Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Con Man Begs For Help After Being Exposed On The News

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

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And then Johnny Mitchell, I was, oh, man, this is ridiculous. They're passing me by. And so then like a week later, suddenly I got an email from Jack, I think Flanagan or something. which is his producer and he was like, hey, we'd love to have you on the Justy Waters thing. And I was like,

oh, yes. Oh, I started thinking I was irrelevant. No. So, yeah, so I was like,

yeah, anytime. Let me know. And then he disappeared. And then he came back like a week later. Hey, let's try and, you know,

get something on the books. Okay, whatever, anytime. You know, but let me tell you, when you do that anytime, it doesn't happen.

it doesn't it yeah if you're like yeah listen i'm good on tuesday and wednesday of next week i gotta ask you i got to ask you a very serious question you banged every hot chick on the podcast i know on the podcast planet meaning only rogan's left for you i'm being real like you like you peaked you're the high school fucking high school i thought we were going in a whole different direction right there yeah i i heard something completely different obviously it was a parable on the I'll say it on the show on the podcasting front this is the show you're recording yeah nice to tell me but anyway he doesn't tell you he just fucking rolls he just part but here's my point you

you only have rogan left like I I'm you're my friend I love you like you're like a high school built like six pack you have the hot like cheerleader like there's like there's no like there's no word ago. Like you're hanging out with me and Wade. Like just get on Rogan and then just like like just end it. Like that's it. Have you never been contacted by Rogan? I do. I'm not going to use a different analogy because I was about to send an ambulance to your house if Jess was anyone nearby. Yeah. Yeah. My she um, um, oh, you know, it's been funny or like she got a job, right? Like, uh, she, she's on like these working with on these super yachts and stuff. Yeah. And there's,

There's some, so sometimes they take people out. So she's out right now on like a big party on like a 120 foot yacht. And, you know, they have to have like a mechanic. And I think actually I think tonight she's working as a like a steward. They call them a steward, which is like a waitress or something. Right. So she'll do something like, I don't know, she does different things. But so tonight she went.

So, you know, she's hanging out with a bunch of rich guys on a fucking yacht in the middle of the ocean. Doesn't even come home until like 12, 12, 30. I'm asleep. You know, I, you are doing a podcast. I feel like, I feel like if the roles were reversed, she wouldn't be nearly as cool as I am about it. I'm like, of course, of course. No, but on your podcasting journey, what do you have left?

Tell us. Um, I mean, it would be nice to do, Rogan. That would be super cool, right? But, but the truth is that I already know of, I know that Lex Friedman mentioned me to him, right? And then I know that I, and I believe a couple other guys have told me that have been, that were on my show and then have been on his show that have reached out to him. And he's never shown any interest. He's just, you know.

I heard he's a strange bird where he, like, he just, if he wants to talk to, he'll talk to you, right? Right. So, so if he like sees the right clip or if he sees the right. short or something like kind of activates something for him. I got a feeling you will end up on a show. That's literally you will end up. Well, so one of the things that happened was when Rogan discovered soft white underbelly.

Okay. Right. Mark Laida. Yeah. When he talks about soft white underbelly, he's like, man, this guy, he interviews everybody like drug addicts and,

you know, pimps and this. He interviewed this con man. I was the only con man on there. No, he knows you're in it. Yeah, but you're in his orbit. You just now need to put it out there into the universe. Yeah.

Well, it's been out there. I'm okay with it. Like, if it doesn't, that doesn't happen, then I'm okay with that. Listen, like, you know, think about all the people's shows I've been on. Like, that's, it's super cool. Like, I'm appreciative. Lex Freeman is number one outside of Rogue, in my opinion. By far.

Honestly, I feel like the soft white underbelly. Oh, true. I thought it was, look, only because. I feel like the the footage that he shot, it was such a good interview. He edited it really well. And so, you know,

is it, like, am I going to get a bunch of people from it or views from it or is it going to turn into something? Like, no, of course it was years ago. But still, when I look at them, if somebody said, hey, which one do you want me to watch? Yeah. Like, I'm not going to get six and a half hours with Les Friedman. I don't even suggest it. I'm like, here, watch this one. It's an

hour. It's doable. It's great. The Francis ended up. okay i think it was in the 150s k range i bet yeah but but the audio got fucked up i know you know know so and then mark's kind of like that too you know i reached out to mark about my story and he was just like i want to say he says something in the long i don't know if it'll fit in what i'm doing i'm thinking we interview a lot of the similar stories but i mean i can't argue with a man that's got his success so you know he did say like hit me up if you're ever out here and then when i was out there I did hit him up because J.C.

Uh, went and done the show. Um, literally he went and done soft white when I went and done, uh, cinema mills TV. Oh, Marco. Good dude. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't think that's come out yet, but it's, as soon. He's, he's done a couple shorts from it, but the video's not, uh, not dropped yet. But yeah, he was, he was a cool guy for sure. Actually, and I got, sometimes I don't mind waiting because the subs go up. Well, I recommended that actually when, when Matt was going out to see Michael,

I was like, I can maybe hook her to cinemales, but you'd have a lot of time, Matt, you were like in and out, right? Yeah. Yeah, I didn't have time to do that. Maybe do Francis again, if you felt the audio was off or no. I mean, I, you know, it's funny too, because he actually, when he ends it, he ends it with like, you know, this is part one. It's like part one. We didn't discuss a part two. Like part two, part one. Like, you know, he's obviously, he's, I don't know, he. He doesn't want to do a long podcast or anything. Yeah.

And your story, my story, they're, they're hard to condense down into 45 minutes. Right. Like, you especially, I mean, you've got years and years worth of stuff. You're trying to cram in mine to at least lay the groundwork is hard to do that. I got to skip over a lot of stuff. When I went to New York the other couple weeks ago and I did Andrea's, you know, at the studio, um, she said you wanted to kind of keep it around. 30 minutes and even that was difficult.

Andrew's like in a hard stop. There's no like. Yeah. Yeah. It's a hard stop. Yeah. And it's you have to cut out a lot, which is, I mean, it's not necessarily a bad thing because if somebody wants to hear a more detailed story, they may search it

and land on mats or, you know, concrete or whoever. So it's, you know, not the worst thing in the world, but it's just hard to get a good tail in. I need at least an hour. Matt, Matt, let me ask you this. Of the hundred shows you did, what did you get? What did you get the most impact from? Text, calls, views, messages, comments, you know, a dead pigeon sent to your house, whatever it was.

Where did you get the most impact of all your shows? Concrete. Really? Danny's show? Yeah. Yeah, only because it was the, well, I think because it was so fresh and it got like $2.2 million and change very quickly. And I also, and so I just don't think anybody, it got that amount very quickly. And it may not have just been Danies because when I did Danes, then I did, you know, I did multiple.

I did Danny's than I did. He did well too, no? Right. So then I did his and then I did soft white underbelly. So it was like all of these were going at the same time. And so maybe it may have been a convergence of all of them. I can't say for sure. But I do know that many, many people that reach out to me are like, bro, I've been watching you since concrete.

Well, I will say when I was on your show, you published, I was like, I got lucky. I was the first or second off of Lex, right? I had people on my comments or DMs or whatever I got. I found you on Cox. I found Cox on Lex. So I'm like, right. Right. I'm like, you're a grandson of, you know what I mean?

I get a lot of that, too, that they'll say I found you on Matt Cox's podcast. On a different subject, all day today, I've been trying to get guests. This is a this is a problem. No. Like the four. So here's what I thought. I might have a few for you. I don't want to say on camera because I have to get their approval too, but I might

have a few lined up for you that are pretty pretty juicy. That would be good because listen, here's what's happening. The more subscribers I get. The now. Huh? Gotta feed the beast. Well, the more. Well, yeah.

And I'm doing four. I do four a week, right? Four. So I have to schedule. I do four. I release four videos. videos a week. Holy shit.

So who's killing a rock. I couldn't do that. So we schedule like six or seven because people just drop out. I just had a guy drop out. Guy I talked to him on. And here's the thing. You know, you email me.

You talk to me on the phone twice. We've been texting. We scheduled it. And then all of a sudden it's like, hey, my lawyer said it's just not a good time for me to be on a doer. Like, bro, you want like,

first of all, if you're going to mention it to your lawyer, mention it to them before you talk to me. Yeah. Don't have don't waste my time and then say oh, I better check with my lawyer Motherfucker, you should have checked with your lawyer before you checked with me Like you're just like you know people don't mind wasting your time so so so now that's open So it's like here's what's happening is the more subscribers I get where it used to be I would reach out to somebody

And this is how I felt like it went I'd say hey you know I've got a podcast I'd love to interview you Would you like to come out and they go um you know hold on a second Can you see the sobs? Can we? do it remote? You know, like, they'd be like, can we do a Zoom? Like I really, like you, I really don't want to come out. Like, I don't see this helping me much. You know what I'm saying?

That kind of thing. It's like, fuck. So what's happened now is that now when they look at the subs, they go, I say, hey, look, you know, I understand you're in Baltimore. Let's do a, we can do a remote. No, no, no, I want to fly in. And then I say, okay, well, listen, I can't pay for you to fly in. I can't, you know, I can't do any of that.

It's like not my business model going broke. trying to get content i don't have another job so so they're they're like no no no i i i'll pay i'll fly in i'll get the hotel don't worry i'm i'm cool i got somebody that lives there no big deal and it's like okay well when do you want to do it because i'm trying to fill up the next two weeks and they're like uh how about the end of june the end of june bro i need people now you talk to the next time okay so we schedule something okay the 23rd okay and you hang up and you go fuck i'm still running out of content call them talk to the next word and hey love your story great yeah we talk for 20 minutes. I go, man, this would be great? Would you like to do a remote? And they're like,

you know what? I really think I'd rather do it in person. Okay, when would you like to do that? You know what? I'm coming down there at the end of July. Fuck. Do you see what I'm saying? So Matt, so Matt, am I the only guest that took you out, you and Jess out? For dinner. Yes. But you know who I met with Jess and I drove to Orlando? Yeah. I met with Kevin. But that was after, though. Yeah, that was, yeah, that was way after.

And I was going to say, I have another guest that is coming here. And he wants to take Jess and I out. And he's got a girlfriend in Orlando and he's going to, we're all going to meet. So that would be the second where I do the podcast and later on that night, we're going to go. Love it. Wade, how do you get your guests? Instagram, baby. That's been my go-to from day one, man.

And just, I was really surprised at like. how many people would actually respond back, you know, especially in the beginning. I want to say like superstars, but well-known people like Tom Seismore. I got literally through Instagram. Yeah. You know, Lir Roncato, all the guys from Sopranos like Robert Fonar and John Fiore and, you know, Frank Santorelli, all these guys answered their their DMs and Instagram. So we were supposed to have, I like to make up a better story than that.

I had a partner at the time. And we were supposed to have Tom Size Moran through a PR agent. And last, last minute he bailed. And we got stuck interviewing like his co-stars, which we really didn't have a lot of interest in interviewing. But he, he was difficult to nail down for the second half of the interview. So like we, we arranged the time and everything. And I'll just go ahead and say it. I mean, he's, you know, passed away now.

But he did charge. but I didn't care. What he charged wasn't too out of the ballpark for me to have him on somebody of his caliber that had done what he did. That would have been like to me, I'm paying for a live autograph session of sorts, you know, so I was fine with it. And we went like an hour or closing in an hour and I was about to wrap it up. And then he just was like, hey, you know, I'm real tired. Can we finish this another time? And I'm like, yeah, that's fine. If you're going to keep going, I'm going to keep going. And now that that reschedule went. through about four or five reschedulees after that. And I was really worried that he was going to not show up, you know, for the second. But he did. He'd come back. He'd done like another two hours and change, got into like deep about how he when he was in the Goddy role, a witness to the mob, spoke to Gotti on the phone.

Oh, wow. What was the chick, Heidi Fleisch? You know, he dated Heidi Fleiss for a little while. He was dating Juliette Lewis from a natural born kill. And I mean, we just, we had, it was like one of the first podcasts, I think, up into that time that I had really had no structure of what I wanted to ask. We just kind of at Medcan, we know that life's greatest moments are built on a foundation of good health from the big milestones to the quiet winds. That's why our annual health assessment offers a physician-led full body checkup that provides a clear picture of your health today. And may uncover early signs of conditions like heart disease and cancer.

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I was one of the last ones he did before he passed away. And then the guy that you hooked me up with Adam, I guess, at the same time was putting together the documentary saving Seismore. And like the movie that he was telling me that he was about to go film, he was so excited about it. And he was like, I really think this is going to kind of help put me back on track. That was the movie that I guess Adam had kind of helped him with.

So it was kind of, it was a little surreal talking to Adam because a lot of that same time frame was when they were filming, you know, his documentary. Wow. Yeah, I remember I actually,

I think I'm allowed to say this. I saw some of the clip. from saving Sysmore documentary, which is in the can. It's not released yet. And it's pretty profound. He interviewed everybody. Kevin, Matt, Kevin knows, knew him really well as well. They were in the same movie together, Bad Frank back in the day.

Yeah, Kevin, Kevin knows a lot of people. Yeah. You know, like he's been on a lot of programs. He's been on, like, I didn't realize he was sitting there talking about how he was, you know, on this, um, these episodes of this program. And, you know, I don't know a lot, but I recognize the names of the programs or the, whatever, the series that he was on. Yeah. It was like I was on this front from the last four season two to season six to and then they killed me.

And then, you know. His wife was a pretty big role in City on the Hill. Yeah. That was, that was, I love City on the Hill. That, so I actually, funny, I ran into Kevin, what we talked at the time. But I went to a restaurant, my wife, and we randomly ran it to him and his wife at that same restaurant that was, like, randomly in, like, Montclair, New Jersey. So when I met Amanda for the first time, I was excited because I was like, I used to love city on the hill. Yeah, that's a good show.

That was, Tom Fontana does that. He done Oz. Yeah. Oh, it's horrible. You like Oz? No, right. I watched, I watched like a couple seasons of it, but I was on the run and I kept thinking, man, this is what is going to be. Oh, well, yeah, you got a different person.

perspective what it's going to be. But that show was fucking awesome. Like I love to tattooed the, you grabbed the lawyer and tattooed his lawyer. And it was like, oh, God, this is a horrible. I don't want a tattoo. You know, it's especially there. Yeah.

I've actually been rewatching Oz last couple of weeks. Not what, what, what prompted me to do it was if, I don't know if you guys follow Tom Fontana or any of the guy, Dean Winters or Lee Turgensen from the show, but they released a short movie or short film. And it's basically picking up the lawyer you were talking about, which was Tobias Beecher and Dean Winters, who played Ryan O'Reilly. And it's like Dean gets out of jail and he calls Tobias. There's an hotel room. He just got out of jail.

And it's like they're catching up, you know, over the phone. It's like, only like 10 or 15 minutes. And all those guys are putting it on their Instagram. So I went and watched it. And I'm like, damn, that was such a good show. So I went back and started watching it again. And it's not hard to burn. There's only like eight episodes in a season.

So it's not hard to burn through. But all those guys that went on a lot of those guys that went on to do a lot of big time stuff. You know, Chris Leone or whatever his name is, all the law and orders. Chuck Zito was in there, right? Chuck Zito was in there. Yep. Yep. He was there.

The one guy that does the farmer's insurance was the, was the Nazi. Yeah. Yeah. Dean Winters, who was Ryan O'Reilly does the, he's the man of mayhem. I mean, you know, I think the guy that played Alvarez, the Mexican gentleman, I can't remember Kirk Acevedo thinks his name. He's in one of the law and orders. I mean, a lot of people spawn careers off that show. This is a completely, like, you guys are so the mob thing. Listen, you know, I just read. I just finished rewatching all eight seasons of Entourage.

Doug Ellen, Doug Ellen would be my dream guest. Who's that? He's the, the creator. Oh, okay. I was going to say, I don't know if I ever told you this, Matt. I attended,

so eight seasons, the eighth season, they had a finale, right? They had a, you know, an after party. It was in New York.

I attended that. I met Mark, Adrian, uh, E, what's his name? Kevin Connolly. Uh,

Truxito was there. Uh, what's his name? Um, Hickory Dickery Doc. What's his name? The comedian. You know, I'm talking about.

Hickory Dickery Doc. The girl sucked down my... Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, well. Andrew Dice. Like, literally anybody who was anybody, like back then was, like, entourage was it. And we got to, we went, like, said, second row.

Mark, we were behind Mark. And then we went to the actual after party. It was insane. What Jeremy Piven was a jerk. But everybody else is pretty cool for the most. for it. I could see him being a jerk. He was jerk.

Which one's that? Who is he played? The agent. Oh, Ari. Ari. Yeah. All right. But it was in with the, the goods and also one of, like, my favorite movies.

It was really underrated, but judgment night. Yeah. I already. I see. Remember judgment night? No, no. Well, maybe slightly. Dennis Leary kind of played like a gang leader mobbler or something, but like it had,

Mealyo Estevez, Cuba Gooding Jr., Stephen Dorf, Jeremy Piven, and they're all like going to watch this fight. Somehow I know that they get stuck in traffic. They take a wrong turn. They almost hit a guy. The guy's being chased by Dennis Leary, who's trying to kill him to get money. Anyways, they wind up being collateral damage.

So obviously they got to take all them out. And like the whole movie from then on out is basically Dennis Leary and his crew chasing everybody else. And, you know, finally eventually it was like a big face off at the end. but Piven is one of the key characters in the whole thing. It was his RV. Yeah, I feel like I've seen this. This was like 20 years ago or something.

Oh, yeah, it's old. It's an old movie. I mean, it was when Estevez was still kind of a pretty big deal. So that'll give you a little bit of time standpoint. But yeah, it's really good. I like Larian and it too. Lary was good. You were at Paison Khan?

Pison Khan. It was absolutely amazing. You want to laugh. I wanted to go, man. I wanted to go. You want to laugh. All these like Paezan guys were there. My kids only cared about.

You ever see a movie Terrifier with the crazy clown? Oh, you know, everybody? Yeah, they mean Leon. Yeah, so the guy Gino Trefelli, whatever's name is, he was there and he was a guy they cut off his head in the pizzeria. So not only did they get to meet him, he had a photo of him at the pizzeria as one of the shots. They signed it. and they were over the moon.

There was a million people there. I got geeked out by meeting Eric Roberts. That was pretty cool. Yeah, I like Eric. He's pretty cool. Gianni Russo was there, wasn't he? Johnny Russo was there. So I'm there, right?

And I'm this idiot. He's like going around. And I knew the guy who was coordinating it. I got a Jersey magazine. So we're there as media and we're covering it. So I was wearing the media hat. And I go up to Gianni. and I take a photo with them.

Right. No, didn't think nothing of it. Walk around. I later find out, you got to pay 50 bucks to take photos of people. I didn't realize that until after.

Like, oops. Typically, they don't charge media, though, because I've been to those types of things. And mine was more or less with a lot of the wrestlers, like older wrestlers.

They would have those same type things, those little cons, or they would, K would call it Russell Tade or something. And that's how a lot of those guys make their money now, though, and actors too. You have some that has a mix of

You know what? I'm going to make a reveal for you. You ready? I got something at PaizanCon. I'm going to make an exclusive reveal on the Maccock show. Hold on. Give me a second. Okay. I got to wait for Matt to come. He's going to have zero appreciation for this. But I know. Oh, boy, it's still in the plastic. I'm not going to tell you what I paid for. That I will not say. So at Paizan con. This is not amazing. That's pretty dope. Pan Pink and Canvas one of one. Got at Paizan Khan by a very reputable artist. I'd be lying if I tell you, if I knew his remember his name.

And that's my, that was my gift to myself at Paizan Khan. I could only imagine that was probably a pretty penny. But all the three cigars. J.G. James, Matt, did you watch Sopranos, Matt, that Matt?

I've watched probably, I've watched like half of them. I probably should watch the whole thing again. Damn sure should, pal. That's like, not even just because I'm into mob shit, but that TV show is awesome. And it's like, to me, the mark of a good TV show. And I'll even put Oz in this category as well. So I'm not like showing favoritism to mob shit. A good TV show is something that can stand the test of time and you have a rewatchability factor to it.

Okay. Outside of the support. pranos when you rewatch it if you take away like the computers that they're on are like gigantic or like d lp projection screen tvs back of the day and cell phones are like flip phones if you take away the technology of that show that they're using that show could air today and probably be just as entertaining and it is still more entertaining than half the show canceled by the woke on some of the misogynistic and like oh i'm sure it would have yeah some of that shit probably wouldn't fly today but the same thing with us because I mean, then you're putting everybody in a prison.

So you're you're introducing prison life and that show could be shown today. And I think still be good way. It probably wasn't air today. But you know, the the show is still great. That's my mark of like a good TV show is rewatchability. And that can even if it's comedy, you know, friends has that friends has a rewatchability. Wait, can I ask you a question about. You mind?

All right. I was like, I was like, oh my dad. I come from like the mob genre heritage in terms of my guests, my show that. kind of stuff right you are an up-and-coming guy in the space i think you're in the fastest growing shows i think matt has such disdain and little interest with anything mob related it is like it is like like like you and i like like like like i'm here in terms of interest like you're like here matt just way down has zero zero zero that that is but you don't that is but you don't know So he if you go to some of his videos though like the one that me and him did when we first talked about the jean burello joey merlito b that damn thing done numbers yeah yeah great numbers i think it's got yeah it's got like a hundred and yeah it's up there and the one you did with jean was good um yeah jean's almost at two it's like 180 or something like that jean you know i i have i like jean you've been a guest i you know i have some reservations about some of the stuff that he does i

I'll keep that to myself for now. But he does bring numbers. But here's the thing. It brings numbers. And Matt still has nil, zero interest. Listen. He texts you today. Oh, go ahead.

Gene's is at 193,000 views. Damn. That's pretty good. The one we did, Wade, is at 187,000. Mine's at like 21. Oops. But here's where Matt and I fucked up. To be honest, I do know a lot about the subject.

He has no interest. I watched it. 75% had nothing to do with the mob. Nothing. We talked about our shows, burns, fucking. I was, when you came, I told you, you understand, I don't really know anything about it. Like, I don't know. But I should have, as a good guess, and being a podcaster, could have angled it where I could have illuminated.

You could have took more like the approach than they do took when he was on the recal. I'll give Jeff credit. Jeff at least redirected versus him and I were just like two ADHD guys. I gave Jeff a little heads up to. I was like, because he actually was the one that said you think you can hook me up with Matt Cox. And I was like, yeah,

I was like, if you go on there, I'm just give you heads up. You're going to have to lead it because he knows absolutely. He doesn't claim to either, but he knows absolutely. You know what I like and I recommended him, the encore interview,

the guy that drove up $120 million company and then went absolutely the shit based of us. Yes, I need to get him. I need to get him. Well, you guys are connected, I believe. But I think we are. Yeah, he sent me a text today.

And he was like, do you have anybody I might can interview and dot, dot, dot, that isn't a mobster? I love it. I mean, I just have very little interest. I just, I don't, I don't understand it. I don't understand the appeal. I don't understand idolizing someone that shakes people down or forces them to pay extortion and that people think they're cool. and I just like, yeah, you're not cool. All right.

I don't think people think they're cool, but they do fall in love with the characters that they see portrayed on film. All right. Like, okay. This might at least give you a little bit of a rationale. So you'd agree, but you may understand. The Godfather is like the Bible of,

of anything, anything mafia related, right, in terms of movies. And if you look, they don't mention the word mafia, it's a parable of the American success story, capitalism, family loyal and loyalty and trust and all of us yearn to kind of go back to those days and it just happened to be a mafia flick that was like ground zero and since then it took off goodfellas donnie brosco i mean you name it you know yeah and that was interesting too getting a chance to talk with chris and him tell me some of the nuances that his father played in that movie like he was actually the one that you know was kind of set the stamp down. I will allow you to make this movie, but you're not going to use the word mafia.

Like the word mafia is not used in the godfather. Oh, I got a good guess for both of you. I got a good guess for both of you. Don Capria wrote the Colombo book with the other son who spent more time to father because he was older and wrote the book. And there's a conspiracy theory that the mob may have not killed their father. It might have been the government and or some other forces. Chris thinks the government had something to do.

with his father's death. Chris 100% believes that. Yeah, but Chris was like a bookie. He was doing his own thing. He carried the name, but he was kind of like his own crew. He wasn't like as affiliated as any and he says it too. He doesn't come off to say have a mob guy. He had his own crew, but Chris is fascinating. I mean, and then the other call there's another Colombo who was in on the fix for that McDonald's game. The Mick, uh, McMonopoly. Where the fuck it was. You know one of the you ever seen that Matt? The McMillions. No, but I've watched. I've heard, I've heard about it.

I've watched like, I've watched maybe 10 minutes of it. It's great. What caught my interest was there's a part in it where he's, it's not the guy that's actually like taking the pieces, but it is a, a guy that was in the mob that was finding who was going to get them and, and coordinating the payments and the kickbacks.

He moved to Charleston, which is where I live, and opened up a strip club. Yeah. And got a lot of heat for it. And he's, they were showing news clips in there. And he's like, you know, I got, you know, yell or, you know, berated all the time about doing illegal stuff. He's like, I'm here.

I'm trying to do a legitimate business. And they still won't let me do it. I'm just like, wow, this is interesting. I've never seen that. But yeah, just the McDonald's story. And it's in and of itself, it's good to watch. That dude was basically taking the winnings. He figured out a, he stole a roll of seals, basically.

And he was able to open up the envelope, get the winning ones out that he knew were winners, put, ES ones in there, put that seal back and nobody ever knew that it had been open. Yep. And then you would find, you know, I see Matt Cox walking on the street. Hey, Cox, you want this, you know, a million dollar piece. I'm going to need, you know, half of it or whatever. And what these people don't realize is, you know, that's taxed. So you're only probably getting, you know, 600,000, whatever.

You wind up very little after they get their cut of it is what happened. So he would pay them money and then take a piece of it and they would be the Patsies. but to go full circle is Mark Wahlberg and Steve Levs, Steve Levinson, who is the other creator of entourage. So a lot of the entourage guys are the guys who produced that particular documentary.

Yeah, it's good. It's worth a look if you got some time. And it's not as mobish as I know you hate the mob. It's not as mobish as you would think. What was that guy's name? The uncle something? I can't remember what it was. You never, it was like, it was almost

like that inspector gadget commercial. He always seen his hand or some shit. You never, you never saw his face. Did they even ever show his face at the end of it? I don't think so. I don't think they ever did. I let hell you pull that off.

You do a damn four-part series. You don't even see the guy. But I don't know. He had, I mean, it was, it was doing good. And then that mob guy,

whoever he was, he wound up dying. He died in a car crash. That kind of screwed everything up after that. It was really off the real. And then his wife, like, kind of,

yeah, and it's a weird story, but yeah. So on another topic. well Matt stole my identity oh yeah tell that so I was going to talk about

how you just redid when it Wade just went and redid all of the thumbnails on his channel you've got what another five or ten something like that it's pretty much done I think there's maybe only one or two the gene one is good and I saw the raised brow when I saw the old brow I said

he's either using Kobe is it Kobe what's your guys name I was using a Matt's guy will be Cole yeah oh I don't know he's on myself he did him he done them all so are you giving a royalty to Matt or no no no he just told me dude you got to do better these suck yeah I like you're you got some your problem biggest problem is your is the thumbnails and then he screenshot at somebody that was like you know I like Way's channel but his thumbnails aren't very interesting and he and he commented he's like I tried to tell him that and he screen shot at the whole thing to me he's like you see i'm not the

only one but so i'm like right and i went and re-dell i want to go back to matt in a second i'll say this on every time you meet the best matt cox interview of all of them aside one lex is up there is a julian dory second edition were you and jim diorio de orio oh yeah that was i i actually shit like it was it was the funniest i couldn't i had to watch like three times i love julian as a friend i had him on my pod but you were just in rare form and then Jim was kind of like the normal semi-normal voice or reason trying to make sense of what you're doing with a legal aspect and then he's like pointing out where like you got fucked and you're like yeah yeah that's my face that's fine well no time i did get i went through a situation where i guess somebody was trying to to who do me or

fuck me over financially somehow or another yeah um my wife gets home slightly earlier than I do. Typically, she checks the mail. This is good. So I come in, I look on the table, didn't see anything, you know, didn't think much of it later on that night, seven or eight o'clock, she goes to walk the dog, she comes back in. She's got the mail in her hand and she's like, what the hell is this?

And she's holding it in her hand. I'm like, well, I don't know. You're not showing it to me. And she hands it to me. And it is, it doesn't say my name on this paper, but it is a paper from American Express with a card on it that says, congratulations, I'm becoming an American Express card holder. Please call in to this number. You'll need your social security number to activate. And that's it. Doesn't say Wade Williamson anywhere on this damn thing.

And it's a female's name, which made it. I wish to God it could have just been a man thing. It was a female's name at the bottom. Tierra Lemons, L-E-M-O-N-S. And so I'm like, I don't know. Like, how do you even know that was supposed to be for me? It doesn't it. The only thing it did have on it was my address, but the name was wrong or, it just had the address. Like it could have been the people, you know, we have people just moving across the street, you know, they're typing, seven's next date, you know, they just put it in wrong. I'm like, just throw it away. And so she questions me a little bit more and then she leaves it beat. This was on like a Friday and I completely forgot about it.

Monday at like 11 o'clock sends me a text. She's like, you need to call me now. And I didn't see that text. So I got a call. like you by yourself I'm like well no I'm at work she's like you need to get by yourself now oh no that's never good that's never good yeah I'm thinking it's something with my daughter my daughter had some shit going on so you walk outside

and she's like if you got something to tell me motherfucker you better tell me she's going all like you're right now who the hell is Tierra lemons and I'm like who is here what are you talking about I forgot about the car she calls American Express oh my God he gives the number on the card and says I want

know why this card was sent to my house and he said well it's not their card they were made a user on the account and she said well the only person has this account is my husband he's like yeah that would be a Wade Williamson she said yeah that's my husband said yeah he added her as a user oh no whoa and she was like oh he did did he and he was like yes ma'am he said that was the only way we would have sent this card out as if he added her so yeah he had to add her as authorized as usual. You might want to talk to him about it. Oh, I will.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, I will. And so you can imagine she's not a happy camper. And for four or five minutes into this conversation, I really thought she was breaking balls. Yeah. Like, just messing with me.

And then I found out, I was like, are you really like serious, serious? Because if so, I'm about to call American Express. A, if I was doing something funny, this guy just dine me the fuck out. Yeah, what happened to bro code? No brocode whatsoever. Not an American Express. Oh, man, this is not our department. You guys might want to see some counsel.

No, none of that. He just straight up dime me out. And B, obviously your security isn't too good because you're just telling this woman that you don't even know is my wife that's calling up here all kind of information. And so I called and I'm just, I'm a little, I'm like, listen, ma'am, you don't understand. Like, I could very well get stabbed when I go home. One of your people just told my wife that I put a woman as an authorized user on a card. all my I'm so sorry this happened. It does show that you you authorized a Tierra Limba.

I was like, wow, I didn't authorize shit. Like I don't know what you're talking about. It's always been me on this account. I've had this account for 20 years. Long story short, she's like, well, we'll give you a new card. We'll flag it is fraud and all that. This just did not go over well in my home. And I was about to go out of town.

I was about to go to New York. And so, of course, she's like, it's mighty funny. This card comes right before you're supposed to go out of town. And it's got a woman's name on it. I mean, it was just on and on and on and I. I didn't know what's saying. The part Wade leaves out is he then gets a call at 2.30 in the morning from pizza. No, no, I promise you.

That was that was not in the end of fold. And she keeps going. I was like, you know, I'm going to call Matt and ask him about she said, you think Matt did this? And I'm like, she's like, you think he did this? I'm like, no. I didn't do. I said, he might can tell me what's going on here. And I did.

I called him. And he's like, well, you know, they probably done it to. 10 people and we're just waiting by the mailbox and you happen to grab it before they got there. And I'm just like, you know, trying to find anything that he can tell me that I can tell her to to satisfy this. And obviously she's not letting it go. And this is like 10, 30, 11 o'clock.

And are you sure there's nothing you're telling me about this Tierra Lemons? And I'm just like, son of a bitch, I'm just going to tell you this one time. Her name is Lamontz. Get it right. And that did not go over well. After a week of sleeping on the couch, you know, I had to just look, I don't know anything about this. I promise you. We're going to get to the bottom of it. American Express still has not contacted me. They sent me a new card, but they still haven't contacted me. We're lucky to have

the great Matt Cox here. Give us your professional opinion. Like what happens? They've sent in the mail and they take it and then call in. What's the play on that, Matt? Yeah, I think probably somebody was able to call up as Wade and had enough information to convince them, to send out a card and they were hoping to swing by, you know, they figure out it's going to be here in five to 10 days. We'll just go by that. We'll go by there randomly and check and maybe we'll get the card and then we'll just, all you got to do is, you know, you could use the spoof, the spoof app to call them back and say, hey, you know, punch in the information and boom, you know, that, you know, to activate the card. Now you've got a card that's activated. So at that point, they probably would have tried to change Wade's contact information.

You know, like, hey, contact me by phone. And then they change, if they could change the, um, do that, they could go out and use the card. Because even if they called, they just call Wade and they'd get the, the scammer. And he'd answer as Wade and he'd clarify everything. So it means that somebody out there has your information. That's, but it's. Yeah. But it's difficult to, you know, it's difficult.

I didn't have enough of it. Otherwise, I didn't know. There was no room on that card. So that was really a waste of time. So we're slightly lack on some of the. what listen what i thought was funny i was telling jess i was like listen i wish i could remember that chick's name because i could order uh i could order flowers oh in the house in her name i said i mean i said how funny would that jess was like you've got fucking problems i like yeah but

did you imagine i mean you have to i said look at it from the entertainment value of me stop thinking about wade yeah how funny that'd be to sit outside the house when those flowers came It would be a good show. Yeah, it was not a good week in the Williamson household there. It's still like the car. I was like, you could throw that away. She just keeps it laying on the table. She's like maybe one day somebody would come by her for it.

And I'm going to have it. Hold on, Matt. The person that would do it, right, wouldn't they want it in their real name? So they have their, like, their, you know, their license or other other documents. Well, I mean, maybe, but maybe they already have an ID in that name. Or even if it's in their name, it's like, I was an authorized user. I mean, it's, it's Wade's word against there. He's responsible for it.

They don't even need their social security number. He could just say, this is the name of the person. Send them a card. If they got an ID saying they're that person, they could use the card. Yeah. And if they did happen to do it like that, like that happened to be the, if they would have rode by, that would have been the perfect day because I just assumed my wife checked the mail and she didn't.

She didn't check it until later that night. Now, we do live in a neighborhood where I think it would be easier. to spot some random person pulling up multiple times to the same mailbox. But still, it was just very odd. You know what I do? Because I have a business and I'll add people on. I asked them to actually FedEx it. So it's sent via FedEx.

I'm having to help. That's what I do. If there's a tiara lemons out there, you've caused me all kinds of grief. Just so you know that. Just got back in my bed. Did you ever see that TikTok where the guy took bunch of um he takes a bunch of uh hair squishies or whatever you call those hairs and throws them

in the uh yeah the employees cars that work at the in the in the in the parking lot boom boom boom he's like boy he's like boy he's going to be crazy tomorrow you know what i'm saying like or the guy that said there's another one where the guy's like i'm bored i'm bored so i just ordered flowers to my next door neighbor todd's house you know in the name of of whatever. So then it looks like Todd accidentally sent the flowers to the wrong house and his wife gets some flowers for some girl. There's a TikTok where the girl's like, who's is this? You just see her and who's is this? Who's is this? He's like, I don't know. He's like, she's like, no, who's is this? And they pan on her and she's bald. I'm really glad you to remember that

girl's name too, by the way. That would have not, whatever will. The timing of it is just really suspicious. You're going out of town. Oh, listen. You're going to get that card to somebody. Listen, Jess will go through my comments. First of all, it was my life was so much easier when it was 98% of my viewers were male. It's up to about 15% female.

Yeah. And now so women will consistently leave messages. And so she's, you know, Matt, you're amazing. oh my god i could just listen to your voice forever like these are to me these are things that guys have said like bro i go to sleep with uh you know i'll go to sleep and leave leave uh you know leave your podcast on like i can just go to sleep with your voice like they don't mean anything by it it's like you know no homo you know but but but but a woman does it man i got to hear it bro and then if they listen and then if they have a picture and then if it's like um instagram some some chick fucking hits me up

on Instagram and just sends me a man who is this i i don't know yeah well why she's contacting you i don't know she said you know and then they'll say stuff that really will be like listen oh trust me i've got them where i've looked at it and i've been like oh i've got to erase that oh no no like i even if they say something weird like some girl one time sent me something that said um um you're the one or you're on my list i i uh i do anything to meet you And I thought, oh, that's got to go. Delete. Like, I'm like, oh, no.

And, you know, Jess will go through my shit. And I'm, you know, they're laying in bed. Like, I'm, I'm relaxing for the night. And it'll be like, who's Jennifer 600? I can fucking knows Jennifer 600 is. What are you talking about? Well, no, I was $5.99. What's really, what makes it worse is when I start laughing about it.

Yeah, I'll be like, do you know how crazy you sound right now? And she and which makes her even matter. That doesn't help. No. And so, you know, it ends up being a 20 minute of her, you know, pacing and, oh, you think it's funny? You think this is funny? I'm like, I think it is funny.

I think you're crazy. Like, do you know you're crazy? Like, and then, and she knows she's crazy because sometimes she'll do something like that. And then she'll get pissed and she'll go, I'm going to bed. I'm going to bed. And I'm like, all right, well, go to bed. And she'll walk off. And like, 10 minutes later, she'll.

she'll come down stairs and she'll go, I'm sorry. And I'm like, it's okay. And she's like, I don't know what happens to me. I don't. So I start laughing again. I'm like, oh my God. I'm like, I don't know. Don't you do know that you're, you're, she's like, you're not helping.

I'm trying to apologize. Okay, go ahead. I apologize. Yeah. I've had to swing the fact that me go into some of these places that I've had to go through in the past to be a judge at some of these contests and everything. Therefore, you know, furthering the channel. You know, that was the benefit of it.

And it really was. These girls have interesting conversations. My highest rated video is a for, actually I don't think she's former anymore. She's still working is a adult film star. Ryan Connor got an amazing reach. Shouted it out on her channel on her Instagram. That's got a, a great number of followers. I don't know what she's at.

keep getting knocked down because, you know, they pushed the boundaries with the, the pictures. But I mean, it was really like if I always tell people like go listen to the, the podcast and it's not your generic sex talk type shit. You know, we actually had a really good conversation of like always am curious how people got into the business. Then what kept them there? What's your plans?

Because they don't exactly have social security for these types of things. What did COVID do for the business? You know, what is? What did doors that only fans open up? And she was like really big in the 90s that she had a daughter. She stopped for like 10 or 15 years and she came back by then. This is like she was obviously in the milf, you know, category. So there's like a whole other demographic for to to there.

And she was actually a really cool chick man. I mean, I enjoyed that interview. It's right now it's my top. Jeans closing in jeans at like 73,000 and Ryan's at like 76 or so. So jeans. And the raining ground. Well, I could never, never interview a porn star. I mean, as in you're not allowed or you just couldn't?

Oh, I mean, I'm allowed, but I know the fallout from that. You know, I'm not, I'm just not, I'm not willing to accept with the, listen, yeah, I just, I just can't. I just can't. It's the old adage by sex cells. or sex appeal sales 100%. Listen, I just had a video that we released of a cat burglar. Yes. Oh, yeah.

She was very interesting. Burglarized over 200 houses, $6 million, did like 10 years. And listen, and Jess is like leaving as she's showing up. Jess turns around and sat in that fucking stool right over there. the entire podcast. You know, and smiling and just as sweet as can be. And I thought, all I could think of was, you need to, like, don't you smile at this chick.

Don't you flirt with this chick. Don't, you know, you need to. And every time, you know, I'd laugh. I'd like, oh, yeah, yeah, I like that. She'd be sitting there like this. She go. I've seen her interview on, uh, I think Ian. She was on Ian's, uh, platform.

I knew I remembered her from somewhere because when it popped up on originally I thought that was Molly Bloom. You know, Molly Bloom is? I've heard the name. I would love to interview Molly. She, um, there's a movie. It's called Molly's game. Oh yeah, yeah.

And basically she was running high in card games. some of the upper echelon Hollywood and yeah, the Russian mob was backing a lot of it. Like, it was the games that like Ben Affleck Leonardo Caprio, Toby McGuire would be at. I think if I'm not mistaken, I'm working

on a show, the first show that I've ever done where I don't have a guest. And it's about the Viper Room and the history of the Vipy room. And I think that in the Viper, she was running the games out of a room in the Vipar Room after it wasn't up under Deps control anymore. Is what I heard.

Right. Um, yeah, I, I know the book came out when I was in prison and it was pat being passed around. I never read it. But I did see the movie. Yeah, I watched the movie on a plane, um, somewhere and it was, uh, it was pretty good. It was pretty true for me. Like, I guess she, she had a, she could have named a lot of names and jammed a lot of people up. And she didn't and she was able to get off. Well, I say get off. She, I think she did do a little bit of time. But, you know, she didn't, she didn't put anybody else up on her to bus. I guess that's right. And I'd love to. She does a lot of speaking engagement stuff now. She might be a little bit too big for the britches of crime and entertainment. But I would love to interview her at some point. That would be awesome. When Jess first moved in, we went and we did, we were, you know, working out in the mornings, right? So there was a machine that was a bench press. And when I would do the bench press, you know, it's a machine, right?

You know, it's bench, but it's the machine. So I would do it. And it would pinch your back. And so you would get these little lines on your back. I remember we came home in the gym. I took a shower. I got out and, and Jess goes,

what are those? I was like, what do what? She was, what's on your back? I was like, oh, I don't know.

I turned around and looked and I was like, and keep mind, there's multiples of them. So it's not like it's like one track. It's, it's multiples at slightly different angle. So it looks like some chick. And I was like,

I don't know. Did you do that? And she's like, when did you do that? And she's like, no, I didn't. And I'm like,

because she's left scratch marks. It's, you know, there have been bite marks and stuff. So, you know, I'm like, oh,

I don't know. And she's like, well, that's not good enough. And I'm like, I don't know. I said, you know what I think it was.

I think it was that machine at the gym. Because I can feel at pinch you. She's like, oh, the machine at the gym. Machine gym. And I start laughing. I'm like,

yeah, the machine at the gym. So what do you think? You know, and I start laughing. I'm like, what do you think I'm doing? What do you think?

I, you know that you I moved you in so that I could have run around what you think where am I going when's this happening so I start laughing and I kind of blow it off she's irritated I can tell she's irritated for a little bit but she stops talking about it right a week or two later she sees them again but she starts to put it together and now she kind of pays attention and she realizes that fucking that it's that one bench that it is doing it she and she now like six months later a year later she told told me, she said, you have no idea how upset that I was. And I really didn't. I'd laughed about it. Never heard about it again. But for like weeks, she's, she's tracking me. She's stopping by the house

randomly. She's looking at my phone. She's, you know, it's like, what do you, what do you think's 's happening here? Like, that's insanity. Like, um, but yeah, I, I just didn't realize like, you know, they're crazy. They get crazy. I got, I got a quick good one. So I, uh, My wife, being my wife, is checking out my Facebook. And I don't go on Facebook. I just don't. I go on for work to do ads. But that's the only reason I have it.

So evidently, I like a girl's photo. She pulls up and says, who is this? I don't know. Who is this? I don't know. Well, why did you like her photo? I didn't like her photo, right? So thank

frigging God that I have a It has a login when you log in to your Facebook When I log in myself My last login is to say Tuesday The like was on a Wednesday So I physically couldn't have liked it So I think Facebook

Automatically likes things for you Without you even doing it Just for the algorithm But thank God I had proof No She's right here Actually, it does. It does do that.

It's not on my account. I had physical fruit because you got to live and die by the sword, right? Meaning if I catch you on a like, when did you log in? So luckily, I didn't know this. I didn't know this. And I'm a digital market. I should know this that when you log into Facebook, it gives you your login and where you log. You would think.

You would think. And sure enough, thank goodness that I log. in prior to that. I did not log in after. And on that. Yeah. So so I here's one. This is this is funny. Like I wanted to talk about how I'm having problems getting guests and like this is what it's turned into. Um, so I have one. Uh, Jess. So if you're friends with someone, right, then it'll say, you know, it'll, it'll, it'll do a, um, oh, a friend record or a friend suggestion.

Well, you have, you have a mutual friend. So every once in a while, some hot chick will show up. And it'll say, friend requests, you have mutual friend. She's like, oh, I wonder who that is. Click, motherfucker. She's like, how do you know her? And I'm like, I don't know her. Really?

Well, you're friends with her. I'm like, okay, well, keep in mind. I've had that account since the, since we were in, we were in the halfway house. And we didn't date for a long period of time. And there was a time where I was basically, everybody that even came in, I was like, you know, accepted, accepted, accepted. I was like, plus I own, I have a podcast. So people will come.

She's like, oh, so you see this chick and you, you accept it. You don't even know her. You don't even know her. I'm like, right. I don't know her. You know, and then, of course, she's got to go through her whole account. Yeah. You know, then she's got, listen, it got so bad one day.

I, you know, and I just laugh about it. But she's like, you know, if it bothered you, she's, you can go through my entire thing. I don't have any guys that I don't specifically know. And if they hit on me at all, I'm like, I've never even talked to this chick. Like, I don't know who this girl is. I've never, there's no, you can look at my Instagram, my, my, my, my, my, my, my messenger, I've never a message this person. I'm like, you're a crazy person right now.

You're being crazy. And she's like, that, no, no, she's like, I would never. I would never. I mean, let's do this. Because I don't know her. I'm not upset if I take her off my account. Would you like for me to go through my entire Facebook of, and I think it's like fucking two or three thousand people.

I go and an unfriend every woman that I don't specifically know or isn't a wife of somebody or a friend of something. Would you like me to do that? And she's like, I mean, if that's what you want to do, I don't want to make you. Well, you want to make me do it. Listen. I said, look, I'm happy to do it because I never go on Facebook. Yeah. And she knows it because she gets pissed off because she'll, she'll post something.

And she'll say, did you see my post? I'm like, what post? The post I put on Facebook, I'm like, I don't go on Facebook. And she's like, well, I posted something and it got like 170 likes. And you're not one of them. Yeah, okay. I'll go like it. No, no, no, don't like it.

Don't like it. Okay. Yeah, sorry. You know what? You know how it is? It's insanity. It's insanity. This one was the, it was a good.

So it was before I was working night shift. Like the job I had before, you know, my life went completely off the. the rails. I was working, I would work four days, day shift, and I'll be off for four days. Then I would work for nights. And you essentially rotated that schedule. So on night shift, I would call ahead to this gas station that I passed every day and order a sub. It was a gas station. We had a subway inside of it. And I would call in and I would order a sub. That way it would be ready by the time I got there. So I wouldn't have to wait in line, you know, because sometimes if the line was long, I'd be late for work, couldn't do that. So I'd call when I'd a

at the house typically by the time I got there it was ready I'd pick it up and go and this has been going all for a while so we're having you know a bad little spout in the uh into marriage and she she's like what is she's like I need you tell me who you're talking to every day when you leave the house I'm like what are you talking about and she's like every night she's like it's only when you're on night shift you don't do it in the morning bitch must be sleep you only do it at night time and you call her as soon as you walk out the door and I'm just like I'm sitting. I'm like, I'm quiet. She's taking that as I'm like nervous, but I'm like, who do I call every time I walk out the door? And I go back through my phone and in the phone is

subway. Right. It's just not the best look either because that's kind of what people put pizza hut or whatever. And I'm like, oh, I was like, you know what? Why don't you call them? Why don't you go investigate this? And she's like, why don't you just tell me what the hell's going on? I'm like, it's a gas station that has a subway in it that I order food from that I only do on the four nights that I'm working night shift. And so after that she kind of started laughing about it. And I'm like, I'm not really laughing right now. I'm a little terrified that you're laughing about it because a minute ago, you're ready to kill me. And this is all over subway, you know, just me eating.

Maybe if you've done a little something in the kitchen, we wouldn't be having this. Wait, wait, wait, let me, let me, let me unpack this. You had subway in your phone and you're the only person in the world where it was actually subway. Yeah, I was, she didn't even know that it was in the phone and subway. She was just, she was seeing that it was called every day almost as soon as I left the house, which was what I would do because I'd had a time to where when I left, if I called right then by the time I got there, if they would finally, you know, have it ready and I could just go in, pay and go. And so when I was going back through, I'm like, that was the day.

I went to the day before. And I'm not, it's not registering that Subway is what she's talking about. And then finally I'm like, oh, that's what she's talking about. And so at that point, I'm just like, I'll give you the number. You call them. You know, you call you call. You call. See, go investigate it.

This will be funny. But yeah, it was actually Subway. And I don't, here's what I, what kills me is as many times as I've had the accusations. And it's been like, and you're like, well, let me go ahead and show you what this is. And then she sees it and she's like, oh, uh, Okay. It's like, look, like if it was once, if I was wrong once, I'd be like, okay, well, doesn't mean I'm always going to be wrong. But if I was wrong once and then twice and then three times and then four times, then five times and then six, I'm like, how many times do you have to be shown that this is in your head for you to realize I need to stop with this. And like, when I went to New York, she's like, you know, you didn't get into three in the morning, which I did get in late.

We were out fairly late. But I was like, you know, only tell you what I got. I had a nice trip leading subway. Yeah. I said I got a podcast out of it. So I actually met Gene. Gene was in New York. I didn't know he was in New York. He put up a post of saying like eating Chinese food in Manhattan.

And I hit him up. I like, you're in the city. And he's like, yeah, I'm like me too. So we get together that night. And one of my buddies that I had on,

that had been in jail for 22 years for something he didn't do. His name was Andre Brown. He was already coming over to meet me. So we all hung out at the hotel. turns out they knew each other and Tom you may know this lawyer um a little bit better than Matt but I want to say his name was Tom too he was tied him with the bananas he got caught up in something that was going on he got disbarred he was I guess Key and Vinnie Gore just going to jail yeah I know um I don't know the less I know who you're

talking about though yeah I think his name was Tom or Eric or something something along those lines Tommy Tommy Tommy was his name Tommy um I don't remember the last thing But anyways, that was the lawyer that Andre had. You know, Gene knew them, obviously. So they kind of hit it off. They shared those stories. They went to a lot of the same prisons and knew a lot of people in the prisons and and all of that.

But we hung out. Then we went to a nightclub up there. And we somehow, another got into a conversation. I don't even remember how it started, but it was with a group of girls. And they were saying that I'd done a podcast. And the girl was like,

oh, I got a story for you. And I'm like, well, a lot of people said, they got a story, you know, it was an interest. She's like, I got to turn myself into a podcast. federal prison in like 72 hours and I'm like, all right, well, you got my attention. You can keep talking. And yeah, she had to turn.

This was like Saturday night, Tuesday, she had to turn herself in to prison. So I'm like, what are you doing Monday? She's like nothing. I'm like, all right, we'll do the podcast Monday. So we did it Monday and I put it out, I think like Tuesday or Wednesday, but I told I'm like, that's what I'm looking for when I don't care where I'm at. You know, if I go, I'm looking for a story. I'm looking for something to put on the show.

I'm not looking for anything else. That's what I'm looking for. And it actually was a good podcast. The 25th hour, I think. I know what you call it, Matt? 25th hour podcast. I'm an occasional foot long. Yeah, yeah, the occasional foot long,

meatball, mariner. That was a great movie. The 25th hour. It was. We did Eddie Edward Norton. Morton, yeah. And Barry Pepper. I love that speech he gives.

Oh, I was not to say, I've always wanted to find like a poster that's that got all that shit. And it'd probably be a lot to read, but it was, it was really cool. I like Edward Norton. And that was one of his better movies, but he kind of hadn't really been doing much lately. No. I mean, I always wonder what happens to those guys. I feel like I know exactly how it works now because I've watched all set all eight seasons of entourage.

So I know exactly how the movie industry works now. I got it. I got it down. What I understand, he was not an easy person to work with. He was notoriously, I guess, difficult to get along with is some of could have been. what led to some of that. I mean, like his American history X movie that he did, that was phenomenal. Um, it was another one he did that was really I liked him in the rounders rounders was one of rounders was good. I liked him in the score with Robert De Niro where he played like the kid that

had something wrong with him or whatever, but really he was casing the joint out the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. I the other score. Yeah. He was really good at that. So, um, God, that was a great. That's great. That's great. That's one of the. those ones at the very end of the movie where you're like, man. And he said, yeah, he's like, he's like, what does he say? How has he said? Um, uh, you start thinking you were smarter than me. Yeah, exactly.

And he's like, oh, you know what I got. You know what I got. What do you got? Do you sure you know what you got? And he's like, yeah. And he opens it up. He's like, all right now, hey, wait a minute now. Let's talk about this.

No, what'd you say? Tough. Screw you. You know, that was a great movie. Great movie. I think it was one of Brando's last. movies too marlin brand no was in that movie he was one of his last one before he passed away did you ever see the movie um uh the hot uh is it i think it is called the heist with yeah

jean haggman that's a great movie love that one i was actually sitting there thinking about that when you said that i was thinking about the the heist another good but i don't know if a lot of people like are hip to that movie but it was good had de veto in it um and then at the end like they had the gold painted like black or something like that right because he right the truck looking it's like against something? Yeah, it looked like it was, you know, just iron pipes, raw iron pipe or something. And it was actually, that's where the gold was. Yeah.

Yeah, because you never really know because you see them making the gold. Yeah. You see them making the pipe. So you think, oh, it's on the boat. That's. Yeah. Oh, man. What was I going to tell you?

Shoot. Yeah, I love that where the guy, shoot, I forget what the name of that, the black actor is, the tall black guy. That's part of his crew. he's a great actor in that movie in the high show yeah where he says to what is the guy it's not anyway he says to this one actor he looks at him and he says uh um like like they're putting up cones they've got they got cones up and they got hard like they're really dressing it up to just to sit on the side of the road he's like what's with all this stuff and he's like i mean why don't we just do this and he's like well he's like you know just in case he's like for what he's like just

in case and he's like for what and he goes and he says look he said you ever uh you ever run around on your girl and he goes yeah yeah of course of course he said you ever um you ever call a buddy for an out to be your alibi and he goes yeah yeah of course he goes and then you come home and your girl doesn't think even think you did anything wrong and she never asked where you were and she doesn't call your buddy he's like yeah of course he said was it a waste of a time setting up the alibi and he goes no no he said right is basically it's like subterfuge is never a waste of time even if it's unnecessary yeah so it's a great it's a great um it's a horrible segue in the conversations we were just talking about it is but i'm not

but i'm not really you two are you know my wife's not a boat right now so delroy lindo i think is the guy you're referred to oh yeah yeah he's good yeah my favorite one was they were talking about is your guy cool he's like my motherfucker's so cool when he goes to sleep sheep count him so question pivot a little bit and you guys basketball fans nick fans or basketball fans at all

I watch it when it gets down like very very low like to the you know maybe four teams left or something like there's so many damn games in there I'm like spoiled by football because like every game when it gets down to the playoffs and football like every game matters Well, so I'm always glued to that. In basketball, you know, if I miss the first two or three, I still get to watch the fourth one, even if they get sweated.

The Knicks, the Knicks Six-year series was insane. There were two games aside. One, six points in like less than two seconds. And the other one tied up in the last minute when overtime. The series was insane between the Knicks and the Sixers. And the money that was bet on that was crazy because I remember that first game, it like people won on the under by like a half a point and had that shot counted

that he just kind of lofted up from half court when the game was over if they would have hit it would have costed Vegas I think a lot of money or something like that guy got like bumped fouled and was supposed to kind of like just whatever shot got it in and then hit the free throw it was insane it was like like a unlikely event and then it went to overtime

but next wind up winning anyway, which is good, be a series. That's probably one of the cooler interviews that I've ever done because I've seen the documentary on Netflix bad sport. Oh, yeah. I don't know if you guys have seen that. And then I reached out to the guy that was pretty much the mastermind of fixing about four games in the Arizona State college basketball arena.

And so he was, it was a campus bookie there named Benny Silman. And he was, you know, taking beds, obviously. And Gagliano, Joe Gagliano, to my knowledge, not mob affiliated, was basically beating his brains in because his lines were not accurate. But the uneducated betters were losing. So he tells him, look, I'm killing it here with these kids, but you're taking everything I went and I got to cut you off. and but they remain friends. And one of the guys on the campus gets indebted to him like almost 20 grand. And his name is Steven Headache Smith.

He is at the time the top basketball player in the country. Hands down. There's nobody better. He is the guy. That was back where they weren't necessarily conserving energy as much like they would play the full game. And he tells him, he's like, I got to, he calls him. And he basically breaks it down.

He was like, look, I got him for 20 grand. We're going to agree if he'll come on board. will wipe his debt, we'll pay him 20 grand. He doesn't have to lose the game, just not cover the spread. And they did it. They did too. It went off without a hitch. And according to Joe, everything was good.

I don't know how much time had passed. Those two games flew under the radar because they were right around the time the Super Bowl was being played. So so much money was on the Super Bowl, everybody kind of ignored college basketball at that point. Super Bowl was over. So that's a lot of betting is now deceased because a lot of people only do football. Now more of attention is being paid to this money that's being bet. Headache calls Joe and wants to bet like 20,000 on himself against LSU. And he's like, you know, worst case, he'd already made, you know, however much,

but God knows how much money. So he's like, worst case scenario, if he loses, I know I got him for a third game. Best case scenario, he wins and I see a good basketball game. So he says he goes, he flies there, to the game and it was like I want to say the spread was like five and a half they were down by six or something like that the game is essentially over but they do have like two seconds left people are starting to walk on to the court and headaches like yelling for the ball like give me the fucking ball dribbles down and he goes to pull up this three had he made it they would have covered

the spread so he'd have won it rims out goes in rims out so now he's on the hook for 20 grand they have to do a third game they pull that one off everybody makes a ton of money by this time they brought somebody else on the team in other people started hearing about and getting hip to it apparently another like drug dealer type of guy with a shady background found out he was wanting in on it and the fourth game that they were going to do there was so much money placed on that game that the secret service come into the locker room at halftime i was like we don't know exactly what's going on but we know something's going on And if you guys don't play up to your full potential, there will be an investigation.

And they went out and pretty much obliterated the other team and everybody lost. But he had it set up, man, him, his buddies, his dad, they would all just go to these different casinos all day long. So it wouldn't be like one huge bet at one spot, you know, 25,000 here go to the next casino, 25,000 here go to the next casino, 25,000 all, you know, up and down the whole damn strip. And they did eventually get busted, but it was like a year after. and headache got busted. They eventually got Joe and he went to jail. But he doesn't necessarily do one. He's kind of created a podcast.

Somebody else runs it for him. But I had him come on. And I mean, it was a very interesting. So I would have gotten sucked into that so bad had I been in that circle. I got that would have been right there along with him. I'll go ahead and admit it. I would have been right there. Because it's it's guaranteed.

It was guaranteed. They just got too many people involved. That's usually the downfall. So this just reminded me of Jerry Merlino's. Is it Ms. Marlino? Merlinos. Yeah, Joey Merlino's podcast talking about sports.

So I'm wondering, what's, does anybody, what's going on with his podcast? Is he still doing YouTube or? Yeah, they, they're on YouTube for teasers. And they're driving everybody over to their Patreon account. So they have like a $15 subscription, and it looks like it seems to be going pretty well for them. They're kind of doing the teasers, a little bit of juice, a little bit of tea. He called out John Gotti Jr. for being a rat. He's kind of people on both sides of defense on that.

And that seemed to serve a little controversy recently. Yeah, and he had Pete Rose on, too, though. That was a good. That was a banger, yeah. Yeah, I enjoyed that one because Pete obviously kind of around that same situations with the gambling and then banning him from the Hall of Fame, you know, because they should let Pete in there. I mean, because all that shit that's going on now with what the,

I don't really follow baseball, but Otani, everything's going on with him. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. I mean, as long as you're not jeopardizing yourself with the sport. I mean, if you're not losing on purpose, I don't, you know, that, that, like what the ref did, Donahue, that I think deserved punishment for sure. but if you're betting on yourself boxers can do it

Floyd Mayweather does it he bets on himself all the time well Ryan Garcia got six to one on his own on his own boxing match and I think he put out $2 million to win 10 or something crazy like that hell yeah

good for him what was saying that oh I was just wondering what their what their Patreon was up to I don't know the the numbers on there I'll give a little hack So if you're not signed up, you can see the number of likes. And generally, if you're in Patreon within their system, if you will, more than likely, probably about 50 to 70% are going to like the latest video or on average.

So if they have, let's say, 500 likes, they probably have about 800 subscribers to the Patreon. And many times it by 15, that's probably what they're making. Yeah, but you can see what they're making. Some, some patrons list the number of subscribers. I don't think there's those. Oh, okay. Just curious. I was going to say, um, okay, just wondering.

I do know. I did hear that one that he did on Gotti Jr. uh, basically the pay, which was, which was not like uncovering a secret. I mean, people had knew that he had talked.

Um, not necessarily directly put people in jail, but did have a conversation with them. Um, You know, what did you take away from that, Tom? A load of question. So he claims it was a legal strategy, which it was, right? So he kind of gave him a whole bunch of bogus information, information that was either public, et cetera.

Where it gets little dicey, there were two guys that they get kind of tripped up, Joe Watts and Danny Marino. So again, it's really in the mobosphere that you and I are in. It's a little controversial because there's a side of game bullshit information. And it was, you know, it didn't. matter. Then he got the side of, well, he sat down with the government. Didn't matter. There was two guys individually that may accidentally or certain nipitously got tripped up. I personally believe the government said, hey, here's a 302. This guy's going to testify against you as a bluff. I don't think he was ever going to testify. I always say I was on

Angel's show. I like Angel. In my personal opinion, I am not a street guy. I am a regular, you know, poor kids. To me, I'm not justified to call anybody. a rat, that's just me, right? Now, in that world, if you sit down with the government, I can see why some street guys would see it that way. Yeah. This is dicey for me. I mean, you know, if you can swindle the government and if you can outsmart them by giving

them bogus information or information that leads nowhere, you know, I don't see too much of an issue with it. Now, if you put 80 some odd plus people in jail. like, you know, some people and yeah, that's, that's a little different. And there's an episode in Sopranos. It's towards the end of the season. It's when Tony and Polly have to actually go on the run,

because they're digging up a body that allegedly was Tony's first hit in the series. And so they're kind of flashing back to it. And they say that Larry Berisi is talking to the feds. Larry Burisi is played by Tony Darrow, who is, if anybody's ever seen good, Fellas was the guy that Joe Pesci hit in the face with the bottle in the restaurant scene. And he's been in a ton of other stuff too. And, um, shit, what the hell was I talking about?

Well, real quick, Tony Dow in real life got jammed up. He did get jammed up. He knew a few wise guys and somebody either or the money or disrespect him or somebody. He called some wise guys. They tuned the guy up. They tuned the guy up. They made the connection caught on the wiretap or something else. And they got He's done a piece of demo. Pretty jam. So give you kind of like, I'll give you my perspective, right?

In the 90s in New Jersey, right? If you knew somebody and you had an issue, it wasn't a big deal to call somebody connected. They would not kill him, but tune the guy up. Not a big deal. Like any other day of the week, to be honest with, right? If you were in that world. But the fact that it was, I guess, an actor. And they really kind of threw the book at him.

And I think he got a few years. years from it. But yeah, Tony Jowler got jammed up by a simple calling a wise guy and tuning somebody up that he knew. And that's what it was. I remember. I kind of lost my train and thought there. But in the in the show, they say that his character is talking to the feds or whatever. And he gives them the name of somebody. Actually, I think it was Jackie Appreel in the show, which Jackie had died from years ago. So he's like, yeah, I know who committed the murder. It's Jackie April. He's buried under this house. You can find him there. obviously that's not going to do the government any good because the guy he gave was dead so in those

aspects did he sit down did he talk to the government yeah he did that maybe shave some time off like you know i'll tell you where this body is if i can you know walk or what and then he tells him it's somebody that's dead you know is that considered ratting no i consider that's smart business well i once i once asked and this guy was from the other side it's from sicily um may or may not have been connected but just just just i wanted to come kind of get an understanding of the true the words called emerita right so what is it what does it really mean like what's a real old school sicilian mafios the definition so it so i'll give an example if waive negotiates a reduction of sentence and meets with law enforcement behind closed

doors even with his attorney and reduces the sentence that meeting with law enforcement in any way is breaking omerta. So basically, if you go by the old school definition, you were to not allocute, you're not saying, you know, admitting you're not to meet with law enforcement for a sentence reduction, you're not to meet with prosecutors,

you're not to meet FBI on a side chat, the kind of little quip pro quo, none of it. So if you kind of go the old school kind of way, and you're not also not spoke to the media as well. Yeah. And that was like a big deal in sopranos when Johnny Sack took his, his deal was the allocution. And that's like the whole thing,

never admit to the existence of our thing. That's why, you know, it was a big deal John Gotti. He never wanted anybody to take plea deals because even taking a plea deal was admitting that there was something, some existence of that life. So he was totally against anybody to take a plea deal. That's related to the John Jr. thing. And it's kind of separate but related. Danny Marine.

Right. Because he went to his father, right, and asked him. Yeah, yeah. And so when Danny Marino took a plea deal, he paid like $5 million, he did a few years, not many. And he allocated, which at his level doesn't happen. But some people believe it was a 302 from juniors that prompted him to do so. Gerald Shargell was his lawyer, who was obviously the previous mob lawyer for other other guys. I think even John Jr. lawyer. And he's in past. But just my research and people that I spoke to, people felt Danny Reno, may have allocated and took a favorable deal for him, partially because of the John Jr. thing. To give a little better context, and Danny Marino was stripped up with, like, seven other guys,

and, like, one of the guys was driving, like, Russian strippers to the mobbed-up strip clubs, and there was, like, a sex trafficking component, right? Not the Indian Marino, but the one guy that was in on it. What do they call you guys, a ham sandwich or whatever it is? So they kind of put the tallies down. on everybody and Danny had nothing to do with it as well as it was a little bit of an embarrassment what kind of the maid guys that were in on that and the matter is some believe some believe

that junior's testimony may have contributed to his allocution it's quite possible let's see what's that's the saying that can indict a ham sandwich I don't I didn't even know when I got indicted I never knew like it was like a long time before that actually happened and then I was talking to my lawyer one day and I'm like, I'm not even indicted him. He's like, oh, yeah. Did I miss that email? I didn't even know. He's like, not a big deal.

He's like, you were going to get indicted anyway. Like it's not a big deal. Like I was expecting that. Easy to say. Yeah. He's not been indicted. Yeah. You were expecting that.

I wasn't. I guess I mean, in the grand scheme of things, the more I've kind of learned and research the legal system, it, you know, it is not a shocking thing. I mean, if they don't, even if they don't indict you, you can still be charged. Like, and I know that's rare. It's pretty much saying they have no case, but like when you get, when your stuff goes in front of the grand jury, like, I wasn't allowed to be there.

My lawyer's not allowed to be there. You just hear the state side of it. It's really an unfair screwed up policy situation of how that whole thing happens. Anyway, so if they hear everything from the state side and still choose not to indict you, then that's really saying that you really got no case here. But they can still choose to go forward if they want. Well, I mean, I'm, I'm not going to sit here and listen to you say that the justice system is unfair. Oh, yes, you will. I mean, that's, I've never even heard that. So, but hey, listen, it's, uh, let's, let's, let's wrap this up. We need some, we need guests for remote.

I need yes. Matt Cox needs a guess. I'm going to go to the well. Give me 48 hours and you will have plenty of guests. All right. Cool. Cool. Definitely.

I'm not at that level of doing four a week. I would deliver. I'm doing four a month and at best. But you guys have full-time jobs. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, my Patreon is starting to pay off. I'm not Patreon.

What am I saying? Patreon is not paying off. Um, uh, um, TikTok. Yeah. Wow. TikTok. Like we're making money on TikTok. That's in shock.

How many followers do you have? In the, I've, we've gotten 20,000 more followers in the last probably two weeks. Well, wait, no. It was like 38,000. Like for some reason, mine hasn't jumped up like it's probably like other people you see. They're like, oh, it's been six months and they've got 180,000 followers. Yeah. I got 52,000 followers, but it was at like 36, about two weeks ago.

But like I said, we've had several videos that have just gotten like, you know, 5.7 million, you know, 3.2 million, 1.7 million. Like so for like three, four months, it wasn't doing anything. Every video we're putting, and we're putting up a video a day, it's getting 800. Wow. 1100. Yeah. 700. It was like, Jesus.

That went on for months. Then it slowly was like 2,200, 4,000. Listen, and then within like a month, so that went on for three or four months. Then in the last two, last three months, it has just been through not all of them. But for me, I mean, it's like it was a dramatic change. Now, are you doing videos under a minute? Because I think that was you that told me TikTok is now pushing stuff over a minute. So all of ours now is like a minute and a half, two minutes.

That's what I did. On the last, because I took a break for a little bit from the shorts between doing all the thumbnails and everything. I just, I didn't have fucking time. I was tired. But when I'd done a lot of the clips from Gene's second episode, I clipped out 60 second ones for YouTube. And then like a minute 20 to two to three minutes for TikTok and Instagram and Facebook. Right. So it's doubled my workload still.

But I went to that just to try to give a little bit more, you know, on there since that's what they're kind of asking. So quick TikTok story. So my daughter, she's now three. When she was about eight months old, my wife set up a TikTok, which is kind of a mommy and me type account. She did this little thing that do, do, do do do do. This little like stupid thing with music and like touching her belly, getting her smile. And it got 15 million views.

My daughter has a hundred and three thousand followers on her account. My wife got weirded out and made it private and stopped posting because people were claiming that was our daughter. People were like saying some really weird random shit. We have that many views. Like there was like duets with like that's my daughter and like it got kind of weird. So my wife pulled the account and it's it's there, but it's private with a hundred three thousand followers. I'll be somebody's daughter with a hundred. I was going to, I just roll that over.

I'd start like the TikTok I have right now. We were posting on it and then I'd stop posting on it. And it had like when we started, it had like 11,000 followers. And we just started posting the stuff from my channel on it. Like I'd take that 115,000 start posting your stuff on it. I am right. Well, I was thinking of maybe taking it over. But then the only thing is it's like a kid account.

So you never know. I do have another account that we should collab on. We'll talk this week. And there's about 94,000 followers more of a media channel, but if you have something related, I could post it so you can't collab on on TikTok, but I could post something on mine and then put you at and then you might get some followers that way about 95,000 followers in that account. I'll do it. I'll take all the followers I can get here. All right. Let's wrap it up. What do you guys want to you guys? I know Wade doesn't want to put this on his own. If anybody cares, it's new theory podcast. I'm at 48,000 subs.

I want to get to 100. First, I want to get to 50, and then I want to get to 100. And then I want to be cool like Matt and maybe get to 200. And that's my YouTube, you know, journey. Goal. Yeah, journey is nice. I'm just trying to hit 10,000. That's all I'm trying to.

What? What are you at now? I'm at 8.9. I think it is. 8.9,000. So I'm not, I'm not far away. I did just hit the one million view milestone. I think about two weeks ago.

And that's that's not bad considering I only do one a week. I don't do lives or anything like that. And I recently just started doing shorts like not too long ago. I know that's really helped the views. I will say this though. I started off in a mob. First I did business. And then I did a mob genre for a few years.

And I pivoted to back the business. My numbers dropped like a stone. But I'm doing content that I love. I'm going to get Matt on soon. And I'm going to get Wade on soon. And with that, guys, I'm out. I got a 740. And thank you so much for having me.

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