Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Celebrity Insider Exposes the Reality Behind Fame & Fortune

Episode Date: August 31, 2026

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So drugs to John McAvey. I spent the last two years of his life with him. I'm hanging in VIP with this country star. There's Michael Myers and Candyman. They're doing my... The newspapers said that I was the ringleader in this organization called This Society. So now they plagued me as this cult leader?

Yeah. Johnny Depp was going through the Amber Heard stuff at the time. He says, if I go to prison, that would be detrimental to him being part of my group. The Society. So 17, you couldn't really get in the clubs because you had to be 18. We would, you know, know somebody that would get us in the club.

My buddy knew the security or whatever he would get us in. That was like the cool thing. I don't scream drug dealer. Right. But, you know, someone came up to me and it's like, hey, can you get me any beans? I'm like, beans. I know the 7-Eleven. Right.

You know, on 7th Avenue here, they can get you some beans. You know, everybody's laughing at me. They're like, no, man, they mean an X. I'm like, oh, I'm like, no, I don't know where to get that. I didn't use drugs at the time. I would drink. So I, you know, kind of asked around where these beans. were and you know found them and I would buy it from that person and go find the person and

ask me for me, hey, I got the beans that you were looking for and give it to them. What do you do and just adding a couple bucks to each one? Yeah, a couple bucks, not making, you know, nothing. They were, you know, I forgot how much back then they were, you know, hang out with the DJs. I thought it was a cool kid, my little group of friends. We did that every weekend. It was a recurring thing. People would ask me about beans or X.

and I would find them and, you know, I thought I was, you know, cool because I would find whatever they were looking for. Did you actually have like a contact or you just know? You're just finding guys that have them, buying 10 of them and going and sell them for seven bucks a piece. Right. Right. Made a couple bucks, $20 or whatever.

Right. I mean, that's not paying your bills. No. I worked a regular job during the week, you know, I floated around jobs a lot. As time went on, I would see like the search. guy in the club all the time whenever he would show up like everybody had these beans right and you know whenever he gone he was gone like nobody had him anymore i'm like man i got to meet that guy and you know eventually him and i started to talk because i was a dj and he enjoyed the music and enjoyed the craft

of it all i started to talk to him i'm like hey man you know what i can find any beans at all he's like yeah how many you want i'm like 10 you know Is that a lot? And he's like, no, I get you 10. He gave me 10. I forgot what I paid for him back then. He's like, if you need any more, let me know. I said, great.

Got his phone number. I kind of was like, man, you know, I can make. I'm making like $200, whatever it was a week at a job. I mean, I can do this full time and, you know, go to these clubs on a nightly basis and throw my little underground raves that I'm throwing and DJing and selling drugs. I don't need to work anymore. Right. Like, man, that would be great.

That would be the mission. It's for suckers. Yeah, working's for suppers, man. Who wants to pay taxes? This is tax-free X money right here. Right. And I never be old enough to need to file for social security. Yeah.

I'll never make it. So I'm in my early 20s. Fun time, man. I just have so many great stories about doing this. And I think I was making like $400 a week at my regular job. And on the weekends, I would make, anywhere from $1,200 to $1,500 in my pocket, free and clear. And my connection, he always seemed to have him.

Like, he was never running out. So this went on for years, I did this. I got really, you know, started to get really popular. Some of the clubs are closed now. There was an after hours called Night Moves that was in my newspaper article. And the castle in Ebor City, it's still open to this day. I'm probably not allowed in there anymore, but they said that in the article that I was the king of the castle,

the king of the underground because of this stuff. So I'm waiting to go to the club one night, and I can't get a hold of him. I'm like thinking, oh, maybe he's at the casino because he would do that a lot, just not answering the phone. And I'm wondering, you know, something's wrong here. So I finally find them. Have you ever Googled your name?

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And he told me that he was on his way to see me. He had 100 X pills on him. And he was with a buddy and his buddy got pulled over for a DUI. And he was freaked out that they were going to take him to jail for the X. So he ended up swallowing them all. A hundred fucking pills, man. And he OD'd. Right.

And, you know, they pumped his stomach. And he was looking at me and he said, you know, poet, I got to, you know, I can't do this anymore. You know, I don't want to go to jail. I don't want to die. And I said, what about me, man? You know, you can't forget about me here. Like, this is my livelihood. I quit my job.

Right. You know, the DJ is not paying me that much. I'm like, I need this stuff. he's like well i can maybe talk to my guy for you i said yeah man talk to your guy let me see you know see what you can do for me so it's the next day he talked to his guy and the guy's like is this the you know the guy that's been selling all your ex for you and you know my connect that the the connect that over deed he said yeah this is the guy so he ended up introducing me to the guy he was getting it from he told me he said hey man you know

He owes me thousands of dollars. And I said, hey, what about if I keep my price the same and I'll pay off his debt for him? So they thought that was, you know, the greatest thing ever that I'm honorable enough to pay off this guy's debt. So it took me two weeks and I had his debt paid off. So my price dropped. So back in Ebor City, in the nightclubs there, I was primarily selling. out of the castle and the after hours night moves. And it just started to build every weekend, every weekend.

It was just more and more and more and more. And I started to go to like other bars in the area. So every night of the week, Monday I was at this bar, Tuesday, I was at this bar, Wednesday, I was at this bar, and so on and so forth. And I started to recruit people into selling for me or with me. Right. And the newspapers said that I was the ringleader in this organization called this society. Maybe it was a playoff.

My nickname poet. I have no idea. Right. But it never had a name. Like, I have no idea where they got that from. Where poet come from? Poet came from my grandmother. I, like, scribbled a little poem for her.

And she's like, you're my little poet. I was like, yeah, I'm poet, bitch. That's right. You know, that's the name. And later on, when I started to sell E, party on E tonight, poet. So, yeah, clever. I was sure the judge thought was clever.

I haven't covered up now, but I tattooed it in block letters. You could still see it because I wanted my name, poet, to be, you know, referenced with E. If you think of E, I wanted you to think of poet because I'm the guy that has it. Right. Yeah, billboard. Walking billboard, dumb, you know, cops. Yeah. working with the connect the main connect he had as many as i could possibly sell right it was

non-stop at the time i was unheard of because you would have fly-by-night drug dealers that would sell it and you know they would be out the next day this this guy never it was never it was like a melting pot of x pills i mean i had whatever i want but i wanted to sell small i didn't want to sell anybody 200 or 300 or 400 because I profited more if I sold it small. And I was really scared to sell large. Right. You know, I didn't know the laws back then or anything like that. So I wanted to keep it small. And that would, if I'm selling it to you small, you're going to be a consumer, not a dealer. If I sell you 100, I know you're not taking 100 pills. Right. Unless you're my first guy that. Unless you get pulled over by the lease. Yeah. Yeah. On a DUI stop. There you go.

So that went on for, you know, years working with The Connect. How, I mean, what kind of money are you making every, you know, a month? That's the thing people ask me. I have no idea. It was, I don't, I can't pinpoint like a number. I think back then I was making like four or five thousand dollars a week maybe. Okay. I don't know.

Profit. Right. I was making that. So that could be anywhere between like 15,000 to, let's say 20,000, 25,000, just depended. Yeah. Yeah, just depended. I mean, there's no drug forecasting.

Right. You know, there's no drugologist here that can forecast of how much drugs are going to sell for the week. But I knew my heavy nights were like Fridays and Saturdays. But I still couldn't tell you how much money I was making back then. It was small. I thought I was, you know, king shit. Well, I mean, to a teenager, if you were making $20,000 a month, that's a fucking ton of money. And I remember when we were teenagers, well, it was probably 18 or 19, we would buy.

steroids from a guy who was a drug dealer and I remember we went to his house and he was like six foot tall and we went to it not wasn't a house it was an apartment but he had like a two-bedroom two-bath apartment and a brand new apartment complex he drove a corvette who worked out all the time so all he did was work out and sell drugs and we went to his house I remember had a huge fish tank you know it's just like he and He was probably 30-something years old, 30, 35 years old. We were teenagers, and I just thought he was the coolest guy ever. He drives a Corvette.

You know, I'm not thinking to myself, you drive a Corvette that you probably, that was probably financed or is the payment's probably $1,500. Your insurance is probably outrageous. You live in an apartment that you don't own. You know what I'm saying? You spend all your money out. You've spent probably $4,000 or $5,000 in this ridiculous. fish tank.

You know what I'm saying? Everything about him was like flash. Super hot girlfriend. Worked out all the time. Like I thought it was, you know, all the things that he was spending his money on were stupid. But I just thought he was the coolest fucking thing. And I know he thought he had the life. Like we thought he's got the life.

That was my connection. Yeah. No. This guy, I remember too, he answered. He loved himself too because he answered the door. I remember in a pair of shorts with his shirt off and he had abs. Oh, yeah. And he was, you know, he's tall.

And he's like, come on in, you guys. You know, it's like you're, we're like 17, 18, 18 year old kids. Like, and you're 35 years old. And, you know, we just think you're the coolest. Yeah. My hot girlfriend with her tits hanging out. Yeah. And the truth is, you know, he was pathetic. You know what I'm saying?

I was like, now I look at him. I'd be like, bro, you're 35 years old. You're just. Stop it. Yeah. You're selling steroids. And he was probably selling. I mean, I knew he was selling other drugs because I knew my buddy bought from him.

So I knew he was doing that. You know, so I knew he was selling all kinds of stuff. But it's so funny when you're that age, how you think, how cool you think. You know what I'm saying? Right. I'm making this much money. Yeah, and coming from a broken home, not getting attention. Yeah.

You know, now. But you're the man. I'm the man now. When I would go in these clubs, it's like, Poets here. Right. You know, I'm the life of the party. And I had a connection that it was never a point where he was like, no, I don't have any. Right.

So I felt I could just sell as many as I could, make as much. much money as I could. And I was going to live off my days doing this. I didn't have a future plan. Right. And I never had any problems in a nightclub either because, you know, everybody in a nightclub, they all have their price. The doorman, the security, most of them were buying from me. Right. The bartenders. It's not like somebody came up. You can't come around here. Right. Yeah, it was no pressure at all. So I'm at the after hours night moves one night. And I meet this stripper we have a connection with strippers don't we matt i met uh and then in early 2000s you know she had fake breast so that was like you know a given a thing like you didn't

it's a given there yeah they're all they all have not all but i'm sure she was a major blow kid and i i didn't know anything about blow i mean i heard of it i've never done it like you know she liked the role x right um we they i got introduced by her so you know of course i'm chilling at her all the time, you know, selling X out of her house and going to the nightclubs, DJing. And, you know, she was the daytime stripper. And she would come home and complain about the dealer never showed up and she couldn't find it and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And one day she asked, she goes, can you get it? I said, I don't know.

I was like, it's too complicated for me. Powdered bags. I don't know. I deal with E. I deal with X. Right. So it's a pill. Yeah.

It's come on. It's easy. Yeah. This power, I didn't know anything. I was so green with it. I didn't know how it sold. I didn't know anything. I was like, well, I can call him.

Let me see if I can obtain this for you. So I give him a call. I'm like, hey, man, can you find any bloke? And he starts to laugh. He's like, that's what I mainly do. Right. He's like, the X is just a side thing, man. And I said, you know, by the way, we don't call it that.

If you're ever going to call me, you need to call it T-shirts. If you ever need to need to. any t-shirts. I said, okay, t-shirts. Can you find me any t-shirts? Yeah. It's like, how many do you want? I said, I want one. I said, what is one? He's like, you want an ounce? I said, yeah, I'll take one ounce. How much is that? He's like, $500. I said, cool. I was I'll let you know. Hang up the phone. Her name was Nicole. I said, Nicole, I can find it. It's $500 an ounce. She's like, 500. That's garbage. It's cut. No, you know, 500. That's bullshit. That's bullshit. There's no way it's that cheap. So my guy's telling me, my ex-guy is telling me it's

500. She's like, I won't get it. And I said, okay. And when I went to go see him, to pick up some more X, I pick up that, I bring it to her. She does it, of course. And she's like, oh my God, you said 500? I'm like, yeah. She's, well, this goes for, you know, 15, whatever, 1,500. So I start running numbers in my head. I'm getting it for 5. I can make a thousand. dollars off just one right like this is better than the X so I give her the the ounce and she goes to the club and ends up selling it all in the strip club in Tampa and which strip club I can't tell you it's still open 20 years ago it's still open oh my God yeah class act yeah do you know anything about class act you ever been in class act no I've been in

Mons, not because I wanted to. I was dragged in there. Places of Dive. Scarlet's dollhouse. Scarlets, they just got busted. Did they? Yeah, a couple months ago for running prostitution or something. Isn't there one that is like a spaceship?

Oh, that's 2001. Oh. Isn't it gone? 2001, is it still there? Yeah, it's still there. Really? I think I heard about it. Yeah, a John Mayer concert or something.

Yeah, 2001, I actually know the manager of that place named Todd. So Class Act, she worked there at daytime selling out of the place, and, you know, she sold it relatively quickly there. So I was looking at the numbers. I'm like, man, you could sell that. I can make $1,000 in one shot. Like, I'm going to, you know, get into this business. So through her and my connections at the castle,

and night moves and other bars and stuff I was selling out of. I was doing with the main connect, he would not front me anything. It was only a cash basis. So I was going to his house, you know, three, four times a day sometimes to get, you know,

an ounce or two ounces. And I always put back my profit into the X and the powder. So he, one day I call him and I'm like I need four shirts which is four ounces right and I need you know four you know he called him CDs I need four CDs so it's 400 and 400 however I don't remember that amount so I go to his house and he has this Hennessy box he opens up the Hennessy box and there's just you know bags and bags of the powder and I'm like what is that and he's like that's like that's a hundred. I'm like, 100 what? He's like, that's 100 ounces. I said, oh, okay. And he's like,

do you want it? I said, do I want it? I'm like, uh, I don't have, you know, $50,000. Right. It's like, I don't have $50,000. I only have the money I came for the four and the four. And he says, well, how about I front it to you? I said, you're going to front me $50,000 worth of powder. I was like, man, if something happens here, I'm, you know, my ass is going to be in trouble with this. Right. He's like, don't worry about it. Because him and I've been doing good business for years now. Yeah. On a cash basis. He's like, you're coming by my house too much. You know, I trust you. You know, I'm like, okay. So I took, it was, uh, it was 50,000 in the powder and whatever the X I picked up and he gave me more than the four.

So it was on the lines of maybe 800 pills, perhaps. I don't really know. I remember that it was the $50,000. I remember that. It was a big thing. I was like, holy shit. You know, I feel like I'm fucking Pablo Escobar. And that's close to like three kilos, 100 ounces.

It's like 36 and a kilo, something like that. All right. I'll take your word for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. The metric system.

Yeah. I don't know. So I took that. and I think I left there and I owed him like 75,000 something, something on the lines of that much. And that was, you know, crazy to me. Last I ever saw him. Yeah, I left.

I left with Matt Cox. We were on the run together. Through the beeper away or the cell phone. I started a mortgage company. Yeah. No. So I'm scared because if I lose this, I don't have 75,000 laying around to give this dude. Strippers aren't cheap.

No. I'm making only a couple thousand, you know, 4,000, whatever it was at the time profit. So I got scared, you know, to pay this guy off. So I would baggy it up. My day consisted of bagging the shit up in grams and eight balls. I found it to be, you know, an eight ball is 3.5. So 3.5 grams.

And I was like, that's going to be hard to divvy out in my pocket doing it in the club. I was like I got to bag it out all in grams. So I was like, I'll sell four grams for $150. And at the time, nobody was selling powder at $40 a gram. You know, I come on the scene. I have all this. I'm selling it for $40 a gram. So my contacts in night moves, the castle.

I start to build a team of the society. Right. No, no. Probably about like 30 guys, you know, guys and girls. I would front it to them, sell it to them cash, whatever. And, you know, I was pretty much, they called me the drug ring leader of this group. And that's how it went. I was making. I mean, it sounds accurate. Yeah. Look at me. I know what you're saying. So far it sounds accurate. It does it? Yeah, because you're the one who's arranging all these guys. You're supplying them. That's. That's what a ringleader is. That's what it does. Yeah. So I am a drug ringleader.

Yeah, it just doesn't sound. Former. Yeah. It's like the first article I read about me. They called me a con man. I'm like, Khan man. Con man.

And you describe what I did. You're like, okay. So, and this stuff is going relatively quickly. And I would, I was so nervous because I owed him all this money. I would call him and say, hey man, I got,

I got $5,000. Do you want me to bring it by? your house. And he's like, no, I don't keep it. I'm like, okay. So, you know, a couple days later or a week later, I would call, hey, I got 10,000. Do you want me to bring it by? Yeah, yeah, you can bring by if you want. So I'll go to his house, give him the 10,000. This is, this is so accurate. I gave him the 10,000. He opens up another box. It's like, I have 50 more ounces here. I have a thousand more pills. Do you want it? I said, bro, I owe you 65. I have all this. I'm like, no. I'm like, I don't want to take it. Yeah. You haven't got rid of the stuff you've already?

Correct. And he's like, no, just take it. He's like, I trust you. I said, okay. Yeah, I feel like I'm being set up at this point. Yeah. There's no reason to load me up with a bunch of drugs. He loaded me up. And a lot of the times, and this happened, it wasn't on a weekly basis. It was maybe every three weeks, every month, I would go there and it would turn into, you know, I owe you 75. Now I owe you 150,000. Now I owe you 175,000. And I would try to pay him off. And this is not, uh, this goes on for months.

I just, he always loads me up. And sometimes I would just deny it. Like, bro, I got fucking five keys, man. Right. I have, you know, uh, what it, you know, two thousand, three thousand pill. I don't need this shit anymore, you know. So when, when it comes to, in my, my case, when it comes to drug dealing, Like I didn't have like how people how much were you making or how much was this?

It's like, no, I was always paying them off. I always had debt with them. I don't think anybody wants an actual ledger. Right. I think they're just trying to say in general, what were you making? Like nobody's, yeah, like, what was your lifestyle? Yeah, there's no bookkeeping. Yeah, they want to know like, you know, what kind of car were you driving this time?

Where you were, were you still living in the little party house and? No, you know, I was with Nicole. I broke up with, uh, Nicole and I had my own little, I had a luxurious townhouse actually. Nice. Thank you. Yeah. What kind of car?

I had at the time, I did have a Corvette at one point. Yeah, I did have a Corvette. I had a Corvette. I had a Kia when the Kia's first came out. Like I had one of them. It was like. When they first came out were like the worst car. Yeah, it was like a Kia Sophia.

Kia, Black Kia, Safia, that was like hot shit. So I kind of started getting a reputation around town. I mean, I wasn't the only drug dealer. Yeah, yeah. You know, I started getting the reputation, the rep, as in, you know, the guy that I always had it. Like that was the great thing about me as a drug dealer's, I always had it. You call me? Yeah, you know, and I started to operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365.

I'm never out of my house but I was always out in the club so in Tampa they never closed man you know or I was at the casino Seminole Hard Rock yeah man they had a nightclub inside of there called Floyd's

do you remember Floyd's inside of it I was locked out by this point yeah it went on for a while I actually met I won't mention the name and you're not going to force the name out of me but and in these clubs I would go to like I always had VIP because I was the drug guy right everybody loved me so I'm in I'm chilling at Floyd's in the Tampa hard rock and the security comes up to me they're like hey

poet man this girl wants to see you in VIP I'm like who is she and he mentions the name and she had like the hot country song out at the time I'm like no bro he's like yeah she wants she needs some X man I'm like all right I'll go up there and I'm like bothering me and I'm like bothering me and I Shani Twain. What's that? I'm not going to say her name. I don't want to get sued. We need it for the thumbnail.

Yeah. We need it for the thumbnail. I'm not going to get sued, bro. You're not going to get sued. It's fine. So if anybody's getting sued, it's us. Yeah. Yeah, you guys are going to get fucking sued.

Yeah. And keep in mind, too. This is a long time ago. Nobody's getting busted. Satchel limitations is up. Shani Twain wants to do a little bit of blow. It was not her. We'll just assume it was her.

I just assume it's, I'll say, like, I'll put Shonai, I'm not on the thumb. No, I don't do it. I'll do it. She did a song with Kid Rock. That's all I'm going to say. Let's move on with the show. Matthew Cox's show.

Let's go. You guys so want to know. Are you country fans? I am a country fan. And a Kid Rock fan. Okay. So it's funny that I can't find it. I'm just a fan of some good clickbait.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. Cheryl Crow, Gretchen Wilson, Miranda Lambert, Dolly Parton. Miranda Lambert. No. Well, we have a 25.

percent chance. Kid Rock is on for collaborating with female country artists. I'll give you other good, great thumbnails better than that. You know who Tony Todd is? Candyman, you never watched the movie? The horror movie? Classic Candyman? How about Halloween? You know who Michael Myers is? Of course.

Tony Moran played Michael Myers in the movie. So I'm in a hotel in Tampa. There's Michael Myers and Candyman. They're doing my fucking blow. I'm chilling on the couch watching two horror movie icon. Michael fucking Myers doing my fucking blow, bro. Like,

I love the guy on TikTok who, with Michael Myers where he There was like three of them that played Michael Myers. No, I mean, where he does it with his kid, that he plays. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They dance with the, I have so many of famous people.

Anyways, I'm in Floyd's. They bring me up to the area. And this song is hot right now. Right. I'm wearing like big old shades, you know, like J-Lo shades in the club thinking I was all hot shit. Right.

You know, security. Her security stops me. She, like, gives him the motion, and I, you know, sit next to her. And she's, like, tries to take my glasses. I'm like, I'm poet, bitch. Like, you ain't taking my glasses? She wants to wear my shades. And she's like, do you know who I am?

I'm like, I know who you are. I'm like, let me see some ID. And my buddies were, like, laughing because I actually card her to make sure it's really her. It's kind of funny. But I end up selling her. What's the ID say? I can't tell you. But I didn't sell her any X

I actually gave it to her I was just so like Oh this is cool bro I just give it to her The whole stars Like stars don't pay for drugs They don't pay for anything So I thought it was cool

I'm hanging in VIP with this country star Yeah So I'm like here You know Never got her number exchanged or anything I don't know where I was going With that story

Why did I even go to that story Well it's because you are now labeled The Celebrity Dealer Yeah No don't do that The celebrity dealer I actually sold drugs to John McAfee too.

There you go. John McAfee. That's how I have... Maccify is it Macafee. Macafee. The McAfee and antivirus software. You were selling to McAfee and, and, uh, Dali Parton. Yeah.

All them. It was, it's not like they got my phone number and we like hung out all the time. I'm not suggesting that. I'm just saying. It was just a one and done, you know. I thought I was popular than them at the time. Right. So, you know, I have this hot fucking townhouse.

house and the Corvette, you know, selling steroids with my, no, just kidding. So I thought I was hot shit and this, this went on for years. Like, there was a point in time where, you know, at the castle, it's like a old school. It looks like a castle. Right. And there's upstairs. And when I would walk into that club, sometimes they would bring me in through the exit door. I wouldn't even go through the front door in the line of people.

go through the exit door. You know, I couldn't even make it up the staircase. It would take me 10 minutes to get up the staircase. People shaking my hand like the president fucking arrived. At one point, I even hired a security guy to walk around with me in the clubs I would go to to sell drugs. Like, I never had an issue. And to this day, I can walk into a nightclub or a bar and I can clock the place within, you know, minutes. I can tell you who's who, who's selling, somebody is selling, whatever.

so I'm at the height of my my power I think at this point in time you know always owed the guy my connect always owed him there was never a point where I was like woo I got you paid off right I would look at the pile of low or the X and think okay if I owe him 40 grand if I minus the 40 grand I'll have this that's my profit that's how I kind of regulated my spending habits because Because it went from a kid not having no money to someone that has a lot now. It's almost like a person that wins the lottery. You hear about them guys, they win like fucking 50 million and they're broke within a year. Yeah.

That was me. I just was spending crazy shit. Like, there was another stripper. I started to mess with. I had like many of girlfriends. And she would always, this is back before Uber's. And she would always complain like, I can't find a taxi cab. That's why I didn't come over.

So I got pissed off at her. I said, what kind of car you want? She told me the car. I went out and bought a car for it. I was like, now you have no excuse. When I call you, you come over. Bought her a car. Buying my friend's cars.

My group of friends, they were going like bike night every week. And they were rag on me like, you don't have a motorcycle. You can't go with us. So the next day I went down to the Suzuki dealership and I bought a brand new motorcycle. That's just kind of like my spinning habits at that time. so I would go to bike night with him on my motorcycle. Weird shit. I even bought a throne for my place where I lived so I could sit in my throne thinking I was the king of the underground, you know, the king of the castle.

I had a power puff girl plate just filled with blow. I would hold court on my little throne and divvy out, you know, party supplies to everyone at my house because I started to sell out of my house. It became a party house. in the clubs, entourage guys, the society. They called it the secret gothic group. Were you gothic? No, I mean, I had a, I changed my looks a lot. So one day I was, you know, I looked preppy.

The next day, I actually had a Mohawk back then. I would like flip it over to the side. So I guess you could say that. I was kind of. Was it dyed black? It kind of what? It was black and blonde streaks. Okay.

I had a friend. This is back when reality TV was popping. He had like the first tattoo reality show on the WB. Remember the WB? The WB with the frog and shit. They had the first reality show called the Tattoo Underground. Like he moved to Alabama. So I would go to Alabama and bring drugs up there.

I was taking like trips every all the time and leaving my business with other people to handle while I was going. I would come back, refill them. leave again, lavish trips, New York City, and I had friends in New York City in the club scene, and they couldn't get a lot of the glow. So in my mind, I was like, I can get it to New York City. I can get it to Alabama. In Shreveport, Louisiana, I can get it to Shreveport, Louisiana. So over time, I started to meet some key that I brought in as my key players.

There was a guy named Brad, Carleen, and Eric. and they were like my captains i guess you could say yeah mafia i can see the mafia i can see the chart now with you here and then there's a line and then it breaks up between those three yeah breaks it between yeah 45 people beneath them there is one actually 60 there is 60 man conspiracy yeah it's crazy of the society and then that followed me in prison by the way poet society Yeah, don't fucking do this to me, Matt. The Poet Society. All with Grandma saying, you're a poet.

Colby, can we get him? Come on. I can see. I actually feel like Grandma's sitting at the kitchen table explaining. Listen, poet, you're at the head of the society. And it's a society. Oh, Jesus. You're going to be a successful drug dealer.

Yeah. Because she knows because she used to sling a little. Oh, right. And she's saying, you're going to have a nickname. We're going to go with poet. Remember the poem you wrote me? What does grandma say about the tattoo on your arm? Oh, wow.

My nickname on your arm. This is horrible, guys. I'm never coming to the Matt Cox show again. So what, so you're, you're the, you're the, you're the, you're the, I'm the celebrity drug dealer. Celebrity drug dealer. Basically, you know, I could give you a list of clients, but I'm not going to. I mentioned a few Let's just make them up

Yeah, no, don't Don't, man We'll just Just your favorite celebrities right now And I'll just throw it in the intro And it'll sound like it Yeah, we'll just put it on the thumbnail People will be like

Bro, that's so fucked up That dude barely even mentioned Brad Pitt You got Brad Pitt on the front No, I never met him With doing blow And what's up And celebrity this

This guy Never met him But The game Yeah That's the game So you know, I had multiple girls.

YouTube's a dirty game, bro. Multiple strippers. Malta, yeah, loved them. You did too, Matt. I didn't, I, I'm a married man. Like, this comes back on. Luckily, she's not here. Luckily, she'll be sitting right over there

and she'll just be like, and I can feel the heat on the back of my neck from the stair. Or she'll be upstairs and then she'll come walking down after and be like. Oh, yeah, just look at me. And I'm like, did I hear a stripper? No. You know, I don't have, I don't have. I don't have Matt Cox looks, so I can't get any girl I want.

You know what I mean? That's right. Yeah. So. Listen, anybody can get a stripper. Yeah, you're right. You know, you have money. Especially when you have knacks and a ton of fucking money, you can get whatever you want.

And I did. Enjoyed it. I had a new girlfriend every week. It was awesome. Spending money, just blowing money, ridiculous amounts of money. I thought I was hot shit in a neighborhood. You know, the castle in Ybor City is on like a dead end street, dead instant to like Palm. Right.

If you're familiar. You're familiar with Ybor Matt. I've owned a couple properties on Palm actually. Yeah, you know. You don't know the big ass castle right there. It looks like a fucking castle. Yeah, I think I remember it. Yeah, I remember the name of the club.

And I know there are several buildings in Ybor that look like a castle. Yeah. It's off the beaten path of, it's dead ins to Palm. But anyways, I got to the. the point where I would show up to the castle in a limousine selling drugs. Whoever pulls over a limousine. Yeah, well, who brings that kind of, what drug dealer wants to bring that kind of attention to himself?

Me, because I had no idea. I thought I was truly untouchable at that point because, I mean, I had loads of drugs in the limousine. Because you've been going for years, so. You've been going for years. You know, I got minor, I got, you know, minor trouble. but nothing that I couldn't bond out the next day kind of stuff.

So I thought I was untouchable. And on top of that, Carleen, everybody thought Carleen and I were together. That's one of the key players in my team. She was a lesbian, you know, hardcore flannel shirt, lesbian, shot out to the lesbians of the world. But she was dating.

Gates for Bose. Yeah. She was dating a cop. So I had a off-duty police officer selling drugs in the club for me as well. So with that in hand, I really thought I was hot shit. Right. But yeah, it's lonely at the top, bro.

I had all these people, had all these women, money. It's a classic story, right? Yeah, my heart goes out to you. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, fuck. Lonely at the top. This is probably around 2006, early 2006, February. Yeah, 2006.

I was in another place called the brass mug. It was on Fowler Avenue. Hole in a wall, rock bar. I didn't live too far from there at the time. And that was one of my places I would go on Tuesday nights with my entourage of guys. And there was just, you know, two girls playing pool. I knew one of them. The other one was like, you ever had love at first sight?

Like the whole world stopped with this girl. like, holy shit, who is that? I need to meet that girl. I said, Anna, you know, introduced me to her. She's like, okay, you know. She's like, that's a poet. And I'm thinking she's going to be like, oh, my God, you're a poet? Because most people did that at the time to me.

So she did not, however. She's like, well, poet, who's that? You know, don't care. So I tried my best to impress this girl. Nothing I could do impressed her. Her name was Kara. She was like a really, like, bohemian. like artist type girl.

I just fell madly in love at that moment. And, uh, I started to slip away from the business and leave it in the hands of Brad, Carlene, uh, and, uh,

Eric and my other counterparts. And, uh, I would hang out with Kara. She, she hated to call me poet. She would call me John. Um,

we would do the, like artsy things together. Like we would go to the riverwalk. Wasn't the river walk back then. But we would set up our easels and we would paint. See, I'm a painter like you. Not as good as you, but we paint. We would paint and write poetry.

She was an amazing poet. She lived in like this art warehouse with a whole bunch of other, you know, fucking hippies. Right. And we would, you know, at night, we would listen to Simon and Garfunkel on vinyl record. And it was a beautiful time for me because I actually found someone that

liked me for me. She didn't like me for the drugs, the money. And she was actually frightened. Damn, Colby, you messed up the story. Frightened, you know. Yeah, she's. He's doing my over there. She was, uh, yeah. It just blew out a gram, Colby. Good. You were talking about the tree hugger. Yeah, the tree hugger. Damn, that's a good way to put it. Yeah, she was cool. I fell madly in love with her and everybody else and my team were like, we need poet back, man. the clubs, you know. So two weeks into our little romance, I was like, you know what, I would marry you. She's like, I would marry you. So she said to me, she's like, there's a problem. She's like, if we're going to spend, you know, our life together, you know, there's no future in what you're doing.

You need to get out of the business. You know, at the time, she suffered from, you know, a bad illness. she was bulimic. So if you're familiar with that, you know, she would throw up all the time, you know, that kind of thing. It was horrible, man. But she's thin. Yeah, anorexic, yeah.

Which is nice. Yeah. She was 88.5 pounds, bro. Whoa. How tall was she? 5-2. Yeah. You're not a big guy.

No. You're a little guy. I'm like 140 right now. I used to be like... You're saying I can't get a chick that's one fucking, that's 55 and 135 and 135. 140. I mean, I need to be able to take her in a full. If it comes down to it, you have to be able to take your girl in a fair fight. You know? I think I can take a jet chick that's 90 pounds.

I could. Yeah. It was great. So I was like, well, you don't have a good life expectancy doing that either. So we kind of made a pact of promise that she would not throw up anymore and I would quit drug dealing. So two weeks later, we get married. And, uh, ridiculous. Go ahead. Yeah. Thanks. Fuck. Thanks. I feel like it's going to work out. Is she in the car now?

No, no. So we get married and I hold this extravagant party at the Hilton and Tampa, a fucking drug dealer retirement party. Who throws that kind of shit? You know, I did. They brought me a cake. It had like little icing with pills on it and lines of, you know, glow, you know, icing, of course.

And had this big retirement party. I was giving it all up. You know, people were left scrambling. Like, what are we going to do? Blah, blah, blah. I still had a pile of drugs that, because I still owe my guy. I always owed him. I forgot how much it was at the time.

I think I owed him maybe 30, 40,000, something like that. I ended up, I told her, I said, the deal is that whenever I can pay him off, I'll get out. And so I did. I paid him off. I got out of the business. I still had a stash of drugs. I had a good amount of money at the time. her and I got a place together.

We had a honeymoon in St. Augustine, Florida. It was a poor, strong carriage, bottles of champagne. I'm still thinking I'm living that drug dealing in life. Well, no, because I don't have that, you know, money coming in like I used to. And I got me a little rinkety-eating job. I figured I had to give me a job because I'm, you know, married now and not a drug dealer. Right. You know, when we would get short on money, I would tell her, well, I have these drugs, you know.

She's like, no, you're not selling them. I'm like, what the fuck are we going to do with them? They're just sitting here, you know? She's like, you made me a promise that you would not sell drugs anymore. I'm like, yeah, you're right. Then you got to start stripping. Yeah, you got to start doing something. You got to eat something and, you know, do that.

Feed her a sandwich and send her off to Scarlet's. There you go. Scarlet's, no. Oh, 2001. Bro, 2001 is like the worst. I've never been in now. No, no, no, I've never been in Mons before. Mons is, it's bottom of the barrel, bro.

It's like 2001 and Mons are bottom of the barrel. Like, Scarlet's in Dollhouse are at least, you know, semi-top tier. If there is such a thing as a top-tier gentleman's club, it would be Scarlet. What I used to go to Scarlets for the steak. Yeah, sure. When, you know, they had like a restaurant.

They had, like, it was like a top tier. Gold club. Gold club. Like, those were, like, nice, like, if you could say. You had to say, you had to rank one. You can say that from one to, those were the better ones. But yeah. So she wouldn't let me.

And we spent our days. I would work my little rinket eating job. And, you know, she worked at the same place I did. The money dwindled. Money dwindled. But we spent our days. you know, painting, writing poetry. It was a beautiful time for me.

You know, probably the best time of my life. You know, I was free and clear out of the business. Everything was good. One day we're painting on the back porch. She disappears. I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? I go into the bathroom to find her, and she's hunched over the tool of throwing up again.

And I'm like, well, we made a promise that I wouldn't sew drugs and you want to do this anymore. So I felt like my whole life, you know, our love is based on a lie, blah, blah, blah. I was so immature, bro. I regret it. She's got a fucking problem. I fucking regretted, dude.

And that's the part where I cry on another shows whenever I talk about this. We talked about this. Yeah, we're not doing the crying. This isn't a crying episode. You know, if I felt, if I thought it was, I would, I would chime in with a question. Yeah, I broke down on Nelson, Nelson Rodriguez's honor among thieves when I thought, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, celebrity, celebrity dealer podcast isn't really like an emotional podcast.

Yeah, no, yeah. Shout out to Miranda Lambert. You know what I was going to say? I have, oh gosh, I wanted to mention it for the hook. Have you ever seen the movie? Come on, Matt. It's called the powder cake. It's a drug dealer.

it Daniel Craig is it Craig Daniel Craig the guy who plays 007 yeah he's in it it's a great drug dealer movie

and he could be Daniel Craig like I mean they've got the same the light colored hair the blue light what is it called powder cake I have to watch

you never see it's fucking great it's it's great and so funny too because the whole time he's got a plan to get out of the business.

Like the whole thing is... Dude, I gotta watch it's my life. Yeah, it's fucking great. No, it's a great movie. Like, the whole movie is like, wow, this is great. And he's great, and it's not like a drug movie. Like, it's not, like, grungy. It's, these are all very top-notch individuals, for the most part.

I mean, you're still dealing with some drug addicts and stuff. But great movie, but this is... But I think some of the scenes and some of the things you've described could definitely... Oh, yeah. Yeah. In the club, I'm watching. Yeah, so that happens. And he falls in love with this hot chick in the movie.

Kara is extremely hot. Yeah. And the chick's thin. Yeah, she was extremely thin. Blonde hair. This chick has blonde hair. Was she a friend of somebody? Oh, yeah, yeah.

He meets her through a drug addict or drug dealer. It's ironic because as you're describing it, the scene that I'm watching, like this is happening. Like the girl just comes up at the bar. Yeah, she's flirting with him. She's trying to, you know, go get in. Yeah. I got a while. I'm watching this.

It's a fucking movie. It's a fucking movie. I'm surprised you haven't watched this. It's a great movie. No. Yeah. So very immature. I thought she lied to me the whole time.

Right. So I left her, man. I left her. I went, I got a hotel. I took my safe of drugs with me. Packed up everything I had, went to a hotel.

It's time to hit Eibor. Yeah. Get rid of some of this. I disappeared. You know, I just, I kind of just stayed in that hotel. Like I said, I was never a drug guy.

Never got in. to the drugs that much and I just kind of wasted to go sell them oh well I'll get to that buddy got to sell that shit off so March 10th 2006 we get married three months later that occurs I'm in a hotel I'm just doing it's much glow they can X as I can drinking as I can and just held it up in this extended stay motel on 60 state road 60 close to debor city on the left there if you're going into you bore anyways I stay there one of my my one of my one of my players in the game, John, he calls me. He's like, I tell him what happened, and he's like, bro, just get over here.

You know, get over to my house, man. He just wanted me to come over there because I had the drugs. He didn't really give a fuck about me as a person, right? So I go back, you know, I go to his house and they're like, we need you back in the clubs, man. And I was like thinking to myself, well, Kara don't want me to sell drugs, right? I said, she lied to me, so I'm going to be the biggest fucking drug dealer I can be, man. I just kind of

and just got crazy got back in touch with Carly and Eric Carlene Eric and Brad and I just started to bring in people

to sell drugs for me I don't you know if you one of my guys could vouch for you cool

I need you to sell drugs so drug so drugs back to the townhouse I got the townhouse again and I'm buying more shit

taking more trips but I'm putting in other people's names, my friend's names. So there's nothing really in my name. New York City, going to New York, Birmingham, Shreveport. I was making plans in these clubs, making plans in these states to transport. And we did some dry runs to Alabama, but, you know, never kind of, nothing ever was solified, so to speak. If you wanted a number, I was probably making profit, profit in my pocket anywhere from 20 to 30,000 a week.

Okay. Roughly. Back to my, you know, same guy I was getting this stuff from. And he was doing the same thing as I had the money to pay for the product. But he would give me, you know, double what I was going down there for. Right. Never ending, dude. He's like the first guy I ever dealt with in my life that always had.

There was never a time where he was like, no, sorry, can't find it. Time is dry. No, it always had it. always had it. And if he's watching this, I don't know if he's a fan. I haven't talked to him in several years, but we got to get him on here.

Yeah, no. I don't know if he would go on this show. But, uh, anyhow, uh, 2007 comes around. And, you know,

I would see Kara once in a while, but it was not the same. Uh, but every time we were together, you know, the lightning, the magic, It happened, but I was still like a fucking dumbass kid that, you know, we divorced.

And I was just being reckless, man. I think the more fearless I became, I wasn't afraid to get caught anymore. I was just doing shit out in the open. Like, I was becoming a massive target, even though I was one before, but this time, I just, I thought that. I could, you know, do whatever the fuck I wanted and there was no consequences for my actions, you know. And that's a hell of a place to be in your mind. I don't know. I wish that.

I don't wish that on anyone. So bringing in, you know, a team of people there, they brought in this kid named Luke. He started to hang out with my crew. And everybody wanted to be with Poet because I was the life of the party, always throwing parties. you know money i even threw a big ass divorce party you know my dumb ass at the tampa hard rock i rented out the whole pool section and bought all my boys sweets and it dumb dumb dumb if i had it if i had that money now but um uh brought this guy named luke brad was doing his thing on the side he saw this kid ended up stealing like his pound of green and you know he called me i'm

like well we got to find luke like what the fuck let's find this kid Get your money back, you know. We ended up finding them. We, like me, Luke, me, Eric and Brad, we like beat the kid up pretty bad. And we didn't get the money or weed back. And I kind of told everybody, you know, stay away from this fucking kid, man. Like, he's bad, bad for business. Like, I don't want any of you who to hang out with him.

Nothing. I don't want him around, you know. So I was going, I had a plan trip. I was going back to New York to finalize my my drug exploration. So I was going to New York for two days. Then I was flying back to refill everybody. And I was going to fly to Shreveport, Louisiana for another three or four days. And I was coming back.

So there was a house party going on. And this kid, Luke, who we beat up, he got this tattoo on him of a gun, five shot revolver that said, Here's mine. Where's yours? He was going around town. Yeah, when I see Poet, I'm going to shoot him. I'm like, oh, shit, you know. This kid's going around town saying he's going to shoot me.

I'm like, all right. I'm not worried about it. So the house party is going on. I'm leaving in the morning to go to New York. So I stopped by the house party. It was at Carleen's house. And Carleen. Can we stop?

Carleen's house party. Your worst guest ever, man. No, no, we've had worse. Yeah, thanks. Borderline Yeah, we've had, we've had guests Where they get up to go to the bathroom And me and Mattel.

Yeah, we're staring each other like, What are we going to do? Yeah, you guys were doing that. I could feel it through the walls. If we did, I wouldn't have brought that up. I wouldn't have said it, yeah, you're fine. This is good. You guys are fucking.

See, you're yawning. Here we go. Yawning because, you know, he told me. My story is so much better than this, man. So much better than this. A celebrity dealer is a good story. Yeah, that's a good story. The problem is, I feel.

like you're holding back names. That's the problem. We need names. I ain't giving you names. I gave you some already. All right, we were on. We're good. Yeah, so you had just said something about Kaleen's house.

Our Carleen, yeah. Carlin. Yeah. Kayleen, Carlin. Carlin. Dating the cop. That was, beef. Anyways, yeah, a Carleen's house.

And she had like a little party house, too. So Carleen lived there. Eric lived there. Brad did not live there But party going on I was leaving for New York Trying to You know Refill everybody

Collect my money Right So I can go on my trip Make sure everybody was good The weekend I was gone I asked Carly Where's my money? Let me let's get this done here

It was like $3,000 She's like well there's a problem I'm like what She's like the money's gone I'm like well who's in the fucking house Like well She's like well you know you know all the people I mentioned were there and I'm like well they wouldn't steal from them they

they work for me I mean why the fuck would they steal from me drug dealers wouldn't steal from each other yeah they're known to be such honorable right we are yeah but she goes uh well there's a problem i let luke stay here for a couple days we had a discussion about not trusting Luke and not having Luke around yeah and he's upstairs with the gun I'm like oh fuck this guy's gonna fucking shoot me man You know, I don't have a gun on me. So, and. Relically, yeah, he was sleeping upstairs, thankfully. I went up there and I got his gun from him.

Nice. Yeah. Good. Right. Got the gun from him and brought him downstairs. Not at gunpoint. Just brought him downstairs. Hey, man, like, where's my money?

And, you know, I know you robbed the money. You robbed it from Brad. Now you're robbing from, you know, not me directly, but my money. Right. indirectly. He kept on denying it. No, no, no, I didn't do that. And the more he denied it, the more I got aggravated with it.

And I said, okay. I said, well, or, you know, I don't know why. I was just angry. I was really just agitated about the whole situation. And the whole year, when I got that divorce, I just kind of felt like everybody was around me for the money and the drugs anyways. Um, uh-huh. Gee.

Do you think? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got it. Yeah. You got, you get the picture here.

So the more... I'm starting to think we're not friends. Yeah. I'm starting to think you guys are, are using me for drugs and stealing from me. Yeah. Luke. Yeah. Luke.

So, uh, I was like, okay. Well, I'm going to kill you if you don't give me my fucking money. And, uh, He kept on denying it. He went for his gun and it wasn't there. He was in my pocket. Yeah, it was actually in my hand at the time. Oh, okay.

So I told, I was like, we're going. We're going to go. You're going to get your shit. You're going to put it in your truck. And I'm going to get in Brad's vehicle. I'm going to fucking kill you if you don't come up with my money. So two vehicles. Eric's driving his truck.

He's in the passenger seat. I'm in Brad's vehicle. In the passenger seat, Carleen's in the back. seat. We end up driving out to Hernando County on a dirt road. We parked the cars. I tell him to get out of the vehicle. He gets out the vehicle. I said, I'm going to ask you one more time. Where's my money? He didn't say nothing to me. I don't know if he thought I was going to, I was bluffing or what, but he didn't say a fucking word. So I unloaded the whole five-shot revolver on him. And I hit him once in the chest. Once he, once I hit him once in the chest, he, cowered out into his truck. I was out of bullets at this point because it was his gun. Well, wait a second. How far?

I mean, did you miss? Are you saying you missed him? No, it was a five-shot snub-nosed revolver. So that, them guns are not good at long distance. And it was a car length away. Okay. I was in this vehicle, the front vehicle. He was in the back vehicle in the passenger seat.

So I got out of the vehicle I was in. He got out of the vehicle he was in. And I asked him about my money. And I just unloaded the whole gun, all five shots. Two of them hit the door. The third bullet is the one that got him. Hit him in his chest. Hit him in the shoulder, actually,

and the bullet traveled into his lung. Once he cowered into his vehicle, Eric doused the whole truck with gasoline, lit the truck on fire. You didn't think this was where this was going to digital. You didn't see this coming. This was a fun-loving story. It was a fun-loving story up to this.

And the country singer came out and started singing her country tune, asked me for some blow. No, that did not happen. But yeah, we lit it on fire. I thought he was dead. Do you have any idea how this does not fit your personality at all? Since you walked in the door, since the conversation, the whole thing is just so out of character.

Yeah, I know. But that's what the drugs, the money, the women, that lifestyle will do to you, is think that you're fucking untouchable and that you're a fucking gangster. Everybody's a fucking gangster until it's time to do gangster shit. Yeah. And in my head, I was like, you know, he was dead that's destroyed the evidence by burning him alive or burning his body in the vehicle. Because you thought he was dead. Right. I thought he was dead.

Okay. So I have a question for you real quick. What is everybody else? Like, is everybody just going on? Nobody's the thing. Nobody's saying like, nobody's screaming. No, stop. Wait, we can't do this.

They're all like. Nobody stopped me. There was no conversation. It was nothing. It was a strange day, to say the least. Yeah, very surreal. Yeah. You know, Brad is in, you know, his vehicle.

I get back in the passenger seat. Carleen's in the backseat. Eric comes running up, jumps in the backseat. And this is early morning now. You know, it's still kind of, it's still dark out. And the whole truck's ablaze. I can see it in the rear. rear view mirror and we pull off and I just see this ball of fire coming out of the truck

screaming a scream I never I don't even want to put in my head it was just horrendous fucking scream and in that moment I was like uh the untouchable shit that everything kind of crumbled in my mind and I'm like what the fuck did I just do you know did you go back no like to make sure this guy we kept going and I was like what am I going to do do you know i have no i have no uh oh you've no more bullets i have no more bullets because it was his gun five shots right but i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not a killer row but i've been yeah obviously right uh your first and only attempt didn't go well no did not uh so you drop and roll or did he i don't know we were gone peeled off i threw the gun out the fucking window not far

from the the crime scene do they find it no never did and i even, yeah, I even told the police I would go back and, uh, show them where it was at, you know, and they never, they were like, yeah, yeah. But, you know, in that moment, I'm like, what, what the fuck did I become, man? You know, what kind of person am I to take a human fucking life or to try to take a human life? Like, like, it, I'm like, damn, man, you know, it was a come to Jesus moment for me. And I, I started to get in a panic mode.

Like, I got to get the fuck out of here. I got to get out of town, man. Because they're going to fucking find out about this shit. He survived, thankfully. You know, the current day, 47% of his body's third-degree burn scarred. The bullet is still in his lung. He wheezes when he breathes. Every breath he takes, he wheezes.

I mean, the guy was a piece of shit, man. But who deserves that, bro? I mean, it looks like Freddie fucking Kruger. You know, his chest and his, his third degree burn his chest and his legs, mainly, not his face or anything. But who fucking deserves that, you know? The tattoo, the same tattoo he got that he was going to, you know, the hears mine, wears yours with the gun. Right. They had a skin grafted and now it's like upside down on his stomach.

Just fucking brutal, bro. And I'm not, not that guy. Right. It still fucks me up to this day. I played God, you know. I could decide to take someone's life or not over some bullshit, over $3,000, you know. What the fuck?

Did, what happened with him? Did he, I mean, obviously, I'm assuming he had something to say to the police. You know, it's morning time at this point, you know, a passy motorist found him on the side of the road naked. I'm talking about poet shot me, poet shot me, poet shot me. they you know they called the police and airlifted them to you know Tampa general uh thankfully he survived thank God he survived um because I wouldn't be sitting in this chair today you know for someone to like sit in this chair and on your show to either brag that they

try to kill someone or kill someone you know I don't know how a person can do it psychologically because it's fucked with me every day of my life, you know what I mean? It's not. Okay. Sorry. Yeah, it's not cool. It's not cool to try to take a life or to kill someone is my point, you know. Right.

When did the, I'm assuming that he told, they know where the police knew where you were. They went after you. Yeah. Yeah. My name, my name, you know, his sister knew me. Right. So, of course, you know, poet who's poet. Oh, that's John Thornton, you know, the king of the underground, John Thornton, that guy, you know, the society leader.

I freaked out. I didn't go to New York, obviously, but I already had a plane ticket for Shreveport because I was doing the two days in New York. Then I was going three days to Shreveport to, you know, I was going to put together some deals there. I still took that trip to Shreveport. I scrambled, panicked, you know, went with Carleen, went to Shreveport. Eric drove up in a car. At this point, they're, you know, trying to, they're searching for me. I'm all over the news.

We're in Shreveport and I tell Eric, I hatch a plan. I'm like, listen, I got a little bit of money. I have a whole shitload of drugs back in Tampa. I was like, he was Mexican. Eric was, you know, from Mexico. I was like, we're going to go to Mexico. We're going to get different identity. We're going to do some Matt Cox type shit.

And we're going to live on a villa somewhere forever. That's how it's going to go. And Eric is panicking. We're in a casino in Shreveport. He's panicking. We're both drinking. He says, I'm just going to turn myself in, man. And I'm like, well, you're going to fucking, you know, fuck that shit.

Dude, we're not doing that. We're going to Mexico. Him and I get into an argument. He leaves the casino. He gets picked up by the police for drunken disorderly. He never tells on me at that point. They arrest him. Never come and get me.

They have no idea I'm there, I guess, you know. So the next day I try to bail him out of jail, I get in contact with the police officer that was on my team. And she's like, yeah, there's a bond. You can go there, blah, get him out. And I'm like, well, there's warrants from my arrest everywhere. I'm like not going to go there. So I send Carleen to do that to go there.

and she goes and like her whole car surround you know swarmed in tree port and she tells me yeah they're after you but you need to get the fuck out of Dodge so I run to Brownsville Texas so I'm in Brownsville Texas watching the border to go into Mexico Eric did have some connections to Mexico because he's from there and that you know he could get me

passports or whatever I needed to change my identity I tell Carleen to come meet me in Brownsville, Texas. She does. I thought you said they surrounded her car. She did, but they didn't know. They weren't after her at that point. They were surrounded the car looking for me.

Okay, so they don't have a warrant for her, so they let her go. Correct, right. She meets me in Brownsville, Texas. Just her and I in Brownsville, Texas. And much of the same thing, like, she's panicking. She's going to go turn herself in. I'm like, they're not even after you yet. At this point, they were.

We didn't know because they already picked up Brad back in Tampa. but Brad gave up everybody. As he should. I don't think that they're snitching, bro. You know, as they should. They should have done that because we almost took a human life. So fuck you out. Snitch me out.

I didn't care. I was mad about it at the time, but I didn't care. So they pick up Brad. Carleen freaks out. I was like, well, go back to Tampa, Carleen, you know, turn yourself in, you know, snitch me out. I don't care.

You know, do whatever. I was like, you have a total of where all my drugs were at. I was like, sell the drugs off. You know, give me some of the money. I'll be in here in Mexico, you know. So I run off into Mexico and I'm hanging out in Metamoros, Mexico. You know, kind of freaked out about what I did, but I was trying to draw myself with alcohol so I didn't think about it. You know, Curling turns herself in.

She, you know, is willing to testify against me as well. So now that you have Eric locked up You know all three of them locked up except me So the manhunt begins, you know I was only gone I think the whole I was on the run for about three weeks Ish I'm running out of money in Mexico

As you know on the run It's hard to maintain when you have no money So I come back into Brownsville, Texas At the border entry point there and of course that's where they you know arrest me at because everybody and their fucking mom is looking for me you know give me your yeah your ID they no I didn't make it to that point like they got me in the line okay you know because carline done told them where I was at yeah so they were watching that border

pretty thick um so they got me there uh brown I stayed in Brownsville Texas County jail you know the van comes to pick me up to bring me back to Fernando County on the way there we stop in Shreveport, Louisiana to pick up Eric. So it's Eric and I in the van and, you know, he's totally freaked out by the whole thing. And I told him, I said, Eric, just, you know, I kind of, I knew I was going to spend probably the rest of my life in prison at that point. I kind of just fuck it, you know. I was like, just tell him whatever, bro. I don't care, you know, put it all on me.

This is all on me any fucking way. I don't care what you do. get to the county jail and they were pretty much you know Luke survived but they were going to give me like 25 years like this carries about 25 years you know

at that same time Luke heals up you know they can't remove the bullet in his lung he moves to Texas and when while he's in Texas he ends up like robbing a drug dealer go figure and he gets picked up for drug traffic and charges and they arrest them so my lawyer the state they have to go out there and do depositions and all that shit on them you know i'm looking at 25 years i actually signed for 25 years because i'm thinking

they're going to give me life so i'll do 25 years this is all on me anyways so they go out to to texas and they interview them and then might be which I have with me today because they don't check paperwork in the state Breyer they What does he say? This is the point

where it's like man it fucks with me because he tells the state that he wants to see everybody prosecuted in the crime except me and in my newspaper article you can read the state's attorney says

that the victim is not overly sympathetic. He doesn't want to see anybody go to... He wants to see everybody go to prison except me. He says, if I go to prison, that would be detrimental to him being a part of my group, the society. And you can read that in a newspaper article. That's what this guy says to him.

So now they plague me as this fucking... Like a cult leader? Yeah. You can read it in Tampa Bay Times. Why does he say that? What? I have no idea. brother. I guess I, because of all the money and the, the, the popularity I had, and I guess he just

wanted to be a part of that. So he, I, I, I don't know. I can't wrap my head around. I never talked to the guy since. I don't know. And in my discovery, I read that I have, um, that before, before he, before he wrapped Brad with the green, like, he, like, cleaned his mom's banking account out. Like, he had a track record of doing this to, like, everybody that he ran across. And it, it's done me. dude, I almost fucking killed you. You go to Texas and you do some dumb shit, man. And then get caught. Yeah.

What the fuck is wrong with you? If I got shot and fucking burn, bro, I would be in a pew every Sunday. Right. praising fucking Jesus, you know. I mean, maybe he just felt like you had a legitimate reason to come out. Like, he had stolen the money. Yeah. It was your money.

He lied about the whole thing. But you can read that in the article. I had it coming. That kind of thing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. The state's attorney. You could, it was the craziest shit ever, man.

So Carleen and Brad, they gave them probation if they would testify against us. Didn't Brad, isn't Brad the one that doused him with? No, that's Eric. Oh, okay. So it's just, Brad, it's Eric and I. Throwing gas on him. And I'm thinking, I'm like, bro, I'm going to get off on this shit. Like, they're going to literally let me walk out of here.

So Eric, what did Eric? So Eric, they. gave Eric and I matching sentences 10 years in, five years out. But Eric, Eric, at the end, they gave me the 10 and the five. And I was on my way to prison. And, you know, at the end, Eric was like, no, poet held me at gunpoint. Oh, God. And made me.

You already unloaded the fucking gun. Yeah. I mean, you didn't get him, tell them, throw the gasoline on. You've already unloaded the gun. There's no bullets. It's the most insane. He's just doing it and try to say. his ass, you know.

I don't blame him. You know, I'm not mad at Eric. It's all good, bro. But did that, well, I'm just, I'm not talking about being mad at him. I'm talking about just stupidity. Like, like, to me that, like, he didn't take that deal. Did he get a better deal? No, he got the same.

He got the same. Okay. So he, you know, because in my newspaper, I can read that as well where the state was like, because he ends up writing the letter to the judge and I'm a fear for my life that day and because poet was going to kill me if I had let him. Just just, come on, man, stop it. But, uh, he got the. same as me, 10 and 5, you know.

I actually looked them up a couple days ago before I came on just to see, like, where's he at? Like, because they deported him to Mexico. Okay. And he looks like he's doing well, man. Looks like he has two kids. I mean... Would you look him on Facebook?

Yeah. Yeah, he's doing all right. So Eric's doing all right. And I'm glad that all that happened. I'm glad that everybody did what they did because, you know, I shouldn't have done that shit, man. Yeah. But they got over on me pretty good because Carleen had out that all that

stashed drugs I was talking about. Uh-huh. You know, never, she never told the cops about it. All right. And she ended up buying a fucking beach house, living lavish in a fucking beach house with my fucking drug money. Yeah, but she's probably a very empty person. She's probably very empty.

Yeah. But she violated probation and went to prison anyways. So, there you go. Well, is she, and she was the lesbian, right? Yeah, the lesbian. I mean, come on. Yeah. What's the, you know, that's like summer camp for her.

Yeah. She's probably very popular. Mm-hmm. And I didn't have a rough time in prison. You know, you would think I was 118 pounds, small white guy. You would think I would have a rough time, but I did not. When I got to, you know, the CFRC, I knew people there from the night moves. My cellmate, it's funny, I failed to mention this.

My cellmate in the county jail was a guy that I used to sell drugs to at night moves. So like eight months of me in the county jail, my cellmate knows me, wants me to recant all these crazy stories and tell the stories about drugs and money and all that stuff. I feel like you're, I see you entering the prison and everyone going poet. Yeah. And kind of the. No, it's crazy because. Yeah. Yeah.

Society. Yeah. Yeah. Don't do the salute. God, dog. Don't do that. That wasn't a Nazi salute. That was just the society.

Yeah, yeah. That was the society. Poet. It never had a name. The love of God, never had a name. We do. The first rule of the society is we don't talk about the society. Oh, Jesus.

You're too much. You are too. I love you. No homo. I love you, for real. No did he? You may, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Oh, God, you're great. So you go and. Yeah, I knew people at every prison. So, you know, I still dealt with shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. But it was what people paint prison. It was not like that for me.

And my first prison was Liberty Correctional. And that was the most violent prison in the state of Florida at the time. Still is. I mean, people were getting beat up, stabbed, that kind of shit. You know. Air conditioning? No. There's no air conditioning state.

I know. There's climate controlled. That's my first thought. My first thought. Every time I think about state prison is I think, no fucking AC. Food horrible. You have any idea how important AC? Most people in the world, even the United States, those square northern states, there's a bunch of them.

They don't realize how important air conditioning is in Florida. Yeah. Like these are people like, they're like, yeah, what's the big deal? Listen, prior to air conditioning, like, you used on Liverpool? here. It's unlivable. I mean, I'm not old enough to remember that, by the way. I'm just saying. You got, I think, nine years on me. How old are you? I'm 46. I'll be 47 in August.

Yeah. Well, that's typically how it goes. Some people skip it. Do you want me to, do I have a few minutes? So I'll give you a nail biter. Nail biter. Yeah, but. This is me on three cups of call. Yeah. I'm sorry. In prison, I realized that I thought I was the biggest, baddest motherfucker on planet Earth. There was a lot more bigger and better motherfuckers in prison, you know. You mean prior to prison, you thought you were the biggest bad. Right, right, right.

In prison, you realized. No, no, uh-uh. No, that gangster shit, no, there's some real gangsters in there. There's some scary fuckers. Scary motherfuckers, man. But all my times in the nightclubs and knowing how to navigate through the nightclubs, I used that in prison. I just knew how to navigate, knew how to kept my head down, you know, showed. people respected, they showed it to me.

Throughout my whole 10 years, I have no DR history. I never got in trouble. Did you do 10 years or did you get, you got time off? I had eight and a half, of course. Eight and a half, okay. Did you get halfway house? No, no. They wouldn't let me because of the violent crime because I was the leader of the society, Matt.

Come on, they don't do that to big drug lords. They don't want you taking over the halfway out. Yeah. Fuck. Conversion, converting people. So, nail biter, sorry. Now, okay, you want me to do a nail bitter. nail biter you know uh 20 around 2012 i'll wrap this up real quick nail biter here it is

the fuck you to me the cake in my face ready for it um yeah 2012 carra and i start to write again when i was in prison and she was doing well at f s yeah fs you she was very popular yeah and i'm thinking oh it's our love fantasy again we're writing poetry and art through letters and she go i get a letter and she goes i have to tell you something i'm like what's that and i'm like halfway through my sentence at this point. And I'm like, what's going on? You know? And she goes, I got in touch with Luke and, you know, I drove out to Texas to see him. And they started to have a relationship together. My first wife, Kara, and Luke, my victim. Okay. Sorry. Yeah. That's the nail writer. So when you, I thought you meant that she was law. I thought that, well, what's the girl that was involved in the crime?

Carleen. Carleen. I'm sorry, I got them confused. Carol is my first wife. Carol's the first wife. Okay. Yeah. My fault.

She reaches out to Luke to just to see how he was doing. Did she know him? No. She met him, I think, once or twice. Okay. But she just wanted to see how he was doing. And they were living together in FSU while she was writing me. They didn't last long because guess what Luke did?

He started, he robbed her. He ripped her off. Yeah, stole her money, drugs. He was shooting drugs at this point. But they had a little short relationship together. And I told her in a letter, I was like, you know, I wish you guys the best, but I don't really don't want to talk to you anymore. Right. Like, how could you fucking do that to me, basically?

When I get out of prison in 2015, I try to reach out to her. And she was like, I have nothing left for you or me, you know. Is that the nail biner? Yeah, that was it. My first wife, the love of my life started a relationship with my victim, you know? I feel like a nail biter. What would you like a nail biter as? You want the name of the country singer?

Yes. Not giving it to you. Even after the show, I'm not giving it to you. We just come up with one. I'm willing to sacrifice the reputation of a country singer. Trust me. But yeah, I'm doing well. I'm doing well now.

To wrap it up, I'm doing well now as a former drug, you know, ringleader, the king of the underground, Mr. you know, the ringleader of the society. I've been out 10 years. I've, you know, face struggles, of course, like we all do. But I have a great job. I've been out, you know, at this job two years now, second chance company. I'm just living, man, you know.

What does that mean? I mean, I understand. A second chance company means they hire felons. Right. But do they, have you ever heard people, because I've heard this before, that some companies, if they hire a felons, they give them a tax break. Have you ever heard that? It's true.

Is that true? Yeah, it's true. But some companies say they hire felons and they don't. like Amazon, Coca-Cola, places like that. They say we hire felons. I went to Amazon when I got out in 2015 to get a job. They're like, we hire felons, but we don't hire your type of felon. Yeah, yeah.

Because it reads, my shit reads so fucking wild, man. By the way, my buddy Pete works at Amazon. Really? But he got the job through the, and he went to prison for double murder. Damn, I don't know how they deny me. Because it was through the half-white. No, the halfway house. The halfway house has an agreement with the local.

So once he's in, had he, and I think he told me that he said, had they not had an agreement, a placement contract, I probably wouldn't have gotten hired. Yeah. Listen, Pete's crime, the sheriff showed up. When he went at home, the sheriff showed up to say, we know you're here. We're going to be keeping an eye on you.

Then they went to all the neighbors on the street and told them, want to let you know the guy that's just released for a double murder yeah he's gonna be living in that house over there just thought you'd like to know it's like he's like like what a yeah what a welcoming have you seen pete have you seen any of these episodes no i need to watch some i'll send you one yeah he's probably not what you're picturing oh no he's not what you're picturing at all no um um i'm also going to send you the i'll send you the um the layer cake yes i said powder cake before it's the layer cake layer cake did i say powder cake or lay down you said Powdered cake? Are we done or the later cake?

Are we done or should I say some more? No, keep going. This is all going in. Yeah. Okay. Nobody's watching at this point. All right. All right. Yeah. It doesn't have to eat. It was the first 20 minutes and not done with us. But I actually ran, I met up with, uh, never met up with, um, Eric again because they deported him. Never talked to Eric again. Right. Uh, I talked to Brad when I got out of him and I had a beer together. He was in and out of drug rehab.

I was just riddled with drug abuse. It was kind of sad to see him. like that and it was really apologetic. I'm like, why are you sorry? You know what I mean? He was trying to apologize to me. I'm like, bro, I don't care about that shit, man. I never talked to Carlene again. To this day, I don't know where she's at.

I have talked to the cop or she's not a cop anymore. Just to trade stories like, yeah, it was pretty wild, you know, back then. Luke tried to reach out to me several times. I just never responded when I got on this TikTok journey a couple years ago and I had no idea he was even my friend on TikTok. I was scrolling through. It was just about four months ago and there was him and just to see how he looked. And I was like, wow, this guy's fucked up, man, you know.

That's basically like I try to stay out of bars and nightclubs now. Well, I went to the castle trying to reminisce when I first got out And some of the people still work there. Like, there are bartenders and door personnel that work at the castle 25 plus years now. That's sad. Great life, guys. But just walking in that building, some of them was like open arms and others. Like, I got this scowl.

Like, oh, my God, this evil man, the king of the society is here. You didn't do it. Yeah. Yeah, I tell you what, you know, I have a little place now. I'm a little duplex now. and I have a roommate. And she's never laid on rent, bro. I never have to ask her for money.

I'm like, it's fucking quick. I mean, at first of the month comes, it's like 1201, it's worked in my benefit. Yeah. Nobody's shortened me. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

Fuck, man. This is crazy, bro. Sorry. I didn't think this show was going to be like this. No, no. It's fun. You made it really fun. And I really appreciate you, man.

because I thought it was going to be fucking serious. You're going to be pounding me with questions. Colby is actually really cool. He's not a skater with tattoos like I thought. No. I've turned the camera for you. Yeah. That's the real guy.

Yeah. That's the man. Yeah, this show totally sucked. I hope you guys don't watch it. If you can't make light of, you know, some unadulterated violence and, you know, what can you make fun of? This is John Poet Thorne for Ghostbed. if you're... The ghost bed ads.

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Yeah. Somebody saying sleep. So be honest, on a scale of a 1 to 10, how horrible was this interview? Be honest. It really, it's not bad. Yeah. The conversation that we had in the beginning of the podcast, I will take out because it's the beginning and it needs to get into the story.

But this part, I can leave in. Yeah. That's what's so cool part. We have this conversation all the time and I have this conversation with, I know Colby does too. Like, there are guys that will walk out of here. and we're like, ah, that was all right. And it'll get half a million views.

You're like, what the hell? And other people will walk out and we'll go, bro, that was like, oh my God, I got, I got goosebumps. Like it was riveting. It was amazing. Mine is. Not really. And you're like, and then we've got, we've got some videos that all the comments are overwhelmingly positive.

Like, what a phenomenal story. How amazing. How this. And you're like, wow, people love this guy. And it gets 25,000 views. And other ones where people are like, this guy's a lot. He's full of shit He never this

That's not what happened Yeah And it'll get 400,000 views And you're like, I don't You know, you just There's no way to predict What's going to do well

And what's going to resonate with people I don't think I don't think I'm a good storyteller To be honest And I'm trying to hone that I'm trying to be a Matt Cox Well Practice practice

That's all it is This is only my third podcast too You might want to get a drink a couple cups of coffee before you start. Get a little bit more. Yeah. But then again, you don't exactly have a story that you probably should be overwhelmingly enthusiastic about. You'd come off as insensitive.

So you're, you know, I know what the ultimate, what's ultimately going to send you to prison. You see what I'm saying? Like, I know that. But I also know that, you know, like, it's fucked up my life. Like, I go to, if I go somewhere and somebody right. recognizes me or something like that. My dating life sucks. You know, as soon as somebody Googles my name, it's over with.

Like, I literally met girls off dating apps, and I would give them my phone number, and it would be like nothing, because they must have, I don't know, they run my name, and there you go. Listen, I, let me tell you, I, exactly that. I went on, what was it? I think it was Bumble. Yeah. And one time I had met this chick on Bumble.

and, you know, the whole thing, and went to meet her at a restaurant. I mean, we're going to meet it for a restaurant. It's great. And as we're going, because we're still communicating through the app. Right. She said, hey, you know, I don't have a great cell service. Can you give me your cell number so we don't have to go through the app? You know, there's a delay.

The whole, I was like, sure, I sent her the cell number. She never shows up. And I waited 30 minutes. And I realized she's not. answering. And then, of course, I'm trying to get to her through the, through the, the app. And then suddenly, you're blocked. There's nothing. It's not just blocked. By the time I get back, the app is shut, they've kicked me off. She reports me because you're not allowed to be a felon. So she reports me. And then I went on another app that I had been using. I get kicked off that

one too. So somehow or another, she finds me, and this is only a couple days later, finds me on the other app, boom, closes me down on that one too and I thought and then I've got people who are telling me I had actual like a front of mine who was a female friend yeah and she's like you really you're gonna have to just use a complete alias and then once the girl gets to know you explain to her I'm like oh that's even worse yeah now we're fucking four days in and what I said I'm I'm I'm banging some chick we're four or five dates in and I'm hitting it and then I'm like oh by the way I'm a my name's great of family dinner. If I ever date a woman, you know, and I sit at the table. So, uh, tell me what you do for work, John, or what, you know, your life. I'm like, well, oh, you can skip right over. I usually, I, I can, you can blend right over that if you have, if you have, well, I mean, I'm saying, like, if you went, I wouldn't. I would, I lean into the whole thing all the time, but it's totally damaged me. Like, jobs, I couldn't not find a job to save my life, uh, dating could not find it. Listen, I went on a date one time. I mean, you've got to have these stories. I went on a date one time. I mean, you've got to have these stories. I went on date one time. first date. And as we're sitting there talking, she's like,

you seem like a great guy. What's going? What's that? And I said, I said, there's, there is an issue. She's like, you're married. I'm like, no. I said, I said, I, I said, I, I, I recently got out of federal prison. And she was like, what? And I went, for what? Yeah. And I said, not a big deal. Not a big deal. I said, I, I committed bank fraud and I went to prison and now I'm out. I said I'm out and I'm kind of starting my life over again. But I think I should say that. And she says, how long?

She's, she has bank fraud. She's how long did you go? And I was like about roughly 13 years. She's 13 years. Man, we're in a fucking. People are like, what? And I'm like, oh, it's not a big deal. She's stop saying that.

She says, they don't put people in prison for 13 years because it's not a big deal. Yeah. And I'm sitting there thinking, this ain't working out. I already know this ain't working out. She says, this out and it sounded a little hysterical. article. Right. And so I end up, we're talking, we're talking. I'm like, I'm trying to calm her down, but she's not having it. It didn't work out. And it was so funny. What, what happened was I, I ended, what happened. What happened was, I said, listen, I said, this is the way I look at. There's

two kinds of people. Those people that understand the person I was, the things I've done, I said, and the person that I am today. I said, in there, those. people that can go fuck themselves. Yeah. I said, so I said, you don't seem like. I'm still learning that. Even 10 years later, you know, 10 years I've been out of prison, I'm still learning that shit, man.

Yeah. Because I don't like to be judged or, you know, like, oh, he's lying. I'm like, well, I'm still trying to learn to say, fuck you. What you guys say? Look, I'm not a liar. Yeah. I'm just an attempted murderer. Like, this is totally different thing.

Like, I'm honest. I mean, it's worked on my behalf. I'm honest. In a lot of situations, it's, worked great, you know, don't fuck with that guy. Yeah. In prison sometimes, you know, I'm like, yeah. The quiet guy in the corner.

That's the guy you got to worry about. But I never had a problem in prison. I knew people and I would spend my days like they want to hear crazy stories and I would tell them the stories of hanging out with certain country artists. No. And the Jason. No, not Jason. Yeah, the guy that played Michael Myers.

Yeah, Michael Myers. Wait, that's Halloween. Yeah, Halloween. Yeah. He played in the first Halloween movie. He was the unmasked Michael Myers. And I, oh, yeah, I forgot to tell you this. Unmasked Michael.

Yeah. Here's something cool for the show. But this guy, him and I became very close. I met him when I got out of prison, whenever he got out of prison, Boston George, George Young. Oh, okay. They made the movie blow. Yeah, I know. Johnny, well, maybe they, no.

He died. He died, yeah, four years ago. But I spent the last two years of his life with him. Where was this in Miami? Was he in Miami? No, he was living back in Boston, Massachusetts. Didn't he get, did he get back with his ex-wife? No, he met this girl while he was in prison.

Her name was Rhonda. Oh, shout out to you, Rhonda. But yeah, he was kind of doing this book tour, tour kind of thing. I met him through this guy named Antonio, and we hit it off. he was on a grander scale than I could ever imagine. But him and I had similarities. I do have a question. Sure.

Because when I was locked up, the guy that was kind of, he was, I don't want to say, he was, I don't know, he was, I don't know how to say it. He was an advocate for, for Boston George. Yeah. Amazing dude. Most amazing guy ever, man. Well, I knew one of the guys who was a sally with him for about six months. he said he was an asshole. Really?

Yeah. When he got drunk, he could be. Well, this was, like, most people I know that knew him or had interactions with him in prison said, like, fucking dick. They were like, completely dick. Dude, it was cool to fuck to me. Okay, cool. And that's cool. But this guy used to communicate with him all the time.

Like, they would go visit him, everything. And when I got out of prison, I always wanted to look him up. And his name was. young. Oh, no, the guy you're talking about. I'm sorry, I thought you're talking about. I'm nervous, man. I'm jumping.

Carlos Slater? No, Carlos Lader. No, it's Carlis Lager's locked up. He's gone. They deported him. He got out a few years ago. I understand. But when I was locked up, this is a guy that was going to visit George Young, Boston,

Boston George, whatever. George Young. He was going to visit him regularly. I mean, they're going there. He's buying him hamburgers. He's putting money on. his books, everything. Then he started coming to visit me. Okay. His name was Eric Hill. Okay. And I always wondered, but you, Eric Hill is so common. Yeah. So I've got out and I've tried to

look him up on Facebook. Like I knew he lived in Texas. I tried to look at him up. You're saying, he flew in one time to see me. Wow. Actually, it was twice. I think he came to see me twice. He would put money on my books. Like he was, yeah, it was a super cool guy. We would, he was a good guy and um but then i forget what happened like basically we just kind of faded yeah you know it fades right after a year or so he just you know stopped uh coming around and and um but i was wanted to look him up because he was a super hyper guy too he was he was insane yeah but i always wanted to look him up uh but i can not i can't find i have great stories with

george and i like i said two years last two years of his life life with him the documentary they did famous without the fortune. George is wearing that black dress shirt. Like I have that black dress shirt encased in glass above my bed at my house. Okay. They sent it to me. I was actually going to go to his funeral. Johnny Depp was going to be there.

But Johnny Depp was going through the Amber Heard stuff at the time. Oh, okay. So Johnny Depp didn't make it. But I was like, all right, I want to meet Johnny fucking Depp. This is going to be cool. But he was like a dad to me, man. We would talk about stories about his time. And he had like total recall.

He could tell you story after story after story. Some of the stuff they don't play in a movie, of course. But yeah, I've heard that about him like you were saying that he was an asshole, but no. You ever heard the term about Hawaii? Like the island either accepts you or denies you. You ever heard that about Hawaii? No. Yeah, there's like some weird thing about the island that it will spit you out or will accept you.

And now it's kind of like George. He would either accept you or, you know, become your immediate friend or you're a nobody. He must have hated Eric's guts because Eric said he would scream at him and yell at him. And my buddy who was his roommate for, I don't know, six months or a year or something like that, he would say he's like, look, like he was like he would, he'd yell at inmates, he'd scream at people. No, I never got that, you know. But I'm, but then again, I don't think that my buddy, it was Anthony Kurt, his name is Anthony Kirsteo.

Anthony said I never had a problem with him. He's like, but I've seen him. just scream at people and yell. He's like, I mean, he would just, he is, it was ridiculous. He's like he was. Yeah, he was totally awesome guy, man. Nothing bad to say about him. I think about him probably on a daily basis.

I loved him, man, very much. Really cool, you know. And he was like, you ain't shit to me, poet. You know, he had that raspy voice. You know what he told Eric, he told Eric, when Eric had sent him my manual. script. And he said, did you read the manuscript?

And he said, yeah, I read it. And he goes, tell your boy, he said he didn't steal enough money. That's the problem. He called me kid.

That was his nickname for me. He would call me, Hey, kid, I'm coming to Tampa. I'm going to come stay with you during the Super Bowl. I'm like, all right,

George. All right, Georgie. Come on. You know, just loved his scotch. It was cool. Everywhere he went,

like, you know, whenever, I was hanging out with him. He was in a wheelchair bound at that point. A brown recouped spider bit his fucking toe on the beach in California or some shit and his toe like totally

like rot it off and he had to get it amputated and so he was like in a fucking wheelchair. Did he ever reconnect with his daughter? Yeah, he did. Yeah, I had heard that. They tried to create a little small business together you know the Boston George gear type shit. Yeah.

Like they could just never get it right, you know? So. Well, and then I had, from Eric, I had heard that somebody had, uh, somebody had the, all the websites tied up with his name and. Problem with George is he was looking for a fast buck with anybody. So he would sell his life rights to anybody. Like, if you came with a contract, he would sign it. So there's like probably like 30 fucking people with the Boston George rights right now.

You know, his wife, Rhonda, a domestic partner, whatever you want to call her, she's been fighting for that stuff. I guess there's a strain out in California. California with the Boston George and she's been trying to fight that because she's she doesn't live good I think she works at subway bro right you know I mean there's no there's no happy ending to drug dealers no none not not even mine I mean I'm not I'm not in prison but I don't have that fucking happy end you would think Boston George's wife is living this fucking dream of a life no he got out with nothing he got out with nothing and and it's it's

difficult for these guys to get out and put their lives back together because I think They're, I feel like they're chasing that high or something. And if you're, if you get out of prison and you're, you're humble and appreciative, I think things come much easier to you because you're willing to work slowly for them. And if they don't happen, you're still just happy to be out of prison and happy to be, you know, be able to turn the TV, watch YouTube. It's free. And, you know, like that sort of thing.

And I think a lot of these guys, they get out and they think, yeah, I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that. And then everything collapses and falls. falls apart and they're chasing this dream and they don't want to get a real job. Right. And they expect big bucks and it just doesn't happen. It's sad, man. He was doing like, you know, the book signings and the tours and speaking engagements. I actually booked him a speaking engagement and I promoted it and we had him here in Tampa.

And it was sad to see it. But I just loved him so much, you know. He was drunk and just, you know. Yeah, see what I'm saying? Like you can't. They can't hold it together. It's like, you got to hold it together, bro. I'm like, bro, what did you do with the money that they gave you for the movie?

He only made like, they only gave him like $250,000 for the movie. That money's gone. Yeah, it was gone, bro. He was still living like I was. You know, I thought I was still making all that money. And I was living like I was still a drug dealer when I wasn't. And he was doing the same fucking thing, man. Like, it's a funny story.

He was out to eat and he was ordering scotches. And, you know, a buddy of. bars were paying for the meal and he's ordering like $100, $250 scotch drinks, you know. It's like the fuck are you doing that? Somebody is paying for your meal. Right. You don't fucking order $100. Yeah, it was like $1,000 just in the drinks alone.

That's just how he was. He just. Yeah. Yeah. He thought he was still. You don't think that's a dick. Nah, because it wasn't my money. Okay.

But he didn't know. The guy said, buy whatever. He was enamored a fan. Buy whatever you want. I don't care what. it is. If you say that to someone fuck. He loved his scotch. So

I have fun times with George, man. I loved him. It's great. I have actually a picture of him and I in a hotel because he got shot in the hotel. The drug deal gone bad thing in the movie. Oh, okay. I didn't, I... Yeah, you said

showed you in the hotel. No, not, come on. I'm judging. I was not my war daddy. He was not my war daddy. I was not in prison with skinny pants like you with a camel toe mat. Kiki, hey. Hey, bro, you get down? Hey, Matt, you get down, Matt?

No, it wasn't you get down. You need anything? Yeah. You need anything? Hey. Yeah. You need another cup of coffee, bro? Yeah.

I got you. I got you. I'm good. You want to play some chess? No. I don't know what that means. Let's go. You have dreamy eyes.

You can tell your story? No, that's it. No, he showed me the bullet wound. Oh. In the movie where the drug deal gone bad with Carlos later in the hotel, he gets shot in the shoulder. Yeah. Like he showed me that bullet wound.

And I was like, fucking blown away. I was like, oh, oh, it's fucking, oh my God. He's like, I also got shot in the ass running from the Federali. You want to see that too? I'm like, no. But I would love to if you would like to show me here. But now George's character, love him. Great guys.

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