Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Cia Spy Issues Warning Signs Of Americas Downfall Do This Now

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

Charles Finfrock, a former CIA spy, breaks down the warning signs he believes point to America's decline, and what he says we must do about it.⁣ ⁣ Charles's links - ⁣ https://vcci.io⁣ https://www.instagram.com/charles.finfrock⁣ https://linktr.ee/charles.finfrock⁣ ⁣ Do you want to be a guest? Fill out the form https://www.insidetruecrimepodcast.com/apply-to-be-a-guest⁣ ⁣ Get 10% sitewide for a limited time. Just visit https://GhostBed.com/cox and use code COX at checkout. ⁣ ⁣ Send me an email here: [e-mail]⁣ ⁣ Do you extra clips and behind the scenes content?⁣ Subscribe to my Patreon: https://patreon.com/InsideTrueCrime ⁣ ⁣ ⁣ Follow me on all socials!⁣ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/insidetruecrime/⁣ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matthewcoxtruecrime⁣ ⁣ ⁣ Do you want a custom painting done by me? Check out my Etsy Store: https://www.etsy.com/shop/coxpopart⁣ ⁣ Listen to my True Crime Podcasts anywhere: https://anchor.fm/mattcox ⁣ ⁣ Check out my true crime books! ⁣ Shark in the Housing Pool: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0851KBYCF⁣ Bent: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BV4GC7TM⁣ It's Insanity: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08KFYXKK8⁣ Devil Exposed: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TH1WT5G⁣ Devil Exposed (The Abridgment): https://www.amazon.com/dp/1070682438⁣ The Program: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0858W4G3K⁣ Bailout: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/bailout-matthew-cox/1142275402⁣ Dude, Where's My Hand-Grenade?: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BXNFHBDF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1678623676&sr=1-1⁣ ⁣ Checkout my disturbingly twisted satiric novel!⁣ Stranger Danger: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BSWQP3WX⁣ ⁣ If you would like to support me directly, I accept donations here:⁣ Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/MattCox69⁣ Cashapp: $coxcon69 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You didn't start a business just to keep the lights on. You're here to sell more today than yesterday. You're here to win. Lucky for you, Shopify built the best converting checkout on the planet. Like the just one tapping, ridiculously fast acting, sky high sales stacking, championed at checkouts. That's the good stuff right there. So if your business is in it to win it, win with Shopify. Start your free trial today at Shopify.com slash win.

Looking to grow your investing skills and make smarter decisions with your money in 2026, join Her Money's Investing Fix, the twice-monthly Women's Only Investment Club, where expert stock pickers pitch ideas and you help build the portfolio. Since launching four years ago, our member-driven picks have outperformed the S&P thanks to smart, collaborative choices. We've got a strong track record and a community that's learning and winning. together. So go to investingfix.com. That's Fix with two X's and join us. You know, there are a whole lot of us that's sworn oath to defend this country against all enemies sworn and domestic. These are enemies of America. These are enemies of our Constitution. These are enemies of our ideals. What do you think about the action we're doing against drugboats? I don't have a problem with it at all. No due process? No, I'm all right with it.

Right? I mean, aren't these just, just honest fishermen? With six outboards going 80 knots or whatever they're going. They're trying to catch really, really fast fish. Yeah. Right. And all the bundles that they're sitting on must be fish food, right? I'm okay with it. I, yeah, boom.

Like, I love watching those. I love there was a TikTok of Trump doing something. And it's basically showing the thing. It looks like he's playing a video game. Then it, boom. And he's there, everybody's like, nice job, sir. Yeah. Yeah.

I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, as soon as he designated the cartels as a foreign terrorist organization. I said, oh, it's on. Oh. He's got a plan here. Oh, oh, oh, we had 20 years of doing this. Yeah. We had to find people in places that were tough to find.

Now you can do it over lunch and be back home. You know, watching them from drones and satellites. Oh, forget about it. Forget about it. Yeah. They're fat. What do you? President Trump said they're faster than our ships, but not that are, not faster than our missiles.

Right. I was going to say, now you've got a bunch of skinny geeks sitting in a single wide trailer playing fucking video games blowing these things up. Like these kids that are. I mean, in a lot of ways, fast boats are the perfect. I mean, our military was designed to kill. kill things like fastboats. No civilians. You got six, six engines and you got, you know, a visible product on the boat. Forget about it. Forget about it. That's occurring.

But, you know, I have a buddy who's very kind of in the know or studies these types of things. And his whole thing is that he's saying the only reason he feels that Trump is now is or the government or, you know, whatever, Trump's administration is now pushing this agenda is because Venezuela, well, one, I guess the guy that's basically running it is a communist, is that right? Or socialist, whatever. And two, that they've got a massive supply of oil. And that's what my buddy is saying, well, that's why they're pushing this agenda. And they have all these boats.

And he, you know, so he's kind of giving this whole, you know, telling me this whole kind of like, hey, that's, you know, it's not right and it's not this. And I do agree that if that's the, if you're using this as a predicate to do an invasion, I disagree with that, but not so much. You know what I'm saying? I don't have a problem with it. You're still breaking the law. You're still coming in.

Like, I still have no problem with it. You're using it as kind of a pretext to invade. Once again, I don't, I also don't have a problem with invasion. I would hate that you're going to use that. as a way to invade, where I personally have no problem if you just came out and said, look, this is a communist country being run by a guy who's working with the cartels. These are all bad guys. And they got a bunch of oil.

We'd like to go in there. We'd like to see a regime change that would sell oil to us and get rid of this guy. Like, I would have no problem with that. The only problem I ever had with the invasion of Iraq. Iraq was the whole weapons of mass destruction. Like, it's like you don't like you, but you know, they, a lot of politicians will, will lie or I don't know what you want to call it. What? Mislead the, mislead people to get them to get behind their agenda.

And what bothers me is that I think that most or a lot of Americans are so passive that they have to be lied to or misled in order to get behind. an agenda that's in the best interest of the United States. And to me, I mean, if something's in the best interest of the United States, then I don't, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't, I wouldn't be like, oh, oh, they have weapons of master destruction. I mean, like, I don't care if they have weapons of mass destruction or not. They're not letting us inspect their, their stuff. That was the, that was the, that was our agreement. You're not living up to the agreement. And so we're going to invade and we're going to take all your oil, you know.

So that, that would be my take. It'd be the same thing in Venezuela. Like, we don't want a communist country or a communist dictator running this country down there. And it's on the, in South America, it's on the American, South American, so I guess the Western Hemisphere. Yeah, in the Western Hemisphere. I'll go. I'm not okay with that.

And if you said, oh, well, they're their own, you know, it's their, they're their own sovereign country. Well, not for long. I'll take care of that real quick. So I'd offer a different thought about it. And I appreciate your candor, man. That's awesome. So I'm wondering how much that Colby's going to leave in. If I kept going, it'd get brutal real quick.

I know. That's what I was trying to, yeah. Every time I've been brutal real quick, Colby's cut it out, right? You're just wasting your time. Yeah. So, okay, so I'll give you a little bit of a different take on it. So I was involved with government during the first President Trump administration. And when President Trump came in, he passed down to his cabinet secretaries and the people

that were interacting with us and saying, this guy's new. He doesn't have a historical, congressional, or senatorial record of voting on a particular thing. He wants to solve problems. He doesn't want to kick problems down the road. He doesn't want to kick the can down the road. He sees that too many times. He wants to solve big, tough, and tractable problems.

Okay. And so how do we solve these problems? And there were some conversations that were had that were fascinating. And that before you would say, well, that would be. conspiracy to murder. But, you know, we're just blue-skying things that would change the geopolitical landscape in a particular area where I'm working. All right. So it's within that framework that I look at what he's doing with the cartels and what I look at what he's doing to drug trafficking coming into the states. He's saying this is a big intractable problem. It's killing more Americans. Drugs in

America are killing more Americans and all the wars combined, right? Every year. Powder and all the other stuff, you know, all the other stuff, right? That's killing Americans. Yeah, whatever. Drugs. Drugs, yeah. The bad stuff. Yeah. The bad stuff. Okay.

So he's looking at that and saying, well, what have we been doing? Is this a law enforcement issue? Because it seems like if it's killing more Americans every year than anything else, this is a national security issue. Yeah. So what have we tried in the past? Well, law enforcement. Mm, okay. That's, you know, let's do interdiction.

Let's do this. Let's do that. And I think this is where he's looking at it like a common sense person would. Like you or I, if we were there and like, wait, so we know where the boats are? Yes, Mr. President. They're full of drugs? Yes, Mr. President. Are they coming to America where they'll offload those drugs?

It'll kill millions of Americans? Yes, Mr. President. What am I missing here? Right. Blow them up. Yeah. And what did he say today? I will kill them like dead.

I honestly think that's a common sense response to it. Now, we could get lost in the contours of the policy discussion, and I certainly lived through the Obama years where, you know, we're going to a principal's meeting and a deputy's meeting, and it gets lawyer and it gets constitutionalized and it gets all this kind of stuff back and forth, back and forth that ultimately ends in nothing.

Yeah, I was going to say, but then nothing happens. Nothing happens. It's just a state forever and nothing happens. If you get too into the weeds and you overthink a problem, there's always a reason why not to do something. Now, I don't suggest that we should be underthinking problems, but I think there's an appropriate amount of thinking. And killing us, coming from abroad,

over and over and over again, and we have the means to do something about it. Right. Do it. Right. So I got no problem with it. So I think the difference between Venezuela and Mexico is that, you know, we're friends with Mexico. Because the same kind of things happening in Mexico, right?

They're coming through the tunnels. They're coming over the border. They're probably bringing in a lot more than they're getting across from Venezuela, right? Like they're – I mean, I would think – I mean, my buddy Pete would know, for she probably know the exact number of how much is estimated to be coming across. And I'm sure it's a lot more coming across the border. Yeah, Overland is always going to outstrip airsy. Right.

But we're friends with Mexico. But the problem with Mexico at this point is that all the politicians are in some manner backed by cartel. And obviously, I don't know if you've seen recently the riots in Mexico, which I thought was great. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like, because it's people standing up and saying we don't want to be a narco state. Right. Right. And here's the thing.

Like, you don't many conversations I've had about like Mexico versus the U.S. where it's like, why is the U.S. doing so well in comparison to Mexico? And I get it. They don't have it. It's not like they're able to grow the same amount of food and they don't have the land maybe not be as good. But there's lots of other countries that it's the same exact situation and they're doing just fine.

And I think the bulk of it is because it's run by these corrupt organizations, you know, the cartels and that the politicians are in bed and that the last people they're looking out for are their own citizens. And that maybe if you got rid of all of the cartel, maybe that country could start running as well as the U.S. is running. And I'm not saying the U.S. is perfect. But throughout the world, it's running better than it's running better than it. any place else. No place is perfect. It's like people say, oh, we should fix, we always get this. How do you fix the justice system? Well, you don't. There's nothing wrong with the justice system right now. The problem is there's people involved, and you're always going to have a problem with people. You know, like it's not a, it's not a horrible system. It's just that

it's not always, it's as good as it can be. It sucks, but it's as good as it's probably could be. You could probably tweak it a little here and there, but overall, it's not a bad system. And as far as the cartel, but, you know, like how, I always, I've had, this is one of the videos we did with Colby, which never, we never released it, which was, which was my, my solution to fixing the cartel problem, which would never happen because it's so, because now society is so soft that it's, it's such a brutal way of fixing it that people would, that, that people would, that, that, all that globally, the global community would be like, what you've done is horrific. But in my opinion, in 10 years from now, nobody would give a shit.

Especially once the whole thing got reset. Like, hey, let's take... Almost like the firebombing of Dresden or Tokyo? Kind of, probably. Then in retrospect, yeah, you look at the mass casualties and the mass destruction and death and the indiscriminate death. to achieve a greater goal. That's us, then that's what has to happen.

Yeah. Do you sit and weep for Dresden and Tokyo anymore? Not even a tier, and I watched a couple of documents on it. And we've established that you are a World War II. Yeah. Boomer, not a grilling boomer at this point, right? Right, right. Got it.

Okay. So, well, I was, oh. Oh, sorry. Wait a minute. I was going to say one more thing. What? What was it? Are you talking about what your point was, how to solve it?

Yeah, well, I'm not going to get to do. It's brutal. It's brutal. It's brutal. That's the right solution is you got a gloves off. Right, right. Well, you know what? It's making me think, it's like, what are they just?

I can't believe I can't remember this country. I can picture it too. Gaza? No, the dictator that just rounded up everybody with a tattoo and stuck them in prison. El Salvador? Oh, I knew it, and I could picture it. I couldn't say it. Yeah, El Salvador.

Yeah. Right. So El Salvador, how horrible. Think about if you describe what happened. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to go in. We're going to find everybody that's related, every gang members. And everybody, this is one of the most violent, most dangerous countries in the entire world.

And here's what my solution is. My solution is we are going to go and round up every single gang member or associate of gang members and pretty much anybody with a face tattoo or a neck tattoo. We're going to round you up, stick you in prison. We're going to build massive prison, stick you in horrible conditions, and then we're going to slowly let you go through the process of the court system to figure out if we're going to let you out or not. In the meantime, if we sentence you, you can work off your time by working in factories. And when that was in the process of happening, human rights organizations were going nuts,

the UN, everybody's screaming and hollering how horrible this is. But that's one of the safest countries in the world right now. Well, Matt, you can say the same thing for North Korea, right? The lowest crime record, you know, yes, if you have no freedom of movement and, you know, all of that. Now, I think it's a little different, but yeah, a little different. There's probably, there's probably a scale. Yeah, there's probably, maybe there's a between. Yeah, probably an in-between. Yeah, probably an in-between. Well, I'll give you a perfect example. I lived in Dubai. Okay, Dubai, wonderful country in the United Arab Emirates, wonderful city, wonderful, emirate within the greater context of the United Arab Emirates. That was the model for,

would you be willing to give up a little bit of liberty for a little bit of security in Dubai you could walk out you could get up from the bar leave your wallet sitting on the bar walk in the bathroom come back your wallet's still going to be there nice yeah now you you violate a law you're going to jail if you're a foreigner who's there who's violated a law you're getting deported that's it you're gone right you talk garbage about the ruler you talk garbage about the state you talk garbage about the country you got some problems but the The tradeoff of that is the security, the safety, all of it, you have the ability to be whatever you want to be there, unlike a lot of places in the Middle East. You know, they used to say, you want to go to the bar, go to the bar. You want to go to the mosque? Go to the mosque. Live your life. Make your money.

Raise your family. Don't talk politics. Don't cause any problems. Okay. Sounds okay. I'm all right. You know, honestly, like I said, are the streets clean? No garbage on the clean.

No garbage. Streets are clean. At Medcan, we know that life's greatest moments are built on a foundation of good health, from the big milestones to the quiet winds. That's why our annual health assessment offers a physician-led, full-body checkup that provides a clear picture of your health today and may uncover early signs of conditions like heart disease and cancer. The healthier you means more moments to cherish.

Take control of your well-being and book an assessment today. Medcan, live well for life. Visit Medcan.com slash moments to get started. You know, they want to build something that gets built in like a month, not a year. Right. I mean, forget about it. It was really, it was an interesting, you know, interesting thing.

That sounds to me like what's happening in Al Salvador right now. Well, you know, like I said, there's scales, there's, there's, there's percentages, there's all that kind of stuff. Mexico. For me, I look at Mexico and I think Pakistan. Really? 100%. Why? Oh, a thousand percent. Why? Okay, so because you've got an entity under the surface that exutes a tremendous amount of power against the central government. The central government's in control titularly, right? But practically, who runs these city states? Well, if you look back at Pakistan, it was the Islamic extremists. The Pakistan government had to balance consistently what they were doing against the Islamic extremists because, and they would say, oh, well, if we push to,

hard, they'll overthrow the government. Right. You know, that's why we have to support Al-Qaeda. That's why we have to support the Taliban, you know, all these kind of things that they had. And that was always the underlying concern there. Same way in Mexico. The government says, well, if we push too hard, you know, we're going to get overthrown, we're going to this, that, and the other. And the cartels, I think, influence or wield the power, because they've got the money, they've got the guns, they've got the, all of that kind of stuff. And so designating the foreign, the designating the cartels as a foreign terrorist organization is a little bit akin to the war that we were waging in Pakistan. Now, did the Pakistani government always like all the aspects of the war that we were waging? No, does any country

want us to come in unilaterally and conduct direct action against citizens of their country? No. Of course not. Well, certainly not in public. Yeah. If you're getting rid of nuisances and people that would otherwise straighten your government, maybe they do, but not publicly. I would say Mexico very similarly. They can't come out and say, you know, they can't. It's hard for them to legitimately come out and really, really stick it to the cartels, I think. Yeah, but this, what's her name? The president of the president? The leaks that would make it look like their political parties and their candidacies and everything

was funded by a cartel money. President Shinebaum. President Shinebaum of Claudia, right? Yeah, yeah, Mexico. Yeah. So she came out, I mean, listen, she's shifted. She must be terrified because she came out the other day and gave a speech where she said it would be illegal for us to take action against the cartels.

Yeah, that's perfect. It would be illegal for us to round them up or or wage a war against the cartel. Like, are you out of your fucking mind? Like, no, come on now. Okay, so let me tell you about two legal precedents. You'll appreciate here. Title 10 and Title 50. Right, you're familiar with you one of those?

Of course. I have them pinned on my wall at home in my office. I figured. I figured. So in the national security world, we talk about two, you know, two solutions to a problem. Title 10 and Title 50. Title 10 is military action. Military action that's attributed that is the United States government

through overt military action. Title 50 is what governs the intelligence community and covert action. So when the president of Mexico comes out and says, it would be illegal, unlawful, all these things for the U.S. military to take action. I don't hear, please don't take action on my country. I hear, be cool, be cool. That sounds like a Title 50. issue. Because, you know, again, everyone has the same amount of problems, right? The problems in the world

or the problems in the world, but we choose to solve them in different sort of ways. You can do it overtly or you can do it with big flexing muscles or you can do it sort of under the behind the scenes, if you will. So she can't come out and say, please America come in here and invade my country. Right. Well, she can't probably be dead. I mean, I think that she, there's a good chance they killed the governor of that, what, the mayor of that. That one city. She is the elected representative of the people of Mexico. You know, she can't stand up and say that.

Now, can she go behind closed doors? I don't know whether she isn't. I don't have any inside knowledge, anything like that. But if I were her, I would probably walk away from that. Call up the ambassador, call up President Trump and be like, hey, I need some help. Right. Right. Let's just be cool about it.

Be cool. If we can be cool, let's be cool. It was like for that long period of time in Pakistan where there would just be unidentified explosions in areas of Pakistan and somehow, I don't know, for a whole handful of, you know, it was always number three in Al Qaeda that was at the bottom of that crater. Every number three, it was like the worst position ever. You get promoted. Congratulations, you're getting promoted.

The bad news is it's the number three. Well, number three was a guy. So I would suspect if we start to see some issues that come up in Mexico or ideally not. Nothing happened. You don't see anything. Nothing happened. The drugs are less. Cartels are less powerful? What happened? I don't know.

Anyway, what were we talking about? Right. These aren't the droids you're looking for. Right. And I don't think on the southern border that we want, I mean, it would be ideal if we didn't have overt military action in Mexico. It would be ideal if the problem just went away. Do you want to hear something that's horrible? Oh, my God.

Last time you said that now, I had to put my hand over my face. So please lay it on me, man. Tell me something horrible. These aren't the droids you're looking for. Uh-huh. Colby doesn't get the reference. Star Wars. Oh, damn. Let's go. Let's go.

Look, the A student didn't get it. That's probably the first movie reference I've gotten in the five years. Usually I'm like, somebody will say something. I'm like, he doesn't know because they'll reference a movie anyone, the 80s are 90s. I was saying the other day, I was like, oh, it's like Three's Company out there. People are coming and going, and I got looks like, what are you talking about? And then I said the other day, I said, you remember when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? And they're like, what?

Why would the Germans do that? No, the Germans, you mean the Japanese, go ahead, sorry. Yeah, yeah, and I'm like, what does it matter with you? You don't watch Animal House, you know, Three's Company, come on, man. Come on. It's no good. It's no good. This happens all the time with Colby.

That's the first time he's actually said, I figured for sure he would. How do you know that? Have you seen the movie? Yeah, I watched the movies. I watched the movies about. No, it's a meme. It's a meme. Of course, these aren't the droids you're looking for.

Of course it's a meme. He wouldn't have seen the movie. Star Wars. 77, he'd look at the special effects. He's like, forget about it. That's ridiculous. It's a great way. What is that a thing on a string?

Come on. These aren't the droids you're looking for. So you think, do you think there is a way to stop drugs coming in or across the border? Look, we used to talk about in the counterterrorism realm. You can't kill your way out of it. Well, as it turns out, but how, but how, but how often, I mean, does it, it doesn't stop 100%, but it's, The last time you heard of a car bomb.

I just heard of one in Pakistan the other day. And my jaw dropped because I was like, huh, about them apples. Because they were doing it all the time. Yeah, yeah. Remember back in the post-9-11 and honestly the years before 9-11 when they were trying as desperately as they could to get our attention, whether they're bombing our embassies in Africa or bombing our warships in the Gulf of Aden? They were attacked Al-Kobar Bowers.

I was 18 years old the first time I heard a terrorist bomb go off when I was in the Middle East. And I lived my life hearing that. all the time. Live my life. Oh, jihadis. Oh, we have to combat it with hearts and minds and hearts and minds. You can't kill your way out of it. Wrong. Wrong. As it turns out, you kill enough of them? They can't make them fast enough. And the ones you can make realize, oh, maybe this is a better way. Yeah, there is. Maybe I'm better off not. And so you telling me, can we stop drugs coming into this country. I'm telling you, we absolutely can. I'm also telling you, it's not a matter of can we. it's a matter of will we.

Right. That's a matter of will. That's a matter of will on both sides of the border. Now, people on the south side of the border are going to say, as long as there's demand, they'll always be supply, Adam Smith, blah, blah, blah, blah. 100%. 100%. There's a reason why we don't have a lot of drug users in Thailand.

Why? Because they're, well, the criminals are, I mean, aren't there. It's a capital offense. Okay, I was going to say, aren't they? Use is a capital offense. There aren't they, I was just going to say, are they either. executed or locked up for hours. Yeah, we don't spend a lot of time talking about harm reduction in places like that.

Yeah. Right. And so now, that's what Mexico would say. Mexico would say it's not a supply problem, it's a demand problem. Because as long as there is demand, there will be supply. We're shutting down the rat lines coming through Mexico. So what's happening now? Well, you know, the snow is starting to fall from Columbia again.

Right. You know, it's back to the future. It's a good old days back again. And it's pure as a driven snow coming out of Columbia, right? So that's what some people would argue. As long as there's demand, there's going to be supply. Now as a free market capitalist, that makes a lot of sense to me. Right.

But as someone who fought in the GWAT, the global war on terror over the last 20-some years, I can tell you, if you're concerned about an organization that's well-funded, that's well-equipped, that has an organization to it, you can kill it. Okay. If you want to. That still means that there's a demand. Oh, yeah. So what about a mix of you close off the borders? You stop it coming over the border. You stop it coming from land, see everything, as much as you can.

You're always going to something's going to slip through. But for the most part, you cut it off and you legalize not all drugs, but let's say some drugs. You legalize some drugs because they legalize marijuana. And I don't see every place collapsing as a result of that. So if you legalize some drugs, you know, across the country, then wouldn't that, some semblance of the of the drugs that are coming over, not just marijuana, but on a larger scale, wouldn't that alleviate some of the supply? If you made them, you know, let's say reasonably priced. Because right now my understanding is that if you're getting legalized bud, that it's extremely expensive. So if you made it, I don't even know what the prices are, but somebody told me that once. So I thought somebody told me. Oh, that's why I read on the internet. No, I don't partakes.

But I'm saying if they said, hey, we're going to go ahead and have the pharmaceutical companies, you know, we're going to legalize these certain drugs. And now suddenly it's like, okay, well, it's cheaper to buy it here. And that eliminates a chunk of the demand. And it's very difficult to get it across the border in any, you know, like you said, land air or sea, then doesn't suddenly, doesn't the cartel activity, along with being, you know, knocked off. you know, knocked off, doesn't that pretty much dry that hole? Doesn't that take care of that? And now suddenly these people have to go get jobs? You know, I'll tell you, my expertise definitely is not in demand reduction. Okay.

Now, here's where I look at, you know, big, big picture. Legalizing aspects of it, regulating it and taxing it. Now it's safer. And now you generate the money. And just because I love irony, you know what I'd do with that tax money? Ooh, open rehabs. No, no, that wasn't where I was going. Oh, I was going to say I'd open rehabs.

I would. I would take that and I let all these people out of jail. Not everybody, you know, everybody would reduce those. And I'd say, hey, rehabs. I mean, that's a good idea for the demand reduction side. I was just thinking if I had all that extra money. Right. Bombs?

Yeah. Yeah. Bombs. Yeah. But you have to think, in some point that's, you know, let them fund their own demise. Yeah. Because again, I like irony. So I'm going to.

Well, I think at some point, the 12-year-old kid sees that, to stop seeing the cartel members driving around in cool cars and being the big show. shots and he stops aspiring to be that person and says, hey, you know what, maybe I should work in that new Ford Motor Plant they just opened up. These guys, they've got a, you know, they've got a retirement fund and dental, and it's not that bad of a job, and I don't ever have to be blown up like my uncle Tommy, and I don't have to go to prison for the rest of my life, like my cousin. I mean, look, you've got a picture of Al Capone on the wall. When's the last time that we indicted a bootlegger? Yeah, exactly. Oh, exactly. Could you imagine the guys that got locked up for

like five or ten years for running bootlegs. And then the next six months later they fucking... Antise or Bush is in? Yeah. It's legal? Jack Daniels. I mean, you're like, come on. Yeah.

No, you look, I think from a demand reduction point, I think there is some room for us to look at the current drug legislation and say, does this make sense? And more importantly, does it represent the will of the majority of the people? You know, for some of the drugs that have been legalized, the devil's lettuce, you You know, or whatever? You like that? You like that? Yeah.

Thanks, man. That's old school. All right. That's old school. Left handed cigarettes and all that stuff. Right. Regulated and tax it. If we all say it's cool, then fine.

Right. I mean, I'm not going to say whether it is or not. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a biologist. Now, I would say I'd keep it the hell away from pharmaceutical companies. I'd give it to Coca-Cola. Give it to a commercial company that knows how to give it to Anheiser-Busch. Don't give it to Johnson and Johnson.

and they'll charge $800 for something you should be able to get for... Yeah, you're growing these things in your backyard. 100%. 100%, right? Come on. Some of the other stuff, fine. But yeah, I mean, but that's the argument, right? As long as there's demand, there'll be supplying.

That's basic economics. And if we cut it off from Mexico, it'll come from Canada. If we cut it off from Canada and Mexico, then we'll have the drone invasion full of drugs coming in, you know, whatever. Right. But if we're supplying it ourselves, then you don't have to worry about that at all this. Correct. And it's taxed. you take part of that money and open up rehab centers and care facilities and places where you get hugs

and then and then other places, you know, that's what we use to fund operations to address the supply issue. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. In a biblical sense. I like that kind of a balance. A balance. Look at me and you.

We're like, we're not all in on any one thing. Right. Right. We're reasonable people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're addressing both sides of it.

Yeah. Addressing the demand and, you know, reducing the supply. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, what was the other thing was that the other, uh, the other problem with Venezuela is that, you know, obviously we don't want... I don't buy the oil argument, by the way. Really? What about China?

I also have the China one that the concern is that China is going to start opening bases or whatever, and we don't want China getting a foothold. No, certainly not. In the Western Hemisphere, again, Monroe Doctrine, I mean, they've got it in Havana, and they've got a couple of other places are in Cuba. I don't, the reason I don't buy the oil argument is because we have such a large, rich, untapped reserve of oil in this country. Yeah, but that's what it's untouched. Like there's so many rules and laws.

Well, that's what I'm saying. I mean, would you rather adjust the, yeah, that's the irony of, would you rather adjust the rules and do it from here? Would you rather invade another country and take their oil? I would rather do it domestically where we can create jobs and economy and we can do it the right way and safe and all that stuff. I don't mind the invasion part. I'm typically, I don't, I don't, you know, colonization has a bad rap, in my opinion.

But, you know, I don't, I think a lot of these countries did have done well for me. from colonization. Anyway, and I mean that in the... You know, you sound like me when I got like four beers in me, you know, but... No, I'm just saying, oh, it's horrible. Like, really? It's not that bad. I mean, you know, there's a lot...

I would just make them states. Well, I was just going to say, I think there's a lot of places in the world that would say, I could be the poorest state in the United States or my current country. Well, I'll be the poorest state in the U.S. Because that's better, you know. But again, hey, there's a lot of countries that have a lot of things going on, not just us. And, you know, we're not perfect and all that good stuff. And I love the idea of Alberta being the 51st state.

I loved when that was going on. I would love, listen, I think, I think Ukraine would make a great state. I think, you know, rough neighborhood, man. That's a rough neighborhood. I mean, I get it. Yeah, eventually. It's kind of like absorbing. I remember, you know, I've often thought, like, how could you absorb Mexico?

but it would be just, it's so poor. It'd just be devastating. But you know, you could probably take portions of it, right? Because they're broken up into basically states also. You could go in and take so many, to do like a 10-year plan. You're take these for five years, for 10 years, five years. Then we'll take these five years and these for five years. And eventually, they're just, you know, now we've got 62 states instead of 50.

I mean, you know, these are things. Like nobody's looking back and complaining about a lot of the, about the states that used be country or the colonies or the, you know, so eventually they just kind of just like, this is just the way it is. I mean, yeah, the Indians are still complaining a little bit, but nobody's playing attention. They're still on reservations. I love it when it's all stolen land.

Like, come on, stop. They were stealing land from each other. Stop. It's fine. I'm not going anywhere. I was born here. Now, listen, I'll go, I'll go. I'll go back to the UK.

I will go a little bit of the way to say that the concept of a nation state is a relatively recent invention, right? It's only in the last couple hundred years that we've had the concept of a nation state with defined borders and central governments and all that. Before then, principalities, it was areas, but it wasn't a defined nation state. I could potentially see the lessening of the traditional concept of a nation state. I could see that. I mean, it's somewhere short of, you know, territorial expansion or colonialism. But, you know, if you no longer identify with your nation state and you view yourself either as a citizen of the world or of the citizen of a citizen of a,

an area, you know, but people coming together because they share a common belief or common goals or a common view on the world. I don't mind that as much. A lot of the nation states and the traditional boundaries and borders we have right now, we're sort of arbitrarily drawn up at a certain point that didn't, you know, disregarded tribes and disregarded history. But I don't know, man. I feel like Mexico, that that'd be the giant Colin Powell. If you, you know, if you break it, you bought it. What do you call that, the Pottery Barn rule, foreign policy? You break it. You I have no idea what you're saying. That's what Colin Powell said before we invaded Iraq.

That was one of the things he said was, if you break it, you bought it. The pottery barn rule, like if you have your kid in the store, right? You break the thing, you got to buy it. You break the country. Now you own it. Now you got it. So, you know, again, that's where I say with Mexico, you break it, you buy it. Right.

Yeah, yeah. Which is part of the, you know, it is some of the things, some of the contour, some of the considerations, if you would go into it in a, harder power area where you're going to destabilize the government by taking actions against areas. Now you have to manage it. Now you're in it. Yeah, now you have to come in it.

You break it, you buy it. Right. And if we're saying that's a big enough national security issue that we should do that, okay. But if we're just going in and helping almost like, I don't know, I rewatched Narcos lately because of the cartel thing. And, you know, I've got a son. We watched Narcos.

I was telling him about, you know, Colombia back in the days. and it was one of my first. It's a good time. Yeah, it's a good time. What are you going to talk about at the kid? You know, I was like, well, there's no shit there I was. As was, one of the very first projects I worked on in the government when I was interning at one of the federal agencies was playing Columbia.

And, you know, the things that we're doing to support the Colombian government, Escobar and after Escobar time, but against the other cartels. Anyway, you can do things as a government to support the central government, to empower the central government, even not necessarily in their name, but that will make things easier for them. That would be what I would suggest all the way back to what I was saying before about a Title 50 or a Title 10. There's ways that we can help reduce the threats of the Mexican central government and the power of the non-state actors in Mexico. That's what I think. That's where I hope that we are and where we should be.

Well, we talked about this in another video, but there are foreign governments that are actively trying to influence the U.S. There is a growing divide in the U.S. There are people that are just, it's just both sides seem to be getting more and more polarized. Now, since Trump took office, because we had done a video prior to Trump doing office with a guy named Rudyard who has a channel called Alt History, where he does deep dives into kind of like it's alternative history. like what if the South had won the Civil War? And then he, so he did that one. I've watched that one if you know, which is really horrible, by the way, because he's so good at what he does that even if you have kind of preconceived notions on what would have ultimately happened, you know, he's read so much and he's so well read. And he doesn't seem to have an agenda that, you know, ultimately the, the North would have, even if there had been a,

even if the South had won and let's say there was two separate countries, ultimately the North would win. Because what happens is ultimately that the South would have remained a slave nation. They never would have evolved. They never would have brought in technology. They wouldn't have industrialized. They would have relied on the labor of slavery. And ultimately, what happened during the Civil War and after the Civil War was there was, There was a massive, massive boom in industrialization.

And so what happens is they just got richer and richer and richer. And if there was ever another conflict, it would be just overwhelming. And he really goes into it and you realize like, fuck, he's right, man. Like ultimately, they would have never, they would have never been able to compete with the north. And so it's a super interesting video I watch. It's short. It's like 30, 45 minutes. And the other video he did, and this is why we had had him on the program like a year or two ago.

He came on the program. And the other video we had talked about was people were actively at that time. It was prior to the election. And they were talking about, and this was, I think this was just, was it just after Trump had been shot? No, or before. Should have been before, I think. Really? Wow.

Because he basically, we were talking about in cells and talking about the country. And he had done a deep dive on a video that was probably 30 or 45 minutes also where what if there was a current civil war? And that is a fascinating video. And so I think that and if Colby's right, then that. That's prior to. Was it prior? I'm wrong. Oh, okay.

I was going to say. So, yeah, well, was it just after? Yeah, yeah, it was just after because Trump was shot July 13th, 2024, and the video was posted in August 11th. Oh, okay. So it definitely was after. Okay, that makes sense. Because I think that's probably one of the things that pushed us over trying to, like, we got to get this guy in the program. So my thought is that at that point, it was, I would say the country was more the liberal

agenda was being pushed more. Biden was president. And then Trump has kind of, you know, Trump has come in. And then so now there's there's kind of, I feel like the pendulum has swung slightly to the right. But there's still this great divide. And there's still assassinations. There's still assassination attempts. There's still this real rift. And it just seems like it's, you know, I, it still seems polarized. And I'm wondering with political, with foreign influence, the political, right now the strip between the separation between the political, you know, ideologies, what is your thought on a possible, you know, some type of, and people are also pushing the whole Trump running for a third term, which, you know, I don't think is possible.

But what are your thoughts on just the general kind of the country and what's happening in the country right now. And he just keeps going. Everybody just keeps being miserable. I've never seen it this bad. I mean, I'm an old man, so I've watched a lot. Yeah. You know, I've seen a lot.

You're kind of an old guy, too. I mean, that nicest possible way. I mean, you're, you know, you've been around. Listen, I self-identify as a 28-year-old, so. No, you know, I used to have this conversation with my now ex-wife a lot. She'd say, oh, five, six, seven, eight years ago. It's worse now than it's ever been. You think that's true?

Or you think not? Well, at the time, I would say we were in literally a civil war. Yeah, that's probably the worst. Literally a civil war. You could probably argue that that was the worst. The worst. Yeah. Right.

And then if you look through history in times of the civil rights era, if you look at the assassinations of Kennedy, King, Kennedy, you know, down through. And then you look at the Vietnam War and you look at the protests. And you look at the Summer of Love there at 68 and what was happening in Chicago. and the big riots and the riots and Watts. And, you know, there have been definite periods of time where we have been through significant strife and conflict. It always feels worse now. But now, anything that happens anywhere gets amplified.

That makes me feel a little bit better. Yeah. I feel a little bit better just hearing that. I don't know why. Okay, great. Well, hold on because I'm going to tell you here in a second. Okay. Now.

Pull you back. Yeah, sorry. That was the good news. Yeah. The other news for me, I think in a lot of ways social media has driven us to farther extremes. I think the vast majority of people are still in the middle, I think. But the social media and the algorithms have amplified the fringes on either side, their ability to have an outsized platform for their actual percentage of support.

And the problem is it captures the people on the left and on the right, and it makes us think that we are so... In the right? So in unfixable. and the other thing that I think that has become normalized is the hatred and the language that we use. You know, you're a Nazi, you're a fascist. Well, you have no option but to fight to the death against someone you would believe is a Nazi or a fascist. I think that level of discourse.

I think if you look at, who was it the day, John Fetterman, Senator out of Pennsylvania was talking about how scary the social media. is on the left. He said, Blue Sky. He said, listen, people on the right, they make fun of me, they call me names. Oh, yeah, it's not pleasant. It's not pleasant. But he said the people on the left on Blue Sky are saying, too bad that stroke didn't get you. Why did your doctor save you? Yeah. You know, and it's a lot of this death culture. What we saw when Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Yeah. You know, how many people were celebrating the death of this man? Who celebrates the death of anybody? Right. That's right. I mean, it's, it's incomprehensible. So I think that in a way, that powder keg is there.

Now, I will say I travel around the country. I talk to a lot of people from a lot of different backgrounds. As I said earlier, I talk to people on both sides of the aisle. And the reason why I think President Trump is so popular, the reason why he won this the last election so handily, he represents, if not the way we would say it, what a lot of people would say. Right. There's some obvious truths about life.

and and we went through a period of time where black was white and white was black and up was down and you could be anything you wanted to be you know trust the science on this but if you don't know how many genders there are you're you're a racist bigot misogynist fascist Nazi whatever and there were so many things that that just just just just just just you know it was incredulous you know people would say things and it was crazy it was crazy objectively objectively crazy Nuts! Right. Over the moon.

Right. So, okay, so back to your question. Where do you think we're coming down as far as a Civil War? I think there's enough of us. If you try to take us back to insanity land, no thanks. Nah, I don't think so. And if you think that's normal, you know, and, you know, I sit around and have some drinks and sit around to fire and just talk. Real people, reasonable people, intelligent people, experienced people, people who've been in war.

And they know what a civil war looks like and what a failed state looks like and hope to hell that our country never gets to that point. But at a certain point, and I've said this before, and I'll say it again, you know, there are a whole lot of us that swore an oath to defend this country against all enemies foreign and domestic. And there have been times and not in super distant times where, okay, we ready then? We swore an oath. Right. Is it time? Right now? Because these are enemies of America.

These are enemies of our Constitution. These are enemies of our ideals. Their ideals are not our ideals. What they're bringing in, they want to turn our country into what they, what hell whole they came from? No, thanks. That's not what we're here for. And I'm not even here to say, that's okay.

Oh, you can do whatever you want to do. No, not I'm not even going to say that anymore. Right. Cram that stuff down my throat, down my kids' throat in school. Cancel me? Shut us down? No, thanks. And I think Trump, President Trump, has spoken the voice.

He had the courage. He had the courage to stand up there at great personal risk of fortune in blood to say the things that a lot of people were thinking. Now, would he have said him in the same voice that we would have? I don't know. I'd love to think God be more articulate and compassionate and empathetic and all those other things. But I'm not there. Right. He is.

And he said it. And like I said, I mean, I would like to say that I would say it much better, but, boy, I don't know if I'd change what I said. What he said. The spirit of the conversation, but we'll still be there. Yeah, of course. Statement. And so for me, where are we in the civil war spectrum? I don't know.

I feel a lot better now. We'll see what happens in a couple of years. We'll see what happens at the midterms. But now, okay, so now, hey, democracy's working, man. Let's check it out. You elected a communist in New York? Cool. Let's see how that works out for you.

Yeah. It's not working anywhere else. You know, and maybe you're right. maybe this time will be better. You know, because hypothetically, theoretically, what a marvelous system. Everyone is equally prosperous and everyone's happy. And that sounds great. Yeah.

I mean, you know, except for all the people that would do it. And that's never really how it's ever worked. And it usually causes, you know, widespread, you know, poverty and widespread suffering and all that. But, you know, maybe it'll be different this time. Well, you know, I've always said that, you know, the concept of communism is, it is great. It's wonderful. We all kind of work together. We all work for humanity.

We all take care of each other. But, you know. Sounds marvelous. Right. It's just. Disassociated from reality. It just doesn't work like that. It doesn't work.

It doesn't work in general. And I'm not going to work three times as hard as you so that I can make money to give you the guy who didn't work a portion of my money. I personally don't want to give you any of my money. I personally think if you, you know, you starve to death and disappear. I'd be okay. You know what I'm saying? Like I mean, I'm, it just kills me that we, what do you, I see Colby. That's a TikTok.

Okay. At the end of okay is the TikTok. See, I see Colby, he's sitting there watching and all of a sudden he goes, I see him making a note and I think, he's going to cut that. So, but I, I, so what, what I think is that, you know, those, those things, it, real, real life doesn't work like that. It doesn't, you know, it just, it just doesn't. And it's sad.

And I wish it did. I wish everybody, you know, could take care of each other. But, you know, it's, we're still just animals. And, and in the end, like, you can't have, you have the upper, you know, you have the upper 5% paying, you know, 50, 60% of all the taxes. And, you know, it's, it's not, like, it's not right to, you know, because you had five kids and you, you know, I mean, it's, you know, it's, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a same thing with New York, like these, these, these, well, first of all. he's, it's almost impossible for him to do the things that he wants to do. Like you're not going, like, it is a, it is a bureaucracy. See, that's the good news is if he's a traditional politician where it's just a bunch of

blah, blah, blah. Oh, you never thought I'd actually do that. Right. Well, the great thing, he'll make the attempt, like, hey, he'll put in the bill or he'll ask for this and he'll be turned down and he'll say, they're the ones. I wanted to do it. They turned it down. It was Albany.

I tried to, you know, have breadlines right here, but they wouldn't let me. Right. Yeah. But the problem is, is that if those. those types of policies were put into place, then the rich would leave. They would leave. You know, they just leave New York. And then, and it's happened, you know, over and over and over again, where they start

taxing the hell out of the rich. And then the rich leave. And then not only does it not raise the amount of the tax base of what's coming in, it actually reduces it. Like, you raised the taxes and you got less this year than you did the price. years when it was left. Why? Well, because all of these people left, they fled the city. Like, New York's, you know, I'm sure it's a wonderful place, but you can deal with the heat in Florida if you're going to make a few hundred thousand dollars more. So, Matt, here's what really

excites me, though, about this. Right. This is how it's supposed to work. Right. Hey, you think that you should raise taxes because that will raise revenue. I would say we lower taxes because that raises revenue. But it's cool. Vote your side. Let's see how it works out. That doesn't work out a couple of years later. Let's vote it again. That's how it's supposed to work, right? I love that when we start talking about issues,

when we start talking about ideology, when there is an ideological difference. I'll tell you, the J.D. Vance, Tim Waltz, was one of the better debates I've seen in years in the vice presidential debate, when they both with civility and articulation, articulated two wildly different views about the way the country should work.

That's great. That's why we have democracy. Where I, so as long as I hear discourse like that and hey, let's give this a shot, let's give that a shot, but there's a chance to move it around and there's a chance to, you know, reverse it with the vote, I think we're great. That's healthy. When we have a permanent one-time ruling class or they're trying to do things that are going to be irreversible or they're trying to force their view on everyone else, you know, we've taken great cities in this country and we've run them into the ground. You know, I mean, we can just rip the names of them off, right? Of all these cities. that now, and they're all predominantly ruled by one party. And they have been for years and years and years and years and years. The thing that we can't let happen is for that to happen to the country as a whole. And I think that's where a lot of us would say, no, we're not going to do that.

That's worth fighting for. Yeah. I hope not. But, no, I mean, look, it's weird to even think in those kind of terms, but I think that you're a little bit naive, if you're not thinking in those kind of terms, or at least were a year ago, we'll see what happens. Did you see the movie Civil War?

Of course. Okay, nice. I think I asked you this last time you were here. You may have. I think you hadn't seen it. Oh, I don't know, I saw it pretty, like a year or so.

I saw it pretty Ricky Tick when it came out. Oh, did you? Oh, I was waiting for it. Mostly because we talked about it, it broke a taboo. Yeah, yeah. It was, you know, it just bothered me that he, they muddied the line

so you didn't really, that bothered me that, you know, he didn't pick a side. He didn't say, hey, this is, and it bothered me that they never, in the movie, they, you know, they follow it from the journalist's perspective, right? And with the budget that they had, they did an amazing job. I think it was A24 films. But what, what bothered me is that, like, to me, I, of course, was like, wait, how did this happen?

How, what sparked the, the, this? How did, how did they determine? you know, which, because obviously in my mind, the, you have the military cited certain parts of the country side, their military went one way. And I'm assuming that's National Guards, stuck with certain states. Another National Guard stuck with certain states. And I'm assuming also that the, that the military in general was split somehow because there was an actual war that had been, that went on for a while. But I always wonder, because there's usually, a spark. You know what I'm saying? Like, what was the spark? What was the, what happened that

caused this? Was there, was there, was it one thing or several things? And then what was the first shot that was five? Like to me, that could have been that, you know, I wanted another, it's one of those movies, one of those few movies now that you want a prequel to. Or, yeah, a prequel would be great. Or I wanted an extra 30 minutes where if you go to any Marvel movie now within an hour in 10 minutes, you're like, let's wrap this up. How much more time do we have? My wife's like, we got another hour and 20 minutes. I'm like, we're leaving. We're leaving. We'll watch it on YouTube. I'll buy it in two weeks. I'll pay the $40. So, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's short. They, I wanted to know, you could have shown me the spark that ignited this whole thing and

what states, it was just so muddy, you don't know who's who. Other than that, I thought it was, I thought it was great. The last 15 minutes, I I think is where they spent all the money, where it's the kind of the fighting in Washington. Yeah, which was, that was great stuff. Yeah. It was all good stuff, bro. It was a good movie. But I do need to know, I do need to know what sparked it.

What pushed it over the edge? How does that happen? Was it, was it Ken State where the National Guard fired into the crowd? You know, like we're not there yet. Mm-hmm. You know, so that's another good thing, what kind of what you've, had said before was that, yeah, we're not quite there where we're firing into crowds, but it ain't good. Oh, well, you were talking about the episode you did last fall pre and post the

attempt on, attempt on President Trump. Yes. Oh, yeah, no. Could you imagine? What? Had he been? Oh, yeah, two inches to the left or right? Yeah, he, yeah. I don't know what this country would look like. I mean, God bless, God protected him and God protected us by making that shot miss. I don't know what this would look like. I hesitate to even guess. Hesitate to even guess. So I don't know. I don't think right now I'm feeling pretty good about where we are.

But that's in general just based on, I think, where we're moving in the direction as a country. I'm afraid that we're going to get a whiplash and we're going to get... I think the weaponization of the DOJ is something that could help rip the fabric of this country. country apart, you know, we can't be a country where you persecute the losers of the election. We just can't. And unfortunately, I think that's where we are. But that's not this administration. That was last administration. That was a weaponization of law enforcement, weaponization, DOJ. I hope that goes away. That's problematic. Hey, more importantly, what do you think is going to happen with all the release of these files?

Are you in there? Did you go to the island? The Epstein thing? I can't believe this is still going on. I can't believe anybody even, you know, at this point really tears all that much. And you're never going to get the, just because you're never going to get the truth. You're never going to know the truth. If somebody was on this plane and flew here and went here six times and three times and, okay, well, you know, like, and let's say they did something.

Well, haven't all those women been talked to? Like, why aren't they saying, oh, Jimmy? and Bob and Tom. You know, like, it's like you're desperately, you're waiting for this stuff to be put out there so that you can find people. Like, I have no doubt that there were many, many people that went to that island

and were friends with Epstein. Is it Jeff? What is it? Jeffrey Epstein. Jeff. You and Jeff. I didn't know. I mean, hey, you know.

Jeff E. Like, if, I'm sure there were plenty of people that were friends or new, Jeffrey Epstein that knew him as a financier, met with him multiple times, had lunch with him, maybe invested money, maybe just wanted to be around him because he was giving people financial advice, or whatever, I know so-and-so, who knows so-and-so, this guy's coming in, he's going to be there, I'll meet him, let me get a picture taken with him. And then five years later or ten years later found out that this guy is really kind of a sicko,

and he's got this island and or maybe even you went to the island and you never saw anything. And now I'm on some fucking chart and I'm listed. I'm listed among a bunch of other people. And it's like, holy Jesus. Like I didn't realize this was going on. And now some of those people, their lives will be, I don't know if they'll be ruined, but they'll be irrevocably changed or smeared in some way. And they probably had nothing to do with anything.

Now, I'm sure there's some real weirdos or there's some sickos there too. But I don't think being on a list. on that you got on an airplane, it should destroy anybody. I mean, you know, I just think they're putting so much emphasis on this whole thing. I also don't think he was killed. I think he committed suicide. I've been in those federal prisons, and I can't imagine that you could get in there and kill this guy.

And, you know, I think that, you know, and the, oh, the camera didn't work. Well, the cameras don't work, bro. I've been in prison. Trust me. A lot of them don't work. Yeah. I've had conversations specifically with my, or with our counselor, where things were getting stolen one time off this. We had MP3 players and you could charge it on a charger. And there's a

camera right there. It's a fish-eyed camera, the ball thing. And I went to him and I was like, and some bunch of stuff been stolen. I said, hey, man, I said, I said, all these things get stolen. These MP3, every once in a while somebody steals one, right? Because you could unplug it and you could use it to light as a lighter. They figured out how to use the battery as like a lighter that was inside of it. Yeah. I was like, why don't you guys just like, when I was stolen a week ago, why don't you guys just check the camera? Because these guys literally know, like, hey, within this 12-minute period of time, this thing was stolen. I'm like, why don't you just look at the camera?

And he's like, the fucking camera don't work. The camera hasn't worked in fucking ever. He's, I could go right now and look it up. That camera hasn't worked in two years. And it's like, he's like, half the cameras don't work. And I've been in the SIS office where they have banks of cameras and like half of them are black. Like, and they'll tell you, like, yeah, they don't work. Yeah. Lots of them don't work.

They just don't work. So, you know, oh, and the guy was one of the guards was asleep. I can't tell you how many times the guards were asleep. If you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be. Whether you're having trouble falling asleep, you're waking up sweating in the middle of the night or all of the above. That's where Ghostbed can help. As the makers of the coolest beds in the world, Ghostbed is your go-to for cooling mattresses, cooling pillows, and cooling bedding. From their signature ghost ice fabric to patented technology that adjusts to your body's temperature,

every ghost bed mattress is designed with cooling in mind. So whether you want a plusher mattress that cushions your shoulders and hips or a firm option with exceptional support, your ghost bed will keep you cool and comfortable all night long. When you purchase a ghost bed mattress, your comfort is guaranteed. You can try out your mattress for 101 nights, risk-free, to make sure it's the right fit for you. Plus, they offer free shipping, and most items are shipped within 24 hours. If you're not sure which ghost bed is right for you, check out their mattress quiz. You'll answer a few questions and get a personalized recommendation. Just visit ghostbed.com slash Cox and use code Cox at the checkout.

These aren't soldiers like, you know, they're not, they're not, they're not, these aren't soldiers like walk in a fence line or something. These guys are in the office. I'm surprised they are awake as much as they are. So, yeah, it's, you know, there's all kinds of things. I just think it's, it's such, it's just, you know, it's smoke and mirrors. It's, you know, look over here, look over here. Like, come on, aren't there more important things? Right.

to be doing than this. I could care less who was on that, you know, on that island. It's fascinating, you know, when we're in the throes of the government shut down and people are losing health benefits and all of a sudden from the ashes of nowhere, rises the Epstein files. Yeah. Like you just said, look over here. Look over here.

And the problem is, I think, we fall for it. Yeah. Oh, look over here. Because if you control all the media, you're able to, you know, capture the news cycle. Right. And now we've already forgotten. Shut down. What shutdown?

It's kind of like we've got the governor of California after he let a state burn down and, you know, certain great cities in his state have turned to, you know, garbage. And all of a sudden, you know, now he's the greatest thing since sliced bread because he's doing podcasts and all that stuff. And it's like, whoa, this was a dude who let his state burn down. Yeah. What? Running a failed state. And we're propping him up. He came into the, he came into the job with a surplus and now they've got a huge deficit.

And now he's what, talking about that there are people in general talking about, like, Like, hey, he should run the country. He should run the country. Right. No, though, they ran a poll. People would trust him, you know, 10 times as much as President Trump because he had a poll. Yeah, I don't believe the polls anymore.

Well, I believe the polls. I mean, look, I can run a poll. I just asked that poll and that poll and that poll, and I already had the answers. So, come on, get out of here. Yeah. I think Biden was winning by 15% or something like that. Oh, Hillary was up 10.

Don't even bother voting. It's a sland dunk. Listen, that was the talk about the funniest fucking day in prison. The day after Trump won? Yeah. I went to bed. So I went to – Yeah, because Hillary, it was –

She was winning. She was done. Why even bother? And I was just like, you know, it's late, man. I'm going to bed. Like, it's – like, they let us stay up. We had to be – we had to go back to ourselves and get counted at 10. Yeah.

And then they opened up the TV room and said, okay, we're going to let you guys stay up until 12 to kind of watch this. Yeah, yeah, so anyway, when they called count, like I was like, yeah, I think I did maybe walk back there. Or maybe I've left early. I was just, yeah, I'm done. I'm done. I went back to my, got counted, whatever. Went to bed, woke up the next morning because, you know, it was a foregone conclusion. Done deal.

And if you thought it wasn't a done deal, you were an idiot. Yeah, you're an idiot. Yeah. And I walked over and I heated up my coffee and I got my coffee at that thing. I came walking out. There's a bank of computers where you can log on to the inmate email system, which is called CoreLink. So, and that's all it does. So there's chairs there.

And there's like four or five black guys. and as I'm walking by, like, and this was on, I want to say it was like a Saturday morning. Wednesday morning, but. Oh, was it Wednesday morning? I think the election is usually that first Tuesday in November. Oh, okay, whatever. So listen, whatever it was, it was quiet. Yeah.

It was quiet. And usually it's a little rowdy. And so I was walking out with my coffee. And I remember thinking, boy, everything's so quiet. And everybody looks like, what's going on here? Like, this is a, I could feel, you know, you get that intuition. Something's wrong. And then I thought, oh, fuck, the election.

And so I looked over the black guys. And one of the guys's name was, I think is, was his name one or six? I don't know. Let's say six. And I go, hey, six. Oh, they all have names. Is that real name or is that? No.

They names their child six. I said, hey, six. And he's like, and he looks at me. He's like, actually, we know a six. Yeah. We do know a six. But this guy was different. I don't think he spelled it the same way as R6.

He's got a special spelling. So I look over and I'm like, hey, what happened with? Actually, I think it was one. I'm going to go with one because I do think it was one. And I go, one was huge, like six foot six. And I looked at it. I said, hey, one. I said, hey, one. I said, who won the election?

Like that thinking for sure was Hillary. Yeah. And he goes, man, fuck you, Cox. You know who won that shit? And I went, no. No. Are you serious? And man, motherfucker, you know, it's damn red.

That fucking cracker, motherfucker. And they starts. And I was like, oh. Oh, my God. So fucking funny. I was dying. I'm walking around. Like, everybody that, all the guys, there was only, well, there's a lot of guys.

But a few guys I was like, oh, my God. Yeah. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. And I was like, holy shit. He's, oh, you should have seen it.

He got real quiet. All these guys are pissed off. The guys are grabbing their chairs and marching off and walking off. And they started, he said, they all started flipping at once. Boom, this one, this one. This one. He said, everybody was like, oh, no, that's not true. He said, man, he said, you should have seen it. So you're saying we're in good standing. We're good. We're going to be okay. It's going to be okay. No. What's the biggest threat to America right now?

America? To us. America. What's the biggest threat to America? Okay, so for me, it's a long arm of Marxism. It's ideology that's been pumped down us for the last 70, 80, 90 years. It's the woke mind virus that has been infected our universities and was pushed down into our high. schools. It is so many people that have been infected that have been influenced by this, this rubbish, where they think what is black is white and white is black and up is down and they don't know any better and think that the rest of us are crazy. We're having common sense. The biggest threat is people like us, not having the courage to stand up for what we know to be right, letting that crap invade our life again. Never again, never again, never again. That's what I

think is the biggest threat to America. And if we're willing to say, nope, nope, nope, what you're saying It just doesn't make any sense. It's not true. And I'm okay. If you think you're going to call me a racist, a bigot, a misogynist, a Nazi, a fascist, or whatever, because I said that, no, this is this and that is that. And the facts are the facts are the facts. You can call me, whatever you want to call me, but the facts of the matter, I'm not a tree. I'm not a rabbit.

I'm not a car. Right. I'm a man. I'm a man. And no matter what you say and what you call me doesn't change the facts. So that's what I think the biggest threat is. I think the biggest threat is the people that know better don't do anything to stop it. But I think that chip sailed because we've had a beacon of light.

We've had someone who's willing to stand up and literally take shots. Literally goes into office and loses money. Not like the rest of these crooks that go in and away with a few dollars and leave with a few hundred million dollars. No. We've had the guys stand up and say, you know what, I'm going to give it all up. He should be sitting on a beach somewhere with his smoking hot wife rolling around in $100 bills like he's Scrooge McDuck. And instead, what's he doing?

He's putting his life, his health, everything on the line to defend us and say the things that we weren't even strong enough to say for ourselves. May not like how he says it. He had the hoodspah. He had the stones to stand up there and say it. So I don't think we're going to go back. I think we're going to be all right. but we are fighting against a woke mind virus,

and if we don't continue to trim the garden, we don't continue to rip these roots out and pour salt there, we're going to keep finding things happening. That's, I think, was what the biggest threat is to America. What do you think? I think that's good. You think that's good? Yeah, we got a...

A little rambling. A little rambling. I mean, you could pull portion of the other video and pop it on here, no? You think... Depending. Yeah, we've been recording for an hour and 28 minutes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. she's wearing a different outfit, though.

Oh, yeah. It wouldn't. We've been recording how long? An hour and a half? Hour and a half, oh, it says an hour and 17. He was faking us out because we were just jiving before, and he had the thing running. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, this has been, yeah, this ran about 10 minutes longer. Yes. That's how he does it. That's how guys get jammed up, right? Yeah. Because you're like, oh, this microphone to my mouth in front of isn't on, right? Oh, ha, listen to this funny joke. There's been a couple things that have been said where I'm just like,

I got to make sure that this somehow does not slip through. I don't like giving, like sending the raw files like this. I don't like sending the raw files of anybody. Or even putting them on the interwebs for that matter. Yeah. But, you know, that's just me. If I don't have to send somebody something,

like I want to send them, okay, here's the edited version that I made. Here's the edited, edited version. The edited, whatever. The edited version. Anyway. I think we're all right. Oh, yeah, no, you're good.

Oh, I'm not. I was fine this time. I'm usually the guy who's like, you got to take that stuff out that I said. And the one joke, I've said that, I've mentioned that before. Your reaction didn't help me. Yeah.

Which, the guy, uh, the, uh, the, water fountain? Yeah. Come on, man. Fucking hilarious. Come on. Listen, that guy, he turned around and he just went, wow. Like, he was like, well, I was like, huh? Huh?

Huh? Because, you know, you have to think, in prison. Oh, no. Well, yeah. These guys are all the time. They're like, oh, you know, Trump's, you know, oh, he's all for the white man. He's all there. You guys going to be okay.

He's going to let you guys out. Like, nobody's letting anybody out. And to be honest, Trump pardoned and let more people out of prison and signed bills that were that benefited inmates way more than any president prior to that. Anybody. So, I mean, look, I even got off as even though they, I should have gotten off like 45 days for the First Chance Act. but I only ended up getting off like, I think, 12 or seven or so.

I forget what I got it. Very little, very few days. I was going to say 17 days. But anyway, it was something. It was very minor. It was like a week or so. But I should have got like two or three months off. Anyway, he, but that act helped a ton of people get their sentences reduced.

And it allowed these guys to start working their time off by going. to classes, taking classes, doing things that they never would have done prior to that. Like, he's... Pretty much the opposite of the 94 crime bill. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I was going to say, or what was this? What was it? Clinton that, Clinton billed more prisons than anybody. Well, that's what I'm saying. The crime bill, right? That was Clinton. That was the, you know... Oh, you did you say 94?

94. Oh, okay. I was thinking in 86, that's when Reagan, uh, forget what Reagan passed. Oh, basically, he abolished. he abolished probation. Yeah. So the,

and then the 94, the, the 94 crime bill, the one that Clinton, that eliminated your, your, it basically, he gave you one year to file a 2255.

And after that, you're just done. So basically I got sent, you go to trial, you lose, and you have one year to prepare yourself to become a lawyer and,

and write a, and fight your case. from inside of a federal prison. Like, are you, because it limits you. It put a time bar of one year. So. Did you file an appeal? Is that what that is?

Yeah. No, no, no. An appeal you could file. No, yeah, an appeal you could file, but they typically, well, typically they started with the appeal. But let's say you took a plea and you got to prison and you realize like, I shouldn't have gotten 20 years. I shouldn't have taken a 20 year prisoners.

I was supposed to get 12 years and then the judge gave me 18 and I want to fight this and this is bullshit. Or they just caught, they said I was a kingpin. And they just caught the real kingpin and whatever. So you have only, you've got one year to file what's called a 2255, which is to say that your lawyer was ineffective. Like my lawyer didn't really help me. Like, so you have one year. As far as an appeal, if you actually went to trial, which almost nobody goes to trial, right?

If you actually go to trial, I think you have, I think you have a year to file an appeal also. But they were limiting all these things. And it didn't really matter if afterwards it was found that, let's say afterwards, they decide, hey, you got 40 years for, and they change the guidelines, and they say, okay, well, now we don't give people that much time for that. And you go, okay, well, then my sentence should be reduced, shouldn't it? And they go, no, you're past the time bar. There's nothing you can do.

You're just stuck with the 40 years. You're like, yeah, but guys that with more dope than me are coming in with 11 years. And I've already done 15. Right. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah, you've done 15. You should have filed something prior. But I didn't have the option of that.

They're like, yeah, I know. You have to wait. You have to wait and see. Maybe they'll pass something that'll make it retroactive. Maybe they, like, there's all these things. Guys are just, they just were fucked. And those types of, they, they started prioritizing finality over justice. And, and, you know, there were many, many people that just got stuck with these outrageous sentences.

And there's lots of stuff like that. Like, these sentences are outrageous. And the drug situation is outrageous. And it's, it's just, nobody gives a shit until it affects, until their kid gets arrested, you know, or their brother. And then they're like, what do you tell you? You can't give them that much. You didn't give a fuck about that for the last 20 years that it's been happening. Yeah, yeah.

Until now your son's going to have to do 20 years because there's a mandatory minimum. Yeah. You didn't care before when that kid down the street got fucking 10 years for a mandatory minute. You didn't give a shit. You said, oh, good for him. Good. Fuck him. That fucking drug dealer.

Where now your fucking kid just got caught selling shit. Now he's supposed to be doing, or the way they calculate drugs. How long have you been selling drugs? Your code of been selling them for five years. Well, we caught you with this much. drugs. So if you've been selling for... This times that equals... Yeah, this and you're selling that every week. That's what your co-defendant said. Yeah, but that's not what's, well, that's what you co-defendant said. And this is, we're going to, it's called ghost dope. And now, guess what

that turns out to be, that's now 2,000 pounds of, of bud? And your mandatory minimum is 15 years for that. You're going, I've never sold that much my whole life. I've never seen half of that. What are you talking about? You caught me with a quarter pound. Yeah. Like, yeah, but your co-defendant said, you've been known it for five years, but not that much. I've sold a little that I stopped for two years. Yeah, but you can't prove any of that. You could try. You can go to trial.

You go to trial. We're going to give you 30, though. Just fucking, you see these guys pleading guilty to five years, ten years, 20 years. And you're like, my God, they didn't have anything on you. I know, but I had two code defendants. They were saying this and what else was I going to do? Yeah.

So, you know, like I said, it's a horrible system. Because really, it shouldn't even be set up that way. And it's really not. It's that they set it up that way. And then the U.S. attorneys, which have discretion, push the issue. When the U.S. attorney, if you really sat down and said, come on, bro, how much do you really think drugs do you really think he's sold over the last five years? It's probably more like 50 pounds. Yeah.

It's not 2,000. That's prosecutorial percentage, right? I mean, it's how many people you put behind bars for how long. Right. But that's the whole thing. You've got humans involved. The moment you throw a human in there, it's a problem. Yeah.

And then the other problem is if you say, oh, no, we can only lock people up for how much they were caught with. That's not right either. Right. Right. Because that guy, that guy is moving a ton of drugs. Like, you know, you get these, they didn't catch me with nothing. That doesn't matter. Right, right. You know, so you just have to be reasonable. And a lot of these U.S. attorneys aren't reasonable. They convince themselves that passing out a ton of time is reasonable and it's acceptable. And these are drug dealers. And whatever they get, they deserve. Whatever, this guy's breaking the law, whatever he gets, he deserves. It's like, oh, yeah, he deserves. But if he deserves two years and you're giving him 15, you know what I mean? Guys, I don't know how many guys? I know that they offered three years? Like, you, you, at one point, you thought three years was enough. Right, but he didn't take the three years and he went to trial. Okay, so maybe there's a, maybe go to trial, you give him four years or five. Yeah.

No, no, he gets 17. He went to trial or 19. Right. You offered him three. How do you justify three versus 19? How do you justify that? Yeah. Why shouldn't have gone to trial?

Come on, man. That's, you know, it's too much. And they don't, yeah. That doesn't feel right. That doesn't feel right. I just couldn't justify in my mind that you can say that this guy deserves three years and you offered him three and then he went to trial and you gave him 19 because you're why. You're upset? Yeah.

Because you had to do a little bit of work because he executed or he he took the risk. Yeah. Rolled the dice. I mean, it's part, you know, my constitutional right, you know, I'm allowed to go to trial. Like, I shouldn't have to be a punishment. penalized for that, right? Yeah, penalized for it. That is the way it is.

Yeah. So we'll see. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button. If you like the video, please share the video. Also, we're going to leave all of Charles's links in the description box. So you can go there.

You can follow him. And what do you provide? What do you do? Private intelligence and security service. Right, but there's a lot. You do different ones. You do them for organizations, for individuals. Organizations, individuals.

We help people understand. understand their online risks and help them remove information about themselves from online. Okay, nice. All right. So you heard that. You're going to do that? Okay. So in the description box, you can click on the link, go there if you want to get in touch with him. Also, if you want to be a guest, please. We'll also leave a link in the description box that has our website link. You can go there, go to the be a guest page, and you fill out like a, it's like a five or six word questionnaire, and then leave a three to five minute video about who you are and your story. And yeah, I think that's it.

Thank you very much. We also have a Patreon. See you.