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I was like Big Meester Charlotte. You could stay in your house and don't go nowhere and make millions of dollars doing fraud. No matter what you put on the check, they were going to grant you the money and put it in an account. They knew that I stole $7 to $10 million.

There ain't no time. I can do this again. Growing up, I watched my mom really, like, struggle to, like, keep us, you know, in the nice clothes and stuff because we wanted nice things as kids and I always told myself, man, when I grew up, I'm gonna go get some money.

I'm gonna take care of my family. Because my dad, you know, not to talk bad about him, but he wasn't really around him like that. So like, I believe it was around the age of 12, I want to say, well, I committed my first real crime, if that makes any sense.

What was it? So basically, I went to school with this guy. So we was rappers, we was trying to rap and stuff. You know, we was a little kid. So it was this guy, his dad used to like, worked for Master P. So, like, he had all this studio equipment and stuff, like, and we used to go to his house and recording everything.

But Rewind back, he called me one day. He was like, man, you want to go shopping? I'm like, hell, yeah, I want to go shopping. So, like, he's, like, this white kid, and then he's coming to the projects to hang with me, but everybody, like, liked him because I introduced him to all my friends. Like, he was a rapper. Like, he was just cooler than everybody for real.

Right. So I'm like, hell, yeah, I want to go shopping. He's, like, I'm going to catch a cab over there. I got you. So he caught a cab They was living like on Lake Wiley Or something like that He caught a cab all the way to the west side of Charlotte

So when he got there and everything He was like just come outside He called me Well he didn't call me because he went cell phones then I think he came and knocked on the door I believe And he had like money And his pocket was like come on man We're going to go to the mall

Which mall you want to go to first I'm like shit let's go to Freedom Mall So Freedom Mall is like We used to walk to Freedom Mall You know as kids So it's kind of like 10 minutes from where I lived at So we catch the cab to freedom mall. So he got so much money on him that he's basically telling the cab, just wait, I don't

care. You can let it run. We just going to go in here and get some shoes and stuff that I want you to take us to another mall. So when we get out of the cab, I'm like, man, what's up, man? Would you? Like, what does money come from? He was like, man. He didn't, he wouldn't tell me exactly where it came from. He was like, man, you know, my mom, you know, my mom, and they got money, man. They just give me money all the time, man. I'm just coming to show love, you know? No. And I'm thinking, but I'm 12. So it's like, I don't really like, I don't really care for real. But I'm really fascinated.

I'm like, damn. So I'm like, man, give me some of it. You know, like, let me. So he gives me like maybe like $2,000. Oh, we're not talking about a few hundred bucks. I thought he had 500 bucks or something. No, he had maybe like $8,000, $9,000. Holy shit.

So he gave me $2,000 for my pocket, so I'm happy now. So, like, we're going in there. I'm getting Jordans. You know, I bought my sister a pair of shoes. Like, we're getting everybody stuff. You know what I'm saying? Like, I get everybody that. that's in my house something.

I even get my mom something. So we come back, we get in the cab. The cab driver waits, and we go to Eastland Mall. So, like, this is a bigger mall. So what we did was the cab ended up dropping us off, and then we ended up catching the bus back to my house. So, like, when we catch the bus back to my house, he hung out for a little bit, and he was like,

I got to go ahead and get back home. So he catches a cab. He calls the cab, because back there, you know, it was 3, 3, 3, 3, 3. You know what I'm saying? and he calls the cab and he goes back home. So, like, I'm enjoying myself. I got my clothes.

I got them laid out on the bed. I'm like, damn, this is like, it's a blessing. So my mom come home. You know, my mom, my mom was a hustler, but she was a working woman. She never really did no criminal stuff. Right. You know what I'm saying?

My mom wouldn't no criminal, but she was a hustle. Like, she played cards and stuff like that, you know. But she came home and she said, damn, when you get all this stuff from you got everybody, something like, yeah. I said my friend, John. I mean, you know, his name was John.

Yeah. I mean, this is 20, this is 30 years ago. Yeah, I mean, yeah. And we was 12. Yes, actually, it was 30 years ago. So she was like, dang, she said, that's a good friend. He got, I was like, yeah, I got everybody. And I got cash.

And I gave my mom like $500 of the cash. She was so happy. So fast forward, the next day comes. And I'm gone. Like, I'm down in my grandma's neighborhood. So my grandma lived, like, right around the corner. So I'm down there in the hood. I'm planning stuff.

So while I'm gone, the, like, chief of police or something came to my house and knocked on the door with other cops too. Like it was like, it's not good. So come to find out. So my sister answers the door. They come in and they tell her like, hey, we come

into retrieve items that was purchased with stolen money. So basically they explained to my sister that was like, you know, it was his granddad's. He went inside his granddad safe. he had the code.

Somehow he had the cold, man, and he had to stole the money. And they found out about it, I guess, because when he came in with all this different stuff, it was suspicious. And then they noticed that the money was missing. So this is what I did find out later. He had already been stealing, like, small amounts of money

before he even brought this to my, you know what I'm saying, to me. So basically, anyway, she gave them back everything but the stuff I bought her. So my mom got off work, man. was so mad at my sister, man. She, man, she said, why would you even open my door? You know, in the hood, like, your mom, I would tell you, don't open the door for nobody. Like, I don't care who it is.

If you don't recognize that, if it ain't me or a family member, don't open my door. So my mom was more mad about her opening up the door than giving the stuff back. And she said, then you had the nerve. He thought about you and got you stuff. And you sat here and gave them all his shit. I didn't understand it because my mom came and picked me up. And she was fussing and cussing and stuff. And she was like, yeah, baby.

But I still had the mom. money. They never got the money back, the rest of the money. So I was like, I ain't really care. It was right before schools for the start back. It was over the summer. Like, I ain't care. And, you know, that was really like, so me and him, when he came back to school that following year, I was like, man, why you do that? Like, why you ain't tell me, man? I would have told you a better way of, you know, being able to hide it. Like, you could have left your stuff in my house. They would have never knew. He was like, man, it's all good, man. You know, back then you wouldn't really mad at your friends because, hell, I still kept the money.

And he was like, man, I'm going to make it up to you. But me and him, we ended up being roommates once I graduated. High school, he ended up dropping out. But I graduated and me and him was roommates for like a year because they was rich, man. Like, they really did have money. So his parents gave him a crib on the lake. So like, man, we was. That's a good roommate.

Hell yeah. And then, but look, so his stepdad was like, look, y'all just got to pay me $200 a month apiece. I'm just trying to teach y'all to be responsible. But, man, around that time, man, I was like in the streets. man I was selling drugs man I was doing a lot you know so like $200 I'm like I'm definitely do that back then I'm driving the Cadillac I got candy paint on my car like I'm really kind of more advanced than the average 18 year old you know what I'm saying so fast forward man so I ended up moving out and then that's when my whole career of being a criminal really

started but I was a I was an after school teacher first Yeah, I was after, so my aunt was a coordinator with the school system. So like, once I had moved out or whatever, I'm like, I need to get me a job. I need to get me a job. So you're living on a place on the lake. Yeah. And your aunt gets you a job as like an after school teacher. Before school and after school teacher.

Okay, so you're not teaching curriculum. You don't have like a teaching jury, but you just need to kind of watch the kids. Yeah, so first, okay. I'm assuming. Yeah, so first, I was the before school teacher. It's like all the people that got to go to work in the morning, they drop their kids off of it, like, early in the morning because they got to get to work.

So it's like a before school program. So we'll basically, like, give them, like, breakfast and stuff and, you know, just watch over them and stuff like that. It ain't really, it's like two hours. Yeah, yeah. But then I would come back after school and work another four hours. So, like, from 2.30 to, like, six or something like that. So, but after we would play, like, dodgeball and, like, stuff like that.

We have karaoke, like, all types. You know, but we was in the classroom, but I was an assistant, so I would work with an associate. But all the kids gravitated to me because I was so young. You know what I'm saying? So they was like, they was like more comfortable because they're like, he's not old like all these old ladies, but I was the only man there. So it was kind of weird because like the kids looked at me like I was like, he's like a little

bit older than us because these kids are like maybe like 9, 10. And I'm 18. So it's like they could, they would listen to me more. Like I'd be like, y'all need to calm down. They were like, okay, he's not playing. today. But like the old lady in that, you're like, y'all, be quiet and I'll calm. I'm like, no, let me do this. Everybody calm down in here.

There's some bass in my voice. Right. But they respected me because they grew, because I was like, when I do the talent shows and stuff, like, I get in there and sing and rap and stuff. They liked it that. They like, hey, he's cool. Then I had this bright orange Cadillac. So everybody, when they would leave, they're like, they'd go, Mr. Harris. He's riding out. I got the

bright Cadillac with the Vogue's on it. Like, they like, he got a shiny car. You know, so make a long story short. around Christmas time, I want to say in 2002, maybe, I had my job. So we was out on Christmas break or whatever. And I'm hanging out in the hood with one of my cousins. And he's like, man, we need to, we need to try to make. I need to make some money, man.

I need to do something. I'm like, man, what you want to do? So I'm always open-minded to something. You know, when you're in the hood, like, you always up. Like, I'm like, what you want to do? He's like, man, let's just ride out. I got a plan. There's a reason you never wire cash to a Nigerian prince.

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so we leave Charlotte, and we ended up in, we ended up in, like, Monroe, North Carolina, like, Union County. So, like, when we get to Union County, we stop. So we stop at this Burger King, so I'm like, I'm going to give me some breakfast or whatever. So I don't know what's on his mind. He ain't really saying much, but he's like,

we just got to ride out. I got something for us. So when I go in a Burger King, this dude, he goes to the gas station next door. So, like, I'm in the order of my food. So he goes this way, I go that way. So we parked at the Burger King, so he cut over the grass or whatever and went to the store.

So when he gets in the store, I'm in Burger King. I'm walking back to the car. He's jogging back. So I'm already, I'm basically getting in the car, but when I look up, he's jogging back to the car. So he got a jacket on, but he got something tucked in his jacket. So he gets in the car. He's like, pull off, pull off.

So I'm like, pull off. So I pull off, you know, obedient, because it's like my cousin, like, it got to be something he just didn't. You know something's up. Right. So I'm being a. I'm being a real family member cousin, you know, slash.

I'm like, okay, I pull off. We get to the end of the parking line. He pulled a purse out. He went and snatched a purse or do he steal? I'm like, how you get that? He said, man, I took it. I say, you took it. So we ride, so we're riding.

So now, because, you know, back then, it went to GPS. We had, like, it was MapQuest or something, but we didn't even know what we was at. You know what I'm saying? Like, we was, I didn't know this was the plan for real. Yeah. Like, literally, like, I really didn't know, like, because he was like he got some girls down there too

so he was like we're gonna hollet them but I got something for us so anyway we pull off so I'm going the direction I don't even know why I'm going so he's looking through the purse he's looking for cash but ain't no cash in it like it's just a whole bunch of bullshit but then he like looks and like it's like a little zipper on the side of it and it's like maybe like $500 or something

$500 dollars or something $500 he like it's $500 he'd give me $200 like I'm gonna keep three since I did it and he just he slung the purse out He slung it out. So I'm like, we need to get back to Charlotte, man. Like, it's crazy because we way out here in the middle of nowhere.

I don't even know what we're going. So I'm like, damn, we gets lost. So we've been riding for like 20 minutes. I'm like, man, I'm like, bro, we're going into another state probably. I don't know where we're going. He was like, just turning around. So when we turns around, man, we're so young and dumb, we end up coming past the same gas station where he snatched his lady's purse at.

So when we passing the gas station, man, it's like, like 10, 15 sheriff cars out there, Union County. There's that orange car. The orange car. The orange car, the lady is pointing like, that's the car. She's like, she's going on. She's like, that's the car. So I'm seeing like some of the sheriff.

They run into their cars. So like, it's like three cars in front of me to get on the interstate. So like, I go around. I see them running to their cars. He's like, man, go around. I go around all these cars and cut in front of them. Man, listen, we get on the highway, right? I'm going so fast.

in the car like the car is lifting up. We're in the 88 Fleetwood. So the car, it's like, you know, after you do, back in the day, those old school cars, like after you're doing 85 right, it started blinking. Like it had an electrical, you know, but it just started blinking,

but I ended up knowing I was doing 115 because they clocked me when they were chasing me, but I lost them because I'm like, I got, I can't go to jail. Like I'm working for the school system for crying out loud. Like, I can't go to jail. You know what I'm saying? So then I ain't do nothing.

I'm like, man. For $200? For $200? Fuck, that was $40 in gas. Because I got money because you got to think I'm doing my little side hustles and stuff. I'm doing little stuff. And then I got a job that pays me money. So I ain't as desperate as him.

You got to stop hanging out with your cousin, bro. Oh, yeah. He's just bad news. Yeah. So, like, he turned his whole life around after that. But to make a long story short, I lose them. So I got it. So I get off on the exit.

I'm like, I could go left or I can go right. I'm like, damn. I want to go right. but I'm like, if I go right, it's going to take me further away. I got to go left. They don't radio, like, Matthews Police or something like that. So they, you know, the radio's going to out chase anything. So, man, it's like I was riding for maybe like five or six minutes.

When I turned left, man, it's a roadblock. It's so many cops and they got it blocked off. Like, I would have to really literally bust through the cars to get past them. And as I'm approaching it, he's scared. He doesn't call his grandma. he didn't like, grandma, me and Phil, we fin to go to jail. Like, he's paying. I'm like, man, get off the phone with her.

I'm trying to figure it out. But I'm like, it's really over. But in my mind, I'm like, I didn't do anything for real. That's all I'm thinking. Like, you did it. But they ain't going to be able to identify me anyway. So when we get to, so. You still got to go to jail.

I'm going to jail. I'm going to jail. But this is the first time that I'm really going to jail for anything. Give me his $200 back. Here's your $200 back, by the way. I don't want to make caught with the $200. You know what's crazy? They didn't get the purse.

So anyway. Yeah, they don't have the purse. I kept the $200 and he kept the $300. They never took the money. Okay. They never took nothing from us on week. So the close I got, I just slowed down, man. And I stopped, put the car in park, man.

They yanked us out of the car. So they kept us on the scene right there at the roadblock and brought the lady. So when the lady comes, she identified. That's him. So they brought me. They brought her to the police car where I was in, and she was like, do you,

they was like, do you know him? He was like, no, I don't know who that is. So they was going to let me go. So one of the sheriffs, he was like, well, you know,

we'll just get him for fleeing and loon. We'll write him a ticket, let him go and we'll lock him up. And then one dude, like, no, we're going to get him for accessory after the fact, common law robbery. So we're going to lock both of them up.

So they locked me up. I got more charges than him. So he got the common law robbery for just snatching the purse. I got accessory to after the fact of common law robbery and fleeting to allude, all kind of traffic citation, like, crazy shit. So I got, like, dang.

So I ended up getting out of jail. My mom came and got me. I get to jail. I called my mom. She's like, what, what's going on? She's like, y'all, we're on the news. My grandma was still living. They seemed in the news.

It was so embarrassing, man. My mom them came and got me. And, man, the very next day, my aunt called me. she was like, they fired you. Like, you fired, like, you terminated. She was like, you know, they seen you on the news. The principal seen you on the news.

And they want to get the full story. They was like, they're going to suspend you, but you're going to get two more, you'll be paid for the next two pay periods and then it's over with. Right. So you get severance. But they suspended me, but they end up just firing me, you know.

Because I'm like, but I'm trying to explain to everybody like, I didn't do anything. I didn't do nothing. But at the same token, like, once they took me to jail, like, it was pretty much over. Like, I'm like, so I get out of jail, so he's still in jail. So nobody comes to get him until like a week later. So I'm out, and I'm just really mad because, you know, we go to jail.

I'm so mad, man. I don't want to talk to nobody at that. Like, I don't want to talk to no detectives because they put you in these rooms and stuff. And like, oh, I'm like, man, I don't know. I'm like, man, I'm like, he said, why did you run? I say, man, because I don't know. I kind of panic, man, because y'all was pointing at my car. I'm like, I ain't know what to do.

I'm like, I ain't doing that wrong, man. I wouldn't have got me a sandwich this morning, you know? So he was like, your buddy, he didn't know as my cousin. He said, your buddy didn't tell us everything. He told us that you guys were out looking for a lick because you guys was wanting to get Christmas gifts. I say, man, I got a job. Why did I say that?

They found out why I worked it. That's how it all came because they dubbed it like on the news. They was like, after school teacher arrested for purse snatching, common law robbery, man. It was so embarrassing, man. The whole neighborhood. Everybody seen me. So, like, I had to, oh, not the mention, I had to get my car to impound because they

in pounded my car, so that was more money he had to get, you spent. So he gets out of jail, right? They got to start paying these teachers more. Yeah. We're going to start snatching purses. That's right. But if I knew he was going to snatch a purse, I'm like, man, we ain't fin to do that. Right.

Like, we could go do something else that's more easy. I'll break in, like, back then I'm like, I'll go breaking the car. Yeah. And try my look. I ain't snatching no purse, though. So, make a long story short. gets out of jail. So by this time,

I know that he sat in there and lied and put me in it and told and did all this. How do you know the detective wasn't bullshit in you? Just young,

I'm just believing him. Oh, you know what I'm saying? Like, I believe what he's saying because I'm like, why would he lie to me? And to be honest with you,

it was somewhat true because that's kind of what he was saying. Like, man, I got to get my girl's on for Christmas. So it kind of made sense. So he wouldn't lie. You know, they played that role.

They'll tell you with your friends, then told him. You know what I mean? But I still didn't fold on him. So when he gets out of jail, I had done told the whole hood what he had done done. I'm like, man, yeah, he'd get in there and blame me, man. I end up going to jail. So, like, everybody knows now. So it's like a high school football game going on, like, this Friday he gets out.

So, like, I'm leaving the high school football game, and I'm, like, right by my neighborhood. And I see this car, I see this car pull up beside me or whatever. and like it's these dudes in the car and they're trying to get me like to roll the window down but I got like Miratine on my car at the time so I rolled a window down and he's hanging out the window like Tupac

oh you remember when you know the movie two part the movies when they did about Tupac where he was hanging out when he was on the West Coast and he was with Shug and him and he was hanged that's how he was he was hanging out the window like he was like yeah he like yeah pull over like pull over I'm fin to get on your you know what I'm going to

on. Like, we're in a box type. You know what I mean? So I'm like, you know, I'm like, pull over. You got your partners with you. Like, I'm like, dang, I ain't never seen this version of you. Yeah. Like, you my real cousin, though. So I'm like, damn, like, so at the time I had like a little 25, a little small little 25. I never even shot it before. I had just bought it maybe off the streets, maybe like two months prior. So it was like on the floorboard of my car. I'm like, pull over. Okay, hold on one second. So the window's still down. I reached down and got it. And man, listen, you already know the rest. What?

Man, I ain't. But see, I wanted to scare him. I'm like, you're my cousin. So I ain't want to, like, I ain't want to kill them a man. You know what I'm saying? So they cars kind of like, so we had the traffic. So they're a little bit further up than me. So, man, I just reached out the passing side one and I just started shooting.

But I was shooting in the air. I was shooting like up. Right. So, like, they pulled off damn their wreck, ran through, like, they just got up out of there. So me, I panic because I'm like, damn, it just happened. Some wild stuff just happened. So what I did was I made a right, and it was this club called 8 tracks back in the day. So I made a right and got to the end the street.

The club is like at the top of the hill. I hurry up and get out my car because I'm like, they know what kind of car I'm in. This is at the third. They call the police. I get out my car and running the club. And back then, like, I wouldn't know drink or nothing. But as soon as I go in the club, I go straight to the bar, give me, I want to say, say it wasn't Hennessy.

It was like Paul Monson and said, I was on the cheap drinks like $6 or something and threw it back. And then I bumped into two of my partners from the hood. And I'm like, yeah, man, I just bumped in the denium, man. I don't have had to shoot at them dudes, man. He's like, for real.

He's like, come on, let's go find him. I'm like, man. I just got away from him. Yeah, but I'm like, because I'm telling the story. I'm like, he's hanging out the window. Like, I'm like, he really wanted smoke and he's the one that told on me. Right.

You know what I'm saying? But he can't say that. Right. He got to say you're running around, run your mouth. You're doing that. Yeah, he ran. But I didn't look at him like he was like a rat in that. But I'm like, you got in there and got scared because we was kids for real.

But like, you literally did rat because you was like, we did this, we did that. Like you cooperated. Yeah, you didn't have to throw me in it. You didn't have to say nothing. You should have just bonded out like I did and just kept it pushing. Right. You know what I'm saying? So.

Well, if he wants to tell it, you want to tell yourself to try or something, okay, fine. But you didn't have to throw me in it because you didn't do anything. Right. Like you could have just said, because. Because just, you know, I got him to drive me up here. He didn't really know. Yeah, because I picked him up in my car, like everything like then, man. It was just, I lost too much, man.

Like, so I gets home. I had this phone. It was like, it was called an audio box phone. It was like around the time when Cricket came out. So like my phone ring, it's like 2.30 in the morning. It's his grandma. She was like, she, I didn't answer, but she left a voicemail. You know, back then you were leaving voicemails.

She was like, feel I don't know what's going on. Did you just say you shot at him and his friends. Y'all, like, I don't know. This is crazy. Like, what's going on? Like, so I never even called her back. So now you don't told your grandma I shot at you. You were just hanging out the window like Tupac.

You know what I'm saying? You was still like two hours ago. Now your grandma's calling me and talking about you don't tell her like, like, dang, bro, you like, when does it end? You already don't talk to the detectments. Now you don't told your grandma that I shot at y'all. And that's just crazy, man. So, like, everything kind of died down.

So I ended up. So that case was pending. So, like, while that case pending, I lost my job. So I'm like, nah, I got to do something to make some money. Like, I ain't got no legit income coming in. So I started selling powder, and I was already selling, well, actually, I was selling anything that I can get my hands on. But at the time, that's the first thing that I was able to get my hands on.

And then, you know, you know, the rest, like, I graduated to the hard stuff. Yeah, so basically I was selling rocks at the car wash on Freedom Drive. So the car watch back then, everybody, my generation of people, we were going to, we watched our cars every day. We praised the best thing that we had, and that was our cars. So all the junkies would be at the car wash. So my brother, he taught me how to sell drugs in that magnitude. He's like, man, you got to buy this, and then you chop it down to this, and you're going to make this, and you invest in this. And I just, for a long time, I was just sitting in the ride with him watching him do it.

But he was making so much money. Like, my brother, when we was young, he had more than everybody because he took chances, man. He was, he was, why. Now he's, he drives trucks like he's laid back. He'll probably never go to jail for nothing. But he was a hustler. But back then, he was just, he was a maniac, man. Like, when I tell you, this man was just crazy, the things that he were doing, I'm like, man, you crazy.

Ain't no way you just did that. Like he would just do stuff just I just don't know I didn't get it Like I remember my granddad had passed We went this off subject Now I'm gonna go back to the I mean to the rock

Yeah so my granddad had passed We went to the club And this dude had like spoke to his girl And he knew her And my brother got mad He threw his drink away Went outside man And I was waiting on the dude

So the club closed He sat outside As soon as everybody came outside My brother just started shooting Like on some ill stuff You know what I'm saying So I'm like, when we leave and I'm like, bro, why do that? He's like, man, that man, disrespect to me.

That's when I knew. I said, well, this dude crazy for real. But yeah, so anyway, back to the story. So we had the carwife, so I'm saying my brother make all this money. I'm like, I got to get in. So one of my partners that I was kicking and went in high school, I knew that he had access to like what I needed. So I hollered at him, man. I went over his house, man, and he sold me my first package.

And, man, I ain't looked back after that. Like I started sitting up there all day long, man, until I was finished. Then I'd go get some more. Then I started meeting other players that was in the game. So now I'm playing with like a 0 or 2. You know what I'm saying? And this is really big for the era that I'm in. We're talking about 2001, 2, you know what I'm saying?

2002, 2003 like around that era, like to have a couple ounces is like big because you know what you can make off. You know the cost of living was way cheaper then. Like you got three, four, thousand in your pocket, you're the man. Yeah, that's a lot of money. You know what I'm saying? So like, so fast forward, man.

So I'm doing my thing. So I don't, I want to get my car painted. So like I told you, it was orange first. So I'm like, I want to do something real, like, real nice. But I wanted to be like a more darker type color. So my uncle had this guy that painted cars. So this guy, he paint cars. He had to like the paint, you know, like the,

the shed thing in his crib. He lived in Matthews or whatever. So he was like, yeah, go out there to my buddy. He's going to get you right. I already told him, you know, his number. I'll call him. He's going to get you what you won't. You know, he's going to let it.

So I get to his house. He got all these different colors. Like how you want to do it? I'm like, I picked this purple. It's like a purpleish blue kind of paint. It flipped. It changed colors. I'm like, I'm on that.

He's like, yeah, I can put that together. We can work something out. So my uncle, like, now this aside, though, my uncle telling me before I even did with him, He said, now, I know you're doing your thing or whatever. He said, man, don't do no transaction with him. He messed up. Like, he is some trouble.

And I'm telling you now, he cooperated. So don't do no business with him as far as that go. Just pay him, you know, pay him straight up, man. So, like, I'm young. So, like, I hear it, but it goes in one or one or go out to other. And so the dude telling me, he's like, man, you know, we can work something out or whatever. But what you, I want to charge you $2,500 because this is a special paint job. But, you know, we can work something out.

you can get me have drugs, you know, have money, and I'm going to get you right. So I give them maybe like, I give him maybe like a half, a half ounce, maybe. And maybe like $600 to get started. Right. And then I'm like, I'm going to just pay you on the back end whenever it's finished.

So, man, it took him about a week or whatever, man. The car get finished. He called me, come out and see it, man. I get out there. I'm in love with this car. I had just bought me some Vogue. I had the Lorenzo's. on there. This car looked

that's so beautiful, man. He hadn't put my emblems and stuff back on, but it was just, the way he had them prepped everything, I'm like, it's going to look good. So he's like, yeah, I'm just going to polish these up. It's going to like a brand new car. So he was like, I want you to meet somebody that I my buddy. He's like, I want you to meet my buddy.

He parties sometimes. He'd be needs some stuff too. I let him try some of that stuff you gave me. And I want you to meet him. He's good people. I'm like, man, he good for real. He's like, yeah, man, it's my buddy, man. You're good. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think He is good. No, he's the worst. I don't even think.

They knew each other that long. I remember it was yesterday. His name was Detective Grimsley. I bet he didn't, I bet he didn't introduce himself as Detective Grimsley. No, heck no. I forgot what he said. He said his name.

Probably Todd or something. Oh, man. I normally remember names, but this was in 2000 and... Let's go with Todd. We'll go with Todd. What Todd said? What Todd say? Brian.

Brian. Yeah, Brian. Because I was called him. So like, okay, so he set up the first deal. So he was like, this when the car was finished, he said, you pay me and then my buddy want to get, he wanted to holler at you or whatever. So he pulls up.

So my car, so we meets at like a Home Depot on Independence Boulevard, like in Matthews. So we pull up at the Home Depot. He got my car. Man, it's beautiful. So like when I pull up, his homeboy is in a, what a dude is in a Jeep, like a green, like a pathfinder or something.

So I'll pay him or whatever we get. So he's like, man, go hollat my buddy. So I get in. I'm like, what's going on? He's real nervous. He's shaking for real. Like, I guess because he didn't never, he didn't know what I looked like. And I was looking like a thug.

And I had, I had long hair. You know, I had gold teeth. You know, I looked at like a little criminal. You know what I'm saying? So like, when he was kind of nervous when I got in the car because I don't know if he's like, well, he got a gun. He was a cop for real. He was a narc.

So it's got to be concerned. So he's like, yeah, man, I party. He said, man, you know, Richard, he's my friend. You know, like, he told me a lot about, a lot of good things about you. I was like, yeah, what's you trying to do, though? He's like, man, you think you can sell me seven grams? You know, cops, like, back then didn't really know the lingo. Yeah.

I'm believing. So, like, but it went over my head. Because, you know, like, in the hood, you know, like, you won't seven grams. You're like, man, let me get a quake. You know what I'm saying? That's a quarter ounce. That's lingo. You know what I caught on from dealing with him, so I ended up selling him that.

that was, so the car was like wired up. So they had pictures of me inside the car and everything, but I ain't even looking for this type stuff, you know, because I'm a kid for real. So I sold him that. So as I met him again on the same, on Independence again, but this time it was at the McDonald's. But at this particular moment, he was trying to graduate.

He was like, man, I need like, he like, I need like an ounce and a half. So I'm like, I'm like, let me, let me call you back. So I'm in the hood. So one of my partners, he like, I got that. I serve him. You know what I'm saying? I let you make something off of it. So I called him back and drew the numbers up.

I'm like, yeah, it's going to, well, I had to hunt it down, because I'm sold out. I can't really accommodate you right now, but my partner got it, but he won't this number right here. You know what I'm saying? So he was like, yeah, he's like, man, that's cool. He's like, man, that's really a deal because my last, the last dude I was dealing with, he was charging me way more.

So that's good. But I'm like. the guy I got this Jeep, the guy we got this Jeep off of, the last drug dealer we were dealt with, we got to pull this Jeep off of. He was charged more than that. And I don't really care because that's in my budget. Right.

It was even crazier. We'll pay double. Right, we'll pay double. But I'm not, I'm so green because, like, if I would have knew any better, I'm like, nobody's paying this for that. Your uncle told you. My uncle told my stupid tale to not deal with him on none of this.

Here it is. I'm dealing with him and everybody around. But you know what made me feel comfortable. about it. When I went to go look at the car, he had another buddy over there. I sold him like a gram. Right. And he actually hit it right. And like he broke it now, put it in his little pipe and there. He hit it right in front of me. I'm like, these ain't no, these ain't police man. Yeah, yeah. But his friend was really a crackhead, you know? Yeah. So it seems reasonable. And once you made, you made one cell, they didn't arrest you. Right. Right. So you're like, I'm good. And so a week later,

you're like, I would have been arrested by now. I'm like, they would have busted me on the first transaction. Here it is. I'd have met him two times. So. No. The third times, you know what happens on the third transaction. They're trying to hit that mandatory minimum. Yes. But it's so crazy because this is what I found out later from looking in the motion of discovery. But they didn't, they had, if had I not met him that third time, they didn't know who I was.

Like they didn't, because I didn't have like, they was trying to figure out who I was. I don't, it's something happened to where they didn't know exactly who I was. And if I just would have stopped dealing with him. I probably would never got arrested. Right. As weird as it sounds, I don't know how that happened because I'm like, they had my car. Oh, I didn't have no tag on my car.

So they couldn't run the tag number. And every time I met him, I was meeting him in, like, other cars. Like, this chick I was dealing with, she had like a little tempo. I would be taking her car because it's inconspicuous. It's like I can pull up,

and he don't even know. And then when you're selling drugs and stuff, you always want to be in something different, just in case you're getting set up. And you can peep the scene out when you pull up. So, like, at the end of the day, So the second time I met him I come in

the drugs, it was still wet because he wanted to be cooked up. So it was still kind of wet a little bit because we was rushing trying to make the plate. But I ended up making like a $600 profit off of it. Back then, that was a lot of money. You know, like $600. I'm like, I'm all for that.

So my homeboy, he's so greedy. He rides in his car and follows me so he can get his money right away. Because even though I'm making money off of it, He done whipped it up so good to the point where, like, it ain't even really nothing. I mean, it's real, but it's so it's whipped. So whip is like cut. It's cut with a bunch of watered down.

All kind of just bake and stuff, you know, just all kind of BS for real. But it's going to test real, you know, once they get to it anyway. But anyway, so we made the transaction. He nervous again. I'm like, man, why you be shaking and stuff? You're making me nervous. he said, man, it's just a disorder I got, man. He's like, man, he said, it's been like that for years.

I'm like, he's like, all right, come here. Like, man, let's get out of here, though, because, you know. But whole time, it's surveillance, man, they got, so I'm looking at motion. I see all this later, but it's so many different surveillance is on me. So if I was to do anything stupid or anything go left, they was going to just swarm in and get me then.

But everything went smooth. So this is another thing I found out in the motion. The detective that I was serving. whoever he was, the NARC, he was like, on the west side of Charlotte, he worked that side. So he said, in the motion,

he was like, one day, I seen Mr. Harris pass me in the car on Brookside Boulevard, and I thought he'd seen me. Because, you know, when people see cops and people pulled over, they look. Right. It's natural.

We, you know, like, we nosey. You know, you're from the hood. You want to see what's going on. Man, who that is, got pulled over. But I didn't see him. But he said he's seen me. Like he, he, like, wrote so many, documented so much stuff that had happened.

You know, back then, they got to be detailed about everything. So the third time, so for like a week go past. So I'm like, man, they're in the police. He's good. Because, like, I had that feeling. I'm like, dang, I was thinking this to myself. I didn't tell nobody. So my big brother and his homeboy, they had came up.

So these, back in the day, they was professional robbers too. They used to rob people. You know what I'm saying? Way back in the day. So they hit a lick and they came up, him and his partner. And they pulled up on me. So they got all this money, man. They got all this drug.

So I'm like, boy, this is heaven right here. So my brother, like, boy, I'm going to put you. I got something for you. So my brother, we then went to this hotel and we got us a couple rooms or whatever. We keep a room. We had a room. We would keep all our money and all our, like, possessions and all the good stuff. And then we would trap out the other room.

You know what I'm saying? So, like, my brother had maybe like a key. like a key and a half maybe, like, but he would take like maybe like nine ounces and we would break all that down and we just stay at the hotel and just sell 20s and like small amounts of Graham here. You know what I'm saying? Like small amounts, but we made so much money, man. We would grind all day and then that night. We would just go to the club and ball out. You know what I'm saying?

We were young. You know, back then you like, we wouldn't buy it. Was it sections? It probably was sections back then. But like we was, it was different back then. I don't even, matter of fact, I don't even think it was, at the close, we was going to a window section. We were going to little hood spots.

But we'll come in there and line them up. Like, let's get 30 shots of this, buying out of women's drink. It's like, hood superstars, like, man, they got money. They got jury. They got nice cars. Like, I'm loving this lifestyle. Right. So about two weeks later, the dude hits me back.

I ain't heard from him. And I'm like, man, where you been at, man? He's like, man, he like, just, man, doing this construction and stuff, man. I've been on the road, man. I'm back, though. He said, man, I need to get something big from you, though. He said, me and my homeboys, we're going to go in on it. I said, yeah, I got you what you need.

Because at this time, I want to, I got access to this type of work now. Because like I said, my brother in them, they did a hell of a, you know what I'm saying, and I can probably get it from him. And I could probably take a small amount and get it whipped up. And then I can serve one up. But, man, he gets on that man. He's like, yeah, I need about, I need probably like a half a break. So while he's telling me this, I'm in the car with my brother and his homeboy.

So his homeboy had just left the dealership. He had the, I think that's when Cadillac came out with the STS, the ones that look like spacious with the hell of the lights at the back and all that. So we're sitting in the car. So like, I'm looking at his car, like, boy, got to get me one of these. I got an upgrade because I'm in the 88 Fleetwood. You know, he knew school on me. He, like, we like in a year 2003.

So he in like a 2001 or two or something like that Nice. I'm like, boy, I got to upgrade. I'm in the 88. Even though it's tricked out, I'm like, I got to get me something new. So they listening to me talked to him on the speakerphone. So his homeboy, he like, police, the police man. He's like, man, I'm telling him. So I'm like, I say, man, I say, hold on.

Let me call you right back. So I hang up. He said, man, you meet him, you going to jail. You know, these real street dudes, like, I'm a peewee for real to them. Yeah. Because they've been in the streets, like way long. to me. So he's like, man, you're going to meet him. You're going to jail. He said, man, I said, what's the last thing you saw him? I said, man, I sold him an ounce and a hat. He said, man, he wanted to have a

brother. He's going to rob you. He's the police. I said, I ain't worried about him. You know, I'm thinking I'm tough anyway. But he's like, man, that's the police. I'm telling him. So, I'm like, y'all don't care. So y'all don't care of. Like, y'all don't care of. Like, y'all came up for real. Like, I need to get my lick because I can finesse and get this money for this half of birds. I'm going to be up like y'all. Go get me one of these. You know what I'm saying? So like, he's like, man, I'm telling you, man,

my brother like, man, yeah, that's the, he's sounding like the police. My brother, he really, like, he agreeing with his homeboy, he's like, man, I wouldn't have served him nothing. I would have robbed him off the top. You know, my brother, he's crazy. Remember, I'm saying, yeah, so I get out

the car with them, so I'm sitting in the car and debate, and I'm like, dang, but I got like, I got like a little bit of dope on me, but it's like, I don't have enough. But I went, I'm like, I ain't going to, I'm really, so much stuff going through my mind. I'm like, should I finesse them? I'm trying to, I don't call it around.

I'm like, man, I need something. I'm trying to get them something fake. I don't know what I want to do. But I want the money. I'm thirsty for the money. I never forget it. It was May 1st, 2003. I go to the hood.

So rest and peace to my cousin, Denky. We all sitting in my grandma's driveway and he calls back. He's like, man, what are going to do? I say, man, I can't do that. He said, man, what can you get, though? Because we need some stuff. We got this.

We're trying to make some moves. We got this part. party coming up and we're going to need. I say, man, I might can do four and a half, man, and Big 8. You know what I'm saying? He was like, um, how much you're going to charge me for something like that, man?

I say, hold on, let me call you back. Because I got a C with my, because I ain't going to sell them nothing I got. Because I already kind of like got most of my stuff kind of broke down in Grams, um, half-faced eight balls tights. So my cousin, he like, I said, I'll go whip something up right quick. I say, what's you want off of it? He said, he said, shit, give me, um, you give me 28. you can charge him like 36.

So I'm like, sheh, you're 20. Like 800. I'm like, yeah, I can do that. That sounds good. $800? Back then, I'm like, that's a lick. So I'm like, yeah, I can do that, man. This is going to be 365. I'm like, yeah, I need 36. 50. He's like, come on, man, you can't do it for 36.

Right then that was a red flag. You're going back and forth with $50? Yeah. Because I'm like, I'm like, man, I'm saying, man, you know, I'm really trying to finesse him. So I'm like, I got to have my jail. I'm going to get him $50 for cooking it up, man. You be wanting this stuff cooked up, man.

That's, dude, that's where the 50 coming. I got to give him that. You know what I'm saying? I ain't really making no money off of you. You know what I'm saying? So he's like, okay, man, I do it. He said, he said, oh, he's like, but come on, man, you got to hurry up. I need, what time he's going to meet?

I'm like, well, give me like 30 minutes and then I'm going to meet you at the Texaco on Wilkinson. You know what I'm saying? He's like, all right, cool. So I call him back when I'm leaving the neighborhood. I'm like, look, man, I'm about to head up there. I'm like, how long is it going to take you? He's like, oh, I'll be there.

They already there. He's like, I'll be there in about 15 minutes. So I go to my aunt house. She lives like, okay, so it's a car wash behind the gas station and there's some apartments behind the car wash. She lived right there. So I go over there and hang out for a few minutes or whatever. So he calls back.

He's like, yeah, man, I'll be there three minutes. So I pulls up about five minutes later So I'm at the gas pump But he's thinking that I'm in my car I'm in this little 1994 tempo He don't know the car man So by this time I got the junkie that I told you

That I was gonna have cook up the work He's with me So I give him So my cousin give me his 40 cow He's like man And he put him in the car with He like man nut Anything go bad

shoot, period. Like, that's just what's going on. He's like, anything go bad. Because they're thinking robbery. They ain't thinking police. Right. He like, anything go bad in that shoe. So we pull up.

So he got the 40 on his waistband. So we get out the, so no, okay, we're sitting at the gas to pump. I'm calling them. I'm calling him. He's not answering. But he's there. He's on the side of the store.

So he finally calls back. I'm like, man, where you at? Man, you got me out here with all this stuff, man. He said, man, I've been here. I said, man, I meant calling. He said, man, I was on silent. I didn't see it. He said, yeah, I'm right here on the side.

He said, man, what you are? I'm right here at the gas pump in this white tempo. I'm saying, I'm getting out now. So when I get out, nut get out. So he's standing in front of the Texaco like this. So he got the gun on his waistband, but he's standing out there like a bodyguard. He's all but 5, 8, 120 pounds. He's a junkie for real.

But he got that big 40 on him. And he will shoot. So I gets in the car. I mean, I guess in the truck. So he's real nervous now. He got this big triple beam scale right here. So he's like, come on, man. Let's just get this over with, man.

I'm like, man, you're the one taking all day. Like, so I go, I had on some sweatpants. I go on sweatpants. I pull out. It's all in the bag. I put it on there. So for some strange reason, he had it to where his scale, he rigged the scale to where it's going to be off.

But I know this is all the drugs, man. I'm like, I know this is we waited two, three times. Like, I know it's official. outside of the bag wearing the gram and all that i'm like i know he's like man it's off i'm like man look don't worry about that i got you on the next go around i'm gonna give you three four extra grams like it's cool it's like a gram and a half some stupid like a gram off or something too man i don't know but the way he but he did something to the scale man it was like off a little bit so i'm like man what the money like come on man he go to what the money he's like all right man he's like chill man

so he's sitting right here so he's like hold on man chill so he'd do something like this i guess that's the signal and man let's look at Listen, boy, they come from everywhere. They're coming from, so it's two inches on the Wilkinson Boulevard side. So they're coming in that way, that way. So when I see them coming in, so it's another unmarked car coming in, I see the lights on the dash. Like, I'm like, oh, it's a setup. So I try to grab the dope, and he put his hand on top of my hand.

So when he put his hand on top of my hand, the bag kind of like busts open because I squeeze the dope. And he's trying to pull out my hand. So by this, I'm trying to get out the car too. He's trying to grab me and everything. But I gets out the car, but the bag is open. So I runs behind the car wash. So, you know, like the gas station got, like, the car wash you just drive through. But then behind that is a real car watch where you can self-serve yourself.

Right. So as I'm, when I'm running, I'm panicking. I'm trying to drop the dope in the little things right there. Like, you know, where the water go down at in the car wash. But it gets stuck. But I got to keep going. So I keep going, man. When I bend that corner, man, and get to that, so we don't actually road now, it gets to the car watch right there.

Man, they're coming out of, man, they're coming out of everywhere. They got, I don't even, I ain't really, I ain't really big on guns. I don't know a lot about machine guns and stuff. But I know, man, these, man, these cops, man, it was like 30 of them. They had the whole perimeter of, like, it was no way I could get away. But I'd never forget it was just one cop or swat, whoever they was. Because they had on, like, tactical gear type shit, you know. So I'm like, he like, get on the fucking cry before I blow your fucking head off.

You know what I'm saying? I'm like, I could see the look in his eyes, man. He would have killed me, man. And I just stopped running. I just, and then. What about the kid that had the gun? Oh. Oh, my bad.

I forgot that part. Now, this is the funny part. So as I'm getting out of the Jeep, it's a big, it's a big, like a big, a big old, like police officer. I mean, like a detective, whoever he was, a cop. a cop pick him up and slams him like I see

I just see Nutt go way up in the air he like picked Nutt up off his like he came from the side and ran he like grabbed him and picked him up

and slammed him when he slammed him the gun flew out I seen that in the motion but I seen Nutt in the air I didn't see the gun fly but I seen it in the motion there was like the

gun came out of the waistband of you know of Nutt you know what his real night but yeah so Nutt

ended up going to jail I go to jail. They give me a $1.2 million bond. So I got all these trafficking charges. Like trafficking by transport, trafficking by, it's all kind of, it's just a long list, man. So I got like 10 charges. So man, I get down there.

So my cousin who dope it was, I get to jail. That's the first person I called because I'm young in the game. I'm so stupid. I'm not calling him on, like I'm not calling him like for him to come get me. I'm really trying to call him explaining him what happened. But he's so, they already know. They already know because guess what?

We was taking so long, right, that they didn't have drove to, because he knew who was going, they came down there. So he ended up getting out the car. Somebody took him, like, close by. And he's seen, he kind of seen what was going on. He seen the setup. He ran all the way back to the hood. So he already knew.

So by the time I get to jail that night, I'm calling him. He's going straight to voicemail. All I hear is dipset. You know, back then you put. You put in, like, rap songs and stuff on your voicemail. Like, all I kept hearing was, you know, when you're on the jail phone, you hear the first, like, somebody either pick up or, like, all I kept hearing was that dip set song.

He got, he is going straight to voice mail. I'm like, damn, he ain't picking up. I called my mom. She's like, what, in the world? You got yourself into. My mom told me, it's crazy, though. That's why I tell my sons, now, I'm like, you know, listen to your parents.

They know more than you. That morning, my mom had told me, she said, what's in the dark going to come to light. She said, whatever you're doing, you need to calm now. You're doing too much. And I'm thinking, like, I ain't thinking my mom hating on me. I'm like, mind, you don't know what's going on. This is the streets.

Like, I'm really, like, my mom don't know half the stuff I was into back then. But she's like, whatever you into, I'm telling you, because she knew I hadn't lost the job and all that stuff that's not happening. So she's like, whatever you into, what's in the dark going to come to light? She always hit me with, like, to this day. She always gave me, like, certain sayings, like, my mom got real, like, a lot of good wisdom. Like, that's my best friend. So my mom said, what?

and I'm explaining to her, but in a nutshell, I really can't talk too much because, you know, the calls be recorded, but I'm still downstairs, and I'm like, damn, you know, I'm like, man, we got set up. Me and Nut. So, Nut, we're in the hole instead. He's shaking his head. He's like, man.

He's like, damn, nephew, man. I'm like, man, I ain't know. I'm like, I had already been serving them. So we get, so basically we dress out because, I mean, you know, I can't, I ain't got no money at the time. Like not no money to bond, not on a million dollar bond. So they sent nut to a different part. They sent me to a different part.

So like I got a bond hearing. So they give me a public defender or whatever. I got a bond hearing. And like two months maybe. It was like, yeah, it was like two months. So I got to sit. So I'm sitting. So as I'm sitting, my mom like, yeah, everybody like, man, you know,

we're going to come to court. this, that, and the third. It was like, man, a million dollar bond, you're a kid. Like, you've been in trap. They set you up. They should have locked you up the first time. Like, I'm telling, now I'm telling the story. Like, I'm like, man, this, I'm like, he should have just locked me up when I served

him the first time. You know what I'm saying? Then my uncle and my mama said, yeah, your uncle told you not to serve him and not to mess with him and you ain't listening. Your head hard as a brick. You know, I'm saying, yeah, my, you was right. I say, I'll say, my uncle was like, yeah, man, you know, I told you was the police. he served, you know, he had to serve the FBI

a quarter of a kilo and sold him some machine guns, all the type of stuff. He ain't, he ain't, he didn't tell me that part, though. He's trying to work it off. He was just trying to, because he was like, this is my buddy. He ain't going to set me up. Like, you know, he paid houses for me and stuff. You know what I'm saying? Like, he do a lot, and he do all my cars and stuff too. Like, I, like, my uncle, he's a legit dude.

So he's like, I ain't going to go to jail. I don't sell drugs. But he knew what I was into. You know what I'm saying? He also had a gun. Right. He's going to be there for conspiracy or protection. or protecting whatever. What do they charge him with? Okay, so they charged Nutt with conspiracy to traffic

and then they charged him with the gun. He was a convicted felon. But guess what? I didn't get charged with the gun. Had I got charged with the gun, I don't have fed. Yeah, no, you didn't have the gun. You could have gotten constructive possession,

but they already got you hands down in. They got him on 10 trafficking charges. Like, we, we, but I'm like, how is it 10 trafficking charge? I only traffic twice. Because the ounce and a half, anything over 28 grams of trafficking. And then obviously the dope that I got caught with.

But anyway, I'm sitting in jail or whatever. And the bail hearing comes. So they ended up dropping the bond to $73,000. But I still couldn't get out because that's still like $7,300. And back then, like, ain't nobody had no money to get me out back then. And not just that. Even if you could scrape together the money, that money's gone. That money is not like, hey, can you put up $7,000?

You'll get it back when he goes to court later. And then I had, you know, back then I was, I was fooling. So, like, I had all the money that I made from selling drugs on me. You know, you're walking around with all the money that's to your name back then. Like, I wouldn't put no money in no banks and stuff back then. I ain't known that about, I mean, I knew about banks. I had no bank account. So they took all my money.

They took everything I had. And, man, they went so far to take. The only thing I was able to keep was my car because I didn't drive it. But they was trying to get that, too. But it was in my mom's name because insurance was cheaper. So I had put my car in my mom's name with this. That was a blessing. They couldn't take that.

But, man, they even took the gold teeth. they was like, we'll melt it down. I'm like, why they take, I asked my lawyer, I'm like, why they take my gold, like, they took my jury, they. What do you mean your gold teeth are in? Or were they just platt? So they're like, they're friends.

So it's like, they custom, like, you can take them in and take them out. Oh, okay. So I had diamonds in my mouth with my name on it. You can pull out a pair of pliers and. Oh, yeah, nah, yeah. So I had, yeah, so they, so when we, they took that, they took my chain and everything.

They took all my money. So, hell ain't how in that in the sale. I was thinking to myself when I was sitting there I'm like, man, I get out of them to sell my car and just start back over. But I'm not even knowing the magnitude of, like, trafficking. Because, like I said, that common law robbery stuff still pending. You know what I'm saying? So, like, now I got debt pending.

Now I got this trafficking. I'm like, dang, I'm like, boy, I'm not turned into a criminal. So, like, my mom, like, man, I would call my mom. She's like, man, you've been on news for two weeks. They keep running that story back. I'm like, for real, it ain't that deep. It's just some. She said, yeah, but you're the talk of the town.

You know, my mom crazy. So one day I'm sitting in the pod And I called my mom She said, yeah, we looked you up today They didn't dismiss Like six of your charges I guess to the grand jury. So I'm not knowing that I sign

I think I signed something to where They're like, we'll dismiss it But we can pick it back up. So, but I'm like shit, yeah, my lawyer was, he was trying to explain it to him I was young in the game, I can't really remember the actual wording of it, but he was like, they're going to send it over to the grand jury, and if they feel like they're just, you know, they'll dismiss it.

But they could indict you and pick it back up. So it dropped my bond down to like $34,000 or something like that. So I'm like, well, that's $3,000. I can scrape that up. So I get on the phone, man, my grandma then was still living. So everybody kind of like pitched in and they came and got me. So I get out. So when I get out, everybody is like telling me, like, boy, we seen you on the news, bro.

So nut, he's still sitting in there. But this is, I'm not even knowing nothing to cooperate. He's like, man, that's my nephew, man, I ain't got nothing to do with that. Like, so he ended up, they ended up, he got like 16 months for like the gun or something. But they dismissed the drugs on him. Like, because he wrote a statement on me too. He was in there. I'm like, damn.

But I ain't holding against him because, you know, I'm young. I'm like, damn. Like, yeah, man. Like, that's one, like, it's crazy because I get back to the hood. And like my cousin, who dope it was, they was mad at me. Why? I guess because he lost the money. But I'm like, what you want me to do?

Pay you back after I don't went to jail, sat in here and kept it real. So it kind of hurt me. So they had this thing, I'm going to fast forward. They had this thing called Jazz in the Park back in the day in Charlotte. We're like on Sundays, they would have jazz. Like, they played like live bands, live jazz and all that. And, like, everybody would just come out there, man. Like, it'd be packed, man, food and everything.

But that was, like, an event that we went to, to, like, hollet women and, like, crews and stuff like that, show off your car. So I'd go to Jazz and the Park one day with my brother. I'm out on mine. And back then, they went putting the ankle monoton on you and all that. You can just be free. Like, you bonded out. You free until you go to court. So, like, I'm going everywhere.

I'm everywhere. So I see my cousin and his other cousins. They in another car, they in the Cadillac. He got one of them cars too. He got one of them badass STS too. So like I see him, but I ain't really thinking it's like no smoking that. So like his other cousin, he just think he tough as hell, you know? So like he mugging me and stuff.

So I'm like, so my brother, he riding with me. So he like, he acting like he reaching. Right? So like I'm back then. So like we're in the same parking lot. So I'm going to turn. out. So my brother, you know, he's a street dude. So when he sees somebody reading, like, oh, he's like, boy, he got a gun. He's fin-up. So I pull out. I'm like, damn. So I pull out.

I speed off. I'm like, oh, it's like, I'll say, okay, I see what's going on now. So I sat here, went to jail, facing all this time, and now y'all want to kill me? So I'm like, what type of sense did that make? So it just don't make no sense. So like, I'm trying to process this. So my brother, mad, he'd get on the phone. He calling the gangsters Been better off saying, listen, this ain't even my dope. I'm just delivering my cousin's dope because he's going to be trying to kill me later. Yeah, but, I mean, I can't do that because, like, that's the code of the streets. Like, I can't.

The code of the streets are trying to kill you right now. He's got a gun. He's reached for a gun. Yeah, but I'm like, I can't do that. Oh, my God. I mean, because, like, I went raised like that because it was my fault anyway. It was my fault I went to jail. My brother them told him I was the police to do.

I'm not saying it's not your fault, too. But when he tried to kill me, I'm like, we enemies now. But it wasn't him that was doing it. It was his cousin. But he was in the car. Right. You know, but I mean, so years later, we ended up, like, getting back all the way good and cool. And they were, they were, so guess what?

So back then I called my grandma, I'm like, yeah, grandma, they just tried to shoot at me and all this. You know, I ain't really want to, I wasn't going to call the police or nothing like that. But I called the family. Like, I called my grandma. Like, so my grandma called her son Julius, which is my uncle. and he called him like yeah man y'all better stop effing with my nephew like he don't went to jail everybody know what's going on they were like oh man we were just playing with him like but in my brother in them i was like nah we like it's on so we don't win and got everybody don't win and got scrapped up

so now i'm looking for them but i can't find them but by the grace of god i'm glad i didn't because it would have been stupid yeah and then i really that's my cousin so i love them and then it was just so much confusion then like i didn't want it to go that way that way but I was so confused like, man, I just did the realest thing on earth. Like I went to jail, got a million dollar bond and didn't tell it. Y'all supposed to be praising me. Like, I'm Goddia or somebody like, y'all trying to kill me. I'm like, I go to jail.

Now I'm going to die. Because I'm like, I'm knowing his cousin, like, don't get me wrong. He thought he was tough, but he didn't carry it out. He doesn't, word on the street. He hadn't carried out some real vicious things. You know what I'm saying? He done did some stuff. You feel me?

So like. Just serious. To me? Because I'm like, I know he'll smoke. something. I just know. You know what I'm saying? So to make a long story short, man, I ain't never catch up with him that night. And then I just kind of stayed away from the hood for a while because I'm like, I'm fighting this case, man. And then the lawyer, like, man, it's a mandatory sentence with trafficking in North Carolina like 35 to 42 months. Like, that's just

it. Like, you're going to prison. So when I finally, so guess what? They re-indicted me on all the charges that they dismissed. So now I got to go back to jail. So I'm out on bond. The bonds shoot back up. Yeah, so they put out warrants on you when you get indicted. So you got to go back to jail. So now I got all these new warrants. So I'm like, I got to run.

So in the midst of me running, I ain't run too long. I made it run for like two ones, man. Because I'm a kid, so I still want to be outside. I want to be in the clubs. I go, this one, 50 cent first was like big. Get Richard. Dotrine. Yeah, get rich at that trying. And you're staying in the same area.

Like it's not like you pick up These guys go on the run But they never leave the area It's like okay you got to have new ID You got to leave the area I'm using my real idea And to be honest with you You still driving your car?

No Okay there you go No I'm not driving I'm driving my mama's Cadillac She got a white Cadillac So I'm driving my mom's car now So my car part Matter of fact I think

No I'm gonna tell you what happened In my car This is funny because I was going to sell it When I got out My sister took my car to college because I never forget I called home from jail before I bought it out

and my cousin Tilt was like man I just seen your man they had a refrigerator in the back of your car looked like the trunk don't even close no more like man your car looked at ragged as hell I say for real

so I called mom she was like yeah I let her take that car back to the car you don't need to that's the least of your words you don't even worry about no damn car like that's the least of your words

you need to worry about fighting that case yeah I let her use that car that car ain't gonna go no way she ain't gonna hurt that car and I'm just like yeah whatever So my mom gave me her other car When I got out

So I was playing her car You know what I'm saying But I was man I had so much on my mind man Because I was still trying to stay afloat Still make money And just still trying to just live Man so

I met this girl And she lived like Way out in university So back then That was like the good side of town So like I had them start shacking up with her man She was older She liked me

You know what I'm saying? How old? were you at this point? I was like 19. How old was she? Well, you got in a lot of trouble. Some 19s. 19, you're in a lot of trouble already. Yeah. Yes, I'm in the heat with trouble, man. 19.

I'm thinking he's at least mid-20s by now. But no, you're, okay. Yeah. So how old was she? She was like 26. Okay. So like, but she's turning me out, though. She's freaking me all the way out. Because I'm like having sex and stuff at the time, but like the type of things that she's showing me it's mind blowing. And it's like, so I'm so obsessed with her. Like, you know, she's, man, goodness gracious.

So, like, I'm really in love with her, but it's like I can't keep up because she's known me to have a couple dollars, but I can't keep up with her lifestyle. Like, she used to drug, like, big-time drug dealers. So, like, the little bit of money I do got, I'm just trying to, like, whining down her, but it's not, it's just,

we're falling out about so much stuff. So the night of the concert, I was supposed to took her with me. What concert? 50 cent. Oh, okay. You're Richard Dutron. He was like, he was the biggest artist, period, man.

I'm like, I'm going to that 50. So she was like, you're going to, so I'm telling how I'm going to take her. But my brother like, man, you know, man, there's going to be so many girls that you can't take sand to the beach. He like, I'm like, man, I'm like, how I'm going to get? He's like, man, just leave. I'm talking to him. He's like, man, don't take it. He's like, man, just leave.

It's raining, though. It's pouring down raining. So. She seeded. I'm like, getting my outfit together, whatever. So I'm like, man, I'm feeling. She's like, what's going on? Like, am I going on?

Like, you're saying, like, what's going on? Like, I'm like, man, I ain't even got the tickets yet. Like, I need to go get the tickets first. She's like, nah, you ain't going to come back. She's like, no, I know you. You're not going to come back. I'm like, yeah, I'm confident. I got to see what's going on.

So she gets so mad. I never forget I had bought these Jordans. They was brand new. She went in the box, took them out. It was pouring down raining. I got my whole outfit on, but I ain't got my shoes on yet. She didn't took my shoes and threw them in the rain. Then she then ran in the kitchen. I spit on her.

When she did that, I spit on her. She didn't run in the kitchen, got a knife. She chased me in the rain. So I had to run outside barefooted with a brand new outfit on, the pouring down rain, scooped the shoes up. She chased me around the car. I had to unlock the car door. So we just kept going around the car. She got a knife. She's like, I'm going to kill you. Like, she's really, like, mad at this point. I'm talking about she, I truly believe that if she could have got to me, she would have stabbed me. But she just got tired and just walked off. And because it was pouring down right now. Yeah.

And then I get in the car, man. I'm soaking wet, the shoes wet. I call her brother back, man. I'm like, man, this crazy-ass girl just, she doesn't chase me with a knife, brought and spit on it. She didn't through my shoe. He's like, man, where's you where? I'm like, man, I'm leaving. He, like, meet me.

So I meet him. We go to the concert and everything. So we leave him. In the concert, my brother dealing with this chick in another hood on the other side of town. So he's like, man, let's go pick them up. We're going to go to eight tracks. We're going to go to the after party. But this ain't like a official after party, but this is like where everybody's going to go.

That's from my hood. He's like, we got to go pick him up. So I'm driving. So he don't want to pull in front of their house in the hood because he got something going on with somebody in his hood with like some kind of beef or something. I can't really remember. But it was a reason why we didn't go in front of her house. So we had a Domino's pizza back then Now mind you, this after the concert, so it's late,

Domino's is closing. We backed in at Domino's, guess what Domino's done there? They didn't call the police. They said it's a suspicious car had backed in. We think they're trying to rob us. Because we just sitting there waiting on the girls. They're taking forever. They're like, we getting judged.

We come, and so we're sitting there for like 15, 20 minutes. Man, two Carlos cops pull up, man. Police pull up. I'm like, oh, shit. Like the cops, he's like, man, don't panic. So mind you, I got these warrants. But I'm like, they're not going to run my name for no warrants. I got license.

So he comes to the running. He's like, he's like, what's going on, fellas? I say, nothing, man, we're just waiting on these girls. I'm talking fast because it's like the cops did. So like, now it's like, when we hide too? We haven't smoked. You know? So like, I'm like, we just waiting on these girls.

He's like, oh, yeah, you got some license registration. I'm like, well, I'm in my mom. car, but he'll go on my license or whatever. So he's like, yeah, just sit tight. You know, every time they tell you to sit tight, they're going to go, you know, do they do due diligence or whatever. You know, they're going to run your name and run the tag and see who you is. So he stayed in his car for a very long time.

He stayed in his car so long. So the girls finally pull up like 20 minutes later. So they're seeing the cops. So they're trying to walk with like, man, y'all just stand back. We'll be done in a minute with them, the other cop telling the girls there. So he, the cop that run my name or whatever, he goes talk to the other cop. He got my license in the hand. So I'm asking, bro, I'm like, what you think they're talking about?

He's like, man, it's probably nothing. They're probably just, you know what I'm saying? They're going to let us go. We're good, man. They're talking about how you ain't going to go to 50 cent concert. That's. No, we went to the concert, the after party. Oh, this was the, oh, that's right.

Okay. I'm sorry. You just said the after person. Yeah, because we had to left the concert. So basically, like, he comes back to my window. So I'm like, everything's okay. so like I'm trying to be the good guy. He like, yeah, he said,

it seems like your license is suspended. He said, but it's no big deal because you wouldn't drive and y'all was part. He said, do your buddy got license? And my brother, like, yeah, I got license, but he don't got license either, but he got a copy of it. He's suspended too.

He's like, y'all just switch seats. And then he's driving, y'all good to go. Handing me back my license. As soon as I opened the door, he grabbed my arm. He said, yeah, you got warrants from trafficking, cocaine. I had to take you to jail.

He tricked me. He tricked me because I knew if he felt like if he knew that he would have said it and I'm still, because the car is on. Yeah, you might have punched it. I would have punched it. I ain't going to lie. I'm like, come on, man. But guess what?

And then they was like, let me, so he, then my brother, he was like, shit. He's like, well, I ain't fin to get in there and drive because she and my eyes suspended, too. So they let one of the girls. No, matter of fact, I called my sister. My sister came and got the car. She was in town. She came and got the car. So, man, I went back to jail, man,

and I sat down there for like, sheesh, like 17 months. Like I sat in the county for another 17 months. And I'd never forget this. Duke was playing Carolina. The lawyer I had at the time, he came to see me at it right after the game. It was like 11.30 at night. You know, you're only supposed to get attorney visits after 11,

so I knew it was serious. So, like, the officer came to my door. I was eating because we had watched the game and everything and I was eating my little setup I had like man you got an attorney visit. I said, it's late. It was my attorney, man. He said, man, I had to come on me.

I had to finish watching the game because, you know, I'm a Duke fan or whatever. He said, but I had to come over here and let you know this because it's all bad. That's horrible. I'm like, come on, man. More bad news. He said, man, the DA on your case.

Because I was just going to please. guilty to one counter trafficking. They was going to consolidate them. It was like three counts of trafficking, but consolidated into one to do the mandatory 35 months and then you're good. So, I ended up having to fire

him because he's like, the DA on the case I used to date her and she hates me. He's like, I can't get no pleas for none of my clients, man. She's just trying to send everybody in prison. Like, man, she wants to go to trial. She didn't pull the plea out of the table. He said, so what I need you to do is he said, because I like you. Because I let him

like with him we have became like close man you know because like he doesn't got to like me and stuff he like man I don't want you go he's like man if you he's like man you're like you're probably gonna get 20 years he said they're gonna you go all these charges are gonna be consecutive he said man you get three three three three three three he's like man he said man he said I can't let you go out like that he said all these people that got caught way worse situation with records that she doesn't gave please too I'm looking at it and then here it is she see me every time we get a case together, she's trying to hammer my clients. He said, I need you

to go to court and tell the judge that I haven't been a good attorney to you and that you need time to find another attorney and they're going to appoint you another one. He said, just going there and talk cold cash about me. He said, man, I got up in there because he's talking about 20, so I'm, hell no, I haven't been there on 20 years and I'm

19. Man, I get up in that courtroom, so at the hearing, I get up in there, I say, man, y'all an, can I speak? I'm like, man, this lawyer you don't pick up my calls. The only time he seen me was last night, and then he was talking crazy. Like, he didn't even look at the case. I say, man, I feel like he hadn't even, I ain't got a fair fight. Like, so the lawyer, he's not really trying to, like, dispute what I'm saying.

He was like, man, he's just difficult to deal with. I got a lot of case. He said some bulls, you know what I'm saying? He was like, I just, I feel like we're not going to get alone. It's not going to work anyway. So I'm a withdrawal from his case. So that gave, that bought me some time. So you know how the DAs, they switch.

So I was able to get another lawyer and another DA. So I got that same deal back on the table with the 35 to 42 months. And the lawyer came to me. He was like, man, just signed it. It was on my birthday. I never forget it. He came. He was like, listen, man, we came up with a plea.

You already got all this jail credit. Man, you go to prison for a year. You'd be out. I signed it. I almost broke the pen, signing that plea, man. Went to court. It was on my birthday. And, man, I went to prison, man.

And I got out right, I got out the March. My birthday is in June, so I got out that March right before my 22nd birthday. Yeah. Where'd you go? I went to Pasca. I went to a, okay, so I went to the youth spread first. So I went to poke youth spread. That's in Butner.

That's like, man, that was the toughest prison I've been to in my life. That's what really made me a man. It's glad they at the school. I get there. My cousin and them, they already, he locked up for shooting at the police. These real criminals. So. This is the same.

cousin that wanted to, or was with the guy that wanted to, or was no, no, this is another cousin on my daddy side. Okay. This is my big cousin on my daddy side. He'll, he'll plumb food. He's crazy. So, but he, like, he just, he just thug life, man. He's a criminal.

So when I get there, that's the first person I see. He's the janitor. So he's telling me, like, man, don't go to breakfast. We're going to smoke. I got some weed. I got, man, I got some pot. You know what I'm saying? I got everything you need.

He's like, and, um, he was like, uh, you want some cigarette? I'm like, I don't smoke. I don't smoke. I don't smoke cigarettes. But you know, back then in North Carolina, you could buy cigarettes out of the commissary before they banned it. I didn't know that. Yeah, so we used to call them bricks.

So, like, that was the compounds money, cigarettes. Yeah. Yeah, so I get to prison. So they send me to the D3. That's the way they sent out of New Jacks. So, like, I'm like, prison ain't that bad. So I'm meeting a couple of dudes from Charlotte and stuff, man. And so they, like, they asking me what happened.

And I'm, like, telling them story, this dead and the third. And so I started hanging out with these, this crypt dude, his name, Velocat. I don't know if he's still living or not or I don't know what he had in life, but he was my real friend at that prison because he was like the head crib. He was locked up for murder. He killed the dude because they was playing,

we had a strip club back in the day called the Viad. He was playing pool $100 a ball, whatever left on the table, whoever lose, it's $100 a ball. He's playing against this dude, and the dude ended up losing. It was like eight, nine balls left on the table. And the dude just,

do a hundred dollar bill like man i ain't fin to give you no eight hundred and he shot him and killed him yeah like yeah you're gonna put some respect on my name so he ended up getting like 10 years so i was kicking him with him and um he ended up they he got uh he didn't get undergrade but he got sent to like a better prison so he had a list of like everything that people owed him so he the morning before he left he came and woke me up he said man this the list man i'm getting everything to you He gave me like a pillowcase for like cigarettes and snacks and everything. He's like, man, I'm going to see you on that outside. You know what I'm saying?

Keep in touch with me. You know what I'm saying? He gave me the list. He like, man, he said stand on business. Well, he didn't say stand on business back then, but basically what he told me was to make sure everybody pay me. He said everybody that they owe me, now they owe you. So I'm going around.

So when the lights comes on the next morning, I'm going around to the list. I'm like, man, everybody like really playing for you. They're like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he told me. So it's just one cat. He's like, man, I get to him. I'm like, man, you know you owe five packs. So he's like, he like, man, Vela ain't telling me that, man, I ain't.

I say, man, I'm telling you, man, like, if you don't pay, you already know what time it is. He's like, I ain't paying. So whatever, you know what I'm saying? He's like, I'm like, I'm like, all right, cool. So the day go past, I'm like, I'm plotting. I'm thinking, I'm like, damn, if I let him slide, then everybody going to play with me.

And ain't nobody going to pay me. So I got to send a message. So the dorm D4 is like next to D3. So I'm talking to some cats, some blood dudes that he plugged me with. He's like, man, you need any work put in, holler at them. That way you keep your hands clean, you know what I'm saying? So I'm hollering at the blood dude. And I'm like, listen, man, I got 10 packs.

I need some work done. I'm going to slide the note under the door. I slides a note under the door. I tell them who it is. I say when we come outside, 10 packs. Give them, we come out for a wreck. I give him the 10 packs. So it don't happen then.

So we come back in. So that night, it don't happen again. So the next day I slid another, no, I'm like, man, what happened? So now a whole day that went by. So the next day I'm like, man, if it don't happen the day, I'm going to do it myself. Man, went out for wreck that morning, man. The dude out there working out. Back then, it had weights at the U.S.

You spread, you know what I'm saying? Man, he down there in the weight power, man, and they had the little small dumbbell weight. I think that's probably why they took them from where they, I mean, they definitely had gone from the U-SPread, but dude sent a dude to do the hit and hit him in the face with one of them little hand, them little dumbbell weights and split, bust all this whole thing,

like bad. So, you know, we are the, it's basically maximum security. So, like, everybody got to, to get on the ground and freeze like when some stuff happened right so like they secure everything

everybody so they everybody go back to the dorm so they hit done so I'm like they got paid everything good like but everybody kind of know what's been going on

like he ain't paid like man they got they got them like that's just the rule we young so like ain't no sympathy like you know you ain't paid like

and then I ain't for the how you and making me look like a punk you know what I'm saying like no you like you got what you deserve like now Like now, as an older man, like, I feel like I would, I should have never did that because

that was stupid. Like, I got you, I didn't got you, you could have died. And I didn't did this. And I could have been with a life sentence because they, they, everything came back to me. Like, so later on that day, after everything kind of died down, they called me to the, to the office. And when I get in there, man, they closed the door. It was like, they had this big, this big, I never forget him.

He was like, six. six nine correctional officer. He like six nine, man. His last name, we had the same last name, Harris. He was sitting in the chair, so all the other officers were standing down. He told me to sit down. I sat down. He said, see, what's going on is word on the compound that you putting hits on people.

You know, that guy, he got a broke nose. Like, he could have lost his life, man. I said, who, what are you talking about? I said, man, I just got here. Like, I ain't even been here two weeks. I'm like, I'm lying, but they could tell I'm lying because I'm stumbling over my word. He's like, this was for to happen. He said, this was for the happen.

You got one or two options. He said, I'm going to rip this pocket off my shirt and put his water right here on me and act like you tried to attack me. And we're going to beat out of you in here. We're going to do you how you had him done. Or we can send you to the ghetto. I said, what you mean? He said, we're going to send you to D1.

We're going to send you over there with the lifers and all the hard criminals since you, you went to that type of stuff. So we're going to send you over there. There's one or two options. the classification, I don't supposed to be around that time. Because I ain't never been in jail. I ain't no hob risk in that. I say, man, send me to the ghetto. Send me where I need to go

because I ain't, I don't know nothing, man. I sent me man, I'm like, man, I ain't did nothing, man. I ain't trying to get my ass, whoop, you know, because he, when we came in, this dude that came in with me, right? When we got search, you know, you got to do a script search. I watched him stick his hand inside this dude mouth and rip a tongue ring out his mouth. This little kid, you know, they tell you, you take off all your jury, everything. Like, he said, man,

What the fuck is that in your mouth? And reached in his mouth and snatched it out. Yeah, so I already knew he was ruthless and he was going to carry out everything he said. Like, he was one of them COs that, like, if he said he was going to do it, it was going to get done. And can't nobody beat him. He's like 6'9, big, man.

I knew I couldn't beat him. I was a, you know, I was a pee-wee then. I ain't even have muscles or nothing. So, man, they sent me to the book. Guess what? I get over there and I fall in. I love it. My cousin, them over there.

I was going to say, I know everybody. Man, I'm over there with the gangsters, the gang members. Like, we over there rapping. Like, we're eating bigger. Like, they got everything. They got access to everything. They got the pot over there. Like, they got all the drugs over there.

Like, it's just so fun, man. Like, every night it's something fun to do. Like, and you could, the view of seeing, you could see the wreckyard, like, from, like, I went to where our bunks was at. So, like, man, I was over there, man. So for, like, a month, I just enjoyed myself. and then when they classified me, I made undergrade. Man, do you know I cried, man,

because I ain't want to leave my friends? Bro, I know exactly. I don't know if you've ever watched my story. I couldn't even tell them. Bro, I talk about how when I left the prison, I fucking just started tearing up. I can't wait to tell you about that part when I left the feds.

But, man, I couldn't even wake up certain dudes and tell them that I left. and because them dudes they had life and stuff, man. They're still in jail. You know what I'm saying? Man, so they sent me to Camp Green. That's when Charlotte had their own undergrade. It was called Camp Green.

It was like right by my hood. Undergrade. Is that like a low? Green clothes. Like a camp. It's a camp. No offense. I get there, man.

And when I get there, I see everybody I know. I've seen OGs from the hood that's done been locked up for 10 years. That's done made under. Like everybody. So like now this is even more interesting. So this dude that I met when I was in the county jail for all those months, them 17 months, he was my dog. So like we got, I started calling him, um, he was locked up on a drug conspiracy. And then I had a state case.

He was already going for it. So he ended up telling me, he said, boy, when you get the key, he said, they're going to see you to Camp Green because you ain't ever really been in no trouble. He said, when you get there, it's an officer that worked there named Miss Austin. He said, that's my girl. He said, when you get there, you're going to be locked there. she's going to lock you in. I'm thinking like, you know, extra food types. I ain't thinking there's not like extensive.

Man, when I get there, man, I go find her. Like, once I get there and get comfortable. So they got me in a regular dorm. So I get there. I talked to her. She's like, yeah, I'm going to get you moved to the work release dorm. I say, but I ain't got no job. And I ain't really got that much time left at this point.

So maybe like a year or something like that, he left. So she was like, I'm going to move you to the work with his dorm because nobody be there all day. you could talk on the cell phone. I said the cell phone. She's like, yeah, I'm going to let you use my phone during the day. I got another phone. She's like, your uncle told me to look out for you. But then my real uncle, he just a dude I was being.

I'm like, yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm like, for real, man, she was bringing me Taco Bell. Any restaurants I wanted, man, she would just, when she go get her lunch, she'll bring me back something. But we had real cash on the compound, so I had a few dollars. So I would look out for and stuff. You know what I'm saying? $50 here, $50 there.

You know, it went no big dish. She's like, nah, you good. Because he was really a kingpin on the street. So, like, he already had her straight. This is really his money that she's spending anyway. So, like, everything is cool. So I'm like, I ain't doing nothing illegal on this compound. Like, it's too sweet.

It's like not being in jail, man. So I'm like, I'm loving this. My mom coming to see me, man. My girl coming to see me at the time and whatever. So, like, I never forget. My mom came to see me one time. We're in a visitation. So, you know, when you coming back through visit,

like, to come back to the compound, you got to get butt naked. You know, you got a script down or whatever. So, but, like, I know I ain't trying to bring that back in. and nothing. So I'm like, I'm cool. So they bring me in. They bring this dude from Raleigh in together. So they do the script search or whatever. So I'm already like this. I'm ready just to go ahead and put my clothes back on and going back up. I'm just standing here. Like, I'm ready. Like, he's taking forever to take his clothes off. It's weird. So he get all the way down to his socks, right? So he's trying to, he got something in his sock, but he's trying to grab it. And then, like, he got it

balled up where he wanted to just let the sock drop. I'm like, but they're still going to shake the sock out. Yeah, they're going to search your shit. I'm trying to think how he's trying to do it. He's trying to basically keep it in his hand, but make a long story short, it's trying to get it out of the sock. It hit the officer in the face. Because when he tried to pull the sock off, instead of him cuffing it,

it's like, man, you almost hit me in the face with it. You know what I'm saying? He's like, you almost hit me in the face. So guess what the police, the officers say? He said, man, okay, which one of y'all going to wear this? I'm like, man. So I'm thinking of myself, like, I'm looking at him. Like, I'm already naked, holding my joint because, you know, like, we're right.

You know, I'm ready to go. Like, you just watched him hit you in the face. You know who it came from. What you think are together? I don't even know this dude, for real. So the dude looking at me, I'm looking at him. I'm like, I'm like, what the, I'm like, man, what's up, man? You got to take that.

You got to take that, man. So he don't take it. So they send us both to the shoe. I can't believe it So my homeboy He walked past the shoe I'm like yeah man I say man

The dude man He ain't wearing his charge man Like he get caught with the With the bud man Trying to come through And he get caught Now he sent him Finda get me

Sent back to the You know what I'm saying To the pen For something that he did He's like man He said I'm gonna have his homies holl at him Because there was some other dudes

From Raleigh And they came A hollid at him Man guess what this dude did This man and told him that I threatened him and put a hit on him, like, telling him like that, because he blamed it on me.

Like, it was his, I was bringing it back for him. But guess what? The police stood on business. And he was like, nah, it came out of his sock. He dammed him in the face with it. So I beat it. I beat it. But the fact of him telling him he was in fear of his life,

they had to ship me. So they shipped me way out to damn there. Man, it was like five and a half hours away on a bus. Pascal tank. So that's like, they got like a close custody. Then they got a camp. So they did send me to the camp. So when I got to the camp, I was so far away,

I couldn't get no more visits. The phone calls was like $16 a call. Like, I couldn't really call home. Like, man, it was rough, man. I used to be happy when I seen them little 25s and 50s come through. My mom didn't think about me, you know, my sister named them, you know what I'm saying?

Everybody thinking about me. Like, I couldn't talk to nobody. I was in the middle of nowhere. So like, I'm like, dang, I'm way out here. But I was still at a camp, though. So I ended up going like, I had to get a job so I could get out at my minimum because if you ain't working and going to school, you got to max out.

So I had got a job picking up trash on the highway, cleaning up neighborhoods and stuff. So the dude we worked for, he had ended up hitting the lottery. Like he worked for the prison, but he hit the lottery for like millions, so he quit. So like his crew, like we had to stay back at the compound for like a week or two until they found somebody that could take us out. So they'll let some people go out on other crews and everything.

I'm like, he had the lottery, man. Like, that's crazy. quit. I'm like, dang. But by this time, I'm like, I'm nearing the end of my sentence or whatever. So, like, they put me on the squad with this dude name. I never forget his name. It was Kishbaugh. He was just crazy.

He, like, a Russian. He was crazy. Like, crazy. He used to call me Youngblood. Because I was the youngest on the squad. So, like, we started, like, doing, like, lawn work on Elizabeth City University. That's right there. By Pascal Tank, it's like a 20-minute drive or whatever.

So we're on Elizabeth City University. and like this girl that used to work with me at the school went there. So like I see her and I'm talking to her. And man, this man embarrassed me so bad, man. He called me like, you know how they walked? She's like, Mr. Harris, with you? I said it's a long story. It's a long story.

So we chop it up. But as I'm chopping up on weed eating. So she kind of walked off. So he called me back to the van. He said, man, don't you ever talk to nobody. You're a prisoner. Don't you ever talk to nobody. I say, man.

I said, man, I know her from the screen. She just spoke, man. It was small talk. I don't care who it is. I don't care if it's your mother. So, boy, I was heated because I couldn't do nothing. Then I'm like, I can't quit because then I ain't going to get the good time. So, man, I get back to the compound, man.

I went to play basketball, man, like I sprained my ankle, came back and limping. So I went to medical and everything. I like, man, I ain't going back out there with him. That man humiliated me in front of everybody. In front of everybody, they're laughing. So I got like two weeks left. he comes inside the dorm and finds me he's like young blood what are you I ain't been to work come on

I say man I hurt my leg I hurt my ankle man playing basketball he slapped the ankle man ain't nothing wrong with you and walk off and so he went and was like man he's faking because he just told him a story he was talking he was trying to snatch my good days back like he wanted me man he was trying to torture me man

so the assistant ward I believe like whoever he was he like had some pool, he was like, man, I can help you keep your good days. I can give you 16 more days, but I want you to wax the whole dorm. So I'm like, shit, I'll do that. You know what I'm saying? As long as I got to go back out there with him. So I ended up doing that, man.

I got out of prison, man. I got the days. I went home. I got on that bus, got back to Charlotte. So when you get out of prison, they send you back to the home camp. So I had to go back through Camp Green. So I went there for like a day. And then I got out, man.

That first person I seen was my mom. So now that's behind me. So mind you, now, let me give you a backstory on how I'll be started doing fraud. Once I found out that being a drug dealer, they got mandatory sentences, whether it's state or federal, I said, my drug dealing career is over with because I don't, I ain't the time. I'm a world dude. Like, I want to be in the world. I don't want to be sitting in no prisons and jails. So I'm like, I need to do something that I could still make fast money, but it ain't a lot of time in it.

It is drills because I don't see people get life sentences out of drugs, but then I don't see any people steal millions of dollars and get two years. Right. You know, they had clocked me at $7 to $10 million, and I pled to a million, but I'm like, dang, you could steal all this money and get 41 months off a million dollars. I mean, that's what they, I pled to the million,

so it's like, they knew that I stole $7 to $10 million. So I'm like, they know I took this money, and there ain't no time. I can do this again. I mean, I'm not willing to because. I just can't do it. I'm too old now, man. I mean, you know, being a criminal, man, it takes a lot. It's a full-time job.

But make a long story short, I'm sitting in the county jail on the drug charges. I'm playing chess with this older cat. He's like 60. And we get the talk on it. I'm like, what you locked up for? He's like, embezzlement. I'm like, what you was doing?

So he's telling me about everything he was doing. He was like, man, I was opening up these accounts and putting these fake checks in them. and getting the money out before the bank knew about it. He was walking me through every step of what he did. He was showing me his paperwork on all kind of little scams that he was doing. But he ended up getting caught because he stole 600 grand from his job. He was a bad man.

But he told me, he was like, man, if you do this and you do this, he was telling me like little things to do. He was like, man, when you get out, try this, try this. And work alone because it's really easy. easy and it's really undetected if you work alone. Don't go out there and deal with a lot of people with this. He said the only people you want to deal with is like the heads. That's what they call like the people that want to like sign up for banks and basically like homeless people.

Like I like so basically I get out of jail. Let me just get straight to the punch. I get out of jail, out of prison. I'm broke. Thinking about this. It's been right through my mind the whole time I've been in prison during my time. I'm like, I'm going to do fraud when I get out. because I had a rule.

I'm like, if I get caught doing a crime, I'm never going to do it again. Because they know that it would be my MO. So I'm going to try something different. So I'm like, I'm going to do fraud. So I come home from prison. My grandma had passed away and everything. So, like, my mom stopped working to, like,

take care of my aunt. She had a surgery or whatever. So, like, my whole family is basically living at my grandma's house, everybody. And everybody is kind of, like, messed up at a time. Nobody really got no money. So I get out of prison. mom helped me. She bought me a couple outfits, man. She was trying to help me, but it was just hard

because she didn't have a job, you know? So my mom ended up getting her job at the garbage place. So after I got out, I want to say. And what happened was she got me on. So now I got my first job from being home from the state. It didn't last for two months. Because I'm going out on a week. I got to work. So I got to work. I got to be there like five in the morning. So I'm leaving the club at three drunk. So like I'm not even getting no sleep. So like I'm throwing up.

I'm no helper. So I got to, I'm the dude that like when the little thing don't connect to the trash can, I got to get out and put it on there. I'm the helper. So I'm hopping on and off the truck, the garbage truck. So about two months into the job, right,

this guy that I was working with named Luis, he called back to the plant. It was like, look, man. He's drunk. He's throwing up. Like he's not been doing no work today, man. So I get back, they call me to the office. They fire me.

I'm like, man. I wasn't drunk. I'm like, I was sick, man. But I really wasn't drunk over. But I was still doing the work. He basically told on me. I'm like, man, I can't win for losing. So I leave and get in the car.

My mom, she gets off. She's like, yeah, you can't, you can't, you just can't do right. Like, you know, older people, you know, they always lecture you or anything. I'm never right. Like, anytime something go wrong, she like, no, you, you know, your head just hard. a brick like you then got you a job because you got me looking bad you don't got fired you drunk like you you just I'm like man working this ain't for me like it just ain't for me like I tried I can't do it so I'm like what can I do so I ended up one day I was on

the phone with this girl I was talking to and somebody stopped the toilet up on the other side of the house so my mom was expecting me to plunge somebody else do-do that's the stopped up the toilet. I'm like, man, I'm like, I'm on the phone. I'm on the house phone at this time. I don't even think I got a cell phone. I'm on the house phone. And I'm like, Mom, I'm like, so I'm talking to my girl and I'm arguing with her about something.

I think we're supposed to be going to get something to eat or something. We're arguing about something. Then my mom is like standing over me. Because I'm like sitting down in the chair. She's like, you need to go and plunge that plunge that toilet. I say, Ma, it wouldn't me. Like, I didn't do it. Like, I'm not going to plunge somebody else do-do. Like, that's crazy.

That's insane. She said, you can either plunge it or you can leave. I'm like, what shit? I'm fin to leave in. Oh, excuse my language. I'm like, I'm going to leave. So she hangs up, she hit the thing. So she hangs up the phone.

So I slam the phone down or whatever. I leave. I strike out walking. Because like I told you, I was driving her car. So I can't take her car now. So now I don't got no car. Yeah. So I walked to my house.

Pride. Pride. My mama, a gangster, though. So my mama followed me with a broom. She was fin to hit me out. Now I'm 21 years old. my mom really feeling like jump on me for real. I'm like, go ahead.

Or what? What you're going to do? Fight me? I'm like, go ahead. So I kind of like just got away from or whatever, walked to my aunt house. So my uncle, he's a real estate agent at the time. But he was a multi-millionaire. Like he was, man, this man was rich.

He had went to Marines. He was living in San Diego, man. He had like all this money, mansions and stuff. So all his buddy, all his friends, like, this is a big real estate bus, like had happened. So, like, all these dudes went to jail. They got a whole bunch of time. But my uncle was kind of like, he was, like, one of the legitimate people out of the whole group of people. Like, lawyers went to jail.

Appraisers went to jail. Everybody went to jail. My uncle, he didn't go to jail. But he went broke because everybody who he was dealing with went to jail. So he couldn't really close no deals. Like, it was bad at the time. But he was like, he was sleeping on my aunt's couch. And he was like, when I got up there, I'm like, man, I just fell out with the whole house.

They was on me. I'm telling him the story. He like, look, man. I'm going to put together some deals and I can probably put about 20,000 in your pocket. I'm like, for real. I'm like, shit, hell, yeah, let's do that. What I got to do?

He's like, I'm going to run your credit and stuff. I'm going to put some houses in your name. I'm going to put together, you know, shape your profile up and everything. I say, man, let's do what I do anything right now. I'm ready to rob a bank at this point. So me and him, we thugging it out on the couch together. So he ended up standing on business. So he like, okay, so he put these houses.

He put like four houses in my name. He closed it. He sold all four houses. So the first check comes. It's like 90,000. So I'm with State Employees Credit Union. So everything's in my name. So he gave me the check.

We pull up to the bank. He's like, yeah, you put 20, you keep 20,000. Put that in your savings account. And Ted, them will give you 10,000 cash. Put the rest of your checking account. And then I'm giving me one to get a card made for me. So he's using basically my bank account because, you know, he got all this, I want to say,

I don't really know the magnitude of it, but I know he can't really put nothing in his name. Yeah, yeah. That's why he worked the deals through my name. Yeah. So everything was in my name. So me and him, we go get this big ass house. It's an oak there.

So back then, you live over there. You had money. So we got like this like four or five bedroom career, man. He went and bought a Porsche. He had a Porsche Carrera with the two tops, brand new showroom for, and he had a BMW 750, Because mind you, I told you, my sister got my car.

I was driving my mama car, so I'm on foot. He gives me the BMW, the $750 that he had. He's like, you can just have that car. That's your car. So I'm pushing that. So now I'm in to say, this is all fraud. Something's fraud about this is too much. This is.

It's sneaky, but I don't, because my uncle, he ain't really doing. It's probably fraud, but it ain't looking like fraud. Yeah. Because we ain't never, like, ain't nothing ever transpired through it. Like, it's just like nothing happened. So, but my uncle loves to party. So now we roommates Like to spend money too

But he's treating me like he my dad Oh he loves to spend money Like we go to strip clubs every night And he my nickname Butch So he's like yeah butch You go get the girls They know you So I'm going to strip club

He got the money Like he don't care what they want He's like yeah I'm put 500 apiece on their head Like they're coming with us I'm like he like He'll point out the ones he wants So I get the ones he won

And I get the one I want And we'll bring them back to the crib You know back then And it was so crazy Because I found out Secrets about my uncle that I would have never knew. So the main secret I,

well, I did, he loves, he loves, right. Like, he, he, he,

he loves blows. So, like, at the end of the day, every time he get around girls, he want to turn into scarface. But it's weird. And I'm going to tell you why. He used to,

like, read the Bible a lot. Like, he really turned me up with, like, the Bible and Christianity and stuff because he always talk about the Bible

with any kind of situation that we deal with in life. And I learned, and to this day, that's the reason why I'm so blessed because I always put God first, but he really put that in my brain. He's like, man, you're out here doing all this, man. You want to go to church. You don't do nothing. Like, he had me going to church. But I grew up in the church.

Like, my grandma, but I never listened in church. You know, I didn't understand it as a kid, but as an adult, I love going to church. Like, I are going to church like this. And know what the pastor feeling to say? Like, I know the Bible like the back of my hand. But make a long story short, we part in. We part in with girls. We got strippers walking around the house.

He got a plate. Like, I don't even know where he's getting this stuff from because I ain't even in the game no more. But he got a plate with all this coke on it, man, all this blow on it, man. And, like, he's, like, just, you know, he's going crazy. I'm like, dang, I'll back off of it. He's like, nah, you know, it's all good. But he ain't one of those people that, like, get on drugs and, like, be tripping out.

He'd get on drugs and get generous. Yeah, he'll be like, man, I got a little honey coming through. man take the porch for the night man go get you you know what i'm saying go like he was like a he was like a he still is like i look up to him his birthday is a day after mine he's a gemini so like he was treating me like he was my father back then and that's where me and him ended up falling out because like me man i like go hang out with like a chick be gone for like a weekend and when I come back he might be in the living room he you know what I'm saying he'd be like oh man where you been like you live here you still live here I'm like yeah man like you know like

I ain't heard from you. I'm like, man, I got to call you every day because we lived again. Like, it was getting weird. And I'm like, dang, I'm so locked in with him. And he's really a great guy. I love him. But I felt like he was trying to control me. So I'm like, I got to like figure out a way to get away from this and get my own stuff.

I got money now. I got a couple dollars to play with it. But I'm like, I ain't going to sell drugs. So I'm like, I'm thinking about all the stuff the dude was telling me in jail, like, do this, try this. So I went to open up an account with Bank of America. that was the first bank account I opened for myself. So when we moved into this house, the people that lived there prior, they had some mail still coming.

So one day, I opened up this mail. It looked like it was a check. But it was credit card checks. I don't know if they still make those or not. Yeah, the convenience checks, they would just kind of send them to you. Yeah. Or were they like a prepaid convenience check? Okay, so it was a, it was, there was credit card checks where you could write them out and it would just charge your credit card.

So they was blank. Yeah. So I wrote my name on him. And I was asking, I'm like, oh, man, I got these checks. I'm like,

what can I do with him? Because he's smart as hell when it comes to banking. I got open his mail. He had like 4.6 in one of his accounts. Like prior to like them freezing everything. I'm like, he like,

yeah, they took everything from me. But I'm going to show. He's like, I'm going to get all back. But he's like, I'm going to show you how to get rich. So I was like,

what can I do with these? He was like, well, you can just make one out to yourself, do it for like 8,800. You know, something like. I say light, that's a lot of money. 80 and 100. I said, me, anything is going to go through.

He's like, yeah, just put it, you know, go to the ATM. Back then, they had envelopes at the ATM. This is like 2005. So, like, you could, you had to put your check inside the envelope, then put in the machine and type in how much it was just down the third. You had to really do it that way. Now you just stick the check in and they read it. It knows everything.

It tells if it's bad or not, like all that. But back then, you put it. So when I put the check in there, wrote it out to myself, signed a face, name on there, whatever, and they posted. So now I got $8,800 in my bank account. When they posted, I go to the ATM like a couple of days later. It probably took like two days to post. The money's in my account.

I go and withdraw all the money out in the branch. I'm like, damn, it worked. This really work? I'm like, but how, though? So a few days later, or it doesn't, like, within a week or so, it reverse and drop it? You know what's crazy. Going in a negative?

it did end up going in negative, but it took like a month, though. Okay, well, maybe because they didn't. Back then, because back then, yeah. Well, they didn't catch it. Right. It went through the car, so then the original. So they basically granted me the money. Yeah, yeah, they paid it.

So then the cardholder gets their thing, goes, the hell's going, what? And they have to call, then they'll reverse the charge. But by then, you've got the money, you're gone. The money's already in my pocket. Yeah. So, yes. So that's basically what happened.

So I've screwed that account up. So now I'm in check systems and everything. So now I know like, dang, so this check stuff is real. And I ain't go to jail. They just closed the account. You know, back then when you defrauded like Bank of America, they would put this code on your account saying you negative $889,000 or something like that. Yeah.

Some crazy number. So you can't even get out of the negative if you wanted to. But the car was still on. It was weird. But to make a long story short, I'm like, I got to come up with a plan. I always think about genius things. I'm like, I got to come up with a plan. Give me a group of people and it just turned this thing all the way up.

And that's what I did. I went to the hood and I found all these dudes that was broke, man. I had them working for me. I had them signing people up. And what I would do is I started, like if I sign you up for, I might sign you up for like four or five banks. I get them the money for the deposit and everything. And once I sign you up for the banks, I will order checks.

So every bank account I will open up, I would get personal checks for them. So back then, it took so long for the check to return that you could get the money no matter what you put on the check, they were going to grant you the money and put it in an account. So I'm like, this is really lucrative. This is crazy, man. Like, I'm going to be a millionaire.

And I was. So basically, I got like 20, 30 dudes working for me at the time. This is 05. So the only two banks that I was really focused on back then was Bank of America, Wachovia. That's in 05, Bank of America, Wachovia.

So I knew that when you deposit, with Bank of America, you can get $500 instant. So if I got 20 cards in front of me that I don't roll out personal checks for and everything, I know for a fact that if I drop on these 20

cards, I'm going to get $500 each card. That's $10,000 cash instant that's going in my pocket before they even post. So we came up with a plan. I said, this is what we're going to do. We're going to, I came up with a team. I'm like, everybody meets me at this one bedroom apartment and pick up y'all work. Y'all pick up

all your cards, I'm going to write them out, do everything. And I had a BlackBerry. I think it was a BlackBerry maybe at the time. I would like write down who owes me what and how many cards. I had it like this name. You owe me this. You got to bring this back. You got to bring it.

It was like a system. Everybody would bring me back all the money that they owe. Like it was just, it was like a business for real. And so what is this person doing? This is some guy who's broke. He goes and opens up a bank account, Bank of America. Right. He gets a card.

Right. He gets a debit card. We didn't even wait on the real car. So back then, B-O-A was giving away temp cards. Okay. So I give you $25. You go in the bank. You give them your credentials.

You walk out with a temp card in a folder. You bring it to me. So my workers would get all the folders and bring it all to me. Right. They meet me. I had a little stash crib. They would bring me the folders. And I had people that was at the apartment with me that would write out checks all day.

So it won't be the same signatures. So they would write out checks. for like, okay, you do his, you do his, you do his, I do his, and then we send them out. All they would do is go to the ATMs, drop on them, and then when it posted like 4.30 in the morning, I think 430 was the time that B.O.A. was posting then. The money, everybody's up.

My whole organization, everybody's up at 4.30 at different locations, getting the money off. Drop on them. You're saying just make a deposit for 500 bucks from this. So what we would do is we would drop, it would be more than $500. But they make $500 available right away. So basically we'll write a check for $5,000.

Right. And then you would get $500 in the morning. It would be $4,500. Because they had point of sale limits back then. So like, whatever the point of sale limit was, that's what we would make the checkout for around that ballpark. Okay. So what we would do is once you get the instant,

the next day you get the post. It posts. So then we would get money order. So we would go to Harris Teeter, Walmart. So like, it's weird because like any given Walmart than Charlotte, I go through, I'm going to see somebody that worked for me. So they end up doing the same thing I'm doing. They was in there getting money orders.

So we get the money orders. Then we would put them in our girlfriends, bank accounts, our bank accounts, go cash, man, the check. We turned into cash, man. So we would wipe these joints. This went on for years, man. And then the account just goes in the negative for five grand after a week or two. After week.

But then after we do that, no, sometimes it would stay on for like, but we were getting 5K every day or whatever it was every day. So if I got a car, cars were staying on back then. So I might hit this bank account from Monday all the way to Thursday. So I don't clear $20,000 off one sign up of $25. I invests $25. We got $20K. We paid a head.

We paid them off the top. When the first five go through, huh, go $500. They're happy. Everybody in the hood, we're getting $500. They go find some more people. My aunt want to do it. My grandma want to do it. My cousin wanted to do it.

My mama want to do it. My daddy want to do it. Everybody was doing it. So it got so bad to the point with, like, I was getting too big. So I had to start giving people certain jobs like you do drops you go clean you go find you go sign people up like everybody had their own job And I really managed this from my one cell phone like I did all this myself But at the end of the day I was starting to hire people and they was wanting to be me a lot of people that seen how much money I was making

They wanted to turn into me a lot of guys that and and it's weird because I'm like I turn it you on to some money when you was poor, now you're bigger than me. Right. So they want to go open their own thing. Is that it? So now that I didn't kind of gave them some kind of like formula, when they feel like, I learned this from a lot of criminals that I had, like, really tied a lot to or that I really gave a game to, they'll find out just enough to figure, like, feel like they can just go

run off and do their own thing. And get busted and turn on you. It always go bad. But no, it don't even be that. It just go bad. Like, it's either that scam run out because like when you're doing fraud, right, it's always something new.

If you're in a loop, I'm always being a loop because I'm a big man. So I'm talking to other dudes that's doing all types of fraud and doing other kind of banks. And if you ain't in the loop, you don't know what's new. You don't know that, oh, the Bank of America

ain't doing instant no more. Right. Oh, they're shutting off Tim cars now. So if you don't know that, you're looking stupid. Four or five months down the line, you back broke again because you tried to bite the head

in that feed you. You ran off thinking that you was going going to get rich. And you ain't need me no more. Now you don't got no sauce. We interviewed a chick the other day named Bella. Bella. You know what Bella was doing was she.

So it's similar to that because she knew that people, it wasn't her. It was the first person that what she called her, old head, old head. O. O.G. The O.G. She said her O.G who was initially sending her in the bank. So they had another scam, different type of scam. You're fucking, but you'll love her thing.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, she was good. So they would send her in to buy a bunch of stuff. Like she's just buying stuff with her credit, go to run the credit card. Of course, it declines. Right. And then she's like, oh, no. And she, they would say, do you have another card?

No, call the credit card company. Oh, and then they give you a code. And then she calls and she's calling it. But she's calling up. So they print the card. So on the back of the card, it has the number to call. Yeah. So either they're calling or she's calling, they get on the phone and she's got somebody

on the other end who acts like the credit card company and then says yeah the transaction can go through after asking a bunch of questions and then they give them a code and then she walks out with fucking $9,000, $25,000 with this stuff. They think they got a code from the credit card company. They got nothing. So when they put the code in, it makes the transaction go through? No, they just they override it. Oh.

So there's it. Oh, here's the code and they override it and let her have the stuff. This was this was whatever years ago. Right. Anyway, the point is, when she first started, she said when she would ask questions, like, how's this working to the OG? She was telling her, I have somebody at the credit card company who's giving me codes. I was like, she's doing it, though. Oh, okay.

But I already know what the code is. So she's thinking, okay, she's got somebody. So there's no way around that. She has an inside source. But eventually, they realized, like, you ain't got nobody inside. You're making up the numbers. fucking codes. God so much.

That was sweet. Then she goes and she and her friend go and just try and do it themselves and it goes through. Yeah. Oh, fuck. We're done with her. We don't need you no more. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

So it's the same thing that her initial contact, the, you know, original gangster, her, she had obviously come up with this because that's what happens with everybody, right? Like you hire them, they figure out the system. Yeah, once you find out a little sauce and stuff, yeah, they take off. They take off. They do. And it's sad because a lot of. A lot of times when people take off, I've seen some tragic stories.

Like one dude, he thought he knew what he was doing. He ended up going back, taking the money from fraud and selling drugs again. And they career to him out, he ended up getting like 11, 12 years. But nothing. When you could have just did fraud and just stayed around us and still been up to date on everything. But, you know, I felt like I paid him too much because he was real broke. And when I seen him, I told myself, I'm like, I'm going to change his whole life. And so I ended up taking him to the dealership.

got him a car. He put TVs all through it. He put a, uh, back then I think it was like PlayStation 3. He put the latest PlayStation there. It was built in the car. Like, he put the, uh, the 20-inch rims on that, man. It was just, I took him, he got some jury. Like, he just thought he was, yo, John Gotti. Right. And, um, yeah, he got ahead of itself. And, uh, now he just worked. I'd be seeing him on Instagram and stuff, but he don't do no crimes or nothing. He's an old man now. Because when he got out of prison, he probably just like, boy, I ain't going back in the ain't doing nothing. You ever see you ever notice that like I I some of these guys it's like okay you can go get a job making a hundred grand Not that anybody can but let let's say it almost feels like this to some of these guys

Especially in drugs especially with guys that were raised in the projects right here's what I think happens is if you said to them You can make a hundred thousand dollars working this job or a hundred thousand selling drugs they'd rather sell drugs because because of the lifestyle It's exciting it is feel like you're getting over Like you're on like a, it's like you're in the, in the underworld. Schaming. Yeah, you're exactly. And it sounds fucked up to anybody who's working at. I feel like people love you more.

Well, I was saying people that are normal people that went to high school, got a job, got out, graduated. They're working in a factory right now. And for you to say, hey, yeah, I felt like I was in, you know, like I was a part of this secret society. To them, they're probably thinking, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But if you were in it, you had that mindset, you grew up around that. And that's what you saw. You feel like, no, no, I'm, I've got the inside scoop. You guys, even though you're making the same money and you're going to go to jail,

right. You feel like you're like they're suckers for working, but I know, I really know. Like, it's just, it doesn't even make sense. It don't make sense. We're making the same money. Yeah. And I'm probably going to go to prison. I'm going.

Yep. They'd rather do it. Some guys would just rather do it. Yeah. I mean, most people, I mean, their products are the environment. So you've seen how your OGs did it and you just like, I'm just doing it. But then it comes a point of time when you got to retire from it. Yeah.

But I mean, it's almost like the real estate thing. It's like, I'm committing fraud. I'm not even able to spend all the money. I'm not like, why didn't I just, I could have just flipped fucking houses, you know, and kept the money and kept going. I wouldn't have made as much, but what does it matter? I don't drive Ferraris and Lamborghinis. If you gave me $10 million right now, I wouldn't buy a Ferrari.

I don't know that anything would change really at all. I'd still show up here on Tuesday for our next podcast. Oh, God. So, I mean, I don't, but yeah, boy, it's that, you know, it is that little. It's the rush. And I'm going to be honest with you, like, drugs and alcohol play a part in being a criminal, too. Okay. Like, because most criminals do drugs.

If they don't do drugs, they drink, they do something. Yeah. Because you're addicted to something more than the money. Like, don't get me wrong, I was addicted to the money, but it was really the thrill, the drugs, the women. It's a whole life time, man. Like instead of me having one girl, I got three girls with me. And they all, they don't care.

And they want to be with drug dealers. They do. Like, so you're a gorgeous chick. What are you dating this fucking guy for? He's going to go to prison. He's a fucking drug dealer. He's got, because they're fascinated. Yeah, he's walking around with guns.

His buddies have guns. They're all dangerous people. You could go date this guy who's an accountant, but to them, he's boring. He's corny. Oh, he's a cornball. I don't like him. That's just ridiculous. He ain't fun.

He don't even drink. He don't even smoke. He don't want to go to the club. The most stupidest things. it's like make girls not like dudes and it's weird. Or like I'm going to tell you it's a little funny story. But so recently I told myself that I'm going to try to just stop drinking. So I went 30 days without drinking.

And I noticed like people that normally call me and people that want to hang out, they don't call me no more. Right. Because they like, he ain't cool no more if he ain't drunk because they used to seeing me always turned up and just happy. But I'm like, man, you know, I want to be healthy. Like my son probably going to be in the NFL. a couple years, like, I want to see it. So if I'm getting drunk every day and partying every day, like, I'm getting old.

I ain't 20 no more. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like, when you get 40, like, life changes to the point with like. Listen, everything ain't running. It's not running on all 12 cylinders anymore. Oh, my God. I'm on a full cylinder right now. Yeah, I was going to say, I'm lucky if a few of them are just fucking pumping.

I mean, I'll bend over and pick and go to tie my shoe and pull something in my back. I'm telling you, man. I'm telling you, man. I went to start working out again, man. and that first day killed me so bad, I stopped. I'm like, I need to lose some weight and trim down, do some walking first, then get back in there. Because, man, when you older, man, it's different, your body different.

You got a 40-something year old body trying to, like, do what you did when you was 20. It's not happening, man. Listen, my biggest fear is, and I know people in their 50s, matter of fact, my literary agent that was coming to see me when I was in prison, right, in the true crime stories, you understand? This guy was, I think he was 55. four or 55. And this is when I was still in my 40s, right?

Like, I'm in my mid-40s. Right. And he's like 55, and he went to bed one night and didn't wake up. Damn. Just died, heart attack. Boom, done, over. Rossi back. It's over.

Yeah. Listen, this guy was not 60 pounds or weight. This guy was five pounds overweight at best. He used to, he had a treadmill every morning, did a treadmill. Like, he worked out in everything. Like, what's going? He wasn't like working out at the gym, but he was walking. I don't think he was a jogger, but he was, he did time on it.

He did every, every day, he's walking whatever, 45 minutes on the treadmill. He's not, he's not, he was, he was a picture of hell for a 55 year old man and just went to bed one day and died. And so, you know, so, and I also, I know guys that had, when they were in their 40s and had, um, heart attacks in prison, didn't die, but they did have a heart attack. I know guys in their 50s that had strokes and they're walking around paralyzed half their face their half their body they're limp listen and my mom had a stroke

and for the last four years of her life they're pushing around in a wheelchair my biggest fear is listen and my mom had money like she had the best care it doesn't matter bro you're in a fucking wheelchair she had 24 hour

a 24 hour nurses she had three nurses working around the clock for four years and by the time she finally passed away, almost broke, almost completely destitute. So, I mean, she was just about to run out of money when she had a final stroke and killed her. My biggest fear is, I tell my wife this all the time. My biggest fear is I end up having a stroke and I can't work, but I have to be taken care of. Now, if I thought, hey, if somebody told me, look, Matt, I promise you, you'll have, when you go, you'll have a massive heart attack, it'll just be over. Do you know how much better I'd feel? Yeah. I'd be like, because you ain't got a feeling. and go through the pain of still suffering. Well, no, I don't have to have anybody take care of me for five years in a wheelchair.

Yeah. So I got to rely on people for four or five years and then die. I can't walk around. I can't. No, absolutely not. I swear. And that's, and people don't realize that. You're starting to realize that.

That's what could happen. That terrifies me. Yeah, because I started like, man, I'm, man. Because I caught COVID. Remember when everybody was dying, their first crime? I had twice. Well, I probably had like, yeah, like three or four times now. but the first one, I almost died.

Didn't I tell you that? The first one for 10. I was in the hospital for 16 days straight. Oh, you were in the hospital? I couldn't get out of bed. I could. I was this close to calling and saying I might need to go. I called the police on myself.

I hit 911 say I feel like I'm going to die. And at the time, the girl that I was dealing with, she was in Vegas. So I'm at another chick's house fin to die. But she got it too. We both got it. But we don't know. I'm like, I know I'm sick, but it's like, man, man, it got so bad to the point where I woke up the morning that I called 911,

I couldn't walk, so I crawled. I crawled to the bathroom. By this time, man, my organs, I felt like they were shutting down. Like, I was pissing blood, man. It was bad. And I said, please. I thought they were going to have to bust the door down, but I was able to crawl to the front door and unlock it.

And they put me on the scratcher, but my oxygen was at like 77. they was like, oh my God, we're glad you called us. You would have been dead, man. And then I'm like, man, just please. I say every time I go to the hospital, they send me home talking about it's, it ain't no cure for it. I say, please don't send me home, man. I know that I'm sick.

I feel like I'm going to die. Like, I feel it. Please save my life. So I get to the hospital and they was like, basically, yeah, yeah, we got to keep you and this, then and third. But when I was in the hospital, just laying up. this nurse walked in. She said, you have an eight in like three or four days.

She said, every time I come in this room, you stay in the same spot. She said, you're going to die. She said, you're too young to die, though. She says, people in here 80, 90 years old fighting for their life. She said, get up. She said, get up out to bed. She said, move around.

You say, if you want to die? I say, no, I want to die. I'm in here because I don't want to die. She said, well, if you don't get up and move around, you need to move around. You need to eat. She said, I say, but I don't got an appetite. I can't taste.

I can't smell. she said you force yourself to eat she said i'm going to go get you a whole bunch of fruit get you a couple turkey burgers don't eat the bread just eat your meat she's like give you some strength she said walk around she say pace man that lady can't that lady left out of that room man i start crying i say dang this lady don't even know me and she she's the she really telling me that if i don't get up i'm a die like she cared about me that much to tell me she's like i watch people die in this hospital every day she said you don't have to go out like that She said, get up, man.

They couldn't get me back in that bed. When she came back with that food, man, I started aggravating them people, man. I was getting, I was, you know, you got like a little buzzer where you can just butt, man. I was getting all kind of stuff. Ice cream. I'm getting up, man. They got a box. It was crazy.

The crazy part of my whole existence in that hospital was when she was giving me that speech, she said, you believe in God, don't you? I see you got a Bible. I said, that ain't my Bible. It was already in his sake. It's God talking to you. The last person that was in there left the Bible. Right.

So I'm in that reading the Bible. Like, now, by like four or five days after that speech, everything's starting to turn around. Like, my body feel a little better. I'm about 70%. Man, by day 15, I tested negative. And my homeboy, I called him like, man, come get me. They're going to discharge me, man.

And I end up catching COVID after that, but I never got as sick as I ever got that first time. That first time, man, my aunt and then was calling me. They had the preacher on the phone. Like, they thought I wasn't going to make it. people was hit me up on the gram like, look, man, I'm sorry, bro. Like, I hate it had to be you types, you know, like, they had counting me out because everybody was dying.

They was like, if you're in the hospital already, you're already gone. Yeah. Because, like, famous people was dying. So I'm like, they know, I know his health care ain't better than theirs, but I made it out. God had a different, you know, he had a different story from me. But yeah. Yeah, I was going to say, let's go back to, yeah. Back to the fraud, though.

Yeah. So, yeah, so I had, so I had these guys working. for me. So I had like a system to where I had everybody had their own job. So you said people were going off and doing their own thing, trying, trying. So when they, when they was trying to do their own thing, all of them failed, man. And I just kept going. So I started finding out about other banks. So I was still hitting like Wachovia, Bank of America, SunTrust back then. I think they might be truest now. But, B, B&T, like I was just hitting all the local banks, man, RBC Centaur, I believe. the credit unions, anything I get my hands on.

So I was trying to, it got so bad, I tried to turn into a, like, I fell in love with doing fraud so much to the point. I wanted to learn everything about the bank. It got so bad to, I was, I would call about an account, a discrepancy with an account, and I knew more than the person on the other line.

I was like, no, what you got to do is you got to, you got to transfer me, and they have to verify these transactions to lift the hole. Because like, no, it's a hard hole. I say, no, they, They'll lift it. It's been, I had a block before. I know what I'm talking about.

And then it'll work. I'll be knowing more than what they know and they work there. I'm like, it's crazy. It got so bad. Okay, so let me tell you about this bank. It was called First Charter. This bank, how I found out about this bank was because I ran out of checks. It came in time with like we couldn't get our hands on like the checks that we needed.

It was just one of those weeks, man. The town was dry. It was dry. It was dry Because I had dudes that was like breaking in cars and stuff And getting checks and stuff And then I had people sign up But things kind of slowed down

Because I turned into the dude I stopped signing people up Because like most people that I had Working for me on signups They just stopped calling me And they start doing it themselves They're like we don't need him So like I ended up getting aged accounts

Like I'm meeting people that's done had Wachovia for 10 years And I'm going big on big Like I'm dropping 15,000 in your account 20,000 in your account Like I'm 30,000 Like I don't forget I had this one guy It's in my indictment

He was in NASCAR school And I took that situation And took advantage of it So I called the girl that I had working in the bank Remember the girl I was telling you about? Yeah She worked Well how did you get her

Get to her Okay So this dude that I was like He was like my little protege back in the day I was letting him run with me He had her sister He had a baby by her sister So I found out

He called me one day He said boy I got the ultimate come up He said boy My baby mama sister Then work at the bank I'm like man Plug me in man

He like I got you He was like So he ended up calling her In the car with me And he was like look We're gonna pay you But we're gonna need some information So she's just wanted

She's like okay I do it You know like it's whatever Like they want money Like it's cool So we did a little test run And this guy we had that he found He was in NASCAR school He was going to be a NASCAR driver

It was weird But I mean he was in school To be a NASCAR driver So we would put tuition on the checks And she was like Oh yeah his limit high I guess he had a joint account With his parents or something like that

So their limit was like outrageous So like we was writing checks for like I started out low I was doing like 9,000, but I would do four checks a day. I'll take him to four different Wachovius because what I did back then, what I did at the last bank,

it's like they didn't, I knew I could go to at least three or four banks and they wouldn't know that I just left another bank. Or they would have to look it up to see that. So at the end of the day, I would take him for like a week and a half.

We would cash three to four checks a day with him, man. How much is that? How much is it? Oh, man. So we're like 30-something thousand a day. So what was it around 2,300,000? Yeah, it was up there because that was like one of the main things that it was like 233,000 that we got off his account. It was like, it was up there, man.

But I'm splitting it with my homeboy at the time and the dude that's what that's in on it. But we giving him a look. We gave him like 2,000, we didn't give him no real money. But he's liking that because he likes, too, man. It's good for me. I ain't got no money like that. Like you give me 3, 4,000 free. I'm with that.

So when we fell, remember I told you, she ended up going to the feds because, like I said, we had a one-night stand and she said she had got pregnant or whatever, and I was avoiding her. So she told him, like, if he don't talk to me, I'm going to the fed. She just kept preaching that, kept preaching that.

So eventually, she ended up going to the feds. Wait, wait a minute. So, wait a minute. So you're, you bang this chick. Right. And so, this is stuff we talked about before, though. Right. Off the thing.

Right. She got factuated with you. She was obsessed with me. And was texting you, calling you, whatever. Because, like, I was trying to give her money, and she was like, I don't really want no money. Like, I want you. So, I mean, like, I mean, if you don't want no money, then I'd come over there and hit you. You know what I'm saying?

Like, it ain't not for me to come over there. We were getting drunk. You know, we have a good time. And then she was cool. so like even though she wouldn't really like the typical girl that I would really be dealing with I liked her personality because I'm like she cool and she'll plug for real.

Right. Like I need her. Are your, are other people getting busted? Nobody's getting busted. Nobody's going to jail at this time. Okay. It's to the point where like we got, we're making so much money.

It's like nobody's going to jail though because like nobody really knows outside of the crew what we're doing. They're still thinking, I'm selling drugs. Like people that see me. Well, still, no, I'm still saying you're saying these people are, some people are, they're opening accounts, they're depositing stolen checks.

Right. And so they're just, their accounts are going in the negative. And so the banks are just saying, okay, well, this person open an account or maybe it's an older account. And so we're just going to either pay that or the, or the account, the new account now goes in the negative. We'll put it on check systems. And they'll take care of it at some point.

It got to the point. And so it's not really turning into an investigation yet. No, it ain't no investigation. I'm going to tell you how I got into an investigation, but she was a part of it. But with Bank of America, they would just close the countdown. It was too many people doing it, man.

Yeah. It was just overwhelming. Like, if we're going to lock this person up, we got to lock up a thousand more people. Right. So it's like, we can't lock these people up because we know it's not the head that's doing it. It's some other people behind us,

but we don't got time. Because we would branch out. Like, I had people that worked in Greensboro. I had people that worked in Raleigh. I had people from South Carolina, like other states that bring me cards. Like, my, my network had got real big.

Like, I had people in Florida. Like, I had people everywhere. So, like, it was kind of different for me because you can never really keep a tail on me because you never know what I'm up to. And I never really did the same bank constantly. I always bounced around. I'll come back to you. Like, I might not do a B-O-A.

I might just tell people, don't even bring me them right now. Focus on this bank. Go sign people up with First Charter. Because what had happened was that bank I was telling you, about First Charter when I ain't had no checks. My partner called me. I can't say his name right now because he's famous. But back then, he called me and he was like, boy, you ain't going to believe this.

Every envelope you put, he said, boy, I ain't had no checks. I put a blank envelope in there and it posted. He said, but he said every time I put an envelope in that, it credits the account instant. I said, you got to be kidding. Well, the machine doesn't know yet that there's no check. They don't know. Just know something was deposited. It's supposed to be a check in it.

Right. They punched it in. It's a claren't. And he just punching anything. You put one, you put 10,000. Right. So, like, if you put it in before,

I believe it was 7 o'clock back then, it would be there the next day. So my genius mind thinking, I'm like, oh, I'm on a song. Man, so we figured out that we would hold all our cars that we get people to sign up for this bank until Friday. and have a field day all weekend because we would just, we would go around

we wouldn't even waste our checks on that bank. That's a bank that we may go out of business without them even. We didn't even have, it wouldn't no check fraud. It was fraud, but it wasn't from no checks. It was basically from blank envelopes. Man, so fifth third ended up buying that bank out. That bank don't exist no more.

Like, I really truly believe that we was like the main reason why that bank went out of business because once people, once the city, found wind of it, man. You got to think when they come down to the check game, I was like big meets to Charlotte. Like I was the first to really, like I seen, man, it's deep. Like,

the first page of my indictment was me and my best friend in a Rose Royce. You feel me? Like, we was kids for it. We was in our 20s getting it like this, man. Like, we, like, it was larger in life, but we didn't even understand how big we was because we were so busy

just getting the money. Like, so make a long story short, though. So, we ran that bank crazy. We was going to buy jury. We'll go to the mall, man. So we load the cars up they post. We'll go all weekend. We shop until we drop. It got so bad. After the mall were closed, East LaMall were closed, the jury store would let us open. We would shop after hours. Even the clothing stores, like limbs and all them old clothing stores that was at East LaMall, they would let us come after the mall were closed. They would stay open for us so we can really take our time and spend money, man. And we had it all, man. There's no reason for you guys.

to mix with the commoners. You're better than that now. We were so big to the point with like, it was really a request from like one of my homeboys like, man, we're gonna make them just

because we, you know, back then we always wanted to like be like the big gangster. Like we seen like, I watched this documentary about Rayford Edmond

and they was doing it. So I'm like, man, we're gonna make them, we're gonna shop out to the mall closed too. Like we're important too. Like we're making money

like them too. You feel me? And it worked out. You know what I'm saying? So fast forward. we're hitting banks, we're hitting banks. So everybody got people that's working for them now. So now it's like an organized crime ring for real.

And it's got to be everywhere then. It's everywhere. Like it's so bad. It's to the point people running up to me, man. People might see me out. And like I remember one time, he's my partner to this day. This dude, he ended up catching a fed bid too. They was called a free band game.

But I bet they was on CNN too. They was big, but they was like an offspring of they seeing us do it, then they did it. I ain't saying that they took it from us, but they was after us. You get what I'm saying? And they did. But they came from workers. Like they came from like, like I say the dude that worked for me, he hired one of them, and they learned the game, and then he hired people.

You know how I'd be. But I had got out of the feds. And he seen me, and he couldn't believe it. He was like, man, he basically was telling me he was my hero. You know what I'm saying? And I didn't even understand that he knew me, but I didn't know him. But it's like, dang, people really love me. I have people really like look up to me.

And I felt good about that. That's the most notoriety in the streets is like the best part of it. It makes you feel better than the money. Like this for people knowing like, man, he's the man. Like that makes you feel good by itself. Even if, man, you know, once you start making money, man, and you don't really, you care about the money because you're still in the game, but it's like I'm already past that step.

I ain't in love with the money no more because it's going to come anyway. I'm in love with the feeling of this lifestyle now. Like when I do come out, like, man, I was having birthday bash. I had two rose rushes at the club, man. You feel me? Like, I was doing it big like that.

Then I got girls out there fighting over me, man. It was crazy, man. Like, it's just the lifestyle. And like, I ain't going to lie. If I ever had to, like, I wouldn't change none of it. I love the experience of all that. Like, everything was just good, man. I ain't going to go do it.

again, but the story is just so beautiful, man, because I just sit back and reminisce sometimes, like, dang, boy, I remember, because now I'm just a regular dude. And like, a lot of, a lot of Peewees see me, they'd be like, dang, OG, man, well, I remember you had this. I remember you had there. I remember you had the Ben's, the Louis Vuitton. I say, man, you know, that's the old, you know, I'm an OG now. Like, I ain't into that no more. I'm just an old man. I'm a gambler now. Like, that's all I do now. Like, I just, sports, sports bad. Like, that's it. And this, you know, my little foot detox company, you know, my little stuff like that. But, you know, I don't do too much now.

But back then, man, like, it was crazy because I ain't think I was going to ever get cut. So when they started closing in, like I said, she claimed she got a target letter from the feds, but I know that was a lie. You had already talked to him before then. Because when I was blasting her and telling people, and she's the police, like, stay away from her. Don't talk to her. Don't mention my name. Like, she was telling people like, no, I got a target letter.

they made me come talk to them. So what happens? So she's calling you. You're trying to kind of... She's like, I'm pregnant with your baby. You know, like... But I'm like, that's not my baby. Like, I'm telling like, look, you need...

But I was trying to convince her at the beginning. I'm like, you know, you're messing up a good thing for us as far as... Because you got to think, once I start avoiding her, she really never could, like, we couldn't get no more money. But I couldn't get no more information out of it. She was just like a dud to me. Like, okay, I don't need you no more. You ain't going to give me no more information

and I ain't going to fool with you or be with you so it's over with. And it's sad because my child's, my son's mom was her best friend in school. So it was already dirty. I felt like I did my baby mom dirty by even doing that.

But I'm like, we went together at the time, not really. And then everybody got skeletons in their closet. You know, like everybody done did some dirt as far as being in a relationship. Like everybody didn't got cheated on and stuff. So, and then I'm young. So I mean, I guess I could use it as an excuse.

I was telling you earlier the When you told me this story earlier The first thing there's a a comedian And he said he was he was he was he's like I was messing with this girl And she you probably seen this and he said he's like and she comes to me and she's like I'm I'm pregnant. I was like Oh man and and it's yours and I'm gonna have it and he's and he's And I'm like, you know, fuck, you know, like I don't want to be like, no, don't.

Like, you need to get rid of this. You need to take care of this. And he's like, I don't want to say that. And I'm all like, oh, man. He said, then like a couple of weeks later, he goes, she has a miscarriage. He goes, and I got to be all acting like, oh, no. He's like, no, not the baby. Yeah, that's Cory Holcomb.

You know what? I see him. He just used that in the stand-up when I went to go see him in Columbia. It was, listen. Oh, that was so funny. It was. I got a fake man like I'm mad. We're going to try again.

Like, no. He said, boy, the back of his body. He's like, ooh, thank you God. Well, Dodger Boeh, God. It was one of those times I'm watching it laughing and I'm like, you're a horrible person for laughing at this. Like, just me laughing at you being a horrible. It was a joke, but it was fun. I mean, it wouldn't a joke to him, but it was funny as hell.

It's horrible. And it don't be that you don't want to have kids or you got something against kids, but it's like, I don't want to have a kid by you. Right. And that's why I was at with it because, I mean, I'm like, I don't want to have a baby by you. Right. Because it's going to mess up the money and what we got going on. And it's just not right.

Like, we had a one night standing and you got pregnant. Well, she said she got pregnant. You're saying she ended up having the baby. No, she had the baby. And you're like, and it's not yours, though. Yeah. And that's when she really went full-fledged on, like, being cooperative. So what happened?

She goes in. So she's pissed at you. She knows what's going on. She goes in and just be honest. She just went in there and was honest about everything. She told them everything that she knew. And she ended up still going to the fair. So she got indicted too.

And she ended up getting like four months. They sent us like a women's camp or something like that. But, um, you know. So is that, you think that's kind of what started the whole thing? I mean, it's not hard to pit once you, you've got some of who's going, this bank, this bank, this, this is what's how it's, they put it together for them. put it together. So then we had this guy that worked.

So once first charter got shut down, here comes fifth third bank. So we dogging them, though. So by this time, I got a whole, I'm getting so many, I got so much paperwork. I got bags and bags of checks. Even when the checks go bad, like when they get flagged in the system, I would take, like, an object, like we call it the scraper, and I scrape a number off or I change a number, and then the computer systems at the ATMs wouldn't be able to identify that there was a, a bad check.

So, like, say if it's like the last account numbers end, then, like, 7099, I would turn that nine into a four. Right. Like, I'd chop the top of it off, and then it'll read as a four in the ATM,

and it'll go through. But with fifth third, if you dropped before, we had it, where you dropped before seven at night, you did a deposit, it would be there the next morning around five. We told them a bad, Like, I want to say me and one of my partners, he got indicted before me on his own conspiracy. Me and him used to come back down that highway man with hundreds of thousands of dollars in money orders, man.

Like, over the weekend, like, we would hold a card to Friday because you can't take off but $4,500 point of sale. No, it was $4,000 point of sale, $500 at the ATM, $510 ATM, $4,000 point of sale. But guess what? He put me on something. He was like, look, man. I dropped a 20 ball on one of them fifth thirds. He said, man, you can call and raise the limit if the bunny in there already. You call them.

You let them know, like, look, man, I'm going to go. I get on the phone with him. Look, hey, how are you doing today? I'm going to do a large purchase. I'm going to buy a car and I'm going to use my car at point of sale. Could you raise my limit to my available balance, please? Oh, yeah, no problem, sir. They'll put them on hold and then that come out.

Everything's been raised. So you'll have this limit for the next 48 hours. and then it'll go back to your regular normal limits. Let us know if there's anything else that we can do for you and get out the phone. And man, I go get straight money orders. I don't care how much it was on that, man. And the car wouldn't lock up or nothing.

Get it all off. So instead of us having to wait all weekend and take off 4,500 a day, we could take it all off the next day. So they had this guy that worked at 5th. He still works there because I had an account with them. I got to tell you this crazy story. So I guess out of federal prison, and I'm going to go back to this.

he still works there. So I go to one of the branches to withdraw money out of my account to go buy me a car when I come home in 2016. So I had to withdraw like a large amount of cash. So they had like called me back into this office. But I'm like, oh, this is like my money.

Like I ain't doing no fraud. This ain't no check stuff. Only kind of deposits I make is cash anyway. So they was like, yeah, we just need you to talk to securities, security, loss prevention or something, whatever his name,

whatever his job description is. And lo and behold, he gets on the phone and it's him. But you know what? I took from that, he's seen my name. He knew he got us indicted.

He was one of the biggest reason why we got indicted. And he wanted to rub it in my face that he still worked there and I'm watching you. Because when he got on the phone, yeah, yeah. Kenneth Foglesby.

He said, I say, yeah, how are you doing? So right, in my hard job. I'm like, what the? I'm thinking they're going to try to like freeze my money. Yeah. And not give me my money. Because I got like a pretty decent amount of money in there from, you know, so he, he said, yeah, we just need to verify some information to make sure as you. So he asked me a whole bunch of dumb questions.

Like, okay, you're like, you give her the phone back. And you're like, he's good. So they give me that money back. I went to, man, I flew up out of that bank. I went to the next. And I was so mad because I'm like, he's just really like timing me at this point. because before we got indicted, one of my little workers had done,

did, I don't know if you remember a TLO where you could like get people information and stuff. Okay, well, it was this little thing where you can get people. Anyway, I don't know how he got it. But he got all his information. What he did was he found out all his family information and he called and texted him from a burnout phone.

It was like, look, I know where your kids go to school at. I know where your wife works out. know where you live at. Like, you need to stay out of our business or else. So, like, he made it. But all this was an indictment. So he made it his business to help take us down. He's like, I'm going to get them.

Because, like, he was so equipped with trying to take us down that he would stay at work extra hours until the drop times would go past 7 o'clock. Then he would go home. I never forget one time, me and my homeboy, King Carter, we was, at the ATM uptown and I dropped on my cards and he dropped on his and before we could even get back in the range rover he called the phone because we would change our burnout phone numbers to the number on account so we could like have access to stuff he said oh yeah uh y'all can sleep in late tomorrow none of those checks ain't going to go through and tell philip he looked good on

camera too, tell him I'm going to catch up with him around Thanksgiving. Yeah, because he won't make it to Christmas. So I'm like, he's looking, I don't know what type of system they got, but he was able to see the deposits and then look on the camera, zoom in, see who it was, because he's seen me, he knew me. By this time, they know who I am. Like, by this time, the feds then came past my mom house, like, look, they need to stop. He need to stop while he's ahead.

They're not trying to arrest us right now. They just want us to stop. Like, the feds sat in my mom living around. woman was like, we listen to his music. He's a great rapper. Like, we just feel like he needed just focus on his music career. It stopped to frown these banks. He said, because I really truly believe he can make it as a

rapper because he's decent. And my mom, like, well, you know, all I know is he do music. I don't know nothing outside. My mom, she might protect him. She ain't telling them nothing. Right. But they had to stop by her house so many times, man, wanting to try to get me to come over there. But, you know, I'm invading him because, like,

I'm not coming over there. I'm not talking to nobody. Because I'm like, y'all go catch me. y'all just come get me. So we had to come up with a system to figure out how we can still get this money from fifth third and beat the clock, beat him out of his own game. So my home buddy, I told you they got indicted before me. He came up with this jeans idea. He said, listen, we need to go with a time difference and then drop.

He had been sneaking doing it by itself. Then he told me when it worked. So he went and did a test run and it worked for him. He said, man, I just hit for $130,000. Yeah, he said everything in there. I cleaned up this whole weekend, raised limits, all this. So now we're driving up to Ohio.

We're driving to other states that we know the time difference at. So Fifth Air Bank was originated in Ohio. This state Maine, like, so we're going up there. And so we know it's 7 o'clock in Charlotte is over with. All the states we went to, or at first we was just going to different states that we knew that, like, if he see a drop in another state, he can't see it. So that worked for a little while.

Then he started catching that. I'm like, how is he catching it? But come to find out, we had to stop opening up accounts in Charlotte. If the account got opened up in Charlotte, it would come to his desk. All the new accounts, no excuse me. Yeah, all the new accounts would come to his desk. So he would flag them. So then he got clever after we started going to the different states getting the money.

He started setting the point of sale limits to $1. So now you got $30,000 on this card and you're like, dang, I just use it for some gas, but the gas on hold a dollar. And now your point of sale is gone for the rest of the day because he said it at a dollar. So, because I never forget, I had this lady's card, right? I called like I was her. Like, I used to disguise my voice like I was a female. Like, hey, how are you doing today?

I'm trying to take the hold off my, they're like, there's no hold on your account. She's like, for some strange reason, your point of sales is an dollar. Let me change that. I'm like, yeah. Could you raise it to the maximum limit that I have available in my account? I'm trying to purchase a car today. Oh, yeah, no problem, ma'am. I don't know how that happened.

Now, we've been seeing this happen a lot lately, but, yeah, we'll go right in and they're going and raise it back and say when he see that, it really made him furious. You're like, oh, they don't win behind my back. They're raising limits now. Like, it was like he was just my arch enemy, man. But he used to always call certain people's phone that he had their numbers and like, yeah, y'all are making the Thanksgiving, but y'all won't make it to Christmas. but he stood on every word he said,

we made it through Thanksgiving, we made it through Christmas, but right after New Year's, I never forget it was January, the 24th, 2014, we got indicted. They took down all of us. They had different teams. Like, he was right,

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I'm like, I'm going to get the new. It was like a Jaguar X-F I was going to go get at the time. I'm like, I'm going to wake up and go get the car. I never, I woke up, but I didn't get the car because at 5 a.m., they was at the door. Secret Service, they beat on the door, man. I look out of the window. They got the house surrounded. They're running through the back.

They're on the sides. All these unmarked cars. I'm like, I can't believe it because I ain't never seen anything like this. I'm like, what's going on? So we had to wait the kids up. So my people at the time, she went downstairs. And I'm like, just let them in. So I went and hid my cell phone.

That's how they tracked me. I found that out later in the motion of discovery. So like, they did not leave. Like, they came at 5 a.m. We did not leave my house until the sun was coming. It was like 8 o'clock in the morning. They combed that whole house down. until they found that phone.

And then once they found the phone, they was trying to get me to open it because they knew that everything they needed to see was going to be in that phone. They never got in that phone. And it's just the wildest story that I'd be telling people.

I end up getting my phone back with all the information. My lawyer got my phone back. She was cold. That's what I say back then. She was like, oh, I'm getting all your stuff back. They gave my phone back. I got jury back.

I couldn't get no cash back or not like that. But I got a lot of my stuff back. My lawyer was like, yeah, you can just go over there. It's in property. Like, go get your stuff. Go get your phone. Matter of fact, I sent my sister. I signed it over something.

Let her go get it. Like, I ended up getting that phone back. And so when I got out of prison, I still had all this illegal stuff in that phone. I mean, I ended up throwing the phone away or whatever, getting rid of it. But because I ain't need it anymore. It was retro. All that sauce was gone anyway.

What was the guy that we talked to? The feds came in and they were like, he's like, listen, man, I need to call my wife. And he goes, yeah, yeah, give me his phone back. He said, you can call her. And he picked it up. And he picked it up and bo bo bo bo bo and the guy snatched the fucking phone out. I was saying here. Go ahead and change the fucking code.

Oldest trick in the book. Yeah, all the trick in the book. Fuckers. Yeah, man. So basically like, yeah, so we got picked up, man, and we was all over the news again. And my homeboy at the time, he was a rapper. He was signed to Sony. They interviewed him coming out of the federal courthouse.

He was like, man, you know, I'm going to send you that clip to. It was funny because, like, they really. really gave him hell about that. They're like, man, he out there talking like he, Nino Brown or something like that, man. But he was out there saying basically, like he didn't know what was going on and he don't know why they're indicted him.

Because really, to be honest with you in his defense, and I really hate to give him his defense right now because I'm still mad at him. But he was really guilty by association. Yeah. Because he was a rapper. He really wouldn't do what we was doing. But he was my best friend.

So it's like he was just around us. So it's like you end them pictures. Like the front page of indictments, me and him in the Rose Royce. That's my God. I've known him since we was young. You know, like that was my partner. You know what I'm saying? Still love him to this day.

I ain't spoke to him in a few years, but he was like guilty by association. That's why I'm like, dang, they indicted him and he didn't even do nothing. Just for being. That's when I knew the feds. I said, boy, they planned a dirty game. Just for being there. Man, they indicted this. My other, I had another girlfriend that got indicted with us.

she um they indicted her because the dude one of the dudes that was a star witness that testified against my homeboy in trial i sent her to meet i sent her to meet him at fifth third to drop on a bank account and he had the agents following him so he was working with the agents before he got before we got indicted we called him stand the man he was working with them or they were followed they were following him in 2013 or It was like, it was like before we got indicted. Dave basically like was, he was working already and we didn't know it. Okay.

He'd been busted for something else? I basically got her indicted by accident. So he'd been busted for something else and co-operated? Yeah, he had been getting caught with. Like, he had, I think he had like a stolen car charge. Like, he had changed the vans on the car and a gun charge. But he only got, he ain't get no time. I want to say he got a 95% reduction.

He was, man, he stood up, man. They're proud of him. That dude right there. he's yeah he to this day like he he he legendary for the telling he done did not just on my case but they say he told on his cousin like they said in federal court they was like everybody got to go yeah they was like he's been working with us since 2008 I'm like what we're in 14 I don't had I don't had this rat around me the whole time I'm talking about loved them to death like would have did anything for him probably would have killed for him you know listen I I knew I met a guy in

prison. And we were talking. And he was, he was just waiting to go home. And he was like, and he had been, listen, he'd been in and out of prison like five or six times. And I was like, what happened? I said, what are you doing? Because, oh, he told me, I got to go call.

He's like, I'm actually going to call my agent. And I went, why? And he goes, I get him put money on my books. He puts four or five hundred bucks on my books every month. And I went, I said, yeah, but you're like done with that dude, right? I said, you're done. And he is, I don't know, I'm going to get out and keep working. He is what happens is I keep, he is, I'm able to, he's, I've been doing this for like 15 years.

He said, he is, he is, I get, I do shit. So I collect on, he says, you know, because I'm, I'm everything. He says, I'm selling everything from guns to credit cards to do, like, he's doing everything, drugs, to everything. And he's like, so what I do is, I get people into a position where I get enough information on them. And then I have, I tell the agent, we, he is, I set the guy up. He gets busted. But in the meantime, I'm doing all kinds of stuff. So anytime, if I do get jammed up, he'll get me out of it.

He got to get out of jail free card because he working so hard. Right. And he said, every once in a while, something will happen. And he explained one or two cases where if something happened, he's like, yeah, there's nothing I can do, bro. He's like, but don't worry, you're going to have to do about 18 months. They're saying, he's like, oh, they're saying 10 years. They ain't going to be 10 years. He goes, and I'll put money on your books.

And he was, because he's like a, he's a very, very good confidential informant. He's given this guy guns, silencers. He's given him, I mean, he's just, this guy's made his whole career. Wow. The agent, and the agents will tell you this because we've interviewed him. They're like, look, a good informant, like, they'll make your career. Yeah. They will make your whole career.

What was the drug guy? It's crazy. The guy I did it was a remote. And he was talking about when this guy retired, he's calling him. He's like, you made my, 20 years of him busting drug dealers for him. And he's like, you made my career. career. Remember the guy had a beard? He had older guys in California had a beard and white beard. Yeah, he's like a doctor. Yeah, he's like Washington.

Now he's like a doctor's a biker at a time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, made his whole career. Dr. Hal Bradley. That's right. And so. And he in mind, he was a, he was a, he was a drug smuggler forever, but then I think he found out that basically like he was trying to leave. Like he'd made enough money and wanted to leave. And they were like, no, you're not leaving the organization. He was like, he's like I started realizing like oh no like I they're going to just use him yeah they're gonna you're gonna stay here and do what you're doing until you go to prison he's like and I realize until you is like the only way out was go to they're thinking you get busted you go to prison right or you die he's like well I had a different I had a different idea so he goes and he starts

working with the with the feds um but yeah this guy so this guy was something else man he's the agents putting money on his books he's talking to him he's now you know you know in his mind he's like no we got like a relationship we're like friends he's like and he was like but we're not friends he's like I know

like he's not stupid he's like I know he's friendly to me he knows my kids names my girlfriend's name my he knows everything about me he he knows he's being nice to me and acting like we're friends because you're having to take down the whole city of course yeah so

so he love you right in a way we're not buddies. Like if we both, if they both were... Like if something having him tomorrow, then he ain't useful no more. It's over with.

Yeah, it's over. And see, that's the problem about these rats. Like, they don't understand their problem. Like, once they're done using you, it's over. You're done. We're not friends. They're not friends. Right.

Right. So, so, so your buddy, you got this, the chick, you ended up getting the chick indicted also just because you sent her to go... Yeah, so he, so I had a play and he had some good work. So I told him, look, I'm about to send my girl to come meet you because I was just hung over. like, man, I ain't coming out, but I'm, she right up the street, she's going to come meet you. So the agent out there in the parking lot, I guess they, they see her pull up and all that. Then she dropped on it.

So they also knew the time. So they found out, you know, the paper trail. So we can find out who was. And then I wrote the check. So it was only a $5,000 check. It was some petty stuff, man. How much time she do? She got probation.

They gave her two years of probation. Yeah, she was pregnant at the time. You remember the TV show, Orange is, New Black. So the chick that wrote the book, because it's based on a book, not that the series is obviously insane. It's not, you know, they take the shit and go crazy. But the actual book, the chick was dating.

So she was a lesbian at the time. She's dating another chick that's basically setting up. She basically gives a bunch of, it was all gay, gay people that she had where she would give them drugs and she would fly them all over the country. Yeah. Not the country. The world. sorry, she's flying them all over the place with their drug smugglers.

The girlfriend, the chick, her name is Piper, the main character in Orange, New Black, she's dating her, but she's not doing anything. Right. She's not doing anything. He says nothing to do with the drugs. This is just her girlfriend. Right. But she knows what she does.

One day, her girlfriend calls, and she's like somewhere in the UK. And she's like, hey, Piper, she's like, out of problem. She's like, what's that? She said, I owe Jennifer and Tammy some money. And that she's, and they're friends of ours. But I know that they've smuggled stuff before for her. She just once or twice. And she said, I owe them like $4,000.

And she's like, she's like, okay. She said, I have no way to get them the money. Can I wire you the money? You pull the money out of your account and give it to them. And she's like, yeah, that's fine. So to normal person, even though I know, say I know Colby selling drugs, But we're friends. I don't fuck with him.

I know his wife. We go to dinner and stuff. I know he's doing some stuff, but we're just friends, right? And Colby one day, hey, man, I can't, I fucked up. I'm in, I'm in Spain right now. You're going to help him. Of course. Yeah, of course.

Naturally. I owe Philip three grand. Can I, can I wire you the money you give him three? Sure, no problem. So that's what she does. Here, here's your money. Mm-hmm. And then like a year later, two years later, she's, the two agents show up at her door,

knock on the door, you've been indicted. And she's like, for what? It was money laundering. And she's like, what are you? And a drug conspiracy. What are you talking about? And they explain, boom, boom, boom. You gave those people the money.

But you ain't know nothing about it. But you did know that it was drug related. You did because you know that they're into that type of stuff. And she's like, yeah, I know, but I have nothing to do with it. Now you do. Yes, you do. And now you're a part of the conspiracy. Because you helped the play work.

That's why she went to prison. Damn. And she agreed. I'll cooperate, all everything. But here's a problem with her cooperation. She did cooperate. She went and said, and told them everything about it. everybody, right? Because they're all cooperating. The problem was, is they put her on probation, and

her cooperation, everybody else was pled guilty, her cooperation is predicated on them, on the U.S. government being able to get this guy in the U.K. brought to the United States, right? That's the main kingpins in the U.K. And they can't get them. The U.K. says, yeah, you're trying to give this guy a life sentence for drugs. We're not going to do that. They don't care about that like that. Right. So, well, because in the U.K., you can't really get a life sentence for drugs. So they're like, yeah, we're not going to let you.

We're not going to extradite one of our citizens to give a license for something. We wouldn't give a license. In another country. Right. So they say no. And as a result, she doesn't, her information doesn't yield an arrest. So you have to go to prison. And so she's like, I'm going to prison for giving you four or five, whatever, how much it was, this cash for drug conspiracy.

I really had felt like I had nothing to do it. That's why that whole book. While she's there, she writes the book, the whole thing. That's how that all sparked. But like you saying, hey, can you go give this person it? That's it. Now you're invited. I gave her the card, gave her a pen.

He had the check. So it's over. It's over. Well, he didn't have the check. I'm lying. I wrote the check. All he did was drop it before because she didn't know how to drop. You know what the problem is?

is that I think 90% of normal everyday average people would do that. If you said, hey, look, I owe Jimmy $5,000. Yeah, everybody would do that. Can you drop it off? Because I got this. I'm doing this thing. I can't leave my house. And you're going by there.

They'd be like, yeah, yeah, no problem. Even in the back of their mind, they never, if they thought about it, they'd be like, well, this is probably related to drugs because I know he sells drugs. And I don't think it ever even registers. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, because you ain't going to just, like, say no. Well, the average person I don't think is even thinking along with one. They're not thinking about going to jail for doing a favor.

Right. And I have nothing to do with it. No, no, you do now. Because I was trying to figure out how she got indicted. I'm like, dang. But now that I'm thinking about it, because the story's so, oh, yeah, I ended up, okay, I wrote one check. He gave, he's supposed to have been giving me another check. But they only, when he gets that, he like, now it's going to go through.

he's like, I'm going to just show her what to do. But the whole time, they just trying to link people. So the agent's telling her, I just need her to pull up with it and do it. And then we got her. Because they're like, if we can squeeze his girlfriend, she's going to tell it. Right. So how much better does it look? Does it look better for him to say, I've got a six-man conspiracy indictment?

Or I got a 27-man indictment. That's a big, that's a bad. And I'm telling you, man, he did everything and his power to give the most information. that he can give because, like, I don't understand how, I mean, man, the things that they knew, I'm like, how they know this? Like, I'm reading this stuff.

I'm like, the whole, I never forget. It was 2013, and he was calling me, calling me, calling me, calling me. He's like, man, you got some paperwork. I say, nah, no, I ain't got nothing right now. I ain't doing that right now, bro. I'm just on this music stuff for real. I ain't, but I know, I kind of feel like he's,

I've been hearing rumors. I kind of feel like he up to something. But I really can't put my finger on it. I'm like, dang, he's supposed to be my boy. I ain't thinking he's going to do me. But he's calling me, he called me like 14 times. He's like, if he's talking crazy, like, man, you still ain't got no checks? I say, nah, bro, I ain't.

Like, bro, he's like, I'm going to see what I can find for us. But the whole time, the agent on the phone, I found that out in the paperwork. You feel what I'm saying? So, like, he tried to come in me at so many angles and it wouldn't work. Because, I mean, I can sense with some stuff wrong. Like, I can sense danger and, like, I don't know, man. I got the, I just know when something ain't right. I don't know.

I just got that spiky sense. Like, uh-uh. Intuition. You up to something. Right. So when they grab you, they bring you downtown. What happens? They cuff you up.

You go downtown. They just throw you in the, they try and talk to you. So they put me in this. Help yourself out. Yeah, you know, they're going to hitch everybody with that. But, see, they knew I wouldn't go help myself because they, like, he makes raps about the feds. He's F the feds, this, F the feds, that, like he's flamble.

Like, he don't care about law enforcement. Like, he really hates cops. So they're like, they put me in this cold room, right? And they would come in periodically to try to get me to open my phone. They knew I wasn't going to talk or nothing. Because I'm like, man, y'all got the wrong. Y'all, I don't know what's going on. This is a bull.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't got nothing to say, man. Go ahead. Because I'm thinking to myself, like, I'm going to get down here. This white collar, I'm going to bond out. They're going to let me go. Because I never went fair. I ain't known nothing about that.

You know what I'm saying? You might have been the state. Yeah, I just didn't know. I just really didn't know. I knew it was fed because it was Secret Service. Them Secret Service, Jack, I said, oh, this. Yeah, because, yeah, I like, this is the big leaves right here. But I'm just like, it's white collar.

I don't see people come from my hood that's done deed checks and stuff and then got probation or got like a year. It wouldn't big. And they got bonds. Because, you know, most white-collar criminals, they don't really, like, keep you in jail. like everybody was out on bond for real. But they kept me.

They keep you when it's serious. They keep you when you have a history of crimes. And then you have a history of not only crimes, you have a history of not coming back when you're supposed to. Exactly. They brought all that up before. Yeah. You got, and you've got, you know,

this is, it deals with stolen identities, aggravated identity theft. Did you get hit with aggravated? Yeah, I did. Okay. They hit me with aggravated identity theft with my own name because I basically used the C.

P. Then they tried to, like, come up with this fraudulent story about, oh, he just don't care about nobody. He'll put stuff in his kids' names. He's weird. Like, they was trying to turn everybody against me, but you know what was crazy? It took them so long to really indict me because they're like, people have been protecting this dude.

He's like, people love him. But who wouldn't love somebody that changed their life? Who would want to see somebody get locked up that's done changed my life and that put food in my kid's mouth? You know what I'm saying? So, like, people do love me. they still do love me. Like people that I used to deal with back in the day,

I see them now, they still praise me, even though it's all over with now, you know. But one thing that I did notice about when we got picked up and everything, and I'm going to fast forward all the way to sentencing, when I told you about the prosecutor and he talks so good about me. So this is a part I didn't tell you. So I used to do the rental cars. So what I did was I teamed up with this ARA.

dude and he had a little small little small little avis budget store and i started off renting cars from him so we could travel i could send people on the road to go drop on bank accounts just then the third because we had this one bank in raleigh where it would cash checks it was called coastal federal credit union whatever check you put in that it will cash it all the way down to the change they even had like a little thing where like the changes come out like you put your check in 1700 $56. $0.34, you're going to get everything out of the ATM to get you the cash and then change come out.

You cash checks all day. Like, I think every day you could cash like maybe three or four checks on each account. Then you can deposit the money at a go instant. So, like, that was another bank we kept too. But make a long story short, I was renting so many cars. It's like, man, you can open up a rental car company. He said, man, I could help you, like, we could just, I can give you your own account, man. And you can just, your people, you can manage.

them this type. He kind of put me in a position to where I could get deals on the car. So what I would do is I would do everything. I would get the people. And so I came up with this genius thing, right? And the feds ended up running down on him too, but he protected me too. And he protected itself. So this would happen. I ended up having 106 cars out in the city that I had to manage myself. So I'm managing 106 cars off this small Blackberry phone. I know who got what, when it's due they want to extend

how much they got to pay. But what I was doing, we was using, like, say if I stopped, so when I stopped signing people off of Bank of America, I started back because what I found out was that Bank of America I could put $2,000 on the Bank of America temp card,

go rent a car, they don't take the money. Rent the car out, make the money off of the rental car, and snatch my 2000 back. So that became a scam for me. So now I'm not, it's like I'm not investing no money. I'm getting a rental car,

a legit rental car, because they got license and stuff. These people got license. I'm renting them the car through my company sub-leasing it through, like, I'm putting many leases through Avis budget. So like, I'm able to get the card to get the people to sign up. They temp cars, they don't name on them.

I'm doing everything because it got so bad. I'm coming to Ava's budget. I'm walking around the counter like I work there. I know everything in the computer. I'm renting cars to people. It's printing out all that.

I'm doing this myself. He trained me to do all this. It's times when he ain't even there. I had a key. And I go rent six cars. Like, it got like that. So, man, guess what? He called me one day, man.

Guess what he said? What? He said, we got, it got an end today. He said, I need you to get every car that you got out and turned to end. He said, man, I got a call from security. saying that we doing numbers big in the LA airport.

Like, legit. They know something's wrong. They like, it's just unbelievable. It's just not, they say, they know it's something wrong, but they like, everything's checking out. Because what happened was when I would snatch the money back off the cars, B-O-A would just, they were forced the payment through anyway. So it just made the accounts go negative off of a rental car.

So, like, they still got, like, the rental car people still got their money. They're not losing money. They're not losing the time. We're not losing. money, but this is, if it's too good to be true. But the bank losing money or the people, like the credit, whoever's, you know, account were using. Well, the bank's losing money.

The bank's definitely losing money. Yeah. But the bank's so big to the point with, like, the money that they're losing is not really noticeable because it's bigger scams going on. Yeah. See, I'm doing, I'm doing smaller scale scams, but it's amounting to a large amount of money. Because in federal court, the prosecutor was like, he was, he was making over a million a year and just renting cars to people.

He got the type of intelligence to run a Fortune 500 company legit and be successful, but he wanted to be a criminal. Because they knew about it because when they ran down on my ARAB guy, he ended up just stopped because he had made so much money. I made him a millionaire, man. That's when the judge, when the prosecutor says that, that's when the judge looks at you and you're kind of like... It's just like, I mean, he...

He beat me up so bad. And I can't... You know, in federal court, your lawyer always tell you, don't say nothing because they're going to make it worse. Don't go in there and try to argue. Don't go in there and try to talk. And I wasn't going to do that in no way because I was already at my, that was judgment day. So it wasn't nothing to say. Y'all already knew what I've been doing.

But I didn't get indicted on that because it wasn't really nothing illegal that I was really doing. But it was, but it wasn't. But they knew about it. But then when they asked somebody, he's like, no, man, we get our money. I wouldn't defraud an Avis and budget so it wouldn't anything that they could do to them. Right. These my people, these people I know, they don't care about that. They counted me in overdrawn.

I don't pay them. They don't care about that. So, yeah, I could have just did the rental costs because I went on like a little break from doing fraud, and I was just doing the rentals because I was making so much money. I'm picking up $100,000 a month. I got a hundred-something cars out here, man. But at the time, he told me to turn them all in, I had $106, but I ended up getting every single car. And he respect me to this day.

I can call him right now, man, I need $30,000. I got this investment. Hey, man, I got you. He'll do it. We're friends like that. Because not only did I make him so rich, but, But he protected me. I protected him.

Like, we kept it solid. When the feds ran out on him, he didn't tell him nothing bad about me. He said, man, that's a great guy. I love him. Can I do anything to help him when he found out I got indicted? We get the sentencing. And I go first.

So when they pull us, when we go to the bullpen or whatever, everybody that's in the county jail, because a lot of dudes, they had violated their pretrial. So they're sitting in jail. So, like, I walk, I got to go in there. I got to go in. side of sale with dudes that's done like basically like told on me type you know not all of them

but a few of them that was in there had done toll on me or whatever and um the first thing i never forget we had this this gay dude on our case he used to get like apartments for us and stuff but he was doing bank fraud too like the first thing he said when i walked in he was like boss they tricked me and i say man they didn't trick you man i said you betrayed me man i gave them dudes a speech man, I prayed with everybody, man, because it was other people in there for other cases, and I was the first case of the day. I went in there, man, and like I said,

the prosecutor, he was like, today is the day we finally got him. The godfather, the check fraud scheme that's been going on in the Western District of North Carolina, we finally hit a day for his judgment. And then he went to telling everything that he knew, he gave him a summary man. He talked about everything in the rental cars.

Then he talked about how I would, he say he's a womanizer. He gets these women that works in the man. His summary was so detailed and so damaging that my lawyer, when she got to say something and she was cold. Like I said, she doesn't beat the feds a few times. She was real cold back then.

And when she actually got to talk, it's just like nobody even heard her. like nobody heard nothing she said like it was pretty much over with so I would have only gotten 24 to 30 months had they not hit me with the leadership role so that boosted me up four levels they gave me the four points instead of the three my lawyer she was trying to argue for a two point she was like they're going to give you something but I think she was like basically I'm just you know these were friends these were kids that all of them was doing the same thing nobody boss nobody

was bigger than nobody. Everybody did the same thing. It was no boss. Everybody had a part. Everybody had a part. It was like, these people wasn't working for him. It was working with him.

But here it is. They want to give him a four-level. I don't think that it's like legit to give him a four-level enhancement being that all of them doing the same thing. They're just telling on him because they feel like he taught them this or taught them that,

but they all kind of learned on their own. Like, it's people that ain't even in here unindicted co-conspirators that still probably doing it, that ain't even getting punished, but, you know, they pointed the fingers at him because everybody felt like that was the easier thing to do. The judge went here and he's like, man,

you've been arrested over 30 times. But even though it was for like mostly traffic violations and stuff like that growing up, like I said, I had an orange Cadillac so I would get pulled over all, oh, no registration, oh, no seatbelt. The neighborhood cops would terrorize me. I think I went to jail probably 20-some of those,

29 times just for driving. Right. And like little petty charges, like, but when I went and got my license back, they dismissed all that. But he said, it's clear that you have no respect for the law. And he said, he told my lawyer, you know, she's like, I feel like, you know, you have a valid point. But I feel like 41 months would be a great sentence for him, you know. And he gave me 41 months. And he gave me three years of supervised probation.

And I walked out. What year was that? That was in 2015 when I got sentenced. But I had that sat in the county for, I had so much jail credit, man. When I got to prison, I didn't have like a year left. Because, you know, with the good time and all that, I think I did 30-something months off that. So you, okay, so then you did three years' paper. So you've been.

Yeah, I violated twice too. But I ain't violated because I did, like, more crimes. It was just dirty urns. So, okay, so I did 10 days. Okay, so when I came home, so I got dirty urine for, I smoked some. So, I mean, everybody comes home and party a little bit. And then the girl I was dating at the time, she was like a real piehead. Like, so it was at my fingertips.

Even though I was on probation, I'm like, it ain't going to hurt. It ain't going to show up. And I was taking like those stingers and stuff trying to flush my system out. Them joints don't work. Not with the type of the magnitude of the stuff we were smoking. It's showing up. So my PO say, well, look, I'm going ahead and send you the gas on your jail for 10 days. Man, that broke me.

I stopped smoking for two years. But then. I got to tell you this. This is the highlight of everything. Okay, so I, he, okay, the first violation, I was working at this restaurant called Firewater. So my partner, which I call him my goddad, it's an ARAB dude. I know you say like, dang, this dude deal with a lot of ARABs.

ARABs got money, man. All right. And they're business owners, and I'm a businessman. So, like, I'm kicking it with him. So I'm like, I come home, I need a job. I'm in a halfway house. So he's like, well, you know, you can come at like you work up here, you know what I'm saying?

You know, because he gave me like part ownership and everything. He's like really one of my best friends. So every time that my PO would be like, I'm going to meet you at your job, I'll put the uniform on and act like I'm working. But I go back there and make a couple meals or stuff and pass and go see some people or sweep or mop. You know what I'm saying?

Until he leave, and then I'm taking it off, putting my street clothes back home, leaving out the door. So one particular day, this girl I was dealing with, she had me take her to a uniform store. And he was supposed to be meeting me at my job at a specific time. And I was late. He beat me there. And when he beat me there,

my homeboy had to hire a new manager that didn't know me. So they asked him, where's Philip? Philip who? Exactly. That's exactly what she said. She said, don't know Philip work here. So they're looking at each other. So he got a trainee with him.

So they looking at each other like, oh, Philip doesn't work here. So here, me coming through the door. So I'm coming through the front door. My homeboy coming through the, that owns the building, he's coming through the other side door at the same time. But by then, she had done already.

So I'm coming in, like, I got the uniform on everything. They're like, oh, you don't got to. So the lady asks me like, oh, where are you going? I'm like, I'm going to go to work. She's like, uh-uh, you don't. So then my homeboy, he walks up. Right. So he like.

Oh, he does work here. He'll be quiet. But it's too late. Is that Indian? That's Indian. It's too late. It's too late. It's too late.

So the P.O. was like, can we speak to you? They make me get back. They're like, you go sit over there. He's sliding your picture of employee in the month into the, into the frame as they're walking. And whoa. Right. So they like, can we speak to you? So they stepped off and spoke to him.

And they was like, just tell us the truth. And I'm going to be honest with you. I don't love him no less or lost no respect from him for protecting his business. Because that could have got him in a lot of deep trouble because you're dealing with the feds. I mean, for whatever is worth. Yeah, I was going to say. I don't think he just doesn't know any better. He don't know any better.

He didn't throw me on the bus. He's like, yeah, he works here sometimes. Or he could have just said, fuck you. I don't have to talk to you. He could have said that. I wish he would have said that. but then I would have still, he was still going to violate me. You're still violated.

Yeah, because he, he just didn't like me, man. I feel like that. But I'm so, but it's crazy. So he told me I was free to go. He was like, I got to write this up to the judge. You can free to go. I mean, I'm pretty sure you, you ain't going to stay here. You don't work here anyway.

And I just walked off. So when I walked off, I knew I had to go on the run. So I actually ran. So I'm still a rapper. So now a rapper coming home from federal prison. So I'm getting booked. So my cousin owned this club called a White House at the time. And C.I.

I come. You know, it's like a big basketball event for like Charlotton and stuff back then. And he books me. So I'm on a radio. I'm on all these flyers. And man, I tell you, man, I'm on stage. Rocco, I don't know if you know as a rapper,

he had just finished his set. So the mic had just got in my hand and the lights come on. The marshals, they had been in the crowd the whole night waiting on me to perform and get up there. They couldn't identify me because it was so many people on stage.

Right. But once I got that mic in my hand, the lights came on, they bumrushed the stage. Oh, they didn't even let you finish. They didn't even let you go. They didn't even, but guess what? Guess how they found out about it?

This dude that was working for me, I tell you, man, you got to watch the company you keep. A new dude that was just my driver when I was on the run, because I was just getting, like, little rental cars and stuff, buying little bull cars, you know, just to keep a low profile. He missed court or something like that, and he told him that I know somebody that's running, that's wanting for the feds, and he told him I had a show. But they were like, we already knew. I got all this, and my lawyer told me when I got.

got picked up and got locked back up. So that was the first violation. So I did seven months on that. So my judge was like, you only would have done five months, but it was backed up. So this course was backed up like, it was around COVID on that first one. So that's what I had, I did seven months, got out, they put me in an anchor monitor for three more months. I'm like, if I did more time not supposed to do, why would you give me 90 days on an ankle monitor? Well, we want you to ease back in my lawyer.

Like, well, just let them let you ease back into society. I'm like, man, they only been gone a couple months. Like, it ain't that deep. I mean, I ran from not having a job. It ain't like I was like committing more crimes. But she said, come to find out, you really, they was investigating me for some stuff that some dudes around that I was affiliated with. They was like, they knew about this.

They knew about that. But the dude that told him why was that, he had done got in trouble on some fraud stuff. And I didn't know about it. I knew he went to jail, but he basically gave him my name for that. He was a party promoter. like I ain't going to even speak on his name because he ain't that important. But he was trying to throw me under the bus on some more fraud. I'm like, come on, man.

But they just dismissed that thought. Like, man, we know he ain't had nothing to do with that. That ain't even, we know his signature. Many checks he don't wrote. This is the bad check king right here. But anyway, I get out. So they give me the same P.O. I'm like, what the f?

I'm like, no. He's like, man, we're going to try this again. I'm like, man, you know, I'm just trying to get rid of this. gave me one year to like you just do one more year. Like when I vallie, like I'm going to give you one more year of probation. I'm extended for a year. You complete this one year, you off. Man, I get, I had 22 days left. Remember I told you I caught COVID. I had 22 days left. Me and my PO, we on good terms. I ain't doing no crazy stuff. Um, I go to the hospital. While I'm in the hospital, the chick that, rest in peace to her too, she ended up dying from

overdose. I'm going to get to that too. Okay. It's all in the nutshell. So I ended up, while I'm in the hospital, fighting for my life, she's a bartender. So she's out, she got COVID too. We both had it. She's out passing it around. Yeah. But hers ain't as extensive as mine because I got like, I'm diabetic.

So it's like I got underlying health issues. So mine's worst. Like it was worse for me, more troubling for me. But if her, she's smoking cigarettes, like she's still bartending, like, but I'm looking on Instagram and she's having a black. She would do she all hooked up And now mind you I had just Put her in a brand new apartment

Help furnish it Bought her kids school clothes Like I did a lot Because she was like She was I was dealing with her at the time Like on some cool stuff You know like we was kicking it So I did a lot for her because

She was a decent person to me She was sweet and I'm like Her cousin ended up going Getting picked up by the feds And her crib was in her cousin's name So they kicked her out so she was homeless I actually helped her. And she did me dirty.

So I get out of the hospital. And I see her like hanging out with dudes and stuff. I'm like, this ain't somebody that want to deal with. So the little stuff that I had at her house, I mean, her apartment, I went and packed it up. I tricked it. I said, I'm going to be back. I'm going to go pick up this car and do this, do that. And I never came back.

I went back to my ex-girlfriend. And she went to the police. She went and got it with her mom. And she made up this fake story. It was like, he sat on me. He sat on me? He damaged my whole apartment up. He took my debit card and my license.

Like, he basically like, so mind you, they came up with this whole fake story, and they put out warrants on me, man. My P.O. never ever called me again. It was weird. I'm like, I got 22 days left. He might have just took me off. Like, I ain't think much of it. Man, I looked on makesh sheriff.com.

and seeing I had warrants, I already knew who I did it because she hadn't called me no more. I called, I said, man, you put warrants on me? She said, yeah, but I go drop the charge. I said, man, why do you? I'm on federal probation, man. What's wrong with you?

Why are you lying on me like that? She said, well, you know, you tried to leave me and go back to that girl. I'm like, man, that's childish, man. Like, why would you do that, knowing the magnitude of what could happen to me? So now I'm back on the run again. So because he don't want to hear it.

He didn't even picking up my calls no more. He didn't already wrote the judge because when I got the paperwork, when I actually got caught, so I ran for two years that time. Wow. I know how to hide. I mean, yeah. When it comes to hiding, yeah, I can hide.

That's a long time, yeah. I ran for two years and guess how I got caught? A homeboy of my birthday had came. And we was hanging out and we was drinking and just having a good time. And he was like, man, I want to go to a strip club, man. He like, it's my birthday. Like, I want to have a good time. I want to, man, I'm like, come on, let's go.

So I posted, so we posted on our stories, like his birthday, I gave him like a Rolex and everything. I gave him one of my old watches. And we was parted. We was counting money, showing money, you know, just doing little stuff, just, you know, hype. And we left and went to a strip club called Crazy Horse. But by this time, my homeboy, he's so drunk. Like, that's what we do. We get drunk.

We talk crazy to everybody. That's why I stopped drinking. but we get to the door, he cussing the security out. So the dude at the door, he's like, man, I can't let him in. I'm like, it's his birthday, man, please. So he's like, I can't do it.

I'm sorry, man. I'm like, man, I give you 200, let him in. No, I can't do it. And no amount of money, he's too drunk. We ended up having to go to Uptown cabaret. It's tore down. Now they just tore it down and sold the property. But we end up going to Uptown Cabaret.

And when we're sitting outside, we just sitting as me, him, and we're waiting on some people to pull up. So I'm like, I'm just get out and go ahead and go in. So we're like, I hear like, come on. Man, I get to the door. I got on some Valenciaga slides. Man, I get to the door.

Man, they coming from, two of them came, two police officers came from the other side of the club. Like, you can come in the entrance another way because I'm coming this way. They're coming this way. Guns drawn. And then it was two agents that were sitting in the truck in the parking lot.

They came guns drawn. And guess what? It was an agent in the inside of the club and VIP waiting for me to get in. They knew where we was going because they knew that he's one of my closest associates. So they watched his Instagram

because my page private. So he basically reposted what I posted. And they're like, okay. So now they stalking him. So they ended up finding out where I'm going to be from just stalking my friends

and we ain't know it. So then, yeah. So the judge, I ran so long, man. The judge, like, but if he did this and how was it? The judge couldn't figure it out. And then it was like, the girl ended up,

they tried to get in contact with her, and she told, that's why I said, even though I had to go do a year and a day and they killed all my papers, when they got in touch with her, she told them she was lying, but they still set me off. They was like, yeah,

but you still owe restitution over 300-something thousand. And you ran. And you ran, you hear it from us. I said, but I'm trying to explain to my lawyer, like, I hid because I didn't do me. anything and I'm like I'm not sitting in jail for something I didn't do. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Yep. And that's just

how it ended, man. So I stopped thinking it's fair. Yep, but two days before I got out of prison on the violation, I was this free man, the girl got into a real bad car accident and like broke both her legs and like six months later after me being out, somebody called me. I woke up I never had a whole bunch of miscarpots from their people.

They're like, yo, your people, she died. She overdosed all over the internet. And I was like, dang, somebody sold her a fake perk. And she died, yep. Yeah, that was it, man. So, it's all right. You got out.

What are you doing now? Oh, so I got a foot detox business. So it's basically like, what is that? So it's basically, I get the detox. I detox you. So it's like, it's like electro-magnetic. So you put your foot in this tub, right? Right.

Yeah. You put your foot in this tub and, it gets all the toxins out of your body through, like, radiation. Like, you put your, you put the bath sauce in there, and then you put your feet in there, and you drop it down in there, and you cut it on. And, um, it radiated, like a stinger? Yeah, it looks just like a stinger. Wow, it looks just like a stinger.

But I came up with this because I was, uh, on Amazon. I'm like, I need to start me a little small business, man, because I know I got decent credit. I can probably get me alone and do what I really want to do. So I thought that was kind of fascinating because it was helping me with my health. Like it was getting out because I was smoking too much. And like everything comes out in the water. Water would be black, orange. It's like an old ancient trick where they used to put onions on the bottom of your feet.

But now this machine helps it come out faster. And it gets everything out. Like if it'd be like white, it'd be like yeast. Like different colors tell what's going on in your body. But it really works. A lot of people be hating on it. Like on the end of it, I see a lot of people that loves it. And they say it worse, but then you got a lot of people there against it.

Like, oh, no, that's, it's a trick. I'm like, but how is all this, why is this water looking like this? How is all this stuff coming out out of clear water? Clear water is not going to turn brown and orange and all that. You get what I'm saying? Right. So, like, I do that. So I basically detox people.

I give you a 30-minute detox for, like, $50. So I do a couple of those a week, you know what I'm saying? And I'm a big sports bed. And that's my bread and butter. Like, if anybody that follows me, like, I'd be hitting on top. 20 legs and stuff. I study sports. That's all I do every day.

Right now, my football season, and it's baseball, I'm out right now, like football, I'm on table tennis real hard. And it's funny because I'm the king of table tennis. Like ESPN bets hate to see me coming. Because I've been playing this so long that I know all the great people. It's like if I bet before this match, I know who going to win. So I try to get the best eyes.

But then if I see a good dude having a bad game, I don't know when to get in. I live bet. I'm the live betting king. So I make a lot of money off of that, man. I probably, I probably make $100,000 in football season, at least this year. Because last year I did real good. But my only thing is them casinos, man.

Like when I get on them black jet tables and stuff, man, I don't know when to get up. Like when we leave here, I'm going to the casino. You're right there. I know. And I just want to have. You can see it out the window, by the way. Yeah. I got to get a little taste of because the last time I was here,

I end up spending $20,000. Like, I spent, man, I had all my debit cards, man. And then I took my credit card and I took my debit card and transferred money to a credit builder card just because the limits was gone and took five more thousand off. Like, because I'm like, I'm going to get back. But you know what's crazy? I was playing poker, right? I want to say I was playing like Mississippi stud or something. And the best hand that I ever could catch at that casino.

I only put $15 on it. It was like a six or hard, seven a hard, eight a hard, nine a hard, 10 a hard. And I was going from playing $200 bets, $500 bets to plan, just playing safe. And when I hit the big one, I ain't even. 15 bucks. I put $15 on it. So yeah, I do a lot of that now.

And I do it. Man, I'm a hustler, man. You know, I flip shoes. Like when some Jordans come out, I might buy 20, 30 pair. clip them. You know, anything to make money legally, I'm doing it. You know, I got a couple, I got a couple cars that I bought that I'm renting out. I don't go through Turo because I got a network of people I can just rent our cars. So I go to my uncle, you know, they got the dealerships. I go buy a couple cars. I'm going to actually buy four cars when I get back.

Let's, I met kids, I met some kids when I was working at the gym that they just stood in line. They made money just standing in line. For what? They, oh, we just, they stand in line for shoes. Oh, yeah. That's a, that's a husk. heck yeah you get paid for standing in line because a lot of times you got to stand in line for hours well they stand you know they stand in line they buy the shoes and they repost the shoes it's like that way you don't have to stand in line for fucking hours

you know and they jack them up and then yeah because like I was the dude that was buying the shoes from the people I'm like man I can just so what I started doing that I started locking in with people that work at the store I come in the store a little huh he goes 200 at like you know me when you see me again

so they start calling me and like oh man we're gonna let you we're gonna put you five pairs at this store to the side five pairs. I'm already paying these people. Right. So when I, they already let me win raffles and stuff. And that's legit because they're managers. They can do what they want to do. Hell, they can get five pairs of they wanted. So like,

that's a, that's a quick flip. But like, man, right now, man, it's so many shoes that's coming out, man. You'll get too wrapped up in that stuff. That's a job, man. Because then when you get certain shoes, like I don't, I don't have a warehouse, like a storage full of shoes that I couldn't get rid of. I don't bought a whole bunch of shoes

thinking I could flip them and it don't. So I just try to get like the most important ones, like the ones that they're going crazy over. And then you're going to make some money out of that. Just anything, man. But, yeah, I'm definitely big gambler, though, man. That's really the way of life because I still love fast money. And I feel like if I bet with sports betting, it's more legitimate versus just going to a casino and risking my money.

Because that's all that stuff is. So you're about to go to the casino now? Yeah, but once I lose like a thousand, I'm going, I'm headed back to Charlotte. I told my girl, I'll say, baby, I'm going to try a thousand. I'm going to go get a thousand. our chips, get on the poker table. I win, I win, I don't. I still had a blast.

Listen, what do you think about the, we're in the new studio? What do you think about the location? You stayed, you literally, when he, what I saw him, he goes, I was walking out. Across the parking lot? Yeah, he said, he goes, I could have walked here. Yeah, I could have walked. Yeah. I was like, I know I'm telling you, even on our, on the studio website, I even say the first one I,

the first place I recommend people stay is right there. I'm like, you were literally like three minutes, like, more like two or three minutes. They need to give you like a percentage, man. We thought about going down there and asking to talk to them, man. We're not thinking about getting a percentage. We're thinking about getting a discount. Like, hey, like just tell people, look. You know, you don't have to pay the 170, whatever it is.

You could pay one, even if it's $150, if it's $20 off, whatever. Anything off. Yeah. And then use your name for the code or something. Like, yeah. And that'll get, yeah, that. Because like, for real. We're probably going to send at least two people a week are going to stay there.

Yeah. That's, what is it? That's an extra eight, maybe. 10 people a month. Because I ain't even think about standing in other hotels when you told me about that one. And that's how it's going to be because you're like, it's right by the studio. So I'm like, that's perfect. Right by the studio and right by Hard Rock. That's

definitely. That's the big. We listen, a lot of the guys that come here, they're like, hey, man, is there a casino around here? We're like, yeah. And now it'll be like, yeah, right there. Yeah. Where before it was, yeah, you get, but it takes you 20 minutes to get there. You over go play, you know? No, I'm not. I've only played black. I play blackjack

twice. And I mean, when I say twice, I mean, two rounds. Or two hands. That was all I played. You won? The first one, I won. Second one, I lost. And I said, yeah, I'm done. Yeah.

Like, I don't, you know, and this was when I was on the run in Vegas. Dang. It's the only time I've ever bet, ever. Okay. And it basically, I think I lost like $10. Like it was, I think that's what happened was I won like $10 and then I bet. And then I ended up losing more than I didn't like break even. I lost like $10 or $20 more than I bet.

I'm good. I'm done. I wish I could think like you. When I walk in the casino, I'm like, boy, today's going to be my big day. Well, I just think. My mind is so crazy when it comes to like manifesting stuff because my whole life I manifested great things and a lot of great things happening.

The great outweighed the bad. Because like all the money we had them stole, man, I would, I mean, I sat in the fair as comfortable, man. When in that? Well, my uncle owned the Sands in Reno, Nevada. And he used to say, you know, And, you know, the whole, their whole system is based on like a, it's like a one and a half percent profit margin. And you think one and a half percent, they make hundreds of millions.

Yeah. But that's because they're running hundreds of millions a day through the casino. And they're making this little fraction, which ends up being hundreds of millions dollars to them. And he used to always say, like, you just, you just can't win. Like in the long run, you can't, you can't win. And there's some people that do. There's some people that kind of have a strategy, maybe. but for the most part.

But that's it to be your full-time job. You have to be super smart and I don't have the mind for it. That's why I pick sports because they can't really, even though they say it's a lot of legal stuff going on sports, I can kind of like decipher what I need to bet on or what I don't need to bet on. Right. And then a lot of times where I'll be iffy about stuff,

but I still do it. I win. Right. So I win more. Like sports betting, I've won more than I've lost in my career of sports bank because when I win, I win big. because I play parleyes.

Right. So at the end of the day, it's like, man. Well, I feel like sports betting is vastly different than just roulette. Because they can't control it, yeah. Yeah, those are just, you know, those are games based on statistics and skills. And numbers, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, like, where sports betting, I feel like, you know, you can know what's going on in this person's life, how they're doing. Are they injured?

Are they this? And so it's kind of an intuition type of thing. Because that's the first thing we do when we wake up, especially football season, Let's see who injured. Let's see who on the list. Yeah. Oh, yeah, they're going to lose the day. He out.

Oh, yeah. That's a guarantee lock. And it works. It's like 90% of the time is going to go the way that we think. Or it might be a flute with some player that never scored in his life scored three times. Right. But, you know, that's rare, you know. But, yeah, so my brother, he has a jury store too.

So I do that too. I kind of like piggyback off of that. If somebody wants some custom jury made, I'll, you know, maybe some commission. I do a lot, man. you know, just, I'm an old man now, so I don't go nowhere. When I do go, I just take trips. I don't go to clubs. I don't hang with dudes.

Like, I'm just, I'm laid back, man, because while I stay, I live uptown Charlotte. My rent too high. Like, I like to enjoy my money. Like, I'm paying all this rent to stay up here. I'm going to enjoy it. So I go to the pool at my own place. Like, you've got a big game room. Like, everything I want is at the house.

When I lived in Charlotte, I live there. I live right across the street from Bank of America, the headquarters, like right across the street. Oh, on Tri-A? Yeah, yeah. On Tri-A-Han-I. Yeah, it used to be a post-gateway. It used to be a post-apartment complex, but they turned it into condos. When I live, they, when I live.

Oh, post-gateway. Yeah, is it still there? Yeah, it's still there. They've got-condos now, though, right? Yeah, the condos now, they got, they actually, it's right by Johnson & Wales. Yeah, and right across the street, there was a cemetery near there. It's a church. My church right there, Mount Moriah.

Oh, okay. It's right across the street. So, you know what's funny? I don't know if you've ever looked at end in my story, but do you remember in my story, I talk about how I almost got caught at a Starbucks. Yeah. That's the Starbucks. And the agents chased you.

Yeah. So I'm always like it was catty corner because it's actually like the building's here. Post Gateway's here. Yeah. The Bank of America is here. Yeah. And so when I say catacorn. I mean, it's actually across the street, but it's around the corner.

Yeah. And you know when I talk about the agent, I'm sorry, the agent. the, it was a post, the leasing agent left through the back door. It goes out to that back door. It's a police station right there now. Oh, I don't know. On the backside. Well, when they would go through the back door, it was like a big open area in Bank of America where they had chairs.

Oh, on the front. And then she kind of ran across the street. And so they were coming around the corner when they saw it. So you know, you know, that's what a great area, right? We scammed these girls. Well, not really scound them, but we did a finesse with these girls that lived right there. They was in college. and they both had Wachovia at the time.

And I told my opponent me, I'm like, look, I like these girls. Don't scam them. Like, let them know what's going on. And they was with it. They're like, hell, yeah, we want some free money. So that's the first time I ever went over there. It was nice over there, man. So they got like a hookah lounge right there now called Taubo.

We'd be going in there doing hookah and stuff. Yeah. Listen, I'm surprised anything still. I'm surprised everything in that area hasn't changed everything. This was all before 2008. Charlotte, man. Have you been to Charlotte lately? Not lately.

When I went there, it was a great city. Oh, man, they don't built, there's so many condos. Man, it's so beautiful now. It's probably twice as big now at least. They haven't built so much stuff since 2008. Like, it's ridiculous, man. Like, everything. They just keep building condos.

They keep building all these buildings. Like, you go to Uptown Charlotte. It just looked like you in L.A. somewhere now. When I was in prison, people say, oh, where are you going to go when you get out? I was like, well, if I don't go to Tampa, I would go to Charlotte. Because Charlotte was such a cool city. And it's big, too. It's like you can, anything that you want to do in Charlotte, you can do it.

Yeah. It's plenty of opportunity in Charlotte. And I tell people that, like, I love Charlotte, but the crime, as far as, like, the hood side of Charlotte, like, it's done guys so bad. But them just young people. So I don't be around that stuff. So, like, the type of life that I see in Charlotte is just up echelion, like, everything is great, you know. And it's funny, though, because, like, everybody always gives me hell because my girl works at the bank. She worked at the same banks that I, she works at Wells Fargo.

I'm like, yeah, we told them down. But it's funny now because my girl's like a big manager at Wells Fargo now in the fraud department. Nice. Yeah, so she's the one that catches now. So it's funny like, dang, his girl, like, it'd be funny. Like, people see us. But, yeah, I retire from it, man. The game made how I used to be, man.

You should do a shorter version of your story where you focus just on the checks. Yeah. And you could do speaking engagements. for the banks. Because, you know, that's, like, that's one of the things I do. Like, I go, they'll fly me out. And I'll go, I'll tell my story for 45 minutes. And I don't do the whole, you know, the whole thing.

I just kind of focus on just like the bank fraud aspect of just the bank fraud. Because that's what they want to hear about. Like, how did you fix this? How'd you, how'd you? I would love to do that. Right. And then they pay you. Yeah.

Pay you good. And then they fly you back. Like, you could be there a day. I'm getting, I'm flying out. out to, I want to say, is it, I want to say it's Utah. Utah, yeah. Yeah, flying to Utah. And these, these, it's a group of private money guys, like 60 of them.

And I'm flying out there. And I'm, it's, this is like a five-star resort. And I'm staying there for like four days. And doing the speech, I have to have, well, I don't have to, but I mean, I'm going to go to dinner. I'm going to like dinner, then I'm going to breakfast, I'm going, you know, and I'm just going to go in there, tell my story for 45 minutes, answer questions for 20 minutes, and then kind of hang out with them, and then fly back, they're flying me and my wife in. I mean, that happens like that's pretty regular thing.

That's a nicer one. Usually I fly in for a day, but if I said, hey, I want to stay for two days, they'll pay for two or three days. Okay. But usually I, because I have so much stuff going on. I'll fly in in the morning, do the speech, stay the night, and then fly back the next day. or sometimes I do them on Zoom, but you have to have a short, concise version of your story

that focuses more on. Oh, just straight checks. I can definitely do that. Yeah. Because what I would do is I would go from bank to bank, dissect it on, because I'm going to be honest with you, the type of information that I still know to this day, I could help banks really, like, combat fraud.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. In a way that they'll save them money. Like, if we can do business, I could tell them some things that they could do for their systems because they system still, if I wanted to do fraud in this day and age, it'll be,

it's easier now. As I say that all, like, that's one of the questions. I came from fraud, so it's like, the way that I'd be seeing stuff, I'd be,

like, I'm like, man, it's too easy. It's like, what happens is once you give the speech, they then ask you about 10 or 20, about 20 minutes worth of questions, you,

about 90 to 95% of the questions are the same questions over and over. And one of the questions is always, do you think what you did back, then you could do that today. And I always say the same thing. I'm like, it would be... I'd be up a hundred million right now. It'd be easier to do it now than it was back then. And

I wouldn't get caught for it if I wanted to because I know the fairs taught me how I got caught. Right. And the main reason me getting caught was the company that I kept. Yeah. Because, but now life's so high tech that you could stay in your house and don't go nowhere and make

millions of dollars doing fraud because everything is done electronically now. like you can deposit online now. You can you can transfer money. You can send money places. There's so many ways now to send money and get money. Cash app, Apple paid, wires.

None of that was available. None of that. We had to walk in them institutions and go to the ATMs and put our face on campus. We had to do so much to get the money. So that's why I know I'm legendary with it because the way we did it, it was super hard. Like these new dudes that's doing fraud, they would have never been able to do that. It's the same thing. Right.

Same thing. I used to have to go into public, go down, go into public records. I'm on all these cameras. Yeah. I used to have to go to the end of the bank and I would apply or open the bank accounts. I used to have to go to physically you go to the title company. Oh, yeah. Now I think almost not all of them, but almost every state, you can do it remotely.

You don't even have to go in. You don't got to go nowhere. They don't even know. Only reason they know what you look like because of your license. Right. But then who's to say that's me? Yeah, they're not recording these things. You're scanning a copy and sending and they're just like, okay, thank you, Mr. Johnson.

Let's go ahead. And now with AI, I could be an Asian guy. Yeah. AI just make you who you want to be. AIs, man. AI is really going to be a downfall. It's going to be a downfall. Because with the economy right now, because a lot of people I know they used to have money,

don't got money no more. And it's because of this economy. But I'm starting to see a lot of the economy. of people taking chances and doing stuff that they wouldn't normally do because they don't have no game plan man it's it's hard man with eggs and milking all this stuff high and gas high and who just laid off 8,000 employees because they they oh fuck i i saw this couple days ago and you're starting to see it over and over was it ibn abm 8 000 employees was it 23rd but what about all those people that lost those federal jobs.

Yeah, but that's not because of AI, though. Yeah, right. No, yeah, not because of AI. Oh, you're talking about because of AI. Take playoff. 2025, IBM lays off 8,000 employees as AI replaces HR department. Damn. Yeah, and it's happening.

Like, I talked to a guy named Mark Savant, who does nothing but advise people on AI, and he's like, it's going to be devastating. He is, he said, and he was like, listen, once they start producing these private androids, he said, the first year or two, he said, won't be. that bad because their amidextry is not great. Like they, he's like, but in three or four years when they can really use their hands. Right. Because right now you see him, you know, doing this, right?

Or they're doing it, but they have very limited. He said, when they really develop the, the ability to grab things and manipulate things, he says, it's over. Even the jobs that they're saying right now it's safe. You're a plumber. McDonald's ain't going to be safe. Right. Well, right now if you're a plumber or you're, drywaller, you're safe.

But that's, he said, yeah, but in four years from now, you're not safe. You're not safe. I can have a, I can have an Android come in here and drywall this whole place, go someplace else drywall, at some place, 24 hours a day. They're just, they're, yeah, and they're cheap. They're $25,000, $35,000. Right. Nonstop.

You can use them as much as you need them. And think about it. They ain't going to get tired. Do I pay $100,000 for a dry, $100,000 a year for a drywaller who works 40 hours a week and shows, and sometimes he didn't even show up because he's drunk or high. Right. Or do I have, do I pay $35,000 for this drywaller one time? Mm.

And he works 160 hours a week. Mm. He comes in so you can dust him off. Hell, he could dust himself off. He can bend his arms backwards and dust himself off. Yeah, for real. I mean, like, he don't need nobody even clean them. It's insane.

It's going to be horrible. But how is it going to end, though? The problem is it puts every, you know, you got some people who are like, yeah, it's going to be great. It's not going to be great. It ain't going to be great. They're not really looking into it how we is because I know it's going to be bad. It will devastate the economy because so many people will be out of business.

And people will go, oh, well, they'll have to give a universal income. Universal income is basically like everybody's going to be on food stamps and Section 8. Like that's not enough to live. What do you do for money? And then those robots that are creating that are creating all of that, now what happens with, you think, okay, well, they're creating it. They're creating, they're manufacturing goods that nobody has. has the money to buy. So then those factories start to go down and downsize.

Like in the end, it's absolute fucking carnage in five to ten years from now. Wow. He scares me. I'm a little scared. And that luckily, our lease will be up in three years. And Colby and I'll just, we'll just go off and I don't know what we're going to do. You're going to be big by then. Y'all going to be huge.

It'd be too late. Who's watching? Yeah. Who's watching? Everybody keeps saying that, oh, it won't affect you. will affect me. It will affect me. Because it's like who's advertising for products that nobody's buying. Nobody's buying those products. You know, you've got the gut, listen, I don't know what happens with the economy. Basically, it'd be great because you think, oh, well, the, the, the Androids will

take care of us all. Are you fucking crazy? Like, like, what do you think? Yeah, having me in hospitals next, won't it? Do you have, oh, yeah, no, they talk about that. Oh, I was joking with no, no, nurses. Why would you hire some asshole nurse, some, some nurse, some nurse, who's one wrong 20% of the time and has an attitude. Yeah. Because they do. Those nurses are jerk off. Oh, my God.

They're worse. You can hire for half of her pay. You can pay one time, not every year, one time and get two nurses that will come in and walk in and say, hey, can I help you. What's going on? Of course, I can get that. I'll get the doctor. Or just diagnose you themselves.

Wait a second. Oh, my gosh. You're having this. Three other nurses. Just beep. Three other ones come in. they grab you, they pump, bum, boom, boom, boom, boom, change this, you're good, okay, great.

Damn. It's insane. That's why you got to be nice to these AI. You got to say thank you. When you do your chat, GPT, you can you please? Yes, I always say that. When the overlords come and they start deciding who's going to live, because we're going to be their pets.

Right. And do you want to be a pet or they're just going to wipe you out completely? Cut his head off. Cut his head off. No, wait. Philips always, he's always said thank you and night and please. When they get robots to talk, turn into like what cops do, we dooned. It's over. It's over. Damn. And there's no discussion.

Think about it. They've already got you on every surveillance camera. Your phone, you're walking, you're holding a little device that's recording everything. Everything. Listening to you. They're going to just say, oh, you broke law yesterday. We're coming to pick up. When you, when you look on the social media and you see you're just talking about Arby's and their Arby's pop up on your time, it's because your phone listening to you. Of course. Of course. Your phone, your best friend. They hear everything you say. Of course. How many times I never talk about ever, ever, ever, ever diamonds. Right.

Ever. Right. And for some reason, somebody says, hey, man, yeah. So and so, I just got my wife a two-carat diamond, bro. I couldn't believe it. It was 20 grand or whatever. And you're like, oh, okay. And for the next fucking four or five days, I'm getting diamond ads.

See? Because he said he bought his wife a diamond. I haven't talked about diamonds in years. Right. It's crazy. It's over, man. It's over, man. I'm just trying to figure out how it's going to work.

I think the problem is it's, it's bad it's gonna be bad because it's already bad if it was if it didn't have it's already bad so imagine when that happens

like when they go full-fledged it's over man these women man I don't know what they gonna do like I'll be thinking about it's gonna be mad max days it's gonna be mad max

and I just feel like I don't know that I can survive a mad max I mean you know I love that in my mind I feel like you know China's so ahead of us though so like

they'll just kill half their people so that they can keep, so they'll just chop them up and eat them themselves. China's vicious. They got no human rights. They don't care at all. Yeah, they don't care. And they got the type, yeah, but people will be like, oh, China, they're smart. They're going to be ahead. They're going to do this. I say, man, China's sneaky. They have no, listen, they have no concern for life at all.

When people, when, in the Soviet bloc companies, when they were going, switching over from communism, and they were switching from communism to democracies and they were breaking off. And Russia tried to come in and tried to stop these countries. They didn't fight. Like you've got all of these people that are protesting. The soldiers never fired on anybody. They weren't ordered to fire.

They didn't fire on anybody. In China, when they protested, they fired and killed a couple thousand people in Tiananmen Square. when they said, we want to be a democracy. They said, oh, fire. And they started moan them down. That's Tiananmen Square. But they didn't do that in Russia. And they're not going to do that in the United States.

And so that's my fear is that they're not going to do that. They're not going to try and, they're going to, there's going to be some kind of communist revolution. And then you get a strong man who comes to power and he will start mowing people down. Right. But right now the way, and it won't be a democracy anymore. Right. You'll have the haves and the have-nots.

And they'll just start. It'll be mass executions and it'll be mass sterilizations. And you'll get down to a workable number where AI can maybe take. Maybe in 50 years from now, you've got some kind of semi-utopian society, but far, far less people. I don't know. You saw I-Robot. Yeah. It's kind of cool, but I don't think it works unless, I don't think that works unless.

You have very, very few people. I don't think you can afford to feed the masses. You know it's crazy. They tell us a lot. See, that's one thing that we're going to miss about Hollywood when it does go all the way. Is that the movies be telling us what's going to happen. They've been talking about aliens forever, man. Oh, yeah.

Outbreak. There's tons of them. There's tons of them. And what about? The purge, right? What's that the name of that movie? The purge, man. Maybe it'll be the purge.

I've got all that. the series, by the way. I watch, there's like four of them. I've watched everyone. I own every one of them on YouTube. Wow. Honestly, the first one was pretty much the best one. Yeah, that was the best one. The first one always be the best. Yeah. The other ones were interesting, but, yeah, they were interesting, but they weren't quite as good. Which one? I'm not, I might, you just saying, see, this is kind of thing, he'll see, said that. I might watch, end up watching all four of them while I'm making furniture. Yeah. Because I told you I'm going to make some more furniture. I might just watch. I just play, I don't even

watch them. I kind of put them on YouTube and listen to them. Well, I might watch all of them try and figure out what's the best one. I need to know that. That's the kind of thing I need to know. I'm just, now that you, now are we talking about that, it kind of got me thinking like, dang, I wonder how it's really going to be.

It'll upset you, bro. If you really start thinking about it too much, it'll scare you. It will. Oh, I'm terrified. I'm always, listen, my poor wife. She's heard everything. She's heard, I'm like, I'm telling you this and this and the and she's already a conspiracy junkie. So I, I

I tell her this, she has nightmares at night. Like she can't sleep at night. But we're seeing a lot of stuff unfold now. What about what all the planes started crashing once Trump had got in office? What? Remember the... Oh, yeah. Oh, that you just mean all the...

Yeah, I'm like, how all of a sudden all these planes? I'm thinking like, I'll say, you know what? Somebody's messing with... It's a computer systems. It got to be something in this computer systems that's making these planes correct. I don't get it. Poor maintenance. It's a flu.

You know what the has no... has never, hasn't crashed at all during this time. What was that? Was, um, spirit. Yeah. Spirit, do you have to be Delta's crashing? You know how much a ticket for Delta is? Spirit's not crowd.

Spirit's not crashing. You go on spirit. Spirit and frontier might be the two safest flights you can take, man. Listen, on. I took American because I got, I get points, you know, advantage. But it's like, I was looking at them spirit tickets, man. I'm like, these $100, but they say it's so tight in there. But I'm like, I'll be tight for two hours for $100.

$200 versus paying $400. Just yesterday, Delta flight 25 cent to hospital after significant turbulence. 25 people sent to the hospital from turbulence. They're nice to you on Delta, though. Everybody's nice. On spirit, they have attitudes. It's a hood. Yeah.

I mean, the staff has attitudes. They're arguing with the- They just like, the hell with you. Like, I don't care. Listen, ma'am, I just told you. I don't know what you want me to say. I'm thinking, I don't know how many times I got to tell you, like, it's not, we're not, we're not doing it. You know, you know it's bad when they don't give our snacks.

You can't even get no free pretzels in the water. You got to pay for everything. So, you know, that's when it's like, it's cheap. But, I mean, if you just flying for an hour or so, like, it's cool, but I wouldn't take a 24-hour flight spirit. No, no, you take a six hours. I'm going to save my money. Like, I might fly spirit, but I can play to fly private if I wanted to. You know what I mean?

I wouldn't waste no money doing that. See, I'm tiny, though. I'm little, so I fit in them little seats in the back. There, it's, I got plenty. I can, I can fold my legs. Right. I can cross my legs. I can hang, hang, I'm okay.

But you're a big guy. Yeah, man. You're a little, you're more uncomfortable than me. After a while, I got to get up and scratch and fake go to the bathroom. And if I, like, like, me from like Charlotte to Vegas or L.A. or something in four, five-hour flights, man, I got the, foo. I got this, I got to fly business. I got at least have that advantage. Like, if I'm just sitting in a, no, hell no, man.

then I got a bad back to I had a guy that flew me first class when I went to Ohio he flew me first class the whole Delta first class Oh yeah And listen I was texting my wife I was like I don't think I can go back

I don't think we can't do spirit no way That's over yeah I can't I can't do it Oh Delta treats you like man Delta treats you so good man I know it's upsetting almost It's this comedian Desi Banks right He did a skit on how Delta

Treat you versus the other airlines Like, he was, like, it was so funny because with Delta, they gave, they had like a delay. They like, don't worry about it, sir. We got you. They gave one dude to Rolex. They gave one lady, like a bottle of champagne. Like, hold on. Everybody gets complimentary.

Everybody gets a refund. Everybody gets a complimentary flight. Like, but that's how, they don't give you that stuff. But, like, Delta treats you good like that. They sold down the earth. And I believe, like, when you try to get, like, because I was dating this chick one time, and she used to always try to get jobs. like being like working for the airlines and stuff

and she never got them. I say you got too many tattoos. I say and then the airlines that you're trying to work for, they're not going to look at you and not want to hire you because of tattoos and they don't feel like you courteous enough. Like your, like when you start talking, they're like, nah, we're good on you. But spirit will hire you. Frontier give you a hell of a job. You'll probably be a manager over there.

Not Delta though. You want to, what do you want to? Are you good? Yeah, we're good, man. All right. You're good. Cameras on you. Okay. So where do you want us to send people?

Oh, yeah. Social media, his website. Yeah, I got my social media, Instagram. That's the only thing I'm on for real. Is it just your name? Cash P. underscore Mowat.

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