Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Celebrity Dealer Exposes The Dark Side Of Fame & Fortune

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

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So drugs to John McAvee. I spent the last two years of his life with him. I'm hanging in VIP with this country star. There's Michael Myers and Candyman. We're doing my... The newspapers said that I was the ringleader in this organization called This Society. So now they've plagued me as this cult leader? Yeah.

Johnny Depp was going through the Amber Heard stuff at the time. He says if I go to prison, that would be detrimental to him being part of my group, the society. So 17, you couldn't really get in the clubs because you had to be 18. We would, you know, know somebody that would get us in the club. My buddy knew the security or whatever he would get us in. And that was like the cool thing. I don't scream drug dealer. Right.

But, you know, someone came up to me and it's like, hey, can you get me any beans? I'm like, beans. I know the 7-Eleven. Right. You know, on 7th Avenue here, they can get you some beans. You know, everybody's laughing at me. They're like, no, man, they mean an X. I'm like, oh, I'm like, no, I don't know where to get that.

I didn't use drugs at the time. I would drink. So I, you know, kind of asked around where these beans. were and you know found them and I would buy it from that person and go find the person and ask me for me hey I got the beans that you were looking for and give it to them what do you do and just adding a couple bucks to each one yeah a couple bucks not making you know nothing they were you know I forgot how much back then they were you know hang out with the DJs I thought I was a cool kid my little group of friends we did that every weekend it was a recurring

thing people would ask me about beans or X and I would find them and you know I thought I was you know cool because I would find whatever they were looking for did you actually have like a contact or you just know you're just finding guys that have them buying 10 of them and going and sell them for seven bucks a piece that right right made a couple bucks $20 or whatever right I mean that's not paying your bills no I worked a regular job during the week you know I floated around jobs a lot as time went on I would see like the certain guy in the club all the time whenever he would show up like everybody had these beans right and you know whenever he gone he was gone like nobody had him anymore i'm like man i got to meet that guy

and you know eventually him and i started to talk because i was a dj and he enjoyed the music and enjoyed the craft of it all i started to talk to him i'm like hey man do you know where i can find any beans at all he's like yeah how many you want i'm like 10 you know is that is that a lot and he's like no i i get you 10 gave me 10 i forgot what i paid for him back then he's like if you need any more let me know i said great got his phone number i kind of was like man you know i i can make i'm making like two hundred dollars whatever it was a week at a job i mean i can do this full time and you know go to these clubs on a nightly basis and throw my little underground raves that i'm throwing and dj and selling drugs i don't need to work anymore

right like man that would be great that would be the mission it's for suckers yeah working's for suckers man who wants to pay taxes you know this is tax free x money right here right and i never be old enough to need to file for social security yeah i'll never make it so on my i'm in my early 20s um fun time man i just have so many great stories about doing this and i think i was making like four hundred dollars a week at my regular job and on the weekends i would make anywhere from $1,200 to $1,500 in my pocket, free and clear. And my connection, he always seemed to have him. Like, he was never running out.

So this went on for years. I did this. I got really, you know, started to get really popular. Some of the clubs are closed now. There was an after hours called Night Moves that was in my newspaper article. And the castle in Ebor City, it's still open to this day. I'm probably not allowed in there anymore but they said that

in the article that I was the king of the castle, the king of the underground because of this stuff. So I'm waiting to go to the club one night and I can't get hold of him. I'm like thinking, oh, maybe he's at the casino

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And he told me that he was on his way to see me. He had 100 X-pills on him, and he was with a buddy, and his buddy got pulled over for a DUI, and he was freaked out that, They were going to take him to jail for the X. So he ended up swallowing them all. A hundred fucking pills, man. And he, Odeed. Right.

And, you know, they pumped the stomach. And he was looking at me and he said, you know, poet, I got to, you know, I can't do this anymore. You know, I don't want to go to jail. I don't want to die. And I said, what about me, man? You know, you can't forget about me here. Like, this is my livelihood. I quit my job.

Right. You know, the DJing is not paying me. that much i'm like i need this stuff he's like well i can maybe talk to my guy for you i said yeah man talk to your guy let me see you know see what you can do for me so it's the next day he talked to his guy and the guy's like is this the you know the guy that's been selling all your ex for you and you know my connect that the the connect that over deed he said yeah this is the guy so he ended up introducing me to the guy he was getting it from He told me, he said, hey, man, you know, he owes me thousands of dollars.

I said, hey, what about if I keep my price the same and I'll pay off his debt for him? So they thought that was, you know, the greatest thing ever that I'm honorable enough to pay off this guy's debt. So it took me two weeks and I had his debt paid off. So my price dropped. So back in Ebor City, in the nightclubs there, I was primarily selling out of the castle and the after hours, night moves. And it just started to build every weekend, every weekend. It was just more and more and more and more.

And I started to go to like other bars in the area. So every night of the week, Monday I was at this bar, Tuesday, I was at this bar, Wednesday, I was at this bar, and so on and so forth. And I started to recruit people into selling for me or, you know, or with, me right and uh it the newspapers said that i was the ringleader in this organization called this society maybe it was a playoff my nickname poet i have no idea right but it never had a name like i have no idea where they got that from but poet come from poet came from my grandmother i like scribbled a little poem for her and she's like you're my little poet i was like yeah i'm poet bitch That's right, you know, that's the name.

And later on, when I started to sell E, party on E tonight, poet. So, yeah, clever. I haven't covered up now, but I tattooed it in block letters. You could still see it because I wanted my name, poet, to be, you know, referenced with E. If you think of E, I wanted you to think of poet

because I'm the guy that has it. Right. Yeah, Billboard. Walking Billboard, dumb, you know, cops. Yeah. Working with the Connect, the main connect, he had as many as I could possibly sell. Right. It was nonstop. At the time, I was unheard of because you would have fly-by-night drug dealers that would sell it and, you know, they would be out the next day.

This guy never, it was never, it was like a melting pot of X pills. I mean, I had whatever I want, but I wanted to sell small. I didn't want to sell anybody 200 or 300 or 400 because I profited more if I sold it small. And I was really scared to sell large. Right. You know, I didn't know the laws back then or anything like that. So I wanted to keep it small. And that would, if I'm selling it to you small, you're going to be a consumer, not a dealer.

If I sell you 100, I know you're not taking 100 pills. Right. Unless you're my first guy that. Unless you get pulled over by the place. Yeah, yeah, on a DUI stop. There you go. um so that went on for you know years working with the connect and how i mean what kind of money are you making every you know a month that's the thing people ask me i have no idea um it was

i don't i can't pinpoint like a number i think back then i was making like four or five thousand dollars a week maybe okay i don't i don't know profit right i was making that so that could be anywhere between like 15 000 to let's say 20 000 25 000 just depended Yeah, just depended. I mean, there's no drug forecasting. Right. You know, there's no drugologist here that can forecast of how much drugs are going to sell for the week. But I knew my heavy nights were like Fridays and Saturdays.

But I still couldn't tell you how much money I was making back then. It was small. I thought I was, you know, king shit. Well, I mean, to a teenager, if you were making $20,000 a month, that's a fucking ton of money. And I remember when we were teenagers, well, it was probably 18 or 19. we would buy steroids from a guy who was a drug dealer. And I remember we went to his house. He was like six foot tall.

And we went to his, and that wasn't a house. It was an apartment. But he had like a two-bedroom, two-bath apartment and a brand-new apartment complex. He drove a corvette. He worked out all the time. So all he did was work out and sell drugs. And we went to his house.

I remember I had a huge fish tank, you know. It's just like he, he was probably 30-something years old, 30, 35 years old. We were teenagers, and I just thought he was the coolest guy ever. He was, he drives a Corvette. You know, I'm not, I'm not thinking to myself, you drive a Corvette that you probably, that was probably financed or is the payment's probably $1,500. Your insurance is probably outrageous. You live in an apartment that you don't own.

You know what I'm saying? You spend all your money on, you've spent probably a couple or $5,000. in this ridiculous fish tank. You know what I was like? Everything about him was like flash. Like super hot girlfriend, worked out all the time. Like I thought it was, you know, all the things that he was spending his money on were stupid. But I just thought he was the coolest fucking thing. And I know he thought he had the life.

Like we thought he's got the life. That was my connection. Yeah. No. This guy, I remember too, he answered. He loved himself too because he answered the door. I remember in a pair of shorts with his shirt off and he had abs. Oh, yeah.

And he was, you know, he's tall and he's like, come on in, you guys. You know, it's like you're, we're like 17, 18 year old kids. Like, and you're 35 years old and, you know, we just think you're the coolest. Yeah. My hot girlfriend with her tits hanging out, check it out. And the truth is, you know, he was pathetic. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'd be like, bro, you're 35 years old. Just stop it. Yeah, you're selling steroids and, and he was probably selling, I mean, I knew he was selling other drugs because I knew my buddy bought from him. So I knew he was doing that. You know, so I knew he's selling all kinds of stuff, but it's so funny when you're that age, how you think, how cool you think you're, you know what, you know what I'm saying? Right. I'm making this much money.

Yeah, I'm coming from a broken home, not getting attention. Yeah. You know, now. Oh, you're the man. I'm the man now. When I would go in these clubs, it's like, Poets here. Right. You know, I'm the life of the party.

And I had a connection that, it was never a point where he was like, no, I don't have any. Right. So I felt I could just. sell as many as I could, make as much money as I could, and I was going to live off my days doing this. I didn't have a future plan. Right. And I never had any problems in a nightclub either because, you know, everybody in a nightclub, they all have their price. The doorman, the security, most of them were buying from me. Right. The bartenders. It's not like somebody came up to you. You can't come around here. Right. Yeah, it was no pressure at all. So I'm at the after

hours night moves one night and i meet this stripper we have a connection with strippers don't we matt i met uh and then in early 2000s you know she had fake breast so that was like you know a given like you didn't it's a given there yeah they're all they all have not all but i'm sure she was a major blow head and i i didn't know anything about blow i mean i heard of it i've never done it like you know she liked the role x right um we they i got introduced by her So, you know, of course, I'm chilling at her house now all the time, you know, selling X out of her house and going to the nightclubs, DJing. And, you know, she was the daytime stripper. And she would come home and complain about the dealer never showed up and she couldn't find it and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And one day she asked, she goes, can you get it? I said, I don't know. I was like, it's too complicated for me. Powdered bags. I don't know. I deal with E. ideal x i mean right so the pill yeah it's come on it's easy yeah this power i didn't know anything i was so green with it i didn't know how it's sold i didn't know anything i was like well i can call

him let me see if i can obtain this for you so i give him a call i'm like hey man can you can you find any blow and he starts to laugh he's like that's what i mainly do right he's like the x is just a side thing man and i said you know by the way we don't call it that if you're ever going to call me, you need to call it T-shirts. If you ever need any T-shirts, I said, okay, T-shirts. Can you find me any T-shirts? Yeah. It's like, how many do you want?

I said, I want one. I said, what is one? And he's like, you want an ounce? I said, yeah, I'll take one ounce. How much is that? He's like, $500. I said, cool. I was like, I'll let you know.

Hang up the phone. Her name was Nicole. I said, Nicole, I can find it. It's $500 an ounce. she's like 500 that's garbage it's cut you know no you know 500 that's bullshit there's no way it's that cheap so my guy's telling me my ex guy is telling me it's 500 she's like well get it and i said okay and when i went to go see him to pick up some more x i pick up that i bring it to her she does it of course and she's like oh my god you said 500 i'm like yeah she's well this goes for

you know, 15, whatever, 1,500. So I start running numbers in my head. I'm getting it for five. I can make $1,000 of just one. Right. I'm like, this is better than the X. So I give her the ounce, and she goes to the club and ends up selling it all

in the strip club in Tampa. And which strip club? I can't tell you. It's still open. 20 years ago. It's still open. Oh my God. Yeah, class act.

Yeah. Do you know anything about Class Act? Do you ever been in Class Act? No. I've been in Mons, not because I wanted to. I was dragged in there, places of dive. Scarlet's Dollhouse. Oh, Scarlets, they just got busted.

Did they? Yeah, a couple months ago for running prostitution or something. Isn't there one that is like a spaceship? Oh, that's 2001. It's gone. Isn't it gone? 2001? Is it still there?

Yeah, it's still there. Really? I think I heard about it. Yeah, a John Mayer concert or something. Yeah, 2001, I actually know the manager of that place named Todd. So Class Act, she worked there at daytime selling out of the place, and, you know, she sold it relatively quickly there. So I was looking at the numbers. I'm like, man, you could sell that.

I can make $1,000 in one shot. Like, I'm going to, you know, get it. into this business so through her and my connections at the castle and night moves and other bars and stuff I was selling out of I was I was doing with the main connect he would not front me anything it was only a cash basis so I was going to his house you know three four times a day sometimes to get you know an ounce or two ounces and I always put back my profit into the x and the and the the powder so he one day i call him and i'm like i need four shirts which is four ounces right and i need you know four uh you know he called him cds i need four cd so it's

four hundred and four hundred however i don't remember that amount so i go to his house and uh he has this uh hennessee box he opens up the hennessee box and there's just you know bags and bags of the powder and I'm like what is that and he's like that's a hundred I'm like a hundred what he's like that's a hundred ounces I said oh oh okay and he's like do you want it said do I want it I'm like I don't have you know 50,000 dollars right so I don't have $50,000 I only have the money I came for the four and the four and he says well how about I front it to you. I said, you're going to front me $50,000 worth of powder.

I was like, man, if something happens here, I'm, you know, my ass is going to be in trouble with this. Right. He's like, don't worry about it. Because him and I've been doing good business for years now. Yeah. On a cash basis. He's like, you're coming by my house too much.

You know, I trust you. You know, I'm like, okay. So I took, it was, it was 50,000 in the powder and whatever the, the, you know, x i picked up and he gave me more than the four so it was on the lines of maybe 800 pills perhaps i don't really know i remember that it was the 50 000 i remember that it was a big thing i was like holy shit you know i feel like i'm fucking pablo eskabar and that's close to like three kilos right hundred ounces it's like 36 and a kilo something like that all right i'll take your word for it yeah yeah something like that the metric system yeah i don't know so i i took that

And I think I left there and I owed them like $75,000 something, something on the lines of that much. And that was, you know, crazy to me because I like this. Last I ever saw him. Yeah. I left. I left with Matt Cox. We were on the run together. Through the beeper away or the cell phone.

I started a mortgage company. Yeah. No. So I'm scared because if I lose this, I don't have $75,000 laying around to give this dude. strippers aren't cheap no i'm making only a couple thousand you know four thousand whatever it was at the time profit um so i got scared you know to pay this guy off so i would baggy it up my day consisted of bagging the shit up in grams and eight balls and i found it to be you know an eight ball is three point five so three point five grams and i was like that's going to be

hard to divvy out in my pocket doing it in the clubs. I was like, I got to bag it out all in grams. So I was like, I'll sell four grams for $150. And at the time, nobody was selling powder at $40 a gram. You know, I come on the scene. I have all this. I'm selling it for $40 a gram. So my contacts in night moves, the castle. I start to build a team of this. society you know no uh probably about like 30 guys you know guys and girls uh i would front it to them sell it to them cash whatever and you know i was pretty much they they called me the drug ring leader of this group and that's how it went i was making i mean it sounds accurate yeah look at me i know what you're saying but so far it sounds accurate it does it yeah because

you're the one who's arranging all this guys yeah i guess You're supplying them. That's what a ringleader is. That's what it does. So I am a drug ringleader. Yeah, it just doesn't sound. Former. Yeah.

It's like the first article I read about me. They called me a con man. I'm like, Khan man. Con man. And you describe what I did. You're like, okay.

So this stuff is going relatively quickly. And I was so nervous because I owed him all this money. I would call him and say, hey man, thousand dollars do you want me to bring it by your house and he's like no i don't keep it i'm like okay so you know a couple days later or a week later i would call hey i got 10 000 do you want me to bring it by yeah yeah you can bring it by if you want so i'll go to his house give him the 10 000 this is this is so accurate i gave him the 10 000 he opens up another box it's like i have 50

more ounces here i have a thousand more pills do you want it i said bro i owe you a 65 I have all this. I'm like, no. Yeah. I'm like, I don't want to take it. Yeah. You haven't got rid of the stuff you already? Correct.

And he's like, no, just take it. He's like, I trust you. I said, okay. Yeah, I feel like I'm being set up at this point. Yeah, there's no reason to load me up with a bunch of drugs. He loaded me up. And a lot of the times, and this happened, it wasn't on a weekly basis. It was maybe every three weeks, every month, I would go there, and it would turn into, you

I owe you 75, now I owe you 150,000, now I owe you 175,000, and I would try to pay him off. And this is not, this goes on for months. I just, he always loads me up. And sometimes I would just deny it. Like, bro, I got fucking five keys, man. Right. I have, you know, what, you know, 2,000, 3,000 pill. I don't need this shit anymore, you know.

So when it comes to, in my case, when it comes to drug dealing, like, I didn't have, like, how people, how much were you making or how much was this? It's like, no, I was always paying them off. I always had debt with them. You don't think anybody wants an actual ledger. Right. I mean, there's no.

I think they're just trying to say, in general, what were you making? Like, nobody's. Yeah, like, what was your lifestyle? Yeah, there's no bookkeeping. Yeah, they want to know, like, you know, what kind of car were you driving this time? Where you were, were you still living in the little party house and? No, you know, I was with Nicole. I broke up with Nicole, and I had my own little, I had a luxurious townhouse, actually.

Nice. Thank you. Yeah. What kind of car? I had, at the time, I did have a Corvette at one point. Yeah, I did have a Corvette. Um, uh, I had a Corvette. I had a Kia when the Kia's first came out.

Like I had one of them. It was like, it was like. Yeah. When they first came out were like the worst car. Yeah, it was like a Kia Sophia. Yeah, Black Kia, Sophia, I thought it was like hot shit. So, like, kind of started getting a reputation around town. I mean, I wasn't the only drug dealer.

Yeah, yeah. You know, I started getting the reputation, the rep, as in, you know, the guy that I always had it. Like, that was the great thing about me as a drug dealer's, I always had it. You call me? Yeah, you know, and I started to operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365. I'm never out of my house But I was always out in the clubs So in Tampa

They never closed man You know, I was at the casino Seminole Hard Rock Yeah man They had a nightclub inside of there Called Floyds You remember Floyd's inside of it I was locked up by this point

Yeah it went on for a while I actually met I won't mention the name And you're not going to force the name out of me But And in these clubs I would go to like I always had VIP because I was the drug guy right everybody loved me so I'm in I'm chilling at Floyd's in the Tampa hard rock and the security comes up to me they're like hey

poet man this girl wants to see you in VIP I'm like who is she and he mentions the name and she had like the hot country song out at the time I'm like no bro he's like yeah she wants she needs some X man I'm like all right I'll go up there I'm like bothering me and I'm like bothering me and I'm not going to say her name. I don't want to get sued. We need it for the thumbnail. Yeah. We need it for the thumbnail.

I'm not going to get sued, bro. You're not going to get sued. It's fine. So if anybody's getting sued, it's us. Yeah. Yeah, you guys are going to get fucking sued. Yeah. And keep in mind, too, this is a long time ago.

Nobody's getting busted. Statute of limitations is that. Chenai Twain wants to do a little bit of blow. It was not her. We'll just assume it was her, right? I just assume it's, I'll say, like, I'll put Shini Twain on the thumb. No, I don't do it. I'll do it.

She did a song with Kid Rock. That's all I'm going to say. Let's move on with the show. Matthew Cox's show. Let's go. You guys so want to know. Are you country fans? I am a country fan and a Kid Rock fan.

Okay. So it's funny that I can't find it. I'm just a fan of some good clickbait. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. Cheryl Crow, Gretchen Wilson, Miranda Lambert, Dolly Parton.

Miranda Lambert. No. Well, we have a 25. percent chance. Kid Rock is on for collaborating with female country artists. I'll give you other good, great thumbnails better than that.

Do you know who Tony Todd is? Candyman, you never watched the movie? The horror movie, classic Candyman? How about Halloween? You know who Michael Myers is? Of course. Tony Moran played Michael Myers in the movie. So I'm in a hotel in Tampa.

There's Michael Myers and Candyman. They're doing my fucking blow. I'm chilling on the couch watching two horror movie icon. Michael fucking Myers doing my fucking blow, bro. Like. I love the guy on TikTok who, with Michael Myers where he

There was like three of them that played Michael Myers. No, I mean, where he does it with his kid, that he plays. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They dance with the, I have so many of famous people. Anyways, I'm in Floyd's.

They bring me up to the area. And this song is hot right now. Right. I'm wearing like big old shades, you know, like J-Lo shades in the club thinking I was all hot shit. Right. You know, security.

Her security stops me. She, like, gives him the motion, and I, you know, sit next to her. And she's, like, tries to take my glasses. I'm like, I'm poet, bitch. Like, you ain't taking my glasses? She wants to wear my shades. And she's like, do you know who I am? I'm like, I know who you are.

I'm like, let me see some ID. And my buddies were, like, laughing because I actually card her to make sure it's really her. It's kind of funny. But I end up selling her. What's the ID say? I can't tell you. But I didn't sell it any X. I actually gave it to her.

I was just so like, oh, this is cool, bro. I just give it to her. The whole stars, like stars don't pay for drugs. They don't. I thought it was cool. I'm hanging in VIP with this country star. Yeah. So I'm like here, you know.

Never got her number exchanged or anything. I don't know where I was going with that story. Why did I even go to that story? Well, it's because you are now labeled the celebrity dealer. Yeah, no, don't do that. The celebrity dealer. I actually sold drugs to John McAvey. too. There you go. John McAfee. That's how I have a key is it Macafee. Macafee. The Macafian

anti-virus software. You're selling to McAfee and and, uh, Dolly Parton. Yeah, all them. It was, it's not like they, it got my phone number and we like hung out all the time. I'm not suggesting that. I'm just saying it was just a one and done, you know, I thought I was popular than them at the time. Right. So, you know, I have this hot fucking townhouse and, uh, The Corvette, you know, selling steroids with my, no, just kidding. So I thought I was hot shit. And this went on for years. Like there was a point in time where, you know, at the castle, it's like a old school.

It looks like a castle. Right. And there's upstairs. And when I would walk into that club, sometimes they would bring me in through the exit door. I wouldn't even go through the front door in the line of people. go through the exit door you know i couldn't even make it up the staircase it would take me 10 minutes to get up the staircase people shaking my hand like the president fucking arrived um at one point i even hired a security guy to walk around with me in the clubs i would go to to sell drugs like i never had

an issue and to this day i can walk into a nightclub or a bar and i can clock the place within you know minutes i can tell you who's who who's selling somebody is selling whatever So I'm at the height of my, my power, I think. At this point in time, you know, always owed the guy my connect, always owed him. There was never a point where I was like, woo, I got you paid off. Right. I would look at the pile of low or the X and think, okay, if I owe him 40 grand, if I minus the 40 grand, I'll have this. That's my profit.

That's how I kind of regulated my spending habits because it. it went from a kid not having no money to someone that has a lot now. It's almost like a person that wins the lottery. You hear about them guys, they win like fucking $50 million and they're broke within a year. Yeah. That was me. I just was spending crazy shit.

Like, there was another stripper I started, I started to mess with. I had like many of girlfriends. And she would always, this is back before Uber's. And she would always complain like, I can't find a taxi cab. That's why I didn't come over. So I got pissed off at her. I said, what kind of car you want? She told me the car.

I went out and bought a car for it. I was like, now you have no excuse. When I call you, you come over. Bought her a car. Buying my friend's cars. My group of friends, they were going like bike night every week. And they would rag on me like, you don't have a motorcycle. You can't go with us.

So the next day I went down to the Suzuki dealership and I bought a brand new motorcycle. That's just kind of like my spinning habits at that time. So I would go to bike night with them. on my motorcycle, weird shit. I even bought a throne for my place where I lived so I could sit in my throne thinking I was the king of the underground, you know, the king of the castle. I had a power puff girl plate just filled with blow. I would hold court on my little throne and divvy out, you know, party supplies to everyone

at my house because I started to sell out of my house. It became a party house in the club's entourage, a guy. the society this they called it the secret gothic group were you gothic no i mean i had a i i changed my looks a lot so one day i was you know i looked preppy the next day i actually had a mohawk back then i would like flip it over to the side so i guess you could say that i was kind of was it dyed black it kind of what it was black and blonde streaks okay um i had a friend this is back when reality tv was popping He had like the first tattoo reality show on the WB.

Remember the WB? The WB with the frog and shit. They had the first reality show called the Tattoo Underground. Like he moved to Alabama. So I would go to Alabama and bring drugs up there. I was taking like trips every all the time and leaving my business with other people to handle while I was going. I would come back, refill them, leave again. Lavish trips.

New York City. And I had friends in New York City. in the club scene and they couldn't get a lot of the glow so in my mind I was like

I can get it to New York City I can get it to Alabama in Shreveport Louisiana I can get it to Shreveport Louisiana so over time I started to meet some key that I brought in as my key players

there was a guy named Brad Carleen and Eric and they were like my captains I guess you could say yeah Mafia I can see the...

Mafia. I can see the chart now with you here, and then there's a line, and it breaks up between those three, and then breaks up between 45 people beneath them. There is one, actually. So 60, there is one. 60-man conspiracy. Yeah, that's crazy. Of the society.

And then above it says the society. That followed me in prison, by the way. Poet Society. Yeah, don't fucking do this to me, Matt. The Poet Society. We're all with Grandma saying, you're... Colby, can we... Can we get him?

Come on. This is great. I actually feel like grandma is sitting at the kitchen table explaining. Listen, poet, you're at the head of the society. And it's a society. Oh, Jesus. You're going to be a successful drug dealer. Yeah.

Because she knows because she used to sling a little. Oh, right. You're going to have to have a nickname. We're going to go a poet. Remember the little poem you wrote me? What does grandma say about the tattoo on your arm? Oh, wow. My nickname.

On your arm. This is horrible, guys. I'm never coming to the Matt Cox show again. So, so what, so you're, you're, you're the, you're the, you're the, I'm the celebrity drug dealer, celebrity drug dealer, basically. I mean, you know, I could give you a list of clients, but I'm not going to. Uh, I, I mentioned a few, but let's make them up. Yeah, no, don't.

Don't, don't, man. We'll just, just, just, just your favorite celebrities right now, and I'll just, throw it in the intro and it'll sound like it'll say yeah we'll just put it on the thumbnail people be like bro that's so fucked up that dude barely even mentioned uh brad pit you got brad pit on the front no i never met him with doing blow and what's up and celebrity this this guy but the game yeah that's the game so you know i had multiple girls youtube's a dirty game bro say multiple strippers multi yeah loved them you did you did too man i did i didn't I'm a married man.

Like, this comes back on. Luckily, she's not here. Luckily, she'll be sitting right over there and she'll just be like, and I can feel the heat on the back of my neck from the stair. Or she'll be upstairs and then she'll come walking down after and be like. Oh, yeah, just look at me. I'm like, did I hear a stripper? You know, I don't have, I don't have Matt Cox looks,

so I can't get any girl I want. You know what I mean? That's right. Yeah. Listen, anybody can get. A stripper. Yeah, you're right. You know.

Especially when you have next and a ton of fucking money, you can get whatever you want. And I did. Enjoyed it. I had a new girlfriend every week. It was awesome. Spending money, just blowing money, ridiculous amounts of money. I thought I was hot shit in a neighborhood. You know, the castle in Ybor City is on like a dead end street.

Dead insent to like Palm. Right. If you're familiar with Yvore Matt. I've owned a couple properties. You know, yeah, yeah, he did. I own... You don't know the big-ass castle right there. It looks like a fucking castle.

Yeah, I think I remember it. Yeah, I remember the name of the club. And I know there are several buildings in Ebor that look like a castle. Yeah, it's off the beaten path of its dead ends of palm. But anyways, I got to the point where I would show up to the castle in a limousine selling drugs. Whoever pulls over a limousine. yeah well who brings that kind of what drug dealer wants to bring that kind of attention to himself me because i had no idea i had i thought i was truly untouchable right you know at that point

because i mean i had loads of drugs in the limousine because you've been going for years so you've been going for years you know i got minor i got it you know minor trouble but nothing that i couldn't bond out the next day right kind of stuff so i i thought i was untouchable and on top of that carline everybody thought carline and i were together that's one of the key players in my team she was a lesbian you know hardcore flannel shirt lesbian shot out to the lesbians of the world but she was dating gays for boes yeah she was dating a cop so i had a off-duty police officer selling drugs in the club for me as well um so with that in hand i really thought i was hot shit right um but yeah it's lonely at the top bro i had all these people had all these women money

it's a classic story right yeah my heart goes out to you yeah thanks yeah fuck lonely at the top uh this is probably around 2006 early 2006 February yeah 2006 um I was in another place called the brass mug it was on fowler avenue hole in a wall rock bar i didn't live too far from there at the time and that was one of my places i would go on tuesday nights with my entourage of guys and there was this you know two girls playing pool uh i knew one of them the other one was like you ever had love at first sight like the whole world stopped with this girl i was like holy shit who is that i need to meet that girl i said

Anna, you know, introduced me to her. She's like, okay, you know. She's like, that's a poet. And I'm thinking she's going to be like, oh, my God, you're a poet? Because most people did that at the time to me. So she did not, however. She's like, well, poet, who's that? You know, don't care.

So I tried my best to impress this girl. Nothing I could do impressed her. Her name was Kara. She was like a really, like, bohemian, like, artist type girl. I just fell madly in love. at that moment and I started to slip away from the business

and leave it in the hands of Brad, Carlene and Eric and my other counterparts and I would hang out with Kara she hated to call me poet she would call me John

we would do like artsy things together like we would go to the riverwalk was it the river walk back then but we would set up our easels and we would paint see i'm a painter like you not as good as you but we paint we would paint and write poetry she was an amazing poet uh she lived in like this art warehouse with a whole bunch of other you know fucking hippies right and we would you know at night we would listen to simon and garfunkel on vinyl record and uh it was a beautiful time for me because i actually found someone that liked me for me shouldn't like me for the drugs the money and she was actually frightened

damn colby you messed up the story frightened you know yeah he's doing my over there she was uh yeah it just blew out of graham colby good you were talking about the tree hugger yeah the tree hugger damn that's a good way to put it yeah she was cool uh i fell madly in love with her and everybody else and my team were like we need poet back man the clubs you know So two weeks into our little romance, I was like, you know what? I would marry you.

She's like, I would marry you. So she said to me, she's like, there's a problem. She's like, if we're going to spend, you know, our life together, you know, there's no future in what you're doing. You need to get out of the business. You know, at the time, she suffered from, you know, a bad illness. She was bulimic. So if you're familiar with that, you know, she would throw up all the time. you know that kind of thing it was horrible man but she's thin yeah anorexic yeah which is

nice yeah she was 88.5 pounds bro whoa how tall was she 5 2 yeah yeah bad you're not a big guy no you're a little guy I'm wondering I'm like 140 right now I used to be like a chick that's one fucking that's 55 and 135 or 140 I mean I need to be able to take her in a full if it comes down to it you have to be able to take your girl in a fair fight You know, I think I can take a jit chick that's 90 pounds. I could, yeah. It was great. So I was like, well, you don't have a good life expectancy doing that either.

So we kind of made a pact of promise that she would not throw up anymore and I would quit drug dealing. So two weeks later, we get married. Ridiculous. Go ahead. Yeah, thanks. Fuck. Thanks. I feel like it's going to work out.

Is she in the car now? No. Yeah. So we get married and I hold this extravagant party at the Hilton and Tampa, a fucking drug dealer retirement party. Who throws that kind of shit? You know, I did. They brought me a cake. It had like little icing with pills on it and lines of, you know, glow, you know, icing, of course. And at this big retirement party. I was giving it all up. You know, people were left scrambling. Like, what are we going to do? Blah, blah, blah. I still had a pile of drugs that that I, because I still my guy. I always owed him. I forgot how much it was at the time. I think I owed him maybe 30, 40,000, something like that. I ended up, I told her, I said, the deal is that whenever I can pay him off, I'll get out. So I did. I paid him off. I got out of the business. I still had a stash of drugs. I had a good amount of money at the time. Her and I got a place together. We had a honeymoon in St. Augustine, Florida.

It was a poor, strong carriage, bottles of champagne. I'm still thinking I'm living that drug dealing life. Well, no, because I don't have that, you know, money coming in like I used to. And I got me a little rinkety-de-deen job. I figured I had to give me a job because I'm, you know, married now and not a drug dealer. Right. You know, when we would get short on money, I would tell her, well, I have these drugs, you know. She's like, no, you're not selling them.

I'm like, what the fuck are we going to do with them? They're just sitting here, you know? She's like, you made me a promise that you would not sell drugs anymore. I'm like, yeah, you're right. Then you got to start stripping. Yeah, you got to start doing something. You got to eat something and, you know, do that. Beat her a sandwich and send her off to Scarlet.

There you go. Scarlet's, no. Fuck, 2001. Bro, 2001 is like the worst. I've never been in now. No, no, no, I've never been in Mons before. Mons is, it's bottom of the barrel, bro.

It's been like 2001 and Mons are bottom of the barrel. Like, Scarlet's in Dollhouse are at least, you know, semi-top tier. If there is such a thing as a top-tier gentleman's club, it would be Scarlet. When I used to go to Scarlets for the steak. Yeah, sure. When, you know, they had like a restaurant, they had, like, it was like a top tier.

Gold club. Gold club. Like, that was like nice, like, if you, like I said, if you could say, you had to say, you had to rank one. And say that from one to, then those were the better ones. But yeah. So she wouldn't let me. And we spent our days, I would work my little rinket eating job. And, you know, she worked at the same place I did.

You know, money dwindled. Money dwindled. But we spent our days. you know painting writing poetry was a beautiful time for me you know probably the best time of my life you know i was free and clear out of the business everything was good one day we're painting on the back porch she disappears i'm like what the fuck is going on here i go into the bathroom to find her and she's hunched over the tool of throwing up again and i'm like well we made a promise that i wouldn't sew drugs and you want to do this anymore so i felt like my whole life you know our

Our love is based on a lie, blah, blah, blah. I was so immature, bro. I regret it. She's got a, a fucking problem. I fucking regret it, dude. And that's the part where I cry on another shows whenever I talk about this. We talked about this. Yeah, we're not doing the crying.

This isn't a crying episode. You know, if I felt, if I thought it was, I would, I would chime in with a question. Yeah, I broke down on Nelson, Nelson Rodriguez, on her, among the. thieves when I talked about this part. Yeah. You know, celebrity dealer podcast isn't really like an emotional podcast.

Yeah. Shout out to Miranda Lambert. You know what I was going to say I have oh gosh. I wanted to mention it for the hook. Have you ever seen the movie? Come on, Matt.

It's called the powder cake. It's a drug dealer. it Daniel Craig is it Craig Daniel Craig the guy who plays 007 yeah he's in it

it's a great drug dealer movie and he could be Daniel Craig like I mean they've got the same the light colored hair the blue eyes fair skin

what is it called powder cake I have to watch you never see it's fucking great it's it's great and so funny too because the whole time

he's got a plan to get out of the business like the whole thing is that's my life yeah it's fucking great no it's a great movie like the whole movie is like wow this is great and he's great and and it's not like a drug movie like it's not like grungy it's these are these are all very top-notch individuals for the most part of me you're still dealing with some drug addicts and stuff but great movie but it's but i think some of the scenes and some of the things you've described could definitely oh yeah yeah so right club i'm watching

Yeah, so that happens. And he falls in love with this hot chick in the movie. Kara is extremely hot. Yeah. And the chick's thin. Yeah, she was extremely thin. Blonde hair. This chick has blonde hair.

Was she a friend of somebody? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He meets her through a drug addict or drug dealer. It's ironic because as you're describing it, the scene that I'm watching, like this is happening. Oh, wow. The girl just comes up at the bar. Yeah, she's flirting with him.

She's trying to, you know, go get in. Yeah. You know, listen, it's a great movie. It's a fucking movie. Great fucking movie. I'm surprised you haven't watched this. It's a great movie. No.

Yeah, so, very immature. I thought she lied to me the whole time. Right. You know? So I left her, man. I left her. I went, I got a hotel. I took my safe of drugs with me.

Packed up everything I had, went to a hotel. It's time to hit it, A-Bor. Yeah. Get rid of some of this. I disappeared. You know, I just, I kind of just stayed in that hotel. Like I said, I was never a drug guy. never got into the drugs that much and i just kind of wasted to go sell them oh well i'll get to

that but i got to sell that shit off so march 10th 2006 we get married three months later that occurs i'm in a hotel i'm just doing it's much low i can x as i can drinking as i can and just held up in this extended stay motel on 60 state road 60 close steward city on the left there if you're going into you bore. Anyways, I stay there. One of my, one of my players in the game, John, he calls me. He's like, I tell him what happened. And he's like, bro, just get over here. You know, get over to my house, man. He just wanted me to come over there because I had the drugs. He didn't really give a fuck about me as a person, right? So I go back, you know, I go to his house and they're like, we need you back into clubs, man. And I was like, thinking of myself, well,

Kara don't want me to sell drugs, right? I said, she lied to me. So I'm going to be biggest fucking drug dealer I can be man I just kind of and just got crazy got back in touch with Carly and Eric Carly and Eric and I just started to bring in people to sell drugs for me I don't you know if you one of my guys could vouch for you cool I need you to sell drugs let's go sell drugs so drug so drug so drugs back to the townhouse I got the townhouse again and I'm buying more shit, taking more trips. But I'm putting in other people's names, my friend's names. So there's nothing really in my name.

New York City, going to New York, Birmingham, Shreveport. I was making plans in these clubs, making plans in these states to transport. We did some dry runs to Alabama. But, you know, never kind of, nothing ever was solified, so to speak. If you wanted a number, I was probably making profit, profit in my pocket anywhere from 20 to 30,000 a week. Okay. Roughly. Back to my, you know, same guy I was getting this stuff from.

And he was doing the same thing as I had the money to pay for the product. But he would give me, you know, double what I was going down there for. Right. Never ending, dude. He's like the first guy I ever dealt with in my life that. always had it was never a time where he was like no sorry can't find dry no it always had it always had it and if he's watching this i don't know if he's a fan i haven't talked to him in several years but uh we got to get him on here yeah no i don't know if you would go on this show

but uh anywho uh 2007 comes around and um you know i would see carrow one in a while, but it was not the same. But every time we were together, you know, the lightning, the magic that happened, but I was still like a fucking dumb ass kid that, you know, we divorced. And I was just being reckless, man. I think the more fearless I became, I wasn't afraid to get caught anymore. I was just doing shit out in the open. Like, I was, I was becoming a massive target.

Even though I was one before, but this time, I just, I thought that I could, you know, do whatever the fuck I wanted. And there was no consequences for my actions, you know. And that's a hell of a place to be in your mind. I don't know. I wish that. I don't wish that on anyone. So bringing in, you know, a team of people there, uh, they brought in this kid. named Luke he started to hang out with my crew and everybody wanted to be with poet because

I was the life of the party always throwing parties you know money I even threw a big ass divorce party you know my dumb ass at the Tampa hard rock I rented out the whole pool section and bought all my boys sweets and it dumb dumb dumb if I had it if I had that money now but um Luke Brad was doing his thing on the side he saw this kid ended up stealing like his pound of green and you know he called me I'm like well we got to find Luke like what the fuck let's find this kid get your money back you know we ended up finding them we uh like me Luke um me Eric and Brad we like beat the kid up pretty bad and we didn't get the money or weed back and I kind of told everybody you know stay away from this fucking kid man like he's bad

bad for business like I don't want any of you to hang out with them nothing I don't want them around you know so I was going I had a plan trip I was going back to New York to finalize my my drug exploration so I was going to New York for two days then I was flying back to refill everybody and I was going to fly to Shreveport Louisiana for another three or four days and I was coming back so we there was was a house party going on and this this kid luke who we beat up he like got this tattoo on him of a gun a five shot revolver that said here's mine where's yours he was going around town yeah when i see poet i'm going to shoot him i'm like oh shit you know this kid's going around town saying

he's going to shoot me i'm like all right i'm not worried about it so the house party's going on I'm leaving in the morning to go to New York. So I stopped by the house party. It was at Carleen's house. And Carleen. Can we stop? Carleen's house party. Your worst guest ever, man.

No, no, we've had worse. Yeah, thanks. Borderline. Yeah, we've had, we've had guests where they could have to go to the bathroom and me and Matt. Yeah, we're staring each other like, what are we going to do? Yeah, you guys were doing that. I can feel it through the walls. If we did, I wouldn't have brought that up.

I wouldn't have said it. Yeah, you're fine. This is good. The first 10-15 minutes. See, you're yawning. Here we go. Yawning because, you know, he told me. My story is so much better than Ness, man.

Well, so much better than Ness. A celebrity dealer is a good story. Yeah, that's a good story. The problem is, I feel like you're holding back. Names. That's the problem. We need names. No, I ain't giving any names.

I gave you some already. All right, we were on. We're good. Yeah, so you had just said something about Kaeline's house. Our Carlene, yeah. Carleen, yeah. Kailin, Carleen. Carlene.

Dating the cop That was Beef. Anyways, yeah, Carlene's house And she had like a little party house too. So Carleen lived there. Eric lived there.

Brad did not live there. But party going on. I was leaving for New York. Trying to, you know, refill everybody, collect my money. Right. So I can go on my trip.

Make sure everybody was good. The weekend I was gone. I asked Carly Where's my money? Let me, let's get this done here. It was like $3,000. She's like, well, there's a problem. I'm like, what? She's like, the money's gone.

I'm like, well, who's in the fucking house? Like, well, she's like, well, you know, all the people I mentioned were there. And I'm like, well, they wouldn't steal from them. They worked for me. I mean, why the fuck would they steal from me? Drug dealers wouldn't steal from each other. Yeah. They're known to be such honorable.

Right, we are. Yeah. But she goes, well, there's a problem. I let Luke stay here for a couple days. We had a discussion about not trusting Luke and not having Luke around. Yeah. And he's upstairs with the gun. I'm like, oh, fuck.

This guy's going to fucking shoot me, man. You know, I don't have a gun on me. So, and he was sleeping upstairs, thankfully. I went up there and I got his gun from him. Nice. Yeah, good, right? Got the gun from him and brought him downstairs. Not at gunpoint, just brought him downstairs.

There's, hey, man, like, where's my money? And, you know, I know you robbed the money. You robbed it from Brad. Now you're robbing from, you know, not me directly, but my money. Right. Indirectly. Now, he kept on denying it. No, no, no, I didn't do that.

And more he denied it, the more I got aggravated with it. And I said, okay. I said, well, or, you know, I don't know why. I was just angry. I was really just agitated about the whole situation. And the whole year when I got that divorce, I just kind of felt like everybody was around me for the money and the drugs anyways.

She. Do you think? Yeah, fuck. Okay. Yeah, you got it. You get the picture here. So the more he- I'm starting to think we're not friends.

Yeah. I'm starting to think you guys are using me for drugs and stealing from me. Yeah. go yeah Luke so uh i was like okay well i'm gonna kill you if you don't give me my fucking money and uh he's kept on denying it so he went for his gun and it wasn't there he was in my pocket yeah it was actually in my hand at the time oh okay so uh i told i was like we're going we're we're gonna go you're gonna get your shit you're gonna put it in your truck and

well i'm gonna get in brad's vehicle i'm gonna fucking kill you if you don't come up with my money. So two vehicles. Eric's driving his truck. He's in the passenger seat. I'm in Brad's vehicle. In the passenger seat, Carlene's in the back seat.

We end up driving out to Hernando County on a dirt road. We parked the cars. I tell him to get out of the vehicle. He gets out the vehicle. I said, I'm going to ask you one more time. Where's my money? He didn't say nothing to me. I don't know if he thought I was going to,

I was bluffing or what, but he didn't say, fucking word so i unloaded the whole five-shot revolver on him and i hit him once in the chest once he once i hit him once in the chest he cowered out into his truck i was out of bullets at this point because it was his gun well wait a second how far i mean did you miss are you saying you missed him no it was a five-shot snub-nosed revolver so that them guns are not good at long distance and it was a car length away okay he would i was in this vehicle the front vehicle he was in the back vehicle and the passenger seat. So I got out of the vehicle I was in. He got out of the vehicle he was in. And I asked him about my money. And I just unloaded the whole gun, all five shots. Two of them hit the door.

The third bullet is the one that got him. Hit him in his chest. Hit him in the shoulder, actually, and the bullet traveled into his lung. Once he cowered into his vehicle, Eric doused the whole truck with gasoline, lit the truck on fire. You didn't think this is where this was going to digital. You didn't see this coming. This was a fun-loving story It was a fun-loving story up until this And the country singer Came out and started singing her country tune

Asked me for some blow No, that did not happen But yeah, we lit it on fire I thought he was dead Do you have any idea How this does not fit Your personality at all Since you walked in the door

Since the conversation The whole thing is just so out of character yeah i know but that's what the drugs the money the women that lifestyle will do to you is think that you're fucking untouchable and that you're a fucking gangster everybody's a fucking gangster until it's time to do gangster shit yeah uh and in my head i was like you know he was dead that's that's destroyed the evidence by burning him alive or burning his body in the vehicle because you thought he was dead right i thought he was dead okay so i have a question for real quick um what is everybody else like is everybody just going on nobody stop that's the thing

nobody's saying like nobody's screaming no stop wait we can't do this they're all like nobody stopped me there was no conversation it was nothing it was it was it was a strange day yeah to say the least yeah very surreal yeah you know brad is in you know his vehicle i'm in i get back in a passenger seat Orleans in the backseat. Eric comes running up, jumps in the backseat. And this is early morning now. You know, it's still kind of, it's still dark out. And the whole truck's ablaze.

I can see it in the rearview mirror. And we pull off and I just see this ball of fire coming out of the truck. Screaming, a scream I never, I don't even want to put in my head. It was just horrendous fucking scream. And in that moment, I was like, oh, the untouchable shit, that everything kind of crumbled in my mind and I'm like what the fuck did I just do you know did you go back

no like to make sure this guy we kept going and I was like what am I going to do you know I have no I have no oh you've no more bullets I have no more bullets because it was his gun five shots right but I'm not I'm not I'm not a killer

bro yeah obviously right your first and only attempt didn't go well no did not So you drop and roll or did he? I don't know. We were gone. Peel it off.

I threw the gun out the fucking window not far from the crime scene. Did they find it? No, never did. And I even, yeah, I even told the police I would go back and show them where it was at, you know. And they never, they were like, yeah, no. But, you know, in that moment, I'm like, what the fuck did I become, man? You know, what kind of person am I to take a human fucking life or to try to take a human life?

Or to try to take a human life Like, there's never a violent person Like it I'm like, damn man You know, it was a come to Jesus moment for me And I started to get in a panic mode Like I gotta get the fuck out of here Like I gotta get out of town man

Because we're gonna fucking find out about this shit Um He survived thankfully You know The current day Uh 47% of his body's third degree burn scarred The bullet is still in in his lung.

He wheezes when he breathes. Every breath he takes, he wheezes. I mean, no. The guy was a piece of shit, man. But who deserves that, bro? I mean, it looks like Freddie fucking Kruger. You know, his chest and his, his third degree burn his chest and his legs,

mainly, not his face or anything. But who fucking deserves that, you know? The tattoo, the same tattoo he got that he was going to, you know, the hears mine, wears yours with the gun. Right. They had a skin grafted. And now it's like upside down on his stomach. um just fucking brutal bro and i'm not not that guy right uh it still fucks me up to this day

to i played god you know i could decide if to take someone's life or not over some bullshit over three thousand dollars you know what the fuck did um did um what happened with him did he i mean obviously i'm assuming yeah they had something to say You know, it's morning time at this point, you know, a passy motorist found him on the side of the road naked. I'm talking about, poet shot me, poet shot me, poet shot me. They, you know, they called the police and airlifted him to, you know, Tampa General. Thankfully, he survived. Thank God he survived.

Because I wouldn't be sitting in this chair today. You know, for someone to, like, sit in this chair. And on your show to either brag that they try to kill someone or kill someone, you know, I don't know how a person can do it psychologically because it's fucked with me every day of my life. You know what I mean? It's not. Okay. Sorry.

Yeah, it's not, it's not cool. It's not cool to try to take a life or to kill someone, it's my point, you know. Right. when did the I'm assuming that he told they know where the police knew where you were they went yeah I mean my name my name they you know his sister knew me right so of course you know poet who's poet oh that's John Thornton you know the king of the underground John Thornton that guy you know the society leader um I freaked out I didn't go to New York obviously but I already had a plane ticket for Shreveport because I was doing the two days in New York,

then I was going three days to Shreveport to do, you know, I was going to put together some deals there. I still took that trip to Shreveport. I scrambled, panicked, you know, went with Carleen, went to Shreveport. Eric drove up in a car. At this point, they're, you know, trying to, they're searching for me. I'm all over the news. We're in Shreveport. And I'm I tell Eric, I hatch a plan. I'm like, listen, I got a, I got a little bit of money. I have a whole shitload of drugs back in Tampa. I was like, he was Mexican.

Eric was, you know, from Mexico. I was like, we're going to go to Mexico. We're going to get different identities. We're going to do some Matt Cox type shit. And we're going to live on a villa somewhere forever. That's how it's going to go. And Eric is panicking. We're in a casino in Shreveport.

He's panicking. We're both drinking. You know, he says, I'm, I'm just going to turn myself in, man. And I'm like, well, you're going to fucking, you know, fuck that shit. Dude, we're not doing that. We're going to Mexico. Him and I get into an argument.

He leaves the casino. He gets picked up by the police for drunken disorderly. He never tells on me at that point. They arrest him. Never come and get me. They have no idea I'm there, I guess, you know. So the next day I try to bail him out of jail, I get in contact with the police officer that was on my team.

and she's like yeah there's a bond you can go there get them out and I'm like well there's warrants from my arrest everywhere I'm like going not going to go there so I send carline to do that to go there and she goes and like her whole car swarmed in tree port and she tells me yeah they're after you but you need to get the fuck out of Dodge so I I run to Brownsville Texas so I'm in Brownsville Texas watching the border to go into Mexico.

Eric did have some connections in Mexico because he's from there and that, you know, he could get me passports or whatever I needed to change my identity. I tell Carleen to come meet me in Brownsville, Texas. She does. I thought you said they surrounded her car. She did, but they didn't know they weren't after her at that point. They were surrounded the car looking for me. And okay, so they don't have a warrant for her, so they let her go.

Correct. Right. She meets me in Brownsville, Texas. Just her and I in Brownsville, Texas. And much of the same thing. Like she's panicking. She's going to go turn herself in. I'm like, they're not even after you yet. At this point, they were.

We didn't know because they already picked up Brad back in Tampa. And Brad gave up everybody. As he should. I don't think that they're snitching, bro. You know, as they should. They should have done that because we almost took a human life. So fuck you out. Snitch me out.

I didn't care. I was mad about it at the time. care um so they pick up brad carline freaks out i was like well go back to tampa carline you know turn yourself in you know snitch me out i don't care you know do whatever i said you have a total where all my drugs were at i was like sell the drugs off you know give me some of the money i'll be in here in mexico you know so i run off into mexico and i'm hanging out in metamoros mexico uh you know kind of freaked out about what i did but i was trying to draw myself with alcohol so I didn't think about it.

You know, curling turns herself in. She, you know, is willing to testify against me as well. So now that you have Eric locked up, you know, all three of them locked up except me. So the manhunt begins, you know. I was only gone. I think the whole, I was on the run for about three weeks-ish. I'm running out of money in Mexico. As you know, on the run, it's hard to maintain when you have no money.

so i come back into uh brownsville texas at the border uh entry point there and of course that's where they you know arrest me at because everybody and their fucking mom is looking for me you know give me your yeah your ID they no i didn't make it to that point like they got me in the line oh okay you know because carline done told them where i was at yeah so they were watching that border pretty thick um so they got me There, I stayed in Brownsville, Texas County Jail. You know, the van comes to pick me up to bring me back to Fernando County. On the way there, we stop in Shreveport, Louisiana to pick up Eric.

So it's Eric and I in the van, and, you know, he's totally freaked out by the whole thing. And I told him, I said, Eric, just, you know, I kind of, I knew I was going to spend probably the rest of my life in prison at that point. I kind of just fuck it, you know. I was like, just tell him whatever, bro. I don't care. You know, put it all on me. This is all on me any fucking way. I don't care what you do.

You know, get to the county jail. And they were pretty much, you know, Luke survived, but they were going to give me like 25 years. Like, this carries about 25 years, you know. At that same time, Luke heals up. You know, they can't remove the bullet in his lung. He moves to Texas. And while he's in Texas, he ends up, like, robbing a drug dealer, go figure.

And he gets picked up for drug traffic and charges. And they, you know, arrest them. So my lawyer, the state, they have to go out there and do depositions and all that shit on them. You know, I'm looking at 25 years. I actually signed for 25 years because I'm thinking they're going to give me life. So I'll do 25 years. This is all on me anyways. So they go out to Texas and they interview them.

And in my discovery, which I have with me today, because they don't check paperwork in the state. Breyer. They, uh, what does he say? He tell, this is the point where it's like, man,

it fucks with me because he tells the state that he wants to see everybody prosecuted. the crime except me and in my newspaper article you can read it the state's attorney says that the victim is not overly sympathetic doesn't want to see anybody go to he wants to see everybody go to prison except me he says if i go to prison that would be detrimental to him being a part of my group the society and you can read that in a newspaper article that's what this guy says to him. So now they plagued me as this fucking cult leader?

Yeah. You can read it in a Tampa Bay Times. Why does he say that? What? I have no idea, brother. I guess I because of all the money and the popularity I had and I guess he just wanted to be a part of that. So he I don't know. I can't wrap my head

around. I never talked to the guy since. I don't know. And in my discovery I read that I have that before he wrapped Brad with the green like he like cleaned his mom's banking account out like he had a track record of doing this to like everybody that he ran across and it's done me like

dude I almost fucking killed you you go to Texas and you do some dumb shit man and then get caught yeah what the fuck is wrong with you if I got shot and fucking burn bro I would be in a pew every Sunday praising fucking Jesus you know I mean maybe he just felt like

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He lied about the whole thing. But you can read that in the article. I had it coming. That kind of thing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. The state's attorney, you could, it was the craziest shit ever, man. So Carleen and Brad, they gave them probation if they would testify against us.

Didn't Brad, isn't Brad the one that doused him with? No, that's Eric. Oh, okay. I was going to say it. Brad, it's Eric. And I'm thinking, I'm like, bro, I'm going to get off on this shit. Like, they're going to literally let me walk out of here. So Eric, what did you, Eric?

So Eric, they gave Eric and I matching sentences, 10 years and five years out. That's not bad. But Eric, Eric, at the end, they gave me the 10 and the 5, and I was on my way to prison. And, you know, at the end, Eric was like, no, poet held me at gunpoint. Oh, God. And made me... You already unloaded the fucking gun. Yeah.

I mean, you didn't get him, tell him to throw the gasoline on. You've already unloaded the gun. There's no bullets. It's the most insane. He's just doing that and try to save his ass, you know. I don't blame him. You know, I'm not mad at Eric. It's all good, bro.

But did that... Well, I'm not talking about being mad at him. I'm talking about just stupidity. Like, to me, that, like, he didn't take that deal. Did he get a better deal? No, he got the same. He got the same. Okay.

So he... Because in my newspaper, you can read that as well, where the state was, like because he ends up writing the letter to the judge and I'm a fear for my life that day and because poet was going to kill me if I'd let him just come on man stop it but uh he got the same as me 10 and 5 you know I actually looked them up a couple days ago before I came on just to see like where's he at like because they deported him to Mexico okay and he's looks like he's doing well man looks like he has two kids I mean would you look him on Facebook yeah yeah he's he's doing all right so Eric's doing all right

And I'm glad that all that happened. I'm glad everybody did what they did because, you know, I shouldn't have done that shit, man. Yeah. But they got over on me pretty good because Carleen had out all that stashed drugs I was talking about. You know, never, she never told the cops about it. All right. And she ended up buying a fucking beach house, living lavish in a fucking beach house with my fucking drug money. Yeah, but she's probably a very empty person.

She's probably very empty. But she violated probation and went to prison anyways. So there you go. And she was the lesbian, right? Yeah, the lesbian. I mean, come on. Yeah. That's like summer camp for her.

Yeah. She's probably very popular. And I didn't have a rough time in prison. You know, you would think I was 118 pounds, small white guy. You would think I would have a rough time. But I did not. When I got to, you know, the CFRC, I knew people there for. the night moves uh my cellmate at it's funny i failed to mention this my cellmate in the county jail

was a guy that i used to sell drugs to at night moves so like eight months of me in the county jail my cellmate knows me wants me to recant all these crazy stories and tell the stories about drugs and money and all that stuff and i feel like you're i see you entering the prison and everyone going poet yeah no it it's crazy because You're like, yeah, yeah, society. Yeah, yeah. Don't do the salute. God, dog, don't do that.

That wasn't a Nazi salute. That was just the, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the society, the society, poet. It never had a name for the love of God, never had a name. We do. The first rule of the society is we don't talk about the society. Oh, Jesus. You're too much.

You are too. I love you. No homo. I love you. For real. No, did he? You may, yeah, yeah. Oh, God, you're great.

So, you go in. Yeah, I knew people at every prison. So, you know, I still dealt with shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. But it was the, what people paint prison. It was not like that for me. And I, my first prison was Liberty Correctional.

And that was the most violent prison in the state of Florida at the time. Still is. I mean, people were getting beat up, stabbed that kind of shit you know air conditioning no there's no air conditioning state i know there's climate controlled that's my first thought my first thought every time i think about state prison is i think no there's fucking ac food horrible you have any idea how important ac no most people in the world even the united states those those square northern states yeah there's a bunch of them they don't realize how important air conditioning is

right in Florida yeah like these are people like they're like yeah what's the big deal listen prior to air conditioning like you use unlivable here it's unlivable I I'm not old enough to remember that by the way I'm just saying you got I think nine years on me how old are you I'm 46 I'll be 47 in August yeah well that's typically how it goes yeah some people skip it Do you want me to, do I have a few minutes? So I'll give you a nail biter. Nail biter. Yeah, but.

But this is me on three cups of call. Yeah. I'm sorry. In prison, I realized that I thought I was the biggest, baddest motherfucker on planet Earth. There was a lot more bigger and better motherfuckers in prison, you know? You mean prior to prison, you thought you were the biggest bad. Right, right, right. In prison, you realize.

No, no, no, that gangster shit. No, there's some real gangsters in there. scary fuckers scary motherfuckers man but all my times in the nightclubs and knowing how to navigate through the night clubs i used that in prison i just knew how to navigate knew how to kept my head down you know showed people respect they showed it to me uh throughout my my my whole 10 years i have no d r history i never got in trouble did you do 10 years or did you get you got eight and a half of course okay did you get halfway house no no they want to let me because of the violent crime because I was the leader of the society, Matt.

Come on, they don't do that to big drug lords. They don't want you taking over the halfway out. Yeah. Fuck. Conversion, converting people. So, nail biter, sorry. Okay, you want me to do a nail biter. Nail biter, you know, 20, around 2012, I'll wrap this up real quick.

Nail biter, here it is. The fuck you, to me, the cake in my face. You ready for it? Yeah, 2012, Kara and I start to write again when I was in prison. And she was doing well at FSC. Yeah, FSU. She was very popular. Yeah.

And I'm thinking, oh, it's our love fantasy again. We're writing poetry and art through letters. And I get a letter and she goes, I have to tell you something. I'm like, what's that? And I'm like halfway through my sentence at this point. And I'm like, what's going on, you know? And she goes, I got in touch with Luke. And, you know, I drove out to Texas to see him.

And they started to have a relationship together. my first wife Kara and Luke my victim okay sorry yeah um okay so when you i thought you meant that she was lost i thought that well what's the girl that was involved in the crime carline carline i'm sorry i got them confused so that carroll is my first wife carroll's the first wife okay yeah my fault she reaches out to luke to just to see how he was doing uh did she know him no she met him I think once or twice. Okay. But she just wanted to see how he was doing.

And they were living together in FSU while she was writing me. They didn't last long because guess what Luke did? He started, he robbed her. He ripped her off. Yeah, stole her money, drugs. He was shooting drugs at this point. But they had a little short relationship together. And I told her in a letter, I was like, you know, I wish you guys the best,

but I don't really don't want to talk to you anymore, you know? Right. How could you fucking do that to me, basically? uh when i get out of prison in 2015 i try to reach out to her um and she was like i have nothing left for you or me you know that's that the nail biter yeah that was it she has my first wife the love of my life started a relationship with my victim you know i'm sorry that was a nail bite her what would you like a nail biter as you want the you want the name of the country singer yes not giving it to you even after the show i'm not giving it to you we just come up with one

I'm willing to sacrifice the reputation of a country singer, trust me. But, yeah, I'm doing well. I'm doing well now. To wrap it up, I'm doing well now as a former drug, you know, ringleader, the king of the underground, Mr. you know, the ringleader of the society. I've been out 10 years. I've, you know, face struggles, of course, like we all do. But I have a great job.

I've been out, you know, at this job two years now, second chance company. I'm just living, man, you know. What does that mean? A second chance company means they hire felons. Right. But do they, have you ever heard people, because I've heard this before, that some companies, if they hire a felons, they give them a tax break? Have you ever heard that?

That's true. Is that true? Yeah, it is true. But some companies say they hire felons and they don't. Right. Like Amazon, Coca-Cola, places like that. They say, we hire felons. I went to Amazon when I got out in 2015 to get a job.

You're like, we hire felons, but we don't hire your type. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know. Because it reads, my shit reads so fucking wild, man. By the way, my buddy Pete works. It works. My buddy Pete works at Amazon. Really? But he got the job through the, and he's, he went to prison for double murder. Damn, I don't know how they, they deny me. Because it was through the, the halfway house. No, the halfway house, the halfway house has an agreement with the local. So once he's in, had he, and I think he told me that he said, had they not had a contract, a placement contract, I probably wouldn't have gotten hired. Yeah.

Listen, Pete's crime, the sheriff showed up. When he went at home, the sheriff showed up to say, we know you're here. We're going to be keeping an eye on you. Then they went to all the neighbors on the street and told him, want to let you know, the guy that's just released for a double murder. He's going to be living in that house over there, just thought you'd like to know. He's like, like, what a, yeah. What a welcoming.

Have you seen Pete? Have you seen any of these episodes? No, I need to watch some. I'll send you one. Yeah, please do it. He's probably not what you're picturing. Oh, no, he's not what you're picturing at all. No.

I'm also going to send you the, I'll send you the, um, the layer cake. Yes, please. I said powder cake before. It's the layer cake or layer cake. You said powder cake. Are we done or the later cake? Are we done or should I say some more? No, we keep going.

No, this is all going in. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Nobody's watching at this point. All right. It doesn't have to eat. They watched the first 20 minutes and they're done with us. But I actually ran, I met up with, never met up with Eric again because they deported him.

Never talked to Eric again. Right. I talked to Brad when I got out, him and I had a beer together. He was in and out of drug rehab, just riddled with drug abuse. It was kind of sad to see him like that. And he was really apologetic. I'm like, why are you sorry? You know what I mean?

He was trying to apologize to me. I'm like, bro, I don't care about that shit, man. I never talked to Carlene again. To this day, I don't know where she's at. I have talked to the cop, or she's not a cop anymore. Just to trade stories like, that was pretty wild, you know, back then. Luke tried to reach out to me several times. I just never responded when I got on this TikTok journey a couple years ago.

And I had no idea he was even my friend on TikTok. I was scrolling through. it was just about four months ago and there was him and just to see how he looked and I was like wow this guy's fucked up man you know

that's basically like I try to stay out of bars and nightclubs now if I well I went to the castle trying to reminisce when I first got out and some of the people still work there like these

there's bartenders and door personnel that work at the castle 25 plus years now that's sad and deal great life guys like bro but just walking in that building

some of them was like open arms and others like I got this scowl like oh my god this evil man the king of the society is here yeah yeah I tell you what you know I have a little place now I'm a little duplex now and I have a roommate and she's never laid on rent bro I never have to ask her for money I'm like it's it's fucking quick I mean at first of the month comes like 1201

it's it's it's worked in my my benefit yeah uh nobody's shortened me yeah that's right it's right uh fuck man this is crazy bro sorry i didn't think this show was gonna be like this no no well it's fun you made it really fun and i really appreciate you man because i thought it was gonna be fucking serious you're gonna be pounding me with questions uh colby is actually really cool he's not a skater with tattoos like i thought no i'll turn the camera for you yeah cameras that's that's the real guy. Yeah. That's the man. Yeah, this show totally sucked. I hope you guys don't watch it. Mom, if you can't let me, if you can't make light of, you know, some, some unadulterated

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people are always saying in the comment section they're always like what if a guest doesn't say sleep what do you do well i said oh i'll bring it up i'm yeah somebody saying sleep so be honest on a scale to one to ten how horrible was this interview be honest it really it's not bad yeah yeah the conversation that we had in the beginning of the podcast i will take out because it's it's the beginning and it needs to get into the story but this part i can leave in yeah that's what's what's so it's a cool part we we have this conversation all the time and i have this conversation with i know colby does too like there are guys that will walk out of here and we're like ah that was all right and it'll get half a million views you're like what the hell

and other people will walk out we'll go bro that was like oh my god i got i got i I got goosebumps. Like, it was riveting. It was amazing. Mind it. Not really. And you're like, you just, and then we've got, we've got some videos that all the comments are overwhelmingly positive.

Like, what a phenomenal story. How amazing. How this. And you're like, wow, people love this guy. And it gets 25,000 views. And other ones where people are like, this guy's lying. He's full of shit. There's, he never this.

That's not what happened. Yeah. And it'll get 400,000 views. And you're like, I. don't you know you just there's no way to predict what's going to do well and what's going to resonate with people i don't think i i don't think i'm a good storyteller to be honest and i'm trying to hone that i'm trying to be a matt cox well practice practice that's all it is yeah this is only my third podcast too yeah you might want to get a drink a couple cups of coffee before you you start

get a little bit more yeah but then again you don't exactly have a story that you probably should be overwhelmingly, um, enthusiastic about you'd come off as insensitive. So you're, you know, I know what the, the ultimate, what's ultimately going to send you to prison. You see what I'm saying? Like I know that, but I also know that, you know, like, it's fucked up my life. Like, I go to, if I go somewhere and somebody recognizes me or something like that or my dating life sucks, uh, you know, as soon as they're somebody Googles my name, it's over with. Like, I literally met girls off dating apps and I would give him my phone number and it would be like nothing because they must have, I don't know, they run my name and there you go. Listen, I let me tell you.

I, exactly that I went on, what was it? I think it was Bumble. Yeah. And one time I had met this chick on Bumble and, you know, the whole thing and went to meet her at a restaurant. I mean, we're doing, like we're going to meet it for a restaurant. It's great. And as we're going, because we're still communicating through the app. She said, hey, I don't have a great cell service.

Can you give me your cell number? So we don't have to go through the app. You know, there's a delay. The whole, I was like, sure, I sent her the cell number. She never shows up. And I waited 30 minutes. And I realized she's not answering. And then, of course, I'm trying to get to her through the app.

And then suddenly... You're blocked. There's nothing. It's not just blocked. By the time I get back, the app is shut. They've kicked me off. She reports me because you're not allowed to be a felon. So she reports me.

And then I went on another app that I had been using. I get kicked off that one too. So somehow or another, she finds me, and this is only a couple days later, finds me on the other app, boom, closes me down on that one too. And I thought, and then I've got people who are telling me I had actual, like a front of mine who was a female friend. Yeah. And she's like, you really, you're going to have to just use a complete alias. And then once the girl gets to know you, explain to her, I'm like, oh, that's even worse.

Yeah. And now we're fucking four days in and what? I said, I'm banging some chick. We're four or five dates in and I'm hitting it. And then I'm like, oh, by the way, I'm a, my name's nice. It's great at family dinner. If I ever date a woman, you know, and I sit at the table. So tell me what you do for work, John, or what, you know, your life.

I'm like, well. Oh, you can see. skip right over. I usually, I, I, you can, you can blend right over that if you have, if you have, well, I mean, I'm saying, like, if you went, I wouldn't. I would, I would, I lean into the whole thing all the time, but it's totally damaged me. Like jobs, I couldn't not find a job to save my life, uh, dating could not find it. Listen, I went on a date one time. I mean, you've got to have these stories. I went on date one time, first date. And as we're sitting there talking, she's like, I seem like a great guy. What's going, what's stuff with? And I said, I said, I said, I said, I said, there's there is an issue she's like your merit i'm like no i said just a little issue i said uh i i said i i i recently got out of federal prison and she was like what and i went for what yeah yeah i said not a big deal not a big deal i said i i committed bank fraud and i went to prison and now i'm out i said i'm out and i'm kind of start my life over again but i think i should say that and and she was how long she's she's she was

bank fraud she was how long did you go and i was like about roughly 13 years she's 13 years man we're in a fucking we're in place people are like what and i'm like oh it's not a big deal she stopped saying that she says they don't put people in prison for 13 years because it's not a big deal yeah and i'm sitting there thinking this ain't working out i already know this ain't working out she's sounds out a little hysterical right and so i end up we're talking we start talking i'm like i'm trying to calm her down but she's not having it it didn't work out And it was so funny, what happened was I, I ended up, what happened was, what happened was, I said, listen, I said, this is the way I look at it. There's two kinds of people, those people that understand the person I was, the things I've done, I said, and the person that I am today, I said, and there are those people that can go fuck themselves.

Yeah. I said, so I said, you don't seem like, I'm still running at, even 10 years later, you know, 10 years I've been out of prison. I'm still learning that shit, man. Yeah. Because I don't like to be judged or, you know, like, oh, he's lying. I'm like, well, I'm still trying to learn to say, fuck you. What you guys say?

Look, I'm not a liar. Okay. I'm just an attempted murderer. Like, this is a totally different thing. Like, I'm honest. I mean, it's worked on my behalf. I'm honest. In a lot of situations, this worked great, you know.

Don't fuck with that guy. Yeah. In prison sometimes, you know, I'm like, yeah. Yeah, the quiet guy in the corner. That's the guy you got to worry about. But I never had a problem. in prison. I knew people and I would spend my days like

they wouldn't want to hear crazy stories and I would tell them the stories of hanging out with certain country artists. No. And the Jason. No, not Jason. Yeah, the guy that played Michael Myers. Yeah, Michael Myers. Wait, that's

Halloween. Yeah, Halloween. Yeah. He played in the first Halloween movie. He was the unmasked Michael Myers. And I, oh, yeah, I forgot to tell you this that uh unmasked michael my the first one here's a cool here's something cool for the show but what uh this guy him and i became very close i met him when i got out of prison whenever he got out of prison boston george george young oh okay they made the movie blow yeah i know

johnny well maybe they no he died yeah he died yeah four years ago but i spent the last two years of his life with him where was this in miami was he in miami no he was living back in boston Oh, Massachusetts. Didn't he get, did he get back with his ex-wife? No, he met this girl while he was in prison. Her name was Rhonda. Oh, shout out to you, Rhonda. But yeah, he was kind of doing this book tour, tour kind of thing.

I met him through this guy named Antonio, and we hit it off. Because he was on a grander scale than I could ever imagine. But him and I had similarities. I do have a question. Sure. Because when I was locked. up the guy that was kind of he was I don't want to say he was I don't know he was I don't know how to say it he was an advocate for for for Boston George yes amazing dude most amazing guy ever

man well I knew I knew one of the guys who was a sally with him for about six months he said he was an asshole really yeah um he got drunk he could be well this was like most people I know that knew him or had interactions with him in prison said like fucking dick they were like completely dick dude was cool as cool and that's cool but um and that's cool but uh this guy used to communicate with him all the time like they would go visit him everything and when i got out of prison i always wanted to look him up and his name was george young oh no the guy you're talking about i'm sorry i tell you talking about i'm nervous man i'm joking Carlos Lader?

Wasn't Carlos Lader. No, Carl Sleaders locked up. He's gone. They deported him. He got out a few years ago. I understand. But when I was locked up,

this is a guy that was going to visit George Young, Boston, Boston George, whatever, George Young. He was going to visit him regularly. I mean, they're going there. He's buying him hamburgers. He's putting money on his books, everything.

Then he started coming to visit me. Okay. His name was Eric Hill. Okay. And I always wanted. wondered, but you, Eric Hill is so common. Yeah. So I've got out and I've tried to look him up on Facebook.

Like I knew he lived in Texas. I tried to look at him up. You're saying, he flew in one time to see me. Wow. Actually, it was twice. I think he came to see me twice. He would put money on my books. Like he was, yeah, it was a super cool guy.

We would, um, and, you know, he was a good guy. And, um, but then I forget what happened. Like basically we just kind of faded. Yeah, you know, it fased. Right. After a prison. Right. so he just you know stopped uh coming around and um but i was wanted to look him up because

he was a super hyper guy too he was he was insane yeah but i always wanted to look him up uh but i can i can't find i have great stories with george and i like i said two years last two years of his life life with him the documentary they did famous without the fortune george is wearing that black dress shirt like i i have that black dress shirt encased in glass above my bed at my house okay uh they sent it to me. I was actually going to go to his funeral. Johnny Depp was going to be there, but Johnny Depp was going through the Amber Heard stuff at the time.

Oh, okay. So Johnny Depp didn't make it. But I was like, I want to meet Johnny fucking Depp. This is going to be cool. But he was like a dad to me, man. We would talk about stories about his time. And he had like total recall. He could tell you story after story after story. Some of the stuff they don't play

in the movie, of course. But yeah, I've heard that about him like you were saying. He was an asshole, but no, he, he, he was, you ever heard the term about Hawaii? Like, the island either accepts you or denies you. You ever heard that about Hawaii? No. Yeah, there's like some weird thing about the island that it will spit you out or will accept you.

And now it's kind of like George. He would either accept you or, you know, become your immediate friend or you're a nobody to him. Well, he must have hated Eric's guts because Eric said he would scream at him and yell at him. And my buddy who was his roommate for, I don't know, months or a year or something like that uh he would say he's like look like he was like he would he'd yell at inmates he'd scream at people he's no you know i never got that you know you know but i'm but then again i don't think that my buddy um it was uh anthony curt his name's anthony said i never had a problem with him he's like but i've seen him just scream at people and yell

he's like i mean he would just he is it was it was ridiculous he's like he was yeah he was totally awesome guy man nothing bad to say about him uh i I think about them, probably on a daily basis. I loved him, man, very much. Really cool, you know. And he was like, you ain't shit to me, poet. You know, he had that raspy voice. You know what he told Eric, he told Eric, when Eric had sent him my manuscript.

And he said, did you read the manuscript? And he said, yeah, I read it. And he goes, tell your boy, he said he didn't steal enough money. That's the problem He called me kid That was his nickname for me He would call me Hey kid I'm coming to Tampa

I'm gonna come stay with you during the Super Bowl I'm like all right George All right Georgie Come on You know just Love this scotch It was cool Everywhere he went like

You know Whenever I was hanging out with him He was in a wheelchair bound At that point A brown root crew spider Like bit his fucking toe on the beach in California or some shit and his toe like totally like rot it off and he had to get it amputated and so he was like in a fucking wheelchair did he ever reconnect with his daughter yeah he did

yeah i had heard that but yeah they try to create a little small business together you know the boston george gear type shit yeah like they could just never get it right you know so well and then i had from eric i had heard that somebody had uh somebody had the well all the websites tied up with his name and problem with george is he was looking for a fast buck with anybody so he would sell his life rights to anybody if you came with a contract he would sign it if you so there's like probably like 30 fucking people with the boston george rights right now you know his wife ronda uh domestic partner whatever you want to call her she's been fighting for that stuff i guess there's a strain out in california with the boston george and she's been

trying to fight that because she's she doesn't live good i think she works at subway bro right you know i mean there's no there's no happy ending to drug dealers there's none not not even mine i mean i i'm not i'm not in prison but i don't have that fucking happy end you would think boston george's wife is living this fucking dream of a life no he got out with nothing he got out and and it's it's difficult for these guys to get out and put their lives back together because i think they're yeah i feel like they're chasing that high or something and yeah if you're If you get out of prison and you're humble and appreciative, I think things come much easier to you because you're willing to work slowly for them.

And if they don't happen, you're still just happy to be out of prison and happy to be, you know, be able to turn the TV, watch YouTube. It's free. And, you know, like that sort of thing. And I think a lot of these guys, they get out and they think, yeah, I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that. And then everything collapses and falls apart. and they're chasing this dream

and they don't want to get a real job and they expect big bucks and it just doesn't happen. It's sad, man. He was doing like, you know, the book signings and the tours and speaking engagements. I actually booked him a speaking engagement

and I promoted it and we had him here in Tampa and it was sad to see it, but I just loved him so much, you know. He was drunk and just, you know. See what I'm saying? Like you can't hold it together. It's like you got to hold it together. No.

It's like you got a whole. Hold it together, bro. I'm like, bro, what did you do with the money that they gave you for the movie? He only made, like, they only gave him like $250,000 for the movie. That money's gone. Yeah, it was gone, bro. He was still living like I was. You know, I thought I was still making all that money.

And I was living like I was still a drug dealer when I wasn't. And he was doing the same fucking thing, man. Like, it's a funny story. He was out to eat and he was ordering scotches. And, you know, a buddy of ours was paying for the meal. And he's ordering like $100, $250 scotch drinks, you know. It's like the fuck are you doing that? Somebody is paying for your meal.

Right. You don't fucking order $100. Yeah, it was like $1,000 just in the drinks alone. That's just how he was. He just, yeah, yeah. He thought he was still. You don't think that's a dick. Nah, because it wasn't my money.

Okay. But he didn't know. The guy said, buy whatever, he was enamored a fan. Buy whatever you want. I don't care what it is. If you say that to someone Fuck Yeah

And he loved his scotch So I have fun times with George Man I loved them It was great There is I have actually a picture Of him and I

In a hotel Because he got shot in a hotel With the drug deal Gone Bad thing In the movie Oh okay I didn't Yeah

You said for sure You in the hotel No Come on I'm judging Yeah he was not my war daddy He was not my war daddy I was not in prison

with skinny pants like you with a camel toe mat Kiki hey Hey bro you get down Matt you get down Matt you get down Matt no It wasn't you get down is you need anything Yeah you need anything hey You need another cup of coffee bro I gotcha you need some shoes I got you whatever you know I'm good

You want to play some chess No I don't know what that means Let's go you have you have dreamy eyes You can tell your story No that's it No he showed me the bullet wound in the movie where the drug deal gone bad with Carlos later in the hotel

he gets shot in the shoulder like he showed me that bullet wound and I was like fucking blown away I was like oh oh it's fucking oh my God he's like I also got shot in the ass running from the Federale you want to see that too

I'm like no but I would love to if you'd like to show me but now George's character love him great guys hey you guys I appreciate you watching do a favor hit the subscribe button and hit the bell so get notified of videos just like this.

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