Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Becoming a Career Criminal.... ( On Accident )

Episode Date: June 27, 2022

Cass goes over his crazy story from working for the mob stealing cars to going on the run for 15 years.

Right. And my whole goal was to do it and get out, not do it and make it a career out. Do it, get out, and get to where I got to go and try and figure out something. So I didn't want to make a career long, you know, I wasn't trying to be a career criminal or nothing like that. You know, it's funny how things turn out. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and we're about to do a podcast on Cass. Cass is going to explain real quick about, so it's, you know, Because I have, like, I literally have, I like have, I have a, I have different pictures and, and, and, uh, and articles and stuff. And, and so the name's a little confusing because I got Raphael, Raphael and I've got, um, Mars. Uh, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, and that's, like a DJ name, you said. Yeah, so I've been DJing for about the last, maybe, what, 10 years now or something like that. Yeah, so, um, I was doing other stuff before. So, um, um, I was doing other stuff before. for DJ and I was always into music, but I started DJing about 10 years ago, like traveling, making money. Okay. And it was a big money maker for me.

And so everybody knows me as Cass pretty much. All right. So Cass has an amazing story about being on the run, getting fake passports. Just it's basically just like a, it's just one crime after another after another. But then also turning his life around, going to, going to school, getting caught.

How much prison times you do? I only did about a little over a year and a half. It was a year and a half. A year and a half prison time. So, but anyway, so we're going to go ahead and get into it. So I'm going to just basically like, where were you born? No problem, man. I was born in Los Angeles, California.

Born, raised there pretty much until I finished school, high school. Growing up there, basically, it was me and my mom a lot of time, most of the time. I had a little brother as well. Right. My father, he was there. in and out. I don't think it was all his fault. There was problems, you know, but I was too young to even know what was going on. But that was where I grew up. And my mom always tried to keep me out of, let's say, it was just her. So she tried to keep us out of like, let's say, the ghetto areas,

things like that. But growing up out there, it's kind of hard to, especially when she's going all the time working. So you end up adventuring, wondering out to see different things, you know, stuff like that. But my childhood, I was the oldest, so I had to grow up really quick, really quick. So I think by the time I was maybe like 13, 14, I was the one kind of in charge of my house, pretty much taking care of my little brother, making sure the house runs smoothly when my mom was working, you know, things like that. Right. So, okay. Well, so, I mean, at what point did you start getting into trouble? I mean, well, first of all, like, were you graduate high school? Were you in high school when you got in trouble? Well, I actually

said, it's a funny thing is growing up as a kid, I was kind of the good, I was a good kid actually growing up. I never really got into too much trouble. Now, I would go hang out on the streets on stuff like that because I had family members that did and I would hang them out. But a lot of my family members saw that I was really smart bookwise. And what they wanted me to be was smart bookwise and have street knowledge. And they were like, you're the one is going to do something with yourself. You know, you're the one that's going to be something. We don't want you hanging out here after certain time or things like that. So luckily I had that presence. Yeah, that was going to say that's good because a lot of times people will try and pull

you down they see that and they actually try and stop yeah yeah and i had friends actually that did that they were like you know the crab in the bucket there you know they they saw that i was doing good in school i had good grades everything so i was doing good in school i was on the bass varsity basketball team i played football ran track i did it all pretty much you know as a model kid growing up and like i said i have family members that were basically they were out on the street and then they saw that i was doing better than they were so they pushed me to keep doing good you know that i'm going the one that's going to make it out out. So I graduated high school and everything. And even after high school, I was still doing

pretty good. Like, I used to get in some trouble here and there, but like just little stuff and never really got caught with nothing or anything like that, thank God. But it was just little things. But even after high school, I left and went out of state, actually, and moved to Colorado. In Colorado, there's a lot of military bases there. Do you have the Air Force base, armies there? See, my mom was in the military as well. So I was going to, and I had a lot of family members in the military so i was going to follow my family members and join the military and go to the air force and pretty much that's where life kind of messed up for me actually started making a little wrong decisions here and there what year was that that was um i think year 2001 around 2000

2001 somewhere around there actually is when i moved the carroll springs um like i said i was going to join the air force and i was working and everything i had my own apartment um and i actually actually had a couple roommates with me. And where life kind of turned around for me was Rent was due coming up. My roommate, he ended up moving out and, or not moving out. He actually left. Sorry, he left. And when rent was due, so I was like, what the hell. So I'll go into his room. Only thing in his room was a TV. So at that time, we didn't have cell phones. We had pagers, two-way pages. So I'm trying to get a hold of him, you know, things like that. Finally, he calls me back like seven days later, wherever it is. He goes, hey, I left a TV in a room, go take

the TV. You can go sell that. that, you know, make some money, whatever. Sorry, this bro, I'll owe you rest of the money later. I never heard from him again. Of course. Yeah, so I took the TV. I went to go pawn to TV. Pond of TV got like a couple hundred bucks from it, paid my rent.

Everything's fine. So fast forward a little bit. I'm actually in a relationship now. And I have my woman, she's pregnant with my first child. And when I'm young, I think maybe 22. or something like that. I was really young. So I was out partying all the time pretty much, right? So I would be partying stuff like that or whatever. So I was out at a party one time. And this is maybe a year

later after I pawned TV or somewhere on. I don't remember exactly. I'm driving. I get pulled over. So I get pulled over. The cop comes, grabs my license, you know, registration. I'm like sure. I made an illegal U-turn. Didn't know I did. Did you, were you in the military though? No. You were just, that was your plan that was my plan so i was trying to join the air force and i had to take like the asphab test i had to do a lot of stuff to do to do what i wanted to do right um i was prolonging some things so i started making friends you know right but my whole goal was to join the air force actually so i never made it

there right um so um a cop pulls me over and then when he pulls me over he's um you know takes my driver's license goes back to the car i'm thinking everything's fine i've been pulled over plenty of times now and now driving in Los Angeles is totally different than driving in Colorado Los Angeles cops don't mess with you you can speed all day long you know if you're going too slowly might pull you over Colorado's different story

10 miles of a speed limit to pulling you over so I used to get a bunch of traffic tickets so I'm thinking to myself oh I hope I paid this traffic ticket off I'm thinking how many so the cop comes back I notice four four other cop cars come It's not a good sign yes so I'm like what the hell that I do is because I'm black

what the hell's going on so the cop comes up. He goes, yes. So, um, we need to just step out the car, sir. So I'm being very respectful. And he, I think he sees that. So he takes me out the car and he's like, I'm just want to let you know that you have some warrants for your arrest. Some? Yes, some. So my eyes light up. And he goes, oh, you don't know about them, I guess. And I'm like, no. And he goes, well, turn around and put the cuffs on you. So puts me in the back of the cop car. And he tells me, yes, so you have a warrant for burglary, um, theft. false information to a pawn shop and I think two other I don't remember them all those are the main three that I remember so I'm like what and he goes yeah and he goes your bonds ten thousand dollars and I'm like how the hell so luckily since I was being respectful to him I called a friend my friend grabbed my car for me I told him so we didn't have money to bomb me out of jail like that so I was in jail for like the first two or three weeks before I got bonded out um I still don't know exactly what

what's going on. So I end up talking like months later with my public defender. They show me my discovery, you know, things like that or whatever. Yeah, don't never get a, try and get a real lawyer if you ever get in trouble. Trust me. So end up talking with them. My public defender explains to me, yeah, so you pawn the TV at such and such a pawn shop that TV was burglarized out of somebody's house. So somebody broken to the person's house took the TV and a bunch of items and everything else, I got stuck with the TV, I pawned the TV. So, oh, I had false information to a pawn shop. That was the other charge as well, too.

So the lawyer told me, so, well, I'll get all these other things dropped, but I need you to, but I need you to plead false information to a pawn shop. So I didn't want to go back to jail. So I'm like, yeah, sure, I didn't ask what the repercussions were or anything like that. I'm like, I'll plead to it. I didn't even know it was a felony at the time. Didn't know nothing. So I pled to it.

I think they gave me, like, um, two years unsupervised probation or something like that. So I was like... Basically just don't get in trouble again. You don't have to show up, you don't have to do anything, but just you can't get in trouble. So I ended up, I was like, so that kind of woke me up a little bit. So I ended up going to... What happened with your buddy?

You never said, hey, this fucking guy gave me a TV. Never heard from him again. So if he's out there, I got in trouble for your TV. Never heard from him again ever. Because that one event spiraled you. Spirled everything. He's the one that got the, he may have burglarized, he may have just bought the, or gotten the burglarized TV, you don't really know.

So, but that one event spiraled you onto this whole thing. You got it, you got it. So it's funny how something like that can just change your life. Oh, I can look back in, like looking back and pinpoint exactly, that's when it all went wrong for me, you know? Of course, I made every wrong decision along the way. Yeah. I made multiple longer, but that's definitely the one that really started it.

Yeah. And so, yeah, I never heard from. him again but that that incident kind of woke me up and I was like let me get on joining this military thing so I went to go talk to recruiter to air force and he goes oh you have a felony you can't join so what we can't have a because I didn't know that was a felony right he goes you can't join so I'm like now what am I going to do so I went to the army and they were like yeah you just got convicted a felony you got to wait a few years to join and I'm like whoa what the hell um not only that I'm also on probation even though it's unsupervised but I guess you can't join

why you're on any type of paperwork or something like that. I don't know if it's different now. By that time, you couldn't, I guess. So they kept telling me, no, I couldn't. So I'm like, oh, what the hell am I going to do now? So I'm pissed, mad at him. He's like, what the hell? Da-da-da-da-da.

So basically after that, I started hanging out with some of the guys that I actually met in jail. Or whatever, because, you know, you exchange numbers. He seems cool things like that. He seems all right. He seems like a cool guy. So I started hanging out with some of the guys. guys I met in jail. Mistake number two. That's where a lot of my stuff goes wrong from there. So, um, I was running the streets with them, things like that. Um, never really got caught

doing anything, but we were just always partying that type of stuff, just being irresponsible, you know, as a young 20 year old. Um, I ended up working for a company called MCI. I know for MCI. I just interviewed a guy that had, uh, worked for MCI. He did, he was part of the whole collapse, the whole thing. Oh, he was great. It's a great, his name's Walt Pavlo. That guy owes me a check still. Yeah, that guy, he's, God, I forget how many tens of millions of dollars. Oh, yeah.

It was a massive, a massive scheme that he was involved in. Oh, yeah. So I'm working at the call center that they had there. And I'm doing good. I think I worked there for about maybe six, seven months. And I'm doing good because I ended up, I had the skill that I can sell things, and know I had. So I'm selling, you know, service over the phone to these people.

people, cold calling, doing very well, things like that. And once I get good, I'm like, okay, I'm going to, you know, be here for this. Well, one day we show up and the whole place is just pretty much closed down. The doors are locked. Nobody gives us a warning or anything like that. And we don't know what to do. And after that, I go home and I don't know what to do. I'm like, I can't get a job or anywhere else because I got this felony on my record. Nobody wants to hire me. I was lucky. I think I lied my way to get into that job.

I don't remember exactly what I did, but I remember lying some sort of way to get that job or whatever. So I don't remember how I did it, but I did it. So I'm thinking like, where am I going to work now? What am I going to do? At this time, the lady that I'm with, she already gave birth to my son. So I'm looking at him like, how am I going to take care of everything, you know? She was working at a place too, and the place where she was working at actually ended up closing down as well. They give everybody like a two-week notice. Right. So I'm thinking like,

you know, I got to take responsibility. Because I always grew up as being a responsible one. I got to take responsibility. What am I going to do? So what do I do? I resort to the friends that I met in jail. Right. Of how am I going to make some quick money? And pretty much that's when life even went worse for me from there. So I'm hanging out with them. You know, bills are coming up, stuff like that. So that's when I started basically turning to the streets to do a lot of things so I ran into this guy and this guy was like hey I know another guy

that can help you out so I met with this guy a guy was from like Ukraine something I don't know and he goes we need somebody basically to help us pretty much theft these cars so I'm thinking you know cars from people and he's like no from dealerships

so I'm like are from dealerships he goes yeah I'm not going to explain too much about it but basically I need a crew or I need somebody to just grab these cars and then take them here right or whatever so I'm like all right so um I'm waiting a couple months or whatever it is so within that time while I'm waiting you know I'm still hanging out my friends we're out in streets causing all kind of trouble mischief things like that just little stuff not big stuff though so finally I get a call or I should say a page I think at the time or whatever it was us and tells me to um i call back and tells me um i need you to go here and pick this up so i go and the keys of the cars yeah pretty much the key yeah like there was everything was set up for you

already so pretty much i go and next thing you know there's some i go to this dealership and there's like tons of i'm not talking about a little i'm talking about a big dealership too so i'm seeing like keys and or i'm saying there's cars everywhere and then after that um there's like directions that they give me or whatever and the directions were like look over here there's a seat there's um a lock box for a key for a car right some of them come in plastic some of them are metal where all these are in plastic they're like well if you look on the windshield you'll find one with the lockbox the key is inside just open it up getting a car and drive off so I'm looking like where's this car I didn't give me a color so I happen to see this bright blue lockbox I'm like I think that's it

open up key drive off hold the car for a couple days you know da da da da but Um, come to find out, I think they were testing me at first just to see, you know? So, um, uh, anyway, the guy ends up coming to pick the car up, like a few days later. And he goes, all right, I see that, you know, you can do this. And he has his accent. So you can barely understand what he's saying. I see that you can do this. I'll send you some more work.

So next thing you know, he tells me about three cars. And I'm like, all right. What are you getting per car or you get their paying you something? Yeah, they are paying me. Um, so it all depends on what it was, to be honest with you. It could be. anywhere from a few hundred dollars to almost a thousand just depends it depends on how far because every time the drop-offs are always somewhere different too they weren't always the same so it's all

depend on what it was so eventually i ended up getting like a a little crew together because i couldn't like the guy would tell me go get three cars and i can't go get three by myself have to go get one drop it off go get the other one drop it off go get that you know so yeah and i'm scared of getting caught you know because i've never done nothing like this but i just know i'm making some money right so the risk is from picking up the car to actually the point where you have to drop off. Is it 100 miles? Is it 30 miles? Well, most of it was kind of far. So most of it was about anywhere from, I would say, 75 to about 150 miles. So if you get grabbed in that time, you're just fucked. Pretty much, yes. And these guys and, well, the one guy I know, looks like a type of guy

you don't want to mess around with, you know. So if you get grabbed, you just get grabbed and you better just bite the bullet. Right. Well, yeah, Ukrainian mob or. Yeah, I had a feeling, but like to this day, I still don't know. You know, I don't know, but I just, you just, you just, get that fill in from certain people, you know? I know a guy who was with the Albanian mob, and he, yeah. This is a guy that was in prison with me for kidnapping someone, duct-tapping him to a chair, and taking a cattle prod to his nuts until he came up with $100,000 that he owed his boss. Oh, man.

And he was one of those guys that you looked at and you knew, like, you don't tell on this motherfucker. You just do the time. Oh, man. There's some people I look at and I think, oh, telling on that, mother. I'm telling me. You're going down because you ain't going to do shit. You better hope they talk to you before they talk to me.

This guy is like, yeah, I'm just going to not say anything. I'm just going to take this one. You know, you might see me in the cell one day and kill me or something. You're sitting on the street. But he was one of those type of guys that you just kind of tell. So I just learned early not to ask questions. Don't ask any questions about this guy. So, yeah, so I'm basically, I got a little crew together now.

got a couple guys and this is what we're doing after a while I eventually I'm trying to put the timeline together for you how it's correctly so after a while I kind of slowed down a little bit

well I had two cars sitting where I was living at waiting to get dropped off and I'm waiting for two of my guys to come get them dropping off because I'm at the point now where I ain't really got to do much yeah you got that good crime money yeah starts piling up and you start getting lazy you got it so i'm sitting there

actually sorry this is early in the morning early in the morning for some reason i'm up i don't know why maybe seven and a m i don't know why i'm up think my son woke up something i don't remember so like boom boom boom oh shit i think that's the police you know yeah they have a knock yeah so yeah look through the people of course what do i see you know they got the finger of the people, you know, don't answer. I don't say not one word. We just sit there for a little bit. Boom, boom, boom. They're knocking for about a good 15 minutes. They stop. So where I live at, it was like an apartment complex. You can open up the blinds and you can see like where I had the vehicles located at. So I kind of peeked through the blinds and I see three cop cars. The cars that were

there that you know we had are gone and then in return there's two there's a cop car in each spot right whatever so i'm like oh shit so they're being cute yeah first thing i'm thinking like who told on me that's first thing i'm thinking like who told on me who said something somebody had to say something so eventually the cops leave i don't know if they thought i wasn't home or not so i'm thinking like i can't i don't want to go out the front door i don't know what because they might be waiting for me you know right you know they're not dumb So I'll wait for about a good hour and eventually open up a side window

crawl out the window and just take off, whatever, right? Left. From there, I end up going to a friend's house told him what happened. He's down for the call. He's like, yeah, you can stay here as long as you want, bro, I got you.

You know, da-da-da-da-da-da. You know, one of the friends I met from jail, actually. Yeah, yeah. I got you, bro, I got you. So I'm like, I'm not staying here. I'm not staying in the city that I got to get out. So I ended up leaving a couple days later and got out the city. I left, went out of state. I think I'm with the Nevada or something like

that. So I'm out in Nevada for about maybe a good five, six months. You know, doing all right, doing fine. I'm laying low. You know, I'm not working anything. I'm just laying low. And I get a how, I'm sorry, how long did you do the car thing for? I didn't do it that long. I only did it for maybe four or five months, something like that. Wasn't that long. So it's not like you've got a huge amount of stockpiled money. Yeah, so I just, I just did it enough just to get me to where I needed to be. Right. And my whole goal was to do it and get out, not do it and make it a career out of it. Do it, get out, and get to where I got to go and try and figure out something. So I didn't want to make a career long, you know, I wasn't trying to be a career criminal or nothing like that.

You know, it's funny how things turn out, but I was, that wasn't my goal or whatever. So I'm in Vegas, you know, so let's say maybe this is a year from when it's all started, the whole car thing. So I'm in Vegas. I'm sitting there. I get a call from my friend. He's like, hey, you're all over crime stoppers. And I'm like, crime stoppers, for what? He's like, there's all kind of stuff.

You're wanting for a hostage situation. There's a bank robbery. All kind of things. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Time out. Whoa, whoa, whoa. So he's calling me Warren. I'm thinking he's lying.

Right. I don't know. So at that time, there was no internet. I mean, there's no, like, Facebook. They can't show you any articles or anything like that. We didn't have access really to that stuff. because this is maybe like 2003-ish or four-ish, something around there, I'm not sure, three-ish. So I'm like, so I got to take his word for it.

I'm like, okay, so I know to basically lay low even more now. So I'm pretty much nervous. I'm having nightmares every night deciding what to do. So maybe a month or two months later, my son, who's still back in Colorado, get sick or something like that. And I was real big on trying to be there, you know, for my son. so he's really sick so I'm like oh man what I have to do I can't not sit here and why he's over there suffering because he's only I think he was a year and a half or two years at that time so I was like and I remember my dad not being around so I was like I got to go back so I actually went back

to go see about him so when I went back I went to go stay with the friend who helped me out the first time so I'm staying with him and he's got two more other people staying there now So I'm at his house and I'm probably there maybe a good, maybe a month or something like that. My whole plan was to leave and get out and go back to where I was. Didn't happen at all. One morning, wake up once again to that bang, bang, bang, bang at the door. Wake me up and this house is like a two-story house. And I'm on the second floor.

The bedroom my man is facing the backyard. So I know that knock. I'm like, oh, shit, let me climb out this back window and jump back yard, right now, you know. I look throughout the back window. There's a cop in this yard. Yeah. They don't knock on the front door until they got the back covered. Yeah.

So I look and I'm like, holy shit, helicopter. I can hear the helicopter in the sky. I'm like, what the fuck? So in Colorado, all the houses have basements. So in the basement, there was a crawl space. So I managed to make my way to the basement, getting this little crawl space that had like a piece of wood. that's like covering the crawl space or whatever and inside the crawl space there's a pipe I'm crawled up the pipe because I'm small I crawl up the pipe and I'm hiding in there

and I'm under the stairwell in the house like deep in the house you can't see you have to know I was there right really and the cops aren't going to look that hard yeah probably they're probably not going to send somebody up yeah so they're in this house and they're looking for me and I can hear everything as I'm in the stairwell so I can hear them run up and out of stairs I can hear them questioning people where is he at da da da da da da so far nobody's saying nothing Nothing. I can even hear when they open up the basement and open up the closet where I'm at. I can hear that. And around a cross space is a little bit of light from the piece of wood that's blocking this little hole in I'm in. Yeah. So I can see like the door opening up. I hear them footsteps coming. I'm like, oh, damn, you're close. And I'll suddenly leave it. And I'm like, yes, they didn't, you know. So the guy goes, I'm sure he's not in here because we can da-da-da-da. And you can hear him on a radio talking to somebody or whatever. Whoever he's talking to, I guess the guy is telling him keep looking or whatever. And the guy is trying to say- you go in. Yeah.

The guy's trying to say, he went in and he didn't come out. Yeah. So the guy's trying to say, yeah, he's not here, such and such, basically like wasting our time. So then all of a sudden,

I start hearing whispering. Like, sips, and I'm like, why are they whispering? What's going on? Somebody's telling them. 15 minutes later,

the door opens back up. And I'm like, oh, shit. Guy comes in there. This time you see a flashlight. Oh, whatever. He leaves. I'm like, all right.

Now, a flashlight, and you hear a dog. and I'm like I'm coming out I'm coming out me no I'm still I'm still there I'm holding on to the last hope

still there so all of a sudden that little piece of board slides out the way and I'm looking down like this on the pipe because I'm crawled all the way up the dog comes through

looks at me I look at the dog I'm like I'm about to get bit dog doesn't do nothing walks back out the hole and I'm like That this dog, just what the hell's going on? So then I hear the cop go, something with what the hell's going on?

And he goes into the hole. I see his head, sees the pipe, and it flashes up and looks at me. Got him! Pulls me down by my leg. Those cops are so pissed. They pull me down by my leg. He lets the dog bite me there. Oh, yeah, he lets the dog bite me there.

And it pulls me down my leg. Now in this basement, he lets the dog bite you? He lets the dog bite you? the dog bite me here's broken glass in the basement he's pulling me along his broken glass my pants are ripped i'm bleeding everywhere they basically hog tie me they're just so mad because they're in that house looking for me forever yeah um finally they have me up against the wall had me handcuffed they have a picture like yep that's him that's him i'm like okay so finally they take me out i have no shoes on my pants are ripped up um they have all this is for car theft well remember i also have

for the other stuff that I was in trouble for, which I didn't know about. So they end up, which I found at the time odd, but as I got older, I see why they did this. So I remember, I'm bleeding everywhere. So then they take me to some parking lot that really has nobody in it, and they have a paramedic meet me to make sure I'm fine, I guess. I'm thinking, why is there a pet me in an apartment parking lot? Now that I'm older, I'm like, they didn't want nobody to see what was going on, that, you know, basically let the dog bite me and everything else.

So paramedic is like, he's fine, he can go. So they take me to the county jail. Now, they don't take me into intake right away. They take me into a little interview room. So I'm sitting there. Two detect detectives come in. And then they come in and they go, so you know why, you know, you're arrested. I'm like, no, you know, I'm playing dumb.

I don't tell them myself. I'm like, you're like, so, you know, you've been caught red handed. I'm like caught right handed doing what. They're not telling me anything. So the guy's phone rings, he leaves, comes back in. He goes, listen, we got to get to the point. Where were you this time of the day? and such and such and such.

I wasn't even in the state because this is something maybe to happen why I was gone. This is somebody that looks like you. Yeah. So I'm like, I wasn't in the state. He's like, are you sure? And I'm like, yeah, I can verify that.

I'll tell you right now I wasn't not here in this state. I have proof I was not in this state, such and such and such. This and that. Like I have a bus ticket under it because at the time you can get a bus ticket, you know, you could tell me any name you wanted to and get on the bus.

So I have a bus ticket under this name. You could probably look it up. I might even still have it in my backpack. You guys ripped apart. under a different name, the shows I left. So come to find out, I guess those people that I had doing stuff with me, they took it steps further, a lot further. They started just doing all kinds of things.

They started robbing houses. They started breaking into people's homes. They held some people hostage. That's where the hostage thing came from. They tried to rob. They tried to do all kinds of things. And I guess when they got caught, blamed it on me and said I was the head guy in charge. charge since I was gone.

So they tried to say that I was a ringleader. I did all this. So I had to take a lie detector test. I passed that. And then there was proof that I was not even there during this time. So thank God I wasn't there. And so all those charges, I never got found guilty. Or I should say they had to drop all those.

So I had, I think, three Grand Theft auto charges they had on me or something like that, plus my original charge so four felonies now so go back to jail now now my bond's even more it's like 25 30 grand or something like that sitting here in jail this time i don't remember if i bond out or not i remember sitting there for a while um now i don't go to um prison yet actually they put me on a uh work release program actually so work release you can go to work right turn yourself back in So I'm doing that for about two or three months. Start hanging out with the guys I met from jail the first time. You da-da-da-da-da-da, party and everything else.

And I'm getting drunk one night and don't go back. So don't go back. Now they hit me with an escape charge or whatever. Don't learn for me, guys. Please don't learn for me. So you get hit with an escape charge. I wasn't on a run that long because I was still in the same city or whatever. I don't know if I felt invincible at this time or just gave up.

I don't know. So maybe like three weeks. I'm in a car with somebody else who was AWOL from the Army. Right. So they're looking for him too. So we're in some parking lot of cop, I guess, just runs and play. I don't know exactly what happened to this day. And next, you know, we get caught back to jail again.

This time I know I'm going, you know, I'm getting locked up. Yeah, yeah. It's not kitty camping. Yeah, I know this time. Yeah, I'm prepared. Like, yeah, I'm getting some time this time. So I basically I'm in jail, probably like county jail for like six, seven months. You know it takes a while.

I end up getting a court appointed attorney firing my public defender because public defender wanted me to take a deal for like 15 years or something like that, whatever. Because escape charge at that time, it was a maximum like 12 years or whatever. And you had to do a minimum, I think, of four, six or something like that. I don't remember. But there was a minimum, you know, every state has a minimum. So it was a minimum of four or six I had to do. You know, on top of the other charges I was arguing trouble for.

Right. So he wanted me to take this plea deal. I ended up firing him. They got a court-appointed attorney. He helped me out a little more. So the judge ends up, they end up sentenced me to 10 years prison. That was my original charge. So how much time do you have to do on a 10-year bid on the state? At that time, it was...

Is this Colorado? This is Colorado. But, see, the rules change since from then. into now. A lot of it's changed. Back then, I think I had to do 60%. I don't remember exactly what it was, but I know I had to do more back then than you do now. Now it's like if it's non-violent, violent, it's only 33%. So if you get a 10 year, you're doing what three and a half years if you're good. And do you go to on parole at that time? Or is it just that's, that's the most, you did 33%? You're good. No, you go to, you go on parole. And you can go to halfway

house, I think, at like 20% or something like that or whatever, if it's nonviolent in Colorado. So they changed. I need to go to Colorado, right? With all the weed, man. That's what happened. So they changed it. But back then it was different. So all my crimes are nonviolent and it was my first time. It was our first time offender. So the judge actually recommended me for a prison boot camp. They don't have that no more in that state anyway, but at the time they did. So he goes, if you graduate prison book, if you graduate the boot camp program, I'll make sure you come back and I'll give you reconsideration. I'll give you another chance. Right. Because they saw that even, like, growing up as a kid, I didn't have any troubles.

They were just amazed that all of a sudden I turned 22 and I get all these feelings out to blue. Like, what the hell happened with you or whatever? So I end up going to prison. I have to go, like, to the whole waiting facility, you know, which is like a medium or whatever it is. Right. Sitting there for about a good four months or something like that.

They end up sending me to South Park, Colorado, which I didn't even know was a real place, like South Park. Real place, never knew that till then. So they send me to South Park, Colorado. There's a prison facility there. So now I'm sitting there waiting, too. I'll wait there for another three months. Now, from there, I go to the prison boot camp.

So then I go to the prison boot camp, which is in like Buena Vista, Colorado, I think it was, if I remember correctly. What's yours is this? This was 2004, I think four. All right. So go there, and I'm in the prison boot camp. By the way, which is not easy. That's probably the hardest thing I ever did in my life. I went through Hell Week and football and everything.

this was tops all of it we went that you go on a squad they send you on the bus they really don't prepare you it's about i think it was a little over a hundred of us on this bus we get there they take the cuffs off us you're shackled up they take the shackles off so we're in this bus like oh our shackles off yeah this drill sergeant walks in big as hell buff everybody stand up and of course you got some tough thugs in there they're like uh forget you so they have this bill the hat with a bill and they based their training off like the old 60s marine 50s marine training yeah takes the bill and goes like that into the bridge of your nose guys nose cuts right open everybody stands up like oh shit you know so we stand up get off the bus got us going these drills

um the whole system basically i think it was like five months it took only 22 of us graduated out of 100 something that's how hard it is 22 of us graduate and if they don't graduate now you just go to prison? So these guys came to the conclusion, I'm just going to go to prison. Yes. Now, the one thing they did do good, I would say, was those people that ran the prison boot camp, they would not let you quit. So even if you wanted to quit, they would give you like three or four chances. They will put you in a room, let you cool off, and then maybe somebody will come talk to you. Do you have a family out? Da-da-da-da-da-da. Please, if you went there and let's say, because we're all new each other before, we're all waiting together. So they would come up to you like, hey, Matt, you know such and such,

Do you think maybe you want to talk to him? You know more about him than me. I'll let you go talk to him. You guys have some one-on-one time. Try and talk about and not quitting. So I will say they did, they did kind of care about you, you know, about where you were going in life. Well, then, no, you got to get frustrated. And you're like, you get exhausted, and you're just like, I just want to quit.

Oh, yeah. I'll do anything to get out of this situation. Oh, yeah, because the first two months, they don't tell you to after you, and you're like, you're about to graduate. The first two months, they break you down. It's to break you down, then they start building you back. up. So you talk about your mom, they talk about your kids, to do whatever they can to break you down to your most lowest point. And then they build you back up. So I mean, yeah, it was very hard. And there was girls in there too. We were actually, it was co-ed. So we had girls. Every girl made it. It was four girls. They all made it. So out of 22, the four girls made it. The toughest guys did not make it. All the big gangsters and thugs, they rather would go to prison. They couldn't do it. So I ended up graduating, not graduating, but also as a squad leader. So I had like high honors. So I had like high honors. actually. So when I graduated, you know, I'm sitting there waiting for my reconsideration. Well, while I'm waiting for my reconsideration, they call me into the counselor's office.

So I go to the counselor's office and she goes, I need you to sit down. Well, while I'm sitting down, there's also a chaplain there or a priest or whatever. And she goes, let you know I got a phone call, you know, that your wife, well, she wasn't my wife, but, you know, they've been into an accident. and your son passed away. So, you know, that was like my worst fears because I've always wanted to be there for him. The reason why I even went to boot camp was to graduate, come out,

be back with him in his life, stuff like that or whatever, you know? So once they told me that, everything that's like, crash, I didn't know what to do. Basically, they tell you that, say I'm sorry, and then they send you back. Right. You know, so now you're back to where you're at. They had a service.

now I was allowed to go to the service they escorted me to the service I really couldn't do much I had to be in the back I was yeah stuff like that um after the service I got sent back um all the drill instructor boot camp instructors they're all feel bad for me yeah you know they're all like we never seen nothing like this is horrible so they're all wishing for me the best this and that so but you still have to go to the program yeah so um you know graduate and everything so after that they send me back to county jail for a reconsideration so i go to my reconsideration

um county jail you know the judge finds out everything that happens they're reading the d a is even reading good things about me i've never seen that before in my life the d a he stands up because i've been to the boot camp this guy graduate honors i think he deserves second chance this and that da da da so i'm saying like wow looking i'm like they never say anything good you know i'm like okay i did something good the judge finds out what happens to my son he's like you know i told you I promised you if you graduate, you know, I will reconsider you. So they consider me for a halfway house. They lowered my term. I think it was from 10 to four years in a halfway house. So I end up going to the halfway house. The halfway house is only 10 minutes down the street

from pretty much where my son's buried at. Never got to see where he's buried at. I needed to make peace. Needed, like I just needed that or whatever. Um, because like, you're, like, you're used to, not used to, but you expect your parents to die, right? You expect that to happen. But when your kid dies, it's like you're supposed to be their protector. It's like you're not used to that. There's nobody that can consult you. Nobody knows how you feel in a statement through that too.

So you're trying, I'm trying to figure out what to do. So I go talk with the counselor at the halfway house and I'm like, listen, you know, I need to go make peace with my son just for my mental stability, you know, because I wasn't there when it happened. And basically, she's like, I tell you what, if you go out, go get these, go do what you have to do. Pay your fines. I need you to go get a job. And, you know, then we can talk about that. And I probably will let you go. So I said, all right. So I'm in a halfway house for about a good month. I actually go out and get two jobs. I get a night and a day job. I barely sleep. I go to

the halfway house sleep three hours a day. That's it. Right. My first checks, I give it all to the halfway house. I'm like, here, here's my, because you got to pay rent too. Yeah. So here's my rent. Here's money for my fines. Here's extra money for my fines. You know, I went and did everything I was supposed to do. Can I go visit my son now? And she's like, sorry, no, you can't go. Why? Because there's no landline phone.

So everywhere I had to go had to be an landline phone. There's no online phone at a graveyard because you weren't supposed to have cell phones at time. Well, she knew that when she told you to do all this shit. Yes. So I'm upset. I go to walk out. There's a guy that works there at the front desk that you check in at the halfway house.

He hears everything. He goes, tell you what, I'll let you go. go you go right now you know and I'll cover for you like you went to go to Walmart to buy some hygiene stuff or something all right right thanks yeah that that doesn't make sense to me because like you'll let me go do go to Walmart you'll let me go to the pharmacy to get medication you'll let me go to the doctor like there's no land light like I don't have to have I don't check in when I go to Walmart for two hours yes but you weren't but you can go get hygiene stuff right which made no sense so I didn't get the whole logic of that right so and you weren't going to spend

fucking, you weren't saying, hey, I need to go here for two days. You're saying, let me go see my son's, let me go for an hour. Yeah, just to make peace, say by, whatever I have to do, grieve because I never had it. You can't grieve in jail. You can't, you know that you can't grieve in jail. So I never got a chance to grieve. So,

it was kind of late during a day, like maybe six or seven o'clock or whatever. The guy goes, sure, go ahead. So I leave, I go, get to the grave. There's a guard there. The guards like, yeah, cemetery's closed. Sorry. So I'm trying to explain to him. hey, I just want to go see my son.

Da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Guys like, sorry, can't go. Do you want me to call the police? I'm like, oh. So I end up leaving. I go back to the halfway house. When I go back, I go to check back in, you know, that from my hygiene stuff. Well, my counselor's right there instead.

She goes, yeah, you were where you're supposed to be at. I'm like, I didn't tell him. You know, I didn't tell her that the guy let me go. I didn't want to tell him. I'm nothing like that. It's never been that type person. She goes, well, just like, you know you violated and the police don't know way to come get you and I need you to sit right

there. No, I'm not sitting here. I've... I flipped the table. I flipped everything I could and I walked out. I ran. There was a highway across like the halfway house was sitting next to the highway. I remember running out, even ran across the highway. I don't even know where the hell I was running to. Ran across the highway. I'm dodging cars. Basically left, never went back. The next day I even left the state and never went back. And now it was a start of my journey of pretty much dodging the law was from there. So I basically left the state after that, you know, went to a whole different state. I think I went to Nevada. I went to Las Vegas actually. Right. It was in Las Vegas for a little bit. Funny thing is I was out there and I started hanging out with this girl that was out there

who was also on the run. How do you find people on the run so easily? This is the second person you mentioned that was also on the run? I don't know. I guess it's like, I never met anybody on the run when I was on the run. I guess it's the, what you're attracted to. I don't know what it was, but I was staying at this place. Actually, um, because, you know, Vegas, there's a lot of hotels wherever. So they have weekly hotels. I'm staying in a weekly hotel. And she's there with her mom and she's on the run too from some probation violation from a different state. I don't remember exactly. So we're in a car one day. She's driving around. And next thing, you know, um, cops go to pull her over. They pull her over. They pull her.

her over. Now, I don't have my ID or driver's license on me. I throw minds away or whatever hell it is. They pull her over. Now, she didn't know my real name. Thank God. I told her a fake name. I'll remember what I told her, because this is the part where I got to start giving people fake names. Right. So the cop takes her, gets ready to put or has her in handcuffs. Their question to me asking why I don't have a driver's license on the strip of Las Vegas. Like, why I'm like making up some story. I don't remember I lost it in some casino. I don't remember. I don't remember. So anyway, they end up letting me go. And then from there, I'm thinking, I got to get a name. I got to figure out what to do, you know, this and that. So I end up jumping on a Greyhound bus

and going all the way to the East Coast, pretty much. And that was how I ended up on this side of the, you know, of America. So I ended up taking a bus going to the East Coast, thinking it went to, what was it, New York first? I think it was New York. So I ended up going there. And I started, thinking about how am I going to get a name. So the funny thing is, me and you have something similar when it came to the whole name thing about, remember how you say, how you got yours from like the homeless people, whatever was, so mine was kind of similar but a little different or whatever. I didn't go around, I didn't ask them the questions, but what I would do was I would basically

I was very good at scoping people out, very good at that. So I would scope somebody out and I'd be like, all right, looks like they're not doing much their life. Right. You know, they're not doing much. What if they'll let me pay them to basically, you know, let me, you know, use their name. So I would try and figure out a way to, I was always a hustler.

So I would hustle up some money, sell what I could. Hey, I pay this much money if you just pretty much, you know, let me get your birth certificate. I promise not to get in trouble, you know, anything else. If I do, I get arrested, you can always say that wasn't me because they have a mugshot. I stole your stuff. So most people have nothing else going for them. Like, sure, yeah. So, you know, they took some money to this and that.

So that was how I started living. So I started, you know, taking different names doing that. I would have a backup every time. Yeah, but once you get the past, I mean, once you got your, the name or the birth certificate, like, did you go get an ID in that person's name? Yeah, so I figured out which states didn't connect driver's license or which states didn't have to do fingerprints for, you know. So I would go to a state that didn't connect with this state. You didn't live in a state and just go get a driver's license under that person's license. name. Now I'm legit. You know, and that's what all I would do. Um, so, you know, there's a couple

states out there. I don't know if it still is. It's a while ago, but they just didn't connect. No, there's still, it's, it's a hub system. So, so they have to request the photos from other states. Yes. So it's not like, like, you can't, you can't pull up the information from another state, but you can't necessarily pull the photos from another state. So same thing with the, the, the fingerprints. Even if you went and got a think, got fingerprinted in Georgia, they don't run the fingerprints. They just keep them online. Yeah. They just keep them. in their system they're not running them like hey those don't match up with you you're a felon you're they don't know that happens they use it for identification purposes if they need it if there's

an issue but but yeah there's and there's only like 10 or 15 states that even have fingerprints yeah and california is one of them that's where i yeah originally got my driver's license from Georgia does yeah and i know here they don't um carolinas don't so i had to i've had to find out which states i was scared of my fingerprint because i didn't know what if it tracks so i was like let me go to states where they don't have fingerprints going in the DMV sitting there with all that fucking shit and going up to the guy like sweating the whole time sweating sitting there people are talking and I'm sitting there going I'm standing I got fake this fake that thing everything is fake and I'm about to walk in and get my

picture fucking taken and there's a sheriff standing right there they always have like a sheriff's deputy sitting at the front desk yeah and you're like oh this is so bad at the front desk and then they're like Mr. Johnson and I don't know about you but I'm looking at thinking about my exit strategy too I'm thinking if something goes wrong they take too long do I just walk this way I go this way. Which way can I go? How can I run? How far will I get?

Where's my car? Yeah. So, and I remember getting that first ID. She came back and I'm like, yes. Oh my God. Yes. Walking out. I'm looking.

It's so pretty. Aren't they so fucking pretty? Oh, yeah. It's like the prettiest thing I'd ever seen. It was like, oh. It's beautiful. Yeah. So, I'm like, so then I started thinking.

I'm like, so I got a new name. I'm, what am I going to do? I'm not, I'm not going to go and resort back to the stuff I was doing. I'm not going to. to do, like, crime. I'm not going to do that. I can't get fingerprinted. Yeah, so I can't risk going back to jail because now I go back to jail. Um, I already, you know, have one escape charge. I left the half house and in Colorado, they automatically, well, they used to. They changed that. They automatically give you an escape charge even fly up and halfway house. Now I got,

we'll have two escape charges. What is it now absconding? Yeah, now it's upscounding. They, they changed it actually. And we'll get into that when it got changed, too, because it just recently happened, actually. Um, so I'm dealing with me. Um, so, um, um, I'm, um, um, So now I got another escape charge, and I'm like, great. Now it's going to triple. I'm looking at 12 years just for that one charge. So I'm like, I can't risk it. So I'm like, what am I going to do? So I ended up, you know, getting a regular job. I'm working at a restaurant serving, barteen action, bartending restaurant, you know, doing great, this and that. So I'm like, epiphany hits me one day. And I'm like, if my son was still here, how would I want him to live? I want him to go to school. I want him to be the best he can be. He's not here anymore. So let me do what he couldn't do. I want to go. to school, how am I going to go to school? So I ended up going to New York City, not going to say the country yet, you know, whatever. So I end up going to New York City walking into this country basically like their embassy or whatever the hell it is. And so I walk in there, you know, and I got my fake stuff. So basically I let them know that I want to go, you know,

have residents in your country or visa to go to school and you start asking you questions like why this and that I'm like well I heard that you know your education system is great I'm just you know just blowing smoke up their ass wonderful well if you can come back

you know they set a date for me to come back so I go back I'm in there for about a couple hours walk out with a visa to go to that country oh man I'm thinking to myself what else can I just so much stuff that I can do you know that you wouldn't think about doing you know and I'm like I'm on a run and

this and that so I'm going to that country go to that country and when I get to that country it dawns on me how am I going to go to this college I don't have any transcripts I don't have any of that or whatever right so get online find those places that you can buy transcripts and things like that right so I buy transcripts and I'm going to some college or you or university, whatever they call it up there. It's a little different up where I went and end up going there. And the next thing, you know, they're, you know, asked for my transcripts. So I'm going to ask, I'm wondering, like, hope this works, hope this works, hope this works.

Oh, you've been accepted. Oh, great. We need you to pay this fee. Shit. I don't have this much money. So end up finding like there's some sort of loopholes into that, found a loophole to where they can pay for half my schooling and all kind of things. End up going to schooling, end up graduating actually and got a, uh, um, um,

business management degree out of it went to school for three years and graduated out of that and working doing a normal life and you know was everything else was to even paying taxes where I was at living like a normal citizen um at this point in my head I think I I really had to think and forget about everything I went through at that time so I can not have nightmares at night of being stalked or dream because you know, I couldn't sleep sometimes. Somebody's going to knock on my door and arrest me, you know, because this is maybe, especially after three years later down the road, you know.

So I spent about another, what, year in that country doing pretty good. So my visa's up. I have to leave. So I don't want to get in trouble in another country. I don't know what the charges are going to be for that. And I'm like, great, you know, I have to leave the country. My visa's up because I don't know if immigration is going to be looking for me or whatever it is. So I had a relative of mine. He changed his name. And he goes, hey, you know, I changed my name.

How about you take my old name? I'll give you everything and you can move back. You don't have to worry about nothing because it's my old name, you know. He goes, the only thing I didn't change my social or whatever, but he's like, I'm not doing much. My credit sucks anyway. I'm not doing anything with it. I pay for everything cash. But you can take my old name or whatever. So he, so he went to court legally changed his name, but you still have his birth certificate and everything from the old name. So I take it, end up leaving, coming back here, actually, and funny thing is when I get to border, going to the country is a piece of cake. Coming back, I was at the border for four and a half hours. Yeah, coming in the U.S. is an issue. Yes, they took apart everything

I had, everything to make sure I wasn't transporting drugs. I remember I had an old Xbox. They took it apart and didn't even put it back together all kind of stuff so end up getting through that and I'm like and I'm in upstate New York at the time um go to New York City because I was familiar with New York City familiar because I was there the first time living there for a little bit um and then at this time I get my my relative's name changed my name to his to his old name so I ended up moving here I moved here to Florida I think it was 10 years 11 years ago actually 2000 2011 or something like that is when I moved here. So yeah, 11 years ago is when I moved here. Moved here to Florida. I moved here under that name that I was going by. And met a bunch of friends, you know. I'm a normal guy, you know, met a bunch of friends and stuff like that.

And this is when I work. I was selling cars, actually. So a lot of my friends I have now were in a car business. I started selling like for Ford, Nissan, Accura, Mitsubishi, because I was a good salesman. start selling cars so I'm making pretty good money at that um then from there I start getting the DJ in or whatever and I'm like okay I can make really good money a DJ in and I just kind of fell into an accident so I'm making this money and I'm actually end up meeting um the person I'm with now or whatever she doesn't know anything nobody now none of my friends know anything I have all these friends called nobody knows nothing about me whatsoever right because I didn't want to you know say anything because if I say something if somebody says the wrong thing gets interrogated I'm done I didn't want to risk that I also didn't want to put other people in trouble too I don't want to have like oh he's

harboring a fugitive I didn't want them to get in trouble for that or any of that so I was like if I go down I'm going to go down because of me yeah not nobody else so um I end up meeting this woman we end up um we get pregnant we have a kid we have our daughter we get married everything um Start a couple businesses. All kind of life is great, pretty much. It is fantastic. We're doing good. We've got a big two-story house, brand new cars, living in a nice neighborhood.

We've got employees. So at this time, in my head, I've gotten so used to living in another person's name. I think I literally believed I was the other person. You know what I mean? You feel like you've got it licked. Yeah, I got it right. I'm not, you don't even feel. wanted it anymore. I get pulled

over. The cops would be behind me, hit the fucking lights, and all I'm thinking is, am I going to get a ticket? Like, I'm not even thinking they're going to recognize me. They're going to, I was so used to it. So, I had that, I had everybody fooled. I felt good. Yeah. It was, it was, it was so far in your memory,

in the back of your mind that yeah, I know exactly. Yeah, got it. And I can only imagine having gone at this point, how long had you been on this. This was, just about four, yeah, 15 years, actually. This is 15 years at this point. So it's been so long that, like I said, I literally blocked a lot of things out. And I

think I did that on purpose so I can live how I was living, you know, as a normal person. I want to be as normal as I could be, you know, and be a regular person, a citizen. I didn't want to be this, you know, oh damn, this guy's because people start hearing fugitive if they think you just murder thousands of people. They just

assume things. I would drive, have cops behind me. I wouldn't be nervous or nothing. I wrote my window down and go, hey, the funny thing is, DJ and I actually DJed a wedding for a cop and he had a bunch of cops there, you know? Right. DJed a wedding for him and everything and I wasn't nervous at all. You know, I was like, let me go DJ the wedding, make the money.

What are they going to do? You know, they're not going to suspect anything. Right. So, yeah, so I mean, like, I had friends in all kind of different places that didn't know. I was actually one of the businesses I got into, we talked a little bit about this on the phone was mobile home, start buying mobile home. and raining them out and, you know, rent to own. The guy who taught me that, he's a multi-millionaire. He had no idea, you know, and he knew, he's meeting me, he's introduced me all these

other millionaires. They have no idea. So I'm just one to live like a regular person and pretty much be like them, you know, whatever. But yeah, so me and my wife opened up businesses and everything's fine and dandy. And one day I get approached by a cop, actually. State trooper is at the house. And I'm not thinking nothing of it. I'm thinking maybe somebody got in trouble.

You know, cops questioning me. He's like, can I get your license? What's your name? Such and such? And I'm like, for what? So at this point, I'm thinking, I think, I like I'm invincible or whatever. So I give him my license. He goes, come over from a cop car.

So I start seeing these unmarked cars come. There's like four of them. They're unmarked. Just a guy comes out, regular top. I, some of them don't say who they are. So I'm like, they're all law, but I don't know what parts of the law. Right. So he goes, do you know this guy opens up a file?

It's my relative. So I look at the picture and I'm like, yeah, I don't know him. He goes, you sure you don't know him? I go, no, I don't know him. He go, we believe you probably assumed his old name. He changed his name or whatever. And I'm like, I don't even know who that guy is. He goes, well, you know, we're going to take you to jail for,

I don't remember what the hell it was for giving a false ID or something like that. I'm like, what do you mean? Da-da-da-da-da. So anyways, they end up handcuffing me. I didn't even know they had this. They can fingerprint you right there on the spot now. They have equipment to do that.

Yeah, they're like a scanner, right? Yeah. So you just put your hand on it or just your thumb? Your thumb. Yeah. So they fingerprint me on a spot. Damn. Nothing comes up.

Are you serious? They did it. They were in front of the house for a good hour. fingerprinting me nine I think it was nine different times nothing came up they're so frustrated they did the good cop bad cop routine with me they had the bad you can go to jail for this and you're going to be marked as a john doan jail and you sit there and ride I'm thinking like that's not going to happen whatever so then they put me in another guy's car first thing he does he turns on xm and turns on rap music first thing he does and he's singing the lyrics to the

song and I'm looking at him like seriously for real you think that's whatever so So he was like, yeah, so where are you from? And he's trying to get, you know, I'm playing along. I'm like, yeah, you know, playing along. You know, I'm like, yeah, we can both play this game. I'll sell cards, buddy. I could sell water to a well. So he's like, and then he starts getting to a serious question.

So who are you? Like, who are you? I'm like, well, who are you? He goes, you're not going to tell us who you are. I'm like, you know who I am. That's all I kept saying, you know who I am. I didn't tell them the fake name or anything. I just kept saying, you know who I am or whatever.

You know who I am. No, we don't. Yeah, you do. Well, I don't tell you if you'll know who I am. We're going to take you just, so eventually it end up taking me to jail. Took me to jail. They booked me. The charge was, when you go to DMV and get a false license as a word.

I can't remember. You can probably Google it. It probably come up. It's here in Florida, actually. So they booked me on that charge and a couple other misdemeanors or whatever. And the bond was, like, really low, like, three grand or something like that or whatever. So, of course, I'm thinking, like, I'm not going to be here. that long. So they're like, yeah, you're going to be screwed, buddy. When we go to fingerprint

you and booking, you know, so they fingerprint me doing a handprint and all that. Nothing comes back. I said, if nothing came out the first time, what's going to come? Yeah, nothing comes back. So I'm sitting there, and the guy that's in the tie, he's talking with like the sergeant of intake over here, and they're pointing at me, and I'm looking at them like, okay, whatever. So I'm on the phone with, you know, my girl, and she's like, yeah, we're going to get you out, She's still thinking it's all bullshit. Yeah, she doesn't really know everything that's going on, whatever, still. So she bonds me out, gets me out.

And when she gets me out or whatever, I still really don't tell her everything. So now I'm thinking of my head, how am I going to tell her everything or whatever? Because at this point, we've been together for about a good four years too. So it's been a while. We have a baby getting everything. So I'm like, how am I going to tell her, explain to her all this stuff that's happened? And she's with a friend of hers that bonding me out too at the same time. So I'm like, how am I going to tell both these people, you know, what's going to?

They're right. Yeah. They're right. And this is what's going on. How am I going to explain it? Is she going to take me, tell me, go back to jail? They're going to, what am I going to do? So I'm sitting here thinking about what I'm going to do.

So I get a call and the calls from that same cop. He goes, hey, just to let you know they weren't supposed to bond you. You weren't supposed to have a bond jail messed up. So I do. Yeah. And I'm out. Are you out already? Yeah, I'm out.

I just got home. So they called me three. hours later or two hours later something like that it was really quick he goes you weren't to have a bond and they gave you a bond they weren't supposed to let you out of jail really they were supposed to keep you in it to we figure out who you were but they messed up and shift change happened or whatever and i got out during shift change or whatever so that's so that's how i got out so he goes so let's let you know we know where you are but we're going to give you a chance to redeem yourself whatever it is so i'm like man what am i going to do so anyway i end up get caving in and end up

was like okay you got me turn myself in i still didn't tell them who i am still didn't well when i turned myself in they figured out who i was and they were like yeah mr pate we know you've been you have an escape charge you've been on the run for a long time man these cops are taking selfies with me they were taking selfies while i was handcuffed they were high-fiving each other da da da they're telling my they're telling my woman because she's sitting they're crying. They're like, yeah, you might also get somebody else. He's going to be in prison for a long time. What a dick move. They're like, he's going to be in there for years. They take me to jail. And the jail here, they're explaining what happened. Everybody's looking

to me like, I'm some star. The intake people are like, wow, you're on the run for that long. The girl's like, how did you do it? You know, da, da, da. She's like, I'm going to tell nobody. I'm like, I'm not telling. So everybody's like, got these, the nurse comes to you. You know how to get you check you. And a nurse is like, I heard you on. So everybody's like, like I'm the star in jail pretty much. So I'm sitting in jail. Was here in jail, maybe like three or four months, end up hiring a private attorney out here.

I had to take care of my charges out here, which were like for the getting the fake driver's license and stuff like that. But when I got arrested, though, they interrogated me for about a good, I think it was three to four days, somewhere downtown in an FBI building, interrogated me forever because I was even working at the airport and JFK Airport. at one point. I was doing stuff that I was not supposed to be doing. So they were trying

to figure out how I did, what I did. I was interrogated by intelligence officers from a couple states, one even here, because he was wondering how I even got the license in the first place. What about the other country? You said you didn't want to mention the name of the country. Yeah. So, well, because I plan on having, you know, I plan on having turning my story into a book, stuff like that. So there's a lot more details. Okay. As well, too, you know, that I, I, I want to kind of keep the people, you know, a little hangar. There's a lot of details of some of the stuff I did. So they're asking me all these questions.

And, yeah, the other countries, they actually came down personally and started asking me. How did I even get there? What did I do? They did not believe me at first. They thought maybe I bought all this information or maybe somebody in the inside helped me out. That's what they're always concerned that there's somebody on the inside working with you. And not that their system failed. Yeah, so they didn't want to admit that I was able to outsmart them.

They wanted to make sure nobody helped me. So they were like, if you telling them, you do that, I'm like, nobody helped me. There's nobody to tell them. I got so frustrated at one point because I don't know how, if you know about interrogations, but I got so frustrated at one point, I just made up a name. I was like, yeah, Henry helped me. And they started writing down Henry. And I'm like, yeah, Henry works on third floor, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, this and that.

And then they go back, come back, there's no hearing on three. They're more mad at me now. And I'm like, well, you guys are pressing me. So I'm just going to give you something. If it's fake a lie or what, I'm telling you, there's nothing. So yeah, they're interrogating me. I even had the Department of DOA or whatever hell it was, even questioned me on the phone. They questioned me. They were trying to look for my wife, the question her, but they couldn't find, they never went to her house. They went to one of the businesses we own. They even called my mentor, the one that helped me out with the mobile homes. They called him as well. well too and he hangs up the phone and calls my wife he's like hey these people doa or whatever is trying to question he's like don't talk to them don't talk to them so they called him a couple times he ended up just keep hanging up um never got a chance to talk to them um like personally or whatever but they were trying to get information to other people right so yeah they're interrogating me um i gave them just enough you know i gave them enough information that you know they wouldn't charge me a lot of stuff because i got charged with a lot you know thank god i didn't so

They basically were like, you know, we'll let you go ahead and take care of your Florida charges. And then after that, you're going to get deported back, or not deported, but what do you call it, sent back to Colorado or whatever. So I take care of my Florida stuff. Extradited. Yeah, extradited. So I take care of my Florida stuff, three and a half months or whatever. Plead guilty to the, because I'm on camera right there and getting a fake license. I can't beat that.

Right. So plead guilty to that. Lawyers, like, you know, good luck. They're also telling me there's a good chance. They might not pick you up. This is from 15 years ago. Yeah, right. They might not even.

Yeah, people don't understand that. Sometimes they'll have a warrant, but if it's not like a, there are different types of warrants. Some warrants, it's like if you go in the state and get found in that state, now we'll grab you. But we're not going to go fly out there, pick you up, drive you back, but we're not going to do all that. Yeah.

So I guess there's an extradition, because when you wait and get extradited, you go to court every week here. And the reason why they send you to court every week to see its judges through video is to make sure you're still there because you're still there because you're they're only allowed to hold you for certain with the time, then they have to let you go. Right. If the other state doesn't come get you. Yeah.

So I waived my extradition rights. And my lawyer's talking with the exorcist and officer here in Florida. And he's like, be honest with you, it might not come getting him because it's been so long. I probably wouldn't waste money on getting him because the guy hasn't been doing nothing. He's been living a life. Yeah. He's been 15 years and he hasn't committed additional crimes. Like he's not a problem.

Yeah. So they had, I think it was 21 days. I don't remember exactly. So I think the 19th day or 18th day, they wake me up early in the morning, 5 o'clock. Hey, yeah, your ride's here. Because at this time, all the cops, they know me and, you know, that, you know, so they're like, yeah, your rights here is let you know it's going to be here in a couple hours and get dressed and, you know, I'm like, oh, they're like, we're sorry, man.

We're hoping for you to be cool, man, or whatever, da-da, because they're like, because they're looking at me like, yeah, some of these people in here deserve being here. but you, you got your head on straight right now. You know, you go back and live your life. So they pick me up, go back out to Colorado. Now, at this time, my wife is calling every attorney she can think about. But your wife, by now, you've had this discussion. You've explained to her, right?

You skipped that. We explained what we could over the phone, because remember, she didn't know still even until I turned myself in. Are there newspaper articles? Like, is she reading articles, or is there anything like that? There's nothing, nothing at all. So she, it's just for me. Yeah, just for me. So she didn't know until she spoke with the police and they told him, yeah, this is his real name.

He's been going by this and da-da-da-da. We don't know what else, but this is what his real name is. Because there are articles. Yeah, so she didn't know anything about that because you got to know my real name to pull that up. Right, right. Yeah, so she didn't even know it until they told her. So when we're in jail, of course, she knows my real name now because, of course, she's putting money in my books and visiting. So she knows now, but she doesn't.

Hey, listen, if she's visiting and putting money on your book. you're good. Yeah. It's when you tell them and you don't hear from them anymore. Yeah. So, you know, I'm worried about that. I'm like, oh, great. She's going to divorce me.

So, yeah, I don't know. She stuck by me. She got my lawyer from me in Florida. She went and called every lawyer. She couldn't in Colorado. She did everything she could to make sure that I would get out because of, you know, how I'm living today was different than what I was doing before. Right.

So she was like, he deserves to keep living his life. So we just talked as much as we could. know their phones are recording on jail. So I couldn't give her too many decills. I never could because I couldn't say nothing. I know they're listening to my phone calls, especially I have to interrogate it. I know they are. They even told me, we're going to listen to your phone calls.

So there's only certain things I can say. So by this time, you know, I get transported back out to another state. She's calling every lawyer she could. We even called a public defender just to see what they would say. Oh, my God. They pick up the phone. He goes, well, I could probably give him a plea deal. for 20 to 25 years.

So we're like, yeah, all the private attorneys are saying, yeah, we'll probably get them two to four years prison time. We can probably get them that. So I'm preparing mentally to do two to four years prison, maybe even six. Now, I get to Colorado laws have changed to come to find out. Now you only have to do 33% of your time. And I'm like, oh, great, if I get four years, you know, and not only that, the lawyers are saying we'll get you your time served because you already have time served.

already had prison time. We'll get you that time served on top of that. So you might not even see a D.O.C. You already have your number. You might just turn around and get right back out on parole or whatever. Right. Well, probably can't leave the state. You'll probably have to move the Colorado or whatever. But you got to pay the private attorney fee. Yeah. What's that? How much is that? Oh, man. Well, we paid ours. I think it was like 12 grand or something like that. Okay. It wasn't that bad. Yeah. State's not bad. Yeah. Federal. He'd be like, oh, yeah. Give us $25,000 and I'll start working against it. ours is 12 and then most of them were taking you know payments pay half up front and arrest which is which is one wasn't bad so we ended up getting my attorney shout out to my attorney he was great he wasn't even from the area we were from or where I was at he was actually like three hours away he was a big time attorney um by the neighbor Rubenstein did great um he basically told my wife he goes listen I'm going to get him probation and she's like well she's like she's like he's like Like, it's funny you're calming with this. He's like, I just had a case with a guy who was on the run for eight years, pretty much did similar same thing.

He left the halfway house, got an escape charge, moved to Florida, owns a company now, turned himself in. I got him probation. I'm going to do the same for your husband because he's been on the run even longer than him and been doing even better. Went to college and graduate and everything else. Yeah, but the other guy turned himself in. That's a big deal. That's a huge game changer. but you have double the time.

Yeah. Never got a speeding ticket. Never done any of that stuff. Never, you know, only time I came face face with the law was that DJ event. I told you about that was it.

Right. So he told her I'm going to probation. And she's like, all right, we're going to go with you then, you know? So he comes to visit me in jail and he gives me the speech

and he has this vibe about him like that I just like, you automatically want to listen to what he's saying or whatever. And I'm like, man, I should have had you from my very first charge for the plea,

guilty still false mixture of pawn shop or whatever so he's telling me yeah you remind me of this movie there was a movie a long time i would go about this kid that stole something and he got away from the detective it was like some old movie back in the 60s and he's like and the kid got away from the detective and the kid got older and the detective was still on his trail because a detective was so mad that he could not get this kid he goes this is what you remind me of now now just because you stole something as a kid is i mean you should pay for it as an adult now and I'm like, the hurricane? I don't remember.

And I'm thinking, I'm looking at him like, I'm believing him. Like, yeah, you're right. I shouldn't have to pay. You're right. So, yeah, we end up going to court. He ends up getting that, the biggest thing was that escape. Ends up getting that escape charge dropped down to a misdemeanor. It's not an escape.

Yeah, it's absconding. You know, escape is from a secured facility where you have to go, you have to break through a fence. You have to jump a fence. You have to crawl through barbed wire. That's a real escape. You walked off. Yes. So he gets a drop down to a misdemeanor, time served.

Not only that, but they also found out that the counselor who told me that I could go. Right. But then changed your mind, got fired for stealing money from the halfway house. He investigated into that and found that out too. So there was a lot of corruption that was going on in this halfway house or whatever. And I'm not saying it's their fault, but, you know, there's a lot of corruption that was going on. and that worked in my favor too so all because of all that um and then a DA was like yeah we'll drop it he didn't go just to go off he went to go try and you know see his son so they they dropped it down

then once they dropped it down their agreement was for a open sentence to the judge up to four years so it could be probation it could have been a halfway house it can even be prison time but the escape charge was dropped that was the biggest thing so I'm thinking to myself on Again, I'm already prepared to do four years. I'm like, I can do four years or whatever. You know, I'm not going to do it anyway. I'm going to do it. Yeah, you're going to do a...

If that, get right back out. A year and change. Yeah, and I'm already been in jail seven months. Oh, right. So I'm like 33% of... You're probably going straight to a halfway house, practically. Yeah. So, you know, I get interviewed for halfway house, interview probation, why I'm in there,

you know, things like that. The weirdest thing, why I'm in jail, they have a psychiatric nurse. You know, they see you all the time out there. He comes to seize me. goes, I remember you. He goes, you're the one I told you, or you're the one that was in here when your son died a long time ago. Wow, that long.

That long, he's been there. And he remembered because I was the only one, I guess, that that had happened to? That had happened to. And he had to say something like that. He's like, Luzi, it's a parent, but not a kid or whatever. So he's like, and my son was only three years old. He's like, I remember because he said, he remember seeing it was on the news and everything when the car accident.

He goes, I remember you. And I'm like, wow. I'm like, oh, man, he's like, he's like, well, I hope the best for you, man, da, da, da. So all the police in Colorado, they're treating me like a movie star. Like, I can't believe you've been gone from us for so long. You know, they're treating me really good. So I really had no complaints being over there. They treat me really good, actually.

But I end up going to court for the open charge or open case, you know, to see what the judge says. The judge I had was very really, he was really understanding. So he comes out and he goes, just to let you know, I got about. 40 reference letters on your name on your behalf that was in the back reading i read up on your case he goes your case is so old that at that time we didn't your case was still on paper we lost some of the stuff because it didn't get transferred in the computer it's so old he goes you're just like a movie of what you did and he goes you've turned your you've heard you turn your life around and he goes i want to hear you know your side of the story but let me hear from the d a stuff like everything first

so you know the d a's pushing for me to do four years just agree if i get pro probation. I'm not going to see me for the 15 years. You know, my lawyer turns to a bulldog, and he's like, you know, he just basically eats the DA up. And I'm like, yeah, get him. And then a judge like, I want to hear from you. I want to hear your story from the beginning to end. I want to hear how you grew up. And I'm like, okay. So I basically told him everything from beginning and how I grew up. And he goes, sounds like to me, you grew up as a good kid, and you just got to a point in life where you didn't know what to do and you rebelled. And then after you rebelled, you know, They say you don't grow up to you're about 28, 29 for a man.

And he goes, it sounds like when you turned 29, 30 years old is when you grew up and you decide you need to take responsibility and do things, you know. Yeah, by then it's too late. You've created a complete fucking chaos for yourself. Yeah. And he goes, and he goes, do you love your life now? I go, I love my life. And he goes, do you regret anything?

I go, I regret everything I did, you know, but I go, but then again, I can't regret too much because I wouldn't be where I am now. I was like, I think I learned from all that. me who I am right now you know and then he goes I like that answer and he goes tell you what he goes I don't think a halfway house is going to work for you and I'm like oh yeah I'm about to go to prison probably two years or whatever and he goes I don't want to send you to prison either he goes I want to save the department of corrections for for people that need to be corrected he goes you already corrected yourself he goes I'm just going to give you two years

probation you promise me you do this serve your probation time do not get in trouble gave me community service hours, pay your restitution, you know, and I'm going to demand your probation be transferred back to your state where you came from, you know, you know, ASAP. And he goes, but I'm not going to let you go today. He goes, I'm going to make you serve 60 more days in county jail just because I want you to sit and think how it could have ended up and your life could have ended up. I want you to get time to think about that. And I was happy I'll take those 60 days. I went back, I started working in the kitchen.

You work in the kitchen and knocks time off. Now, this is also right in the middle of the pandemic, right in the middle of COVID. So they're releasing people. Yeah. So because of COVID, I got released early as well, too. So I only did, I think, another like 28 days and then got released early. Plus working in the kitchen, you get to move around a lot. Yeah.

The day fly. People don't realize how quickly working makes the day fly. I was working there like 12 hours a day or something like that, 13 hours. It's like the fucking clock is, it's like, it's like, you think you're sitting in there for 12 hours, 20, it's, it's double time. Oh, yeah. It's the worst. Yeah. So, yeah, I was eight good in the kitchen, you know, and basically came back to Florida and had to start some things over with again.

But, you know, I looked at it as a, hey, I rather. What year was that? Sorry. Oh, this is not long ago. 2000, because actually my stuff is going to be up in April. So like I said, this was, when the pandemic hit, was that 19, 2019? I think it was, right when COVID hit? Was it 2020?

Yeah. Yeah, so that's right when, yeah, because my court day was April. Okay, cool. Yeah, so it was right when I was in there right when COVID hit, actually. So it like hit at a perfect time for me because I got released early and they didn't really want to imprison people that they didn't think was going to be violent and sit back on the streets and things like that. So it all kind of played into my factor, you know, I was like, thank God for COVID, you know. got sit home and early and started over and now trying to get everything straight and

turn this into a story yeah you see so and you're right now you're doing the tic-tok you just started tic-tok yeah so i started a youtube channel um actually i i i have it up but i didn't put anything on it so i had a video for my youtube channel which is a fugitive tv i was gonna put future tv so i was going to put the video up but i remember talking you and you said make sure your video's over 10 minutes long yeah oh my mind was i like six minutes or something Yeah. Or whatever. So I'm actually adding more content onto it so I can actually get that first episode uploaded next week.

It's going to be, you know, episodes about what I've done in my life, pretty much what I discussed today. Yeah. Maybe get into a little more detail. My TikTok is fugitive TV as well. And what I'm doing on my TikTok is I'm just giving little snippets of basically everything I've been through or what I've done. I'm even going to let people, because TikTok, you can get more, I would say you can get more interactive. active with people. So I'm even let some people, you know, even like leave reply, ask a question. And then I'll come back, you know, with an answer to your question. How did you do this or something

like that? Whatever. If it's something I can answer, I'm going to let you know, whatever, you know, things like that. So, but yeah, I started that maybe about two weeks ago, actually, you know. And it's actually, there's not a lot of followers on there. It's about 170, but those 170 came within two weeks, you know. So I'm averaging about 15 followers a day right now. So it's picking up pretty good. Well, yeah, definitely. Like we'll put the, we can put the links for TikTok, right? You can put it for the TikTok and for the YouTube channel in the description. So, you know, on the YouTube. And you can answer questions in comment section. Like I answer questions all the time. Oh, yeah, that's right. Oh, on my Instagram channel, I changed that to

fugitive TV too. So I'm having it all unit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I changed it all the fugitive TV. Easy to remember. Fugitive TV. Okay. Are you, what are you going to do on the, on the YouTube? Are you going to interview people? Are you just going to keep doing your story at some point, your story is going to end. It's going to end. So yeah, eventually after I'm done. of my story, I do want to interview people. I do want to start interviewing people. I do want to start talking about even, you know. How do you find people that were like fugitives, though?

Oh, that's the hard part. Like you could interview me, you know? I did it three years. Maybe find a secret location to put a mask on them or something like that. No, no, no, not. They don't have to have been on the run. Like, they don't currently have to be on the run. Oh, yeah, that's true.

That's true. You could scour the newspapers and try and find them. Think about it. What's the channel, Vice TV? Yeah. They have gangsters. You're doing drug deals with them and everything. Like, how are they doing that?

I don't want to be in the middle of a drug deal, but I'm like, it's, you know, it's, first of all, the YouTube thing, first of all, you got to get monetized. Like, that takes, you know, that's 4,000 wash hours and a thousand subscribers. Okay. But, you know, and even then when you get, then you have to get, people, people think like you're making, oh, you know, that video's got, depends on what your, what your RPM is. Or they call it a CPM also. Like YouTube calls it an RPM

But depends on what they're charging you for your RPM Because like I'll have a video that has like a thousand It'll have like 100,000 views Like I have like one video that got over 100,000 views Like but that video total made about a thousand bucks Well about 1200 bucks So most of the videos that make like 5,000 Have to get 5 or 10,000 views

Yeah Only make maybe 50 or 100 bucks Like they don't make a lot of money So you know So you've got a it takes a long time So you got to figure out what your niche is and do it in a way that it doesn't become

a full-time job that doesn't pay you. Yeah. So, you know, you kind of got to, you, it's a, it's a bitch, bro. Oh, man. It takes forever. One thing I forgot to tell you, actually, so in that very first charge I had

false information to a pawn shop, the private attorney, the one I just had, he looked into that because he wanted to go all right from the beginning come to find out, I didn't even have to plead guilty of that. He goes, it was never false information

to a pawn shop. You put that you literally own a TV for a couple weeks and that a friend gave it to you. Right. And they never showed you that. You didn't have to plead guilty. You never stole the TV or any of that.

You could have took that to court and a judge probably were thrown it out. And you would have never had a failing to begin with. You could have, if you had a decent attorney, he would have got all that thrown out. If you had a decent attorney, I never lied about anything.

I told you everything I knew about the TV. I didn't know it was stolen. Like, you can't charge me for a TV that he gave me that I didn't know. Now if you could prove I knew it, now I messed up because now I'm trying to pawn stolen and stolen a property. You got it.

But you weren't guilty of any of the there's charges. Nothing. And I've played guilty too. And that spiraled. That spiraled everything, started the whole thing, that one thing. So, man, if you're still out there, that started everything, man. Well, so what else you do? So anything else? What else are you doing now? Well, right now, actually, um, like I said, I still have, um, uh, the couple businesses I'm doing now with the, um, the, the mobile homes. I'm getting back into that actually. Right. Because we sold the mobile homes. to pay for my attorney. Yeah.

So we're getting back into that. I'm also starting a group up to where we're actually going to develop a metaverse game as well. So I've been heavy into researching Metaverse and even was buying some property in the Metaverse because you can make a lot of money off crypto and things like that. Right. So I have a crew and we're getting together. We just got to get a couple more coders.

And we want to start our own Metaverse page, our own Metaverse game. You know, instead of participating and give somebody else some money, Why don't we start our own? Right. And, you know, so I got a few things, actually, you know, that, you know, I'm trying to do. Because, you know, when I leave this earth, I want to leave an empire. It's pretty much what I want to do, you know. Right.

I want to have my kids straight. And I don't want them to go through anything I went through and no MCI jobs and it gets bankrupt. I want them to have their own stuff, you know. And I don't have to have to have to palm any TVs or anything like that. Where's the guy? Remember I told you about the guy that I've had a couple of guys contact me and that did I send you the information of the guy? did you with the mobile home yeah with the mobile home the guy actually contacted me he bought a couple of mobile homes and turned them into rooming houses yes you did tell me that yeah in in jacksonville

yeah you did his look pretty good right it did i took a look at that and i was actually a pretty pretty good concept because i was telling you that um well i did a whole video on on on not on mobile homes but on renting out rooms i got a whole video on it like i talk about changing the like the locks the whole thing they call it house hacking don't they isn't that house hacking no i mean they call lots of things hacking like it's just that's just that's just they'll say you know like real estate hacking it was just whatever it's just like a you know it's like a secret it's a secret recipe yeah but i'm telling right now like i i think that's a great idea that's a great idea yeah have motto have um round the rooms two people per room but i was telling you

before actually too we were even thinking about um doing it for um uh housing the homeless because if you have rooms for the homeless you get paid from the state estate paid you you know well too and you get a guaranteed check every month plus the um veterans yes yeah the veterans thing too i appreciate you watching so if you like the video do me a favor hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you get notifications of videos like this uh also um leave a comment on in the comment section and share the video