Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Check Fraudster Exploits a $30M Banking Loophole

Episode Date: February 1, 2026

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Neutral. Refreshingly simple. Found a check program. I made some changes to the program. Took the checks. I made one out for $565,389.19. I got some Colombians. They want to do up to $30 million.

I served the United States Air Force honorably for over eight years. And when I came out, I was struggling. And I found a nice job working out of an adult bookstore, which was unique, which was unique. Being there, you meet a lot of unique people coming into the adult bookstore, especially single women, women with husbands, women, asking questions, you know. Plus, you know, they had the little rooms in the back, plus they had the theater. So it was, it was, I was getting paid. I worked from 12 at night to 8 in the morning. And I kept that job for almost a year and a half.

Before I was terminated. Why? Before I was terminated. I would be, and I'm just going to be honest with you, I was sleeping with the older women. Okay. They would pay me. I mean, you know, they come up to the front, come see me, you know.

And, you know, at 27, 28, you know, you're like, okay, you know. But my boss did not like that too much. He was like, hey, you can't be doing that even though, you know. And so. I'm not running a brothel. You're going to get me charged. You're, you know, when you're young, you know, I'm 27, 28, you know, I'm not really not processing that I should know better. You know, I know.

So I lost that job. And then I started doing other odd jobs. And one of my friends, it was like, Avery, I need talk to you. And I was like, okay, we're going to talk to me about it. I'm working. You have to get with me. on one of my days off. He's like, it's real important, real important.

And I said, no problem, no problem. I'll get with you. So about two weeks, three weeks went by, and then he came over, came into the apartment, and I'm not going to say any names, but he was like, hey, let me show you this. And it was a check. It was a check.

It was a very large check. We're talking 25 to 30,000. $1,000. And I'm 28, and I'm looking at him like, where'd you get that from? And this is to him or just to somebody else? It was somebody else. Oh, okay. And he asked me, he was like, hey, what can you do with that? Do you think you can change it, work it out?

And I looked at him, and I said, why are you bringing it to me? Yeah. Because you're the only one I trust. Now he says, and I know you can think. All my other friends are idiots. When I looked at him, I said, okay, let me make a copy of it. So I made a copy of it. And, you know, I went to Office Max, and kind of looked around, and I found a check program.

And so I bought it. It was only like $30. So I took it home, and I went into the programming of it. And I made some changes to the program. because I had took programming classes in high school. So it was still, you know, functioning in me and I've done some programming in the military. So it was still there.

So I took the copy of the check and I duplicated it. Right. Not for the same amount before a different amount. Okay. Okay. Like 1,500, 1,500. And so I called my friend back over.

And so when he saw it, it had the watermarks had everything on he was like oh my god he's like this is nice he's like do you think it to go through that's the only way to find out yeah it's for him to deposit yeah for him to deposit or go to a check cash in place i told him but a $25,000 would have probably gone through but we didn't know yeah we're in our we're in our pre-criminal infancy stage yeah and so he took it went to Nation's Bank, they deposited. Three days later, he comes back and gives me $500. I was like, oh, okay.

He said, that's what this is for. He says, can you do more with different people's name on it? I said, yes, I can. I said, it's not a problem. But I don't want them to know where you're getting them from. That's my first thing. Well, nobody knows when I'm getting them from, I've worked two jobs.

I don't need the headache. So then I did a few. more checks. I got... This is all based on this one... This is a business check, correct? All based on this one business account using that routing number, that account number. Are you changing the check numbers?

All that's getting changed. What I did it had never been tried before. When I rewrote the program of this check program, I went in and changed some things on it. I'm not trying to re-litigate my case. I'm not trying to make it sound like this is a good thing. It was a bad thing. Right.

Okay, and I know that, okay? I raised the numbers, the account number and the writing numbers. I raised them a millimeter and kind of slanted them a little bit. So when they went through, they would continually circulate. Circulate. The bank was, okay, the money, the check is good, hadn't come back. So we keep circulating, circulating, circulating. And they would give you the money.

So, and that was with that one business check. And so I did maybe what a total of, what, 40,000 in different amounts that added up. And those checks were all over Houston. They're all over Houston. And these are different people depositing these checks in their accounts? Correct. Okay. Correct.

Or taking them to the check cashing places and getting them cash. And so my cut would come back through him. So he would bring me like five to six. thousand dollars when we can then bring me another another four or five thousand dollars and I was like okay I'm happy I'm paying bills I'm taking care of my personal business right okay then he brings me several more different business checks and he was like these are different ones and I looked at him I said you're gonna continue doing this

And he was like, I don't see you giving back that 10 grand, plus you got here. And I was like, okay. And he was like, you're making more doing this than working those two part-time jobs. And I was like, but I don't mind working. Yeah. And, you know, I had been working those 14. So I didn't mind working, I told him. It makes a little bit easier, you know.

And so I took the, I took the checks. and then I made them. I had to order some more check paper, which you could do back in the middle 90s. You know, I'd order it with no problem. And some of them came with the watermarks, some didn't come with the watermarks. But I could easily put the watermarks on the checks with no problem.

And so we did the new ones. And we didn't do them in Houston. He would take them to Dallas, Austin, Tenetone, Corpus, and put those out there. And he bought me back a substantial amount. And it blew my mind. I was like, whoa, we, before 10,000, you know. That's what, 20, 30?

Oh, it's like 40 and 50,000. Cash. Where is he getting people to deposit these checks? I didn't ask that question. Right. My question, my only question was, just give me the names you want on it, and that's it. And what we did, we would take one of those business checks.

Once we got, once we did that number, then I would shred it. That way we would never go back and use it again. Right. And so this, this went on. We're talking, let me see, this 97, going into 90, yeah, about 98. 98. Now I'm getting into the banking system. Okay? So I'm doing it. I still got my little two part-time jobs, because I want, you know, W-2 time. You know what I'm saying? I got to make sure I'm doing what I need to do to make sure I'm looking good on paper. One thing I tell people, people don't put garbage in a storage

unit. So whatever he would bring me, I would put it in my storage unit. I never kept any of that cash in my apartment. Okay? And I never let him knew that either because, hey, I don't need anything coming back to me. What about the computer and the printer and everything? Is that in your apartment? That was in my apartment. That's not good.

Well, wait a minute, though. You know, nobody would ever come to my apartment. The police will come to your apartment. Well, hold on the police. Well, wait a minute. I'm going to tell you what happened. I'm going to tell you what happened. So you'll know, you know, I do have brains.

Okay? I'm not crazy. Okay. Eventually, I did move the computer and the printer I was using out of my apartment into my storage unit. Did you feel like this is getting hot, like something might go wrong, or you just precaution, just in case? Or did you feel like something's wrong? It was precaution. Okay.

Because in U-Haul, they have plugs. You can always plug something in and do what you need to do. And I had a complete setup. inside U-Haul. Right. Okay. So nothing was at my apartment. So I have to worry about it.

Inside U-Haul storage. Yeah, U-Hall storage unit. Okay. When I think of what U-Hull, I immediately think of a truck. No, the U-Haul storage unit. Okay. Yeah, U-Hall storage units.

Like I said. I didn't know how they had storage units. Yeah, they got storage units. Okay. I have a, I had a, I had a medium-sized one. Okay. Okay. So I had the printer and the computer in there.

Okay. And so whenever he came, he would come to the apartment. And whatever he needed, I would have it already done for him in an envelope. But I would always, I started wearing surgical gloves, the little plastic gloves. Yeah. I started wearing those because I didn't want my fingerprints on anything. Right.

Okay. But he didn't know that. Because whenever I gave him anything, it would be an envelope. Right. Those office envelopes, the big ones, the vanilla ones. Yeah. I was giving them those with the checks inside. Okay.

Right. Because I'm protecting me. Yeah. And so after that, this went on. The summer of 98, he bought me some oil and gas checks, business checks. And these were, these were like, what, 400,000, 250,000, 780,000. These were big checks. Right.

And so I'm looking at these checks, and I'm like, dude, the only way to cash those, you're going to need to put them in a bank or a mutual fund. Now here's where it gets exciting. Okay. When I said bank, he said, well, we've already been doing some at a lot of the banks. He says, I didn't think about mutual funds. I said mutual funds, they go through, they won't question it. Because they're used to getting big, big.

They're used to getting big checks. And so when I mentioned that, he looked at me, he said, I might have somebody. I might have somebody. I said, okay, I don't want to meet them. Right. I don't want to meet them, I told him. So it was the summer of 98, the end of July. And so I did, he bought me a name, one of the guys was on my case.

And I made one out. for $565,389.19. Okay. I remember that figure because that was the first one. Well, I gave it to him.

He took it. The guy went and dropped in his mutual fund. Well, he comes back, what, five days later, and gives me almost 100 grand. And I'm looking at, I'm looking at like, are you kidding me? He said, the mutual fund cleared with no problem.

I said, well, the programming allows me to raise the right number and the bank number, so it's going to go through. It's going to go through for quite some time, I told it. He said, that's fine. He says, how many more can you do right quick? You know what nobody tells you about dinner? It never stops. Every day around 5 o'clock, it rolls around again.

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The same account? You just kept dumping them in the same account? Because the individual knew the fund manager at the mutual fund company. So he was like he knew him well. He said, no problem. Been there forever. Yeah, yeah.

Your checks are good. Don't worry about it. Tell him what you need. Well, bank one. Now remember, this is pre-9-1-1. Right. But you can go in and get $100,000, $250,000, no questions to ask.

Okay? When we did that, we had different people that was helping to facilitate some of this, okay, to make sure this individual would take the check to his mutual fund, deposit, you know, we had people watching him, making sure, you know, if he go and withdraw something, somebody's there with him. So it was like a total of us, me doing this, the other guy, and then the other three watching him, plus a female. Well, they were in bank, they were in bank, they were in bank one.

and the mutual fund company, this is at the end of, this is like November. The middle of November, they went into Bank One, Bank One kicked out a million and a half in cash. Remember, this is pre-9-1-1. You could go into the bank and withdraw.

Whatever was in your account, you could pull it out. When the Brink's truck showed up, the big one, they had the cash and stuff. And so they took the guy into the back room to the people, and they put it on the machine. It's counting. I mean, it's a million and a half. They walked out the bank with a million and a half. Okay?

A million a half, okay? But you guys are watching the whole time. Yeah, we're watching them. Somebody's in there with him. Are you concerned that he's going to take off with the money? Yes. Yeah, okay. Yeah, of course.

You know, that's a lot of money. Yeah. Plus he had a drug problem. Okay. I was going to say. He had a major drug problem. problem. Okay. So that's why he's going along with this. Because he's got to know at some point these checks are going to come back on. Yeah, correct, correct, correct. And this is when they're

getting ready to come back. Right. Okay. Remember, we started in July, in the July, and we kept doing this. So we got the money, we split it up. We met at a club, you know, we're all at the back of the VIP. And this is when I'm seeing everybody. Right. And they're seeing me. He's already told me who they were. They don't know who I am. All they know me by is AL. Okay, that's it. And so, we're dipping up the money.

I'm taking out of 1.5, I'm taking almost what? Five, almost five, almost 600,000? Okay, because I got expensive, I tell him. I'm the one doing this and this. Expenses, you're buying paper and you got a, you got a program. You got a, you got a, uh, uh, A QuickBooks program and a... Hey, you know, but I'm doing what I need to do.

Yeah. Okay. But they don't have any idea. They don't have any idea how it works, so... Correct. And that night, I told them, I said, hey, this is it. I got $600,000. Y'all got the rest.

I don't want nothing else to do with it. And so we told everybody, set on your money, because Christmas is coming. This is November of 98. Right. So I take my bundle. I go home. The next morning I get up and I go put mines in my storage unit. Right.

I kept 20,000, but I put the bulk of it up because, you know, I'm saying, okay, Christmas coming, I can pay off my car, you know, I can do things. I can quit these two part-time jobs and do what I need to do and go full time, you know, get my associate, get my associate, get my undergrad, get a master's, and keep it moving and live a little bit. Right. So everybody is doing what you're supposed to do, sitting on the money. Okay, nobody's buying nothing big.

Nobody's buying luxury items, car, nobody's doing any of that. Well, one of the guys decided to go buy a brand new Ford Expedition. Okay. He worked at FedEx. Yeah. Okay. Unbeknownst to all of us, we didn't know this.

I'm going to work like I normally do, you know. I'm working, you know, and I'm working. The other guys working too at his job, they're the young female, she's working. Well, when he bought the expedition in cash, that's enough of males. I was just thinking, you want to get a finance. Once it's finance, you can mail. You can go get cashier's checks, money orders.

You can go in at any, at that time, you could go in. For $10,000, you could go in with $7,000. Correct. And for $10, they'd give you a cashier check. They put any name on it, anything. And then you could just mail it to wherever. To the finance company. And take it back to the dealer and they'll take care of it for you right there.

Yeah, in three months from now after you, 7,000, 8,000, 5,000, 7,000, you just keep sending that. And in three months from now, your car's paid off and there's no real, I mean, yes, if the government came in and pulled those files, but it's highly unlikely they would because they're really just going to basically be looking at your bank account. Correct, correct. So he worked at FedEx part time. So he just didn't have $35,000 cash lying around. Right. So the dealership called IRS. Say, hey, we got to do.

guy just bought 35,000 in here. It's suspicious. For the expedition. But he only makes $23,000 a year at FedEx. She's a good saver. Well, the IRS started looking. Then they gave it to the FBI. But then the FBI goes to the dealership.

What's going on here? Dealerships still have the cash. Everybody looking at the cash, like, he bought that in? There's all hundreds, big bills. So, never mind, they're thinking, where he'd get this kind of money from. And he's only 24. Okay?

So three days, four days later, they pay him a visit. He's standing home with the parents. Just as labor did it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, that's not what happened. No, no. They even go to the front door.

He was angry. No, what happened, what happened, they went to his house. He was at work. All right. His parents were home. And so they knocked on the door, identified who they were, and asked for him. Well, he's at work right now.

They said, well, no time he'd be home. They said, yeah, he should be home by 430. Why? You know how parents get, what has he done? Yeah. Well, we're trying to figure out where he got $35,000 in cash. $35,000 in cash? Like, they were probably shocked.

They were shocked. They were like, where he'd get that from? You know, they're looking at each other like, you know, in the, the, father told the FBI, well, you know, he did pay our mortgage, $1,100 mortgage a couple days ago, and they were like, okay, but he works at FedEx. They said, yeah, he works at FedEx. Okay, so they waited until he came home. Well, now here comes to problems.

So when he got home, the Fed's know how they do. They went to you get in the house, everything you're comfortable. They knocked on the door. Well, the parents had already told him, hey, people came here looking for you. And he didn't know who came looking for him, but the parents, because, you know, the FBI said, don't tell him we're looking for him, just tell him we're going to come back.

So when they knocked on the door, they came in, the parents had come in the house, blah, blah, blah. And he came out of his room. And he saw the FBI, and he was like, what's wrong, what's going up? Well, why don't you have a seat? You just bought a brand-new expedition, which was sitting in the front yard.

And they said, how did you get $35,000 cash? and you know how parents looking at you, the parents are looking at him like, hey, whatever you're doing, need to tell. Because, you know, we need to know what's going on. He was like, looking like, I don't know what you talk about, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know.

And then mowing yards over the weekend. I'm saving. And then, therefore, I was like, well, we're going to take you down for questioning because we need to know where you got the 35,000 from. And so when they pulled out the handcuffs, really was to scare him. All he did was keep his mouth shut.

Yeah. and all of us would never see the inside of the prison. He got scared, and he was like, well, you know, that was my cut. They were like, you're cut. What do you mean you're cut? And so he went into the, he said, well, I got my cut here in a suitcase. So we had like $2,000 and a suitcase underneath his bed, cash. So when he pulled it out, because this is in the report, when he pulled it out,

they're bad, looking at him like, where do you get this cash from? The parents looking like you got $200 plus $1,000 in my house? In my house? And you only gave us $1,100? I only gave us $11,000 to pay the mortgage. And so they took him and the cash to the FBI building

on San Felipe. And so they started going at him. He didn't ask for no lawyer. He just started talking. And so he was like, well, this person got some. This person got something, this person got something. But the person that's doing it.

The only person that know him is this person. So then they go get the crackhead. Right. They get him, and he started telling everything. Oh, I know he was. They gave me these. They blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, that's two.

Now we won't. The female, they weren't worth too much about her. Right. Because they know, okay, she got a child. We'll get her. Yeah, yeah. She'll crumble immediately. Correct.

So the other guy They had the one they got caught by an expedition They had him meet him With wire Well no they This is 98 This is November of 98 They had wires in 98

They probably did But I don't know if he had wire on him They just, you know They was in the parking lot Right And his story to the guy Was hey I got some Colombians

That want to do this in their country they want to do up to 30 million. So my friend was like 30 million. He's not thinking he's being watched. Yeah. He's being watched. So I don't know anything about anybody getting arrested. I'm still working.

I'm working my two part-time jobs. Right. Okay. And so, so he leaves. Well, the FBI follows him to his house. Okay? Well, they knock on the door.

If his apartment, he's in there, where's a girlfriend, what have not. And they say, hey, we want to talk to you. Such and such, bum, blah, bum, they lay it out. We already know about him. We know about the other guy. We know about the female. Where's your money at? Because the other guy, the crackhead, we gave him $200,000.

Right. Okay? We knew what he was going to do with him. Yeah, he's probably going to kill himself. Yeah, you can't get it. You know, he'll jump up building with a big thing of crack. Yeah. It was good.

And so my friend, you know, he had money. Oh, he had, oh, he kept a million five. I got about five to six, $100,000. He got another four, maybe $400,000. And so it was in the house. It was in the apartment with him. And so they arrested him. And so they had all them downtown.

Okay. Now remember they hadn't put anybody in jail yet But they're trying to figure out How they amassed this amount of money Because this person say this person done it This person say he got it This is a young lady So

I had a pager at the time And my philosophy was I'm not I don't want to talk to anybody anymore I'm done I got what I won't I won't bother with nobody And so All this is going on Without me knowing it

Nobody's called me Nobody's saying nothing and it's okay, everybody's quiet. So I had some check paper in the house and everything, and so it was November, so I had my fireplace going, so I just threw it all in the fireplace. Did you know these guys were getting busted? Okay, so you have no idea.

You're just cleaning up, because you'd already decided I'm not talking to anybody anymore. I just clean up the rest of anything that may be here. Correct. With that kind of money, you have to know something's going to go wrong. Correct. And especially with these people that you're giving it to, you have to know they can't handle that kind of money. Correct.

They were given instructions. And they didn't follow. They didn't follow the instructions. And that's how people get in trouble. You give them a whole bunch of money, and it's just really an opportunity for them to make a whole bunch of mistakes. Correct. Correct. So, and that's what happened.

I probably was the only one that set on my money. So what happened, they got their money. Okay. And so then all they knew me by was AL. Okay. And you got your pager. I got my pager. And so it kept going off.

Kept going off, kept going off. And I knew the number. Like, what the hell? Why are they calling me? So I always went to a pay phone. Okay? I never used my home phone. I always went to a pay phone at least a mile away.

And so I would call. Yeah. And what happened is the FBI had the phone, where I was calling back in two. Right. So I'd be like, hey, what's up? And the guy was, hey, A.L. You know, what's going on?

What you're doing? So I'm not doing nothing. I say, I'm relaxing. You paged me like crazy. What do you need? He's like, well, I got these Colombian guys that want to do this. And I said, no. I told you, no, I'm done.

I said, I got mine, you got yours, everybody got. Y'all should be sitting still. I'm not doing anything I told. Not doing nothing. And so I said, hey, that's it. I hung up on it. Well, they had the phone tap, so they knew the pay phone I was using.

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So then when I hung up, I heard him left. That's how I always do. So I hang up, I don't sit there until I leave. Well, a couple of days went by. I'm thinking to myself, so I go to my storage unit. I'm thinking, I'm saying, wait a minute, something ain't right. Some ain't right. And so I took the drive, okay, and the printer,

and I take it to the other side of downtown Houston. And I found a dumpster And I just throw it in there Do the whole thing in there Okay I made sure it cracked Okay And then I poured water on top of it

And so that was done I went back to my storage unit My safe was in there I said okay I'm good I got other stuff in here Books and stuff I said no problem So then

Where's the money Is money still in there? Mm-hmm Okay Mm-hmm Money's still in there And so I go about my business

But in my gut I'm like okay Something's wrong This is about what November. I remember the day. It was a cold day. Sunday was November the 16th or 17th. It just rained the night before.

So he called me again on my pager. And so I go through the pay phone somewhere away from my house. Because the page would always go off at 637. So I always knew, okay, he knows I'm getting off. work on this job. So in my mind, I'm like, okay, it's the third time he didn't page me at this time. So now I'm thinking, what's really going on? So then I go to not the same payphone because they were there waiting on me. Right. So I go to another pay phone. Okay. And so I call. I go, what's going on? Why are you paging me? What's what's going on? And where are you?

He was like, well, I'm, I'm, I need talk to you. The Colombians are bothering me. I want, we need to do this. We need to do this. That's like a you problem. said, what did I tell you? I said, I'm not doing nothing. So you got yours, I got mine. I'm trying to live a peaceful existence right now. Okay? And where are the other people at?

Is everybody okay? Because you're the only one blowing up my pageer, I told it. He was like, well, he said, look, meet me. I said, meet you where? He was like, just meet me, meet me at the Walmart in Houston off of Highway 6 and 529. I said, all right, I meet you there. I went in, went. He said, meet me about 11 o'clock.

You already know something's wrong. I know something wrong. Let me tell you what I do. I hang up and I leave. So two days later, they show up at the Walmart. I'm across the street. Right. I'm across the street from the Walmart.

And so I'm looking, I parked, I'm looking at the Walmart. I see his car. Okay? And so I had a young lady that was seeing that worked in Walmart, optometrist's department. And so I called, I said, hey, my friend's getting me to come up in there, I'm going to let you know, just be ready to pick up the phone when I call you. He said, okay, no problem. So then I see him get out the car.

Then I see a bunch of FBI cars go in the back. They were basically surrounded the Walmart. Right. And so at this point, I'm like, what the hell is going on? And so then he gets out the car. I see a short lady with glasses go over and talk to him. And another gentleman that's taller than her talking to him. I'm like, I'm like, what the hell?

You know, I'm looking at this. I'm like, what the hell? But on the an unbeknownst to me, there is a FBI agent in the parking lot. Because there's a pay phone. There's two pay phones over there. Right. Okay? So one's at one end of the block in the other one.

I'm at the other one. That's the far end. Okay? And so I'm watching it. And so I see all three of them going to the Walmart. So I call my friend, and right there, as soon as you walk in, it's right there at the high glass place. So I say, hey, do you see such and such come in there? And she's like, yeah.

I say, call his name, saying, you've got a phone call. So he comes over there and she goes, hey, is your name such and such? And he goes, yeah, hi, you got a phone call. Like I get him a phone with him and say, who are those people with you? those are not Colombians. And I see a bunch of FBI cars all around. What is going on? He goes, oh, oh, oh.

Then the FBI lady took the phone from him and said, A.L. We know this is you. Okay, where are you at? We need to talk to you. I go, ma'am, I'm gone. Good day. And I hang up the pay phone and I heard him get in the truck.

Well, remember the FBI agent was over there. So he saw me, he, apparently they got on the walkie-talkie, and they were saying, hey, he's at the pay phone somewhere. watching us, he's watching us. And so if I'm pulling away from the payphone, the FBI agent sees me pull away. He's like, I'm just hypertheically thinking this way, oh, okay, I think that I just saw him.

And so I'm gone. I'm going. I'm like, okay, I should never have came to this payphone. I should have been, but I wanted to see. So the agent followed me, and so they pulled me over, and then they were like, hey, get back in your truck.

We're going to take you to the Walmart. I'm like, Walmart for what? I need to go to Walmart for it. So they let me drive. They got me, you know, where I have to drive back to Walmart, no problem. But then I park, I get out, we walk into Walmart. And they're in the optrometrist's department. So I walk in now.

And I look at them, I say, how can I help y'all? But I still have my pager on me. And the FBI lady was like, you're AL. I said, no, I don't know who A.L. I don't know. What are you talking about? And she looked at the guy.

She said, it's him. And he's like, that's him. And I said, I don't even know who you are. I said, what's going on? At this point, they hadn't arrested me because they were trying to make sure I'm a person. They're trying to identify you. Yeah, I'm trying to identify me

because they didn't know who I was. And so. Right now, you could just be some guy who was using the pay phone. Correct. He was using the pay phone. Correct. I could be an innocent person who used a pay phone.

So what they did, the other FBI agent went over to the phone. and dial my page number. Pager on me. It'd go off. And I just kind of look. And the FBI agent was like, you're coming with us.

You're coming with us. Well, can you, I got a call, so can I make this call first? Because the FBI agent was ringing the pageant. I know. And it was going off, and he was looking at her like, that's him.

That's him. And so they arrested me, took me down. That's when I, you know, they arrested me. they took me to San Felipe. Because they took those three down, but they born the female.

And I'd already told her, if you're going to leave, Houston, leave, leave. Go wherever you're going to go, but get the hell out of town. Because nobody knew where she lived. Right. Okay. So all they could really do is they have that idea.

I knew what she lived. Right. Okay. So they had the first guy, call her with me. I'm literally sitting at the desk watching him call her. And I screamed,

hang up. You know, and the FBI used to shove me like, shut up. And instead of her hanging up, she kept talking. That's how they got their address. Then they took me, went over to her house. And so, I'm saying to myself, she should be gone. She should be gone.

She wasn't? She just stayed there? Stay there with the baby. And so they, she had, what, 175,000? $175,000. How long until they put all this here? You guys all got the money. Was this within a week, two weeks?

About two weeks. Two weeks? Because they had them. Yeah. But. No, it took them time to. Trying to, you know, keep what's going on. But they didn't arrest any, they only, they didn't put them in Harris County.

Mm-hmm. They kept them out. They kept, hey, I'm going to leave you out because they wanted the ring later. Yeah. Well, and they also, it might show up in the, right? It might show up and you can check. The news or the paper, because I'm a news junkie. I watch six different channels.

We can't have somebody, him knowing for sure, oh, my gosh, these four people that he's associated with got arrested. He's not going to answer any pages. He's not going to do nothing. I'm not going to get rid of the page and be done with it. So they got her. They left her out. They booked me in. So the next morning, we're all in the peril courthouse.

downtown Houston. So I'm there. And so they give, no, they give you all this, a bond. We all give us a surety bond. Right.

It needs somebody come sign. So my aunt came and signed for me. She was like, what the hell? What the hell? She said, what did you do it? I say,

I explained later. I explained later. So then everybody got out. See, hit the catch. They got their money. They came to my apartment. They went through my apartment.

Oh, they went through it. Right. They were looking for things, you know. They couldn't find the paper. They couldn't find the ink, the printer. I had bought another one, you know, with a new printer. So they were, you know, they were trying to, they took that. Right.

You know, they were like. Goes nowhere. There's no memory. In the memory, there's no checks. There's no. Nothing. Right. Nothing.

And so they're trying to figure out, okay, you got, you know, where's your money at? Because they watched me. Right. Oh, they watched me. They were like, okay, I never went to my storage unit. Never. That's one thing I tell people. You want to hide something, put in the storage unit.

They don't, you don't, people don't put trash or garbage in the storage unit. And so they finally, you know, got a lawyer. You know, we go through the whole Fed thing, process, everything. The FBI agent labeled me a danger to the banking industry. Because what we did, nobody had ever done it because those checks were coming back. That's when they really started coming back to the mutual fund. They were sending them back to them saying, hey, this ain't us. This is not our, you know.

And so my lawyer worked it out where I did a plea agreement. I told on myself. Yeah, yeah. If they want to tell, they can tell. But for some sense. Well, they've already told. Yeah, they already know everything. So the FBI needed, they needed to know, you know.

Yeah. And one of the things that they asked me, where's the money? I said, I'm sorry. You put them cups on me, okay? You threw me in the back of your car. All right, you took me to my friend's house when she would open the door, seeing me outside. I said, no.

I said, I have no idea. I spent it. Right. I spent on girls. I spent on shoes, clothes. I said, I traveled a little bit. Gambling. Yeah.

It's gone. I told them. That's what I told them. And so they were just pissed. Because they had their money, but they need the company where the bank was like, look, we need to. our money because they went to Bank One. Remember, banks were giving out, you know, if you had it in your account, they'd give it to you.

But no questions asked. Well, Bank One and the mutual fund company was arguing with each other, hey, we need this money back. I didn't care. I'm going to go to jail for X amount, where prison for X amount of what have not. So I told what I did, and they were like, okay, so you wrote, you rewrote this program. I said, yeah. I said, don't take a rocket scientist to rewrite a program. And so they had copies of the checks that came back.

And they were like, they laid them all out there. And the ones that did come back from the previous, they had those. And they were trying to say, well, these, I said, I have no idea. I said, but I can tell you, those, those, those, those, I did. Right. Those other 1,500 checks over there? I don't know nothing about it. I don't know nothing about them.

And so they would say, well, they're saying you did, though. I said, no. I said, I don't care what they say. I know what I did. Okay? They got somebody else to do those. And so the FBI was like, okay, no problem. And so the U.S. district attorney, he was just being, he was a bulldog.

He was just, yeah, I want to see your client. I'm going to throw the book at him. And I'm like, look at him like, okay, throw the book at me. You're not getting the money back. You're not getting none of that money back. And they've already recouped the other money. So right now your dollar loss is what? $500,600,000?

Six hundred thousand, that's it. Mm-hmm, 600,000. That's a few years, that's just a few years. But also, I didn't have no drug. Yeah, yeah. Alcohol problems, you know. I had two, I did have two part-time jobs. Yeah.

Okay. So the judge was like no problem. Hey, he's good. And the judge on my case do my grandmother. Oh yeah. I remember, okay. Right. She knew my grandmother.

You know, my parents were pissed. They were pissed. And my sister was like, I can't believe you did, sis. She said, I can't believe you did this. I'm like, hey, it happens. Things happen unexpectedly on the Yellow Brick Road, I told her. And so I got 66 months. No, 60 months.

60 months. 60 months. That's five years. Yeah. Why? Yeah. Five years. So that's still you're doing four years plus maybe some probation.

I mean, I'm sorry. Five years. Halfway house? Like what you did? Okay. Would you do like three and a half? I was fighting in there too. So, you know, they take 30 days away from you.

You're a good time. So I did. I ended up, there's almost 60. But, no, that gets 60? Hold on. It's been a while. I got 60 months. I did 63 months because I was fighting.

had two fights while we were in federal prison. Okay, okay. So, you know, plus with the half-house, 48 months, blah, blah, blah, you did, just six months, and then you're on five-year supervised release. Right. So I got sentenced June of 99, Father's Day. And so, you know, I went, you know, I went to the camp,

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And I got the Beaumont. That's when the captain told everybody, look, he's military. Y'all leave him the hell alone. Okay? He's military. He ain't bothering nobody, but he will hurt y'all. And that's what I was doing. I'm breaking things.

I don't care. I'm in prison. You threw me in there with a bunch of animals. I've become an animal to survive, okay? So I did my time. I came out in 2004, August of 2004. And, you know, coming out, you're broke.

Yeah. Well, most people are broke. Or most people are broke. You're not broke. I'm not broke. I'm not broke. And slowly I got back on my feet. I did supervised release.

I had a good supervised release personnel. He was real good to me. You know, you know, I went on the drugs, but then they would bring you in with everybody else is to catch people. That's how the feds work. I need you to do a UA. But they bring other people. people in because they know they're doing it.

You're the clean sample. Right. I was a clean sample. And so I've worked, I worked, I had some good jobs. I worked really good jobs. Went back to college. Finish up my, my undergrad in business administration. Also, when I came off Supervisor release, February of 2009, I started doing lab studies.

Right. Because they were still wanting to know where that money was. So every time I would go to my supervisor release, she would say, hey, they're still looking for that money. Right. And I'd be like, I spent all that. And she would just look at me. Because in her mind, she's like, I know you got that money. Right.

I know you do. And I would just, I mean, I would play the part. I would never wear anything new. I would always go down there, hagg it. Yeah. I was fucking, I was sitting on $500,000 where I'd be driving this 10-year-old Toyota Corolla. Come on, man. No, I was driving a 2000, no, what was the 19?

1997 Ponyak, Sunberg, okay, with Sunroof. So $2,000 paid for it. So I played the game, okay? I came on supervised release because every now and then, when I would leave for work, I worked at Union Pacific. I was a driver. I would see FBI agents parked outside the, you know, the tracks watching me. And I'd be like, oh, my God, this 5.30 in the morning, y'all are watching me?

You know, because they don't think you can see them through the cars. So I already knew they were watching. My storage unit was good. It was already paid up, so I didn't have to go over that at all. And so this went on. That's why I started doing the lab studies. Okay? And I was healthy, wasn't on drugs.

And I had a roof over my head, so I wasn't worried food and car and everything. But I still needed things, and I couldn't go over there. Could not go over there. And so when I started doing the lab studies, I did hydrocodone. I did a bunch of different... We say lab studies, explain. Lab rats. Okay.

Lab rat studies are they test new medicines on you. Okay. On you personally. Personally. You agree. They bring a group in. They bring sample A and sample B in groups, okay? I was always being either A or B.

So you would either get the placebo or you get the actual drug. Okay. And they paid well. I mean, this is 2009, 10, 11, 20, okay? So I'm doing these studies. You know, my family look at me like, you're crazy. Why are you doing these studies? I say, hey, I have my reasons.

What do? They give you the Medicaid. You take the medication for 90 days and then you just fill out forms or they take blood work. Here's what they do. You go in for screening. Right. Make sure your average health. Correct.

And I was healthier. I'm exercising. I just came out of the joint, so I'm still in top condition. Right. Besides, I'm 49, 40. So I'm still good. So I passed all the screenings, but no problem.

So I did the hydrochlorone study. That was a 60-day study. Okay? So at the end of study, when you go in, they tell you everything. You fill out all the paperwork and everything. Day two, they feed you, you know, they let you do,

no, walk around, whatever you go. Day three, they give you the medicine. okay you're in group a and you're getting the real mess and group B is getting the placebo for 15 days then they give them the real one and then 15 days

we get the placebo and it goes like that for 60 days 1515 well at the end they pay well they gave a check for 45,000 okay nice yeah so I'm looking at them like okay so then I start doing more lab studies

do you have to stay there or you get to go home no you have to stay there they have a big They have everything. They have TVs, libraries. I mean, these facilities are there to make money. Right. They want you to be comfortable.

They don't want people to say, I can't stay here anymore. Correct, correct, correct. No fighting. You're there for a purpose, you know, mind your peace and curses. They got male and females. Okay. Then I did a cancer study. Then I did a prostate study.

They, you know, cancer. That one paid $23,000. I was only left for 40 days. each one that varies. And so I was doing different lab studies, you know, across America. Right. Houston, San Antonio, Austin, Kansas City, Wisconsin. That's where they pay the most.

And so I was getting paid. I was getting paid. And it does take, it does beat your body up, your liver, because your liver is what breaks down everything they give you. Right. And so one of the things that I was, was doing while I was in there, I was drinking a lot of hot water. You've helped flush it out.

Right. And one of the doctors noticed that I was drinking hot water. Like, if they give me the medicine, two hours later, I'm drinking nothing but hot water because they would be doing blood draws. Yeah. And the blood would be flowing out. I mean, it would be flowing out, you know, into the syringe. And he was like, I know she's drinking a lot of hot water.

I say, yeah, I'm just flushing out the system, you know, just keeping me healthy. He was just, he running in my chart, you know. And so after that one, when I did go back up in Kansas, they would make sure, okay, Mr. Ayers, you can't drink hot water, but you can drink warm water because they kept it cold. Yeah. And I was like, hey, you know, it's cold up here, but no problem. You know, water's water, whether it's cold, room temperature or hot,

it's still going to do the same process. Right. A little bit longer. And so I've done lab studies up until 2014, 2014, and then that was it for lab studies. My family was like, you're crazy, but there's a method to the madness I tell everybody. Right.

And so after this, now here come my second federal bid, okay? And this one was simple. And I should have just said it right after that, no. But she was like, Avery helped me. I need your help. The only one that can do this. I was like, no. I should have said, hell no.

They'll get out in my face. But it was a wire fraud. And once again, I'm not glamorizing crime or not trying to re-litigate my case. I'm very remorseful. If I could go back, I would go back and change some things. But life is about moving forward. You can never go back. So the wire transfer was only less than $400,000.

What was it she wanted you to do? She needed an account to put funds into. So she wired it to you. She wired it to my account from an overseas bank, HSBC. Okay. Okay. And when it hit the account, I went in. Now it's pre, it's post-9-1-1.

Right. So now you can only get, what, 9,000, 9,000, 9,000. $900. That's it. Yeah. Okay. Before you have to fill out a cash transaction report. Suspiscuous activity report.

Yeah, it triggers a suspicious. Sometimes you could even get out five or six thousand, but if they notice you do it several times, they're like, hmm, this is the third time this week. He's come. This is, they call it structuring. He's structuring getting out more than $10,000 by not taking out at the same time. Correct. So I took out cash and I got the money or cash use checks for her.

Okay. So the bank contacted Core America. It was like, hey, we need our money back. Core America's like, well, it's in his account. It's not all there. So Core America called me. You know, Mr. Avery, we need to get this money back, blah, blah, blah. I said, wait a minute.

It was a legitimate transfer. What's the problem? They're like, well, it came from an account that it shouldn't have came out of. I said, whoa, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Are you telling me that this bank didn't know this money came out? IT accountant until a week later. She's like, yeah.

I said, well, what's ever in there, send it back. You can go on and send whatever's back in there to them. I give you authority to close the account down, take the money, and send it back. What's everything in there and send it back? Well, they were missing almost, what, about $50,000? Right. And so, Core America was like, well, Mr. Ayers, we need this money back. And I was like, take what's in there.

and move on. You know, take what's in there. Move on. Hey. Why are you holding on the past? Well, you're right. And I told it later, I said, you know, I'll give you from the fraud department. How did y'all let this, how did they let this get by them?

This was a business transaction. Right. I told her. I say, so on my side is legitimate. I have no idea what's went on on the other side. And so the fraud prevention of the Corps of America was like, well, we're just going to shut their account down. Says, we've been telling y'all. Shut their account down.

and send the money back. Not them. They left a whole $300,000 and some chains sitting in the account. Right. Okay? So, unbeknownst to me. Well, no, I left it loan.

Okay. I had my money. I left it loan. It went to my friend, okay? So I would tell her, I'd say, hey, these people want their money back. What did you do? Right.

Tell me what you did. Okay? And she would never tell me. I said, hey, let me tell you something. something. Okay? I'm not trying to go back. Right. Not trying to go back for, um, uh, uh, wild fraud, I told him. So then, uh, finally she was like, okay, here's what happened. I have a friend that worked on the inside. They had a dormant account, you know, we took the money from there. I said, why in the hell didn't you tell me this? And I could have gave you a better,

this, do it this way. I said, now I have core America calling the hell out of me. Right. But even though the money's sitting there, I sent them an email back saying, hey, you can authorize you use a close account and send them to them. Okay? That wasn't good enough for them. HSBC was pissed because $357,000 is missing, but $307,000 is still in their account. Right.

So everybody's upset. Okay? I'm upset. The banks are upset. My friends look at me like, I don't know what I'm going to do. I say, you need to come to Core America and tell them, what's going on. That way we can close this account and send the money back.

Well, she won't do that. Right. I said, okay, no problem. Ain't no problem. I'm going to do what I need to do. So I went, I had another lab study I had to go do. So I went done it. Well, unbeknownst to me, the U.S. Marshals were staking out my apartment.

But you weren't there for? I wasn't there for 60 days. So they didn't know where I was. They saw my car, but they didn't know where I was. bus. So I come back from a lap, so that made what, I made 40,000. So I came back, I came back into Houston at, um, by 1030. I came back on Greyhound. And so when we home, I got off Greyhound, I mean, I got off of Greyhound, got on Metro, stopped at the bank, deposit check in the bank, and went home. Well, as I'm walking from the bus stop to the apartment, the Marshalls,

sitting in the car, they watch, I walk right in front of them. They parked next to my car, and I'm paying any attention to it. Because I was like, okay, you know, I got my mail and went up, that was Core America with the balance from the account. I'm like, you guys are still holding on to this? It's been 90 days.

So then, I'm up in the apartment, and the UPS driver knocks on the door. I mean, I hadn't been in the apartment, maybe two hours. Right. And so, open the door, he said, hey, you got a package at the front. I'm like, what package?

I just got home. And I'm not thinking because I'm tired. I've been on the bus, 17 hours, so I'm like, look, I'm ready to relax. So I said, okay, no problem. I'll go up there and get it. So when I go down, I like my apartment, I go down, I got flip-flops on. It's April, May, time frame. So as I'm coming off the elevator, the U.S. Marshal's there.

So, I mean, soon as I come off the elevator, there they are. And I'm like, looking at them like, hey, how are y'all doing? I'm not thinking about nothing. And so they go, Mr. Ayers, he said by name. And so I stopped, look to him, I said, how can I help you? If there come to the other guy from around the corner. I go, what's going on? But we need you come.

I'm not coming over with y'all. What's going on? Do you have a warrant for me? Oh, well, it's on its way. I said, okay, I'm going to get a package from the front. They were like, oh, we, we. There's no package. There's no package.

So I looked at them. I said, so you lied to the UPS guy. And so I said, okay, well, I'm going back to my apartment. You know where I'm at? Just knock on the door. Well, the marshal was like, well, no, we can't let you. Well, you're not going to detain me. Right.

So I got back on the elevator closed door and went on upstairs. Well, about an hour and a half later, here they come with the warrant. They're knocking on the door. And so, open the door. I go, yeah, they said, well, we got the warrant for you. I said, okay, no problem. I'm putting on some shoes. closing the curtains and everything.

And I said, I locked it. They were like, well, you'll need to lock because I'm locking my apartment. Ain't nothing y'all need to know. So then I go downstairs with them, and there's just another U.S. Marshal lady, and she tells me, well, Mr. Ayers, we have a warrant for your arrest because why fraud?

I said, ain't no wire fraud. I said, Core America got a letter. See, they didn't know that. I said, I gave Core America a letter saying to close the account and send what's ever left there. You know, because we didn't, you know, it was a simple business transaction that went wrong.

And so the marshal was looking at me like, well, you have talked to Core America. Right. I'm like, yeah, I talked to Cool America. I said, who's running this outfit? I said, who's running this outfit? And she looked at me. Then she gets on the phone.

Now I'm in the middle of my parking lot with three other marshals and her, and she gets on the phone to the U.S. Attorney. And I hear her tell him, well, Mr. Air is. has been in contact with Co-America, and he sent him a letter requesting that they closed the account and sent with remaining funds back to HSBC.

Well, the U.S. Attorney said, hold on, let me call you right back. So we're in the middle of the parking lot. It's May in Houston, okay. So I'm like, okay, no problem. And so we're out there, I'm like, I'm going to go back to my apartment. I told him to go back to my apartment, you know. and use the bathroom and I'll be right back. And the marshal was like, go for it.

I mean, they literally let me walk back. Right. They knew I went for the run. If I didn't run the first time, I'm not for to run. Right. Okay. I go up, I used the bathroom. And as I come back to the door,

when I opened it, the marshal standing right there, he was like, yeah, he said, we come to get you. Come on. So then I locked the door and I go back down. The lady tells me, well, the U.S. attorney wants us to arrest you anyway and bring you in. So you can be formally charged. until we sort this out because Core America was not picking up the phone.

The fraud department was not picking up the phone. Okay. So then the building they took me from, that took me two, was only 10 minutes from my apartment. It's on the other side of the I-45. It's called the Justice One building. All right. Everybody go.

Okay. So I'm sitting there with no handcuffs on anything. I'm just sitting there. I mean, I'm just, I'm looking, everybody's looking at me, and I'm like, what's going on? Then the lady comes back. says they want to take you downtown to the federal detention center. I say, no problem.

I need to make a phone call. Yeah, I've been here before. I've done that. Yeah, this is. And so then she lets me call. I call the family member. Say, hey, I'm going to charge me for wire fraud. I'm going downtown to the federal courthouse.

I'll probably be arranged first thing in the morning. Again? Yeah, that's what my, they said, what did you do this time? I said, hey, we're going to sort it out. We're going to sort it out. So then they take me downtown Houston. Okay. I'm in the FDC.

I'm sitting down. You ain't communicated, because you don't have a number. You can't use the phone. You know, you're getting three square meals, and, you know, you've got a cot. So I know the routine. Once you go down the first time, it's the same thing the second time. So then the next morning, I get a ring. Well, the judge, Gray, was looking at me.

And he was like, okay, Mr. Ayers, you've been here. second time, blah, blah, blah, blah. But he said, I don't know. Somebody made a mistake somewhere. To me, I'm looking at this judge. He's telling me someone made this mistake somewhere. But I don't have any of your paperwork. I'm sitting there looking at him.

I'm going back to my apartment. Yeah, yeah. I'm thinking, you can let me go. Well, at that time, the U.S. attorney shows up. And he goes up and he talks to the judge. I'm listening to it. He's like, well, we really had formerly formerly, charged me anything because the fraud department didn't tell us that he had

gave them permission to send the money back. And so the judge is like, why is he here in front of me then? Perreward judges are, you know, they, they know their business. Right. And so I was like, can I get a court-appointed lawyer? If you all, you know, if I'm going to stand here, I need something. And so there was a court-appointed lawyer already in there. I was talking to somebody else.

And he was like, I can take the case. So he went up there, he was like, look, let's give him a bond, surety bond until we can figure out what's going on. No problem. They did that. So my fact, my uncle was there, so he signed me out. And so I'm telling him what's going on, blah, blah, blah. So I called the girl.

I say, hey, you know him. I just made a bond from feds. So I'm letting you know. Whatever went on, you need to come talk to me. or we need to meet somewhere. I say, because I don't like this. You're messing with me right now. Right.

And so that's when she tells me, well, you know, we, you know, those are stolen funds. Right. I'm like, oh, oh, okay, stolen funds. I say, now you tell me the truth. You didn't tell me why I agreed to this. I said, but it's okay. I say, it's okay.

It's a lesson learned on my part. And so when they asked me, how did I know somebody in HSBC? I said, well, hell, let's go get her. Yeah. I don't know anybody at 8. I died. She does.

Because one thing the FBI does, they go back and look. Okay, he did this. Okay, so we know he's not crazy. We know he can think. Right. So somebody knows somebody in HSBC, which was her. So they got, I gave him a name, and I gave a statement. I'm like, look, this is my, this is what I did.

Anything else, you didn't go ask to her. But they went got her, and the puzzle came together. Right. So I got, once again, the marshes come. They gave me paperwork. Hey, you need to come to court. I'm like, oh, no problem. So I show up for court.

They tell me what you're going to get sentenced on this day, September of 2015 for this, this and this. Because a whole year had went by. At this point, what? are you responsible for? What are they saying you're responsible for? 50,000? Are they trying to hit you with the whole... They hit me with the whole 357. Okay. They hit both of us because it's joint restitution, so both of us. So we both got charged with 357,000. But at this point, what year was this? I'm sorry.

2015. September of 2015, I got sentenced on the second case for wire fraud. But during this time, I'm still out. So I get to research in HSBC. They are criminals. Right. Okay? When I say they're criminals or criminals. Yeah.

They got called. They had some issues. The big issues. They were mine laundering big time for the cartels. They pay a ton of fines and stuff. And they got a non-disclosure agreement with the federal government. Okay. Which means you're supposed to, if something going on your bank,

Let us know so we can stop it before it happens. Right. Okay. Well, the judge didn't know that. Well, I gave it to my lawyer. Say, hey, HSBC ain't being truthful with us. They're not telling us where this money really comes from or why they're not disclosing everything. So when my lawyer went to the U.S. attorney with it,

he didn't know about it. You know about the non-disclosure agreement. Okay. Which protects the bank, but they're supposed to cooperate fully in the investigation. All right. Okay. Which means those funds came out of, not a dormant account, but a member account. Oh, okay.

So it's not, it's like an unnamed, is this like an anonymous account? Correct. So we don't know if this is, is this drug money? Correct. Okay. Correct. Correct. So it's part of their money laundering operation.

Correct. Correct. Correct. And like I say, I'm remorseful. And if I hadn't done my research on HSBC, we would never found out. So then the U.S. Attorney was like, okay, hey, you know, we don't want this getting out. We do not want all this getting out. Okay. So what they did, they're like, okay, you take a plea for 60 months, no problem. we'll put you on three years super by release and be done with you. You know, so I'm looking at them crazy. 60 months. So they want you to go to jail for five years again?

Again. Okay. Because I'm strike two. Right. Okay. And that's what the U.S. attorney was saying. Even though we know about this with H.S.BC,

y'all still took the money. Right. That's, you know how U.S. attorneys are. They justify fucking you somehow. Correct. Correct. Correct. And so I was like, you know what?

No problem. I just need to tidy up some things, you know, And the U.S. servant, like, okay, no problem. He was real cool. He was like, no problem because they didn't want me to start talking to the news, me, and say, hey, HSBC guy. They have a non-disclosure agreement where they're supposed to tell the government about all that's going on, and they didn't. They didn't want that out. All right.

So I went, and this is where I met Chris. Right. This is where I made Chris. So they let you self-surrender? Well, I didn't get a chance to step surrender, but I did turn myself in at the federal courthouse. Okay. Okay. So I stayed in the FDC for two months,

and then I got moved to Beaumont. Okay. So it gave me a chance to put everything back in storage. All right. And do what I need to do, put a little money on the books. No, take with me. So I'm covered. And so I went back to prison, which I really regret it

because I had a whole new future in front of me, you know, doing things I wanted to do. I was getting ready to start. traveling but everything there's always a stomach block in the way and so I learned from it and I was at the camp you know cell phones were in right I had a couple cell phones got busted with a cell phone got moved over to the low and this is where we met I met our mutual friend right Chris Marrero.

And he livened it up a little bit. He's very entertaining. Yes, he is. And so it got me through the last three years of the bed before I went back to the camp and then I got released. And then I was on Supervisor release. I came off a year and a half early because Judge Gray was like, no problem. Once again, he knew about the HSBC non-dead.

disclosure. Right. So they were really, and they're not out a ton of money, and that seems like a lot of time for that amount of money. Correct, it does. But remember, in the feds, it took me from category one to category two. Yeah. And since it was $357,000, they still use the lost.

They use the potential loss figure instead of the actual loss? They used to, mm-hmm. Right. Because I got the money back, except for the 50. Yeah, except for the 50. So the whole 357 was put on our back. Um, okay. What year is this? Uh, 2014 is when it happened, but I didn't get sentenced till, uh, 2015. So you're out by like, what, 2018, 2019? No, I came out. Um, right before COVID,

right at the beginning of COVID, February of 2020, I came out. Okay. Okay. Um, February 20, February 24th of 2020, I came out. And so, I came out, I was like, no problem, you know, bought all my legal work home, because I did legal work for people in prison, and moved on. Once again, moved on. I never looked back. You know, it happened. You know, now I know, just, hey, leave me in my own little world now.

Right. So when I came home, I did my halfway house time, and went back to school. I had completed my undergrad and my master's when I was out the first time, and I went back and completed my associate in paralegal. slash legal assistant studies. So I've been doing that for the last five and a half, about six years on the record and three years unofficial, but I help people.

And so it's different being a paralegal now. Right. Because when I go into the courtroom, I can actually go up and talk. A lot of them don't know when I step into the courtroom because if I'm in there with my boss, they really don't pay attention. But if I have to go in now, they get a case reset,

talk to the clerk or talk to the attorney at the state level or even go on an approach. Like, I just had a client a couple weeks ago where I had to go in and talk to the judge. And I'm standing up there talking to her, and the DA is right there listening to me. And it's a different feeling from being on one side of the law to being on the good side of the law.

Yeah. And so. Well, you get to walk out the front door. I get to walk out the front door. I get to keep the same clothes on and go eat what I want to eat, get in the car I have, and keep it moving. It's an eye-opener, especially in federal court. When I go in there and we have our client and we're talking to him and I'm sitting there at the table. And one thing I tell people, judges see everything in their courtroom.

Right. Because they're looking down, but they're seeing everything. And one of the things I tell people before they get sentenced is always pay attention to the judge. When you're speaking, speak to the judge. And look at the judge. Clear. And it's been, being a paralegal has been a wonderful thing for me because I'm seeing all of the new laws come out from the state of Texas, and I'm seeing how the feds are operating with the new laws that they have.

have from Congress. And so it's fascinating. It is for me. And I like it. Um, do you do when you were locked up, did you do a lot of legal work for, for guys that you're locked up. I did a lot of divorces. I did some 2255s. So you get to see the whole process and how it's, it rolls out. Correct. The how long it takes and the whole thing. So yeah, there are guys that go in, uh, like I have a buddy named Pierre Rossini. He'd probably the best, he'd probably be the best lawyer you could ever have, you know what I'm saying? Because he did it all that time for, like, for nothing. You know what I'm saying? So the whole goal is one, they just wants to win the case. Correct, correct, correct. And that's the ultimate goal. And some of the 2255s, I did get some guys

out. When the first step act came out, I helped a lot because most people want to fill out the paperwork correctly. And being agreed, it was, okay, let me look at this. And I would I was happy to help them, even when they got the clemency with President Obama I was in. So I took pride in doing the paperwork and getting them out or home or even cut their time in half. And it makes a difference when they have kids or they have a loved one, wife coming to see them, and, hey, I'm going home. And so I take pride in helping those guys. But it also gave me more practical use when you do legal work for people. Right.

From divorces to 2255 to just regular tickets. Someone had speeding tickets in there. They won them off their back. And so I did that paperwork. So it was profound not only a lessing in not going back, but also help people if you can. Yeah, well, We're all in prison, but we're not all here for the same thing.

Some are in for drugs. Some are in for blue collar. Some are in for white collar. But at the end of the day, we all want to go home sooner than later. We'll see our families, our loved ones. And so I took pride. Chris did some legal work as well when he was in there. Oh, I'd be terrified.

I would be terrified. I had to look over his paperwork, be like, let me see your paperwork. Don't you get that to nobody. And I would tell him, let me redo this. Your Honor, he is not given up his rights to be a citizen in the United States. He is a sovereign individual. Oh, for God's thanks, Chris. Hey, Chris, get off the gas, but we all get 50 years.

The fringes on the flags are signify that it's a, this is a maritime court. Okay. All right. Stop it. No, he would go to that extreme, and I would be like Chris. Enough. You're going to get this guy charged again? I know.

I said, you would get him, you're getting messed up this time. And then they're really going to be ready to beat you up. Yeah. Listen, there were guys in Coleman. They got recharged because they were sovereign citizens and they were filing paperwork against judges. So they're filing judgments against FBI agents and their federal judge. And they would one day get, they'd come down and they'd say, hey, you know, pack up.

And they'd be like, I must be going back to court for, they're going to let me out. No, they get to court and they find out. They just got another three years. Yeah, another three years. I forget what they call it. It's basically like, I forget what it was, paper terrorism. They don't say that, but it's something like that. It's fraudulent paperwork or something to that assumption, but it's against like a government official or something.

Yeah, it's so obscure that so few people get charged with it. But like I literally watched a couple of guys leave and come back a year later. I can't believe this. I just gave me that three years. And it's like, well, why don't you fight it? Why don't you go to trial? Why don't you? Because they're always like, oh, you can go to trial.

You can this. They can't do that. Why didn't you? Did you tell them about the sovereign? Did you do it? I tried. My lawyers told me. I couldn't.

It's like, stop it then. Stop doing this. Stop it. You're right. I had people at the camp doing it. I had people at the low. And I would just tell, I'm not touching that.

I'm not touching that. I'm going to go home. I'm not going to touch that. Okay. We had a guy. this real good. We had a guy that, now I knew him, but he was at the medium, but he had been at the low. He was a bookkeeper that did taxes once a year, and he also did people's books, right? Like, you don't have to be an accountant necessarily. You can just, or maybe he was an accountant,

I forget, but he basically kept business as books. And then once a year, he would do their taxes. So every month you send them your receipts and your receipts, and he keeps your books. They'll keep a book. Which is great. Yeah, there was those services. And then at the end of the year, he would do taxes. Well, he had done, he started doing like the tax scam where he started getting people back money and guys in the neighborhood are coming to him saying, hey, can you file this for the end? He's doing it. And eventually it catches up.

He goes to the low. He gets like five years or six years, something like that. He goes to the low. And while he's in the low, he becomes, and he was already kind of on the fence with this whole thing, the sovereign citizen. But he meets some guy. They show him the book. They show him the whole book. They show him the whole thing.

He applies for his QZAC number or QSAC. It's QSAC. QSAC number. Yeah. And he files his paperwork, you know, oh, look, my name's in all capitals. And he ends up incorporating himself his name as a corporation. And through some kind of paperwork, he gets some federal. judge that

says that the Bureau of Prisons has no jurisdiction over his corporation, his name. So it's got his name and the corporation, all in caps. Now, I have no doubt that the

federal judge thought he had made some argument that the Bureau of Prisons was doing something in regards to this corporation. and wrote a letter or a motion or something stating that the Bureau of Prisons has no jurisdiction over, you know, this corporation with his name. So he gets this, which is, it's semi-vague, right?

Like, it's like, okay, well, so, you know. But he, of course, is saying that that's me. This corporation is me. I am the corporation. I am this. This is my, you know, what is straw. or whatever that insanity is that he's got connected in his head. So he packs up his bags at the low and he goes to the front, like the front gate.

Like with his, you're not even supposed to go. You're not even allowed to go to the front gate. Correct. You can't cross that line. Right. He goes across. Well, he can because it doesn't apply to him. He got this letter.

So he goes there and I mean a lieutenant, somebody walks out and sees him. They're like, hey, hey, what are you doing? like, I'm leaving. First of all, you don't leave through the front gate. You leave to R&D. R&D. So I don't know what you're doing, crackpot. But the guy comes up, what?

He's like, no, no. He's like, a federal judge released me, telling me, look, you have no jurisdiction over me to hold me. You have no jurisdiction at all. And he walks up and the guy reads it and goes, I think I know what this is about. Hold on a second. Oh, the lieutenant went gave it to the captain. Here's your letter back. Goes and gets the captain.

I think it was like the assistant warden of the warden or whatever. Oh, my goodness. Warden comes out, walks over. Let me see the paper. I understand. Are you a sovereign citizen? I am a sovereign citizen. That's a trap right there.

That's a trap. It was a woman, the warden. And I wasn't there for this. I was actually at the medium at this time. And she was like, all right, I understand. Go ahead and handcuff him, grab his bags, and straight to the shoe. That's right. That left, that right.

That's an escape charge. They charged him with an escape charge. Oh, my gosh. he crossed that line. Yeah, which he didn't get recharged. Like, they just gave him, like, they took away like 54 days. Oh, they gave him a 100 serious shots. Right.

But it raised his custody level. So he goes to the medium. Listen, if you think, if you look at me and you think, this is not somebody who should be in a medium, I am 10 times more prepared or than this guy was. Correct. This is a 50, late, guy in his late 50s, early 60s, probably six foot tall. thin, flamboyantly gay guy who was just unprepared for the medium. Oh, yeah. That's, you're in high school.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're high school. He gets out and he just, they can't do that. He spent a good two weeks telling everybody how they couldn't do it. And these guys are like, man, they got like half these guys, not half, but 20% of these guys have, if they don't have a life sentence, they got 45 people. 45 years, thank you. Yeah. And they just,

and the average sentence over there, I think, was if you remove the guys with the 45 years, it's like 15 or 20 years the average sentence. So he's walking, you know. He walked with five years on his bill.

You had your little five year sentence. Thank you. Sit out. What are you doing? You were probably a year or two if we were getting out. You know, Zach knows this guy. Because I remember he was in Zach's unit,

my buddy, Zach. And in the medium, they have the two-tier system. Correct. Correct, correct. The showers were on the first tier. So you could be up on the, the walkway and you basically can look straight in to the showers, right? Correct.

That's a medium. He would go and he would stand there. Oh, my God. And look. And, oh, he had, he, yeah, yeah. He'd been to get stuck. He's, I don't know. It was, it was odd, you know.

That's high school over there. They will stick you. But, but he, yeah, so, I mean, the sovereign citizen guys, you kind of feel like they're, like they're, they're harmless, but they get them. into a lot of trouble. Yeah, but they did because when they come to get them, hey, or they call them to the front, hey, report to the lieutenant's office or reports to the campus, or reports to the campus, you already know.

I know when I hear them call, I'm like, okay, because I remember the paperwork they filed, and I told them not to. And the next thing I know, I see them come up with the handcuffs, going to that corner pocket. Okay. Then I see them go out with them green duffel bags to get their stuff, and I'm just like, put the handcuffs on the whole time. You can't do this. The statute such and the universal code says it.

You see C. And I'm like, stop it. They picked Chris up for that. And when they picked him up, we just came back from walking the track. And we came back and I saw the SIS lieutenant in our room. You're like, I was like, what's that SIS doing in there?

Because Chris don't pay attention. Yeah. You know, me, I'm like, what is they doing in my room? So we stood there at the end of the walkway looking at them. So the SIS lieutenant come down. He looks at me. I don't want you heirs. Marrero come with me.

I said, damn, it's time for a change. Okay. Get on down there. Tell me what they're doing. I'm like, okay. But you take any crap, Chris. You tell him about your straw man. What I do him?

I say, stand on them principles, Chris. You are a sovereign citizen. And the lieutenant looked over his shoulder and looking at me. Don't wind him off. Cut it out. And I can see Chris down there. I mean, I see it vividly as we're speaking. He's down there arguing with them.

Oh, God. He's like, I am a sovereign citizen. This is sovereign stuff. This is citizen. I know what I'm doing. I'm doing this. The UCC test I can do that. Next thing I know, I see him come out the room with the lieutenant and the other SIS lieutenant

and handcuffs. They come down. They see me. We'll be back to get this stuff. I said, all right. So when I go down there, I knew what they were looking for. Right. So I got it all, boxed it up for him, and I put my legal work on it and stuff underneath my bunk so he wouldn't mess with it.

So when they came back, I gave him the trash of the stuff that I knew he didn't want, which was some sovereign stuff. And I gave that to him. They left. And I still had his stuff. Right. Even when he got moved, I still had it. And even when I got released to go home, I took it and put it in my storage unit. Right.

Okay. And when I told him I had it, because he was whining, they took my thumb and stuff. that doing trans, blah, blah, I said, Chris. I said, that's a book. And I told him the name of the book. He was like, yeah. He said, that's mine. I said, I have all your stuff.

I have everything in the box for you. I have three boxes for you, Chris, of your stuff that they didn't take. You're like, I want it, I want it. I said, well, first of all, you don't have anywhere to store it right now. I say, so when you get your place, I'll use Greyhound to send it down there, you can get it, I told it. Yeah, he's. And a year and a half later, I sent it to him.

Oh, he was happy. Ooh, he was happy. Yeah, he loves his stuff. He would get out, you know, we would wind him up, you know, walk in there. I told him my, his cell. He was actually, this guy was his celly at one point. And he would walk in and he would say, he'd go, come on, let's go talk to Chris. And I'm like, okay, okay.

We walk in and talk to Chris and say, Chris, what's going on? And Boziac would go, Chris, man, I was in the break yard. And there were like three planes. It was like over 10 minutes. three planes came over, they all had those, those white trails behind them. And you know what that is. Oh my God. And he'd start going on about how they're poisoning us and they're this. And then he started talking about FEMA camps. They're going to house us all in camps and how they're trying to reduce the population to a manageable 300 million because that's all the, all that the, that the planet

can actually sustain. And we're draining the planet of its resources. And we're just sitting there and I'm like, why don't, well, if they're, okay, well, if they're poisoning us and they're reducing, then why are they housing us in FEMA things? Why would you play on his mind? Oh, I, I, because it was so much fun. And then you could just, in the middle of the whole thing, you'd say, what do you think about Christianity? Well, let me tell you about it. And then he'll tell you how Christianity worked into the whole system and how really, I was like, well, why would, why would humans want to kill humans? It has nothing to do with that.

It's the aliens that are running the whole thing. You don't understand what happened. In 1947, and you're like, oh, my God. You got him started. If you go, 1947, you got him started. It was great. It was, like, you know, you have, you know this, but in prison, you're, you know, you're, like, you're starred for, you know, for stimulus, right?

Because you have no stimulus. Like, you know. I didn't need Chris stimulus. I could, my mind was already. He was, he was just pure entertainment. He was. And then, you know, if you say anything, you say, what about, what's up a Bigfoot? And he would go, and he would just rabbing right back up and he'll go into it in depth.

And then he'd go, I have a book, and he'd grab a book. And we'd be like, I'd be like, Chris, this is fiction. You know this is, this is not, he's going to look, and he'd flip it over. And it would say, like, nonfiction. Correct. Or it'd say history or it'd say. Documentary or something. And you'd go, you'd be like, this is printed off Amazon.

You can put anything you want. Correct. No, no, no, no, but it says, it's, stop it. Chris, this is written by some crack pot. And you're following that lead. You'll become a crackpot, I would tell it. He's so much fun, though. Oh, yes, he is.

Yes, he is. I love. He made me laugh. He kept me in stitches. If somebody says, like, if somebody says his name, I immediately, joy, immediately comes to me. You know, like, I've never had, had, good experiences, but there have been a couple bad experience. Correct. I've never had a bad experience.

Not with Chris. No. No. No, I've always laugh. It's always fun. It's always, you know, let me tell you about this. Yeah. You know, this is what's going on.

The earth is really not. But one thing that stuck out, and this is what stuck out in my mind, when he started talking about hollow Earth. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, hollow Earth. And the moon. And the moon's hollow Earth, by the way.

And, you know, and so when I went to go see Godzilla and King Kong, and they talked about hollow Earth, I'm like, I'm like, they've been reading, they've been having the Chris. I'm like. What did he say one time? Oh, my goodness. He had one thing where he was telling me about the, I don't know, they dropped something on the moon and it echoed.

It was like, boom. He's like, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, Chris, listen, man. It's hollow. No. No, Chris, they left a size, an earthquake detector on the moon. So they could detect meteorites when it strikes the moon, you know. And I would tell him that.

He'd like, no, no, no, no. The moon is hollow. No, because this guy wrote a book. The guy wrote a book. There's always somebody wrote a book. And so I would tell him Chris. One time I just said, look, stop, stop. Okay, my brain cannot handle too much more than I told him.

It's no good. I've decided, I figured that out a long time ago. After a year of these arguments, I was like, what am I doing? He wants to believe this. He's going to believe it. He's not going to be persuaded by logic. It's too much fun. And a lot of these guys, you know, they're desperate to be

in the know. Like they know something that you don't know and it makes them feel important. And I don't mean in a bad way because Chris doesn't have a mean bone in his body. No, no, no. He's good nature. Yeah, it's not like he's starved for wanting, like wanting power over you or manipulation. But it makes him feel good to be able to be in the know about what's really happening. A conversation that he understand. Yes, and you don't. And he wants to help you. Correct. When we started doing law work, he would be like, that's not going to work what you're doing. I said, Chris, this is going, this is to get his ticket ticket. No, do you need a UCC? I said, no. I said, no. I said, no. I said, we're not going to do that with this paper, Chris. I would tell him, this guy has a ticket in Tennessee

and it's going to come off because I've done it's a correct way. I told him. He's like, well, if you do the UCC form and then that ticket can go, I say, Chris, he's going to go to jail. They're going to come get him from Tennessee and charge him and bring him back. And then I said, no. That's why when we did legal work, I always overlooked his stuff because I say, look, you can't do that. Right. You can't do that because number one, I fear for his safety in now. Right. And then number two, you don't want to, you don't want to mess up somebody's legal paperwork, Chris. No. Okay. It's even though we're at the low, you're going to get. People get upset. People get upset. upset.

Some people get upset in different ways. I get upset if through a harsh tongue lashing. Correct. Most prisoners get upset with a shank. A shank. Or they catch you at the showers. They catch you at the child hall, and they go to work on you.

You know? And so I told them, I said, look, I want to go home. Okay. I said, I'm going to do this paperwork correctly for this ticket. I'm not going to use no sovereign stuff. I said, you keep that over there. But if you're doing somebody with legal work,

let me. see it, Chris, because I value your friendship, I also value your life. Right. Well, I know what I'm doing. You know, they just need to do that. No, it's irrelevant. And I'm going to tell Chris, say, Chris, first of all, let me tell you something. You're not in your stable

environment. All right. These guys here don't have a GED. Yeah. And all they know. It's not because they it's not because they haven't given the opportunity. Correct. It's because they can't get one. They can't get one. They don't want one. When you're working with an 80-85 IQ, you know, your go-to move is violence. Right, because I was teaching GED.

I taught, listen, I taught the SLD class for GED, where they had gone, if you went, did like 300 hours or something, and you simply could not get your GED? Correct. I taught the class that this, the next class that they put in, and you had to do so many hours, like 50 or 100 hours of that class, and you got a waiver. So we were teaching guys how to count change, follow, directions. Oh yeah, very basic. Just because I did have to start at the basic level. I had to start at multiplication. Multification. Work them up and then with English, I had to work down the adjective,

the noun, the pronoun, the verb, let them know what it is before I start teaching them to read correctly. And so in the social studies, social studies was just like, wow. But my entire time there, I got, I think 16 people got the- their GED while I was there. Okay. And so I was happy. Yeah. I was happy not only at the camp, but at the low, I happened to get their GED because I told them,

you're going to need it when you walk out that door. Yeah. Don't think you can go out there and get it. No, you got too many other pressures. No, you can't get it here. This is the easiest environment to get it in. To get it in. Yeah.

And when they got it, I was overjoyed because we gave them a graduation ceremony, everything. And I was happy for them. I said, hey, you know, now you go out there, you go to vocational, you go to technical. You go to college. You have a foundation now. I had a guy, they used to put, so if somebody failed the GED, they failed the writing portion, right? Like the essay part, that's the essay part.

They would put them in a room with me and I would go over, you know, the five paragraphs. You know, the introduction. Yeah, I'd go over it and I had them write them over it, and I explain it to them. We talk about it. Correct. So I'd work with them for, you know, a month or so, and then they'd take it again. I remember this one guy, his name was Palmer. His name was Palmer.

Is it George? is George Palmer? I want to say it was George because he had, just like, you know, you know that, oh gosh, George Foreman, you know how he's got like several, all of his kids are George, something George, like George's first, second, third,

and he's got like Georgina. George, yeah. This guy had done something very similar with George. So it was all, yeah. He had like four or five kids. But listen, he was so, he was just a really funny guy. nice guy.

And so I worked with him for a few weeks. And even the teachers were like, I don't understand. He's failed it like twice. It doesn't make sense. But even though they fell it, math and the English part are the two hardest. Yeah. Two hardest.

So what I would do like you, I would do it on the board. Yeah. Say, you're going to do the essay. Do the essay first. As soon as you go into it, do the essay first and get done with it. Because they have five parts. Okay. I would tell them like this here.

Think of five different. things you want to talk about. And that's what I would work with them on. I would do five different versions of the essays with them. And I say, now, when you're going to the GED, take one of these in your mind in there and do it. Right. They passed. Mass?

The only thing I had trouble with them on some of them were the, once you started doing the quadratic equation and the Pythagorean theorem. Yeah, yeah. You know, that's when I knew, okay, this ain't, okay, let me just keep you on. If you can get this, you can get your math, okay? Yeah, and they did it. Well, the guy, George, I worked with him for several, several weeks, and he went and took the test, and he passed the test, you know. And then he was so excited. Yeah, they are.

Colby's heard this story. He was so excited. And then, like, about two, three weeks later, it might have been a month later, I don't know, it was a short time later. One of the, I was walking one day, and one of the guys in his unit walked by and said, oh, man, did you hear about George? No, he said, yeah, he had a heart attack last night. He was sitting in front of the TV and just went, boom, and just fell over dead. Nicest guy. But he got his GED.

He got his GED. And I just remember thinking, fuck, what a waste of fucking time, man, man. No, it wasn't a waste of time. It wasn't. It wasn't a waste of time because not only did you help him, he accomplished that one goal. Yeah. To him, he was happy. Once he got that GED, it's astonishing how the whole outlook changed when they get that GED.

Yeah. I don't remember any of the other guys. Like, I probably helped whatever, another five or six or seven. But I remember, I remember because he died. Well, I also remember because he was such a nice guy. And I remember he had all these kids and he was getting out in a few years. And he did. He had like a 15 years.

But he'd done like, he'd done like 10. He's getting out in a couple years. Like it, you know, and just had the best attitude. Some of these guys are just, they're just grumpy dicks. You know, just shirt. Real jerks. They just. Yeah, they talk crazy.

But you know what? I got told them. Like I told them. I got my education. Okay? I have high school diploma. Okay? A GE means you're good enough diploma.

I mean that's what you're getting, okay? Because you don't want to try. But I encourage them, though. Yeah, I was going to say, listen, the difference is that at least if you get out and you have it, you can go on to get, you know, you can go on to some kind of an apprenticeship. You can go on to get some kind of vocation, vocational. Yeah, vocational, technical. Or even if it's just a license, like in Florida, they license you for anything.

Like, like, do they? Oh, yeah, you, like, if you go to California, like, here, you can go get a license to be a broker, a license to do, to do all kinds of stuff. You just, you take a test and you pay and your license. Like in California, it's like, oh, you have to have three years of this. You have to take this test. You have to, it's like, it's, to start a business in California, it's more difficult than here. And I was like, look, you're going back to Florida, bro. Like, you can get, you could be a real estate agent, even though you have a felony.

You could, like, you can, you know, but I was like, so if you at least get your GED, because if you don't, now you got real problems. Correct. Because then you got to get out and now that the world is changing. Yeah. You know, and one of the things I told them when I was in prison was, you came in 2015. Mm-hmm. A lot changes. It's not going to be 2015 when you come out.

Mm-hmm. It's going to be 2021 or 23, and you're still going to have the 2015 mindset. I'd never seen an iPhone. I got locked up. I had the razor. I had the cool razor that, you know, texting had just come out. I've been texting about about a year. I'd never been on Facebook. I had never been on YouTube. So when I got out 13 years later, oh, that was new to you. It was, it was magic. People are doing people are printing stuff like, oh yeah, yeah, here, hold on. I print. It's over there and I'm like, no, no, I need you to help print. I need you to print this and they're like no no I printed it is on the printer in the next room it's over

there correct no no bro quit fucking around bro I was like I need you to print this and they'd be like I printed it I'm like you're standing here in front of me how would you possibly have printed it you're standing in front of me and they're like oh bro it's the wife I'm hooked to the what the Wi-Fi and I'm like and I heard the term Wi-Fi so I knew it was a thing I never understood what it was yet that's how that's how bad I walk over it was it was printed What's happening? Tell me what happened. You're behind. They were like, you got to catch up, man. We got from problems.

Let me tell you what I did with the cell phone at the camp. Right. I'm smarter than what people think. I connected it to the printing system. Right. So whenever I'm researching, I would send it to the printer through the email system. Oh, okay. Okay.

So if I go look on the, on the server, on the, you know, how they give you, you're going to pull up your account, look at your emails, right? Yeah. I would see it in there, okay? So I would print it and guys would be like, why did you get this in here? Right. I said, well, that's what you asked for, wouldn't it? Also give me my commissary. So I had where, if I researched something, because I had an android.

Yeah. And I had two androids in there, okay? So let's say you need something. You know, Avery, I need you to, I need this. I looked up, Avery, because you would come to me on your phone and show it to me. I said, let me email it. Let me email it to myself. I say, you'll get it tomorrow.

And you'll be looking at me like, how is you going to get, it's on the phone, but how are you going to print this exact? So all I would do would cut and paste. Yeah. Stick it into the BOP system and send it to the printer. Yeah, because the printer's connected directly. to the core links and you could really only print core link stuff right yeah that's why I was able to do that right um I'm going to detail yeah you have to go you have to figure out

how to get around it and I figured out how to get around it well so what did you do when you got out what's mean when you got out of prison I went to work I went to um what did I do I came home and home I started working at the VA oh okay so I went I went I went worked at the just to keep off my back. Right. And I enjoyed it. Trust me, I love helping my veterans because I'm an honorable discharge vet. I did, what, almost eight years, seven and a half years in the Air Force.

So I worked in the laundry, you know, at the VA hospital in Houston, which I loved. I met some beautiful people. And majority of them are felons like me. And so I did that for almost two, maybe three years. And then I had just completed my associate degree as a paralegal. So I went to work for a beautiful law firm, beautiful people. Okay. You know, and I still work for him to this day.

Okay. And my one boss, right now he lives in Mexico. So I do everything. I make sure clients are taken care of, answer the phones, return phone calls, emails, show up at court, you know. So you work remotely? Yeah, I work from home. Okay. Yes.

I'm sorry. Yes, I work from home. and but I still, if the other lawyers need something, I'll go work with them. You know, they pay me well, so I have no complaints. And I love what I do. Matter of fact, I love the legal side. You know, right now, I'm running for office. Right.

You know, and. That's where I was getting at. I was trying to get you to get to that. I'm running for office in Texas 38th District. Yeah, I'm a Republican. and my legal background has really helped me understand more so about how the federal and state operate and what's expected of you as a congressman.

And I'm very personable so they can relate to me. And this is my second time running for that district 30. I ran as a right in. So this time there are 16 people on the ballot. You have one green, one independent. You have three Democrats. One Democrats I ran against last year, we battled out for second and third. I have 10, no, 11, I believe 11 Republicans.

Who's the incumbent now? Wesley Hunt is the incumbent, so I'm running to replace Wesley. Is he a Republican? He's a Republican. He's a veteran. Is he retiring? No, no. He's running for the U.S. Senate.

Okay. Oh, okay. So he's kind of switching. He did switch out. He made his announcement on October 6th, 2025. There's a vacant seat. It's a vacant seat. Everybody came to it.

Yeah, yeah. And when we had our candid forum a couple weeks ago, I'm looking at the people up there with me. I'm like, y'all got money. Y'all have a million-dollar homes. Right. But you're running for this seat. And you really, one of the things that I touched on was affordability.

And I told everybody, I said, nothing else matters if you can't keep a roof of your head, buy food, pay your bills, take care of your kids, which is harder and harder. Which is getting harder and harder. Nothing matters. Venezuela don't matter, okay? Iran don't matter, okay? The deficit don't matter.

None of that matters if you can't eat. And they, and they, the majority of them took it to heart. Because I'm explaining that. that the system got broken when you let a lot of people in. Right. Okay? That's what caused everything to go up because you had more of a demand on supply than we did before. So when I broke it down like that for them, they understood it.

The other ones, the other candidates, they were just talking from a high-minded point of view. Right. And my philosophy as a candidate is to talk to you. Right. you know as well if they have it i'm sorry if they have money then you know it's uh i forget what the the the social economic kind of the pyramid is where you're at the bottom they're upper upper middle yeah so they're upper middle class so you get to that point where you have money you're secure and then you start worrying about kind of legacy right you know as you get

closer to top you you start worrying about legacy so they're probably running more in concern with They want to leave a legacy that I was a senator. Or I'm a congressman. Or a congressman. Sorry, congressman. I was a, yeah. So that's not, you're not really, then you may not be running for the right reason. If you're not, if you're only about legacy, if that's why you're running.

And they might have good intention. I don't know. But the thing is, they're raising money. They're outraising me eight to one. Right. But then I went to another candidate, a huge candidate forum that the Republican women of Katie threw. And out of the district 30th, I was the only one there. And I'm like, where are the rest of these people at?

They're raising money. Okay? They don't have the heart of the district. I grew up out there. Right. When I say I grew up out there, I grew up at the back end of Jersey Village. Okay, I grew up when Hempstead Highway was the only way to get to a Prairie View in Austin. Okay.

I grew up when you could walk to school through a cowfield, okay? if you choose to. Because the school, Jersey Village, was there. Okay? He had a nice little suburb, but you could have a cow pastor on the backside of it. Okay? It was a different time, but to watch it all grow up,

even when I went to the military, when I came home, it's changed, but I've seen it changed. I mean, you could see wolves, you could see hawks, hawkins, I mean, flying, and some deer, you know? And so when I hear the way they, talk. They're talking above the people. They're not talking to the people. So when I speak,

I'm speaking from a point of, I'm in your shoes. I've been where you've been. Okay. I was young. Now I'm up in age. So if you're on my age group, you're worried about your medicine, you're worried about food, you're worried about rent, worry about if you're taking care of your grandkids or you're just trying to survive because that's basically all they want to hear and I gave it to them and then on other points one of the questions they asked was what was the the national deficit and one of the candidates like oh it's like 300,000 I looked at him and I was like 300,000 I said you crazy in my mind I'm thinking that so then the question came to me and I stood up up, said my name, Avery Ares.

I said, do you want the own book or you want the off book? The moderator was surprised that I knew that because he looked at me. He was like, give me both. And I gave him both, you know, the on book. $300 trillion? No. What? The own book is $36 trillion.

$36 trillion? The off book is $38 trillion. Okay. So you have two different books, okay? But the audience was surprised. And I'm running, the reason why I'm running is because not only is America precious, but if we don't straighten up and look around and see what's going on and fix it quickly, we're about to lose this precious jewel we call America.

We're about to lose it. We got too much going on. We got too much infighting. we got too many obstacles that are coming at us, and President Trump is doing a good job. He's doing an outstanding job. I like him. And I'm a friend believer as a Christian.

God puts people in places for a purpose. If you won't wake up, he'll help wake you up. And so my campaign is grassroots. So it's chugging along. You know, I have a $3 donation. You know, hey, you know, send me a $3 donation if you choose to. I'm not trying to get rich. Yeah.

Okay? I want to help the people. And one of the things as a, one of the degrees I didn't tell you about, I have, I am an AI certified consultant. And when I spoke to the people about setting up AI hubs slash academies, that got their attention because that's where we're going. Amazon just laid off some people. UPS, I think, laid off 30,000.

We're coming to a point in our existence of either we're going to create better and new jobs for civilization or are we going to give it all to the robots. Right. Okay. And go with the universal basic income that they talked about back in 2014, 2015, 2016. Right. Okay. Or you just let the entire nation starve to death.

Correct. What's the alternative is you have to give some kind of universal income for people to at least. Provide. And even then, it's not going to be great. It's not going to be what they expect it to be. And to me, I'm old-fashioned. The world owes you a living, but you've got to go out there and get it. Yeah.

Well, I've had this talk before where it's like, even if you give people universal income, you, people will lose their purpose. And if you don't have a purpose, then you have to expect mass slides. Of course. You know what I'm saying? Of course. People might, you know, if you don't, people might not think that far into it. Oh, no, it'd be great.

It'd be, no, no, it'd be great for a little bit. It's like winning the lottery. Like, yeah, it's great. You can, and these are people that have means at this point. They can travel for a few months. And then it becomes its own kind of prison. And what am I really doing with my life? I prefer if they did give out universal basic income give it to the seniors right I would

give it to my seniors if you're 65 old you get it but they're gonna have to give it to everybody because you can't just let a population starve to ask you're right you're right but what I would do with the new population is re-educate them this is the new this is the new economy we have so we need to start thinking AI did not come here to diminish your mental capacity it came here to upgrade your mental capacity there's a good chance. Then that sounds good, but let's face it. You've seen idiocry.

Of course I have. Of course I have. We're practically living that now. Well, you have three, we've allowed three and a half generations of American, you know, to grow up with options. I didn't have no options. My parents ran the household and the school district and the community. Okay. Nowadays, the kids are running themselves.

And these cell phones, you know, we've raised a population on cell phones. That's why when you take it away from them, they cannot function. And we're coming to a point in our existence, not only just in America, but around the world, where we're going to have to either make some real wrong folks decisions or the lights are going to get turned out. Mm-hmm. You know, it's funny. I was at, I went to dinner last night with a buddy, and there was a little kid with his iPad,

plugged in to his headphones. His head phone. That's right. And he's sitting there playing on the, and they were trying to talk to him, and he would listen to him, and he'd say something, and then he'd keep going and keep it.

But there was like six people at the time. You know, they're just asking, like, hey do you want you know whatever dinner whatever and my buddy goes hey kids he's just he's not paying attention to what's going on and i said no i said it's it's it's stimulus 100% all the time and i yeah and he he he said why do they do that why are they why would you let that happen i said because for right now they get to eat in peace i said but when he's 15 16 17 18 i said he's going handle y'all i said he'll make their life or living hell and they'll wonder, how did he get this way?

Well, because don't be your, I don't have kids. I'm an uncle, all right? But my nieces and nephews understand, when Uncle Aver say something, don't give him to mean it. I'm not your friends. I'm not your equal. Secondly, when we go out to eat,

yeah, they have their phone, but I interact with them. Talk to me, tell me what's going on. Are you great? What's going on in school? And so, they'll stop and talk to me, you know, and so this is what I'm doing, that's what I'm doing, and so forth.

But at that age, them tablets and if, no, because I can have a conversation with my great grandmother at 10. My grandparents, I can have a conversation with them, okay? I could give them their medication at 11. Right. On time the way it's supposed to be given. Okay. We are raising a generation that cannot function without something electronic in front of them.

I turn my phone off. My phone goes off at 7 p.m. Because that's my time. And I'll get clients calling and go straight to the voice message. Tomorrow morning, I might have 10 or 15 voice messages from clients. Well, I try to reach you at 2 o'clock the morning and went to your voice. Okay. You left a voice message with a phone number, right?

Right. All right. So I'll call you back. You have to have some downtime for your body to regenerate and relax. Right. Okay, if you're going, like that young man, going, going, going, going, you're right. When he gets to be 15 through 17, oh, he's going to handle his parents. He'll handle him.

I see kids every day. And then when they get in the courtroom, oh, it's a whole different ballgame. Those judges got, they have no patience for your silliness at all. They sure don't. They sure don't. In the juvenile, we had a case where we had a juvenile. And, you know, he'd come in. You know, my boss would tell him, hey, say, yes, ma'am.

Yes, ma'am, no ma'am. Right. He did the complete opposite. Yeah, huh, what? And the judge was like, okay, you can go back in there. We'll deal with your case in three weeks. Well, the parents are sitting back there. Well, well, we, we thought he was going to get, no.

No. And the judge would get it. You could have come in and been respectful. You could wear a decent outfit, be respectful of, me, say yes or no, sir. Oh, you need to go down to you. If you go to the courtroom and watch how they come in their dress, you would be amazed. It's like, I'm a paralegal. I come in there with a suit and tie on. My boss coming in with a suit and tile. They come in there? It's like, they just got out of bed.

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and you're in there, and he or she doesn't do something. Okay? Mm-hmm. And you're up there begging the judge not to give them X amount of months or years. And I'm saying in the back of my mind, give them 20, please give them 20, so they'll grow up, you know. But because I get parents that call. me him. This is what my son did to me. What you mean? He, he beat you up. I'm like, but

you're the parent. You're my age group and he's 18, 19. Well, Avery, I can't handle him. When I told you to handle him, when he was 10 and 11, you didn't. Call the police. That's what I told him. Call the police. And in part, prosecute. And I told him, call the police. But then the police are going to come and then he's going to, I say, my, my, now I'm to, I'm to the point now at my age where you have two options. Okay? Either you can call the police on them or they're going to kill you. Which one is easier for you?

And then I hang up the phone on them. Yeah, pick them up. They throw them in there. Gives you a chance to pack up all their shit, stick it in a storage unit, bring it to their fathers or one of their friends. And that's it. They can't come back home. He can't.

Here's what gets. They'll call me. I got parents calling me when their kids get rid of, when they're, but some of the dogs are coming out of TDCJ, which is Texas Department of Correctional Justice. You know, Avery, should I let them come to the house? I get real quiet. I get real quiet.

I'm saying, okay, this is what they did to you before. That's why they went. Now they're strong, but they didn't work out. They ain't gotten rest, you know, okay? And you wouldn't put money on the books. Okay? So now they're going to come to your house. They're going to put a hole in your wall.

they're going to come in all hours of the day and you got to go to work they're going to bring people in your house where you're at work. I say, you have to I don't mean no harm, but let's be clear. That's a cause of effect.

If they come back to that house, something to happen. And some parents will listen to me, others will not. One parent got a black eye. You know, hey, but you don't want to listen. So, your cause is the effect upon your face.

And so I just say, okay, no problem. But I see things as a paralegal, and I hear things, and I'm sure as a congressman, I'm going to see a lot more. This is just a tip of the iceberg, you know. But I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to using my experiences, you know, my education to do what I can for my district. You know, I'm, like I say, I'm a vet.

I come from a long line of them. My uncle was in Vietnam. My other uncle was in Korea. My grandfather was in World War II. So. When is the, when's the election? Oh, in Texas, February 17th through the 27th is early voting. And that's what I recommend the people, go early vote.

And March 3rd is the primary election day. Right. That's the final day for the primary elect so we can see who will move on to the runoffs or outright take it. My goal right now, I'm getting ready to do a Zoom conference call with everybody with everybody in 38 that want to talk to me, find out what my issues are, where I want to take the district. How can I vote for you? How can I donate to you? Hey, you guys. I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor. If you want to connect with Avery, go into the description. box, we are going to leave his websites. So you can click on those. And they also have his social media links on the website. So go there, click on there. It tells you all about his platform.

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