Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Celebrity Cop Reveals What Happens Behind The Camera Copstv

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We've got a strong track record and a community that's learning and winning together. So go to investing fix.com. That's Fix with two X's and join us. I was on cops and I learned a lot about policing on that show. I mentioned the same thing on the DiOvon podcast. That was my lieutenant. I did not know that one. Well, how about this? Before we started where I was in one, I brought you something. Are you cool with that? I'm going to give you something. I see you got stuff. No, it's not here. It's not here. It's here. It's here. So this is a really cool little souvenir. This is a badge from my former department that you can put on your mantel piece from Las Vegas Metro.

So it's a kind of a souvenirative badge. I had to take it out of the case to travel over here, but you just set it up and then it goes, and now you have a badge and you just tighten that up when you get a chance. Okay. Matt now has a badge. Why did you have to take it out of the? Why? Because the badge comes by itself.

I had to buy this separately. Oh, okay. So I bought that separately. So you're going to have to tighten it up and put it so that it stays in there. It looks very legit. Oh, it is legit. But, I mean, it's a legit commemorative bad. You can't, like, pull anybody over there.

I can't. So if I get a leather, if I get a, like, if I took my wallet and I, I, I fix it in the wallet. Can I, I can't? No, you can't. I'll go to jail. You'll go back to, you'll go back to president. That's bullshit, man. What are you talking about?

It looks very legit, bro. It's legit, man. I'm telling you. It doesn't. It doesn't say. It doesn't say commemorative. Well, it's from the police managers' supervisors' association. So we know what the actual batch is.

I feel like I could get somebody to confess. Oh, well, come on. I thought you were formed, man. I'll get him in the back of my car. You said you were reformed, brother. Now, this goes on your mental piece, too. Okay. All right, cool.

Thank you. You know what I have, what I've gotten several times? Whenever I do stuff with the sheriff's department, they always give me a little coin, you know. Yeah, yeah. I got a bunch. I got two coins. Challenge coins are cool. Do you know the story behind challenge coins?

No. So challenge coins are actually really interesting. They started really in the military, and it's called the challenge coin because everyone from different units ends up going to bars afterwards somewhere. And then you see other people from different units. So you're supposed to carry a challenge coin.

You put your challenge coin on the table. Everyone puts a challenge coin on the table, and you know that they're all kind of branded with their unit number and logo. If you don't have your coin, you got to buy it. the round. That's why it's called the challenge coin. That's the history. I thought it was going to be some kind of a drinking challenge or something. No, no, no. Well, you got to buy the drink, so I guess that's

kind of it. But yeah, you know, to me, being a professional and a gentleman, when you come to someone else's house, it's important. So I just wanted to gift you that. Nice. Thank you. You're very welcome, my friend. So about me. I am from New York, born and raised in Queens. My parents were very, very influential in my life. In fact, if I were to think back, why it is that I have made any degree of success in life. It's primarily because I grew up in a household with two parents until my parents got divorced. Very, very significant. And when I look at people and I interact with them, if they have both of their parents in their lives,

I can usually see how that thread wove them into being somewhat successful. And not that everyone who has both parents are successful, but it's definitely one of the cornerstones to being successful. In fact, I'll share with you an interesting story that to this day, I remember about why two parents matter. And there's a bit of a crime in this, which is kind of interesting as I tell you this story, is my sister and I, my younger sister, she was probably about six or seven, and I'm two years older than her, so then I was eight or nine. So we were young, and we had a dog named Waggles, and we lived in a little small two-bedroom, apartment. So it's my mother, my father, my sister, and I sharing a bedroom. And this dog waggles that we had, we'd love this dog, but he would tear things up. And both of my parents

worked during the day. So one day, my dad said, if this dog tears anything else up, we're going to get rid of the dog. And so one day I come home from school because we were latchkey kids. And we freaked out because wiggles tore up all the checkbooks, everything, all the bills, because this is back in the, you know, 70s, 80s, where nothing was online. This was all the actual bills. And so. And we're not. And so and my sister and I were home and I told we're not we got to hide this stuff we got to get rid of this stuff and just pretend that it just went somewhere

because Waggles is going to have to go so my father he kind of could tell something was up and so he says let's go to the dumpster so my sister and I we walk with my dad to the dumpster we get to the dumpster and we had thrown the stuff in the dumpster

but he didn't see it like it was like one of those movies scenes where it's like if he turns over one more trash can. Right. So he doesn't see it. And so we're walking back to my apartment. Now, this is the crux of the story, which is where all of the interesting elements fall into play. My sister and I are walking behind my father and I could tell my sister was about to break. She was about to break because my dad was with my dad started yelling. People got nervous, right? And I turned to my sister and I said, don't say anything. And all of us, I get chills now.

Now, my mother out the window says, he didn't see you, but I did. And from that moment, I realized that this is. They're working tandem. And that's how parenting is supposed to be. But there's other layers to the story, right? Me, the big brother, supposed to be getting my sister to do the right thing, and I'm trying to get her to do the wrong thing. But ultimately, it always, to this day, and I'm in my 50s,

remember that having two parents was very instrumental in me becoming who I was because they worked together to build me. So that's important. But back to that. We're from Queens. What happened to Wiggles? Wiggles ended up, we got rid of Wackles, man. You got rid of Wiggles, man. Wiggles had to go. That was a messed up story, man. Don't get me to cry on your show, man. We had to get rid of Wagles. But, you know, my dad was probably the strongest male role model in my life and for a guy to be able to say that it's really, really important. And my mother was also very influential. The two things my mother taught me very young is she always was about praying God

and reading. My mother got me reading. My mother used to read these trashy novels, like these slave novels. She used to read these trashy slave novels and, I mean, all kinds of books. And she got me into reading as well. So my mom with the reading and church, and both of my parents were extraordinarily supportive. Like to this day, I talk to my mom every day. I told you that I was talking to her on the way here. She's 80 years old. And, you know, she's got some health challenges. But if I were to say to my mom, that guy right there, do them. Wheelchair over, pull out the razor without asking a question. That's exactly. I mean, both of my parents were extraordinarily protective. And for any parents, you'll see that that protective nature is something that people

who don't have children don't necessarily understand the degree that a parent will protect a child. And if a kid feels that, we want to feel that as children. And I think that might be why I got led into law enforcement, because that protective nature is so incredibly important for men to have in them, and women as well, because the mother's protective nature is extraordinarily strong. Before I forget, what's a slave novel? So there are these trashy old slave novels where they would have like the white lady who was on the plantation and she would have like the big black buck come in and have sex with her. There's tons of these, man. My mother used to read these books, man.

I don't know why she was into that crap, but that's what she read. Okay. Yeah. I thought you were thinking like, were they Harlem? Harlequin. Harlequin romance novels. I guess this was like the get-up. It was a form of it.

I guess the jungle fever version. Okay, so well, at what point did you always think you were going to go into law enforcement? I did it. I followed my father's footstice. So my dad was,

my dad was all, you know, it's really interesting. My dad is a guy who I, to the, my dad passed away in 2017, but I genuflect to his image. He is just like,

to me, the ultimate man. He was an army. He was a combat guy, a master jumper. I was in Korea, the whole nine yards. And then he went into law enforcement, but he went into a different form of law enforcement.

In New York State, he worked at, in New York State, they had a lot of mental institutions. And one of the state law enforcement jobs was to work inside the mental institution for, like, the criminally insane or whatever. They worked at a place called Creedmore. Both of my parents worked at a place called Creedmore. And most people from Queens will know where Creedmore is. In fact, the interesting story is that my sister and I will say to people that we grew up in a mental institution because when a lot of times, if our parents worked different shifts,

we would have to go on the grounds and be like around all of the mentally ill people. So it was a really interesting experience for us as we grew up because, you know, that's part of what our life was. Is that place still around? Creedmoor's still around. Really? But it's not as big as it used to be. Okay.

Because Ronald Reagan kind of cut back on a lot of the mental, you knew, know about this. You heard you heard, he's heard me say this multiple times. Yeah. Yeah, I've said like for like I always think of, you know, he was like, to me, He was like a great president, but nobody's perfect. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like there were some cuts in places that I think, come on, man, you know.

And there's other things that, you know, like the selling the American people, you know, the whole, the cold war, which I get it. And you need people to get behind it. One of the big things when I was growing up, because I was traumatized when I was growing up was growing up was that the Soviets, the imminent Soviet invasion, that they, they, they, they. They can come here, that they will land. You've got movies like Red Dawn. And it's like, the Soviets aren't coming here. Like, they don't even have the ability to get here. They don't even have troop transports to get here.

They don't have the, you know, the naval vessels to get here. Like, how was that going to happen? How could nobody ever ask that question? And, you know, it's not until you look back and you realize, like, oh, you were, it was it was a whole fear thing. I mean, I get it. I get it. But there's just certain things that I feel like, I don't know.

Other than that, I think it was a great president. Great president. Yeah. And what's interesting about that is my time in the Marine Corps is that I was on embassy duty. And one of the embassies I was at was back then it was Yugoslavia. It's Serbia now, Belgrade. So I kind of understand some of the Eastern Bloc mentality and a lot of the reasons why some of those things happen. But yes.

So the mental institution was a part of my growing up. And funny, it's interesting as you get older, the things that you're not embarrassed to speak about. because I used to be embarrassed that I spent so much time in a mental institution. I mean, it was just because my parents worked there, but you know, kids, they tease and I just now realize that as a kid, I used to be a little bit embarrassed to talk about that. But again, my dad was, you know, he worked there and my mom worked there as well. And I realized that two things I wanted to do was I wanted to go into the military and I wanted to go into law enforcement. So my parents got divorced, which was incredibly crucial.

that was the first time How old were you? 13. Okay. First time I experimented with my... First time I did a lot of different things that were just not the right thing to do. And I think back on those things.

And it was definitely, I had a lot to do with the fact that there was this fracture in my family unit, and it opened the door to things happening. So when people watch things like this, I always hope that there are takeaways. You know, when I prepare to come to speak, and I've only been on a few podcasts, I always think about a kid who was maybe my age, who is watching. And it's like, man, I was going through that.

And hopefully they can take away something to transition their life into a different direction. But it worked out for me, fortunately, because at 17, my mother signed and I was able to graduate high school early and going to the Marine Corps. And I took to the Marine Corps like a fish to water. It was my thing. Like, I still think back. I mean, that was Paris Island, 1987. Full Metal Jacket had just come out. In fact, I watched Full Metal Jacket right before I went to boot camp.

And it was, I mean, you know, Stanley Kubrick did a phenomenal job in the film. He did a phenomenal job. And Paris Island in 1987 was just like that. And it was all about discipline. And so if there was another, I guess, touch point that I'd like to address is that discipline was incredibly important to me. and there's so many parallels to like the criminal side and the non-criminal side, the law enforcement side, because to be a good criminal, you have to be disciplined. Right.

There has to be discipline. That's usually why they slip up. And that's why they're not. Yeah. That's the one key right there. And so in the Marine Corps, when we first got to, you know, third battalion eye company, when you get there, they teach you from the very beginning. It's about discipline. They had this thing where you had to go, D-I-S-C-I-P-L-L-N-E, discipline, sir, discipline is, the instant willing.

obedience to order, respect for authority, self-reliance, teamwork, stop. And then you have to freeze. So everyone in unison, so when a drill instructor comes on to the quarterdeck, everyone says that, D-I-S-E-I-P-L-N says that, spells it out, and then you freeze wherever you are, right? So in the beginning, you learn it, but there's no cadence to us. So we're like freezing, and we're like all in these weird positions. Towards the end, everyone starts to me, and you're like D-I-S-E-I-P-I-N, and boom.

And everyone just gives me chills. So I think about how awesome it was that I'm at 17 years old with these other guys and we just learn to become this like unit of people that could move into a space and do whatever we had to do. So to me, the Marine Corps was the ultimate. And I was so proud of the fact. And my parents were incredibly proud that I was able to thrive in the Marine Corps. In fact, I was, and I say this in humility, I was an honor graduate when I went through the Marine Corps. and it was just, to this day, I still think about, you know, the time that I spent on Paris Island and my time in the fleet. Do you feel like you had, you were fairly disciplined when you were entering, or do you feel like they taught you discipline?

I was a vessel that could be filled with that discipline. So, yes, I was, my dad was incredibly disciplined. My mom, not so much. My mom was almost the opposite. My mom is a very artistic-minded person, not disciplined. My dad extraordinarily disciplined. and shoes in the same place. And I believe that I have a combination of the two of them. So to answer your question,

I believe that I did have some degree of discipline, which made it fairly easy for me to, you know, meld into that, like, you know, mindset. So, yes, and I absolutely loved every minute. It was difficult, but I loved every minute of it. And I was really, really blessed because I was, I put in for embassy duty. I was on a pump on the,

USS Guam, the middle of the Mediterranean. And there was a message that came out that said, we're looking for people going embassy duty. I was a little Lance Corporal. And I put in for embassy duty, and they responded that I could go on embassy duty when I got back to the fleet. And now, embassy duty is where you go to Quantico,

you learn about all the different countries. I mean, it's one of three B-billots. It's either recruiter, drill instructor, or embassy duty. And those are how you really can end up getting promoted through the Marine Corps. And so I was early in the Marine Corps and I got to go on embassy duty. I went to Quanticle. I thrived in Quantical and they sent me to Belgrade, Yugoslavia, as my first post.

And so now obviously it's called Serbia. And you guard the embassy. You learn about all the different types of weapons. You're there to protect the embassy and protect the classified material that's at the embassy as well. Interestingly enough, I got stabbed by Serbian guy while I was there. Crazy, crazy story. because it was a non-fratonization post because earlier we were talking about

the eastern block and how we had these kind of relationships that were cold and Newcastlavia, Serbia was one of the countries that we were not allowed to fraternize with the locals. What year is this?

1988, no, 89. My class was 4.89. So it was starting to crumble. I was in Belgrade when, And the wall came down in Germany. Okay. I was in, I was in Belgrade. Was that 91 when it came down?

No, no, 89. No, the wall came down in, I believe, 1889. Okay. I believe it came down in 89. Yeah. Yeah.

Because the entire collapse was, what, 91 for the Soviet, you, but it didn't matter. These, there was just crap, for years, it was falling apart. It was falling apart for a decade or two before that.

But that's when it was just, they couldn't hide it anymore. I believe it was November of 89. They started having the, the wall came down. Or they call them the flower revolutions or the colored revolutions where all these, they were break, all they just all started breaking apart. And there was just, there's just no way for the, for the Russia to stop it. Was that Petroika?

No, that was that, peristriko was Gorbachev's. That was when Gorbachev's came in and he implemented, which is basically change, you know, where they decided, let's, we're going to open things up. Right. going to make. But of course, as soon as you did that, now you've got the press coming in. People can read what's going on. People can read how bad it is. He starts trying to roll back Stalin's and all of these guys, you know, really the regime stepping on everybody. He tries just kind of, he tried to kind of move it towards, hey, let's kind of start to move toward capitalism. Right. And that's why I was saying Pedestricka was when that the opening up was kind of what allowed the other. Yeah.

They opened it out. It was kind of a comment, like opening or a change. I don't know. I forget what the word the translation is, but yeah, it was kind of like a. And what was glastnosed? Glassnos. I forgot what glass nose was it, but glass nose. I want to say it had something to do about being, like being being, I think that's

openness. That was like the openness. That was like the openness. The other one was change. One was open. Yes. Yes. Either way, it all sounded good.

But for the survivability. of the Eastern Bloc countries to be a part of Russia, you know, they just, they'd been being squeezed for so long. They just were like, I just don't want to go our own way. Yeah, people want to be, people want to be free. They want to be able to say what they want to say and do what they want to do. Sometimes you've got to stab an American to get your point across. Crazy, crazy. What happened? Well, it was, you know, it wasn't, I don't even know that it was that as much as it was that we just couldn't frattenize. We weren't allowed to talk to them. If we had an interaction, we would have to fill out a document.

Right. And it had to go back to the State Department. And it was Christmas Eve. I was with another Marine. And they knew, I mean, I don't look Serbian. Yeah. Well, they knew who we were. And there was another Serbian guy about my age.

And I'm still from New York. As much as I'm, you know, want to be a nice guy. I still have that New York. I mean, and we walked past each other. And he just gave me to Ice Grill. I mean, the ice grill and walked and just boom, shoulder check me. And a shoulder check turned, you know, I'm, I like to consider myself a Christian man and a peaceful man. You weren't going to allow to go.

Even today, it would be hard for me to let something like that go, even at this age. And then it turned into a physical altercation where I ended up getting stabbed. How old were you? 19. And he was roughly around the same age? same age or maybe a year older or something like that. So, I mean, he grew up 20 years under, you know, being told that the Americans were this horrible, horrible people and they want to take it.

You know what I'm saying? Like you can, I can, you know, the shoulder check for a young guy who's, you know, that's what he's probably thinking. Yeah. Too. He probably, he saw you and thought. And it was interesting. I always wondered what it would be like if I were to see him today, you know, like,

I don't harbor any animosity. You probably like, hey, what's? Oh, that was fucked up. I had to get a blood transfusion. My lung collapsed. Oh, it was serious. It wasn't like, yeah. So you went what, so I forgot about the stabbing part.

So it wasn't just a fist fight. He went, so after he stabbed me. Yeah. I understand it. So shoulder check. We go at each other. As we're going at each other, I see him like stepping back, like looking at me like, because he even knew he stabbed me.

I didn't. I just thought he punched me. I thought he hit me on the side. And then I reached around and my whole hand was full of blood and he took off running. We weren't allowed to drive. So they put me inside the other Marine. There was another Marine that was. there, he called for the driver.

They put me in the car, brought me to the embassy. And the detachment commander looks at it. And I remember looking at him, and he's like, get him to the hospital. And I remember that's when I started having the belabored breathing. I got to the hospital. They gave me a chest tube, which to me, I'm going to tell you, I've been tased in training. I've been stabbed. Chest tube is probably, it's probably the worst.

Because, you know, they can't sedate you for a chest tube. chest tube is where they stick that bad boy right in. No, I did not know that. Yeah, chest tube is, I'm telling you right now, chest tube is insanely painful. So I had the chest tube, I stayed in the hospital, got out of the hospital, and went back to going on duty.

I finished out my tour there. I had to do a whole year. I did the whole year there. And obviously lessons to learn, right? There's lessons to learn. And then they said I'd get to go to a good post, which was Caracas, Venezuela. Caracas was really like in the 90s

because this was 1990. I go to Caracas, and it was nice then. This was before Chavez? Yes. Okay. So they had money, they had the oil, that oil money. They had money. It was, I mean, Colombians were trying to get into Venezuela at that time.

I remember going to the beach on Christmas. It was a phenomenal experience. I mean, but as you were a history buff, do you have a degree in history or you have a degree of fine arts? It's pretty much worthless. They had the coup. Right. They had the coup.

And so I was, the end of my post, I might be having to evacuate the Americans, get them to the embassy, staying in the embassy while this whole thing goes on. And that was the failed coup that I was there for. And then shortly after, I went back to battalion and the Marines in Paraguay got in trouble because I was getting ready to get out. I tested for, for Metro, Las Vegas Metro. I tested for it. I got the job. to wait some time before I went to the academy in 92. So I'm in battalion, you know, getting ready to get discharged.

There's the Marines in Paraguay and Asan Sonsione, they're out partying drunk. They flip over a hot dog stand, a lady's hot dog cart. And it turns into this like huge incident because she was like this beloved lady. So the ambassadors pissed, battalion commanders pissed. They want to send new Marines down there. So they knew that I had already done two posts. I was squared away. They were like, hey, will you go down there?

and help get this embassy, this, you know, detachment squared away. So I extend for like nine months before, because I saw time before I went to the academy, they fly me down to Paraguay. They bring a whole, like, new set of Marines, except for the Marines.

The Marines that were in Trump, they did that, they got rid of them. There was like four of them, and the detachment commander, who was actually my detachment commander in Caracas, and he was actually a good dude. I mean,

he was a good dude. I'm not here to speak ill of anybody. That choice, in that situation, I wasn't there for, but they kicked them out. They got rid of all those Marines. So I was one of the Marines. I was a sergeant at the time. I was one of the Marines, and they brought in a new staff sergeant. Yeah, they brought a new staff sergeant to get the embassy straight.

But the, on Paraguaying people were pissed at the Marines, like really pissed because of this incident that happened. So I'm there. We're doing our thing. Within, like, a couple weeks of being there, the Marines that go out on Liberty, I was working, I was sleeping because I had to work day shift. So the graveyard guy who's at post one and I'm sleeping, the Marine, every other Marine goes out and they get jumped and lumped up by like a gang of Paraguayan dudes. I mean, just a typical kind of Marine type of thing. And

the ambassador pissed comes in and says, no more liberty. You go to Post, you go to the Marine House. You go to Post, you go to Marine. So that was basically how almost my entire rest of my time was there, even though I wasn't involved in that situation. Fortunately, I end up going to getting out of the Marine Corps, honorably discharged, and I go to a police academy shortly after that in Las Vegas. And my career began in 1992, the golden age of policing. So in Las Vegas? In Las Vegas.

Okay. Why Las Vegas? That's not New York. Right. So interesting story. So there was a guy who took a liking to me in Caracas. He was an economics officer. I'll leave it at that.

And he was a very, very wise, sharp, squared away guy. And he knew I went to go to law enforcement. And he told me, if you want to be a cop, I suggest you go to Las Vegas because the economy is going to boom. He was 100% right because I got there and the economy boomed. So that's the reason why I ended up testing in Las Vegas. Interesting story about him. I was a sergeant getting ready to, so I'm like 20,

something years into my career, almost 20 years into my career, and I'm working on DTAC, downtown Eric command, and I get a message saying, hey, someone from the Secret Service is here for you. What the heck that they want to talk to me for? And I was on the call, whatever, and they said, okay, well, let me know when you'll be back. So they come back, and I go, and it's this female Secret Service sniper. And another Secret Service person, and it was that guy's daughter. he and I considered him a mentor of mine and she said he knew that I was in Las Vegas

and he just wanted to send a hello and I was so grateful that he still remembered me that I took my badge off and I gave it to her and I said give this bring this back to your dad sharp sharp guy ton of respect for him and so that's another story I guess for that 13 year that may be watching or the guy that the kid that I hope is watching this is that you never know

who can really really be influential in your life so be kind to people and be ready to accept the wisdom, knowledge, or whatever that they can potentially give you because that, but for him telling me that I would not be sitting here right now. So you go to Vegas. Went to Vegas. And you applied. Well, you have the military experience. So, I mean, you're really kind of set up perfectly to go into law enforcement.

And they're starting to what? They're just in a hire. They're starting to hire. They were hiring because they were starting to blow up. Yeah. Starting to blow up. Vegas is getting really, really big. And, I mean, it was perfect timing, 1992.

The Colby doesn't even know that Vegas wasn't always huge. Yeah, Vegas wasn't always huge, Colby. It was, it was born. I was born two years after, so. Oh, 94. Yeah, yeah. My middle daughter. Shout out to my middle daughter.

Oh, shout out to all my daughter. They're awesome. So you, you, what did you want to be when you were signing up? Were you thinking you just, you wanted to be a patrol officer? You wanted to be homicide. you wanted to go into the gang unit. Like some guys go in thinking ultimate, this is my ultimate goal.

You know, some guys are like, I never want to be. That's the people you're getting phone calls at two in the morning, not interested. Good question. I wanted to be a street cop. I always wanted to be.

I used to love the police shows. I used to, I was a dork. I used to like have these books that I would watch police. Because the TV show cops was, was, you know,

pretty big. I was thinking T.J. Hooker. Yeah, well, I remember he threw his PR 24 and tripped. the guy, which never happens.

He would do the famous was the hood slide, Colby. You got to look up the T.J. Hooker hood slide. This is Captain Kirk. He would run and slide across the hood to jump in the car. And he was always doing stuff that most patrolmen don't do. Starskin Hutch used to slide across the hood, too. Did they? Started skin Hutch used to get hutchy and sliding across the hood, too.

I used to love that show as well. I wanted to be a street cop. I just, you know, getting that badge, I can still remember. So interesting, I framed two days ago, I framed the letter. I still have the letter. July 23rd, 1992, I received my letter of acceptance to Las Vegas. Okay. And I just found the letter going through some stuff. In fact, in preparation for this, I found that letter. Put that aside. Yeah. framed it. Nice. So, yeah. So, and, you know, I was able to go to Police Academy, September of 92. And right after Rodney King, it's a wild time.

Nice. It was a good, good feel, good feeling for the police in general. People were really embracing them and feeling like they're a good guy. Yeah, it was interesting because back then it was still very, people were still very kind of, leaned more conservative-minded towards the police. It was nothing like it is now, nothing like it is now. We had a guy that was a police officer just after, or he just started right at the same time as, oh gosh. George, it was after, you're talking about George Floyd guy?

George Floyd, yeah, he was like, fucking horrible. Yeah, horrible people screaming at you all the time. Yeah, nobody wants to talk to you. They all hate your guts. It's like, no, no, no. I wouldn't, I mean, I think policing is an honorable career field, but I wouldn't touch it now. Yeah. Yeah, I would be terrified.

So, I mean, just saying, just, you know, you're, it's because everything you do, I feel like everything you do is then, it is then scrutinize, you know, two months later. by 12 people on what you should have done that weren't there, that weren't full of adrenaline, that don't, you know, it's like that, that, like, you don't know what you would have done. You don't know. You weren't, you know, you're, you're looking back now and seeing it from 100 different angles. I had one angle and this person's coming at me and this person's screaming. And, you know, I always love the people that have never been in a fist fight who were telling you what they would have done. It's like, wait a minute.

Well, you didn't have to this. didn't, well, wait a minute. You have a gun. He didn't. Like, I don't give a shit. If he gets close enough to me, he could have the gun. Do you see what I'm saying? Like, if I don't do something, he could, he's the, you know what I'm saying? Like, if there's a gun involved and I'm the one getting it, you're not getting even close to me. You know, my chances. It's, I'm happy that you have that, you know, way of thinking because it's more broad and it's not just like, it's only one way because it could be a lot of different ways. And, you know, since we brought up George Floyd, I'm happy to basically, you know, kind of just touch on it, just a tad.

bit because I'm critical of that incident because I believe that it should have been handled differently. And I talked about this on Theo Vaughn podcast and there were a lot of people who were like, what are you talking about? Like super pro cop people, but like what are you talking about? He didn't have his knee on his neck. He got bamboozle. He got railroaded. I just say this, right, when it comes to that incident. And it's really simple. I was a field training officer and I was a sergeant. So those were two supervisory positions that I was in. If I was a field training officer and my officer was on solo beat and I rolled up and he had his knee on the guy's back, neck, whatever. And he wasn't moving. I say to my cop buddies, I say, what would you do?

What would you say to him? You're the sergeant. You roll up. What would you say to Chauvin? What are you going to say to him? Hey, you know, stand him up or move him or check him or whatever. You're not just going to sit there like this, right? In spite of the fact that I know that there were people around yelling and screaming, you're going to check the guy. You're going to check the guy. You're going to check the guy. It's just that simple. So I know I catch flag for that, but I don't care if I catch flag for that because I speak to what's right and what's just. Because I guarantee you that if Chauvin got another chance to do it, he would have likely checked them. He wouldn't be sitting in prison right now, right? Or he wouldn't have to go through all the things that he had to go

through. I'm not saying that George Floyd is any type of hero. To me, he's not a respectful human being. He's done a lot of things and he put himself in a bad situation. But We as the professionals have to be better. That could have been handled differently. And I'm not speaking from someone who has no police experience. Now I'll take away off the humility hat. I got 20 plus years of policing and training and hours and hours and hours of training. That could have been handled differently, in my opinion.

And that's all I have to say about that unless you want to talk more. No, I don't have, I don't think. I mean, I've watched the whole video. Yeah. And I've, you know, like it's rough to, watch, I definitely think it could, could have been handled, you know, could have been handled differently. Just check them. Just check them. Yeah. You know. Well, the fact that you had some people in the crowd, like you had a woman who was like, I think she's the nurse. The nurse. Like, you got multiple, he was just,

you know, and I also think that he was, he was probably very nervous, very concerned. You know, I think there's, it's probably, it's probably not as bad as everybody thinks, you know, like, hey, he's trying to choke this or, or he's trying to kill this guy. He wasn't trying to kill him. No, I don't think that. It wasn't as intent. But in some places, it doesn't matter. And Floyd had a whole bunch of drugs on board, which obviously contributed to it. It doesn't help the situation, right?

Yeah. But again, I don't want to have to go home dealing with that crap, right? You know? And I know Chauvin doesn't want to have to go home. Yeah. And in policing, we can be better. That's what I have to say. Let's go back to you, you signed up, you know, LA.

Yeah, you're on patrol. What do you do? Just drive around. Initially, you drive around. You drive around on patrol. You have like a guy that takes you around. At first, you're in field training, and you go to all the different. And back then, there were only three different area commands when I first started.

South, which I called Club South, because that was the strip. They had West, which handled all the Northwest. And then you had Northeast, Northeast, which handled all the Northeast and downtown. So you only had three area commands at the time. And then from there, it just branched out. I mean, I can't even tell you how many air commands that they have now. So you have a field training officer. You go around your field training officer.

Then if you pass your, I forgot how many weeks it is, 20-something weeks of field training, They put you on solo beat where you're still in field training, but you can ride in the car by yourself and they grade you. Your field training officer comes to your calls. And then once you graduate your solo beat, then you're an officer on your own. And then I did that. And then I spent a ton of time on graveyard where you really kind of learn policing.

In Vegas, it was so wild, wild west. I mean, pursuits all the time. Tons of pursuits. You know, I mean, there was a time where I was on graveyard, and I feel embarrassed about doing it, saying this, because I used to love getting in pursuits. But I would be on graveyard to be like 2 o'clock in the morning. I see a car.

I go up to it and I run the plate. It's not reported stolen. But I turn the lights on and see if the person's going to run. And if they don't run, then I would just turn the lights off and go do something else. What's wrong with that? Well, just because it wasn't reported stolen doesn't mean it's not stolen. It just means it's not reported stolen. So that's called chasing and policing.

And that's the phone. Who wants to just chase adrenaline? I mean, that's a super immature way of doing it. In policing, we have a saying that says, take care of the misdemeanors and the felonies will take care of themselves. Right. So if you take care of the misdemeanors,

the felonies will take care of themselves. I gave you a prime example of that. On one graveyard, I see a car, and I'm like, this, Thompson, look, in policing, we have the saying, JDLR. No, JDLR is just don't look right. Okay.

That's JDLR, it's just don't like. And in policing, it's a feeling, it's a hunch, and you kind of like look for it. are these things, especially on, we call it the yard. I see this car and I'm like, something ain't right about this car. So I look for a reason to pull it over. So this is going to be good. We're going to do a little quiz here.

So I look for a reason. So I don't have anything on this car, but I look for a reason to pull it over, right? And then I notice that the license plate light is out on the car. So I conduct a stop on the car because the license plate light is out. Is that legal? Yeah. Colby, is that legal? Can't you?

I'm going to say yeah, because because of the license plate like. Well, yeah, I would think that's an offense that you can pull someone over. No, it is a legitimate offense, but I'm looking for something. I mean, is it okay for me to just come up with a reason to pull them over? Why not? Yeah, why? It's correct. Correct.

No one's above the law. That's correct. This is a Supreme Court ruling. Wren versus U.S. The Supreme Court ruled that the officer's subjective thoughts in their mind, as long as they have a legit reason, to pull them over, you can pull them over. All right. Well, what I thought you were trying to say is like, because like initially when they had the seatbelt law in Florida, a primary, you're talking about primary?

Yeah, like they could see you didn't have your seatbelt on, but there's no reason to pull you over other than that. That's not a good enough reason. Now, if I can pull them over because speeding, I could also give them a ticket for that. Correct. So, but what I was saying is that people were complaining that the police were looking for reasons to pull people over and pulling them over and then finding drugs or whatever in the car and saying that, but the officer was like, you know, my subjective thoughts don't have nothing to do with the fact that I have a legitimate reason. So Ren versus U.S. It's W-H-R-E-N. And everyone should know that law. And that's what was a Supreme Court ruling that really kind of solidified good policing. And, you know, when they had a

whole bunch of the things going on like the BLM and things like that, they were saying that police were using it for race reasons, which, how do you even prove that? Like, how do you know what's subjectively inside the officer's mind, right? I mean, you can't go inside of an officer's mind and say, you did this because that person was like, well, they were speeding. I pulled them off because they're speeding. The fact that they're black is just that an immutable trait that this person has. And that really kind of messed up a lot of things for policing. But the law and the Supreme Court is in law enforcement side when it comes to that. that. So back to my story. So when it comes, I remember before I was turn lights on, they don't

run. I don't have the adrenaline, which was I told you a really immature thing to do. Well, I kind of grew up and I realized it, no, pull the car over, take care of the misdemeanors. So I missed a minute car, stop, license plate light is out. Stop the car. Get, I'm able, I get a consent to search from the guy who was a complete guy was totally tweaked out. In the trunk were about it. What if he says now? Then I wouldn't, I would, there was, well, we'll talk about that law. I'll tell you the story, then I'll tell you,

because there are times when police can search the car, if you have probable cause, you can search without a warrant. You can search a car without a warrant if you have probable cause. Right. So I would have been good if I had PC,

but only to look for the things that the PC arises from. Right. Okay. So go ahead. Sorry, you were saying, you searched the car. He says, yeah, sure, no problem.

He's all tweaked out, right? In the trunk are about 22 handguns. He had just stolen them from the gun show at the convention center. And so I had this major bust because I had this JDLR thought inside of my head and I was able to couple it with a Wren stop and I got a consent. So I'm able to get these 22 guns off the street. And I'm not even sure if it was 22, but I'm just throwing that number out there.

But it was a lot of guns. Right. So to me, that was the real essence of what, you know, Graveyard Patrol is about, like preventing crime by having that JDLLLR. thing that's inside you. I can tell so many situations. There was one time where I drive by 7-Eleven and I saw these three guys walk into the 7-Eleven. I know exactly where

the 7-Elevens. I can still see it in my head right now. They walked in and I parked my car. They didn't see me. I blacked out and I called it out on the radio as a suspicious situation. Now, remember when I told you in the Marine Corps how we got that discipline thing into cadence?

When you're on a squad and you all know each other really well, I could tell by the sound of the voice, the tone and inflection of how my squad members would say things, whether I needed to roll to the call. They could just be calling on a normal car stop. And I could tell by the way they said, called out the car stop,

one, two, three, Adam Baker-David, I'll be in the corner of Las Vegas Boulevard, whatever. I could tell whether I needed to roll to that. And I wouldn't even say it. Or sometimes I would say, control, whatever, I'll be en route. Right. So I see this. I called out the suspicious situation.

All my peeps come. we go and as soon as we get there, there's a guy messing, and the convenience store right by the, because we had slot machines, and they were allowed to smoke back then. There's a guy messing around by the ashtray. You know those ashtrays that you can,

that has a top. Yeah. We search inside there, he had dumped a gun, and they were going to rob the place. And it's just one of those things where the JDRR translates into good policing, and that's why I always love patrol.

And I didn't only do patrol, but I got to do a significant amount of time patrol. And I think that's one of the challenges in policing, which is another thing I wanted to touch on is, one of the things that why policing is not as great as it can be is because the career track in policing is really interesting. What happens is you get people who are this accelerated-minded. I want to be a captain.

I want to do this without learning what it takes to be a really good street cop. because you cannot be, in my opinion, a really fully developed leader unless you understand street policing, because that's the backbone of policing. So you have these people that do a couple years in patrol, then they go to this unit. They do a couple years in that unit. They go to another unit. Then they promote. Then they promote. Then they promote.

And they've only done two years in patrol. Those people, in my opinion, never turned out to be the best of the best of leaders that we have in policing. but I did a significant amount of time in patrol, and all the patrol guys respect the guys who do a significant amount of time in patrol. But after I was able to go to, I was a recruiter for a while, then I worked domestic violence for a while, then I became a negotiator. I worked in community-oriented policing.

I got promoted to sergeant, did my time in patrol as a sergeant on graveyard, and then I retired out of community or into policing. So to do all these different things makes you well-rounded. But having a base in patrol is incredibly important. So can I go back to what if the guy had said no? Okay. So it would be challenging for me to remember if I had PC to search his car or not. And I don't want to make up a story.

Yeah. But for some reason, you felt like... If I had PC to search the car, I would have been able to. But there's other ways around that. Like back then, so this is really- He just gave you consent. He gave me consent, so it's good consent. You're bought and paid for it.

But this is an interesting thing that you just told him about. So back then in Vegas, and I'm not sure if it's still the same, they had a charge called UICS under the influence of control substance, which is a felony, but also driving under the influence, but which is what's interesting is, is driving under the influence of a drug was a misdemeanor, right? So the felony if you're walking down the street, but a misdemeanor if you're driving in a car.

So a person who's a drug recognition expert, which I am, well, I guess my certification is no longer valid, you could do some tests on a person and you could develop enough probable cause to arrest a person for the charge of either driving or, you know, being under the influence walking out street. And I, you know, I thought that that was really a super challenging crime, but I can't remember, you know, if I would have been able to develop PC to be able to search the trunk of the car. He gave me consent, so he was bought and paid for. So what if you walked up and he was like, hey, man, what's going on? What did you pull me over? And you could just smell the, you know, bud, the bud, you know, and he was just, whoa.

And that gave you probable cause and you searched the car and you found the weapons. That would have been good. Perfect. You're still perfectly okay. Because you're saying, I'm searching. you're saying, no, no, I'm searching for, I'm assuming there's got to be in this car, but you come across it. So it was what? It was a good faith search, right?

Yeah. So like anything that's illegal that's there, I'm allowed to grab it. And so it's not like you say, oh, I wasn't looking for that. Yes. Okay. Yes, the Supreme Court already ruled on that. Right. Police can search vehicles without.

So there was, like, the Supreme Court case actually is from a long time ago where the bootleggers, but police were following a car that was too low to the ground. And the police knew that there had to probably be. be some kind of booze inside the vehicle so they were able to search because their exigency there's exigency there right because if you let the vehicle go then they're going to get rid of whatever's inside of it so the supreme court and their infinite wisdom says you got to be able to have an exception under this circumstance because a vehicle is mobile so that's why the police are able to search a vehicle with if they have probable cause but only for that thing right like you were

involved in paper capers i don't know if you guys used the same time we call them paper capers right because you paper capers so like those financial type crap We call them paper capers. We hated dealing with those because it's a ton of paperwork, right? So if I felt that there was PC for a paper caper, I can only look for the things that were related to that type of crime. Okay. Couldn't you just say, I smell this.

I'm searching for this. Are you saying, could you make it up? Yes. I'm sure that someone could probably do that. But, I mean, you'd be placing yourself into an incredibly precarious situation. In policing, we have this thing called the golden handcuffs. It's really interesting because you see so many cops get in trouble for doing stupid crap. The golden handcuffs is the fact that you do something stupid enough to get fired,

then you lose your job and you're not going to be able to get that golden pension. So you're handcuffed to either doing the right thing or staying in that career field. So a person, and I would tell my trainees, think really, really hard before you make the decision to do something stupid. Stay handcuffed to this gold here because you're going to get a nice. paycheck at the end of the rainbow. So back to directly answer your question. Could I have done that possibly? But then a good attorney is going to say, well, let's see what your inventory of their search. Was there any weed? When you did a piss test on him, did he have any weakness system? So where's this, you know, phantom weed from? So that's the challenge because a good attorney is

going to be able to challenge those things and look into, well, you smelled weed. Well, where did this we come from. Did you ever see the Star Chamber? No. With Michael Douglas? No, I didn't see that. I made Jeff watch it the other day. Michael Douglas is a judge,

and he's a new judge, a couple years old, and he's got some of his friends are older judges, right? And he's, these two cops pull up to this van, and they walk over, and you could, listen, the guys in the van are tweaked out of their mind. there. Yeah, what's up? Like, I mean, the guy they had played this part was so amazing at it. I mean, you, he was iced out of his mind. Like, I don't know how. I mean, sweat, everything. And the cops go, the cop, he knows something's wrong. He's looking in the back of the, of the van. He's. JDRR. And, and, and he ends up saying that he smells, you know, green. And, uh, green. And, and, and, and, he ends up saying that he smells, uh, green. Green. And,

They searched the vehicle. They search the vehicle. They find the shoe and blood. And they know there was a missing girl that was found on the side of the highway like the night before. They arrest them. Goes in front of court. The lawyer comes in and says they had no right to search the van. And they're like, so when they go back and forth, back and forth, you know, it was you say in your report, you've,

You smelled, you know, you smelled bud. But the guy, there was no bud. The guy was not on, you know, under the influence of bud. There was no dog. There was no, like, he goes through the whole thing. They're like, you just randomly said, you smelled something. You want to search the van. Then his partner got on the stand.

They were like, did you? He's like, well, I didn't really, my night. Because now he, in foresight, he knows. My partner is full of shit. Oh, right. And he's kind of like, I don't really. I, my, he said he, he said, you know, so it gets thrown out. And so Michael Douglas is completely disgusted with the fact that I just threw out a case where I know these guys were involved

in the murder of this girl. Right. And I had no choice but to throw it out, which, you know, the movie goes off in different directions. And it's, it's, well, he ends up joining. This is what I thought was cool. He joins what they call, I want to say it was called like the Star chamber where it's him and like is it like seven other judges and once a week or once a month a judge will show up and open a file and say Jonathan Breckham was found you know or was was you know and then they read off the case and they say you know I had to let the case go because of this reason I had to throw it out because of this reason or on appeal they drop this somebody was deceased, the witness didn't show up.

We believe this is a reason. He's got a long history. And then they vote on whether or not he's guilty or not. And so when they go around the movie, if he's guilty, they go, okay. And they have a hit man that they somehow communicate with, and he just tracks a guy down and kills him. You know, it's a great movie. It's interesting. You have to see the movie.

Star Chamber. We're going to put the link in the description box. So this brings us something interesting. I had planned on talking about. I don't, I hate cop movies. in cops because this is so good though no it's probably great it's probably great I'm listen I believe you but for cops it's young Michael Douglas it's difficult for us because we we look at things when we're watching cop things and like as simple as a person holding a

fireman not indexing around the fireman we're like that's an actor yeah that's not a real and it's difficult for us to suspend reality because for us everything is about being real and authenticity and for me being a negotiator you know the way that dialogue goals. It's so much about authenticity. And I'm sure that's a phenomenal film. And that in law would be called the fruit of the poison tree or the poison the tree because you get to throw out. If anything after a bad search, it gets suppressed or thrown out. And so then you have no case. So I find it fascinating because I would enjoy that movie to that degree because I would like to look at the little legal elements. And I like to share things like that because I think people should know some

basic elements of the law. So yeah, young Michael Douglas, I mean, I think the young Michael Douglas movie that I liked was a fatal attraction. That was a good way. I want to say this is definitely about, I think this is a little bit earlier. Oh, really? Fatal attraction. No, it might, actually, this may be the exact law.

I right on at the exact same time. Yeah, that was a really good film. Yeah. That was a good film. Yeah, that was it. That was a great film. Yeah. Did you ever see the game?

Did not see that. You didn't see the game? I didn't. Did you see the... No, I don't even talk to. Of course. Of course I've seen any game. I bought the game.

I own the game on my YouTube. I have the movie. It was so good. Anyway, I can't even... I'm not even... It's too long of an explanation, but it's a phenomenal movie with the exception of the very end,

which is slightly unbelievable. But the rest of it's super believable. I mean, to a degree. But yeah, it's a great movie. It's a great movie. Cool. The segue is... We can keep talking about Michael Douglas.

We can just do an hour on Michael Douglas and you can go home. All right. But actually, it reminded me that there's something that segues into from the patrol element, which is the video I sent you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of the officer. So, you know, we didn't talk about this. We didn't talk about this.

That's a perfect segue way. Michael Douglas is never involved in a shooting. So what's the guy's name? Come on. He shot the director or the, he was, he had the weapon. I can picture him too. Baldwin? Baldwin, yeah.

Yeah, that movie was called Rust, something Rust. Yeah. How does that happen every once in a while? A lie. How the fuck does a live round get in every once in a while? I have no, I don't know. And I always felt, thought if I was in a movie. Yeah, Bruce Lee son.

Yeah, Brandon Lee. Yeah. If I was in a scene like that, I would have to check the fire myself before. It's not like it's never happened. Like, this has never happened. I've been on so many calls. I think it has. I've been on horrific calls like that.

I was on a call one time. So this is one of those crazy, crazy calls. I was working Northeast at the time, and it was a really eerie night, eerie, eerie night. And this area is all trail of parks, and it's dark. And some of the streetlights cast a really weird light onto the street. And it was really super quiet, and this area is full of, tweaker, the white stuff that tweakers use.

Yeah, yeah. And you would see just people like, you know, running through different, you know, trailers. And so the call comes out, 9-1-1, brother is screaming into the phone that his brother was just shot as they drove past a convenience store. Now, I know exactly where this convenience store is,

but they're at their house. I'm the first unit to arrive. I get there. I see these two find out their brothers whaling. Like the legit, like when you watch it in a movie, like very few actors can touch this degree of whaling. That's why it's hard for us to watch movies, right?

These dudes are completely distraught. And whaling my mind, I'm freaking out. My brother, and they're pointing to the car. I go over to the car, and I remember in the passenger seat, this weird streetlights casting onto this,

big huge guy and he had this like this um you know how um jean simmons hair is like kind of like weird kind of like half afroish like we're kind of weird kind of curly hair and it's like all forward and and i and i can see that the back of his head is just matted with blood and i check for life and his face looked like a a mask because he was shot in the back of the head So I'm like, you know, waiting for the other units to get there to calm everyone down and, you know, kind of control the scene and everyone else in their mother show up. So I end up talking to the brother and I'm starting to get this like weird feeling from him because there's no like round through the window. Cut to the chase is I end up talking to the one brother and he's behind his brother playing with a gun and shot his brother in the head killed his brother. So in the time that they had driven from where the incident occurred to where they stopped,

they had to formulate this story and he had just killed his brother. So when you talk about how does this happen when you're talking about Baldwin, that's not the only time. It happened so many times. There's something else that I want to share with people. Don't ever play with guns. Don't ever, ever play with guns because these things happen much more frequently than you can imagine. Another one that I went on,

we had a AAA baseball team in Vegas. And I was a new one in the apartment. I speak fluent Spanish. So the guys have me translate for this guy because he was a Dominican dude. He comes back partying with these girls to his apartment, showing off his gun, shoots the girl. I don't like to point to myself. Yeah, yeah.

But he goes through one side, out the other side, and I walk into the apartment, and she's like this as I walk in. I think she was 18 or 19 years old. And he's completely freaked out about his. career and I'm translating through this and these are the things that you see when people play with firearms. Just don't ever do it. Don't show it off. It's supposed to be used for a specific purpose. And so, you know, I guess that that dovetails from your story about playing with guns. Yeah. So the video, the video of the officer. The officer. You know what? So I had that

video because I've had some questions that I wanted to ask you because I really kind of want to learn from you as well. So I'd like to play that video. We'll watch it and then I want to ask you some questions and get some feedback from you and then we can talk about kind of like how that rolls into what's going on in policing right now. Drop the knife. Get your fucking face on. He's threatening people. I need another unit now. Face, shut up.

Shut your fucking mouth. No, no. Put the knife down. Shut up. Put the knife down. Shut up. She's almost crying. Oh, shoot me.

Yeah. Shoot me. I'll put it on the ground. I'll kill you, you stupid little bitch. He's falling me around. I'll fucking slice your fucking crow. That's a female officer. Yeah.

There's a little bit of background. I believe that's Arizona. It was called that a person wanted to take themselves out or was threatening people with it. And it's believed that it was one of those situations where a person wants to please to do it for them. Yeah. So tell me what are your thoughts on that performance? And also, this is a video of a video. that was going around in a lot of circles.

And there was a lot, there were a lot of critiques on it. And I like to look at these videos and get people's oppression of them and then discuss from my perspective. So go ahead. What do you think? I mean, I thought she was extremely patient.

If it had been me, he, he wouldn't have made that. He wouldn't have made it that long. He would have been told to put it down a few times and then that's it. Like, it's obvious, you're not in your mental,

you're not mentally sound. You've got a, like, you know what you're doing? And you think, if you, to me, it's like, you have a weapon. You're coming at an officer who has a gun on you. And you're threatening them. I don't know what the, what the alternative. You know, I don't know what people think.

You could have this. Okay. Greater. Greater. Greater. Greater. Greater. A to F.

Great her? Yeah. Honestly, I would say probably a C because she waited too long. Okay. And she gave, she gave him too many opportunities. It was, she was, it was too, she could have tripped. He could have run off and gone off through some, what if he had, what if he had run through the cars, gotten at some distance, she can't hit him, run towards someone and started,

and started stabbing that person. You had an opportunity. He came at you. He threatened you. You could take him out. You're not removing a patriot here. This guy's mentee is a mental condition. He's coming at you.

He knows what he's doing. Even if he doesn't know what he's doing. I'm sorry. I mean, it's, it's a harsh war. world. That's my, but I have very little patience with these fucking idiots, sorry, I have very little patience with these idiots who want to crack the window this big and slide their, their, their driver's license or tell them, I don't, I don't have to give you that. You're about to turn what could be an $80 ticket or possibly no ticket into you being dragged out of this vehicle,

your vehicle towed, you thrown in prison, you thrown in jail, held there for two or three days until you get bond, having to go to pay $350 to get your car out of the tow. Now you've got resisting, you've got, you know, you've got the ticket that I told you. All excellent points. A thousand dollars and three days in jail. Yes. All excellent points. And I definitely want to speak to that. But you give her a C. I give her a C because to me the moment he started. Fair enough. Fair enough. She could have had an A. You give her. Okay. It's too long. Okay. Too long. And there are a lot of variables if you wait that long. I think we were almost a two minute mark or something like that. I'm not even sure how many times. So I'll tell you, so there are cop circles, right?

And cops are like super chatty as well, you know, that they send a video here and the commentary of this and that and what they did right, what they did wrong, okay? So a couple of things. I have a saying that says let the results be the judge. She wasn't hurt. No one else was hurt. The guy was incapacitated. So did he pass away? You know, I'm not 100%. And I don't think he passed away at that point of that incident. I don't think that he did. I'm not if he's alive right now. Let's talk about some other things. There are a lot of variables, right? So I look at it from field training officer

or from a sergeant's perspective. Yeah, I believe the engagement should have happened a lot sooner, right? Because do you train walking backwards around a vehicle multiple times? Do you train with all these things? You're responsible for where your rounds land. But again, she was able to handle the situation. But it was a bit of a trick question. Because here's what I really want to know.

Do you think that she performed that way because she's a female? You can think about it for a second before you answer. I don't think so. I mean, maybe I think that no, I don't see anything. I could probably make an argument either way, but I would say there's probably, I would say in that situation, I know, I could see a guy giving them just as much, you know, but I don't really have the statistics. Like I don't really know. But I would say no, but I mean, I could be wrong. If you said, oh, no, you're wrong because of this reason, I'd be like, I'm not shocked.

The truth is, I don't know the answer, but I can tell you the comments are so much about all women cops this, women cops that. It's because, I mean. Well, that wasn't physical. I could see physical strength, but that's the, to me, you've got a weapon. You're, you're, that, that's more of a kind of a, a mental situation there than it was anything. I don't see that it was physical. Although I do think that men's mentality is a bit different when it comes to, um, Men and women are different in that regard as well, I believe.

So some people... I've seen some of these guys who have extreme patience with these people. Right. No, and it's very true. And as we build on this conversation, there are some things that I want to touch them. But I just kind of wanted to get a baseline by utilizing that video, right? Because the comment section was just really, really going in on women policing. And there are tons of videos where people send videos about women, cops, and this and that and everything.

And so do you think that women are... as capable as men in policing? No. You don't think they are. No, not physically. I don't. To me, if you had a female officer and a male, I wouldn't put like two female officers together.

And maybe I'm probably just a misogynist. I'm okay with that. You know, but I wouldn't, I've seen the other, I've seen there's several videos out there, which I kept kind of waiting for you to send me. I probably should have sent you one, And there's one where the guy basically, he attacks a female, he takes away her gun. Have you seen her weapon?

Have you seen that one? You know, she's crying and screaming. And it's like, listen, I don't know if we said this on camera before we started, you know, if someone is being aggressive and I'm an officer and I have a weapon and you hear people like, oh, well, the officer had the weapon, he didn't have to do anything. But if this person is close enough to me to get into a scuffle with me, he may end up with the weapon. So for my own safety, and people know this. People act like, they didn't know.

You know. But in policing, we have a thing, and it's this. You know, they say, well, he was unarmed. Well, there's always at least one gun in a gun fight because the officer's gun is always in play, right? Unless it's from a distance, but it's still in play if there's a fight. There's always at least one gun in the fight. And if it's a female officer and I don't look physically, and I'm not like a huge tough guy, right? Like I'm five, six, okay?

But I'm also 185 pounds, which I'm planning on, I'm working on that. Went to the gym today. We woke up at four o'clock. We were there a little after five. Anyway, the point is, is that you could be a six foot tall woman. We could be the same matched. weight-wise, everything, I'm going to get the gun. If I can get a hold of you before you've pulled that out, I'm taking it away from you.

I'm just physically stronger. And I'm not trained. I just 95% of the time I just don't see a woman getting the drop. And she's wearing all that gear. That's a really big conversation that goes on in policing right now. I tell you one of the things. And I think that I've worked with a lot of female cops who are incredibly capable. The physical part is definitely a challenge.

And here's where they did a disservice to women and police. And to this day, in many departments, they still do a disservice to women in policing. And the disservice is making the physical fitness entry tests different for women than it is men. Because the physical fitness test should be the same for both. If you're going to be performing the same duties, you should have the same physical fitness test. And I can tell you, women can be incredibly physically capable. I mean, I work out at a UFC gym. there's some women in there that are super duper on point.

But when you set the standard to be less than what a man has to do, then right from the jump, you're like, well, are they capable? And it's not fair to them. Because if you make the standard the same, there are women who can pass the same physical fitness test as men. So that's my first point. There's another thing that, and I am going to be super careful as I say this because I want to make sure that people take this the right way. have you heard of this project? I think it's called the Initiative 30 by 30. This is the AI overview.

30 by 30 initiative is a national movement in policing aiming to increase the representation of women in police police recruitment classes to 30% by the year 2030. 30% by 2030 in recruiting classes. I'm going to give you a little bit more to it. So it's a collective of academics who came together saying that women get less into less, internal affairs beefs. They have used force less. They get less complaints and said that now we have to

have police departments should have 30% of their academy classes or their staffing 30% females by the year 2030. I don't agree with this. And I tell you why. I believe in merit. I believe that if you start doing quota systems like that, you're going to create incredible challenges and dissension amongst the people. What you're saying is that women on their own are just not capable of reaching the numbers of 30%. Women are capable. I've worked with really on-point females. The standards should be the same. Get rid of the quotas and let people just earn their positions in a meritocracy. That's how I believe it should be. The problem is if they push that agenda, then, and they said, and if they said what you're saying is, hey, we have to make them both be able to have the same standards,

then to meet their agenda, what they'll do is they'll lower the standards for everybody. And now you get a bunch of cops that or people that are being hired that none of them should be cops. Or, you know what I'm saying? None of them would have met the standards from whatever 10 years earlier. So that's a problem. So I see what you're saying. So if you're saying, hey, don't lower the standards. Make these women rise up to the standard.

You probably don't get 30%. You probably get much smaller. You get the people who are supposed to be there. No, I agree. And I was just going to say, even if they could pass it, I don't know that they still end up being on. I can see him being on patrol with a man. Does that make sense? I hear a lot of people say that.

I don't know. I mean, I don't see why. I hear a lot of people say, here's the challenge with that. And I get your point. Remember, I come from old school, a Marine, a hard school, you know, old school hardcore dad, a street cop. I get that. Remember, I was always in the men's locker room. And I hear the stories.

here's the thing. Then I've seen male cops who also should meet a standard, who don't meet a standard. And then what is the proficiency of, is it weapons retention? It is part of the entry-level test that you're going to have to have a firearm on you, double-triple retention holster, and that you're going to have to have 185-pound man come at you, and you're going to have to be engaged by this man, and you're going to have to be able to retain your firearm throughout this three-minute struggle. Should that be part of the entry-level exam?

And maybe, right? Maybe that's what it is. But what I'm saying is the standards should be the same. And I believe that there are women who can meet and handle that standard. It will be rigorous and it will be more challenging than it is for men. But I believe that there are women who can make that standard. And this is a serious conversation in policing. And this 30 by 30 thing, I mean, I looked at the list of people.

In fact, there are two people on the list that I know. Academics, PhD people. And they have absolutely nothing against them. And I think that they can offer some things to policing. But this is probably not one. Yeah, it's a challenge when you have just that group of people who don't know anything about street policing. And they want to create this quota to get females, you know, a 30% number. That's just not the way to get the most qualified people.

Do women, like, are they applying? So that's the other point. I was going to touch on. You're way ahead of the game because I was a recruiter. And I believed in targeted recruiting. Go to places where there are people who wouldn't normally hear about policing. who would be good candidates who you believe can meet all of the elements of policing,

the physical element, the psychological element, and all the academic element, and target a place that has a lot of females. And you'll find females, and you can mentor females who could potentially meet that standard. You know, this actually brings me back to this. So I collect old books, and I collect all kinds of different, really interesting things.

So I brought this to show you, and I sent you an image as well to show it. So I wanted you to look at this. So this is a Marvel Comics magazine. Okay? I happen to have two of these. So we can both look at them at the same time. So this is a Marvel Comics magazine,

and hopefully they're looking at it on the screen as well. So this is the first day of a female cop. What do you see in this? She's kind of a haughty, right? She's got the little brawl. She's a little sexy. She's kind of got... And it's NYPD, right?

It's NYPD. And she's got her boobs hanging out. She's got Clevelidge. Cleavage. Cleavage. She's got cleavage. We've got a crazed, a crazed out Jamaican. In the background?

With dreads behind her. Behind her. That's what I see behind her. And this whole, and so it's a four, they've did four issues. And, you know, there's always a female theme to it. And this is Marvel Comics. And it's not that long ago. I mean, Colby's two years after you were born,

19, 1992. But for us, right? I mean, that's only one generation. I mean, like I said, and back to the thing. So what does that make people think about female cops, right? What is that? If Marvel comic puts that out, you sexualizing it and it creates, again, that weird kind of thought process because men are going to men. And when you have Marvel comics saying that this is cool, then this is cool. And back to the whole academic thing. I'm not against academic thing. I want people to think that I'm against it because my middle daughter is going for her PhD.

my old, well, Christine is going for, my second to oldest, Christine is going for her master's in, in psychology. And, you know, the oldest went to college as well. So I mean, I'm down with school, but when you have a whole list of just nothing but academics, creating this thing, saying that female cops are better at this and better at this and better at this, and this study says that, well, well, well, right? And I can speak to anecdotes as far as the 20 plus years that I've been in policing. And I agree with a lot of what you. you said, but I can tell you that the standard has to be the same. If you want the respect, the standard has to be the same. And that goes with race and everything else. And I'm not a

white dude, but I believe in people should earn their position through merit. And I believe that if you say anything different, then you're saying that I'm not capable. And I'm 100% capable of a person who has blonde hair and blue eyes. I can compete where I can compete. And I want the chance to compete without anyone looking at me like you got this gig just because right that's the whole affirmative action that's you know i don't want anyone to look at me like that don't you don't don't look at me like that you want to compete i'll compete with you right mono i'mano we could go but i was just thinking i'm just i keep saying talking about movies did you ever see back to school with rodney dangerfield did you ever see i saw parts of it i do like rodney danger oh my gosh

So there's, there's a scene where he's in class and business, and he's sitting there. And the professor is explaining that they're going to like, he's like, he's giving a, like, this is how you open a business. Like, let's say you want to open a factory. And he starts explaining, your first union, you have to find this, and then you have to build the factory. You have to do this. And you have to borrow this.

You have to get this. And he's going on and on. He's like, then after this minute, we have the factory. And so as they're talking, Rodney Dangerfield, in the movie, is a super successful businessman, right, with many, many companies. And he's going back to school with his son. Okay. Because he's trying to convince his son to finish college.

And so he kind of snickers and the guy looks at him. And then he's like, do you have something to say? And he goes, you forgot a whole bunch of stuff. He is, first of all, why are you building? Why don't you lease at $12 a foot? How come you don't this? You could take the ride off on a 30-year depreciation of the video. And he's, what about this?

And what about the Teamsters? You have to. And he just, just, you know, it's like, what works in your, in your little college academics isn't exactly how it really works in, you know, when you're in the real world. And he just, he just eviscerates this, this professor just destroys him. I mean, very quickly, and you very quickly realize, like, it's funny because all the kids in class start turning, listening to him taking notes as he's rambling. Because you can so clearly see, like, you're a professor. Like, you know, you graduated, you've got your master's, you went to school, but you've never really held a job. You've never opened a business.

You really don't know any of these things. This is what you've read in some books. Yes. And I've been doing this for 40 years or 30 years, however long. He's probably got to be in a 60s during the movie. I remember them. But it definitely, and whenever I think about academics, you know, trying to tell people how to do things that are already in the process of our, doing there who have like experience beats the ever-living shit out of academics every single

time yes and again you know i think that there is a place for academics in just about every realm but you have to have the the street hands-on experience to really really kind of have the full knowledge of how to make change in an organization got that both um so the females i think that uh you want hot sexy females. I hear you. You want hot, sexy Marvel females in, you know, in limited capacity. And I get it. Like they're taking in, they're, they're in charge of evidence, they're booking guys, fingerprints. I hear you. Taking photos. Like, can you give me a soft, turn your head just to the side and put your, and the perfect mug shot. Like, I hear you. I'm with you, bro. I didn't expect it to go there. But I, I got you. I got you.

And then so I guess then my career after patrol. Like, you know, those hot mugshot of the day, the hot chick mugshot. Like, that's another woman probably taking those pictures. Like, or the male model looking good. That's, that's a chick that took that, that booking photo and then put it out there to the press. But, you know, it's interesting you say that because I believe that people should stay in shape throughout their career. Males and females. I mean, you're talking about the aesthetic look and I know that you're just.

joking around. But do you ever see men cops that are just completely... The big old belly? Yeah. Come on, you're not chasing anybody down. What are you doing? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and why is that allowed? Why is that allowed? You know, for me, the lead person in the organization should always still be able to put on a uniform, get in a black and white, and ride along with someone. You know, interesting story. The sheriff, oh, this brings up something else that I wanted to talk to you about. The sheriff, which is the head of the organization from my former organization in Las Vegas. There was a sheriff, super sharp guy.

On Christmas Day, or Christmas Eve, one of the two, every year he would go and put on a uniform and ride with an officer. And one year he rode with me. And he was actually really good friends with the guy from the cop TV show, and that's how come I ended up on that show all the times, and I ended up on that show. And I rode with the sheriff for an entire shift, and he was just a really, really good dude.

And I have a ton of respect for him. and he hooked me out with the cop show, and he just always, like, kind of gave me a shout out throughout my career. But to the point of, you know, looking good in uniform, being in shape, no matter what age you are. I mean, you obviously stay in shape. You talked about going to the gym.

I stay in shape for a couple of reasons. But one of those reasons is because I'm a parent. Even though my children are adults, I still want to be in a position that if my daughter calls me or my son calls me and says, dad, I got this situation. Come help me. Every man who is a parent should be capable of doing that.

Financially, you should be able to get to where you have to go to be able to protect your child. Physically, you should be able to, if I'm in a mall and someone is rude or disrespectful to one of my children, they should feel comfortable that their dad, even though my children, and one of my daughters is married. So her husband's going to be able to take care of that. But they, well, two of my daughters are married, forgive me. and but they should be able to have a male that is ready to step up for them and I want to be that person as long as I'm alive and I want to give them knowledge and I want to give them wisdom so I guess that that's to your point of you know the you're saying a hot good looking one it's to me it's about being in shape I remember I was teaching at a police department I because I taught in a police academy for some other police departments and I remember they had they got a chief female chief and um not a knock on I don't know know her really well, but I remember seeing a news story about her, and she was in uniform, and she just did not look right in uniform, just not in shape.

It doesn't look like what you want your leader to be. And to me, that's not me being mean. That's saying you're representing your organization, be in shape so that you represent that uniform properly. And that comes from me being in the Marine Corps. You know, Marines are known for looking right in their uniform. So she was a big in? I mean, she was definitely not what you would expect or want to see, show up to chase someone down, right?

You know, and sometimes that comes with age. And this is me attempting to be as nice as I possibly can. But I pray that I never get into shape like that. You know, it's important to stay in shape. Listen, listen, my mind, that's why when you're talking, I start grinning, like when you're like talking about being the guy and you want to be there in case somebody says something, my first thought was the scene from town when, Ben Affleck walks in to the other guy and says, I need your help. We're going to go somewhere.

We're going to hurt some people. And you can never ask me about it. And the guy goes, whose car we're going to take? He just doesn't even. But that one, I was thinking, there's a woman. There's a TikTok that's out where it's a female cop. And there's a guy with her. There are a bunch of guys standing around.

And he's like, you're telling me, you're going to be able to outrun me. She's like, I'm telling you right now. I can't, absolutely. You're not going to outrun me. Absolutely. And he's like, okay, she's like, you ready? And they're about to go running.

You've seen this. They're about to run. They're about to run. And all of a sudden they're like, okay, go. And he starts running. She stops. She goes, I got to, she goes, I have a black male six foot tall. And everybody roars laughing.

Nice. Nice. Yeah, you can beat me in a race, but you can't beat the radio. You're right. Yeah, no, that's on point, man. And that's why, again, I say that, you know, they are capable females who can do it, who can do the job.

But you know, you brought me to another point that I wanted to talk about was protecting your child, right? Pimps, right? The whole pimp culture. Yeah, by the way, it's not, it's not, it's not being pimps. Now it's human trafficking.

Human trafficking. We can't say that. I don't say that word. Yeah. No, what? No, you can't. I'll unmute that. He's going to mute all.

Listen, no, I'm saying it's funny because when I was growing up, it was the whole pimps. But now they're, they're always charged with human trafficking, which sounds. Can you say that word? So much worse. No. And I've met guys.

You can't say human trafficking either? Yeah, like the- You probably say trafficking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He'll remove them. Okay. They'll get the gist. But yeah, like, I mean, now these guys get charged, where before it was like, it was a

joke charge. Like, it wasn't a big deal charge. It went in the 70s and 80s and maybe the night, now when these guys get charged, they're getting 20 years. Oh, yeah, no, it's 100%. In fact, in my book, um, the, last book that I wrote Police IQ, I had a person who did handled women in that manner. Yeah. Right the forward. Oh, okay. He wrote the forward for it. And because, and we're from two

different sides. But again, to me, that culture, which is celebrated in rap culture, right? It's celebrated that whole, you know. Um, I always think about like if one of those people were to approach my daughter, you know, especially. when they were younger. Like now they totally know how to handle it. And then when they were younger, I believe they would have been capable of handling them, you know,

a person who, you know, traffics women how my daughter would handle a situation. But I know that I would definitely be confident that they would know how to shut them down. And if not, I want to make sure that I'm 100% prepared to deal with them stepping to my daughter because that's just completely unacceptable. And that's why I think that that culture is so pervasive because there are not men to step in between the daughter.

And maybe that's a commentary on fathers, right? I guess that culture exposes a father's weaknesses because there are some good fathers whose daughters fall into that, right? Yeah, but that's that's rare. Right. It's rare. And, you know, not to paint a broad brush over, you know, a whole. whole group of people. I never really like to do that. So I imagine there are a few fathers, but I guess when I think about it, it exposes the weaknesses in a father's game or their

relationship with their daughter, right? And that's a sad commentary. Because, and I think about the vulnerable people that I've dealt with in my life, it's always been, you know, women, elderly, and children. And when I think of those stories, PTSD for a police officer and for a military person is very, very different. Because you can reconcile, a therapist can reconcile with a person who has PTSD of something that's never going to happen again. In policing, we know that the boogeyman never, ever goes away. The boogeyman that we have seen is always there.

Just because we put that one in jail, there's another one that exists somewhere. The person that's left, you know, Afghanistan or, you know, Kosovo or wherever, they're not there anymore. But the guy who is looking inside a woman's window and you're arrested, you know, and he had pictures of, you know, kids, that person, just because you put that one in jail, you know that there are 20 others that exists. So the PTSD that a police officer experience is very, very different. you know, the one thing that I, if you were to see my primary home, it's like a fortress with the cameras and everything that's around my home. And the ability for a person to breach and come inside my home would be very, very difficult. But I'm in jail.

Right. I'm in jail. It would be nice to live in a blissful experience where I don't feel like I have to do that. But it's not easy to sleep when you've seen. the things that I've seen. And it's just not me. I mean, there are, what, 800,000 police officers currently. Just think about how many millions have been through and seeing the different things and all the boogiemen's that are outside that still exist. And you think about your kids. Have you ever, you ever watched the suffering podcast? I've not. No, do you know what it is?

I don't. There's a guy named Kevin Donaldson and Mike is his co-host. Yeah, co-host. So they had both been they started this suffering podcast, right? They both retired with stress disability. Maybe I'm saying it wrong. I'm not sure what it. From policing? Yeah, from policing. And so one of them, so Kevin was in, anyway, he was in a shooting where he actually had gone

into the house and the guy literally at one point had taken it. I think he took his weapon and fired. And I mean, like the bullets are going right by him. I mean, he was like just, you know. Anyway, that guy ends up, you know, dying. And I'm always positive that he ends up dead. And then Kevin so flipped out by it and so it's so traumatizing him. He ends up taking a stress disability retirement.

Well, he ends up meeting Mike, who Mike was, they were in a car chase. I think he was a sheriff, and they were in a car chase, and they eventually get jammed. He and the other car end up getting jammed together, and they end up firing because the guy is trying to drive the car, move the car, and trying to hit him, something along those lines, and he ends up firing that and killing the guy.

And that, obviously, you know, that upset him also. And so he ends up taking stress to those disability. They ended up starting the, because both them are having, they're both thinking about self-harm. So it becomes a, a problem for them, right? With their, not just, not just that thought process, but with their families. Like Mike, sorry, Kevin has several examples where he's snapping, he's becoming violent, he's just, you know, jittery, the whole thing.

They end up retiring. They start, that's what's called the, um, it, uh, the, uh, the, the podcast. Suffering, suffering, sorry, the suffering podcast. They're going around starting this podcast. They're going on other podcasts. They go on my podcast, right? Because they both have law enforcement experience. We get to talk about criminals and chases and stuff like that.

Okay, cool. They come on. We're having a good talk. We talked for whatever an hour or two. Everything's great. Mike's great. They go on for another year, year and a half. And everything's amazing.

And they bring on other officers to talk. about their experiences, but just in general also officers about their experience, not just about maybe having PTSD, but maybe in general, just, you know, the stress of the job, whatever. It's just kind of a law enforcement thing. And Kevin's one day, you know, they shoot the podcast and Mike goes home and everything's great and he's laughing and everything's great and he goes home and he goes home and he goes. And I mean, when I talk to Kevin, he was just like, We're laughing on the phone. We got plans.

You know what I'm saying? Like we have plans. Like in that moment, like he's planning. What time's the next one? We got so-and-so coming in. Got to do this with my kid. Such and such is happening. Have you watched that series?

Oh my gosh. So-and-so's playing. This is great. Yeah, yeah. Just. And it's one of those things where you're like, you're planning for next month, next week. You've got kids.

What? Chills, man. What in that 48 hours, 2448? What happened? Mentally, what took you from, I have plans to I can't be here anymore? How fucking horrific is your mental state have to be or for you to go under to have that switch? like something horrible happened. And by the way, prior to this, I'm just let you know, because sometimes these guys do the stress disability, and I feel like, come on, bro.

Come on. I was going to talk about that. You know what I'm saying? Like, come on, man, stop it. You're sometimes, and I know that I know of a case where several guys took stress disability, not because anything was wrong, but really they were, there was corruption going on.

There was a whole thing. And what they did was they said, the department kind of goes to them and says, listen, like, you guys have been in it. They've been there almost past their retirement or up to the return close to it. And they say, because if you take a stress disability, you can't be called to testify. So these guys. And the department kind of knows that. This was actually in L.A., by the way. They take a stress disability, a retirement.

And we're talking about, we're talking about like one guy out of these group of guys. We're talking about two or three of the guys take it. Like, you're all under investigation. You all take stress disability so that it shuts the entire investigation down. As a police officer, you have to answer all these questions. You can't say, you know what I mean? Like you on a case, right? So they can't question them now.

They can say, oh, I have a stress disability. I'm not going to participate. You don't have to participate in all of these things. And so sometimes I think about that, like something will happen. And an officer will be like, oh, it's a perfect opportunity for me to, I can take a stress disability, and I get a portion of my pension, I can now start doing something else, you know, whatever the case may be. And I, I don't know, it's always in the back of my head, but the thing with Mike, when the thing

with Mike happened, it was just like, because these guys are so, you know, so funny and nice and joking. And these two guys were just like, you could just tell, they just were silly and joking with each other, just like best buddies. And there was just nothing that indicated. And of course, I went close with them in an hour and a half out, two hour podcast. How much can you learn about someone in two hours? But the fact that when it happened and when I talked to Kevin about it, it was just like he, he talks to this guy.

This guy is like his best friend. He talks to him all the time. Never saw it coming. Never. That is a, that's a scary thing. But it's in policing that taking yourself out. Well, it's, what is it? you know, it's 90, was it 90% doing, you know, of complete boredom and then five or 10% of just

extreme adrenaline, you know, and, and. Right. It's a very, very interesting experience. But I did the numbers of police, you know, doing themselves is, is very, very high. Right. It's much higher than in, in society. And when you said that story to me, I was initially thinking about all the stress retirement type thing.

and I was in my mind. And then you said he really did it. Which leads me to, because the police are committed to something, they a lot of times will follow through. So I sent you an audio of a lieutenant of mine, and we'll play the audio, and then we'll talk about it. 911, what's the address of your emergency?

And what's the problem? Tell me exactly what happened. My name is Hans Walters. I worked for Las Vegas, much part of police department. I just shot and killed my son Max and my wife, Michelle, and I killed her because she's in such chronic pain from her neck and back and on more medicines than she's not going to survive. And we were both seeing therapists and psychologists and I feel terrible for doing it. Okay.

And you... Please don't interrupt me, please. Okay. I've also set the house on fire, and if the fire department comes to my house, there's a fire hydrant right in front of my house, I'm going to open fire on them. So I have to wait until the house is barking, and then I'm going to ask myself, okay?

So I don't ask me any question. This is real. This isn't a joke. The fire alarms in the background is because I set the garage in the garage in the bedroom my wife's in the bedroom my son unfortunately is a more than you are watching

as well and I do and uh forgive me from my sins please don't call back thank you that was my lieutenant I did not know that when I heard it the first time I were my lieutenant and uh so I'll tell you

did anybody see that coming? It's difficult no no one of the most care about squad members matter of fact fair fair

when he would his wife and his son were everything when he would take time off and he would always and I was the senior officer or sergeant at the time and he would have me do the lieutenant paperwork and stuff like that always very matter of fact and he would take time off

to make sure he was taking care of his wife and his son. He would always talk about that. That was all he ever talked about. And he always used to say, please and thank you. He always say, all right, please and thank you. You know, very matter of fact, all my evaluations that he wrote for me, super fair, super just really engaged. It was such a shock to me, such a shock to me that he did that.

But it makes you realize, right? what a person's mindset is. And I've come in my career to find that there are some men who will, don't want anyone else to raise their kids. And obviously I'm just speculating, right? Because he said that his wife, she was on the department too at one time.

If you figure it was going to be, you know, the couple does it because they don't want to go on without each other. But then the kid? Yeah, I was going to say. But I've had other situations that I've been on where I and I, a negotiation, that I listened to from my team

where a guy did his whole family, Blackburn, his whole family. He said, no one else is going to raise my kids. Blackburn, not Hans, but the guy Blackburn who robbed the money from, he robbed an underground vault, a bank vault.

And my team got the call out for that negotiation. And he, during the negotiation, he was like, no one, I don't want to see my kids through a plexiglass and I don't want, and no one's going to raise my kids. That's a kind of talk that he had. So it made me have the understanding that there are some men that don't want anyone else to raise their kids. And I can't, you know, I have to walk very carefully because this is his sacred ground because I don't know why he did it.

Right. But you get to speculate in your own mind as to why someone would do something like that. And hopefully then another family member or someone that you know if they're experiencing some kind of trauma or whatever. Because she was in bad pain. I mean, he was taking a lot of time off to help her. Okay. So you can kind of say, okay, you know, almost a. kind of an assisted, you know.

Situation to take the, yeah, to go to the other place. There's a famous case, which was on America's Most Wanner where there was a guy who, I forget what they call that. There's a name of these guys that will, that will off their whole families.

And they, there's, so there was one where the guy comes home and he basically does, like, he's got like three kids or four. kids and his wife and his mother. They all live in the house.

And it was because he had lost his job and couldn't find another one. And they were going to lose the house, something along those lines. And he realized that it was going to break apart the family and that he didn't know how to, how to handle it. And he just does everybody. And then he relocates, meets another, meets another woman and relocates like across the country. gets another job that, of course, it's not hard to support himself. This was back in like the 60s. I think I remember the story.

And he got a new name. But this is a completely different type of situation, right? Because this is a person. But there's a name of a person, the type of person that does that because they can't imagine their family going on without them. Right. Right. And, you know, in this situation, one of the points that I think that is important that can

actually be helpful to other people is, you never know. just like you were talking about this guy with the podcast. You never know what a person is going through in their own life. And even if you know to some degree, how bad is it really for them? I mean, there are people that take it to that extreme. But I mean, that's just, I hear what you say you don't know, which isn't helpful at all because you don't know. Like, what can you do?

But you could be kind to people. Right. But the people that were around, it's not like, hey, my wife and I've been going through. Like in this, in your guy's case, Hans's case, you could at least know, hey, his, you can't foresee the son or that event, you can at least see that he's going through a tremendous amount of stress. But police are notorious for not wanting people to be.

And police and military, we're notorious for not wanting in people that you've been around, because you're around tough guys too, and it's about not showing vulnerability and weakness. The point to me is you've got to be kind to people. You go with someone, and you walk into a grocery store and someone, you know, is not paying attention and bumps into your steps on your foot

or it's not paying attention and inadvertently. And then the first thing that people want to do is jump at them and be rude and be whatever. And you know, the saying, and I think it was Aristotle, I believe it was Aristotle,

or Plato said, be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a very hard battle. You don't know what a person is going through in life. And you could be the tipping point by saying something to them. And I'm not seeing be a doormat. I'm not saying be a dormant,

but just no. And you can even reconcile those feelings inside yourself when someone does something to you that's rude, cuts you off or whatever. You know what I do a lot of times? I say, you know what? They got to get home because they found out

that their kid just got expelled from school. Right. You know, that's one thing that I do. Another thing I do is I align the driver with a similarly aged family member. So if I see a 22-year-old

person driving like an idiot, I say my son's name, I say stop driving like that. And I look at it because my son may do something like that or an old person cuts across three lanes. Instead of freaking out, I say my dad probably did that at some point. So, and I understand what you're saying, right? But to me, it's that our journey to become our best people is to cut people some slack and realize they're going through some crap.

You know, I'm sure that you and your life have gone through some crap. When you go through that one person's wrong move can set you over the edge to do something that you really, really didn't need to do. Yeah. Well, I was going to say, I, yeah, I agree with you. But my, after going to prison and getting out of prison, you know, the things that seem so, so serious and such, like such a big deal now seems so, so minor, you know, the cutting off in traffic, the, you know, the, the car accident, the, you know, the, you know, the, you know, Um, you know, it's like, that's like, these are minor things. You're not the typical, to me, you're not the typical person who's committed a felony.

I mean, it was a crime that took a degree of intelligence. It took a degree of thinking through a process. I mean, and that translates into the rest of your life. I mean, that's why you're sitting here and you're able to monetize and capitalize on what you did before. That's always exists inside you and it always will. You'll never be poor. It's so funny how many people in prison had that when I was like, I don't know what I'm doing when I get out. I don't know what I'm going to do.

And then people were like, oh, bro, you'll always make money. I'm like, what do you talk? Like they would see that in you and I always go like, what are you talking about, bro? Have somebody Google my name? I'm a scumbag. Like, nobody's hiring me. Like, that's never going to. They're like, nah, I got like you.

A guy like me, but I didn't see that. Everybody else saw it. Yes. I didn't see it. I saw when we were eating lunch. I yeah it's it's funny but back to the the when you were talking about mental like you don't know what the mental issues are I'll give you one that's that's funny it's funny now because we're married is like my wife the whole time we were dating she's breaking up with me every few months she's breaking up with me every time I started doing better like there would be a hurdle and I would be doing even better and the numbers are coming out better I'm getting a job with, you know, this, you know, I'm being flown into Amsterdam to do a TV series or I'm doing this and, hey, I'm getting, I'm going to do a speaking engagement. They're going to pay me this much

money. Like everything, like great thing. Every time one of those would happen, she breaks up. And to this day doesn't make sense to me because I don't have this, I don't have this wall. But in her mind, and she said it, it took her a while to say it, but eventually she said it, which was, you're going to realize at some point, you can do better than me. And I couldn't, like, to me, it's like, okay, if I saw a supermodel that was worth $20 million and she's out of my league and filthy rich and can, she's got a master's degree and she's brilliant and she's, I'm still going to try for it, right? Like, I'm not thinking she's going to figure out she can be dating George Clooney.

I'm thinking I'm going for this, right? Like if I'm single, you know, and you're in the market. But for her, it was like, no, that's just a setup for, for heartbreak. I better walk away now. That's just because that's how we were raised very, we have very different personality, raised very differently. But in her mind, she's suffering through something that I can't even conceive of. Like this guy, Mike, he's going through something that shared like just nobody around.

him new. Nobody. You're, like you said, you're, you're a lieutenant? Yeah, it was my lieutenant. Like, you're still many of all these people. You work with them every day. Everything, you know, like how, like, I get it. You're saying, you know, be kind and everything. But, God, you would think you would hope that there was a sign, you know, that something and.

Yeah. But people are such scumbags to each other, too. We are. And we are. You know, I mean, there's a saying that says, all men are hypocrite. Most men deny it. I myself admit it. The hypocrisy that exists in a human is so interesting.

And every day, it's a journey in a battle to just become the best Christopher that I can possibly be. And I'm waxing all poetic and philosophical, but the truth of the matter is that's how I truly want, that's not want. That's how I truly shall live the rest of my life is to be the best I can be in spite of the challenges that I have. Because there's so much that it goes on inside this head. so many things that I have seen, so many nightmares that will continue to ring back into my head. It's just, I don't know that the human psyche was meant to do 20 plus years in law enforcement. I always have this thing. You go to work as a police officer. Hello, control. Give me a conflict. You go to that conflict.

Control, I'm done with that conflict. Give me another conflict. You go to that conflict. You finish all the conflicts for the day, and then you go home and deal with your own. conflict. Rinse, wash, repeat, or wash, rinse, repeat, whatever that's saying is. That's what policing is. And how can one consider themselves even sane when you're so used to every day just looking for and expecting conflict? I don't know how, you know, some people deal with it.

But for me, it was through a lot of being around some good people, prayer, philosophy. and having outlets and doing other things. I was always different. I was always into doing something different. And those were the things that really, really helped me get through the challenges of that career field. In fact, that kind of leads us into another audio that I sent you. And in this story, I think about weekly,

because it was so incredibly dramatic in so many ways, newsworthy story. I can set it up for you and then we can play the audio if you like. So in policing, when you hear dispatch call out a call, I was a sergeant at the time. I don't have to go to every call, but I know the calls that I should go to.

And this was a call that when it came out, I knew I should go to the call. So the call comes out that a woman is on the phone with her very close friend. As they're talking, she hears a male and she hears a struggle, and then the phone goes dead. I know the exact area where this is. The dispatcher dispatches two officers to this call.

Being a sergeant, knowing that this is a call I should go to, I self-dispatch and say control, put me in route. I go to the call, and it's one of those apartment communities where you have the levels like this, and there's apartment, apartment, apartment, apartment, apartment, apartment, apartment, apartment, it's like, I think it's two or three stories. I can't remember. But you have a apartment, apartment, then you have one apartment here.

I park my car in the parking lot. and I look it up and I see my officers walking across to the apartment and they get in this apartment is one of it's the one that's facing straight as they walk across the little gangway. So my officers, as I see them get to the thing, I see the door open and I see the officers draw and on the radio and I hear the radio and I see them in motion. Control 413, 413 subject has a 413. So 413 is a firearm and the subject who we come to find out. is named Michael Chevalier has the female with his arm around her and he is telling the officers to get away.

So my officers back, track fall backwards, back, take up a position. Everyone takes up a position at my vehicle. I pull a dry eraser out of my car and I start setting my officers up because everyone in their mother is now showing up. I start setting my officers up in the different positions on the white,

you know, because it's a white top on it. So I use a dry race, black dry race. One of my officers says to me, hey, there's a pizzeria right over here. So one of my officer says, sorry, I'm taking my rifle. I'll go over there to the pizzeria. If he comes out, I'll engage him so that great lesson.

If one of your subordinates has a really good idea, be very quick to listen because you can learn from them. Just because there's subordinate, it doesn't mean that they have, your ideas are better than theirs. I would instantly tell him, go AP, go for it. AP goes to the pizzeria. as soon as AP gets to the pizzeria

and then if you're setting this position up Chevalier comes out and starts shooting towards us we go down and AP engages Chevalier at the doorway boom boom boom boom boom boom boom and we hear a silence and just pandemonium

and I'm like everyone's down and we had the phone number so I tell dispatcher I'm going to I'm calling into the residence because I said if I'm called this guy he can't shoot at us. So I call in and fortunately, Chivalier answers the phone. Now, mind you, I am a trained negotiator.

I wasn't on the team at the time, but I'm a trained negotiator. I was trained in crisis intervention. So it was ideal that I was there on this call to be able to talk to this man. I sent you some audio. Right. I'd like to play the audio. And I would like to discuss with you something so you can understand the nuances of language and how policing works.

in this type of high critical situation. And again, why it's difficult for us to watch movies and TV shows because it's so far off from what the real thing is. And I know you do, and I remember that you said that if you get back on the phone with me that you and I can work this out, can we hit it? Don't be unharmed. What you're talking about? And that peaceful agreement is the route that we got to go, man.

Can I tell you what's happening? Listen, I, that's absolutely fine. Listen to me, let me just tell you what's going on. Remember before I. Remember my member before? Michael. Okay, so let me give you some more for that. This is where the story gets even more interesting.

So he had the female inside, and he was looking out of the window as SWAT is setting up. So there's two elements, there's a negotiation team, because negotiators had arrived, and I stayed on as the primary, so the negotiators were there and we were working as an element. Then you have the SWAT team who is prepared to go and tactically enter, and that's what their preparations are for. a decision is made by a SWAT commander on if you should go to what's called condition two, which means it's my job to talk the guy in front of a window so that the sniper can kill him. So imagine that you're at work today and your job at this point is to convince a person to walk in front of a window so they can be taken out. where your mind goes in those kinds of situations is a lot of different places because as a

negotiator you feel like you want to try to talk the person out yet you're selling them some stuff because essentially you're just talking them in front of the window right in this case michael never went in front and back in front of the window so swat made the decision and mind you i'm condensing this because this was 12 hours of yeah can i ask a question who is this woman you never? So she was just a lady who was in her apartment and Chivalier saw her door. And he just went in the apartment. And he just went inside an apartment.

I didn't know if it was a relationship. No relationship. Forgive me. Forgive me for skipping that. But yeah, this was a woman. Remember, I talked about the boogeyman, right? Just force his way in. So force his way in, force his way into her place.

And so, you know, you see this thing. Who do you think about instantly? Your family, right? Think about your family. And interestingly, and I believe that she was. actually standing right by her door, because it was nice outside. She was standing right by the front by her door, and he came and pushed her in and then did what he ended up doing,

which was some horrific things, which was the reason why it was decided to do what the police department ended up doing. So, and you listen to language. You listen to the things that they're saying, like just little inflections or words that they say or don't say that make you know. Because there were some things that he said, and we're like, we got to go.

So ultimately, there's an explosive device placed, blow, breach, right. And take him out while he's laying right there. So shot, this person is taken out while the female is right there. Okay. In her bed. Okay. In her bed.

When you talk about when a person goes through PTSD, like people complain about this at work or whatever, and you think about what this young lady had to go through. Now, interestingly, it was found out through further investigation that his DNA came up on another female at another assault of a female and some apartments that were miles and miles away. So when I say to you that the evil that exists in this world

and the things that you have to see throughout a 20-plus-year career, it's mind-boggling that not more people in law enforcement that don't have mental health challenges. It's an incredibly challenging career to go through. And the way that you have to transition and do other things, you have to do other things. And that was one of the blessings that I had also.

Aside from my spiritual stuff, the fact that I was involved in so many other things, that I was able to kind of switch that off, although I always do keep my guard up. Always keep my guard up. I mean, always keep my guard up. Do you see what it was?

Was it a scar? No, no, he's got, it's an eye on the back of his head. Oh, yeah. It's just, and you know, in the ability to trust, you know, I have, you know, I, shout out to my, ex-wife for putting up with me because I'm not an easy, I don't like to go to places where there are a lot of people. You know, I'm socially awkward in a lot of places just like most police are. And it's a difficult way to exist. It's a difficult way to exist. And that's

not an excuse for people's police bad behavior. It's just a truth. Just a truth. And Chivalier is no longer around. You didn't expect that was what it was. No, I just assumed it's a domestic violence thing that had gone wrong, that this, you know, not the, which really is kind of the, the bogeyman type of thing where it's like, you know, it's like a horror movie where somebody's just walking along. They're just, they're just minding their own business. And the bad guy decides to come after them or haunt them or stalk them.

and there's like, I have no idea what's happening. Like, just decided. And, you know, back to the thing, I went to Vegas from someone's back, and my daughter picked me up. And when I'm there, every street that I ever handled a call on flashes me back. So I remember. All good memories. Yeah, all great memories.

So I remember, we were driving back from an airport, and we drove by this apartment community. and I tell my daughter, I'm like, right there, I was on graveyard, and there was a pizza delivery guy, young kid, super young, and his girlfriend went on the last call with him because they were going to go out afterwards. And as he goes to bring the pizza, some guys come out, jack them, light him up, 419 is our code for a person who's no longer with us. Right.

419 right there. And the girl's, the girlfriend's looking at me, she's like, wake him up. Wake him up. I can still see that girl telling me to wake him. And see, that's why the movie thing is difficult for me, because I see a person that's supposed to be 419 in a movie. They don't look 419. They look like an actor with makeup on.

And so it's difficult for me to suspend the reality. of knowing what that thing really looks like. You know, you think about the weirdest things because you go on so many 419 calls, because it's a rookie cop, you've got to go on those, right? And any cop has to go on those, and you have to wait there until the coroner gets there. And then you sit there with this corpse,

and you're like, looking at them, you're like, that they know that that was the last time they were going to put their shoes on. They know that this cop was going to be sitting, the stranger is going to be sitting inside their house. I was on one guy wrapped a neck, did himself.

And I arrived, one of my buddies on my squad was there and he was playing with the guy's little video poker game machine while the guy was just laying there 419. And I'm like, and then I was like,

I know why he's doing that. Because that's his only way of reconciling sitting inside this room with this person who is, you know, to go around, to be around that much death sometimes, for some people is really, really difficult. You have to detach yourself from the feelings just enough that you don't lose your humanity. Because losing your humanity is the worst part. That is the worst possible part of policing is to lose your humanity. Because then how do you merge with your family? You know, how do I, you know, actualize the relationship

with my children, if I lose my humanity, and I'm glad that I didn't. I talk to my kids all the time, whether it's text or whatever, I communicate with them all the time. And I would absolutely steer them away from a career in law enforcement. It's not an easy thing to do. You mentioned that the lose your humanity. It's funny because the only other person I've seen who's said that, we did a podcast with a guy who, the drug dealer. and had a childhood friend who was also selling drugs and actually lived like he had was at a stash house and didn't realize his buddy's apartment was like right across the street he was like and they saw each other one day it's like oh my god hey what's up man so his buddy comes over one time he's he's come over a couple times you know and his buddy comes over like with his girlfriend one time is him a couple of guys his buddy the girlfriend this is where they've got their drugs there's money they all have weapons And so his buddy calls up and he's trying to get him to go to like the movies or something. And he's like, no, why don't you come over here?

We'll hang out. We'll watch a movie. So he's like, uh, finally he's like, okay. So he comes over. And his buddy goes into the bathroom. And he happens to be walking to the bedroom and he can hear his buddy on the phone. And he's like, why would you make a call from the bathroom? So he listens and he hears his buddy.

basically talking to a couple of guys setting them up, that he's setting them up. Like these guys are supposed to come in and they are supposed to rob them, put him on the ground, make sure you make it look like, you know, hey, these guys, he's like, and by the way, they've got, they've got drugs, they got money, but they are also armed, so come in heavy. Tells him the whole thing. But the guy opens the door, he stands and he's like, oh, hey, what's up? Like, hey, man, let me talk to you here in the bedroom for a minute. They go in the bedroom and he beats the hell out of the guy to the point where he's on his knees begging for his life.

And then he tells him, he says, listen, I'm going to let you say a prayer. Something along the line, doesn't he? He said the guy starts to say a prayer and he shoots him in the head. I might have a little be off or something. I don't know if he'd let him finish or whatever it was. Drags the body in the bathroom, puts him in the tub and ends up dismembering him, putting him into duffel bags and then chucking the duffel bags in a few different areas. when he describes, and this is a street guy, by the way, when he describes that dismembering,

he talks about stepping that humanity is like a, I think he kind of says like a cone or something. He's like it was surreal looking down on myself doing this. And he's like, and I realized at some point that I'd stepped outside of the kind of the cone or sphere that is humanity. He's like, and I've stepped outside of it, and he said, and I've never been able to step back inside. And he described it, bro, like you said, goosebumps. And he says it, look, this is not a guy who's,

this is not a super articulate guy. This is a guy who's not super educated. He's a street guy. He says it in a way that was so chilling, such a great description and went to prison, got out of prison, has changed his life. I mean, he's a good guy. Like, I wasn't worried or anything sitting with him. Nice guy. But he talks about how it, you could just tell it, it had really destroyed his life. Obviously, not as much as the guy in the tub, but it had destroyed his life. And he talks about how he could, he will never be a part of humanity again. And it's, it's just destroyed him. Yeah. And it's, it's upsetting to listen to him say it. Not in a, just in a very disturbing way. Because I, I, you genuinely, like, to feel bad for someone like that, like, I feel bad for him. Because you could tell he's like, he's, and he's not, he's not saying it in a way that he wants you to feel bad for him. Does it make sense? Yeah, no, it makes complete sense. And I, and I can completely identify with that because being around people who have killed people, having been in shootings myself, right, having seen. people shot. There is this disconnect and a detachment that a lot of people who haven't been in those situations, it's difficult for people to understand. And the humanity element, I mean, I'll take

a look and listen to that because to me, it's always about, for the rest of my existence, about being as authentically human and authentically Christopher as I possibly can be. And I should be able to be that because that's who I am. Do you think mentally some people are just extremely capable of handling that situation and some people are just not? It's a very, very good question. See, now you'll get around some tough guys who, you know, crack jokes and stuff like that. Say, oh, yeah, he took the Dirt Nap Challenge or Room Temperate Challenge and, you know,

crack jokes about people getting killed and stuff like that. Sometimes that's a defense mechanism. So how healthy are they really? You know, how healthy are they really? So I guess when you say how well can they handle, do they not break down? Do they not have to leave the job? There are a lot of people who can really just go and do that. I know a lot of those guys.

I mean, like I said, I mean, I went through my career and I've seen a ton of different things. It's just at this age that I'm actually capable of opening up and speaking more vulnerably about it because I'm hoping that it helps someone else because it's not easy. It is not. Well, I mean, I would say it's also that's why you, that's why you, that's why you, soldiers make 18 year old 19 year old soldiers make great soldiers because they're if you're 45 years old you you question you start questioning things you start realizing things aren't black and white and sometimes maybe just following these orders maybe I should think about this a little

that makes it you know what I'm saying like of course you want 18 year old because a 45 year old guy goes maybe maybe that guy has a maybe these guys have a they have a point of why they want to invade this country or they are trying to overthrow this government or they maybe this guy's got a family like can we talk to him first you know and you know and you touched another point you bring up a lot of good points and one of them that you made me think about also is the fact that who are the real role models for young man there's a such a disconnect between guys our age and the younger generation because the people that they are choosing to follow and the social media platforms that they aggregate are guys giving them really bad information on how to become their best selves.

You don't think Wes Watson's given out great information? Is that the guy with the, he has a, those steroids, has a lot of tattoos? Yeah. Yeah, I seen that guy. And, you know, I don't see, I say something about him and then maybe he's going to start some saying some stuff. He's got, he's got, listen, he's got his own problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's about to go on trial. He's probably, he's about, yeah. He, he, some guy stepped to him at a gym and he and his buddies beat the hell out of him on tape. that you're looking at something. I mean, I would be hard pressed to find someone who I would say, you know, that my, I would want one of my sons to listen to or that I would want my daughters to date. And that's not, you know, to speak ill of them.

They're just learning life and they're trying to teach other people how to live their lives. I mean, look at it. You know, the funny thing is you look at these, it's funny because this happens on your podcast. I'm sure you have the guys say they mess with people over snitching, right? I need to see the paperwork. Let me see your paperwork. I only talk about paperwork. But you know what?

I have some really strong thoughts about this. Paperwork, right? Paperwork. Those same people that are worried about some other convicts paperwork don't know what their kids' paperwork is in school. They don't know what their kids' grades are in school. Their daughter's getting the bottom beat it out in the backseat of someone else's car

while they're sitting in prison because they want to be a stand-up guy. There's many other routes. And I'm not saying that, you know, when we're talking about snitching, what's funny about snitching. You know, who has the lips of a statue? Who has the, who's the best at not snitching?

What, the mob, supposedly? What, what do you mean? The mob or? No, domestic violence victims and kids. Oh, okay. So, okay. You know what? It's domestic violence victim in my career.

I'm an expert. I've been around the block. You know, people who don't talk about the crimes? Little kids and domestic violence victims. Those are the ones. So when you want to keep preaching all those. this no snitch and things. Good, because you're going to keep on making sure that those people continue to be victimized.

So let me speak to this point again, because we all say don't tattletale, whatever. You know another way to live your life? Live your life to where you don't have to worry about telling on anybody because you can just work a regular job and be a stand-up person that shows up for your kids, that shows up for your family, and then you don't have to worry about not telling on anybody. You know what? Because to me, you can worry about all the paperwork you want. If you don't know your kids' grades, you don't know your kids' shoes,

or your kids can't get a hold of you in a few minutes, you're a POS. And to me, I'll say that to anybody. And I'm not afraid. It's another thing. At my life, morning in my life, I'm not afraid. So everybody doesn't want to talk about paperwork and all of that stuff. Be a better human, so you don't have to worry about talking or telling anyone. And I'm not saying I'm a tough guy.

I just will be willing to protect what I will protect. My daughter went to my youngest daughter. It's an interesting story, man. My youngest daughter, she's an adult. You know, kids always say, hey, dad, can you beat that guy in a fight? You're your kids always say that, right? So my daughter's in the car, and she's in the car seat, so she knows she's little. She said, Dad, can you beat that guy?

A big dude. And I said to her, it depends on what we're fighting for. She knew what that meant. Because you know what that means. If I'm in a bar drunk and I'm fighting that guy, probably not. Probably not. But if he tries to harm you. you. And I saw a smile wax over her face because she knew what that meant. She knew what that meant.

And that's how it should be for all of us. So, you know, the people that want to be tough and say, you know, I did my 20 years in a can, I never told on anybody. I mean, I'm Bigsa Browns fan. I did my 20 years in a can. I was, listen, more power to you. You know, I'm from New York. And I get that you say that. But maybe before you have to worry about doing 20 years in a can, make a different choice. Right. Make a freaking different choice. be there for your kids, because we have a generation of kids who are in serious trouble with being led by AI and a whole bunch of false profits and people who are feeding them false information and, you know, guys freaking that are short breaking their legs to get taller.

Did you see this thing? I'm five, six. Of course I've seen this. I have people sending me the doctor's names. Really? I mean, why would you, why would a person do that? I mean, people are, you know, they're insecure. Listen, I had a buddy who, it's funny how other people are more concerned about my height than how it bothers me than me when I'm at the point now where it doesn't bother me.

I joke about it, but they think it bothers me, but it doesn't bother me. I would not do that. I actually looked into it, by the way, when I was on the run. When I was on the run, I looked into it because I was trying to do it. all kinds of stuff, right? But I didn't do it. You know, the only reason I didn't do it, you basically have to be, like, immobile for almost like two or three months. You need somebody to help take care of you. And the only person I had that was on the run with me was this bipolar lunatic chick I was dating. And I couldn't possibly be at her, you know, at, at,

I couldn't rely on her. I was being terrorized by her normally. So if she had me in a position like this, there's no way. Other than that, yeah. And then since then, like, I wouldn't do that. I'm probably okay. But yeah, people are, they're insecure. There's only one person. Yeah, of course. I mean, and I'm not tall. I'm five foot nine.

You're a giant. You're a giant. You're not doing to be five nine. Yeah. But again, to me, it's like everyone is like it's about image more than it is about the content of who you are inside. And I remember when I was a recruiter, there was like everyone that was testing. It was probably 150 people inside this auto. auditorium. And I remember, so the recruiters are at the front and this one guy says, you know,

I travel, I flew here all the way from such and such. How many positions do you guys have available? And this thing just filled me at the moment and said, you should be testing right now for only one position because you're going to get it. And that's how, that's the way your mindset should be. You only need one. And it's going to be yours. And you know what? And everything in life that I've ever tried for, I didn't care how many positions it were because in my mindset it was, I just need one. You give me one, and I'm in, I've always been a very strategic, strategic person, always thinking many, many moves ahead, many, moves ahead. It's been very beneficial for me. What are you thinking? I mean, I got, I got, like, just two questions that I'm kind of curious

about, but you guys can continue on unless there's any other. Do you have, do you have more you want to go over? I have a couple more things, but no, jump in, jump in with one of yours. So this kind of plays into just what you're saying being steps ahead as being a what is it not a negotiator what was what were you a negotiator is that what was he was he was okay I didn't know if that was a correct term yeah so yeah what is the is every single situation different or is there like a game plan like okay kind of what take take us through the thought process okay that's very it doesn't have to be a specific case but this is what I'm trying to do sure no my goals my steps or whatever so being a negotiator you used to be called hostage negotiator then

And it became crisis negotiated because most of the times it's not hostages. That case that I played for you that I had with Chevalier. That was a rare. Most of the time it's a person in crisis, a person that's barricaded inside their own home or inside of a hotel room who has one of several things that have occurred in their life. And they are threatening to take themselves out. And the process is to get a team there, a primary, a secondary, a person that's going to scribe the information and a person that's going to be a liaison

that's going to get information about the person. the primary speaks to the person. The secondary is listening and feeding the primary information. And the goal is to build a bridge and a bond with that person, to talk them out of doing something permanent that is just a temporary challenge that they're going through in their life. So when I was on the team, I mean, we would have dozens of them because it was Las Vegas.

And there's so many crazy things. It happens called Sin City for a reason. So that's what, and you'd be in call. And so you'd get called out. You get a message that says barricaded mail, 38 years old, whatever address, weapons, prior military being in route. Then you go and you handle the call. And then you go back to whatever it was you were doing. I can't tell you how many times I was on an incredibly amazing date and I would get a call out or something.

So it was very fulfilling to do that. But it was a challenging way to live. and then to be a parent also was also very, very difficult at that time because a lot of times work or my own selfishness of wanting to do some of my own thing brought me from not being the best parent that I could be. And so if I said that there was something in my life that I would redo, I wouldn't say redo, but that I could have been better is committing more time to being more present for my kids. Does that answer your question?

Yeah. And then the next kind of thing, you said you were on cops, so you did the TV show some? Many times. I was on the cops. I had a lot of fun on that show. And I learned a lot about policing on that show as well. So yeah, I was on that show. So what's the logistics like with that show? You just got a camera guy in the back? No, you have a camera guy in the front seat and the sound guy in the back. And what's just what's that like? You're just going on your normal calls. And for most people,

it takes sometimes weeks to get even one episode. Because you have to have a really good call. They have to sign the waiver. I mean, they have to get all the good shots. I mean, there's a lot of good things. I was able to get three really solid episodes in like two weeks.

And they were fun episodes. So they just go to all your calls with you. And did they ever become like, hey, you guys got to stay back on this or like, is there some, are certain situations where it's just like, hey.

Definitely. Definitely, definitely, and especially because remember, they got lights on the camera. You don't want them to silhouette you. So from a tactical perspective, and they could be a blind spot. So, yes, you would definitely want to tell them to either stay back. And they're really super pros. They've done it so many times. They know kind of where to go.

So with the crew that I was with, I never ever had any issues. And then my last question on the cops thing is, what about the people being arrested or being, you know, questioned? Are you all filming? Like any of them That would happen a lot In fact it was really funny Because also bystanders We'd like oh you're filming cops

And they would you know They would kind of try to jump in the shot And then they would pretend The cops could pretend that they're shooting them And so that they would go away And yeah So that would happen And then they hand it up for the cameras as well

Yeah They would ham it up for the cameras as well The humanity and treating people Bright story That I really wanted to make sure That I shared with you was a I'm just going to tell you his first name He was Victor

And I'd like to remember his name because it was early on in my career, and I've told this story before, but I'd like to share this story because it's important about how you treat people. So the call comes out. And so I'm on graveyard. Swing Shift has a guy in custody.

And it's a field training officer, a senior field training officer, a highly respected guy who was going to SWAT. He was leaving soon and going to SWAT, and he had a trainee. Their race matters, two white guys. They get into a foot pursuit, with a guy, take him into custody, and the race matters because this dude is a black dude.

The sergeant arrives at the scene, a swing shift sergeant arrives at the scene, and he says, I need another unit from graveyard to come to transport. So I get dispatched to go, and they specifically asked for me because I'm not white. And the guy was complaining that he was lumped on. he had a big cut on his eye because he's saying he was lumped on because he was black. The cops were heavy-handed is what he said. Yeah. So I get there.

I take the guy and the ambulance comes and the ambulance says this guy is going to have to be taken to the UMC, which is University Medical Center, which was actually where Tupac died. You're going to have to go to UMC to be stitched up. You can't take him straight to the jail. So I get him. I'm driving him. He's in the back seat. He's John Doe at this point.

He won't say his name. And I'm talking to him, and as we're going en route, I start talking to the guy just like a human being. Because I was just like, you know, let me just talk to this guy because I didn't have any issues. Yeah, I'm just transporting him. And I'm talking to him and he takes a liking to me, which happens sometimes, just personalities mesh. And he says, you know, I'm going to tell you my name. He tells me his name. Victor Blank.

Okay. I put his name in a computer, and then my computer just starts beeping like crazy, which means There's a lot of information come back. And it says, murder by burning. And he said to me, I knew that was going to come back. He said, my father pissed me off, and I killed him and burnt him in the house and the fire. So the FBI wanted him. So I'm like, oh, shoot.

And remember, I'm a rook at the time. So I was like, man, this is a pretty cool. And I never saw that on this computer screen. All right. So I take him to the hospital. They cuff, one cuff to the judge, the doctor says, he can't be cuffed behind his back. You've got to while I do this.

So he cuffs one, I don't remember which hand. He cuffs one to the gurney, soles him up. I'm standing there while they sew him up. He's done, cuff him back. Take him to CCDC, Clark County Detention Center. Bring him in. Within two seconds of the CO is getting out,

I hear a CO yelling. What the, I'm screaming. Chris, what the heck? Comes around, has this big, huge knife. Massive knife on him. that I had him the whole time while he's unhandcuffed. And I'm mortified. Because you bring a prisoner into the jail with a weapon,

the SEALs are pissed. Because they don't have, I mean, they don't have really weapons, right? They have a pepper spray. And they have a team that has weapons, but that's not going to do anything at that moment. I go over to Victor. And he says, yep. And you know what?

If you weren't as kind as you were to me, I would have done you in the hospital. Wow. Your life flashes for it because he would have had the jump on me. I mean, this was a ramble knife. But let me tell you something about this story. Why did I not do the proper procedure of the pat down and hand-changing out of the other? You assumed the other cops had done it.

I didn't want to embarrass the senior FTO guy that was going to SWAT. I didn't want to embarrass him. I didn't want to feel like I didn't want to act like I didn't believe his search was good enough. and I knew the process. I was fresh out of field training. I knew the process. This is about trying to fit in, trying not to make waves, right?

Because you're actually checking their work 100%. Less than I learned from that. Don't worry about, do it the right way. Do it the right freaking way. That could have costed me my life. About doing things the right way. I was a I had a trainee

I was a field training officer and I was a trainee and I had a trainee and we get a car pull behind it, run the plate and it comes back that the vehicle is the registered owner is wanted out of LA

for a gang some kind of battery with deadly weapons all with there with some kind of major felony out of L.A. is an NCIC and so this is a major thing. We do a felony car stop, my trainee, and I, and we had other units, and then a guy, those other units that came in a guy from traffic, when his motorcycle comes,

and there's a guy, buddy of my, who hadn't seen in a really long time. And so he shows up as well. So we get the guy in custody, have him at the car in handcuffs. At that point, everyone's, you know, adrenaline is going down. Everyone leaves except me, my trainee, right, and my buddy who's talking to me about traffic and telling me how much he's, loves his motorcycle, how much, how fun traffic has been and stuff like that. So I'm like, a trainee should be able to take this guy, you know, he's in handcuffs, put him inside the car, which is not the procedure, right? So I'm supposed to be observing.

Anyway, I start talking to my buddy in traffic, and I'm like, asking about his motorcycle. We're talking another code red, another foot pursuit. So this is a bad area. So we hear another foot pursuit. We're like, oh, my goodness, this is getting crazy over here. And we're listening to the radio traffic. the flip pursuit and we're both playing, oh, we're probably going to have to figure out, you know, what the other units are going to do with my buddy.

It's like, he's probably going to have to help. And it gets even close. And I turn and look and there's nothing but a pair of flip flops and an open back car door. It was my trainee chasing the suspect in handcuffs because I wasn't watching my trainee. We're listening to the flipers, and thinking it's somebody else. It's my trainee. And he got away. Oh, man.

My trainee comes back. His uniform is all jacked up, head down, and I'm like, I lost my job. I'm done. It's also a felony suspect because I'm sitting here chit-chatting with my buddy from traffic. Sergeant calls me in with my trainee, and it's like, you got 24 hours to get this guy into custody. I tell all the other units, I stay late. We get him in the custody the next day and charged him for. for stealing the handcuffs.

And Adam Book, we were going to local charge of also stealing the handcuffs, which is another re-fortification of following the procedure and the policy is what matters. You do it the right way. Cutting corners doesn't help. Focus. You know, those kind of anecdotal stories

or what makes me sound like a grandfather when I'm talking to my kids. They're like, dad, you already told me that before. But it freaking matters. And that's why being around for your kids is so important. One of the things that I always tell my kids is, you know, be very, very careful who you hang out with. Because the wrong place at the wrong time has gotten so many people charges.

So many people charges. Where they legitimately. You lie down with dogs. Yeah, just legitimately. Yeah, I can freeze. And so a story that happened to me before when I was a teenager, right? There was this girl. So I live in Queens and there was this girl that lived way out in Long Island.

And I was seeing her. I mean, way out. What is way out in Long Island? Because way out to New Yorkers is like a 20-minute drive. No, no. Way out to Floridians, there's like three and a half hours. No, this was, I believe this was like a two hours on the Long Island railroad. Okay, I'll give you that.

That's a distance. It was far. Yeah. It was far. Was she hot? You know, I. Because two hours for hot. Well, for a 16-year-old, you know, I can't get his girl props.

I can't get this girl props. So I go out there to see this girl, and it was said that I was going to spend the night on the couch. Her mom knew the whole night, you know, at a cousin that lived out there, and it was my cousin introduced me to this girl. And I was permitted to stay on the couch, which my parents would never let happen. My parents were divorced at the time. So I ride the Long Island Railroad out to see this girl, stay on the couch. She said her mother, it was weird because a lot of people kept coming to the house. just come and staying for a few and leaving.

Come and staying for a few and leaving. Then about midnight, the mom calls the girl up to her bedroom, and then the girl comes down. She says, hey, I need you to come walk with me, go do something. So we walk through this neighborhood, cross the street, go into this other neighborhood, go up to this apartment. The girl goes inside.

I stand at the door. She comes out, and she has some tinful wrapped up and hands it to me. And now I know. it was probably about maybe an ounce of powder. Okay. Maybe two. And she, the girl tells me, he says, hold this while we walk back.

So I put it. You hold this. No, I helped. I put in a pocket, walked across the street, went back to her apartment. I mean, I was always stuck out there, right? Yeah. I was always stuck out there in our place. You know, I was a kid still, but bring it back.

stay in the apartment throughout the night people are still knocking the door one person comes and starts causing this is stepped on this crap is stepped on and starts causing this whole thing

and I'm like oh my goodness the police are going to end up showing up here and I'm going to get caught up in this whole thing now think about this was I

factually guilty of committing any crimes I mean yeah you transported you were in possession of yeah but was I I, from a perspective of seeing that whole picture, would you think that I should be considered

a felon? No. I don't think so either. Stupid. I don't think so either. And I say that to say that, to people who watch this, don't put yourself in a situation. No is a good answer. And realizing the situation you're in and having it out is also a very, very good thing to have in

your back pocket. I would go on these stops, these car stops. You know what constructive possession is, right? Yeah. All right. It terrifies me all the... I would have these constructive possession stops all the time. It could be a pipe, right?

It could be any type of pipe would residue inside. I mean, I was thinking of a firearm. Yeah. But I was more of the minor ones, right? More of the minor ones. I'm going to talk about a minor one. And I would always have it would be some young girl and her boyfriend, right? They're dating.

She's giving up the stuff to the guy, and this is her boyfriend. And I'd have some constructive possession stuff, item inside the car. Let's just say it's a pipe with residue. Nothing that I would have to arrest anyone for. But this is what I would do as a lesson. And people sometimes get on me about doing this, but I would do this because of what happened to me. As I would say, all right, listen, neither one of you want to claim the pipe. It's both of yours.

Both could have used this pipe. It's both within side of your reach. It's both of your pipe. Unless one of you wants to take ownership of the pipe, then I'll just take that. that person. If I did this 10 times, nine of the 10 times, the guy would say, hey, baby, just take this charge real quick and I will bail you out. And I would look at the girl and say, you see. I have this tattoo here. It says, now you see. It's from one of your favorite movies, traffic. And the girl, it's the pipe and the, yeah, now you see. That's why I have it. Because when I train

Jiu-Jitsu, I choke someone out, now that's what they see. Now, that's what they see. Now you see. I say, now you see, this is who you're with. He wants you to go. He's going to bail you out. You give him your body, you give him this. And for your disloyalty, young man, I'm taking you. Young lady, now you've learned your lesson. And then I booked it due for being disloyal. And then I hope that the female learned the lesson that this is who she's with. So how many women who watch this are going to say, would you let me go to jail? Well, the guy's going to say, no, of course. I wouldn't let you go to jail. But don't even put yourself in that situation is the point of the story. She was probably already bailing him out before he has even fully booked in. She's already

had a bail bondsman. You always hope that someone at least learned. So, you know, that we covered a lot. And, you know, I did have an amazing time with you. And I also brought you one more gift. Oh, my, what's going on? A closing gift, a closing gift. And this is something that I really legitimately do. I had to use it today. So road rage was something that I would have challenges with in the past. I don't know if that's something that you've ever dealt with in the past. And I wouldn't even call mine rage, but it would be where I would give eye contact to a person and now giving eye contact. You don't even want to give eye contact. If there's a piece of advice, I want to give everyone, don't give eye contact if someone's driving

like a jerk off because it's just going to cause issues and never, ever get out of the car because you've seen so many situations where people to shoot. So there's something that I legitimately do that I carry inside my console that I utilize if I run into a person with road rage and I'm going to give you one. Nine millimeter. Glock. And this is 100% legit. You ready?

This is yours. It's this. It's this. For real. I used it today. So what happens is you see a person and they're driving like a jerk off. You put the clown nose on. You just look at them?

No. Well, you can look at them, but you're not going to get into an argument with anyone when you're wearing a clown nose. Because you know that if you get into an argument with someone, you're being a clown. Right. It prevents you from engaging. person and it makes you look at the situation very, very differently. It's really interesting that I mentioned the same thing on the Theo Vaughn podcast. Some girl sees this, makes a post, a fake post

that her friend came up with this concept and she puts it up. And my friends obviously saw this and sent it to me and I sent it to her and she like takes it down. So like people see things on the internet and and they steal it. But I'm giving this to you because even if you don't ever wear it. Let me see. I'll wear it now. Yeah, put it on. Is it, it's this way? Yeah, it's that way right there. Does it work? Of course.

Is it a real clown nose? Is it really meant for this or is it meant for something else? No, that's what's 100. No, I, it's for like, I use it for the road rage thing. This is not a good clown nose. It needs to be hollowed out more. Then you can do it. It needs more grip.

You see, he's always thinking about business. This guy's going to make a million off these and like. It needs more grip on the nose. It needs to be more hollowed out a little bit. But I legitimately do. that. And, you know, that's the thing. So that's, that's, that's where we are. I, uh, obviously, um, you know that I brought you and called me my book. You've given me all this. I have one of these. Oh, you do. Well, now you got two. I think you gave me one, um, uh, when we had lunch. Oh, I probably

did. Oh, they got one for you. The police IQ book. Um, police IQ.com is, is my website. You can go to police IQ.com again. Or you can get it on Amazon. I know you didn't read it because you would told me you read it me no i i can't read i can't read books um this is this how how many pages oh this is not this is about four no wait two's about what five hours reading five about four five hours did you remember i'm a product in new york city public school system is it is it your is it your life story or is it what is it initial years of being a cop but the cool thing about it is i took some police proverbs and i put the proverbs in here and i break them down on how you can apply them to your regular life. Like an A hole at 8 o'clock is a problem at midnight. So in policing, that saying means

that if you receive someone at 8 p.m. and they're acting like a jerk off. If you don't take care it right now at midnight, they're going to be a serious issue. And then I give an anecdotal story. I give the application that you can put to it. I put some pictures of me throughout my career and some really kind of cool police stories and some interesting things that you can incorporate into your life. It's kind of an everyday book for, I guess it's like the, the the ghetto police son, Sue. Half of what you see and none of what you hear.

Police proverb number one. And I talk about how you can apply that to your life. I was going to say when I was a mortgage broker, I used to always say that the borrowers, the customers, the customers are a problem at the first meeting is going to be a nightmare by the, by the closing. And so I was like, so the way to do that is that no matter what they say, don't give them an inch.

You know what I'm saying? At that point, it's like, what's with the 3,500 broker fee, bro. Don't you think it's a little bit high? No, that's just what we charge. And that's the, you know, you go through the whole thing and they go, yeah, I don't know. I understand. And if this, if you don't feel that comfortable with that, by all means, you should consider going to your credit union, which I understand they have great rates.

And they, like, start getting rid of them. Like, if you do that once or twice, they realize, those guys realize right away, like, fuck, I'm not going to be able to get anything. This got to budge on anything. Because if you start giving now, that's the guy who, at closing, you, you, you, you, you, You're cutting your fee. You're giving back money. It's just a nightmare across the way. He's complaining about everything.

There's a police nexus in this book just to that same exact thing. You see, you were probably a cop in your other life. Yeah. This is, that's good stuff, man. I actually had a really good time here. You didn't think you were going to? No, it's just that sitting down in one place. I told you I'm peculiar.

Like, sitting down in one place. Like, it's challenging for me. Remember you said I was getting away from the mind? I get ants in the pants and it's a little bit difficult. But yeah, on my YouTube channel is, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, at Sergeant Curtis. At Sergeant Curtis.

At Sergeant Curtis. I break down YouTube videos. And on my site, police IQ.com, I have these really cool police shirts. So I have the badge on the front with the different sections like narcotics, vice, all the different sections on the back. I got a really cool Vegas scene with what looks like a Hummer type police vehicle. So you can get those shirts on that site as well. This is the, this is the YouTube channel is the one, the Canadian guy.

And you break down the videos. Are they interrogation videos? No, they're a body cam. Video. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this and share the video also.

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