Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Cat Burglar Steals Millions From 200 Homes Jennifer Gomez

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Starting point is 00:01:40 My friend's parents are rich. I know how rich people live. It was over 200 homes. And then they stopped counting around for 7 million. So there's helicopters flying over. There's cops parked on every other street. There's got to be like a murder on the loose. And the people were looking for me the whole time.

Starting point is 00:01:55 That Friday they rated the house. He has no idea that I've ever been a criminal. He knows nothing. I'm fleeing the country. Please come with me. You're going to make me start crying because I see your eyes watering. Jesus Christ. Don't get teary eyed on me.

Starting point is 00:02:08 You didn't give me a crap up. When I first said cat burglar, when I jumped out there with it on social media, it was like, I said cat burglar because there's an element of stealth to a cat burglar versus someone who throws a brick through a window. Right. And takes your laptop and runs to the pawn shop, you know. So there was like many times that people were, you know, would come face to face with me. We would lock eyes. They would offer to help me commit these crimes, not even knowing, neighbors and stuff.

Starting point is 00:02:33 And nobody could ever ID me or like point me out or anything, any type of ID. So there was an element of stealthy invisibility to my cat burglar. Well, I automatically see, you know, I see catwoman, you know, stealing the side of a wall, a wall, you know, going in the window. Well, real quick, like, I mean, where, like, I know you just came from Jacksonville, but where were you raised? So until I was 10, I was in Dominican Republic. My dad's Dominican. My mom's from Spain. Okay. So I was in Dominican Republic. So I was 10. And then we came to Jacksonville, Florida. And then I was there ever since. I never left Jacksonville. Why did you guys move from Dominican? My parents met in medical school. So my dad's psychiatrist, my mom's a neurologist. And they met in medical school in the DR. Yeah, I know crazy, right? Like this was that that's that that's an element of my story too. That's so crazy because I didn't have to, there wasn't anything that wasn't afforded to me. I didn't have

Starting point is 00:03:30 to go out and be a dumb crazy person that wanted to, like they were late. They were labor. Yeah, right. I wasn't struggling like in any facet really. And so that should, things that I did, they shouldn't have happened and it's just ridiculous that they did. But anyway, so my parents met in medical school. My dad was the professor in the psychiatric department. And they basically started a practice in Dominican Republic. But was your mom a student? Yeah, she was a student. You're kidding me. A professor slept with a student?

Starting point is 00:03:59 Yeah, I know. You just would never think. So, yeah, he wooed her, I guess. And so they got married. They had me, while my mom was doing her residency, they started a practice together. But it was really mostly my dad. But my mom, she wanted to make a lot of money. And she wanted to do big things.

Starting point is 00:04:19 And so she wanted to come here. And so they did. They came to the States. And they just literally picked some. somewhere in Florida because there was a lot of old people and my dad wanted to do geriatric psychiatry older people so they just came some they I asked them and they're like we literally just picked somewhere like in Florida there's a lot of old people so well there's a lot of old people in Florida generally I could pick pretty much anywhere yep yep so that's that's how we ended up

Starting point is 00:04:47 okay so you went to what you do it is just you're an only child um my dad had three kids my mom had three kids and then they got married and it's two boys and a girl and two girls and a boy. It's the Brady bunch. Yeah, it's very, very comparable to the Brady bunch. He doesn't know what the Brady Bunch is. Colby's so young, he doesn't know what the radio bunches. I know. It's all the time. At least twice an episode. Somebody says something and I know. My first thought is, Colby doesn't know who that is. I asked my son the other day. I was like, Dom, do you know any celebrities? Like, name a few celebrities. You know, and I'm like, so he says, Slim Shady because he's on 4th.

Starting point is 00:05:23 Eminem. But he knows him as Slim Shady because he's on Fortnite. And he's like The Rock. And then he named like some athletes. And he only knows him because he's on Fortnite. Because they're on Fortnite. I'm not hip at all. But I know who Slim Shady is.

Starting point is 00:05:35 Yeah. Yeah. So he's like and I'm like, do you know who? Because this was when the Diddy thing was just starting. And I was like, do you know who Puff Daddy is or like JLo? And he's like Ariana Grande? And I'm like, no. But outside of like Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande and these few other people, all this like the world has changed society has changed completely we're not there's no more celebrities

Starting point is 00:05:56 these shows everything's just right it's like different everything's so different but yeah so okay so my dad had three my mom had three they got married they had me um my brothers and sisters they're all and it really is like the brady bunch they're my dad's my mom and my dad each one they're like they they pair up like two or 13 the next two are 11 and the next two or nine and then I'm born so when I was born it was nine 11 and 13 and they all had like a pair. And basically what happened was they grew up kind of struggling because my parents, you know, my dad was, he was a professor. But by the time you came along.

Starting point is 00:06:30 But by the time, yeah, that's what happened. By the time I came along, everything was great. It was, you know, good. Everything was good. It was good. So I had a good life. And my brothers and sisters, they could not imagine how I wouldn't do great, like the greatest things with the life that was afforded to me when they were literally doing two for

Starting point is 00:06:47 one coupons at Burger King. and really struggling. That's how my siblings, they hate me. They're like, are you the youngest? 16 years old. You got him, he got a car. That's what happened to me. That's what happened to me.

Starting point is 00:06:58 He had to be 17, had to pitch in. It was 10 year old piece of garbage. Yep. Yep. Yeah. By the time I'm born at six years old, we moved into the new house with the pool. And, you know, it's huge in a nice area, Temple Terrace. And they're like, the fuck.

Starting point is 00:07:13 Yeah, like he didn't. So are you the youngest? Yeah. That's it, man. It's the youngest thing. I really feel like being in prison and talking to people and then people that have gotten in trouble, there is something to this birth order thing. Yeah, yeah, like the middle child.

Starting point is 00:07:28 The middle child, the oldest, the baby. I mean, it's, it's, yeah. Is the middle, is the older children in your family? Are they kind of like super successful? They're exactly what you, the stereotypical, yes. That's my sister. Yeah. Super successful.

Starting point is 00:07:41 They're, my sister is not like super successful. She's a realtor, but, you know, things are going on now in that market. So, um, but. But she's very anal. She's very like everything just has its place. Black and white. You're right or you're wrong. This is good or it's bad.

Starting point is 00:07:55 And that's it. Like there is nothing else. Right? Is that my sister? Oh. Listen, my sister. Judgmental as hell. No.

Starting point is 00:08:02 Oh my God. That's not true. And if it's not whatever she likes, like it's beyond her way is the right way. It's just like it's, her way is the only way. Like how dare you even think of outside of whatever she thinks? If my sister texts me and she. She's like, oh, what are you doing today? I'm like, oh, I'm trying to find somebody that makes these mugs that are big enough that I can put my logo on that, you know, I'm just trying to kind of hunting down some mug stuff.

Starting point is 00:08:26 Listen, I have two friends that make mugs? Have you tried this website? Like, she'll spend the next hour researching it. And she's trying to be helpful. Right, right, right, right, right. You have to not mention things because she jumps all over it. And next thing you know, hey, I can schedule an appointment for it. Like, I've said I'm looking for mugs.

Starting point is 00:08:42 And then they get aggravated if you don't do whatever. Yes, I know. I got you. So, okay. So that happened. And basically, by the time I was about 12, everybody was gone. You know, it was just my mom, my dad, myself. I think one brother was still living at home. But everybody was at school, university. Nobody has like, just for reference, nobody in my family has tattoos. They don't smoke cigarettes. They, you know, might have an occasional social drink. Nobody's been to jail. Nobody's been in trouble. I don't even know if these people have all gotten speeding tickets. I really don't know. but it's like these people. Like the people as in the whole group

Starting point is 00:09:21 collectively. Yeah, I don't know. I can't say that every one of them has. But what ended up happening was my parents got divorced. So at 12, you know, things started kind of getting a little rocky. My parents ended up getting divorced

Starting point is 00:09:35 when I was 15. It was not traumatic. There was not like some moment that I had that was just, oh my gosh, my life is falling apart. It's not at all. They got divorced. I was fine with it.

Starting point is 00:09:44 I saved with my mom. Both of them were very, very successful, but I always just had this need for like something else, something, I don't know, I felt like I was just bored in life. Like the mundane things that everybody did get up, go to work, the same routine every day. I just felt bored. I needed some kind of like stimulation mentally. I was just, I just thought everything was boring as hell. So I went and I sought it out and I found it in people and environments and like just crazy things that weren't, you know, allowed like skipping school like just very basic you know not anything that's you sought out so I sought out

Starting point is 00:10:19 I really sought out anything that was like quote unquote fun what I thought was fun but really it was just chaos and like toxicity and just whatever wasn't allowed um so I would like skip school basically my mom's only agenda was get good grades get good grades get into a good university follow the path that we all you know followed and become a doctor or a lawyer or something like that and I'm sorry but I'm desperately want to say a Spanish girl that seeks out toxicity. Yeah, I know. That's not true. I've never heard that.

Starting point is 00:10:51 Listen, I was married to a Puerto Rican. It's like, that's our element. It's our element, like, is to. He was happiest when there was chaos that she can complain. I, I know this.

Starting point is 00:11:01 I just want peace. I know this. I know this. They will create it. And I'm not going to lie. I'm not above it. There was a lot of years of my life where if things were going good, I would,

Starting point is 00:11:11 I mean, God, I don't even want to say it. But yeah, I would like create, yeah, I would say, I would create something. I would sabotage it and create something because. Some women do that. And now, but listen, thankfully now I'm at peace. No, no, you're all better.

Starting point is 00:11:23 It was a bad time. It was a lot of bad years. But I didn't even know they were bad because I was having fun. I was having a great time. So in the midst of all this, I started dating, you know, I started finding an attraction to guys that were just douchebags and that had. Bad boys. Yeah, bad boys.

Starting point is 00:11:39 The very, very classic bad boy. And I met a Russian and how much, I mean, how much more bad can you get than a Russian who just came to this country a few years ago has all these like illicit businesses that you don't know what's going on? And how old they have? I met him and I was 17. How old was he? He was four years older than me. So he was 21. And he had only been here like maybe, I don't know, a year or so when I met him.

Starting point is 00:12:05 So, but everybody told me my, the reason I'm, the way I met him was because my best friend was Russian. And, you know, a lot of those people together. Yeah, they click up a little groups. Or what do you call it? Yeah. Yeah. Communities. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:16 Right. Communities. Exactly. So there was like a little Russian community. And my best friend and I were in high school. We went to a party that was one of her parents' friends' son. The parents were out of town and the son was having a house party. And so I met this Russian.

Starting point is 00:12:30 And I met him at the party. And I thought he was just like super mysterious and powerful. And he had this big S500 Mercedes black with, you know, dark. Like just all. these things, you know, and plus I'm like 17 and he's 21 and so the car alone was just like, yeah, very impressive. You know, your standards back then, the

Starting point is 00:12:47 checklist is very superficial. So I saw this car, I saw him, he was attractive, nobody was dating him, so he wasn't like some jock at the school that was passed around. And I was like, I like him. And my best friend was like, stay away from him completely because he is trouble, he's bad news. And I was like, why?

Starting point is 00:13:06 And she couldn't give me an answer. She couldn't tell me why. She just said that her parents said that him and his family were bad news. And I was like, okay, so that made him more attractive. So at that point, I was like, okay, I got to figure him out, you know. I ended up leaving the party that night, and he actually cut me off in my car. And he was like, hey, where are you going? And I was like home?

Starting point is 00:13:26 And he was like, well, you want to go hang out? And I was like, yeah. Do I? Yeah. Yeah. I've been thinking about this for like the last half hour. Yes, I do. So we went and hung out.

Starting point is 00:13:35 Nothing crazy happened. We just dated for like a couple, not even a month, maybe. like maybe like around a month we talked on the phone i was still going to school so i did not i wasn't you know going on trips or anything with him i was young um but we would talk on the phone all the time i would sneak out to go see him i would spend the weekends hanging out with him and we hadn't even had sex or anything like we were just you know little kid type of stuff um and he's waiting for you to be 18 basically maybe man i don't know but then even before that happened he disappeared the guy just disappeared one day just no more answering the phone it's an international uh intrigue story

Starting point is 00:14:09 Yeah, it is because I was, but then I got pissed because after he disappeared for long enough, I was like, I asked everybody like, where is he? Katie, where is he? Everybody knew where he was. Nobody knew anything about his whereabouts. I couldn't go ask his parents because they didn't know me. So I just left it at that and I chalked it up to like, oh, he has a wife somewhere and, you know, he just was like using me for that month for, I don't know what. And, I mean, basically.

Starting point is 00:14:34 So he ended up fleeing the country. I didn't know this. Okay, he was gone for about four years. One night at a club, I never forgot him, by the way, Matt. I never forgot him. He always was in my heart. I was like, this fucker's going to appear one day somewhere. Like, this guy's going to come back.

Starting point is 00:14:55 And so I just thought he was like my Prince Charming out there. And one day, I was at the club. Four years have gone by. I'm pulling in the valet. And because, you know, we valet back then because I don't know why I had a Mitsubishi. Eclipse, so I don't know I'm valet. But I was. I was valeting with my friends.

Starting point is 00:15:11 We're getting out of the car. There's a big S-500 black Mercedes in front of me, but it's a newer body style. And I see it. And the car forever stuck with me as like his car. You know, it's like when you smell a cologne or perfume and you're like, or hear a song, you're like, remember that time. So when I see an S-500 Mercedes, it's him. It's always him.

Starting point is 00:15:29 So it's black. And it's, I'm like, oh, man, him, you know. And then I see a dude, a dude, coming out of the club, walking. to that car and I swear to everything, it's his entire silhouette. And I'm like, Katie, because it's still my best friend Katie. I'm like, that's him. That's him. And she's like, no.

Starting point is 00:15:48 But anyways, I couldn't get a good look. There was like columns and pillars and all kinds of stuff. And then he got in the car fast. And so I just tried to forget about it that night. I asked some people, nobody would give me like a clear answer. And I was just like, what are the chances? Like, there's no way. Because it's been four years now.

Starting point is 00:16:02 You got these been a long time. So after that. What's his name? His name's Gia. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say it a little while ago, but I was like, if I say Gia, then people might be like,

Starting point is 00:16:12 what did she say? What? G-I-Y-A. So, yeah. Okay. So, his name's Gregorian, but anyways. So, yeah. Very, very, very.

Starting point is 00:16:23 That car left the club. I went in. I tried to party. I did. I kind of tried to forget about it because I was like, I'm a crazy person. Like, there's no way it was him. I end up going back to the apartment that Katie, my best friend and I shared. And all of a sudden.

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Starting point is 00:17:01 Visit Ancestry.ca. For more details. Terms apply. Around 3.30 in the morning, there's a knock. And I'm like, huh? And, you know, we're both a little drunk, you know, I don't know how we survived back then without DUIs and stuff or like killing anybody because, anyways, I don't know how any of us survived.

Starting point is 00:17:20 Anybody my age is like 40 survived those times without getting trafficked or like killed. So we drove home and we were a little tipsy and I'm like, who the hell is at our door at this time? I'm, you know, I'm thinking maybe it's like somebody for Katie or something. So I literally, I look through the peephole and I swear again on, it's this guy, it's that silhouette. But I can't see him very well. It's kind of dark. I see it.

Starting point is 00:17:44 And I'm like, so I cracked the door and I have a little chain on. He's like, hey, baby. And I'm like, what? And it was him. So, and he has, man, I got it like when we're done. I have to show you, I have to like show you a video so you can hear his voice because you have to really like conceptualize this. Because he has this heavy ass accent. And so, anyway, so he's like, hey, baby.

Starting point is 00:18:04 And I'm like. Oh my gosh. That doesn't sound sexy. It doesn't. It sounds so corny, but it was. It was sexy. I promise. It was sexy.

Starting point is 00:18:11 So I opened the door and I'm instantly flooded with like, holy shit. I'm so happy to see you. Holy shit. I have another boyfriend. Holy shit. Where did you go? Like where have you been? You're an asshole.

Starting point is 00:18:24 And how are you back? Like everything's just so weird. And I'm drunk. So, you know. I feel like this guy looks like Drago from Rocky, Rocky 3. Do you know who Drago is? I don't know who that. that is, but what does he look like?

Starting point is 00:18:36 Are you serious in Rocky through the Russian from Rocky? No, but is he like, like six foot four? Can I just show you him real quick? Sure. I'll pull, I'm gonna pause it. Can we use a picture of him here or no? Yeah, yeah, you can use a picture of him. He got murdered a year ago and before he got murdered.

Starting point is 00:18:51 This is Drago. No, he doesn't, he's got, he's dark, but I'll say he was, he was, before he left, before he got murdered. He um the VH I was doing that VH one thing and he was like super excited about he was like yeah I want to be on there put my pictures I mean famous baby and all this stuff so he does like literally not care at all if he was here he would tell you that and I know it listen hey baby what's up are you okay what happened to you man you got lost just write me sometime or something talk to me don't fucking get don't get up I'm gonna fuck you up I will kill your No, he was like real.

Starting point is 00:19:32 I'm like that one of the I'm going to do. See you two bitches down me. I'll tell you when to get up. No, he was like real deal. I tell people, I'm like, he's really a mafia guy. And that was part of the attraction because he was so nice to me. He'll be like, hey, baby.

Starting point is 00:19:49 Yeah, it was serious. So what is okay? I didn't know that. I didn't know that was at the end. I was trying to find one. I mean, I'm sure I've heard it, but. Yeah, that was good. I think that that sums it up.

Starting point is 00:20:02 Yeah, it does. So do you want to pick, do you, well, so that's what he looks like. Oh my, you know who he looks like? Joseph Vitale. Looks just like, look, even that. Is that not a Vitale picture? So that is him. That is Gia.

Starting point is 00:20:17 And he came in, so, you know, circling back to the apartment. He's at the apartment door. I'm excited. I'm also a little piss that you've been missing for four years. And it's just all. confusing. So he comes in at first I'm like, yeah, whatever, but then I'm like, you know, I want to be like that tough woman. Like, I'm not just going to fall for you again. Like, what the hell? And why are you? And how did you even find my, like, everything's going through my head? Like,

Starting point is 00:20:43 how did you even find where I'm out right now? How do you know where my apartment is? So anyways, he ends up telling me that he was fleeing the country because he got in some legal problems. He didn't go too much into detail, but he said that there was, you know, somebody was hurt. I found out later that, yeah, somebody was hurt. Somebody was like stabbed. They ended up in a wheelchair, then they wouldn't testify against him. So that's why he came back. They paid him. A bunch of weird shady dealing. So he ended up coming back. And he was here. And he just never forgot me. And he just loved me all these years and always thought about me and whatever. And so I'm trying to be like all hard and tough. But of course, I'm like, okay, I never forgot you either.

Starting point is 00:21:21 And I'm like, all right. So I'm excited. I'm like, this is like some kind of mafia love story. And those always end up well. to be fair all the movies I watched all the you know casinos and all the um didn't end up well everything everything all the classic you know good fellas mob movies I always like almost idolized that that wife role that mob wife role even though they went through shit they got cheated on they got like a piece all this stuff I just saw it as like I had this thing where I was just enamored with powerful guys who were like very feared by other others but were super nice to me and he like me fit that mold that's us that's our dynamic like I thought

Starting point is 00:22:07 him walking into a room or walking down the street and people being like you know was like a great thing but then he's like you know because he was he actually was really nice to me like he was never abusive he never talked to me bad he was never he was just never mean or forceful or aggressive with me at all I don't even really honestly can remember many times when we got got into an argument, like even just, you know, verbal argument. He would usually let me have it. He would give me whatever I wanted. He was just really nice to me.

Starting point is 00:22:36 And it wasn't like a honeymoon phase thing either because when we did end up dating again, we ended up dating for quite a few years. And he was like that the whole time. So anyways, it was really hard to break loose from that because he was good to me. So I overlooked a lot of things he was doing life. I started slowly finding out things like he had this. And extradictions and murders. That's, that's his work life.

Starting point is 00:23:02 I didn't. And you know what? That's how, I promise you, that's how I thought about it. I was like, I'm not doing it. It's not me. I'm not there. I'm not present. I'm not a part of it.

Starting point is 00:23:12 You don't have to convince me. I'm okay with the crime. Okay. All right. Because I was like, I literally don't know what's going on over there, but I just love you. So just leave that over there and I'm just going to keep living over here. Sometimes you're going to dinner. You can hear the guy kicking in the trunk.

Starting point is 00:23:27 But you just put that aside. You compartmentalize the fact that there's a guy right up in the trunk. I was so good at compartmentalizing. So good. Yeah, actually, things like that happened. It's really, it's funny that you actually use those examples. So then something like this would happen, right? So just so you can see what I'm looking at.

Starting point is 00:23:43 I would see his, he had a business. He had a mortgage company or so I saw. So I thought, right there. I can deal, listen, I can deal with the kidnappings, the extortion. a mortgage broker? This is like his office, right? Now, he's not a mortgage broker. He's just, you know, he owns a, it just says a Marifund Mortgage, Inc.

Starting point is 00:24:07 on the sign. That's what I see. I think it's a mortgage company. I mean, okay, so I go to the office several times, and I'm like, so that's the picture of the office, and I'm like, there's nobody, like, where are your employees? There's nobody in here. It's a desk. There's like one phone that has a long cord to a wall.

Starting point is 00:24:25 There's like two chairs and maybe. be like a half a computer like the keyboard or something. Where is everybody and where is everything? Where are your filing cabinets? And he's like, oh, they're out. They're buying. It was under the guys that like they were buying foreclosed homes. Like that's the properties they would buy.

Starting point is 00:24:39 They would rehab them. And then they would sell them, put them back on market, rent them, whatever. So I believed it. And I was like, oh, they're all out, you know, on the field, out in the field or whatever. They're on site getting these foreclosed homes. And so I started noticing weird things. no employees, a weird office. Then you have like a mechanic shop, but I don't ever see anyone like bringing a car and getting a fix. I just see cars going in and then I don't see them coming

Starting point is 00:25:08 back out. And I'm like, what's odd? Where's the owner going to pick up their car? So I'm thinking, I'm starting to actually think now. This is before I started hearing people kicking in trunks and stuff like that. So I'm starting to think like things are strange because for a while, honestly, for a while in the beginning, I actually thought that these businesses were legit. And that's how they made their money. I didn't know criminals. I didn't grow up around them. I just did not think. I thought criminals looked like, you know, people in alleys with guns and like hoods and stuff. So prosecutors describe that as willful blindness. But go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, I would say I would the, all the signs were there, but you didn't allow yourself to. Yeah. And yeah. And like, since nothing was

Starting point is 00:25:47 directly affecting me, I didn't care to investigate more. I was like, this is. So, so I basically, this went on for a couple years. And there came a point when one day I was at the house and he called me. And he, well, no, let me, let me back up. About three weeks before this incident that I was about to explain, it was maybe five, six in the morning. And I had been asleep all night like a normal person. And I hear a lot of ruckus in the garage. And we have, this is our, in our home. And I hear a lot of ruckus in the garage. At this point, I've, like, distanced myself from my family because they think he's not a good person. So I'm isolated from them. I've isolated from all my friends. I've dropped out of college and I'm just like it with this guy in our own little world that nobody likes.

Starting point is 00:26:31 And so I hear all this ruckus in the garage and I get up and when I go out there, I see him and a couple of other Russian guys speaking in Russian and moving a lot of equipment. I mean equipment like this, like, you know, just tech type of stuff, but it looks like it all came from like a club, like club type of things, you know, big huge speakers, a big like turntable type of setup, things like that and a lot of it. So I'm like, what's going on? And I wasn't, it wasn't that I wasn't used to things coming in the garage because from the homes that were being rehabed, there was always like refrigerators and stoves and things like that coming through because they were fixing the homes, right? So I was used to seeing a lot of appliances and things around.

Starting point is 00:27:09 But anyways, it was like they were moving fast. They were talking, you know, fast and it all just felt a little shady. So I was like, what's going on? He was like, oh, baby, go back. Go back to sleep. Go back to sleep. So I was like, okay. So I went back to sleep.

Starting point is 00:27:21 I left it alone. I didn't really think much of it. soon after that, maybe like a day or two, I was like, what was going on in the garage? And finally, he was like, okay, this guy borrowed money from me. He had an after-hours club because it was very big for the Russian community to all have like little after-hour spots. Gia had one as well. He had an after-hours club as well.

Starting point is 00:27:40 His wasn't like a little spot. It was like a club, like he had a big club. So he basically was like, this guy borrowed money from me because his club wasn't doing well. So he had this big club and he said that this guy that had like a smaller spot was doing really bad and he needed a little loan so I guess we're in loan sharking too now I like but anyways he loaned him the money he didn't pay it back so he went and he took all his shit yeah he took all his expensive equipment you can't run the you know the spot without the equipment and he took it all and if he

Starting point is 00:28:06 had to he would just sell it and get his money back so I was like so that was the first moment that he like actually admitted something criminal directly to me face to face and that was the moment that you know a normal person would be like oh shit like you're now you're just outright saying it because once you kind of open the door and start revealing yourself to people, it's not like the mask is slipping. Like you're telling them now and now they're starting to, you know, their standards, my standards were lowering like I'm finding these things acceptable. I'm okay with it and I'm staying. So now I'm, you know, I'm complicit in this now. That's how you're also how you rope someone in as you give them a little pieces.

Starting point is 00:28:40 You don't walk in and say I got 15 businesses. They're all criminal. That's exactly to the T what happened. Shortly after that, about three weeks, he ended up calling me one day. it was, you know, in the afternoon, middle of the day. And he ended up saying, baby, I've been shot, I've been shot. I know that baby startled you, right? He startled the hell on me too. So when he called me and that happened, I was like, you've been what? Shot.

Starting point is 00:29:05 Like, I've never even been to a funeral at this point. I didn't know anybody that's died. I didn't know anybody that's been shot. Like, this is, I'm not in this life. So I'm like, you've been shot and he's like, yeah. And I'm like, where the hell are you? So he ends up telling me where he's at. He ends up pulling over.

Starting point is 00:29:19 I go to meet him when I get to the place. where his car is parked. He's moved to the passenger seat. He is holding his arm. It looks like it's just gone straight through. And he's holding it. He's got a shirt tied around it. And he's bleeding pretty bad.

Starting point is 00:29:33 And at this point, I'm like, okay, so let's go to the hospital. And he's like, no, no hospitals. And I'm like, oh, shit, here's that stuff I see in the movies. The Goodfellas, the casino movies, no hospital. This is not good. What in a robbery that you can explain? So, did you ask what happened? I did not at that moment.

Starting point is 00:29:51 that I was trying he was kind of going in and out it wasn't in and out of like consciousness but it was just in and out of like shit this hurts like leave me the fuck alone type of thing so I didn't want to be like super naggy at that moment I wanted to make sure he was safe and okay and I knew I would get the details later or so you know I thought so um I did I did ask him what happened and he said someone shot him which obviously I could see that but I didn't I didn't question much more yeah yeah um So I end up leaving my car there I end up driving him home I get him in the shower when we get home

Starting point is 00:30:26 I put a chair in there he sits down kind of washing everything off he's just kind of sitting there like this At this point he's like baby get the stuff out of my car Please go burn it take all these clothes that he just took off burn him And I'm like okay go burn to clothes Man I'm in this I'm getting in this shit deep So he's so I get the clothes I go outside I burn him I go in the car make sure there's nothing else in there

Starting point is 00:30:46 I find a boulder like not a boulder I guess a boulder is huge like a convent piece of concrete like this and has blood on it and not like a speckle like a lot like a big piece of blood um on this rock on this huge rock cement thing so i take that i try to put it in the burn pit and anyways i burn everything so now another thing has happened you know so now these things are happening and so a couple days go by he does finally end up telling me that he went to go do a drug deal he ended up he's he's now telling me that he's selling which he was he actually got caught federal caught by the feds bringing it from New York to Florida.

Starting point is 00:31:25 And he disappeared one time in the midst of our relationship for like two or three days. And I didn't know where he was. And his mom said that he was like on a little mini like vacay with his brother who needed to do something for like medically do something with his brother. And those people were very like they were very secretive and stuff. And especially women like you don't ask a lot of questions. So when she said like the dad, the brother and him went to go do something that was medically necessary for the brother. other, that was just it. But really, he was in jail in Georgia, in a federal detention center in Georgia. I don't know a lot about feds, but it was a federal detention center in Georgia in Fulton,

Starting point is 00:32:01 I think. Right. Right. Yeah, yeah. Probably, uh, Atlanta City detention center, ACDC. Yeah, I don't, whatever. Yeah, it was something federal. Um, there was like three cars and they were coming from New York and they each had heroin in him and he was in the last car, but he did not have him in his, but they were all together and I guess they could like prove it or whatever. At the very least they could hold him for yeah yeah and that's what happened. So they ended up holding him for like three I think maybe four days and when he had disappeared. So, you know, so anyways, I ended up finding out about that like the truth about that and he totally said like it really wasn't his, whatever, you know, he was just making a little money off the side being like security escorting.

Starting point is 00:32:39 And I'm like, you're not security type. So this doesn't make sense. But so I'm finding out all these things. Just like you said, I'm finding out little by little. Now the shooting thing. And what ended up happening was I, I ended up becoming involved because when the shooting happened, okay, because I had to give you the backstory. Because a lot of times people, they know my story about being a cat burglar, but they don't know how I really got there and why.

Starting point is 00:32:59 Like I didn't just wake up, the daughter of two doctors, who had a good education and a good future and say, I'm going to start robbing people for their shit all over Florida. Like, it's crazy. So I ended up getting into it like this. He wanted to go get back his stuff from this guy

Starting point is 00:33:14 who he was doing a drug deal with. The guy supposedly ended up saying he was going to buy a large amount of but when Gia got there the guy ended up pulling a gun on him shooting him and taking the drugs and not paying him so Gia was very pissed off and he wanted to go get his money his drugs and beat the guy up and like whatever just get payback all around what however he could um i like the noble girlfriend bonnie and Clyde er that i was at the moment said i'm going with you and i'm going to be the driver. Because let's go get this fucker and get all your shit back and I'm going to drive you because who's going to look out better than me like your friends aren't going to do it. They don't care. They're going probably they're going to haul ass if they see the guy or pull out with a gun or something like that. So I'm like, I'm going. He's like no, no, no. And I'm like, yes, I'm going. So I went. So I drove him. I drove him to the house. But the house wasn't just any house. It was a trap house because that's the only house he knew the guy to have because that's where the guy was selling drugs out of. So he didn't know like his personal residence. So he tells me to stay in the car and he's like very

Starting point is 00:34:18 adamant about it. Like, stay in the car. And I stay in the car for like 30 seconds. And then I start looking around. I'm like, holy fuck. I am in like, I'm in the hood. I'm in the real, real blade. The thick of the hood.

Starting point is 00:34:33 I mean, these, like, it was the hood like where they sell drugs out the crack of the window that has just the board on it. You don't even see a face. I don't know if there's like guns pointed out the windows. I'm looking for lasers and stuff. I'm freaking. New Jack City. Yes.

Starting point is 00:34:47 I'm freaking out. man. I am freaking no. You don't know what New Jack City is? Jesus. No. No. Actually, that was a good one. Vice City. Jesus. New Jack City. Anyway, okay. I'll send you the trailer.

Starting point is 00:35:04 Yeah. Wesley Snipe. Actually, that was a good one. It was a great movie. That was a good one. And it tells you a lot about what things that actually happened. The crack epidemic, how it expanded, blew up, how they did. Wait, what was the one with Denzel with the how the one blew up? remember um oh yeah yeah you're talking about american gangster did you see that one american gangster okay because that one has some i don't know about that anyway you don't that

Starting point is 00:35:26 was not true no i'm him oh okay okay i've seen some of that i think he's seen a clip yeah maybe he saw the commercial or like in a tic-tok someone referenced it like american ganges yeah exactly okay so i'm in the car for 30 seconds and i'm starting to trip out because i'm looking around and i'm just realizing that i'm in the car by myself when he was next to me with his his protection instead. I was going to say it's easy to be a gangster when you were living in the upper middle class condo. But when you drove down the hood, you realized. When I drove down the hood and he's not in the car anymore? Yeah. Oh yeah. Now I'm freaking out. So I'm like, oh, hell no. So what do I do? I think it's a better idea to get out of the car and be more visible and follow him. So I do that.

Starting point is 00:36:09 I get out the car. And I mean, it's, it's nighttime. So it's not like super late, but it is nighttime. So I'm trying to be sneaky. And I go and I go in the direction. that I saw him go in. I mean, there's only like a couple houses over there, but I saw where he went. So I go in that same direction. And when I go like around the house, the corner of the house, I see that there's a window open and I know he's gone in that window. Everything looks dark in there. So it means. It all makes sense. So I, thank God it made sense because I would have hate to gone into somebody's house. It wasn't his. So I go in and he's like, what the fuck are you doing in here? Like what it's going on? You're supposed to stay in the car or whatever. And I'm like, well, I'm here. And I'm here. Okay. And now that's just what it is. So he's like, Fuck it. So we're in there. We don't find a lot. We find some bags of weed. I don't know a lot about weed. But in just like, you know, for reference, it was maybe like a few sandwich bags of wheat full, like stuffed full. So not anything out of this world. But I thought it was a good thing.

Starting point is 00:37:08 I was like, yeah, you got all this weed. Like I thought it was a big score. So we take it. There was some money in there too. But it wasn't a lot. We leave. But now this has like opened the gates. Like now, like this was the catalyst to everything else that would come. This was, right. This is just fast tracking my everything that would come after. And basically, I, um, at that point was like, I was desensitized. I was okay now with going into strangers' homes, taking their shit, you know, but, but at this point I was still feeling like they deserved it. They're drug dealers. Like, we're not following the letter of the law because none of us are. I'm robbing you. You're selling drugs. These aren't patriots. Yeah. Right. Right. So.

Starting point is 00:37:48 what does it matter? So that kind of made it a little different. But so he started, so he started saying, you know, letting me know all the people that he needed to get back, money from, drugs from, whatever, people that had done him wrong. He never flat out admitted that he was just like robbing people just for the fuck of it. But he, he was. And it finally, so this went on for some months, maybe like six months or so. It got to...

Starting point is 00:38:18 Where he's burglarizing houses or robbing people. It's all drug dealers. Like, it's not the burglary like what I was doing. Right. He's robbing drug dealers for their drugs or their money. Okay. He's either going to their traps or he's robbing them face to face, like with the gun, like, give me your shit type of stuff.

Starting point is 00:38:33 So as this is happening, I'm always the driver. I'm always there. And there finally comes a day when he tells me that he's met a guy and it's a really good lick. And, you know, but in my mind, it's also weird because he's got business like even if all the other businesses are bullshit and they're just fronts or whatever which they were um the after hours club people are paying to get in there they're buying uh beer and wine he doesn't have a liquor license but they're

Starting point is 00:38:59 making money you figure they're making money like you don't have to do this but he was just addicted to this lifestyle so it finally came a point where he said he met a guy and it was a really good lick the guy was coming into the after hours um after hours club and he was like a little young guy who was had rich parents flashing a lot of money buying big amounts of drugs and selling them and he wanted to get this guy because it was just too easy not to get him and whatever I drove him there he ended up going in a couple minutes later he's running out with duffel bags I'm pulling out of the driveway like er because the guy's running out of the house and um the guy has a shotgun so the guy so I'm in the driveway like I'm pulled in the driveway

Starting point is 00:39:36 like this like my headlights are facing his house he has a truck that's backed into the driveway with the headlights facing out so him and I are like this in the driveway right so as I'm pulling out he's jumping in his car with the shotgun and he's going forward so we're nose to nose like pulling backwards I mean I'm a little bit further than him

Starting point is 00:39:52 but and I just keep going and this guy's shooting through the windshield and Gia's like baby duck and I'm like I'm fucking driving like I can't duck I'm driving backwards

Starting point is 00:40:02 at that right then the bullet because shotgun bullets they go like they spread yeah yeah they do a lot of damage what kind of bullet is this

Starting point is 00:40:09 it broke the whole windshield it went through the back it busted like the whole headrest the whole middle thing anyways it was very intense. It was very crazy. I ended up pulling into some random person's driveway, turning off the lights and it just looked like, I guess, a car that lived

Starting point is 00:40:21 there, and we lost him. I mean, I think Gia probably would have got out and beat him up with his own gun because the guy was not like the most huge... But he did have a shotgun. He did have a shotgun, but he was crazy too. Like, he would run up on a shot. I think his just pure

Starting point is 00:40:38 psychoticness of what he was willing to do was, it caused a lot of intimidation for people because they're like, you know, crazy people or sometimes more dangerous than the badass. Yeah. So that was the one event that was like, okay, now we're robbing people. So things are going in steps here.

Starting point is 00:40:55 Now we're robbing people just because they're good licks. One night after about six more months of doing all of this. Now drugs, robbing people, the club life, all this stuff, going fast nowhere. I end up getting a craving for like some candy one night. So I get in my car and I drive to a gas station, which is down to the street from where we live, where our home is. When you come out of our neighborhood, out of our subdivision, you can turn left or right and it's just a two-way street. But down, half a mile down, there's a little gas station. So I get in my car and I go.

Starting point is 00:41:31 As I get in my car, I get the things. I get the gummies. They were a lifesaver buried gummies. And I leave the gas station. And as I'm leaving, I really want to eat one. So I go to grab it, but it falls off the car, off the seat onto the floorboard. So I bend down to grab it And when I bend down to grab it

Starting point is 00:41:49 I come back up And I'm just like kind of drifting off Into the shoulder And it's like a little two-way road So I'm drifting off into the shoulder And I panic because there's like trees And a big ditch and I overcorrect And when I overcorrect

Starting point is 00:42:02 I spin out I fish tail I spin out And it's okay I'm so sorry I spin out and then I fly I like go off the ditch like kind of because the ditch is really, I go off and I kind of go over the ditch into some trees. I'm not like off the ground, but I'm just like lodged in between some trees.

Starting point is 00:42:20 I can't open the door. So I go out the sunroof and lo and behold, there was like a forest ranger who saw it and was going to work and pulled over and called the police for him. And I was like, thank you, you know, whatever, whatever. He was like, just wait for him. So they get there. You know, I'm at the same time. I'm calling Gia. They have like a tow, a truck that has tow capacity.

Starting point is 00:42:42 and like one of those things that pull it. And so I know they can hook it up and like get it out. So when that happened, so I'm thinking, okay, they can do that.

Starting point is 00:42:51 We don't need to tow truck. The car is probably a little fucked but they have like the mechanic shops so at least they can fix it. You know, got to have something there. They can fix it with. So the cops get there

Starting point is 00:43:00 and they run my information and then they tell me to turn around and they put me in cuffs. And they're like, you're under arrest. And I'm like, the fuck, I just wanted some gummy savers.

Starting point is 00:43:09 Why am I under arrest? And they're like, you have a warrant out for bird glory and I'm like, what? So I won't bore you with all the details of this, but in the beginning, before I really knew everything that was going on, I ended up pawning some things. I also, you know, there was several, yeah, there were several things that happened. They ended up raiding the house that we had and it was in my name.

Starting point is 00:43:35 There were stolen things there. Apparently the appliances that I kept seeing coming and going. they were from homes that were being vandalized or burned down insurance fraud and the appliances would be taken out then they would claim them, they would get the money for them and then they would just resell them or put them in new homes that they actually were going to rehab. So that, but the burglary that night in particular, the issue was I had a burglary and a false verification to a pawnbroker because I sold some little, like, I'm telling you about

Starting point is 00:44:05 literally 100, 200 bucks worth of shit jewelry, like little, little, dinky chains in like a ring that he said they found in a house that they had foreclosed on somebody left behind like what are we going to do with it just go get a couple hundred bucks like whatever we can throw it away we're not going to wear it so i was like yeah for sure so i just went and got a couple hundred bucks for and that was it so um i pawn that and so this warrant was and at that moment was for that i went to jail i got bonded out when i got bonded out i got bonded out um by my mom and i was just thinking what is your what are your parents thinking at this point.

Starting point is 00:44:39 And okay. So, so my mom is like, you know, now I have kept my distance big time, like big, big time. Every I told you in the world,

Starting point is 00:44:50 very upset, very disappointed because like, why? You know what I mean? Like, why from every angle? I mean, just,

Starting point is 00:44:57 God, why. And so basically, you know, my mom was like, I'm going to get you an attorney. I'm going to bond you out. But there's going to be some conditions.

Starting point is 00:45:08 you can't see the guy. You cannot go back to that house. Whatever's there. It's a loss. Like just it's gone. Chalk it up. It's gone. We'll get you new stuff.

Starting point is 00:45:17 It's done. Even the car. The car is even gone. Just let it all go. So I want to get some fuck out of jail. So I'm like, hell yeah, where do I sign? Like, let's do it. I won't see anybody.

Starting point is 00:45:27 I won't whatever. Why didn't you call Gia? I did call him. I did. But there was no answer. I couldn't find him. I couldn't nothing. I didn't.

Starting point is 00:45:37 You guys are living together, though. I couldn't find him that. I could, I'm going to tell you where he was, but I couldn't find him. So, um, what happened was my mom picked me up. And I'm very sad at this point because I'm like, damn, you know, I thought he flaked on me. Like, I'm feeling like, damn, you just left me to rot in this shit, you know. But also, like, it just wasn't really his character, um, that he would just leave me like that. Like, at least he would send somebody to bond me out.

Starting point is 00:46:06 This was just very weird. So what happened was part of the conditions, I couldn't have contact with him and I was so scared to go back to jail. I did not call him after I was in jail. I called him from jail, but he didn't answer. I didn't call him after I got out when I went to my mom's. I ended up going to a rehab facility. They wanted me to detox and go to a rehab as part of the conditions that my mom had.

Starting point is 00:46:28 And the bondsman said that I had to do it too. And then my lawyer said it would look good for the judge. So first time being in trouble ever. So go to rehab. Let's make this look the best we can. So I did go to rehab. while I was in rehab, I get a visit. My third week there, it was a month rehab.

Starting point is 00:46:43 My third week there, I get a visit. And I don't know who it is, and it's very weird, because visitation's always on Sunday. And it's from like, whatever time I don't remember, to 3 o'clock. And I know when my mom's coming. And she wasn't coming that day. So I was like, this is strange. So I end up going out to like the lobby area

Starting point is 00:47:01 because they called and said I had to visit over the speaker. And when I get to lobby area, I see a big white S-500 Mercedes in the parking lot. And his brother, Armand, always has the white Mercedes, and he always has the black one. So I'm like, no. So as I'm walking through the lobby, I see the door open to the Mercedes and I see Armand getting out. And so I hurry up and walk out there because I'm scared. I don't want to go back to jail, man.

Starting point is 00:47:24 But I, you know, I'm so. Yeah. I'm curious. And we have enough closure. Like, I went to go get gummies and now I haven't seen you for almost a month. And we were like in it, thick, deep, you know? So like, so I go out there. And he's like, hey, you know, he is in the car.

Starting point is 00:47:42 I haven't made it to the car yet. He's like, he is in the car and there's something going on and you need to know about it and whatever he's fleeing the country. So I go, I look, I try to act like, you know, I don't, not seeing him because I feel like there's bondsmen watching me from the bushes and shit. I don't know how this works. I've never been in trouble. So I'm like, oh my God, he's like, baby, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:48:03 But right after I got arrested, he got arrested too. And when he got arrested, he got arrested for all the things. shit in the house and all the things and then he was on bond for um he had bonded out i don't know a lot about that federal thing right but so like i don't know when we were talking earlier if he was just detained he was out on bond but i don't know what they had because they didn't find anything in the car so i don't know how that works it felt like with the with that federal thing like with the state you have to have evidence like it's say like here this what it is it felt like with that federal thing they could just say like hey we think you did it so that's it because that's how it felt

Starting point is 00:48:35 like the way he was describing it i know he probably wasn't being totally truthful but That's what it felt like. So the federal thing, plus that arrest with the house and everything, like, it was just all coming down on him. And he knew he was about to get like some serious, serious time for a lot of stuff and everything was about to explode. And he was fleeing the country. They did arrest him. He did end up bonding out with the state thing. But he wanted to get to leave before the federal thing.

Starting point is 00:49:00 Whatever the mess was, he was locked up for a little bit of time. Then he was, like, paranoid. And now he's saying, I'm fleeing the country. Please come with me. And I was like. like, oh man, because, I mean, it sounded exciting for a second. Like, I love you and, like, I know you can take care of me even if you're killing people so we can eat.

Starting point is 00:49:18 But okay, like, yeah, but I don't want to be on the run for the rest of my life. And I felt so bad for my mom and I'm going to be in a country where I don't speak the language. And I'm totally dependent on you. And like, he said he was going back to Russia. He said he was going back to Russia. So I was like, fuck, man. So you have a passport? I do have a passport.

Starting point is 00:49:34 Yeah, I've had a passport since, I mean, I used to go back to Spain. My mom's from Barcelona, Spain. I used to go to Spain every summer, and my dad's, so, yeah, so I had my passport, and it was up to date and everything. So I could have gone with him right that second, and he wanted me to. Like, he wanted me to go inside and get whatever I wanted to get, come back to that Mercedes, get in the car, and let's get out of here. And he had a way, he had fled the country already before and come back.

Starting point is 00:49:54 Like, he knew how to get in and out. So it's not like we were going to Delta and saying, can we get two tickets to Russia, please? Like, you know, like he had his own little ways or whatever. So, yeah, so I was like, no, and it was very, very hard. and I was very sad and I kind of knew at that moment like if I said no and he got in the car and drive away I probably never see him again and that was the end of that love story and like whatever but probably for the best so I said no and I waved and I cried and as the car was pulling off I was

Starting point is 00:50:21 crying oh man it was like something out of a movie I was like and I walked away and I was like and then I went and cried in my pillow it was like so I was so ridiculous so anyways I would see the fucker again so whatever but um basically I, that was it. That chapter closed for a long time. And I got out of, I become addicted again. And when I become full-blown addicted, I need money because I can't just go say, hey, mom, I dropped out of college and dated a Russian mobster and went to jail. Can I please get like $5,000 so I can support this pill habit that's expensive for the next couple weeks? Like, no. And I was working, but it wasn't like, I was a receptionist like a law firm or something. I was in my

Starting point is 00:51:05 early like mid-20s at this point. I was not doing shit with my life. Um, but I was working, but I just just wasn't enough money. And I was starting over. The house I had with him was gone. The car was gone. Everything was gone. And I was starting over and I'm living with my mom. It wasn't very exciting. So, um, so I was like, well, what do I know how to do to get fast money is to break into people's homes. So this is what sounded like a great idea to me. It sounded like a good plan. But the only problem was, I'm not going to go break into a dream. drug dealer's home and his trap house because I'm going to get literally like I can't even pull into that neighborhood without somebody being like what the fuck and then what are you going to get drugs

Starting point is 00:51:46 and I'm going to resell right right so it's like the whole thing so now I'm like okay I need a plan to do the same kind of thing where I can get money quickly but it has to be efficient and effective for my lifestyle because I have to you know I have to be able to fit in wherever I'm robbing I have to be able to, it has to be lucrative enough. It has to be something that I can offload. And if I, if it's not cash, like, what am I going to do? So I figured, okay, well, I'll break into rich people's homes. My parents are rich. My parents' friends are rich. My friends' parents are rich. I know how rich people live. They always have, like, a little bank envelope somewhere in their house because an emergency is going to happen in Florida. The bank's going to close. There's going to be a hurricane.

Starting point is 00:52:23 They always have at least a couple, like five, you know, grand in an envelope in their closet somewhere or in their drawer. They always have nice jewelry. Rich husbands, you know, gift their rich wives. well, gift their wives or whomever, nice things, you know, the bigger the price tax, so whatever. So I knew you'd have nice jewelry. I knew these rich people would have a little stack of money somewhere. And maybe they'd have more valuable things. And I know that I'm not going to look out of place in a neighborhood like that because I can make myself fit in.

Starting point is 00:52:50 So I'm just going to make provisions to, you know, fit into the neighborhood, have the right vehicle, have the right setup, have the right story, have the right, you know, clothing, everything, all that. And basically what I thought was, okay, I don't have the muscle. So I'm by myself. Let me do this in a way that's going to be smart and reasonable for me. And I had never burglarized a home by myself. So I didn't really know what I was going, what I was getting into. I didn't know the obstacles I was going to run into. But I knew that I would figure it out along the way. And that's exactly what happened. So only thing I knew from movies, literally this had no benefit to it, was that you leave shoe prints and you leave DNA. behind and that's how they get you.

Starting point is 00:53:33 That's what I saw on the TV shows. So I wasn't going to leave DNA behind and I wasn't going to leave my shoe print, which is ridiculous because no cops are sending DNA people and shoot a footprint people to go look for a burglar, okay, unless you're robbing like the president or like unless someone's murdered. So I wore shoes that were always a size too small or a size too big and I always tied my hair back really tight and I had gloves. I figured if I had all that, I was at least good.

Starting point is 00:53:58 It was like the starter kit. I ended up eventually getting like a little tool set that had like a cutter. It didn't cut glass. But people would be surprised that in Florida, a lot of windows, they're not like reinforced. They're not strong. They're like single pane windows. Right. And they break.

Starting point is 00:54:16 I mean, they're just not strong windows. And it's like a super modern home. So I realized that with this little tool thing that I had that had, I went in and I told the guy, hey, if my home's on fire at the supply store, if my home's on fire and I need to get out of window and I can't break it. Do you have something that can break it? And he showed me this little thing and it had these three little tools. And like the first one, like you whip them out like this. And the first one was like something that made like an outline like a scratching glass. Yeah. The second one was like a little hammer thing. And the third one was like a little suction cup.

Starting point is 00:54:47 So I just figured I'd use all of them whenever I could, however I could. And I started learning and I started practicing and I realized some of them when you hit them, they shatter. And then some of them, they don't. Some of them you can suck the whole thing out. my whole point was not to separate the magnets on the alarms so i was like okay don't separate the magnets on the alarms just go through the take the glass out and walk in but don't separate the magnets okay check okay but now we have motion detectors how do we make sure that the motion detectors aren't going to detect me well they need to have an animal they have an animal the animal's walking around um they don't have motion detectors rich rich um rich people aren't they don't have pit bulls and in a crate somewhere.

Starting point is 00:55:29 They have a golden doodle or a Frenchier or a lab walking around and he's wagging his tail even if you're burglarizing their home. So I just needed there to be some kind of animal

Starting point is 00:55:38 and then I knew that the motion detectors would be off. I knew that because I grew up with golden retrievers and my mom would always make it a point to turn off. A point to torn.

Starting point is 00:55:50 My mom would always make it a point to turn the sensors off in those zones so Indy could walk around. Right. So, okay, animal, check. How am I going to know if there's an animal? Okay, look for things.

Starting point is 00:56:02 Toys outside. Little water bowl. Look through a window. Rich people, you will not believe how so many rich people have the little sign right on the front door, right by the doorbell, right by the freaking handle the front door. It says, in case of an emergency or in case of fire, rescue my dog or cat. Willie. Rescue Willie.

Starting point is 00:56:21 Okay. So now I don't even have to look because you just told me Willie's in your house walking around. Right. So check. Okay. Now. We put a lot more thought into this than most burglars that I, well, you know. Like smash and grab, right? Right. Right. But I wanted to, I want, I, I didn't want to go to jail. You know, I didn't want to go to jail. So I wanted to make sure that I had provisions in place in case I ran into one of these things. So, so, okay. So then I'm like, okay, I'm going to ring the doorbell and I'm going to, hopefully nobody answers.

Starting point is 00:56:54 But if somebody answers, what am I going to say? Okay, what am I going to say? Huh. I go to my mom's office and I work a lot in her doctor's office. I used to file and stuff and I had scrubs. So I had scrubs on a lot throughout the week. Scrubs. Huh.

Starting point is 00:57:09 Okay. I'm going to say that I'm there to pick up the dogs for the doggie day out. So, you know, it'll go with the scrubs. So I'm like, I'm just like walking you through like I'm thinking all this. So I'm like, hey, I'm here to pick up your doggy. Wrong house. You're at the wrong house. That's it.

Starting point is 00:57:22 So, you know, they'd answer. And I'd be like, hey, I'm here to pick up, you know, Willie and Rufus. And for their doggy day out, I'm the transportation. And they'd be like, you have the wrong house. And I'd be like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. Let me go call my boss in the car and check. And then I'd wave. And, you know, perception is crazy.

Starting point is 00:57:36 Because when you're in someone's face and you're like, hey, I'm here. This is me. Look at me. I'm friendly. I'm nice. I'm outgoing. And all this stuff, they don't, you doing something bad is the last thing on their mind. Right.

Starting point is 00:57:48 Because everyone thinks a criminal is going to be hiding and sneaking and, you know, doing all this creepy, shady shit. And that's just that's, so I tried to do the opposite. And so if they didn't answer the door, now what am I going to do? I need to find one of those windows. But I would try to find homes that have like privacy fences or a lot of shrubbery and things like that, something that could hide me. So if I found all that, I would go to the backyard and I would find a window. I would tap them a lot at first to see.

Starting point is 00:58:14 Like some windows you could feel me and were like solid, big windows. And some windows were just, you could tell they were flimsy. Like you'd knock on them and they, you know, would wiggle and stuff. It was really weird. Like shake. Yeah. So I kind of try to feel which window and just, you know, remember, hey, like, do not separate the magnets. So when I would find the window, I would knock some more.

Starting point is 00:58:33 At this point, I'm still going around and I'm knocking on all these windows, like in the backyard, sliding glass door and everything, because I want to make sure, like, okay, maybe you were in the shower. Maybe you had headphones on. Maybe you just didn't hear me ringing the front doorbell. So I want to, like, knock some more. But now I have to have a different story. Because if I'm in your backyard knocking for Willie and Rufus, That's just creep as hell.

Starting point is 00:58:55 This employee is way too determined to get these dogs, and it's weird. So I can't be in your backyard looking for the dogs. Like, that's crazy. So at this point, I would say to them, hey, my friend, my coworker, whomever, Samantha, she asked me to come check on her mom, Miss Martha, because Ms. Martha's not answering the phone, and she's really worried about her. And she didn't have a break, but I did.

Starting point is 00:59:15 So I'm just here to check on Miss Martha. That's why I'm knocking like a crazy person, like, Miss Martha, Miss Martha, you know? Right. And I'm saying this as I'm in the backyard, I'm like, Miss Martha. And so, and I did run into people sometimes, and they would be like, oh, you have the wrong house. I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry.

Starting point is 00:59:31 Ms. Martha, we got to find Ms. Martha. You know what I mean? Like, got to find Ms. Martha. So, you know, and nobody's going to be upset or offended if you came looking for a dog and you were at the wrong house or you came to do a welfare check on an elderly person and you had the wrong house. It's not going to offend people and it's not going to raise suspicion. So, you know, I was good to go. So, but if all that goes well, then I will go ahead and I will, you know,

Starting point is 00:59:53 you know, get in. I'll break glass or suck glass out or whatever. Right. I was so immature. Okay. So anyways, yeah, so I'll go in and I will always try to target the master bedroom or an office. The master bedroom, of course, you know, jewelry and things in there, but usually in the closet is where I know that there's like the money or a little safe or things like that. it's really surprising how much of the same kind of things rich people do.

Starting point is 01:00:27 Like, I don't know. It's just like, I don't know if they see their friend do it and they do it or whatever, but it's like they all have these little safes. They hardly ever lock it. They, you know, just the same types of behavior. So I kind of knew what to look for and what to do. I could get it in and out pretty easily. I had my car, which was my personal car, which was a Mercedes because I, you know,

Starting point is 01:00:46 was paying homage to my Mercedes guy. but I had my Mercedes but I also had I bought from an auction I had a friend who was a car dealer and he had a dealer's license so he would go to the auctions and I got an Impala it was just a silver Chevy Impala no bells and whistles very standard just police car and I use that to do my burglaries I use that do my burglaries because like rich people you know they see an impala they're not gonna like well I don't know it's a hunt it's a day woo like they don't know it's a Saturn that whatever it's silver right um I also had some stolen like license plates that I had stolen.

Starting point is 01:01:20 I was just going to ask that. Was it registered to you? Yeah. So the Impala was registered to me. It was mine. But I had stolen license plates that I had stolen several, like throughout a period of, you know, two weeks or so. I'm just taken from here or there.

Starting point is 01:01:31 And I would put that over my life. I just put it right on top of my license plate literally with tape, with big duct tape. Just put two big things behind and slap it on and just cruise on out, try to make sure I drive safe. I surprisingly never got pulled over, not once. And this, I did this for about a couple years. but anyway so I never got pulled over at the fake license plates or the stolen license plates or anything and what ended up happening was I got sentenced so the charge for the burglary and the pawn broker

Starting point is 01:02:00 thing that I had originally that got me you know him and I separated um I still had to face you know the charge charge so I ended up getting probation and by the time I got probation because they had dragged out so long by the time I got probation I had already relapsed and I was already you know in the fields of burglarizing. So the day that I went to probation, when you sign probation papers, and I don't know, like you're on probation or not,

Starting point is 01:02:28 maybe, I don't know. But anyways, either way. Federal supervised release is what we called. Yeah, probation. No, I don't know. It's probably different because you're supervised by the United States of America and I'm supervised by Florida.

Starting point is 01:02:37 God, that's heavy. Like when it's like the United States of America versus you versus little Florida. So Florida is supervising me, not the whole country. So I don't know, it's probably different. But like,

Starting point is 01:02:47 in Florida you go sign when you get on probation like that morning or the day whatever you have 24 hours to go and like meet your probation officer sign your paperwork and part of signing your paperwork is acknowledging the rules and the rules very clearly state and they will let you know that you do not have the right to consent or deny to a search of you of your person or your property like a cop can knock on your door and say hey I like ran your license plate in your driveway you're on probation I want to come in to search and like they can there's just They can do it at any point.

Starting point is 01:03:19 Same thing. For no. Okay. Exactly. Okay. So that, I was like freaked out about that. I was like, holy hell. That's, but whatever.

Starting point is 01:03:28 Okay. So I went and signed my paperwork that morning. I read everything. I was like, Jesus. When I was leaving probation with my paperwork, I was like, damn, I need some money because I need to get some, you know, some pills and I don't have any money. And so I was like, all right, I'm going to have to hit a house. But the weird, like, this is where I did.

Starting point is 01:03:47 didn't prepare. A lot of times, especially in movies and things like that, you see them like doing surveillance, looking for patterns, looking for schedules, watching who lives there and all that. So I didn't do any of that. I found it to be like a waste of time just because I, you know, you could be sick that day and stay home. I could watch you every day and you go to work from seven to, you know, whatever time. And then that day you're sick and you're home. And now I have like a whole thing. You know, everything could change because one factor shifts. And then all the work that you've done with surveilling the house, it's like totally, you know, it's out the window. So I just knock on the door.

Starting point is 01:04:19 Yeah, easier just knock on the door. Right, for your doodles. Like have provisions in place to make your presence excusable versus trying to find the right way in time to get this. No, I'm not doing all that. So I, most of the homes, and I said all that to say this, most of the homes I burglarize, it was a crime of opportunity. So that day that I was leaving probation, I was driving and I knew that I was going to do this.

Starting point is 01:04:43 And I was driving by. and I always went to very nice upscale neighborhoods. You know, now prices of the homes are very different. But back then, half a million dollars to, you know, $1.5, $2 million were very nice homes, wealthy people. Now you can't get a home for half. You can't get a home for under $400 grand. So whatever.

Starting point is 01:05:01 But I was going to those type of neighborhoods. And so I was driving past this neighborhood. And I saw that there was like the way the neighborhood was set up was very, very good for me. There was privacy fences. And then there was also homes that backed up to. like a street that was a main street, but it wasn't a huge main road. So I was like, okay, this is good. So I pulled in there. I looked around and I was like, yes, this is good. This is the house. But instead of like pulling right up to their driveway, I actually pulled onto the main road and like on the

Starting point is 01:05:28 little emergency bike lane or whatever. And I jumped the guy's fence and then I went like via that route. So I went kind of through the backyard and kind of scoped everything out. But then I went and knocked on the door and nobody was home and I did my whole shindig and nobody answered. I broke in. I went through the window. When I got in, I, you know, luckily was in the master bedroom and I started going through the drawers and as I started going through drawers I started putting things in my purse and I ended up running across a gun and I was like oh shit let me you know put that to the side over there because this could turn into a really serious charge if I pick this gun up or take it out or anything right um the difference between a

Starting point is 01:06:02 burglary and an armed burglary is a difference between a first degree felony and a second degree felony and difference between life in like 10 years so anyways that's even if I take the gun out of the house with me and it's not mine so I don't have to necessarily bring it so I didn't want to touch it. I put it in the corner. But I noticed that as I was like putting things in my purse, it was, there was a lot going on in my purse. It was very, there was something really just going on with it. And I wanted that out of the way.

Starting point is 01:06:26 So I looked down and it was my paperwork, my probation paperwork. So I took it out of my purse and I put it on the desk or on the dresser. And I was like, okay, I'll get you in a minute when I'm done. So I keep going. I keep getting things and I'm like, you know, putting things in my purse. And all of a sudden I hear a man's voice say, hey, what are you doing? And I turn around and there's a man in the doorway. And I'm like, oh my God.

Starting point is 01:06:48 And I used to do things to try to ensure that I would not run into anybody. Like I would always go lock the garage door that led to the garage because most of you pull into their garage and then go into their house. They don't lock that door. So I thought like I would lock that. I would hear jiggling. I would hear beep. Or like even if the alarms on it.

Starting point is 01:07:05 I would hear like the beep of the door something. Right. I would hear something. And I didn't hear anything. And so I was very shocked. And when he said that, and I turned around and looked, he was big as hell. I mean, he was like the whole door frame. So I was like, oh, shit.

Starting point is 01:07:19 And I promise you, I don't know where this came from. But I was like, I'm a juvenile. I'm a juvenile. Don't touch me. I'm a juvenile. I put my hands up because I wanted to startle him and make him. And I was hoping like he was smart enough to catch it. Like, hey, there's a juvenile in my house.

Starting point is 01:07:32 Her against me is not going to look good. So, you know, let me just stop. Because if he tackled me, it was over. So I was like, I'm a juvenile. I'm a juvenile. Don't touch me. And I kept backing up and backing up until I got to the door. and thank God he didn't move.

Starting point is 01:07:44 He looked totally shocked, totally freaked out and totally confused. And I was like, good. So I backed all the way up to the wall. Once I hit the wall, I turned around and I bolted out the window. When I bolted out the window, I ran, I jumped the fence. I get into my car and I was like really athletic. I just jump the fences, parkour. And then I get in the car.

Starting point is 01:08:02 When I get in the car, I start to drive off and I look over my purse and I'm like, fuck the probation papers with my name and my address and my birthday and like everything else. So here we are. Come get me. Are on this fucking guy's dresser. So at this point, I was like, okay, I have to make a decision. There's like a 50-50 shot. And I always tell this part of the story with this because I remember having this

Starting point is 01:08:26 conversation with myself so well. Like I had this conversation with myself and it was in detail. Like there was two people. I was like, okay, Jen, you can go back and there's a 50-50 shot of getting caught. He can walk in on you and tackle you to the ground. But there's also a 50-50 chance you could get. get out, scot-free and be done. So, you know, if you don't, if you don't, if you don't, right. So I was like, I'm going to take the 50-50. A hundred percent is not looking good.

Starting point is 01:08:53 I'm taking the 50-50. So I, believe it or not, I went back. I did actually get in. I jumped in. I heard the guy talking outside very loud. He had a very deep voice. I heard him. So I knew he was outside. I got in the window. I got my papers and I got back out. But unfortunately, as I was getting, you know, jumping the fence, for some reason, I did something different. Like, I'm a creature of habit. So when I came back to his house, I didn't park directly behind his home. I parked in the next door neighbor's home, just like maybe 10 feet up. And when I, so I jumped the neighbor's fence trying to kind of hear and gauge what was going on. And that's when I heard him outside and I jumped his fence and went back in through the broken window. But when I went back out of his house,

Starting point is 01:09:31 I ended up jumping the neighbor's fence and then having to jump another fence to get to my car. Same way I came in, I was going out. So instead of just going out in his backyard and jumping dude's fence and running a little further down to my car, I just jumped two fences, and it was just so bizarre, but I did it. And in the midst of doing that, as I think I'm about to get away and hurtle my last fence, I get tackled. And I, you know, I don't know, because obviously I never talked to them again, I never saw them again. I don't know how the fuck the big guy told the other guy that, hey, this all happened and it's a girl, or what transpired that made this guy tackle me. But he tackled me to the ground, and then he hit on me, and then he held my arms till the

Starting point is 01:10:10 police came. And then he called his neighbor so he could hold my other arm. I wasn't talking. I wasn't saying anything. I was very pissed off. And so yeah, so I did get arrested that day, the same day I signed probation for the other charges. Now I was on probation. I mean, now I was in jail and violated that probation, which is terrible. And so now I sat in the county jail for a good while. It was like, I don't know, 13 months, something like that, 14 months. And I ended up getting sentenced to a longer rehab. So I had a good attorney. You still didn't get jail time? No. So I ended up getting sentenced to two years of community control without the monitor. You need jail time. You're a minute. I did. I did. I did. I did. I'm not going to lie. I did. So I ended up getting sentenced to the Phoenix House, which is a rehab in Ocala,

Starting point is 01:10:57 Florida. And that is where I would have my last and final arrest that would send me off off to prison. I would go from there. Basically, I ended up going to that rehab. I ended up staying in that rehab. It's 18 to 24 month rehab. I ended up staying there for roughly a little under a year, like 10, 11 months. I graduated that program, and I ended up staying in Ocala. When I stayed in that city, it was just for various reasons. I didn't have a boyfriend at the time. I didn't have any kids. I didn't have any reason to come back to Jacksonville right away. And you have to do an aftercare program, so I just said I would do it there anyways. So that's what I did. And in the midst of graduating that program and going to an apartment that I had now, you know, got in that town,

Starting point is 01:11:43 I met my son's father. I met a guy. And when I met this guy, he's a very nice guy, good family, never been in trouble, never been arrested. He just thought I was super exciting, a lot of fun. I think I was to him kind of like what the Russian was to me because I was like exciting and something so different than he had ever dated. His parents are like mega, very, very, very well off very they have a huge business metal business and um just a good guy you know went to college just all around good clean cut guy i met him and things were all right for a little while he didn't know anything about my life he didn't know how i ended up in that city i told him i was there for a change of scenery change of pace wanted to slow it down a bit come here and go to school because i had

Starting point is 01:12:24 enrolled in the community college just to do something while i was there but i relapsed again um with pills with the pills i never went back to the hair but i did relapse with the pills again so now this is the second relapse and now this is second relapse and I ended up um now I've like kind of you know fine-tuned the burglaries I know what I'm doing now so now I'm in a whole new town a whole new stomping ground with new homes more rich people and I fine-tuned all the things that didn't work the first go-round like leaving my probation papers on someone's desk you know so now I've fine-tuned everything regarding my career criminal lifestyle and I know what I'm doing. So I'm going to go back to what I do best, which is, okay, I've relapsed again.

Starting point is 01:13:15 And they're not lying. Like when people say when you relapse, you kind of pick up right where you left off, like, it's so true. And so I, you know, I started doing Roxy's again and basically I needed a lot of money because now they were expensive. They were a lot more expensive, the pill mill. age was starting and um they're trying to shut down basically yeah the prices yeah they were going from like eight to ten dollars to like 20 30 yeah dollar milligram that's exactly what was going so so you know these they're like 30 dollars for one and i need like four to be okay and i would take

Starting point is 01:13:51 four like five times a day i mean it was i was taking like 30 a day on regular days if i could it was it was crazy so i needed a lot of money and um i but i had a whole new area now that was just untouched. So I started going at it. An untapped market. And the good thing about this market was that these homes, they call Ocala Horse Country, and there's just like a lot of big open space plantation style homes and things like that. And so you don't have neighbors. So like, I don't care if you have privacy fence or shrubbery or whatever. Like I, Joe down the street is two miles away. He's not seeing anything. I can break it through your front window, which I had. And nobody even notices like so anyhow I start burglarizing I start doing it now you know the guy I'm dating he has no

Starting point is 01:14:37 idea anything that's going on he doesn't know why sometimes I'm a little sleepy like this he doesn't know why I wake with five in the morning and then have these odd hours because I would work I would go and I would burglarize from about 730ish or so I would start but I would wake up at like 536 something like that I would kind of get ready get my gear together get myself mentally prepared for my speeches all of that and then I would go out and I would always burglarize between like 7.30, 8 o'clock. Then I would stop like around 1130 and then I would go back out around 1, 1.30 and then I would stop again like around 3.30. So I was like, these are the hours that people are, you know, maybe you come home for lunch, maybe you don't. But these are the hours that I'm pretty

Starting point is 01:15:14 sure nobody's going to be home. I would always try to make sure that, you know, as best as I could, if it was like raining or drizzling, I would make sure, hey, this is a good day. I need to hit a lot of homes because this, people are outside. They're not outside jogging. They're not walking their babies. They're not, you know, whatever. They're not cutting the grass. They're not going to come back in from jogging. You're in their bedroom. Right. Right. Right. How many else is a day are you doing? You're like a lot of homes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One every few days. No, no, no. Gosh. That wouldn't have been near enough.

Starting point is 01:15:43 So on a, on a rainy, drizzly day, it would be like maybe seven to nine. On a really nice day where maybe people are outside, three to five. So, but no less than three. Like if I don't hit three, then I, then I'm going to be sick. then yeah there's not and then I also I have a lifestyle like I like nice things so I need to also not only support this habit but my lifestyle because I'm paying for you know my my rent I'm paying for my two cars the one that's burglarizing the one not I'm like I have all these things and you know and I like cosmetics and purses and jewelry so I you know I need I need so anyways I'm at least burglarizing three homes a day but most of the time it was we're averaging like five. I would try to really capitalize on rainy days. And so... And the alarms aren't going off?

Starting point is 01:16:36 There was like maybe. I mean, you, okay, so just to give you some numbers, you know, for reference here, my paperwork,

Starting point is 01:16:45 like if you go through my court papers and everything like that, it was over 200 homes. And that, I mean, it is a lot, but it's not because it was over a couple years. But it was definitely,

Starting point is 01:16:57 and when I say over, like it was like well they stopped counting at certain points um and then they stopped counting around so my lawyer had them stopped counting at two million at one million you can start garnishing wages for life in florida um but he had him stopped counting at two million and just said we'll pay back this much but added up it was over seven million so um i didn't you know i've never like sat down and done all the math but it was definitely you know it was excessive it was excessive and i and i wish i had something to show for it. Yeah, it was, it was, yeah. I didn't feel like I was prolific at the moment. You know, I thought I was just surviving. But, you know, in hindsight, like I didn't have the shit.

Starting point is 01:17:40 Yeah. Everybody's doing it. Right. Yeah. I felt like, yeah, this is just a very normal thing. Like, people burglarize all the time. They steal purses, don't they? They run up to grandmas and take their purse. But they're not stealing millions of dollars. So, so how are you, one more, hold on, one more question. Yeah. How are you getting rid of the stuff? You know not the pawned anymore. Right, right, right. Assuming you're in that lesson. Right.

Starting point is 01:18:00 I definitely do not set foot in a pawn shop. I still even like to this day because records are very easy to get. You can go on FDOC.com. FDOC.com because people, I guess, lie about their stories and it's very bizarre because it's like you can literally go look it up. So anyways, when you look up all the charges, there's still that one little pesky false verification to a pawn broker from 2007. And it's from that. So yeah, so I never did that again. what I ended up doing was like, okay, I'm going to get the gold and I'm going to get the cash,

Starting point is 01:18:29 but I have to get rid of the gold somehow. And how am I going to do that? So I thought, well, I could sell the gold outright. But then the way I got caught in the pawn shop was because the person identified the piece of jewelry. And they said it was identifiable. And I guess so the police explained that like if there's, you know, it's like a wedding band or something, whatever. But if it's like has, you know, it's inscribed and says Joe and Martha, 20, 04, then, you know, that's identifiable.

Starting point is 01:18:57 Yeah. And so if the homeowner can identify it or there's pictures that they have it on and then they go to pawn shops looking for it or whatever. Like there's a lot of ways they can find it if it can be identified. Um, so I knew that a lot of these nice, big, heavy pieces would be identifiable, obviously. So how am I going to get rid of it? I can't even sell it outright, like under the table to somebody because it's still identifiable. So I was like, maybe I can melt it down. How the fuck do you email gold downs? Like, there's no. There's no. There's not, I can't even not this is not you know YouTube time where you can learn how to do you know heart surgery on youtube like this is so I did not really know what to do so I remembered a lot of the things I did

Starting point is 01:19:37 was like me really just thinking about things that I had seen just referencing like things I had seen heard or thought in my life like I remember seeing signs we buy gold we buy scrap metal antique dealer we buy gold like stuff like that so I was like let me go check these people out see what they're about. We buy gold. Let me go see if they'll buy this gold. Right. So I ended up finding out that you can melt gold down and there's a refinery, a machine

Starting point is 01:20:02 that separates the gold from the impurities. And if you basically have that machine or you can find that machine, then you can melt the gold down into any kind of size bar or brick with a certain template or, you know, if the person has it. So I ended up finding a guy and he had a shop and he had a refinery. His store was like a surplus store. It was like a store like a mom and pop home depot. They sold toilet flushers and screens and like little bullshit like that.

Starting point is 01:20:30 And I went in there because he had a big sign outside that says we buy gold. We buy scrap gold because there's a difference between like precious metal and regular metal. So I found out all these things as I was going along. And basically he said he had a refinery and he could melt it down. I came in there and was like, hey, I came into my grandma's estate. She passed. She has a lot of gold. It's like scrap stuff.

Starting point is 01:20:51 Some stuff's broken. I don't want it all. Can I just like melt it and get myself a little brick or something? And he said, oh, I understand. Yeah. I got you. Right. Right. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:21:00 He's like, yeah. Yeah. And I was really trying to. That happens all the time. Right. So when he told me that happens all the time and I can do it, I was like, okay, well, do you have like a fee, like a rental fee or something for your machine? And so now we're understanding each other.

Starting point is 01:21:13 And he's like, yeah, sure, it depends on how much you melt, whatever. So anyways, he had a five ounce gold template. So I would make these five ounce gold bars. I always called them bricks. but there are bars. It's like the size of a business card literally. And like a little like, you know, thicker. A little ingot.

Starting point is 01:21:28 Yeah. Yeah. So it's five ounces. Five ounces of pure gold. And basically I was, so I was melting that down. And I was trying to at least leave with three, maybe four, five, six, seven bars every day. But at least three bars every time I would go. And I would go to his shop a couple times a week.

Starting point is 01:21:46 I mean, maybe like four or five times a week. Grandma loved her. Bling, bling. Yeah. Yeah. And then so I would take those bars and I would sell them to gold collectors, gold dealers that I would find online, antique collectors, people that own coin shops, things like that. I would find them online. This was a big problem because I started mailing the stuff out. And then when it was going to different states, when I ended up getting caught, they were like, this is crossing state lines. This could be like federal stuff, whatever. It didn't. But anyways, thank God. So basically I was selling it to them and I was selling the five ounces of gold and I you know sometimes I would sell several to one person sometimes I would sell one to one person and I just kept doing this and doing this and just like you know so because I know a lot of people you throw numbers out there you say

Starting point is 01:22:34 things but just to I like to give them reference points so they know so like back then an ounce of gold was roughly like $1,200 for an ounce and that's like without the stones and you know gold that was good because here 14 karat gold is really like 10 and 10 is really like eight like there's a lot impurities. If you go to like India or overseas somewhere, like the Middle East and buy gold, it's like really what they say it is. But here it's not. So if I would have like a Ziploc bag, like a Ziploc bag full of gold, like entire like packed with gold, minimal stones, mostly 14 karets, some 10, that would be roughly like 20 grand, 20 to 22 grand somewhere in there. Okay. Melted down. So I tried to at least get a few of those bags in a week. I could not. I didn't

Starting point is 01:23:21 always have a bag to fill up. But that's why I tried to burglary so many homes was because I wanted to make sure I would get those little bags and then I could take them and every time I'd get a bag, I would go and, you know. So this is what I was doing. This was the whole gimmick. This was paying for my lifestyle. This was paying for my drug addiction. This was paying for everything. And I was living well too. I mean, I was doing whatever I wanted. So it kept going and going. I, you know, one time I ran into a safe, I made it a point not to tote out big objects, but one time I ran into a safe and I just knew there was like millions of dollars in there at least a million. And I was like, I'm getting this safe out.

Starting point is 01:23:54 But the safe was heavy as hell. So I drugged that bitch out on a sheet through the house on these people's tile and I drug it out on a sheet. But then I had a problem because, you know, I can't separate the magnets. So I got to the front door and now I got to open the door and I got to separate the magnets. So I was like, okay, this alarm is about to go beep for like 30 to 45 seconds. And then it's going to woo, woo, woo, so if I can get this beast to my car in this amount of time, then I'm good, but it's not likely.

Starting point is 01:24:19 So, you know, okay, what am I going to do? Okay, so finally, so I go, I go back out the window. I go back to my car. I get in my car. I back that thing. I back that bitch up all the way to the front door. Like, this is a nice home. Let's just say like a million dollar.

Starting point is 01:24:33 I don't remember. I don't, like, it's like a million dollar home, we'll just say, right? I have my car literally backed up all the way to their front door over their grass and their sidewalk looking suspicious as hell with the trunk open and both back doors open. So just like visualize this ridiculousness that's happening. And as I'm doing this, I'm pulling the safe out. The safe is not gliding anymore because now we're on concrete and we're on grass. It's not gliding anymore.

Starting point is 01:24:56 How are you going to get up into the vehicle? Well, I didn't know yet. But I mean, I thought I figured I'd figure something out. I tried to put it on my foot. But okay, but before I even get there, let me just let you know about the neighbor who almost helped me commit a felony without knowing he was almost my freaking co-defendant. And as I'm going to my car and I'm like, oh, I'm dragging the safe. I kind of see like somebody moving out my peripheral

Starting point is 01:25:18 and when I look it's the freaking neighbor and we I have to look at him now because he's approaching. I can see he's moving closer. I pull out myself when I'm like mom I can't believe you have me doing this shit I'm home from college. You have me taking the safe to your office

Starting point is 01:25:30 I don't even remember the alarm code the alarm's going off the safe is heavy as shit like I'm so pissed off right now this is ruining my vacation you know hoping like so he'll hear me and not think why is this person pulling a safe out of my neighbor's house? Right.

Starting point is 01:25:42 So he I look we lock eyes and he's like sweetheart you need some help up with that? And I'm like, Jesus Christ. Like, no, sir, please go away while I'm robbing your neighbors safe. Like, stay over the hell over there. So he doesn't come. But anyways, what ended up happening was I couldn't get in the trunk, but I was able to wedge it up on my foot, like I stuck my foot up under it. I wedged it on my foot and then I kind of rolled it on my knee and then I kind of just rolled into the backseat. The backseat is lower than the trunk. Yeah. So I could roll, I rolled it into my backseat. For the record, there was nothing of value in it.

Starting point is 01:26:14 it was like birth certificates right marriage license deeds social security cards and everything else um i did return the stuff to the people a couple days later i felt guilty i did not feel guilty robbing them i felt guilty back keeping their paperwork whatever so i took it back um i put it in their mailbox i don't didn't usually remember homes that i burglarized because there were so many but these people had a particularly like nice home and it was memorable so anyways um and also i was like i would target certain areas like maybe i couldn't remember the home but i would remember the area so if i drove around long enough. And it was just crazy, Matt, because this is the thing, too, like, one time I was in a

Starting point is 01:26:49 neighborhood, and this neighborhood was big as shit, and I was like, holy hell, you know what? This is crazy. I got to get out of here. There's helicopters flying over. There's cops parked on every other street. There's got to be, like, a murderer on the loose. Like, for my safety, I need to leave. And the people were looking for me the whole time.

Starting point is 01:27:05 The alarms have been going off one by one, beep, beep, beep, beep, on all these streets. And they had apparently been looking for me for, like, a while, not a couple months. I'm assuming that a string of a couple hundred burglaries in an area within a year going to make them think, you know what? Right. I think someone's burglarizing the houses. Yeah. So once they, you know, they did all that thinking, all that, you know, genius rocket science thinking, they decided that they were going to really make their response to any burglary in a nice area was going to be like big, big presence. And I'm in this neighborhood and I'm just like so dense sometimes that I literally thought.

Starting point is 01:27:43 there was a murder on the loose in this neighborhood or a hostage situation. I need to get the fuck out of there quickly because there was a helicopter and there was all the cops. So I'm just driving out the neighborhood. My hair is blown in the wind. I got the windows down because I'm still conscious that like, oh shit, I need to, you know, I am burglar. In the midst of whatever this guy's doing,

Starting point is 01:28:01 because it has to be a guy doing something crazy in here. In the midst of what he's doing, I still am burglarizing these homes. So let me not look suspicious. So I roll the windows down. I turn the music up and I'm like, woo-hoo! You know, singing, whatever. And I'm riding out the neighborhood. And the whole time they were looking for me.

Starting point is 01:28:16 And I didn't even know it. So I got arrested and they told me. And because I was like, because they said to them. They were like, we've had helicopters looking for you and all that. And I was like, that was for me? And they were like, yeah. And I was like, oh, I didn't even know. I feel bad.

Starting point is 01:28:28 I yeah. I mean, I should have helped you guys out. I had no idea. It was that big. But yeah. And then, you know, and like animals. So, you know, they thought there was like a chicken bandit because I broke into someone's home. And as soon as I stepped through the threshold of the window.

Starting point is 01:28:43 I met with, and it's a dog, and it's not a fucking doodle, and it's not a Frenchie, okay? It's a big ass, I don't know what he is. It's not a Belgian Melanois, and it's not like a, you know, a pit bull, but it's something that's mean and doesn't like me and it's growling. And so I know, like, okay, I've got to really tread lightly here. So I'm like, and usually, but just so, you know, I carry some kind of treat, like a hot dog, a sandwich, something I can just toss their way and, like, get them out of the way. But I didn't have anything that day. And so I was like, Hotee, come up, puppy.

Starting point is 01:29:19 Let's be trying to do like a real high voice, you know. And I led him to the kitchen and all the people that I could see was a rotisserie chicken. So I just pull that thing open and put it on the ground and let him to like a little hallway and put a thing up right there. So he couldn't get through. He just ate that chicken the whole time. And I was in and out of there. So yeah. So there was like, and then there was a few times when I stepped in and I would step in the living room and all said, woo, woo.

Starting point is 01:29:42 And I was just haul out. or in a few times when I would break a window and they had the shatter feature where if glass broke, you know, they would, the alarm would go off. Yeah. And so like a few things happen like that here and there. But to be honest, 98% of the time, it was smooth sailing. Most people, you know, that have an animal, don't turn their motion detectors on. Most people leave something open.

Starting point is 01:30:04 Like even your front door, you know, I cannot tell you how many times I would look just through the little glass. the glass panes in your front door or like on the side of the door and look at the alarm box that's always next to everybody's front door and see if it was red or green you know like i know it's armed or it's not if it's green i don't you have to worry about shit i can open everything and so like there's so many things that are indicative of what's going on inside the home that people don't even realize and if they tweaked them it would really help them out and it's just like you're literally giving me a blueprint of what's going on and what i need to be aware of by saying in case of fire save Rufus.

Starting point is 01:30:42 Now I know you have a dog. I can see in your window if your alarm is set. I know your motion detectors aren't on if it is said. Like all of these things, you know. And so I just always found it really fascinating that people didn't do a few things differently. And instead of trying to get, you know, create the element of surprise, they try to, you know, expose all of these things that they have in place to keep their home safe.

Starting point is 01:31:04 And it really didn't work for them. It worked for me. Right. And it's, and, and, and even aside from. that like get to know your neighbors at least like just wave to me you don't have to talk to him just wave to them so they know who's supposed to be there and who's not because you can't tell me that that guy that offered to help me pull the safe in the car how like how the fuck do you not know that your neighbor doesn't have a grown college daughter right like that just seems like it's something you would know

Starting point is 01:31:30 even if you didn't know them and it's just bizarre that you would think that a car backed all the way up to their front door through the grass and sidewalk pulling a safe out while the alarm is going off in the background with a kid that you've never seen isn't alarming to you. Like, it's weird. You're a woman too. Right. Right. Perception.

Starting point is 01:31:47 Yes. They do not expect. Especially if you're like, hey, what's going on? Then they're like, they're expecting either a heavily tattooed white guy or a big black guy with dreads and gold teeth. Yeah. That's what they're expecting. Yep.

Starting point is 01:32:02 Absolutely. A young girl, hey. They're like, oh, hey, hey, hey, hey. I'll help you with the same. Which is crazy. Right. Which is like another reason I kind of started, you know, talking about all this too was because I thought, well, maybe, you know, I can kind of shift people's perception a little

Starting point is 01:32:18 bit just to at least be aware. Just to like, hey, this can really, you know, they can look different. They don't have to look like that. Where did most people? Did you find a place where people hid cash? Yeah. They always have it in the bank envelope, in literally the bank envelope, in their room, in a drawer or the woman in a purse somewhere in the car.

Starting point is 01:32:37 closet always or a lot of rich people would have it in office too like there would be a lot of it in the office but they man rich people always have that emergency stash and I knew because my mom and her friends always had it too um they're just worried that like the hurricane's going to close the bank down and everyone's going to have to evacuate so but yeah it was mostly always like in a drawer right there in the room in the dresser or in the purse in the closet like very simple um so the other question. You talked about the gold. What about did you, if you found diamonds, what did you do with diamonds? Did you break those apart? Not break them apart, but you can pull them out of the diamond ring, out of the jewelry, whatever. I actually had the one necklace that got me caught

Starting point is 01:33:21 and sent to prison had like five huge diamonds. And I didn't want to melt it because I just knew it was worth something. And I didn't know if it was worth more like intact or if I took the diamonds out and like the gold wasn't much. But I knew the diamonds were like so, so, and there were just. so freaking huge. But I wasn't a stones person. I didn't know anything about stones. I didn't deal in stones. So I'd never did anything with them.

Starting point is 01:33:43 And what I would do is I would pop the stones out. And a lot of the time I would pay the guy that I was using his machine, a lot of the times I would pay him in the stones. I was probably paying him way over. But like, I was so focused on my crime and what I was doing and just what I was doing. And I didn't really want to delve into like other areas of criminal stuff. Yeah. You're not trying to get rich.

Starting point is 01:34:04 you're trying to get enough money for, yeah. So he got, he got like probably a good 90% of all the stones. I mean, some stuff I was like, oh, this is fake and threw it out. God only knows, I don't even think about it. I probably threw it. They ever have a conversation with him? No, I never saw him. I actually got caught because, yeah, they had a conversation with him.

Starting point is 01:34:24 They were doing surveillance on his shot because he was doing other shady things. No. I don't know what. I can't believe it. Like, I really thought he was a straight-laced guy. Renting the machine. Renting me the machine. and running this legit business.

Starting point is 01:34:35 But apparently he was doing other shady dealings. And they were doing surveillance on his shop. And who do they see coming and going all the time? Me in my car with my license registered to me with my tag, not the fake one. And then what do they see on this girl's record? Burglaries, you know, more burglaries and this and that and whatever. And so they followed me a little bit. They never caught me doing anything.

Starting point is 01:34:57 But because I was on probation and they had the right to search me or my person or my property at any time for no reason at all. they ended up arresting him and they talked to him and he told him what he knew which was very minimal her name's Jennifer he didn't even know my last name she comes in she melts gold down he told him enough to make him suspicious she melts a lot of gold she pays me to use the refinery she goes about her business that's it that's how they ended up in my house actually they ended up my baby daddy's house but um I said baby daddy um they ended up at his house and they raided it and they found that the one necklace with the five big diamonds

Starting point is 01:35:33 and I had found out I was pregnant a week earlier with my first and only child, his first and only child, and he was super excited. And so I found out I was pregnant. That Tuesday we went to the doctor and found out officially. I found out the week before, but that Friday they raided the house. And I never, and he didn't know. So, like, he answers the door and then he gets me and says that the lady's out there to see you with the police vest. And he has no idea that I've ever been a criminal. He doesn't even know you're on probation?

Starting point is 01:36:01 He doesn't know I'm on probation, Matt. He doesn't know. He thinks I'm in town. He thinks I'm in town for a change of pace and going to this community college, because I was overwhelmed with the big university and, like, he knows nothing. All right. She knows I'm the daughter of two doctors, and I'm just, I just need to slow down a little bit. I was getting a little too rowdy.

Starting point is 01:36:21 So now I walk through the door, the lady says, don't make any sudden movements, and the police fly from the trees, the bushes, the sides of the street, the everywhere. And at this point, he's already gone back to the room. And when he tells the story, he said he was in the shower. He had just hopped in the shower real quick. And the cop came in and was like, get out the shower. Because they, like, down hard believed he had to have something to do with it. Like there was no way that they thought he was just an innocent bystander.

Starting point is 01:36:46 So he thought it was a mistaken identity. He thought it was case of mistaken identity. And he said that the moment that he looked at me and they said to him, can we search your house? Because it's in your name. It's not in her. So we can't search a house. And he said, yeah. and I said don't let him search your house.

Starting point is 01:37:03 They don't have a warrant. He was like, oh, damn. What did you get me into? What normal person says that? He looks at him and he goes, do you have a warrant? And they were like, no. And he was like, he can't search my house. And he was so devastated.

Starting point is 01:37:20 And I was like, and then the person was like, well, we'll lock your house up, make you go out and still get a warrant. It'll take like 12 hours or something ridiculous, whatever. But anyways, they lightly searched a little bit. and just like looked around. And they were on their way out. However, they looked through the windows on the garage and saw my car that's registered to me in the garage. So they turned their asses back around and search my car,

Starting point is 01:37:43 which is where they found the fake license plates and the necklace, the one necklace. So they took me away for that. I called him, Kyle, it's baby daddy, called Kyle from booking. And I was like, listen, I don't know what I'm going to get, but it's not going to be good. And I have a lot of stuff.

Starting point is 01:38:01 going on. I don't expect you to ride this out with me. However, all I ask is that when our child is born, because obviously I'm in custody now, so he's babies being born, you please afford my family the opportunity to have a relationship with him and whatever. And he was like, uh-uh, I'm not, I'm sticking by you, but you're like the most exciting thing that's ever happened to me. This is great. I've told all my friends, the cop we're here. He's like, yeah, he's like, uh-uh, no, no. Like, I've waited like 25 years to find someone this exciting. I'm not going to give up now. like, okay, all right. So, but to be, to be fair, he, he brought our son to see me every Sunday for 10 years to the prison. I had my son incarcerated. He took him home. He raised him. He brought

Starting point is 01:38:47 him to see me every Sunday for 10 years, never got remarried, never had any more kids, never got another girlfriend. And when I got out, he moved to Jacksonville with our son because I had, I was going back there and, you know, I was on probation. And he got a condo in the same neighborhood that I got a condo in and we co-parent and he did not his expectation of like anything after was just first like let's co-parent because you've missed a lot of years so let's um and guys always get so pissed at this are like you bitch you use them for 10 years and then you but i had to stop myself from saying you're a horrible person oh god but i said don't say it she may leave no if you if you go and look at any video that has

Starting point is 01:39:31 as any like snippet of him and what he's done, everything is like, you're just the biggest piece of shit in life. However, he responds to these things all the time. And he responds better. Like, no,

Starting point is 01:39:46 not in the comments, but like in life when people ask him or like, and he responds better than I do. And a lot of the reason that, you know, we're okay right now is because of the way he responds. And so this is what he always says. He's like,

Starting point is 01:39:59 I didn't bring. Our son, first of all, they lived in the same town at the prison. That's why I stayed in the maximum security prison and didn't go to like a better, you know, prison or one with AC or whatever because they lived like 10 minutes away. So him coming every Sunday was like easier logistically speaking. But I mean, for 10 years, that's still an incredible act. So, but he's like, I didn't bring our son because I was expecting like a reward by way of us, you know, like I did it for my son. My son, I didn't want him to grow up and ever say, why did you not let me meet my mom? mom. She wasn't a horrible person. Like, he knew me in a different way than just a criminal. And he believed

Starting point is 01:40:36 in the person that I was and the good in me and the ability to like come out of this. And so he didn't want my son to see me after prison and be 12, 15 years old and be like, she's not, you know, this horrible criminal. Why didn't you let me meet her or whatever and have anything, you know? Right. So he's like, I brought him not for her and not for me for our kid. And so he's, he's like, It just got me fucked up. I'm almost in tears. Yeah. I know I saw it.

Starting point is 01:41:04 But I cry very easy. That doesn't mean. I cry very easily. No, but. I'm kind of a pussy. No, it's okay though because it actually is a very moving thing. Yeah. No, that's very.

Starting point is 01:41:13 And it was and he was like, he says, you know, so he did it for him and he was like my son and his mom, like that's his only child. So, and he loves him so much. He's such a great dad. And he's like, my child didn't have

Starting point is 01:41:29 that woman, that nurturing, you know, thing, that figure in his life, I mean, he had a grandmas, but he didn't have that mom for like almost nine years. So I don't, the years after she gets out, right? Like relationships, most marriages, I mean, this is what he says. He's like, he's like, Jennifer, most marriages don't last 10 years, okay, and when you're in the same household. So to think that a relationship can sustain being physically apart for 10 years and still be the same as crazy. Now, could you, you know, re-ignite this by like starting over, not like starting over from scratch and like dating, but like getting to know each other. Because you're a different person when you're 27 than when you're 40. Because when we started dating, he was 25. I was 27.

Starting point is 01:42:14 And so now I'm getting out and I'm like 36. And so like we're different people. 30 to 40s. You're totally different. Plus I met him. I was like, you know, I was high and shit like that. We were having fun. Life was great. So he's like, like, you know, you, Dominic did not have you for all these beginning years. And he's only going to be a kid for like a couple more years. When he's 15, 16, he's not going to be looking for us. Now we checking for us. So right now, that is a time you need to invest in him and let him invest in you and bond because if you have a relationship, whether it's with me or somebody else, you have to nurture that. Like for anything to grow, you have to feed it, whether it's a plant or a relationship.

Starting point is 01:42:56 So to have this relationship, like, we have a bond because we've been through something incredible and he stayed by me. But like, you're still going to have to feed it romantically for it to keep going. So he's like, you need to put that into our son because he lacked that. And he did. He lacked that woman, that femininity, that he lacked all of that. So pour that into him for the next couple of years. And then, like, I'm here and we're here and we'll do whatever we need to do and whatever. And I haven't been with anybody since I've been out either.

Starting point is 01:43:22 So it's not like I, like, ditched him and went and dated whomever. Um, the Russian's dead. He got murdered in a hotel. He got set up and murdered. So he's gone. Not that it would have mattered because he was the exact same person when I left as when I came back. And you met him again? He came back to the United States. So he came back to the United States about a year and a half before I got out of prison. And, um, one day I was driving down the road and I saw him. Like, it was just the most fluke thing. Like we live in the same area. Um, well, his parents in him, their house is in the same. You know, Jacksonville is. big. It's the biggest city square miles wise, but it's like there's little area. So he was in this area. I saw a Mercedes going past me and I just like knew it was him because I saw, but like I saw his profile, but I wasn't going to try to stop him or anything. And then I ended up running into him at a gas station. And he ended up contacting me on Facebook. And that was the thing that you heard, you know, like when he's like, hey, call me some time, like text me some time, whatever. I did, I did meet up with him twice and talked to him very briefly in like a parking lot and and you know it just wasn't there like

Starting point is 01:44:32 it was like your 10 years has done nothing to change you fleeing the country for almost 10 years you has done nothing to change you almost getting killed multiple times has done nothing to change like you're still him and that was fine when I was 20 and it was exciting but now I have my frame of reference is prison and not being with my first and only child for his whole beginning years so now my frame of references like, holy shit, if I lose and fuck up, I'm losing so much more than just me going away because I don't have anything to lose back then. Right. Except my future, which you can't really put that into, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:45:06 You don't know what that is. You don't know what that is. Right. Right. You don't get. Right. So I was just like kind of done with it. And then he got murdered.

Starting point is 01:45:13 He got set up and he got murdered in a hotel. That was that. But do you know what happened? Because I don't know if you realize that that's not a normal thing. To get murdered? You know, and you know how it is. Not really. Do you know what happened?

Starting point is 01:45:26 Any specifics? Yeah. No, I do. I do. You know, and no, you're right. It's not a normal thing. But I just, you know, in his line of life style, I mean, it's like, so yeah, he actually, him and another guy were feuding about drugs.

Starting point is 01:45:44 I don't know the specifics of that. But I guess the guy and him were like actually just having a verbal argument. And I guess Gia stood up. and this came from like people that were there and people that we mutually know. They said that he stood up and he basically like bitch slapped the guy and then like made him, Gia made the guy give him all his shit was like, give me all your shit out of your pockets right now. Like you want to complain about this or that. Like give me all your shit.

Starting point is 01:46:11 And it wasn't a lot. It was just like whatever he had on him. And then he sat and then the guy gave it to him and ran to the bathroom and like walked himself in the bathroom. So he was like super embarrassed. And then Gia sat on the guy's couch. She was like at the guy's house and then started giving out whatever the guy had in his pockets like his money or his little bit of drugs or like started just giving it

Starting point is 01:46:30 to everybody in the room and they were like laughing at him. So the guy was like his pride, he was embarrassed in his pride. He just felt like he got punked or whatever. So he put out a like a bounty or whatever for 10 grand, eight grand, something around there for somebody to shoot him. And somebody did. They ended up calling him to. this abandoned hotel

Starting point is 01:46:54 and I guess somebody was in a closet with the camera which is how they know like all these details like filming it so they could get their money and he walked in he walked in and then they said something they did some kind of interaction it was like under the guys of like they were going to do some drug deal and then when he turned around to leave they shot him in the back

Starting point is 01:47:12 a couple times and he fell and he died so whoa yeah how did you find that out um this girl Lindsay um We have a mutual friend named Lindsay. Lindsay dated his brother, Armand. And that family's curse, man.

Starting point is 01:47:29 Armand died of cancer while I was in prison, the brother. But Lindsay is my friend on Facebook, and she ended up messaging me and being like, hey, did you hear that this happened today? And I was like, no. And then she gave me all the details on it and stuff. And, like, I followed it a little bit on the news and stuff like that. But at a point, I just let it go and was like, what, you know, like what for? So it was sad that like, it was sad that, you know, I got out and he was still the same person.

Starting point is 01:47:59 And then my son's father is like this amazing guy. Like there's two totally different guys. And how if I would have still been wrapped up in that Russian, you know, and all of that, I could have been in that hotel with him. Like, it's just crazy how 10 years can change somebody so much and change somebody so little at the same time and how you can meet people that are so vastly different. and everybody that you come across impacts you and leaves their imprint in some way or another. And it's like your life could literally take a turn and the entire trajectory could be changed

Starting point is 01:48:33 for the worst or for the better just by meeting one person and having that one influence and making that one decision to overlook this or to ride in the car with that. And that's how a lot of people get hemmed up and things happen and it snowballs. And so, yeah, so then I got out. And I went to prison for 10 years. And I got out February 2020 and right before COVID. And I got out and then COVID hit three weeks later. God, what a fucking.

Starting point is 01:49:02 I was like, you know, to be honest, I was, I mean, I just got out of prison. So I was like, whatever. Yeah, everybody's complaining about lockdown. Yeah, I'm like, this is nothing. This is great. I can go to public. So I got out. And I immediately, before COVID, shut everything down.

Starting point is 01:49:18 I got a job cleaning toilets at a gym, which was very, very humbling experience. I've cleaned some gym toilets myself. Yeah, I mean, you got to start. You know, I'm saying. You got to start. And so I did that. Then I got a job as a receptionist and a tanning badge.

Starting point is 01:49:31 So whatever I could because I knew like I needed to stay going and stay, you know, productive. And so I did whatever I could. But then everything shut down. And I was like, damn, I got, you know, I have to start finding ways to make money. And then I, like, I found social media. Because I said I wasn't going to get on social media because I didn't want to feel less than or like I had to keep up with Joneses or whomever. because I see the everyone's highlight real, you know, and I can't even get my nails done this time because I'm cleaning toilets. And I'm living in a hotel too, by the way. My mom paid a hotel for six months for me because she was like, my family pretty much cut me off besides my mom.

Starting point is 01:50:04 But my mom was like, I will pay for a decent hotel for you, like an extended stay with the kitchenettes and everything for six months. And I will help you and, you know, drive you places and whatever. But what you do from there, that's, I'm not giving you everything anymore. I'm not. So I did that. But I was all right. I managed to take off and be okay, but I was looking on. It's amazing how with the most minimal, what people out here consider the most minimal lifestyle. Yeah. You get out of prison, you're like, fuck yeah, I got myself a fucking.

Starting point is 01:50:37 Do you know? I got myself somebody's spare room. I got a piece of shit car that starts. You know what? I clean that hotel room. I didn't have the room service. I told them, do not come for all. months I was going to be there. I was there like five months. I told him, do not come clean. I got

Starting point is 01:50:54 myself a vacuum from the goodwill. I got myself little candles. I had my own comforter. I had stuff my mom gave me. I decorated. I treated that hotel room like it was my home, my multi-million dollar home because I was grateful. You're going to make me start crying because I see your eyes water. Jesus Christ. Lord of mercy. But yeah, I know I was really grateful for the the small beginnings because when you are coming from somewhere where you can't even, you know, you can't even keep this water bottle because it's contraband because the water's gone and now I put coffee in it and they're going to throw it away.

Starting point is 01:51:31 It's like, fuck, man. Yeah, I decorated that room and I vacuumed it and I cleaned it and I made it like it was my own space and I got a shit car and I loved it because it got me everywhere and I cleaned the toilets like it was the best thing ever because I knew I was going to get a paycheck at the end and no one was going to say, hey, you're going to prison because you have 20 grand that's you know stolen like so it was and I bonded with my son and I you know I just life life started to take off I did have a little bit of money save from prison that I was going to invest in something I didn't know what it was it wasn't even 10 grand it was like eight nine grand

Starting point is 01:52:07 um I took a little bit of it to buy a car so now that left me with like four grand um so I took it and I put it with my son's father and we got a bounce house business I mean, most of the money's his, but I put in my little bit so I could get something back. And so we have a bounce house business now, and it's really nice. It's like commercial. It's not like a little, like a dinky, two-man, you know, two bounce houses. We have 11, and they're really, really nice, and they're the big combos. And we're in Florida, so it's busy all the time.

Starting point is 01:52:36 I know they had one over here the other day. They drove us fucking crazy for what, two days straight. Yeah. Little six-year-old kids are, it's 11 o'clock at night, for God's sakes. We can hear. And then they loved it so much. They went and they got a trampoline. So now at 4 o'clock every day when they get home, it's screaming.

Starting point is 01:52:57 Now they're jumping nonstop. Nonstop. And it all started with the bouncy houses are a gateway. They are. They are. To the trampoline. To this. Yes.

Starting point is 01:53:06 To what you have going on. Can I ask you a question? I'm sorry. Yeah. What is this? So this is just nothing. It's I got it when I was 18 and it says Gemini, Deuce, Deuce, because I I had no idea what I was going to get tattooed on my arm and I wanted to be cool with an arm

Starting point is 01:53:20 tattoo. So what did I get my birthday? Like I guess I forget it. May 22nd, Gemini 2-2, you know? How ridiculous. I know what's happening. I get it. Like how can you possibly, but I thought it was so cool when I was 18.

Starting point is 01:53:32 I was like, man, that writing is fire. Look at that diamond. Look at that diamond right there. Like, you doesn't want a diamond girl. Yeah. Let you know, I'm shot on it. But yeah, so that's that. These are cover-ups.

Starting point is 01:53:44 I got some prison tattoos because I was like. like, fuck it, I'm going in prison for 10 years. I'm thug. Y'all aren't going to fuck with me. I'm about to fight everybody. Oh my God. So I got like some prison tattoos, but you can't see him now. They're all covered up.

Starting point is 01:53:57 The cover up looks good because you don't, you can't tell. Yeah, I would never, ever get tattoos on my arms now. Again, I go to my son's very private, very rich, very Catholic school that I, that he goes to. And I meet people and I wear long sleeves all the time. And as soon as they get a glimpse of my hand, they're like, oh, what was your son's name? Oh, he's in what grade? And I'm like, bitch. Like, you know, God, judgmentalized people, man. But anyways. So, yeah, so that's like kind of what's going on now. I have my condo with my son and his dad picks him up every day. His dad is with him right now. His dad's picking him from school today.

Starting point is 01:54:36 They're going back to the condo. Like, we are very close, very good friends. We co-parent great. I have a good relationship with my mom. I don't see any of the people that I ever knew back in the day. life is just pretty good. So can I ask a question? You said you do TikTok. So here's the way you ended up here is because Jess had done a video with on Ian Bix show. And so although she doesn't care about views and doesn't care how it looks and doesn't do anything about that, she does check it every two days.

Starting point is 01:55:10 So she checked and she's like, Ian Bick just had another girl because Ian Bick said, girls don't do well. He's like, I do these videos. They have great stories. They come in. He's like, and then I don't know why the videos don't do well. And I've kind of had that where I've had some. I can feel.

Starting point is 01:55:28 I can see how that might be. I don't get, I don't know why. Because I've, you know, some of them have great stories. But I guess also because like 92% of the people that watch. Yeah. To me, if 90% of the people watching my channel are male, I would think a woman, a video from a girl would do well. It's actually the opposite.

Starting point is 01:55:47 Yeah, I don't think they're, it's funny because most of my people are women. Yeah. They're like so intrigued by it. And that, yeah, that's really, that's the Jessica Kent thing, right? Oh, God. That whole story is just so ridiculous. I can't even. Listen, I have a, okay, I can't say the name because this will be out before.

Starting point is 01:56:10 But May 17th, I'm flying to a certain state to do some filming with a certain company that has a, YouTube channel that the girl that you just said has been, has said she works with a lot. I don't know how is. They don't pay. Like, whatever. Anyways, I was just saying, God, I hope she's not there. And I hope she's not part of this new project because I don't think I can literally sit across from you and have a conversation because it's a group of, and it's my best friends going

Starting point is 01:56:38 as well. Right. So I don't think either of us could sit in a room knowing that I've done, I did 9.2 years of my time. I went in in 2011. I got out in 2020. And so, like, I did, because in Florida, it's 85%. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:56:52 I did the majority of my 10-year sentence. Right. And I don't think I could, and my best friend did 27 years to the door. So. That's the girl that just came in. Yeah. So I don't think on two sentences. One was a 25 and she did 20.

Starting point is 01:57:06 And then the other one was a seven to the door. She wasn't eligible for getting time. So she did 27 years with a six-month break in between. It was so bad. But she went into juvenile too. But yeah. So I just don't think I could sit there and be like and take you seriously with these stories. That by the way, when I first got out and I ran across one of her videos randomly, I was like,

Starting point is 01:57:24 this sounds so weird. This isn't what my prison experience was like at all. We don't check paperwork and we don't beat up chomos. And we don't, you know what they fight about girlfriends? That's it. They fight about girlfriends. You look to my girlfriend, you talk to my girlfriend, my girlfriend's sliding with you, maybe some stolen property, maybe some snitching, but that's it. Snitching stolen property or girlfriends, that's.

Starting point is 01:57:46 That's it. And mainly girlfriends. And I'm like, and then you know what happens if you find out someone's a chum or something like that? Someone goes and gets on the phone and calls her people

Starting point is 01:57:53 and says, hey, look this up for me. And then they verify it. And then y'all go talk about it. And then that's it. And then everybody keeps going about their life. Nobody says you can't watch TV.

Starting point is 01:58:03 You can't watch TV in the TV room. No. You can get out of this prison. What are you like, what is she talking? And then she was talking about paperwork checks and stuff. I don't even have girls know where their paperwork is. I don't remember anyone ever pulling it out

Starting point is 01:58:14 and saying, verify me or whatever. So by the way, this is everything you're saying is exactly what Jess says, you know. They do. That's why I, she had me with her stories, I'm not going to lie to you. This creator had

Starting point is 01:58:32 me questioning if my and I was actually, and I was at Lowell, which is the maximum security female state prison in Florida. There's only like Lowell, Gadsden, Homestead, work camp. There's only like four maybe I'm forgetting one. Prisons, female prisons, state prisons in Florida.

Starting point is 01:58:48 And that is the one with death row, and that is the one that's the maximum security and where every, all the real prolific, you know, Eileen Warnos and everybody was. And I'm just like questioning, damn, was that prison just really like pussy compared to all the other ones that she was at? Like, Arkansas must be real hard, man. Because, dang, I was where Eileen Warnos was, I was where all, everyone you see on Snap or killer couples for the past five years was in there with me. And I literally never saw any of this. It was so bizarre. So, yeah. So listen, I have another question.

Starting point is 01:59:21 Yes. So you said you got on, you got on what TikTok? Yes. And you started doing TikTok. So why did you do? Did you just think, I mean, did you think, hey, this will be something? No, fuck it on board. I saw people saying make $10,000 a month.

Starting point is 01:59:36 And you thought. With affiliate marketing. And I said, what? And then I saw people say, say, make $10,000 a month by adding by like something else. And it was all video related, like affiliate. marketing, digital marketing, this, that. And I was like, holy shit, I'm about to be a millionaire. I can make $10,000 a month, every month from all these six

Starting point is 01:59:55 difference. Holy shit, it's on. And COVID was here. So I, you know, I had nothing but my phone in time. So I was like, okay. And then I realized, like, you know, they just want to sell me a course. And I bought them. I mean, I bought all the courses.

Starting point is 02:00:08 I bought all 60 of them. So they got my money for sure. They're probably rich. They're their millionaires now. But yeah, they got all my money for sure. But yeah, so after that, so I started making videos and all of it was like skincare and makeup related because I was trying to make my 10 grand a month with affiliate marketing. Right.

Starting point is 02:00:25 And when I finally was like, this is bullshit, I'm getting 75 views and nobody gives a shit. And I have a filter on so they can't even see what my skin care and makeup is actually doing. I was like, eh. And so I started talking about prison, a little bit about prison, a little sprinkles of prison, but I was very ashamed. So last November, I only just told my story. for the first time last November, this past November, a couple months ago. Told my story. Like, if you go back on my TikTok, you'll see that that's the first time you ever hear

Starting point is 02:00:55 me talk about me. And it's because my neighbor kept getting her fucking packages stolen. And she doesn't know I'm a cat burglar or an ex-cat burglar. And I said, Miss Peggy, why don't you get a ring cam? Because they're stealing your packages because there's no threat here. Get a ring cam. She's like, I don't want to get a ring cam. They're not going to do anything.

Starting point is 02:01:13 They're going to see it and still steal it. I'm like, yeah, maybe like once, but they're not going to keep coming back. I promise you. And I don't want to say, hey, I'm an ex-cat burglar, and I'm telling you that it will deter them. So, anyways, I realized in that moment, Ms. Peggy got the camera, got a ring, a little cheap $40 camera. And they stopped stealing our packages. And I was like, holy shit, maybe there's some value in telling people, hey, do these couple things, you know, and like, it'll help tremendously. And then, as I started telling my story, people were like, well, why did, you know, why did you?

Starting point is 02:01:44 why did you go? What's your story? Because I started talking first about just like prison, like five prison rules or five prison this or three things to not do in prison. Then I started saying tips of things that would help homeowners. And then people were like, well, how do you know? What did you do? Why were you in prison?

Starting point is 02:01:59 And then I started telling my story. And then, you know, people were like, oh, my God. You know, so you don't have to come from a broken home or a bad background or whatever. And so then there was, I thought, well, hell, maybe there's value in that. Maybe there's value in showing like, hey, you can crime and addiction, do not discriminate. And then, you know, now I've been out four years and people are like, man, how did you come out okay? And I'm like, I started cleaning toilets living in a hotel. Very humble and very grateful and with not a lot of help and not a lot of money. And then people are like, for real. And I was like,

Starting point is 02:02:29 yeah, and I stayed off social media. That was a big factor because I don't want to compare what other people had and their highlight real to my very basic life that I was super proud of in my hotel room. I was very happy and proud of it. And I didn't want to look at you and all your fancy name brand stuff with your nice cars and your home, aesthetically pleasing home, and be like, damn, my hotel room doesn't look as good anymore. I did not even start a social media account until I'd been out for two years. And I didn't start talking about my story until this past November. So anyway, so when I started telling people that, they were like, oh man, man, you know, my brother's about to get out. My dad's about to get out. I'm going to tell them this. And I was like, well,

Starting point is 02:03:04 maybe there's some value in that. So I was like, okay, maybe there's just value in this whole story. Let me just start telling people and they'll pick out whatever works for them and scarred the rest. And and then some people thought I was funny. So then, you know, I just, that's it. Entertaining, value, education, encouragement, hope, whatever you get from it, you know, you get it. And so, yeah, no, here we are. Did you get birth in jail? Yes. I gave birth to my first and only child while I was in jail. And thankfully, I was in jail, not in prison, because in prison, you're already convicted and you're found guilty. But in jail, you're still fighting your case. So at that point, they have to actually contact your emergency contact if you have an emergency.

Starting point is 02:03:40 during delivery, which I did. My emergency was I had to be induced. So they called my mom, and they were like, hey, you know, this is what's going on. She's having an emergency. And long story short, my mom was able to actually come to the hospital and my son's father. But I was handcuffed to the bed. I was shackled to the bed. It changed.

Starting point is 02:03:58 It alternated depending on what was going on. Like while I was pushing, I was handcuffed. So, you know, like this. But while I wasn't pushing, I was shackled. And I was there for five days. Thank God. by the way, it's unheard of to be there for five days. It's usually 24 hours, vaginal delivery, 48 hours cesarean.

Starting point is 02:04:17 My mom was like professional courtesy, you know. My mom was like, hey, she's going to go to prison for a while. We don't know how long yet, but can she like breastfeed her son? Can she bond with him a little bit? So they extended a little professional courtesy and allowed her to, um, allowed me to stay for a couple days longer and just extend things. And yeah, I had him in the hospital. It was, I had him in the hospital while I was locked up with, let me tell you the weirdest part.

Starting point is 02:04:40 The weirdest part of having my son while I was in jail was most women that have a baby are familiar with their doctor, their OBGYN, with the hospital. They usually do a tour first. You know, their husbands in the room, their mom's in the room, whomever. I had a guard, a jail guard, a doctor I'd never seen, nurses I didn't know, in a hospital I'd never been to. And I was terrified I was going to poop while I was pushing. So it was a bad situation. And it all happened, by the way. All everything I just named happened.

Starting point is 02:05:09 All strangers. And then when they gave, and I pooped. And then when they gave, my son was out and the doctor felt odd. I could tell it was very awkward. He was like, who's going to cut the umbilical cord? And then he called a nurse's name. He was like, I'll cut it. Give him to me.

Starting point is 02:05:25 And then so he was like, you sure? And I was like, yeah. So he put him in my arms. We had like a skin to skin. And I cut the umbilical cord where I was like, well, just me and you guy. Like, because it was just, we were the only ones in there that knew each other. You know what I mean? Everybody else was a stranger.

Starting point is 02:05:37 So my mom and his dad made it, but they didn't make it yet. They made it probably about an hour, 45 minutes to an hour so after I had him. Because they had to, my mom, the hospital was Shans, which is not right in Ocala. And my mom's in Jacksonville. So my mom was driving about an hour and 45 minutes, and my son's father was driving like about 45 minutes. And they took your son home? Yeah. After the fifth day, his dad, my son's father, he took him home.

Starting point is 02:06:07 and he raised him. Okay. And then brought him to see me every weekend for almost 10 years, every Sunday. Don't get teary eyed on me. You didn't get me all fucked up. Anyway, okay. So. So.

Starting point is 02:06:18 The whole time he was locked up, his mother, which was how old baby at the time? Um, in her, from 70s to 80s. Okay. She, she did it every other weekend, but she showed up every other weekend for 13 years. So. So. Yeah, it's a thing. It's a, it's a, it's a.

Starting point is 02:06:36 it's a load man they do it they love I mean there's nothing like a mother's love and but you know for someone to do it for their child it's such a different like dynamic because you know he's doing it for him which is he thinks he thinks that this criminal that has this sentence that I lied about all my life to him like the whole life we had I've lied about my past and yet you think I'm good enough of a person to be doing this every weekend for almost 10 years is an incredible act of kindness and it's like I will forever be grateful because that's, I don't know that I know anybody else that would have done that. Right.

Starting point is 02:07:14 Like is there, I guess, your biggest lick, like the house that, you know, we made the most money yet. Okay. So my biggest lick, my biggest hit. It's actually kind of funny. There's a girl on TikTok right now, and she said, story time of when Jen Jen Gomez robbed my parents' house and stole over. $100,000. So the biggest lick that I've gotten was about $70,000 in jewelry and cash.

Starting point is 02:07:46 There was like about $30,000 in cash or so. The rest was in jewelry. However, you know, when I see a story like hers, I'm like, well, damn. Now, I'm not saying that I didn't steal $100,000 from her home or from her parents' home. By the way, I reached out to her and we made friends crazy, crazy enough. Her mom forgave me. Thank God.

Starting point is 02:08:07 They didn't have to do that. Really kind people, by the way. It made me feel even shittier than, you know, when I saw the video. Rather have them paid me. Oh, right? So kind. Daughter, so kind. Mother's so kind.

Starting point is 02:08:18 Ridiculous. Um, great people. But, uh, yeah. She said I had, I stole over $100,000 from her home. But tangibly like me saying, hey, this is what I got. This is what I know I got in my pocket. It's about $70,000 from one house. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:08:35 Yeah, I was going to say, my mom had a friend that did jewelry. She got robbed and they stole like half a million dollars in diamonds. And the guy that got caught, the way they caught the guy was he was in a bar selling like two diamonds that are worth $5,000, $500,000. For $500, $200, $200, $50, $20. Jesus. Where was I that day? I mean, just, and that's how they called him because he had come in, the bartender finally said, you know, I'm going to call the cops.

Starting point is 02:09:05 This is the fourth time this week. This guy's coming in selling diamonds for 50 bucks. Like something's wrong. Cops show up. They grab him. The whole thing unravels. He was the guy that robbed him. I wish the bartender would have just bought him all.

Starting point is 02:09:16 Almost no money left. That's ridiculous. That's a junkie stunt, you know? Big junkie stunt. What's some things that an everyday person can do to protect their house? Okay. So in my opinion as being an ex-cat burglar, I would say that there is like a few things that homeowners can do that.

Starting point is 02:09:34 would absolutely help them protect their home better. One of them being activate the freaking sensors or the feature in your alarm system that if you break glass, it goes off automatically. I know some people complain that like if a dog barks, it goes off or whatever, just do it. It will help so much. Do not post signs and pickets and things in your front yard

Starting point is 02:09:56 saying you have an alarm system and what kind. It's not hard to figure out how to do things now. There's YouTube, how to disarm an ADT security system, how to bypass an ADT security system, how to, you know, whatever, a ring.com. Like, don't advertise what you have going on. You're giving them information in a blueprint to your home. Try to keep your curtains and your blinds closed when you're not there. People can look in and get information about where's the master bedroom,

Starting point is 02:10:19 where's the office, where's a kid's room, you know, you don't know what they're there for. Close your freaking windows and blinds. If you have a front door and it's pretty and you want little like cutouts and stained glass and whatever, just try to get ones where you can't see too much of what's going on inside. Do not advertise that you have animals. If you do have animals, you need to, you can turn all the motion sensors off, okay? But then close your bedroom door and or your office door and or your kids door. At the very least your bedroom door, because every burglar is going to go there and turn on the motion sensor in that one zone in your bedroom.

Starting point is 02:10:55 Because when the burglar goes in there, if they do, then it will go off automatically. Your dog doesn't have to go in that one room. Like at least that one room, close a door and turn the sensor on. And just be conscientious of your neighbors. Like say, hey, you don't have to become best friends with them, but just say hi sometimes. Know who's supposed to be in your neighborhood. If something feels weird, it probably is weird. And get yourself a freaking ring cam because a ring cam where 100% deter people much more than you think.

Starting point is 02:11:21 Police don't go after a burglar is based on a picture. Yes, true enough. But if they see a ring cam and it's motion activated and you can even turn on like the little message that's just like automated, like, hey, how can we help you? Do that. do all that. Re-en cams are like 50 bucks on Amazon. Just got one. I would start out with those few things and tell people do that. Just do those things and it'll help tremendously. Close us call. What do you got away? Okay. So, no, I haven't told this story. One of the closest calls where I didn't get caught, you'd think would be when the helicopters were flying over me and the police cars were parked on every other street, but it was not. It was actually when I was inside of a home and I would make provisions. so that homeowners would, they would make noise.

Starting point is 02:12:06 Like I would, you know, lock certain doors. I would think I'd hear beep, beep or something if they come in. That way, if I'm way off in a room, I would hear them and I could get out. But this one particular day, I did not, I didn't hear anything. I don't know what the hell happened. All of a sudden I heard a teenage male voice and a mom and groceries and wrestling. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on? So I come out of the master bedroom and I'm in a long hallway.

Starting point is 02:12:28 And at the end of the long hallway, to the left is the kitchen where I hear the people. And to the right is the garage door. About five feet in front of that is the front door to the right. But these people don't even know them their home yet. So I have to get down this long hallway to the front door to get out. And then I have to open the front, unlock it, open it, let it go, beep, beep. And then run to my car, which, by the way, my car is in their driveway. So what the hell are they thinking that there's a strange car in the driveway for?

Starting point is 02:12:53 I don't know what they're thinking. But anyways, I start walking down the hall. And all of a sudden, the mom sees the broken glass. And she's like, whatever, starts yelling and saying, come here to her teenage son. And as I'm walking down this hall, she's walking on one side of this column that's lining the hallways. There's columns lining the hallway.

Starting point is 02:13:13 And I'm rolling around the other side of the column. She's rolling on one side walking. I'm on the other side. And finally, I make it past her. Like I'm passing her like this. She's passing me like this. I dart to the front door. I open it.

Starting point is 02:13:25 I start running to my car. She's coming behind me. By the time I'm like to the end of the sidewalk area, she's at the front door yelling, hey, stop. I'm calling the police. Like, man, that's not what's going to get me to stop. Man, sorry. Anyways, so I jump in my car and I haul, you know, I haul us, but, and I get out of there,

Starting point is 02:13:43 but that was a really close call because we were literally within inches of each other, each on one side of a set of columns. And, you know, I was rolling like a ninja like this. I mean, yeah, that's it. I would want to go into, but I know we don't have time for like 10 years in prison. I'm sure there's a whole other podcast. That's a whole other podcast on 10-year-old. Yeah, that would be like a whole other story.

Starting point is 02:14:05 Yeah. Because, yeah, that could be a part, too, because I'm telling you, there's a lot of stuff. Yeah, that starts a whole other thing, just how Chernees and I met. I was on my way to solitary confinement, and she went and jammed her foot in the dorm and was like, Sarge, hold on, don't take her. She's not a heathen. Just hold on.

Starting point is 02:14:21 Give me a chance with her. And that's how we started our friendship. Yeah, I think we saved all that for a part, too. Hey, I appreciate you guys watching. Do me a favor. Hit the subscribe. Hit the bell so you can. Hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified videos just like this.

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