Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Business Owner Speaks Out Against Police Extortion

Episode Date: February 13, 2026

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Like, there was a dude that, like he was like the welder on the welding squad. Literally all that fucking dude did was build smokers. I'd have steel that they bought with, you know, prison material money. Right.

And he'd build every officer, sergeant, lieutenant, whatever, had a fucking badass smoker built by this dude. Toot away. He would even build the trailers for them. Right. And it's just all prison money that's building all this shit. I just always, like, they just

got away with that kind of shit all the time. And like they'd have like their staff appreciation day. And like they have like the same dude that well did like would help them make barbecue. And dude, they'd be like smoking like 36 Boston butts on like just all bought

with taxpayer money. Just like filling up their cars with gas and just Just, you know, name it, man. Just constantly, constantly, constantly doing shit like that. Anyway, my whole thing was just like, get to work, release, get to work release. Where were you working? Well, I was working on an auto body shop called Diamond Auto Painting in Lake Park, Florida. Everything was good, and, like, I got the job and was, like, working there.

And I've always been a hard worker. Like, and I want to know everything about everything. So, like, just the way my mind works. So I'm like, I'm doing paint prep. I'm painting. I'm doing body work. I'm detailing. I'm helping the manager with the weekly business report.

doing like, you know, our gross profit and, you know, taxable, blah, blah, blah. And so around this time, around this time I start, like, having these two officers kind of fuck with me a little bit at the work release center. They start, like, ransacking my room and, like, holding me in from going to work and, like, all that kind of stuff. And I just like, I don't understand why, because I was, like, textbook model prisoner. Right. Like, I go to, I leave for work at 5.45 of the morning, and I'm not back until.

8 o'clock at night, I think. And all I do is I get back at 8 o'clock. I do my chain gang workout. I go do muscle ups and pull-ups and dips and shit. And I take a shower and I go to bed. And I'm saving the next day. So I'm like, why are these guys fucking with me like this? They show up my job a couple times.

They were supposed to do. But they never did before. They only had shown up once before in 10 months. Now they've showed up three times. It's just weird. So, like, we're progressing a long. long and then I'm like telling my bosses and stuff like I don't understand what's going on like these guys are with me so like they'd help me in for work and they would notice that like my boss would come

get me like if I didn't make my bus ride which is a two hour bus ride to work like I call my boss like do these fuckers held me in from work he'd drive over and get me and bring me to work and I like it seemed like that pissed them off like somebody would drive out of their way to get me so these these guys are messing with me and mind you Like I said, I'm like a model prisoner. I'm just working like 12, 13 hours a day coming back to the center. Like going to church on Sundays every Sunday. During that time, like a few months prior to this, like probably July, August or so,

I meet a chick at church. And we kind of start talking just friendly, innocently enough just talking at church. She's not from the female work release center. She's not whatever. She's a free world chick that, as it turns out, as a teacher at the school attached. to the church. And we're talking and it's progressing as time goes on. And, you know, obviously I'm interested in her.

She's smoking hot, you know, tall, blonde chick. And, you know, she ends up becoming my girlfriend. And, you know, like, you're not trying to fuck up. Yeah, I'm not trying to fuck up. I'm like literally on the straight and narrow. I'm done sick and tired of being sick and tired. I've been in and out of institutions since I was 13, 14. Like, I'm done.

I'm not selling any drugs. I'm not doing anything. I'm not even like thinking about doing drugs. I'm like, I just want to like get my shit together. And I met this chick that's awesome. You know, she's a teacher. Like she's an awesome chick. Like the pastor's daughter like from the Midwest, you know, whatever.

So I'm just like on the straight and narrow. And I like telling her like, man, these, I got these officers with me and I can't figure out why. I don't know why they're messing with me. This kind of comes to a head, like I said, like February. And I'm at work one day where I'm doing the weekly business. with my manager Diego and you know we're going through doing our weekly business report and all of a sudden the two officers show up at work and they're like can come out here with us please I'm like yeah and they're like show us where the toolbox is I'm like what are you

talking about they're like the toolbox where you keep your money and I'm like what are you talking about I'm like I don't have a toolbox I'm at work release dude I'm like and I work here like everything's provided by the shop. Like, show us for the tool. Like, where's your little station where you work? And I'm like, well, technically, like, my title, like, I work here. You can see there is a toolbox here, but it's like got 10 years with the dust on it. Like, it's not mine.

I'm like, feel free to look through it. I'm like, there ain't no money. And they're like, listen, I'm going to level with you. We know you're selling blues on the compound. We know you're dealing drugs. And, you know, people are getting high on the compound and we know it's you. And I'm like, I don't know who gave you that information. I'm not doing shit.

I'm like, if you, like, watched me, you would know I create no trouble there. I go to work, I come home. I go to work, I come home. That's it. I'm like, I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm like, all, that's it. And yeah, well, we know, like, we have it on good authority that you're like,

I'm like, how many times you guys ransacked my room and found nothing? Right. Now you're here, you're going to find nothing. I'm like, I'm not doing anything. Like, have you considered maybe whoever told you this? Obviously, somebody told you this. Have you considered maybe that source was wrong? And they're like, no, no, no.

So we're like, oh, you think you're trying to be cute, whatever. Come out here with us. They bring me up by the van, which was parked out front. And they pat me down and put me in the van. And they're like, listen, you're going to pay to play or we're going to take you to jail. And for those that don't know in the joint, like we call it getting taken to jail going to confinement. Right. At least in the state.

I don't know what they do in the feds. that's going to confinement. So I'm like, dude, I don't, like, I don't have nothing for you. So then they, like, grab my wallet. Now, you could draw $100 a week out of your inmate account for Zoom, Zooms and Wham, Whams, or whatever you want to spend the room. So I feel like 90 of the 100 left. So they, like, I'm back outside the van at this point.

So they pluck the 90 out of my wallet and they're like, go back in there and get us some more fucking money and you're going to jail right now. Like, if I don't know what to do, you know, I'd go in there. I know my boss will give me some money to give to them. So I go in there, we had just taken like $370 or so from a bumper job that we did for a guy, and he paid cash. So I go inside and I tell the one officer to go around and go into the shop, I needed to talk to my boss. And I'm like, dude, these guys are extorting me. Like, I need some dough to give these guys.

And he's like, what do you want me to do? Like, very, like, thick accent Diego had. He's going, what do you want me to do, Ryan? Like, I don't have money to give you. And I'm like, give me something out of the till. And so he's like, I have that cash that we just took from the bumper job. I'm like, that should be enough to get them to go away. So he gives me like the $370 or whatever.

I walk out back into the shop. And our shop was in like kind of a high crime area. So like, as I'm walking out to the shop with the dough in my hand, I'm like, wait a minute. I'm going to position this. So he's right on a candid camera. Right. Because we got cameras everywhere. So I.

boom I give it to this one officer right on camera. Why don't you backing it up? The officer I gave it to was Officer Brown. The other officer that's fucking me is a lieutenant. Okay. He's a lieutenant in a white shirt. Right. Like anyway.

There's no, no misidentifying them. Yeah. Or it's pretty obvious what's happening. Yeah. And like it's pretty obvious they've been doing this. Because you wouldn't be this brazen as you're like first time. They've been doing this.

And like I've told people like when I've told the story like, if I was doing dirt, I would have gladly paid those. But like, here you go. Right. Whatever. But I wasn't. So I was kind of like righteously indignant about it. Like here I am trying to like actually live right and like you're shaking me down.

Right. And so I don't have like I'm make, I'm not making enough to keep doing this. Right. Right. So you've given me really one choice. Right. Like either I've got, well, two choices either I've got to start doing it to pay you.

Right. You know, or I got to figure out another way out of this. Right. Or I guess three choices. Or just go to the, you can go to the,

in the feds, it's the shoe. You can go to the hole. You can go to the hole. Right. For doing nothing. Right. I can go to the box.

I got to sell drugs to supplement the income to give them the money. Or I've got to report them somehow and hope that it's not one of their buddies. I give them the money on camera. I walked back out with them to the van

and he was like, listen, we're going to be back Monday for, this is the lieutenant telling me, we'll be back Monday for $500 more, we're going to meet you at that Benjamin Moore store right there across the street around lunchtime. Better have our fucking money, basically. I'm like, they leave. I go back inside.

I'm like, oh, my God, dude. And we call our boss, boss, the actual owner, Bob. And he's like, you call cops, the real cops. Right. And so we call the real cops. And we call our IT guy to come pull the camera footage and shit immediately because it's on a loop. It's not, it gets re-recorded every two hours.

They said in court, like when the shit went to court, that like it was unclear on what he gave the officer. It's clearly money. Right. But whatever. Point is, like, Seth pulled the camera footage and then PBSO, Palmer Sheriff's Office's cop finally comes. And that cop, like when you realize I was on work with, he was a complete dick. Complete dick. What are you going to do when you find out that someone has stolen your house?

Are you going to go down to the county clerk and explain to them that a fraud has been committed? when you can't find the person that committed the fraud? Are you going to go to law enforcement? They're not going to help you. Are you going to go to the government? They're not going to help you. Your only option is to go through the court system on your own and prove to them that a fraud has been committed

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And I was like, hey, maybe you need to get up here right now because I don't know what the fuck is going to happen. But like, I want to see you if something goes down, like get up here. And she had just gotten off work too So she was just like Threw something on throw some yoga pants And hauled ass up there to see me She had gotten there like probably 30 minutes after the cop And by this time I'm sitting down

Like writing my statement out And the cop was a dick All the way up to the point where I handed him My statement and he read it And when he read it He was like making these faces And I'm like what? He was like

Nothing, you're just you're not a dumb ass Right And he's like this is like the best Like the most well written statement I've ever read in my life And I'm like thanks and he's like well no I just like normally guys in your position they're dumb ass and right he's like why are you in prison I'm like drugs do they make you person you're not normally

whatever so then he starts being kind of cool with me and he's like listen did he see the footage you show him the footage yeah he had seen the footage you know and I showed it to him again once he read my statement and then now he's like okay I see what's going on here the beginning footage of them looking through a toolbox and all that too we had all that was on camera them pulling up them walking like we had all that so he's like all right well listen PBS oh probably won't touch this unless it's like a task force thing he's like but he's like would you be willing to wear a wire on these guys when they come back for the extra 500 so you can really you know stup them and I'm like yeah I'm like I don't know I have no

snitch I never snitch on nobody but like snitching on prison guards a prison guard I will snitch on a prison guard all day long. Maybe if they were doing bad shit for me that was for my interest, that would be different. But these guys are trying to... You're shaking me down. They're shaking me down. I'll wear a wire on those fucking assholes any day. I'm like, yeah.

So he's like, well, the FDLE might reach out Monday, like, whatever, whatever. So I'm like, okay, we leave. I leave with my girlfriend. We go get dinner. And I don't know if they're just going to arrest me right when I get into the center. They don't. I go through the whole weekend. is normal. I see her at church

on Sunday. Everything was normal. What's she saying? She's just like, what, like, this is up, like, what do they? They can't do that. Like, this is people that haven't been in the system, you know? I always love when people that haven't been in the system say those words, they can't

XYZ. And you're just like, oh, honey, you're a person. You have no clue what you're talking about. You've watched too much TV. Yeah, they can and they will do whatever the fuck they want. Whenever the fuck they want, however the f*** they want. Legal or not.

So, especially what the corrupt as Florida Department of Corrections is. So fast forward to Monday morning. I'm walking out of the center. It's 5.45 a.m. Mind you, those two, like, this is important detail.

Those two prison shit eaters, they work eight to four 30. I'm walking out of the work release center to go catch my bus. My first of two buses and two hour bus ride it takes to get to my job. I'm walking out at 545,

and as I'm like probably almost a block away, a white van comes up on me. And it's these two, Lieutenant Bow and Officer Brown in a state van in uniform at 545 in the fucking morning when they should not even be on shift yet. Right.

And they're like, get in the van. And I'm like, dude, oh my God. Like, these guys are they going to go kill me and dump me in the Everglades? Like, but I really can't make a scene didn't say no either so I roll with it I'm like I'm like hold the fuck on I got to grab my cigarettes I grab my cigarettes I get in the van and we leave and I'm like they're like we're gonna give you a ride to work and I'm like you know well I try to make them stop as many places as

possible like I stopped and made like a bottle a pack of cigarettes at this one store made sure I'm on camera notated in my brain what store it was and I stopped on another store I'll buy work same thing made sure I'm on camera and like I knew the owner of that store because I stopped there day and I'm like hey you know like you can save this footage for me so anyway they get ready to work the much it's early it would take me two hours to get there on the bus right so we get there and it's super early and we're just like sitting there like do to do playing along with them like I'm going to get them right you know I'm just like waiting for one of my co-workers to get there basically so my one co-worker gets there Eddie who's a great dude but he he'd come in at like seven

and he would always leave early on Friday so He had no clue what happened on Friday. Right. So he comes in between 7 and 7.30, and he didn't know what happened on Friday. So he's empty and trashed in the dumpster when he pulls up. And I'm like, Eddie, it used to be cool. He goes, oh, see, you got a ride this morning, huh? I'm like, that ain't no ride.

I'm like, those are those assholes that keep messing with me. I was like, dude, they shook me down on Friday for money, blah, blah, blah. It's a long story. There's a police report underneath the desk in the office if you want to read it. but like it's it's bad and he's like you know he was a good old boy from north carolina he's like that motherfucker fuckers i'm like i need to stall them because like the fdl e and everybody was supposed to get involved he's like all right so i proceed to like open up the shop and like just kind of go about my day like hold on guys i got to look normal and i stall as long

as humanly possible i stalled for like over an hour i stall stall stall stall stall stall stall stall stall and finally the lieutenant is just like you're stalling we're gonna take grass to you're Hold on, hold on, I go, all right, I'm done playing. I go back there. Eddie is on the phone with 911 at this point. And I'm like, I'm like, dude, they're going to take me in, whatever. Eddie's like, take my phone, talk to the dispatch. He's to go lock yourself in one of the cars.

If they try to come in here, I'll scare them out of here. So, like 15 minutes go by, and I hear Eddie start yelling. And what I didn't know is, like, they're looking around trying to find me in. They looked in like one of Eddie's things, and Eddie pulls his gone. on him. And because Eddie keeps the freaking 45 in his toolbox. Right.

He's getting to f*** out my shop right now. And they're like, oh, we're just trying to help Ryan because he's got money he's not supposed to have. And we're going to deposit in his in his inmate account. But they are brazen, right? Brazen is, man. And Eddie's like, that doesn't make enough sense.

Like, how would that make any sense? You're going to help him? He's like, get to fuck out of my shop right now. So I'm in like a Jeep Grand Cherokee, like down on the floor board, like talking to 911, like trying to explain what had happened Friday to her. And it's just, it's a nightmare. They find me in this Grand Cherokee.

And they're pounding on the window. I was like, get out. After a few minutes, the SO cop car pulls up. So as the regular cop car pulls up, I jump out of the Cherokee, I said, listen, sir, you can arrest me right now, cuff me up. Like, I'll go wherever you, take me to county, take me wherever. I just don't want to go anywhere with them. I'm in fear for my life. So he immediately

Cussed me up, throws me in the cop car He's like trying to talk to Bowen Brown Who like you can see like steam Coming out of their ears as they're like Trying to figure out a way to like make this make sense Right Because they've not thought of backstories To tell other cops

You know So they're like oh yeah we We're gonna you know do the thing for the stuff And the who's he what's it And the watcherjiggers and you know And the cops like Okay okay yeah he's a word of the state I'm gonna give him back to you

So like he makes a big scene opens the back door and then like leans in he's like Mr. Anderson we were literally wiring up your boss at the Kmart around the corner and he's like these guys thwarted the plan

he's like we don't know why they picked you up early or what he's like but unfortunately he's like your boss is actually going to come here and try to be like hey can I just give you some money to squash all this maybe they'll take it maybe they won't and he's like if it would have a nice to scald a little bit longer like he's telling me this really fast

stuff. He's like, well, listen, I've got to let you go with them. He's like, but just know, you're being followed. He's like, if you go back to the center, we're going to be watching. Nothing's going to happen to you. Like, we're not going to let them kill you or nothing. Yeah, you don't know that. Exactly. Like, they could have killed me in that van and nobody would know at least until that was dead. They could take you in the hole and do any number of things to you and say, psh, we found him. He hung himself. Right. Well, first, they had to take me back to the work with me sitting there. They could have strangled me with a seatbelt in the fucking van instead.

I'm saying that doesn't mean that once you're in the place. Oh, even worse. It's even worse. Yeah. So at any rate, they give me back to them and then now they're like, ha ha, you thought you're going to get over on us. I'll show you. Like, I have way more power than you.

Like, you're going to lose all your gain time. You're going to give you a line to staff, DR. I'm going to give you a da-da-da-da-da-d-R. Whatever. I'm like, fuck you. Both of you, you know. And in the end. we start driving back to the center

or no we're about to start driving back to the center Diego my my manager comes up as like hey can I just give you guys like a thousand bucks we'll just squash this all right there was smart enough to be like no no because like too much had happened we drive back to the center and I'm like so nervous the whole ride back like matter of fact the guy officer brown was sitting behind me

because the officer beau douche was like if he tries anything funny wrap that seatbelt around his neck strangle his ass. Literally, like, told him to do that. And which he didn't do, but could have happened. We get back to the center, and we're back at the center. They put me in the officer station, and they immediately, like, go off to the side and go try to figure out their stories. There's some officers working that know me.

They know I don't cause any trouble. And they're like, Anderson, the fuck. Then Bo comes back in, and he tells us, one officer, officer, Campbell. He's like, hey, listen, Campbell, I need you to put that we signed out the van at 0-800, right at 0-800. Right. And then we just got back, you know, right now. And Campbell's like, but you didn't. You were already gone when we got here.

And he's like, just do it. Like, I'm the lieutenant. Just do it. And like, when he walked away, I liked Campbell. I painted his car. I'm like, don't do it. Camel, my lawyer's going to have a field day of this shit. I was like, I promise you, you don't know what's in motion here,

but shit's about to go down. And he's like, shit. You think they'd do anything for my black ass, man? I'm going to do that cracker. I'm about doing shit for him. And, like, literally, like, no student. do he say that maybe five minutes later like the doors of the center like fly open and it's like

the warden the Florida State Inspector General PBSO FDLE like all those people and they're like where's Ryan Anderson where's Ryan Anderson like where's he at? They like make sure that I'm okay and they're like get him out of handcuffs right now blah blah blah and they're like where's Bow and Brown at and they were like at the there's a road prison right next door to the work release

they're like at the road prison like off in a corner or like talking. So they grab them. You start questioning everybody and everything, but like there's a lot of damning evidence against them already. Right. Because their story already doesn't make sense. Yeah, it makes no sense.

At the very least, you've already lied on a police report. Right, right. Which is at the very least enough for them to get fired. Right, right. Let alone, you know, charged. I think you can get two or three years for lying on a police report. And it's worse when it's an official making that kind of thing.

So I get questioned about the FDLE and all these people and all that. And they're just kind of corroborating what I've already. already said and then the real kick in the ass about this thing is like I was good at work release instead of letting me stay and finish out my last 55 days or whatever that I had left when this all went down they send me back to Martin Correctional again which oversees West Palm work release by this time they put me in AC confinement so I'm an administrative confinement in the box and I just like like I'm back there for like 40, 45 days, I think, when I didn't do anything wrong, you know.

So I was going to say, you know, what's funny is like the warden of the prison has the right to release you. Exactly. Like the warden, they could have just gone and explained it to the warden. He could have said, okay, you know what? Do you have somewhere to go? Right. Like, we're going to send you home. Like, you're done.

Right. It's 45 days. You're done. You're safer at home. Which is exactly. I actually, when I got interviewed with the FDA Lee, I actually suggest that my, Like they can't just do an emergency release. It's 45 days.

It's nothing. That's a joke. It's really nothing. Locked up for years. Exactly. I asked like that and I was just like, and then when they said that they were going to send me to Martin, I was like, you guys are like playing with my life. You don't know what buddies they have at Martin or whatever that could make me to death back there in the box. Like anything could happen.

But no, I do my 45 of my last 60 days in the box. Then I go to Bell Glade for like my last 15 days or whatever, 14 days. then I get out I get out and once I'm out like this this whole case and everything has just been like crazy

my girlfriend It's been in the newspaper Right? Yeah Because the articles I read In the newspaper Yep So by this point

They've arrested the guys Have they charged them and everything They've Not by the time I got out Okay The arrest came later However Like my girlfriend

Like Once I get sent to the box And everything She's just like beside herself and she's like feverously writing me trying to figure out where I'm at. The FDLE had questioned her and then they like questioned her and then like when they sent me to the box I think I think they like told her they didn't know where I was at which freaked her out. She had no way to talk to me to know. She's like what the fucking what do you mean? You don't know where he's at.

So anyway, all these things happen and it's just like a whirlwind of hurry. It's like something out of a bad B movie, you know. And, you know, we're going through the whole Kittenaboodle here. Are they ever going to charge these guys? Like, no, I'm out. Are they ever going to charge these guys? Like, what the fuck? I knew they were suspended, like, right away.

Right. Without pay. Well, finally, I want to say it was like, so I got out April, I got out Tax Day, 2013. I want to say it was like September. They finally officially charged both of them. With, like, official misconduct. and a couple other things.

And so, they arrest them, they charge them. The white shirt guy got a good lawyer, Michael Salonick. He's pretty good. He gets pretty good lawyer.

Brown doesn't, has like a public pretender. And, like, you need, doesn't do shit for him. So, anyway, I end up

hearing they get arrested. I'm like, finally, yeah, they get arrested. And just to show you like how slow the wheels of justice

move in our system. If it was me, I would have been on trial in three months. Right. Because these guys were pregnant guards. It was three years before

one of them went on trial, which was the lieutenant. They wanted to always try the lieutenant first because they're like, you know, some may say our case is weaker on the lieutenant, but like that guy. He's a white shirt. Like, fuck him. So, like, he's higher up, whatever.

So long and short, we end up going to a trial. And I think his lawyer would deposition and all this and his lawyer is very clear his lawyer is going to be like, attack my credibility, attack my credibility, attack my credibility. I wish it was recorded because I mopped the fucking floor with his lawyer.

I'm, I mop the fool. I made him look like a fool. I have a good memory and stuff, but he tried every way to trip me up and get me to, you know, get a rise out of me and stuff. And I just, I mopped the floor with that fool. And even the other, the dude,

Bo, like, at one point it was like, can you identify that man? the courtroom and I was like yeah he's a guy over there with the with the cheap men's warehouse suit on and the bad hair piece or whatever right and like the whole courtroom was like it was pretty funny he gets convicted at trial bam on everything the judge like oh I got to do like my victim impact statement and I wrote like a solid gold impact statement right which part of it was just like me trying to rub it in but part of it really was like I'm trying to change my fucking life Yeah, like I really, truly is trying to change my life.

Like, now mind you, when it finally went to trial three years later, that girl that was my girlfriend is now my fucking wife. Right. We got married and I'm just like working my ass off to get my shit together. The ex-girl had, you know, that I was with before I went to prison a second time, our restitution was joint in several. Who do you think had to get stuck paying all the restitution? This guy.

and by the time the three years had elapsed, I had already gotten off probation, paid off all my restitution to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars, gotten married, like all this shit. Like all I was trying to do was get my shit together, man. That's it. I wrote this impact statement that was just pretty much like a big, you, and like you're entrusted for the...

You're in a position of trust. You're supposed to be keeping me... Part of it is... Part of it is, you know, yeah, you're a jailer. You're supposed to keep me incarcerated, and following the rules. But you're also supposed to, you're, you're entrusted with my safety. Yes, yes. So.

And so, yeah, they, I forget what the, there's like a three Cs or something. It's like care, something in control, care, comfort of control, care, care, something rather than control, like the, the DOC uses. Yeah, they just violated all that shit. And like, the one guard, the officer Brown, I don't. Like, almost fell bad for him. I didn't, but almost because he was like Bo's puppy dog. Right.

I guarantee you that pussy would have never done that without Bo. He's a pussy. And so, but like falling in Bo around, like, you know, I can make a couple hundred raggedy ass dollars. Well, how many people were, I mean, how long had they done that and for, and what, I mean, what is your, what do you think? Because you're not, you're clearly not the first person they'd ever done that too. I think that Bo had been doing it for years. Right. It was like almost as long as he's been working at the center.

Brown hadn't been an officer long enough. I think I was probably one of the first people that he ever, like. And it went way wrong. It went way wrong. Lost his career over it. So once Bo got convicted, Brown took a deal. Loss his career and got like, he was just barely like at that point where they get a vest. Right.

I think it's like three or five years. years for them so they're just barely getting the vest so he lost everything not to mention like all the time he was out on all the time he was out on admin leave and all that kind of shit so like that that's basically what happened and like after it happened like I had other guys but yeah they were making me pay rent too but the thing was like those guys wouldn't come forward because they were doing shit yeah yeah you know what I mean so it's like uh and yeah dude it's just the Florida system is so, so corrupt. Like, I can, like, go on, on, on about it.

But that's a story for another time. But, like, the fact that, you know, he only got a few years, too, is just a noise the fuck out of me, too. Like, that guy deserved to get 10 years because he was also a piece of shit to prisoners. Right. You know, from being the feds, too,

like, we're already doing time. Right. That's our fucking punish me. You don't need to be punitive, too. Right. Yeah. You don't need to be extra, you know? I like the guy.

guys like the guys that the correctional officers that are basically it's just a job right they show up they do their job they leave it's the guys that get there and they want to they want to talk down to you they want to they want to belittle you and and make your life much much harder they want to write up incident reports for things that didn't happen right or you know i've seen got you know they'll go in it there's all those stupid things. You'll lie on you. I'm not even talking about guys that'll plant stuff.

Like you don't have to plant someone to give them a hard time, plant stuff on. You can just go in and flip their bed. Like people don't realize like I've got to sell. If the guard walks in and he flips my bed over or just pulls, he can just mess it up and write a report.

Boom. Guy didn't have, you know, this inmate didn't have his bed, you know, in good shape. Or maybe I've seen guys get written up because the guy,

two cells down borrowed a newspaper and he went to return it and he put it on the guy's bed boom inmate has something on his bed like i didn't put it on my bed right somebody else did and you write me up and now i lose 30 days commissary or i get you know something happens to me or maybe you don't maybe you'll lose your two-man room and now you're in a three-man room and you're like it took me two years to get into a two-man room because i lent a paper to jimmy and jimmy wasn't smart enough to realize you shouldn't have thrown it on my bed you should have handed it back to me so and you know i did you know i did you know i did you didn't do that. I was at work.

When I left, my bed was fine. When I came back, you've written me a report, you've written me an incident report because Jimmy, when I was at work through it on my paper, like, it's so unfair. And people think, oh, well, what's the big deal? The big deal is it took me two years to get a two-man cell. I was comfortable. I did nothing wrong. Right. And now I'm going to a three-man cell with two other guys. That would be uncomfortable. That's extremely uncomfortable. And, you know, it's just this, and people don't, you know, they don't realize how you hear about these guys who were like this guy got stabbed because he he lost the guy's book like a guy I lent him my Game of Thrones book and he lent it to somebody else and that guy got

shipped or he gave it to somebody now they can't find it and next thing you know they get somebody gets stabbed over it and you're like god you stabbed him over a book you know you don't seem to understand what happened that's not that's not the book like there's a whole other your priorities are so shifted the things that mean nothing out here that you wouldn't think twice about are so overwhelmingly important. You make decisions and you do things that you would never do on the street until you've been there for four or five years. It still seems silly.

But four or five years later, it's not silly. You know, you can't talk to me like that. You can't say that. You can't do this. You need to return that. That's why, like, to me, luckily, I was sharp enough not to get into those. I don't lend things. I don't do this.

I don't borrow this. I don't do this. I just don't have it. I don't lend it. I don't give it. I don't this. I don't borrow anything. I'll do without.

No, I'll go without coffee for a week. I don't need to borrow coffee. I'm good. Yeah. You know, like across the board, there's all these little things that just kept me out of trouble because I saw things go so wrong for other people. Little tiny nuances that are a big deal. Yeah.

A big deal, you know, or can be. And a lot of it is just respect things. Yeah. Like it just boils out of respect. A lot of a basic level. A lot of it's disrespect. respect respect respect and then so many other things too like I'm going to borrow from you I'm like to pay you interest like you like I'll go without you know and I'm not gonna you I'm just not going to do that you know

and I I just say I've even bought stuff for some for people and they're like no no I'll get you back no no right this is yours you don't know you don't know you want to give me some of those back's fine that's fine it's up to you but what you know right this is yours I'm buying it for you right it's yours yeah it's yeah yeah i bought a guy like you know like a toothpaste one time because he's using the regular toothpaste all the time i know he had money in and i bought it boom the bob worker yeah exactly it's better for fission metal than it is for doing your teeth right but yeah it's just it's a horrible it's a horrible situation just what's your your priority i'm trying i wish i could think of a way to say it your your priorities are so skewed and so

up after being in prison just a little period of time. And I've seen guys that just, they don't, they get, they get themselves into trouble right away. Oh, yeah, right away. They don't let a chance. Crash test done you right away. Yeah, and you're just like, bro, what'd you do? Like, you got here, you're, within a week, you're running up debts, you're borrowing money. Like, you're doing everything wrong.

You try and tell him, they, they, nah, that guy's good, bro. No, he's not good. You don't know that guy. Now, we're from the same neighborhood. That doesn't mean anything. You're doing way too much. Right. Calm down.

Like, stop what you're doing. A couple little white kids get themselves in trouble that way. Like, just, oh, man, he's so nice. He, like, let me this. I'm like, did you not watch the Honeybund video, bro? Like, come on. Like, this is, like, prison 101. Didn't we, you weren't paying attention to the Honeybud video, were you?

Guys used to say, what's the difference between the low and the medium? I say in the, you have to have heard me say that I'd say, in the medium, if a leaves the Snickers bar on your pillow, don't touch it. In the low, you can eat it. You'll be fine. Right, right, right, right. Nobody's going to do anything. They're walking around tough guys.

They're acting like badasses and stuff. But for the most part, you'd have to really give them a reason. Yeah, you'd have to really, really give them a reason to go after you, for the most part. If you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be. Whether you're having trouble falling asleep, you're waking up sweating in the middle of the night or all of the above. That's where ghost bed can help. As the makers of the coolest beds in the world, Ghostbed is your go-to for cooling mattresses,

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five. It's a level seven. Yeah, yeah, whatever. Like, or whatever. Like, but you've also just got some places that are wilder than others and you've got to know how to move and know how to do your time. This is the same thing. Like there's guys that would be, And listen, like the low and Yazoo is worse than the medium at Coleman. You know what I mean?

Like that's, it's, of course, of course. And the low here, like, if you're a sacked offender, like, don't even, don't even look in the window of the TV room as you walk by. Right. You know, like, they keep their heads down. They don't. You know, in the low, these guys, these guys would actually come in. Some would just stand outside the window and they'd look. Sometimes there were sometimes when they'd actually go.

in and watch a program. Like they'd have to really petition to be able to watch a program. But it happens. These are sex offenders? Yeah, these are the sacks offenders. But this is a low. 50% of them are sex offenders. What are you going to do?

You know, there's too many of them. Right. But you think about in other institutions like these guys are walking around. They're staring at the ground. They eat last. They did. And it could be even a higher, it could be even a lower custody. It just depends on who's running it.

Like just because it's what happens at, a low in California is vastly different than what's going to happen at a low in in Florida. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Like for state side for defenders and like me personally, it's like pretty much smash on site or check in. I didn't even get into that part of like my own story. But like so I'm a survivor of that. There's a couple people in my neighborhood that I grew up in.

There was like actually not one but two. like pretty prolific I know now right offenders that molested numerous boys in my neighborhood like numerous ones of us

and we all didn't know that he got a bunch of us until later and it fucked up like a whole generation of kids like actually because he got so many of us and so like for me from that perspective like I personally put a lot of people shit on the

glass like you know you get those like dorky usually do a little dorky little white boy or something they all they have that they got a look man they do a little f***le it's usually just a little weasel it's usually just a little weasley little dude and you're just like paperwork and if they don't have paperwork you know you're like my lawyer told me not to talk about my case you're gonna get smashed yeah put your put your shit on the glass how about that like or like i worked at maintenance when i was at franklin and i don't want to say how but we had a way to like you know, not even with a cell phone and it wasn't, we had a cell phone, we had a way to look

up people's DOC record and like, I remember there was this like, this dude that was like he would run ink and stuff, he was like, goddamn good tattoo artist, but I overheard him a few times in line, like on the way of the child, be like, oh, yeah, look at her,

look at him or whatever. He's like talking to some other dude, like, I'd like, just take that or whatever, whatever. and I'm like this guy this thumbs up with this

fucking guy so I decided to look his ass up he's in for an L&L on a victim under 12 and like

and everybody was like kind of like oh he's a fucking outlaw biker the and maybe he was he had the tattoo

and shit but I don't give a fuck I personally was like put your fucking shit on the glass and I had printed it out

the printout and smuggled it back in I was like, you get your shit out in the glass. And he's like, I ain't no fucking sander. And I'm like, listen, dude, put your shit on the fucking glass. And he, like, started to refuse at first. I said, listen, I'm going to really throw you under the bus now. And I was like, I'm just going to do something.

And you're going to see why you need to put your shit on the glass. And I just pasted it up on the officer station. And everybody immediately got to see that he not only was there for an L&L and a victim under 12, but he was a multiple time defender. Right. He's a fucking prolific defender. And like, I'm one of those people. Like, I believe that people can't change if they put enough work in.

However, offenders can't be rehabilitated. Like, what anybody says does, cannot be rehabilitated. All they want to do is figure out a way to get away with it. They're not like drug addicts and gambling addicts and fraud addicts. Right. You know, who can change. Like, that's like a switch or something is fucked up in their head that they are attracted to my nurse

it can't be fixed. They might as well just Jimmy Rice act all of them put them in a fucking island somewhere. Send them all to Epstein's Island or some shit. Like I don't know. Like just do something with them. You know, it's just they can't be rebuilt. I don't care what anybody says. You just can't. But anyway, I digress.

Right. It's just really sickening to me the way those people up. But like, and I've heard that about the feds though that the low sometimes are just like. Well, because there's so many that are arrested. Exactly. And what's happening, they'll go in, they'll get these guys that are, you know, they'll arrest

45 guys on one case. They'll arrest, because they're doing internet crimes. So there's so many of these guys feel comfortable in the Intergram, they're looking up stuff. They're just looking up photos. And so if you even have looked it up and have it on your computer, you're getting three years mandatory. That's it, three years.

So you, so they flooded all the lows. They can't, you know, it's not, they don't consider it like a violent crime so they're not going to the mediums but they can't go to a low because there's because because of public public safety so you can't they has to be a fit so it's a low you're only going to the lows so the lows are are packed full of them wow and and so now you they just fill them up fill them out fill them up and and you know what do you do and then just recently about a year or so ago

the halfway houses started taking them again in florida because florida used to not allow allow them in halfway houses. They're not allowed to go to work release. Right. For like states. But they've locked up so, you know, it's like, okay, great, you're going out, you're getting them, you're doing something, that's great, but you've only, that's only half the problem.

Now where do they go? Well, that's because the motherfucker's no time either. That's what really irks me too. Like, I'm about the feds. I was going to say, in the feds, here's the problem. So if you actually could be a hands-on offender in the state, and you can get probation. Right. But if you looked at a picture in the Fed, you're getting three years.

Now, if you have multiple pictures, you can. you'd end up with three, six, nine. You could end up with 50. There are guys that have 15 years because they had a video or they went to whatever. And it's like, okay, but he didn't get a hold of anybody. This guy got a hold of someone. And he got 12 months in the state and five years paper. It's like, are you serious?

This guy yanked somebody into a van. Right, right, right, right, right. This guy looked at some pictures. I'm not saying either one of them is acceptable, but 15 years versus 12 months. What are he doing? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever as far as I'm concerned. But I've just noticed, you get somebody that pawns some shit, you give them five years, four years, whatever it may be. You got a guy that, you know, got an L&L on somebody under 12 and they get into 24 months.

Right. They may have a lifetime probation after, but it's still like. Well, I think, you know, the problem is, is that for, it is a, it's a, it's a, it's a tough situation. And the problem is, for some people, it'll never be enough time. You're never going to get a consensus on what constitutes enough time, you know? If you're a little old lady And you lost Half a million dollars

Of your life savings To a white collar criminal Some people are saying He's a white collar criminal But if it's her She's saying give him life Right Right right right

You know So if I give him life What do I give the murderer What do I give the So it's a it's a balancing act It's also just because I don't believe There can be rehabilitated

That always sways my thing Well I think And here's the other problem With My opinion on that is like, now we have to house them. Like, kind of like what the judge said, like how much resources can you throw?

And you can't march them off to the, you know, to the gun range. So it's like, you know, not that there's not a whole, not that I don't think that that vote would pass, but nobody wants to even put it up for a vote. Right. So it's like you're like, it's such a, there's just no good solution.

No, no. Like, that's why like there always needs to be like a place that they go. You want to know, and I can grade their own food. You know, they can be completely up. Off grid. It's fine. You know.

Right. You know. Parents can threaten to send their children there when they're bad. There would be a whole, there would be a whole, there'd be a whole genre kind of set up just around that whole thing. You know, people would write books. I think so. It would be, yeah. Yeah, it would turn into, it would turn into the boogeyman.

Oh, yeah. It'd be like my parents tell me they're going to give me to the gypsies. Right. When I was kidding. We're going to give me the gypsy. What the fuck are even are the gypsies? I don't even know what the gypsies are, but the fact that you guys are threatening me with me? Yes.

I don't know. Yes. They would tell us that all the time. Like, we're going to give me to the gypsies. I'm like, the fuck even are the gypsies. The Hungarians, the weird English people, like the Brad Pitt and Snatch. I love that movie. Yeah, that's a great movie.

But, yeah, I mean. Well. Yeah. What are we? Are we good? You feel good? I think so. Okay. I think so. And I can tell Kevin, I can tell Kevin is having some problems. He is. I was like, like, try what I can tell you was. I feel bad because I know he doesn't have any food in his stomach.

Yeah. Yeah. So the, the story behind that is these guys had a bad meal last night. And they spent a good portion of last night being sick at the hotel. And this morning, being sick and when I got the phone call this morning it was like I think we're good we're on our way there's nothing left in our stomachs we're good but Kevin who's watching is gone to the bathroom what has been good but has gone the bathroom several times and not obviously not doing well so I thought of a title for a book when I was in prison I was like you know I'm going to like write a memoir and just call it weird shit and amazing tales like my life in times as a degenerate drug addict in South Florida

and it's a pretty good I was a great title yeah I think it's a pretty good title and now I'm putting it on the internet so some other asshole I read it but I always thought it was to be a good title though and just like put a bunch of like my dad's stories and shit in there because there's numerous so but yeah yeah I was your dad's story sound like my cousin's story of a cousin who is addicted to meth and was in prison,

has been prison in and out of prison for meth, and manufacturing meth. Oh, geez. And so he, he just, he had one story after another. And his stories were, they were great, right. They were hilarious. And I remember one time he said, I, man, and just the way he talks, man, I had a credit card one time.

I couldn't break it. I couldn't break it. It was a corporate card, and I could just buy and buy and buy. I used this thing for weeks. I couldn't break it. He goes, my girlfriend, he goes, the girl I was seeing, she said, baby, baby, take me into the store and let me, give me some diapers. So I go and we fill up the cart with diapers, and I swipe the card and it's good,

and we're walking out with the, you know, with the cart filled with diapers, and the manager comes out. And he runs up to him and he goes, and he says, hey, hey, we got to come back in the store. You got to come back in the store. We've got to talk about this. And he's like, and he's like, wait a minute, wait a minute. So the guy says, he says, man, come on, man, let me just take the diapers. Let me go.

Let us go. And he goes, no, you should have, he was, oh, oh, you should have thought about that. And he looked at him, he said, I, okay. And he pulls, and he's got a, he's got a gun. My cousin's got a gun. Pulls up, pulls out the gun and puts his hand on the gun. He said, he said, you know what? He said, help her put those diapers in the fucking back of that truck.

And the guy's like, oh, wait a minute. I got a kid. I got a wife. And he goes, oh, you should have thought about that. And he loads them up and tells him to kick rocks, they get in the car and they leave. Fuck, that's all. But, you know, he says, it's just one story after another.

It's like every one of them's hilarious. Yeah, I just, there's those people out there just. On the fringes. Yeah, that are full of them. My dad's like a Florida man without being a Florida man. He's from Connecticut, but he's. I don't think you have to be born here to be a Florida man. I feel like you have to just reside.

From a native's perspective, I don't think you have. have to be born here to be in Florida man and like Florida's full of up people from Ohio that's like oh you're up from Ohio come to Florida you know Tim Dorsey used to say that in all of his books that like all the f*** up people from Ohio like George is great you know the popular books and the joint shit so hey I appreciate you guys watching the interview do me a favor hit the subscribe button hit the bell so get notified of videos like this I appreciate you guys watching thank you very much see you