Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Con Man Begs For Help after being on FOX NEWS...

Episode Date: May 17, 2024

Con Man Begs For Help after being on FOX NEWS...

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They're passing me by. And so then like a week later, suddenly I got an email from Jack, I think Flanagan or something, which is his producer and he was like, hey, we'd love to have you on the Justy Waters thing. And I was like, oh, yes. I started thinking I was irrelevant. No. So, yeah. So I was like, yeah, anytime. Let me know. And he disappeared. and then he came back like a week later hey let's try and you know get something on the books okay whatever anytime you know let me tell you when you do that anytime it doesn't happen it doesn't yeah if you're like yeah listen i'm good on tuesday and wednesday of next week now i gotta ask i got to ask you a very serious question you banged every hot chick on the podcast i know on the podcast planet meaning only rogan's left for you i'm being real like you like you peaked you You're the high school, fucking high school.

I thought we were going in a whole different direction right there. Yeah, I heard something completely different. I bet it was a parable on the, I'll say it on the show, on the podcasting front. This is the show. We're recording? Yeah. Nice to tell me. But anyway, you, he doesn't tell you.

He just fucking rolls. But here's my point. You only have Rogan left. like I'm you're my friend I love you like you're like a high school built like six pack you have the hot like cheerleader like there's like like there's nowhere to go like you're hanging out with me and Wade like just get on Rogan and then just like just end it like that's it. Have you never been contacted by Rogan? I do I'm not going to use a different analogy because I was about to send an ambulance to your

house of Jess was anyone nearby. Yeah. my she um um oh you notice me funny or like she got a job right like uh she she's on like these working with on these super yachts and stuff and there's there's some uh so sometimes they take people out so she's out right now on like a big party on like a 120 foot yacht and you know they have to have like a mechanic and i think actually i think tonight she's working as a like a steward they call I'm a Stewart, which is like a waitress or something. Right.

So she'll do something like, I don't know, she does different things. But so she, tonight she went. So, you know, she's hanging out with a bunch of rich guys on a fucking yacht in the middle of the ocean. Doesn't even come home until like 12, 12, 30. I'm asleep. Yeah. You know, I, you are doing a podcast.

I feel like, I feel like if the roles were reversed, she wouldn't be nearly as cool as I am about it. I'm like, yeah, of course, of course. Oh, yeah. no but on your podcasting journey what do you have left tell us um i mean it would be nice to do rogan that would be super cool right but but the truth is that i already know of i i know that lex friedman mentioned me to him right um and then i know that i and i believe a couple other guys have told me that have been that were on my show and then have been on his show that have reached

to him and he's never shown any interest he's this you know i heard he's a strange bird where he like he just if he wants to talk to he'll talk to you right right so so if he like sees the right clip or if he sees the right short or something like kind of activates something for him i got a feeling you will end up on a show that's literally you will end up well so one of one of the things that happened was when rogan discovered soft white under belly okay right mark later yeah it when he talks about soft white underbell he's like man this guy he interviews everybody like drug addicts and you know pimps and this he he he interviewed this con man um he so i was the only con man on there so he knows you're yeah but you're in his

orbit you just now need to put it out there into the universe yeah well it's been out there's just i i'm okay with like if it doesn't that doesn't happen then i'm okay with i listen like you know think about all the people's shows I've been on like that it's super cool like I'm appreciative lex free was number one outside of rogue in my opinion by far but honestly I feel like the soft white underbelly I thought it was only because I feel like the the the footage that he shot it was such a good interview he edited it really well and so you know is it like am I going to get a bunch of people from it or views from it or is it going to turn into something Like, no, of course, it was years ago.

Yeah. But still, when I look at them, if somebody said, hey, which one do you want me to watch? Yeah. Like, I'm not going to kill six and a half hours with Lex Friedman. I don't even suggested. I'm like, here, watch this one. It's an hour. It's doable.

Yeah. It's, it's great. The Francise ended up okay. I think it was in the 150th K range. I bet. Yeah, but the audio got fucked up. I know. You know, so.

And then Mark's kind of like that, too. You know, I reached out to Mark about my story. And he was just. like i want to say he says something in the law i don't know if it'll fit in what i'm doing i'm thinking we interview a lot of the similar stories but i mean i can't argue with a man that's got his success so you know he did say like hit me up if you're ever out here and then when i was out there i did hit him up because jc uh went and done the show um literally he went and done soft white when i went and done uh cinema mills tv oh marco good dude yeah yeah i don't think

that's come out yet but it's as soon he's he's done a couple shorts from it but the videos not uh not dropped yet but yeah he was he was a cool guy for sure actually and i got sometimes i don't mind waiting because the subs go up well i recommended that actually when when matt was going out to see michael i was like i can maybe hook him to cinemales but you'd have a lot of time matt you were like in and out right yeah yeah i didn't have time to do that um maybe do francis again if you felt the audio was off or no I mean, I, you know, it's funny too, because he actually, when he ends it, he ends it with like, you know, uh, uh, you know, this is part one. It's like part one. We didn't discuss a part two like part two part one. Like, yeah, you know, he's obviously he's, um, I don't know, he doesn't want to do a like he doesn't do long podcast or anything. So. Yeah. And I'm your story, my story, they're, they're hard to condense down into 45 minutes. right like you expect yours especially I mean you've got years and years worth of

stuff you're trying to cram in mind to at least lay the groundwork is as hard to do that I have to skip over a lot of stuff when I went to New York the other couple weeks ago and I did Andrea's you know at the studio she said you wanted to kind of keep it around 30 minutes and even that was like Andrews like yeah like a hard stop there's no like yeah and it's you have to cut out a lot Which is, I mean, it's not necessarily a bad thing because if somebody wants to hear a more detailed story, they may search it and land on mats or, you know, concrete or whoever. So it's, you know, not the worst thing in the world, but it's just hard to get a good tail in. I need at least an hour.

Matt, Matt, let me ask you this of the hundred shows you did, what did you get the most impact from text, calls, views, messages, comments, you know, a dead pigeon sent to your house, whatever it was. did you get the most impact of all your shows um concrete really danny's show yeah yeah only because it was the well i i think because it was so fresh and it got like two point you know two million and change very quickly and i and so i just don't think anybody it got that amount very quickly and it may not have just been danies because when i did danies then i did you know i did multiple I did Danny then I did well too now right so then I did his and then I then I did um soft wide underbelly so it was like all of these were going at the same time so yeah and so maybe it may have been a convergence of all of them I can't say for sure with then but I do know that

many many many people that reach out to me are like bro I've been watching you since concrete well I will say when I was on your show you published I was like I got lucky I was a first or second off a lex right i had people on my comments or dms or whatever i got i found you on cox i found cox on lex so i'm like right grandson of you know i mean i get a lot of that too that they'll say i found you on matt cox's on a different subject all day today i've been trying to get guests this is a this is a problem no like the four so here's what i thought i might got if i may have a few for you i don't want to say on camera because I have to get their approval too, but I might have a few line up here that are pretty pretty juicy that would be good because listen here's what's happening the more subscribers I get the the now huh got to feed the beast well the more well yeah and I'm doing four I do four a week right for so I have to schedule well I do four I release four videos a week. Holy shit so who's killing a record and do that so we schedule like six or seven because people just

drop out i just had a guy drop out guy i talked to him and here's the thing you know you email me you talk to me on the phone twice we've been texting we scheduled it and then all of a sudden it's like hey my lawyer said it's just not a good time for me to be on a do it but like bro you want like if you're gonna mention it to your lawyer mention it to him before you talk to me yeah don't don't have don't waste my time and then say oh i better check with my lawyer motherfucker you should have checked with your lawyer before you talked checked with me like You're just like, you know, people don't mind wasting your time. So so now that's open.

So it's like, here's what's happening is the more subscribers I get where it used to be I would reach out to somebody and this is how I felt like it went. I'd say, Hey, you know, I've got a podcast. I'd love to interview you. Would you like to come out? And they go, um, you know, hold on a second. Can we see the sobs? Can we do a remote? You know, like they'd be like, can we do a zoom?

Like I really like you, I really don't want to come out. Like, I don't. see this helping me much. You know what I'm saying? That kind of thing. It's like fuck. So what's happened now is that now when they look at the subs, they go, I say, hey, look, you know, I understand you're in Baltimore. Let's do a, we can do a remote. No, no, no, no, I want to fly in. And then I say, okay, well, listen, I can't pay for you to fly in. I can't, you know, I can't do any of that. It's like not my business model going broke trying to get content. I don't have another job. So, so they're they're like, no, no, no, I, I'll pay. I'll fly in.

I'll get the hotel. Don't worry. I'm cool. I got a somebody that lives there. No big deal. And it's like, okay, well, when do you want to do it? Because I'm trying to fill up the next two weeks. And they're like, uh, how about the end of June? The end of June, bro. I need people now. So you talk to the next time, okay, so we schedule something, okay, the 23rd, okay. And you hang up and you go, fuck, I'm still running out of content, call them, talk to the next person, hey, love your story, great. Yeah, we talked for 20 minutes. I go, man, this would be great? Would you like to do a remote?

And they're like, you know what? I really think I'd rather do it in person. Okay, when would you like to do that? You know what? I'm coming down there at the end of July. Fuck. Do you see what I'm saying? Hold on. So, Matt, so Matt, am I the only guest that took you out, you and Jess out for dinner?

Yes. But you know who I met with Jess and I drove to Orlando? Kevin, yeah. I met with Kevin. But that was after, though. Yeah, that was, yeah, that was way after. And I was going to say, I have another guest that is coming here. And he wants to take Jess and I out. And he's got a girlfriend in Orlando and he's going to, we're all going to meet. So that would be the second where I do the podcast and later on that night we're going to go. Love it. Wade, how do you get your guess?

Instagram, baby. That's been my go to from day one, man. And just I was really surprised at like how many people would actually respond back. You know, especially in the beginning. I don't want to say like superstars, but well-known people. Yeah. Like Tom Seismore. I got literally through Instagram.

Yeah. You know, Leibrancato. All the guys from Sopranos like Robert Fonara and John Fiore and, you know, Frank Santorelli, all these guys answered their, their DMs and Instagram. So we, we were supposed to have, I like to make up a better story than that. I had a, I had a partner at the time. And, uh, we were supposed to have Tom size Moran through a PR agent and last last minute he bailed. And we got, we got stuck interviewing like his co-stars, which we really didn't have a lot of interest in interview. but he he was difficult to nail down for the second half of the interview so like we we arranged

the time and everything um and i'll just go ahead and say it i mean he's you know passed away now but he did charge but i didn't care what he charged wasn't too out of the ballpark for me to have him on somebody of his caliber that had done what he did that would have been like to me i'm paying for a live autograph session of sorts you know so i was fine with it and we went like an hour or close closing in an hour and I was about to wrap it up and then he just was like hey you know I'm real tired can we finish this another time and I'm like yeah that's that's fine if you're going to keep going I'm going to keep going and now that that reschedule went through about four or five reschedules after that and I was really worried that he was going to

not show up you know for the second but he did he come back he done like another two hours and change got into like deep about how he when he was in the gotty role of witness to the Bob spoke to Gotti on the phone. Oh, wow. Um, talk, uh, what was the chick, Heidi Fleisch? You know, he dated Heidi Fleiss for a little while. Um, he was dating Juliet Lewis from, uh, natural born killers. And I mean, we just, we had, it was like one of the first podcast, I think up into

that time that I had really had no structure of what I wanted to ask. We just kind of rolled with it. And it was, it was really great. I enjoyed it. And I don't think I'm the last one he did because I know serious and silliness. um had him on because i gave him i communicated with them to hook up i was one of the last ones he did before he um he passed away and then the guy that you hooked me up with adam i guess at the same time was putting together the documentary saving size more and like the movie that he was

telling me that he was about to go film he was so excited about it and he was like i really think this is going to kind of help put me back on track that was the movie that i guess adam had had kind of helped him with so it was kind of it was a little surreal talking to adam because a lot of that same time frame was when they were filming, you know, his documentary. Wow. Yeah, I remember, I actually, I think I'm allowed to say this, I saw some of the clips from saving Sysmore documentary, which is in the can. It's not released yet.

And it's pretty perfectly interviewed everybody. Kevin, Matt, Kevin knows, knew him really well as well. They were in a same movie together, Bad Frank back in the day. Yeah, Kevin. Kevin knows a lot of people, you know, like he's been on a lot of programs. He's been on, like, I didn't realize he was sitting there talking about how he was, you know, on this, um, these episodes of this program. And, you know, I don't know a lot, but I recognize the names of the programs or the, whatever, the series that he was on. Yeah.

It was like I was on this front from the last four season two to season six to, and then they killed me. And then, you know, his wife was, uh, pretty. pretty big role in city on the hill um yeah that was that was i love city on the hill that so i actually funny i ran into kevin what we talked at the time but i went to a restaurant my wife and we randomly ran it to him and his wife at that same restaurant that was like randomly in like montlair new jersey so when i met amanda for the first time i was excited because i was like i used to love city on the hill yeah that's a good show that was uh tom fontana does that. He done Oz.

Yeah. Oh, it's horrible. You're like Oz? No, right. I watched, I watched like a couple seasons of it, but I was on the run and I kept thinking, man, this is what it's going to be. Oh, well, yeah, you got a different perspective of what it's going to be. But that show was fucking awesome.

Like, I love it. Tattooed the, you grab the lawyer and tattooed his lawyer. And it was like, oh, God, this is horrible. I don't want a tattoo. You know, it's especially there. Yeah. I've actually been rewisage. Watching Oz last couple of weeks, not what, what actually, what prompted me to do it was if, I don't know if you guys follow Tom Fontana or any of the guy, Dean Winters or Lee Turgensen from the show, but they released a short movie or short film.

Um, and it's basically picking up the lawyer you were talking about, which was Tobias Beecher and Dean Winters who played Ryan O'Reilly. And it's like Dean gets out of jail and he calls Tobias, who's an. hotel room he just got out of jail and it's like they're catching up you know over the phone it's like only like 10 or 15 minutes and all those guys are putting it on their instagram so i went and watched it and i'm like damn that was such a good show so i went back and like started watching it again and it's not hard to burn it's only like eight episodes in a season so it's not hard to burn through but all those guys that went on a lot of those guys that went on to do a lot of big time stuff you know chris leone or whatever his name is or all the law and orders chug zito was in that right

was in there yep yep he was there um what the one guy that does the farmers insurance was the was the not yeah yeah yeah dean winters who was ryan o'reilly does the he's the man of mayhem i mean you know i think the guy that played alvarez uh the mexican gentleman i can't remember kirk osavada thinks his name he's in one of the law and orders i mean a lot of people spawn careers off that show um this is a completely like you guys are said That's so the mob thing. Listen, you know,

I just read, that's pretty good. I, I just finished rewatching all eight seasons of entourage. Doug Ellen, Doug Ellen would be my dream guest. Who's that? He's the,

the creator. Oh, okay. I was going to say, I don't know if I ever told you this, Matt. I, uh, attended so eight seasons,

the eighth season, they had a finale, right? They had a, you know, viewing an after party. was in new york i attended that i met mark uh adrian uh e what's his name uh kevin connolly uh chuck zito was there uh uh uh what's his name uh hickory dickry doc what's his name um the comedian

you know talking hickly dickly doc the girl sucked down my oh yeah yeah um oh uh andrew dice play like literally anybody who was anybody like back then was like entourage was it and we got we went like said the second row mark we're behind mark and then uh we went to the actually after party it was insane uh what jeremy piven was a jerk uh but everybody else is pretty cool for the most part i could see him being a jerk he was jerk who was jerk which one's that who does he play the uh the agent um oh are are yeah all right but it was in what uh the the goods and also one One of, like, my favorite movies, it was really underrated, but Judgment Night.

Yeah, how are you guys seen that? Remember judgment night? No, no. Well, maybe slightly. Dennis Leary kind of played like a gang leader mob or something, but like it had Emilio Estevez, Cuba Gooding Jr., Stephen Dorf, Jeremy Piven, and they're all like going to watch this fight. Somehow I know that they get stuck in traffic. They take a wrong turn. They almost hit a guy.

The guy's being chased by Dennis Leary, who's trying to. kill him to get money. Yep. Anyways, they wind up being collateral damage. So obviously they got to take all them out and like the whole movie from that on out is basically Dennis Leary and his crew chasing everybody else. And, you know, finally eventually it was like a big face off at the end. But Piven is a one of the key characters in the whole thing.

It was his RV. Yeah, I feel like I've seen this. This was like 20 years ago or something. Oh, yeah. It's old. It's an old movie. I mean, it was when Estevez was still kind of a pretty big deal. So that'll give you a little bit of time standpoint on it.

it's it's really good i like lary in it too lary's good um you were you were at pison con pison con it was absolutely amazing you want to laugh really i wanted to go man i wanted to go you want to laugh all all these like pison guys were there my kids only cared about you ever see the movie terrifier with the crazy clowns everybody so the yeah dame million yeah so the guy Gino Trefelli, whatever his name is, he was there and he was a guy that cut off his head in the pizzeria. So not only did they get to meet him, he had a photo of him at the pizzeria as one of the shots. They signed it and they were over the moon. There was a million people there. I got geeked out by meeting Eric Roberts. That was pretty cool. Yeah, I like Eric. He's pretty cool.

Was Gianni Russo was there, wasn't he? Johnny Russo was there. So, so, so, so, so, there right and i'm this idiot he's like going around and i knew the guy who was like coordinating it i got a jersey magazine so we're like we're there as media and we're covering it so they're wearing the media hat and uh i go up to johnny and i take a photo with them right no didn't think nothing of it walk around i later find out you got to pay 50 bucks to take photos of people i didn't realize that till after like oops typically they don't charge media though because i've been to those types of things and mine was more or less with a lot of the wrestler like older wrestlers they would have those same type things those little cons or they would

call it russell kate or something and that's how a lot of those guys make their money now though and actors too you know um you have some that has a mix of both like you know what i'm gonna make a reveal for you ready i got something i got something at pison con i'm going to make an exclusive reveal on the maccox show hold on give me a second give me a second okay i got to wait for matt to come he's going to have zero appreciation for this but i know Oh boy, it's still in the plastic. I'm not going to tell you what I paid for that I will not say. So at Paizan Khan,

wow this is not amazing. That's pretty dope. Camp pink and canvas one of one got at Paizan Khan by a very reputable artist i'd be lying if i tell you if i knew he remembered his name and uh that's my that was my gift to myself at pizan con i could only imagine that was probably a pretty penny but all the three cigars j g james did you watch sopranos met that man i've watched probably i've watched like half of i probably should watch the whole thing again like damn sure should pal that's like not even just because i'm into bob shit but that tv show is awesome and it's like to me the mark of a good

tv show and i'll even put odds in this category as well so i'm not like showing favoritism to mob shit a good tv show is something that can stand the test of time and you have a rewatchability factor to it okay outside of the sopranos when you rewatch it if you take away like the computers that they're on are like gigantic they're like d lp projection TV back of the day and cell phones are like flip phones if you take away the technology of that show that they're using that show could air today and probably be just as entertaining and it is still more entertaining than half the show canceled by the woke on some of the misogynistic and like oh I'm sure it would have yeah some of that shit probably wouldn't fly today but the same thing

with eyes because I mean then you're putting everybody in a prison so you're you're introducing prison life and that show could be shown today and I think still it probably wasn't air today but you know the the show is still great that's my mark of like a good tv show is rewatchability and that can even if it's comedy you know friends has that friends has a rewatch ability wait can i ask you a question about you mind all right i was like oh my dad did i come from like the mob genre heritage in terms of my guess my show that kind of stuff right you are an up-and-coming guy in the space i think you're in the fastest growing shows Matt has such disdain and little interest with anything mob related.

It is like, it is like, like, like you and I, like, like, like, like, like, I'm here in terms of interest. Like, you're like here. Matt just. Way down. That has zero, zero. That is, but you don't know. He, if you go to some of his videos, though, like the one that me and him did when we first talking about the jean beorello joey merlino b that damn thing done numbers yeah yeah great

numbers yeah it's got yeah it's got like a hundred and yeah it's it's up there and the one you did with jean was good um yeah jean's almost at too it's like 180 or something like that jean you know i i i i like jean you've been a guest i you know i have some reservations about some of the stuff that he does i'll keep that to myself now but he does bring numbers but here's the thing it brings numbers and has nil zero interest listen he takes me today oh go listen jeans is at a hundred ninety three thousand views that's pretty good um the one we did wade is it 187 that like 21 oops but here's where matt here's where matt and i fucked up to be honest i do know a lot about the subject he has no interest i

watched it 75% had nothing to do with the mob nothing we talked about our shows burns fucking i was i when you came i told you i did you understand i don't really know anything about it like i but i should have as a good guess and being a podcaster could have angled it where i could have illuminated you could have took more like the approach and they do took when he was on the i'll give jeff credit jeff at least redirected versus him and i were just like two ADHD guys and I gave Jeff a little heads up to I was like because he actually was the one that said you think you can hook me up with Matt Cox and I was like yeah I was like if you go on there I'm just give you heads up you're going to have to lead it because he knows absolutely he doesn't claim to either but he knows absolutely is you know what I like and I recommended him the encore interview the guy that drove up a hundred twenty million dollar company and then went absolutely the shit based off us yes I need to get him I need to get well you guys are connected I believe but I think we are yeah I said me a text. the day and he was like do you have anybody i might can interview and dot dot dot that isn't a mobster i love it i mean i just have very little interest i just i don't i don't understand

it i don't understand the appeal i don't understand idolizing someone that shakes people down or forces them to pay extortion and that people think they're cool and i just like yeah you're not cool all right i don't think people think they're cool but they do fall in love with the characters that they see portrayed on film like okay here this might at least give you a little bit of a rationale not so you to agree but you may understand the godfather is like the bible of of anything anything mafia related right in terms of movies and and if you look they don't mention the word mafia it's a parable of the american success story capitalism family loyal and loyalty and trust and all of us yearn to kind of go back to those days and it just happened to be a mafia flick that was like ground

zero and since then it took off goodfellas donnie brosco i mean you name it you know yeah and that was interesting too getting a chance to talk with chris and him tell me some of the nuances that his father played in that movie like he was actually the one that you know was kind of set the stamp down I will allow you to make this movie, but you're not going to use the word mafia. Like the word mafia is not used in the godfather. Oh, I got a good guess for both of you. I got a good guess for both of you. Don Capria wrote the Colombo book with the other son who spent more time to

father because he was older and wrote the book. And there's conspiracy theory that the mob may have not killed their father. It might have been the government and or some other forces. Chris thinks the government had something to do with his father's death. Chris, yeah. Chris 100% believes that yeah but chris was like a bookie he was doing his own thing he carried the name but he was kind of like his own crew he wasn't like as affiliated as and he and he says it too he doesn't come off to say have a mob guy he had his own crew but Chris is fascinating

i mean and then the other there's another columbo who was in on the fix for that mcdonald's game the mic mic uh mic monopoly whatever fuck it was you know one of the you ever seen that matt the mcmillians no but I want I've heard I've heard about it I've watched like I've watched maybe 10 minutes of it it's great what caught my interest was there's a part in it where he's it's not the guy that's actually like taking the pieces but it is a yeah a guy that was in the mob that was finding who was going to get them and and coordinating the payments and the kickbacks he moved to charleston which is where I live and opened up a strip club yeah and got a lot of heat for it and he They were showing news clips in there.

And he's like, you know, I got, you know, yell or, you know, berated all the time about doing illegal stuff. He's like, I'm here. I'm trying to do a legitimate business. And they still won't let me do it. I'm just like, wow, this is interesting. I've never seen that. But yeah, just the McDonald's story. And it's in and of itself, it's good to watch.

Like that dude was basically taking the winnings. He figured out a, he stole a roll of seals, basically. And he was able to open up the envelope, get the winning ones out that he knew were winners, put the, S one's in there, put that seal back, and nobody ever knew that it had been open. Yep. And then you would find, you know, I see Matt Cox walking on the street. Hey, Cox, you want this, you know, a million dollar piece. I'm going to need, you know, half of it or whatever.

And what these people don't realize is, you know, that's taxed. So you're only probably getting, you know, 600,000, whatever. You wind up very little after they get their cut of it is what happened. So he would pay them money and then take a piece of it and they would be the Patsies. but to go full circle is Mark Wahlberg and Steve Levs, Steve Levinson, who is the other creator of entourage. So a lot of the

entourage guys are the guys who produced that particular documentary. Yeah. Yeah, it's good. It's worth a look if you got some time. And it's not as mobish as I know you hate the mob. It's not as mobish as you would think. What was that guy's name? The uncle something?

I can't remember what it was. You never, it was like, it was almost like that Inspector Gadget commercial. he always seen his hand or some shit you never you never saw his face did they even ever show his face at the end of it i don't think so i don't think they ever did a lot of hell you pull that off you do a damn four-part series you don't even see the guy but i don't know he had it i mean it was it was doing good and then that mob guy whoever it was he wound up dying the car right he died a car crash that kind of screwed everything up after that it was really off the real length on hell

and his wife like kind of yeah it was and it's a weird story but yeah so on another topic well Matt stole my identity yeah oh yeah tell that so I was going to talk about how you just read it when it way just went and redid all of the thumbnails on his channel you've got what another five or ten something like that it's this pretty much done I think there's maybe only one or two jean one is good and I saw the raised brow

when I saw the old brow I said He's either using Kobe, but is it Kobe? What's your guys name? I was using a Matt's guy. Oh, I don't know he's on myself. He did them. He done them all.

So are you giving a royalty to Matt or no? No, no, no. He just told me, dude, you got to do better. They suck. Yeah. I like your, you got some, your problem, biggest problem is your, uh, is the thumbnails and then he screenshoted somebody that was like, you know, I like Ways channel, but his thumbnails aren't very interesting.

Oh, no. And he commented. He's like, I tried to tell him that. And he screenshotsed the whole thing to me. He's like, you see, I'm not the only one. But so I'm like, right. And I went and read I want to go back to Matt in a second. I'll say this on every time you meet, the best Matt Cox interview of all of them. Aside one, Lex is up there. Is it Julian Dory second edition where you and Jim Diario. Oh, yeah. That was, I actually shit. Like it was, it was a funniest. I couldn't. I had to watch like three times. I love Julian as a friend. I had him on my pod. but you were just in rare form and then jim was kind of like the normal semi-normal voice of reason trying to make sense of what you're doing with the legal aspect and then he's

like pointing out where like you got fucked and you're like yeah yeah that's my face that's fine well no tom i did get i went through a situation where i guess somebody was trying to to who do me or or fuck me over financially somehow or another yeah um my wife gets home slightly earlier than I do. Typically, she checks the mail. This is good. So I come in. I look on the table. Didn't see anything. You know, I didn't think much of it. Later on that night, seven or eight o'clock, she goes to walk the dog. She comes back in. She's got the mail in her hand. And she's like, what the hell is this? And she's holding it in her hand. I'm like, well, I don't know. You're not showing it to me. And she hands it to me. And it is, it doesn't say

my name on this paper. But it is a paper from America. express with a card on it. It says, congratulations. I'm becoming an American Express card holder. Please call in to this number. You'll need your social security number to activate. And that's it. Doesn't say Wade Williamson anywhere on this damn thing. And it's a female's name, which made it, I wish to God, it could have just been a man thing. It was a female's name at the bottom. Tierra Lemons, L-E-M-O-N-S. And so I'm like, I don't know. Like, how do you even know that was supposed to be for me? it doesn't the only thing it did have on it was my address but the name was wrong or

no it just had the address like it could have been the people you know we have people just moving across the street you know they're typing they seven's next date you know they just put it in wrong i'm like just throw it away and so she questions me a little bit more and then she leaves it be this was on like a friday and i completely forgot about it monday at like 11 o'clock sends me a text she's like you need to call me now and i didn't see that text so i got a call you by yourself i'm like well no i'm at work she's like you need to get by yourself now oh no that's never that's never good yeah i'm thinking it's something with my daughter my daughter had some shit going on so you walk outside and she's like if you got something to tell me

motherfucker you better tell me she's going all like right now who the hell is tierra lemons and i'm like who is here what are you talking about i forgot about the car she calls american express oh my god he gives the number on the card and says I want to know why this card was sent to my house and he said well it's not their card they were made a user on the account and she said well the only person has this account is my husband he's like yeah that would be a Wade Williamson she said yeah that's my husband said yeah he added her as a user oh no whoa and she was like oh he did did he and he was like yes ma'am he said that was the only way he we would have sent this card out as if he added her so yeah he had

to add her as authorized use you might want to talk to him about it oh i will yeah oh yeah oh i will and so you can imagine she's not a happy camper and for four or five minutes into this conversation i really thought she was breaking balls like just messing with me and then i found out i was like are you really like serious serious because if so i'm about to call american express a if i was doing something funny this guy just dime me the fuck out yeah what happened to brocode no brocode whatsoever not in america no yes oh man this is not our department you guys might want to see some counsel no none of that he just straight up dime me out and b obviously your security isn't too good because you're just telling this woman that you don't

know is my wife that's calling up here all kind of information and so i called and i'm just i'm a little i'm like listen ma'am you don't understand like i could very well get stabbed when i go home one of your people just told my wife that i put a woman as an authorized user on a card all my i'm so sorry this happened it does show that you you authorized a tierra limit i was like wow i didn't authorize shit like i don't know what you're talking about it's always been me on this account i've had this account for 20 years long story short she's like we'll give you a new card we'll flag it is fraud and all that this just did not go over well in my home and i was about to go out of town i was about to go to new york and so of course that she's like it's mighty funny this card comes right before you're supposed to go

out of town and it's got a woman's name on it and i mean it was just on and on and i I don't know what's saying. The part Wade leaves out is he then gets a call at 2.30 in the morning from pizza. No, no, I promise you. That was, that was not in the, and the fold and she keeps going. I was like, you know, I'm going to call Matt and ask him, but she said, you think Matt did this? And I'm like, she's like, you think he did this? I'm like, no, he doesn't he might can tell me what's going on here that I did.

I called him and he's like, well, you know, they probably done it to 10 people and we're just waiting by the mail by. and you happen to grab it before they got there. And I'm just like, you know, trying to find anything that he can tell me that I can tell her to to satisfy this. And obviously, she's not letting it go. And this is like 10, 30, 11 o'clock. And are you sure there's nothing you're telling me about this Tierra Lemons? And I'm just like, son of a bitch, I'm just going to tell you this one time.

Her name is Lamont's. Get it right. And that did not go over well after a week of sleeping on the couch. You know, I had to just look. I don't know anything about this. I promise you, we're going to get to the bottom of it. But American Express still has not contacted me. They sent me a new card, but they still haven't contacted me.

We're lucky to have the great Matt Cox here. Give us your professional opinion. Like what happens? They've sent them in the mail and they take it and then call in. What's the play on that, Matt? Yeah, I think probably somebody was able to call up as Wade and had enough information to convince them to send out a card. and they were hoping to swing by, you know, they figure out it's going to be here in five to ten days.

We'll just go by that, we'll go by there randomly and check and maybe we'll get the card and then we'll just, all you got to do is, you know, you could use the spoof, the spoof app to call them back and say, hey, you know, punching the information and boom, you know, that, you know, to activate the card, now you've got a card that's activated. So at that point, they probably would have tried to change Wade's contact information, you know, like, hey, hey, contact me by phone. And then they change, if they could change the, um, do that, they could go out and use the card because even if they called, they just call Wade and they'd get the, the scammer. And he'd answer as Wade and he'd clarify everything. So it means that somebody out there has your information. That's, but it's, yeah, but it's difficult to, you know, it's didn't have enough of it.

Otherwise, they didn't know there was no room on that card. So that was really a waste of time. So we're a slightly lack on some of the information. what listen what i thought was funny i was telling jess i was like listen i wish i could remember that chick's name because i could order uh i could order flowers oh in the house in her name i said i mean i said how funny would that jess was like you've got fucking problems i like yeah but did you imagine i mean you have to i said look at it from the entertainment value of me stop thinking about wade yeah how funny that'd be to sit outside the house when those flowers came

it'd be a good show yeah it was not a good week in the in the williamson household there it's still like the car i was like you could throw that away she just keeps it laying on the table she's like maybe one day somebody will come by her for it and i'm gonna i want to have it well hold on matt the person that would do it right wouldn't they want it in their real name so they have their like their you know their license or other other other document people i mean maybe but maybe maybe they already have an id in that name oh that or even if it's in their name it's like i was an authorized user i mean it's it's wade's word against there he's responsible for it they don't even need their social security number

he could just say this is the name of the person yeah send them a card if they got an id saying they're that person they could use the card yeah and if they did happen to do it like that like that happened to be the if they would have rode by that would have been the perfect day because i just assumed my wife checked the mail and she didn't she didn't check it till later that night now we do live in a neighborhood where i think it would be easier to spot some random person pulling up multiple times to the same mailbox um but still it was just very you know what i do um because i have a business and i'll add people on i asked them to actually fed exit so it's sent via fed x i'm having the food help up that's what i do if there's a tiara lemons out there

you've caused me all kinds of grief just so you know that uh just got back to my bed Did you ever see that TikTok where the guy took a bunch of, um, he takes a bunch of, uh, hair squishies or whatever you call those hairs and throws them into cars in the, uh, yeah, the employees cars that work at the, and the, um, in the parking lot, boom, boom, boom. He's like, boy, he's like, boy, it's going to be crazy tomorrow. You know what I'm saying? Like, or the guy that said, there's another one where the guy's like, I'm bored. I'm bored. So I just ordered flowers to my name. next to our neighbor, Todd's house, you know, in the name of whatever. So then it looks like Todd accidentally sent the flowers to the wrong house and his wife gets some flowers for somewhere. There's a TikTok where the girl's like, who's is this? You just see her hand. Who's is this?

Who's is this? He's like, I don't know. She's like, no, who's is this? And they pan on her and she's bald. I'm really glad you to remember that girl's name, too, by the way. that would have not whenever well um the timing of it is just really suspicious you're going out of town oh listen get that card to somebody listen jess will go through my my uh comments but first of all it was my life was so much easier when it was 98% of my viewers were male

it's up to about 15% female yeah and and now so women will consistently leave messages and so she's you know matt you're amazing oh my god i could just listen to your voice forever like these are to me these are things that guys have said like bro i go to sleep with uh you know i'll go to sleep and leave leave uh you know leave your podcast on like i can just go to sleep with your voice like they don't mean anything by it it's like you know no homo you know but but but a woman does it man i got to hear it bro and then if they listen and then if they have a picture and then if it's like um instagram some some chick fucking hits me up on instagram and just sends me a man who is this i i don't know yeah well why she's contacting you i don't know she said you know and then they'll

say stuff that really will be like listen oh trust me i've got them where i've looked at it and i've been like oh i've got to erase that oh no no like i even if they said say something weird like some girl one time sent me something that said um um you're the one or or or you're on my list i i i do anything to meet you like oh that's got to go delete delete like i'm like oh no and you know jess will go through my shit and i'm you know sitting there laying in bed like i'm i'm relaxing for the night and it'll be like who's jennifer 600 i'm fucking knows jennifer 600 is what are you talking about well no i was 599 was really what makes it worse is when i start laughing it yeah i'll be like do you know how crazy you sound right now and she and which makes her even

matter it doesn't help no and so you know it ends up being a 20 minute of her you know pacing and oh you think it's funny you think it's funny i'm like i think it is funny i think you're crazy like do you know you're crazy like and then and she knows she's crazy because sometimes she'll do something like that and then she'll get pissed and she'll go i'm going to bed i'm going to to bed. And I'm like, all right, well, go to bed. And she'll walk off and like 10 minutes later, she'll, she'll come down stairs and she'll go, I'm sorry. And I'm like, it's okay. And she's like, I don't know what happens to me. I don't. I start laughing again. I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like, I don't know. Don't you do you know that you're, you're, she's like, you're not helping. I'm trying to apologize. Okay, go ahead. I apologize. You know. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, had to swing the fact that me go into some of these places that I've had to go through in the past to be a judge at some of these contests and everything therefore you know furthering the the channel you know that was the benefit of

it and it really was these girls have interesting conversations by highest rated video is a for actually I don't think she's former anymore she's still working is a adult film star Ryan Connor got an amazing reach shouted it out on her channel on her instagram that's got a a great number of followers i don't know what she's at they keep getting knocked down because you know they pushed the boundaries with the the pictures but i mean it was really like if i always tell people like go listen to the the podcast and it's not your generic sex talk type shit you know we actually had a really good conversation of like always am curious how people got into the business then what kept them there what's your

plans because they don't exactly have social security for these types of things what did COVID do for the business you know what is what did all doors that only fans open up and she was like really big in the 90s that she had a daughter she stopped for like 10 or 15 years and she came back by then this is like she was obviously in the milf you know category so there's like a whole another demographic for to to there and she was actually a really cool chick man I mean I enjoyed that interview it's right now it's my top jeans closing in jean's at like 73 000 and ryan's at like 76 or so so jean's gaining ground bro i i could never never interview a porn star i mean as in you're not allowed or you just

couldn't oh i i mean i'm allowed but i know the fallout from that you know i'm not i'm just not i'm not willing to accept with the listen i yeah i just i just can't i just can't it's the old adage by sex sales or sex appeal sales 100% listen i just had a video that we released um of a cat burglar yes oh yeah she she was very interesting um burglarized over 200 houses did like 10 years and uh listen and jess is like leaving as she's showing up just turns around and sat in that fucking stool right over there the entire you know and smiling and just as sweet as can be and i thought all i could think of was you need to like don't you smile at this chick don't you flirt with this chick don't, you know, you need to get.

And every time, you know, I start, I'd laugh. I like, oh, yeah, yeah, I like that. And I'd be sitting there like this. She'd go. Oh, God. I've seen her interview on, uh, I think Ian. She was on Ian's, uh, platform. I knew I remembered her from somewhere because when it popped up on, originally I thought

that was Molly Bloom. You know, Molly Bloom is? I've heard the name. I would love to interview Miley. She, there's a movie. It's called Molly's game. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And basically she was running high-end card games with some of the upper echelon of Hollywood and yeah, the Russian mob was backing a lot of it. Like, it was the games that like Ben Affleck, Leonardo DiCaprio, Toby McGuire would be at. I think if I'm not mistaken, I'm working on a show, the first show that I've ever done where I don't have a guest.

and it's about the viper room and the history of the viper and i think that in the viper she was running the games out of a room in the viper room after it wasn't up under depth control is what i heard right um yeah i i know the book came out when i was in prison and it was pat being passed around i never read it but i did see the movie yeah i watched the movie on a plane um somewhere and it was uh it was pretty good it was pretty true for me like i guess she she had a she could have named a lot of names and jammed a lot of people up and she didn't and she was able to get off well i'd say get off she i think she did do a little bit of time but you know she didn't she didn't put anybody else up under the bus i guess that's right and i'd love to she does a lot

of speaking engagement stuff now she might be a little bit too big for uh the britches of crime and entertainment but i would love to interview her at some point that would be awesome when jess first moved in we went and uh we did we were you know working out in the in the mornings right So there was a machine that was a bench press. And when I would do the bench press, you know, but it's a machine, right? It's, you know, it's bench, but it's a machine. So I would do it. And it would pinch your back.

And so you would get these little lines on your back. I remember we came home in the gym. I took a shower. I got out and, and Jess goes, what are those? I was like, what do what? She was, what's on your back? And I was like, oh, I don't know. I turned around and looked.

And I was like, and keep it. mind there's multiples of them so it's not like it's like one track it's it's multiples at slightly different angle so it looks like some chick and i was like i don't know did you do that to me and she's like no i didn't and i'm like um because she's left scratch marks but it's you know there have been bite marks and stuff so um you know i'm like oh i i don't know and she's like well that's not good enough and i'm like i don't know i said you know what i think it was, I think it was that machine at the gym, because I can feel it pinching. She's like, oh, the machine at the gym, and I start laughing.

I'm like, yeah, the machine at the gym. So what do you think? You know, and I start laughing. I'm like, what do you think I'm doing? What do you think? I, you know, that you, I moved you in so that I could have run around. What do you think? Where am I going?

When's this happening? So I start laughing and I kind of blow it off. She's irritated. I can tell she's irritated for a little bit, but she stops talking about it. Right. A week or two later. she sees them again, but she starts to put it together. And now she kind of pays attention and she realizes that fucking that it's that one bench that it is doing it.

And she now like six months later, a year later, she told me, she said, you have no idea how upset that I was. And I really didn't. I'd laughed about it. Never heard about it again. But for like weeks, she's, she's tracking me. She's stopping by the house randomly. she's looking at my phone she's you know it's like what do you what do you think's happening here like that's insanity like um but yeah i i just didn't realize like oh they're crazy they get crazy

i got i got a quick good one so i uh my wife being my wife is checking out my facebook and i don't go on facebook i just don't i go on for work to do ads but i just right that's the only reason i have it so evidently i like a girl's photo She pulls up and says, who is this? I don't know. Who is this? I don't know. Well, why did you like her photo?

I didn't like her photo, right? So thank frigging God that I have a, it has a login when you log into your Facebook, when I log in myself. My last login is to say Tuesday. The like was on a Wednesday. So I physically couldn't have liked it. So I think Facebook automatically likes things for you without you even doing it just for the algorithm. But thank God I had proof.

No, she's right here. Actually, it does. It does do that. It's not on my account. I had physical proof because you got to live and die by the sword, right? Meaning if I get you on a like, when did you log in? So luckily, I didn't know. this i didn't know this and i'm not mark a digital market i should know this that when you log in

the facebook it gives you your login and where you would think you would think and sure enough thank goodness that um i logged in prior to that i did not log in after and on that's yeah so so i here's one this is this is funny this like i wanted to talk about how i'm having problems getting guests and this is what it's turned into um so i have one uh jess so if you're friends with someone right then it'll say you know it'll it'll it'll do um oh a friend record or a friend suggestion you have you have a mutual friend so every once in while some hot chick will show up and it'll say friend request you have mutual friend she's like oh i wonder who that is click mother fucker she's like how do you know her and i'm like i don't know her really well you're friends

with her i'm like okay well keep in mind i've had that account since the since we were in we were in the halfway house and we didn't date for a long period of time and there was a time where i was basically everybody that even came in i was like you know accepted accepted accepted i was like plus i own i have a podcast so people will come she's like oh so you see this chick and you you accepted you don't even know her you don't even know her i'm like right i don't know her you know and then of course she's got to go through her whole account yeah you know then she's got so bad one day i you know and and i just laugh about it but she's like you know if it bothered you she you can go through my entire thing i don't have any guys that i don't

specifically know and if they hit on me at all i'm like i've never even talked to this chick like i don't know who this girl is i've never there's no you can look at my Instagram, my, my, my, my messenger, I've never a message this person. I'm like, you're a crazy person right now. You're being crazy. And she's like, that no, no, she's like, I would never. I would never, I'm like, let's do this. Because I don't know her, I'm not upset if I take her off my account. Would you like for me to go through my entire Facebook of, and I think it's like fucking two or three thousand people? I go, and an unfriend, every woman that I don't specifically know, Or isn't a wife of somebody or a friend of something? Would you like me to do that?

And she's like, I mean, if that's what you want to do, I don't want to make you. Well, you want to make me do it. Listen, I said, look, I'm happy to do it. Because I never go on Facebook. Yeah. And she knows it because she gets pissed off because she'll she'll post something. And she'll say, did you see my post? I'm like, what post? The post I put on Facebook. I'm like, I don't go on Facebook. And she's like, well, I posted something. And it. got like 170 likes and you're not one of them yeah okay i'll go like it if no i know no don't don't like it don't like it okay yeah sorry it's you know what you know how it is it's insanity it's insanity this one was the it was a good so it was before i was working night shift like the job i had before you know my life went completely off the the rails i was working i would work four days day shift and I'll be off for four days then I would work for nights and you you essentially

rotated that schedule so on night shift I would call ahead to this gas station that I passed every day and order a sub it was a gas station we had a subway inside of it and I would call it and I would order a sub that way it would be ready by the time I got there so I wouldn't have to wait in line you know because sometimes if the line was long I'd be late for work couldn't do that so I'd call when I left the house typically by the time I got there it was ready I'd pick it up and go. And this has been going on for a while. So we're having, you know, a bad little spout in the, uh, in the marriage.

And she's like, she's like, I need you to tell me who you're talking to every day when you leave the house. I'm like, what are you talking about? And she's like every night. She's like, it's only when you're on night shift. You don't do it in the morning. Bitch must be sleep. You only do it at nighttime and you call her as soon as you walk out the door. And I'm just like, what I'm sitting?

I'm like, I'm quiet. taking that is i'm like nervous but i'm like who do i call every time i walk out the door and i go back through my phone and in the phone it's subway right it's just not the best look either because you know that's kind of what people put pizza hut or whatever and i'm like oh i was like you know what why don't you call them why don't you go investigate this and she's like why don't you just tell me what the hell's going on i'm like it's a gas station that has a subway in it that i order food from that i only do on the four nights that i'm working night shift and so after that she kind of started laughing about and i'm like i'm not really laughing right now i'm a little terrified that yeah

you're laughing about it because a minute ago you're ready to kill me and this is all over subway you know just me eating maybe if you've done a little something in the kitchen we wouldn't be having this let me let me let me unpack this you have subway in your phone and you're the only person in the world where it's actually subway Yeah, I was it. She didn't even know that it was in the phone of subway. She would just, she was seeing that it was called every day almost as soon as I left the house, which was what I would do because I'd had a time to where when I left, if I called and right then by the time I got there, they would finally, you know, have it ready and I could just go in pay and and go. And so when I was going back through, I'm like, that was the day. I went to the day before. And I'm not thinking, it's not registering that subway is what she's talking about. And then finally I'm like, oh. that's what she's talking about. And so at that point, I'm just like, I'll give you the number. You call them.

You know, you call, you call, see, go investigate it. This will be funny. But yeah, it was actually subway. And I don't, here's what I, what kills me is as many times as I've had the accusations. And it's been like, and you're like, well, let me go ahead and show you what this is. And then she sees it and she's like, oh, uh, okay. It's like, look, like if it was once, if I was wrong once, I'd be like, okay, well, doesn't mean I'm always going to be wrong. But if I was wrong once.

and then twice and then three times and then four times then five times and then six i'm like how many times do you have to be shown that this is in your head for you to realize i need to stop with this that's and like when i went to new york she's like you know you didn't get into three in the morning what which i did get in late we were out fairly late but i was like you only tell you what i got out of that night subway yeah i said i got a podcast out of it so i actually met jean jean was in new york um i didn't know he was in new york he put up a post of saying like eating chinese food manhattan and i hit him up i like you're in the city and he's like yeah i'm like me too so we get together that night and one of my buddies that i had on um that had been in jail for 22

years for something he didn't do his name was andre brown he was already coming over to meet me so we all hung out at the hotel turns out they knew each other and tom you may know this lawyer um a little bit better than Matt but I want to say his name was Tom too he was tied him with the bananas he got caught up in something that was going on he got disbarred he was I guess key and Benny Gore just going to jail yeah I know um I don't know the less I know you're talking about though yeah I think his name was Tom or Eric or something something along those lines Tommy Tommy Tommy um I don't remember the last thing but anyways that was the lawyer that Andre had um you know jean knew them obviously so they was they kind of hit it off they shared those

stories they went to a lot of the same prisons and knew a lot of people in the prisons and and all of that but we hung out then we went to a nightclub up there and we somehow another got into a conversation i don't even remember how it started but it was with a group of girls and they were saying that i'd done a podcast and the girl was like oh i got a story for you and i'm like well a lot of people said they got a story you know as an interest she's like i got to turn myself in the federal prison in like 72 hours and I'm like why we got my attention you can keep talking and yeah she had to turn this was like Saturday night Tuesday she had to turn herself in to prison so I'm like what are you doing Monday she's like nothing I'm like all right we'll do

the podcast Monday so we did it Monday and I put it out I think like Tuesday or Wednesday but I told I'm like that's what I'm looking for when I don't care where I'm at you know if I go I'm looking for a story I'm looking for something to put on the show I'm not looking for anything else that's what I'm looking for and it actually was a good podcast the 25th hour i think i know what you call it man 25th hour podcast and the occasional foot long yeah yeah the occasional foot long meatball marinerer that was a great movie the 25th hour it was we did ed ed ed ed edward norton yeah and berry pepper i love that speech he gives oh i was not to say i've always wanted to find like a poster that's that got all that shit

and it'd probably be a lot to read but it was it was really cool i like ever norton uh that was one of his better movies but he kind of hadn't really been doing much lately no i mean i always wonder what happens to those guys i i feel like i know exactly how it works now because i've watched all set all eight seasons of entourage so i know exactly how the movie industry works now i got it i got it down what i understand he was not an easy person to work with um he was notoriously i guess uh difficult to get along with is some of could have been what led to some of that i mean like his american history x movie that he did that was phenomenal um it was another one he did that was really i liked him in the

rounders rounders was good i liked him in the score with robert de nero where he played like the kid that had something wrong with him or whatever but really he was casing the joint out the whole time ever said oh yeah that yeah of course i that's the other score yeah it's he was really good at that so um god that was a great mess that's a great mess it's great that's one of those ones at the very end of the movie where you're like man and he said yeah he's like uh he's like what does he says he said um you start thinking you were smarter than me yeah exactly he's like oh you know what i got you know what i got what do you got do you sure you know what you got and he's like yeah and he opens it up he's like all right now hey wait a minute now

let's talk about this no what'd you say tough screw you you know it was a great movie great movie I think it was one of Brando's last movies, too. Marlon Brando was in that movie. He was one of his last one before he passed away. Did you ever see the movie? The, uh, is it, I think it is called the heist with. Yeah, well, Gene Hagman. That's a great movie.

Love that one. I was actually sitting there thinking about that. When you said that, I was thinking about the, the ice and the good, but I don't know if a lot of people like are hip to that movie, but it was good. Had DeVito in it. Um, and then at the end, like they had the gold painted like black or something. we got it right because he wrapped in the truck against something yeah it looked like uh like it was you know just iron pipes raw iron pipes or something and it was actually that's where the gold was

yeah um yeah because you never really know because you see them making the gold yeah you see making the pipe so you think oh it's on the boat that's yeah um oh man what was i going to tell you shoot uh yeah i love that where the guy shoot i forget what the name of that the black actor is the a tall black guy that's part of his crew he's a great actor in that movie in the high yeah where he says to what is the guy it's not anyway he says to this one actor he looks at him and he says uh um like like they're putting up cones they've got they got cones up and they got hard like they're really dressing it up to just to sit on the side of the road he's like what's with all this stuff and he's like i mean why don't we just do this and he's like well he's like well

he's like you know just in case he's like for what he's like just in case and he's like for what and he goes and he says look he said you ever uh you ever run around on your girl and he goes yeah yeah of course of course he said you ever um you ever call a buddy for an out to be your alibi and he goes yeah yeah of course he goes and then you come home and your girl doesn't think even think you did anything wrong and she never asked where you were and she doesn't call your buddy he's like yeah of course he said was it a waste of time setting up the alibi and he goes no no he said right is basically like subterfuge is never a waste of time even if it's unnecessary yeah so it's a great it's a horrible segue in the conversations we were just talking about it is but i'm not

but i'm not really you two are you know my wife's on a boat right now so delroy lindo i think is the guy you're referred to oh yeah yeah he's good yeah my favorite one was they were talking about is your guy cool he's like my motherfucker's so cool when he goes to sleep sheep count him so question pivot a little bit and you guys uh basketball fans nick fans or basketball fans at all i watch it when it gets down like very very low like to the you know maybe four teams left or something like there's so many damn games in there i'm like spoiled by football because like every game when it gets down to the playoffs and football like every game matters well so i'm always glued to that in basketball you know if i missed the first two or three i still get to watch the fourth one

even if they get the um the nicks uh the nick six year series was insane there were two games aside it won six points in like less than two seconds and the other one tied up in the last minute when overtime the series was insane between the nix and the six and it was and the money that was bet on that was crazy because I remember that first game it like people won on the under by like a half a point and had that shot counted that he just kind of lofted up from half court when the game was over if they would have hit it would have costed Vegas I think a lot of money or something like that guy got like bumped fouled and was supposed to kind of like just whatever shot got it in and then hit the free throw it was insane it was like like a like a unlike the event and then it went to overtime but nix wind up winning anyway which is good be a series that that's probably one of the cooler interviews that i've ever done because i've seen the uh the documentary on netflix bad sport oh yeah i don't know if you guys have seen that yeah and then i reached out to the guy that was pretty much the mastermind of fixing about four

games um in the Arizona state college basketball uh arena and so he was um it was a campus bookie there uh named Benny Silman and he was you know taking beds obviously and Gagliano Joe Gagliano uh to my knowledge not mob affiliated um was basically beating his brains in because his lines were not accurate but the uneducated better as we're losing. So he tells them, look, I'm killing it here with these kids, but you're taking everything. I'm winning. I got to cut you off. And, but they remain friends. And one of the guys on the campus gets indebted to him like almost 20 grand. And his name is Steven Headache Smith. He is at the time the top basketball player in the country,

hands down. There's nobody better. He is the guy. That was back where they weren't necessarily conserving energy as much like they would play the full game. And he tells him, he's like I got a he calls him and he basically breaks it down and he's like look I got him for 20 grand we're going to agree if he'll come on board we'll wipe his debt we'll pay him 20 grand he doesn't have to lose the game just not cover the spread and they did it they did too it went off without a hitch and according to joe um everything was good I don't know how much time had passed those two games flew under the radar because they were right around the time the Super Bowl was being played so so much money was on the Super Bowl, everybody kind of ignored college basketball at that point. Super Bowl was over. So that's a lot of betting is now deceased because a lot of people only do football. Um, now more of attention is being paid to this money that's being met. Headache calls Joe and wants to bet like 20,000 on himself against LSU. And he's like, you know, worst case, he'd already made, you know, however much more, God knows how much money.

So he's like worst case scenario, if he loses, I know I got him from. a third game best case scenario he wins and i see a good basketball game so he says he goes to he flies there goes to the game and it was like i want to say the spread was like five and a half they were down by six or something like that the game is essentially over but they do have like two seconds left people are starting to walk on to the court and headaches like yelling for the ball like give me the fucking ball dribbles down and he goes to pull up this three had he made it they would have covered the spread so he'd have won it rims out goes in rims out so now he's on the hook for 20 grand they have to do a third game they

pull that one off everybody makes a ton of money by this time they brought somebody else on the team in other people started hearing about and getting hip to it apparently another like drug dealer type of guy with a shady background found out he was wanting in on it and the fourth game that they were going to do there was so much money placed on that game that the secret service come into the locker room at halftime i was like we don't know exactly what's going on but we know something's going on and if you guys don't play up to your full potential there will be an investigation and they went out and pretty much obliterated the other team and everybody lost but he he had it set up man him his buddies his dad they would all just go to these different casinos

all day long so it wouldn't be like one huge bet at one spot you know 25 000 here go to the next casino 25 000 here go to the next casino 25 000 all you know up and down the whole damn strip and they did eventually get busted but it was like a year after and headache got busted they eventually got joe and he went to jail but he's he doesn't necessarily do one he's kind of created a podcast somebody else runs it for him but i had him come on and i mean it was a very interesting so i would have gotten sucked into that so bad had i been in that circle like i would have been right there along with him i'll go in a minute i would I would have been right there because it's it's guarantee it was guaranteed they just got too many

people involved that's usually the downfall so this just reminded me of uh jory joey merlinos is it miss marliners merlinos jerry merlino yeah joey merlino's podcast talking about sports so i'm wondering what's does anybody what's going on with with his podcast is he still doing YouTube or yeah they're on they're on YouTube for teasers and they're driving everybody over to their patreon account so they have like a $15 subscription and it looks like it seems to be going pretty well for them they're kind of doing the teasers a little bit of a juice a little bit of tea he called out John Gotti Jr. for being a rat these kind of people on both sides of defense on that and that seemed to serve a little controversy recently yeah and he had Pete Rose on too though

that was a good that was a that was a bangor yeah i i enjoyed that one because pete obviously kind of around that same situations with the gambling and them banning him from the the hall of fames you know because they should let pete in there because all that shit is going on now with what the i don't really follow baseball but otani everything's going on with him yeah that's crazy yeah i mean as long as you're not jeopardizing yourself with the the sport i mean if you're not losing on purpose i don't you know that that like what the ref did uh donahue that i think deserved punishment for sure but if you're betting on yourself boxers can do it Floyd mayweather does it he bets on himself all the time well right so ian garcia got six to

one on his own uh on his own um boxing match and i think he put out two million to win 10 or something like that hell yeah good for him what you're saying that oh i was just wondering what their what their patreon was up to i don't know the the numbers on there i'll give i'll give a little hack so if you're not signed up you can see the number of likes and generally if you're in patreon within there then they're like kind of their system if you will more than likely probably about 50 to 70% are going to like the latest video or on average So if they have, let's say, 500 likes, they probably have about 800 subscribers to the Patreon. And many times it by 15, and that's probably what they're making.

Yeah, but you can see what they're making. Some, some Patrions list the number of subscribers. I don't think there's those. Oh, okay. Just curious. I was going to say, okay, just wondering. I do know, I did hear that one that he did on Gotti Jr., basically the paper. which was not later like uncovering a secret i mean people had knew that he had talked um not

necessarily directly put people in jail but did have a conversation with them um you know what did what did you take away from that tom a load of question so he claims it was a legal strategy which it was right so he kind of gave him a whole bunch of bogus information information that was either public etc where it gets little dicey there were two guys that did get kind of tripped up uh joe watson danny merino so again it's really in the mobosphere that you and i are in it's a little controversial because there's a side of game bullshit information and it was you know it didn't matter then he got the side of well he sat down with the government didn't matter there was two guys individually that may accidentally or serendipitously got tripped

up um i personally believe the government said hey here's a 302 this guy's going to testify against you as a bluff i don't think he was ever going to testify i always say right i was on angel's show i like angel in my personal opinion i am not a street guy i am regular you know poor kids to me i'm not justified to call anybody a rat that's just me right now in that world if you sit down with the government i can see why some street guys will see it that way yeah uh this is dicey for me i mean you know the government and if you can outsmart them by giving them bogus information or information that leads nowhere you know i don't see too much of an issue with it um now if you put 80 some odd plus people in jail like you know so people and yeah that's that's a little different and

there's a there's an episode in sopranos it's towards the end of the season it's when tony and polly have to actually go on the run um because they're digging up a body that'll allegedly was Tony's first hit in the series. And so they're kind of flashing back to it. And they say that Larry Verisi is talking to the feds. Larry Burisi is played by Tony Darrow, who is, if anybody's ever seen Goodfellas, was the guy that Joe Pesci hit in the face with the bottle in the restaurant scene. And he's been in a ton of other stuff too.

And, um, shit, what the hell was I talking about? Well, real quick, Tony Dyer in real life got jammed up. he did get jammed up he knew a few wise guys and somebody either or the money or disrespect him or somebody he called some wise guys to tune the guy up they tuned the guy up they made the connection caught on the wiretap or something else and he got he done a piece of pretty much pretty jam and so so give you kind of like i'll give you my perspective right in the 90s in a jersey right if you knew somebody and you had an issue it wasn't a big deal to call somebody connected they would not kill him but tune the guy up

not a big deal like like any any other day of the week to be honest right if you if you were in that world but the fact that it was i guess an actor and they really kind of threw the book at him and i think you got a few years from it but yeah tony jrard got jammed up by a simple calling a wise guy and tuning somebody up that he knew and that's what it was i remember and i kind of lost my train and thought there but in the in the show they say that uh his character is talking to the feds or whatever and he gives them the name of somebody actually i think it was jacky appreel in the show which jacky had died from years ago so he's like yeah i know who committed the murder is jacky appreel he's buried under this house you can find him there obviously that's not going

to do the government any good because the guy he gave was dead so in those aspects did he sit down did he talked to the government yeah he did that maybe shave some time off like you know i'll tell you where this body is if i can you know walk or what and then he tells him it's somebody that's dead you know is that considered ratting no i consider that smart business well i i once i once asked uh and this guy was from the other side it's from sicily um may or may not have been connected but just just i wanted to kind of get an understanding of the true the words called emerita right so what is it what does it really mean like what's a real old school sicilian mafosa definition so it

so i'll give an example if waive negotiates a reduction of sentence and meets with law enforcement behind closed doors even with his attorney and reduces the sentence that meeting with law enforcement in any way is breaking omerta so basically if you go by the old school definition you were to not uh allocute you're not say you know omit the mob you're not to meet with law enforcement for a sentence reduction you're not to meet with prosecutors you're not to meet FBI and a side chat the kind of little quip pro pro pro none of it so if you kind of go the old school kind of way and you're not also you know also not spoke to the media as well yeah and that that was like a big deal in sopranos and johnny sack took his um his deal was the

allocution and that's like the whole thing never admit to the existence of our thing that's why you know it was a big deal john got he never wanted to anybody take plea deals because they've been taking a plea deal was something some existence of that life so he was totally against anybody that's related to the john junior thing and it's kind of separate but related danny marion because he went to his father right and asked him yeah he yeah and uh so when danny marino took a plea deal he like five million dollars he did a few years not many uh and he allocuted which at his level doesn't happen but some people believe It was a 302s from juniors that prompted him to do so.

Gerald Shargell was his lawyer, who was obviously the previous mob lawyer for other, other guys. I think even a John Jr. lawyer. And he's in the past, but just my research and people that I spoke to, people felt Danny Marino may have allocated and took a favorable deal for him partially because of the John Jr. thing. To give a little better context. And Danny Reno was stripped up with like seven other guys. and like one of the guys was driving like Russian strippers to the mobbed up strip clubs and there was like a sex trafficking component right not the Indian Marino but the one guy

that was in on it what do they call you guys a ham sandwich or whatever it is so they kind of put the tallies down on everybody and Danny had nothing to do with it as well as it was a little bit of an embarrassment what kind of the made guys that were in on that and the matter is some believe some believe that junior's testimony may have contributed to his allocution it's quite possible let's see what's that's the same that can indict a ham sandwich i don't i didn't even know when i got indicted i never knew like it was like a long time before that actually happened and then i was talking to my lawyer one day and i'm like i'm not even indicted yet him and he's like oh yeah i'm like

I missed that email I didn't even know it's like not a big deal he's like you were going to get indicted anyway like it's not a big deal like I was expecting that easy to say yeah he's not been indicted yeah you were expecting that I wasn't I guess I mean in the grand scheme of things the more I've kind of learned and and research the legal system it you know it is not a shocking thing I mean if they don't even if they don't indict you can still be charged I know that's rare it's pretty much saying they have no case but like when you get when your stuff goes in front of the grand jury like I wasn't allowed to be there my lawyer's not allowed to be there you just hear the state side of it it's really an unfair screwed up policy situation of how that whole thing happens anyway so if they hear everything from the state side and still choose not to indict you then that's really saying that you really got no case here but they can still choose to go forward with it. they want well i mean i'm i'm not going to sit here and listen to you say that the justice system is unfair oh yes you will i mean that's i've never even heard that so but hey listen um

it's it uh let's let's let's wrap this up we need some we need guests for remote yes i need yes mac cox needs i'm gonna go i'm gonna go to the well give me 48 hours and you will have plenty of guests. All right, cool, cool, definitely. I'm not at that level of doing four a week. I would be able to do that right. I'm doing four a month and at best. But you guys have full-time jobs.

Yeah. Yeah. Listen, my Patreon is starting to pay off. I'm not Patreon. What am I saying? Patreon is not paying off. TikTok. Wow.

TikTok. Like we're making money on TikTok that's in shock how many followers do you have in the we've gotten 20,000 more followers in the last probably two weeks well wait no it was it was like 38,000 like for some reason mine hasn't jumped up like it's probably like other people you see they're like oh it's been six months and they've got 180 000 followers yeah i got 52 000 followers but it was at like 30 36 about weeks ago but like i said we've had several videos that have just gotten like you know 5.7 million you know 3.2 million 1.7 million like so it for like three four months it wasn't doing

anything yeah every video we're putting and we're putting up a video a day it's getting 800 wow 1100 700 it was like Jesus that went on for months then it slowly was like 2 200 4 000 listen and then within like a month so that went on for three four months months then in the last two last three months it has just been through not not all of them but for me I mean it's like it was a dramatic change now are you doing videos under a minute because I think that was you that told me TikTok is now pushing stuff over over a minute so all of ours now is like a minute and a half two minutes that's what I did on the last because I took a break for a little bit from the shorts between doing all the thumbnails and everything I just I didn't have fucking time I was

tired but when I done a lot of the clips from jean's second episode i clipped out 60 second ones for youtube and then like a minute 20 to two to three minutes for tic talk and instagram and facebook right so it's double my workload still but i went to that just to try to give a little bit more you know on there since that's what they're kind of asking so about quick quick tic talk story so my daughter she's now three when she was about eight months old my wife said up a tic-tok but She went kind of a mommy and me type account. She did this little thing that, do, do, do, do, do.

This is a little, like, stupid thing with music and, like, touching her belly, getting her smile, and it got 15 million views. My daughter has a hundred and three thousand followers in her account. My wife got weirded out and made it private and stopped posting because people were claiming that was our daughter. People were like saying some really weird random shit. We have that many views. Like there was like duets with like that's my daughter and like it got kind of weird.

So my wife pulled the account and it's it's there, but it's private with a hundred three thousand followers. I'll be somebody's daughter with a hundred. I was good. I just roll that over. I'd start like the TikTok I have right now. We were posting on it. And then I'd stop posting on it. And it had like when we started.

it had like 11,000 followers. And we just started posting the stuff from my channel on it. Like I'd take that 115,000 start posting your stuff on it. I'm right. Well, I was thinking of maybe taking it over, but then the only thing is it's like a kid account. So you never know. I do have another account that we should collab on.

We'll talk this week. And there's about 94,000 followers. It's more of a media channel, but if you have something related, I could post it. So you can't collab on TikTok, but I could post it. i could post something on mine and then put you at and then you might get some followers that way about 95 000 followers in that account i'll do it i'll take all the followers i can get here all right let's wrap it up what do you guys want to you guys i know wayd doesn't want to put this on his oh if anybody cares it's new new theory podcast i'm at 48 000 subs i want to get

to 100 first want to get to 50 and then i want to get to 100 and then i want to get to 100 and then i want to be cool like matt and maybe get to 200 and uh that's my youtube uh you know journey goal yeah journey i'm just trying to hit 10 000 that's that's all i'm trying you're what what are you now i'm at 8.9 i think it is 8.9 so i'm not i'm not far away i did just hit the um one million view milestone i think about two weeks ago and that's that's not bad considering i only do one a week i don't do lives or anything like that and i recently just started doing shorts like not too long ago i know that's really helped the views but i will say this though i started off in the mob

before first i did business and then it a mob genre for a few years and uh i pivoted to back the business my numbers drop like a stone but i'm doing content that i love i'm going to get mad on soon and i'm going to get weighed on soon and with that guys i'm out i got a 740 and uh thank you so much for having me all right please love crabman and same time chow guys hey you guys i appreciate you watching do me favor if you like the video hit the subscribe button hit the bell so you get notified a video just like this please share the video please leave me a comment in the comment section i really do appreciate it and please consider joining my patreon see you