actually working her way through college. And people, you tell them that they look at you. I'm not, no, you really, I promise. who she was. The Monzvina, Tampa. So I made a lot of, a lot of license place. What was I going? Oh, so when I got out of prison, I remember I was talking to this girl on the phone,

and she came and picked me up. And I went to this bank in downtown Walpole, Massachusetts. And I, you know, I had the check. And it was like the first check. It was. It wasn't like, it was the first check I ever cashed from, you know, a job. Right. You know, like taxes taken out.

And, you know, like. Remember, though, the girls in the bank are, like, looking at it and they're looking over at me. And one of them gives me a thumbs up. I was a girl. Might have been a strip of two, you know, so my cousin's at me up, or so. Yeah, I was like, that was like the only job, real job I ever had was making license plates at, you know, at that time, you know. So what happened after that? If you, if that didn't last, like, what were, what did you start doing?

What I always did? When I was 17, when I got out of, um, adult. jail. When I was a kid, we used to, I mean, I don't really date myself here, but we used to go in the bars and shine shoes and sell packs of $0.25 cents a piece. My whole life, even later on where I got, I got involved in drugs really bad. I always had that gene like you, you're a hustler. Right. You know what I mean? You're always out trying to make a buck, whether it's social media, or mortgage fraud, whatever it is, right? The end game, the end goal was always making money. And from as long as I can remember, I was selling joints, going in the bars, and just always, always hustling.

And so I started selling as a kid and then mescaline and acid. And I was always selling drugs. And then when I was 17, I really got into selling. And I just made a lot of money with that. So I could always, when I get out of prison, I could always revert back to selling drugs. You know, it doesn't, you know, they sell themselves. Yeah. basically. So that's what I always did. I always get out and I tried to start selling some drugs and

making some money and and put it into something else. So, you know, we did credit card fraud. We sold drugs and later on robbing banks and I really needed money. Well, what was the bank robbery? What was how did that? When was that? The last arrest for bank robbery was in 2001, 2002. What was the first bank robbery? No, around that time, you know, mid to late 90s. When I started really getting in the drugs, it wasn't like, you know, the town where I'm going in, you know, with the machine gun and the bottle of bleach. It's a great movie.

Yeah. I know a few of those guys involved with that somewhat, you know. And one of them just overturned his case, Anthony Shea. He's actually going to get out, but, you know, not for a while. But those are the guys that didn't they end up executing someone? Is that right? That's what he overturned his case, the Ahmed Karin Hudson, where they, one of them took off their mask in the back of the truck. And the guys, they were just kind of, you know, they like basically cajacked the whole army truck and took him into the woods.

Right. And one of them took off their mask and they saw them. And they made a quick decision then to execute them. Execute both of them. But that wasn't even in Boston, was it? That was, they were from Boston, Charlestown. That was in New Hampshire, right over the state line in Hudson, almost out towards. where I am. I'm a little north of the city. Everybody always compares the, you know, the town to that

case. Yeah. But yeah, so, so, so, so the first bank, well, what, what was the bank? Just going in and passing a note, you know, trying to, you know, the bank robbers kill me. Okay. You know, I just, it's the easiest thing to do. How do you, how do you even decide to rob a bank? Well, you need money. No. It's a pretty, pretty simple decision. And it's the easiest, it's the easiest way to get money. I was in, I was in caucus state prison once, playing cards, and there was a couple of black guys from like Roxbury. And we're just talking, chopping it up. And he goes, I bet I can tell you what you're in here for. And at the time, I was in Massachusetts at the time, the other thing called 52A, where if you get arrested and you were held on bail and you had a previous state prison sentence, they could just throw you right in state prison. So you have some guys around a $500 bail, and the guy sitting next to him is doing life.

So they just actually abolish you out. There's no more. They hold you in county jail like the old days. But you be in there on bail. guy's a sentence, and he's like, what are you on bail? He goes, I bet I can tell you what you're on bail for. And I'm like, what? And he goes, bank robbery. I go, as a matter of fact, I am. Right. I mean, it's kind of common. And where I'm from, you know, a lot, especially, like I said, it's the easiest, quickest way to get money. Is it also, isn't Boston like the bank robbery capital of world or something? Like, aren't there more bank robberies in Boston? Yeah. And that's one of the quotes they throw in the town. You know, they're talking about that one,

area, but just in Boston in general, there's tons of bank robbers, I thought. Yeah, yeah. There was, I mean, I think everything's changing now. The neighborhood, you know, I have a lot of friends there in Charlestown, and that one square mile, there was more bank robbers there than everywhere, but like everywhere else, got gentrified. Yeah. You know what I mean? The property, the prices started going up, and, you know, it was mostly Irish bank robbers. It's terrible now, you know what I mean? Those white people moved in and ruined the bank robbery industry. Those yuppies walking around with their dog, picking up their dog poop, you know. Terrible.

So how did you decide to rob that? So you, did you pick a bank? Did you think, oh, I can, this is a good target? Like, how do you, how'd you pick the bank? Like, how'd you figure out I'm going to use a note instead of a gun? Just common sense, basically. You just need balls. And I used to, I used to like robbing banks, like, when it was, when the weather was bad,

especially in the winter, like, during a snowstorm, because response time is just, you know what I mean? It's just easy money. Basically, you just walk in and, uh, you know, I, when COVID happened, I said, oh, my God, I wish I was still robbing banks. Hey, you can just walk in with a mask on, right? I said, hey, how you doing? Talk to the guy in line behind you and walk up. Just rob them.

You know, when I'd walk in and with a mask on, the whole place would, you know, kind of know what time it was. Well, what was it? Luke, we did one on this guy. Luke, he walked in the bank and he's got a mask on. He said, he walked in. He's got like a hoodie and a mask or something. But he said, he walked in. He said, by my attire.

He said, pretty sure you guys know why I'm here. here. Pretty obvious why I'm here. Put the money in the... Yeah. Yeah, I mean, one time I said, I'm going to here to make a large withdrawal, but I don't have an account here. We're going to have a problem?

And that lady, I remember her name and the police reports. I got arrested for that one. And she was talking about how she's traumatized. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. You know? Yeah. Come on. Playing victim, you're fine.

Yeah, it's not like I put a gun in your mouth. You know what I mean? I passed you a note. It's horrible. But anyway, it might have said no die pack, so you die. But, I mean, it was not. Nothing too bad, you know what I mean? You know, I'm just kidding.

Yeah, I just. You've been through this before. Yeah, yeah, you've been down this road, honey. You know how this works. So the note, so why, so the note as opposed to a gun because you get less time for a note, right? Yeah. And they're, they're trained or whatever, told. Yeah, to give it to you.

They're just, just following instructions, whatever they say. You know, no die packs. One time I was in, one time I did one. This one actually, I, when I was in prison for another one, they brought up another case and um i went in and i said to the lady you know only hundreds and 50s and she gave me like 2200 bucks or something it was like no it's like 800 dollar bills and like 650s whatever the f***er was i go what the fuck is this well that's all the hundred and 50s we have on hand i go well give me 20 she goes no that's not what the note says i'm like i'm haggling with this lady

someone behind me in line i'm like so i get out i take off i was bullshit so like a year later I get arrested for a bank and I'm in Concord State Prison and my lawyer, Joanne Daly, who was a, she's a federal lawyer now, but she was one of these public defenders that really believed in the rights of the indigent. Like, she'd be up there, I going back and forth with the DA, like, battling for me. She was the best. And she comes up to see me. She was like, I got some surveillance photos from the bank.

And I remember that bank with a lady, you know, gave me, you know, $3. You don't know what a $1,400 or whatever was. And I see I had this. I shouldn't say it, but I think the statute of limitations. I had a certain garb, certain, um, attire on covering my face. And I saw the picture and I said, I'm not charged with this bank. I said, that's, and I named the bank in the town. I go, that's, and she goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

She picked it up. She said, stop talking. Obviously, you're a suspect in that one, too, you know, put the pile down in the thing. But, yeah, Joanne Daly, I remember I, I, I went. and saw her afterwards and, you know, they won't take gifts, but I'm like dropping stuff off on her desk because she beat, I think, a home invasion for me, and she beat the bank robbery case. And I tell people the story. I'm in, I'm in prison, and I come back and I'm watching TV, and I'm just standing there. It's up on the wall, and there was a kid from around Boston. I know when he's

next to me, and my lawyer was going back and forth all day, like, with the, with the DA, and, you know, she even gave the judge some shit. And I'm like, wow, my lawyer, went daily. I go, she's unbelievable. I go, no, I go, my lawyer, I go, she's, she's tenacious. And he looked at me. He goes, tenacious? That's your name? He goes, well? Yeah, exactly. I looked. I said, yeah, pretty much, you know? And I said, this same day, this happened within 20 minutes of each other. I leave him, and I'm just like shaking my head, and I go up, and there's a kid from East Boston, Ronnie, Ronnie, Smute. Originally, it was Ronnie Tomorrow, right? I love Ronnie. I mean, how to go all this guy, right?

So I go into a cell, I says, hey, Ronnie. And he talked like Sylvester Stallone. Hey, I said, hey, Ronnie, what's up? I said, my lawyer just come up. She got some great news. He goes, really? What's that? I said, she just saved a bunch of money on her car insurance by switching a Geico.

And he looks at me, he goes, that's good news for you? And I just said, yeah, pretty much, right? I would have those moments and think I got to get out of here. What am I doing? That's where I'm going with this. I walked away, and I'm like, I'm way too. smart to be to be really i got this guy to call him my lawyer tenacious daily this guy's car insurance yeah i'm um yeah i'm way i'm way too smart to be in here but uh yeah joanne daly

shout out love her gonna find her she she actually my last my last case and i'm jumping around you know with the with the drug addiction and everything and in my last criminal case you asked me when the last time I got out was 2011. When I got out in 2011, now I'm 43 years old, same song and dance, right? No skills. No one's higher in me. Right. I remember I went to like one of these places that helps like ex-cons get jobs and this and that.

And the guy sat there with me and he's talking to me. And he says, I'm going to tell you what. I'm going to shoot from the hip here. He says, you're a good guy. He goes, I've been talking to you at 20 minutes, half hour. He goes, I like you, hilarious, right? And he goes, and you might win somebody over in a job interview. He goes, but when they run your record, he goes, so many people, like, looking for work that, he goes, this is, I mean, this is insane, your criminal record.

And that's what it was. So I didn't, I didn't pull any punches. I usually went right back to the criminal, you know, what I know, you know, selling drugs. And I got arrested on a case, trafficking. And it was during, it was oblige. it was a snowstorm and a couple weeks before a cop come up to me I was in the gym he sent a message to me through

someone else he said I want to meet you because I always said cops that like me you know some that hated me right but so I go to the gym and he's there and he's like him with the drug task force he's like we're following you right now he goes I'll lose my job for this he goes we got two cars and we're following you and we're going to

arrest you and you're trafficking and he gave me he gave me the heads up right and do you think I stopped At the time I was using drought, I was caught up, right? And I'm supporting to have it. I'm selling drugs. But now I'm on alert. So my last arrest, we got this blizzard.

And it was like, you know, whatever, 24 inches, two feet. You know, you're getting the alerts on your phone, like don't travel. There was literally no cars on the road. You know, it starts getting real dark, you know, around six, seven at night during the winter. You know, I don't know if it was here. Yeah, we're on the same time zone, right? So, you know, it gets dark earlier? We're saying time zone, but I do think...

Do you turn the clocks back? We change the time. But I think up north it gets dark earlier than it does down here. Oh, yeah. It gets super dark. It's like midnight at 7 o'clock. Some crazy reason during the winter. So I'm looking out my window and this person calls me for like five grams. And I'm looking out the window and there isn't a car on the road.

I mean, it's a blizzard, right? So I got this little Chevy S-10 steak, you know, full-wheel drive. I drive to this house to meet this person and I don't know what they were following me in I mean because there wasn't a car on the road but right when I walked out of the house I had a bunch of money, had a bunch of drugs in my sock they yoked me up by the throat

and choke slammed me and I'm like up here we go again you know I'm all downrated in my place found a bunch of other things so I'm in jail and I get out on bail after a couple months my father bails me out and one of my best friends is Mickey Wood

They made a movie The Fighter about him. Mark Wahlberg portrayed him, and the fighter. He was a boxer. And he'd always try to help me. Like, Mike, you're going to go to rehab? You're all fucked up. You know, he'd come see me. And he was trying to get me to go to rehab in Florida in Deerfield Beach.

He knew somebody who owned a rehab down there. And now I'm out on bail for this, and I'm a mess. And he's trying to get me to go down there. And I'm like, you know, I'm ready to cop out to a three to five. And at the time, I'm using a lot of drugs. and the detox from opiates and it's brutal. Right. So he's calling me and calling me and asked me if I wanted to go down

and I'm blowing him off. And then it's getting closer and closer to the end of the case. I'm ready to cop out. I'm talking to that same lawyer, Joanne Daly. I'm talking about, you know, get me down to two to four. You know, I'll take it. And she's just putting it off, putting it off. So I start calling Mickey.

I want to go. And he didn't know if I was serious. And now I'm calling him, calling him. And he gets me down at Deerfield Beach, Florida. place the Florida House experience and at the time I'm on methadone I'm like you know you went to what the Florida House Florida House experience okay so at the time like doesn't that doesn't sound like a drug rehab that's why I was just going to say yeah maybe that's why Florida House experience yeah so I remember you know Mickey you know at the time we used to joke he'd say you know he's driving on

he's like you know what do you what do you what do you want like what are you to detox from and I said he's on the phone with Dev and I said Mickey and I said I'm on everything but roller skates right now. You know what I mean? I mean, you name it. I'm doing X. Drinking. Like, I'm, like, I'm, I'm on everything. And before I went, I'm like, you know, make sure they have methadone there. And he's like, you know, he's talking to them on the phone. Do you have methadone? And he's like, yeah, don't worry. They got everything. They'll take it on real slow. And he dropped me off. I walked in. And yeah, there was no methadone. And it was, it was, it was brutal. But I, you know, I did that. And, you know, I went in there at St.

State, 2013, and, you know, I haven't done any drugs or alcohol, anything since. And got clean and I get out and I'm fighting this case. So, you know, I've detoxed in prison and jail. Now they give you a methadone in there. And so people get out of jail now. They look like they've been on the street smoking my life. It's crazy. It used to be like the last bastion of hope, right?

When I get locked up, it would be like, at least I'm going to get healthy now. I'm going to detox from drugs. Right. You know, and I'm the guy, you know, hitting the gym, I'm running and lifting weights. I get out of jail. I look like a million. And I do this time and time again.

Get out look like a million bucks. And so now I'm like, I'm going to get off the drugs. So I was going to say something real quick. My dad went to rehab a bunch of times. But one time I got there and they took away all this clothes. And so he's got, he's in like, he's in like his pajamas. And they take away all your shit. And so, you know, he,

He's like, whatever, after a few hours when he's, first, he's okay to go. But then, of course, like a few hours later, he starts to, he's, you know, detox or whatever, he needs some alcohol, whatever. And all he's got is his pajamas. And he's, he's, you can't keep me here. And they're like, you're right. You're free to leave. And he's like, well, where's my wallet?

Well, you know, this is what you got. Well, where's my clothes? You took my clothes. He's like, you can leave. And they're like, he's like, I'm in my pajamas. And they had already told my mom, he's going to call you in a few hours. He's going to tell you come down here, get me a taxi. She's like, they're like, you need not answer the phone or just, I'll know.

Yeah. And literally, he left a couple times, walked a block or two down the street and came back, realizing like, I can't walk home. He's way out in the middle of nowhere. You're in your pajamas. Like, he told us later when he got out, he's like, listen, they got this down to a science. Like, they kept talking to you and talking to you. He's like, it went hours. And then they were like, go, you can leave.

He's like, but he's like, they really have. you. Like, they really know what they're doing to keep you there. Yeah, of course. They deal with people like that. So how's he doing now? It's my question. Oh, he's dead. No. He went out exactly the way he wanted, filled with morphine and he popped full of morphine. Oh, no, he did. He sold it up. Good. He sold it up for the guy, like, probably the last 15, 15, 20 years of his life. Oh, awesome. Yeah. I'm sorry. They died of cancer because he, he's been smoking since he was like 13 years old. And it's one

day it hit and within, we was dead within three, four months. Maybe that's better than just lingering around. Yeah, but he was in his 80. You know what I'm saying? He's in his 80s. He had a long life. He saw you turn it around, right? Yeah, so he died while I was in prison.

Thanks. Oh, man. He's watching now, Maddie. He's watching right now. This guy B-shoot is going to take Matt to the next level. I had 26 years. He came to see me, and I had 26 years in the visitation room. And I remember telling him, like, well, what are you doing?

And I'm like, I'm done. This is it. I'll be in my 60s when I get out. And he was like, no, that's not true. And I was like, no, that's true. And I remember he said, no, he goes, you're smart and you're clever. He goes, you're going to figure a way out of here. And I thought, you're delusional.

Like, are you drunk now? Like, are you crazy? I'm done. But he was right. You know, I did. I ended up 12 years off my sentence and walked out and before I was even 50. But yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. know that visit. Okay. Walking back from that one. Yeah, it's like, same thing.

It's like when you used to get drunk when I was in my teens and tell me I was a loser, I was going to be nothing like lucky guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a, that was very lucky guess. At least you didn't say like, I told you, huh? Huh? I was right. Remember that time?

Yeah. My father's saying, I'm going to leave and go get a steak. I would be it on the road. You know, like, say, how do you keep putting yourself in a position where people tell you what to do? Because I wake up at two in the morning. I get on, I have a couple Oreos, walked down to the fridge. like a piss throw the TV on he's like you don't you don't miss it until you're yeah until you miss

it you know I remember you know people like right away I'm gonna you know broads you get laid you know whatever you thing is right but I'm like girls and food like I never thought oh my mouth water right right makes your mouth water I never mouth never what is a saying right yeah I'd be in prison I see a commercial with a burger king burger in my mouth it's not salopi you know like that's a real thing oh yeah people remember just before you get out everybody keeps saying like, what are you going to eat when you get out? And, you know, these guys have a different impression to me who I really am. They're like, bro, what are you going to, you're going to go get lobster? You're going to get this? And all I could think about was a McDonald's

cheeseburger, the little cheeseburger. That's all I was like, I just want a McDonald's cheeseburger, bro. That's all I daydreaming about that for 13 years. My mouth, even now thinking about it, my mouth starts watering. See that? Like I said, I saw that commercial. I remember standing there looking at that commercial. It was just like a Wapa Jr. Right. They're showing it sizzling on the grill with the burn. marks in it, right? And I like my mouth's water. And I'm like, what the fuck? You know, I die for one of them right now. So let's go back. So you were in the rehab. You got out, your buddy's like, hey, you're trying to get it to down to two years. Yeah, I was trying to get it down with two to four. And Joanne Daly pulls up this, this paperwork in the case. And it said the state, the law police received the email from the state police saying I was trafficking in the area. And that's what started the investigation. So she was like, wait a minute, before we cop out, produce this email. Right.

And I'm like, hey, listen, if you can get them down to two to four, I'll jump on it. Because I'm not going to trial and getting smoked. Just hold on, hold on. So, you know, boom, when it gets continued again, they don't produce the email. Continue again. They don't. Now I'm saying her, hey, I'm ready. I want to get this out of the way.

Like, I'm just, I want to start this time and get going. She's like, no, no. She's like, no. She goes, you don't understand about emails. They don't go away. Right. She's like it's like electronic fingerprint. She's like that, if they have this, if they have this.

So then I start thinking, I know a little bit about the law. I spent a lot of time in the law library, like fruit of a poisonous tree, obviously. Right. If the beginning of the case is bad, the original thing that started this case, this supposed email, if that's bad, anything that came after it, see you later. So we kept asking and asking. And then now I'm getting confident like three or four times at DA. Oh, we got it. Oh, we got it.

Oh, we got it. You know, next time, next time. And finally she got the judge to put it on record. going to have it the next time we went to court. So now I'm like, you know, I can't stop thinking about it. We go in a court. The TA starts. Well, I didn't get it yet.

We're going to get it next week. Now the judge is going to continue it again. My lawyer get up. No, no, no, you know, run it back. Run the tapes back. They told us last time I was here. And I remember the judge looked. They pulled it up.

And the judge was like, all charges dismissed, lack of prosecution, good day. And I was like, whof. So that was, what a game change of that was, you know. So, but now. Now I got a good head on my shoulders. I'm sober. I just beat this case. I got no probation, no parole, which you'll know about that soon enough.

Right. I'm not going to go, I want to check you here. You know what I mean? But soon enough. You know, it's a good feeling. Yeah. Right. And after that, I, you know, just being a hustler like we always are.

I remember I was down in Florida and I was with a friend of mine, Gary Boyle. What year? 2013. Okay. I'm down in Florida, 12, 13. I mean, and when I first went to Florida, there was, I mean, statute of limitations. I got that. Statue of limitations.

Right? Most statute of limitations. So on financial crimes is five years. Yeah. For like bank fraud, I think it's, I'm sorry, for bank robbery, I believe it's 10 years. Yeah. So. Yeah.

So. I mean, for most, I think for a lot of drugs, it's three to five years, right? A lot of drug crimes. Yeah. All right. So when I first got to Florida, I remember I'm in the Publix, and there was a kid in the rehab who worked there. And I see the truck pulling up, getting the money, and the guy's walking out. He doesn't really he's paying much attention to this guy. I know. I'm at that stage of the game now where I'm, you know, 43, 44 years old.

And I'm like, I got to make a move. I got to do something. And I remember I was in the bathroom. Something should be get a job. I remember I'm in publics. and I see these rain slickers hanging in the bathroom. You know, like I said, I always like rain and snow and, like, during a story. Right. That was when I usually make my move.

And so I grab, I grab, I steal a rain slicker, you know, something. I'm already, I'm already plotting, you know, when I'm going to do this. So I got this and, and then I went to a doctor down there, and they were still kind of doing the perk things down there. It was towards the end. They were really tightening up 2013. I mean, the gold rush. was over as far as old.

The doctor shop and that was like petering out. They had the system about that time. But I had a doctor and he'd write me a huge script of percocets and they wouldn't fill them. They started not filling them at like CVS and Walgreens. And I remember I'm going to this like shady little pharmacy on Oakland Park Boulevard in Fort Lauderdale. And I forget what he was charging me like eight bucks apiece to fill them.

And you know, they was going for 30 bucks, you know, in Boston. So I'm taking, I'm, I just got a rehab down there. but I'm making a trip, you know. That's actually long going on this, right? No, yeah. So, yeah. So I'm making the monthly trip back. Now I've got a nice place right on the inlet of the intercoastal.

And I'm, you know, now I got a friend of mine going to the same doctor. And I'm taking him off him in Florida and throwing him a couple bucks. And, you know, I'm hollowing out sneakers and taking trains back. And one bottle is in my name so I can fly with that. And, you know, I'm just doing what I always do. You know what I mean? I'm scheming and scamming. But I was down in Florida with a friend of mine, Gary,

boil, rest in peace, Gary. And we were out in a restaurant and we saw these like, you know, Mexicans power washing around the dumpstone. He's like, kid, that's a good business to start right there, kid. All you need is a $100 power washer from Home Depot, a pump sprayer and a bottle of bleach and a hose. You have no overhead. That's all you need. And I'm, you know, listening to him. So I'm always thinking, right, I get this little Chevy S-10 truck and I'm, I'm thinking, And fuck, I should start a little pot washing business back home. And during this whole time, I had a daughter. I lost custody of it when I went to prison.

And her mother had her own issues. And she lost her. And the grandparents or the girl had her. And she didn't know who I was. And then she was like four or five. And, you know, it was always in the back of my mind, like, feeling like a piece of shit. Like I have a daughter who doesn't even know who the fuck I am. Her mother's a mess.

The grandparents got her. And she's bouncing around. So I started, started violence. some motions trying to get custody of her. So I'm bouncing back and forth, and I started a little power washing business back home. And I keep going to court, going a court, going to court. And now I, the parents were in Naples, the grandparents, and they just like left her with someone else.

So I filed the motion to have them come in. And I ended up winning custody, long story, sure. Right. And my daughter. So I got her back. And I started this little power washing business. And I started doing pretty good, you know, supplement. with the monthly runs to Florida.

That was still going on. And I ended up parlaying that into a roofing gig. How does that parlay into a roofing gig? Like, you've never done a roof. Have you ever put on a roof? No. Why does you think that I can... Well, a lot of...

That's a stretch. Like, that's a leap. Well, where I'm from is a lot of roofers also. Right. Like Mickey's father was a roof. And a lot of guys I grew up around roofing. And I actually went to... down to the Super Bowl when the Patriots played in Arizona when Malcolm Butler intercepted the ball.

I know you're not a big sports guy, but it was, you know, you'd end of the game, the Patriots you're about to lose and the Patriots make this miraculous play and intercepted on the one-yard line. And I got my tickets down there and I got them off the scalper in Boston and I fly all the way down to Arizona. And something happened with the tickets like Stubbub didn't get all these tickets. So they pre-sell tickets, like let's say you and your wife want to get on there. Tampa Bay Bucks fan. It's in Arizona. You pay $3,000 apiece for your tickets.

You fly all the way down there and they say, hey, we didn't get the ticket. So at the time, they had a 200% return on your money. But people are still like, I want to go to the game. I don't want my money back. So I had two tickets. I paid $1,500 apiece for me and my friend. So now I'm the more than another game, I see the cheapest tickets going for $9,000. So at the time, I got like $1,500 to my name.

I'm, you know, I'm hustling power wash and selling perks. Right. I go, hey, this is a no braider for me. I know you're a huge Patriots fan. He's like, it's my birthday. The last time they played on my birthday in the Super Bowl, they won. I say, that's all well. Good.

You know what I mean? But we're selling these tickets. You're going to go to a bar and get drunk, and I'm going to go to a rub and tug or something. I'm going to figure out who won the game after. So we end up selling the tickets, $8,500 apiece, $17,000. Oh, my God. Yeah, I was outside the stadium. And there was this ticket broker, and he had like a, I don't know,

spice up the story, like a Louis Vuitton bag. He had just like this leather bag. and he had bricks of hundreds in it. And he had these runners going around. He ended up being a ticket broker from Miami. And he looked at the tickets real quick and he's like, yeah, 17,000. I just counted out $17,000. And I'm like, wham, I had $1,500 in my pocket.

Now I got $10,000. I'm on top of the world. And he was like outside the stadium, no one's grabbing any money and running away. You know what I mean? The streets are blocked off. There's crowds. He was like safe with that money right there. Just throw that out there.

The guy wasn't walking around with $200 grand in a bag. And so I sold my tickets. And that was in 2015, I believe. And right at that time, we got hit where I'm from, Lull, it was the snowiest city in America. So roofs were collapsing. So there was a shoveling roofs thing. So I come back and it's all going on. I got that little shitty truck with a ladder on it on power washing.

And I pull in, I won, I got custody and my daughter. And when I first, got her actually. I remind me to go back to the shoveling roofs with the little truck. When I first got custody of her, she's on the couch and she was, I'll know if she's watching a movie called The Nut Job. It's like a Disney movie. And it's like these little squirrels are in this thing and they're looking at this like, they're going to rob this like nut factory and steal all these like, you know, cashews and peanuts. And at the same time, there's these like these thugs watching the bank across the street. They got the guns. And it's just fun.

like Disney. And she says, you know, what were you just? She goes, were you in prison? I said, what do you think prison is? She was five or six. She goes, jail. I said, would you think I was a bad person if I was? She said, yeah, you were in jail?

And I said, well, I was. I said, I made a mistake. But I changed now. She goes, what were you in jail for? So this was the perfect segue, the old nut job movie. I said, well, you see those gentlemen right there? watching the bank and she said, you robbed a bank?

Yeah. Among other things. But let's move on. So a week, a couple weeks later, she's in this place Girls Inc. It's like the girls' club, you go off to school. So I pick her up. She gets in my truck.

She goes, Mike. She still calls me Mike to this day. Never call me that. She goes, Mike. What's up, Joanne? She goes, I stole two things today. I said, really? What's that?

That's not the reaction, by the way. Pack and gum. And then she pulls out, like, you know when you go to, like, date myself, again, like the raves, the glow in the dark bracelets, you snap them and they glow. And she goes, and this glow in the dark necklace. I said, well, Jordan, here's me being herein the responsible father-in-up. I said, Jordan, you're bringing it back there tomorrow after school, and you're telling him you took that.

She goes, you're kidding. I go, no, I'm not kidding. She was, I was in Lost and Found. I said, I don't care where it was. It wasn't yours. Doesn't belong to you. you. Right? You're returning it. And she looks out the window

of the truck. It was like raining. So disappointing. She's like pondering, right? And she turns around and she says, so Mike, when you took money from a bank, you brought it back the next day. I said, listen, you know what happened to me. You want me to take you to the police station, right? But I remember driving going, you know,

out of the miles of age, right? When you took money of a bank, did you bring it back the next day? As a matter of fact, I didn't, Jordan, but you'll bring it back the gum in the necklace. Some with her, and we pulling this gas station down the street of my house and this old guy, it was, you know, the old time gas station's pumping the gas, taking the money. He says, hey, do you shovel roofs?

So I got a little ladder on top of my truck. Right. I remember this kid I know was stealing ladders. He worked for like a solar company. There's nothing that doesn't revert back to some kind of a crime. I remember this kid with stealing ladders. He called me, I heard he started a rooving company. You know, I get these ladders.

And so I go, all right, so I'm veering off course yet, but he's taking off the truck. He goes, I go, does it work? He goes, now I already got a roofing company. He's like, you know, or a power washing company over. He goes, does it work? I go, he goes, yeah, it works. He goes, go ahead, check it out. So I'm going, I'm like, you know, trying to open it up.

And he's just looking at me. And he's like, you got to untie the rope and put your foot on the bottom to extend. And you got a construction business? You don't even know how to open a ladder? I go, hey, donate, donate on me. So I'm with her, and I get this ladder on top of my truck. and I asked if you shovel roofs. And I said, yeah, I'm doing.

He says, how much to shovel that? It was like this little ranch. I go, 600 bucks. When can you do it? Did you just come up with it? You have no idea. I mean, no idea. I just throw out there.

He goes, when can you do it? She drive away. My daughter says, why did you tell me shovel roofs? I said, you know, I said, June, when someone asks you can do something, you always say, yeah, she goes, what if he asks you to jump off a bridge? Now she's sick, right? I'm like, oh, here we go, right? I'm like, don't worry about it.

So I grabbed two kids. I know one of them was a roof for I said hey shovel this roof for me I'll give you 150 each so now I dropped them off they set up the ladder it's freezing you know I'm like yelling out the window out of my I go down the street I get a coffee from Dunkin' Donuts and I'm in my truck watching him shovel the roof you're making you're making $300 drinking coffee

like look these idiots poor guys I'm Snapchated you know and that's when I started the social media which ended up growing but I'm sitting there filming it and then like the neighbor comes out and she says hey can you shovel my roof then it's can you shovel my daughter's roof she lives you know in this part of town she lives in newton and here and there and i ran around so i come back i took off to l.a i went to the wild car gym see my buddy dickie ecklin's son works there and freddie roach and it's a famous boxing gym in hollywood and i went there and i come back and i don't know what i had left from the 15 grand you know probably 12 grand i'm out there in

L.A. bouncing around. And I come back and now the shoveling roof thing started. So for a month straight, it was nonstop shoveling roofs. I remember one of them, a kid worked for me, Mike Landry. It was this big roof. He goes, hey, is this roof got any skylights? I go, no. He goes, well, go call the homeowner and fucking see if it got skylights. And it did, right? He's like, see? You got to ask. A week later, a guy fell through a skylight shoveled a roof and died. Not what of your guys? No, no. It was like a commercial building. It was a big one. He was a big flat roof. And I'm like, you know, here's something I'd never think of it. Yeah, yeah.

I don't go on a roof. You know what I mean? But I wouldn't have been the guy falling through the skylight. So shoveling roofs, months straight, after everything, I'm in my room. And I forget what I had, like $36,000 cash. And this kid shoveling roofs for me. And he said, he said, you know, how many people are going to need roofs when this is done? He goes, you got idiots on roofs like you stepping through skylights and you've never been on a roof,

shoveling up, ripping off shingles, drilling holes through ice dams. He's like, when this thaws out, these roofs are going to be destroyed. You're currently, I'm currently destroying roofs and I'll then come back and say, wow, that roof is fucked up. Yeah, it is fucked up. I can fix that for you. Exactly.

For $6,000. So when he said that, I says, wow, this kid's on to something, right? So that's how the roofing business started. I had all that money I made and I bought another truck with a bigger truck with ladder racks. And I went and got a workman's comp and liability and started a roofing company. And that's when that took off. Didn't take off, but I did good. Yeah.

Good, you know. That, it just reminds me of my buddy Travis, who got arrested and cooperated against me and started a task force. So he was a good guy, Travis. He is a good guy. He had a little daughter, you know, I get it. Like, so, but he was, we were running a scam together. He got arrested. And when he got arrested, you know, the next day he bonded out.

I should have known. I didn't know anything back then. Like his initial bond was like $200,000 and the next day they dropped it to like $10. Yeah, $15. Yeah, he's like, yeah, it got it lowered within a day. Like, you don't even have a lawyer yet. But anyway, he got out, started working with the task force. But what's funny is, of course, you can't continue to, you don't want to commit fraud.

He's like, I'm currently, but what I thought he was currently, like, I'm working with my lawyer. Well, first of all, I get him a lawyer. That's like 15 grand. So I give him a lawyer. So he's like, he's like, he's like, um. He's like something ain't right. Yeah. It was a state.

This was state. Even though he got arrested in a bank, because if it was federal, it would have been 40 grand or 30 grand. Yeah. But it was state and all they got him for was opening a bank account with a fake ID. So it's, so it stayed state for some reason. But while he's working with. with them, he's telling me, like, you know, obviously it just takes a long time, you know. So he's like, in the meantime, I'm not going to commit fraud.

I need to get a job. I was just so happy he was dating this chick who just bought a house and he shows up, borrows a chainsaw from his dad to trim some trees. So he trim some trees for her. While he's trimming trees, he's like literally like three neighbors come up to me and say, how much do you charge? Yeah. He's like, I have no idea how much.

And he's like, so I walk over and I look and look at the trees and I go, I'll trim this one up for $1,500. He's like, $1,200. And they're like, they're like, done. Yeah. And then he's like the next, he said, so the next day I work there, he's like, you know, it takes a couple days. And then he said, you know, somebody else comes up to him.

He's like, but listen before you know it, he's like, I got like six jobs. He says, and I very quickly realized, like, I'm charging way too cheap. Yeah. Everybody's like, okay, okay. Yeah, they jump on it. Right. He's like, now he realized. He's like, I'm saying 1,200.

He's like, I should have been saying like 2,500, 3,000. Yeah. Because now he's trying to. And if we get rid of this, the, you know, not realizing like how, how heavy trees are and the limbs are. And I got to put it in my truck. So then he comes back to me. And he's like, um, listen, man, I, I need to get it like a truck. So I go buy him a truck.

I'm still committing for all. I buy him a truck. This is, while he's also meeting with a task force, I go buy him a, a dodge. It had a hemy in it. He was a, he's like, I needs to be a big thing. Okay. Of course. I'm surprised.

Travis, I'm surprised. I didn't suggest that. I'm embarrassed. I didn't suggest buying you a truck. I buy him a truck. Comes back a couple weeks later. He's like, you know what I need? I need one of those chippers.

How much are those? He's like, I can get one for like, you know, whatever, $2,200 used? I'm like, of course. Of course you should. I don't know what was I thinking. Of course you knew what. We get him that. Then he comes back a month later and he wants a boom.

Like you can pull it behind your vehicle and it goes up, you know, and you want to look. Those are like expensive. They're like eight grand or something. Don't tell me about that too. Of course. I did. He needs it. Listen, I did, I did everything. I fell short of actually dropping him off. Tell me he felt bad during all this. Tell me he felt terrible during all this. I sure you did. But yeah, it's funny. It kept growing, growing to this day. So I basically invested like, now I did

finance the truck. You know, I financed a truck. Yeah. And he, but he had the pay. Somehow or another, he ended up with a truck that I took off, but I don't know how he ended up. was a truck, but I took off, maybe for something, I forget. But did I put the money down and finance it his name? I think it wasn't his name, but I put a chunk of money down. Yeah. But the rest of the stuff, it ended up being like $15,000 for his lawyer. It was $25,000.

I just dumped into his new business. Yeah. He still runs that business to this day. No fucking way. He has, at one point, my mom came to visit me, and I was like, oh, how's it? How's it going? She's like, oh, I saw Travis the other day. I was like, oh, how's Travis?

Like, you know, I don't have any problem with him. I'm like, oh, how's Travis? She's, oh, he's good. He came by to trim our trees and this and that. I was like, oh, okay. And she said, oh, he's doing real good. She said, you see his trucks everywhere. I'm like, trucks.

And she's like, oh, he must have five or six different trucks. Like, he's got crews. He had, now he's not doing that well. Like, he actually doesn't live far from here. He still runs it. Yeah. But I think he's only got a couple of trucks. But, you know, he's an alcoholic.

He's lost his license. he's has somebody who has to drive him around. Like, the alcoholic, you know, as you get older, you don't function as well. Like, you're a young guy, you can kind of function on alcohol, being an alcoholic. Yeah, yeah. He's older now, so. I think it's worse than drugs, the alcohol. Yeah, it's caught up with him.

But it's the same thing. It was kind of a fluke where it was like this, you know, okay, and somebody walked, you know, he kind of got pushed into this thing that ended up being this career. He had to be something, though. He must have been like a monkey, climbing trees or something, because that's like a, that's like a different breed, people left. Yeah, I think he. honestly only trimmed trees for a few months. Now he's like, oh, I don't do it. I bid out the jobs. I hire the guys. I drive them there. I say, go do this, go do that. But yeah, if he wasn't,

if he wasn't an alcoholic, he could have probably turned that into something massive. And at one point he had, it was pretty big. But he's, you know, the alcohol fucks them up and he goes on benders and loses everything, and then starts over and, you know how it is. Yeah, beach working for someone else, though. Yeah. You know what I mean? He did good. But it's the same thing. Like, you're not climbing on Roos. You're not doing Roos.

You're just hiring the guys. Yeah, subbing out. I like my chances on the ground. He sends the voice things, right? What do they call? Yeah, voice things. What, voice memos? Yeah.

And he'll, you know, I'll get the little voice memos. Yeah, I get these guys in the back of the truck. I'm dropping them off of this roof over here. Yeah, but I'm going to get a plane. I'm probably going to be there. And I'm like, probably going to, like, this is scheduling with him was like eight different Yeah, I'm thinking about this. Yeah, probably.

Probably. I got a guy coming. Like, I need to know. And then out of the blue, I finally get one that says, I might drive. You know what? I don't know. I'll be there. And then like the next day, it's like, I'm in Tampa.

Yeah, literally drove the airport that day. I finally realized, okay, he is going to be here when I get the text says, I'm in Tampa. Like. But so you do, so you did the, so you're doing the roofing thing now. But then you started, well, how's her daughter? Good. She's doing great. She's going to be here tomorrow, actually.

I thought it was the best thing. Oh, yeah, that's right. She's coming with her friend and her friend's mother. And knock on wood, I got lucky with her. So far, so good, you know. The social media thing. She stopped stealing stuff? Yeah, yeah.

She stopped stealing stuff. My father got her stealing a pack of gum one time, too. He goes, I'm walking home with her. She was like, you know, seven. She's like, reaches in her pocket and she pulls out a pack of gum. And said, she said, you know, they just had her in the store. I would have bought it. I goes, June, when did you get that?

I had it. He goes, no, you didn't. I got to get to get out of here. I had it. Mind your own business. You ask a lot of questions. Are you a cop? So, once, speaking of that, a couple of years back when I first met, I guess she's my ex now.

She broke up with me yesterday. This is the chick that you sent me the video with. Chinese girl? My out show He's going to be watching this Yeah, you were doing You were watching cameras or something You were somewhere where there was cameras or something

You sent me a video And you showed me You showed me this You said something And then you said Did I just hear you saying You were talking and you said Hey babe, can you get such a touch?

Definitely I don't know if I saw it. So Definitely It was definitely you baby Was I going And so, oh, I was with my girlfriend and my daughter. This had to be four or five years ago.

The guy I knew the podcast with Bundy, he was wanted. There was like a task force looking for him. And I pulled up to my sober house, and my daughter just met my, she's my girl. I'm just going to call him. I can't see my ex. She just met her, and she's in the front seat. My daughter, it's going to be five years ago. She was probably 11.

So, of a sudden, the house has swarmed with cops. And I'm like, you know, I'm giving them a hard time. You know, I filmed on Instagram. I'm like, get the fuck off my property. Because there would be an asshole. Why were they there? They were looking for Bundy. So I first said who are you looking.

Bundy's your co-host. Yeah. Okay. So I first said, who are you looking for? And they said, someone who resides at this residence. And that's when I became an asshole. Get the fuck off my property. Like, just I know who you're looking for.

Just tell me who. And I'll tell you he's not here. Right. But you want to come back with this smart, you know, cop talk, you know, somebody who uses this mingling. Shut the fuck up, you know. So I get back in my truck and, and my, The girl Shin-in, Johnny, she's like, she's like, she just, she said, I go, I go, what?

So my daughter goes, the guy come up to the window, knocked on the window, I rolled the window down, and he said, is your father here? And she said, I looked down, and I saw he had a badge on his waist. She goes, so I just rolled the window up. And then the Chinese girl goes, she told me not to talk to them. And I was, I was so proud. It was, you know, probably my proudest moment. a father that, you know,

Oh my God. Yeah, yeah, you're the teacher me on. You know, they're not here to help. When the cops shop's not asking questions, they're not here to tell you you won the lottery. Well, listen. You know, they're trying to put you in a cage most of the time. Bozziak, right?

They came here one time for Boziac. He was dating this chick. And he would, he just, he just, they got into a fight. He said, I'm done with her. And he, he blocked her on everything. So a couple days goes by, he's, she hadn't heard from him.

She's calling. She's doing everything. But, you know, he's blocked her. Yeah, he doesn't even know the Texas. He ain't even getting them. Yeah, that's why he did it. She called a wellness check. This is what a psycho she is.

And they show up. So I walked to the front door, knocks on, you ever heard this? Nox on the front door. And I, you know, I looked at the people and I thought, what the fuck? I opened the door. I'm like, hey, when there's two cops there. And I'm like, hey, what's going on? They said, John Boziak.

And I went, no. And they go, is he here? And I went, no. And they go, does he live here? And I went, no. And as soon as I said that, I thought, Jesus, God Almighty, did I just fly to the cops? And I thought, I'm on probation. Like, what the fuck did I just?

That I'm about to correct myself. And then the guy goes, he's not in any trouble. We have a wellness check from, and they named the girl, the girl. We have a wellness check. We're just making sure he's okay. And I went, obozyac. and they go they look at each other

and they go yes I said he is not here but he does live here yes and the cops are just the look on their face and I was listen

and my heart was like because as soon as I said it I thought what did you just do yeah what the fuck are you doing it was just automatic it just automatically which is horrible

this is not the right thing to do but I know for you you're like actually it probably is yeah but it's bothers me when I lie of cops we call him

I go I can call him I go, I can call him, though. He's at the tattoo place. So we call him. And I said, hey, there's two cops here. There's a wellness check. And he goes, what did that psycho do? He starts going, I'm fine.

Here's who I am. He tells him, they're like, okay, just making sure. And he hung up in. They're like, yeah, bro, that's crazy. That's crazy. I go, she's nuts, bro. She's not. She's talking about him.

No, he didn't. Because you see that a lot. Oh, he does. He did a few times. You know, he realized. You see guys, like a girl puts him in jail. and they go back on them. Oh, no.

I've seen it. I've seen it. I can't be involved in that. No. This is when I was on the run, the chick I was on the run with would literally the cops would get called. We're both on the run wanted. She's screaming at two in the morning and getting the cops called.

Like, what are you doing? We're wanted. Where are you on the run? I was all over the place. Across the States. Oh, no. This was a, yeah, this was in Charlotte, North Carolina. Cops actually got called like two or three times.

Didn't arrest you? No, I was never there. Oh. So as soon as she just would start screaming, I'd grab my, bugout bag and hall ass she'd walk in the hallway we're talking about it this is a downtown high-rise nice place it's two in the morning and she's screaming run that's all you're good for run and i'm like two in the morning and i did i'm bolton like i run get my car leave and then 10 minutes later she's borne my phone up crying i'm sorry where she's come back i like this girl she probably doesn't live

far from here really but she'd call and i'm literally i remember one time i was she's crying on the phone and they bang on the door. Boom, boom, boom, boom. And she, hold on a second. It opens door. They're like, hi, we got a phone call for, she's like, oh, I'm sorry. And she's talking to them. And I'm like.

And you're right there in the room. And what? Yeah, right there in the room. No, no, I was in my car. Oh, right. She's called me. She's still in the, in the apartment, but I'm already in my car driving down the street. And she's wanted to?

She's wanted to. But we're living, we have a beautiful. You're not in a motel six. No, no, we're in an apartment, a nice apartment in downtown. But we both have fake IDs. Like I have, now I mean fake idea. I mean, they were issued by the DMV. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you can say, hey, she can say, my name is Michelle Eckert. I can say, hey, my name's Michael, so-and-so, and they can run it. So they don't know, but yeah, you're wanted. Yeah. Like, they're looking at somebody who's wanted who's on the, you know, the secret. Yeah, but you have the driver's license with you. Yeah, they don't have a clue. But still, it's like, you can't, like, shut your mouth.

Like, what are you doing? You're on the Secret Service. Secret Service is Most Wanted List. That's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. So when did you start the podcast? Just like six months ago, seven months ago, I was on someone else's podcast and like,

dude, me and you're sitting there shooting the shit. Yeah. He's like, dude, you can talk, you know, you got to do your own thing. And like I talked to you a little about it when I got here. I got to really tighten up. And, you know, I'm showing. I got a consistency. Yeah.

Consistency. I'm doing it. Then I'm not doing it for three weeks. Then I'm doing it one. And it's, but I got a good amount of subscribers and a good amount of views what I'm doing. But I really got to step it up. And especially you have to be in here and seeing this operation, you know? Yeah.

No, seriously, man. What a system you got here. Did the podcast come from your Instagram following? Is that like kind of like, yeah, like, because you have, what, 150 on Instagram? Yeah, yeah. And what are you posting on Instagram? You just, just my life, you know, videos. I see a lot where I live is a lot of crazy stuff, mostly funny stuff.

I was just thinking about them. the video where they're doing the drone. This is what I think is going on every time I hit some code. Yeah, there was one video. That went crazy viral where they were raiding a house right near where one of my sober houses is. I own a couple of sober homes. When the cops showed up and they got the tank outside and they had a cop, it looks like he's playing a video game.

He's flying the drone outside the guy's window. And I said, this is what I think is going on every time I do a shot of. I used to check over. But there's really nobody out here. And I turned around and everybody's laughing. And that one went kind of crazy. Hey, this is what I think's going on every time I do a shot of... But there's really nobody there.

That's the craziest thing. And then there was one. But I thought I was recording. And I actually wasn't recording. I was so mad. They have this tank. And the top of the tank, they got the thing lift up. And the snipers are like this.

They're trying to get the guy to the window, and the lady has a bullhorn, and she's like, we don't want to hurt you. And I said, she's lying. Right? And the cop finally turned around and say, hey, you know, I'm going to arrest you in about two minutes. Shut the fuck up. And everybody was like a comedy hour out there. Everybody was laughing.

And then I had another video afterwards. It started getting dark. So I walked over to the cop. He was like the head of the task force, and I'm filming it. And I drew like a crude diagram. And I put like, you know, put the pistoles. or in the sock and I had like a ladder going up to the back of the house and I go up and I go

I think you know we should probably use implement this I've been driving to working on this all day and he's just looked at him he's like get the way from me please so yeah just stuff like that you know pretty much um

observational yeah things you know and the guy with the bad hair the oh that's horrible bro this guy must want to kill me so close to my heart too You should plug that in here You should show that video

Me too Me too I may need to hear transplant soon This guy This was just recently He was in a I guess a deli Near my house

And he's sitting there In the front of his The front of his hair Is like this perfect spiked up But then it's all bald behind it And from all the comments It said You know

Looks like he started getting A hair transplant Maybe it all fell out But I'm like This guy's leading a double life Because from the back He just got like The standard horseshoe patting

And in the front He's got like the Schwarzenegger, you know, spiked on the top of his forehead. But I was kind of jealous of my, you know, I'd probably trade in my due right now just for the, you know, if I could look in the mirror and just see the spiked up, you know, halfway down my forehead.

He said, I just want to look good from this angle. Yeah, that's all that matters. You know what I mean? Got the teeth, now get the fucking here. Maybe I'll take a trip to Cherokee. It's going to be the best, the best homeover going. Kevin. That is amazing.

that is amazing you're just working it's a what it is for I mean that's a work of art that is amazing it's gonna be the best

so you're just recording like whatever you see out in Boston area and I heard you say one of your podcast so people recognize do people recognize the people you're recording

oh I so everybody I mean years ago like my Snapchat I could you know clown on people Now I put a video of someone and within 10 minutes, oh, that's my cousin.

You know, I work with him. That's my, but this girl's like, that's my father. I'm like, oh, I got to take this down. Yeah, I had one last year. I thought it was a guy. He's walking his dog. And he is, you know, black people have, this skin gets real dry. It gets like ashy.

So I go, next time I go, you better get some. lotion on them ankles, my guy, looking pretty ashy. And then someone mess with me, that's my 15-year-old. And there was like a thousand comps, I'm like, oh my God, like, I apologize. I took it right down. And I had one that just went like

it was going super viral. I was in like this bodega and ordering some empanadas with this girl. And these people, I won't say their race, they were Indians. And Some of these people, they don't chow.

They don't use deodorant. I don't know what it is. I know. But they're sitting there and I sit at the table and then it hits me and the girl I'm has her shirt up over her nose and I'm like, so I'm filming and I'm like, these people, I'm talking loud. Right. I'm not, you can see who I'm talking about.

Yeah. Yeah, you're not a, you're not a, what do they call that, a wilting flower? What's the, what's the term? I'm probably saying it wrong. Yeah. So I'm like, these people smell so bad, you know, And I'm talking, and she's like, Mike, stop. I'm like, no, no.

So then they get up to leave, and I kind of like glance at them and I go, yeah, thanks for leaving. I'm like, you know, I said to the lady, do you got any likes all in here? And that video, 7 million views in 24 hours, but the comments, and they were mostly talking in, like, you know, Indian, Pakistani. And I'm seeing it. And then boom, your post has been removed for bullying. And I'm like, oh, that was the one. Like, I've never had a post get 7 million views in 24 hours.

Like, who knows where that would have went, right? That was 100 million views all day. And I'm just like, and the worst thing is you get like a thousand followers in like 20 hours. And then they remove the post in Shadow Mania for 10 days. Oh. So nobody sees your post and your followers just start. Because, like, if you look at your followers, like, every day you'll gain followers. But it's like the ones you lose just stay steady.

I'll lose like 79 followers a day. Right. You see this line. And then you see it like in the last month, they had some. videos go viral and I was getting like I like 14, 15,000 followers in the last 30 days. Some days a thousand followers, 600, 900. I don't know what, how the algorithm works. It must hit the explore page and a few of them start going crazy. But the unfollows stay the same. It's like 70 to 90 a day I lose and followers. So when they shadow man you, you don't gain any followers. You just lose

them. So it's like no and it's like you know, like I've said before, I'm 55 years old and I'm staring at follow-accom. I know. Al-A-ROM. It's kind of like, you know, my... This is horrible. What does my life come to? It started with my daughter was in, like, seventh grade.

And these kids all started following me. Now in high school, like, she went to high school last year. You know, and I remember it was... I was a little wild a few years back, and I was at like a rooftop hotel in a jacuzzi. And I was, you know, I was in Columbia. and my daughter sends me a screenshot and it was like she was in seventh grade and it was her friend saying Jordan do you follow your dad on Snapchat? And I had just posted, you know.

You on the rooftop? Yeah. So she goes, no, I don't. I mean, I remember this text like he was yesterday and it was like, Cam said he's getting head from three girls in a jacuzzi in Colombia. I'm like, and she was like, I hate him so much. Oh, it was like a dagger. It was like a dad. So then like 10 minutes, I'm like, yeah, you girls got to go.

Like, party's over. And then like 10 minutes later, I get a text and it said, what did you do? Delete your story? They screen recorded it. Oh. And that's when I started realizing the power of social media and, you know, the extent. And for the record, that's not what I was doing. I wouldn't, you know, obviously put shit like that.

But, you know, they were in bikinis and a jacuzzi. It was just, you know, it was just content. Yeah, it was content. But, you know, and then at that point I started realizing, you know, everybody is watching cops, people, my daughter goes to school with friends. And then, of course, every once in a while, you know, I'll get that call from a kid like, I didn't go to high school. But, you know, I'll get a call from somebody I hang around when I'm 15, you know what I mean?

And I'm like, I know why this person's calling. It'll be like, Mike, did they call you bean shooter? Yeah, yeah. I get these guys I work with. They love you. They don't believe I know you. And, you know, and I get them a lot now. So the social media thing is, and I'm sure, you know, there's a lot of perks to it, too.

You know, it opens a lot of doors. And, you know, there's some good and bad. But I got to, I've kind of learned how to navigate it with, you know, if I got to think about posting something, it's usually like I'm not going to post it. Right. Because Instagram removes everything. Oh, yeah. We are first, our first TikTok got taken down, you know? Yeah.

Our, um, our Instagram has been taken down before for a few days. And then like, do you remember that? And we didn't know what was going on. And then suddenly it showed back up again. Really? Like, like we could never, we never really figure it. Or did we get an email or we got something? They must have removed the post or something.

I can't remember the details. But yeah, we've had some issues. Yeah. So, um, but it's, it seems like it's going pretty good now. Yeah. Um, it's going to go better after this. Do you get recognized when you're like out? Oh, yeah, constantly, a lot.

And a lot of times, especially around Boston, when I'm somewhere else and somewhere far went, someone recognized me. It happened, you know, in another country. Someone recognized me from a TikTok video that went. Then did you see the video? I know you just looked at my TikTok with his, I'm in the Soba House. And I go, hey, Frankie, how much time did you have you done? And he goes 25 years.

And then someone else goes 25 years. And then I said, you, Bundy. And he goes about the same 24 years. And I'm like, I got like 13. I go, we're almost at the century mark. We can't quit now. Let's go. And someone comes up to me in a bar and he goes, hey, you'll be.

And then one was from Alabama. One was from Manhattan. And he goes, we're almost at the century mark. Let's go. And I was like, wow. You know, getting a lot of times because, and I wish I did this more often, as I'm like making a video and I'm narrating it, I'll go in. This happens all the time. So I'll be like, keep talking.

Why do I know your voice? I know. Oh, I know you are. They'll hear my voice. Yeah. And they'll, they'll know. realize who I am. It happened recently. This poor lady, I went into Walmart and I'm buying something. The lady goes, wait, keep talking. She goes, I know who you are. I follow you.

And my name's, my last name is Lee. It's M. Lee. And they get these little credit card ads, and they always say M. Lee on the card. So they got up in the thing, and I'm filming her, and I'm like zooming in on her face. I'm like, the credit card. And I go, I'd appreciate it if you stop using my name on these credit cards. And she looks like all connections. And she looks like all confused and she doesn't realize I'm filming. I mean, she says she follows me and I'm holding the phone up like this. Right. So she's like, what do you mean?

I said, you know what I mean. You know, and I, whatever, and I post it. So like, a month later. And then she might have had false teeth, apparently. A month later, I walk in Walmart and she goes, I hate you. And I'm like, what do you mean? She goes, you made me look so stupid in that video. I'm like, oh, I go, I'm holding up my phone.

And she goes, I literally thought you were FaceTime and somebody because you were talking. I'll hit up the phone. I'm like, that's what I do. And she goes, I had to ask my son what gluck, gluck meant. Like, like, taking the, like, the comments, I guess the comments went kind of hard, right? Yeah. So I'm like, I'm so sorry. You know, I'm so sorry.

And I'm so sorry. You know, I leave and I'm walking around the store and now I'm really feeling bad, right? So I'm like, I pull out the money. I pull out $100 bill. I like folded up, I cuff it. Now I'm looking. She was sitting with these ladies by the exit. Now she's not there and I'm waiting.

I'm waiting. Walk over the ladies and there's like the Spanish girl where I see her like neck tattoos. I go, excuse me. She's like, yeah, well, how can I help you? I said, you were sitting here with a lady a little while ago. And she got up and walked away. And I go, I've been waiting for her to come back.

And she goes, are you that motherfucker that posted her? Yeah, are you that motherfucker that posted her on social media? I said, yes. I am that motherfucker and I go, uh, she goes, for some reason, I pictured you a lot different. I go, you didn't think I was going to be this handsome. Did you? She goes, no, not that. So I like, open my hand.

I show her $100 bill. I go, hey, listen, I'm just trying to make this right. Right. She goes, all right. She goes, she's on her smoke break. She's either outside or listen that. So I'm looking around walking. And then I come back.

She's like, no, I can't take that. Like you're working. I said, listen, you're taking this. Right. That's how this is going down. You're taking this. And she's like, thank you. And she took it.

She hugged me. She goes, I'll follow you again. I said, I removed the video. You know, so I've had some, you know, had some issues like that. But at least I made that one right, you know. Yeah, we've, I was going to say, we've had some guys who have, like, wanted us to take videos down, like afterward, like, you know, hey, can you take that down? Like, are you out of here? No.

Yeah, it's already the whole, yeah, you'd have to take down the whole. Yeah, not taking that debt, like a two-hour video or, like, are you serious? We had one guy, the member of the, do you want to tell the, the armored truck driver? The remote armaged. He told a story about about robbing like an ATM machine. Like he, you know,

they go and they swap out the money. Yeah. And it was a certain, like a crypto where it did crypto exchange, whatever, but it was, you know, you put money in,

you could buy crypto. I don't know exactly that works. But he, in his mind, so he's like a driver, like a Loomis driver or something. And he said in his mind, he said,

he came, he decided that they didn't really know how much was in the machine for some reason. So one day he shows up and he just takes the money. He, he and his girl, he and his girl go to Miami. He gets there a boob job. They have a vacation. They come back. He walks into work a few days later, you know, whatever week later. And they go, can you come in the office?

He's like, yeah, what's up? They're like, look, do you know anything about this? He's like, no. And they're like, okay. They said, look, we can't prove that you took the money. You know, but we're you, and we're not going to fire you. And then he does the podcast. We're not going to fire you.

They said, but we can make you so unhappy here. You'll wish you were fired. And they said, what do you want to do? He goes, ah, I'll quit. Yeah. And he quit. So then he could, like, it's like a couple months later. He says, yeah, man, I tell you about this thing I did.

I want to come on the podcast. I'm like, okay. And I go, you feel okay with it? You feel, yeah, yeah, they can't do nothing. They didn't do anything. Like it's, it's fine. I'm like, okay, comes on the podcast. We do the whole podcast.

And I mean, as soon as it comes out within, you know, the following day, you know, guys, of course, in the comment section are like, did this motherfucker just admit to robbing this? Like, that's like bank robbery. Like, what are you doing? Like, and so then within a day, he's like, hey, man, listen. Can you take the video down? I'm like, no. And like, that's just how I can't remove the video. It's like, well, can you blur out my face?

And so Colby goes in and blurs out his face. And he was like, can you change the name? He blurs out the name. Like, he starts, can you, and we have to a point where he was just like, yeah, no, like, no, like we're done. Like, what are you talking about? You're going to be fine.

If they were going to press charges. Yeah. And they didn't. They're not going to. And nothing ever did happen, by the way. Yeah. So, but yeah, people were roasting. Yeah.

One of the top comments is, Matt, please keep us posted on this guy's case. It'll be interesting to see what he pleads to. You know, you know the broad's probably long gone with the booge. He told me she broke up with him like a week later. Like a week later she got the boobs and she's like, we're done. I had one where I actually had to remove one. It was a Boston cop.

I called him on the phone during the podcast. I don't tell him I'm recording live. I go, what are you doing? He goes, I'm just sitting here with a dead body. So I said, oh, what happened? And he goes, no, jumper. I go, really? What happened?

He goes, you know, there's a building down like comment. have or something like 14th floor jumped off the building splattered on the sidewalk so I'm like you know I hate when that happens you know and he's like yeah me too personally I would have took the elevator down you know so we laughed and I hung up so I don't tell him dude the podcast comes out like two days later I go home because I'm old now I take nap sometimes right I mean so I go home and I wake up and there's like 15 missed calls from like my friend who's friends with this Boston cop and this Boston cop right I wake up my daughter's like waking me up hey everyone you know and then there's someone outside and it's it's this guy drove like i looked 30 minutes

he drove to lull he's like i do it like dude you're gonna take that down a few two right now like 10 minutes ago they're gonna take that down like he's like i'll get fired you not and then he explained to me ever since like the kobe thing where some cops like took pictures of cobi bryan's helicopter like when there's like a death scene like that yeah you know like you know and he's like are you mental you know what he goes are you recording me now you fuck i go fuck i go fuck i've never surreptitiously recorded anybody in my life. I just, you just called me during your podcast.

You don't figure you wouldn't let me know. So that was the one, I had to take it down and then put it back up. But that was, you put it back out. Oh, you did. It was, yeah, it was a podcast thing. And he's like, thank God, nobody, nobody,

it was only on like an hour. He's like, nobody saw it or, you know, screen recorded it or anything. He still hasn't heard nothing. So, all right. You know what you need, or you should at least test is the Rayban Glass. You just click and it records.

iPhone quality and audio. Yeah. Yeah, I can show you some clips. I got a pair of my car. It's not charged up. Is your car locked? Yeah. But it recorded.

I don't think you lock your car in this neighborhood. It'll record for like one to two minutes. It does. All it is, it has like a little light on it, like a little white light that you can see this recording. But, you know, you know what we do with that with the black, the black electrical tape over the white white. And it's pretty good. Like, I'll show you some videos.

Can you cover the light? Or is that right where the camera hole is, too? I think you can, you can probably figure it out how to cover it. But, I mean, it's not that noticeable. I can, uh... Or you could get that black store yesterday in the mall, too. You could get that just a black paint pin and just tap it over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, permanent ink and phone.

Yeah, just, boop, is a little button inside, boop. You can click, talk, and you can hear everything. Oh, my, I'm going to take it to the next level. Because then you don't have to, yeah, you don't have to do anything. You just, p.m. Yeah. Be right back in the jacuzzi with them three hours in Columbia. The Rayvan's on.

What's the story? Maybe it's just, I don't know, bean shooter. Is that like a specific term terminology? Yeah, we could have went over that. You know how much shit I get with that? So bean shooter is in like Brooklyn and Staten Island. It's like a cap of a bullshit or someone who's like, I went out and I fucked six girls last night.

I wrote the bank. I got a hundred grand. I get the fuck. So when I was in rehab in Florida, I made a kid from Staten Island, New York. And he's like, hey, Mike, don't fuck with that guy. He's a bean shooter. And I go, what? well you don't know what a bean shooter is in boston

i go i go come on i feel like the kids in south park when they didn't know what a quiff was like no i don't know what a bean shooter is he goes just a captain someone was always talking shit telling lies so at the time i was like calling everyone a bean shooter it was like a joke shut up your bean shooter right i had my snapchat bean shooter and then i didn't know my social media would have uh you know grow and grow and and then people are always asking you and now i'm stuck with bean shooter yeah my kid's mother's like but you're the exact opposite of that you're the realist i haven't met I'm like, I know.

I don't know. I don't know. It's slipped up as a joke. Yeah. So, yeah, that's what a bean shooter is. People think all kinds of shit. Like my daughter, my daughter was in school, kids were wearing bean shooter, and they're like, I didn't know we're still gone.

Yeah. Like, you just don't know what Colby's going to do. They're like, you know, people can't wear, kids can't wear bean shooter shirts. And I'm like, why not? And then the assistant principal was there or some girl in the office is like, oh, well, you know, the principal said he knows what it means. I go, really.

poor daughter. You've been a real problem for her. I remember I was, when she first went to the school, she's in like seventh grade, a sixth grade, I go in and the secretary's in the office, and she's like, okay, thank you. All right, all right, thanks, Mr. Lee. And then she goes, should I call you a bean shooter? I'm like acting all proper. You know what I mean? Like, I'm trying to pull this hole. I'm just like, ah, this lady follows me. She knows my whole, my whole life. You know, I'm trying to act like a normal human being. Something will never be. Right. I'm trying to fake it here.

But yeah, yeah. Yeah. I was going to ask about your sister. Do you want to talk about that? Oh, yeah. I'd love to. Oh, yeah. All I know in the beginning, you said she heard of book back or something.

So my sister, I think I always outshined her as far as scholarly. No, I'm just kidding. What is what? She always wanted to go to prison. but I was the only one. But no, like attention-wise, you know, negative attention, whatever. And she was older than me. And she ended up working.

She moved to, like, L.A., and she was, like, working in Hollywood. I don't know. Maybe holding a boom, Mike. Like, I don't know. She was, like, infatuated with that. And I met this actor and that actor. And she got on these shows. And I was always in prison.

And years later, like, we never got along. But it wasn't like we hated each other. Just never close. And then she started messaging me. I got in this, I've been in a few high-speed chases. is like good ones that one of them was on camera. I ran the cruiser and I got away. And so she called me up.

She's like, I'm working on as a, you know, maybe production assistant. I don't know. On the show, why I ran. And she's like,

and she's doing like you. I wish I knew how to do these freedom of information acts. Right. She's like, I did this thing and there's this chase you're in and I want to have you come in. And my father says like, you should get on there. You know,

they'll give you, you know, 300 bucks and put you up in hotel. I go, yeah, and go on TV and look like an asshole. Right. Yeah,

look like a, with my kids watching it. You're like, well, you know, I snatched a purse and I fucking, you know, like, get the out of here. I ain't going on there for that. And then I was in, I was in county jail and I was in segregation. I was in the hole for a while. And I got a letter from her.

And she's like, you know, I want to write a book about your life. I think it'll be funny. And she wanted me to sign some release. And I remember a couple guys and they're like, dude, you sign it's a best sellist. And I'm like, nah, you don't know my sister. Right. And I said, so I write back, I'm glad you think my life's funny. Right now I'm in segregation where I'm locked in a cell, 23 hours a day, you know,

24 hours a day on the weekends, three showers a week. I says, my life's really not a barrel of laughs where I'm sitting. I'm like, yeah, respectfully decline. You're offered to write a book about me. And I sent it, and she went ahead and wrote a book anyway and made it like a memoir. I changed my name, but when you read it, you can tell it's, you know. And in the book, it's just like the book, just the first page of the book says, my brother overdosed again. My father come home and found him, you know, overdosed hanging out of the bathtub.

And, you know, when he came to him in the hospital, he ripped all the wires out. And I remember I yanked a catheter out once. Oh. So one time, I was pulling a catheter once. A guy come in. He goes, no, stop doing that. He goes, there's like a bubble at the end. They blow it up.

He goes, you could have just rip you. I was like, well, get this thing out. You know, I've been intubated where I pulled that out, and she's in the first page of the book goes, he pulled all the wires out and walked out of the hospital in a Johnny with my ass hanging. You were talking about that earlier. I literally left the hospital a few times like your father with nothing on with the Johnny. Right. And she goes, he walked out of the hospital like James Ones and the thing and da-da-da-iron.

That time I actually walked out of the hospital and I'm walking out with the Johnny on. And there's a guy walking by me holding up a couple of pizzas, like a Domino's pizza delivery guy. So I looked, I just saw the car running. So I just hopped in with the Johnny on my ass hanging out. Boom, put it in first gear. It was a steering drove away. I looked at it's one of those, like, you know, those boxes? They put the pizzas in in the back.

They're like, keep them warm. I check it. There's like three pizza. I'm just driving. I'm driving away. My father's calling me like, what did you just do? They called me like, what did you steal a car with the pizza guy? I go, no.

He goes, yeah, you did. They know, they saw you're at the hospital. Well, you did not. But, yeah, so my sister just destroyed me in that. book and when it came out, I like called her up. I'm like, you know, when I see you, because she made me look really bad. I know that's tough to do. I know. You didn't give her. I didn't contribute to any of it. There was no ammunition on my part. She made it like, you know, I beat her up. I mean, I'm two years younger there. I don't even care if it's sister. When you have nine and ten, someone's 12, you're not beating them up. Right.

You know, she really, she really made me look bad. And she got the book published, which didn't do good at all. Unlike Sean Wick, she didn't get no big deposit. It was one of those self-written books. You know, you can publish on Amazon. So she had that book published. And now, you know, she's living out in L.A. And I come in my father's room one time.

And now I bought a house cash and made it to solve a home. I got 13 guys in that house, you know, 200 a week. I bought a second home. It's worth $700,000. I only owe $90,000 on it. The other one, I have no mortgage. I get the construction company. I opened a massage pile of someone that I'm just selling that half of the business now.

And now I go in my father's room one day. He's like, daughter, I can't keep sending you money for your rent. And I'm like, oh. Because the book, she just trashes me in the book. And I remember reading the comments of the book and the comments, you know, calling me a miscreant. and one of the comments was I might have been in the description of the book her nerd do well brother

did you ever hear that? N-mm-n-N-N-U-L Do you ever hear that one? What is that? Nerd-do-well. What does that mean? I mean, I don't know. Can you tell me?

It's like N-E-A-R-A-R-A-A-R-A-O-W-E-L-L. It's probably like Shakespeare a language, I don't know. N-E-A-A-R. Yeah. D-O-O-W-E should be coming up. Oh, a nerd-do-well. A person who is late, a person who is lazy and irresponsible.

That's it. I'm a nerd-d-well- Why would you just say irresponsible? I didn't know what I mean. Oh, I know. I'm saying, why didn't she say that? Why would you? Yeah, all this bullshit. And, yeah, they destroyed me.

So I ended up, I put that on my social media once, too, and destroyed her in the comments. So I could read it. before. Sean Wake, which I've already been down this road. I will take to, I'll take this book down on one star. Had my fans all go buy the book and leave legit, like a bunch of, uh, uh, reviews. Yeah. So, so, so one time I, I, I go in my house and I was with my girlfriend at the time, and my father goes, I haven't heard from your sister and, you know, maybe I shouldn't have did this. Maybe I shouldn't have put it. Maybe I shouldn't have put her phone number on my, oh, man, Instagram. So he goes, I, uh, he says, I haven't heard from your sister. And, you know, he's, I haven't

heard from your sister in a month and her phone's going right to voicemail and I don't know what's wrong. I don't know. And then my girlfriend goes, I know what the fucking happened. She goes, you're a fan. She drove her great. And then all of a sudden, like, an hour later, she called you goes, what? People are threatening you? People are threatening your life?

And she changed her number. She won't even give my father a phone number now. She'll call him. Like, she's afraid I'm going to get the number. And I'm like, good. You know, it's, you know, people might watch you go, oh, what an asshole. But the stuff she wrote about me in that book, which, you know, there were some truths, but a lot of untruths, Matt. And so, yeah, now she's out in L.A. and I saw one thing where she was living, and it was like some apartment in Hollywood where it was like, almost like a room in house.

It was like one Murphy bed. You get the bed, you like pull out of the wall. And I'm like, she made me like, like, I was such a, you know, she put, oh, he had a beautiful daughter that he abandoned. at birth and like she trashes me in the book. So it's another little, like Shelly Murphy from the Boston Globe when she called me up and was talking about Sean Hicks, you know, she's telling me a little bit about yourself. And I was telling, she goes, well, you actually do have a redemption story. Right.

Yeah, unlike him. Right. You know, this whole, you know, perpetuating a fraud. So it's good that now my sister, you know, I'm doing so good because she never saw it coming, you know, never saw her coming. Was your first order of business to make money when you got out? Could you, did you get your real estate license again? Who?

No. You can never get it again or you just didn't want to? No, I could because I have a felony. Well, yeah, you can have a felony and get your real estate license. Matter of fact, one of my co-defendants has her real estate license. In Florida, most places you cannot get it if it's an act of moral turpitude, which means you took advantage of like a situation or a bank. You took advantage of being in a position of trust.

You took advantage. So, and mine's so extensive. Like, this chick has one charge of, like, wire fraud, you know? Like, mine is so, there's so many charges. They would never. They would never. For good reason. Like, I don't blame them.

It's not like, no, no, I'm all better now. Now, I hear you. I don't feel like I'd do anything, but I don't want to be tempted. But, yeah, when I first got out, I, in the halfway house, I worked at a gym. my buddy's gym, got out, moved in this to a, like a rooming house. And in the room, like in one of the other rooms was a sheriff's, like a sheriff's, like a chick that worked for the sheriff's department. She was going through a divorce.

But anyway, I lived in this spare room and I started selling paintings. You know, you saw the paintings. Yeah. I just, because I did a bunch of podcasts, so people were reaching out to me and then they would go to my Instagram. They would see me paintings and stuff. Not the one you're, not the one I just followed you. Yeah.

Not that one. Another one was called Cox Pop Art. So I started selling, you know, I started selling paintings. And then that slowly transitioned into doing speaking engagements. Oh, really? And doing the, doing YouTube. Like it's just slow. I mean, it's amazing how it just generally, you know,

because I didn't have to make a bunch of money when I first got out. I'm living in someone's spare room. And you're so appreciative too, just eating a cheeseburger from McDonald's. Oh, man. It's thrilled. It's not real. I'm laying in bed, laying in bed, you know, on. on YouTube, watching a whole movie on YouTube and just happy as a clamber.

I'm just thrilled. Yeah, people don't get down. People get out. They just like, oh, what's you going to do? I go, you know, he's happy right now. Trust me. Yeah. He'll figure it out, you know.

Oh, I told you this. This is, yeah, I said this the other day. It was like, you know, I'm slowly getting spoiled. Like, I won't fly Spirit Airlines anymore. I have horrible, horrible experience. Back when I was doing the perk runs, back and for never again. Get stuck on the time act for two hours twice. I get up, I almost got arrested on the plane.

I'm like, don't listen to them. They're going to tell you it's going to be 20 minutes. They don't even have their own gate. They're going to debaward that whole plane. Fill it up. Luggage. You're going to be here an hour. Then don't tell them you can't go the bathroom.

I had a federal marchion when I get off the plane. Yeah, I went nuts. I'm like, it's so hot until you can't move, stay in your seat. I was like, hell no. I'm up. I'm walking around. I can't do this with spirit. But, you know, when money's tight, like, oh, 100 bucks.

Yeah. Yeah. I can be uncomfortable. Yeah. Yeah, I can find a phone booth. I've been on the hole for six months straight. I mean, I can, but little did I know, I was wrong. I would have probably rather do the six months of flying spirit alien.

I was trying to think. What was the other thing? I said, I can't do it. I was like, I can't do this anymore. It was something else where it was like, I won't do that anymore. There are certain things I just, I'm at the point now. I'm like, yeah, I can't do that anymore. I can't do this anymore.

What was, oh, man, it was. Oh, man, I can't remember it. It was something, fuck, I can't remember. It was another stupid thing that I'm like, that's it. I'm done. We're not buying these anymore. From now on, we're paying for this. Yeah, it's not worth it.

When you were talking about the moral turpitude. Right. Moral turpitude. Yeah. Turpitude. I had a thing with a real estate agent in Florida. Where when I was, so when I first got out of the rehab, I was, like I said, I was in public stealing the rain slicker, you know, the perks. My mind is, you know, making some money.

And I ended up trying to get in an apartment. I did a couple of things, a couple of shady things. here in Florida. I was a little, so I go to look at this apartment, and I made a bunch of money, did a little score, had some money to get a place, and I go to this real estate agent, so I give her this song and dance because years ago, if you had fucking $5 grand in your pocket, yeah, his first last security, whatever, now it's like, you know, they look, you haven't been evicted, you've got a criminal record, I'm like, I've never realized it's this hard to rent an apartment.

So I go in this place and I says, hey, my father's old and he's coming down to Florida, and he's, sent me in here to rent this apartment and I can put you on the phone with him. So I thought, what a friend of mine, a kid from South Boston, was with me, Mikey Allen, and we're going to see this lady and she, you know, she likes us and we get to talk in. And why don't I just run your, you know, your record? You're going to be there with him. And I'm like, no, I got a drunk driving conviction from six years ago. And, you know, it won't, you know, it won't.

We're trying to get away from this conversation as fast as I can. head about running my criminal right you should just run i said no no it's just going to be for my my father anyway and i look at this place it's right near pompano beach i mean it's right there on the beach it's a nice little place and she's renting it out and finally my father and my other friend spiro the real estate agent afterwards he he's talking her on the phone so he signs the lease she faxes that everything's done this and that so now i'm like you know trying to take her out to eat she's kind like you, you know, so I'm hitting on her. And so finally she goes, why don't we just run your record, just so we know. So now the lease is signed, the money, the check's gone, right? I says,

lady, listen, you run my thing? I said, that printer will run out of ink. You know, I mean, the cat's out of, you know, right? I don't care. I get the apartment. She goes, really? I go, oh, yeah, really. She goes, it's like that? I go, yeah, it's like that. I said, but you know what? You get nothing to worry about. This is from my father. You know, he doesn't have a record. You already ran it. He actually got raided by the state police. And I was like, kid for booking, but it's 100 years ago. She's like, now everything's fine, da-da-da.

I go back to Boston and what my friend out to eat. She calls me up. Mike? Yeah. You know, her name was like Ricky. I've been like Ricky. Say, Clyman. It was like a Jewish name. You know, I've been, I just, my company just had me doing ethics class.

I don't like where this is going with Ricky. I do not like where this conversation is going right now. I says, The apartments for my father? No, it's not. And what I'm doing is wrong. And it's really bothering me. And so now my friend gets on the phone and he's, you know, broke a real estate agent.

And he's talking to her like, what you did wasn't ethical. I still remember I was eating chicken pie and I'm listening to him. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she isn't budging. She says, no, I'm going to give you your money back for this apartment. So now I get on the phone and I says, listen, I'm going to be getting off a plane tomorrow. And I got no way to stay in Florida. You know, so you better have a pot.

You know, so now I kind of kick it up, I think, right? So I get off. She goes, I'll pick you up in the airport. I'm going to put you up in a hotel for a month. It's like a nice hotel. So I'm like, well, this lady got money. I'll have your money back. So now I says, listen, I want $5,000 I gave you.

I want another $5,000. And I want a month. Okay, no problem. Now I'm like, all right, I set the hook. Now I'm like, this lady, you got money. Jesus. The extortion. scam. My God.

Yes. So now I get her for $10,000. I'm in the hotel. Call her up after like a week. I said, you know, I've been thinking about it. I really want this apartment. I already signed that lease. And then, oh, no, please, isn't that? I get it for another three. Now it's going on, right? Now I'm with this

kid, Bobby Gambino from Staten Island. Bobby Gambino. Rest in peace, Bobby Gambino. Flipping money with him. I'll tell you that scam with him. They hit him up style scams we did down there. He was a master of it. So I show up at her office with this kid, Bobby Gambino.

Now he's jacked off. I said, this is my friend Bobby Gambino. He says, I just want to let you know. So now I already got. You walk in and just say Gambito. She's already writing a check. So now I said, I just want to let you know. Ricky, I got no more problem with you.

I know you gave me all this money and this and that. But she gave a deposit for that apartment that was like non-refundable. I said, it just doesn't sit well with me that this got, you know, $2,500 or $2,000 the money she put down for the place. I think he kept the whole thing, like the $5,000, whatever it was. I go, it doesn't sit well with me.

So my friend here made an appointment to go look at this apartment. We're looking at it today at 2 o'clock, and I'm grabbing this clock sucker and I'm getting my $5 grand back, even though you replaced it on it. It just, I said, it just doesn't sit well with me, but this little puk got $5 grand for nothing.

and it's my money. She's like, please no, please no, I'll lose me. I'll lose my leg, you know, I'll give you another five. Oh, my God. Bro, you're a horrible human being. Listen, it was a tough time in my life. Sounds like it's a tough time of her life. So I remember I'm in the hotel and I'm like, now I'm with the kid, Mikey,

I'll hit me again. I'm like, now I'm thinking she's going to come in wearing a wire or something. Now I'm starting to worry. I'm like, it's getting, you know, she comes in. Now I'm always hitting on her. trying to get out to eat and I come in. I'm sitting there like watching TV in the bed. She goes, hey Mike.

Hey, Ricky. I go, Ricky, come in, you know, come on in. She's like, I just, no, no. I go, I know. It's really, it's terrible. I can see you feel horrible about it. I just have to talk to you. Just before I give this, I just have to talk to you.

Now I'm a little worried. She said, you this sounds like that. I come out. This is the last time I'm going to have to pay you, right? Yeah. No, at the end of the. thing. There's like a little washing and dry in the room when she comes in. She goes, please

just do this for me. I go, what? And this really happened. She goes, just raise your right hand. You go, what? Like I was under oath. Right. She goes, just swear to me, I will not ask for any more money regarding this will happen. I'm just like,

Mickey, this is it. Don't worry. I'm not going to be calling you back. Yeah. Maybe I shouldn't have told that story. Right. I was going to be like, I really like this guy. I was ready to invite him over the house for the Fourth of July weekend bash. And I was shaking down my fellow real estate people.

Oh, no. Listen, first of all, I wasn't a real estate agent. I couldn't stay in real estate agents. They were about useless. But, you know, mortgage brokers. I liked mortgage brokers because they were basically shysters. So, yeah, down in Florida, after that real estate agent, you know, treated me like that. that was terrible.

I've gotten over it, though. Fucking horrible. Yeah, Bobby Gambino, they hit him up, hit him up style. And we used to do, we used to do a form of this back home, just like a flim-flam type of scam, you know, but it adds up. And he would do it with banks, with like $100 bills. And he wouldn't, he wouldn't show me exactly how he did it. But I knew this whole flim-flam from doing it back home is you'd go to, like, you'd go to, like, like a drive-through, like a Dunkin' Donuts.

And we used to have like 50 small coffees in the back on the floor and you pull up. Usually some young girl working, you know, and give me a small coffee and give them a $20 bill. And when they hand you the change, you'd cuff the $10 bill and you just hold up the five and the three ones and say, you only gave me change for a 10. Right. You know, that type of deal. And a lot of times they just go on the register and give you 10. Then, you know, then after a while, you got someone who's been handed. hit with it before and they're like, you know, I bet if I go out and open your door, there's a $10 bill right there.

They start getting you, but he'd do things like that with like $100 bills and $50 bills in banks. And I'd be driving around him all day, and he wouldn't show me exactly what he'd do, but it was a slight of hand. Right. Basically a slight of hand scam, you know, and he was making a couple grand a day when he'd go do it. But then we started having to go on father and father and driving around, you know. But yeah, Bobby Gambino. Yeah. As you said, did you ever see the movie?

criminal? No. The guy, he would go somewhere and order a coffee and a Danish, whatever, and he'd sit there, and then he would, he'd have somebody else go in first and

buy something with a $100 bill. But he'd tear the corner of the hundred would be torn off. Oh, and he'd get a favorite one. Right. And so, then he'd pay, he'd get his coffee and whatever, he'd pay with a 20, and then he'd come back and he, or he wouldn't pay at all. And he'd say, hey, you know, hey, hey,

hey, you know, Jim, he'd go, to the waiter, he'd go, where's my change? And they would say, he'd go, oh, you haven't paid yet. He goes, I just paid you. I just paid you with a $100 bill. Where's my change? And the guy would be like, sir, you did not pay me. So he throws a scene and the manager comes over and he goes, I just paid him. He goes, he walked off.

He's gone for 10 minutes. I just paid him with $100 bill. And he's like, look, I'm telling you, I had a $100 bill. Now I don't have it. Oh, look, there. I got a corner. The corner fell off. I'll bet you if you check the register right now,

you got a $100 bill in there with the corner. That's what I'm, he didn't bring me my change. So the manager goes and checks it and there's a $100 bill with the corner. And so he gives you the change for whatever you got. Even if they think it's a scam, they can't really explain. He's throwing such a fit.

Yeah. You know, he's like, call the cops. Call the cops. Like if the cops show up, this doesn't sound good. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And then they give him the change. He leaves.

He goes from one place to another to another. He just does it. He had all these scams all day long that he would just do. It's really an interesting movie. I mean, in the end, he gets scammed, but boy, it's a good movie, too. Really? You'd love it, too. You'd love this movie, too. When did that come out?

Criminal. I never even heard of it. 10, no, maybe 10, about 10, 15 years. It's like any flick or was it big? It was, so the guy in it is a, he's a main actor, but he's typically a secondary actor. He's the main actor in this. So, he was like, you remember in the, stepbrothers.

He's one of the stepbrothers. In Talladega Nights, he's his best friend. He's the guy with the curly hair. Yeah. John C. Riley. Is that him? Yeah.

He's the main criminal. And he's great. He's great. He's good. He is good. All day long, he's just one scam after a nut. Like he pulls up and gets gas and then he waits for some woman to, you know, move or car, do something. And he falls down.

He's like, you just hit me with your car. What did you do? She's like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I didn't see. you and they and he's like oh what that what's going on it he ends up getting her to pay for his gas like it's like why do this whole thing for $20 in gas he's like why pay for gas yeah you know like he's but he does it all day long he's got these little tiny scams yeah they add up and we'll take that story that mad just said and make it a tic-tock like he's telling him that like he did it or he

know somebody that did it yeah and then it'll go viral because all the comments will say this guy's repeating the movie he's just staying the point of the movie that didn't happen it Listen, if we say a TikTok, if there's a TikTok where I sound like I'm lying about something or people go nuts. Like if you watch the whole video, you realize I'm telling you a story about this. Guys would be like, that's a lie that he's talking about a movie. That's the moose script there. He never did nothing.

They doesn't know anything. People are crazy with the comments, right? But that'll end up getting 2 million views. Yeah, that's the traction, right? People start talking and sending it to everybody else. Yeah, it's like half the people think it's an interesting story. Half of people think it's in our story and the other half are enraged in the comments.

Yeah. You know. Right. And then they start, I love it when the guys stand up for me. Yeah. And they're like, bro, you don't, you didn't watch the whole thing.

He's not saying that to his story. And then, you know, this is Matt Cox. He knows what he's talking about. And they're like, they'll defend me. And it's like, no, he's right. That's not my story.

Like, why are you defending me? Yeah. It is somebody else's a story. Um, so Tijuana. TJ? Yeah. we got to get to this story I know

I just text I just text my wife I was like you might have to go pick up I don't know how long my four year of might have to Uber home Yeah So Tijuana Have you ever been to Tijuana?

No I've been to Acapoco I've been to Cozumel But yeah Just a tourist place Like I've never been Yeah

Any places potentially Dangerous. Yeah, I go to the dangerous places. You know, and people like, you know, in the slums and Medellin or something. I'm like, you know, that's just, that'll be great for the story, you know? You know, you can die with a knife in your belly in the gutter and Medellian. It's better than like being in some old age home, not knowing, like, not knowing who the

I am, you know what I mean? I remember we went to, I was on the run and we went to, we went to, um, we went to, Jamaica, State of the Ritz. And remember we took a taxi somewhere and we're in the taxi. We're like, hey, we want to go someplace like not touristy, like a regular town. Like, what's the closest town? The guy was like, oh, it's so and so. And we were like, yeah, we want to go there.

And he's anything. I look back at us. He goes, no, you don't. And we're like, yeah, he's like, no, you're not going there. He's like, I'm not taking it. He's, I don't go there. Yeah. He said, if I took you there and dropped you off, he said, you wouldn't last five minutes.

Like, what was there another town that's safer? He said, you're in the town that's safer. He said, the tourist towns. And he named off the tourist towns. He's like, that's where you can go. He was like, don't get cute. One of the last times I went to Bogota, I'm in the airport. I know this family that lives in this neighborhood in Bogota.

And I get in the taxi like the Uber and he knows where I'm going. He turns around. He says, you know, you know where you're going? Yeah. He says, well, there's not a lot of tourists that go to that part of town. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, he's thinking, this idiot did something, thinking there's a hotel or something. You know, he has no clue.

And he drives me to the street and I get out and I'm knocking on the door. And people I know weren't there. I need to call them. And then they come out from down the street, and they got two places there. And he sat there in the car. It was like 11 at night. And then he drove away, like, after when he saw someone come out, like that, me up and shake my hand. I'm like, that was cool, though.

Yeah, you're thinking, this guy's going to get hurt. Like, I'm better not, I don't want to abandon him. Yeah. So, you know, that was nice. You don't look like somebody. That fits in there. Yeah. Like, it's not like you're going to blow up. He'll blend in.

And what was they going to say? Oh, Tijuana. and back to Tijuana. I was in Tijuana one night, and my friend, like my friend Greg lived in San Diego, so I used to go there a lot. And there's an area,

Arizona, north zone, where there's some strip clubs down there, and I was in a club out of leaders. And when I got there, there was this guy who was like a hick, you know, he was from, like, Kentucky,

and he's like, hey, do you know, you know, I want to see, like, the donkey shows. And, you know, all that sheer people say that they hear the stories.

I go, I'll take you where you want to go to the, you know, strip club and Hong Kong club and Adelaide's. And I was doing the credit card scams at the time. Right. So I had on, like, I remember I had a Mavato watch, like with a diamond in it and like $3,500. And I had these like a track suit. I'm a big track suit guy. Now, I can picture you.

You know, I come back. I'm going to get you a nice track suit, right? Yeah, oh, yeah. We're going out like stepbrothers. We're going to, you know, track suits. So I got this track suit. suit. And a lot of times when I go to places like this, I get the zipper up pockets.

Because, you know, the scams, the pick pockets, and especially your phone, especially in this day and age, they get your phone vacation over. Your whole life's on that time. Like game over. I'm going home if my phone gets parked. So I got like my right pocket. I got like $3,500 bucks or like a rubber band around it. And this pocket, I probably got, you know, $40, 50 bucks. I'm buying beers, $1.1 change.

You know, I'm not pulling out a knot until you want to, you know, buy a couple of aces. So I take him into the strip club, and it's like a whole house, you know, upstairs. You went to Rome. It's like, whatever. So the guy comes to me, and he says, hey, I want to take these girls upstairs. And he goes, I don't know. I need another 40 bucks. And, you know, I should have just gave it to him.

But he's like, can you come with me across the street to the ATM? I don't know this neighborhood. And something like, all right, you know, I walk outside with him. And right when I walk outside, you know, a couple of street urchins. coming over to me. And one, he was definitely white guy. Looks like he lived in the streets of Tijuana forever. Spoke fluent Spanish with this other Mexican.

And you can go in the pharmacies down there. But like on Revolution, where all the tourists go, you can get like volumes and clonopens. But back then it was the OC80s, the Oxycontins were out. And I was just not around again. You know, so I'm like, hey, what can you get the OCs for? Because they're talking to me. And one of them's like, oh, I can get them for like, you know, eight bucks or 12 bucks. I forget what he said.

And I'm like, and then the other one goes, get them for 30 bucks. Because they were like 80 apiece on the street back. So I'm like, all right, this guy's telling the truth. This guy's just trying to rob me. So I'm talking to him. And as I'm talking to him, I see the federal rallies rolling across the street. And they pull over. And one of them jumps out.

And it's like a far away across the street. He's sprinting towards us like he's running a 50-yard dash. And now at the time I'm thinking, oh, you know, one of these guys, you know, they must be looking for. No, he's, I might as well have a neon sign on my head flashing, you know, big money sign. Gringo standing here in the, you know, bad neighborhood. He charges me, boom, the, the federali car whips around. He grabs me and he like, almost like picks me up, like slams me on the hood of the car. Immediately cuffs me in the front.

Like, what the fuck, right? So now they get the other guy coming out of the ATM. He was getting money. And the other two guys. Now he unzips my pocket and I'm looking down. I see him take out the knot. That's gone. Yep, zips it back up.

Goes in this pocket. I remember he throws it's all ones and like some change. And he takes a bunch of it, he puts it in his pocket and he takes five two ones and a bunch of quarters I had. And he scoops it up. And his hand goes back in my pocket and he zips it back up. And I just remember looking down thinking, wow, that's kind of strange. I mean, why the fuck you give me that? So he stuffs me in the car and the other guy I'm with.

And these two fucks, right? So now I'm like, I had just gotten out of prison. And I live with my father. My father would always take me back in. And I told him I was going over some girls' house in New Hampshire for a few days. And I fly because I'm meeting my connection, Donatia Warner. I'm starting the drug thing over again. That's my whole mission, down there.

That's why I'm there. So he doesn't know where I am. And it was January 15th, even 2000. That's my father's birthday January 15th. And I'm in the back of this kind. The first thing I'm thinking is, I'm just not. I'm not calling my father. On his birthday?

Yeah. Yeah, hey, I'm not in New Hampshire. I'm actually in Tijuana, jail, and I need someone. So I'm just now, I'm fired up. Somewhere along the line, we lose the dirty-looking gringo. And it's me, the other guy and this little Mexican dude who, after he really, he sent me up. He works with the cops or whatever. He can speak English.

He can speak Spanish. So now he says, I know how we can get out of this. So we're cupped. Yeah, I'm coming the front now. I whip my arms up. I said, don't say we to me, you motherfucker. Because I'm already thinking I'm going to jail and I'm going to fight someone right away. Right.

I'm getting this out of the way. Because like you said, you look at me. I'm sitting there like, Opie. You know, I'm like, I'm going in a prison mode immediately. Right. And I'm fighting someone as soon as I get in the hold. And so probably getting me. I didn't think Opie, but I just thought you're not Mexican clearly.

Yeah. So I got the, I got the, I got the elbow up. Now the clock turns around. Oh, you're a tough guy? You're a tough guy? I'm like, no, I'm not a tough guy. You're a Marine?

Because a lot of Marines in San Diego. And they go over there and get drunk, and they're always getting in trouble. You kept asking me, you're a Marine. No, no, I'm not a Marine. I'm not a Marine. So now the other guy from, like, you know, Poh dunk, Kentucky, what do, would we do? He keeps crying.

I'm like, so fine, like, just shut the fuck up. Like, we're in the back of a police guy in Mexico. Like, let's just see how this plays out, you know. Oh, what do you do? pulls us all out. He's really, you know, roughhouse him. He slams me off the car again, but some reason he's got, you know,

get it off me. He unzips my pocket. He sticks his hand in. He throws it on the hood of the car that looks like a half ounce or like quarter ounce, a big bag of a with my five and two ones and change, right? And he says, oh, you're in a lot of trouble now, my friend, you know, and he's looking at him. So now I'm cuffed and I'm just staring at him.

Like, I know he wants me to start groveling, you know. That ain't mine. I never saw it. You know, he just planted it on me, right? So I'm just like, I'm just looking at him. I'm not saying a word like, all right, you know, where do we go from here? So now the other guy, oh, why do you should have told me you had that? I'm just like, just shut the fuck up, you.

I don't even know you. I'm in this whole gym because of you because I'm a nice guy, you know? So shut the fuck up. So now I'm going back and forth at him. They throw us back in the car. Turns around. He says, who has the ATM card? So now I speak up.

I says, hey, man, I don't got. no bank card. I don't got no ATM card. I had a pocket full of money that you've got. All right? So you can talk to him about ATM cards because I don't got one. Oh, I have one. So now they take him. Most of the ATM, whatever. Max, you can take out 400, 400 again before they shut him off. They get his money. He's gone. Now I'm driving around with this little fuck who set me up. And like we drive down a block, take a right. We see the cop who's in the car, like running full speed across the street, grabbing somebody up against the wall, shaking them down.

I feel like I'm tripping on asses. It's like a movie. Like, this guy's going to be flying on meth, this little dirty Mexican cop, you know? This federali. He's running around with driving around. Finally he gets back in. So I tell him again, I go, hey, man,

you got me for all you can get. He's driving around, drive around. Now they're speaking in Spanish. Now I'm scared. You know, I start thinking crazy. Take you in a hotel, cut your head off, fucking. Right. Who knows?

Radio. Like, no, I'm thinking. all this crazy stuff. Right. You know, no one knows where I am, except these Mexicans who gave me a cell phone the day before.

I told him they're going to call me. Say, I was restaurant time. That's when this was. So I'm driving around. Now he starts heading, like at the highway stay, he started heading towards Rosarito,

Mexico. Now I'm really scared. Like, hey, man, take me the Tijuana, like where are we going? And they're talking in Spanish, talking in Spanish, talking in Spanish,

talking in Spanish, like an hour driving. I'm freaked the fuck out now. Like, they're not taking me to jail. And take me somewhere and shoot me in the head. Finally, they get off driving through this barrio, it's like bad. Now it's like three in the morning, people in the street.

I mean, it's like the slums. All of a sudden he turns around and he says, you're lucky. And he gives the guy the handcuff key next to me, a little Mexican. I go, yeah, I'm real lucky. I'm going to play the number tonight as soon as I get back to civilization. So he goes here, gives him the handcuff key. Now I got this track suit on long sleeves. He pulls up the sleeve to take the cuff off.

I got the Mavado watch. Now I'm not thinking nothing. So he's around with the keys. Like, now he's speaking in English for my benefit. It's like watching a B movie. He's like, I can't get this key to work. And then the caught in the front is like, these people, they're so stupid.

I'm like, the fuck's happening right now. Like, I know something's way off. Like they're speaking, they're just speaking in Spanish for a half hour. And he opens the door and he like, he like feints. Like he hits the guy in the stomach of the billy club. The guy's like, ooh. It was like, really. It was like watching a bad movie.

Then he pulls up my thing. And it's like if I just reached over and just undid your watch and just ripped it off your wrist. I was like, oh, you little motherfucker, you know, and he says it again. He goes, you're lucky. The fuck out of here. I go, hey, man, two things. He's like, what? I said, you took my cell phone.

There was no cell phone towers in Tijuana in 2000, 2001. You'd leave California. You go across the border. Your cell phone don't work. They didn't work, you know? And they gave me that phone the day before, and they were going to call me the next day with some drugs. and, you know, I take a train back. I says, hey, listen, man, my mother's sick in the hospital, you know,

that's the only phone that you can reach me on. It's no good to you. Because what else? I said, I don't know where the fuck I am, man. He turns around, he reaches in the car, and he flings the phone at me. It's me in the chest, bends on. I pick it up. I go, thank you.

He goes, see that street down there? Take a right. Borders that way, three miles. Good night. He gets in the con, con, drive away. I'm like, what the fuck here I am in a blue track suit, whiter than a cup of milk, jogging through this neighborhood in Tijuana.

I get to the border. I'm like, people are still coming across, three, four in the morning. I literally were, you know, entering, you know, USA. I literally got down, kissed the ground. People looking at me like, I said, it's been a bad night. Right.

It's been a bad night. Do you still have your ID and everything? Yeah, so. Okay. The next day, speaking of IDs, I'm like, fuck this. I want to get some OC80 still. Right?

So I drive over to Santa C. Drove Port of entry. The Santa Ana winds blow in once a year. It's like 120 degrees. It's hot as balls. I got pants on. I go, I switch to a pair of shorts. I'm going to shoot over to T.J. And get some oxies.

When I change my pants, my ID's in the back. Dude, I go into Tijuana, get a bunch of pills, get a bag of pills. Got it down my thing. I'm walking back across the port of entry. Then I'm like, my ID, I'm like, oh, my God. Now I'm in line. is all military, you know, throughout looking at me like ID, I'm like, hey, I left in my car. Boom, come with me.

They put me in this room with like, you know, 15 Mexicans that got caught trying to sneak across or whatever, and I'm sitting there, and it's all, you know, the federal support of entry. So now I'm sitting there and those little blue plastic chairs that are like linked together and there's like five Mexicans all looking at me, a bunch next to me. They come out, they're like, yeah, Rodriguez, you know. I see the cop footing on the white rubber gloves. they walk in the bathroom and like, oh my God. You know, they're stripping people, you know, shaking them down.

I got this big bag of OCA's. I just got out of prison. The night before I went through this whole rigmarole. So I'm like, fuck. So now I'm like, I want to pull the drugs out and wedge it in the seat. But now I'm worried like, you're right, dear. Right. You know, hey, you know, they'll do anything to get on.

So now I'm like sitting there at my hands in front of me and I got like my finger, you know, I'm hooking in and I get the baggy, I pull it, pull it out. I'm like wedging under the seat. And they come in, they're like, Lee, I get up. They don't even take me in the bathroom and search me. I'm just like, got me in the thing. They do the retina scan on the thing. He's like, hey, see you've been arrested of a drug trafficking.

I go, yeah, you just got out of prison? I go, yeah, I already did. He goes, what are you doing it to you want to? Just vacationing? I go, yeah, pretty much. It's like U.S. military, you know? They're like, shut the fuck up. So then he's clicking the thing.

and I got arrested once and defaulted in New Hampshire in Nashville, New Hampshire. And he goes, what's up with Nashua? It's pronounced Nashua. I said, oh, man, that was the old default. I cleared that up. He said, get the fuck out of you, man. I walked out. I'm like, I'm never going back to Mexico.

I'm never going back. You leave the pills? The pills are that's a gone. Yeah. Hey, listen, when your movie does come out, I'm going to be hitting you up for a little, I want to go to the red carpet, like, screening, just random. Bean Shooter invitation.

You want. I'll show up solo. You got to have a... Jim Schuett's on a baseball hat. There's not going to be a movie. But we got to have a part in it, right? Like, I got to have... Like, you remember how hilarious would it be to...

Who is this? Steve Domingo. Great story, you know? It takes so long to get the movie off the ground and film about the time it comes out. I know, it's getting late in the game, right? But, you know, 55? You know, what can happen? You know how many times I've been through the whole process of the production meetings and

and that. And now I'm at the point where the guy I'm with now, which honestly, I'll be honest with you, since I've gone through, I've gone through this for about about, I didn't do anything for the first year or so. I didn't even entertain it. But it's been about three years now that I've started to entertain possibly getting my movie done or movie done. This is the first guy that I actually, he's got me convinced something's going to get done. He's got me like, that's how good, like, I don't know if he's just that, you know, most of these con, our producers are practically con men. But he's got me convinced, and he's got a bunch of big movies out, right? Really?

Oh, yeah. Like, for instance, Walberg is who they were, we were in discussions with Walberg and also the guy, this guy, Lawrence, who did all of the Quentin Tarantino movies. He produced all of the Quentin Tarantino movies except for one. So, and I've had, keep in mind, I've had meetings with these guys. I've had, when I went to L.A., I had the guy Lawrence, I had breakfast with them. Like, oh, it's, so he's close. And here's the thing.

Did you ever see Succession? It's a series It's a series on I want to say HBO It might be it might be Amazon I think it's HBO So it's a series that's ran for like five years It's still going

Well one of the main characters is a guy named Karen Culkin You know McCauley Culkin? It's his brother Oh yeah yeah yeah The Irish spelling I was saying Karen like a girl No no

He's about to win if like They're like he's being nominated He just some movie just came out It hasn't hit theaters Something about it originally So and he's He's heard he's like five foot six. He's like,

and I used to joke all the time saying, I won't accept anybody to play me that's taller than five foot six. But they really found a guy that's, and this guy like, he's like huge. Oh, man. Sounds good. Well, yeah,

but when they went to him, it was like, hey, we want to do a limited series based on my book. Well, they're not doing limited. Like most places don't want to do limited series anymore. So when they,

we went to, when the producer went to, them and pitched it and told my story and I had a meeting with his manner, the whole thing. They were like, look, we've been told by Amazon, by, you know, like, it starts naming off all the places, right? Amazon, Netflix, like, they don't, they're not, they're shying away from limited series because they're just not doing well. And Karen doesn't want to do a series because he doesn't want to be tied, like, he's tied into this series now. It could go for five more years, you know, he doesn't want to be tied in. He wants to, he really wants to do a movie. Yeah. They said, but

if you think you can get a limited series done, that's fine. So the producer said, I can get that done. So he turns around, he contacts. He knows the main guys for HBO. Like, he just picks up the phone and calls them. They call him right back. Got on the phone with like four of them. And he said, all of them said, if he's in it, we'll do the limited series.

He said, the problem is, is they said, but I'll be honest with you. We have so many in production and we're trying to shy away with it. If you want to get something done quickly, we're moving to full-length feature films. They said, and he's like, yeah, but feature films are dead. And they went, no, they're not. They said all the statistics that are making a huge comeback. And he was like, and also the guy that's writing.

That's good news, you know, but it's so much work, right? It's so different when you already locked into this. No, no, it's good. But so I'm saying, like, for the past three months, I've been working with a screenwriter on a series. Now they're saying, no, no, we've got a better chance to do it in the film. So let's switch it to a film. honestly, the guy who's writing in the screenplay.

Can polly a lot of that into the... And honestly, he's written several screenplays. Yeah. They're all films. There's one right now called Monkey Man. He wrote it. There's one called Life of Pie, he wrote it. He's an Indian guy.

Yeah, he's huge. He's a Life of Pie. And everybody loves this guy. And he's a super nice guy. So they're like, look, he's better, he's more prepared or better at writing movies. And if we go and say, hey, Life of Pie, Monkey Man, which is, by the way, trending, like, it was like number one. What is that?

What's that about? They took a, they took a, like a comic book hero, and it's kind of like a John Wick for Indians, an Indian John Wick. Good movie. I mean, we went and saw it, because I knew he was going to write, write it. So my wife and I went and sat in the theater. We watched the whole thing. We're like, like, and when he asked me about it, what do you think? I said, I'll be honest with you.

I said, it was about 15 minutes too long. I said, other than that, he's like, what do you think? Well, like, he was the fighting scenes. And I went, yeah, I said the fighting scenes. It was too much. It gets to be too much. Like, you know, the guy gets thrown off of fucking, you know, they throw him into a wall. He gets hit by a car.

He jumps up and, like, stop. And he says, listen, he's, I have nothing to do with the fighting scenes. He's like, I'm not, I didn't choreograph them. They would have never been that long. He's like, you know, but the story. I was like, no, no, the story's great. I love the character. I love the whole thing.

Anyway, so now what they're doing is they're revamping it. And they're saying, look, let's move it to be a movie. The problem is also my, they keep wanting to include. my prison story, what happened to me in prison, writing all these guys, true crime, whatever. You know, I'm like, my criminal record spans nearly 10 years. How about three or four years prior to going on the run, four, and then three years on the run. Like, it's seven, six or seven years. Yeah.

And you want to take a, put that all in a one thing. And then, and then the prison is in prison. Come on. Like, what are you doing? Like, it's too much. And they were like, no, I feel like we can, we want to at least introduce it. And I'm like, okay, you know, I don't know how it's done. Whatever.

And they'll trust me, Matt, we can do it. He's the perfect person to do it. He's very good at, okay, okay. Like, I don't give a shot. I just want something done. At this point, yeah, let's get the ball rolling. I'll be in shock if something happened, in shock. Not because of them, but because you get dragged so long.

And how many great movies, how many times? Yeah, you're jaded by all of it. How many times have you been in the movies and watched a movie and said, how the Did this get done? Because the truth, like, this sucks. Like, because the truth is, movies don't get made the way you and I think. It really is my, my cousin Paul, is married to so-and-so and their friends with Jimmy. And it just happens that Tommy got fired and he was ready to do a movie.

And guess what? Brad Pitt bumped into so-and-so at the concert and told him about it. And he signed on. Next thing, you know, some piece of shit. It's getting made. Sean Wicks. Yeah, exactly. And you're like, I've got an amazing story.

Like, and it's not exaggerated. And it's not bullshit. That's what you're going to say. It's a real story. It's a real story. Even the stories that I tell, like, first of it, like, there's articles about what happened. But even some of the stories that I tell, and I tell the story, I even stop sometimes. Like, the story of the people in Starbucks.

Remember, the two people that see me and I'm in my, so two people. two people recognize me in Starbucks and I get in my car. One of them follows me outside and he's standing there with holding a bunch of coffees and shit and I'm in my car and I know he's staring at me, but he's from my apartment complex. So I think he's following me because I hadn't paid my rent yet. So I figured, oh, maybe he's trying to serve me. Like, I don't know how it works in Charlotte, North Carolina. And so I got my seatbelt on.

I start my car. I'm sitting here. And all of a sudden he starts screaming. He's right here. He's right here. What happened was out of the two people, one of them left the Starbub, box went across the street to where my apartment complex was, U.S. Marshals had just interviewed them about me.

So she runs in and says, he's right next door. They run across the street. They're running towards the back of my car. He screams, he's right here, and I look in the rear of your mirror and I'm like, and I hit the gas, I tear off, right? Yeah. That sounds very exciting. That's exactly how it happened.

I always stop and preface it by, wait a minute, that sounds exciting, but the truth is, Like, I know how that sounds. That sounds like I fish tailed. I'm driving down Charlotte in downtown. I pulled out and cars are swerving. I got a good story. Right. But, I mean, like, that's how it sounds.

That's not what happened. You were just gone. These guys are 100 feet away. I'm already pulling. I'm already looking. I know traffic is cleared. All I really did was when the guy said something, I was like, oh, fuck. And I hit the, and I hit the gas.

And I was already driving off. It sounds dramatic. You just tell the truth. You don't get to remember it. Right. Oh, this time I crashed into something. No, you just... I'm not adding.

But it's still, you know... My car couldn't have even fished out. Federal Marshals are right there, someone screaming is right here and you took off. It's exciting enough. You don't need... You don't have to, don't do that. You don't need the Steve McQueen bullet fucking see.

Right. I didn't... I didn't T.J. Hooker run and do the hood slide. And then my car couldn't have even fish... What was abroad in T.J. Hooker? I don't know. My car couldn't have fishedailed anyway. It had that posy traction, you know? But I know how it sounds when I tell it.

So I always stop. and say, don't get a twisted. I know how it sounds. That's not, you know, I was already pulling out. Like,

I don't want you to think I'm, you know, because trust me, if I was to exaggerate, I'd be six foot tall, a little better looking. Like, there'd be a whole slew of things I'd change.

Like, I wouldn't mention all the times I fuck up. Yeah. And almost got caught. But Hollywood would juice that up a little. Oh, and they can do whatever they want. Yeah, who gives a fuck.

I just, I would love to see it happen. Yeah. But I know how. I think you're close now, right? That's how, I felt like I was close for three years. Yeah, but this guy.

This guy. The guy is, and every time I talk with him, that's why I hate con men, because you feel so comfortable with them. And they sell you out the second it ain't good, they need to return your calls. They're the worst. That's the production companies. They'll call you back at two in the morning. Hey, I'm here for you any time.

You need this, you need that. Then the second it dies out. We're going to have weekly meetings. Yeah. You don't hear from them. Yeah. It's crazy. I just had this one thing with the reality show, the, you know, the sizzle reel and all that.

This guy had me like, everyone loves it. Discovery already loves it. It's a short thing. Go away. Go on vacation. Last thing you're going to worry about is us selling this. It's a done deal. They always love it. Everybody thinks you're amazing. We're talking to Tom next week. We're Jennifer's on vacation. Don't worry. The team's getting together. If I hear one more person say the team, I'm losing on a motherfucker. But this guy was cool because when I talked to him, I told him all that up front. We had a conversation. I said, look, here's the problem. And I just went through everything. Here's what I've gone through. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I said, by the way, don't do this to me. I said, I'm going to give you a heads up. I said, do you know how many times people have told me that, oh, by the way, we only do 18-month options. Nobody does options less than that. And that nobody pays for options.

Nobody pays. You just sign the option agreement. Nobody's paying anymore. I said, because I can tell you right now, I said, I just sold an option. I go, so the moment someone says that to me, I know they're lying piece of shit. Yeah, you're a bullshit. I said, so the moment I said, I don't give a fuck. You don't have to give me $25 grand, but you got to give me something.

Yeah. And he, guy came back immediately. Like, boom, here's the offer, here's this, we won't even sign a option.

We'll do nine months. It's not even an option, Matt. It's just you give me the right to shop it. If somebody else comes along, fine, take it. He's like,

just let me, and by the way, here's some money. And I was like, wasn't a lot of money. Yeah. But it doesn't matter. It was a little,

it was nice. And I was like, let's me, because nobody walks away from five or ten grand. I don't care if you're a millionaire. You don't want, nobody wants to lose

five grand, 10 grand. They just go it. It doesn't matter if you're a multi-millionaire. So I want you to put up something. Those guys are all the more. Right. Guys are all the money. So anyway, yeah, so I totally feel, I do feel like something might happen.

Yeah. Maybe. That'll be exciting. I'll be exciting for me. Just, you know, knowing you're shooting the shit where you're here, like, wow, this is a cool, you know, it's a cool thing. You know, it would be the worst, though. Well, not the worst, but this is why how I really feel.

Kobe's heard me say this. We'll go through all the prep. I'll help work on the screenplay. We'll do the whole thing. I'll go out. They'll be filming it. I'll meet the actors. People will be great.

They'll fly me out. We'll do the whole thing. And then it'll actually hit the big screen and you'll watch it. And you'll be like, yeah, it was all right. I couldn't imagine. That's why, like, I try and enjoy the process. Because I know, you know nobody goes to the movies. And it's like, it was amazing.

Everybody walks out like, fuck. Like, they cut this. They did this. So when they filmed the movie about my friend, Mickey Ward, the fight with Walberg, right? So Walberg did a thing on a guy from Philadelphia. I can't think of his name right now, Pappi Ali, whatever it was. He played for the Eagles. He was like some walk-on.

He tried out practice. It's like this. Oh, yeah, yeah, no, no. I saw that. It's a great story. Great, great movie. That's a good story. But it was like one of them.

It was at the movies. It went straight to video. So, and I was in prison. And when I heard they were doing the Mickey movie, the fighter, I'm like, I was thinking of that movie, like, you know, it'll probably be okay. I mean, Walberg's in it. So it's got to be decent, right? This is not.

And then it come out and they're winning Oscars. is and and I was just like, the movie blew up, you know? I couldn't believe how good it did. And I was in prison and it sucked. You were filming the whole thing around my way. I know everyone and then I got out after it was already, it already blew up. Was the fighter the one where his brother had been a fighter? Yeah.

Yeah. And he got some of your best friend. Really? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. In the indie, he turns around, he hits him in the kidney and knocks him out with like a kidney punch. Yeah. So he does a body shot.

I saw that in prison. Really? And he's in the guy. There's a prison scene. Yeah, there's a prison scene where the guy's in prison talking to like his, his brother while he's fighting like, you got to do this, you got to do that. He's in prison. We're in prison watching the movie.

And I just thought, this is insanity. Yeah. My life is like, this is ridiculous. Yeah, that's who got me in the rehab in Florida. Oh, yeah? That's who took me there, drove me there and did all that. Yeah. That's a good friend.

I owe him everything. Yeah, I owe him everything. Do you know any details about that movie, like anything that was like exaggerated or? You know, there's a few things. Dickie always gets mad. One seat, he jumped out a window. He's like, it wasn't the second story. It was the third, you know.

But they really made the sisters look really bad. And they're a little crazy, but, you know. They do look bad for you. I'll tell you, man. A few of them are really pretty. I mean, we're all older now, right? They're not pretty. Oh, my God.

They made them look like the Adams family. Like, you know, they really, really trashed the sisters bad. And, yeah, that wasn't, yeah. No, they didn't look that bad. I'll say that about the movie, but everything else was pretty much spot on. The problem with the movie is you're taking like 10 hours of film time and you have to condense it into two hours. So they end up conflating like three characters where the guy's saying one thing. You're like, he never said that.

That was so and so. I understand, but we can't have 40 different characters. We have to take those 40 different characters and get them down to like 10. And we have to cut scenes and like that was a year later. It doesn't matter. I can't. We can't span, show the span of a year. We have to make it sound like it happen right away.

You think, like, if they do your movie, that they would take all the women and take them to be one? I don't know. I bet they were all hot the girls that you were running with. You know what the problem is? I thought they were hot. Every time I'm like, no, man, she was hot. Guys are like, bro, that chick is not hot. And I'm like, I thought she was pretty.

Like, first of all, my standards may not be as high as everybody else is, you know. Like, you know, everybody's like, they think I'm dating a supermodel. And you have to understand what you're dealing with here. Like, I'm not six foot. I'm not Brad Pitt. So, but yeah, I mean, I thought they were attracted. But what I think they'll do, I only say this because I actually should be talking with the screenwriter soon at some point if we figure out if this guy's going to sign on,

is that what I think they're going to, one of the things they're going to have to do is they're going to, my first arrest, they will most likely have to just get rid of it completely. it's minor and probably that so there's some things that's like you know what if we remove me being married you know like me being married with a kid gone because that takes that's even if you that's five or ten minutes of screen time like just get to like you know right little bit of a story story then the meat and balls of it exactly you start as as late into the story as possible get out as early as possible like that's that's what they're going to have to do and they can do a couple of flashbacks which is kind of like

like, like, catch me if you can, right? Like, they keep flashing back to a couple different. Just one or two spots. So there's going to be a chunk that's cut. And I'm, you know, let's like I said, I just want something. You just want it to be good, too. And yeah, you want it to get done. But then you want to watch it and be like, wow, that was awesome.

Right. And be walking out of there feeling like, wow. And I know they're going to make me look like a superstar, right? Like, and the problem is that the producer, the screenwriter, the executive producer, once again I feel like I'm a knucklehead like a lot of these things

I bumbled into like I feel the same way people say you don't give you something up credit but then when you explain it to someone genius they're like wow that's amazing you're like yeah but wait a minute that's not what like

it sounds it's like flip at a house how many times have you heard someone say you know I bought the house for 100,000 I put 25000 into it I sold it for 175 I made 50 grand. You're like, that's amazing. Oh my God.

Bro, it was four months of hell. Three air conditioners got stolen. Kids throw rocks through the window. Two closings fell apart. I didn't make 50. I had to pay for these people's, you know, for their closing. Like, by the time it's done, you didn't make 50. You made 35.

Yeah. And it was agony. And you were there. You spent, you know, you're picking glass up in the yard. Like, it sounds good when I. Sounds great. When I ramble it out. But it's bullshit.

You don't know any rehabbers that love being rehabbers. Like, they're all like, this is, it's, you basically, you're a glorified, um, construction worker when you do rehabers. Yeah. When you rehabs. And everyone's trying to do it now. You know, 10, 15 years ago, you know, my friend's flip houses, my best friend Sparrow, he does a lot of, he's doing a huge project now.

But now everyone's trying to do it. So it's a lot harder now on the price of everything's through the roof. But just like you, you've gotten multiple calls since we've been. here. Hey, I got to get some more metal. Hey, can you meet me here? Kay, like being a general, working, in general, working for yourself sucks. You're working 80 hours a week. People are calling at 11 o'clock at fucking night. It's like, from like being in prison and everything I've been through and you've been through, right? I've always had that, you know, where it could be a lot worse, man. Oh, of course. You know what I mean? Like, no matter what the fuck's going on, and like,

somebody who'd trade places with us in a second. I never get, like, if I get cut off in traffic, like you get that split second of, and then it's like, you know what? You can. can go. I think it's age. I think it's age. Same with me. I don't even, I don't get mad too much anymore.

Like, when I get really mad or I'm like, want to be screaming at someone, I'm like, wow, that hasn't happened. Yeah. These are not real problems.

Yeah. These are not, yeah. Listen, I remember, I told, I told, Colby heard this the other day.

I remember being on the phone with my ex-wife in prison. She's complaining about how her husband, because we were still friends. Yeah. Like she came to see me the whole time I was locked up. Her husband came fucking see me. I used the relationships in most of my exes for some reason. Yeah. They feel, I think they feel bad for me. Yeah. They're like this knucklehead. That's what it is. Who's going to put up with him? So she, uh, she's complaining to me that she

just had to spend like 1,500 bucks for a new transmission. And that the transmission had gone, gone out on her husband's, on her husband's Hummer, right? His, his H-2 Hummer that he got. And it was three years, bumper to bumper, and they bought it and it just went out. This is bullshit. It was $1,500 or $1,800. And she's, like, complaining about it. And I'm thinking, that's, she had to put it on a credit card. Like, that's not a problem. You know what a problem is? My entire life is in a locker that is 18 inches by two feet, by three feet. I have, I have, I have, you're only allowed to have three shelves. I have six shelves. Our new counselors, our new counselor, is going around checking everybody's locker

and then removing three shelves if you have extra shelves. I'm like, that's what I'm down to. I'm terrified that he's going to take my three shelves. So petty. Extra blankets, yeah. Right. And the CEOs that go around and do this.

That's like people complaining about, like if your problem is trying to avoid paying taxes because you have too much money, motherfucker, you don't have a problem. Yeah. That's your biggest problem. How to figure out what some tax is, shelters are like you don't know what problems are. I have problems. How am I going to survive on

three shelves? That's my whole life's in the thing. Yeah, I've had some real problems also. Hey, sorry to interrupt the video. Just want to let you guys know that we're going to have an extra 15 or 20 minutes of content on my Patreon. It's $10 a month for about an hour's worth of extra content every single week. Back to the podcast. So the whole, um, with the Whitey Bulger thing with Sean, I call him Sean Wick, Sean Hicks. He said he said, Sean Hicks.

So Whitey Bulger was basically an Irish, it's not like there's an Irish mob. Like they make it out like this, you know, this Irish mob, but he was just like a crime boss in Boston who worked with the Italians for years. Well, basically you couldn't do anything in and around Boston,

South Boston, without going through him, unless it was, unless it was the Italians. But the Italians worked with him a lot, you know, to kill people and do a lot of stuff. Him and he had a partner, Steve Flemmy, and they were part of the Winter Hill gang, which was based out of Somerville, Massachusetts, out of an auto repair shop, Marshall Motors, which Howie Winter in, no relation to the Winter Hill, that was just a coincidence.

His name was Winter. And Whitey for years was like this ghost. He never got indicted. He never went to jail, and everybody knew who he was. and the guy killed a lot of people. He was just, he was a bad guy. And eventually in the end, it come out that he was working hand in hand with the FBI the whole time. Right.

He had a, then he was friends with the FBI agent as a kid or something, right? Yeah. Yeah. John Conley. I think John Conley went to school with his brother. But, yeah, John Conley had some story where he come in and bought him like an ice cream cone. And there's some, you know, some folklore to that whole thing. I don't know.

Right. I don't know how true it is. But, yeah, so he, like, converted him to be a, to be an influence. So it was a real convenient for him because all this competition, he just ran out and they go away to prison. And eventually he laid out the Italian mob's headquarters in the North End on Prince Street. He had been in their house and they talked freely in there. It was kind of like the John Garty thing where they bugged, you know, the apartment upstairs. Same type of deal they did.

And it's just like on Mulberry Street, it's a real close-knit Italian neighbor. I don't know how they went in there. You know, it was this big cloak and dagger thing where the FBI acted like a drunk and the thing and he picked the thing and got in there and planted the bugs and basically ended, you know, they got so much off that. They convicted so many Italians off that. And once again, he just took over all their rackets, all the gambling rackets. The guy made a ton of money and he ended up getting, he went on the run, kind of like you, went on the lamb. Yeah, but he just did it for a long. You need like 13 years or 15 years?

Yeah. FBI most wanted list. Yeah. And they caught him in, I think it was Pasadena, California, living in just some rental house up there. And they rated them and he had like, you know, $800,000 hidden in the apartment and arsenal of weapons, fake IDs. He was like 81 years old. And he eventually got in prison by some guys. What do you think about just real quick? I mean, this is just curiosity, is that, you know, that, you know, that it.

Do you think he was working with the FBI? Because, you know, during his trial, like, there was no reason to go to trial. Yeah, I know. He went to trial basically to try and prove that I wasn't working with the FBI. Like, I, that's all bullshit. Like, I wasn't a rat. I never gave them anything. I, you know, so he, that's kind of what the trial was about.

But it didn't matter. It's still, that, that had been out there. Yeah. The FBI said he was working with us. And so he, that's why he ended up getting in prison. Yeah, he was definitely a rat. Yeah, okay. Co-defendant Steve Flemmy, who routed on a lot of people, his whole thing was almost

like Trump's thing right now. Like I had immunity to all these crimes because I had a deal with the federal government. They let me do this. Right. Oh, that was what his argument was in at trial. Yeah. They had a, they called that something. Blank in immunity or something.

I don't know what it means. Yeah, it's like public something. Yeah, he's got, yeah, he's got total. I was being told to do this. I was doing this on the behalf of the government. But, like, I think Conley come out and said the FBI agent, you know, I basically told them they can do whatever they want. And his words were just don't clip anybody. But they were killing people all along.

Right. You know, it's like there's a similar case in New York out of Staten Island, Brooklyn with the guy Greg Scapa. Same thing. Yeah. Who was, you know, working with the FBI this whole time and killing people the whole time. So, you know. Scarpa's son was recently released from prison. Which one?

I know some friends of mine are friends with his kid, too. Might be Greg Jr. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. But I was contacted by like a booking agent and said he would come on the program. And one, I don't know enough about it. And two, they wanted money. And I was like, I'm not paying anybody.

Like, and so, you know, the woman was like, well, do you know anybody else? I'm like, I don't know anybody that's going to pay you. Like, I'll give you other names of podcasters, but I don't know anybody's going to, like, if you're thinking he's going to get out and make, go do a podcast service circuit and make a thousand bucks or something, that's not going to happen. But, you know, maybe on the bigger ones. But anyway, so, okay, so I'll tell what happened. So basically there was, so I'll tell you, it says we mentioned the Winter Hill game to say that there was a guy. So one day I was contacted by a guy named AJ.

And AJ's like a, he's like an agent, like an entertainment agent slash. Go between. Yeah, kind of, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't think he's not like a producer or anything. He just knows, he's kind of like an agent. So he contacts me, and he, we talked a few times and he was like, look, I know a guy that has a documentary right now on OJ Simpson that's on Netflix. And I was like, okay, so he was a big time producer. And I was like, okay, so I actually watched the documentary.

And it was kind of a, it was a very simple document. I don't want to say low budget because the quality was, it was high quality. It was a good documentary. but it was a very simple, it was just a couple of the homicide detectives in a room going over all this evidence that had never been presented and how they were explaining how they felt OJ had done it and all these other things. Anyway, it was a couple hours. And, you know, look, and the fact is for you to get a documentary made and get it on Netflix, that's a big deal. Yeah. So he's like, this guy can get a documentary made about you.

And I was like, okay, he's working with this guy named Sean Hicks, right? Sean, what was his middleman? name. Do you remember? Scott. Sean Scott Hicks. He's like, Sean Scott Hicks. He's like, you know who that is? No.

And he goes, so he used to be with the winner Hill game. He was, he worked with Whitey Bulger. And of course, I knew Whitey Bulger. Yeah. He was like, oh, wow. And he's like, yeah. And, you know, because by that point, you know, I'd seen black masks. I'd seen, you know, the departed.

Like, you know, I remember when he got caught, everybody in prison was like, oh, my gosh. You know, he had actually, for a very short period of time, he was at, he was at, you was at one of the pens in Coleman. I don't know where he got here, but I think for a period of time he was there. And so I was like, oh, wow, okay. And I'd seen a documentary on him. You know, I'd seen all this stuff, so I'd know who he is. So I'm like, oh, okay.

And he goes, look, and I was like, oh, he's, and I remember thinking when he said, Hicks, I was like, which guy is that? Is that the guy that was, one of the guys that rolled over on, you know, one of the guys had cooperated. Like, I was like, is that him? Like, I didn't really know. But I was like, okay, he said, yeah, they've, he just wrote a book. He has a book coming out.

I said, okay, he's got a movie deal. I was like, oh, okay. He's got like a big book deal with like a big publisher. Yeah. Named the publisher, Black. Who is it? Blackstone. Blackstone publishing.

And I was like, okay. He's like, yeah, bro, he's huge. I was like, oh, he's partnered with this guy. They've got a production company. Would you be willing to talk to them? I said, sure. So we get on a Zoom call. Oh, not a Zoom call.

We actually, it was just a phone call. We get on a phone call, and Hicks is like, yeah, I'm so-and-so. And he starts telling me about himself. He's really talking himself up. And to be honest with you, you know, like I'm not impressed. Like, mobsters, like, I've never been impressed by some guy who you're shaking down store owners. Like, you're going to mom and pop places saying, hey, give me 300 bucks a week. And basically, I won't throw rocks through your windows and come in here and, you know, make your life miserable.

It's such a place on fire. Like, and it's like, okay, you're just a piece of garbage. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not impressed by something. That's just not impressive. That's not, there's no skill in that, right? Yeah. So, holy shit.

Right. Right. So, okay. And he's like telling me that, but, you know, he's like talking about, you know, Whitey Bulger. And he's throwing these names out. And I don't really know the names, but I kind of know one or two. Like, I know Whitey Bulger.

And I'm like, okay, but I'm not asking a lot of questions. But I just felt like he was fraud. Like, right. You've been to prison with mobsters. They're quiet. they don't brag. They stay to themselves. Like very seldomly, like, they might get together and tell a few stories, but they're not

walking around talking about what badasses they are. You know, like the most dangerous guy in the room is pretty much usually the quiet guy. Yeah. And anyway, so he's going on and on. I was just like, okay, I'm thinking, like, when are we going to talk about my story? Like, what a, you're a big shot. I get it.

You got a bunch of shit going on. So the other guy, the producer, starts talking. Matt, we're going to move very quickly on this. You know, I've got something right now on Netflix. They're looking for stuff. I can talk to so-and-so. I know so-and-so. I can get a documentary made.

I'm like, okay, listen, bro, I got some issues with a documentary about me, which is like, I don't have a lot of assets, which is like video, photographs. Most of the people involved in my case have reestablished their life or they've never got indicted, so they're not going to talk to you. Yeah, they don't want. Right. And the people, you know, so there's a whole bunch of things that you have very few people they're going to be, this is probably an hour long documentary.

Most of it's going to be me. And that's already out there. But the guy's insisting, no, we can do reenactments. We can do this. We can do that. I'm like, okay. You know, there's ways around it. We can get law enforcement.

Okay. So we start talking and they want me to sign along. Whatever. I'm like, look, I'll give you an exclusive for just the doc nine months. You've been down this road already. I've been down this road. So while they're talking, the one guy says, hey, I love it. what do you think, Sean?

As if Sean's done anything but just get out of prison. Like, I don't know how your partner or Sean. He's really trying to use his, they're all thinking he's going to be huge. So I'm going to partner with him because his name is going to be huge. It's very soon. And I'm like,

okay, so I realize that as I'm talking because like, Sean, you've got somebody else wrote your book. Yeah. Somebody else wrote these, you know, articles.

Somebody else, like, you've done nothing but get out of prison and run your mouth. Like, that's it. Yeah. As far as I can tell. And even if everything you're saying is true,

you're just, maybe you've shot a few, maybe you're a hitman, maybe, maybe you've been in prison a few for 10 or 15 years like you're bragging about, which, okay. So I don't see how that makes you a producer. I wouldn't run around telling people I'm a producer. Like, there's a, that's a certain skill set I don't have. But anyway, so he goes, what do you think, Sean? And Sean goes, listen, I don't have a problem with. He's, I don't have a problem. He's like, I love his story. I like him.

He's a solid guy. He's a stand-up guy. He's this. He's that, all the things which are not true. And he's like, and then all of a sudden, he's like, yeah, so, you know, I got no problem, Matt. He said, as long as you didn't like snitch on nobody, nobody went to jail, you're a stand-up guy. Like, I'm good with you. I'm good with us representing you.

I go, and so I realize right away, like, you don't know my story. You're telling me you know my story, but you don't. And I went, well, I tell him. tell you, Sean. I said, I did, I said, I'm not a stand-up guy. I snitched on every person I could think of. I go, it just didn't work out for me. I said, when I got caught, I said, I rolled over on everybody. I said, but in the end, it just didn't work out. So I said, I ended up getting, I ended up getting 26 years. I said, eventually I said, you know, I done, I said, I said, I, I said, eventually I got my sentence reduced by 12 years for two rule 35. I said, because I, I wrote an ethics and fraud,

course and I was interviewed by Dateline. I said I had a file a bunch of paperwork to get that done. And then I have another case where a guy made the mistake of trusting me in prison and telling me where he'd hidden Ponzi scheme money. I said, I rolled over on him and cut his throat. I got five years off for that. I said, so I'm not a stand. Because I think this is done. You've already wasted 45 minutes of my time. So I'm like, so I'm not a standup guy. So I guess we're basically done here. And he sat there for a minute. And he goes, oh, you know what? He's like, like, bro. I got no problem with that, man.

I mean, you know, you, like, you never took a code. You're not a street guy. So I got no problem with that. I mean, well, we can work on that. Well, we can represent you. A minute ago, I had to have lived, but you're typical. He's a fraud. Buckled immediately.

Like, if you're really this stand-up guy that has to, you can't cooperate, you can't this. And he should have been like, yeah, bro, I don't want anything to do with him. Yeah, exactly. But he buckled immediately. So I remember right then thinking, something's wrong. There's a guy Joey Merlino.

I don't know if you know who that is. Okay. Joey Merlino. You're going to play some poker there. Yeah. Skinny Joey. Yeah. So for all of Merlino's faults as a human being, you know, if Merlino thinks you

cooperated, he won't have anything to do with you. Done. Like I can say a lot of horrible things about the guy, but he is a gangster. You know what I'm saying? He would say, yeah, listen, bro, like you, I heard you cooperate, or I know you cooperated. I can't have anything to do with you. That's it.

He probably wouldn't be that polite. He'd just be like, nah, this dude's a rat. We don't want him around. I'm not dealing with him. He'd be done. He wouldn't give a fuck. It wouldn't matter if you said, hey, give me a hundred thousand dollars for you to put your name on my restaurant.

Nah, bro, you're a rat. Yeah. He would be like, no, fuck off. Well, he might take the money and then tell you the fuck off. But this guy buckled immediately. So right then, whatever. Not the real deal. Not the real deal.

But I don't give a fuck. Like, whatever, that's fine. You're pretending. Tons of people are pretending. So I end up signing an agreement with them. And, but the guy never does anything. Like he was like, oh, I'm going to jump right on it. I'm like literally three, four months go by. So one day I get, I get a, whatever, let's say a month or so goes by.

A.J. sends me a little, you know, a link to whatever, TikTok. And it's John English had interviewed Hicks. And there's this, you know, Hicks is, you know, talking about how his kid called him up from, from, he'd been arrested and he called him and he's, he had somebody and, or he was involved in a and he's like, you know, did you do this? You know, I'm thinking, like, you're on the phone. Yeah. Like, you're, you're telling your kid not to say anything.

Keep your mouth shut. But let me ask you a quick question, which is going to 100%, you know, involve you in this, you know, it's going to put you in this, right, incriminate you. in this crime. He's like, did you have anything to do with this? Like, you're on the phone on the police at the police station. So, and he's like, I'm going to be just like you, dad. I'm going to be just like, I want to be just like, and he starts crying. Anyway, but the video's got like two or three million views. And then AJ sends me, English got a lot of views. Right. AJ sends me another one. He's like, bro, Sean is blowing up. Hicks is blowing up, bro. His book's going to be a bestseller. They're going to

make a movie. You're, you know, you're in good with these guys. They got you. And I'm like, okay. And still, you know, the guy's got the tear drops on it. And his, the answers are so corny. And I know you roast the shit out of them. Yeah. But anyway, so I sit there, no big deal. That goes on for another week or two. He keeps tech. A.J. keeps telling me how what an amazing guy he is. And then one day, and then one day, AJ comes, he's like, yo bro there's some shit going on or something's like there's something's bad something's going on with Sean and I'm like what's going on and he sends me your podcast and I'm like what's this and I click on it and you're just you just you just jump right into him like you're laughing it or maybe he sent me

some of your shorts or something did you ever make shorts yeah sure the kid did or does a podcast thing it might have been sure it was immediately you pull up him Sean or you pull up Sean saying you know talking about this and you're just hammering him and mocking him and mocking him and I'm like, why is he mocking him? I'm like, oh, why is he mocking him? I mean, I don't understand it. And then you get into like, nobody's heard of this guy. He faked his paperwork.

He bullshitted this. He got these people to give him money or whatever. You know, he got a book deal. Destroyed him. And just, it's, and then I go to the podcast and I'm like, you're just gut him over the I only watched like 10 or 15 minutes. I'm laughing. I was like, oh, my God.

This vicious. And I go back to... Like my gut instincts are right. Yeah, well, I did say that to AJ. I was like, I felt like something was wrong when that guy said he didn't give a fuck that I cooperated. Like, he made that whole spiel of him being a stand-up guy and then not, but not caring that I had ratted. Like I thought, I always thought that was weird, bro. And then AJ was like, yeah, I always kind of felt like something wasn't right.

You didn't. You were all in. You were all in. But, you know, AJ, he hasn't been around him. That's right. That was the other funny thing. He talks about, what was it, the John Wick? He's like, they based the John Wick character after me or something? He said when I was in prison, one of the caseworkers knew my story from Whitey and this and that.

And he came along long after Whitey was gone and went to Hill. I mean, you know, and he says. Like the dates don't even match up, right? No, nothing, nothing. And he would have been like 12 when these guys are doing this. And he says, so this, whoever it was, is case where I said to me, it would, like they molded the perfect weapon, the perfect assassin and created you or something. And then I started doing the memes with him like John Wick with his face on it.

Yeah, Sean Wick, Jason Bourne. But yeah. So we're, and then when he was actually on Dan Abrams on Fox, he was, Dan Abrams slipped and called him Sean Wick. No. My friends are sending it to me. I'm like, that's me. Like this and like getting a call from the Boston Globe. We just did a big front page story on him that he's a.

a fraud. I'm like, you know, it's like vindication for me because it, you know, I knew with two seconds of seeing his little clip from James English that he was a absolute fraud and no, because I would have heard of him. I would have known this guy. Right. So nobody. And another thing. Not tied in at all. Not a soul. Nobody knows him. Yeah. But how did you, so can you tell me what happened with? Because you know more than I do. Like there was what, an article and did you read the art? Like, how did you get involved? How did you kind of real? know who he was. So there was an article first, right?

No, well, I'm sure there was. I didn't know about no article, but there's a, like an Irish Celtic band out of Boston called the Drop Kick-Murface. They did a song shipping up to Boston. I think it was in The Departed, and that was, you know, since then, you know, they could just play that song over and over, and, you know, they played at all the Celtics

games, everything, and they became pretty big. And the lead singer, Kenny Casey, I met through Mickey Ward, my friend, the boxer. and we ended up becoming friends and he called me one day and said, hey, do you know, or I texted me, do you know a Sean Hicks? And I said no. And he says, well, he said he did all this time and he was tied up with Whitey. And I know some of these guys involved, like Pat and he's still around.

He's 80 something, but I know Pat pretty well. And he's naming all these names. And he's saying he was committing crimes with this one and that one. He goes, but the dates don't match up. Like, you know, he goes, I smell a rat here. And he sent me the clips. And I'm like, right away, I mean, after three minutes to listen to this guy, you know, my son, somebody, and I'm the molded me the perfect weapon. And I'm like, oh, get, and the tear drops on his face.

And just nobody like, nobody in the Italian mob or Irish criminals are walking around looking like this guy, all pasty with tattoos on his face. And then one of the things where he's like all smug and the interviewer asking about the tattoos and he says, you know, and he has a strange accent. It's not a Boston accent. You pick up on it if you have a Boston accent. Like, what did that come from? He's like, you know. And like strange things. Like, he's lived around other places.

He isn't from Boston. And they go, what is the teardops for a? And he says, well, they say. And then he's like, like, grinning like a Cheshire cat. And I'm saying, them, not me. You know, each teardrop represents, each red teardrop represents five. So then the guy's like, well, I'm looking at the. to see if you have any red ones?

You know, the guy James English got like the Irish accent, and he like grins, he goes, I have three. And right then I said, this guy is a complete, like killers that I know that are people, you know, they're not talking about it. And if they, someone and got away with it, got away with 15, they're not going on the, you know, Joe English podcast.

They got 5 million views. And I'm just like, wow, this guy is a complete fraud. And another thing, I put that on blast on my Instagram story. Before I ripped him up in the podcast, I go, this guy's a clown. Does anybody know him? And like I said from my Snapchat four or five years ago, I could be in a supermarket and you're picking something up.

And I'm like, look at this guy with the tight shirt on. Like, I'll be like talking shit clowning someone. And within five minutes, three people mess to me. Oh, that's my, that's my cousin. You know, Matt, he's from Florida. And I put shit on him talking shit for a week. And my whole following is. Boston, Dorchester, South Boston, Quincy, that whole area where he says he's from.

I mean, a ton of people follow me from there. And not one person messaged me and said, oh, that's Sean Hicks. That's my cousin. And that's because, like I said, I could put you on random walking down the street and someone had messaged me within five minutes. Oh, that's my father. Right. You know what I mean?

You're talking shit about my son. So like now I can't even do anything like really clowning people. And not one person. from Boston message me and said, I know him. And I'm like, wow. So this guy's whole story is just fraudulent. So everything. Before it hit like the mainstream and they start, they turned and said, hey, yeah, this is fraud.

You were already. Oh, yeah. I'm the one. Everyone was calling me up. Like, thank you, thank you. Like I had, you know, ex-mobsters and people calling me up and, you know, take him out to eat. Like, hey, thank you.

Because they didn't have a platform. And they're just watching this guy. And like I said on my podcast, it's like I stole in value. Like even though, and I said that on my podcast too, just because you're a officer don't mean you're this or that. Like, you're this great guy and I'm out here fighting for you because a lot of them are, you know, bad people deep down. You know, a lot of them are great guys, you know, I says, but that's not the reason for this. The reason is these guys actually have a story. Right.

They did it, whether it's throwing a brick through a window, shaking someone down or killing somebody or doing this or that, right? They have a story. They actually did this stuff. Right. And this guy is just a complete fraudulent. And I, it was me. Because I got a good story. You got a great story.

And this motherfucker gets a $45,000 book deal. And he's just a PC from like county jail. He doesn't even get a tattoo that says five-star general in the bloods. And 1090 Jake, I was talking about earlier, actually went on PACER and pulled up paperwork where he testified. And, you know, he PCed in jail because he was in a jail full of Crips. And then he said he got to and tried to sue. And they just found him laying there with like a knife with a superficial wound. And he can just read through it that he's just a stuntster.

Yeah. Con man, you know, bullshit. And it was, and the more, every time I think I killed him, be like someone would send me him on like Fox with D&A rooms. And it was like, I just wanted to hunt this guy down now at this point. Because it's really, it's really bothering me that much, you know. And then, like when you contacted me or someone sent me your thing, after I exposed them and someone sent me a clip where you like,

a lot of these people with fake stories, you know, and you touched on it a little. I'm like, all right, good, it's getting out there. I look, this guy's got a ton of followers. Good, it's getting out there. And I don't think you mentioned it by name. I'm not sure if you did, but I was like. You know what the problem?

I probably, even if I did, sometimes I get it wrong. I don't know why I'll keep saying. I'll say like Sean Kelly. I've said that a few times and that's not the right person. Yeah. It's Irish though. Yeah. So.

So, yeah. So when it started really getting out there, I was like, you know, it's some vindication. And then the lady, Shelley Murphy from the Boston Globe, just wrote a big thing, and she quoted me as, you know, out in him as a fraud. And she, you know, he said to her, you know, like you said, the option that writes to a movie and this and that. And I feel like who knows where it would have went if, and then immediately when his book

come out, because I destroyed him so much, like, you know, a lot of my followers went on Amazon and good reads and just destroyed it with bad reviews. And it was like one star, one star. And I'm like, good. Like, I'm shocked that they still put the book out. I couldn't believe it. Then they, then they, then they post it. postponed it, then they took it off and they pulled it. And I think when they pulled it,

they might have that worried about a lawsuit. I think they took some stuff out of the book. And then they re-released it. They like put it off for two months. What happened like, I wonder like, he like provided fake paper. Like I can't imagine you would write like, listen, I was in prison. I ordered guys sentencing transcripts. Their indictments. I ordered the FBI 302s, DEA6s, police report. Like I ordered everything you could imagineable. that you could order on someone. And I'm in prison. And I'm ordering all of this.

You're not giving it to me. If I'm doing your story, I order it through the Freedom of Information Act, through the Freedom of Public Records Act, right? I'm ordered, and I end up with, I ended up with paper like this. And this is me throwing away because a lot of it's duplicate.

Like some of these things, I had boxes of stuff. Some of them, like this guy, Devereoli, I wrote, we had just tons of stuff. But some of them, Boziak, I think the pertinent stuff on Boziacs is maybe, it's still a packet like this. You know, it's still this thick.

And, God, I mean, I got some of these guys that's huge. So I can't imagine that this, that, that Sean Hicks could come up with enough paperwork to convince a reporter that, or I'm sorry, a journalist or a writer to write an entire book. Like the entire, like, if he had come to me and said, I want you to write my book. You would have figured him out in two minutes. Or, you know what I would have done? I probably would have said, I'll write it as a memoir, like you're writing it.

I'm not going to put my name on it or I'll put my name like, you know, with, like I helped you. But I'm just trying to think like, what could he have come? I need something. I need something. You know what he had? He had one thing. It looked like a kid did it in county jail. He made up this fake thing that said when Whitey Balja was arrested, he implicated.

So his whole thing was I'm Howie Winter's nephew. Howie don't get much family left, how he died a few years ago. And when he first popped up with this story, the reporter from the Globe remembered him. There were filming Spencer for hire in Boston, a Walberg thing. And this Hicks was there with like the Irish tough guy, leather jacket and the scally cap, trying to get like a walk on an extra role. And he was telling anybody that would listen to was Howie Winter's nephew. Howie was still alive.

And this reporter actually knew how he went to. So the reporter on the street come back and told Shelley, you wrote the story and said, hey, this kid's out here. What's his name? They had a picture of him. So she called Howie. He said, I've never heard of him. Right.

Never heard him. So he started this, this, I'm Howie, Winter's nephew who was in the Winter Hill Gang, tied up a whitey a while ago. So he's been, and all these people are long dead now. Right. So he's been perpetrating that fraud forever. And there was a big crime in Boston, the Isabella Gardner Museum heist. I had the guy on my podcast. I said it.

The detective? that had investigated it? One of the defectives I know, Anthony Hymorri, did you have him on? But the other, no, he works for Isabella Goddna, but Miles Kana, who's a renowned art thief, who they think did that way. He was in jail during that, but they think he masterminded it because he would steal precious pieces of art and not to sell them. To leverage him for his freedom when he got caught, yeah. That was his thing. So he made this, Sean Wick made this fake piece of paper saying,

When Whitey Bulger was interrogated, he implicated how he went to his nephew, Sean Hicks. And it's just this trash thing that he can't produce now because, you know, oh, you know, someone advised me to destroy it. And, you know, FBI agents were interviewed, by the lady, in the Boston Globe saying, you know, Whitey never spoke even about the Isabella God in the museum. And he goes on that podcast, too, like, you know, the summary of Galilee, like the name of the painting, whatever the fight. It's something Galilee, you know, like, you know, like, you know, all. smug like, you know, he knows who did it and just shitty. He read out of books, you know, he has a, can't stand this guy. But hopefully, you know, hopefully he's like, you know, dead. He's like a cockroach, you know. I'll be done talking about him today. And then he'll,

he'll be with Don Lemon on CNN at 8 o'clock tonight. Yeah, I was going to say he's basically in hiding at this point, right? Like, isn't he? Yeah, because I got contacted by AJ put me together with another kid, the kid that was in Apocalypse. Yeah. Do you know his name? Rudy Youngblood. Rudy Youngblood. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, you know, he called me a few times. Every time he called me, I think he was drunk. And he would start talking. I guess he'd spend a lot of time with Sean at his house or something, at his mansion. Yeah, his mansion. And then he would go on. He would go on it. He'd just start yelling and screaming.

I was like, bro. He was a loose cannon. Yeah. And he was like, I want to come on your podcast. I want to out this guy. I was like, okay, well, you can come on the podcast, but you got to calm down. And we actually scheduled something. And then like a couple days beforehand, I was like, hey, looking forward to the podcast.

And I didn't hear anything. And then next day, I sent him another thing. Hey, man, are you planning on being here? I have some, I have, my editor is going to be there. We have a schedule. Nothing. Then I hit AJ up. I said, AJ, what the fuck's going on, bro?

You told me this guy was good. You told me this, what's happening? And then he came back. He's like, yeah, bro. He said, I think he's not going to be able to do it. I think he's got some problems of his own going on. You know, all these Hollywood people are so, they're so diplomatic. Like, he doesn't want to say, you know, but I read between the lines, like,

oh, the kid's a fluk and flake or he's a drunk or whatever. He's like, oh, he's got some problems, some issues. I think he's going through some things right now. So he never made it. He'll still send me things like, I out at him, you know, thank me. And I'm just like, yeah, I'm giving him thumbs up emojis. Like, what am I going to say? No, I did.

You know what I mean? Well, he's telling me, he's telling me like, I went to that motherfuckeruckers. house and I banged on the door and I told him I'd kiss your ass out here and he's like going on and I'm like well I don't think that's a good idea but yeah we can talk about it in the podcast but but he never yeah he never showed up but yeah I wonder like what happens to this guy that my that was going to say that that was my next thing I was going to say to you like what where does he go from here like she Shelley Murphy outed him saying his last like he's that guy that moves in a house like these squatters doing the staying age you know he's been doing this forever right he he you know he he he he

rents this house from you and moves in and you never get a day's rent and you know a year and a half later the sheriff i can escort him out and you lose 18 months rent he did that the last place he was in he had a judgment against them he could pull that up on pace of like 7800 he's just a grifta that goes from place to place and now he moved in this you know mansion as he says that he rented it and i'm you know i bet dollars to donuts he hasn't paid a dime rent and he probably owes this guy about 20 000 right now and that's my goal is for him to be in a tent You know, under the Ova Pass. But I mean, I won't quit and tell.

Well, first of all, he's got an alcohol problem because every time went, because every time I stalked to Sean, he was drunk. And one time I spoke with him, like just him. No, no, actually, I think it was him and the producer. And I mean, he was slurring his words. And as soon as we got off the phone, the producer called me and said, hey, man, I'm sorry about that. You know, he was in a car accident not long ago. They're always making excuses. This was before, yeah.

And I'm like, no, okay. that's funny, but you know, I already feel like something's wrong. And I realize you're just a name. You know, you're not, Sean's not making any decisions. The producer is. He's done nothing. They were all in on him, though. Oh, yeah.

They were 100% believe like, this guy's going to be huge. It's going to be. But anyway, so I wonder, it's like, I think to myself, like, what do you do now? Like, if you really, if you were smart, the best thing to do is go do a podcast and own up to just explain. I'm a piece of shit. Always been a piece of shit. All right, you're going to have to edit this pot out. We don't want him with any ideas.

He salvages this. You know what I'm saying? But that's his only option. Yeah. Is if you went and we're 100% honest, honest about just your life. Yeah, that's his only plate. Like that's his last, that's his last. But he won't.

Like that guys like that won't do it. Yeah. He'll end up, you know, like, because you can't get a job. Your, people will be like, they'll mock you. You can't, you're not going to parlay this into anything. The only way is to go out, do a complete. This is Hawaii. this is what happened.

This is how I did that whole thing. And hope somehow or another you can, you know, reach... Palate into something. Yeah, and something. Now he's fucked. I, and, like, he blocked me on Instagram because I'd clown him and tag him in every video. I had the guy on the podcast with the bag on the head who had the... We drew three red tear drops on the bag.

And his hands were, like, shaking. Like, I say he's in the Hicks gang. And Hicks is going to get a hit out on him right now. And, you know, we joke about it. But, like, he does not leave the house. People send me videos. I'm like, you have a screen record him. He's got me blocked.

And he's constantly in that house with those dogs. I'm like, does this guy even venture outside? Like you said, now he's going to get ridiculed. Everyone's going to be like, oh, that's a dude, you know, being chewed over, you know, this and that. And at least now when you Google him. And then like twice, after I destroyed him, then it was Dan Abrams. People sent it to me.

I'm like, this motherfucker. And then just recently I killed him. And then it's him holding up the New York Post. Like, you know, like, form a boy. Boston mobster, you know. And I remember the lady from the Boston Globe. She called me up. And she goes, actually, I found it afterwards.

You have fans. Like what I mean? She goes, my son follows you when I started laughing. She's like, what's this whole bean shooter thing? And I'm just like, what was I going with that with the Boston Globe? With him holding up the newspaper. You just keep thinking you've won't you. You think you've crushed him and he keeps coming back like a cockroach.

Yeah. It's insane. But I'm hoping, you know. Maybe this is the final nail in the coffin. Mac Cox You know, to me, I think it'd be God, I don't know, God, he's so I could only imagine getting him on the podcast

But to me it'd be like, because I could just keep hammering away out of it. It's like, it's so obvious. Fishing a barrel. Yeah, I mean, but I would love to know. Like if you could, there was a guy Marcus Schroker, you know the guy I wrote that book about? I told you the guy that jumped out of the airplane.

Yeah, the airplane, yeah. Like Marcus Schrenker, you could confront him with the absolute evidence. and he would just switch his story and switch his story. Like, there was very few times when he told you the truth. Like, so to me, if Sean was like, hey, I'll, if he called me up, was like, I'll come on the program, like, and just be exactly honest. Like, I would love to know, just like was Shrinker. I'd love to know, like, what was, you know, what started this?

When did it start? Did you have a plan? How did you, like, the truth, you'll never get it from him, though. The problem is, it'd be like, even if you went and said, look, I'll give you. you 10 grand to come on the podcast and just tell the truth. He wouldn't do it. He couldn't do it. He can't.

He's not physically capable. Which really sucks because let's face it, that's a pretty, that. He pulled off of, yeah. In and of itself is pretty interesting. I mean, he's a scumbag. Yeah. But it's kind of like, how did you, you got a 40, 45,000? 45,000.

45,000. They're going to sue him and go out back out. They have to. They'll never get anything. Yeah. Out of a publisher, bro, you know what the advance I got was? 3500 bucks. Unbelievable.

I got a $3,500 for a true story. Exactly, for a true story. That also was optioned. You know, like you got $4,500, and God knows what else he got. Like according to A.J., although I can't be, AJ told me not to be super specific, but he got additional, people have lent him additional money based on. It's going to take off.

It's going to take off. It's going to blow it. So people have lent him extra money. So he's gotten another $15, $20, $30,000. Minimum probably, yeah. He's got whatever. $70. Yeah, whatever.

say $70,000 on this thing, which is probably how he got in that house. He probably put up six months worth of whatever, and then that's run out. Now they're trying to get desperately trying to get rid of him. And you know him, he's thinking this is going to pile eight a million. So he's not like being frugal. You know, he got that money. He's a drunk. Yeah, he's a drunk and fool.

Right. So, you know, he's probably out there gambling and doing whatever, blowing it on, you know. There's no way that ever gets to a movie now. Oh, no, no. No, no. No, the only thing interesting about this guy now is how he managed to pull off this little scam, but we'll really never know what the genesis of it was or how he, if he had a plan.

His first scam, the first time he made the newspaper and you Google him, he got out of jail, some county jail. And he started, he dreamt this one up when he was in jail that, well, he was, it's like a front page of the Quincy thing, a former rapper ghost. His name is a rapper was ghost, seeks redemption and says he was part of the rap group, made men. And these guys made men. My friend has been in prison 31 years. He's actually with one of them right now, William Ragland. There were two gang bangers from Boston, from Matapana, Roxbury, which is like, you know, Black Powder Boss, and a lot of gangs. And these two kids were involved in this

rap group, made men. And they got in a beef in a, maybe even the Roxy Nightclub in Boston, a room of one of them. And they shot Paul Pierce. Okay. So this was his first story. Former rapper you know, ghost who's Paul Pierce and he ran with that for years. It's still when you Google him he comes up as how he went to his nephew

and rapper who's Paul Pierce, not even part of the case. Right. Doesn't know any of these and these guys wouldn't have been hanging around with Sean Hicks.

I mean these were like some serious kids. One of them's about to get out of prison too. I think it's, I think it's Ragland. He's about to get out and I've talked to him through my friend and all fucking. He's like,

of course he doesn't know a Sean Wick. Right. You know? So, yeah, he just perpetuates these lies and they get told so much. They become truths. Like, people start writing newspaper articles, nephew of former Winter Hill gang boss, Howie Winter, you know. Like, don't they do any due diligence?

Don't they, you know. I just can't imagine what he must. I guess like you're saying. You got a tip your capital, right? Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm saying. I'm impressed at that. Grudgingly. Yeah, yeah.

Like if I would love to have an honest to God. conversation. How did this happen, bro? Did you, did you know, it's just what you were going for? Did it fall in your lap? Like, how did this happen? Like, can you imagine him like with his girlfriend? Like, this is working. Yeah. Dude, they actually believe me. You know? No way. I'm being interviewed by, uh, by, uh, Ron, uh, was English? Yeah. Ronnie. James or James English. Yeah, they're going to New York to be interviewed. Then Dan Abrams, like, these guys got to come out with a, is it a me a couple? They got to come out with something and say, hey, you know. Oh, you know, that's not what the media does.

They just bury it. They just, yeah. They want people, people forget in two weeks. Yeah, exactly. This guy pulled the wool over our eyes. But hopefully it ends real bad. Yeah. You're not going to be happy because they find him swinging.

Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God. And what happens if, not to sit here and like toot my own horn, but what happens if I didn't come out, like he was steamrolling? Like you said, he had these guys all around him. This guy's the next big thing. There's going to be this. blockbuster motion picture and they were, you know, he's in interviews like, it's, you know, it's kind of like, you know, the Bronx tale, but, you know, meets Goodfellas, but the Irish version. I'm like this guy, he actually walked around South Boston claiming, I used to like, you know, it's like Henry Hill, like Park Carr, so, you know, Whitey over here.

And I had Kevin Weeks on the podcast who was Whitey's number one. He's the one, he's the one you probably mentioned who he cooperated, but just against Whitey and Steve Flemmy in the end. And he was just like, and I. It almost bothered him so bad that he didn't want to talk about him too much on the podcast. You know, like if I even met this guy, he would have been in the trunk. Like he wouldn't have, you know, with the three tier drops on any, you know, his whole book. Like I met with Whitey and Whitey was impressed with, you know, my violence and how I handled things. And you look at his age and like, you know, I don't know when Whitey went on the run, you know, 19. I mean, it's just the whole thing, you know, when I was 17 working, there's no way. Nothing adds up with his story.

I don't know how we got this far, but hopefully this is as this is as far as it gets with Mr. Wick. Is that enough? Yeah, I mean, yeah. How far do you think we've, how long do you think we've recorded?

I just turned off the... Yeah, that had said over, that was like four hours, but I know we started five hours. Yeah, five hours, ten minutes. Get the fuck. You owe me like... I'm ready to go.

We can go get dinner right now. Last question. How did you guys get connected? Sorry. How did you guys get connected? So here's the thing. I think you or I, what you just said, like somebody contacted you, one of your fans, or did I? Because somehow or another, we had already talked.

Someone sent me your clip, and it was after I outed Sean Hicks. Yes. Someone sent me a clip where you were talking about it. And I looked and said, wow, this guy's got a lot of subscribers. So now I know what story is getting out there. Right. And I'm like, good. this guy, you know, and I just put like a message, you know, hey, thanks.

And you talk about Hicks on this podcast? Yeah, I think very, I just said this guy. Like, I don't think I really knew his name or I might have said his name, but. With the fake stories now, this one guy, it's starting unravel. Right. And he's very quick. And someone said it's me. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I know who he's talking about.

But he messaged me on Instagram about the story, but very brief. Like, yeah, what a jerk off or something. You know, like, it's very brief. And then I messaged him back. But then I was like, good job. Yeah, and then I checked and I saw your Instagram and I was like, I remember thinking like, because then I checked it out and I was like, oh, it's funny because this is the guy. I watched this guy's, this is the guy I watched his thing.

And I was thinking like you coming on the podcast or something, but I don't know if I mentioned it then. And then AJ at some point, I said, AJ, you should come on and we should talk about, we should talk about Sean Hicks. I said, because you know more of the story than I do. And he was like, yeah, yeah, let's do that. Yeah, I live here. I can come in person. So we went back and forth.

And then I, but we never scheduled it. So like maybe a week or two went by. And I was like, hey, bro, what are we doing? You're going to come or not? And he goes, I've been thinking about it. He's like, you really need to talk to Mike Lee from Bean Shitter. He knows the story. And I go, yeah, but I said, I hear you.

But I need, I said, like, he didn't really have a crime story. He goes, no, are you, he's got, hell he is. He's got a crime story. He starts telling him, I'm telling you, he's been in and out of prison, he's been this, he starts going on. Bro, he's, he's got a crime story. And he should be on your podcast just for that. Plus, you guys can talk about the Hicks thing?

And I was like, and I said, can you put that together? And he goes, yeah, I'll reach out to him right now. A couple days go by, he, I didn't hear anything. So then I thought, you know what, wait a minute. He's all right. We've already swapped a couple of messages. So I went and I was like, let me find him. I was like, oh, here he is.

And then I said, hey, would you go on the podcast? Yeah. And then he came back and said, Yeah. And while you just popped up in Florida this week? Because this was scheduled pretty quick, wasn't it? It was, but it was because I hounded him a few times. And I was like, yeah, you should come, you should come.

And he's like, and then I started doing the voicemail thing. Oh, yeah. I got to stop that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that. I got to think about that. Then I'm like, my daughter's going with her friend and her friend's mother to Clearwater and Coco.

And I thought she said the 10th to the 14th. It's only like four days. but it's actually the 12th. So then the other day, you know, he messaged me. I go, I'm going to try to come on. And I go, I might go there between the 10th and the 14th. And he's just like, real quick, 11th. We should do this.

And I'm like, so I'm playing cards with these guys. And I like book a flight. And I go, I just booked a flight for Tuesday at 555. Because I always take off. Out of the blue. Like it wasn't like a confirmation. I was going to drive to the airport and see if I can get on this flight. And so the kids.

playing cards. He goes, oh, so today you leave it? 55. I thought it was Monday. Like, what do you mean? He goes, it's Tuesday. You just said you booked a flight. It's one o'clock. I'm like, so I shot home, grabbed the bag, and yeah. You feel good? Do you anything else you want? Yeah, I think I did good. I'm amazing. Yeah. I want to just tell everybody I did great. Yeah, I was just, you took the words out of my mouth, Matt. I thought I was here. I'm light sensitive. So, you know, the comments would be like, Scott, what is you, Rachel? They're going to be coming out. me know these lights kill my eyes. It's like when I'm driving at night. But no, thanks to have me on.

I really appreciate it. You guys got a real good, real good operation here. I think it's, you're going to go to the moon now. I think this. Now. I take out to me. From here on out, I take all credit for your success. Yeah. And don't forget me. All right? Don't forget me when you have the Hollywood movie about you. All right? Yeah, we'll see. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching. Listen, do me a favor. Go to the description box. We're going to put the, a link to Mike Lee's, or is it, it's not Mike Lee, it's under Bean Shooter. 69. Bean Shooter, 69.

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Nailed it. Nailed it.