Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Bounty Hunter Sued $12 Million for Wrongful Arrest

Episode Date: September 11, 2024

Bounty Hunter Sued $12 Million for Wrongful Arrest

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For the little kid tugging on my leg going, Mr. We've got a man upstairs and he's in the closet. If you cross this line, I'll kick it. And this guy sued me for $12.5 million. We have some funny stories that didn't make the cut. One of them is booty and pancakes. So that did not make the YouTube cut. That's on Patreon. Very funny stuff.

I really do appreciate it. Check out Patreon. Please join $10 a month. Thank you very much. See you. Hunting and fished a lot in my life. And I was always good at fishing, finding the fish, or hunting, finding the deer or whatever. I just wanted to hunt more stuff.

Like always, like I said, hunted different animals. We would hunt ducks and deer and hogs and whatever, so squirrels. And I was like, man, hunting, hunting. Got into coyote hunting for a while and stuff. And I'm like, well, that's pretty neat. And I feel like that's vastly different. Well, I mean. Well, so like, I look at it like when you're hunting a turkey, you're calling in a turkey

and a turkey, you're calling it and it's coming to you. And with a person, it's kind of like you're giving somebody a cell phone in a vehicle, and that's a little harder to hunt. It was just more of a challenge for me. So I was just like, well, that's a big kind of neat to hunt people down. Well, how did you start that process? Is there like, do you go on Indeed? Well, not really.

It's really hard to get into. My uncle was a Pickens County Sheriff Deputy at the time, and he told me of some local bondsman up there, and there was a guy up there named Charlie Chase, and we met going on a hunting trip to Arkansas together. We were duck hunting. He's like, yeah, man, I'm fixing to open a bail bond company, and I'm like, really? He goes, yeah, it's in Wynder, Georgia. He goes, you should help me out and do recovery then.

So we kind of hooked up, and he got his company going and stuff. And he had another guy writing bonds for him. And the guy had wrote a $60,000 bond for something, but it was an illegal immigrant. He skipped bond on a $60,000 bond. So, like, soon as this guy gets his company started, it's about to go under. He's like, 60 grand right off the bat. He's like, man, I had to put up 50,000 just to get started. And now they're fixing to take 60 from me.

We start tracking him, and we finally get him tracked down multiple places. And we get to this apartment complex where we know he's going to be coming in one night. and we got multiple people set up and me and another guy's out in the bushes and a couple of them are upstairs and one guy's out in the parking lot waiting to block him in when he comes in and so he comes pulling in

and we're in the bushes out bag we didn't even have radios at this time so we're like trying to communicate off of cell phones and stuff so the guy pulls in and he ends up figuring out what's going on runs to his car gets away we don't know what's going on we're out in the bushes

this guy gets away and we're like what the hell so the way the way Bellbonds work in Georgia also So it's one of the law says that if somebody fails to appear for court, the court has to notify you within 10 business days. And they have to notify you through electronic fax, email, or a certified letter, which is how most of them do it. And it has to be postmarked within 10 days of the time they failed to appear. Well, luckily, they didn't send a 10-day letter on this guy. They sent a letter saying he failed to appear, but it's probably 20, 30 days late.

So then we figured out, hey, wait a minute, there's this law. So we went to court and said, hey, judge, according to Georgia, OCGA, whatever the statute was, 16-dash, whatever, we're not responsible for this because we didn't get the letter in 10 days. Right. So we beat the county on a $60,000 bond and didn't have to pay it. That's a money-making kind of scheme for the, because they don't, if they collect 60 grand, like, they're not spending 60 grand looking for this guy. Oh, no. And that's just cash in their pocket, right? It is, it is, but it's a good thing.

Like a lot of people, you've got a lot of anti-bail people, and the reason is they say they're praying on the poor people and things like that. Well, the people aren't getting arrested for stupid reasons. They're doing something. They're in the wrong place, wrong time. Right, right. So a lot of people don't want to admit that. Yeah, no, no, even I understand, like, let's face it, I mean, like, I've been in jail.

Like, yeah, there's some people, it's like when I got arrested, and the first thing they did was brought me for a bail. hearing. Right. And I was like, I'm going to get bail. My attorney was like, no. You still have to see a judge within so many hours. You still have to see a judge. But even and she goes, she, she said to me, she said, if you got bail, she said, would you, she said, would you come back? And I went, I go, oh, no, no, no. Yeah. I said, without a doubt, there's no way I'm coming back if you gave me bail. And I know. And the big problem was, it's like, this guy has the ability to disappear again. And someone like that, like, yeah, you can't give this. He's got multiple passports. It's like, no. we're not giving you bail unless you gave up so much that it would it would be advantageous for you to come back it would just didn't make sense and even if you're a poor person you can take that in a consideration okay so you maybe maybe it's not a hundred thousand dollar bail maybe it's five thousand something like i could see adjusting it because look this guy's on food stamps and he's broke and he's this and like i can see adjusting it but you have to have some incentive to to come back to to court and it's what a lot of people don't realize at the end of the day it's a tax-free service for the taxpayers. It doesn't cost the taxpayers anything. A lot of people don't realize a city can bankrupt a county if they wanted to. So city of Atlanta's got this crazy crap now. They don't hardly do anything to you. If you want to go up there and go shoplifting at Home Depot, go up there and go shoplifting at Home Depot, they're going to write you a ticket

if you get caught, if you get caught. And then you go over to Lowe's and you go shoplift over there and you might get another ticket. And then you go on over to JCPenny's or anywhere you want to go, you're going to get tickets all day. Well, when you get ready to head back home, throw them out the window because they have a 50-mile extradition radius. So if you get pulled over and you're further than 50 miles away, they're going to go, oh, you've got warrants in city. Oh, you're further than 50 miles away. Have a good day. And they're going to let you go. Oh, that's nice. Right. And then so basically what happens is when those warrants go out, the city doesn't usually serve the warrants. The sheriff of the counties who's constitutionally mandated to serve those warrants.

So all these warrants for all these little tickets, the sheriff is going to be the one that's going to have to handle this. And then the sheriff has to hire more deputies to bring them back, which the sheriff has to hire more deputies that comes out of the taxpayer's pocket. And they don't realize that. They want to say bail bondsman ain't no good, and they want to let people go. But, I mean, if they, we have skin in the game, we put up the money, and if they don't show up for court, then we'll get them. Again, it doesn't cost the taxpayers to die. And we're looking for people that they're not. I mean, if they got a stack of warrants, you can bet the little shoplifter to trailer parks, the last one they're looking for.

Yeah. And that's usually the hardest one to find. People on a bigger bond, they're easier to find than a little small one because they've got something, that digital trail. Yeah. You know, like power building their names, something. We've got different systems we use, TLO, R-R-B, Lexus, Nexus. There's just a lot of different things that we can track people in. If you've ever had a cell phone or anything like that, then you're traceable.

If you've moved somewhere, I had an address, but what you run into nowadays is a lot of people are living in motels, hotels, like extended stays, like the number of people living in that. And when you drive by Walmart at night and you see cars in a parking lot, they've got all the sunscreens up because they're living in the cars. used to if somebody'd be sleeping on somebody's couch or this or that. But a lot of people living in their cars or living in the extended stage now. It's kind of crazy. And kids playing outside like it's normal. What I don't get is that when I grew up, Walmart had a zero tolerance policy. Like, bro, you stole anything they're prosecuting.

You know what I can't matter if it's a $4 candy bar, $2 candy bar or something. Well, back then it was more like an $0.80 candy bar. Now it's $2.50. But if you stole a candy bar, they're prosecuting the fully $0. And they'll, listen, they tackle you in the store, hold you for the cops to show up everything. Now, they're opening the doors. Go on. Take your, you could load up a couple of grocery carts and walk right out.

And they don't want, the customers are pissed off stopping them. But the employees are like, nothing we can do. So it doesn't make sense. And they let you, like, same thing. Oh, no, we don't tow cars that parked in the parking lot. We don't tow them. Like, what are you doing? Like, this is insane.

Yeah, it's like, uh, it's like, uh, Athens, Georgia has gotten really bad because they'll, I mean, they'll release people over there on, like, a $20 jail fee, and like they'll take a $2,000 charge, and then the next morning it'll be a $15 bond, and they're just letting people go over there, and Athens has gotten where it's as bad or more dangerous than Atlanta, the young girl that got killed up there a few months back, it was a guy who had gotten arrested for something, and they'd done it where they cited him on site, gave him a citation, and he was supposed to go turning himself in, because they call that an OR on recognizance. bond and he was supposed to go turn himself in and he didn't and he was the illegal immigrant who the young lady up there a few months back and they're just turning people out of there like the bell the poor bell bondsman over there in that county can't even make any money from what I understand do you start are you at this point are you doing this full time no still doing it on the side I lived about I was living in a I was living about an hour away from where my friend lived in on the bonding company and stuff and so usually I would take off work at

like noon or two on a Friday or something, if I went to work on Friday sometimes. And I was pretty fast at the work I've done so I could make really good money pretty quick doing body work. And then so if I needed to take off early on a Friday, I could, or I would drive out Friday night. And, man, we would do bail recovery. We would bounty hunt all night, Friday night, all day Saturday.

And I mean, we wouldn't hardly sleep. And we always joked about it because we were like, man, it's tough to keep up with the tweakers because they get on the drugs. And they stay up all the time. Yeah. And we're like, we're like, man, we need two or three crews to keep up with them. We're to figure out when they're up because you almost have to catch them when they're down when they're coming down. And I never will forget.

We went to a house one time and we just kept going and kept going and kept going. We're like, man, are they ever going to go to sleep where we can hit this house? There's lights on all the time. Well, finally we stopped down the road and we eased up through the air and we got up to the driveway and we heard a generator running. We're like, they're running on a generator. Like they don't have any power. So we're like, okay. So we sent two guys up to knock on the front door, and they go knock on the front door, and nobody comes to the door.

We do this two or three times, and can't get anything. We're like, well, maybe they're not home. You know, there's no cars or nothing. We had the right address on the warrant. Is the generator outside? Generator's outside. Okay. So finally about the third time, we're out there, and me and another guy, he's like, I'll fix this.

He just reaches down and goes, flip and flips the generator off. Well, we didn't have any idea two of our guys that have made it inside at this time. We just all the powers from now they're standing in there in the dark with the dope. tweakers and trying to figure out what's going on. And the guy we were looking for, well, we were looking for a girl, actually. We couldn't find her in there. They kept hiding her different places. And we finally found the brother. Well, we knew the brother was wanted, but we can't do anything. If you've got drugs or whatever, we're not pleased, we tell them to get rid of your drugs, whatever. We're not trying to get extra charges. And we couldn't do anything to this guy.

Well, we had went and talked to Walton County and said, hey. So do you, what you say, do you still grab him? We've got warrants. We don't, we don't have warrants for us is the problem. So We can only get the people that we have papers on. Oh, you can't, you can't cuff them and say, we're going to bring you in anyway? No, no, we cannot. That would give you some leverage. I'd be like, we could let you out. Well, if we had him on bond, even if he didn't have a warrant, we could have used that as leverage.

They've been like, hey, look, you're on bond. Your bondsman can surrender you at any time. You're obviously over here doing things you're not supposed to, and we want your sister and we'll let you go. That wasn't the case. It wasn't the case. We didn't have him on bond, but we knew Walton County was wanting him, and they had warrants. So we basically told them, hey, look, this guy's up here. And we know he's hiding his sister and we think if y'all get him out of the way.

And they go, well, we can't go to the house. Our warrant's not on that address for him. We have to have a reason to be there. They can't, you can't just call up and say, hey, this guy's over here at this house and he has a warrant. They're not going to go get him. They have to have a reason to be at that house if that address isn't on the warrant in Georgia. So. Can you fire off your weapon in the backyard and say someone's shooting over here?

Well, they ended up telling us, they said, all right, look, we're going to stage down the road. And y'all go over there. And by law, when we go to an address, we have to call it in and be like, hey, I'm going to Nicholsville Road. I'm going to be at this address. And this is what we're doing. This is who we're looking for. So they already knew we were there. So they told us, they said, when you get there, if they give any problems, they said, just give us a call.

He goes, that'll be a domestic disturbance, and we'll be right out. So we gave him a call and said, hey, we're here looking for our girl. This is going on. And they showed right up. And, of course, they arrested Mr. Vowl and took him out of there. And it was funny. We laughed for years about it because he was wearing some pink hello kitty socks. pulled up to his knees.

And so then everything, when you're out riding around and you're up for hours, you just kind of get delirious. You're just thinking of anything to laugh about. So everything was Hello Kitty at that point. Anytime we've seen something, Hello Kitty, we were sending pictures back and forth about the Hello Kitty contest. And I was in a bar called, God, I can't even remember the name of it now. But this girl in there, she had these huge boobs out and everything.

I mean, she had covered, no, but she was a bartender. and she picks up this big water bottle and it's a Hello Kitty water bottle and starts taking a drink and I said, I've got to have a picture of that for my buddy because of the Hello Kitty contest. She goes, you want a picture? I said, yes, so she just sticks it right there between the boots and goes, here you go.

And I sent him that picture and he goes, man, I think you have won the Hello Kitty contest. So, but always trying to find something to laugh about to stay awake. Did you find the girl? We finally got her. The next trip out there, she was there and we finally got her and that rounded that up

but you just never know what you're going to run into out there like I said that when they're on the drugs they can just stay awake and just they do the craziest things taking things apart and you can usually tell when you get to a house where somebody's using that type of substance because they've got things taken apart in the yard and some people burn trash in the yard

but they're burning everything metal cans, beer can't just everything there's just certain places you look and you're like hmm yeah it's something's not right right right it's a target rich environment So you can kind of tell. But so my brother. I'm sorry. I do have another question.

Yeah. Are you allowed like if the person's inside the house? Like we pulled up, we saw the guy run in here. Are you allowed to go into the house, like force your way to the house? Yes. So basically, I mean, you see a lot of different things with people kicking in doors and stuff. You try not to do it because if you do it, you are ultimately liable for it. And you never know.

Like if we kick in a door, it's got to be the address. on the warrant, usually, or I physically seeing the person in there. Like, I have to know, I'm not just going to say when you tell me, hey, he's in there. Yeah. Like, unless I know you really, really well and trust you, I'm going to wait until I see him. Okay. And then you try to do everything possible. I mean, a lot of times you'll call the police out there and you're like, hey, he's in here.

I know he's in here. I'm going to breach the door. But I thought I could call y'all first because a lot of times just the blue lights and a cop knocking on the door, and they'll go police department and open up, and they'll open up as to where they want for us. You just never know. But what you run into a lot of times is the police don't want to be there and do the paperwork. So they'll be like, yeah, sorry, you're on your own. Let us know how it goes.

So they don't want any part of it because they don't want to have to do the paperwork. And we can kind of do a few things they can't. Like we can enter a home. If I know somebody's in there in their own bond, we can enter that home and get who we're trying to apprehend and get out of there. Okay. So it works out pretty good like that. But you just got to be careful that you don't want to just be kicking every door in. It could be real bad and a bad reputation for your business.

And if the sheriff gets wind of it, you've done that multiple. times or something, he'll be like, yeah, I don't want these guys working for you no more. They're causing me a lot of issues. Right. So you have to be real careful. We've had a good record and we got a good track record with all the sheriffs and they kind of trust us and know who we are and been doing it a long time. There's a lot of guys who don't. There was a few years ago in Gwinnett County. There was some bounty hunters that came from Tennessee. And they actually put a guys that they were looking for his wife in handcuffs and like took her. But that was

a whole another deal, something about maybe a deputy had told them they could. All I know is they sat in Gwinnett County Jail for a while and they got out and when I hear they beat the case and like, I think the county may have had to pay them some money. I'm not sure. Don't know how they beat it because you definitely don't need to be handcuffing somebody that isn't your subject. Right. But people do things different ways, but we try to always do it the right way so you don't get in trouble because you can't, you can't be a convicted felon. They're going to run your record. There's certain states where if your felony is over so many years old, you can do it or different things, but in Georgia, they're real strict.

Like I said, every county you're approved in, they've ran your background check and fingerprints and know who you are and they're real strict about keeping up with it and keeping things pretty straight my wife would love it to be a bail bondsman she would love it the the further south georgia you get you never know what you're going to run into down there it's it's uh i don't know if you've heard any much about dixie mafia but there's uh it's it's kind of ran like the mafia down there sometimes it's almost like if uh you can't go buy car insurance unless you go to church with somebody or know them it's like who are you what are you doing here

and you've got to do everything down there by the way that sheriff wants and they're a little different. They'll try to certain ones will try to get things out of you that may not necessarily be right so you kind of have to like figure out a way to avoid that

whether it might ask you for something or whatever, want you to do something or things just aren't always on the up and up certain places. I mean, sheriffs are people just like anybody else you get good ones and bad ones and some that cross different lines. So what are there, any other ones that stand out to you?

Any other? Any other, I don't know, they're not arrests. Are they arrests? Pretty much. I mean, we're resting them for their bench warrants, yeah. So, so, yeah. Recoversies. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. So I've had a lot. So one time when I had my brother with me, my brother bounty hunted with me for a while, too, before he passed away. we had to go over to Auburn, Georgia, or DeKula, Georgia, and we were looking for a guy and, like, somebody says, man, he goes to this country cupboard every Friday, and he goes in there and they cash his check and stuff.

So we pulled in there, and we seen him pull in and this Mustang, well, there was a lot going on, and he was, he got in there and he got out, and then we didn't realize where he went. We couldn't follow him in time and stay a good distance. So we're like, well, we're going to come up here next Friday. So we come up the next Friday. So, wait, I have another question. Sorry, why would someone call you, I know the answer to this, but why would someone call you and say, hey, this guy, I know you guys are looking for him, he goes here every Friday.

Why would someone tell you that? Well, they were kind of being hemmed up on some stuff, too, and we're like, look, we need some information. We need to know where this guy is. You know, you got a co-signer on the bond, somebody who signs on it, and it's like, hey, you're going to be responsible to pay this, or you're going to have to tell us where it is, or your mom's going to have to tell us where he is. going to find him anyway. You can't run. The other bondsman was saying that she would offer like a reward. Like he would say, hey, if you tell us and we get them, I get a 500 bucks. We'll pay people all the time. I mean, we've even helped people out that we've, that we've arrested. And we're like, hey, if you can tell, we have fed them. I've got pictures of people eating hamburgers and

girls smiling, drinking milkshakes in handcuffs, because you want to treat them right. You want to be good to them because when you take them back to jail, you don't want them going, man, the bounty hunter come and got me and beat the shit out of me. And he worked for this other company. and don't call that company because their guy, man, they're just shitty. You don't want that. Right. You want them to go, man, I missed court,

and the bounty hunter come and got me, and he kicked my door in, but, man, I didn't know what I was going to do, and he left my wife $20 to get my kids something to eat. They put $10 in my pocket where I have it on my books. He bought me a hamburger on the way here. If you can help them out and do something, and believe it or not, man, they'll have people in the jail.

They'll be like, yeah, man, he come and got me. You should call him. He's a pretty good guy, really. It's my fault for missing court after they cool down. Right. You don't want to have to put them in there, beat all the crap, bad-balding you. So you said the guy's going to get his check-cashed? Right.

He's going to crash his check, and he gets out of there, and we couldn't. We got behind some other cars, and we couldn't follow him. So the following Friday, my brother got off work early. He says, all right, we're going to get him. The guy's name was Billy Joe Standridge. And my brother, like I said, always cutting up. He was calling him Billy Joe Sammage. He said, we're going to go get Billy Joe Sammage this Friday.

I said, okay. So a lot of times, man, you get a lot of people who do this and they'll have like police cars or ex-police cars or stuff. We've always tried to do things a little more undercover. We've caught the most people out of a minivan. So this guy pulls up in the gas station and my brother blocks him in in the minivan. And I jump out of the passenger side

and my other buddy jumps out of the back and we run around before we knew it. My brother had done grab this guy in the car, a guy had opened the door. And my brother had done pulled him up out of the car. he was a pretty big boy and then pulled him up out of the car and turned around and had he handcuffed

well little do we know the guy hadn't even put the car in park so the car goes through the front of the store through the ice box through the front of the store and it just kind of pushes the bricks and everything in and just kind of sit there and it's idling and all of a sudden this other guy pulls up

and he comes running over there he's like what's going on what's going on we're like he's got warrants he's going back to jail and he's like oh man what can I do to help you out Billy and we said I don't know what you're going to do

but he's going to jail And then Billy goes, can he take my car? Can I leave my car keys? And we're like, sure, whatever, if you want him to take it. So we get him in the car and we get going up the road. And we're talking in a few minutes later. We try to keep them talking as you're going to the jail because if they're talking and you're asking them questions and stuff,

they're more likely not to be fighting and raising hell. So you're trying to talk them and keep them calm until you get there and you're trying to get there as quick as possible. So we're going down the road and he looks over and he says, oh, man, like that. And he nearly starts crying. We're like, what's wrong? He goes, my buddy that got my car said, yeah, he goes, man, he just got all my dope for the week.

So he just went and bought all these pills and different things that he was going to be street pharmacists with. And now his buddy, who he didn't trust as good as he thought, he's got his car and all his products. So, yeah, he was pretty upset about that. So they're just riding in, like, your normal van, like in the back of the van? Yeah, yeah. So a lot of times what we'll do is, I'll put them in the front seat a lot of times, actually, the driver and then I'll sit behind them. That way I can sit behind them with a gun or a taser or whatever I need where I can grab their seatbelt and pull on it and keep them from doing

whatever. Just depends who it is. If there's more than more than two of us or whatever, I might ride them in the back seat, but I'll put them on the passenger side in the back where somebody's sitting here that way they can't get to the driver and cause us to have a wreck or something. We run cameras inside the cars usually and stuff like that. If it's a female especially, we'll have a camera. Not only that, we'll call in time and mileage the minute we get them. We've already called in and said, hey, we're going to this road. This is who we're after and when we get them we'll call them back and be like hey there's no allegation right hey this this is what time it is this is a mileage i want you to logging in we're leaving here we're going

straight to jackson county jail or whatever or whatever jail it is i'm this many miles away and then when we get there when we pull up in the parking lot we'll call them be like hey this is so-and-so need you to log my time and mileage and then if there's ever any story i've heard stories about a guy he went somewhere on an airplane to get a girl and and he got her and she flew back and everything was good and the minute they got back she hollered up and like he had to fight the that off. You can get so many accusations you have to fight off. I had been looking for this guy one time. And so when we first got started, we got handed a lot of crappy files from people. There was another bonding company, and he was going out of business. And this guy's dad had been a

bail bondsman, and he got into it. And then he'd done some vending machine business. Well, he was letting this other guy just go write bonds. He's like, man, just go write bonds. A lot of the sheriff didn't keep up with it. You could write whatever you wanted. Just take the money. And you might have a Forfeiture here, there. You have to pay if they forfeit it. And so this guy, man, sometimes we were lucky if we got a napkin from a bar with a name and a part of a social security number on it. Like, that's the type of paperwork we were giving it. It didn't hardly have nothing. Right. So we had to get real good at finding people off very little information.

Do you have like a, what is the Lexus Nexus? We use that and IRB and TLO and DevPoint and different things we use. But when you're first starting out. That's got to be good stuff, though. That's got to tell you. It's just all kinds of stuff. It is. But when you're first starting out, it's hard to get those products because they're like,

you're just a bell recovery agent. We don't know who you are, like this and that. Well, even then, sometimes it's probably just too much. Like, I'll bet you these guys got all kinds of addresses. Right. How many addresses can you track? They do. And that was one of the things about staying up all weekend is sometimes you have to trace

them all. And you would run down a list of old addresses. There was a time when we were running down a list of these old addresses. And we had already been to this house and we couldn't find the people. And we went to another house. And we were there. We're like, we're looking for this girl. And they're like, well, we don't know.

And the guy come out in the yard. He's like, I don't know. I ain't seen her. Well, he had this little pit bull puff running around. And it had on this little orange collar. And so we're like, dang, we can't find this girl. We're like, well, let's just go back and check this other address. You know, we were there at two in the morning and nobody answered the door.

I don't blame them. Let's go back there under daylight. We pulled up in the driveway. There were still no cars there. But when I looked, there was a little pit bull puppy running around in the yard with an orange collar. And I'm like, that's the same dog. It was at the other house from the people that didn't know her. Right.

Knock on the door, and there she is. Turns out this was her ex-boyfriend's grandma's house. She had made really good friends with her ex-boyfriend's grandma. Grandma was in hospital, and grandma sent her over there to get her some pajamas. And like if we wouldn't have just went back, we would have never known. But this was an address that was like she had lived in eight years ago. It wasn't nothing new, but you just have to, you can't leave any stone unturn. You have to beat the streets, as we say, and get out there and find them and go back and go back and go back.

And a lot of times you just aggravate the people in nothing. to where they're like, okay, she's over here, go away, especially if they're doing things they shouldn't be doing out there. Right. They'll be like, we'll be like heat. Right, exactly. They're going to be coming, and there's going to be other people coming, and it ain't going to be us.

And you just never know what's going to happen. We were looking for somebody for that guy he didn't have very much information on, and it was only like a $3,500 bond, and I tracked this guy down to Newport News, Virginia. And I had a letter from the jail saying that he needed to seek mental help when he got out. And the mental health lady had wrote that the guy had stated that he had been, he was being held prisoner. He was writing this letter to his family. He didn't want his family to pay the ransom. He wanted to be a martyr and all this different stuff. Well, he ended up bonded

out and going back to Virginia and didn't come to court. Well, his file came across. And normally it pays 10%. So if it's a $5,000 bond or something, you're going to make 500 bucks. If it's out of state, it's 20%. So obviously this guy had run to Virginia, it was only a $3,500 bond. But instead of paying $3.50, it was going to pay $700. But the bondsman I've done this for, he was trying to close up shop pretty much. So he's like, look, I'm going to have to pay $3,500. Get this guy back.

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He's living at home on a trust fund. He don't ever leave the house hardly. And I can pick him up at any time. I said, okay, I said, I've got something to do. I'm going to call you tomorrow afternoon. So I went to, I got up and got some guys with me and I went to High Point, North Carolina, and I was looking for another guy. I'd went in like two or three houses, people sleeping on floors and everything else.

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Put him in a van and I called her up. I said, hey, I said, can you go get the guy? She says, yeah. I said, okay, I'm in High Point, North Carolina. Meet me at the Virginia State line with him. So she goes over there She goes to get the guy And he won't answer the door

She kicks the door in Of course she had already called the police And let him know where she was Who she was And she kicks the door in The guy's butt-necked laying on a couch Talking to his brother on the phone His brother hears all the commotion going on

So his brother hangs up and calls 911 So they finally get this guy To get some clothes on and stuff And get into where he's halfway in his right mind And they can read some books And he's got this bag of books And by the time they walk outside The police pull up

And like what's going on them. They told the police what was going on, showed them the paperwork. Police were like, okay, yeah, take him. Everything's up and up and up. So she meets me at the Virginia State line with him, and he wouldn't get out of her car. And you can tell he's just certifiably crazy. So he finally gets out of the car and he just flops down on the pavement. And I said, dude, you've got to get up. We're putting you in the back of this minivan. I've got this other guy in here with me. I've got three of us, and then I've got the guy I got

from High Point, and I'm trying to get this other guy. He won't stand up and walk. We're just having to drag him. Well, he finally rolls over to the back of the van, and he's like, I've got to go to the pee really bad. I'm like, well, okay, so I thought at this point he's going to stand up and go to the bathroom. No, he just whips it out and lays there on his side and peas on the pavement. Still wouldn't get in the van, so we just have to pick him up and put him in the van. So we get going down the road with him in the van, and he's handcuffed and he's in the back,

and he's leaning over the windows that cars coming by, and he's, we got him cuffed in the front, trying to be nice to him, so he starts signaling him, call 9-1-1, telling the cars with his hands. And we're like, dude, stop. Just stop that. Like, we're like, God dang, here we are in another state. We're like rolling through South Carolina somewhere at this time. A couple of the guys handcuffed in my car. Yeah, so it's like, you never know when people think, well, they've kidnapped somebody.

So we end up taking in handcuffing, I had leg irons on him as well. I handcuffed his handcuffs to the leg irons where his hands were down here, where he couldn't do it. So this guy starts breathing on the window, and he puts his nose up there and he writes 911 with his nose. and we're like, Jesus Christ, this guy's like, he's like, I don't know who y'all are, y'all've come and kidnapped me, I don't know who you are. I've never been to Georgia, and I'm like, well, right here's your picture, a full picture, and right here's your warrant, here's your signature, and he goes, that's not me. And so the other guy got in the back, he's just an old drunk, basically, from a house. I'm like, does this look like him? He goes, looks like him to me boss, and I'm like, yeah, that's him. Like, we know it's him. And so we finally get him all the way back.

When he's back there, he's jiggling his handcuffs, and he's like, I'm going to break out and stuff. And we're like, if he gets out, and the guy I'm doing a recovery for calls me, and he's like, what's going on? I'm like, well, we've got him. And he says he can break out of these handcuffs, and he's back here, wiggling and jiggling. And I've made him a deal. If he can get out of at least one set of the three, then I'm going to let him go. And the guy's like, so he's, he's, in his mind, he's all excited.

He thinks he's going to get out. So he's calm down now because he knows if he can get out of one set. I'm going to take the rest off and let him go. But he never could get out. Okay. I was going to say, but he had found, he had found, like, some old stuff in the back of the van, like some screws or tools, and he was, he was back there trying. But he couldn't get out, so we get over to the jail with him.

Again, he won't get out of the van. We get him out, he just, poof, on the ground. So normally we go through the front. We don't always go through the back. Certain jails wants to go through the back, certain through the front. So Charlie walks in there and tells him, says, hey, look, I've got one out here. He's combative. He's not going to walk.

I've got the men to drag him in here like a sack of potatoes if that's what you want. want me to do and they're like bring him to the sally port so this particular jail don't normally want us to pull around with the sally port so they did so we start unloading weapons and stuff and uh the guy won't get back in the van so we have to pick him up and throw him back in the van so we pull around to the sally port and when we pull in there and both the big doors closed another door opens and like six deputies walk out with tasers and the first guy got from high point steps out of the van and they all drawed on with tasers he's like whoa whoa whoa and uh they're like well yeah we hear you're being combative he goes it ain't me it's that crazy i so be in the van he goes

whatever you do just don't put me with him and uh so finally they get him out and he's not walking and they hold him in they're having to hold him up strip search him and they told me they had to put him in a padded room for like seven days before they could put him in gym pop to get him to calm down and get his med straight and stuff so that was the last i'd heard about it well um statute of limitations is like two years to sue somebody for something like that so like two weeks before it's up I'm like, get this phone call, I'm standing out in my backyard. And I get this phone call, and it's this process server. He's been trying to serve me and finally tracked me down.

And I done had a couple of weird calls, so I kind of blew him off. And it was this guy that he had been trying to track me down. And he was serving me with a lawsuit from this guy. This guy sued me for $12.5 million. Yeah, sued me, sued my partner, sued anybody that he knew to name, which was the lady who worked in the office, who all she did was send the information over to the lady in Virginia. for me, sued my buddy's bonding company that he owned and sued the bonding company that I was

working for doing the recovery for and named all these people in companies, but it wasn't quite right, like the company name was like Circle CWC, and they had it as like Circle Bell Bonds or something. So things just weren't quite right, and they served us with this big lawsuit, and so we had an attorney answer it from Georgia. We were under the assumption if you're going to sue us and we're going to sue us. That's the way we assume the law was and we were told, but I don't know. But so we had an attorney from here, draw something up and send it up there. And the judge up there told our attorney here that he was going to basically have him disbarred for trying to practice law in a state where he's not licensed. So we turned like, what? Like, you got to come

here to sue us. Like, what the heck? So we end up having to hire an attorney up there. And they get to talking to the guy and he's like, well, we've talked to him. And he says instead of 12.5 million, if y'all all give 300,000 a piece, he'll sew it. He'll sell it. He's being so reasonable. Right, right. And what he was assuming was that we wrote under insurance like the other states. Right. Because if you got the lady recovery agent, me, my buddy, two other bonding companies and a secretary of all these people, they think, okay, well, all these people will probably give me $300,000 to go away because it's cheaper than the insurance companies are going to be out there playing golf and going to go, we've got these big lawsuits.

Like, let's just settle with him. It's going to be cheaper than court and all the attorney's fees. So that's what he was hoping for. Yeah. And we're like, no, we've done nothing. wrong? You don't get crap. Sorry. And so he kept coming back. And he got it down to like 50,000 apiece. And then it was like 10,000 a piece. And finally my buddy told the other attorney were riding up the road on a speakerphone. He says, look, I don't know if you understand the way

the way we work. He says, we've done nothing wrong. He's got all this crap name wrong. All this needs to be changed. And we're not admitting to crap. And we're not paying him anything. We've done nothing wrong. He was trying to say that we kidnapped him. We did not call the police. He did not know who we were. And we brought him back against his will. He had never been to Georgia. He was trying to say that I went into a state where I was not licensed and done a recovery where I wasn't a licensed Virginia recovery agent, which I had already checked the laws. The law stated that if you're from Virginia, you've got to be a licensed Virginia recovery agent. But since I was from Georgia, I didn't have to be. I could go in there. But I went above and

beyond and hired a licensed Virginia recovery agent. I didn't even go into the state. I never meet me at the state line. Like, I'm always real careful covering my butt. Right. So this went back and forth and back and forth until finally we told him, look, you're not getting anything. And he had to rescind his lawsuit.

And then they said, well, he's got six months to put it back in. He never did. Okay. So we got lucky and got out of it. But that's kind of found out all he did was he found some ambulance chaser attorney and says, I want you to sue these guys, here's five grand, file this lawsuit. Right. So anybody can sue you for anything in this, but you've got to fight it off.

And, like, it costs way more than $5,000 to fight it off. So, and there was some other guys with me that they don't necessarily, haven't worked with me in years, and they may not even know what happened because they had already been quit working with me two years after that happened. A lot of guys get into this and they don't do it very long, or maybe they're not cut out for it, or they do something. On that same trip, I had a guy, he had, for some reason, we were in South Carolina, And at the point, South Carolina didn't have a reprosity with a weapons permit from Georgia and stuff.

So basically, you don't want to call attention to yourself. So when he went in the gas station to go get a drink, he took his pistol off and he laid it in the van floor. And there was a guy in handcuffs sitting next to where he laid his pistol. And I saw it, and I grabbed the pistol and I put it in the glove box. And the guy was so goofy, when he got in the van, he never even masked about his pistol all the way home to Georgia. So he didn't work with us anymore after that day. I was going to say, that's that. Like, I never threw him under the bus and named him in a lawsuit either, because I wasn't one naming anybody, but I never said, well, why didn't you name this guy or this guy?

Because I had two other guys with me. No matter of fact, my partner that got named in the lawsuit wasn't even there. He was in Georgia. He was on the phone with me going, yeah, okay, let me know when you get him back and I'll meet you at the jail or whatever. But his name was on the paperwork is all it was, because when we finally got the guy in the jail, we're trying to wash up and everything. And somebody has to sign the paperwork. And he's like, man, I'll sign the paperwork. So his name was on the paperwork.

So they looped him in with it, even though he wasn't even there. he was just showing up helping us out get the guy to the jail because the guy was being competitive so you just never know what kind of stuff you're going to run into I went to New York one time

and got a lady on it was another $3,500 bond something small bad check she kept lying saying she was still in Georgia and I'm standing outside her empty trailer and she's like yeah I'm still there

and this and that I'm like okay I'm at home right now I'm in a trailer so I'm like okay well no problem just call us on Monday we'll work this out

well I attracted her to New York and um how did you track her in new york uh facebook man people people are stupid they put everything on social media you can't you can't hide i catch i've got i've got two fake facebook accounts that i've had since 2008 probably and i don't know how many friends they have and people will wish them happy birthdays and some people will say man that was a great party and i'm like yeah great party and like i don't know who they are what they're talking about they're just fake accounts but you get all these friends and friends friend and friends and then you just you can see stuff like if i look you up i may not be able to see what's going on your page but

for friends, I can. And then I may look, you may have it where I can see your friends and I'll be like, well, who's his friend? Well, wait a minute, why is he friends with this guy? And then you just kind of start putting the puzzle together.

So found her in New York and I called up there to a bail bondsman and said, hey man, she was in Elmira in New York, which is right across the state line from Pennsylvania. There's a big prison up there and stuff in Elmira.

And so I called a guy and he happened to be a bail bondsman, but he goes, man, what I do during the day? I said what? He goes, I'm a mechanic for the city of Elmira police. I said, really? He goes, yeah, I'm a bell bondsman.

So, well, she's there. He goes, okay, he goes, let me know what you want me to do. And I said, just ride over there and see if you see if it has a Georgia plate on it. So he calls me back. He said, yeah, man, the car's there. They're going, and I've done watching it, and they're here this hours and this hours. So me and my partner, and we take his wife with us, and we're going to ride up there. So we drive straight through, and we get to Pennsylvania.

We stop and get a motel just long enough for all three of us to go in and, like, take a cat nap and get a shower. And then we go up there and we find, we call him. We're like, hey, man, we're here. want to meet with us. He said, yeah. So we had him go to the house with us and found her and got her. And the reason they had went to New York was she said, so she was gay. She had a female partner. Her female partner had what she said was gender dysphoria. She thought she should be a man. Well, in New York, they would pay for half of her sex change. So she went up there, and then if they got in any trouble, they could run back to Pennsylvania and seek sovereignty in the

Catholic Church, they said, and that would protect them if they got in any trouble. So that's why they live so close to the state line and stuff. I don't think that's true, but... Yeah, yeah. So they had all kinds of stories. I don't think it's true either, but... So basically, she was getting a government check because she said she was disabled. Her partner was getting a government check for gender dysphoria.

Wow. So New York gave them a check for that, and they had two or three kids who they claimed had autism. But when I got there, the kids were running around in the yard and in the street and the two women were in the house and whatever. They were living better than I was. making more money than me off all these checks. I'm like, what the hell? So we get her, and we bring her back, and then we get coming down the road,

and we have to stop at a gas station, and she's got to use the bathroom, and we're like, man, we're glad we got Christy with us. So Christy takes this little girl to the bathroom, and God, poor Christy. She said, when this girl went in the stall and went to use the bathroom, she said she stunk so bad.

Just her personal self, she says, man. And she said, the girl started begging her right away. Please let me go from these guys. Just please let me. me go. Don't say nothing, but let me go. Well, she comes back out to the vehicle, and his wife just looks pissed. And we're like, why she looks so mad? We get going down the road, we drive a few hundred more miles, and we feed her and get her food and whatever. And then she's got to go to the bathroom again, and Christy comes back, and she's just mad. And we didn't know why, and we got a picture

of her standing outside the jail. When we got back to Georgia, and she looks all mad, and we walk out in the truck. She says, you two, she says, y'all have no idea how bad it stuck. Every time I took her to the bathroom, she goes, that's the nastiest woman. Something's wrong. wrong with her. So it was just crazy. Like, you just run into a lot of crazy stuff. You just never know. The horrible story.

The horrible story. Yeah. Whenever I watch TikTok's stuff of these, of the cops, and it's, I know it's because they got body cameras now. Like, the people, they'll let these people bullshit lie and, and argue with them. And you ain't touching me. Get away from me. And I'm thinking to myself, man, if that camera wasn't on these guys, like, I'm

20, 30 seconds into this argument of, hey, look, you've got to get out of the car, or yes, you were speeding, or what are you doing? Give me your license. Like, listen, I'm already thinking, pull your taser out. Just tase this person. Like, what are you doing? And I'm sitting here thinking, tase them. And they're still talking about two minutes before they finally, the person gets so erratic or swings on it or tries to run. And then they tackle them.

And I'm like, to me, if I had a taser, as soon as they started getting, be an asshole. The minute they get out of hand, we get it under. control and we get out. We like to get in and get out. Right. So like if we pull in somewhere and we get our guy, I'm not standing around for 15 minutes. I don't have to do paperwork.

I don't have to interview people. I'm getting our guy and we're gone. We're throwing him in a truck and we're gone. Yeah. We had one a few weeks ago, we pulled in this house. We had a guy I was looking for. And, of course, social media, friended him up on Facebook. And that was it.

friending him up just so I could see if he accepted my request so I could see his friends and see if he had posted where he was. I knew he was somewhere around Toccoa, Georgia. And we'd done run the streets looking for him. We were talking to all the streetwalkers and everything else. They were trying to figure out where he was. People knew him, but they're like, well, I don't want to say nothing about it. And out of the blue, I get this message, a Facebook message. The guy messes me, he's like, oh, yo fam. He says, I need some money. I don't have any money. I'm on the street up here. And I'm on the run. Like, I need some help, yo. And I'm like, And we were down in Shambly.

We had been to Shambly and just had got somebody out of a hotel and took them back to Gwinnett County Joe, and I'm telling the two guys with me. And I'm like, man, this guy just messaged me on the blue. I'm like, they're like, you didn't messes him? I'm like, I friended him up and that's it. So he messages my fake account. And any time I go out, I'm logged into those accounts. That way I can use them.

So I messaged him back and I'm like, man, I said, I'm not too far away. I told him I was from the town he was from, which was like one town over. And I said, I can spare you a little money. That's not a problem. he's like oh man that's great and I said well are you on the street you know like I can meet you meet you at a convenience store or something he's like he's like no man I'm not on the streets I'm over at this house and I'm like okay so I didn't want to ask for the address so I's like okay I'll be through there in a little bit he's like all right bet so a little while later he messaged

me back he's like hey man I'm over here whatever 727 Dothan street or whatever I'm over here and I'm like okay I said it'll be a little while before I get there I mean because I was like an hour and a half away and I was like be a little while for I get there and he's like okay cool he's like do you have any cream and I'm like yeah man I got some I got some you got some party girls over there he's like oh yeah man I got some girls come on up and I said cool I'm gonna be there so

we got up to to Coa and we're looking for him and we're like his I noticed he kept like he couldn't answer at some point some he could so I'm figuring he's walking around trying to get Wi-Fi because a lot of these people their phones are only working on Wi-Fi right so we get up there and we look down the road at the house and there's like four guys standing out front and we're like

yeah man like if we roll up in there It's going to be gone. We're like riding around the back street. We're like, he can jump out the back and run through the woods and run to this other street, and he's gone. There's only three of us. We need one more. So we're trying to figure it out.

We keep riding, and we ride around. We see the local PD, and we tell them what's going on and stuff. And they're like, yeah, we don't know him, but good luck. So we get down there and we're like, screw it, we're going to do it. So we just pull up in the yard when we do the front yard's fenced off. And we pull up. John jumps out of the back of the truck, and he runs all the way up and runs around to go in the gate of the fence.

Charlie runs around the back door, which come to find out as the door they were using, because they were driving an under driveway and coming into back into the kitchen. Well, I jump over the fence, my foot slips, and I just fall straight on my back. Bam! Jump right back up, luckily. I'm still the first one of the door, and I seen the guy running around the corner. So we just bust in this house because we see our guy in there, and we end up getting him, and I got him handcuffed, and I'm already back to the truck,

and I'm calling him a radio. I'm like, we're 1095, let's roll. And Charlie comes out the front, he's telling the guy, yeah, don't be afraid of your bondsman, so he's not even figuring out. that I've done got the guy and got him in cuffs, he's thinking that one of them's done told me he's down the street. Right.

And I'm like, Charlie, let's go, let's go. So he's coming and John's getting in a truck. He's like, oh, hell, you already got him. I'm like, yeah. So this guy just out of the blue just messages me. You just never know how you're going to catch him. He just assumed he knew you somehow. He just assumed he knew me, I guess,

and he was just desperate or maybe the drugs were talking. I'm not sure. Told me right where he was. With these face Facebooks, like, do you have any certain type of strategy Like, do you have a male and a female one? I got a male and a female. I don't post a lot of pictures, a lot of it's old.

They'll interact with each other sometimes, but not very often. But they've just created them a long time ago, and they've just got all these fake stuff. Like lots and lots of friends. I'm not saying, half the credibility. If you see someone has been on Facebook since 2012, 8 or whatever, it's like, okay. Yeah, and you always keep two, three, four of these accounts in case something does happen.

But luckily, I've been able to keep the same ones because I don't tell nobody who, I don't tell my friend, oh, I got a fake one in his name this. I don't tell nobody who it is. Right. Because I don't want them shut down. It's too much trouble to build all that back up from that many years ago. Once that it is, when there's a fake Facebook page, you can scroll on somebody and see, oh, just done it. They got like two things, and it shows created this or graduated high school or born or something.

Yeah. You can tell it's fake. So I had another guy, the same way we were looking for him and couldn't find him. And he was on a $27,000 bond. And I tracked him down for a couple of weekends looking for him And I finally figured out he was dating this girl He was a stripper So I was like, okay

And so we had went into We had went up on one weekend Me and Charlie and like three or four guys And we go into the strip club So we're in there waiting around the strip club And we're like looking for her and looking for him We never did find him and stuff We got talking to the bouncer and they're like

Yeah, yeah, I've seen him before His girlfriend does work here She's off tonight and don't know where she lives All I know is they said she don't live too far from here She just has got an apartment So that told me, okay, they just had got an apartment. Well, he was posting on social media, and he was posting pictures of, like, him standing in front of the pool,

like, look at me, my big shot, I got a pool, and I got this pit bull and stuff. Well, then he tried to say he was in Alabama. So we thought, well, maybe he did run to Alabama. So I called a guy I knew in Alabama, and I'm like, if he's in Alabama, he's at Grandmiles, can you go over there and check it out? So he went over there, and he says, he's not at Grandmiles. Well, the very next morning, the guy posted a picture of the pit bull sitting on a bed. well the pillows on the bed

match some photos from his girlfriend's Facebook page and I caught that I'm like he's with her right he's with her so then we started trying to figure out what apartment complex he's in in Atlanta

there's so many apartment complexes in Norcross where he was and I said I'm steadily rolling through pictures and I'm like okay he's got a dog he's at a pool I said okay so I start looking up apartments who are pet friendly where you can have pets and have a pool

and then once I narrow those down out of the list of however many there were I narrowed it down to so many and I'm writing it all down and I'm figuring it out I was going back through the pictures and I said, look at the pool tile look at the chairs at the pool

so I start looking at the different apartment complexes their online brochures and looking at their pools I found the apartment complex picture of the pool that had the same exact pool tile is in his picture or you're also taking the consideration

close to the trip lot He was like three miles away yeah okay and found and I had like a 20 mile radius I was searching and one of those the snoops or the sluice from uh did you see the the thing uh documentary um don't

with cats yeah man that was amazing like they would take photos like they took like photos of or video posts of this guy who had a bunch of cats and stuff and he also murdered people but but but but and they they could track him down all the way to and they do this all the time someone will take a video of himself and you'll see the window at and you'll see the window outside and people will track down okay he's in London in this area you can see these buildings he has to be

in this building here's where he is looks like he's on the 10th floor I mean just all from like the guy doing a social media like hey I'm having a good time there's a guy in TikTok that people send him photos I can't remember his name I know exactly you're talking about all over the world and he just

poop poop boop boop boop find it like old photo from their parents back in 1970s and there's a lot of a lot of things like There's sometimes when people post photos, you can click on it, and sometimes it'll give you like a geotag location. Right. That doesn't happen very often, but there's people out there who a lot more technologically advanced than I am for sure that can do stuff like that.

I had a guy that helped us on a lot of stuff. He used to work for the FBI and stuff like that, and he's helped me out on some things, different ways of finding people. So track down the pool tiles, and finally I kept looking through the different brochures, and I'm like, it's this apartment complex. This is the only one that's pet-friendly, has a pool, has these same pool tiles, the chair. And the pool tiles I'm talking about were like second layer, like inside the pool.

So like the picture was just good enough where I could see inside the pool. That's what gave it away. So I knew the apartment complex. So we decided I was going to take a day off work. My buddy and me and so I took off work and we went up there on a Friday and we pulled in this apartment complex. And I'm in the office. I walk in the office. And I'm like, hey, look, got this guy I'm looking for her. I got a warrant for him. I said, I know he's in this apartment. I said, I want y'all to open the door for. I want you all to verify that if it's in his name was girlfriends. I didn't tell them. I didn't know which apartment it was. I was trying to bullshit him. So I'm like, I know he's in here. Y'all can save yourself a door because I'm

fixing to kick it in. So she's like, oh my God, let me look it up. So she starts going through stuff. My phone rings. That's my buddy in the parking lot. I'm like, what's up? He goes, man, he just walked outside. I said, what? He goes, yeah, he's outside. So I tell her, hold on a minute. So I'll go outside and I'm like, what's up? He goes, man, he's outside. He's walking that dog. So he walked around the back side of the building. And so we just go over there. How big is a dog? It's a puppy. Oh, cool. So no big deal. So my buddy went around one side, I went around the other, and we got the guy. He had no clue, and he's like, how the hell did y'all find me and all this stuff?

But I thought that's pretty good. I made like $2,700, and I had maybe six other hours in him other than that. Did you pick up a puppy, too? No, no, left the puppy with his girlfriend. She wasn't happy at all. She was raising hell that we had found them, and they're always trying to figure out how you found them or who told on them, and then they'll guess, oh, did so-and-so tell them? And you're just like, yeah, yeah, they told on you.

You told on you. Yeah, like they have no clue the stupid things they'll do. I've got a question as far as like the logistics of how. So at this time you're doing, are you doing it part time like on the side? Yes. So so what is it like are you kind of like researching during the week? You're kind of getting a little bit of leads and then you decide, okay, this week and me and my buddies are going to round up and we got leads on these three guys and we're driving for the night. All week long, I'm sitting at home and I'm searching social media and I'm searching the different databases and I'm just Googling and searching different things. You're just like a hobby.

Yeah. I mean, like I said, I love to hunt. And hunting people was just like there's nothing like it. They can get away from you, and they've got phones and cars, and you've got to get them. Are you married? I am. Boy, let me tell you, that's got to be, that's got to be a contentious. I'm a wife, too, so.

I'm on wife number two, so. Oh, okay. I was going to say, because I pick up my cell phone to check YouTube 60 times a day, and I get the, like, okay, just hold on, let me just. Yeah, I mean. it wasn't too bad she knew I hunted and fish a lot anyway a matter of fact when we got married they're like do you know you're marrying

she's like yeah and they're like he hunts and fishes all the time you're never going to see him just like I was going all the time so basically it's you're doing research all week long trying to find these people right you just you never know what you're going to run into so we had we had a guy in Winder Georgia one time we were looking

for and we went to his apartment and we had seen him go in and we were just kind of waiting for things to settle down and he never would answer the door. And we had, there was like, like I said, we had like me, Charlie, my brother Jody, another guy named Charlie. I had a guy named Doug Kilburn that worked with me a good bit. He was military. Another guy named Jason that helped us. A lot of different guys. Sometimes we'd have two carloads of people. So we would do our research. And like I said, we all loved to hunt for fun. Like this was, this was fun to us. It wasn't just a job. So even though we all had

daytime jobs, this was fun. And we took so many people back. There'd always be four or five of us. sometimes. And it was kind of funny. The people down at the jail would joke and say, oh, here comes the wolf pack. They're out all hours of the night hunting people down. So they called us the wolf pack. It was kind of funny. They were friendly people at the jail. And so we were trying to get this guy. And we had called the police department. We said, hey, look, he's not answering the door. We know he's there. And we wanted y'all to knock on the door. So they knock on the door and guys still won't come to the door. They said, well, that's it. Sorry, guys. We tried to help see y'all later.

And we're like, we're going in. And they're like, what? And we said, said, we're going to kick the door in. So he calls his sergeant or whatever, and he comes back. He says, the sergeant says, y'all kick it in, do what you got to do. See you later. We're going. They don't want to part of it. They don't want to be there.

So we kick the door in and we find the guy. When we find him, he's trying to act like he's sleeping, but he's not. And he's in his little bikini brief underwear. And we have a statement called, you ride like you hide. And when you're hiding like that, you go to jail like that. So after about 10 o'clock at the jail, they'll lock the doors. And so they'll open up, like, the first set, and you can walk in. and you have to hit a button and talk to somebody.

Yeah. So we've got this guy standing there in handcuffs and he's in his underwear and I bashed the button. It goes, beep. Somebody comes across and you can hear them. Yes, like that. They're laughing.

And the ladies at the jail thought we were punking them. Right. They literally thought we were playing a joke. I'm like, hey, this is Todd, and I'm here to turn a guy in. He's got warrants, and they're laughing coming across and they come out. It was just so funny because the guy was in his underwear.

But we've had to do multiple people like that for being combative or whatever or you just get to a point where you're in their dress and you're searching and searching and you finally find them and they're hiding a certain way or whatever and you're like screw it you snatch them you're gone right sometimes you might let them put shoes on but it just depends on the situation and who's around and what's going on should have thought about that right and we're in places everybody don't like us right they don't they don't want us there we're bad for them so I have a question you bring all these guys the wolf back like what are you paying these guys like I mean is is everybody share in what we collect pretty much or okay pretty much Everybody shares and what we collect. And like I said, normally we would do, I mean, I've got well over a thousand documented captures, well over. And I know some people may go, well, that sounds like a lot. Well, really, if you've done one a week for 10 years, that's 520, and I've been doing it almost 20 years. Right.

And we would go out on a weekend and we would catch, because a lot of, sometimes the people didn't have warrants. The way the bail bonds work is if somebody's not, if they didn't keep an updated address or they've moved or they've lied about their information under a contract, the bondsman may go, hey, I'm not filling this. They've lied. They're not checking in. They're not paying me. They're not doing this, that. I've sent multiple letters demanding my money and this.

I just need you to go get them. You got some bondsmen that are, I don't worry about it until they miss court. You got some bondsmen that get all worked up about it. And they're like, here's five files. Go get all five of them. They've pissed me off. Go get them. And you go catch all five of them.

And you're like, here they are. I want my check. And they're like, whoa, whoa. And they kind of, well, I didn't know you was going to get all five. And I'm like, yeah, this is what we do. Don't give me the files if you don't want us to catch them. Yeah. So we got a good reputation.

We had another guy out of Covington, Georgia, another bondsman. And he wanted me to do some recoveries, but he was tough to do for her because I had already been told that sometimes he didn't want to pay you after you done it. And so the first one I've done for him, I called him from the jail parking lot. I'm like, hey, I'm here. I've got your guy. Come on up and pay me. He's like, well, man, just go ahead and turn him in and I'll pay you tomorrow. I'm like, no, I said, I'm just going to tell you straight up.

That wasn't our agreement. I said, you come pay me or I'm fixing to let him go. So you're going to turn him loose out of handcuffs? I said, yep. and so he came and paid me but he would give you files where he had already sent two or three other bounty hunters out that couldn't find them

where he had already called them up and threatened them and harassed them and when you got... Now they're scared and they really they know you're looking. Right, right. So you always wound up with a lot of stuff like that so you wound up with some stuff that was so old

and hard to find or no information or people that somebody had already scared the hell out of them when you were trying to track them down. It was just you never knew exactly what you were going to run into. We've had times where we've had somebody on bond

and the U.S. Marshals or somebody's called and we're like, hey, we're looking for so-and-so. You're like, do you have any information? Last week I had one call me. Hey, I'm looking for so-and-so. Do you have any information on him? And so I've been working with the marshal

trying to track this other guy down. So what happened if the marshal gets him? They take him on, and usually wherever they take him, I can call my whatever jail where the bond is and say, hey, look, here's the deal. We were on him. U.S. Marshal's got him. They have him custody here.

Can you place a hold on him and allow the bondsmen to get off the bond and they'll usually allow you off the bond. And then you get paid. We get paid, and then whenever they're done with the Fed time or whatever or whatever they're there for, if the county decides they want to mess with it, they'll transport them back. But long as the bondsman gets off the bond and gets what we call the pink copy,

it's normally a pink sheet of paper. Sometimes it's white or whatever. But as long as you get the bondsman, that bondsman off bond for him, you're getting paid. Okay. That's the main thing, and that relieves him with that liability on that bond. But we had one guy, his mom was trying to hide him real bad and stuff. And he had an ankle monitor on, so we knew exactly where he was. But the marshals got to his house looking for him, and they said they couldn't find him, this and that.

I said, look, his monitor's there. He's there. Mom is hiding him. And he was up in the attic hiding in the insulation. Oh, that's horrible. Yeah, yeah. And come to find out, the deputies called me back. And there was already a lot of weird stuff going on.

Stepdad didn't know quite why mom was hiding the kid and stuff like that and taking up for him. Come to find out, they kind of had, mom and the kid had some type of strange relationship going on. Okay. And so that was a weird situation. But they were able to finally drag him out of the attic and get him and take him to the jail because she kept hiding him. You typically, you obviously know what these guys were arrested for, right? Yeah, we have their bond paperwork so we know. So obviously if they, I mean, the funny thing is a lot of them that have weapons charges or bad aggravated assault charges and things,

a lot of times they're the easiest ones to go. It'll be some little shoplifter or something like that that'll have a gun or something that you got to worry about. And a lot of the people you go after are on drugs, but a lot of those that you don't even worry about guns. because a lot of them have already had to sell it because they're doing the drugs. So they've sold their gun to get more drugs, unless you're just going after that high-level person. Right. For years, we didn't even wear Bulletproof vests.

And then finally, we ended up buying like some Georgia State Patrol takeoff fest that they had sold to like a surplus store, a gun store, and we bought them from them. Do you have body cameras? Back then, we didn't even wear body cameras a whole lot. We do now. In the vest, we wear a lot more elaborate now. it's like a level 3A vest and also with like a one-inch ceramic plate so it'll stop rifle rounds and stuff.

But to be honest, the most people we've caught have just been wearing street clothes, man. You just walk right up on them. I've been to, so one time I had a guy I was looking for and I knew he ran heavy equipment. I knew the company he worked for, but trying to, it was like a mom and pop heavy equipment company that ran out of their house, but they had a good bit of equipment. Right. But it ain't like you could just call over there during the day and say, hey, I need Bob. When's Bob going to be there?

Because Bob's out working on a job site. Yeah, yeah. And if you call, they know something's up, and if they tell him, somebody called for you. People know they when they have a warrant. So I basically called up and said, hey, I hear y'all are hiring. He goes, yeah. And I said, okay, he goes, what can you run? I said, man, I'd run a bulldozer.

I'd run a pan. I don't run anything you want, an excavator. I can do it all. He's like, really? I need somebody like you. I said, okay, what do I do? I need a job. He goes, well, I've got two job sites right now.

That's all I got going on. He goes, you can go to either one and talk to my foreman and you can try out. If you can run that equipment, I'll hire you tomorrow. I said, great. So he told me where the two job sites were. The first one I went to there was the guys Ford Taurus sitting there was looking for. So then I just went straight up to the fore and went, hey, man, I didn't even tell him I was the guy about the job. I just said, hey, I need to see Bob.

When he's down there on that piece of equipment, I said, okay. So they called him on a radio and the guy comes up, jumps off the equipment. He's like, what's up? We're standing there and playing clothes like, you're going to jail, buddy. So got him on his job. Had no clue we were there. Have we been vested up and everything else? He wouldn't have drove his equipment up there.

He would have run in the woods or whatever. And we'd have been trying to run through some construction site. Is that happening sometimes? You walk up and you say, hey, look, we're here to do the server warm. And they probably bolt. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

All the time. Right. And you're trying to tackle them or tase them or something. You can't shoot them. So, but we had another guy. I went to a job orientation. You said you can't shoot them. Those pesky laws.

Went to a job orientation at Harrison Poultry one time to go get hired on. because the guy I was looking for, I knew he was going to orientation. So I didn't even fill out the job application, but I just showed up for orientation. And went in there and sat next to the guy, and I was like, man, this looks just like him. It's got to be him. And then finally, he pulled his sleeve up and done that, and I seen the tattoo. He had like a heart or something, and I've seen it. And I'm like, this is him.

So finally, I just handcuffed him and took him out of job orientation, but he had no clue. Do you tell him, or you just suddenly you hit him with the handcuff and as he's going, hey, what's going on? Well, he stood up, and I'm like, man, I'm your bondsman. You got a warrant. You need to turn around. put your hands behind your back. One of the first recoveries I'd done years and years ago, I remember it was super easy.

I was like, this is fun, and if I'm going to get paid for it even better, you know, it was like going on a hunting trip. My buddy's like, we're going to go get this kid. He works at the subway. I mean, there was nothing to it, man. We pull up. One guy goes out back. One guy goes in the front, and the other one sits in the truck in case he goes

somewhere else, and like, we just walk into the subway, get the sandwich artist and take him out the back door and put him in the truck and gone. I made like $300 in 10 minutes. I was like, man, this is great. This is easy money But I mean You've had other times

Where I had a guy at Shane's Ripshack One time we were looking forward And we went in and didn't see him anywhere We didn't know he was a cook We were told he was a hostess or something We didn't see him anywhere And we're like well we're hungry Let's eat lunch

Well then the guy walks out And checks to see if our food's okay It's our guy So we finish eating our stuff And then we tell him look We want to thank the cook He comes back out We put him in handcuffs and take him to jail

A few A few months ago We were at, it's been longer than that, I guess. We were in Duluth, Georgia, somewhere, and we were looking for a guy we knew he worked at the Waffle House. We went in there and he wouldn't work, and we showed his picture. And the guy's like, I don't know, maybe he works on another shift. I'm not sure. We had no clue what Waffle House he worked at, one of the three around there.

I love Waffle House, by the way. Yeah. Sorry. But I also have seen a lot of Waffle House employees, and I feel like a lot of them skip out on Bond. There's a lot of bond activity in Waffle House. Yeah. So we went back up to the Waffle House, and we looked, and it was filled with Indians. They had had an Indian concert up there at one of the places, and so it was full of Indians.

So we look in there, and I said, there's our guy right there, and my buddy said, I don't think that's him. His hair's grown out. I think that's him. And I said, hey, me the binoculars. We're sitting out in the parking lot, so we just look with binoculars, and his name's right on his name tag. I'm like, that's him. So we send one guy to the back door, and Casey does try to run, and we go in, and, And we get him and handcuff him, and then all the Indians, they're in there.

They had never seen nothing like this. Probably they're in there filming. We're probably on YouTube somewhere right now. They're in there filming, not trying to figure out what's going on. Then we had to take their Waffle House cook away from them. So we've got multiple people at their jobs. You just never know where you're going to find them. Hospitals.

I've had to get them out of hospitals before. You find out, you're like, so-and-so's here. And his mom's like, well, he's in the hospital, so he can't go to jail. And you go to the hospital and you're like, hey, I'm here for so-and-so. And they're like, you are. and they're like, yeah, and they're like, he's a pain in our ass. And I'm going to talk to the doctor for you, and they go talk to the doctor, and they go, hey, our doctor said he's such a pain, we're going to discharge him to you.

And so you just take them, take them on to jail. They'll release them with paperwork, and you take them on the jail. I had another one, a lady had told me she had cancer, and we've been tracking her for a while, and she was motel to motel to motel, and she had all these addresses when you pull up, and a lot of these addresses are hotels where they're living in extended stays. So I finally talked her into turning herself in. and she's supposed to have a ride to the jail and bring her papers showing she had cancer

and she's in this wheelchair and stuff now. She shows up. She didn't bring none of her paperwork. And then she shows up after 5 o'clock when all the admins have gone home. So we roll her in there and everything. And then I look, and she's still sitting there like a month later because she didn't take none of her paperwork.

And then she had charge it. She had holds in all these other places where she had done all these other crimes. She thought she was going to roll in there and be able to say, I've got cancer. I want out. They're going to let her out more than likely. They would O.R for health reasons.

because the county doesn't want to pay for that. Yeah, no. And that's just stupid not to, it's stupid to show up without the paperwork and think they're going to take your word for it. Right, right. And I think her family probably brought it, but she has holds for all these other places where she's done all these other crimes. And now she's just sitting there.

So they'll let you die. Yeah. I was also a private investigator for a time, too. We opened up a PI company. That was kind of boring. I didn't really like just sitting there and spying on people and stuff. It wouldn't really my thing. But it was pretty neat.

we had a we had a guy he told us his son had been arrested for arson and he wanted us to look into it because he was fixing to be doing 30 years for arson oh yeah people don't realize like how serious the chart they don't have a so he wanted us to look into it so we decided we would look into the case for him and we went to the house where the house was burnt the house wasn't burnt the shop was burnt and the funny thing about it was was the fire chief who was the fire chief at the time didn't think it was arson he didn't write it up as arson the insurance company he had already paid the claim. They didn't say it was arson. They already gave the lady the check.

But the deputies in the county, it was actually the city, was going to charge this kid with arson. And what had happened is they had knew that he had a drug problem. And when they showed up, he was acting kind of funny. And he answered some questions and stuff, and then they ended up interviewing him,

and I think he might have got his stories crossed up a little bit. But what it boiled down to, basically, was the kid was on some drugs and stuff, but he had a vehicle in his shop, his buddy had gave him, and he had done a title pawn on it, and it broke down. And his buddy called him and says, look, man, we're on the side of the road. If you come get us, you can have this freaking Tahoe.

You can have this Chevrolet Tahoe. He says, do whatever you want with it. Part it out. I've got a title pawn on it. Transmissions went out. It ain't worth fixing. So he was in his shop stripping this vehicle down, punched a hole in the gas, train the gas and all that stuff, fumes in the shop.

Well, then he's cutting on it, like cutting parts off of it. It catches his shop on fire. well he gets a fire extinguisher and puts it out to the best of his ability thought it was all put out and he's good well in his mind he's going to go to the hardware store and get some more fire extinguishers so he goes to the hardware store and then he goes to the bank to get some money out

or put some money in the bank or something in his neighbor calls and says hey man there's smoke coming from your shop you shops on fire he's like no no it's good I just put it out earlier I just got some more fire extinguishers I'm up at the bank I'm going to be on my way there and he says he pulls into the bank he pulls out of the drive-thru and he looks up and he said he could see the smoke.

Right. So by the time he got to his house, his neighbor went ahead and called the fire department anyway. And they come out there and put it out, the cop talked to him and stuff, and they ended up arrested him. And all these charges come about was we get to investigating it. Come to find out, we start talking to neighbors and other people, and we go to the 911 to get the 911 report. And come to find out, was nowhere in the police report did it mention that the guy, the neighbor had already had to call the fire department back out there again. The fire had got up again. So this guy couldn't get it out with his fire extinct.

fire department had to come twice but yet they're still trying to claim arson on this kid and come to find out what the reason the kid didn't want to tell the whole story is because he was afraid the title phone company had reported that vehicle stolen so he didn't want to get caught with the stolen vehicle vehicle. Well I'd rather get a stolen vehicle charge than an arson charge. Well the vehicle never was reported stolen so he was good there but they had him on arson at this point so we get ready to go um I talked to the fire chief and stuff he tells me no I think it was arson this and that. We get the paperwork from 911

saying where somebody's been out there and we decide we're going to go talk to the officer that done it. And I've got him on recording. The very first thing the guy says is, this is my very first arson investigation. I've never done one before. And I'm like, all righty.

And then so he starts talking for a minute and the next thing somebody's knocking on his window is his boss calls him out of there. He comes back in and says, she's not going to let me talk to you all anymore. But we found out enough information that between that they had done

tried to come put it out. They didn't have nothing saying it was arson. Insurance didn't think it was arson that we got this guy's charges drop for him. Nice. And he was looking at 30 years. So it was kind of neat to help out on that investigation stuff, even though the PI thing wasn't really my world. You just, like I said, you just never know what you're going to run into out there.

It was all because of a drug problem he had that they were trying to pin the arson on him. Yeah, I knew a guy. I met a couple guys, but I knew a guy who got 15 years for arson. Wow. For a burning up a, I don't know if it was a rental property or something. It was something of his that he set on fire to get the insurance money. He got 15 years. Wow.

Like that's never been in trouble before or nothing. That's a long time to do. Yeah. You done how many years? Almost 13. Almost 13. Damn. We had a guy one time.

He ran to California. And it was for that same bondsman that had some files that weren't the great. and he said, look, it's only a $5,000 bond. He goes, anything I save is money saved because I'm going to have to pay them five. I said, man, I've tracked him down. He's in California, Mitchell. It's not going to be cheap to get him back. He says, I don't care if it's cheaper than $5,000.

I want him. So we said, okay. So I had him tracked down to an area out there, and I called and found a recovery agent out there. And he says, yeah, I know where he is. He's where you said he was. I can get him if you want. And I said, okay, I'm going to put two guys on a plane and fly him out there.

and you go ahead and get him and hold him. So he got the guy and held him. We flew two guys out there. My two guys got out there, and they picked him up, put him in a rental vehicle, and started driving back. The guy starts going through... Which are all?

Which are all? And that's one of the reasons people will fight us a lot of times is they don't want to go to jail or they run in high because that sickness is so bad they say that they don't want to miss them. They don't want to have to have that sickness. Right. So they do everything to keep from running. I've got multiple people that are like

Oh God, I don't want to go I'm going to be so sick What am I going to do? I'd rather just be dead Just That sickness just Keeps them on the run Right

So this guy starts Which are all on the way back And This guy, Doug That I had helping He calls me And he says, man I was a medic in the army

Todd He said this guy's bad off He said I don't know about this And I said He'll be okay Just keep on his bottles And everything will be fine Just keep driving

So he's driving And driving and driving And a little while later, a couple hours later, I get another call, and it's Doug. And I says, what's going on? He says, man, this is bad. This is bad. And Doug was freaking out. He said, it's real bad.

He goes, man, I don't know about this guy. He goes, I don't know if he's going to make it. We've got to go to a hospital. And where they were, I said, you can't stop where you are. Like, that's not a good place. I said, let me know when you get to Louisiana or Arkansas or somewhere. And so he called me. He says, hey, we're rolling into Louisiana now.

I said, take him to the hospital. So they took him to the hospital. The next phone call I get all I can hear is cling, cling, cling, cling, cling, cling. And it's the guy's leg irons hitting the metal bed where he just convulsing like that in the hospital. So they have to sit there five, six hours. They're giving this guy drugs and IVs and everything else. And they're having to sit there with him. And then finally, they clear him to go.

And then they get back into car and they start making their way. By this time, my guys are freaked out too. Somebody's almost died on them. Right. And my partner, he's in Arkansas duck hunting. And he's like, man, just bring him on out here. me, I'll drive him on back, so they get on out there, they meet him in Arkansas

and then they all have to drive this guy back to like Statesboro, Georgia or somewhere, but it's just like, you just never know if somebody's on the drugs or has drugs on them. We ask everybody, do you have anything on you that you don't want to carry into the jail? Sometimes they'll say, yeah, and we'll let them throw it away, or they'll say no, and then when they get to the jail,

they're like, well, I've got a pipe in my bra or something, it's like, well, you're going to have to figure out how to get that out of there. Because we don't have a female with us, and we're not touching that. So either you're fixing a carry across the line, or you're going to have to get it out because we asked you back at the house and you denied it, so here you are. But we always try to help him because we're not cops.

We don't get any more charges on them or nothing like that. So I was trying to think of another story. A guy, I was looking for another guy one time and had been looking really hard for him. He was running all over. And I was looking for a girl at the same time, too. I had no idea they were boyfriend and girlfriend. Well, we were looking for this guy. and so we pinned him down to where we thought he was and we said okay we think he's over here

and we think the girl is over here well little did we know he wasn't over there where we thought he was he was over there with a girl well as soon as we pull in this subdivision we hear sirens and lights and stuff and all these cops come flying past us and we're like what the heck is going on well they were over at this other guy's house and I don't know what was going on but they come outside and the older guy come out and was going to shoot them And he had a shotgun, and he tried to shoot at the guy we were after, but he ended up, the guy hid behind his girlfriend. Right.

And they shot her up. So the next phone call I get was from her mom, oh, are you looking for the girl? I'm not going to say her name. And I'm like, yeah, well, she's in the hospital. So we go to the hospital and like, she's all shot up, peppered with bird shot and stuff. And the other dude got away. Well, he starts dating this other chick or whatever.

And come to find out. Right away? Yeah, pretty soon. Within a couple of weeks. No grace period? No, no. Street life. but so come to find out the scam he was doing was he was getting these girls to lure in these older guys

and he would go hide or something and then they would like lure him in and pretend they were going to do a sexual favor for the guy or something for some money and then they would do what's called rolling him. They would beat his ass and take his money. Right. Shove him out the door. Well, I'd been calling around looking for this guy and I'd found the phone number for this apartment for this. Somebody basically told me he might be staying with this girl in this apartment. I didn't know her name. I knew the apartment number. So through my data, basis. I just searched the apartment number, search people with this address, find the person, find the phone number, call it up. No, I don't know him. I don't know him, whatever. So that night, when I finally got up there to town, I decided, well, I'm just going to go over there. So I go over

there and go to the door and I'm like, hey, we're looking for Reggie. And she's like, well, I don't know him, I don't know him, I don't know him, but then she slipped up. And she's like, somebody called my phone earlier looking for somebody. I don't think when I called her phone, I didn't ask for him. I'd ask for somebody else that I knew he might be with, just to kind of throw it off. And she goes, somebody called my phone earlier because when I asked her, she knew, I was asking for this other person just to see. And she goes, somebody called my phone earlier looking for them. And I thought, I've got the right place. What's the odds of somebody calling, looking for the same exact person that was somebody I knew would be hanging out with this guy.

So the whole time, she's got this little, little kid there. The kid's three, four years old. And the kid's like tugging on my side. And she goes, you're scaring my kid with your gun. And I'm like, I'm not scared. And the kid's like, hey, mister, mister. And I just reached down and pick her up. And I'm like, what's up, sweetie? She goes, we've got a man upstairs. I said, you do. She goes, he's in the closet, like that. So we literally busts through the door, and this guy's sitting on the couch, and he's like, what's going on?

So we start up the stairs, and she's going, no, no, no, don't go up there. And, of course, he's done moved away from the closet and hiding between the bed and the wall. And Doug drags him out, and I thought Doug was fixing to literally beat the crap out of this guy because he had a weapon and everything. So we get him in custody and everything and get him back to the jail. But that was funny story. Like, nobody would have known nothing except for the little kid tugging on my leg going, Mr. we've got a man upstairs and he's in the closet. You can see, he didn't have a girl to hide behind this time.

No, no. And the kids will always tell you the truth. You always ask the kids. If you pull up in the yard and you see the kids, ask them questions because they'll tell you things that everybody else is going to lie about. They'll be like, oh, yeah, daddy's at work and he'll be home at this time. And he's just going to sit down there in that barn and drink his beer. I'm like, okay, we'll come back and talk to your dad later.

You'll pull back up in the yard and the same kid will be out there on. a big will dad's down there drinking beer. You just never know. Do you remember what these guys were locked up for when you grab them? Or you just kind of remember. I would grab this guy. I don't really know. We normally do.

I mean, I asked that before, but I'm wondering when these stories, do you remember, oh, I remember this guy. Because to me, I would have been like, oh, this guy, this was bank robbery. Oh, this guy, this guy had robbed a convenience story. This guy was drugs. Right. Most everybody, it seems like his drug charges most of the time. There'll be some robberies and stuff.

we had a guy he had like a small robbery charge or something I think not armed or anything he had robbed like a convenience store or something and had some drug charges and we had been looking for him for a good while and like he just kept disappearing and he would supposedly stay at grandma's house sometimes we showed up at his dad's house at like 11 o'clock at night and his dad lives in like this big fancy neighborhood and when you get into a neighborhood with six seven hundred thousand dollar homes

and you're knocking on the door at two in the morning you're like man this just doesn't feel right you'll get a bad feeling like this, you're just not at the right place. Dad was super cool. He's like, no, I don't have nothing to do with him. He's robbed his story. He's done this and this. So we're looking for this kid for weeks.

We're chasing him here. We're chasing him there. We're looking all over and we can never catch him at grandmaws. Grandma's half the only reason she's letting the kids stay there. And he's in and out. He's got multiple girlfriends. And finally we get a lead on one girl that he kind of talks to a decent amount. And somehow we follow her over to this house.

and the guy's not with her and we get to talking to her and this other guy that she's over there fooling around with and we're like, hey look, she's fooling around with this other guy too that we're looking for you should talk her in to like tell him where he is he'll be in jail and like he'll be out of your way

you'll have her all to yourself so he's like yeah baby like you need to tell him where this guy is like you really need to help him like we've got him on the hook so we had no idea of the drugs they were doing and stuff and she's like I tell you what

I'm going to have him meet me over at Publix over in Lawrenceville And we're like, okay, no problem. And so two of us get in this one car. We had two or three of us. We had Ford Fusion. Sometimes we'd be in this car, that car. We were always in different trucks of Ford Fusion, a minivan, F350.

You just never knew. We've spotted stuff on motorcycles to pull up and scope stuff out. Just whatever takes to blend in. So my partner decides, well, I'm going to ride with her. That way, when we pull up on the guy, we can all jump out of the cars and we can get him because he's just going to be walking through a parking lot and going to meet her. we had no idea the amount of drugs she was on he gets in the car with her on the highway and she's just driving like insane and he's texting me like i hope i live through this and so we're like trying to figure this out we're following her and we knew how to get to where she told us she was going

where it was but she was going a totally different way so we're like trying to follow her and she's like running 100 we're like is she trying to get away why is she trying to get away we got one of our guys in the car and so we're looking for this guy and we get there and we happen to look there's like the Publix and some other shopping centers and a Taco Bell and there he is walking across and we see him and he sees her Camaro well then my buddy raises up the seat jumps out Jason slam Jason my thought slammed the car in part Jason jumps off because the guy sees us now he takes off running Jason runs after him I jump out of the car runner in the back and I look in the cars rolling hitting him put the car in part

So I just jump the driver's seat and throw it in part and I look up and Jason and is chasing this guy and he's halfway down the side of the public's and I'm like, well, I'm just going to jump in the car and chase them down far as I can and when I get past them or two of them, I'll throw the car and park, jump out, chase him on foot. Jason will jump in the car. He'll come pick me up wherever I wind up. So we get around the back of the store and I'm going up through there in the back of the store. You can see it's like a guardrail like on the side of the road and then there's a chain link fence behind it. And you can see like a field, and it just kind of tapers off like this.

And so I get up beside him, and I'm trying to nudge him over, but I didn't want to hit Jason. So I'm trying to nudge this guy over. And I finally got ahead of them, and I just threw the car apart, and I jump out by the time I get around in front of the car and running, the guy's right in front of me. Well, he steps on the guardrail, steps on the chain link fence, like a four or five foot chain link fence, and he jumps.

I step on the guardrail, step on the fence. And I go to jump, and I look, and I grab myself, hyper-extided my knee. 40 foot down. He falls 40 foot down in the middle of some trees and woods and just whatever you can expect to be behind a grocery store. This is about eight years old that's grown up. Right.

And he had no clue because it just gradually went off. We didn't either. And he was 40 foot down. And I looked down at this time, we don't know if he has weapons or what. So we got conjured on him. We're like, stay still, hold your hands up. He's like squalling. He can't move.

He's all broke up, skin up. So we're like, damn, well, by this time we hear sirens everywhere. Because everybody's done seeing two or three guys chasing some dude. They're a parking lot with guns and everything else. So they've done called everybody. Right. And the police department and the fire department and all show up. And they pull around behind the publics.

And they look down there and they go, holy cow, who's going to go get him? Right. I said, y'all are rescued. I just put the cuffs on him. And he's like, and it was so funny because my partner at the time, he took. And he goes, he took his handcuffs and he threw it the guy. He goes, put these on. He, like, dropped them 40 foot down.

And the guy, like, puts them on. and we're like, don't move. He's like, I can't move. Right. So, like, we end up having to go around to this other neighborhood and go in the back and drag this guy out of there. The rescue didn't even want to go in there and get him out. Would he break?

He broke his leg and, like, sprang his arm and, like, got all cut up and stuff. Well, the ambulance comes out there and we drag him out there, and he's like, oh, this is great. He's thinking, I'm not going to jail. I'm going to hospital now. So we start talking to them, and the ambulance guy gets out, and I'm like, does he have to go? with y'all and they're like well let us let us check him out good and they're like well it's

going to be his choice or whatever whatever he wants to do and he's like oh I'm going with them I'm going with the ambulance and I'm like I said if you go with the ambulance we're going with you and they're like well I don't know if we have room for two of y'all to ride in here and I said well then he's not going with y'all and they said well he can go with y'all like he's we just gave him the choice and I said well he don't get a choice he has warrants right so we took him with us well guinette county's not going to take him like that so obviously we had to take this guy the hospital he's we're dragging him in there and rolling him in there in a wheelchair and stuff with handcuffs and leg irons and they're trying to x-ray him we're having to pull cuffs off and

stuff and they splint him up and we got pictures of him in front of the jail with his handcuffs and we bought him some food at this point so he's smiling a little bit but like yeah so had to had to had to drag him in after a broke leg and stuff like that so but i mean it was crazy he jumped off of a 40 foot wall trying to get away but i mean he had run so many times um yeah no he He didn't know it was a 40-foot drop into some field or something. And that was one of those things. Like I said, when I got ready to go, I was like, I just barely caught myself. And I was so lucky because I would have been 40 foot down. It was, it was bad. Like you just, like I said, how tall are you? I'm 6'4. Yeah, it wouldn't have been good. That's so. Yeah, six foot,

six foot plus guys don't do well 40 foot drops. No, no. I'm sure I would have broke more than he did probably or landed on him, but it was it was kind of crazy. You just you don't, you don't expect that. You just don't expect somebody to run and jump off of a wall and then they're there they were later. They can't do nothing at that point.

Do you have a process like when you're scoping out a building or a house? Like obviously you check for the back door, but is there like a certain thing? Okay, like I got a three-man crew. Like, do you kind of plan like, okay, this is this potential escapes or how do you kind of scope out

a building. Yeah, you definitely always check and see how many back doors are. If there's a back door, a lot of houses will have a side door, back door, garage door, basement door, depending on the house, you just never know. So you're always trying to watch and see, cover all the exits. The more guys you got the better. If you've got two guys, man, we've done a lot with one and two guys, but you're at such a disadvantage because if you've got two guys, you've got a guy at the back door and a guy at the front, let's say there's a basement door or something like that, in a second story they might jump out of. And you're trying to search the house.

They can go from room to room to room and hide while you're searching. They know the house you don't. Right. So if you call your partner in, then you've just left that other point vulnerable for somebody to go out of or into or whatever. So the more guys you got, the better off you are as far as trying to search a home or something like that. How many of these guys run?

Like what's the percentage of people that actually run? You mean like once once you, when you mean run like on bond or you mean run once they figure out you're after them. No, once they figure out your, you knock on the door, like how many times do you, does someone answer the door? Usually about 50%. 50%? Bolt?

Yeah, I mean, someone will bolt or they'll hide or they'll lie and say he's not here. I don't know where they are. I thought you were going to say 10%. You'll go up and show a picture of somebody and you'll be like, hey, I'm looking for this guy and a woman will look at you and go, well, I don't know him. And you'll be like, that's your son. Yeah. And I don't know him like that.

What do you know him like that? Like, that's your son. Yeah, but I don't know what he does. I don't keep up with him, and they're hiding him the whole time. He's in the spare room is what you're saying. Yeah, he's in the spare room. Do you, like, are you like an inventor junkie? Like, you kind of hope they run so you can go chase them down or you just like, yeah, I just hope.

I mean, not really. I mean, it's kind of like you just, you want to catch them because you want to get your paycheck and move on to the next one, especially if it's, like I said, it seems like a lot of times the smaller ones are the ones that are hard to get a hold of. And they'll run and they're harder to find. Do you think it's because of drugs? drugs, and just they don't have anything in their name. They've never had anything, no asset to track them to. A lot of their family doesn't have anything. So it's just hard to track them, living in extended stays, throwaway phones.

So what happens when you have to, like, these guys are hard to catch? Like, do you call them people up and say, like, hey, you've got to tell me where this guy is? Like, his parents are about to lose their house. Pretty much. That's what you have to do. You have to strong arm everybody. You tell them, hey, look, you could wind up with a theft of services warrant because basically you took our service. and you didn't return him. He didn't come to court, so that's theft.

You could wind up with a theft of services worn on you, or you could wind up with a lawsuit on you. And some of them, they'll be like, okay, I don't want that. And some of them are like, well, I don't have anything anyway. So whatever. You just never know. Some of them are down till the end, right or die. So you have to watch out for that.

You get clients of all types, something good. And then there's a lot of people out there with mental health problems that probably shouldn't be in jail anyway. We don't have a lot of mental health facilities like I think we used to. You had the big one. You'd probably heard of Millageville, Georgia, Central State Hospital. When I was growing up, we deer hunted around there sometimes. And I remember hearing on the radio, oh, two people escaped.

And you'd be a little kid at deer camp going, man, I hope they're not coming here in the woods. Because it was a crazy hospital. That was the thing. If you were bad when you were a kid, your parents would be like, I'm going to send you to Millageville. It was the crazy hospital. That's what they always said. But they shut it down and just turned all these people on the street, basically. And so we don't have any mental health.

We have so many people. There was one girl I know they had to write a bond on at least once a month. I know for shoplifting because she was just going to the stores and she'd shoplift makeup or whatever things she didn't even need. Do you want anything? I've got somebody going in there. I'll get you something. She'd say, like, no. I'm like, no, you've got to stop that. But she was, had some mental issues and she had somebody in another state that controlled her government check every month. And they would pay her bills and then give her a little bit of cash. And when we would bond her out of jail, we would have to call them and be like, hey, she's got arrested again. We bonded her out.

So this month, we need you to send us a payment of at least $100. And they would send us a payment every month. And like we would have to pick her up and take her to court because she would forget to go or wouldn't go. Just a lot of people have mental health issues and that's half of the problem. And then they'll try to get on the drugs or they won't have insurance. They'll get on different drugs. And the big thing out there now is everybody was doing doing drugs and they're laced with and that's killing people. People are on oxies and roxies and all these different pills and stuff. They're real bad in a few of the counties. Yeah, I was going to say I think that most of, I think they closed most of the, whatever, the mental asylums or whatever, and they just,

they just funnel them into the, into the prison system. It's terrible. Yeah. It's terrible. The medium, I was at the medium security prison for about three years, and they have an entire unit that's just for people that have mental problems. And then what they do is they, my buddy, Zach, actually was what they call a mentor. And so they pay you every month as you get an extra stipend.

So you might have your regular job and you might get an extra like 50 bucks a month to live with a guy who's got mental problems. And so these guys would live with them and they have to basically, you're either taking care of the guy or you're coaxing of the guy into doing his laundry, taking a shower. Right. And the counselors had candy bars and candy and popcorn. They had popcorn too. What else did they have? I think they had DVDs. They're in a DVD room in the, like, there's a special facility. Like, Zach was like, it's not the 50 bucks as much as it is.

We have a room where you can watch movies. We get extra stuff. And it's not, it's not as crowded here, not as loud here. Right. Because it's a quiet space. They make everybody try and be quiet. And they bribe them. You could go to the counselor and be like, listen, I'm trying to get this guy to do

his laundry. Right. So you can be a candy bar. Right. So I go get it. So I tell them, look, I got a candy bar, but you got to do all your laundry. And so they're, they're, they're, coaxing them and they make their bed for them.

They make sure that they change your sheets every once a week or something. Right. But they have mental problems. And of course, and they're drugged out of their minds. Right. Like they're all on like Thorazine or I forget the other drugs that they're Zoloft and all these drugs that just have them like they're almost like zombies.

Yeah. They just keep them drugged up and have somebody kind of take care of them. Right. My partner that worked with me, Charlie, when he was in college, one of his, he could go to Central State Hospital and sit with them in a room for like two hours a and got a college credit for going over sitting with him.

He said he'd just sit there and watch TV with them. They would be in eight or ten of them in a room, and some would talk to him, some wouldn't. But basically he just sat there and watched TV with him and got a college credit for just hanging out with them, basically. Something else Zach did? I don't know if we ever talked about this was Zach, we should mention this. He also did watch.

Guys would threaten to sell themselves or try, maybe they'd half-heartedly try, or maybe they did try, whatever. And then they'd put them in this room and they'd have to be monitored for like, I want to say three days. And then they pay Zach or another inmate to sit with them for like whatever is eight hours. And then they have another inmate come. So they literally have to sit there with a pen and a piece of paper.

And they'd have a book. And they'd read their book and monitor the guy at everything he did all the time. God went to the bathroom at 2.15. Right. Said he was hungry at such and such. I mean, that's just ridiculous. They'd do it for like 72 hours or something. Yeah.

And then they'd pay him for that. I think he'd get 25. Zach had all the hustles. An extra $25 every time you did that. But yeah, they... Yeah, we've definitely got to get some more mental health facilities. Through all this, I also had became a certified interventionist,

certified drug and alcohol interventionist and stuff. And so, like, we had some rehabs like Fort Walton and some different places that we would send people. And the people that done the course for us, they were like, hey, y'all are bail bondsmen, y'all meet these people, your first interaction, you get them in our course, You send them these people, and then they would pay us to send the people down there,

and then they would fly us down sometimes, and we would go down and talk or speak or whatever. Different things like that. I was going to say, it seems like these guys, like, and sometimes they're doing drugs just because it's almost like self-medicating. Right. Right. You never know what's behind somebody that, like, I grew up. My dad was an alcoholic.

I never, by the time he died, I never had been forethought enough to ask him, what made you start drinking? Or like, I look back on it now and wonder if he had some. type of depression or bipolar or something going on. He was a functioning alcoholic. He went to work every day. Every day he would go to work, but he might have to pour Jack Daniels in his coffee to get there. But he was going every day.

He went in a drunk, like I had a grandpa that was a drunk. He would get drunk and go off on these vodka benches, and then you'd take him to the hospital and he would dry out. Come to find out, he was in World War II, and he was one of the people that they would send in and he would go in and choke people out before things happened. And he was close to my aunt, and he had told her that's why he drank and stuff, that he would, that those thoughts would run away in his mind. And he didn't know what to do or whatever.

So he would just go to drinking because it had scarred him so bad because he had crawled in there and choke so many people out and kill him. That was his job. I was going to say those guys that, like, Korea and Vietnam, they'd send it into the tunnels, like to give him a handgun and go in the tunnel. I'm not going in that tunnel. Right. You get out of your mind?

Right. Yeah, that'd tear you up. for the rest of your life. And then when they came back, it was, they was, they called what, shell shock,

but now it's PTSD. So, I mean, there's no, it's to basically rub some dirt in it and suck it up back then. Now it's like, hey,

we got medication. We've got, but yeah, it's, yeah, I was going to say, I have a couple of buddies that literally would come home

every night, drink a couple of six packs, pass out, wake up the next morning, like, boom, ready to go. All right, let's,

well, meet the guys, and do this, and it's like, Right. Like, how are you functional? Like, you wouldn't drink all day, or in one of my, one buddy's case, would drinks periodically throughout the day. Yeah.

Got multiple DUIs, navigator's driver's license back. But then as soon as he gets home, he starts drinking until he passes out, wakes up the next morning. Right. You never know he was. That's kind of, yeah. That's kind of what I've seen. Insane. But then I've seen, like you said, others, I had a guy that worked with me.

When I was doing painting body work, I'd have to pick him up for work. And I'd have to buy him a six-pack on the way to work. And then at lunch, he would have to go get a pitcher of beer just to get the shakes to stop. But he was one of the best car painters I had ever seen. He could paint better than anybody, but he didn't want to be the painter. He wanted to be the helper because he didn't want the responsibility. But you could let him go in there and he'd help paint everybody. He was so good. It's so talented. And he ended up committing to drink and drank and drank and drank and shot himself and committed to him. Jeez. So we had a time, one time, we were looking for a girl

and we were in Savannah, Georgia. And we had tracked her down to this hotel called the Alamo Plaza. and it was bad when it back in the day you could tell it used to be a nice big fancy motel two entrances between the the building and stuff you come in here and come out over here whatever entrance and exit well they had blocked it down to like one and boarded and plywood and barred one exit up and we're like something must be bad for them to do this so we stop we talk to them and we're like hey we're looking for so and so we know she's here we don't know which room and they're like oh yeah she's in room like 113 here's the key and we're like okay and she goes I'm going to go there with y'all because they're going to have the chain chained or whatever.

So we get over there, and when we pull back in the back of this place, man, there are drug dealers everywhere, prostitutes everywhere, and just all kind of stuff going on. So we go to knock on this door and nobody answers. So I stick the key in it. And when I open the door, of course, it's latched at the top, so it won't go but so far. When you're trying to breach a door or kick a door in and it's against something like that, you kind of would rather have a little bit of give.

So I just pull the door back too before I go to kick it in. And what's so funny is that the hotel person's out there going, kick it in, kick it. They're cheering me on to kick their own door in. This is clearly an employee. Yeah, yeah. So we kicked the door in and we go in. And there's this guy. He gets up and runs over in the corner.

He was her trick, I guess. He was there for some favors. And they had some laid out over here. And they were doing some stuff. And she was laid over on the bed butt neck and she was ever bed of 400 pounds. So it wasn't something that you really wanted to see neckied over there And they're freaking out My buddy's going, oh gosh, oh, he's like, let me see your hands and stuff

And trying to hold the guy in the corner And I'm like, you've got to get some clothes on And she tells the guy, says, throw me my panties And he reaches down and throws her something I look at it and I said, that's an eye patch I mean, it was a pair of panties that looked like they were like That's not going to fit But it was a mess

So the whole time we had another guy, Kim, That worked with us in South Georgia and he's uh he's standing outside me and charlie's in the hotel and he's going guys guys and we're going we'll be out there in a minute man we got her and he's like guys guys and we don't know what's going on and we get out there and there's kim and he's standing out there with a 5-7 hertzl pistol and he's like holding off like 10 guys like evidently this is their girl that pimps outside they're pissed we've got their drugs we've got their girl and we're taking her out of this place and they're not happy and we're just trying to get out of there so we're like trying to get

out there and throw her in the car and and help Kim and all this. It was a big mess. Like, they're surrounding the car. We finally get her and get out of there. But it was crazy. Like,

you're like, man, we were fixing to be into a big shootout. Like, you just, you don't know what you're going to run into. She was a money maker. She must have been a moneymaker.

Yeah, she was the moneymaker, and they were not happy that we were taking her. And then on the way back to the jail, just, Kim, he was real country.

Some of the conversations he had with her was just kind of funny. Like, what the hell are you doing, laid up in a hotel and doing this and this. And it was, It was hilarious, really.

Doritos aren't free. That's right. You're going to make that money somehow. So, you're always trying to do something to laugh, like I said, and stay awake. My buddy Charlie Baker, another Charlie, he had a little girl at the time, and he would let her paint his toenails and stuff. So we would laugh at him. We'd be like, oh, look at them toenails and stuff. And he goes, oh, yeah, we're going to have a pretty toe contest.

Well, that turned into a joke because when we go to these different places to get people, half these people ain't wearing no shoes and stuff. and they've got these ugly-looking feet. So he starts taking pictures of their feet, and he's texting it to us, and we're all trying to be serious. And everybody, you look at your phone, and you're like, oh, you get disturbed. And so we started having, riding around and calling about the pretty toe contest to see who could take the picture of the ugliest feet.

That was our entertainment to try and try and stay awake, like I said, because we're trying to run all weekend on these guys, and then get back home and get some sleep before we went back to our day job. It was 2013, I think, October, or June of 2013, before I finally quit bodywork. and went to do in Belbonds full time. So. Okay. Once I started doing it full time, then it was like, I'm hunting them day and night at this time.

So we're capturing multiple people a week, multiple of days sometimes. There's days where you might go and get three people, and there's days where you might not get but one or you might get none. And you might go one night and you're like, dang, we didn't get nobody. And then the next night, he's like, boom, boom, boom, they all come together. So do you have a, like, do you have to have a concealed weapons permit? So you have to have a weapons permit in Georgia to do bail recovery.

That's all you have to be 25 years old. It can't be a felon. And you got to have a weapons permit. Okay. Did you go over that before? I did not. Okay. Just make sure.

Yeah, I left that out. I'm sorry. Well, if I was going to say in Florida, they used to have a concealed weapons permit, but now I think you can just walk around with your guns. It's the same way in Georgia now. You can walk around open or concealed anything you want, no permit. But as a recovery agent, the law still states we are supposed to have a permit. Okay.

So I keep one, which that makes it easier anyway if you want to buy a gun. They don't have to run your crap. You just whip out your card and you're good. You're a lot faster through to buy a weapon. How often when you grab these guys, do they do the, I mean, do they offer, do women ever offer services? I've seen the body can for the cops. They do. Can we, can we settle this in some way?

We went and got a girl one time and we'd been looking for her, didn't know where she was. and all of a sudden we get a call out of the blue, this guy goes, hey, are you looking for so-and-so? And we're like, yes, we are. And he's like, well, come over here and get her. She's at my apartment, and she's crazy, and she's bad shit crazy, and I want her to go. And we went over there, and she was upstairs, and she'd come down. She was half-necked.

We made her put some clothes on and stuff, and we get going up the road with her. And she looks over at me, and she goes, this is bull crap. She goes, he only had me arrested because I won't have sex with him today. She goes, I don't want to have sex with him today. She goes, normally I let him and his buddies come up. over and they tie me up and do whatever they want to do that today. And she goes, I didn't want to do that today. So he's mad. So he called you to take me to jail. And she goes, I'll do anything not to go to jail. She goes, I will suck you off good and hard right now if you don't

put me in jail. And I'm like, yeah, that's not going to happen. That's not going to work for me. And she was sitting in the passenger seat and my buddy's in the back. And she turns around and looks at him and she goes, what about you? I'll do the same thing for you right now. Good and hard if you just let me go and he looks at her and he goes well the guy in the front seat he goes me and him don't get along we don't like each other we're forced to work with each other and we're both competing for the same promotion and if i let you do that to me he's going to tell on me and if and if you do it to him i'm going to tell on him so it ain't going to work we're both going to have miss out on this today and so we get to the jail and this girl is inside the lobby of the jail

and people that were walking in she's like hey i'll i'll perform what right i'll do what whatever to get out of here. And the guy's like, I don't think so. Like, she, she wasn't the greatest looking thing anyway. And they're like, I don't think so. And she was offering three or four people that walked into the lobby to where finally they had to come out there and get her. She's like, I'll pay you the money for my bond. I'll do this sexual favor. I'll do that. And they're like, no, no, no, no, no. But yeah, that's happened multiple times. They're like, is there no way we can work this out? And you're like, no, there is no way we can work this out. Like, no. What about, I mean, do people also try and like pay you? Like, hey, man, let me

You can be fine. I get to $200 right now if you just let me go. They do. They do try and pay. And we actually had a, we had a few payoff. And it's not like you think. It's not like we had the guy there and he's like, hey, give me some money and I'll let you go. We were chasing a couple of guys. This has happened several times. We were chasing people and come to find out. They were like the kingpin, like the dealer. Right. Yeah. They actually had a bunch of money somewhere. Right. And they're like, look, we're after him and we're going to keep coming to your house until we find Ted or whatever. And they're like, okay, well, we're going to talk to him, this and that or whatever.

And then finally they're like, look, you're bad for business. You keep coming around. My first bail recovery company was called BC Bell Recovery, which said for bad company bail recovery. Because everywhere we went, people who said, y'all are bad company. We don't want you here. Go away. Y'all look at the type of company we won't coming over.

So, but they would be like, hey, I've talked to Ted and Ted says, he wants to know how you can get out of this. And I'm like, well, this is a $10,000 bond. So you got $10,000. Ted says he can have it for you tomorrow. Next thing somebody shows up and brings us 10 grand. And they're like, well, this is going to keep us from coming back to your house. not after Ted no more, but Ted still has warrants, which means other bondsmen if they hire

another company or the sheriff or somebody else is still going to be looking for you. But this bondsman's not because we have satisfied his, we satisfied his contract. He wanted him or 10 grand, he got the 10 grand. For the bondsman that can work out two ways. The bondsman can go down and pay that off. Go, hey, we didn't get him. Here's the 10 grand. Or he can wait until his last day and then go, hey, I need an extension.

We still haven't called him. And then hopes and that guy gets arrested. Then if the guy gets arrested, yeah. Then he goes down and comes off the bond, then he's got the money and the guy. Nice. But I mean, in the contract, it states that when you fail to appear, the monies do then, and they can charge different fees and different things. There's things in the contract that allow us to run, get all your information regardless of HIPAA laws,

medical releases, phone numbers, jobs, anything. And you have to do a lot of different things to find the people sometimes. I mean, I'll just call them up and be like, hey, this is Todd at Aaron Reynolds. I need to verify Mr. Cox. is here and he wants to rent some furniture. I'm just trying to verify employment. All right. I'm not supposed to give anything. Well, look, man, he just, does he work there? I'm not trying to ask anything. Yeah,

he works. Okay, that's all I need to know. And then you show up at wherever job it is and get them. Find them on their job or something. You were asking a story about somebody that got away. We had a mother and a son that we were looking for. Neither one of them were big bonds. And we had

a secretary that worked in the office for a while and she would friend up some of the weirdest people that come in sometimes. It was just kind of odd. We're like, it'd be a child who'd come in, and she would just talk their ear off, and I'm like, it just seems odd. And so she was a little different, but she was great as far as the job, only she was still in money we didn't know about for a while.

She was paying herself for things that other people had done. And we were looking for these two people that she had wrote their bond, and it was a black lady and her son. And it seemed like they were just always one step ahead of us. We never could find them. and didn't know why. They were just one step ahead. And we knew that she had had some interaction with them.

We were like, something's up. Like, we cannot find these people. They're just always one step ahead. And we actually ended up several months later catching her when she had stole some money. And she actually wrote a confession letter about the money she had stole, wanted to pay it back. And she says, I will also pay the bonds for balo and pass. That was the people's last names. She's like, I will pay those.

and we're like, why would she say she would pay those? Well, come to find out, she had been tipping them off where we wouldn't catch them. For whatever odd reason it was, and that's why we didn't catch them was, they were one step ahead every time. She's like, oh, they're out and they're coming to your house now, you know, things like that. Were they a drug, was it a drug crime? One of them had a drug crime, and one of them had just like some theft charges. Get a lot of theft by deception, things like that.

I was going to say maybe she was, maybe they were like drug buddies or something. Sure. I don't know if maybe she was not sure. I know she had a kid that had some problems. I don't know that he was on any street drugs, but he was on prescription drugs. So I don't know if that. We're not sure what the deal was. Did you ever pay? So she ended up getting arrested and she had to pay, I guess, restitution back on whatever. And then there's like a whole civil lawsuit. I'm not sure exactly what's going on with all that now. I don't dig into it too much because it's not my company. So we had a guy we were looking for one time. And he called called me the night before court. It was in 2013, I remember, because I was buying a brand

new laptop, and I was in the store of my phone ring, and it was this Hispanic guy, and he's like, hey, let's be a court in the morning. I'm like, okay, we'll see you there. We get to court the next day. The guy didn't show up. Couldn't find him. So we track him all over. Track him, track him, track him, come to find out he went to Texas or something. One, Texas, the way the law works is you have to have a PI, do your recovery, or a Texas Ranger. And the people are supposed to be put in jail there, and then you have to extradite them, hope they don't fight the extradition hearing to come back to Georgia or whatever. So we hired a PI out of Texas to look for our guy and he kept looking for him, looking for him. He had finally like tracked him

down in New York or something. Well, they wound up, I think all they found was like he found out the guy had been the night before a court or something, the cartel had come and got him and got him. And like this guy wound up and like he's like, hey man, here's what's left of him. Here's a picture of his head basically. And we were able to take all the documentation and everything and go get off of that bond with all that information and the death certificate. So that's another thing. If you have a death certificate, you can get off of a bond. It's kind of sad.

Somebody would call you up sometimes. They're like, hey, just let you all my son's on bond for DUI drugs, this and that. And he passed away. And you have to go, do you have a death certificate? I need a certificate. I'm going to do that. They're like, well, I've got to have that when you get it. You just, they don't understand it.

And they'll all, even if somebody's not dead, they'll all try and manipulate you. and try to, well, my mom died, and that's why I haven't paid. I haven't done this, and I haven't done that. And I'm like, so what would you do if Georgia Power was fixing to cut your power off? Well, I'd pay them. And I'm like, well, I'm fixing to cut you off and put you back in jail, so you better start paying, and I need your 16-digit card number. I don't care about your mom dying.

Did she take your credit card with her? Right. And they look at me, they're like, oh, what do you mean? And I'm like, it's a business. You've got to be, you can't let them, they'll manipulate you and run you over if they can. Yeah. And it's, like I said, and a lot of these stories, like a lot of people haven't even heard, they'll hear them here for the first time.

Because I don't really go around and tell everybody what I do or what I've done or tell them all the stories. Like, we just have always been more laid back about it, like I said, and done a lot of things undercover. But as it goes now, you're having to now, you have to really watch yourself and wear body cams and a bigger vest. And there's just everybody out there has a camera and social media, so everybody's trying to film you.

So you definitely want to make sure you're doing everything. I would think you would How old's your son? He just turned 18. 18. I think he would, you could take that body footage and turn it into a killer, you know, TikTok account, you know what we're working on. That's what we're working on.

Like that would be hilarious. Or I guess I shouldn't say hilarious, maybe. Interesting. It should be super interesting. There's a lot that'll be hilarious. You just, the people you run into and you interact with, it's like some people will never experience it. You tell some of the people, some of these stories, and they're like, there's no way.

And they're just, they're blown away. And it's like, so when I was working full time and I started doing this stuff, I was bounty hunting, obviously, in towns where I didn't live. And then when that guy got shot, I started working over here in other towns where I didn't live. So then that makes you wonder, wow, Barrow County, Georgia put Barrow County on the map. It was like, what's happened out here? And it's like, you see all this bad stuff. So you start wondering, well, wait a minute. Am I just seeing this stuff because I'm here and I'm in the middle?

love it or was this same stuff going on in my hometown and I just didn't know it. Yeah, yeah. And of course, now you look back at your hometown and it's definitely happened there now. You're like, oh, wow. So, yeah, I was going to say that, that, yeah, I would have to have a body camera. Because I'd be, I'd be so afraid what these people goes, every time I watch one of these TikToks with the cops, like the girl, it'd be, it'll be some woman. And you've watched the whole body camera.

And then the supervisor comes up and they're like, he was touching me. he was inappropriate he grabbed me it's like what are you talking about like this guy never then they're like okay well if that's the case you can fill out a police report i'm like fill out a police report it just works a whole body camera he never touched her you know what i'm saying she we can get out of the car like it was it's so i can only imagine you guys because at least the cops have kind of immunity for the most part right and and like i said they've got a lot of powers and things we don't there's very few things we can do that they can't um it definitely helps we've we've had to help them in situations. We had a guy one time

they were looking for and I had a ankle monitor on him and they come in our office and they're like hey I'm looking for him and the guy had already came in there earlier that day and was going to turn himself into me and then so I got ready to put cuffs on him

and I had like my back was killing me at the time and so the same secretary was supposed to close the door when he come in and he had walked in the back and she didn't get up and close the door and so I got ready to put cuffs on him he took off running

and then he calls back later and he goes man you told me you were going to let me get my drugs off of me and stuff I said I was he goes well you were cuffing me up I said yeah then I was going to let your buddy get your drugs or whatever like no big deal and take you to jail so he took off down the road and I knew where he was and he cut the monitor and stuff like that but I knew about where he was

and the police had come by and they're like hey we're we want Mr. Tanner and we want to find him and I'm like well he's right down here and they go okay so like come back a couple hours later they're like well how he's there I said I know he's there I've had a monitor on him he's cut it now but like it's still laying there

and I know he's going to be there so like we don't know and finally they got some of the county guys and then when my other guy had working when we got off work we go down there to get this guy we pull up in the driveway where the first one's in

there's two car loads behind us and then there's some county guys around the back watching as soon as we pull in we jump out he takes off running well they had ran from the cops so much here they had like a five or six foot chain link fence they had threw a rug over it where they could jump over it so easy just crawl over it

not get skin up like they knew what was going on so we pull up he takes off running and uh we we just had got these tasers like we didn't have tasers for years we just had got them and he takes off running and he'd already ran for me once and i'm like you're not getting away again so i tased him and let him up he hits the ground everybody there starts hollering he shot it sounds like a 22 kind of somebody's like he shot madre he shot madre and then so like uh i get over there We handcuff him up, then the cops come in and they take him and stuff, and they start questioning him, and then dude's pretty cool. He's like, oh, man, that's a good shot.

And I'm like, you know, you're like, yeah, it's square in your back, you're running. You're like, we're going to let you get away again, but it's just funny. Like I said, sometimes they'll, they kind of have to have that address on that warrant when they're looking for them, and that wasn't there. So if they know there's another way, we'll do it if we can. We always try to assist them if we can. So sometimes when you go to get people, sometimes this is the simplest thing. The bondsman, I told you, sometimes he would give us files at people he got math.

wouldn't pay he gave us this file on these people that wouldn't pay and he told us man go find them there's like three of them i have on bond and they all live together and they're big and he goes i need you to go get them so we get like three or four of us and we're riding around town and we're looking all over and none of the information in the file was any good so we finally find uh we finally find the place where they were living so we go over there and we knock on the door and then we get looking around and it's empty and we look next door and there's a trailer sitting there, and the door's just wide open, it's dark. It's like Friday night, like 8 o'clock.

And we walk up on the porch, and you can smell the coming out. So my partner just walks on in. He's a little different little crazy. He just walks on in. The guy's sitting here on the couch, and the guy's sitting here, and they're watching wrestling on TV. And they got all their laid out on the table and their little tray and everything, and Charlie just sits down on the couch

between him and me and Jason just standing at the door, like, what hell is he doing? Charlie goes, come on in, guys. So we just walk on in, too, and the two guys are just sitting there like this. And Charlie says, what are y'all doing? And they're just, they're stunned. They're sitting there. They're like, oh, we're watching wrestling. He's like, cool, man. I remember years ago this wrestler and that wrestling and that stuff. And he looks up and he goes, that smells like some pretty good you got there. He goes, man, you never know when a cop might walk

in the door or something. He goes, y'all might want to like put some of that away sometimes. And they're just like, they don't know what to do. They're just paralyzed. Do they realize you guys are bound? I mean, they see our vest and stuff. But like, they don't know what to do. Because like we're not, we're not saying nothing. We're comp. He's like, oh, that smells like some good drugs, you know. Well, I would think that they might think you're police. Right. So, yeah, and we do get mistaken for them a lot of times. We, we, we, one of the laws and things is, is you, you can't never do anything to portray yourself as police. So that's another thing with like, like I said, a lot of times we went in the street clothes is because it's one of the last

things you want to do is look like a cop, because we're not, we're not supposed to be cops. Yeah, yeah. We're not supposed to do or say anything like we don't wear a badge. But if you don't say anything, you're wearing a, if you're a vest and you've got a gun, I think they're a cop. Yeah. It's kind of like our ID. They just say sheriff's office. on them or whatever and people see that and they think sheriff they don't think nothing else if they don't ask I don't know what they're assuming if they don't say anything if they ask I'm like no I'm not law enforcement I'm bail bondsman

bail recovery agent but uh so these two guys they're sitting there on the couch and they're kind of freaking out not knowing what to think and Charlie says what happened to your neighbors and they're like oh they're at home he's like no no no no no no the neighbors over here and they're like oh they moved they moved

and uh Charlie's like okay okay and he sits there and he's just messing with them We just trying to mess with their minds and stuff. And where they went? He said, no, no, he got no clue where they went. What was it? What kind of car were they driving? Well, they were driving a Crown Vic.

Okay, okay. Do you have, but y'all don't have no idea where they went. One guy goes, well, all I know is one of them said that they found a place to live that they could all afford, and it was nicer than this, and it had a nice front porch on the edge of town. And we're like, okay. And we talked to them a few minutes, and then we leave. And they're like, we're laughing about it. We're like, man, wonder what was going on through their minds.

They got all their weed laid out and everything. And we done freaked them out, messed up their high. So we go to Waffle House. And we're sitting in there and we're like, man, how are we going to find these people? Like, they didn't have nothing to run in their name. They didn't own much nothing. And Charlie had always been a trailer park king. At one time, he owned about every trailer park in the county and slumlord.

And he says, let's go get a newspaper. That's where they run all the rental ads. So he goes and gets that and he comes back. He walks in the Waffle House. and he's looking and he's flipping through it and he goes, house for rent, house for rent, house for rent. And sure enough, the ad says,

house for rent, three bedroom, two bath, nice front porch on the edge of town. Same description just like the people said and we're like, how is it they're giving the same description, you know, thought it's kind of odd because the porch in the edge of town was mentioned. So we look up the address in the rental ad because the address was on there

and we rode over there and sure enough there's the crown vintner driveway. It's like four in the morning, mother's time. We're like, we're not going to knock on their door. now. The car's here. They don't know we're looking for them. They're going to be here. So we get up the next day and we go over there at like 10 o'clock, knock on the door and we're pounding on the door. Finally somebody comes to the door and it's a big old boy. But something was not right with these people.

I don't think they had Down syndrome, but something wasn't right. I don't know if there's some inbreeding going on or what, but they weren't quite right. What's the family on soft light underbelly? Oh, yeah. That's, yeah. I know exactly what you're talking about. Similar to that. And I'm not making fun of them by no means. They were touched, and that's why the bondsmen didn't want to go get them because they were big.

You could tell if they wanted to cause them. And that's what they had been to jail for was like simple battery family violence, where they got into an argument with each other. And it was like three of them that went, three or four of them or something. So we tell them, hey, your bondsman's coming off your bond. And like there was cat crap all over the floor. These places are just nasty. And one of them was laughing.

The dog was over there taking a poop in the floor. And one was just laughing and giggling about it. And we're like, yeah, they're definitely touched. I mean, he's like, am I in Twibble, too? And we're like, no, no, buddy, you're okay. Go sit down over there in color. So. You've got the guy barking in the corner.

So, yeah, so it was kind of like that. But the guy was so big that when I put his hands behind his back, my handcuffs would not go around his wrists. So we ended up having to put leg irons on him. And luckily, they got a longer chain because, like, his arms wouldn't even go close together. And then we're trying to find other leg irons to handcuff the other ones because they're all that big. And you kind of felt bad because they were not mentally right.

Right. But they had done the crime and whatever, and he wanted it off. So it was a job to us. We had to take them back to jail. Luckily, they were general giants. Right. Right. But it was just kind of funny, house on the edge of town,

the way we tracked them down, because you were asking about how we find them. Social media and just people put on there, hey, we're having a party over here. And you have to wind up having to walk in a nightclub or something, and the music stops because you're the only two white guys to walk in there or something. And it's like, oh, shit. And you find your guy or whatever.

They're not happy. When you go taking somebody away from their party, they're not happy. But you have to try and figure out a way to get out of there. What's the biggest bond that you've had? So I've probably done several that were 150,000 that we've done recoveries for. That's like 15 grand. Yeah, yeah. And like I said, a lot of times there's not really much of a story to tell on them because a lot of times they're easier to catch.

Yeah. You have, like you said, you've 150,000, and you've got a footprint like you don't. Yeah, right. You've got, you've done some type of white color crime or something to wear. And if you've got an automobile, I mean, believe it or not, most of the people we chase don't have an automobile. If you've got a car, I can usually find you. I can run a tag number, something like that. We work with some repo guys and stuff sometimes, too.

And they've got the flock system where they've got all the license plate readers. They call them LPRs. They'll have certain cars. I don't know what does that mean. So you'll see a car sometimes riding around and it'll be a piece of crap, like an old Nissan Citron or to have all these cameras. Have you seen the place? police cars that have the cameras on every corner so we got police cars that have cameras on

we got police cars in george and you'll see there'll be like two cameras on one on each fender one on each trunk and it's called an lpr license plate reader and it reads every car that comes by and it'll run the tag and if tags in your name and you got a warrant they're pulling you over if you've got a whatever they're pulling you over and it's great because it catches a lot of people but it misses a lot of people right did a guy have drugs in the car that just went by you did he have somebody in there he kidnapped what did it miss right so Basically, the repo companies, they'll pay, they'll take one of their old piece of crap cars that they've got on a repo, nobody's coming got, and they've got paperwork on it, and they put these same cameras on there. And they pay one of their employees to go right around parking lots, apartment complexes.

If you go to an apartment complex and you look around, like last night, we've got a guy we're looking for down here right now, and we were looking for him last night, matter of fact. And his name's Amanya Ely. I'll just go ahead and tell his name. He's got warrants, and he's extra-ditable to Georgia, and he's got felony belgium in warrants. But if you go to an apartment complex and the cars are backed in, you're like, okay, they're probably trying to hide from a repo man or something. Or maybe they're just backed in. Right. Because that license plate reader, when it comes by, it scans them.

And they'll pay their employee to drive through Walmart and apartment complexes and around town, certain grids in certain areas. And it scans every license plate, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And they all go in this flock system. And then that flock system, if you type into that flock system, I'm looking for this plate, GDE 2283 or something, then boom. They'll say, oh, the flock system last picked it up in Tampa, Florida. I'm like, okay, my guy's in Tampa. I'm going to Tampa. And then I start the search from there.

If I find where you live and I know you're in a certain area and I show your picture to enough people or throw enough people money, somebody's going to rat you out. I'm going to find you. Wow. I never heard anything like that. I thought maybe like driving through like tolls or something. Yeah, we don't have a lot of that in Georgia. But like I said, the repo guys are running that flock system.

And if you get in with them, you can put it in there. Even TLO, I think, offers a system now. It's like a wild card tag feature if your car spotted somewhere or something like that. You just never know where it's going to pop up. And then that kind of gives you a location. There's some other things out there you can do to track people now. You know, there's been people through trackers in cars or phones, different things. Go out and pop something underneath the car that they don't even know about.

That might have happened a time or two. You never know. We had a guy one time and he was in New York and he had run from us. and he had run to New York. And a lot of times if they're out of state, like I said, it'll pay us 10% if they're in state and 20 if they're out. So if I found them out of state, unless they're close by, I would much rather pay somebody else to bring them to me or transport them halfway,

and I pay them their 10% plus a transport fee, whatever the bondsman will agree to let me pay them. Right. So I found a guy in New York and found these two guys were supposed to be legit recovery agents. They went over and picked him up. And they said, okay, what are you going to do? And I said, look, I was working a full-time job still at the time, and I said, I'm going to send two people up there, and they're going to meet them in Virginia or whatever, and they'll pay you the $1,800 we agreed to to pick him up and bring him back. And they said, okay.

So they got there, and they got at the meeting spot. A lot of times when we pull up behind people that we're looking for, we block them in. Well, you didn't think this is another recovery agent. You're not going to block him in. So he gets out, and he walks up to my partner, and he goes, hey, man, we got the guy in the car, and he looked and seen him, say, okay. He says, let me get you all some money. paperwork and stuff. And he goes, okay, yeah, I need $2,800.

He goes, no, man, he's $1,800 is what we agreed. He goes, this guy's $2,800. He goes, what are you talking about? It's not what we agreed to. And dude says, he's $2,800 and we're driving away with him. And he goes, hang on. So he's sitting a truck to call me, and my partner calls me. He's like, man, this guy's trying to extort me for another thousand bucks.

Right. And he turns around him. The dude drives away. So basically, because they couldn't get the, 2,800 out of us, they took the guy, I guess they'd talk to him and found out maybe he had a little money or something. And they basically took him and held him for like a day and a half and took him to two or three different ATMs, made him go in a bank and withdraw a bunch of money and give them all their money. Then they told him, if you try to do anything to us or whatever,

we know where you live, we came to your house, we got you, we've seen your family, we know everything about you, and we will give you. Wow. And they left his ass in Virginia. And So I'm like, dang, what am I going to do now? So I didn't know nothing about it. Well, two or three weeks goes by and my phone rings. And it's the guy that I was looking for. He says, are you my bell bondsman? I said, well, I'm the guy that's been looking for you.

He says, I need to talk. I said, okay, this is what happened. And I said, well, I know they told me they wanted more money and they ran off. He goes, well, yeah, then they done this to me and they done this. I said, I hope you've called the police. He goes, man, I'm scared to. I don't know what to do. He goes, it took me two weeks to call you.

He goes, they're going to kill me. they're not going to kill you because they told me they know where I live although they that is listen that is over the line like that's something that a normal person is not going to do right they've already taken a pretty substantial step

towards them and he says man they told me they know where I live they've seen my family they'll get my wife my kids if I say anything he said what should I do I said you need to call the police right now and tell them I said because that ain't how this works that ain't how I operate that's not how my people I said you weren't those weren't

people. He goes, yeah, I figured that out. He goes, I just needed to get to y'all. He goes, what can I do now? I said, drive to me. He said, okay, I'm going to drive to you in a couple days. And I thought, right. Two days later, this guy pulls up. He's in a brand new BMW. I mean, he evidently had some money and stuff. He whips up in my parking lot. And he's like, man, I'm here to turn myself in. He goes, what can we do with my car? I said, we'll park it out back. When you go down to the jail, you take care of your stuff, you call me. When you go to court or whatever, when they release you, I'll come down and pick you up and bring you back. and he goes okay so he went he was in the jail for two or three weeks

he got out he called me he says man I went and done my stuff this morning they're going to reset all my stuff he goes they're going to let me out in a few hours I said call me when they let you out so he called me I drive down the jail pick him up come back up he gets I go around back get his car pulled around front he just goes and sits in his car and he's just sitting there like 15 minutes later I walk outside are you okay and he's just gripping the steering wheel he says man I don't know what to do he said this is all messed me up so bad like he's I just, I don't know what to do.

He goes, and you've done everything you told me you were going to do. You were so honest. I just can't believe all this has happened, but it flipped him out because they were going to, they were going to extort him for whatever they could. Did he ever call the police? I don't know. See, a lot of times that's the thing. A lot of the times when we do stuff with people, like we put a guy back in Rockdale County one time,

and then I had a bondsman call me and go, do you have the body camp footage from what happened yesterday? We're like, well, how was him? We're like, well, he was fine. Why? And he said, well, he hung himself in the jail yesterday. Wow. And we're like, what? And they're like, yeah.

And we're like, man, he was fine. Like, we're like, we got all the footage. He was fine. Like, we didn't have to beat him. We'd lay a hand on him, not a mark. I've got tons and tons of pictures because when we get somebody back to the jail, we spin them around right there and take a picture of him. And like, this is the shape you were in when you got here.

That way there's no line. Either you got beat up or you didn't. You can't say something more happened to you. Right. Just always try to cover your butt. Do you grab people over and over again? Have you grabbed people multiple times? Like you grabbed them once, then a year later?

or boom, you got to go up to the same way. So one guy one time I was looking for, and we had been tracking him a certain way. And we knew he was in a certain area, but we couldn't figure it out. And somebody kept saying he was over here and, like, couldn't figure out how to get, there was just nothing there. You're looking at Google Earth, where everybody's telling us he is, there's nothing there. Well, Google Earth hadn't updated today, had built a new hotel there. Okay. And we didn't know it.

And it was kind of like the convenience store we talked about on the way here. Like, you couldn't really get to it at the time. Nobody knew there was a Howard Johnson down this side access road that you could only see from 85 if you went a certain direction. So we finally seen him pull into a subdivision one day. And I seen him, and I called my buddy, and I said, man, when do you get off work? He goes, I get off at 5 in like 10 minutes. I said, look, this guy's over here.

And I said, he's in the subdivision. And I said, I'm trying to get up there. Somebody's done called me and told me he's in there, my CI. So I'm trying to speed over there. and Jason's trying to get over there, and we both get there late, and he pulls out, and I see him, Jason sees him, and I'm in like a Bronco, and Jason's in like a Ford Fusion, and we're going on the road, and we're following this guy. We're like, okay, what are we going to do?

He don't know who we are. He don't know we're following him. Well, for some reason, the sheriff's office had traffic stopped in the road and was doing something, so when they did, I just thought, well, shit, I'm just going to, I'm in a four-wheel drive. I just pulled off the side of the road and pulled around and blocked him in the back, so he's trying to, like, back up and pull forward and get out, and he's freaking out. And we're like, get out of the car, get out of the car. What the cops doing?

Do they just? They're like five cars down directing traffic from where a cow had got out of a fence or something. They didn't know what was going on. But the county knew because we had already called them and told him, hey, we're mobile, we're chasing him. Here he is. We're following him. It ain't a high-speed chase or nothing. We're just following him.

And so we finally get him out of the car. He tries out like, we don't know who he are and stuff. When his girlfriend gets in the seat, we get him down to the jail, and his girlfriend's mom shows up. She's pissed. And she starts talking to me. And she goes, well, I don't know why y'all. I had to pull guns on him, this and that. We're like, man, we don't never know what he's going to do.

He tried to run us over. Right. He was trying to get away and run us over. Yeah, but y'all have dealt with him before. I'm like, I have never dealt with him. She goes, yes, you have. You dealt with him. I'm like, no, I'm not.

So I get back home and I start looking through my pictures. And like I said, we've got a lot of people. I've got well over a thousand documented in pictures and files. And we had this credenza that would go almost down this wall in my office. And when we first started and somebody gave us a file. We would take the file and we would be like, oh, put it in here. and get another one put it in here. And we had to do the little short drawer filled up.

Right. And then there's a deep drawer below it. We start working on that drawer. And then we do the other one and then the other one. And then the door's in the middle and the doors on the bottom. And we've got this whole credenza filled up with all these files. I'm like, well, that was fun. And we did burn it all at that point.

But going home and looking through my picture, sure enough, about two years earlier, I had got the same guy. And I had no clue, didn't recognize him. He didn't look much different, but just you see so many people. Yeah. You just don't know. And there was several of them. that I got multiple times.

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