Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - BIG MEECH IS COOKED! Insider Exposes Court Docs, 50 CentText, & Cuffys Call From Prison

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

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Big Meach set this whole thing up. As he explains in the interview I did with him on my page, I've read over a thousand pages of the actual court documents from him. And this was posted on 50's Instagram. Listen, if Meets did, I think he did the right thing. I gotta go home. I'm different from Matt. He didn't do the right thing.

I want to preface this interview that we're gonna do because there's some very, very serious people involved in this, and this is a very, very high-profile case that everybody's talking about. Everything that I'm going to say in regards to this is going to be from the actual court documents that I read that you can download on pacer.org. I'm going to do my best to leave my personal feelings out of it, right? And I just want to speak to you.

From the facts. Now, I've read over a thousand pages of what we're going to talk about today, which is the BMF Black Mafia family, right, which when you hear that name, you think about Big Meach, right, and his brother, Southwest Tea, Demetrius Flannery, Terry Flannery, right? Now, unbeknownst to me, there's another dude, right, whose paperwork I've been reading, his name is Dion Lamont Gatlin. He goes by the name of Cuffy. He's out of St. Louis.

And I don't know who gave them that name, but they are supposedly BMF St. Louis. you understand and all of the paperwork that I've read that was titled United States of America versus Dion Gatlin right is what I'm going to talk to you about today now a lot of people

have talked about this are still talking about this case and a lot of motherfuckers Matt are just going off of how they feel their personal feeling about Big Meach, their personal feeling about Cuffy, their personal feeling about BMF. I'm going to stay away from that. And I'm able to do that, right? Because like I said, I've read over a thousand pages of the actual court documents from Big Meach's sentencing hearing

his application is motion for a compassionate release to the Franks hearing which was requested by Cuffy testimony by Jack Harvey Tammy Cowens who is the central

figure which is who's the woman who was the CI right right she was the DEA informant the CS is what she's she's listed in the paperwork as CS1 Confidential source one. Tammy Cowens.

And that's where I'm going to be coming from. Now, I know you mentioned your man that you, I think you had on here, or maybe Matt had him on his joint. Wade. Wade. Wade might have had him on his joint and what he said. But everything that I'm going to say, you understand, is going to be from the information that I gathered,

from what I read. Okay. So what, so BMF, the two brothers start, they start selling drugs. They get big fairly quickly. They have multiple people running or working for them. It starts growing, right? Like, can we start from there? Well, that part is not in the paperwork. So for this particular part, I'm going to go on what hearsay is that. What's the kind of understood story? Well, Big Meach and his brother, they wasn't getting no money in Detroit. The niggas in Detroit, it was other niggas in Detroit that wasn't letting them get busy like how they wanted to get busy. So they left Detroit. Not saying they wasn't getting money in Detroit, but it was some bigger players and some more robust dudes that, from what I understand, wouldn't let them get down the way they wanted to get down.

And then they meet up with Cuffy in St. Louis and it changes Big Meach and his brother's life. From what everybody is saying, even the cops in St. Louis. I was watching a YouTube channel on the way down here, the lighter side of blue, which is some. St. Louis cops, they're even going to start talking about this case. And they had a dude on there the other day. I think his name is Joe Cronin. And then another D.A. agent. Both them niggas worked on the case. You understand? So, and even they attested to it that really

St. Louis, and even Cuffy says it, Big Meach wasn't getting no real money until he connected with St. Louis, that St. Louis really put them on. That's what they say. And then, but that's I mean, I thought it was out of Atlanta. I thought their case was out of Atlanta, wasn't it? Wasn't it? Big Meech's case,

I think he got prosecuted in the Eastern District of Michigan. Okay. Detroit. Some dudes got prosecuted in L.A. Some got prosecuted in St. Louis well he was based out of Atlanta okay at the end as the way Cuffy told me they both bought houses in Atlanta at the same time convicted in Detroit oh convicted right okay what I was

gonna say oh I've always thought in my mind it was all centrally located uh out of Atlanta but obviously I don't know what I'm talking about so so okay so so eventually they they end up getting well they get busted right like there's an investigation we had uh rad on rand rad rad would be better actually than ran shout out to ran man i watched that whole episode man ran shout out to you man i want i want to get you on my on my podcast too man dope story yeah he's he's he's definitely interesting guy and and he went through kind of the whole investigation how initially they didn't and he's out of atlanta so how initially they didn't want it they didn't want to touch it right um but he explains kind of the breakdown so i have a quick question um from someone or if anybody doesn't really know so

are these guys started off as were they rappers music guys or they just strictly crying like they're selling initially they're selling drugs no these are hustlers yeah they're selling drugs but then they get people under them then they're you know you start moving up the chain right so you might be you blood these guys will start off on the corner yeah yeah and then before no they're supplying the guys on the corner and then they're a step above that and then you know they get a contact, which there's a whole thing on how they end up getting a contact where it's, they're getting drugs from, what, from the cartel, right? Right.

They're now, they're now buying directly from a distributor. So now they're in a much bigger, I think it was like 150 keys every 10 days or something like that. And so at the time, they were like a kind of like a big deal at the time. There were, yeah. People knew who were they were. Oh, yeah. Right.

So they got tons of, I mean, one guy's not moving 150 keys. Well, they were doing like 2,500 keys a month. right okay toward the end so they were moving a ton of product right it was a big deal they're moving a ton of guys underneath them the problem is is you can't nobody lasts long doing that nobody so eventually that whole thing that falls apart they start getting wires and they and they were even watching the the series the wire while they're being wired uh and so the wires catch them talking about different deals guys start getting busted people start rolling over they start seeing

seizing vehicles, finding more drugs, finding cash, then they raid their houses, and eventually these guys get busted and they're grabbed. I love the idea that Big Meach, that the cops are coming in the front door and he takes off running out the back. I saw Ran say that. I thought that was hilarious. Because I, to me, if they're banging on the front door or coming in the front door, they already got 20 guys sitting in your backyard waiting for you to run out. You would think. The idea that he's, that didn't happen. So that's funny. But so the whole thing thing this is the other thing when I was locked up with uh um Southwest did you talk to him yeah I talked to him a couple of times only because I had a I have a buddy named

in Coleman okay so I had a buddy name named Kay who there was a uh I put this make this a short short version short version is in Coleman every morning during the week you know they kick you out of the unit so uh when it's I don't know what time it is it is o'clock seven eight o'clock in the morning they open the doors it's a control movement you know the facility or the compound so they're like they would open the doors and you get you got a choice you can go to the rec yard you can go to uh vote votech you can go to medical like there's certain places you can go you can't stay in the unit you're going to get a shot so i would go to the library because i write the problem is unlike the medium you didn't have to rush to get a seat in the medium because the

medium was always empty. Nobody's in the, you know what I'm saying? There's 40 seats. There's three guys there. You in the low, you rushed it there. You know, it's filled with fenders. So these guys don't want to be hot. They don't want to be hot and sway. They don't want to go outside. So they rush to the library. So I would rush to the library. And there was one table in the library. Honestly, not bigger than this. About the same size as this, maybe, maybe even a little bit shorter. And there were one, two, three, four, five, six, So there's just enough table for six people. Whoever got there first would hold the table down. You know, you grab a bunch of books and throw books on.

Right, right, right. And, you know, and so it's me. So I'm getting there so I can write my true crime stories. And the other guys that were there were all black guys. Almost all of them were there for robbery. I think one guy was there for, come on, um the tax uh running the the the the drop the tax scam right or in prison the the tax scam is called the drop uh c j his name is cj so you know i would rush there cj whoever got there first

would hold the table down and that was a whole thing in and of itself because people were like yo oh oh you can't hold the table down you got me like yeah bro if you want to if you can sit here but i'm telling you you don't want to be here when these guys get here and every once in a while somebody would sit down and you go all right bro and you know these guys just walk in and and you're you know you're a chow like most of these guys are shows like you can you can be a whiny show you're still a show and you're going to have a six foot two black guy who's known for home invasions about to walk in and tell you you're sitting in my fucking seat you're gonna get up yeah i'm getting up he's gonna make you get up right and he'll just walk up and just

stand right next to you go and stare at you and these guys they just get up and run out of that because now they got nowhere to stay they got to get out of the library and try and make it the rec yard before the compound closed because if you're still standing there without a seat when the compound closes you're going to get a shot oh listen you know it listen it was a brutal uh anyway so i would go there and sit down and so these other guys they'd sit there they're writing urban novels and i'm kind of like uh like google the white guy at the table's google right like you know they're every once would they ask you some question that i'm thinking are you serious and i you know but you know but you can't say that i got to be right right right right i don't want to get you know

that's all i need to do is get slapped in a library right um so i'd say oh yeah no totally no it makes complete sense uh of course yeah so the supreme court is you know um so they would ask questions and every once a while and you know i answer their questions and and they would all this is this i always love this they would always fuck with me they're right you've read the urban novels yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah honestly they're the worst uh and i mean colby you've never read anything like this it's brutal so i was I'm going at it with my black python and banging this shit

and knocked the wig off that and pump some babies up in her guts I mean it's just horrible, bro. It was horrible. It's like, what are you writing? And so they're writing these things and I'm writing true crime and I used to always tell them like,

you should try and write true crime. You know, you should try and run and they're like, what are you talking about? Like we're writing crime novels like no, no, like you guys have good stories. I even wrote a story about two of the guys. I'm like, you should write stories. And so

I remember one time I was writing a story and they go this is when I first sat down with them. So I walked and sat down. They couldn't believe it when I sat down. I said, hey, you guys are writers, right? Can you mind if I sit here and they were like, yeah, you can sit here. Yeah, white boy. Yeah, all right.

Like this crowd, you're like, you got you got some nerve, motherfucker. I'm just like, I'm writing and they're kind of glancing out. me I know they're talking shit and like looking at me and so anyway what happened what happened there was I was writing the true crime stories and they're like oh what are you working on you're working on illegal works oh no no I'm writing I'm writing a true crime and I explain it to them they go what do I said well I met this kid and I'm writing a story and I'm trying I'm gonna

you know maybe try and get a book deal or something they're like book deal you're in prison you ain't get a book deal I was like well I'm gonna try and get what I'm gonna try and do is get them into rolling like trying to get them into a magazine or something and they're like hey what and I was like yeah yeah you know I'm gonna write like a a synopsis, a what? Like a long article. And they're like, yeah. Like, they're kind of like, good luck.

So I write the whole thing, you know, and I've ordered the paperwork. I've ordered the Freedom of Information Act on this kid, everything. So I write the whole story. I then print up like eight copies, really I print up like 20 copies, mailed it out to like 10 or 20 different writers for magazines, GQ, Wired, Rolling Stone. Really? I get a guy back from Rolling Stone. he says he says he's interested a couple of two or three other guys said they were interested but

they all were like look I can't get to this for another six months I'm finishing a book whatever this guy said I just finished a project I can get to this in a month or two send me the information I send him the information we work on the article it gets in Rolling Stone magazine so I don't say anything but from start to finish six months later by this time I'm writing other stuff now and they know I've written stuff. Oh, yeah, I got a letter back. This guy says he's interested. This guy says, yeah, they're all kind of spinning me, whatever.

We'll see. And so six months later, I walk in one day. Boom. I'm like, hey, you know, I got that kid in a Rolling Stone. I flip it open. My name's in Rolling Stone magazine, the article, the whole thing. They're like, they're like, what the fuck? I'm like, yeah, listen, I just got a, I just got a letter from a, from a literary agent.

He's going to represent me. I said, he's going to try and get me a book deal. like six months later I've got a book deal and maybe a few months maybe probably six months after that the book comes out and I get a check for 3500 bucks oh and they option a couple months after the article comes out they option the life rights

and I get a check for like seven grand these guys are going option your life rights no the kid in Rolling Stone they're just like this motherfucker she's real right then suddenly when I was saying hey you guys have a good story I should write your story

they were like, yeah, we're all right. Now it was, yeah, yeah, let's talk about I write my story. Let's it. I was telling them you should write your story. I'm like, yeah, I'll write it. Anyway, so those guys, one of those guys was named Kay. Kay was writing a series of urban novels. I actually had dinner with Kay the other night.

And so Kay was writing urban novels, and Kay was friends. I'm going to say friends. with Southwest and he was trying they were in the same unit i think and he was trying to get southwest to write let k write his um his memoir or a true crime story on him southwest wanted to write a book about kind of almost like a not a not a how to book or i always used to joke it was a self-help book but basically it was like a financial empowerment. Here's how you run a business by a guy whose only business has been being a drug dealer. You know, and the whole book was about how he was the brains behind BMF. That was the

premise of the book. He wanted K to write that book. And I was saying, scrap that. Your story is your story. Like at that time, 50 cent was had optioned or was discussing, optioning his brother's story. So it was like, your brother doesn't even have a story written down. He's talking about optioning his life rights. You should write your story and you could have a competing project or at least you could go to 50 cent and have your version written down. So I had that conversation with him two or three times, absolutely not interested and dismissive.

Like, no, I ain't doing it. No, no, like didn't even want to hear it. By the way, Kay ended up, did end up writing that book. I don't know whatever happened. It may be out. I should ask him about that. He ended up writing the self-help book. I don't know what happened to it.

So in those three discussions, that's when I met him and talked to him. So I had no idea prior to meeting him other than Kay. Kay is the one that explained to me who he was. He was like, no. And what he said, he was like, bro, they were huge. They were this. He's like, 50 Cent's going to do this, he's going to do that. I think he kept saying their movie or a series.

I felt like he said movie. He's going to do a movie on him. He's this. And at that point, 50 Cent had just come out with a production company. Like that was right at the beginning. So I didn't know who 50, I knew. 50 cent was, but I didn't know he had a production company. And if you had told me 50 cent was coming out with a production company, you know, I would have laughed. I was been like, right, okay, big

deal. Well, come on. That's as silly of a notion is 50 cents going to come out with a vitamin water and sell it for 100 million. It's not going to happen. So anyway, you know, it's just one of those many, many stupid things I thought. And it was completely wrong. So he comes out with a production company gets the rights to them and but that's how i knew because k kept saying you don't understand bro this is huge this is a big but i'd never heard about it so i'm like dismissive like okay i mean he's like no this is there this is like the black version of scarface he's like this is huge he's like and and i remember this specifically because k said that they got 30 years and he said they got 30 years because he said they went once they got grabbed they went to the prosecutor and even

though other people were rolling over that they that the core group of these guys whether k knew whether this happened or not this is what he told me at the time you ever read a headline and think wait that's not what i read earlier or hear a story that was covered two totally different ways and think i wonder which one's telling the truth we all know the news can be biased algorithms push stories that they think you want to see. And some outlets spin stories to fit a certain agenda. It's exhausting trying to figure out what's real, what's exaggerated, and what's just straight up misinformation. That's why I use ground news. It's a news platform that doesn't just show you the headlines, it shows you the whole story. It gathers articles from across the political

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And that was it. And that was obviously something that K and the guys at the table really, like, respected. You know, so that was always my thing that I thought, oh, wow, nobody rolled on each other. They all took 30 years. Well, if you read... True or not.

What's true? I said, whether it's true or not, that's what I, in my impression at the time. Yeah. At the sentencing hearing, Big Meach and his brother get into damn near

a fist fight in the court in a room off from the courtroom because Southwest T doesn't want to take a plea he wants to go to trial but Meach

comes in out the gate taking a plea taking a 30 year plea which was the low end of the guideline range for him. I think if my memory serves me correctly, I think he was Category 2, level 42, which...

That should be life. Which was 360 to life. Yeah. Right. Right. Now... The low end is 30. Right.

So by him coping a plea, right? He got the low end of the guideline range and being the kingpin of a CCE right once he takes his plea nobody else

within BMF anywhere on the planet can go to trial because you have the kingpin because you have to have at least I think five people underneath you to be labeled as the kingpin of a CCE

so once the main man once the main nigger takes the plea for 360 nobody else can go to trial because when if somebody decides to take it to trial they can reference that yo the main dude the leader admitted that he was ahead of this conspiracy

you understand and if need be they can use him to and you were one of the people so technically they could go to trial it's just it's not going to look good because this guy, he already took a plea. He said that he was ahead of the organization and you were one of the guys underneath them. So it doesn't look.

There's already evidence. Exactly. Exactly. So if you're trying to say, oh, this didn't exist, nah, that ain't, listen, we already got it. And the father, and I don't mean no disrespect. I want to keep the respect to Big Meach. I want to keep the respect to Southwest Tea.

I don't know these guys. But I don't want to come on this show. and be disrespectful to anybody. You know, these dudes did fair time and I did fair time. So we both know how important respect is. But Southwest Tea was livid with his brother. Southwest Tea wanted to go to trial.

And them niggas got into it in the courtroom and the father had to jump in and break it up and convince Southwest Tea to take the 30-1. too. So I also know that and this is all in the set this is all in the paperwork. I also know that there had been a motion put in because they wanted to the government was trying to try them together and they wanted to separate like they had put in a motion to try and separate the trial and the government was saying there's no we're trying we want to try them together. So obviously one there was obviously a difference in the approach to the trial right to their defense. So it sounds

than me, and I don't really know, but I heard that a motion it had been put in trying, asking for, can we separate the trial so that then maybe, you know, Meach could plead guilty and Southwest could try and go to trial, but obviously I could see how Southwest would be irritated or upset with him taking a plea because it's like, if you take a plea, I got to take it to. It doesn't look good for me. It's going to, it's already a strike against me. I guess. Well, they had them together. If they could bring it up, you know, I'm assuming they could bring or at the very least they could they could go to whether meech would or wouldn't i don't know but they would at least try and pressure him to testify at the trial right if you go to trial if these

other guys have pled guilty once they get to once they're incarcerated you know a year later if this trial's happening the government comes you and says look you got 30 years you could cut that in half right now just testify the trial you know maybe get 20 years off you could be out of here in a few years. That'd be pretty hard, too, to do. So, okay, so they, so they, it's kind of forced upon him. The 30 years is forced upon Southwest Tea. Okay. So they go to, but they end up going to, um, they go to prison. They go to prison. And, um, you know, he's doing his time he's doing his time and um were they ever in prison together were they ever in the same prison who southwest tea in meech yeah i'm not sure i don't think they're i doubt it

i don't think they were i don't know where southwest tea went but i know mitch i think his first stop was jessip josep georgia because he's he specifically asked to be close to atlanta and uh the the government granted that to him and i think they sent them to jessip But, you know, what's interesting is a lot of people bring up, and this part is pure speculation, if you look at the number of keys that they were moving, the volume of drugs, you're talking about 2,500 keys a month,

you know, and with Big Meach's criminal history, you know, it should have been, a lot of dudes say it should have been life, right? But, you know, me having done fair time and you haven't done fair time, you know, you a lot of people want to say well it's boilerplate you know whatever this is this is what it should be but we all know that the feds make up the rules as they go and you know anything can can happen but a lot of people seem to think that he should have got life

without the possibility of parole based on his criminal history and the volume of drugs that he was well there's no parole in the federal system so that's irrelevant but But you know what I think is if they thought they could go to trial and give you life, they would probably give you 30 years just so they don't have to go to trial. You know, unless it was just egregious and they had it, they had such a strong case and it was something like, you know, murder or something, you know, it'd have to be over the top for the feds to choose to go to trial instead of giving you 30. If 30 was within the realm of possibility.

Well, the feds wouldn't choose to go to trial. it'd be the defendant that would choose to go to trial, no? I mean, he could take a plea to the low end, but if you're saying a lot of people said it should have been life, that's basically them saying that you're pleading guilt, that the feds would have come in and said, let's say he fell within life. You're getting life no matter what.

He fell within life. His guideline range was 360 to life. Right, but 360's low end. That's not life. I'm saying, you're saying he chose 360. You're saying a lot of people said it should have been life. Yeah, but they would have had to go to trial. No, I'm not saying Meach shows 360.

The government. They offered 360. Well, they gave him 360. Right. What I'm saying is that you're saying people are saying it should have been life. Well, maybe it should have been life, but 360 was a possibility if you plead guilty. If people are saying they shouldn't have given him the chance to plead guilty, they should have given him life, then they would have had to go to trial. Because he's not going to plead guilty to life.

You see what I'm saying? He's pleading guilty. Yes, it's life. It's in the possibility. But they're going to recommend the low end. You're going to 99% of the time they're going to go with the low end if the government recommends it. So I'm saying, who's going to plead guilty to life unless the alternative is the death penalty, which they weren't up for the death penalty because there's no murders in their case. No.

There is a federal death penalty, but they don't apply. There would have to be multiple murders that they were responsible for. Yeah. So, okay. So he ends up getting 30 years. he pleads guilty of 30 years in 2005 it's 30 30 ball and for the most part the government has to if they agree to recommend the low end they have to try and go with the low end because otherwise if they say they had gotten there and said no it should be a life you're on or we lied well then nobody's people stop pleading why would I plead that they they just backed out on their agreement so they get he's 30 years goes to jassup I don't know where southwest went I know eventually he ended up in Coleman even then I don't think he did all his time. I think he went somewhere else after that. Well, he got released, Southwest Tea got early released on a compassionate release.

Right. But I'm just saying, I know he must have gone somewhere and he eventually showed up at Coleman. At Coleman. At the low. And I don't think he even stayed. I think he was gone already when I left. Okay. I could be wrong. But I don't think I don't think he was there. I think he might have gone to a medical facility. Or maybe that was Meach. I don't know. Somebody I thought went to a medical. That was probably Southwest Tea, which was why he got, um, Compassionate release. The BOP is two versions of the paperwork that I read. One says that he applied for compassionate release and got it.

And another one says that based on his BOP health services records, that they recommended compassionate release for him because he was obese. And he had a lot of health issues as far as high blood pressure and different things like that. And, you know, they know all of that based on your medication, especially if you're going to health services every day. So he ended up getting a compassionate release. And then Meach tried to get a compassionate release when his brother got it.

And he tried to use the same argument, right? You tried us together, right? Like what you allude to, like they tried to separate it and they wouldn't separate the case. So if my brother got compassionate release, then I should get compassionate release. But Meach got denied compassionate release. because they found that his health wasn't bad enough no no one day right now uh

terry wasn't the uh picture of health uh if he was definitely overweight you know and there there's a ton of stuff that comes with me and overweight anyway so yeah uh okay so so what happened so meech is in the halfway house right now so what's what's the what's the what's the out or what what's what's happening right now with people saying that um he was working with somebody a woman on the outside well 50 cent kicked it off okay 50 cent kicked it off i guess when um meech took a picture with the rapper rick ross well first let's let's let's talk about first real quick meech ends up somehow getting contact with 50 cent to sell his life rights to him right not true okay so what how did how did

tammie cowens okay so well through her is was it through right right right okay how does that happen well Tammy cowens who's that Tammy cowens is a DEA informant um who had a relationship with another member of B.M.F. out of L.A. called Blue Da Vinci. That was his lady in the early 2000s. That's how she gets introduced to Meach and BMF through Blue Da Vinci. And I really, I've only heard this briefly. She had some kind of company. Does she have a company and he was asking her to launder money for him or something? was that she he he who um bleech no blue da Vinci or something i don't know nothing about that part okay so somehow or another

this is what i my understanding and i probably got it wrong but she had some kind of a company or something and somebody a drug dealer somebody came to her and was trying to get her to launder money or well you're talking about terry white the terry white case okay and then she was involved with him in a romantic relationship oh is this the FBI agent no Yeah, Tammy Cowens is the DEA agent, but Terry White is a hustler out of Atlanta. What happens there? Because that's kind of how she gets tied in with the FBI, right? Well, she somehow, she stops dealing with Blue Da Vinci, right?

And she's enamored and fascinated with Big Meach, right? So, Big Meach falls in 2005. Somehow, between 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, this girl, Tammy Cowens ends up with Big Meach's life rights and power of attorney over his life, right? and um how she got it what was his compensation for giving her that has never been explained right and this is where things get a little shaky uh for mech because a lot of the questions are like what did you get in return for giving this girl your life rights and power of attorney right when you had family members

that you could have gave your life rights to or you could have kept them yourself did your time and got out and controlled your own destiny. But this girl ends up with his life rights and then she ends up being a DEA informant, right? Who takes down Terry White. That's what I'm saying.

Do you know how she became a DEA informant? Well, this is, according to the paperwork, according to the Franks hearing, right? And this is Jack Harvey, you understand. Who's Jack Harvey? Jack Harvey was the lead special agent inside of DEA Atlanta that was responsible for bringing down BMF nationwide. So I was saying FBI, it's DEA. It's DEA. And Jack Harvey was the main nigger that led that charge.

Okay. Right. So the way it's explained, the way Jack Harvey explains it in the Franks hearing, while he's on the stand getting cross-examined, I forget which attorney, but there were four attorneys for the defense. And this is all going down in eastern Missouri. This is in St. Louis, right? Jack Harvey explains that Tammy Cowan's is talking to the way he terms it, quote, unquote, in ex-con. And Tammy Cowens is asking this ex-con, like, yo, I'm involved with this guy whose name is Terry White. He's asking me to use my credit card to buy cashier's checks. Okay, this is a- Right? Yeah. And make them out to the name of his business.

for say, let's just say, 40 grand. And then Terry White would give her back 50 grand in cash. So he's cleaning up his money and she's making a dime or 10,000, you know, every time she's done this. And there's even one reference in the paperwork that it was up to $100,000. She had did like a $100,000 deal with him at one point. So the way it's explained. Tammy Cowens is talking to this ex-com, right?

Laundering money for him. And she says, can I get in trouble for this? And the ex-con dude is like, yeah, yeah, you can get in trouble for that. You know, you better go straighten that out and go see my man Jack Harvey. Oh, okay. This is what the ex-con tells. But Jack Harvey never says who this ex-con is. Okay.

Right? You better go see my man Jack Harvey. He's not wrong. She definitely could get in trouble for that. But check this out, though. Check this out. Check this out. Go see my man Jack Harvey and get in front of this thing.

She's like, all right. So soon as she hangs up with the ex-con, the ex-con nigger calls Jack Harvey on the phone and says, yo, my girl is coming down there. This lady's coming down there. Her name is Tammy Cowan's. Boom, boom, bang. She's coming down there.

Click. So Tammy goes down and basically lays it out what Terry White is doing. And this is to Jack Harvey. She meets with Jack Harvey, I want to say, in the DEA Atlanta office, right? And at this point, Terry White is not under investigation. Jack Harvey doesn't even know who Terry White is. He's not even on the radar. but based on the information that Tammy Cowan's volunteers at the direction of this quote-unquote

ex-con right now Terry White is got a flashlight and a magnifying glass up his ass by the DEA by Jack Harvey and this begins in 2008 he gets arrested and I want to say maybe 09 010 and pleads guilty and gets sent to prison in 011. And she is romantically involved with him, right? They're in a relationship. And Jack Harvey even explains in the paperwork that Tammy Cowens was the heart and soul of the Terry White case. And he thought it was odd because she came to him

right she wasn't a drug addict looking to give information to get drugs she she didn't have a case she wasn't defendant in a case so she she didn't need to do anything to to cooperate to get time off you know she just came under her own volition just like wanting to do the right thing and knock this man off terry white well i mean i also think she had gotten herself into a position where she knew if this guy gets in trouble someday, she could get in trouble. Like, that's probably an incentive, too. Not true, because Jack Harvey even says on the stand, and he says he told her, for what you have done and what you're doing, you can't get in trouble for this.

Okay. He tells her that. Was he paying her, compensating her? He who? Was the government compensating her? At this point, no. Okay. She's not a paid informant.

She ain't got no case. She's not a drug addict. Like I say, she just comes out of the blue, goes to Jack Harvey. Out of all the other DEA agents in the world, she could have went to Atlanta PD, she could have went to Marietta PD, she could have went to... Yeah, but you just said she was directed to him by somebody. Right, that's what I'm saying. And that's the lynchpin in this case, right?

Because Jack Harvey is responsible for bringing down all of the BMF, including me, Okay. You understand what I'm saying? And this is where things get shaky for Meach again, right? Because he's got a connection to him. He's got a connection to her. Right? Well, you just said he's got a connection to that this is the guy that brought

to- To Jack Harvey and to Tammy Cowens because she's got his life rights right now. Right, right. She's going to see him in prison or she's going to, she's riding to see Big Meach in prison with Terry White in the car calling Jack Harvey on the phone Hello Jack Harvey picks up

She puts the phone down While this shit is still on And is talking to Terry White About his money laundering His drug cases And Jack Harvey is listening to all this While they're going to visit Meach In prison Terry White

And Tammy Counts Okay So that's how funky This case gets, right? And it seems to me, and this is even down to cuff, and let me, let me, let me, let me, let me qualify and let me take a stand. I'm a cuffy, nigga, right? I'm pro-cuffy, right? I'm not, I'm not anti-meach, I'm not pro-meach, but I'm pro-cuffy. You can see where he's coming from. You get his. I'm fucking with coffee. And I got a story we'll tell you how I got

introduced to this whole case, too. It was while I was in prison. Um, so, Tammy Cowens ends up with Big Meach's life rights and his power of attorney for no reason, right? What's your compensation? Are you going to give somebody your life rights and power of attorney your life for nothing? Yo, just take it, Sean.

No, I'd have to have a, I mean, if I were to do that, I would have to have a tremendous amount of trust. I'm not going to sign it over for nothing. Thank you. Stop right there. Stop right there. You're not going to do it on the strip. Yo, take it.

Knock yourself out. Go sell my life rights for $2 million. Man, have a good time. I'm going to chill right here. I'm a chill in the fairs right here and Jessup. You go do your thing. You're not doing that. Well, I don't know that there's any reason for him to have had to have done that.

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Because I'm not going to give you mine. I said, listen, if I give you my life rights and I give you my... Well, you can represent me on my life rights without me signing them over to you. You just go get the deal. We'll sign that later. If you get a deal... Right, but I need something out of it. If I'm going to give you my life rights, I need something out of it.

You understand? And we're talking about a person who's a businessman, right? This is a hustler. right you know you can't you can't and what i don't want to do um you can't deny big meech and southwest t's leadership and genius in terms of organization and running a business that can't be denied right because you don't get to do you you you're moving drugs in los angeles you're moving them in st louis you're moving them in Atlanta you know and you handling this thing, right? So these guys are very, very smart guys, and they understand capitalism. I sell

you a product. You give me money. I give you something. I get something in return. So the life rights, the power of attorney, right? And then now you go and you, Terry White gets busted, right? and Tammy Cowens and Terry White are together and they're going to visit Big Meach in prison together, right? Okay. So these are the things, and it comes down, like every dude that gets close to this girl,

Tammy White, ends up getting knocked off, right? And Jack Harvey even alludes to that. Let me say that. So while Harvey is on the stand and he's explaining how Tammy Cowens came to him and his conversation with the ex-Con the defense attorney asks him. Like, you know, why do you think this ex-con did that?

And Jack Harvey expressly states, I think it was like a jealousy. He was competing for her affection. The ex-con was competing for Tammy Cowan's affection. You know what I'm saying? And Terry White was already. with her right so that is also in the paperwork right you want to keep maybe you want to keep certain people away from a woman that's got a lot of control over you and she's coming to see you on

the regular or she's answering your phone call ain't no question running errands for you ain't no question and also in the in the franks hearing um one of the defense attorneys says on the record that in August of 2012, which was the same month that the wiretaps went down in St. Louis, Tammy Cowens went to visit an inmate in prison six times in one month. And she's sending money in to this inmate consistently. You understand? man and we know that she's linked up with big meech you understand what i'm saying so it's a it's a it's a it's a very very interesting case man and uh very very perplexing

complicated convoluted mistakes were made you got uh dea agent misconduct right is he having an affair with her right who a agent right not jack harvey the other the other there's another DEA after Terry White gets busted right Jack Harvey retires in 2011

the new guy comes in the new guy comes in his name is Keith Cromer who Jack Harvey worked under right and when Keith Cromer comes in Keith Cromer

is a wiretap specialist they begin to pay Tammy Counts $2,500 a month for her information as she begins to supply information on Cuffy now at the direction of Big Meach

Okay, why how do you know this? Because that's in the motion to suppress Who filed that much? The motion to suppress wiretaps was filed by Cuffy Dion Gatlin right? Tammy Cowens says in the affidavit, if you look at the motion to suppress, page 11, page 12. In September 2011, Tammy Cowan states that Big Meach directed her to call Fidel Suarez, which was a Mexican dude out of California with direct ties to a cartel that he was locked up with in Detroit.

and to connect Fidel Suarez and Cuffy in St. Louis so they could do, they could sell drugs, and Big Meach gets a finder's fee from the drugs that they sell. And this is while Meach is in the joint. Okay. Right? It says it in that. That doesn't seem too far-fetched because, I mean,

I know guys that were moving, I know Mexican cartel members that were moving, hundreds of tons of drugs over the board while they were locked up like they're directing like if they're if they're in the mexican jail that's a given that they've got five cell phones they've got run of the place but um i know guys that have been in federal prison that are running that are running operations no question it don't stop yeah that are running uh operations it's more difficult but it's definitely it still happens matter of fact i know guys that have been recharged while they were incarcerated for getting busted while they're inside so i'm inside the

whole time giving up giving information over the phone or in person when people come to see and then eventually three years later that whole operation gets busted and these guys get recharged and they were in prison for the entire um conspiracy and they get recharged that's an interesting point that's an interesting point because um Tammy Cowan expressly states that Big Meach is a part of that conspiracy, right? Keith Kromer gets on the stand. He also testifies on the stand under oath that Tammy Cowens told him that the conspiracy with Big Meach, Fidel Suarez, and Cuffy, and he was the receiver finder's fee.

That's the second party that puts him, puts Big Meach in the conspiracy. And another attorney, all of the attorneys were alluding to it. But when Cuffy gets busted, right, Meach doesn't get charged. He gets, he's an unindicted co-conspirator on Cuffy's case. Is that what you just say? Which is initiated by Tammy Cowns. What are the, trying to think. How does the indictment read?

Does it just say that there's, you know, Do they give him an initial and say unindicted? Like, how do you know he's the, the unindicted co-conspirator? Well, I did a live interview on my podcast channel. The podcast was so Cuffy called in from prison. He's in FMC, Lexington, Kentucky. And I asked him point-blank and frank on my show. And he explained the whole thing that Big Meach is an unindicted co-conspirator on that case, right?

and you just said it and I know you're supposed to get re-indicted whether you on the street or you in the joint if you involve you get a new charge he never gets charged okay okay

your inference is that he doesn't get charged because he's working with the feds that's why they don't charge him they list him as an undiative co-conspiracy just to let him everybody know that he's one of the conspirators, but we're not going to charge him and there's a reason for them not charging him

because he's working with him. Is that? Matt, he's an unindicted co-conspirator. And before I even brought this up to you, you just said it before you says, you've seen dudes get charged from selling drugs in prison. You said three years later,

everybody gets busted, and the dude gets a new charge. Right. so that's it now why he wasn't the unindicted co-conspirator it never really explains that right there is no and and i think this is where a lot of the debate goes on with this case is because you don't find a 5k1 you don't find the rule 35b from big meech a 5k1 by big meech it's not in the sentencing hearing uh where the assistant u.s attorney steps up and tells the judge Well, you know, Your Honor, so-and-so provided a lot of information

and considerable assistance in this investigation, and we're going to ask for a downward departure. You don't have that. You don't have a proffer, right? And if that's your measuring stick for whether he cooperated or not, then you're not going to find that, right? But everything that I'm explaining that's in the paperwork, you know what I'm saying you've been to the feds you know how I would go well you can draw you you

you can conclude well you can so there there's lots of ways just like when we're talking about to begin with um you know saying that it's boilerplate right like you sold this many drugs here's where you fall right that you know there's lots of people out there will say oh no the sentencing guidelines it's it's honestly it's designed to be very fair the problem is it is fair but you still have humans involved right so now you've got if there's humans are involved then there's a way to be manipulate the system right so for instance let's say you're part of the way they're going to they're going to give you an incentive to plead guilty is they say look if you make us go to trial we're going to hit you with all of these enhancements they're going

knock your dick you're getting life they're going to bust your head to the white meat so or but if you plead guilty. So you're sitting there saying, yeah, but if I plead guilty, I'm going to get 15 years. And they go, well, yeah, but if you plead guilty this week, we'll drop this enhancement and this enhancement. And you're looking at, you're looking at seven years. And then it's like, oh, okay, but I did do these things. Yeah, but we're going to drop them. Do you see what I'm saying? So like, that's manipulation. It's not supposed to be like that, but it's manipulation. I give you another example, and I've used this example. Well, let me, let me, And I want to hear that example, but let me just say in terms of this Cuffy case and this Meach case, what you're saying is going to be pure speculation. And I just want to say that for the audience so that they know that based on the paperwork that I've read, what you're saying is exactly true. But that didn't happen here as far as the paperwork is concerned.

Okay. What I'm trying to say is that the government will give you an example. Let's say somebody pleads guilty. I'm sorry, let's say somebody cooperates, and they go, I don't want my cooperation showing up anywhere. And so that puts the government, first of all, they wouldn't do this for just anybody, by the way. They wouldn't do this for just something. No, for me or for you or for something to do down the street. No, like most people are too small time, right? But at a bigger level, they would do this probably. I don't know if Cuffy, if the, you know, the however many keys that he was moving, I don't know if that.

Cuffy was a player, man. Okay, well, I don't know if that meets that, if that's what happened here, but I do know that if you go to the government and you say, hey, you know, I'm going to cooperate, but I don't want my cooperation to show up. Typically what they'll do is they'll file something and then they'll seal it. The problem with that is, if you look on the docket sheet, you're like, yeah, I don't see, I don't see a Rule 35. But I do see the government filed something and it was sealed. I do see you were brought back to court and there was a hearing and it was sealed. I do see that this happened and it was sealed. And I do see that your sentence was reduced and it was in the reason is sealed. Like, I'm not stupid. I can figure out you did something. They filed a reduction. There was a hearing about the reduction.

The judge filed and said, we're going to reduce this sentence and then it was reduced. Like, I'm not stupid. Something happened there. What else could it be? I mean, you're not a spy. You know what I'm saying? It's not like it's a national security. You know, you're not spying on the Russians.

You should say it's the only thing it could be. The only thing that makes sense is if you're either spying and it's, you know, there's some kind of a whatever, there's some kind of a international, you know, government secrets that they don't want to reveal or you're cooperating. But there are other way, people think, yeah, that's the only two reasons. But there's other ways to do it. You know, there's other ways to say, hey, we're going to, we're going to put in a motion. We're going to say, we're going to reduce your sentence because you now meet this law.

or we gave him an enhancement that we now agree doesn't apply, right? That would be very, very, very rare for that to happen. But I think under certain circumstances, a U.S. attorney would be willing to do it, but you would have to have pressure from whatever government agency is involved, right? So if the IRS is investigating you or the DEA or the FBI or Secret Service or whoever, that agent would have to, one, put pressure on them like, listen, we can't do this. It's going to come out. How about this? They file a 2255. They say this didn't apply. You guys agree to it. You're not two levels off. Something like that, right? Like, that's possible. Well, see, that's what the inference is drawn is that in Meech's situation, Tammy Cowens was that, right? was the buffer between his name being on a 5K1 or Rule 35B or a proffer that she was working on his behalf because she says it expressly when she first meets Keith Croma after Jack Harvey retires it's in the paperwork but Tammy Cowens ends up being such a liar you know that

You know, you can't really believe much of what she says, but when she, according to the paperwork, when she is introduced to Keith Cromer, she asks him, can I get Demetrius Flannery a time cut for the work that I'm going to do? Right. And he tells her, suppose, we'll talk about that. We'll work on that. so that's what you're explaining she was that for him um allegedly yeah so is she the one that said that or is that in in court documents or she said that and that's in court documents that she and i got a text message that i'm going to show you from 50 cent that he posted on his site that he put up about a month ago was she asked he asks her and he shows the

text message feed and she says it again um yeah that's uh it's here here's a thing if let's if i was going to visit you i can't imagine taking that upon myself without bouncing it off you does that make sense if i was visiting you and i was in this situation and i was uh working as a i wonder if you know like say playing you know looking at both sides like is if you're at If you're in jail, say, say, yeah, yeah, if you're, if you're, first of all, if you're, if you're, if you're in jail and I'm acting as a CI or a confidential source, whatever you want to call it. And I'm coming to see you. Do you know about it? Like if you, if you know about it, first of all, if you know about it and you're letting me keep coming to see you and that doesn't look good, right? Like, I mean, if you're a street guy and you live by the code and everything, which, listen, based on. all the everything that's out there it looks like these guys did they went in they pled guilty they

went in they did their time they didn't roll over on everybody right but then again 20 years is a long fucking time 30 so well I understand 30 but at this point they only did what they do 20 23 the guy had been locked up what 20 years after listen after I know guys after a few

years it don't take long it don't take long and say you know what I'm done fuck you guys right so I'm saying I, if she's coming to see him and he knows what she's doing, he's okay with it. Like most guys, if they're really, you know, whatever, about that life, then they're going to be like, look, you can't come see me anymore. I'm sorry.

I don't know. It doesn't, it doesn't, I'm not okay with what you're doing. And two, it doesn't look good for me, you know, in front of these guys. What if they find out? What if one of the guys that you put in here finds out sees you? What if this guy shows up here goes in and goes in and sees you? And I'm sitting here working, you know, it's going to look horrible for me. so either he knew and was okay with it or he didn't know if he didn't know and she didn't tell him

because she felt i never told him why didn't you tell him because i knew he wouldn't be okay with it okay i get that so if you're if you're a big meech and you're holding true to the code right you're you're a street guy you're not going to find taking no five no rule 35 no 5k1 i'm not cooperating i don't deal with snitches i don't hang out with him i'll talk with him nothing okay this girl's coming to see me he doesn't know anything about what this chick's doing fine but she's got his life rights though no no that's fine go ahead go ahead go ahead go so he trusts her

he trusts her 100% I gave her my life rights because she's going to shop him somehow or another she convinced him that she needed to sign him over to her to do that which is bullshit but let's say that's what happened he believed let's say she got the better of him he doesn't even realize she got the better of him here's the thing she knows if in this scenario

she knows he is not okay with cooperation Everything he's done up to this point is prove that. Here's the thing. Then why would she go to the new DEA agent and say, I'd like to get a rule 35, a third party cooperation rule 35 for Big Meach? Why would she do that knowing he's not okay with it? Do you see what I'm saying? He would have to be okay with it.

For her to go to this, this is a part that, and look, not everything makes sense in the world. I don't know this. I'm listening to you. Here's what I do know is that I've known these guys. I've been around these guys. Like, listen, K, the guy that I went and had, you know, like, he wouldn't be okay with it. I know guys are like, I'm not okay with it. Listen, man, a woman can't go rent a bike in my name without telling me.

Right. So for her to go and approach the DEA agent and say, I want to get. him something at some point she's got to go to terry and say hey not terry big me i'm sorry i'm sorry big meat she's got to go to big meech and say listen i got i'm setting up this guy you i've been dating him he's moving a bunch of keys uh i'm working with a dea agent i'm gonna get you out of here mitch's gonna be like what the fuck are you talking about i don't want nothing to do with that uh-uh uh-uh he's gonna stand up right then walk straight to the guard and say i'm ready to go i'm gonna be right over here guard's gonna go okay stand by the door okay what about your girl over there crying

well i don't know she can she can go i don't know i don't know and he's going and i'm gonna tell her don't come around don't you do a motherfucker thing for me of course that's a given don't do anything for i'm not gonna accept that a woman can't order a pizza mat for me and tell me she got anchovies and bell peppers on it without asking me first when you get to the pizza joint hold on what you want to be

hold on let me call Sean on a pizza so you mean to tell me you're going to go and cooperate everything that you say you set up the whole scenario with the DEA on my behalf and I'm in this joint

with killers and without telling me And this isn't something that, I mean, I understand this is something she's saying now. Like she can always say, oh, I said this five years ago when I was there. That's just her, on strength of her word. Did the DEA agent say this on the stand that that is what she came to me and said? Yes. Okay.

So he's not going to get up and say in front of the court four years ago or two years ago, she approached me about getting a Rule 35. So clearly, that did happen. That's not something she now talking to 50 cents. She just came up with. Oh, yeah, yeah, I even told them that. No, no. She can't go back in time.

She obviously, she left that, left the visitation room, went and talked to the DEA agent. And so, in my opinion, if that's true, I don't think she would have done that at 50 cents. I don't think she would have had that conversation with the DEA agent had she not already had the conversation with big meat. And get clearance. in a visitation room to say this is what i'm doing do you want me to do this he would have had to have said yeah and i tell you right now i i'd a i'd a buddy i don't know i've told this story before but i don't think you've heard it unless you've watched all my stuff which i would like you to i'd like to think you did though i haven't okay you don't have time for so i have a buddy

and listen my buddy i keep waiting for him to call me and say what the fuck are you doing doing? Tell that story. This is the Puerto Rican princess. Oh, I'd love to say my buddy's name too. I, listen, I like the guy so much. I'm not going to, I think I probably have said his name in the past. I don't know, maybe, but so anyway, I'm just going to say Scott, okay? I am going to describe Scott, though, just to let you know what we're dealing with here. Scott's, I'm going to say Scott's mother is probably, and I'm sure I got this wrong, probably Korean, right, Korean or Vietnamese? No, she's got to be Korean, right? So father's American, mother's Korean, they have a child. That's a good combination. Like, Scott's, no homo, okay? No, no ditty.

Scott's a good looking guy. I mean, there's not many, I don't know anybody that wouldn't look at him like, damn, bath fucking, what a bastard. Six foot tall, good looking, the whole, the whole thing. Got the perfect Jeanette's going. He starts dating a girl he used to call the Puerto Rican princess. She's Puerto Rican. So they dated, they lived together. She had a best friend. He starts seeing the best friend. One day, the Puerto Rican princess comes home. The house is, the apartment's cleaned out. Now, by the way, he's a drug dealer. He was a drug dealer at the time. So he cleans out the house.

She comes home empty, just her stuff. The girl starts calling around, and she's in love with him. The girl starts calling around, finds out he moved in with her best friend. She's so devastated. She packs up her stuff and leaves the state of Florida. Done. Just devastated. And he'll tell you, when he told me the story, he said, devastated, bro.

He's like, I mean, it was, he's like, I was in love with this chick, and he said, it crushed me to do what I did. He said, I tried to do it, like, talk to her. I couldn't do it. That's why I just had to just, she came home and I'm gone. He's like, that's how bad of a move it was. That's how fucked up of a situation it was. I did that, I did her that dirty. He knew it.

He knew it. So a year later, it's him and a crew of guys, right? selling whatever they were selling H or whatever, boom, they get busted. And they all get 10 years. Goes to prison. I meet him in the medium. So I meet, I meet Scott. We're in the same unit.

Talk to him all the time. Good guy. There was another guy they called DeGeronimo. DeGeronimo was a tattoo artist, like on the street he was. So in prison, you can imagine how he's, like, he's this guy's living large. He's got tons of money. he's doing tattoos he's tattooing um everybody but he was scott's roommate i used so one day i come in to see scott one day i said i walk in i said hey what's going on and he's he's looking at

uh um mike the de geronzo's name was mike so scott looks at mike they kind of like had this quick hey what's up and the look and i go what's going on like i could tell you know you could tell something's going on so what happens is he says the portoican princess came to see me today and i went What? He goes, yeah. She moved back to the area, bumped into some old friends, and they told her, you hear what happened with Scott? And she's like, no, got 10 years in prison. She's like, what? Ten years in prison. And she's like, oh, my God, starts crying. What are you talking about? What happened to the best friend? By the way, the girl that he left her for, she hung out for about three months. After he got arrested, she was gone. They don't see. They don't talk anymore. She's gone. Puerto Rican princess was still crushed over Scott. This is... She was still in love with him.

Yeah, still a year. This is maybe a year or two into his bit. Two years. Let's say two years into his bit. She gets online, finds out how do I get signed up for his visitation? Signs up for the visitation. He comes to see him. So he just gets a call one day.

Boom. Visitation, what? Walks into the thing. She's there. Walks over. She's bawling crying. She says, listen. She says, he's like, well, I can't believe he.

came to see me. I'm so sorry what happened. I've always felt bad about it. I'm sorry. He's like, I feel horrible. He says, you know, I'm like I'm thinking she came to see me because she knew like, you know, not thinking this is what's coming. He was, this girl is, this is not this girl, by the way. This is not a street girl. She says, I'm going to get you out of here. And he goes, what? She says, I have a friend. Her boyfriend went to jail. She told me that if I help the DEA get somebody arrested or something like she doesn't even have a clue if i help them then they said that they can give you the credit and i can get you out of here and he's like what are you doing he's like you can't do that i'm not going to let you do that like i took a plea like i didn't

i could have done that for myself he's like i didn't do that i'm not doing it he's like you're not doing that and she's like look i i don't i'm going to do it now scott has always maintained i told her not to do it okay scott I know you did, you know, but I know why, but, you know, that's not what happened. So what ends up happening is he, he's like, yeah, well, can you believe that? And I said, you know, we're sitting there and Mike's looking like, yeah, he's like, yeah, that's what she's saying. And I said, everybody needs a good pair of jeans.

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fucking with that. I told her no. Okay. A month later, she comes. She says, I met a guy. I met this guy. I know this guy. A couple other guys, this friend of mine introduced me to him. I've been hanging out with him. He said, I told her no. I told her, don't do it. Don't do it. I know what you're thinking. and don't do it. She's a couple weeks later. She comes back. She's like, I talked to the DEA agent.

He's, of course, the whole time. I told her not to do it. For somebody who said not to do it, Scott, you know step by step what she's doing. So for somebody who said don't do it, she keeps coming back and giving you the blow by blow. But you said, no, okay, I get it. You're a tough guy.

I get it. You're a stand-up guy. So then she comes back one time. And by that point, this isn't my only story. You know, you've heard this from multiple guys, but this is Scott's part. Scott. She comes back one day. She hooked up.

She's wore a wire multiple times on these guys. She's probably banging the guy, right? She's probably dealing with the guy, or dating him or whatever. She gets this guy on tape. She gets a couple of his buddies on tape. She's got him dead to rights. A few more months go by, bam, they bust them all. so I don't really know at this point I know she was they were talking about it and I'm joking about it so much I think I made Scott feel uncomfortable he kind of stops telling me about it right stops telling it so whatever I'd say a year later we're now three years into his sentence his 10 year sentence that he's got to do eight and a half he has to do eight and a half in the we're in the medium I walk in one day they tell him to come to R&D no I just walk

in his cell one day. You know what Scott used to do? Scott used to take the trash cans and they would fill them up with oil and they would take a stinger and boil the oil and he would make like deep fried. You ever had the deep fried wraps or they deep fried? Yeah, yeah. The stomboli's. Yeah, that was his hustle. Right. So he's, so, you know, I come in one day and they're wrapping them up and everything or were they or I don't know if he was going to make him. For some reason, I went in there to see him. Like, was he doing it? Hey, are you doing it this weekend? Something like that. So I walk in and Mike's in there with him. and they're glanced i walk in and they're they're in there hey hey what's what's up what's

what's going on what's going on and there he's like oh nothing nothing nothing and mike looks over mike goes fucking tell him fucking tell him what you just tell him and i go what's going on what and he goes he goes he's tell him and he goes i'm on the pack out you're on the pack out i'm like what are you going like a low what what i don't and he's like and he goes he's going home going home niggum he goes what he's like he got immediate release they're releasing him to mark not even halfway house he's going home and i went no the porto rican princess and he's like he's like yeah like holy shit i was like oh and he goes yeah he goes that motherfucker just he goes he just did three years on a 10 year bid three years and I go I can't believe she did it I said dang bro I said that was the right move and he looked and he goes no I told her not to I told it and you know Mike's looking like Mike probably knew the truth you know but yeah yeah but he's you know he's like no I told her not to it's okay well that's either way so listen next day packs up his stuff tells everybody he's being shipped to the low oh you lied about it walking out the door yeah man I'm going I'm going across the

street to the low and just bolts listen to when i got out of prison um i think he saw me on some program he he builds custom pools and uh in in in like dallas or houston right now got a massive company has a new as a brand new wife has three gorgeous kids all little boys look just like them and just rolling in my turned this whole life around, you know, good for him. But, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? The Puerto Rican, listen, you know, I gave him shit too.

When I talked to him on the phone, I was like, bro, tell me, because I could see the pictures on, on Instagram. I would look at it. I'm like, bro, tell me that this is the Puerto Rican princess. And by the way, this chick didn't look Puerto Rican. She looks, she looks Asian, the chick I'm looking at. But I could be wrong. You know, maybe there's Asian there. And I don't know.

And I was like, tell me this is the Puerto, he's like, no, bro, that didn't. work out. I'm like, you're a fucking scumbag. You are a scummy. He's like, what was supposed to do? It didn't work out. I got out. I mean, it didn't work out. I'm like, man, this girl got you out of prison. And he, listen, and this was not a girl that knew what was going on. You know what I'm saying? She was not that. She was a middle class girl. She loved him. Yeah. And he dipped on her anyway. Mm-hmm. And then wife is very pretty. Very pretty. Most dudes, most dudes that do, jail time and the woman that sticks with them through their bid it's usually hard for them niggas to leave them girls man because you know when you're at your lowest whoever sticks

with you when you're at your lowest that that means a lot to you man yeah that means everything that means a lot you know if she's sending you money or sending you books or whatever yeah especially because it's an absolute one-sided relationship there's nothing you can do for her and she's doing everything for you and you're doing everything for you and dudes get out and they never leave. They may even fuck around on this one and that one over there, but they never leave that girl that role with them through the whole joint.

Yeah, and I think. This is kind of related. Like, if someone's super wealthy and they're locked up for 10 years, like could they pay somebody to do that third party cooperation? Absolutely. Absolutely. So there was a firm. There was the people who got busted.

There was a, there was a, the girl out of Texas. There's been multiple. But there's been multiple, but absolutely. They sold third-party cooperation. Law firm, the law firm. Right. Is that legal to do or not? Hell no, that's illegal to do.

They got buses. They got sent to the feds. But they made a business out of it. Well, it's questionable. I mean, is it legal? I don't think it was, I don't think it was expressly illegal. Well, wait a minute. I'm paying, you know.

So I get. get busted. I go to jail. Colby says, hey, I need you back here to host a podcast. I know a guy who knows a guy. We can get you out. The difference is, is you're paying him to do that. I mean, the government pays them. The government paid her. But the problem is they did something where for some reason they turned it into a, hey, this is obstruction of justice. Right. Because if you go to trial, the government's going to figure out how to get you. If you go to trial and you put that person on the stand who cooperated for you that you don't know and they're able to

through cross-examination determined like you don't even know this motherfucker how did you, you know, then it's you know, their testimony it don't seem like it would hold much weight like it's like compelled, compelled. I don't think it's expressly illegal but I think that the government

if they want to get you, they're going to come up with something. So they were upset about it. And by the way, that law firm you're talking about, that's not the only time. There was a huge thing in Miami saying this has happened over and over. I believe it. There's a guy named Kevin, it's called Godfather of the Night or Godfather of the Darkness. Kevin Papas, Kevin Papas. Matter of it, can you look, it's Kevin Papas.

And I want to say it's Godfather of the night. He has a whole book about how he cooperated, went from a life sentence all the way down to, I think he did do 10 years in jail. And he got himself out. And he was in prison selling third party rule 35s for other inmates. And he made a couple million dollars. He ends up getting busted.

Obstruction of Justice is what they got him for. they end up dropping the charges and he does end up getting out. His lawyer got in trouble also but I think they dropped all the charges because they came up with charges to charge them with but they weren't going to stick and so they eventually dropped the charges

he's got a fascinating story because they had re-indicted him and sent him back to prison and he had oh gosh it was like um 20 20 or date line or somebody was coming to see him about how he had what he was doing and when the u.s. attorney found out about it they came down and said listen don't do the don't do the interview and we're going to go ahead and we'll get you out of here we're going to have you charge we're going to have you plead guilty to this like some minor charge

we'll get you moved to a halfway or to a halfway house and he's like no no no no He said, because if I tell them to leave, and you don't do what you say you're going to do, then he said, they'll never come back. Right. He says, you know that. And you guys have already, you knew what I was doing. Because he's being envisited by the FBI, by the IRS, by all kinds of people working these deals in the prison. This was in Atlanta when it was a pin. He actually, actually moved him to a camp at one point where he met his wife, who was Mrs. Hawaii.

she left her husband and married him oh listen his story is insane so uh did you find it how do you spell what was his last name Papus Pab no no not B I think it's PAPE like Pappas

Kevin Pappas probably two P's yeah kind of like a Greek name it is it is Greek okay it is Godfather of the night yeah there is I can't remember anything.

You called it. But I did. I read the whole book. And so, and I spoke with him one time. He, because it just so happened that he actually knows a buddy of mine in Atlanta. But I'd read the book before that.

And my buddy was telling me, you know, I got a buddy up here. And he's like, yeah, you know, he was actually in prison. He kind of started to explain.

I go, oh my God, is that Kevin Pappas? And he was like, oh my God. I was like, yeah, I just read his book.

So anyway, he ends up telling him the U.S. attorney this is in the pen in Atlanta in the pin the next day 20 20 60 minutes I think it's 60 60 minutes was coming to see him and interview and that's back when you could get cameras into the prisons he was coming to they were coming to see him and he's like no I'm going to do the do the interview it's already been clear at everything and he looked the US attorney and he told them he they were the US attorney sat there he's like how can I get you to not how can you not do this interview like it doesn't look good for us he said you make a phone call right now and i walk out

up here with you and you put me in a halfway house now oh i can't do that he's you're the u.s attorney you can fucking do that you can make a call and do it i know you can and he does know because he's been involved with these guys for the last five years working deals getting his time cut from life down to 10 years and he sat there and he went and he said the u.s attorney sat there and he went all right well i bet um i'm gonna make a phone call uh it gets up and goes and has something you know this is like pretty cell phones goes and makes a phone call and comes back and they five ten minutes later they come in they say pappas come on go pack your shit up and walks them right out of the fucking jail i don't think that would happen now but this was back in like the 90s uh 80s or 90s so

he had been sentenced like under the old law so anyway the point is is these deals happen all the time And there's one thing that I, so my buddy, Pete, who had done the thing with Wade, um, uh, he had, he had talked about, uh, big Meach. And, you know, and I, I, I watched the, I watched, well, they did, Pete did two videos with Wade, on crime and entertainment on his channel, where Pete breaks down everything on how he thinks that Meach absolutely did not, did not, um, cooperate or take part. and he has a whole other, he has a completely different theory than yours. So,

or interpretation of what everything says. So here's one thing that when I listen to Pete, and you know, and Pete's super articulate and analytical and looks through everything, but there were a couple of things that he had said and that I was like, I really agree with that. And one of them was this.

And once again, like, know what the truth is but here's one of the things that pete had said about meech was he was saying you're the largest black drug dealer like in history that had been sentenced to 30 years and he was like they're not going to reduce your sentence for knocking off some guy for a couple of keys yeah that's bad information now go ahead i i think in my opinion i was locked up with a guy who was absolutely cartel. He was in the unit with us at an Atlanta City detention center.

And what he was doing, and listen, this is a guy who'd been locked up for two years. He's sitting in the detention center for two going on three years. There's only one reason you're doing three years. You're either, and he'd already been sentenced, by the way. You've been sentenced. You're still in the county lock, or still in the lockup, right? still on that Marshall's lockup, you're cooperating

or you're waiting on your appeal and he didn't have an appeal. He'd been sentenced and what he was doing was this. He had his people in Mexico setting people up to come across the border and get busted. You're a Mexican, you know, whatever. You're a Mexican in Mexico, picket tomatoes. You're making, you're living off at $200 a month.

you got nothing and or maybe you're working for the cartel already you're you're loading you're you're getting grass or you're you're whatever you're what do they call that bringing in the graph i don't know you're whatever you're a farmer you're you're making grass or you're harvesting grass you're making you're doing whatever you're working in a lab whatever you're making no money though so he would put these guys in a vehicle pack the vehicle with 400 pounds of marijuana send them across the border get them busted boom reduction in my time he can tell that guy you're going to get the mandatory minimum for $400 in marijuana which is five years that's it you're going to get five years will you do five

years in a federal prison which is like which is like the ritz carlton for these guys one of them I know I know one of them because I knew his celly had told me one like a couple times he had guys drive across the border get busted. One that he was having people fly in. So they're flying in a landing, flying right over, dropping off the, the drugs, and getting caught at the airport, five years. But so he wasn't doing the same thing over and over again. Sometimes they're driving through. Sometimes they're flying in. They get busted. And these guys get, so they're getting busted with a mandatory minimum. They're getting 400 pounds. It's nothing. It's five years. You're going to be out in four years.

It's nothing. So, and they were knocking off his sentence. This is a guy who had hundreds of, you know, or whatever, 40, 50 tons on an indictment. He's looking at a life sentence or 30 years, whatever he had pled to. Whatever it was, he came in, pled, and he's paying his lawyers to bust people to get his sentence. That, that, that, that, that, that, that. So when Pete said that, you know, they got 2,500, you know, kilos on there and they're looking at, they've got 30 years and they're, they're, they're got 30 years and they're. level 45 or whatever and but they wouldn't give them a cut for something small but that's what was happening with this guy so I know that I've seen that in my case um but in my case when I got a reduction for five years okay well I had a huge case I got 26 years I got five years knocked off for a guy that he got six months added onto his sentence the other two people in the case got probation you got probation you got probation you got got six months. They recovered half a million dollars in, in, in, uh, proceeds.

I got five years. Like, in comparison to my case, in his case, I shouldn't have gotten anything. I saw, by that logic. Yeah. I saw Wade's, that interview he did, uh, with the gentleman that you speak of. And, and the way he termed it was exactly like you said, the government's not going to give big meaty reduction for busting somebody with two rat, ass keys, which was the exact terms that he used in reference to Cuffy.

Now, what he fails to understand is that legend has it is that coffee is the nigger that put Big Meach on, right? That St. Louis really is the impetus, right? And the beginning of the explosion of BMF as we know it, and it was as a result of Cuffy. And Cuffy explains, I'm the first nigger that put a million dollars in his hand, Big Meech's hand, and he started crying. Now, at this time, Cuffy, St. Louis wanted Cuffy, wanted Cuffy, wanted Cuffy, wanted Cuffy. allegedly there were two

two government witnesses lost their lives right there were homicides allegedly related to Cuffy and his crew right so

if this is what you can get him on we'll take what we can get we want them off the street right his his his his his his his analogy is not accurate. Like you say, you just gave the scenario in your own personal case. And in this other case, what this cartel do. You know, it wasn't the keys. When you know, when the government, when the five vote wants you, they want you, they want you, they'll take anything to trip you up in order to jam you. And Cuffy, by this time, the D.E. the DEA St. Louis had took over the case from DEA Atlanta because of all of all the misconduct,

alleged misconduct with Tammy Cowan, sleeping with, having a romantic sexual relationship with Keith Cromer, who was the group supervisor for the DEA. Cuffy was a major, major player, major player, you know what I'm saying? And so his argument, I didn't listen to none of that. And then he really was harping on the fact that there was no 5K1, no Rule 35. You know what I'm saying? He was looking for, looking in the sentencing hearing. And every case is not going to have that.

As you just alluded to on many instances, you know, it's not going to be that cut and dry. Why? You're going to be able to see a document. Where's the document? This is a little more funky. You know what I'm saying? This guy that I'm going to mention, he actually has. had a sentence reduction, a guy I know, I give you an example, is that he got, so he, when he

went to sentencing, his sentence was like 178 months, okay, for a gun charge. It was supposed to be like 25, like 30 years, let's say, 25 years, 30 years, whatever, because for the mandatory minimum for an armed career criminal, like you have different levels of armed career, so he was at 25. I want to say, I could be wrong. Let's say, let's say for the sake of argument, he was at 25 years. He cooperates. They give him 78 months. When he goes in front of the judge and the judge is saying, I'm going to give you 78 months, he stopped. He says, tells his lawyer, can he give me 180 months?

And of course, the lawyer's like, it's 172. Like, what are you doing? Why? You want to give him two? You want two more months? Yes, I do. because he knew his judgment and commitment would say armed career criminal 180 months that's the mandatory minimum mandatory minimum there's different for arm career criminal if anybody knows there's different mandatory minimums he had the 25 but the next one down would be 15 that's 180 months so he said 180 because he knew he if he could go into prison with his judgment commitment and if they say yo man we need to see your PSI he'd go what

you're talking about bro I ain't no snitch I got my judgment commitment right here and he this is exactly what he did every prison he went to yeah I got 180 months bro if I cooperated I would be less than that I'd be less than that I'd be under that and they look it and they go yeah bro sorry man you're good you're good and that's what happened every single time yeah but that's smart right like that's yeah he knew what it was because he knows man that paperwork shit is serious in the feds man, they wanted, like when I got busted with my case to get me to cooperate, they wanted to get me to cooperate. I never did.

They said, Sean, we want you to turn in some of your clients. Turn in some of you. So obviously, I'm bigger than my client, right? Any of my clients. So this is just, you know, his argument has to fall to the ground that the fact that you can't swap out somebody smaller than who you are and get some credit. Yeah, yeah. Well, like I said, like a lot of what Pete said in that video, I was like, yeah, that makes sense. Makes sense. But there's one, there was one or two things. I was like, it's not necessarily. I've seen, there's more than enough instances where I've seen that happen. So, yeah. But, you know, I think Pete's very, like I said, he's very analytical. He's very, it's very cut and dry for him. If he can't see it, you see what I'm saying? He needs, he's looking for.

Right. It's the specific document. Like, listen, if he had pulled the document and there's like three court hearings. Let me let you read this. If there was three court hearings that were sealed, he'd be like, oh, yeah, yeah. All right, so here's the post from 50 cent, right? Mm-hmm. This is the post from 50 cent. Tammy, this is 50 cent asking Tammy Cowns. Did Meach know you were providing information when he was in Jessup penitentiary,

meaning FCI Jessup, because Jessup is not a USP, was an FCI. Right. Tammy's reply, yep. Well, in Jessup is when I met DEA for Terry White, Mr. Jack Harvey. This is when discussion started on he wish he could tell or give me something to help him get out, but his name couldn't be attached. They would kill him because of who he is. This is when I first told Jack Harvey, if Meach tell him where the money is at,

could they give him a 15 year time cut feds came back and said no they will give him a 10% reward meat said fuck it that the money rotten first during jessup is when he told me to go to jack harvey he provided me the name jack harvey now this was posted on 50s instagram right what do you want not looking good it doesn't look good listen if meets did i I think he did the right thing. I'm just saying, I don't want to do any prison. I don't know this guy. I don't know these people.

I got to go home. I'm different from Matt. Fuck that. He didn't do the right thing. No, I'm different from Matt. I'm different from Matt. He didn't do the right thing. I don't know you guys.

We're not going to. Because Cuff, man, we got to talk about Cuff, man. We got to talk about. We got to talk about Cuffie, man. So how I got introduced to this case. right? What, what, I'm sitting, I didn't know anything about this. I'm sitting in Morgantown, F.C.R. Morgan Town. I'm in prison. And, you know, one of my main men's in there, a brother by the name of Kevin Magruder, my nigger Black, I call him Black.

I go and I download, um, Rick Ross's song, the rapper Rick Ross, Big Meach. I think I'm Big Meach. Larry, and he used to let me use his MP3 player, right? So I give it back to him after I'm done using it, and he sees me a little while. He says, man, why you download? He's from East St. Louis, Illinois, which is right across the bridge from St. Louis, Missouri. He said, man, why do you download this police-ass nigger song on here,

man, with this rat? And I'm like, what did you talk? This is 2014. right and at this time you know i'm a rick ross the rapper fan you know and i'm just and i'm like what you're talking about man he said man you know big mech is a rat man he told you know and he starts telling me about the whole story but i don't think nothing of it so what was it maybe four or five months ago when 50 cent kicks up this thing with tammy counts and starts him and big meat start

beefing. Beefing. I call my nigger Black in East St. Louis and I say, Yo, Keb, is this the story you said, he was like, yeah, man, that's my man, Cuff. He said, man, me and Cuffy go back to when we was 18, 19 years old, we started hustling together. So, and he tells me the whole

story. And I did my first video based on what my nigger Black told me. That's the first video part one I did on my YouTube channel. The podcast was sold. Then I got the paperwork and I started reading it. And there was some things that were all from what he was telling me. But the underlying premise of the story was the same. And Cuffy tells me that him and Meach met in 1990, 1990, 1991, that Meach somehow ends up coming to St. Louis. Cuffy puts him on, teaches him how to really hustle. The niggas in Detroit wasn't letting him get no money, the money that he wanted to get. Not saying,

He wasn't getting money and he wasn't a player. But Cuffy explains that he put Big Meach's hustle game on 10 when he came to St. Louis. They befriended each other. Cuffy eats at Big Meach's mother's house, eats at her kitchen table, knows the whole family. Big Meach goes to Cuffy's mother's house, eats in his kitchen. They're like brothers and they're running this massive drug organization. I think at this point it's in St. Louis

and Meach might have even been in still in Detroit or maybe move to St. Louis but eventually they both buy houses in Atlanta. And Tammy Cowens ends up Meach puts Tammy Cowens in touch

with Fidel Suarez and Cuffy Long story short, Cuffy ends up getting busted as a result of the work that Tammy Cowens is doing for the DEA supplying them information about Cuffy. This is while Meach is in prison. When Cuffy gets busted,

Cuffy reaches out, has his attorney, reach out to Meach with certified letters and mail certified return receipt requested that, yo, this girl you put me in touch with, then got me jammed up in this case. Get at me, man. I need you to sign an affidavit saying that you don't know nothing about what she's doing and you don't know, you know, come to my rescue. he doesn't hear from Big Meach

and still hasn't heard from Big Meach since that time and this is around 2013 so that is where Cuffy comes involved and this is also not another good look

for Big Meach because why wouldn't your friend is reaching out to you and like I say They're all in this conspiracy together. Meach is in prison, connecting Fidel Suarez and Cuffy. He's receiving a finder's fee for the deals they're doing through Tammy. So he's involved in the conspiracy. He ends up being an unindicted co-conspirator.

Right. Then this honey you dealing with that you gave your life rights to is an undercover DEA confidential source, right? That's perjured herself on the stand. that's expressly stated in affidavits and in motions to suppress that you, that Big Meach, set this whole thing up, right? And, you know, this is the case that gets Cuffy jammed up that is the predicate case, as he explains in the interview I did with him on my page, that led him to getting convicted on some

some other cases where there were some alleged homicides involved tied to him. And to get a Franks hearing, right, a Franks hearing is not something that you could just apply for a motion and they give you a Franks hearing. The government has to really, the underlying premise to get a Franks hearing, there has to be some major misconduct and some malfeasance in the, uh, affidavit used to indict you. And in this case, it was the wiretap affidavit, right? So Cuffy applies for the Franks, him, and gets it, right?

And I don't think anybody thought Cuffy was going to take his case to the extent that he took it. Because if he quits and gives up, none of this ever comes out. But he takes it to the length. And this is how all of this shit comes out. Tammy Cowens purges herself in the wiretap affidavit, the Title III wiretap affidavit.

She purges herself on the stand. Okay? She is involved in a illicit, romantic relationship with a DEA agent in the middle of an investigation of Cuffy, right?

And all of her tests, everything is allowed to stand and stay in the case and he gets convicted. Now, there was some other cases, the unaliving of the two government witnesses that are tied to him and some other drug cases. But the way Cuffy explains it, this Tammy Cowan's case was the lynchpin case. that they used to give him superseding indictments for the other cases which led to him getting convicted. He was initially, from the way I understand it, looking at the death penalty because of the lives of the undercover government informants that were tied to him.

But with all of the bullshit that was going in the case, the judge, man, almost throughout. the case the judge almost throughout the case because of all of the nonsense that i just highlighted right and the and from what i understand she waited a year the judge waited a year to rule because she was torn like this is no good like this evidence that you guys this wide tap what was used and how it was done this illicit relationship between the informant d you know and she told them you know work out a deal man get a deal done and I think the government came down off the homicide joint excuse me came down off the death penalty joint even came down further to not even give

him life in prison but he ended up getting I think 27 years in total 10 on another drug case and 17 on the gun charges ran consecutive and you know but But he, the reason I, like I say, I'm pro Cuffey is because it just, not to say, Cuffy is a model citizen and, but in the United States of America, United States citizens, you know, you deserve your due process in court, right? And it should be a clean process. In this particular case, it wasn't. And I think his case needs to be reviewed.

just for all of the nonsense that went on and I think he needs to be let out man I think he really needs to be let out well I think anytime there's some kind of you know corruption or you know the government's not playing fair or the people are lying on the stand

perjuring themselves anytime something like that comes up to me I think it should be thrown out and I always use the OJ Simpson as you know like Listen, like, in my opinion, like, OJ. But, OJ. But, you know what I'm saying? But, and so people were like, oh, he should have been found guilty. No, no. He should have been. The jury did what's right. You know, so you can sit here and say, you got his day in court. He went to court. Do I think he's guilty? Absolutely. I think he did it. Well, yeah, but you're saying that he was found not guilty. That's right. It is right. Because the truth is, you've got a detective on the stand that's lying. And the moment you find out that there's a potential of people planting evidence. that there's blood where there shouldn't be blood

that he's a racist and he's saying he's not a racist I never said this They busted him on the stand Right like you You he's blatantly lying He's prejudice

And there's the potential That evidence has been planted You know Even if you said Well yeah he's doing it To make sure Because they know that he did I don't care

You can't do that You know what I'm saying Does that make sense It doesn't matter And I think he's guilty He's absolutely guilty And I feel horrible that those people didn't get justice because they should have. But that's not because they didn't get justice because of the jury.

It's the misconduct of the detective. I think about five DEA agents got fired as a result of this. The group supervisor of the Atlanta DEA who had the alleged affair with Tammy counts, he got fired. Right. other DEA agents that were called to testify at the Franks hearing pled the fifth

right right so it was just a mess man and this takes me back to your interview with Rand so there's all that fallout but you withhold by me but you hold up the

the warrant allows them to get exactly how can you have all that fallout and not go ahead and say I'm gonna I'm suppressing the the affidavit for the for the wiretaps I can't think at all bro

exactly man that was the crazy part and it and it brought me back to the interview you did with Rand where he said that the FBI would come in and they would just butcher they would mess up cases you know that they you know what I'm saying and in this particular case

um you know it was just total misconduct man and and this case should have got should have got thrown out and uh you know coffee should have should have been uh should have been let go and i think now he's served i think he's done like about 11 or 12 years you know what i'm saying i think he needs a review of his case and uh a reconsideration but it was just it was a mess man they got pictures and i haven't gotten to this part yet i'm also

going to be doing um i've done 40 videos on this whole case how long how long are they some of them are 50 minutes some of them are 14 minutes some of them they're all different lengths okay but i've done 40 videos on the thousand about a thousand pages of information that i've read and i'm still got keith kromer's testimony left and then i got about 192 pages worth of where the DEA agents from st louis get on the stand and are cross-examined by the defense.

Tammy Cowens has pictures in her phone of the DEA agent in the bed at a hotel they went on a trip together. All of this was presented as evidence in court.

Right? I mean, blurred line. I mean, and yet, like I say, five the agents got fired man and and uh i just think um i just think cuff got got got done wrong man and and that's why i'm a i'm pro cuffy and um i'm just shedding light on the case in hopes that he can get released man and get back to his family because i doubt 50 cent is in touch

with him uh and i'm in touch with coffee all the time he texts me he's because i want to do more And he says, Sean, I can't, 50 Cent is telling me don't do no more interviews, you know what I'm saying? Because I know they've done it, 50's done the BMF joint. He's getting ready to release a Tammy Cowan's documentary. And so the next nigga left, the only nigga left is Cuffy. So I believe if they released Cuffy tomorrow, he wouldn't have to touch another drug or do another crime. That the moment he touches down, 50 Cent is going to straighten him out. and you're going to do his life story

and you know what I'm saying he can get back to his family and you know his health is is not the greatest and he's older he's almost 60 years old now he might even be 60. Right. So that's why I'm,

my affinity is for Cuff because my main nigga, my nigga black him and Cuffy, he's been down with each other since the 80s. Hey you guys, check out the podcast with Soul on YouTube and Spotify. we're going to leave the link in the description box. And if you want to see Sean's life story, the video will be right here.

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