Celebrity Dealer Exposes The Dark Side Of Fame & Fortune
00:00So drugs to John McAvee.I spent the last two years of his life with him.I'm hanging in VIP with this country star.There's Michael Myers and Candyman.We're doing my...The newspapers said that I was the ringleader in this organization called This Society.So now they've plagued me as this cult leader?Yeah.
00:16Johnny Depp was going through the Amber Heard stuff at the time.He says if I go to prison, that would be detrimental to him being part of my group, the society.So 17, you couldn't really get in the clubs because you had to be 18.We would, you know, know somebody that would get us in the club.My buddy knew the security or whatever he would get us in.And that was like the cool thing.I don't scream drug dealer.Right.
00:38But, you know, someone came up to me and it's like, hey, can you get me any beans?I'm like, beans.I know the 7-Eleven.Right.You know, on 7th Avenue here, they can get you some beans.You know, everybody's laughing at me.They're like, no, man, they mean an X.I'm like, oh, I'm like, no, I don't know where to get that.
00:54I didn't use drugs at the time.I would drink.So I, you know, kind of asked around where these beans.were and you know found them and I would buy it from that person and go find the personand ask me for me hey I got the beans that you were looking for and give it to them what do youdo and just adding a couple bucks to each one yeah a couple bucks not making you know nothingthey were you know I forgot how much back then they were you know hang out with the DJs Ithought I was a cool kid my little group of friends we did that every weekend it was a recurring
01:24thing people would ask me about beans or X and I wouldfind them and you know I thought I was you know cool because I would find whatever they were lookingfor did you actually have like a contact or you just know you're just finding guys that have thembuying 10 of them and going and sell them for seven bucks a piece that right right made a couple bucks$20 or whatever right I mean that's not paying your bills no I worked a regular job during theweek you know I floated around jobs a lot as time went on I would see like the certain guy in theclub all the time whenever he would show up like everybody had these beans right and you knowwhenever he gone he was gone like nobody had him anymore i'm like man i got to meet that guy
02:08and you know eventually him and i started to talk because i was a dj and he enjoyed the musicand enjoyed the craft of it all i started to talk to him i'm like hey man do you know where i can findany beans at all he's like yeah how many you want i'm like 10 you know is thatis that a lot and he's like no i i get you 10 gave me 10 i forgot what i paid for him back then he'slike if you need any more let me know i said great got his phone number i kind of was like man youknow i i can make i'm making like two hundred dollars whatever it was a week at a job i meani can do this full time and you know go to these clubs on a nightly basis and throw my littleunderground raves that i'm throwing and dj and selling drugs i don't need to work anymore
02:57right like man that would be great that would be the mission it's for suckers yeah working's forsuckers man who wants to pay taxes you know this is tax free x money right here right and i neverbe old enough to need to file for social security yeah i'll never make it so on my i'm in my early20s um fun time man i just have so many great stories about doing this and i think i was making likefour hundred dollars a week at my regular job and on the weekends i would makeanywhere from $1,200 to $1,500 in my pocket, free and clear.And my connection, he always seemed to have him.Like, he was never running out.
03:38So this went on for years.I did this.I got really, you know, started to get really popular.Some of the clubs are closed now.There was an after hours called Night Moves that was in my newspaper article.And the castle in Ebor City, it's still open to this day.I'm probably not allowed in there anymorebut they said that
03:59in the article that I wasthe king of the castle, the kingof the undergroundbecause of this stuff.So I'm waiting to go to the club one nightandI can't get hold of him.I'm like thinking, oh, maybe he's at the casino
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05:41You shouldn't either.Once again, that's Aura.com backslash Matt for a free 14-day trial.This is probably, I forget the year.0, 4, 05, something like that.I find them, and I start calling the jails, and I don't find them in jail.I start calling the hospitals.I find them in the hospital.So I go to the hospital, and be like, what the hell happened, man?
06:09And he told me that he was on his way to see me.He had 100 X-pills on him, and he was with a buddy,and his buddy got pulled over for a DUI, and he was freaked out that,They were going to take him to jail for the X.So he ended up swallowing them all.A hundred fucking pills, man.And he, Odeed.Right.
06:31And, you know, they pumped the stomach.And he was looking at me and he said, you know, poet, I got to, you know, I can't do this anymore.You know, I don't want to go to jail.I don't want to die.And I said, what about me, man?You know, you can't forget about me here.Like, this is my livelihood.I quit my job.
06:49Right.You know, the DJing is not paying me.that much i'm like i need this stuff he's like well i can maybe talk to my guy for you i said yeah mantalk to your guy let me see you know see what you can do for me so it's the next day he talkedto his guy and the guy's like is this the you know the guy that's been selling all your ex for youand you know my connect that the the connect that over deed he said yeah this is the guy sohe ended up introducing me to the guy he was getting it fromHe told me, he said, hey, man, you know, he owes me thousands of dollars.
07:27I said, hey, what about if I keep my price the same and I'll pay off his debt for him?So they thought that was, you know, the greatest thing ever that I'm honorable enough to pay off this guy's debt.So it took me two weeks and I had his debt paid off.So my price dropped.So back in Ebor City, in the nightclubs there,I was primarily selling out of the castle and the after hours, night moves.And it just started to build every weekend, every weekend.It was just more and more and more and more.
08:04And I started to go to like other bars in the area.So every night of the week, Monday I was at this bar, Tuesday, I was at this bar, Wednesday, I was at this bar, and so on and so forth.And I started to recruit people into selling for me or, you know, or with,me right and uh it the newspapers said that i was the ringleader in this organization calledthis society maybe it was a playoff my nickname poet i have no idea right but it never had a namelike i have no idea where they got that from but poet come from poet came from my grandmotheri like scribbled a little poem for her and she's like you're my little poet i was like yeah i'm poet bitchThat's right, you know, that's the name.
08:54And later on, when I started to sell E,party on E tonight, poet.So, yeah, clever.I haven't covered up now,but I tattooed it in block letters.You could still see it because I wanted my name, poet,to be, you know, referenced with E.If you think of E, I wanted you to think of poet
09:14because I'm the guy that has it.Right.Yeah, Billboard.Walking Billboard, dumb, you know, cops.Yeah. Working with the Connect, the main connect, he had as many as I could possibly sell.Right.It was nonstop.At the time, I was unheard of because you would have fly-by-night drug dealers that would sell it and, you know, they would be out the next day.
09:40This guy never, it was never, it was like a melting pot of X pills.I mean, I had whatever I want, but I wanted to sell small.I didn't want to sell anybody 200 or 300 or 400 because I profited more if I sold it small.And I was really scared to sell large.Right.You know, I didn't know the laws back then or anything like that.So I wanted to keep it small.And that would, if I'm selling it to you small, you're going to be a consumer, not a dealer.
10:11If I sell you 100, I know you're not taking 100 pills.Right.Unless you're my first guy that.Unless you get pulled over by the place.Yeah, yeah, on a DUI stop.There you go.um so that went on for you know years working with the connect and how i mean what kind of moneyare you making every you know a month that's the thing people ask me i have no idea um it was
10:32i don't i can't pinpoint like a number i think back then i was making like four or fivethousand dollars a week maybe okay i don't i don't know profit right i was making that so that couldbe anywhere between like 15 000 to let's say 20 000 25 000 just dependedYeah, just depended.I mean, there's no drug forecasting.Right.You know, there's no drugologist here that can forecast of how much drugs are going to sell for the week.But I knew my heavy nights were like Fridays and Saturdays.
11:02But I still couldn't tell you how much money I was making back then.It was small.I thought I was, you know, king shit.Well, I mean, to a teenager, if you were making $20,000 a month, that's a fucking ton of money.And I remember when we were teenagers, well, it was probably 18 or 19.we would buy steroids from a guy who was a drug dealer.And I remember we went to his house.He was like six foot tall.
11:26And we went to his, and that wasn't a house.It was an apartment.But he had like a two-bedroom, two-bath apartmentand a brand-new apartment complex.He drove a corvette.He worked out all the time.So all he did was work out and sell drugs.And we went to his house.
11:44I remember I had a huge fish tank, you know.It's just like he, he was probably 30-something years old, 30, 35 years old.We were teenagers, and I just thought he was the coolest guy ever.He was, he drives a Corvette.You know, I'm not, I'm not thinking to myself, you drive a Corvette that you probably, thatwas probably financed or is the payment's probably $1,500.Your insurance is probably outrageous.You live in an apartment that you don't own.
12:14You know what I'm saying?You spend all your money on, you've spent probably a couple or $5,000.in this ridiculous fish tank.You know what I was like? Everything about him was like flash.Like super hot girlfriend, worked out all the time.Like I thought it was, you know, all the things that he was spending his money on were stupid.But I just thought he was the coolest fucking thing.And I know he thought he had the life.
12:35Like we thought he's got the life.That was my connection.Yeah.No.This guy, I remember too, he answered.He loved himself too because he answered the door.I remember in a pair of shorts with his shirt off and he had abs.Oh, yeah.
12:48And he was, you know, he's tall and he's like, come on in, you guys.You know, it's like you're, we're like 17, 18 year old kids.Like, and you're 35 years old and, you know, we just think you're the coolest.Yeah.My hot girlfriend with her tits hanging out, check it out.And the truth is, you know, he was pathetic.You know what I'm saying?You know what I'm saying?
13:04You know what I'd be like, bro, you're 35 years old.Just stop it.Yeah, you're selling steroids and, and he was probably selling, I mean, I knew he was selling other drugsbecause I knew my buddy bought from him.So I knew he was doing that.You know, so I knew he's selling all kinds of stuff, but it's so funny when you're that age, how you think, how cool you think you're, you know what, you know what I'm saying?Right.I'm making this much money.
13:27Yeah, I'm coming from a broken home, not getting attention.Yeah.You know, now.Oh, you're the man.I'm the man now.When I would go in these clubs, it's like, Poets here.Right.You know, I'm the life of the party.
13:40And I had a connection that, it was never a point where he was like, no, I don't have any.Right.So I felt I could just.sell as many as I could, make as much money as I could, and I was going to live off my days doingthis. I didn't have a future plan. Right. And I never had any problems in a nightclub eitherbecause, you know, everybody in a nightclub, they all have their price. The doorman, thesecurity, most of them were buying from me. Right. The bartenders. It's not like somebody cameup to you. You can't come around here. Right. Yeah, it was no pressure at all. So I'm at the after
14:15hours night moves one night and i meet this stripper we have a connection with strippers don't we matti met uh and then in early 2000s you know she had fake breast so that was like you knowa given like you didn't it's a given there yeah they're all they all have not all but i'm sureshe was a major blow head and i i didn't know anything about blow i mean i heard of it i've neverdone it like you know she liked the role x right um we they i got introduced by herSo, you know, of course, I'm chilling at her house now all the time, you know, selling X out of her house and going to the nightclubs, DJing.And, you know, she was the daytime stripper.And she would come home and complain about the dealer never showed up and she couldn't find it and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
15:05And one day she asked, she goes, can you get it?I said, I don't know.I was like, it's too complicated for me.Powdered bags.I don't know.I deal with E.ideal x i mean right so the pill yeah it's come on it's easy yeah this power i didn't know anythingi was so green with it i didn't know how it's sold i didn't know anything i was like well i can call
15:26him let me see if i can obtain this for you so i give him a call i'm like hey man can you can youfind any blow and he starts to laugh he's like that's what i mainly do right he's like thex is just a side thing man and i said you know by the way we don't call it that if you'reever going to call me, you need to call it T-shirts.If you ever need any T-shirts, I said, okay, T-shirts.Can you find me any T-shirts?Yeah.It's like, how many do you want?
15:55I said, I want one.I said, what is one?And he's like, you want an ounce?I said, yeah, I'll take one ounce.How much is that?He's like, $500.I said, cool.I was like, I'll let you know.
16:06Hang up the phone.Her name was Nicole.I said, Nicole, I can find it.It's $500 an ounce.she's like 500 that's garbage it's cut you know no you know 500 that's bullshit there's noway it's that cheap so my guy's telling me my ex guy is telling me it's 500 she's like well get itand i said okay and when i went to go see him to pick up some more x i pick up that i bring it to hershe does it of course and she's like oh my god you said 500 i'm like yeah she's well this goes for
16:42you know, 15, whatever, 1,500.So I start running numbers in my head.I'm getting it for five.I can make $1,000 of just one.Right.I'm like, this is better than the X.So I give her the ounce,and she goes to the club and ends up selling it all
17:00in the strip club in Tampa.And which strip club?I can't tell you.It's still open.20 years ago.It's still open.Oh my God.Yeah, class act.
17:11Yeah.Do you know anything about Class Act?Do you ever been in Class Act?No.I've been in Mons, not because I wanted to.I was dragged in there, places of dive.Scarlet's Dollhouse.Oh, Scarlets, they just got busted.
17:30Did they?Yeah, a couple months ago for running prostitution or something.Isn't there one that is like a spaceship?Oh, that's 2001.It's gone.Isn't it gone?2001?Is it still there?
17:41Yeah, it's still there.Really?I think I heard about it.Yeah, a John Mayer concert or something.Yeah, 2001, I actually know the manager of that place named Todd.So Class Act, she worked there at daytime selling out of the place, and, you know, she sold it relatively quickly there.So I was looking at the numbers.I'm like, man, you could sell that.
18:06I can make $1,000 in one shot.Like, I'm going to, you know, get it.into this business so through her and my connections at the castle and night moves and otherbars and stuff I was selling out of I was I was doing with the main connect he would not frontme anything it was only a cash basis so I was going to his house you know three four times a daysometimes to get you know an ounce or two ounces and I always put back my profit into thex and the and the the powder so he one day i call him and i'm like i need four shirts which isfour ounces right and i need you know four uh you know he called him cds i need four cd so it's
18:58four hundred and four hundred however i don't remember that amount so i go to his house and uh he hasthis uh hennessee box he opens up the hennessee box and there's justyou know bags and bags of the powder and I'm like what is that and he's like that's ahundred I'm like a hundred what he's like that's a hundred ounces I said oh oh okay and he's like do youwant it said do I want it I'm like I don't have you know 50,000 dollars right so I don't have$50,000 I only have the money I came for the four and the four and he says well how aboutI front it to you.I said, you're going to front me $50,000 worth of powder.
19:45I was like, man, if something happens here, I'm, you know, my ass is going to be in troublewith this.Right.He's like, don't worry about it.Because him and I've been doing good business for years now.Yeah.On a cash basis.He's like, you're coming by my house too much.
19:59You know, I trust you.You know, I'm like, okay.So I took, it was, it was 50,000 in the powder and whatever the, the, you know,x i picked up and he gave me more than the four so it was on the lines of maybe 800 pillsperhaps i don't really know i remember that it was the 50 000 i remember that it was a big thingi was like holy shit you know i feel like i'm fucking pablo eskabar and that's close to like three kilosright hundred ounces it's like 36 and a kilo something like that all right i'll take your word for ityeah yeah something like that the metric system yeah i don't know so i i took that
20:39And I think I left there and I owed them like $75,000 something, something on the lines of that much.And that was, you know, crazy to me because I like this.Last I ever saw him.Yeah.I left.I left with Matt Cox.We were on the run together.Through the beeper away or the cell phone.
20:57I started a mortgage company.Yeah.No.So I'm scared because if I lose this, I don't have $75,000 laying around to give this dude.strippers aren't cheap no i'm making only a couple thousand you know four thousand whatever it wasat the time profit um so i got scared you know to pay this guy off so i would baggy it up myday consisted of bagging the shit up in grams and eight balls and i found it to be you knowan eight ball is three point five so three point five grams and i was like that's going to be
21:36hard to divvy out in my pocket doing it in the clubs. I was like, I got to bag it out all ingrams. So I was like, I'll sell four grams for $150. And at the time, nobody was sellingpowder at $40 a gram. You know, I come on the scene. I have all this. I'm selling it for $40 agram. So my contacts in night moves, the castle. I start to build a team of this.society you know no uh probably about like 30 guys you know guys and girls uh i would frontit to them sell it to them cash whatever and you know i was pretty much they they called methe drug ring leader of this group and that's how it went i was making i mean it sounds accurateyeah look at me i know what you're saying but so far it sounds accurate it does it yeah because
22:34you're the one who's arranging all this guys yeah i guessYou're supplying them.That's what a ringleader is.That's what it does.So I am a drug ringleader.Yeah, it just doesn't sound.Former.Yeah.
22:44It's like the first article I read about me.They called me a con man.I'm like,Khan man.Con man.And you describe what I did.You're like,okay.
22:54So this stuff is going relatively quickly.And I was so nervous because I owed him all this money.I would call him and say,hey man,thousand dollars do you want me to bring it by your house and he's like no i don't keep it i'm like okayso you know a couple days later or a week later i would call hey i got 10 000 do you want me to bringit by yeah yeah you can bring it by if you want so i'll go to his house give him the 10 000this is this is so accurate i gave him the 10 000 he opens up another box it's like i have 50
23:29more ounces here i have a thousand more pills do you want it i said bro i owe you a 65I have all this.I'm like, no.Yeah.I'm like, I don't want to take it.Yeah.You haven't got rid of the stuff you already?Correct.
23:43And he's like, no, just take it.He's like, I trust you.I said, okay.Yeah, I feel like I'm being set up at this point.Yeah, there's no reason to load me up with a bunch of drugs.He loaded me up.And a lot of the times, and this happened, it wasn't on a weekly basis.It was maybe every three weeks, every month, I would go there, and it would turn into, you
24:06I owe you 75, now I owe you 150,000, now I owe you 175,000, and I would try to pay him off.And this is not, this goes on for months.I just, he always loads me up.And sometimes I would just deny it.Like, bro, I got fucking five keys, man.Right.I have, you know, what, you know, 2,000, 3,000 pill.I don't need this shit anymore, you know.
24:33So when it comes to, in my case,when it comes to drug dealing, like, I didn't have, like, how people, how much were you makingor how much was this?It's like, no, I was always paying them off.I always had debt with them.You don't think anybody wants an actual ledger.Right.I mean, there's no.
24:49I think they're just trying to say, in general, what were you making?Like, nobody's.Yeah, like, what was your lifestyle?Yeah, there's no bookkeeping.Yeah, they want to know, like, you know, what kind of car were you driving this time?Where you were, were you still living in the little party house and?No, you know, I was with Nicole.I broke up with Nicole, and I had my own little, I had a luxurious townhouse, actually.
25:11Nice.Thank you.Yeah.What kind of car?I had, at the time, I did have a Corvette at one point.Yeah, I did have a Corvette.Um, uh, I had a Corvette.I had a Kia when the Kia's first came out.
25:29Like I had one of them.It was like, it was like.Yeah.When they first came out were like the worst car.Yeah, it was like a Kia Sophia.Yeah, Black Kia, Sophia, I thought it was like hot shit.So, like, kind of started getting a reputation around town.I mean, I wasn't the only drug dealer.
25:46Yeah, yeah.You know, I started getting the reputation, the rep, as in, you know, the guy that I always had it.Like, that was the great thing about me as a drug dealer's, I always had it.You call me?Yeah, you know, and I started to operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365.I'm never out of my houseBut I was always out in the clubsSo in Tampa
26:10They never closed manYou know, I was at the casinoSeminole Hard RockYeah manThey had a nightclub inside of thereCalled FloydsYou remember Floyd's inside of itI was locked up by this point
26:25Yeah it went on for a whileI actually metI won't mention the nameAnd you're not going to force the name out of meButAnd in these clubsI would go to like I always had VIP because I was the drug guy right everybody loved me so I'm inI'm chilling at Floyd's in the Tampa hard rock and the security comes up to me they're like hey
26:45poet man this girl wants to see you in VIP I'm like who is she and he mentions the name andshe had like the hot country song out at the time I'm like no bro he's like yeah she wants she needssome X man I'm like all right I'll go up there I'm like bothering me and I'm like bothering me andI'm not going to say her name.I don't want to get sued.We need it for the thumbnail.Yeah.We need it for the thumbnail.
27:12I'm not going to get sued, bro.You're not going to get sued.It's fine.So if anybody's getting sued, it's us.Yeah.Yeah, you guys are going to get fucking sued.Yeah.And keep in mind, too, this is a long time ago.
27:23Nobody's getting busted.Statute of limitations is that.Chenai Twain wants to do a little bit of blow.It was not her.We'll just assume it was her, right?I just assume it's, I'll say, like, I'll put Shini Twain on the thumb.No, I don't do it.I'll do it.
27:35She did a song with Kid Rock.That's all I'm going to say.Let's move on with the show.Matthew Cox's show.Let's go.You guys so want to know.Are you country fans?I am a country fan and a Kid Rock fan.
27:48Okay.So it's funny that I can't find it.I'm just a fan of some good clickbait.Yeah.Yeah.Let's see.Cheryl Crow, Gretchen Wilson, Miranda Lambert,Dolly Parton.
28:00Miranda Lambert.No.Well, we have a 25.percent chance.Kid Rock is on for collaboratingwith female country artists.I'll give you other good, great thumbnailsbetter than that.
28:12Do you know who Tony Todd is?Candyman, you never watched the movie?The horror movie, classic Candyman?How about Halloween?You know who Michael Myers is?Of course.Tony Moran played Michael Myers in the movie.So I'm in a hotel in Tampa.
28:25There's Michael Myers and Candyman.They're doing my fucking blow.I'm chilling on the couch watching two horror movieicon. Michael fucking Myers doing myfucking blow, bro.Like.I love the guy on TikTokwho, with Michael Myers where he
28:39There was like three of them that played Michael Myers.No, I mean, where he does it with his kid,that he plays.Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.They dance with the,I have so many offamous people.Anyways, I'm in Floyd's.
28:53They bring me up to the area.And this song is hot right now.Right.I'm wearing like big old shades,you know, like J-Lo shades in the clubthinking I was all hot shit.Right.You know, security.
29:04Her security stops me.She, like, gives him the motion, and I, you know, sit next to her.And she's, like, tries to take my glasses.I'm like, I'm poet, bitch.Like, you ain't taking my glasses?She wants to wear my shades.And she's like, do you know who I am?I'm like, I know who you are.
29:20I'm like, let me see some ID.And my buddies were, like, laughing because I actually card her to make sure it's really her.It's kind of funny.But I end up selling her.What's the ID say?I can't tell you.But I didn't sell it any X.I actually gave it to her.
29:37I was just so like, oh, this is cool, bro.I just give it to her.The whole stars, like stars don't pay for drugs.They don't.I thought it was cool.I'm hanging in VIP with this country star.Yeah.So I'm like here, you know.
29:51Never got her number exchanged or anything.I don't know where I was going with that story.Why did I even go to that story?Well, it's because you are now labeled the celebrity dealer.Yeah, no, don't do that.The celebrity dealer.I actually sold drugs to John McAvey.too. There you go. John McAfee. That's how I have a key is it Macafee. Macafee. The Macafian
30:09anti-virus software. You're selling to McAfee and and, uh, Dolly Parton. Yeah, all them. It was,it's not like they, it got my phone number and we like hung out all the time. I'm not suggesting that.I'm just saying it was just a one and done, you know, I thought I was popular than them at the time.Right. So, you know, I have this hot fucking townhouse and, uh,The Corvette, you know, selling steroids with my, no, just kidding.So I thought I was hot shit.And this went on for years.Like there was a point in time where, you know, at the castle, it's like a old school.
30:51It looks like a castle.Right.And there's upstairs.And when I would walk into that club, sometimes they would bring me in through the exit door.I wouldn't even go through the front door in the line of people.go through the exit door you know i couldn't even make it up the staircase it would take me 10 minutesto get up the staircase people shaking my hand like the president fucking arrived um at one point i evenhired a security guy to walk around with me in the clubs i would go to to sell drugs like i never had
31:22an issue and to this day i can walk into a nightclub or a bar and i can clock the place withinyou know minutes i can tell you who's who who's selling somebody is selling whateverSo I'm at the height of my, my power, I think.At this point in time, you know, always owed the guy my connect, always owed him.There was never a point where I was like, woo, I got you paid off.Right.I would look at the pile of low or the X and think, okay, if I owe him 40 grand, if I minus the 40 grand, I'll have this.That's my profit.
31:59That's how I kind of regulated my spending habits because it.it went from a kid not having no money to someone that has a lot now.It's almost like a person that wins the lottery.You hear about them guys,they win like fucking $50 million and they're broke within a year.Yeah.That was me.I just was spending crazy shit.
32:20Like, there was another stripper I started, I started to mess with.I had like many of girlfriends.And she would always, this is back before Uber's.And she would always complain like, I can't find a taxi cab.That's why I didn't come over.So I got pissed off at her.I said, what kind of car you want?She told me the car.
32:37I went out and bought a car for it.I was like, now you have no excuse.When I call you, you come over.Bought her a car.Buying my friend's cars.My group of friends, they were going like bike night every week.And they would rag on me like, you don't have a motorcycle.You can't go with us.
32:54So the next day I went down to the Suzuki dealership and I bought a brand new motorcycle.That's just kind of like my spinning habits at that time.So I would go to bike night with them.on my motorcycle, weird shit.I even bought a throne for my place where I lived so I could sit in my throne thinking I wasthe king of the underground, you know, the king of the castle.I had a power puff girl plate just filled with blow.I would hold court on my little throne and divvy out, you know, party supplies to everyone
33:26at my house because I started to sell out of my house.It became a party house in the club's entourage, a guy.the society this they called it the secret gothic groupwere you gothic no i mean i had a i i changed my looks a lot so one day i was you knowi looked preppy the next day i actually had a mohawk back then i would like flip it over to theside so i guess you could say that i was kind of was it dyed black it kind of what it wasblack and blonde streaks okay um i had a friend this is back when reality tv was poppingHe had like the first tattoo reality show on the WB.
34:07Remember the WB?The WB with the frog and shit.They had the first reality show called the Tattoo Underground.Like he moved to Alabama.So I would go to Alabama and bring drugs up there.I was taking like trips every all the time and leaving my business with other people to handle while I was going.I would come back, refill them, leave again.Lavish trips.
34:30New York City.And I had friends in New York City.in the club sceneand theycouldn't geta lot of the glowso in my mindI was like
34:40I can get it to New York CityI can get it to Alabamain Shreveport LouisianaI can get it to Shreveport Louisianaso over timeI started to meetsome key that I brought inas my key players
34:54there was a guy named BradCarleenand Ericand they were likemy captains I guess you could sayyeahMafiaI can see the...
35:04Mafia.I can see the chart now with you here, and then there's a line, and it breaks up between those three,and then breaks up between 45 people beneath them.There is one, actually.So 60, there is one.60-man conspiracy.Yeah, that's crazy.Of the society.
35:21And then above it says the society.That followed me in prison, by the way.Poet Society.Yeah, don't fucking do this to me, Matt.The Poet Society.We're all with Grandma saying, you're...Colby, can we...Can we get him?
35:35Come on.This is great.I actually feel like grandma is sitting at the kitchen table explaining.Listen, poet, you're at the head of the society.And it's a society.Oh, Jesus.You're going to be a successful drug dealer.Yeah.
35:49Because she knows because she used to sling a little.Oh, right.You're going to have to have a nickname.We're going to go a poet.Remember the little poem you wrote me?What does grandma say about the tattoo on your arm?Oh, wow.My nickname.
36:03On your arm.This is horrible, guys.I'm never coming to the Matt Cox show again.So, so what, so you're, you're, you're the, you're the, you're the, I'm the celebritydrug dealer, celebrity drug dealer, basically.I mean, you know, I could give you a list of clients, but I'm not going to.Uh, I, I mentioned a few, but let's make them up.Yeah, no, don't.
36:29Don't, don't, man.We'll just, just, just, just your favorite celebrities right now, and I'll just,throw it in the intro and it'll sound like it'll say yeah we'll just put it on the thumbnail peoplebe like bro that's so fucked up that dude barely even mentioned uh brad pit you got brad pit on the frontno i never met him with doing blow and what's up and celebrity this this guy but the gameyeah that's the game so you know i had multiple girls youtube's a dirty game brosay multiple strippers multi yeah loved them you did you did too man i did i didn'tI'm a married man.
37:06Like, this comes back on.Luckily, she's not here.Luckily, she'll be sitting right over there and she'll just be like,and I can feel the heat on the back of my neck from the stair.Or she'll be upstairs and then she'll come walking down after and be like.Oh, yeah, just look at me.I'm like, did I hear a stripper?You know, I don't have, I don't have Matt Cox looks,
37:25so I can't get any girl I want.You know what I mean?That's right.Yeah.Listen, anybody can get.A stripper.Yeah, you're right.You know.
37:35Especially when you have next and a ton of fucking money, you can get whatever you want.And I did.Enjoyed it.I had a new girlfriend every week.It was awesome.Spending money, just blowing money, ridiculous amounts of money.I thought I was hot shit in a neighborhood.You know, the castle in Ybor City is on like a dead end street.
37:57Dead insent to like Palm.Right.If you're familiar with Yvore Matt.I've owned a couple properties.You know, yeah, yeah, he did.I own...You don't know the big-ass castle right there.It looks like a fucking castle.
38:08Yeah, I think I remember it.Yeah, I remember the name of the club.And I know there are several buildings in Ebor that look like a castle.Yeah, it's off the beaten path of its dead ends of palm.But anyways, I got to the point where I would show up to the castle in a limousine selling drugs.Whoever pulls over a limousine.yeah well who brings that kind of what drug dealer wants to bring that kind of attention to himselfme because i had no idea i had i thought i was truly untouchable right you know at that point
38:41because i mean i had loads of drugs in the limousine because you've been going for years soyou've been going for years you know i got minor i got it you know minor trouble but nothingthat i couldn't bond out the next day right kind of stuff so i i thought i was untouchable and on topof that carline everybody thought carline and i were together that's one of the key players in my team shewas a lesbian you know hardcore flannel shirt lesbian shot out to the lesbians of the worldbut she was dating gays for boes yeah she was dating a cop so i had a off-duty police officerselling drugs in the club for me as well um so with that in hand i really thought i was hot shitright um but yeah it's lonely at the top bro i had all these people had all these women money
39:35it's a classic story right yeah my heart goes out to you yeah thanksyeah fuck lonely at the top uh this is probably around 2006 early 2006February yeah 2006 um I was in anotherplace called the brass mug it was on fowler avenue hole in a wall rock bar i didn't live toofar from there at the time and that was one of my places i would go on tuesday nights with my entourage of guysand there was this you know two girls playing pool uh i knew one of them the other one was likeyou ever had love at first sight like the whole world stopped with this girl i was like holy shitwho is that i need to meet that girl i said
40:25Anna, you know, introduced me to her.She's like, okay, you know.She's like, that's a poet.And I'm thinking she's going to be like, oh, my God, you're a poet?Because most people did that at the time to me.So she did not, however.She's like, well, poet, who's that?You know, don't care.
40:41So I tried my best to impress this girl.Nothing I could do impressed her.Her name was Kara.She was like a really, like, bohemian, like, artist type girl.I just fell madly in love.at that momentandI started to slip away from the business
41:01and leave it in the hands of Brad,Carleneand Ericand my othercounterpartsand I would hang out with Karashe hated to call me poetshe would call me John
41:18we would do like artsy things togetherlike we would go to the riverwalkwas it the river walk back then but we would set up our easels and we would paint see i'm a painter like younot as good as you but we paint we would paint and write poetry she was an amazing poet uh she livedin like this art warehouse with a whole bunch of other you know fucking hippies right and we wouldyou know at night we would listen to simon and garfunkel on vinyl record and uh it was a beautifultime for me because i actually found someone that liked me for me shouldn't like me for the drugsthe money and she was actually frightened
41:55damn colby you messed up the storyfrightened you know yeah he's doing myover there she was uh yeah it just blew out of graham colby goodyou were talking about the tree hugger yeah the tree huggerdamn that's a good way to put it yeah she was cool uh i fell madly in love with herand everybody else and my team were like we need poet back man the clubs you knowSo two weeks into our little romance, I was like, you know what?I would marry you.
42:27She's like, I would marry you.So she said to me, she's like, there's a problem.She's like, if we're going to spend, you know, our life together, you know, there's no future in what you're doing.You need to get out of the business.You know, at the time, she suffered from, you know, a bad illness.She was bulimic.So if you're familiar with that, you know, she would throw up all the time.you know that kind of thing it was horrible man but she's thin yeah anorexic yeah which is
42:57nice yeah she was 88.5 pounds bro whoa how tall was she 5 2 yeah yeah bad you're not a big guyno you're a little guy I'm wondering I'm like 140 right now I used to be like a chick that'sone fucking that's 55 and 135 or 140 I mean I need to be able to take her in a full if it comes down toit you have to be able to take your girl in a fair fightYou know, I think I can take a jit chick that's 90 pounds.I could, yeah.It was great.So I was like, well, you don't have a good life expectancy doing that either.
43:32So we kind of made a pact of promise that she would not throw up anymore and I would quit drug dealing.So two weeks later, we get married.Ridiculous.Go ahead.Yeah, thanks.Fuck.Thanks.I feel like it's going to work out.
43:49Is she in the car now?No.Yeah. So we get married and I hold this extravagant party at the Hilton and Tampa, a fucking drug dealer retirement party. Who throws that kind of shit? You know, I did. They brought me a cake. It had like little icing with pills on it and lines of, you know, glow, you know, icing, of course. And at this big retirement party. I was giving it all up. You know, people were left scrambling. Like, what are we going to do? Blah, blah, blah. I still had a pile of drugs that that I, because I stillmy guy. I always owed him. I forgot how much it was at the time. I think I owed him maybe 30,40,000, something like that. I ended up, I told her, I said, the deal is that whenever I can pay himoff, I'll get out. So I did. I paid him off. I got out of the business. I still had a stash ofdrugs. I had a good amount of money at the time. Her and I got a place together. We had a honeymoonin St. Augustine, Florida.
44:50It was a poor, strong carriage, bottles of champagne.I'm still thinking I'm living that drug dealing life.Well, no, because I don't have that, you know, money coming in like I used to.And I got me a little rinkety-de-deen job.I figured I had to give me a job because I'm, you know, married now and not a drug dealer.Right.You know, when we would get short on money, I would tell her, well, I have these drugs, you know.She's like, no, you're not selling them.
45:20I'm like, what the fuck are we going to do with them?They're just sitting here, you know?She's like, you made me a promise that you would not sell drugs anymore.I'm like, yeah, you're right.Then you got to start stripping.Yeah, you got to start doing something.You got to eat something and, you know, do that.Beat her a sandwich and send her off to Scarlet.
45:37There you go.Scarlet's, no.Fuck, 2001.Bro,2001 is like the worst.I've never been in now.No, no, no, I've never been in Mons before.Mons is, it's bottom of the barrel, bro.
45:50It's been like 2001 and Mons are bottom of the barrel.Like, Scarlet's in Dollhouse are at least, you know,semi-top tier.If there is such a thing as a top-tier gentleman's club,it would be Scarlet.When I used to go to Scarlets for the steak.Yeah, sure.When, you know, they had like a restaurant, they had, like, it was like a top tier.
46:14Gold club.Gold club.Like, that was like nice, like, if you, like I said, if you could say, you had to say, you had to rank one.And say that from one to, then those were the better ones.But yeah.So she wouldn't let me.And we spent our days, I would work my little rinket eating job.And, you know, she worked at the same place I did.
46:36You know, money dwindled.Money dwindled.But we spent our days.you know painting writing poetry was a beautiful time for me you know probably the best time of mylife you know i was free and clear out of the business everything was good one day we're paintingon the back porch she disappears i'm like what the fuck is going on here i go into the bathroom to findher and she's hunched over the tool of throwing up again and i'm like well we made a promise thati wouldn't sew drugs and you want to do this anymore so i felt like my whole life you know our
47:09Our love is based on a lie, blah, blah, blah.I was so immature, bro.I regret it.She's got a, a fucking problem.I fucking regret it, dude.And that's the part where I cry on another shows whenever I talk about this.We talked about this.Yeah, we're not doing the crying.
47:26This isn't a crying episode.You know, if I felt, if I thought it was, I would, I would chime in with a question.Yeah, I broke down on Nelson, Nelson Rodriguez, on her, among the.thieves when I talked about this part.Yeah.You know, celebritydealer podcast isn't reallylike an emotional podcast.
47:46Yeah.Shout out to Miranda Lambert.You know what I was going to say I haveoh gosh.I wanted to mentionit for the hook.Have you ever seen the movie?Come on, Matt.
48:03It's called the powder cake.It's a drug dealer.it Daniel Craigis it CraigDaniel Craigthe guy who plays007 yeahhe's in it
48:16it's a greatdrug dealer movieand he could beDaniel Craiglike I mean they've got the samethe light colored hairthe blue eyesfair skin
48:27what is it calledpowder cakeI have to watchyou never seeit's fucking greatit's it's greatand so funny toobecause the whole time
48:35he's got a planto get outof the business like the whole thing is that's my life yeah it's fucking great no it's a greatmovie like the whole movie is like wow this is great and he's great and and it's not like a drugmovie like it's not like grungy it's these are these are all very top-notch individuals for themost part of me you're still dealing with some drug addicts and stuff but great movie but it's but ithink some of the scenes and some of the things you've described could definitelyoh yeah yeah so right club i'm watching
49:07Yeah, so that happens.And he falls in love with this hot chick in the movie.Kara is extremely hot.Yeah.And the chick's thin.Yeah, she was extremely thin.Blonde hair.This chick has blonde hair.
49:19Was she a friend of somebody?Oh, yeah.Yeah, yeah.He meets her through a drug addict or drug dealer.It's ironic because as you're describing it, the scene that I'm watching, like this is happening.Oh, wow.The girl just comes up at the bar.Yeah, she's flirting with him.
49:34She's trying to, you know, go get in.Yeah.You know, listen, it's a great movie.It's a fucking movie.Great fucking movie.I'm surprised you haven't watched this.It's a great movie.No.
49:43Yeah, so, very immature.I thought she lied to me the whole time.Right.You know?So I left her, man.I left her.I went, I got a hotel.I took my safe of drugs with me.
49:56Packed up everything I had, went to a hotel.It's time to hit it, A-Bor.Yeah.Get rid of some of this.I disappeared.You know, I just, I kind of just stayed in that hotel.Like I said, I was never a drug guy.never got into the drugs that much and i just kind of wasted to go sell them oh well i'll get to
50:12that but i got to sell that shit off so march 10th 2006 we get married three months later that occursi'm in a hotel i'm just doing it's much low i can x as i can drinking as i can and just heldup in this extended stay motel on 60 state road 60 close steward city on the left there if you'regoing into you bore. Anyways, I stay there. One of my, one of my players in the game, John, hecalls me. He's like, I tell him what happened. And he's like, bro, just get over here. You know,get over to my house, man. He just wanted me to come over there because I had the drugs. Hedidn't really give a fuck about me as a person, right? So I go back, you know, I go to his houseand they're like, we need you back into clubs, man. And I was like, thinking of myself, well,
50:58Kara don't want me to sell drugs, right? I said, she lied to me. So I'm going to bebiggest fucking drug dealer I can be man I just kind of and just got crazy got back in touchwith Carly and Eric Carly and Eric and I just started to bring in people to sell drugsfor me I don't you know if you one of my guys could vouch for you cool I need you to sell drugslet's go sell drugs so drug so drug so drugs back to the townhouse I got the townhouse againand I'm buying more shit, taking more trips.But I'm putting in other people's names, my friend's names.So there's nothing really in my name.
51:39New York City, going to New York, Birmingham, Shreveport.I was making plans in these clubs, making plans in these states to transport.We did some dry runs to Alabama.But, you know, never kind of, nothing ever was solified, so to speak.If you wanted a number, I was probably making profit, profit in my pocket anywhere from 20 to 30,000 a week.Okay.Roughly.Back to my, you know, same guy I was getting this stuff from.
52:14And he was doing the same thing as I had the money to pay for the product.But he would give me, you know, double what I was going down there for.Right.Never ending, dude.He's like the first guy I ever dealt with in my life that.always had it was never a time where he was like no sorry can't find dry no it always had italways had it and if he's watching this i don't know if he's a fan i haven't talked to him inseveral years but uh we got to get him on here yeah no i don't know if you would go on this show
52:45but uh anywho uh 2007 comes around and um you know i would see carrow onein a while, but it was not the same.But every time we were together, you know, the lightning, the magic that happened,but I was still like a fucking dumb ass kid that, you know, we divorced.And I was just being reckless, man.I think the more fearless I became, I wasn't afraid to get caught anymore.I was just doing shit out in the open.Like, I was, I was becoming a massive target.
53:33Even though I was one before, but this time, I just, I thought that I could, you know, do whatever the fuck I wanted.And there was no consequences for my actions, you know.And that's a hell of a place to be in your mind.I don't know.I wish that.I don't wish that on anyone.So bringing in, you know, a team of people there, uh, they brought in this kid.named Luke he started to hang out with my crew and everybody wanted to be with poet because
54:05I was the life of the party always throwing parties you know money I even threw a big assdivorce party you know my dumb ass at the Tampa hard rock I rented out the whole pool sectionand bought all my boys sweets and it dumb dumb dumb if I had it if I had that money now but umLuke Brad was doing his thing on the side he saw this kid ended up stealing like hispound of green and you know he called me I'm like well we got to find Luke like what thefuck let's find this kid get your money back you know we ended up finding them we uh like meLuke um me Eric and Brad we like beat the kid up pretty bad and we didn't get the money orweed back and I kind of told everybody you know stay away from this fucking kid man like he's bad
54:56bad for business like I don't want any of you to hang out with them nothing I don't wantthem around you know so I was going I had a plan trip I was going back to New York tofinalize my my drug exploration so I was going to New York for two days then I was flyingback to refill everybody and I was going to fly to Shreveport Louisiana for anotherthree or four days and I was coming back so we there waswas a house party going on and this this kid luke who we beat up he like got this tattoo on himof a gun a five shot revolver that said here's mine where's yours he was going around town yeah wheni see poet i'm going to shoot him i'm like oh shit you know this kid's going around town saying
55:47he's going to shoot me i'm like all right i'm not worried about it so the house party's going onI'm leaving in the morning to go to New York.So I stopped by the house party.It was at Carleen's house.And Carleen.Can we stop?Carleen's house party.Your worst guest ever, man.
56:05No, no, we've had worse.Yeah, thanks.Borderline.Yeah, we've had, we've had guests where they could have to go to the bathroom and me and Matt.Yeah, we're staring each other like, what are we going to do?Yeah, you guys were doing that.I can feel it through the walls.If we did, I wouldn't have brought that up.
56:22I wouldn't have said it.Yeah, you're fine.This is good.The first 10-15 minutes.See, you're yawning.Here we go.Yawning because, you know, he told me.My story is so much better than Ness, man.
56:31Well, so much better than Ness.A celebrity dealer is a good story.Yeah, that's a good story.The problem is, I feel like you're holding back.Names.That's the problem.We need names.No, I ain't giving any names.
56:42I gave you some already.All right, we were on.We're good.Yeah, so you had just said something about Kaeline's house.Our Carlene, yeah.Carleen, yeah.Kailin, Carleen.Carlene.
56:52Dating the copThat wasBeef.Anyways, yeah,Carlene's houseAnd she had like a little party house too.So Carleen lived there.Eric lived there.
57:06Brad did not live there.But party going on.I was leaving for New York.Trying to, you know,refill everybody,collect my money.Right.So I can go on my trip.
57:17Make sure everybody was good.The weekend I was gone.I asked CarlyWhere's my money? Let me, let's get this done here.It was like $3,000.She's like, well, there's a problem.I'm like, what?She's like, the money's gone.
57:31I'm like, well, who's in the fucking house?Like, well, she's like, well, you know, all the people I mentioned were there.And I'm like, well, they wouldn't steal from them.They worked for me.I mean, why the fuck would they steal from me?Drug dealers wouldn't steal from each other.Yeah.They're known to be such honorable.
57:44Right, we are.Yeah.But she goes, well, there's a problem.I let Luke stay here for a couple days.We had a discussion about not trusting Luke and not having Luke around.Yeah.And he's upstairs with the gun.I'm like, oh, fuck.
58:02This guy's going to fucking shoot me, man.You know, I don't have a gun on me.So, and he was sleeping upstairs, thankfully.I went up there and I got his gun from him.Nice.Yeah, good, right?Got the gun from him and brought him downstairs.Not at gunpoint, just brought him downstairs.
58:22There's, hey, man, like, where's my money?And, you know, I know you robbed the money.You robbed it from Brad.Now you're robbing from, you know, not me directly, but my money.Right.Indirectly.Now, he kept on denying it.No, no, no, I didn't do that.
58:39And more he denied it, the more I got aggravated with it.And I said, okay.I said, well, or, you know, I don't know why.I was just angry.I was really just agitated about the whole situation.And the whole year when I got that divorce,I just kind of felt like everybody was around mefor the money and the drugs anyways.
59:03She.Do you think?Yeah, fuck.Okay.Yeah, you got it.You get the picture here.So the more he-I'm starting to think we're not friends.
59:13Yeah.I'm starting to think you guys are using me for drugsand stealing from me.Yeah.go yeah Luke so uh i was like okay well i'm gonna kill you if you don't give me my fuckingmoney and uh he's kept on denying it so he went for his gun and it wasn't there he was in mypocket yeah it was actually in my hand at the time oh okay so uh i told i was like we're goingwe're we're gonna go you're gonna get your shit you're gonna put it in your truck and
59:46well i'm gonna get in brad's vehicle i'm gonna fucking kill youif you don't come up with my money.So two vehicles.Eric's driving his truck.He's in the passenger seat.I'm in Brad's vehicle.In the passenger seat,Carlene's in the back seat.
01:00:01We end up driving out to Hernando County on a dirt road.We parked the cars.I tell him to get out of the vehicle.He gets out the vehicle.I said, I'm going to ask you one more time.Where's my money?He didn't say nothing to me.I don't know if he thought I was going to,
01:00:17I was bluffing or what, but he didn't say,fucking word so i unloaded the whole five-shot revolver on him and i hit him once in the chestonce he once i hit him once in the chest he cowered out into his truck i was out of bullets at thispoint because it was his gun well wait a second how far i mean did you miss are you saying you missedhim no it was a five-shot snub-nosed revolver so that them guns are not good at long distance and it was acar length away okay he would i was in this vehicle the front vehicle he was in the back vehicle and thepassenger seat. So I got out of the vehicle I was in. He got out of the vehicle he was in. And I askedhim about my money. And I just unloaded the whole gun, all five shots. Two of them hit the door.
01:01:02The third bullet is the one that got him. Hit him in his chest. Hit him in the shoulder, actually,and the bullet traveled into his lung. Once he cowered into his vehicle, Eric doused the wholetruck with gasoline, lit the truck on fire. You didn't think this is where this was going todigital. You didn't see this coming.This was a fun-loving storyIt was a fun-loving story up until thisAnd the country singerCame out and started singing her country tune
01:01:29Asked me for some blowNo, that did not happenBut yeah, we lit it on fireI thought he was deadDo you have any ideaHow this does not fitYour personality at allSince you walked in the door
01:01:46Since the conversationThe whole thing is just soout of character yeah i know but that's what the drugs the money the women that lifestyle will doto you is think that you're fucking untouchable and that you're a fucking gangster everybody's afucking gangster until it's time to do gangster shit yeah uh and in my head i was like you knowhe was dead that's that's destroyed the evidence by burning him alive or burning his body inthe vehicle because you thought he was dead right i thought he was dead okay so i have a question forreal quick um what is everybody else like is everybody just going on nobody stop that's the thing
01:02:25nobody's saying like nobody's screaming no stop wait we can't do this they're all like nobody stoppedme there was no conversation it was nothing it was it was it was a strange day yeah to say the leastyeah very surreal yeah you know brad is in you know his vehicle i'm in i get back in a passenger seatOrleans in the backseat.Eric comes running up, jumps in the backseat.And this is early morning now.You know, it's still kind of, it's still dark out.And the whole truck's ablaze.
01:02:59I can see it in the rearview mirror.And we pull off and I just see this ball of fire coming out of the truck.Screaming, a scream I never, I don't even want to put in my head.It was just horrendous fucking scream.And in that moment, I was like, oh, the untouchable shit, that everything kind of crumbledin my mind and I'm like what thefuck did I just do you knowdid you go back
01:03:25no like to make sure this guywe kept going and I was likewhat am I going to do you knowI have no I have nooh you've no more bullets I have no more bulletsbecause it was his gun five shotsright but I'm not I'm notI'm not a killer
01:03:40broyeah obviously rightyour first and only attempt didn't go wellno did notSo you drop and roll or did he?I don't know.We were gone.Peel it off.
01:03:53I threw the gun out the fucking window not far from the crime scene.Did they find it?No,never did.And I even, yeah, I even told the police I would go back and show them where it was at, you know.And they never, they were like, yeah, no.But, you know, in that moment, I'm like, what the fuck did I become, man?You know, what kind of person am I to take a human fucking life or to try to take a human life?
01:04:16Or to try to take a human lifeLike, there's never a violent personLike itI'm like, damn manYou know, it was a come to Jesus moment for meAnd I started to get in a panic modeLike I gotta get the fuck out of hereLike I gotta get out of town man
01:04:30Because we're gonna fucking find out about this shitUmHe survived thankfullyYou knowThe current dayUh 47% of his body's third degree burn scarredThe bullet is still inin his lung.
01:04:48He wheezes when he breathes.Every breath he takes, he wheezes.I mean, no.The guy was a piece of shit, man.But who deserves that, bro?I mean, it looks like Freddie fucking Kruger.You know, his chest and his,his third degree burn his chest and his legs,
01:05:04mainly, not his face or anything.But who fucking deserves that, you know?The tattoo, the same tattoo he got that he was going to,you know, the hears mine, wears yours with the gun.Right.They had a skin grafted.And now it's like upside down on his stomach.um just fucking brutal bro and i'm not not that guy right uh it still fucks me up to this day
01:05:26to i played god you know i could decide if to take someone's life or not over somebullshit over three thousand dollars you know what the fuck did um didum what happened with him did he i mean obviously i'm assuming yeah they had something to sayYou know, it's morning time at this point, you know, a passy motorist found him on the side of the road naked.I'm talking about, poet shot me, poet shot me, poet shot me.They, you know, they called the police and airlifted him to, you know, Tampa General.Thankfully, he survived.Thank God he survived.
01:06:09Because I wouldn't be sitting in this chair today.You know, for someone to, like, sit in this chair.And on your show to either brag that they try to kill someone or kill someone, you know,I don't know how a person can do it psychologically because it's fucked with me every day of my life.You know what I mean?It's not.Okay.Sorry.
01:06:32Yeah, it's not, it's not cool.It's not cool to try to take a life or to kill someone, it's my point, you know.Right.when did the I'm assuming that he told they know where the police knew where you were they wentyeah I mean my name my name they you know his sister knew me right so of course you knowpoet who's poet oh that's John Thornton you know the king of the underground John Thorntonthat guy you know the society leader um I freaked out I didn't go to New York obviously but Ialready had a plane ticket for Shreveport because I was doing the two days in New York,
01:07:14then I was going three days to Shreveport to do, you know, I was going to put together somedeals there. I still took that trip to Shreveport. I scrambled, panicked, you know,went with Carleen, went to Shreveport. Eric drove up in a car. At this point, they're, you know,trying to, they're searching for me. I'm all over the news. We're in Shreveport. And I'mI tell Eric, I hatch a plan.I'm like, listen, I got a, I got a little bit of money.I have a whole shitload of drugs back in Tampa.I was like, he was Mexican.
01:07:47Eric was, you know, from Mexico.I was like, we're going to go to Mexico.We're going to get different identities.We're going to do some Matt Cox type shit.And we're going to live on a villa somewhere forever.That's how it's going to go.And Eric is panicking.We're in a casino in Shreveport.
01:08:03He's panicking.We're both drinking.You know, he says, I'm,I'm just going to turn myself in, man.And I'm like, well, you're going to fucking, you know, fuck that shit.Dude, we're not doing that.We're going to Mexico.Him and I get into an argument.
01:08:17He leaves the casino.He gets picked up by the police for drunken disorderly.He never tells on me at that point.They arrest him.Never come and get me.They have no idea I'm there, I guess, you know.So the next day I try to bail him out of jail,I get in contact with the police officer that was on my team.
01:08:38and she's like yeah there's a bond you can go thereget them out and I'm like well there's warrants from my arrest everywhereI'm like going not going to go there so I send carlineto do that to go there and she goes and like her whole carswarmed in tree port and she tells me yeah they're after youbut you need to get the fuck out of Dodge so I I run to BrownsvilleTexas so I'm in Brownsville Texas watching the borderto go into Mexico.
01:09:09Eric did have some connections in Mexico because he's from there and that, you know,he could get me passports or whatever I needed to change my identity.I tell Carleen to come meet me in Brownsville, Texas.She does.I thought you said they surrounded her car.She did, but they didn't know they weren't after her at that point.They were surrounded the car looking for me.And okay, so they don't have a warrant for her, so they let her go.
01:09:33Correct. Right.She meets me in Brownsville, Texas.Just her and I in Brownsville, Texas.And much of the same thing.Like she's panicking.She's going to go turn herself in.I'm like, they're not even after you yet.At this point, they were.
01:09:47We didn't know because they already picked up Brad back in Tampa.And Brad gave up everybody.As he should.I don't think that they're snitching, bro.You know, as they should.They should have done that because we almost took a human life.So fuck you out.Snitch me out.
01:10:02I didn't care.I was mad about it at the time.care um so they pick up brad carline freaks out i was like well go back to tampa carline you knowturn yourself in you know snitch me out i don't care you know do whatever i said you have atotal where all my drugs were at i was like sell the drugs off you know give me some of the moneyi'll be in here in mexico you know so i run off into mexico and i'm hanging out in metamorosmexico uh you know kind of freaked out about what i did but i was trying to draw myself with alcoholso I didn't think about it.
01:10:39You know, curling turns herself in.She, you know, is willing to testify against me as well.So now that you have Eric locked up, you know, all three of them locked up except me.So the manhunt begins, you know.I was only gone.I think the whole, I was on the run for about three weeks-ish.I'm running out of money in Mexico.As you know, on the run, it's hard to maintain when you have no money.
01:11:06so i come back into uh brownsville texas at the border uh entry point there and of course that'swhere they you know arrest me at because everybody and their fucking mom is looking for meyou know give me your yeah your ID they no i didn't make it to that point like they got mein the line oh okay you know because carline done told them where i was at yeah so they werewatching that border pretty thick um so they got meThere, I stayed in Brownsville, Texas County Jail.You know, the van comes to pick me up to bring me back to Fernando County.On the way there, we stop in Shreveport, Louisiana to pick up Eric.
01:11:48So it's Eric and I in the van, and, you know, he's totally freaked out by the whole thing.And I told him, I said, Eric, just, you know, I kind of, I knew I was going to spend probably the rest of my life in prison at that point.I kind of just fuck it, you know.I was like, just tell him whatever, bro.I don't care.You know, put it all on me.This is all on me any fucking way.I don't care what you do.
01:12:11You know, get to the county jail.And they were pretty much, you know, Luke survived,but they were going to give me like 25 years.Like, this carries about 25 years, you know.At that same time, Luke heals up.You know, they can't remove the bullet in his lung.He moves to Texas.And while he's in Texas, he ends up, like, robbing a drug dealer, go figure.
01:12:43And he gets picked up for drug traffic and charges.And they, you know, arrest them.So my lawyer, the state, they have to go out there and do depositions and all that shit on them.You know, I'm looking at 25 years.I actually signed for 25 years because I'm thinking they're going to give me life.So I'll do 25 years.This is all on me anyways.So they go out to Texas and they interview them.
01:13:09And in my discovery, which I have with me today,because they don't check paperwork in the state.Breyer.They, uh,what does he say?He tell,this is the point where it's like,man,
01:13:27it fucks with me because he tells the state that he wants to see everybody prosecuted.the crime except me and in my newspaper article you can read it the state's attorney saysthat the victim is not overly sympathetic doesn't want to see anybody go to he wants to seeeverybody go to prison except me he says if i go to prison that would be detrimental to him beinga part of my group the society and you can read that in a newspaper article that's what this guysays to him. So now theyplagued me as this fuckingcult leader?
01:14:08Yeah. You can read it in a TampaBay Times. Why does he say that? What?I have no idea, brother. I guess Ibecause of all the money andthe popularityI had and I guess he justwanted to be a part of that. So heI don't know. I can't wrap my head
01:14:25around. I never talked to the guy since. I don't know.And in mydiscovery I read that I havethat before he wrapped Brad with the greenlike he like cleaned his mom's banking account outlike he had a track record of doing this to likeeverybody that he ran acrossand it's done me like
01:14:43dude I almost fucking killed youyou go to Texas and you do some dumb shit manand then get caughtyeah what the fuck is wrong with youif I got shot and fucking burn broI would be in a pew every Sundaypraising fucking Jesus you knowI mean maybe he just felt like
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01:15:30He lied about the whole thing.But you can read that in the article.I had it coming.That kind of thing.You know what I'm saying?Yeah.The state's attorney, you could, it was the craziest shit ever, man.So Carleen and Brad, they gave them probation if they would testify against us.
01:15:51Didn't Brad, isn't Brad the one that doused him with?No, that's Eric.Oh, okay.I was going to say it.Brad, it's Eric.And I'm thinking, I'm like, bro, I'm going to get off on this shit.Like, they're going to literally let me walk out of here.So Eric, what did you, Eric?
01:16:07So Eric, they gave Eric and I matching sentences, 10 years and five years out.That's not bad.But Eric, Eric, at the end, they gave me the 10 and the 5, and I was on my way to prison.And, you know, at the end, Eric was like, no, poet held me at gunpoint.Oh, God.And made me...You already unloaded the fucking gun.Yeah.
01:16:31I mean, you didn't get him, tell him to throw the gasoline on.You've already unloaded the gun.There's no bullets.It's the most insane.He's just doing that and try to save his ass, you know.I don't blame him.You know, I'm not mad at Eric.It's all good, bro.
01:16:42But did that...Well, I'm not talking about being mad at him.I'm talking about just stupidity.Like, to me, that, like, he didn't take that deal.Did he get a better deal?No, he got the same.He got the same.Okay.
01:16:52So he...Because in my newspaper, you can read that as well, where the state was,like because he ends up writing the letter to the judge and I'm a fear for my life that dayand because poet was going to kill me if I'd let him just come on man stop it but uh he gotthe same as me 10 and 5 you know I actually looked them up a couple days ago before I came onjust to see like where's he at like because they deported him to Mexico okay and he's looks likehe's doing well man looks like he has two kids I mean would you look him on Facebook yeah yeahhe's he's doing all right so Eric's doing all right
01:17:26And I'm glad that all that happened.I'm glad everybody did what they did because, you know, I shouldn't have done that shit, man.Yeah.But they got over on me pretty good because Carleen had out all that stashed drugs I was talking about.You know, never, she never told the cops about it.All right.And she ended up buying a fucking beach house, living lavish in a fucking beach house with my fucking drug money.Yeah, but she's probably a very empty person.
01:17:55She's probably very empty.But she violated probation and went to prison anyways.So there you go.And she was the lesbian, right?Yeah, the lesbian.I mean, come on.Yeah.That's like summer camp for her.
01:18:07Yeah.She's probably very popular.And I didn't have a rough time in prison.You know, you would think I was 118 pounds, small white guy.You would think I would have a rough time.But I did not.When I got to, you know, the CFRC, I knew people there for.the night moves uh my cellmate at it's funny i failed to mention this my cellmate in the county jail
01:18:33was a guy that i used to sell drugs to at night moves so like eight months of me in the countyjail my cellmate knows me wants me to recant all these crazy stories and tell the stories aboutdrugs and money and all that stuff and i feel like you're i see you entering the prison andeveryone going poet yeah no it it's crazy becauseYou're like, yeah, yeah, society.Yeah, yeah.Don't do the salute.God, dog, don't do that.
01:19:03That wasn't a Nazi salute.That was just the, yeah, yeah, yeah.That was the society, the society, poet.It never had a name for the love of God, never had a name.We do.The first rule of the society is we don't talk about the society.Oh, Jesus.You're too much.
01:19:23You are too.I love you.No homo.I love you.For real.No, did he?You may, yeah, yeah.Oh, God, you're great.
01:19:33So, you go in.Yeah, I knew people at every prison.So, you know, I still dealt with shit.You know what I mean?Yeah.But it was the, what people paint prison.It was not like that for me.And I, my first prison was Liberty Correctional.
01:19:50And that was the most violent prison in the state of Florida at the time.Still is.I mean, people were getting beat up,stabbed that kind of shit you know air conditioning no there's no air conditioningstate i know there's climate controlled that's my first thought my first thoughtevery time i think about state prison is i think no there's fucking ac food horrible you have anyidea how important ac no most people in the world even the united states those those squarenorthern states yeah there's a bunch of them they don't realize how important air conditioning is
01:20:25right in Florida yeah like these are people like they're like yeah what's the big deallisten prior to air conditioning like you use unlivable here it's unlivable I I'm not oldenough to remember that by the way I'm just saying you got I think nine years on me how old are youI'm 46 I'll be 47 in August yeah well that's typically how it goes yeah some people skip itDo you want me to, do I have a few minutes?So I'll give you a nail biter.Nail biter.Yeah, but.
01:21:00But this is me on three cups of call.Yeah.I'm sorry.In prison, I realized that I thought I was the biggest, baddest motherfucker on planet Earth.There was a lot more bigger and better motherfuckers in prison, you know?You mean prior to prison, you thought you were the biggest bad.Right, right, right.In prison, you realize.
01:21:17No, no, no, that gangster shit.No, there's some real gangsters in there.scary fuckers scary motherfuckers man but all my times in the nightclubs and knowing how to navigatethrough the night clubs i used that in prison i just knew how to navigate knew how to kept my headdown you know showed people respect they showed it to me uh throughout my my my whole 10 years i haveno d r history i never got in trouble did you do 10 years or did you get you got eight and a halfof course okay did you get halfway house no no they want to let me because of the violent crimebecause I was the leader of the society, Matt.
01:21:52Come on, they don't do that to big drug lords.They don't want you taking over the halfway out.Yeah.Fuck.Conversion, converting people.So, nail biter, sorry.Okay, you want me to do a nail biter.Nail biter, you know, 20, around 2012, I'll wrap this up real quick.
01:22:08Nail biter, here it is.The fuck you, to me, the cake in my face.You ready for it?Yeah, 2012, Kara and I start to write again when I was in prison.And she was doing well at FSC.Yeah, FSU.She was very popular.Yeah.
01:22:23And I'm thinking, oh, it's our love fantasy again.We're writing poetry and art through letters.And I get a letter and she goes, I have to tell you something.I'm like, what's that?And I'm like halfway through my sentence at this point.And I'm like, what's going on, you know?And she goes, I got in touch with Luke.And, you know, I drove out to Texas to see him.
01:22:44And they started to have a relationship together.my first wife Kara and Luke my victim okay sorry yeah um okay so when you i thought you meantthat she was lost i thought that well what's the girl that was involved in the crime carlinecarline i'm sorry i got them confused so that carroll is my first wife carroll's the first wife okay yeahmy fault she reaches out to luke to just to see how he was doing uh did she know him no she met himI think once or twice.Okay.But she just wanted to see how he was doing.
01:23:21And they were living together in FSU while she was writing me.They didn't last long because guess what Luke did?He started, he robbed her.He ripped her off.Yeah, stole her money, drugs.He was shooting drugs at this point.But they had a little short relationship together.And I told her in a letter, I was like, you know, I wish you guys the best,
01:23:40but I don't really don't want to talk to you anymore, you know?Right.How could you fucking do that to me, basically?uh when i get out of prison in 2015 i try to reach out to her um and she was like i have nothingleft for you or me you know that's that the nail biter yeah that was it she has my first wifethe love of my life started a relationship with my victim you know i'm sorry that was a nailbite her what would you like a nail biter as you want the you want the name of the country singeryes not giving it to you even after the show i'm not giving it to you we just come up with one
01:24:16I'm willing to sacrifice the reputation of a country singer, trust me.But, yeah, I'm doing well.I'm doing well now.To wrap it up, I'm doing well now as a former drug, you know, ringleader, the king of the underground, Mr.you know, the ringleader of the society.I've been out 10 years.I've, you know, face struggles, of course, like we all do.But I have a great job.
01:24:40I've been out, you know, at this job two years now, second chance company.I'm just living, man, you know.What does that mean?A second chance company means they hire felons.Right.But do they, have you ever heard people, because I've heard this before, that some companies,if they hire a felons, they give them a tax break?Have you ever heard that?
01:24:59That's true.Is that true?Yeah, it is true.But some companies say they hire felons and they don't.Right.Like Amazon, Coca-Cola, places like that.They say, we hire felons.I went to Amazon when I got out in 2015 to get a job.
01:25:11You're like, we hire felons, but we don't hire your type.Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know. Because it reads, my shit reads so fucking wild, man.By the way, my buddy Pete works. It works. My buddy Pete works at Amazon. Really? But he got the jobthrough the, and he's, he went to prison for double murder. Damn, I don't know how they,they deny me. Because it was through the, the halfway house. No, the halfway house, the halfway househas an agreement with the local. So once he's in, had he, and I think he told me that he said, had they nothad a contract, a placement contract, I probably wouldn't have gotten hired.Yeah.
01:25:47Listen, Pete's crime, the sheriff showed up.When he went at home, the sheriff showed up to say, we know you're here.We're going to be keeping an eye on you.Then they went to all the neighbors on the street and told him, want to let you know,the guy that's just released for a double murder.He's going to be living in that house over there, just thought you'd like to know.He's like, like, what a, yeah.What a welcoming.
01:26:13Have you seen Pete?Have you seen any of these episodes?No, I need to watch some.I'll send you one.Yeah, please do it.He's probably not what you're picturing.Oh, no, he's not what you're picturing at all.No.
01:26:22I'm also going to send you the, I'll send you the, um, the layer cake.Yes, please.I said powder cake before.It's the layer cake or layer cake.You said powder cake.Are we done or the later cake?Are we done or should I say some more?No, we keep going.
01:26:37No, this is all going in.Yeah, yeah.Okay.Nobody's watching at this point.All right.It doesn't have to eat.They watched the first 20 minutes and they're done with us.But I actually ran, I met up with, never met up with Eric again because they deported him.
01:26:51Never talked to Eric again.Right.I talked to Brad when I got out, him and I had a beer together.He was in and out of drug rehab, just riddled with drug abuse.It was kind of sad to see him like that.And he was really apologetic.I'm like, why are you sorry?You know what I mean?
01:27:07He was trying to apologize to me.I'm like, bro, I don't care about that shit, man.I never talked to Carlene again.To this day, I don't know where she's at.I have talked to the cop, or she's not a cop anymore.Just to trade stories like, that was pretty wild, you know, back then.Luke tried to reach out to me several times.I just never responded when I got on this TikTok journey a couple years ago.
01:27:36And I had no idea he was even my friend on TikTok.I was scrolling through.it was just about four months agoand there was himand just to see how he lookedand I was like wowthis guy's fucked up manyou know
01:27:48that's basicallylike I try to stay out of barsand nightclubs nowif Iwell I went to the castletrying to reminisce when I first got outand some of the people still work therelike these
01:28:02there's bartenders and door personnelthat work at the castle25 plus years nowthat's sadand dealgreat life guyslike brobut just walking in that building
01:28:13some of them was like open arms and others likeI got this scowl like oh my godthis evil man the king of the society is hereyeah yeah I tell you whatyou know I have a little place now I'm a little duplex nowand I have a roommate and she's never laid on rent broI never have to ask her for money I'm like it's it's fucking quickI mean at first of the month comes like 1201
01:28:38it's it's it'sworked in my my benefit yeah uh nobody's shortened me yeah that's right it's right uh fuck manthis is crazy bro sorry i didn't think this show was gonna be like this no no well it's funyou made it really fun and i really appreciate you man because i thought it was gonna be fuckingserious you're gonna be pounding me with questions uh colby is actually really cool he's not a skaterwith tattoos like i thought no i'll turn the camera for you yeah cameras that's that's thereal guy. Yeah. That's the man. Yeah, this show totally sucked. I hope you guys don't watch it.Mom, if you can't let me, if you can't make light of, you know, some, some unadulterated
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01:30:47people are always saying in the comment section they're always like what if a guest doesn'tsay sleep what do you do well i said oh i'll bring it up i'm yeah somebody saying sleepso be honest on a scale to one to ten how horrible was this interviewbe honest it really it's not bad yeah yeah the conversation that we had in the beginning of thepodcast i will take out because it's it's the beginning and it needs to get into the story but this parti can leave in yeah that's what's what's so it's a cool part we we have this conversation all the timeand i have this conversation with i know colby does too like there are guys that will walk out of hereand we're like ah that was all right and it'll get half a million views you're like what the hell
01:31:28and other people will walk out we'll go bro that was like oh my god i got i got iI got goosebumps.Like, it was riveting.It was amazing.Mind it.Not really.And you're like, you just, and then we've got, we've got some videos that all the comments are overwhelminglypositive.
01:31:44Like, what a phenomenal story.How amazing.How this.And you're like, wow, people love this guy.And it gets 25,000 views.And other ones where people are like, this guy's lying.He's full of shit.There's, he never this.
01:31:56That's not what happened.Yeah.And it'll get 400,000 views.And you're like, I.don't you know you just there's no way to predict what's going to do well and what's going toresonate with people i don't think i i don't think i'm a good storyteller to be honest and i'm tryingto hone that i'm trying to be a matt cox well practice practice that's all it is yeah this is onlymy third podcast too yeah you might want to get a drink a couple cups of coffee before you you start
01:32:27get a little bit more yeah but then again you don't exactly have a story that you probably should beoverwhelmingly, um, enthusiastic about you'd come off as insensitive. So you're, you know,I know what the, the ultimate, what's ultimately going to send you to prison. You see what I'msaying? Like I know that, but I also know that, you know, like, it's fucked up my life. Like,I go to, if I go somewhere and somebody recognizes me or something like that or my datinglife sucks, uh, you know, as soon as they're somebody Googles my name, it's over with. Like,I literally met girls off dating apps and I would give him my phone number and it would be like nothing because they must have, I don't know, they run my name and there you go.Listen, I let me tell you.
01:33:12I, exactly that I went on, what was it?I think it was Bumble.Yeah.And one time I had met this chick on Bumble and, you know, the whole thing and went to meet her at a restaurant.I mean, we're doing, like we're going to meet it for a restaurant.It's great.And as we're going, because we're still communicating through the app.She said, hey, I don't have a great cell service.
01:33:40Can you give me your cell number?So we don't have to go through the app.You know, there's a delay.The whole, I was like, sure, I sent her the cell number.She never shows up.And I waited 30 minutes.And I realized she's not answering.And then, of course, I'm trying to get to her through the app.
01:33:56And then suddenly...You're blocked.There's nothing.It's not just blocked.By the time I get back, the app is shut.They've kicked me off.She reports me because you're not allowed to be a felon.So she reports me.
01:34:09And then I went on another app that I had been using.I get kicked off that one too.So somehow or another, she finds me, and this is only a couple days later,finds me on the other app, boom, closes me down on that one too.And I thought, and then I've got people who are telling me I had actual, like a front of mine who was a female friend.Yeah.And she's like, you really, you're going to have to just use a complete alias.And then once the girl gets to know you, explain to her, I'm like, oh, that's even worse.
01:34:41Yeah.And now we're fucking four days in and what?I said, I'm banging some chick.We're four or five dates in and I'm hitting it.And then I'm like, oh, by the way, I'm a, my name's nice.It's great at family dinner.If I ever date a woman, you know, and I sit at the table.So tell me what you do for work, John, or what, you know, your life.
01:34:57I'm like, well.Oh, you can see.skip right over. I usually, I, I, you can, you can blend right over that if you have, if you have, well, I mean, I'm saying, like, if you went, I wouldn't. I would, I would, I lean into the whole thing all the time, but it's totally damaged me. Like jobs, I couldn't not find a job to save my life, uh, dating could not find it. Listen, I went on a date one time. I mean, you've got to have these stories. I went on date one time, first date. And as we're sitting there talking, she's like, I seem like a great guy. What's going, what's stuff with? And I said, I said, I said, I said, I said,there's there is an issue she's like your merit i'm like no i said just a little issue i said uh i isaid i i i recently got out of federal prison and she was like whatand i went for what yeah yeah i said not a big deal not a big deal i said i i committed bankfraud and i went to prison and now i'm out i said i'm out and i'm kind of start my life over againbut i think i should say that and and she was how long she's she's she was
01:35:59bank fraud she was how long did you go and i was like about roughly 13 years she's 13 yearsman we're in a fucking we're in place people are like what and i'm like oh it's not a big deal shestopped saying that she says they don't put people in prison for 13 years because it's not a bigdeal yeah and i'm sitting there thinking this ain't working out i already know this ain't workingout she's sounds out a little hysterical right and so i end up we're talking we start talkingi'm like i'm trying to calm her down but she's not having it it didn't work outAnd it was so funny, what happened was I, I ended up, what happened was, what happened was, I said, listen, I said, this is the way I look at it.There's two kinds of people, those people that understand the person I was, the things I've done, I said, and the person that I am today, I said, and there are those people that can go fuck themselves.
01:36:52Yeah.I said, so I said, you don't seem like, I'm still running at, even 10 years later, you know, 10 yearsI've been out of prison.I'm still learning that shit, man.Yeah.Because I don't like to be judged or, you know, like, oh, he's lying.I'm like, well, I'm still trying to learn to say, fuck you.What you guys say?
01:37:10Look, I'm not a liar.Okay.I'm just an attempted murderer.Like, this is a totally different thing.Like, I'm honest.I mean, it's worked on my behalf.I'm honest.In a lot of situations, this worked great, you know.
01:37:21Don't fuck with that guy.Yeah.In prison sometimes, you know, I'm like, yeah.Yeah, the quiet guy in the corner.That's the guy you got to worry about.But I never had a problem.in prison. I knew people andI would spend my days like
01:37:32they wouldn't want to hear crazy stories and I wouldtell them the stories of hanging outwith certain country artists.No.And the Jason.No, not Jason.Yeah, the guy that played MichaelMyers. Yeah, Michael Myers. Wait, that's
01:37:49Halloween. Yeah, Halloween.Yeah. He played in the firstHalloween movie. He was the unmaskedMichael Myers.And I, oh, yeah, I forgotto tell you this that uh unmasked michael my the first one here's a cool here's something cool forthe show but what uh this guy him and i became very close i met him when i got out of prisonwhenever he got out of prison boston george george young oh okay they made the movie blow yeah i know
01:38:16johnny well maybe they no he died yeah he died yeah four years ago but i spent the last two yearsof his life with him where was this in miami was he in miami no he was living back in bostonOh, Massachusetts.Didn't he get, did he get back with his ex-wife?No, he met this girl while he was in prison.Her name was Rhonda.Oh, shout out to you, Rhonda.But yeah, he was kind of doing this book tour, tour kind of thing.
01:38:44I met him through this guy named Antonio, and we hit it off.Because he was on a grander scale than I could ever imagine.But him and I had similarities.I do have a question.Sure.Because when I was locked.up the guy that was kind of he was I don't want to say he was I don't know he was I don't know howto say it he was an advocate for for for Boston George yes amazing dude most amazing guy ever
01:39:14man well I knew I knew one of the guys who was a sally with him for about six months he said hewas an asshole really yeah um he got drunk he could be well this was like most people I knowthat knew him or had interactions with him in prison said like fucking dick they were likecompletely dick dude was cool as cool and that's cool but um and that's cool but uh this guyused to communicate with him all the time like they would go visit him everything and when i gotout of prison i always wanted to look him up and his name was george young oh no the guy you'retalking about i'm sorry i tell you talking about i'm nervous man i'm jokingCarlos Lader?
01:39:57Wasn't Carlos Lader.No,Carl Sleaders locked up.He's gone.They deported him.He got out a few years ago.I understand.But when I was locked up,
01:40:04this is a guy that was going to visitGeorge Young,Boston, Boston George,whatever, George Young.He was going to visit him regularly.I mean, they're going there.He's buying him hamburgers.He's putting money on his books, everything.
01:40:19Then he started coming to visit me.Okay.His name was Eric Hill.Okay.And I always wanted.wondered, but you, Eric Hill is so common.Yeah.So I've got out and I've tried to look him up on Facebook.
01:40:33Like I knew he lived in Texas.I tried to look at him up.You're saying, he flew in one time to see me.Wow.Actually, it was twice.I think he came to see me twice.He would put money on my books.Like he was, yeah, it was a super cool guy.
01:40:44We would, um, and, you know, he was a good guy.And, um, but then I forget what happened.Like basically we just kind of faded.Yeah, you know, it fased.Right.After a prison.Right.so he just you know stopped uh coming around and um but i was wanted to look him up because
01:41:02he was a super hyper guy too he was he was insane yeah but i always wanted to look him up uh but i cani can't find i have great stories with george and i like i said two years last two years of his lifelife with him the documentary they did famous without the fortune george is wearing that black dressshirt like i i have that black dress shirt encased in glass above my bed at my house okay uh they sentit to me. I was actually going to goto his funeral. Johnny Depp wasgoing to be there, but Johnny Depp wasgoing through the Amber Heard stuff at the time.
01:41:32Oh, okay. So Johnny Depp didn't make it.But I was like,I want to meet Johnny fucking Depp. This is going to be cool.But he was like a dad to me, man.We would talk about stories abouthis time. And he had like total recall.He could tell you storyafter story after story. Some of the stuff they don't play
01:41:48in the movie, of course.But yeah,I've heard that about him like you were saying.He was an asshole, but no, he, he, he was, you ever heard the term about Hawaii?Like, the island either accepts you or denies you.You ever heard that about Hawaii?No.Yeah, there's like some weird thing about the island that it will spit you out or will accept you.
01:42:08And now it's kind of like George.He would either accept you or, you know, become your immediate friend or you're a nobody to him.Well, he must have hated Eric's guts because Eric said he would scream at him and yell at him.And my buddy who was his roommate for, I don't know,months or a year or something like that uh he would say he's like look like he was like he wouldhe'd yell at inmates he'd scream at people he's no you know i never got that you know you know buti'm but then again i don't think that my buddy um it was uh anthony curt his name's anthonysaid i never had a problem with him he's like but i've seen him just scream at people and yell
01:42:46he's like i mean he would just he is it was it was ridiculous he's like he was yeah he was totallyawesome guy man nothing bad to say about him uh iI think about them, probably on a daily basis.I loved him, man, very much.Really cool, you know.And he was like, you ain't shit to me, poet.You know, he had that raspy voice.You know what he told Eric, he told Eric, when Eric had sent him my manuscript.
01:43:16And he said, did you read the manuscript?And he said, yeah, I read it.And he goes, tell your boy, he said he didn't steal enough money.That's the problemHe called me kidThat was his nickname for meHe would call meHey kid I'm coming to Tampa
01:43:31I'm gonna come stay with you during the Super BowlI'm like all right GeorgeAll right GeorgieCome onYou know justLove this scotchIt was coolEverywhere he went like
01:43:42You knowWhenever I was hanging out with himHe was in a wheelchair boundAt that pointA brown root crew spiderLike bit his fucking toe on the beachin California or some shit and his toe like totally like rot it off and he had to get itamputated and so he was like in a fucking wheelchair did he ever reconnect with his daughter yeah he did
01:44:05yeah i had heard that but yeah they try to create a little small business together you know theboston george gear type shit yeah like they could just never get it right you know sowell and then i had from eric i had heard that somebody had uh somebody had the well all the websitestied up with his name and problem with george is he was looking for a fast buck with anybody sohe would sell his life rights to anybody if you came with a contract he would sign it if youso there's like probably like 30 fucking people with the boston george rights right now you knowhis wife ronda uh domestic partner whatever you want to call her she's been fighting for thatstuff i guess there's a strain out in california with the boston george and she's been
01:44:46trying to fight that because she's she doesn't live good i think she works at subwaybro right you know i mean there's no there's no happy ending to drug dealers there's none not noteven mine i mean i i'm not i'm not in prison but i don't have that fucking happy end you wouldthink boston george's wife is living this fucking dream of a life no he got out with nothing he gotout and and it's it's difficult for these guys to get out and put their lives back together becausei think they're yeah i feel like they're chasing that high or something and yeah if you'reIf you get out of prison and you're humble and appreciative, I think things come much easier to youbecause you're willing to work slowly for them.
01:45:27And if they don't happen, you're still just happy to be out of prison and happy to be, you know,be able to turn the TV, watch YouTube.It's free.And, you know, like that sort of thing.And I think a lot of these guys, they get out and they think, yeah, I'm going to do thisand I'm going to do that.And then everything collapses and falls apart.and they're chasing this dream
01:45:48and they don't want to get a real joband they expect big bucksand it just doesn't happen.It's sad, man.He was doing like, you know,the book signings and the toursand speaking engagements.I actually booked him a speaking engagement
01:46:01and I promoted it and we had him here in Tampaand it was sad to see it,but I just loved him so much, you know.He was drunk and just, you know.See what I'm saying?Like you can't hold it together.It's like you got to hold it together.No.
01:46:15It's like you got a whole.Hold it together, bro.I'm like, bro, what did you do with the money that they gave you for the movie?He only made, like, they only gave him like $250,000 for the movie.That money's gone.Yeah, it was gone, bro.He was still living like I was.You know, I thought I was still making all that money.
01:46:31And I was living like I was still a drug dealer when I wasn't.And he was doing the same fucking thing, man.Like, it's a funny story.He was out to eat and he was ordering scotches.And, you know, a buddy of ours was paying for the meal.And he's ordering like $100, $250 scotch drinks, you know.It's like the fuck are you doing that?Somebody is paying for your meal.
01:46:54Right.You don't fucking order $100.Yeah, it was like $1,000 just in the drinks alone.That's just how he was.He just, yeah, yeah.He thought he was still.You don't think that's a dick.Nah, because it wasn't my money.
01:47:06Okay.But he didn't know.The guy said, buy whatever, he was enamored a fan.Buy whatever you want.I don't care what it is.If you say that to someoneFuckYeah
01:47:17And he loved his scotchSoI have fun times with GeorgeMan I loved themIt was greatThere isI have actually a pictureOf him and I
01:47:26In a hotelBecause he got shot in a hotelWith the drug dealGone Bad thingIn the movieOh okayI didn'tYeah
01:47:34You said for sureYou in the hotelNoCome onI'm judgingYeah he was not my war daddyHe was not my war daddyI was not in prison
01:47:43with skinny pants like you with a camel toe matKiki heyHey bro you get downMatt you get down Matt you get down Matt noIt wasn't you get down is you need anythingYeah you need anything heyYou need another cup of coffee broI gotcha you need some shoes I got you whatever you know I'm good
01:48:02You want to play some chessNo I don't know what that meansLet's go you have you have dreamy eyesYou can tell your storyNo that's itNo he showed me the bullet woundin the movie where the drug deal gone badwith Carlos later in the hotel
01:48:17he gets shot in the shoulderlike he showed me that bullet woundand I was like fucking blown awayI was like oh ohit's fucking oh my Godhe's like I also got shot in the assrunning from the Federaleyou want to see that too
01:48:30I'm like nobut I would love to if you'd like to show mebut now George's characterlove himgreat guyshey you guys I appreciate you watchingdo a favor hit the subscribe buttonand hit the bell so get notified of videos just like this.
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