Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Billy Carson's Wife Runs Credit Card Scheme

Episode Date: May 31, 2026

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I got him on Rogan and PBD. It was good one day. And then within an hour, it wasn't anymore. My life completely changed. I met these guys. They asked me to go shopping. And I was like, yeah, I want to go shopping. So they gave me a bunch of gift cards.

And they were like, here, if you go buy a bunch of clothes, we'll let you keep three of these gift cards. And you can get whatever you want with three of these gift cards, but then, you know, spend the rest of the gift cards. And then after you're done, we're going to have you take that stuff back in a couple days. And I was like, okay, you know, free money, like free stuff, sure. So I did that. And it was fine. And I got all the stuff.

I returned the stuff a couple of days later, gave them the cash and kept my little bag that I got, right? How much is this? How much stuff? So I think they gave me, every gift card was $200. And this is Nordstrom's, because they had a, like, that was one of the only stores back in the day. I don't know anymore. But you could literally spend five gift cards and get cash back. Stores don't do that.

Like, you get the gift card back. You don't get cash back. Yeah, they just reload the gift card. Yes, yes, exactly. So Nordstrom's was the hack. So I went and I, you know, did the thing. And they were like, oh, good job. You did good.

Do you want to do this? And I was like, yeah, this is easy. And I was like, well, I just want the cash. I don't want these bags. You know, can I just get the cash? And they were like, of course, you can get the cash. So while I was modeling, while I was going to parties, I mean, it was hosting parties. I was also doing this on the side.

And this is what started to help me because I didn't have any money. When you first were approached, what year was it? 2007. This is in the emphasis. You don't understand. This is the infancy. What you're talking about, that's when it first started. Yeah, it was before I got really.

big. Right. Where people are thinking like, it's just credit card the fraud. Like, oh, he did, it didn't matter how much. It's like, I can't send this guy to 10 years for credit card fraud. No, you can't. Like, now they don't have a fucking problem at all. Like what he did?

What? 10 years. Yeah. Five years. Eight years. Yeah. It wasn't big. Where before it was like, it didn't matter.

It's like, oh, he sold $3 million. Like, yeah, it's credit cards. That's how they thought of it. Yeah. Think I like that, no more. It's not funny. It's not cute now. Yeah.

Yeah. They got no sense of humor. Yeah. I know. It's more serious. You know, when I, when I got introduced to this, this hustle, it was before the big, huge boom of when credit card fraud was like a big thing. You know, when it became the hustle for people to do. Before. Yeah. It was the good times. Yeah, it was the good times. It was the easy times. You know, in L.A., when I was starting to get introduced with this credit card stuff, I started to see how lucrative it was. And I was like, wait a minute, I'm in the wrong business. You know, this modeling stuff is not paying like, like this is over here. I was like, like, maybe. I should focus a little bit more on this money. So I kind of left the modeling acting for a little while and started to focus on this hustle. And when I started to focus on the hustle, they gave me more responsibility because at first it was only them giving me these Nordstrom gift cards for $200.

They would give me like five to ten at a time for $200 a piece. And I was doing the shopping and then I would wait or I would go to another Nordstrom's in another area and return the stuff there. So it wasn't looking like I was going right back to the same store. I was going over here. So that's what they had me do for quite a while. And I was like, I need more. Like, this isn't enough. And they were giving me a certain percentage of the money, the cash when I would return the stuff and give it back.

And they were like, okay, well, you know, we can show you how to start a swipe. Do you want to learn how to swipe? And I'm like, yeah, that's what I want to do this. And they were like, okay. So, you know, these guys, it was a group of guys. And I remember one of the guys was connected. He was actually a fucking cowboy. So they were, you know, very criminally connected.

And so it was three guys and me and my girl. And I think there was like three other girls or whatever. But it was me and one of my good friends and then the three guys. And so we kind of went on a road trip. So we started to like travel together. So I remember we were in L.A. And we would hit all these stores in L.A. That's where they taught me.

So we would go into. safe ways or what's the other one called these grocery stores right and we would swipe they would give me a credit card and they would tell me to swipe for like a visa either a visa gift card or a northstrom northstrom was always the thing because like i told you you could always go buy something with that gift card and get cash for it so it was always northstrom and it was for some reason those would hit always more so than the visa gift cards so my go-to was always the northstrom So they ended up giving me a credit card, and that credit card had my name on it, I remember, the first time I ever swiped. So I wasn't nervous.

And so I went in, and I did what I was told, and I got three Nordstrom gift cards. So it was $600. And so I brought them up to the register. I put them down. I swiped, and boom, it went through. And I'm like, that was so easy. Like, this is easy. Let's freaking do this.

I'm like, oh, my God. So I got my stuff, walked out to the call. I'm like, here you go. I got it. they were like, all right, well, let's go to the next store. This time I want you to get five gift cards. So they gave me a different card and they had my name on it. And they were like, all right, go and get five gift cards this time.

So I went in the store. I got five, so it amounted to be $1,000. Got the five gift cards, swiped, it went through. Boom, I'm gone. I'm like, this is easy. Let's like really do this, you know? So they started giving me cards with my name on them. They would print me like five a day.

And we would go. They're taking stolen information. They're putting it on a card. the card is being printed on a thermal printer with your name on it, the plastic card, saying it's a visa or a master card, whatever. Yes. And it's using your ID. But on the back strip, it's actually the card holder's name, but they don't see that at the point of sale machine or whoever they're, whoever's swiping the card. They don't see that.

Right. And if they were to look at the card, it'd have your name on it and you could show them your ID. Exactly. And here's one even better. So this is how they got good. And this is later down the line in the hustle. So at first, it was just my name on the card. But probably a year into it, they were able to print the last four digits of whatever credit card information was on the strip.

So when the people, this is why I was so confident, when the people would check to see if the last four matched the account, it would always match. This was after a year. This is when it started maybe getting a little bit more hot. Because at first, when I was doing this, like, remember way back, there was no such thing as credit card fraud. I was like, oh, nothing. So I remember they started to get better at the fraud because they were like, no, it's getting a little bit more hot. So I was not scared because eventually I was carrying cards with the last four and my name. Tell me that I stole a card.

Tell me. How are you going to tell me that? You know, really, sir? You know, like that was my attitude. So I wasn't scared at all. So we started to travel to different cities in California. We went all the way up through Oakland, through Bay City. even hit San Francisco. And when we were driving up through San Francisco, I just remember we were

hitting so many safeways. And I was like, I was like, this is such an interesting town because there were so many safeways very close to each other. So we were able to like go here, go here, go here. We made so much money in San Francisco. I think that as a group, we probably pulled down like 100 grand, you know, as a group in a matter of maybe four days. We wouldn't stay. day in cities very long. We would hit all the stores, hit the Nordstroms, and then we would go to the next place and return at the next Nordstroms and then do the whole hustle again. I remember we even ended up in Colorado at one moment, and we were eating dinner at Ruth Chris, and we were sitting with our team of people, and we were just drinking and we were eating

the best food, and he was like, get whatever you want. This is the good thing about this, because all we would do is literally swipe for our dinners, swipe for our hotel rooms, swipe for our travel. Everything was not paid for. Everything was literally on a credit card. So, you know, we were eating this good food. And I remember sitting there thinking, like, this is so good. You know, how can this be this good? I was like, I started to. Isn't anybody getting popped? No one was getting popped. It was literally so good. You know, we had money. The guys had money. me and my girl had money. I'm like, this is beyond amazing, right?

At that time, I remember we were traveling all over. I wanted to move back to Detroit. So I ended up moving back to Detroit, but I didn't want to let the hustle go. So I'm like, how can we still do this, right? And so he was like, all right, this is what we're going to do. He's like, I'll still print you these cards, and I'll mail them to you. He would FedEx them to me. But he's like, you have to, you know, work the cards and send me back 50% of what you make.

and I'm like, all right, cool, let's do that. So that's what we did. When I went back to Michigan, ooh, it was interesting when I got back to Michigan. I moved back because a friend of mine, actually my best friend, he had gotten shot and murdered. So I moved back to Michigan to, you know, kind of support his family and just be there. And I remember I was leaving his funeral. And I was driving down the street with my girl on my left hand side. I see this guy walk out of this house.

And I'm like, who is he? Like, he's beautiful. Oh, my God. It was literally the most beautiful man that I had ever seen in my life. And I was like, roll down the window. Like, I got to talk to him. He was coming out the house that we were going into. I was like, hey, I was like, hey, what's your name?

And he was like, oh, my name's B. I was like, oh, I got to get to know you. I'm like, what's your number? I want to talk. And so I got his number. And the minute that we started talking, we just started vibing. It was like, I don't know, match made in heaven. We just started vibing in a week.

later, we ended up moving in together. And so me and him got so incredibly close. And he had his own hustle. I had my hustle. So as I got back to Detroit, I still had the credit cards because he was sending them in the mail to me. And I picked back up my pill hustle again. So I was doing the ecstasy thing. So I called my boy. I started getting those again. My boyfriend had his hustle, which was marijuana. So we started to get so much money. I mean, he would get, you know, 30 pounds in the mail and then, you know, to drive the 30 pounds up to Bay City and sell those pounds, making like double of what he was buying it for. So it was good money. And then I was taking the pills and, you know, doing going up to Bay City. So we were kind of like a team going all over the state, dropping off the drugs to all the people. And on the way going up, up on all these places, I would hit the stores and I would swipe and do the credit cards as well. So we were kind of known in Detroit, kind of like Bonnie and Clyde for a while. You know, we would spend all of our money in strip clubs.

We probably made million dollars. I always have to look over my shoulder. I'm always paranoid. I mean, every morning I was looking out the windows and I was always peeking out to see, like, is anyone on us? You know, I started to get the paranoia. And I was like, I don't like being paranoid all the time. I really want to let this go.

maybe we can just focus on music, we can focus on my, you know, something else. But I was like, this is, this is getting to be overwhelming for me. And he's like, me too. So we had a whole plan. This is what we're going to do. We're going to hustle our ass off for the next certain amount of time. And we're going to stack our money. We're going to save it all.

And we're going to move to Atlanta, follow our music dream. Because I was like, look, this is getting too good. I mean, by that time, I was hitting maybe I would, say 10 stores a week, not even hustling every day with the credit cards. I mean, I would get a pack of maybe 20 cards from my guy. And so I would split it into like four days and five different, you know, credit cards and I would just run through all these stores. And I remember I was making close to eight to 10 grand a day with credit cards, not just my cut, the whole cut, right? So I would send him like four to five grand. But I was making ridiculous money. And this is back, you know, 20,

2012, I think, or 2011 or something. And so that was a big chunk of money. I mean, I was like, this is good, good. And I sat down and I remember talking to my boyfriend. I'm like, look, when it gets good like this, people get caught. You know, I was like, I don't have a good feeling. I'm like, I'm paranoid. We're making too much. I'm like, let's just get a big, huge rush of money in and then we're done. Okay, we're just done. So that was the plan. So we had drawn out a map of all of the different stores that we were going to hit on the way up to a vacation. at the tip of Michigan. So then we were going to hit all the stores coming back down. And that was going to be our big, like, wop, and then we were going to move. So we ended up driving. We hit this best buy, that best buy, this best buy, this best buy, this best buy, this best buy. And then we got to my condo on the water, and we had a couple days vacationing. It was lovely. It was awesome. I mean, we were jet skiing, taking pictures. And, you know, the next day, we were like, okay, we're going head back down. So, you know, I was so comfortable in my hustle at this time because, like I told you, it had my name, it had the last four. So no one could tell me anything. You can't tell me

that I'm using fraudulent accounts, fraudulent credit cards, because everything matches. How are you going to tell me? I was so confident. Nothing could steer me, like, literally. So I ended up on the way back, I was like, let's just hit the same stores. They were so good on the way up. I'm like, we'll just go back to the same ones. This is how confident I got sloppy. So we hit the first store. Everything was fine. Second store. Everything was fine. Third store. We're in Saginaw now. So we were in Traverse City. So it's like four hours north of Detroit. Traverse City is. Saginaw is like two hours north of Detroit. So we had hit a couple stores on the way down. We were in Saginaw hit that Best Buy. We go into this Best Buy. I go grab the cards. I have the cards.

I'm good. I walk up to the register. my son's dad is right on my right side. The woman is right here. She's ringing them up. And then she's looking at me a little weird. And I'm like, whatever. I get my card. I swipe. It goes through. And she's like, oh, she's like, what's your name? And I was like, oh, Elizabeth. And she was like, oh, how are you doing today? I was like, I'm good. And she was like, yeah, well, I totally like your shirt. Your shirt is awesome. I'm like, oh, my God. Thank you. I'm not thinking anything. Like I said, my confidence was through the freaking roof. My son's dad is over there. Like he's later later. This is later down the line. I ended up getting pregnant by him. But my boyfriend at the time is looking at me. And he's like,

he's like, we got to go. He's like trying to like low key. Come on. We got to go. We got to go. And I'm like, no, she's so nice. And so I'm having this merry conversation with this lady thinking I'm totally fine that this lady is just super nice, right? She's stalling. Oh, she was stalling me. She was stalling me. He caught it. I didn't catch it. I was too confident. I'm like, we're good, you know. So she's like, oh, well, okay, have a good day. And so we start to walk outside in the door. The things open up. The door is j-h. And then I remember the door, and I'm seeing already the lights and the cops. And I'm like, what am I walking into? The automatic doors open. And I'm like, oh, my God. There was like, I don't even know how many

cop cars, but it was the guns. It was like the movies. And they were like, get down, get down. And they started rushing us, right? And they ran past, well, the guys ran past me. And I remember as one of the guys ran past me, my boyfriend was black. And he's like, you need to watch who you're hanging out with. And as he runs past me and then hems him up on the wall, slams them against the wall. And then I'm thinking in my head, little do you know. This is my hustle. This isn't even his hustle that we're about to get caught for. So you tell me I need to watch who I hang with. Well, it's me. So I was like, you know, and then I got hemmed up. So then, I mean, I'm watching him get hemmed, and then I get grabbed and I get pushed up against the wall.

And so they're like, all right, they arrest us. They put us in the back of the cop car, and they start to search the vehicle. And this was the middle of June in Michigan, okay? So it was extremely hot, extremely. So they put us in this cop car. In the middle of summer, they roll all the windows up. The car is not on. This is me and a six-foot-one man who's really big in a car, body heat.

You know, we are sitting there suffocating. We cannot breathe, right? We're literally drenched and drenched. Just, just, I'm like, is this even legal? I'm like, can we open the window? I couldn't open the window. I literally felt like I was going to die. And I was like, okay, this is bad.

I'm like, this is really bad. Plus, it was a Friday. So I'm like, this sucks because I already knew from experience my little debacles with, like, drinking and little stuff that I got in trouble for, I was like, if you get locked up on a Friday, you're sitting in jail for the weekend. You know, you don't get a rain on Friday. You get a rain on Monday. So I was like, crap, you know, it's Friday. So I looked at my son's at, or my boyfriend at the time, and I'm like, hey, you know, it's okay. I'm like, we'll be fine. We're going to get a rain on Monday. We'll just have to sit in jail for a couple days and then we'll get

out on Monday. And he's like, yeah, I know. We'll be fine. I'm like, I know. So we're thinking everything is good. And I'm watching them search through the car. And I'm knowing that inside of that car, there's some credit cards with my name on it that aren't my credit cards. And I'm like, this is probably going to be bad. So I'm like, then they're going to find out that this is my hustle, not his, you know? So long story short, we were in that cop car for hours on end, it felt like. And then finally, the cop gets in and starts to drive us to jail. So we're on the way to the jail. And by this time, I'm literally drenched in sweat and a little bit lightheaded feeling like I'm going to pass out because they're probably dehydrated. They bring us into the

jail, they stick us into the holding tank. So the guy's holding tank is over here and the girl's holding tank is over here. So we could see each other and it was glass. And so I got through in the tank and I'm sitting there and I'm like, this is annoying. I'm going to be here for the weekend. I'm like, ugh, whatever. This sucks. I'm just like still having my my cold, like, attitude and my no fear thing. I'm like, we'll be fine. And this isn't even a big deal. Just confidence through the roof and just sitting there a little annoyed that I had to sit in there for a couple days for the weekend. I'm just irritated, right? So a couple hours go by, and I see my, my boyfriend, and he gets taken out of the holding tank, and then he gets walked over in front of my take. And then there was

like this hallway, right, that I couldn't see. So I'm watching him walk, and I'm watching this guy in a suit in front of him, and I'm watching the CEO, you know, behind him, holding him, whatever. And I'm like, who's this guy in the suit? And I'm like, ugh, this doesn't, I'm like, who's this guy? So he walks, you know, in. They are gone. Maybe, I don't know, 20 minutes, they're gone. And as I see him getting taken back in front of my clear tank, as he walks past me, he looks at me. He's like, basically don't say anything is what he said.

Do not say anything. And I was rolled in my eyes. I'm like, duh, you know, whatever. So he gets taken back. Then they come to get me. And so I'm coming out and I get taken into this room and I sit in this room across this guy with a suit on and he's like, hello, ma'am. I'm like, so I didn't say anything because at this point I'm like the biggest gangster in the world is what I'm thinking. I'm like, this guy's not going to break me for nothing, like, ha, ha, ha, you know.

So I'm saying I didn't say anything. And so I was like a rude bitch to him. Like I was giving him a dirty look. I was cold. And he's like, you know, ma'am, I just locked up a woman. for 58 months, you know, last week for doing the exact same thing that you're doing. And I was like,

hmm? I was just like shrugging and I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. So long story short, I don't talk. I'm sitting there. I'm giving him an attitude, and he knows at this point he's not going to get anything from me. So they take me, I'm like, I need my call.

Where's my call? I want my lawyer. I need a lawyer. I need my call. That's all I kept really saying. So they took me over the phones. I finally got a call. I didn't call a lawyer.

and have one I called my mom. She kicked into some sort of weird mode that I've never heard my mother in, right? Ever. She said, all right, you don't say anything to anybody. I will get you a lawyer. You just do not speak to anybody. She's like, when we talk next,

she's like, we can talk that. She's like, do not say anything to anybody. Went to court, went to the arraignment. So he does this little thing, and he's like, all right, $250,000 cash-only bond, click. And I was like, I almost fainted. I literally, my knees, like, went out. And my heart, it felt like it dropped into the bottom of my ass.

Like, I was like, I'm fucked. I was like, I'm fucked. This is never getting out of here. They put me into a medium, which was called the hall. And it was a long hallway, like, just like a school, right, with bright freaking lights over top. And then it would have bunk beds. So there are bunks on each wall. So it was like bunks on the sides.

And then the hall was where we would. sit and talk, and then at the very end was the toilet and one shower, right? And it was all open. So this was where I was. And they never turned the lights off. I remember this one thing about the hall, right? They never freaking turned the lights off. And my first bunky was a schizophrenic pregnant woman. And so I was freaky. I mean, she was making weird noises and, like, doing weird stuff. So I was like, this is really awful. I hate this so much. But, you know, I'm 4-11 and I've, I'm small. You know, I knew that I was going to probably, like, they were going to, like, come at me, right?

I'm small. So I was like, how can I? Look, this is my mind. I'm like, I'm in jail. These girls are about to whip my ass. Like, this is bad. So. I know.

So I was like, this is what I'm thinking, right? I'm like, you know, I got to, like, get cool with people. I got to figure this out. You know, I'm guess I'm going to be here. So I ended up getting cool with, like, the biggest girl there. and I was like braiding her hair. And I remember I learned how to braid hair. So I was braiding her hair.

And I got real cool with her. So no one would mess with me. Right. But then it was, you're right. It's a girl prison. It was really like a girl's camp, to be honest. I mean, you know, it wasn't crazy. So they all ended up really liking me.

Actually, we all got to be like very good friends. I mean, I kind of lifted the mood there because I always tried to make the best out of every situation that I'm in. So, I mean, I was trying to lift moods and just make the best out. of it. And, you know, I remember going to court in and out of court. It was so hard because I told my lawyer, which was against his advice, that I was going to just take the grunt of everything. I needed to get my, my boyfriend off. I'm like, he didn't have anything to do with this. I need him off of this. And so his lawyer, it was so crappy. I remember going through this whole process was one of the hardest of my life because in court, his lawyer would attack me. Like, I was the

kingpin, like I was the mastermind, which for this I was, you know, but it still felt like crap, you know, when you're both, I mean, we had a thing, me and my, my boyfriend, you know, it was like Bonnie Clyde, this is what we did. But in court, it was like, I am the worst human in the world, I'm the devil, I'm just, you know, but I understood I had to take that so he could get off of that, right? And then he had priors, I had no priors. So every time we would go to court, I'd be like crying and just, he just, his lawyer would tear me, tear me apart. every single court date. And I remember they wouldn't lower our bonds. I remember my lawyer put in a request to get a different bonds. Nope, they denied it. And our bonds didn't end up getting lowered

until it got bound over into a district, is a district court or circuit court, right? I forgot what court, I don't remember, but one of the courts I was in and then it got bound, the case got bound over to the higher court. So once it got bound over to the higher court, we had a different judge and the judge put on a cash assurity bond. So he put 10% in cash assurity on the 250,000. So my mother ended up putting up her house for me. And I remember I was sitting in jail and my mom came and visited me in jail. And she was like, you know what, Elizabeth? She looked at me in my eyes. And she was like, if you do not go to court, if you ruin this and you don't show up and you don't take care of your responsibility, she's like, I'll never

talk to you again. And that, hearing that from my mom, my rock, the woman who has always been there for me, regardless of whatever it was, craziness that I've been involved in, like, for her to say that to me, it shattered me and it scared me. And I was like, I would never do that to my mom. And I would never risk my mother losing her home, you know, or anything like that. So my boyfriend ended up getting out. And when he got out, we found out that the feds were after him. He had been indicted. He had been indicted. And so we ended up going on the run because I'm like, What about your mom's house? Mm-hmm.

We ended up going on the run. I was scared, man. Like, I was like, no, I was like, you're not going into the feds. Like, no, we just need to run away. I was like, we can just go hide out. We can move to another country. We can, you know, we'll go hide, right? I'm like, that's just, we can't, I can't lose you.

You know, this is, we were in love, love, you know, and I had just gotten back. So we went on the run. We went up. We were in Detroit, went up to Lansing. It was like around New Year's. We went to a strip club, you know, we got all high. And, you know, that evening, I knew it. I got pregnant that evening. It was like the second night on the run that we were gone. And I felt it. I was like, I felt it. Something I knew I was pregnant. And, you know, a couple days later, we're still on the run. I'm like feeling different. And I tested. I found I was pregnant. And I was like, I knew it. And he's like, all right, what are we going to do? I was like, well, first things, first, I think you have to turn yourself in. Because, you know, we have a life now that we have to take care of.

It's not just us. Like, we have to figure this out. We have to just figure it out. I was like, you know, you got to turn yourself in. So he ended up, we ended up coming back to Detroit. He turned himself in. and the prosecutor on the federal case ended up giving him house arrest. So he could be with me while I was pregnant.

And then, you know, going through the case, he ended up giving us three months with our son before he had to turn himself in. So the prosecutor was actually a little bit nice in that situation. And then by the time all this had happened, we had already resolved our case that we had. So he had got time served, I got time served. I think they were running the credit card case concurrent with his federal case. So it all got tied into the same thing. With me, it was like I had no priors. I had nothing except for like an MIP or something.

Like I was drinking at 18 or something when I was really young. But I had no priors. So it kept, it stayed in the state case. Like the feds never came to get it, which was very surprising to me. But my lawyer told me that, you know, with Fed cases, you have to have like 99% evidence and, like, conviction or else they're not even going to mess with it, right? But I'm like, you know, what about the Secret Service? So I was always scared the feds were going to come pick this case up throughout the whole thing, but it stayed in state, right? Right. So I remember during the pregnancy, I mean, I was working as a host in a strip club.

And I was pregnant, right? And I would try to make the strip club money. So I would have, you know, I was very attractive. And I was sitting behind a desk. So I would have the customers bring me patrons shots and different shots, right? And I would take shots. But they would be water shots, right? And so this one night, I remember I was hosting.

And by this time I was probably seven months pregnant. I had a little basketball. And I'm sitting behind the desk. And I'm taking these water shots. And I'm like, oh, I'm so drunk. Give me another. And I'm taking all these shots. And the lights come on because it's the end of the night.

And I'm like so exhausted. I stand up and I'm like getting my stuff. I run to the locker room. I go to get my stuff so I can leave and go home. And the guy that was buying the shots was there. He's like, oh my God, you're pregnant. And I was like, yeah, yeah. Little did he know it was water shots.

So I worked all the way through my pregnancy at a strip club hosting and I was bartending. I was the breadmaker of our household because he was on house arrest. So I had to make all the money that I possibly could. So it was strip clubs that I could make the most money, bartending and hosting. So, you know, I ended up having the baby. We had, you know, the baby together. And we had our three months with our son. And, you know, when he had to turn himself in, this is when my life shifted.

It was like what is happening. So he had to go turn himself in in Pennsylvania. And so we were in Michigan. So we strapped our baby into the. the car and we started to drive to Pennsylvania. And I remember the drive there was so eerie. It was like, we weren't really talking. You know, I was just like, this is an incredible, sad, terrible moment. I'm like, this is horrible. We got our baby in the backseat. I'm like, the love of my life is about to have to turn himself in. I'm going to be all alone. He's going to be in prison. I'm like,

this is just, ugh. How much time do you get? Two years. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, two years. So it wasn't a massive amount of time, but when you're in the moment, it feels like your world. Yeah, your whole world is over. That's when I made a decision. I'm like, I don't want to live this life anymore. And if I continue to live this life, then my son is going to end up in foster care. And I'm not going to be there for my son. So I made a decision that day that I was not going to allow myself to live the life that I used to live in the capacity that I ever did before.

So we grew apart. And, you know, when he got out, he was still in that mode. And of course, you would be in that mode. Anyone would be in that mode if they literally watched murders pretty much, you know, daily and they were locked up at a place where, I mean, this is not, it was not an easy prison at all by any means. So, I mean, I understand the mind state that he was in. When he got out, I could see it in his face, like complete hardness, you know, stuck just hard. because he had to be that way there to survive. So he was doing crazy stuff when he got out.

And I was having no parts of that with my son. So I was like, get your shit together because I'm not doing this anymore. And so I dove head first into real estate at that time. At this point, I had a lot of money. I mean, I was doing really well. I had a friend of mine that owned a mental health place. And I'm like, hey, you know, I see that you could use some help. why don't I help you? Because his tools that he used were ones that helped me. And long story short,

you know, I worked with him for about two years. He never paid me. By the time I started needing to get paid, he was paying me in shares. And so I was like, dude, you know, I ran through my savings, though. I need something. And he was like, oh, well, I can't afford it. So, uh, but your shares are going to be worth billions of dollars later. And I'm like, okay, you know, all right. So I kept on, you know, keeping on. And then got to the point where I literally didn't have money. And I was so stressed out. And I was like, dude, can you at least help me?

Like, I need the door dash or like Uber or something. But, you know, felons can't do that? So I'm like, can you at least get the thing so I can run and I'll do the work. But I couldn't get it because of my felony. So I'm like, but he wouldn't even do that. So it kind of made me look at him sideways. And I'm like, if I've been helping you for all these years, we've scaled this and now we're like popular. and we look cool, but we're just not making a lot of money yet,

then I'm like, you're not trying to help me at all, you know? And so that's when I was like, this is, I started like kind of backing away from that business. And that's when I met my ex. So he ended up the founder of the mental health place. I was president of that facility at the time. And he was like, hey, there's this guy. You know, his name is Billy Carson. I want you to get him here.

And I was like, cool, you know, that was my thing. I was getting all these, like, celebrity people. or people with followers to come into the facility. So I ended up hitting up Billy and getting them to come into the facility. And when Billy got there, he filmed and, you know, it was like, I don't know. It was cool. Billy saw what I was doing for that company immediately, I think, and then he could recognize how everything was happening.

So his opportunity to swoop in, right? So he swooped in. And at the time, I was broke. My car was falling apart. There was probably like 16,000 lights on, right? It was like a rainbow. It was when I turned my car on. So, you know, Billy saw that.

And he was like, you need another car. And I was like, well, you know, you got to do what you got to. So I'm like, whatever. So basically, Billy had offered to give me, you know, a job with him. And I had offered to honestly help him, too. And I'm like, hey, there's some things with your business that I think. I could help with. And so, you know, it was kind of like a mutual agreement. Like, I'm going to help you with your business a little bit while I still continue to work here. But, you know, I need, I need money.

So he was kind of like making sure that at least my bills were paid. Now, the guy over here at this place didn't like that. I think that the guy over here, he was my best friend for all these years. But I think he actually kind of liked me, maybe, because otherwise I don't see why he would have been so angry about Billy, right, coming in. So Billy starts coming in, trying to date, and he ended up getting me a car. And I remember the guy, the founder of the mental health place, I got screamed at by him when I told him that Billy bought me a car. He's like, you can get a car yourself. You don't need a man to get you a car.

I just started going crazy on me. And I'm like, calm down. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, you're just, at that point, I think I knew that he probably just liked me. I'm like, whatever, dude. So he started to get mad. This guy over here started to get mad. at Billy. And then he started to get mad that I was working with Billy. And he was like,

you know what? But he's not paying you. Exactly. Exactly. So he, this one morning, it was insane. This was one of the most insane mornings I've had. So I wake up and I look at my phone and I miss all these calls from this guy, this mental health guy. And I'm like, what is going on? So I call him back. And I'm like, what is your problem? Like, what is going on? And he starts sending me all of these different articles and all of these different posts and all of these different things and talking crazy about this guy, Billy. And he was like, look at this. And look what he's been involved in. Look at this. And he's got to get you locked up and messed up. And you're going on drugs and just going crazy. And I'm like, he's the one that wanted him there. Yeah, exactly. So he went crazy

on me. And he's like, you need to get away from this guy. He's going to ruin your life. And I was like, you know what? Honestly, this guy has been nothing but nice to. I mean, he's flown out here on his own dime to shoot a show of your facility, sir. So I don't know why you're so angry at him when he's only been good to us. And, you know, he was like, well, look at his history. And I was like, you know what, I don't really choose to look at people and judge them off of their history because look at my history, you know. What is the history? What do you mean?

Well, you know what? If you do your digging, you'll find a lot of stuff. But a lot of people just don't want to do a lot of digging, you know. So people are very lazy. So there's things, you know. Okay. Yeah, there's a lot. Which, you know, I chose not to look at that at that time, which honestly,

I probably should have looked at that now that I'm older. And in the situation I'm in now. But, I mean, I didn't. I didn't look at it. And I was like, you know what? Just calm down. And he was like, well, if you want to work with him, then you can't work with me. So you make your decision now.

And I was like, all right. Well, I can't work with you, dude, because I'm going to go broke and lose everything if I do that. So I'm going to have to go this way. And at that time, that's what I told him. And he was like, fine, ruin your life. He was so angry. And I thought that he would be upset, but not anything further than that, right?

As soon as we hung up the phone, I mean, I'm cut off of everything. My email goes away. I'm off of the Instagram. I'm off of the website. I'm just like literally erased from everything. And I'm like, this is so weird. You know, I thought we were friends. I didn't think it was going to be like this, right?

So drama. Big thing blows up, you know? At that point, I had. one of my pieces of technology inside of that facility because I was renting it to them. You know, I was helping them. I put my stuff there. So we would, they would use it. So I was like, I hit him up and I'm like, hey, I'm going to pick up my suit from the place. He emails me back and he's like, you can't come here without a police escort. And I was like, excuse me? A police escort? What have I done to you but helped and worked for you like a slave for two

years for free, you know? So that was weird. He really hated me. He hated me for choosing Billy. And he really tried to destroy my name for a couple years afterwards. I mean, I've heard so many different things that he said about me, which is wild. And, you know, really crazy because, honestly, I worked for free, like I said for years, trying to help his whole dream. So then, you know, I leave that. But it was great experience. You know, I got to know a lot of great people.

That's really when I dove into this healing work is when I was, working there. So I started to study all the technology. This is when I started to nerd out on everything spiritual. And, you know, I got really into mathematics and vortex mathematics and sacred geometry. And I just went all the way into all of this different knowledge. And so I, like, really started nerding out. I mean, by this time, I was literally reading like one book a week. Like, I was just in this knowledge thing. And I'm like, you know, brains getting blown up. I'm like, life isn't what it is. So this is different. So as I'm working with Billy, You know, I'm starting to see just realness and so much depth in so many different areas, which I'd never explored before.

And so when I started working with him, it was like, you know, easy. It was easy because I already knew how to scale, right? Because I scaled this company over here. You know, I scaled my real estate stuff when I had my team. And so I knew how to scale. And at the time when I joined forbidden knowledge, he didn't have anything, you know, not anything. I'm sorry. He had a substantial following, and he had a name already, and he had a company already, but he had no employees.

Like, he didn't have anybody he was working with, you know, except for his kid. So it was like, I saw so many things within what he was doing. I'm like, yo, you need to, in order to scale this, like, you've hit your ceiling, right? I'm like, if you want to be up here, there's so many different things that need to get put in place. So I was like, I can really help you do that if you want, you know? And he was like, absolutely. So I remember we had a meeting. we were sitting at the Ritz and I went over and I'm like hey what's your one year five year and 10 year goals and we wrote them all down and I'm like okay we can do this and you know by the end of it we had hit every single goal except for one so you know what was that um going public oh trying to take the company public so okay um you know I it was that was a ride you know being um together with him I mean I was working with him for a while and then we started

to date. Well, we kind of started dating from the beginning. And then, you know, soon we started to travel together and we were just, you know, we started to just be together. And so I was helping him with his company. And I, you know, I hired teams. So I hired employees and a staff. I got all of his offers together. He had never pulled off a successful world tour before me. He had tried to pull off two tours and had to cancel them both. So I was able to come in. And, and I was able to come in. and create a system. And so we were able to do seven tours while I was with him. And we, you know, I've always done events throughout my life.

When I was a chef, I felt bad because I felt like I was poisoning people with sugar. So I was like, how can I make this better? So I organized a couple charity events during that time. And they were big, very successful, you know? And so I was pretty confident and comfortable in creating events and putting events together. So we ended up doing different events, and those were always so much fun for me. We did two extremely large award shows in Miami, very successful, super fun. Like, we did a whole, like it was called the Conscious Awards.

We had a Conscious Awards weekend where it was a white party, a white yacht party, and then a conference, and then a book signing, and then the award show. So, I mean, we were active and busy and doing a lot. I mean, produced a show called Anunnaki, Ancient Secrets Revealed, and, you know, I scheduled an entire movie theater tour. And I think we hit six cities. Every single city was sold out. I organized and scheduled the entire thing, you know. I mean, honestly, we worked 14 to 16 hour days constantly.

There was no breaks. Even our vacations. They weren't vacations. No, we were filming content all the time. It was always for the look of things, you know? Right. Just make sure that we get the, make sure we get, like, this is never a real vacation.

It was always like, let's go live, we've got to go live. It was a lot. It was a lot. So, you know, I was extremely overworked. And, you know, there was a period of time there. I mean, it was like this. When I jumped on board, yes, he was already him. He already had to follow me.

he already had forbidden knowledge. But when I jumped on board, that thing shot up. I mean, scaled that thing massively because I could see the missing holes, you know. So if I can fill the holes and you have the visionary with the vision, and if the visionary can guide the vision and I'm taking care of every single hole, there's no way for that thing to shoot up, right? So it was like a perfect, we were a perfect team for a while. And then, you know, I got to the height of things. I got them on Rogan and PBD and Flegre and all these huge podcasts. And, you know, it was like we were getting booked all over the place.

And then we went to Turkey and we were on a tour. And he ended up getting sick. And I don't know what happened here. But we were in the side of a mountain cave, right? And in a hotel. and the hotel of the rooms in Cappadocia. So I don't know if you were ever in a Cappadocia, but it's very, very, it's interesting, right?

So they have these hotels in the side of these caves and these ancient caves, and we went to one. And I had this weird feeling as soon as we got there, I'm like, I don't like it here. Like something was weird. We went into the room, and I started getting anxiety, and then I started to see the ceiling fall. And I'm like, the ceiling is crumbling. I'm like, I don't know if we should stay here, but whatever, we're here. So that evening, I remember me and him, it was like his birthday or something soon, and we were kind of like a little bit aggravated with each other. I'm like, this isn't our energy.

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And I remember the ceiling was still falling, right? And so the next day we wake up, and I'm like, I don't want to be here anymore. Is there paint that's falling? No, it's literally like, I don't know how they made the inside of these cave rooms, but I don't know if it was mountain. Or I don't know if it was the stuff they added. Yeah, after the mountain. And so I don't know what it was, but it was definitely like crumbled. On my suitcase, there was crumbles of white stuff all over, like my suitcase.

So I'm like, we got to go. I don't want to stay here. So we ended up leaving that place. And then the next day, he started to feel sick. And so, or maybe it was a couple days later, he started to feel sick. And then one evening, it was so bad. And I remember he got a fever. And I'm like, you have a really high fever.

I had peptides, right? So I'm like a biohacking queen. Like I bring all my stuff everywhere, especially when we're in a different country. just in case anything bad happens like this, right? So I'm like, okay, you're sick, you have a fever. You know, I got to boost your immune system. So I'm giving him thymusin alpha 1, which is a peptide that boosts your immune system. And so I'm giving him that, I'm giving him that.

And then it's like holding him over and holding him over. And then I run out of needles. And I'm like, I don't have any peptide needles anymore. You know, we're going to have to go get one. Like, I don't know what to do. And right when I stopped giving him that peptide, he just full-fledged fever, right? and he was like drenched in sweat, complete fever, and I'm like, oh, this is really bad. So, you know, he got sicker and sicker, and it was like he was, he was delusional.

I mean, he was saying weird things. He was, like, sweating profusely. Mind you, the same days leading up to him getting sick, we're in pictures kissing each other, you know, we're like, I'm literally in his face. And the same place where the ceiling is falling, I mean, I was on his chest. He's breathing. Like, I'm all up in his mixture, right? So I'm so surprised. I'm not sick at this point.

But right now I'm only concerned with saving him because he's really bad. And we're in Turkey in the middle of this tour. I'm like, if we try to put him on a plane, he's going to get sicker. We got to fix this here. He didn't want to go to a hospital out there because he freaked out. So I'm like, you know, nursing him. And, you know, I was like putting claws on his face. But anyways, got him home.

I had some prednisone. So I ended up giving him prednisone. I'm like something, I think, you know, you got to boost your immune system, something we got to get you home. You just got to get home and get into a hospital, right? So I ended up giving him some prednisone. That gave him strength. He was able to fly. So we were able to fly, fly back home.

And when we got home, took him to the, we went to the hospital, and he ended up having pneumonia. You know, I was in the hospital with him for three days. Two days. It was two days. And, you know, his white blood cell count was going up. so he was, you know, becoming septic. It was getting bad, but, you know, it wasn't to the point where he was going to die or anything. Like, he was perfectly, like, okay, he just had pneumonia.

And they needed to give him intervenous antibiotics, right? Because the antibiotics pill form were not strong enough. So I'm glad that we ended up being at the hospital. But, yeah, no, he was conscious the whole time and I was there with him, you know, so it was fine. And I'm glad that, you know, he got the help that he needed. But definitely, I don't think that, I think the closest to death that he was, was probably in Turkey because that was terrifying. But when he got to the hospital, you know, he was fine.

So we, you know, after that, it was a little strange. He felt different to me. And I don't know. He ended up getting asked to go do a show at our neighbor's house, which was good friends of ours. And so I'm telling him, I'm like, don't go. You just got out of the hospital. You know, you should just relax for like a week. You can't even walk.

You know, you're like very weak. and he was like, no, I'm going to go do this. And I'm like, all right, whatever, go do it. So he leaves, comes back 45 minutes later, and he's livid. And I'm like, what's the matter? And he's like, there is a guy that he kept messing with da-da-da. And so he was talking about the show. And it was a debate that had just taken place.

And I'm like, why did you do a debate? You should not be doing debates. You don't do debates. I'm like managing him, right? So I'm like, you're not supposed to do debates. You got to get paid, you got to get a lot of money to do debates, you know? Why did you just do a debate? And he was like, I don't know, but you got to call them and tell him not to release it.

And I was like, okay. So I called our neighbor. I told him not to release it. I'm like, don't release it. So he's like, okay. I'm not thinking anything of it, right? I'm like, whatever. This is a pastime.

Two weeks later, I guess our neighbor was hitting him up trying to say, hey, I need to release this. And I don't know, something was not happening. And my ex was ignoring him. So, like, you know, then we. we were in Anguilla for our one year anniversary, and it was the day of our anniversary, I believe. And we started getting, our phone started blowing up. And we're like, what is going on here? So I started looking at my phone, and I'm like, what is this?

Some viral, like a viral debate. And I'm like, oh, crap. And I'm starting to see all these messages, all these things. And I go to YouTube and I go to the video. And I'm like, I'm like, your debate is out. so they released the debate. And I was like, oh, my God. I was like, I don't think it's good.

I was like, it's like actually really bad because I was looking at the comments. I'm like. Who is the neighbor? I don't know. Did he have a podcast? Yeah. So, yeah. So our neighbor had a podcast, not a big podcast, but like a podcast, you know.

Good friends of ours. I'm still very good friends with them, actually. I'm still very good friends, especially with his wife. But yeah, yeah, I mean, had a podcast. And they were just really good friends living in the same neighborhood. So, you know, I was like, why would they release them? that and he said that he wasn't going to release that. And so my ex was pissed.

And I was pissed because I'm like, why would they do that, you know? And basically what I had heard from him is that, you know, this was a whole setup. I mean, he told me it was a setup. And he told me that the other debate guy, that he was West Huff. Okay. Yeah. That he was saying that he was having, like, computer trouble and that he was, like, closing his screen every time my ex.

would have like a rebuttal. And so he was like, it wasn't fair. They set me up. It's all a set up. They did this to try to make me look bad. So I'm like, you know, screw these guys. Like, no, this isn't right. You know, I'm like full-fledged, like protective mode at this point.

And so now I'm seeing, like, I go, my son had a YouTube page at that time. And I go over to my son's page and I'm seeing comments on my son's page trolling. You know, I'm seeing like people, I'm going to kill you guys. I'm showing up at your office. I'm going to kill. I'm seeing craziness, right? And I'm like, this has got to stop, you know? So I was actually the first person to go live to address that situation after it had gone viral.

I went live on Instagram and I'm like, y'all need to stop messing with my child, you know, because this has nothing to do with my child. Like, you guys are coming to attack the adults here, cool, but I was like not my kid. So I was online just, I don't know, I had lost my mind because I went into full protective mama mode. And so I started like going a little crazy on this live and I'm like, you guys need to stop. And so, you know, long story short, the ending of the trip was not amazing. We ended up going home. He's strategizing on how to do a rebuttal for this. And I'm just kind of letting him be in his stuff because I'm just trying to figure out how I can protect my kid.

I can delete comments. You know, I'm trying to play like, like, cleanup because it's just such a crazy, like, situation. I was like, I just don't know how to handle this. And I was like, how dare our neighbors take advantage of you like that? Set you up, you know, try to make you look stupid, try to do all these things. So this is my perspective. So, you know, I'm in protective mode. I'm talking to our team because I was basically operations manager, right? So I managed everything operations. So I'm like on the line with my team. Now, meanwhile, he's preparing this rebuttal. So that evening, he decides to do this rebuttal. And was it? I think the night prior to that. that he went to our neighbor's house at 2.30 in the morning with a cease and desist. And I was like, I don't think you should do that. Like, you should probably not do that. You should just stay here.

But, you know, when a guy gets their mind set on something, it's really hard for a woman to stop the man from their mind being set on that thing. So I was like, very timidly, like, I don't think. But no, he ends up going. and then I'm scaring the shit out of that family in the middle of the night. And then that ring cam footage ends up going viral. And I'm like, oh, this is great. I'm like, lovely. This is awesome.

Now I got to clean that one up too. Awesome. This is just pouring gas on the fire, right? Like, this is so bad. Well, what did he do? Just bang on the door? With a cease and desist. Yeah.

Yeah, 2.30 in the morning. All right. Yeah. But they didn't answer the door. Or did they answer the door? I don't think they answered the door. I don't know. I haven't seen it.

So I don't know. haven't? No. Oh, it's probably still up with you. Yeah. Yeah, that's there. Probably went viral. So, no, I don't think anyone answered. No, they didn't. Actually, he came back to the house all upset, I remember. And then we got on the phone with the guy's wife. And we were like, please, you got to tell him to take this down. It's not fair. It's not right. Blah, blah, blah. And she's like, okay, I'll tell him. Yeah, by now, everybody's, the clipper, everybody's downloaded it, and there's clips. Yeah. And it's too late. It is. It is. And by this time, there were seasoned desists flying around from my ex, you know, to West, to all these people involved.

And then that was going viral because everyone was like, ha, ha, look, I got a season to sis. You can't do anything. A cease and desist doesn't do anything. Yeah, it doesn't. It means nothing. It means nothing. It's just a notification that if you don't stop, I'll do something.

Yeah. Like what? Like what? Exactly. I'll get a lawyer. Okay. Exactly. So, you know, it was just a whole bunch of bad press.

Now, he was preparing all day for his rebuttal. I'm over here working with the team and figuring out how. we're going to fix this fire. And I'm like, this is really bad. I'm going to let him do his thing. He's all confident. So good. He's confident. I'm going to let him go. Right. So I'm going to go upstairs. When he goes live, he's going live at like 8 p.m. And I'm like, I'm just going to take a bath. And I'm going to calm my nervous system in this bath. And I'm going to watch this live. And I was like, I need all of my employees. So everybody was on that live because there was going to be so many trolls and so many people. So it was like a responsibility of all of us to delete and kick people out. Like that's, you know, the whole time.

So, you know, all of us are watching this live. He starts to go live. And I'm like, oh, my God. Okay, so it was like 5,000. And then 10,000 people in there. And then 20,000 people in there. And I'm like, okay, this is a lot of people. I'm like, I can't keep up.

And he's going, right? And as I'm starting to watch this whole video, I'm like, uh-oh, this is bad. And in my head, I'm not wanting to not support. what he's doing. So I don't want to stop what's happening. But in my head, I'm like, I got to stop it. This is really bad. So it started to go all the way left.

And it's just not, I mean, it was, it was bad. It was really. What trolls or people are? No, him, my ex, what he was saying, the rebuttal, the presentation, everything that he brought to, you know, think that he was going to rebuke, rebuke these people. Oh, no, no. No, no, you're just, you, he was looking really crazy. And, you know, I had to turn it off.

I had to turn it off. I couldn't even finish watching it. It was making me want to vomit. So, mind you, I didn't want to, like, upset the situation. He's bragging about the video for the next couple days. And I'm like, you know, I didn't know what to say. I'm like, he's like, oh, no, it's did such a good job. And I'm like, you know.

So it took me a couple days to approach him and be like, hey, I really. think that we should pull that video down. You know, I think that we need to remove it. And I think you might need to do like an apology or something because I was like that, that was, and he was like, really? I'm like, yeah. So, you know, long story short, yes, the debate went viral. Yes, it was, horrible for us to go through that. But to be honest, people started to come and attack us in a massive way after his rebuttal video went viral. And that's when everything started to change in the company. And, you know, it just, all of the stress. I mean, if you are talking crap about the people who are supporting you, you know, it's like, why would you expect these people to support you

anymore? So it's like, you know, nothing good came from that. And so it was like the stress of working every single day for 14 to 16 hours with no break. holding this entire monstrosity of a company on my shoulders, you know, and managing our employees. I mean, we had separate legs of the company. We were not only a big media, TV network, to world tours, events, award shows, producer, TV producer, you know, all of these different massive amounts of, you know, responsibility. I was holding on my shoulders. I was completely burnt out, right? So after the debate went, not the debate, but the debate, but the, The rebuttal went viral.

I was deleting comments for about 10 hours a day. That's all I was doing. Like, we were still traveling because he was still, you know, it was still popping. So, like, there were still shows. And we were still, I remember beyond planes, like, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete. So I took in so much negativity because I was seeing how the negative comments were affecting him. And I'm like, we can't have you out here affected because you got to get back on the horse. You know, we got to get this thing back.

So, you know, I really took the grunt of that attack. Like all of it, you know, I sat even in bed. I would be deleting comments. I mean, this was literally my job from December all the way until probably the end of February. All I was doing, delete, delete, delete, delete, hundreds of thousands of comments. I was deleting, taking in all that negativity and trying to hold the company because, you know, this was what we built. And everything was in flames. And so, you know, by February, I burnt out. I completely burnt out. I mean, I lost myself. I

completely, I mean, physically burnt out, which means, like, my hormones were all out of whack. You know, I couldn't focus. I couldn't think. I mean, you know, everything was flat in my life. Like, I had no purpose, no meaning, no passion, no spark. And I literally felt like a shell of who I used to be. And I was like, look, I'm not okay. You know, I can't keep doing this. I'm dying. Like, I really need to do something different, you know? And I was just like, I can't, I can't do this anymore. Like this holding this company. I was talking about forbidden knowledge.

And I'm like, I just can't. So, you know, I had that conversation and things got weird, even more and continue to get more weird and more weird. And then, you know, April 10th last year, my life completely changed. and, you know, I was an owner and the, you know, the, you know, C-O of that company. I had a husband. I had friends. I had employees that I literally plucked out of the city of Detroit to come work with me. I mean, all of our employees were from Detroit.

I had all of that. And I hired my friends because in my mind, I want to, I mean, you spend a great chunk of your life with the people that you work with. So I was like, in my mind, I'm like, I'm like, I want to. want the people that I work with to be like family to me because these are the people that I'm spending high quality amounts of time with, you know. So that's why I hired all my friends because I was like, I want to love the people that I'm, you know, we're going to grow together. We're going to blow up together, you know, that's how it was always my thing. So, you know, April 10th last year when everything just was dismantled and gone all of a sudden, it's like,

you know, that was a huge shock to my system. I'm like, I never expected in a million years for my friends. I mean, my best friends. of years and years and years to turn on me. But they all did. Everybody did. So what happened? You come home one day and your stuff was packed or what? You know, it was pretty, I mean, it was like, you know, it was good one day.

And then within an hour, it wasn't anymore. That's all I can really talk about it. I mean, it just wasn't. It was just bad. And I just didn't have anything after that. So I literally, like, woke up one day with all of the things I had. and like a mansion, like a couple cars, you know, like an entire set of employees and all the things and a husband and a future. And then the next day, I had none of it, none of it. I had nothing.

And I had no money. I had no nothing. I had nothing. So that was the biggest dismantling of my entire existence. And my life has been a whole bunch of these, you know, as I've talked about. So you've seeing it. So, you know, that was, this process has been the hardest because I've sat here and stayed conscious the entire time. Now, old me would have ran to a club, went and got drunk, did a bunch of drugs, and just forgot about it. But since I've been sober for all these years, I mean, I don't, I was smoking a lot of cannabis at the time when I was burnt out with him. But the minute that my life changed like that and it switched, I quit. Because I'm like, no, my brain needs to be clear. I have to be clear because I have to figure out what I'm going to do.

and I have to normalize life for my son. And I'm like, that is my only goal. And thank God for him because that was what kept me getting out of my bed every single day to normalize. Not bed. Sorry, I don't even know where I was, but normalize life for my son. So that's all I focused on. And, I mean, throughout that process, you know, it's like I look at my life and I look at the things that have happened throughout my life. And I know you probably are, I have some patterns, right?

I mean, I scaled and helped my friend with his mental health company. I didn't get paid. You know, I just gave up my services and just built that for him, right? His dream. Then I went over here, and I started to jump on this thing, and I built that dream for that person. Never did I ever build my dream for me, right? It was always building for them, building for that person. My team, oh, well, I still had a partner with my team.

I was building for that, you know. I was always hiding behind the person because I guess, I mean, I just didn't feel worthy to hold that space, right? I didn't feel worthy to build for myself. So I never did. I only, and I thought I was doing everybody a favor. Oh, I'm such a good person. Oh, my God. I'm like the best person in the world.

Look at me. I'm the best woman. I am the best friend. Look at all the things that I do for all these people. That's not how people should look at things. It's really, you know, you got to do for you. And so many different women get stuck in these situations where, you know, they're inside of these relationships, men too.

And they give up all of themselves for that relationship. And that is the most toxic, awful thing that a person can do because you never know. I mean, divorce, yes. What if the person just dies? You know what I'm saying? What if the person has a heart attack? And yet you poured all of you into this person. You know, when everything changed in my life, I didn't know who the FI was.

I'm like, I don't know what I like. I don't know what I want. What do I even want to do? I didn't know any of that because I didn't know who I was because I was literally living that life for that. And I thought that I was being a stand-up wife woman and C-O-O in doing that. But I see it so clearly now. It's like I was just continuing to tie myself into these toxic situations so I could hide. You know, I could hide who I am because I was too scared, too scared to be seen, too scared to

stand in front, too scared to have this be mine. Because if this is all mine and everybody's looking at me, if it fails, then I'm a failure. Right. So that's kind of what I learned about myself through this. So, I mean, in this rebuilding process, it has been the most beautiful process for me. I launched my podcast last year in June. It's called Unlimited with Elizabeth Carson. And I wanted that name Unlimited because I felt so limited. My whole life. it's like, oh, you can't talk about your past because that's going to make me look bad, you know? So it's like my whole goal with my podcast, with my business, I mean, with what I'm doing, I'm opening up a nonprofit. I actually just filed the paperwork. I'm so excited. It's going to be called the Unlimited Life.

And I want to be that stepping stone for people, right, that don't know where to go, that have tried all the mental health things that just, you know, have, have literally hit the ground and they're just like, I just give up. I don't know what else to do. Because I've been there so many different times in my life and I've experienced over a hundred different modalities in my life to heal my brain, heal my nervous system, heal my body, heal my energy, you know, heal everything about me. I've experienced so much. So I know that there are things that can help people. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. To be a favor, hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos just like this. Also, So if you want to follow Elizabeth, we're going to put in the description box, we're going to put all of her social media links.

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