Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - CAREER CRIMINAL SHARES INSANE CRIME STORIES

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

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Still in Tachy cabs. Like, if we break in the house, I'm the one sliding through the window coming out with jewelry and phones. Ah, bust out the door. Biological dad, he wasn't in the picture and shit. So when we moved to playfield, we moved to playfield, and my mom met this ex-military guy. I think he was in, was Desert Storm in like the 80s or the 90s? like whatever war was like right before and i'm old enough early early early uh late 80s early was desert storm desert storm all right so my mom had met this dude named thomas and shit um

real millicent dude he was like ex-military and shit when she moved the plane for i was only like three four and shit and he was like like my first stepdad and shit you feel me so there was like there was like there was always a male figure so my mom My mom was one of those, like, so my mom's, like, real high yellow, super pretty, extra feminine, you feel me? So humble and soft-spoken and just like a sweetheart. So all the guys love me, you feel me, but I can dead ass say as a 32-year-old, man, I've only seen my mom with, like, three guys, you feel me? And they all were around. They all played a significant part in my life, like, I'm saying, as a male role model, you feel me?

So the first one was Thomas. That was from like, I was like, probably like from like four years old to like nine. He was real like militant and shit. I just got to clean my room a lot, like clean my room, make sure the floor was swept. Like, and I was, I don't want to call it a troubled kid. I don't want to call it what they call it what they called me. I don't want to say I was in trouble. I believe I was just more so

misunderstood and my expression was definitely misdirected but like I used to have a lot of trouble in school and shit I've stayed fighting stay fighting you feel me because my real name is Kelsey you feel me like my rap name is swag and shit for my real name is Kelsey which is a girl name like

so I got teased for that oh Kelsey and then I was a high yellow high pitched voice kid you feel me real small shit like I was in run you feel me so it was like everything school I went to, bro, I got picked on. And I had a little sister. I didn't have a little sister. So it was like, I have a little sister. So nobody comes to, nobody comes to my rescue. There's nobody that's

going to come see me. If a bully comes and bullies me or beats me up or you feel me like all of this environmental conditioning over the years turn me into who you see right now. it really but so we gonna get there so um the early years so i went that like um evergreen elementary is like an elementary school like right around a corner from my career and i would go there and shit and i remember like one of the first instances i had i got in trouble at school and because my mom was a teacher if i would get suspended that would quit her because who the It's going to watch me. She's a teacher.

She has to, like, when I'm going to school, she's, she's going before us. You feel me? So it's like, who's going to watch me? And then my stepdad at the time, he was a golf caddy. So he would, like, go to the golf course, the country club and shit like that. And he would be, like, doing my caddy in and shit like that. He'd get paid every day. So, like, if I got suspended this shit, it was like, all right, I bet.

I'm going to take off. And, like, it was things happening to me that my mom didn't know all the way. until like maybe like this year like early this year you feel like you feel me like my punishment from bro was crazy like as a man now but i would never i would never do that to the child i would never you feel me like punish a boy like that you feel me like i would get ass with this bro like real ass whoopins like ah you know how like in a black culture you know you know they won't they kids ass we'll have any kids to speak they buts you feel me but that's like a part of the discipline in black culture, right?

But it's a difference between the spanking and a fucking ass whooping, bro. Like, all right, so I remember, like, I got in trouble. I got suspended and shit, and my punishment, I had to clean the house, and I was used to that. I'm like, I, I'll clean and shit. And this time, because I had got to a fight, and not only was it just a fight, after the fight, I didn't stop. You feel me?

Like, he didn't punish me. It wasn't like, oh, you're being punished because you fought. You're being punished because you fought, and after the fight, you didn't stop. You fought authority. You fought your teachers. The cops came. You ran from the school. You got caught.

You ran from me. Your mom going to come home. You're probably going to run away from your mom. I'm feeling with your ass. And it was like, take off all your clothes. You feel me? Get ass naked. Like, you feel me?

And it was like a bunk bed that I shared with my cat. right so i had a cat named pepper i had the bottom bunk because pepper just took over the top bunk and had all her fucking fur up there and shit so i remember like i'm bringing that up because like i remember pepper being on the fucking uh top bunk one time i was about to get an ass whooping and pepper's just looking at me and she's like like her eyes just looked like well she's though it's dead and she like you know cats are weird this hell she jumped off the bed and just exited the room and I take all my clothes off and shit and bro would make me put my arms on the top bump like this you feel me and you're like all right you suspended for seven days you

get seven lashes if your arms lead at top bump they turn into 14 any time your arms lead that if you get hit and your arms move you get in you getting seven more and it'll start you feel me and it'd be like I took one no oh you think of bullshit now you got it you see me now you now you got now you got 15 more coming you did you got you got seven more so you got the seven that you got you got the six right now and you got the seven and I like that shit will last bro for mad long bro and I never would say anything I was never saying anything so one day my mom uh one day my sister got in trouble well sis got in trouble my mom's only girl you feel me and he disciplined her and when he did it

it was like he was like real like firm and he grabbed my little sister up and my mother said and my mother was watching you feel me and she's just like sitting back just like chaw see how far the shit would go real quick, you feel me? And she was like, no, I'm saying she checked them on that shit. Like, and I was shocked. I'm like, oh, shit. I'm getting whooped, too.

Right. He just grabs this. Like, I'm getting whooped. I'm getting whooped. Like, and I ain't say it, but I'm like, oh, shit. And I remember one day I told my mom, I'm like, yo. So remember, I told you his name was Thomas. So this is how, this is environmental conditioning, right?

It just goes to show you how, like, the adolescent mind thinks. My mom called him baby, you know what I'm saying? As kids, we don't need to fuck that means. Like, I'm an adult now. I know when I call a girl baby, like, that's my baby. Like, she called me baby. I'm a baby. She always said, baby then.

So we thought that was this motherfuckin name. We called him baby. Like, so I'm like, baby hit me. I let her know one day, like, yo, baby, baby, like, he'd be hitting me, mom. Like, she said, what you mean to be? And I'm like, I shoulder my back, because I had just got an ass with him like two and three days ago, you feel me? And she's like, what?

She told him off, you feel me? And it was like, I don't know to this day. And it's crazy because it's crazy I get to talk about this shit. I ain't never talk about none of this shit, bro. That's crazy. I hear. He's like fucking podcast gets to be a therapist real quick, bro. Hey, this is Matt Cox.

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feel me? Thomas was a good dude, you feel me? He was a real good dude. He was a good dude to my mom and made me, you feel me, but he just looked at my eyes, like, because he ain't, like, that's, I guess, I don't know, I'm not making excuses for him, but he's in Desert Storm. The fuck, you know what that means, so, you feel me? Like, I'm a man now, and I understand the hardships of being a man. I don't give a fucking black, white, Spanish, purple, what the fuck ever we met out here this shit's hard we don't get a pass you feel me but it's no excuse to be the child so after that shit it started like my mom and thomas started like uh getting like breaking up and shit and i don't know i never said this to anybody like but till this day i feel like that was

my fault I feel like I feel like it was like damn like when I said that it kind of fucked up what my mom had going on and shortly after that like she'll never admit it yo but I know my mom like started dibbling and dabbling with that bullshit again you feel me all my soul ready I mean I'm not saying that though it's my mom but we getting all the way to why I am and who I am what I am today you feel that shit you fuck about nobody we talk about me

so we gotta talk about what got to me you feel me but yeah like and shit started getting hard after that

so we moved from this spot 318 west 7th street to 346 Franklin and Putnam they called

that shit to nom you feel me that shit was called nom because puttum you feel me put nom

and shit was real on that block you feel me and this was after we you know what I'm saying and shit started getting real. I ain't had no male figure no more with my mom. Like we

like we walk in back and forth in the cool. She's taking us to school and just so much shit happened. I don't really know how to like keep it like ordered and categorized but I just know like the feeling of everything that was happening. Like I just remember as a child

having to go to a shelter as shit And, like, going to churches, you get food from the church and mad different shit that my mom, real life kept, like, real low. You feel me? But I remember, like, even though I was a little kid, I was a little boy, like, I always just, like, look at my mom and be like, yo, I can't let nothing happen to my mom. I look at my little sister and be like Kobe. I can't let nothing happen to my little sister, Nicole. I called Colby to the day because when she was born, I ain't.

know how to see. She's like Nicole. My mom was like, say Nicole. And my mom said, I was like, call me. To this day, I never called it. She's still just cool. But so now we get to like that stage of my life. And when we come out, going to school, there's always this lady sitting on the steps with a safety pin digging in her nose while it bleeds and shit. Like literally, like I'm just showing, I'm giving you the visuals of my life. Like, the fuck i don't know why there was a lady on the steps but now as a grown man the lady on the steps was a cracket she had a addiction when she didn't get her fix she would you know me with her nose and niggins she used to just be bleeding like we going to school and walking through all this

shit like the fuck going on and i get the school burn ain't ain't gonna hold you like it's not even on no cliche shit i'm just looking back as a man Man, like, I couldn't fucking focus. And they go on no ABCs and no six to the third power and shit. Like, my mind filled with mad shit. And then on top of that, I got mental impairments at the time that I don't even know. I don't even, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, the government in society is saying, well, you're bipolar.

You have, what the fuck they say, bipolar, fucking, uh, 88. They of course they did they give all kids that I'm the shit they try to see now as an adult bipolar of Just so like I'm dealing with shit. I ain't even know at the time bro. So I'm raging out in school Every time I turn around bro. I'm getting suspended at this point now it's like or I'm getting suspended for fights Disrespecting the teachers bro. I got expelled from school first time I got kicked out of school that was second grade I put my I say first time I got kicked out of school it was second grade I put the mittens on my teacher in the fit and rage like it's like some bars from one of my songs like bro I sock the teacher I've never forget it his name was mr.

Heinz the niggil looked like Montel Williams remember the Montel Williams show yeah he would like Montel will how do I never like him I just never liked them right and number one time he said some shit to me and I picked up the stapler off the desk and i flung it at him and he came from behind the desk and walked up to me and i just remember hitting him but i was a kid so it didn't have any effect like i got expelled for school then they let me come back at the end of third grade i got kicked out second grade and sent to an alternative school that was like jail didn't even realize it at the time but that was like jail like why am i in third grade and there are 12 graders in the hallway with me

I don't know. Do you know what 12th graders do the third graders? Right. Like what the... Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, why? Like, but that's an alternative school for you. All troubled from ages, from kindergarten to 12.

All of the troubled motherfuckers. You feel me? I don't even know how kindergarters could be troubled. Like, that's fucked up that they even have it that low. You feel me? Whatever. I got sent to one of them schools. And it's the same shit.

But now the kids around me is bigger than me, taller than me, and deeper voices. The girls are actually, they look like woman to me at this time because we're fucking young guys have. And I'm going through environmental and conditioning with them. Have to fend for myself in the school all the way in South Jersey somewhere. I don't know nobody. These kids are from every district in Jersey. It's like fending for yourself, lunchtime.

comes you got to think for yourself fucking just all types of shit though all types of shit so and then you got after school for me in the hood and playing for me so I'm from the east end of my city um it's separated by the east end in the west end so till this day I don't even think niggas could tell you why niggas is beefing they don't know somebody died a long time ago got killed on one side and on another side

niggas retaliated and all these years later the east end and west end and my city is still beefing like I didn't did 10 and a half years in prison we're gonna get there

and came home and the kids that were in fifth and fourth grade like when I got locked up are out there talking about East end, I'm on the East day, I'm on the West, like, what the fuck? This still, this beef's still going on?

Yep. You feel me? So now, after school, I'm coming home after school. And then on top of that, I don't know, for some reason I always felt like an outcast. Like, you feel me? I just always knew it was like, I ain't fit in for some reason. Like, it didn't matter what side of the city I was from. Didn't matter, you know what I did or nothing.

And I just always felt like I ain't fitting. I always felt like I had to do a little bit extra for people, like, you know what I'm saying? So I'm like, I had trouble keeping friends on them. Right. So when did you start getting into trouble? I mean, you were already in trouble, but I mean criminal behavior. So now we are not that swinging on your teacher isn't criminal. Oh, yeah, for sure.

So now we can get to high school. middle school I was debil and dabbling right so we had some shit called poppy hunting you feel me like in my city we don't fuck with the motherfucking Hispanic community and not even necessarily

the Hispanic community it was like the Southern Americans like the Mexicans the Salvadorians and shit like that I don't know why I still don't know why to the day I don't know why so we would rob Mexicans and shit like that me and my click will go and it was like it wasn't because we didn't like them it was like i bet

we already don't like them but we ain't got shit to do we started doing shit like just knocking them out let's just see if we can go knocking the guy and it'll go from Mexicans to like now we trying it on our own like they go bro right there you feel me let's jump them let's knock them out let's beat them up and then now we go from that to robbing Mexicans and tripping on dudes from the east end of the west end depending on what side of the city you want to stealing taxi cabs like that was my first crime you feel me like i think i you're saying i think that was like my first crime like that's like a crime crime i stole a fucking taxi cat like it was i mean was someone in that was that a carjacking or was it just so i so i don't know the statute of limitations on this

shit it happened when i was like like 14 i'm 32 now I don't think the statute of limitations ever runs more than five, ten years at the most. Like bank robbery. If you rob a bank, it's only like five or ten years. All right. So I bet this nigga's sure of me, you know what I'm saying? So like, we just young, bro. It was like on some shit.

Diggas had BB guns. You know what I'm saying? Go call a cab. You know what I'm saying? Call a cab real quick. Call a cab. Get in the cab. And it wasn't even a plan.

It wasn't even a plan. It was like, niggas had BB guns on. We jump in the cab to go to the other. aside poppy talking smack wait how much you want and give me your shit you feel me then niggis get out the car and it's like no bupah boy sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry now we enjoy riding around in the taxi and then i didn't go hold you that was like a portal it was like a portal like you know like your first thrill when you do so wild shit that was like a robbery carjacking

and all that and one technically when you like technically speaking that's what it was a robbery in a carjacking. And it's like, God damn. And then from there, bro, I started, like, selling weed and shit, but this was when weed was illegal. And shit. All the real crumbs started coming

10th grade because I turned blood. You know what I'm saying? So one day, me and one of my friends and shit, we going out on our robbery, bullshit. Brody ends up taking some money on a robbery, like, you know what I'm saying? The job was, I'm about to burn down.

I'm the physical guy. He's the guy that need to run the pockets. I see what he ran. I can see what he ran. I don't know what he ran, but I could see what he ran. When he ran, what? Like, I could see, like, when he ran his pockets, I could see what he ran from his pockets type shit. You feel me?

Like, how much money he got from his pocket. And you're saying you're already a blood? I'm telling you how I did that. Oh, okay. what happens to why because i'll tell you i had the all the real crime came when i turned blood and now i'm getting into that okay you feel me so one time we on a regular robbery shit that we be on me and my boy he ends up taking a cut of the money i seen what he took from from our licks pocket you feel me and when we got back to the spot to count and i'm like oh

that shit looks shirt where that shit i know he was lying and this is my bro and it's crazy because this one of my bros a couple of weeks ago he just got shot four times you feel me like he's fucked up right now like up and all my um and it's crazy because he still i still i still got love for him but i could never fuck with him again he also told on me in one of my cases too you feel so we on but it just got his show look how far back there was little bullshit going So I'm like, yo, you took the money, bro. Like, he, like, I ain't, I'm like, long story short, my man, well, you got to fight me, bro, you're on some fuck shit.

We had this crib, all the homies there and shit that, mind you, these just homies that's there all the time, but I didn't know these niggas was blood. Like, these all his cousins and shit. At the time, I never desired to be a part of no game. You feel me? I didn't desire to be a part of no game. Like, I seen how the crips move.

I liked how they moved a little bit because they was on some get money shit, but I ain't like how they initiation. and they dog each other, they dog each other, the crypts, dog, there's, there's no rules. You can beat a, like what I'm saying? You can, you could trash your comrade, like with anything.

You can let the dog on them and all that. That's, to me, that's not brotherhood. You're running the bloods, like, we line up, and it's like, fight, motherfucking. Like, because if you, what if you ever got cooked by yourself by three or four people? Can you hold your own? Let's see.

That's what that's about. like you feel me but so i tell him we got to fight his cousins in the way oh you can't you can't fight him what you mean i can't fight him this my bro you mean we i know he's hair start fuck y'all niggas he blood bro nigga you blood what the fuck you turn blood all right well what the fuck do that mean you can't if you fight him we going to whoop your ass oh shit now i'm learning shit like oh that's why i think's be jumping people like you can't fight me They, they, you were part of the game, you know what I'm saying? Like, so I'm like, all right, it is what it is.

They're like, if you want to fight him, you just got to turn blood. I was so angry. I always been filled with a rage and shit like that to where his dolers on some shit. Like, all right, bad, if I got to fight him, then I'm fighting him. Let's go. So now I turn blood, and I saw I turn blood. I ain't one of them dudes that I did it for the brotherhood, or I did it for the cause. And I did it because the ops, no, I did that shit

because my man stole some motherfucking money from me on the robbery. You feel me? Like, went in the kitty and stole shit when he wasn't supposed to break that shit down and that. So I turned blood off of a moral that I was standing on. You feel me? You did some bullshit.

And if I got to fight all you motherfuckers just to fight you for your infraction, then it is what it is until this day. I'm fucking blood, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, you feel me? like shit real shit real like

because I'm an all nothing type of niggins so now I'm blood so now it's no longer I'm just going out on little licks and shit with my bro that I've been doing

this shit now I'm going getting in the car with hand his eye where where you're going now shy back when we're about to go through this you're coming

I ain't about to say no yeah I don't even know we finish do. I remember one of the first time. I was like, what I say? One of my lyrics. That's why a lot of people fuck on my music because it's like they know it's not, it's not, it's no law. I send in the backseat with my strap, the mission cannot get aborted. If I catch an opposition, leave him slimy like he snorted. So one of my first times in the car, I'm in the backseat.

I'm like literally on some movie shit. Like it sounds cliche and it's crazy because I ain't, that's That's why I don't really talk about all this shit because I don't never want to just sound like everybody else and I don't want to sound like I'm just making shit up like trying to have a story line and all that shit like you know how that shit goes like all your real life criminal activity in your street shit that shit going to be spoken for like he's going to respect you with that shit real meaning I really speak about it but fuck it I'm talking um we started the robberies like robbery robberies now it's no longer going to catch a little mexican and shit we've running down on we run it down there nigger from this block i ain't gonna say names and blocks now because we're just some real shit now you feel me we're running out on this weed man from the other side of town on that block low jamaica nigger we know he got a couple ounces in the house and at that time ounces was like oh yeah that's worth going in there to get you feel me, especially when we're young.

We're doing bannies. I'm always the skinniest motherfucker. So if we break in the motherfuckin' house, I'm the one sliding through the window. I ain't coming to unlock the door. You feel me? Coming out with jewelry and phones and, like, at that time, we were young, you feel me?

So, like I said, well, we about to get to that because I got locked up. When I was 18, I ended up getting locked up for a rock. And I got locked up and I had to sit for 10 and a half mother fucking years. So I'm saying all that to say by the time my criminal activity got put to a halt, I was 18.

So please don't look for big heist and murders. And you feel me like moving cocaine across the country because I was only 15, 16, 17, 18 shit come to a halt. This all gang activity. We all on GA time. All gang activity. You feel me? We slide in all niggas that's disrespecting us.

You feel me? All for them, niggas, they said not official. I bet. We're going to beat your ass up. Then we're getting older. Now a niggas not beating each other. My first gun was a rusty 38 with a broken. hammer and that shit still fired you feel me but the hammer it was so loose i had to like

because it was a loose-ass hammer already you feel me like the little the little thing that do that it was loose as hell you feel me so you know with a 38 it's it's still it's still an action join you can just pull it and it does it by itself but because the hammer was loose i had to manually do some cowboy shit like click pow you what i'm saying type of shit that was my first gun you know what I'm saying So you were, you went and did a robbery. We did robbery. Yeah, first time was like a robbery, got in the car, went slid on a weed, man, and a lot of my robberies, I'm gonna be honest with you, bro. I ain't one of the niggies that's going to lie to you.

A lot of my robberies were fruitless robberies, bro. A lot of my robberies was robberies going bad. Like, I can't really name two, like, I can't, I probably can, it was one. I had one nice lick that was nice, that one was nice. And I had to go out in Jersey with the homies to catch that one, you feel me? But all my licks was like more so recreation for me at the time. It's like, you going, no, I'm down. Like, it's time to get in the car, swag going to get in that car,

swag going to go put in some work. I don't get fuck what we doing. We got to jump up. out, we got to do this, that, the third, here, there, and that. So, let's get to my crime, because now I start developing as a man in prison. All of all my criminal activity and shit on some street shit, I was an adolescent. I was a teen, you feel me? I ain't even realized, and that's why I'm able to sit in front of you today and be like,

you know, all this shit I was doing was bullshit because I ain't even realized. realize what we thought we was doing some lit shit like you couldn't tell us that we wasn't the most gangsters love this around like you know what I'm saying I get the prison I get the S County so my robbery um I could a robbery in 2009 I could a robbery in 2009 but I fought it all the way up until 2011 I didn't get sentenced to 2011 And I came home from that sentence, November 29th, 2000. What was the robbery? Oh, that's what I'm about to get to right now.

So, boom, it was downtown, north. Why I'm downtown north is beyond me, catching a robbery. So the day started off. It's ironic because that day, when I got up that morning, I had to go to municipal court to be a CDS charge. I got caught with my boy, the same nigger, selling fake crap. Because I never got into that shit. Like, I never got into selling coke and dope and shit.

Like, I would sell weed and shit like that. I'd robbie, but I never sold, like, those hard drugs. Like, those were, like, just something I couldn't get into. I got caught with some sheetrock. Like, we would take the fucking rock out the mall, put it in plastic, and it literally is the same color, same texture. Everything is crack. You feel me?

Right. And we'll try to sell, like, five or ten of them shit. real quick early in the morning and we got enough money to go to school and shit I got caught by the cops doing that dumb shit and ended up having to fight that charge

I ended up beating a CDS charge early in the morning because it was fake so I stand as fucking in my pocket what the fuck I get on a bus to go to Nourke reason why I get on the bus to go to Nurt

was because one of the home girls told me she had a lick at a pharmacy she talked about um her aunt be getting perks and shit like that this is when the like perks now mind you this 2009 so this was when perks and all that shit is just becoming a real thing like right and like it's just now he'll be like yeah my she'd be going to the doctor get pain man

her doctor be leaving the door open because he lost his key and in the office is mad boxes with pills we could go ransack that shit and i know a poppy at the bodega we could sell it to and the brand right then at that time everything to me is quick fast money like it's like or even if it's not money to me it's just recreation at the time i bet it's something to go get into make more of a name for myself like i'm out here shaking shit was my chain of thought i go to know i meet up with her we get out there and shit i'm trying to think where i want start from no like fuck all the extra details we get out there we ransacked the doc's office there are pills in there but none of it uh is the doctor there is anybody there

no it's just it's just as she's saying you feel me it's that she said the the doctor's office is unlocked so it's in a building when we get to the building we got to ring up one of the doorbells for somebody to buzz us in you feel me once we get in a building we straight you feel me once we get in a that we could go straight to the doctor's actual office, get in there and do what we do. We got our mask going. We got our book bag. We go. So we get into a doc's office and shit.

We start ransacking that shit. Well, I'm looking for Perkinsets, right? And she told me at the time, they're not just going to say Perkinset on the bottom. They'll say it had a word called. And at the time, I was saying it all fucking up. I know how to say it. Now, acetamethin, you feel me? Because that's like, I think it takes 10 over, 10 over 300 milligrams of oxytocin and

cedomethin to make what you call a perk. Don't ask me why I know all that. Actually, I'm going to get into while and know all of that because a lot of my all right so here that's later um so boom we ransacked the office i don't see none of the pills that she said was going to be there but i take what we can get before we fill our book back up with shit so that's that part of the robbery the up shit where where i end up going wrong is when we get to poppy bodega and we post it be there now mind you i got a little i got my little 38 on me you know what i'm saying we get on the um we get on the um we get on

in the Poppy bodega and shit. We try to sell, you know what I'm saying? We're talking to him, yo, yo. Just at the third. We got the pills and da-da-da-da-da-da. He's going through them shit. He basically says, no good, no good, no good. She's trying to, like, come on, Poppy, you know you know me.

Like, just take something, like, give us something. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Not going down. Poppy's not bunching. I ain't going to hold you. I'm pissed all because I literally, I could have been doing mad other shit today. you feel me like i left court early as hell in the morning just be the cds charge right after i like literally from plainfield municipal court i walk out get on a bus and head to meet this dyke-ass

bitch in north and let me yeah bleep that you might got to bleak that because that might be a a slander to the LGBT community for disclosure i do not have anything against that community you guys fucking rock you um yeah uh So I'm pissed the fuck off I'm like yo That poppy like nah man You can take some of this shit I'm all young my voice all little

And it's I didn't have it I didn't even get a mustache till I was like 24 Okay So you look like a little kid Yeah I look like a little fucking kid And I'm like yo man He's like showing me off Get the fuck out of it

I'm like I got you get the fuck out of it I'll pull out my little girl That shit costs me 10 years in my life, pulling out my gun, being hot, in the head, everything happening fast as hell, pop-eat, awesome shit, like, what, I ain't gonna hold you. I clicked my shit, because you know how, like, in a movie, I feel like a clown a little bit thinking about it, like, but don't nobody on this motherfucker think I'm a clown because I'm not to be played with it. feel like it a little bit you know because bro i clicked my little shit and why you think i'm playing

with you poppy like and poppy literally like like went for my shit went and grab my shit on some movie shit and any any like the on the first grab i almost lost the motherfucker i ain't even go a lot to you almost lost the mother you feel me and i'm backing up he got my arm a little bit on some movie shit that's why i don't even like telling the story but it's public information you know what i'm saying it's literally public information you could go on DOJ Department of Justice typing my first and last name my indictment number and it's all right the fuck near you feel me and it be right there for public numbers and my gun discharged man you got shot swoo in a league and we the whole ass out the store

like I so when it happened like it ain't just no boom you want the nitty gritty uh The shit just tars bang all that other shit and it ain't just no we ran out the store. I just realized what I did. I just shot a poppy in a store Like it's not like I and I ain't gonna hold you. I never shot nobody before then like I shot at people, you know, I'm saying like And that's how I be known like There's no difference between the generations. There are Mulfugas who will be younger will shoot at you and then you not motherfuckers who will shoot you. Right.

You know what I'm saying? I was, I was, I ain't never, I ain't going to sit here and try to act like I'm a new motherfucking killer, you feel me? I ain't no killer, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, but I'm not real. Like, oh shit, I shot at me, you know what I'm saying? I shot at me.

That's a problem. A big, a problem. And I start panicking. My stupid ass start trying to help this nigga. You know what I'm saying? Like, and I'm going to. saying stupid because like hey what I think about is now it was only the humanity in me it only it only go to show like oh shit like I'm out there doing that wow

shit but this is something that could have just went crazy I'm trying to help this mouth and he blacking on me why I'm trying to help you yaw get the oh yeah get the fuck that me like wow and like I'm panicking and then old girls screaming at me y'all get the out of here come on bro what is you doing da da da da and uh I'm realizing all the pills from my book bag is all kind of spilled out on the ground. I'm trying to, like, put my pills back in the book bag. I went to go grab the book bag. I lift it up upside down.

Everything falls out the fucking bag. Bro, it's just like, it's total calamity. Right. I run out. The bodega wasn't too far away from Penn Station. Remember, I told you in the beginning of the story, I'd drive me downtown up. It wasn't too far away from Penn Station. We're running.

We run it. I get to the gateway building. And that's why I tell you, I was public knowledge. Like, my fucks look up my shit. I don't know if it need the news or news article, but like I know when I got to that county, I know them niggas was in that muffling.

Like, oh shit, you that motherfucker that caught that robbery in the tunnel at the gateway building. So you got, you have North Penn Station here. you got lurk station here and then you have the gateway prudential building not the prudential center

the prudential building that's right directly across that's the finance building and shit like that and in between those two buildings there's a tunnel that like you can walk through it's like a walking tunnel we running through that shit because we ended up going up these steps that take us through

that building that like it's like it's like from the prudential center and then you got the prudential building right across from the prudential center is the front entrance of the prudential building which we ran into ran up the steps you know what i'm saying get in a hallway running we run and we get to the little tunnel it's in a tunnel where we see like north police or transit police because not for nothing this is 2009 so police is still active in front of transit places because of 9-11 and all that shit. It's only just happened about eight years ago. So, you know what I'm saying?

We get up there, bro. It's already police up there. We're the only two. Mind you, I don't even know if they were looking for us. I'm going to keep it a hundred with you. Because where we ran from, we got a nice little distance. When we, the police up there, we run it. We hauling ass.

We're sweating. Mind you, it's wintertime. So we've been running for a minute if we sway. you feel me when we see them we're so young you feel me like as soon as we see the police we stop

you know what I'm saying because in our mind we ain't even know if they for us like we're running we're in like we and then the way they locked up at the end of the tunnel but we all dumb and shit they only standing like that because that's how they got to stand two cops here two cops here you feel me so that people can walk between them

and they could but we not realizing that that we just stopped running and we're looking all nervous and we sweating and they look like y'all right she take off the opposite direction one of them start coming our way i take off in the direction she going this a real shit bro to this day bro i ain't even going if i could kill anybody it'd be the motherfucker who helped the muffled police catch me bro and when i was first, first got locked up. I used to tell people this part of the story and then I stopped because niggas in jail off me and clown. I'm like, ah, how you let a motherfucker civilian? Bro, while I'm running through that tunnel, bro, some flip me, bro, some movie shit. Somebody

clipped me, bro, and help me, and, and I ain't going to hold you. I'm not a racist. I think everybody's biased. Everybody has their own little prejudice, thoughts, and shit. So I'm not saying it's like but it was some cocky ass white must man like what if you had to like mind your business because i'm looking i'm like it what the and i couldn't even move like i just remember till this day i remember just like a broad round face you feel me and real like his bro he was big as shit like he's like he looked like he looked like the uh you know the movie minions yeah the ball head dude with the sharp-ass nose that that be running around with the minions what's his name group or something like that whatever uh yeah uh grute

grute group group or whatever evil grute some shit whatever but he looked just like that motherfucker man i remember when the minion movie came out i'm like yo that looked like the muff and i was on the ground police was able to like grab me cuff me To this day. What is that? A cuff mark. That ain't happened there like on that. Why the fuck up?

Because the camera right here is right here. Like I still got marks from cuffs when I was in prison. So now we're going to get to the gritty shit because now... Alright, so I get locked up. This is the end of A thing. Uh... stop you know how fast you were going i'm going to have to write you a ticket to my new movie the naked gun Liam nissan buy your tickets now and get a free chili dog chili dog not included

the naked god tickets on sale now august first february 8th 2009 feel me it was still a little snow out and a anything like it was like a little flurry on the ground and shit like that go to booking this called green street so at the time uh yeah so now this is where the tom is because now prison is wild prison prison was wow now you're about to get adult shit now you're about to get gory shit like because sad to say like i was doing shit that could potentially like i'll beat people love rob people you feel me like we didn't have a lot of situations on the street but prison violence was another level of violence like i ain't even hold you was another level of violence that i wasn't ready for that i had to adapt too fast

or like you already know you'm saying um i'm in a county i did like a year and a half in the county i had a lawyer named linda smink she passed too you can look her up she was a dope-ass lawyer she um she helped this guy named king jack wolf to beat a murder and training in like the early 2000 and shit and he was a karate instructor and ironically he ended up like he ended up becoming a karate instructor and shit like that and ironically he ended up becoming my karate instructor and mentor for a few years and when I got locked up he extended that connect that that connect to me like y'all would help you get a lawyer and he sent me her because I was supposed to get 18 with an 85

So that's I'm pretty sure you're familiar with the law 85% of the time I mean 85% are like that's under the no early release act law in New Jersey And all all violent crimes and offenses are subjected to the

No Early Release Act law So you have to do a mandatory Bare minimum of 85% of your time That does not mean you won't have to do 100% of the time because you can lose that 15% compensation time. That's a fact. I lost that.

That's why I ended up doing a whole motherfucking 10%. Right. So initially she was, you were supposed to get 18, 18 years. Yeah, I was supposed to get an 18 with an 85. That was, so my offer, the first

offer was 20 on some real shit. You know how prosecutors, They just be on some bullshit. Oh, this was a robbery, armed robbery at a store. And they tried to paint it as if we tried to rob the store. But that never was the case, though. That was the crazy thing.

And that kind of helped me, though, because when I told my lawyer, you know, they want you to disclose all the real information. When I told her that, like, we went to a doctor's office and hit a pharmacy and shit like that first and then was trying to sell a pills. she was able to manipulate the story to whereas though it had nothing to do with a store robbery you feel I mean

it had everything to do with this kid might have a pill addiction my mental health mind you none of that was the case she used my mental health impairments from when I was in child remember I told you I was in alternative schools I never got a chance to tell you all that I ended up being in like

hospitals and shit and I used to be tweaking out like my mom wanted to find out what the fuck was wrong with me I was a patient at children specialized hospital for a little while for them to figure out the fuck was wrong with me and then he came out with all these little conclusions of what was wrong with me and shit like that and I actually was on medication as an adolescent so all of these factors now mind y'all stopped using I stopped taking my medication so she was able to like you know lawyers they're good at that she don't you stop doing this stand the third because he wanted to good at the third and he

ended up meeting it again and didn't know how to get help so he had an addiction and whir-rah, rah, rah, rah, right. Because the prosecutor tried to paint the story and mind you, Poppy never came to court. Poppy never came to court.

He never died. He didn't die. Right. He got shot in the leg. He didn't die. You feel me? And the original charge was attempted manslaughter and a robber. Attempted manslaughter. Attempted murder? Yeah, attempted murder.

And then they tried to say, no, it can't even be attempted homicide because he wasn't. All right, so I found out anything that below the waist, anything below the waist, there are no vital organs below the waist. Right. It can't be attempted murder. Yeah, it can't be attempted murder. and it would only be mad slaughter if the person got shot below the waist and they died. No one died.

So this prosecutor was trying to make a stretch on me. It goes down to assault. Robbery and assault with the deadly weapon was my charges. Robbery, assault with a firearm, you feel me? And then, of course, the additional firearm charges. You get unlawful possession of a firearm, unlawful possession of, they try to throw all that shit together. a lawful possession of firearm with intent to cause bodily heart, an injury.

And then they tried to act, some bullshit. They tried to rack it on. Now, mind you, I got into that. So the only reason why they were trying to roof it with the time, because, mind you, we skipped to the main thing. Before that robbery, I was already out on bail. Everybody knows this. Everybody from my seat.

I was out already out on bail. for another robbery that happened in union county that i didn't do right i'm sitting out on bail for that and then mind you i beat the cds charge so mind you remember i told you i already had cds charge not beat but i wasn't able i didn't get a chance to mention all the other pending charges i had i also had a pending charge for a pending robbery that i bailed out you feel me in early 2009 i didn't do it though and the robbery was it consisted of a fucking bike getting stolen like get the out of here i think the fuck if anything that's at bare minimum it's what receiving stolen property or something like that whatever but i didn't even do that i ended up my mom ended up bailing me

out this was the first time we had to deal with deal with the bail system so my bail was 50,000 and with uh cash or bond so there was a 10% thing on there so we found a bondsman so you know 50 that's like 5,000 is 10%, which is a lot of money for a single mother who's a school teacher paying high-ass rent in Jersey with two children on her own, you feel me? And at this time, we're not even children. We're young adults. I'm locked up at this time. You feel me?

We found the bondsman that was able to take 1% in a cosigner. Well, like two cosigners. So my grandmother cosign. and my uncle co-signed and we was able to pay for like $500 and even that

my mom needed help getting that shit and I was able to get out of jail right and the whole thing is the last court date that I had

right before I bailed out they, you know what they tried to offer me? PTI pre-child intervention program why the fuck you offer me PTI for a robbery that I didn't do by the way?

all the old heads was telling me young it don't take shit don't take shit so I'm already out on bail and I'm doing shit I'm doing other shit then I got while I'm out on bail for that and just throwing this in there

because I have to let you know why they was trying to roof me with so much time other than just to shoot because it's still like 20 years for like what I'm saying I got locked up in I'm looking in New Jersey that's Somerset County

for police season went on my first police chase. So long story short, that story happened. Me and the homies, we all supposed to meet up at a hotel to have a whoop, which is like a blood, me, and it shit. We up there, we kicking it. We don't. We do. When we leave, we decide to get on Route 22 and race back to the hood. We fly through Bounder. Bounder Police get behind us. One of the homies in a car with me. He's like, bro, I just came from home from down bird. I'm on probation. That's juvenile detention. like I'm on probation you can't pull over you can't do that so come on and chase I still

got court one of the bigger homies bailed me out from the precinct we got the precinct there was like a couple hundred dollars you feel me and he told us like if y'all little niggas don't go to court we whoop in y'all ass you ain't about to be coming out of pocket for y'all to just be not going to court skipping bail and all that you did what you did go to court he no going to run our homies wasn't like that you feel so now it's like I'm going to court for so I so the robbery that I didn't do I ended up never getting any time for that they tried to downgrade that shit from PTI to probation I never took nothing they downgraded it all the way to a theft and dismissed the charge mind you I still never did nothing so I was mad

that they downgraded it to a theft because I didn't do it you're saying like that's always been my thing if I didn't do shit like I didn't do it but whatever I did however and um So when I went down for the robbery that happened in North, I was still out on bail for the Somerset County charge. What was the looting? It was eluding, first degree, first degree of looting, second degree joyriding, third to, second degree, third, joyriding, second degree operating motor vehicle without owner's consent. And I broke a record. I swear to God I broke a record to this day. I remember you know how cops of fucking make jokes and shit like that while I'm sitting in

the precinct they like her well if you did anything good tonight you broke a record got the most speed I got the most traffic tickets ever in Bound book in one city they gave me over like 30 traffic tickets 30 traffic violations just like when that chase that shit's wow so while I'm fighting my charge for that I'm going back I'm getting remanded back in mind you I told you I was in essence county for like a year and some change I fought my robbery charge for like a year or some change. Then this week ended up getting my shit down to a 10 with an 85. You feel good.

I'm going to tell you how I ended up during the 10 years and not getting any parole. She's fire. Rest in peace to her soul. She died of the leukemia. I wanted to know first before you mentioned the plea and going to prison, how, the car chase how did how you said oh yeah yeah i got caught how'd you get caught on the car chase yeah because i was just trying to get back to the all so um so like i said we left the tell you and shit from the little meeting and uh it happened fast like it wasn't even like a um

it wasn't even like a super long car chase it probably was like 10 minutes but at those speeds pricing long fucking uh and then it sounds like it's probably an eternity if you're out trying yeah i know a lot too that she's like it's like a fist fight you know like i was when i've explained and it probably wasn't even 10 minutes well i say when i explain people about they're like oh you know there's lots of fights i'm like yeah and they'll and i always explained the worst fist fight i saw in prison lasted probably four or five minutes and guys are always guys are always like well why is that a big deal i'm like because most fights are over pretty quick that's a long fucking that's a long fucking time to be fighting these guys were exhausted they were

listen we're talking about teeth missing guys yanking their dreads out i mean there was so much damage in that five minutes you have no clue how how how bad it is to get your ass beat for you know they're thinking boxing or something these guys aren't wearing gloves they're not and they're not doing all that dancing it's a bra yeah it's most people see you a fight and they think of the movies or they think of two 15 year old boys fighting in high school when two grown men fight people's noses are sideways it's literally like the wild yeah it is it's disgusting i mean and and it's serious damage it's not like boom boom and they've got a slight bruise and a little bit of my car it uh yeah it's it's it's horrible horrific but uh but yeah

so i was going to say 10 minutes of a dream pumping through you during a car chase and that might and that might even be a stretch that's I know for a fact that's just if it felt like a good 10 minutes so you can might spice it and that right but um uh so what happens was I remember like it was yesterday as we at the light you niggas like you know niggas want to race like I when we when we when a light turns green we pull off type shit and at the next light you know it's a highway so usually when you

you can't just make a left like it's a street you feel me it's a highway you got to veer off you like you got to do the little veer off thing and then come around and do the other thing man I bust a smooth I bust a smooth flat on a highway

through the light to go off like the exit but it's not like an exit it's like a regular like highway that has light like every like you know what I'm saying you know right not i'm not sure exactly where you're from but i'm pretty sure a lot of streets got that type of shit so as i'll bust that left i don't know what the it must have just been the cop gods whoop who i got cherished from the jump and remember i told you the homie told me like bro you can't like i'm i'm on probation like me i just came home from down bird like you know what i can't do this

like so I'm like I what I did was I pretended to pull over I ain't even pull over all the way like I just like pretended to pull over because I wasn't sure what I was going to pull over or not and then I just took it and I rolled around for a minute and for a while I used to like to say they hit me from the back and me spent out but honestly bro I made a turn and the turn was too hard I always when I was in prison I used to like, yeah, the motherfuckers, they hit me from the back like this. And it was like, I ain't going to lie, I bust the turn. And that shit spun out on me because I didn't like, bro, again, I was 17. So it's like, I don't know that you need to kind of break down and do all that shit.

I'm full gas turning. And it's like, I spun to move out. And we got cool. My boy, he was able to jump out. And then on top of that, I had my seatbelt on it. Because I was on, like, I ain't know what you shit? I'm like, I put my fucking seatbelt on. We're going to chase.

Fuck this shit. And it just so happens. My shit got stuck. I don't know what was like when it was time for me to get out after it spun out. And now, matter of fact, thinking about what the thing was now, I never put the car apart. So when I spun out, like, it was like a spin out and like where I was, I wasn't able to move anything or go. Like, the car wasn't able to move. So I just, like, opened the door and tried to, like, I don't know, but then I think about that.

It couldn't have been that neither because you can take your seatbelt off at the car any part. I don't know. Sometimes they'll lock if you, if you bang against them, they'll lock and you have to kind of. I did think against someone's back and let them go. You have to, you have to back it up a few inches to get it to release again. So I was panicking. Yeah, yeah, I was going to say you're not thinking any of that while you're trying to panic and get out of the car. and your buddy got out and took off yeah and it's crazy because we both got caught that night

but he just got caught maybe like 10 15 minutes later down the line i see him coming in the they're like we got to friend and dickens they're like we got to friend but uh yeah so that was when you got caught but then you eventually got the 10 years you took the 10 years and that was i and that was for And that was for back to the robbery that happened at the bodega with the pills and shit. Right. So it goes from the first was 20. Then like the second was like an 18 with an 85. And they didn't budge from an 18 with an 85 for like, bro, like nine months.

Like you know how long nine months is in jail? Like you know how many court dates I went? You know how much bullpen therapy I got? You know the lingo? Like what I'm saying? And in that bullpen? Oh my God. Oh, my God, the bullpen, 20 motherfuckers, all waiting to see what time they're about to get mad testosterone in one decade.

You might say, man, listen, how much she go down in the bullpen? You know. Stress, watching people come. You were there when people are coming back getting 20 years. What charge you got? Who you got? You got Judge Winkler? What do he say?

How much time he gave me you? Oh, I watch guys walk back in, sit down and just start crying. Nothing, bro. There's just like, just like, you're like, I'm looking at guys like, this is a tough. You can look at the dude and know he's tough. Like, this dude's just a tough looking mother. And walk back at him, sit down.

Bro, somebody says, man, what did you get? And the guy's like 20 years. And boom, just starts bawling. And you're like, oh, shit. If he's, he's crying, he'd be crying like a baby. You feel me, bro? And it's crazy because. It hit me. It hit me.

I ain't going to hold you. I remember when I got my time and it's crazy because, so let me get to my sentencing. My sentencing was actually special. Watch what happened. So the whole time, remember I just said, Judge Winkler, right? Didn't I just say that name? I think so. Yeah.

Because that was the judge that I'm trying to think, wasn't Winkler? It was like something like that. His name was something of that nature, right? And he was like, though, like, yo, this nigga, bro, he was smoking motherfuckers. Like, I don't, like, I feel like the judicial system, shit, even have people like that in there, yo, like that just give out time. Like, like, like, literally this is them. Nah.

Seven years with 85%. It's this on the third. see the whistle for your transcripts and what you like to say anything like you're going to say anything that's going to change like you feel me like court dismissed like you didn't even tell me

I'm gonna get there because I need I'll always see man um so my sentencing I so I had this f*** up as judge bro this nigga was fucked up bro like I'm watching niggies that's down mind you

I'm in Essex County so I mean, everybody that's coming in this county is from North. These nakes coming in for carjackers. They're coming in for murders. They're coming in for robberies and shootings and drugs and all like, man, mad shit. I'm watching these five years. 3185.

They got a B&E, right? Oh, we got a B&D. I never forget the shit. He did a B&D. Got mad shit and an assault on a motherfucker for the old lady. that big, did that being, that thing, I got five with an 85, bro. A five with the 85. You broke into an old woman in his house.

What a five with an 85. Whatever. You did shoot someone. Oh, yeah. I mean, I hear you. Not saying what he did was right. But what I'm saying, though, is I was just watching people get mad time that was small amounts and i'm like man i know i know i'm gonna get like seven like to hear 20 and 18 and

i'm not even 20 yet yeah no it's an eternity 10 years is an eternity and bro that's why my prison bid was crazy i ain't ain't gonna hold that shit turned me into home no more so real quick i ended up getting a judge name um i forgot her name that's crazy i forgot her name my mom probably still remembers it so what happened was that the judge that I had that ruthless ass motherfucker somebody ended up doing something about him like you'm saying with with the courts though like you know I'm saying get him got it here you feel me like not on no like doing anything violent to him or anything right there was a period of a time where I had to wait to get a judge you feel me so I'm waiting to get a judge and when I do get

a judge it's just the universe this shit was fired bro like I felt like it was God like saying and I'm going to give you one more chance, bro. Because you get up, but I'm going to give you one more chance. The judge that I got was a black woman from Estes County, but she was the, what you call that? Juvenile judge. She was a juvenile judge.

And they sent her to state court because she was just way, that was fire yeah it worked out look it was like it stopped all right cool but anyway uh she was just they like so from her story was she was way too nice like she's way too me on the youth and the essence county court system so they bumped her up to state court like go deal you we're like like so this is what my mom took because my mom and her ended up becoming not friends because that would be conflict of interest or whatever the f f f f that's just called but they like they kept in correspondence for at least a good month or two after I was already sentenced and shit like that you know what I'm saying I don't know why but it was a dope thing and from what my mom told me they were saying she was

too lenient on the youth and they were showing her like you being lenient on the youth that's why we're sending you here so you can see what type of crimes they do when they keep getting you saying let go for the shit you feel what I'm saying which was I get what they were trying to do guess who her first case was in your mean who when she's looking at the transcripts and everything that's going on mind you linda then already went yeah wow we already got my defense and everything like you feel me like as far as like them not letting that shit them not perpetuating the oh he was trying to rob a bodega story you feel me so linda's linda got that shit down pack so i guess when this judge she's all this shit and she looks at the last offer bro because she said it like when i

first got to go to court again and this is a new judge the first thing she said was i've been looking over your case and i'm letting you know right now that last offer that was offered to you no longer stands. My heart was broke. I'm like, oh, shit. Like, I'm thinking I'm about to go down, you feel me? Like, because I don't understand the process fully yet. I'm thinking this is my trial lawyer.

I mean, Judge, I didn't even tell him I wanted to go to trial. I don't know what the fuck going on, you feel me? Right. And she's letting me know, like, we're starting all over. Your defense stands. The prosecutors, whatever, da-da-da-da-stance. But as far as the offers are concerned, we're starting all. over. So now my sentencing offers start all over. It's no longer you get 20 years. Oh,

you don't want to take that? Okay, cool. I'll see you in five months. See how you feel about that in five months. 18 years. You don't want that? Okay. I'll see how you feel about that in two or three more months. 18 years still, young man. I'll see how you feel about that in another three months. New judge. Everything he offered you. me say first thing she offered me was a 12 with 85 okay i didn't go and i was tempted this hell to jump on that but niggis you know how when you get back to the union they used to be like you know what saying they're like hell no you's always that one over here that knew the law you know what saying like they'll be helping you out and shit so it was like yo 12 with 85 you got a new

judge that's her first offer bro just that and the third i'm like ah I don't take it. Like, hell no, don't take that shit. Long story, sure, I ended up, so this was, I ended up, getting 11 when in 85. She bought it down one more time to 11 with 85, but this is what she said.

She told me at this offer, she's like, and I never forget it was like confusing. She's like, I'm going to offer you. We'll let me. You can take it. Well, you can either deny the plea. or there wasn't it wasn't a trial option you feel me like you know how they'd be like oh this that and the third okay you don't want it okay we'll set another court date see what we can do

type of shit right so this time she's like um this is gonna probably be my last offer like she was letting me know like the 11 was nine out of 10 times going to be her last offer so I can either take it now or wait until the court date and see what going on but she was telling me that the prosecutor was like she basically like in front of the prosecutor was like insinuate and like look this chinese bitch on some bullshit because i had some little chinese prosecutor bitch like she like the energy was the chinese bitch on some bullshit lorne i'm trying to help you a ass you feel me i ain't supposed to be doing this shit this why i'm here anyway because i'm trying to help y'all little ass you feel me take the offer but it was on some

shit like this could be the last offer but and she explained how sentencing day goes she says on sentencing day no matter what the offer is it's up to me it's at my discretion right before I can give you whatever I want I can go up or I can go down

from the pleas at my at my discretion and actually gave me a little bit of confidence I'm like I'm going to take the 11 I took the 11 years and my court date this was like doing like beginning of the winter I ended up not getting the court date like

sentencing day wasn't going to be until like July something I never forget it was like July something I forgot exactly what did but it was in July and I got sentenced in July and on sentencing day she gave me a 10 with 85 so thinking about it 11 with 85 probably would have me doing like eight and a half halfish nine. No, like, you know what I'm saying? Like nine, like walking down nine, maybe a little bit into nine,

one or two months into nine. I don't know. I forgot. And then 85% of 10 would have only meant seven years, three months and some change or some shit like that. I forgot exactly what I said on my paper.

But I, it didn't say 10. It ain't say much than. And then Linda, what she did, was for me she tried to get the parole aspect taken off she's like all right if you're gonna do um the uh the 10-1-85 type shit and then that comes that usually comes with three to five years parole you feel I'm saying she got the

parole aspect taken off of me and the crazy thing she got the app parole aspect taken off of me during my like while I'm already downstate because she couldn't do that shit right there and near that would have happened to be a part of the plea you feel okay so um let me get to that so i get down state they send me to yardville um i get down yardville not for nothing i so i'm gonna i don't even want to like now now but i'm gonna slow down right now because i don't want to just be like oh i got the prison it was like nah i really want to walk you through prison like for the people who do not know you feel me like We're not talking about the jail, like the county jail.

We're not talking about the precinct. We're talking about prison. Perspective is reality. So I can only speak from my perspective based on my reality and shit. You know what I'm saying? That shit's a different vibe, bro. It's kind of hard to describe the energy of prison. I'm 20 years old, though.

I get there and it's just like I can't say that I wasn't I feel like any man that says when he got the prison for the first time ever in any life we're not talking about you in and out in and out you always go to jail

because if I went to prison right now I'm going to be scared I'm going to mad as hell at myself but I'm not going to be scared I'm not going to be nervous I did know what to do when I get there now like if I'm never going back but you feel like if in another world I was a dude that wanted to just keep doing crimes and going back to prison. I know what the fucking do that this one.

But I didn't. You see me? And it's like, bro, every man, I feel like, there's a fear of the unknown. You don't know, you don't know what the fuck's going on, you don't, if you've never been there. Like, first of all, it's, it's, it's another, it's another, it's another way of being enslaved even captured. You're a prisoner. You're literally a prisoner. You feel what I'm saying? I was scared. I ain't even hold. I ain't even sitting here and say I wasn't scared. Fuck all that

gangster shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? I was scared as hell. Well, like, I get a towel. I get a sheet. I get a blanket. I get a Bob Barker soap, some jocletas, a bendy toothbrush. I didn't. I didn't know what the fuck. I didn't even know he made these at the time. What the fuck is this? you've been in a room to go into you get down there but you don't know who you fucking on me so I got the Yardville and

let me see how could I ain't going to hold you though when I got the Yardville I was a little nervous I ain't going to say I was scared at this point I wasn't scared because I had just even though I'm going to say I like when I got to the county Essus County so anybody that knows anything about Essus County. Esch County is basically prison. It's like, it's like the Rikers of New Jersey. Because Rikers is not prison, but it does have a part where you could go to

prison. Rikers is kind of a county jail, you feel me? Right. S.S. County, the green monster, that shit is the Rikers of New Jersey. It's the toughest county to be in. And they say Camden County, but whatever. Um, so I already was kind of prepared, like essence county already had prison bonds so i was on that wow shit already a little bit but when i got down state i turned it up man and i went down there with a chip on my shoulder you i'm saying i got to do 10 years even though i'm like kind i was happy like other outcome like i ain't got to do all the time i thought i was going i still got to do 10 years bro i'm only 20 years old in my mind i'm like bro i'm not coming home so i'm fucking dirty i've already been

locked up since I was 18. Like, I'm not coming home till I'm 30. Like, bro, I barely got any pussy yet. Like, like, bluntly and honestly speaking, at 17, like, think about it. I don't know. I was fucking a few girls in my school and shit, but, bro, I didn't even get thoroughly clap chase yet. Like, I've got to do mad long in here.

Like, oh, fuck. Like, and I ain't know how to jail. You know, you got to know how to jail. you have to know how to jail. If you don't know how to jail, like, you don't know how to jail, like, you know, help me out a little bit. So ask some questions. So, so I'm like, I'm not, who was your first, who was your sally? Uh, I don't remember my first sally.

I could name sallies that stood out, like, if the question was like, so, like, name, like, sell me instead, like, actually. Because I know, I'm pretty sure you, do you remember your first sally ever? I do. you do i mean only because i you know it was my first day in prison and the guy introduced myself and he was like totally like cool and he was a texicono how old were you and i was old bro was like 38 years old and that's the thing like i so in new jersey when you get sentenced and shit like that even though you're an adult so you got yardville born in town in annadale they're considered youth correctional facilities, but they house people from 18 to 30.

The 30-year-olds are very rare in there. Those are the ones who've been there since they was like 25, you know what I'm saying, 19 maybe, and it's like they're really at the end of the sentence and he's been there chilling the whole time. So everybody around me was wow. Like prison for me wasn't just like it wasn't, it wasn't. Like in New Jersey, they don't put our age bracket with your age bracket. Once we get to go to Southwood State Prison, Northern State Prison, Southern State Prison, Bayside, Rawway, in Trent.

You feel me? Those are the adult facilities, meaning like the big dogs. Like, y'all niggas is the real prisons. You feel me? where are the motherfuckers das they consider it still youth because the way we think so in New Jersey they separated

the age group so you got 18 to 30 and then from like 30 on up for the rest of it because they say we'd be wow once you're in your 30s and I see it now bro if I was to get locked up right now I'm not going to be doing none of that shit

that I was doing in there I'm going to real like I'm a man now I'm throwing a cell and we be chilling you feel me do you know how prison is when the prison is filled with 18 to 30 year olds and then the 30 year olds are rare so it's really like 18 to 28 and if you're 28 you old as hell in here you might get poked up so I say all that to say I had mad bunkeys I had mad bunkeys like when you in that age bracket you get around another dudes your age bracket both of y'all like yeah yeah you're both idiots what hey were there actual cells yes oh yeah you're walk in you got how many cellies one two you only got one cell me so you walk in there one cellie they

close a door you'll remember that first guy I don't remember that first guy I don't remember my first one bro i'd be lying to you because see and then and i don't know how it is in every other state and shit right but like in jersey when you get the prison you get you go to a reception spot first like your first you're the first unit you go on it's like a quarantine unit like they got to you got to be there for like it's like the new people you in then you go to the unit that you'll be on and then even then you might move again because you might be you might got this type of charge or that type of charge so they'll put you over there with the violent offenders and like if you feel me so you don't really get settled in a

Jersey prison until about your third or fourth month thing and that's if you chilling I went straight to the box I don't I real like don't remember my first bunkies like I got downstate I went in the room with somebody oh K-O he's His name was K.O. Damn! Y'all, I fuck with you for that. Damn, that's crazy.

I actually do remember my first monkey. His name was K.O. I remember where he was from. He was a Mawoo nigger. No bullshit. That's crazy. You just made me remember my first monkey, bro. His name was K.O.

I think he was from, like, Long Branch, and like Lakewood, or something like that. It's a mile paoo, nigger. No bullshit, because I had got down state right before they discontinued tobacco product. you tobacco products. So now you made me remember because I'm like, damn, what the fuck? Because when I got in there, he gave me a pack of black and mams. And at the time, when I first got downstate, I only had, I got down there around like July, because I got sentenced. Yes, I got sentences in July. I got down to July. And it got a memo, you know,

the units got a memo that as of January 1st, 20, 12, no more cigarettes. No more cigarettes on a commissary. And if you get caught with that shit, it's considered contraband and shit like that. That's crazy. I did ask for my mouth for his monkey because I remember after all that shit happened, we kept the, he the one that kept me out of trouble.

He showed me how to stand. That's crazy. How the fuck I forget? That's because so much shit happened to me, bro. I got a, I got a brutal being in prison, bro. My toothless shit to this day. I got a scar still. like in my uh like i gotta it's like an area of my hair with my head i'm gonna i got a scar up

there i'm gonna see right area right here we let me see what was it from was it like a a like a a lock or not cops oh okay cops so briefly when we was doing the pre-air interview thing i think i I got to mention that a little bit, but like, bro, I was popping on police my who did, bro. That's a mistake. Huh? That's a mistake. I know.

I know. You're not going to, there's just no winning. I know. And I ain't going to hold you. And it goes back to my mentality. I couldn't see the end of the 10, bro. And I'd be lying to you right now if I said I didn't get suicidal at times in here. And because I'm not the type of guy.

that gets suicidal, like, oh, I'm going to kill myself, but I'm brawling and brave enough to have myself in this situation where it's like, I know I might die in this situation, but I'm saying, which is still a suicidal mind of thought, you feel me? Because it's like I literally would go into that shit, like, I would be at my door. You know how they're shirt on my fucking shit. You don't want to fuck with me. I'm banging on the door. I'm like I'm getting my drumming and I'm just waiting.

I hear the gate. I'm just, and I'm bust out the door. I'm holding my mat trying to bang against their shill would get sprayed up. At one point in time, bro, I remember one time I called the female CEO a bitch on purpose. Just to get her to amaze me, just to show her that it didn't affect me. I got suicidal, like I was on a bomb mission with the told these that one time and they broke your fingers are broken yep

hmm yep they made an example I didn't go home you he didn't go home you and it took me about five and a half years to um yeah that's a little bit more than half the sentence i'm one of the i'm let you know right now i it took me more than half of my time so it about halfway it's funny because it's like about halfway there you kind of get to that point where you're like i didn't think i could do this before i swear like if i just did half i can do another half i could do another one right so that that's always kind of a tipping point where you think now now i'm not counting the days in this one how i just did that one I don't want to do this one, this half, how I just did that.

But it changes because it changes from how many days I've been in to how many days I got to get a lot. Like that's a much better counting system. That's a way better count down. So I was one of those guys, bro. So I started making a name for myself while I was downstate. So everybody just like, I was the guy that even if you would have saw me, right, say if we was on, you probably would have stayed away from. me not out of like oh i'm scared of that guy or none of that shit not not at all like you just strike me as the guy that would have saw me at that time frame in my bed and you would have

like yeah that guy's trouble that guy's noise that guy is you know how the dynamics there's a whole there's a whole group of guys like that there's a whole five or six or six guys do you feel me you you you because not for nothing at my half point mark that the guys who i were i stayed there away from now. Now because now I'm reading. Now I'm actually, I got a state job now. Like I'm saying, I'm getting

up in the morning going to the fucking big making the fucking bread on front of the day. For nothing to day, but it's just to get out the sound, like to move away. Now I'm going to go faster. You feel me? Now, now because I rap and shit, now that's what we're going to get to. That's what actually made

it special for me, right? Because my music, bro. And this would make me come home and take it serious. because it was all some shit like, well, if I could stand in a fucking yard, bro, with a dude who real life

just killed two or three people. First of all, I was in the same prison. The Iceman was in that one point in time. Me and Max B. I don't know if you know what Max B is. Where are you from?

Tampa, Florida. That's right. Damn, Florida. Yo, I ain't going to hold you, though Floridians, man. Y'all got it. I ain't going to hold you. Like, that state is like the state.

state like I don't know I don't know if Florida is painted to y'all how Florida is painted to everyone else but Florida at least from our perspective like being on the outside of Florida it's like y'all don't give a fuck y'all do anything in Florida like that shit's just I was think that you ever heard the term Florida man yeah it's always some guy doing something stupid but you know like yeah the Florida man it just like there's just so many criminals down here and they're not like necessarily like smart criminals like it's not regular criminal activity either because it guys demographics like it's it's and it's funny too because you know I'll see these tictox and shit where they'll say like listen if you want to know like where the alligators are like if there's a body of water there's an alligator there like there's I drive I'm in a nice suburb and you can drive by the ponds to alligators there's an alligator and my my you know my wife will be driving and she'll be like oh dear you know i mean just non-stop rabbits deer's like and we're in a nice suburb i'm there's suburbs

everywhere there's a lot of life out there like there's gators everywhere there's listen we went gator hunting a couple months ago i had gator one time when i was younger i'd never forget the texture and it wasn't a bad taste i just can't remember the teeth the texture would actually it was like a the texture to me was like between a fish and chicken texture yeah that it's funny that you say that because that's my wife's had it a bunch of times i'm sure i've had it i can't remember but she said the same thing it tastes kind of like a kind of tastes like some across between chicken and fish i swear listen it's terrifying going out there my wife loved it we're out there middle of the night out there driving through the the uh the swamp it's basically uh lake okechobe

which is that that big lake in the middle of florida and listen if you fell off that boat you there's so many alligators out there that splash you just probably just set it off i look and i was telling my we were out there like three four hours listen after the first hour i was like okay i get it we're out here it's fine i've done this i'm ready to go home i'm right i'm done Like, I'm, to me, I'm a city, I'm, I'm a city boy, right? But, you know, what most people think of Florida. I always say this is that most people think Miami and the beaches. But Florida's really-

Majority of Florida is everything outside of. It's like, honestly, it's like Georgia. There's pickup trucks and hunters and farms, like 90% of Florida is, that's what it really is. You know, it's not like, oh, beaches. and hot chicks and bikinis and it's lots of pickup trucks and you and and um SUVs and it's it's it's country people and it's not you know and i'm from like i said i feel like i'm from the city until i went to new york city and i realize now what i think of florida and it's crazy how like hip-hop's kind of like changing like the uh perspective of

florida a little bit now when i think of florida i just think of fucking ricklocks and kodak like too but i think that's miami i think that's That's more like kind of like cities like Miami and all I get exactly what you're saying now. Yeah, every majority of Florida is everything but that. Yes. Yes. But that's, but that's what everybody thinks. You know, I get like, you know, because that's the flash, you know, you want to show your best side and what's the coolest and what's trendy and that's what it is. But honestly, you drive in two or three miles. It's cow pastures and pick up trucks and hunters and good old boys. like listen it's rough we got sheriffs like grady judd talking about you know shooting people like

that my favorite thing with grady judd is that there's a he's a sheriff uh in one of the counties down here and one of the one of the reporters asked him uh they were like sheriff judd they said your deputies fired 200 rounds into the that single wide trailer because the, because the guy in the trailer wouldn't come out. They had to reload. And they said, they said, why did they fire 200 rounds? And he goes, they ran out of bullets. It was like, listen, I love the guy.

But I mean, he's brutal. You know what's crazy? Because that's what you would call cop humor. For them, that's cop humor. He probably was dead ass too. Oh, listen, he's serious. I'm going to, I'm going to send you. a compilation of Grady Judd moments.

And you're going to be like, I, this. Oh, yeah. And you know the guy? No, I don't, I don't know him. But everybody in Florida knows who he is. So when you were in prison and you started writing, is that what you were thinking? Because we talked about this yesterday.

How many guys did you see have a plan? This is what I'm going to do when I get out, leave prison. And two years later, you saw that guy come back. And he never even tried to pursue his plan. plan or pursue what he wanted to do. I mean, I, bro, I saw so many guys leave and be like, I'm going to do this. I'm going to study. I'm going to get my, I'm going to become a general contractor because you can become a general

contractor if you have a felony in some states. Like, I'm going to be a general contractor. They studied the book. They did this. Like, they had all these things they wanted to do. And then they got out. And two years later, you see the guy come back and like, this dude never even ordered the book, never tried to take the test, never took the class.

Like, you didn't pursue any of the things that we talked about for two years. years or three years and you came right back to prison on another charge like for me at by the time i was getting out of prison i was like i i'm not going to do that like i'm i kept telling myself don't not pursue what you're telling yourself you want to do now like you have clarity now and most people just don't pursue it and we were talking about it yesterday and you kind of you know you started writing and you kind of had a plan and you're still doing it so yeah so for me it was more so like um let me see i can explain for me i um like i said i always held on to the music so at my cell door locked at first it was like

thing with me like I would just like I would write music and then writing music started turning into other shit I start writing short stories like I started taking myself out there like I'm saying like bringing myself to the free world writing short stories then I would go from short stories to like I'm like I let me write down my plans and shit like let me write down my plans and all of that like I remember one time I and then I started ordering books that's where like shit real life started changing for me like i started reading books um thinking grow rich by uh by robert uh i mean um rich dad poor dad by robert t cowowski and thinking grow rich by napoleon hill and 48 laws of power like i was like when i say locking in i was locking in fucking the synchronicity key by

david wilcock the hidden you of the hidden intelligence guiding you in the universe and reading these things, bro, took my mind so far out there, like, I was on some shit, like, I ain't going fail, bro. I can't fail, you feel what I'm saying? Like, if I fell, I'm a dick here. And then on top of that, like how you said, you've seen people coming in and out, in and out, in and out, in and out, same dudes I was just on the, in the yard rapping with. These niggas connected and everything.

Their cousin is Al B, ow, and they connected this person, they right back in here. Right back at my door, though, this is the crazy thing. Right back at my door, like they never left. Yo, swag. You got a suit? Hey, yo, let me go over the bag of chips till can't eat, bro. Like, my nigga, like, I'm still doing the same sentence, bro. I'm still doing the same sentence.

This is my halfway point now. I'm at my halfway point where I'm realizing that. I stop talking to them, niggas. Don't talk to me. Don't talk to me. I stopped talking to the people who were a year short. If you were a year short, stop talking. Don't say shit to me.

You ain't got a new fit the time requirements to talk to me because I was so locked in and it was more than just a mind thing. Once my mind got there, I started getting my body there. So now I'm disciplined. As soon as my cell opened up in the morning, I'm not pulling the covers off of me as my cell door open up. I'm already at the door. I'm already disciplined.

I'm already in a workman's routine, a non-a-father. Actually, my shit is mother-fitting, 6 to mother-fucking 12 a.m. You feel me? Like, and it's like, I'm already in routine. I'm working out. After I'm done working out, I'm eating breakfast. By the time the door open that mother-fitting 6.30, I didn't already work out, washed up. You feel me, at the sink, red, prayed.

you feel me I started locking in it was more than just like for me it was more because then um I don't know like one second I want to read something to you I got something from prison I couldn't find a letter but it's a breaking point it was like a breaking point for me and in the letter I had promised her and everybody bro and this till this day it's still my driving factor My whole life, like I said, I always felt like I never fit in with nobody. I never kept friends.

I never could keep a girlfriend. I never could keep a cell meet. And I only ended up fighting a cell meet. I never could keep anything. So it's like since I've been home, if nothing else, bro, I'm going to keep my freedom. I did 17 years as a free man. Fuck you mean. And then 10 as in prison.

I got the rest of my life to live free. That's my biggest motivating factor. And then on top of that, like, when I came home, the first thing I wanted to do was lock in on something that I love, which was music, you feel what I'm saying? Like, I ended up becoming an audio engineer. You feel me? I went to school.

I ended up going to college. I never went to college before. I went to college. It's like everything I set my mind to do at this point. Bro, I made it in prison. You know how it is. You said you did 13 years. You know how it is in prison.

I made it through prison. So I don't, I can't even begin to understand why those type of doves do all that time and come back. I made it through where I was never supposed to make it from. You feel I'm saying? And I, and my mind wasn't even on no, I'm going to make it through this. I say I made it where I wasn't supposed to make it because I never went into it ever. I never thought I was coming home. I swear to God, till this day, nigga, 10 years, it's 10 years, but in my mind, I saw it as life.

I thought I was going to die in prison. I never got to like finish a little bit more of my adolescent part, but like the last stepdad that I had, my longest last stepdad, you feel me? He died in prison. That was the last father figure I had. He got snatched from me. and ended up dying in prison. It was in me so. It was like I thought I was going dying that motherfucker,

not even on no cliche shit. Like, oh, I got life and I ended up beating the charge and giving all the time back. No, I thought I was going to die in that motherfucker because it was already in my mind that I'm going to be the baddest motherfuck in here. And in my mind, the baddest motherfuck wasn't popping on you or popping on him or popping on him.

it was rocking off on the police. The niggas who keep taking our meals telling us we can't eat because they feel some type way about what we did when we live here. The motherfuckers that snipped our phone call when we only get 15 minutes any

you feel me? The ones who left our door locked, you know damn well I ain't showering like two days officer, I miss my door bro. You know what I'm saying? I was pissing real quick. I missed the door. Open my door back up. Those was the motherfuck. So I knew if I put my hands on them and everybody seeing me, you know what I'm saying, going wild on them.

Even if me and you would get into a fight. So what? The Ninja Turtles come. I'm not getting on the ground. I'm not getting on the ground. Put me there. And I had to get put there a few times for me to sit down and be like, this is not where I want to be. It's not where I want to be.

And then with everybody around me telling me like, yo, young. I knew it was, I knew, I'm like, I gotta get the f*** out of here now. When I was no longer the youngest nigga in prison, I realized I was like, for a long time, I was the baby. It was a few other niggas coming in around my age and shit like that, but they didn't stand out how I did. And that's why I never fit in. I realized that when I got the prison. I ain't fit in with nobody because I stood the fuck out. So it's like, once I start, it's like, damn, I'm older now.

Like this niggas coming in, these niggas are younger than me and anything. I'm like, damn, I don't want to be here. I can't, and I never go back. Like I said, I didn't been, I told myself, a part of, you know, a part of my plan to was just never go back. I told myself, I'll be, literally, all the things, it was an old-haired nigga that told me, Youngen, you got to find yourself.

I'm like, what the fuck is you talking about, OG. I know who I am, me. I know who I am. And then a few years later, my mind, I'm like, damn, what the fuck do that even mean? Find yourself. And I found myself, bro. I can see you as a 32-year-old man today with all that I've been through. I ain't going to hold you.

We ain't got enough time. Tell you everything like the, because there's so much shit. And then my brain, I ain't going to hold you. I can't focus for shit. My brain be all overplace with the stories. But it's like, once I found myself and I found myself by figuring out who I was not, I know every person that I'm not. I know everything that I don't want to do. I know every place I don't want to be. And I know every, you know what I don't want for my life. So once I figured that out, like,

everything else for me is like, you know what I'm saying? That's easy, man. I ain't going to say it's easy because it be times like a few days ago. I was in here, bro, I just wanted to cry, right? I'm saying, I just want to sit in this month and cry. But then I thought about it. I'm like, Free all my niggas that's not going to be home this year for the holidays. What the fuck I'm about to cry about out here in the free world? And, oh, because I'm alone. I'm technically homeless. I'm living in a hotel.

It's the holidays. Nobody's around. Who the fuck cares? I'm free. It's niggas who can't even call their mom. It's niggas who can't even call their kids and say, baby girls. Girl, I love you. Daddy love you. Daddy will be home soon.

Daddy really cares about you, you feel. I got to wait two hours in line to make a phone call and hope somebody picks up the phone. Because everybody's shit on D&D these days. You know what I'm saying? Fuck around. You got one call. That shit doesn't want. Straight the voicemail. You think if somebody picked up

on the first run, that's shit on voicemail. Let the nigga behind you see you hanging up trying to call back again. real quick. What I'm saying? Now you gotta make a decision. Freedom, niggas, man. That's why I'm still out here.

That's why I get up early in the morning, look what my situation is. No matter how much we want to sit there and bury that shit, it's so much shit going on. Like, for instance, I just, I've been smelling a dead body for a week. I've seen what the decomposition looks like this morning. This morning. Yeah, I made a quick little joke about it. But that shit, we humans. That shit going to fuck with my, I might see that

a nigga the night in my sleep. Who knows? But I got to get up tomorrow morning. If God grant me that blessing, I got to get up tomorrow morning and do anything that I said I was going to do today. Like how I'm doing anything the day that I said I was going to do yesterday.

Because when I, if I don't, I'm going to be sitting here doing nothing thinking about somebody I could go mother. Rob, for what? So when you, when, so you start writing songs, you want to try and make a go of it, you're about to get released. What's your plan? Just keep doing it and trying to make it work until it does work? All right, so at first, my shit was, I ain't going to lie.

At first, my shit was like, it was a, it was a. on some shit like as long as i'm out here i'm content right so i'm one year or three of being free that's no longer my mentality i'm no longer content with just being free like not for nothing i i expressed like gratitude and the text message but just this right here this happening you feel me bro you're matthew cox like i like i look like when um when when when um corey sent me information and shit he was like if somebody he wants to do uh interview and shit that was another great opportunity as well you feel me i looked it up like why i just briefly looked it up but last night after like after our correspondence like bro like i don't even know first of i don't even

know why i don't even know why corey felt like i was special enough to even get this interview this is this is amazing and this is just is a this is just a testament of my consistency you feel I'm saying like it's not happening by mistake I don't know what platforms this is going to reach who's gonna see it and hear it and maybe I'm saying click one of my links and see other shit you feel me but I brought every day that I'm free bro I think the man upstairs I only it's to the point where I don't even get into religious shit anymore like I'm just connected right there like right there and it's like I think him a day for being out here and now it's no

longer. Thank you, God, for letting me have another day free is. Thank you God for giving me another free day, and I'm going to show you what I'm going to make of this shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm going to show you what I'm going to make it is. Like, you gave me another 24. I got you. You feel me? Even if it's just like today, I got this interview with you this morning. Right. Later on the day, I'm going to be passing out clothes and food to people who need it in the community of New Brunswick and then later on that night I'm gonna be going to an event to a show to check out some artists and it's crazy because I've been on a hiatus for about like five six months nobody's really seeing me I've been like I'm saying hibernating like I went from

I went from literally I'm not to show you right now this shit is so crazy I went from doing shit like this all year. Right. You know what I'm saying? And then I went on a hiatus, bro. Like, I'm like, my whole shit, like right now I'm just, I'm on, I'm like on a, I guess you could call it a chill mode, like, I was selling out this year. you know what I'm saying like I can't get this up right I can't get this up I can't get this up

and it's deep for me it's deeper than just being able to be a rapper because I don't even rap about the same shit everybody else wraps about I promise you and I think you probably get a million artists a million artists probably see that shit but my shit just authentic bro and I tell people all the time bro I'm not doing that this shit for a million dollars. I'm not doing this shit for a record label deal. I'm not doing this shit for a shitload of clock. I swear to God on my soul, bro. I do this shit because it keep me out of trouble. I do this shit. Keep me out of trouble, bro. It keep me. It gives me something to do. You know what I'm saying? It gives me something to look forward to a day. I'm no longer

even a rapper. I could sell out a venue. I could do that. And mind you, I don't have all those seeing coming for me. I don't have a manager. I don't have a marketing team. I don't have a label. I'm not signed to anybody. I literally just sit like what I'm doing right now, just going on the internet, networking with people, sending DMs, doing what I got to do, bro. And then now it's like, I could do that. Now I'm an engineer. For the last two years, I've recorded over 150 artists started in a project room turned a project room into a real life state of art studio where would you believe this is in the projects oh my watch this all right here would you believe this is in the projects

That's a room in a project. That's a bedroom. That's a bedroom that looked like a sale to me, and I didn't want it to look like a cell no more, bro. You know what I'm saying? Every day, built that shit from the ground up. And you're recording artists and putting their stuff out? Yup, recording artists and helping them put their music on different.

their music on different platforms you feel me all all from a project room you feel me and then i ended up getting a real studio you feel me right now now i got a studio with my boy you know we got a real state of art studio i don't recorded a few artists that's actually famous right now and shit like that was famous before i even got to them and he was like yo poor this shit we need book a session with you i do that shit for this I made, and the crazy thing is I made little to no money as an artist. Those three, just those three clips where you see everybody around me, I ain't make no money. Right.

No money. Like zero dollars. I ain't getting no money. One of those events, I remember once I had the black on a fucking, I had the black on the fuck. I had the black out on an event promoter. He took my last couple out. Look, niggas called the cops. me for overcharging the artist and because I took the stand on some prison

shit I'm like you're gonna give every artist back day money they called the cops on me this bag yes but okay lock that word out too you can't see that word oh but yeah man so much shit be going on with me bro like and it's like to the point where I try to like even if you was to go on any of my social media platforms. The first thing you see in my bio that say the voice of inspiration, the guy with a lot of energy. That's all I'd be wanting to do at this point. I just be

wanting to inspire, man. You feel what I'm saying? I want to let motherfuckers know that I don't get fuck. How hard you think you got it out here? It's motherfuckers that trade shoes with you right now. Right now. Like right now.

So I do all this shit for that, bro. I just try to stay true to self and keep my authenticity because at the end of the day I can't speak fad by yos but I just got to stay true to me man stay out of trouble like I know you heard this the the worst day out here is better than the best day in prison tell me about it literally and I literally done been there worst day out here crying why is this happening he got uh then thought about my best day in prison it's like you don't even compare people people have no idea

all that they said it's on some shit like yeah i didn't indulge in criminal activity gang activity you know i'm saying and broke the law and shit like that but i ain't one of them dudes that's going to sit on your platform and even say i glorify idiot that shit everybody got different life circumstances some people do it because they had to some people people People got into it because they was bored. Someone was misdirected and misguided. You know what I'm saying? But everybody, like I said, I coldly speak for me, man.

I just got to stay true to me. I ain't never say I'm no gangster, no super criminal. I'm not even America's most wanted. My guy. You really? You know who West Watson is? Who? Wes Watson?

why does that sound familiar i feel like he's like a huge prison influencer that has been going strong for like four or five years making a ton of money i mean he's still locked up no no he's he's he's you know they call basically you're like a prison YouTuber so you talk about prison shit right so he talks about he's like a motivational speaker he talks about being in prison he talks about all this stuff for about about four years four or five years now he's been going strong and it just came out there was a video that came out that like you know this guy's talking about doing i forget how much time whatever eight years 10 years been in you know level four yards uh this pr this pin this pen this

this happened this all this stuff and then it just came out there was a video that came out that was like it's not true like the guy did like 18 months a year he's never been in anything higher than like a never even been in like a medium it was like low security here low security here this is all these different things have been coming out uh in the last time this the guy has been making all this money in a living off of being a prison advocate and no not a prison advocate just like an influencer like bringing exposure to prisons he ain't even been to well you know what he did was he crafted a story that nobody really looked into until recently And there have been little things that have come out here and there where guys have come out who've been in prison with him and been like that, that dude, like I was in prison with that guy.

He, you know, we weren't in a pin. We was here, you know. Or, and then, of course, he doesn't really. Yo, that'd be the worst. When you come home and you see somebody tapping like they was downstate making it happen, like, bro, you were, you were asking for soaps down here. He wasn't. Right. You weren't.

You weren't, you weren't busy home. But what's funny is, like, I've, I've done videos. um you know not they're kind of like reaction but really it's just comical because the way he acts right and i've been like i've me and a buddy did one where we kind of like mocked him well i don't even think we mocked him we were just basically saying like like listen the guys like this don't exist like that guy the way he behaves he wouldn't make it in a pin because his own people would be like listen you got to calm the down like i don't know what you're thinking but you can't be behaving like that you know he's just bringing heat on you and he's he's he's

you'd have to watch the video and listen he may have helped a lot of people like like he may he the problem is this a lot of what he says is is um you know it is motivational but his backstory to get there is flawed he could have just said this is what happened to me i went to prison for whatever a couple years and i had an epiphany and i changed and and that would have been fine you know like, but like you, like I, I wanted to interview you when I saw you on Corrie's and you were, you know, the stuff you were saying was you were like, exactly, like, oh, listen, I'm not a gangster. I up here, up here, I went here. I was an idiot in prison. I have behaving like a fucking lunatic. I didn't think I'd make it. And listening to you talk, I said, that guy's got, you know, like he understands. He knows who he is. And that's the guy. I'd rather talk to that guy than the guy that's going to tell me some bullshit story about. You know, being in race riots and doing a stabbing this dude and having to hoot my paperwork. You know, it's crazy, bro, because I do have a few of those stories, you feel me? Like, I've real life got stories where I didn't have to put in some work.

Bro, on Corey's podcast, I showed them a few of my scars. Like, like I said, it's just not something I like to glorify. It's not even something. Like, a lot of people won't even, like, a lot of people don't even be knowing, especially the people. that just met me. I'm pretty sure the same with you, like the people that met you since you've been home. Unless you actually mention it, they probably would never even know that you've been to prison, that you were involved in, this, that, and the third. And I like to keep that pretense about me because I don't want you, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't want

people to automatically just be like, oh, he's a criminal. He's a fucking jailbird. No, it's a part of my life's story, but it's not my story. Right. I was going to say, I know. never, here's the thing. Like, I don't, I don't shy away from it, but it's not like I'm going to walk in and say, hey, man, I just got out of prison. Yeah, I never shy away. Yeah, but if it comes up, I'm like, I'm actually proud of it. Yeah, if I, if I'll tell you, I don't have a problem saying it. You know, yeah, no, I get it. I understand. But like, I don't have a problem saying it. If it comes up, you know, if it comes up to where it comes out naturally, then, then I'll mention it naturally. I have no problem with that. Somebody says, oh, man, you know, did you see that

movie i'll be like no when did it come out and they'll tell me and i'll be like uh no because i'll be honest with you you know i only really saw the movies they played on the movie channel and i'd be like i i wasn't really out at that time i still haven't turned my tv yeah i i was gonna say when you said you wake up you know you were waking up early and stuff guys will say um you know man you texted me at like 5 30 in the morning what are you doing up at 5 30 in the morning i would i always say because the sun is up well no i was because they because the guards turned And they turn the lights on a five. I was like so.

But you know, it's crazy. That's crazy because literally that used to be my response. You see how you see how my response adapted to the sun is up. Right. Now I have to say that out here. The lights on, asshole. That's why I'm up. The lights come on now.

The sun is up. The lights come on. Like, yeah, I wake up at that time because like clockwork, my mind was just ready for a light. my mind was ready for the do-d-d-d-d-d-d-shake something move something muck you feel me since it's a mum I might as well do some push-ups so I was well right see if I caught a mouse in the nakeshift trap I made that the night like the fuck so what happens so what listen so tell me about the body so a week of there you start smelling something um all right so yeah this

this morning I just hear walkie talkies keys and like cop activity like we know we know cops are around right I go out I open the door

and literally soon as I open the door 12 was like right in front of my door I'm like oh and I'm like I'm like I'm a humorous dude because first of all you know how it is in prison like man I'm not scared the cops out here fuck you motherfucker

I'll be trolling them sometimes so I'm like oh shit the police right looking at them and long story shirt like bro the smell i've been smelling all week i've been saying it to the residents here and you're telling you foul ass smell like nobody in these rooms that's i ain't seen in a few days like everybody's oh and nigger dead in the end of day that's what happened it's a dead-ass body i bought shoulder to pick you on the screen again we didn't want you to do you think it what

do you think he got overdosed or i mean you think it was an overdose you think he just I'm not going to lie to you. It was some, and it's crazy because I heard people saying what they said. I heard some commotion last week, early last week, you feel me? And I dead ass now to confirm what I heard people this morning because of what's going on. People are like, you know, I heard something last week, like a whole bunch of boys and shit, but I don't know what happened. And I'm not even about to say, and they make an assumption, man.

You know what I'm saying? Somebody might have gave him a kiss with the pillow. somebody might i'm saying touch them with a knife who knows he might just clunked up i don't know let you guys know where to find me so i don't know if i said in the beginning i'm swag so hood i'm an artist engineer from jersey i'm saying i'm a voice of inspiration guy with a lot of energy you can find me on all platforms at s w-g-s-o-h-o-o-d all one word Swag SoulHug, my Instagrams, underscore SwagSahood, Swag Suhud, everything.

Stay motivated, stay positive, and lock in on all high vibrations. Keep that little vibrational shit out your life. Hey, I appreciate you guys checking out the video. Do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Share the video, like the video. Leave me a comment,

and I'm going to leave all of Swag's links in the description box. So if you want to click on those and check it out, I appreciate it. See you. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm putting out a credit course. The course is going to be designed to build, to repair credit, but more so also to build credit, which is where my strengths lie. Obviously, I've, you know, illegally created over 50 or 60 identities through creating

synthetic profiles. I've borrowed, I don't know, the FBI said it was around $55 million. I went to prison for 13 years for doing exactly that. I've owned a financial institution, and I've worked hand in hand with the owners of financial institutions as well as underwriters. So I know what happens and what the banks and financial institutions are looking for on the back end.

And that's really where my strengths lie and how I'm going to create this course in order to help you legally build your credit so that you can borrow, have as much borrowing capacity as is legally possible. If you're interested in the course, go to the description box, click on the link, put in your email address. You will be sent two letters. One is a letter requesting information for collections on your credit. The other one is a letter disputing those collections. These are letters that I've personally used to help get rid of collections on people's credit. And you will also be notified when the course comes out. The first letter is designed to request information on any collection that shows up on your credit.

Now, once you receive that information, the second letter is designed to dispute that information that has been sent to you for the collection. By using these two letters, typically you're able to get rid of any collection that is on your credit. So, listen, the first letter that you're going to get is basically that letter is designed to dispute any collection that shows up on your credit. right so you've got you pull your credit which we're going to get into you know you pull your you get your free annual credit report you get it we're going to explain how to kind of look at it determine what collections need to be removed so you're going to take a look at that you're going to find those collections and then this letter is to is it's set up so that you can request information from the collection company about the

actual debt, outstanding debt. What's interesting is that you'd be shocked how many of these companies can't provide much of anything. They typically, and I mean, I mean like 95% of time, they can't provide any contracts, they can't provide anything that you've signed. Typically what they've got is they purchased or were assigned a debt from, you know, a hospital,

a phone bill, maybe some kind of a phone, you know, a cellular company, or a utility, or maybe it's even a credit card company. And all they really get is your name, some very basic information that says that you owe this debt. So what happens when you go back to them and you say, listen, this is an $1,100 debt that I don't believe I owe, and I'd like to know what information you have that proves that I owe this debt. You're not actually denying that you owe the debt. You're just saying, I don't believe that this is, I don't think you have the information. I don't really think that this may even be me.

Maybe it's not me. Why do you think it's me? Now, typically, they can't send you anything. So, of course, what you're going to do is you're going to take this letter. You're going to fill it out with the information. You're going to mail it in. You're going to get a certified, you want to get a certified, you know, return receipt. because if they don't respond, when you go to,

if they never send you anything, and sometimes that happens. If you have the certified receipt, they signed for it. They just didn't respond. Okay, now they're breaking, now they're, I don't say they're breaking the law, but they're now not following procedure. So it should be very easy to get that collection taken off of your credit report. But let's say, so what you do is now you say, hey, look, I send them the letter, here's the letter I sent, they signed for it, they never respond.

now you can send that to the credit bureaus. The credit bureaus now have to do an investigation, and if they can't prove that they did send you the information, then they'll take it off your credit. And that's one way. What if they do respond? What if you send them that letter and they send you some very basic information? Typically, like I said, 95% of the time,

you're going to get one or two pages that are, it's a printout. Now, so the second letter is designed for you to dispute that, which is saying, one, I don't see anywhere that this says that this is me that took this debt out. You know, this may have been a, it may be a case of a stolen identity or, you know, it may be identity theft, it may be a mistake. I don't see where you have my driver's license, my information, my social security number, my date of birth, my signature. I don't see where you have a contract, where I signed.

So you'll then dispute it again using the second letter explaining all of that. now they have a certain period of time obviously once again you want a certified receipt you'll send in that receipt or you'll sorry you'll you'll you'll receive that receipt knowing that they received it and if they can't then come up with any of that information you can then go to the credit bureaus and say listen this is what they sent this is what i sent them in response this is a letter they received the letter and they were never able to come up with anything that said i owe this debt. Now, if those two things don't work, there is a third option, and we'll get into that in the course, obviously. But a lot of times these two letters on their own will work.