Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Con Man Reacts to His Dateline Interview & War Dogs Movie Lawsuit | Matthew Cox Podcast

Episode Date: July 16, 2023

Con Man Reacts to His Dateline Interview & War Dogs Movie Lawsuit | Matthew Cox Podcast

All right, we've got Matthew Cox back in here. Thank you for making the trip down. What, Matt? What now? Nothing's awesome. Thank you. So what's new? I mean, nothing. Other than you being back with your girl. Oh, yeah. Wow. That's, you know, who knows how long that I'll live.

I told you they were going to get back. Remember I told you that they broke up? Oh, bro. It was all brokenhearted. It was pathetic. And how many views did you get on that video? I did a video like, yeah, yeah, yeah. About your heart broke and everything. I don't know how many it got. But remember you were telling me it was like it was really one of the most popular ones at the time? Oh, it did pretty well for a few days.

Yeah, it's still, I don't know what it got, four, five, six thousand views, something like that. It doesn't, you know. And who told you on the phone when I was on the treadmill that you would be back with her? Who told you? Everybody told me that it wasn't over. Everybody. Forget them. But who told you?

You said, don't worry, she'll come back around. Did you just admit for once that I was right about something? I mean, you were right. But listen, the fact that matter is, is, I mean, to be honest, just you looked at me and you knew, come on, bro, she's going to come back. Look at you. I mean, you're amazing. So, and I, you know, and I get it. I told her that when she came back.

I said, I mean, look, let's face it, you know, you're fighting. You're fighting. There's an overwhelming attraction. You can't fight. I know that and she just Hey Rob, did your balls just drop? He admitted that I was right about something for once. This is the first time in a couple of years.

Matt, say it again, was Tommy right? I mean, Tommy was right as well were many other people. He just can't fucking say Tommy, you were right. You were right, Tommy. You were right. Listen, listen, two weeks from now, she's going to, she might show back up. She does this every month or every two or three months. It's not going to work.

It's, I just, I don't think it's going to happen. And then I did the video about her. She got all upset about the video. I think it's going to- People hate me. I think it's going to be like quarterly taxes, right? So like every time you've got to pay quarterly taxes, she'll be gone and then she'll be back. She comes and goes.

But then you have a video to make every three months. All right. So you were when you were doing all the fraud stuff and then you were in jail, one of the people that had come to the jail was daylight. Yeah. You went on Dateline and were interviewed by Keith Morrison, who everybody loves Keith Morrison, except for you. That's the guy with the gray hair, like gray white hair. Pull that up with Keith Morrison. He is a legend.

I love his voice. It's like your grandfather reading the story, he booked to you at bedtime. He was. So what was the problem with Keith Morrison on Dateline? The whole thing was just manipulative. You know, he just, he kept asking the questions over and over again. What the same? That's him.

Yeah, that's him right there. That's him. Yeah. that's her boy right there well i love him how can you hate him he looks like an old grandpa was going to read you a oh he listen he you know what's funny is he talks like that like in person you know and i started laughing like as soon as he started talking i go oh my god i go you really sound like that you really talk i thought it was like a like a like a stick you know i thought you were just playing a part and and he was like no no this is and i look over at the camera guys

are laughing because i was laughing so Yeah, he just, you know, he went on, he just, he, like, they had an agenda. You know, and the agenda was that I was a womanizer that was getting women to fall in love with me. Like I was a Don Juan, getting women to fall in love with me, and then forcing them to commit fraud, then I'd take the money and leave. I'd say, come on, bro. That's how they portrayed it to be. Of course, they'd already done an episode with one of the chicks that got caught. that I had been dating.

So that was her whole thing, was like, I was in love with them, and I didn't want to commit fraud, you know, but it seemed like I had to. And it was just like, what? So then when they came into, they came to interview me, I got caught after the program aired, the first one. So they come back and they say, we'd like to interview him and then splice it together with what we already have because now we get two one-hour specials just for another interview. Oh, so they broke yours into two.

Right. So there was one with her and then there's one with me. So then they, but mine is based on hers. Like they already have the story they're sticking with. Look, not that I'm not saying I'm not a scumbag. I mean, I'm absolutely a scumbag. But it's like saying, it's like, do you have to make it worse? Like, do you have, they had to put a spin on it.

You can't say, hey, this guy's going around defrauding banks. Like that's like, eh, no big deal. But they said, no, wait, how can we make it worse? Let's say that he's, he's luring these women in. And he's a Don Juan. He's convincing them to commit fraud. Bro, I'm five foot six. I was five foot six and about 20 pounds overweight, soft as cotton, not a Don Juan.

I mean, what are you doing, bro? What are you doing? Just go with what happened. So he keeps asking the questions over and over again. Like the same question? Yeah, he would go like that. And I didn't realize, like, I don't know what editing is. I don't realize how they can cut it up.

So this is in 2007. So I'm sitting there. And he's like, you hurt. a lot of people and I went well no I didn't I didn't hurt anyone and he goes I mean I I financially inconvenienced some people like like like like there were people that ended up having to like went out and got an attorney because I rented their house and borrowed money on their house and and the property was being foreclosed on so they got an attorney and the attorney contacted the bank and explained that there was a identity theft or that it was you know whatever

the situation was and and I was like so I didn't I didn't hurt anybody physically and he goes, you hurt a lot of people. And I went, bro, I didn't hurt anybody. And he goes, you hurt a lot of people. And I go, you know, you seem to be, so now I'm irritated. I go, you seem to be hung up on the word hurt. So, yeah, I hurt a lot of people. You said that back to him.

Right. So now when it comes out, it's one take. You hurt a lot of people. And I go, yeah, I hurt a lot of people. But did they put that in? Of course, that's what they put in. So I look like a psychopath. I'm like, I mean, and this was constantly, like he would say something and I would respond.

And then he'd say it a little bit differently. I'd respond. He'd say it a little bit different. I'd respond. They'd clip it together so that he'd say something and you'd see me laugh. When I didn't laugh, they'd clip back to him making a face. And then they'd have my response, which wasn't even the response to the same question, which came off extremely arrogant and rude.

Not that I'm not arrogant and rude. I don't have a problem if you say, you're an arrogant, rude narcissist and I'm behaving in that way, if that's what really happened. And that happens all the time. Like, I'll give you enough material to bury me. But he came in with an agenda,

you know, and everybody, and, you know, it's like, like, oh, he's a, he's a journalist. This guy had a story he wanted to place me into. So now what? Did he have like a pen and paper there? No. No.

Did he have a prompt? No, he had nothing. He's just asking me. I mean, he had like some notes, but we were sitting in the chapel of the Atlanta City detention center. And I was in the Marshall holdover because you can't get cameras into a federal prison. I wasn't in federal custody or I wasn't in the Bureau of Prisons custody yet. I was in the Marshall's holdover. The Marshall will let cameras in.

So he was able to. to come in and with a bunch of video people and video me. Yeah, type in, see if you can find his dayline. We had him up before we started, but. Yeah, you can see the... Do you remember the name? Oh, it's right there, actually. Right, yeah, but you...

No. That's not it? Well, no, no, that may be it. Yeah, by Keith Morrison. But he... Let's see what they said. Did you ever read this? Oh, I've read it.

It's horrible. What's it say, Rob? It's probably, this is probably what aired on TV, so this will probably be like the whole story and with the... Yeah, just a little bit of it. Right, but you can't watch the video for some weeks. Like, I've tried to get the video, and I can't get it.

I can't find it on the Internet. Hmm. I have my, the American Greed I was on, that I can find. Yeah, yeah, not, they, I haven't seen this one. I'd love to see this one. I got... This is, this is worse than American Greed. I think they got, doesn't Dateline have now, like, on one of the streaming services?

Yeah, they're on Hulu. Peacock, yeah. You can probably watch it on there. Yeah, so it's called Fraud by the Bull. I'd like it. I'd love to see it. Like I saw it one time in the Marshall's Holder with like 75 or 100 other guys. Yeah. And, you know, they're all sitting around me and they're watching it. It's just like, you know. Yeah. So anybody watching this, if you can find it, put it in the comments. I'll try to find it too. It doesn't look like him. That's him?

Well, I've had multiple classic surgery. I've had my nose job. I had hair implants. I've had liposuction. I had a mini facelift. So we'll go to his, America Most Wanted pitcher. So now when you were, how long were you on America's Most Wanted? Look at my nose there. Look how round it is. I mean, all the pictures, it's round, and now it's not round. That's the, but, Rob, I had texted you the one of the America, the America's Most Wanted, that one right there. Right.

That's not America's Most One. I mean, it's not a, it's just a wanted poster. I mean, oh, that's not, it's a Secret Service is wanted posted, yeah. Okay. So now, how long was that type of poster? are up and around and all over the place. About two, three years. Wow, really?

Two and a half years. And Rebecca, right, Holt, that was the other one? Yeah, that's the girl. Halk. Halk. How? And when you did Keith Morrison, it was her and then you. Right.

They got her whining and crying. Yeah, yeah. Then they bring you in, and they already have their mind made up of who you are and what you did. Right. Which, of course, law enforcement, nobody's, like, nobody's helping me out. Not there was any reason to help me on. I mean, I'm, you know, I'm committing crime. But I'm saying, in general, it's like,

you know you rob a bank and instead of saying you know you walk up and you say give me all the money and it's like okay then law enforcement shows up and law enforcement talks to everybody and then they come out and they do they do a press release and they say you know he threatened to kill the person he he threatened multiple you know people he terrified everyone he it's like bro nobody even knew I was in the bank I walked up I said give me all the money they gave me the money I walked out none of the customers knew anything but by the time they get done with it it's 10 times as bad and you're like whoa look I'm not saying I didn't rob the bank I'm saying why are you going why are you now lying yeah why are you embellishing on what happened like what I did is bad enough

it's never and and the punishments are outrageous I got 26 years 26 years for filling out some paperwork I mean I'm not saying I shouldn't have gone to prison I'm not saying I shouldn't have a lot of time and that I'm innocent but 26 years yeah it's a little aggressive. Bro, didn't you see some guy the other day that fucking killed, Rob was talking about some guy that fucking killed a guy,

chopped them up, set him on fire and fucking... 30 to possible 60, but he could be up by 30. So he got... He popped up his dad and threw him in a fire. So we got 30 to 60. He'll get good time.

Yeah. So, was it, and that was state, Rob? Yeah, that's Pennsylvania. Oh, yeah. Pennsylvania State, yeah. Okay. So... Pennsylvania has a...

Parole. Parole? Yeah. See if you can pull that up. Just. Let me find it real quick. Yeah, go ahead. So in Pennsylvania, if he got 30 to 60, he'll get good time.

It all depends. It depends on how many classes you take and whatever. And then he'll go in front at the 30-year mark, maybe even the 28-year mark, he'll go in front of the parole board. And there'll be like three people. And they'll ask questions like, you know, why should we let you back out? What have you done to change? Or look at the classes he's taken. and he could possibly get out in 28 years.

There it is. Man pleads guilty and dad's slaying dismemberment. Wow. William Morse, 30 years. Oh, I thought he's old and he's 30 only, so he's a few years younger. What does it say 30 to 60? I saw it. Yeah, so he goes and kills somebody, and he's got a shot of getting out in probably 28.

Oh, in Florida, there's people getting, you know, premeditated murder, and they're getting 15 and 20 years. Back up, right there says it. It says, what's his name? Well, sentenced Morse to agreed upon a sentence between 30 and 60 years in prison. No, 30 and 60, what do you go? Well, I'm looking down at the bottom. No, up here, it's 20 to 40 years.

Jeez, that's even worse. 20 to 40 years on the murder charge to be followed. Yeah, that's where the same. Oh, an additional 10 to 20. Right, so if you read down, he got 30 to 60 with an $80,000 fine. That's that, and then Rob, if you look down, a little bit the judge was va right there and he got 30 to 60 years in prison with an 80

he only got 80 thousand dollars in restitution and and he got 562 days time served chopped up his dad and threw him in a campfire so now to your comparison which makes a lot of fucking sense this guy chops his dad up and wax him out he could get out in 28 years 27 years you did a little bit more than signed paperwork, but the comparison is apples to orange. Well, there's, actually, that seems like a reasonable sentence for a murder, like to me, but, but I mean, I know, I mean, I have guys who, you know, we're talking about, they get like 15 years, 20 years. It's premeditated murder. Right. So, like, I agree with you. It's, it's a reasonable sentence to murder, but compared to what they have, they gave you. Oh, yeah. You with your 26 versus this guy who chopped his dad up and

killed him. Yeah, I shouldn't have gotten. Yeah, 26 is that. What do you think you should have got? I honestly think I should probably should have got about 10 years. That's what I think too. I think 10 with the restitution. Yeah, 10 restitution and then I have, you know, with gain time, with a year off the door, you know, I could have been out in seven. Yeah, halfway house for a year maybe.

Right, right. But, you know, that's not what happened. You don't get to pick your sentence in. It's what is. But just the comparison of how interesting the guidelines are that a guy chops up his dad and puts him in a trash can and a guy just rips everybody off to the end of day and plays with the feds while he's on the run too i didn't rip who did i rip off well if you buy if you buy two houses that i ripped off a bunch of banks okay i mean it's you know you say

people immediately think of some 90 year old uh um retired woman like i stole her per pin you know that's just what that's what people think you know you can thank for that bernard agreed oh yeah yeah but they buried you and i said this on the other podcast it was real fucked up how they did that because I know you and I know how you, you know, talk about your son and some other things. And that American greed on that one, they portrayed it like you

made Rebecca leave her child. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there was a good five minutes just about you making her leave, and then they would go back to like something that you did. Then back to her crying about the kid, yeah, you know. Well, the whole, the whole purpose

of that program is to just bash the living crap. And it's hard to defend yourself, because it's like I've said this before, it's like, if I stand up and say, this didn't happen and that didn't happen, that's not true, that's, you're arguing like, you know, it's the equivalent of saying, I didn't rob, you know, 14 banks, I only robbed 12. Yeah. Well, you're still a scumbag. Right. So it doesn't really matter. Like, you know, it's like, you know, it's, it's, it's just, you're splitting hairs. It's just stupid. It's just no, there's no point to it. It's just, after I watch that American greed, I don't think I've, watched it since it just it bothers me because i i because of the edit so now when i watch another american greed i know that they did the same thing to that person that they did to you so it just turns me off yeah well i still like keith morrison though he's the man i'd say it's sorry but they do it for ratings yeah if they're not makes it okay i'm not i'm not saying it's right all but that's like saying i rob banks why i needed the money oh that makes it okay the story's not good enough

He needed money. You don't make an old lady cry. It's not good. You don't make a kid cry? It's not good. At the very end, Keith Morris said, and he hates old people's children, and he's mean to animals. Small animals.

Don't know. For a second. I was like, we got, we got to, I'm going to search Dan. You know who could find it? We know our little friend over there, a nutcase. My nutcase friend of mine can find, and he is a nutcase. Now, when you did Dateline, you got time off for doing that. interview? How much time did they give you off? Well, for

for Dateline and American Greed and for writing the Ethics and Fraud Program, I got seven years off my sentence. Oh, so they combined all three and then you... Well, they didn't want to give me anything at all. So we had to, yeah, I would imagine. Frank, you know, I'd have Frank Amadeo filed a 2255 and eventually I got back in front of the judge and argued he knocked off seven years. And for someone who doesn't know what a 2255... Oh yeah, it's a it's a motion where you're saying you were ineffectively represented by counsel.

So your counselor was this ineffective. Like they didn't know, they didn't help me in any way. Right. You know, and technically, you know, I didn't give my, I didn't give my probate, I mean, my, my public defender much to work with. Yeah. And the argument was really like, you told me to plead guilty and to do all of these things. And you said that those things would result in a sentence reduction, but you didn't understand the law because I couldn't force them to do that.

And those things don't actually qualify me for a sentence reduction. So my argument was that she didn't understand the law. Right. And she was being told, she was being lied to by the, by the U.S. attorney who was saying, we will do it. And then they turned around, they said they wouldn't. And then when you turn around, you go to the law and you say, okay, well, fine, then we're going to file this because the law says this. Oh, no, guess what? it doesn't say that.

So when you went in the court, what were you thinking you were going to get? Like, did you think you were going to get? 10 to 12 years. In between 10 and 12 years is what I was doing. So sitting there in that chair before he pounds that thing, you're thinking 10 to 12, and you end up here in 26. Yeah. That must have been a nice world. Oh, listen, I'm going to never saw.

And it's so funny is that there were guys in the unit that the guys in the, sorry, in the Marshall's holdover in the unit I was being held in. You know, I got my PSI. And they're like, bro. You realize your PSI says this. And I'm like, right? And they're like, that's what you're going to get. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. You don't understand.

My lawyer's going to argue. My lawyer said this. They're like, oh, oh, no, no, no, no, Cox. That's not how it works. And I'm like, you know, because they've been through the Fed. Like, I don't know anything. Yeah, so they know what's going to happen. They know.

And when I came back, I was just like, I couldn't believe it. And what's that feeling like? When you come back and you sit down, never been to jail before. you did your fucked up shit, but it's different when somebody, you know, when you just get hit with 26 years in prison in your life, when you come back and you sit down, are you just

there's nothing to even say? I was just numb. I was completely numb. But look, you know, I'd actually like, I mean, I just could, like tears rolling down my face. I could not. I was in shock. And then I felt better. Then, not felt better, but at least I got myself under control

before I got back to the unit. well I knew that the news was going to play it and so the news played it so when I walked into the unit just after the news had played I walk in and everybody looks over at me and guys are just like

shaking their head like and I see him going like man I'm sorry like bro I'm sorry boom the tears hit me again boom I start crying I go straight to my room close the door lay in bed guys are coming to my door knocking on the door going, man, Cox, I know it's going to be okay. I know it seems rough. You know, these are, these are not trained professionals. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, these are guys at 10 o'clock when the cell is shut that are coming up to.

No, they're coming up to me right then. They're just trying to. As soon as you walked in. Huh? As soon as I walked in. I, I jumped in my bed, you know, fell in my bed. I'm just fucking in tears. And they're trying to make me feel better. Right. bro it's going to be all right man like they don't know what to say yeah they're not professionals they're like uh you can't be letting them do that to you bro uh man fuck them fuck them it's like what just leave just leave just you're not helping me you're not helping you know yeah fuck them all you you want they just gave me 26 years what am i gonna do yeah yeah so what's funny is that probably the best guy that i can't had was another fraud guy and i remember he came to the to the door and he goes

listen bro let's face it he said you're going to do some time and i was like oh my god no shit he looked at me he said but at 10 he is after you've done he's you got he said you've done a year he said which means you got about 23 22 years to go and i was like okay and he said at 12 so you're going to do 12 years he is because at 10 years they'll send you to a camp he says you can walk away from a camp he is once you get to the camp he said you make a good friend just a year out before you go to the camp and then when you get to the camp you hang out

with somebody who's about to get out you become good friends with him one of those two guys will pick you up they'll pick you up they'll have clothes waiting for you you get out of the country you commit a fraud you do whatever you got to do he says but you're going to do 12 years and I was like

and what man is saying is in a camp there's no fence there's no fence you can walk away you can just run and people are actually training to run through the woods, you know, prior to do it. You know, like they're literally running up and down a rock. Sometimes you can... Sometimes you literally can walk 100, 200 feet

and get into a car. Like, there's like the roads right there. Somebody can slow down. You hop in the car and drive off. There's, like, there'll be 300, 400 people at a camp and there's like four guards. And none of them are leaving the guard shack. Like, they're all just hanging out, you know, eating pizza and talking and playing on the computer. Like, they don't even pay attention. They come around just for count.

So people leave all the time. People leave, go get food, come back, bring it back. They go get drugs. They got, you know, everything. So I'm saying. But so I remember when he said that, I remember thinking, yeah, 12 years, okay. I can do it. Because that's what you thought you were going to get to begin.

Right. It's ridiculous. Right. You know, but, you know, and that's really what I, what I was. So I started focusing on that more. Yeah. You know, just, just, you know, it's just, it's hope. Hope gets you through.

It's the hope that this is going to happen. So then at that point, you're just waiting. You say, okay, well, I got 10 to 12 years, like I thought. And then that 26 kind of goes out of your mind at the moment to get through what you've got to get through. Yeah. And my friend was in a camp, and he was saying that they would train because they knew it was, the guards would come at certain times. And they knew that, okay, they had this amount of time to get to the road, to get the book bag of shit and to get back. And when he first got there, he saw these guys, like, run up and down, like, rocks, like all day long.

build rocks and shit come to find out he found out that that was practicing to get through the terrain of the woods to get out to the highway to get to the car to get the book bag to bring the ship back to then sell cell phones liquor zan it you fucking name it they got it in that bag and he was saying like the guards only come like one time at night three times they're in the day because they're over at the medium or the low or you're you're on there's no reason for a camp you're on out custody yeah you're you know a real danger. Just go home.

Once you're not at the low, go home. Right. Look at all these guys right now that are, look, half the people at the low, are, shouldn't even be at the low. You know what I'm saying? It's ridiculous. Like all these guys that they've let out, something like 5,000 inmates they let out for COVID, you know, there's one guy.

So it's like two people have violated. One person has a new charge. Like actually went out and committed a crime. So, you know, and probably just went out and sold drugs. It's probably for money. So probably got out, started selling drugs, but for the most part, 5,000 guys are out there for a year. Nobody's committed a crime. Like, these are not, there's no reason these guys should be.

And there's, oh, and you know, you know that the Biden administration wants to lock them all back up. Really? Yeah. I don't even watch it anymore. I'm so sick of the shit. So they want to, so that the Biden administration wants to take the people that were let out. Right. So Trump lets a bunch of guys out because basically you're.

You're some white collar criminal who got three years for tax evasion. You go to prison, catch COVID, and die. That actually happened, by the way. So they were like, okay, wait a minute, we've got guys that are nonviolent that are on out custody. Like, basically, you're not violent. Like, they're on their way out. Right. Well, not at their level, their security level so low that's basically this guy doesn't have to be in prison.

Yeah. And because the Bureau of Prison doesn't want to put people on house arrest, you know, they want you incarcerated. That's where their money is to keep you in there. So they're like, so they said, look, if anybody in the prison system is susceptible to basically dying of COVID, and it's a cesspool in there, like everybody in prisons got COVID at this point, guards are dying left and right. So if that's the case, you've got some inmate who has asthma and is 50 years old and is not in great shape and, you know, you got to get them out. put him on an ankle monitor, send him home. If he has somewhere to go, send him. So that's what they did.

They did that with 5,000 guys. That's what the Trump administration did. Right. So then Biden, now Biden's back in and Biden's saying, look, things are getting better. Everybody's getting their shots in prison. We're going to give everybody their COVID shot in prison. And at that point, we need to take all these 5,000 people that are out and put them back in prison. The fuck.

Why? Money. They've been committed. They've been done anything. They're all on out custody. You now know you can monitor them. So you now know you can monitor these guys outside of the prison. So why are they in prison?

You put an ankle monitor on them. You let them get a job. You let them pay their own bills. They can pay all the fees. They can pay for everything themselves. You don't have to house them anymore. Here's the problem. The problem is then the inmate population drops.

and then we don't need camps anymore. We can now close those, and we don't need camps. We don't need to staff them. So guess what? The Department of Justice's budget doesn't have to be so big, does it? Let's start cutting back on your budget. That makes sense, but any organization that wants to continue and thrive needs to continue to grow. So the Bureau of Prisons would be perfectly happy to keep piling in people.

So they don't want to, and they also don't want anybody to know that we can let these people out and they can be monitored at home. That hurts us also. Yeah. Well, it's a business. Right. We don't want to close this. We don't want to lay people off. We don't, we want to be powerful. We want to have a big union. We want to have a lot of employees. We want to have power. We want to have money. Do you think this administration will actually do that? Pull all those people back in. Do you really? Jesus. So you're some guy who went out, got a job, started a life, got a girlfriend. Maybe I was having a kid. Yeah. Who knows? And guess what? Now you got to go, Haven't done anything wrong.

You got five years left on your sentence. Guess what? We're going to yank you up, throw you back in jail. But don't you think he'll get rocked if he does that? I guess he doesn't give a fuck. No, they're inmates. No, no, no, no. It's true.

Who cares about criminals? I think, well, 5,000 people. That's 5,000 people that are going to throw a fucking fit. I mean, who cares? Nobody's going to listen. Listen, the media doesn't care about criminals. Nobody cares about criminals. The judge will have to go back.

He got out. Remember I told you? From the kids for cash? Yeah. That means he'll have to go back. Listen, matter of fact, there is an article that... Well, he shouldn't have ever been let out to begin with. He was older, and they were afraid he was going to catch COVID.

There's an article right now that was released about a week ago, maybe, and it's called, shoot, I just read it. And it says anybody that's, I think it's four years or five years, if they have more than four or five years, they've got to go back. Like, if you have like four years, they're like, I think that was the number of four. They're like, eh. You don't know what the article was called? It was called, I don't know, it was about, you can find it. You can probably just type in like Biden wants to put. It says Joe, Joe is in the title, for sure.

Joe is in the title. Well, he looks it up. We'll talk about the American gray thing. So you got seven years off between those three. And what did you do? You wrote a piece on how they, like how you committed your fraud. See, this is that, that's one article. That's that ADA.

I mean, I'm trying to help him. It came out about a week or so ago. Go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead. Multitask. Go ahead. I can't multitask. Go ahead. I'm just fucking with, yeah.

I'm your friend. That's why I'm fucking with you like this. So you got seven years off. And what was the other thing you did? You wrote a piece. Kind of like the movie that you always talk about. Oh, an ethics and fraud course. I wrote a course on basically how to help people.

Not get. Yeah, how to not fall into the trap of committing a fraud. And then I wrote what's called a red flag. course which helps loan officers detect and see the warning signs that fraud's being you know is that actually this is what's happening right now this guy's committing fraud you're there's all these warning signs and you're just going to do the loan anyway because you don't see it yeah and then um when you did the american greed how was they came to the prison or how did that one work american greed i did uh i went to the warden's office for two days in a row and talked on the phone for

like an hour they you barely used any of it yeah i was going to say because when you sent me that zophile there wasn't there was like barely anything they could basically pictures of you and them narrating about you right and then there was maybe we're talking about I think three yeah three different times where I said one or

two things that they thought that makes them sound bad yeah let's use that two hours and they found like three pieces like less than a probably a minute and it wasn't even the story it wasn't even really the story of what went from what I know and from what I've read and I've read your original it's just exaggerated it was

exaggerated you know I mean it's like saying you know oh you know none of that's true well no wait they said I committed fraud I committed fraud they said I was borrowing money on homes I did do that you know I you know but like there's all this massive amount of fraud and they said what is the most egregious what makes him look the worst this part right here right well they have to make it As drama as they can. Right. They're going to dramatize. Yeah.

So this little piece here, out of all of this, we're going to focus on this. Why? Because that makes him look really bad. And that's what's going to get the ratings. Right. That's what we want. Oh, that's the guy that's getting out. Did you ever interview him?

This guy here? Yeah. No. Boy, he lost some weight when he was in prison. We never. Connected? Yeah, I thought that maybe that wouldn't be such a fuck him. I really don't want to be sitting next to a fucking.

sick fuck yeah he got out yeah but he he got out he's the one who's putting kids away yeah i mean what i mean what could i mean you sit across from him yeah i mean it would be interesting i guess good but i mean first off that's so fucked up oh it's and what's your fucking excuse gonna be he's got a whole thing on what like i talked to him about it like he was like you know that it was you know that are you talked to this guy yeah i've talked to him talked to him about Bozziak story. John Boziac. Like John, I needed to talk

to somebody about was it possible? Like, why did they lock this kid up? Why didn't they keep him in there? Why didn't they? Like, was that possible? Like, I needed to talk to an expert. That was my expert.

A judge. A, what? I was going to say that, that's the other judge. That's the head judge. He's the guy that was the head honcho. The other judge is the sidekick. And the other sidekick.

And the other sidekick. kick judge got out the main guy is still in prison it says he didn't get out for a release from and he's older than the other guy so who got out cohan no conahan or uh conahan got chival here's the name of it here's the name of the article refill our federal prisons question mark say it ain't so joe question mark just yeah that's fine say it ain't so joe and right right there right yeah click on that so that's the one that talks all about wow so he does in March 2020 as a threat of COVID became clear Congress passed legislation to provide emergency assistance the states we know

that on our normal normal circumstances the BOP Bureau of Prisons authorized to send someone to home confinement only at a very only at the at the end of their sentence, six or 10% of this sentence, whichever is less. But with COVID-19 spreading among people in prison, sitting ducks who have no way to sow, blah, blah, blah, blah. In other words, Trump... Oh, 7,000, roughly 7,400 individuals are currently serving the remainder of their sentence on home confinement. Right. So 7,400. What did I say? 5,000? You said 5,000. I was off. Between 2 and 3,000 of them are serving extended home confinement terms thanks to the authority

Congress gave the Attorney General. Where does it get to the part? What's that say? With second just Anyway, so he wants to put them back in. So that's not good. Right. And that is abovethe law.com.

And you just type in. Yeah, there's other articles. Yeah, I mean, just refill our federal. prison say it ain't so Joe okay so you got the seven years off for that did you think you were going to get seven years off for that like during the shows oh yeah I was hold the whole time I was going to get time off but the government just kept kept saying no they're not they're not then they would say do it and we'll we'll consider it substantial assistance and we'll

reduce your sentence I would do it and then they'd come back and they'd go yeah it's just not enough I said well what do you mean you said you would consider it I did it you said we did consider it and it's not enough we you know and I was like well and that's when I learned like the power of really understanding what a word means yeah we said we think about it right and we did think about it and it's not enough and I was just like no they said we will consider it yeah we will think about it so now this is the second time because the first time you're going into court Matt right thinking 10 to 12 you get 26 yeah now you you go do this shit you think you're getting time off not enough so this is twice this is another

this is over and over again this happened the whole sentence from the time you had done um american greed dateline wrote the script how long did it take from when you were done with those three to the point when they actually gave you the uh deduction a couple two three years two or three years like it was two or three years into it when you know everybody had told me it just you can't doing there's nothing you can do there's nothing you can do and then i met frank amadeo and he's like I'll take care of this unfair and I won't allow them to do this and I'm like this guy what the heck's going on

this crazy he's an inmate you know but he's a former he's a lawyer he's just he was disbarred and he's in prison and it was like he got out yeah he's he's doing he's doing nine he's doing he's got eight more years to go so he'll have to go back to prison if they

pull these guys back um but yeah frank said I'm not going to let him do this I'm going to follow 2255 and we'll fight them and wheel this and we'll and it was just like oh my god this guy and you wrote a book on him yeah he did a podcast on him yeah it's uh it's insanity about a couple months ago we did it it's on amazon you can grab it's a good book i'm george bush f-16 planes it's funny a guy a screenwriter uh just had read the book and he contacted me he was going brother this is this is amazing he said this is he said i it's just it's shocking he's like

And now he's going, he's reading all these articles on him. He's like, bro, I can't believe in any. Nobody's done anything on this story, with the exception of me. But, you know, it's on Amazon. It's a good book. The biggest thing with him that blew me away was his IQ. Remember his IQ when we looked it up? It was like 186.

Yeah, they remember that, Rob? The article or something, one of the articles or something, so that he had 180. Eighty-six. Well, it was in the actual police, the federal paperwork that it was 186. And then we looked up like the levels of genius. and 186 is like through the roof Right

It's tremendously high He's a sharp guy He's a troubled guy He's also very troubled What's what else is going on Is that a new Rolex? Is that new? I don't know what it is

It's a fucking time X So you said you do have a new book In the works No I have a new story Like a synopsis that I want to write, which is about a guy named John Long, who he's actually got an amazing story. He's like, like his family came over and went from, I want to say it's, um, uh, might be North Korea

or South Korea or, is he a Vietnamese? It's somewhere in Asia. He's not Chinese, though, but he came over. And when he was a young kid, you know, he's living in Chinatown. They can't, like they can't control him. He's running the streets. He's fighting. He won't go to school.

he's a little maniac and super smart guy too but just just a maniac and so he eventually joins basically a chinese gang called the triads it's called the uh i want to say it's like the hop suit something triad but it basically means red door so it's like the red door triad it's like a gang only it's not like our gang it's like you know it's like an organized gang like they're everywhere they have them in in all throughout europe you know like they have like a home base of operations It's not like the Crips and the Bloods who are hanging out in some guy's house and they're loosely based

and they don't really know each other. Like these guys, it's an organization. So at some point, a Chinese businessman comes to him. And most, about 99.99% of all the manufacturing plants and businesses in China are partially owned by the state.

So at some point, in the I'd say in the late 80s early 90s China had gotten with their manufacturing plants were getting all of these orders to build like IBM computers and Apple computers and all of these different computers and they needed to come up with the chips well the manufacturing wasn't up to standards to be able to come up with these Pentium chips

or Pentium or whatever those chips are called so when they first came out so they're not able to manufacture them fast enough in a quality quantity and quality that actually can run the computers. So they go to the triads. Like, China can't send in a bunch of, you know, commandos to rob these places. Like, I can't let some Chinese, like, we can't let one of our military get caught breaking into manufacturing plants.

Like, that would be bad for us. Right. So they go to, who do you go to? You go to criminals. They'll do it. So they go to the triad. And by this point, John Long has joined the triad. And these guys are doing all.

These are the Chinese, so they're robbing places, they're extorting people, they're breaking in places, they're selling drugs, they're selling guns. So now, he's basically gotten himself into the gang. He's in a gang. He's in the triad. And he's running a bunch of guys. So they come to him, they come to the triad, and the triad calls long in and says, look, we want you. We think you, we think you're smart enough to pull this off. Like he's pulling off big jobs already.

He's like a 22, 23 year old kid, but that's a normal gang member, but he's sharp. So they say, okay, here's what we want you to do. We want you to, these guys need 10,000 of these computer chips. They're manufactured at this plant. They know they're there. They need you to go get the chips. So he goes and robs them. He gets a crew.

You can't, I mean, these are big places. Like, this isn't like, you know, it's not like a 7-Eleven. I mean, this is like robbing a something. IBM plant. It's like robbing something three times the size of a Home Depot, you know, with guards and people manufactured. So they stake the place out, they pull up, they rent like nice cars, they dress in nice suits, they pull up as the places, they figure out how many people work there, when is the low shift, when's the high, you know, when are more people on, when are more people off, they wait until people empty out, when the shifts in, so they watch it for about a week, when they finally realize, okay, this is when it's almost closed, like the door's not all locked up, but it's almost closed. So most people have left. but we know that there's like four people left

so they come in and they knock on the door and they open the door and these bunch of guys in business suits and they go yeah we're here to tour the plan and we need to talk to so and so oh I'm sorry he's not here well can we come in while you talk or you know well you call him

because we need to get in touch with them so they let them in boom they pull the guns out get on the ground get on the ground they zip tie everybody then they have someone walk them one of the official people that work there walk them through the factory and then every time they come up on somebody

boom get on the ground Get in there. Zip them up. Let's keep walking. They walk through this. They zip ties, five guys, four guys, six, eight guys. And then they go, where are these chips? They take them to them. They load up a van full of them. They get their 10,000. They drive to a parking lot. They leave people, all the people zip tied. They drive off to a parking lot. They walk up. There's the official guy. You know, is it, it's a guy supposedly that worked for a manufacturing company. However, these chips. Chips went to multiple manufacturing. The truth is, it's probably a Chinese official. It's probably someone who works with a Chinese government, but somebody that is detached enough so that they don't have to claim responsibility.

So they go and they say, okay, you know, we got the chips, the guy opens them up, sees the chips, he hands them a briefcase worth with $2 million in it. They give him the keys of the van, the guy drives off. He robbed 30 places over the course of two years. Wow. I mean, this, this, so thinking of the case So think about it.

This is China having the triad rob Americans or American plants so that they can ship the chips back, put them in computers so that they can sell them back to the Americans. And the chips, think about it. This is $10 million with the chips. If you read the articles, it's like the thieves got away with $10 million worth of computer chips that they're selling for a million dollars. So imagine all of that's being turned over to China. What's China making? What's your guy's name? The guy's name is John Long.

Like J-O-H-N-Long? Like John, J-O-H-N-J-N-J-N-J-Long. I just didn't know it was different because it was hanging out of there. 30 fucking plants he got in two years. Oh, yeah. This is in the tens of millions of dollars. This is all over the United States. It's not like he stayed in California.

This guy's everywhere. That sounds like a good story. It is. And ultimately, you know, there's a murder. Once again, Long didn't commit the murder. Yeah. But that's the whole thing. Like, if you look at it, it's like this is a guy that's running a crew,

but obviously the guys that you're running are gang members and they're idiots and so one of the times when they're actually stalking I'm sorry, they're actually like they're casing the joint, they're watching this place they're surveilling the one of the plants it takes a week or two and they're counties there's a lot of downtime so they notice

that the hotel where they live they notice that they're staying they notice there's a jewelry store not too far away and so they start watching the jewelry they think, well, while we're in town, let's rob the jewelry store. So they follow the guy down, they follow the jeweler home, find out where he lives, go in that night, kidnap him.

But when they kidnap him, I think that his brother-in-law is there. And the brother-in-law puts up a struggle because they're like going to kidnap him and bring him back to the jewelry store. Brother-in-law puts up a struggle. He gets shot and killed. And one of Long's guys gets shot and killed. Long doesn't know anything about this

until they basically drive back to California. with the guy shot like hey he's shot and they call him up and they tell him look you know whatever you know lee is shot he's bleeding we can't go to the hospital this other guy's dead long as like what the hell happened we you weren't even going to rob the place for a couple days but then they pin him with the murder well of course he he works under him yeah i mean you hired a crew they killed somebody don't ruin your book too much because then you come back in and then do it's a good it's a good story so he gets caught oh yeah he's doomed Done.

And keep in mind, dude, this guy did like four years going to trial in all these different jurisdictions. Oh, yeah, because they hit him in every place. So he's tried it in Florida. He's tried in California. He's tried in like Ohio. He's tried in Utah. He's tried in Nevada. This guy's got like 150 years.

You know what, Matt? Now's the time to write that book because with all the China shit and the computer shit and everything else. I'm trying. You know what's the problem is? Every time I want California is shut down. You can't get the transcripts. at the motions. I can't get anything in California because it's all on, it's not like I can go online, have someone pull it online. It's in the, where the microfish. You have to have somebody

physically have to have someone go down there, do the research. This is back in the late 80s, early 90s. Right. So it's not like it's right there on the top pile. And I can do a lot with the articles. I can do a lot with people that knew him. Right. But at some point, you really need the dates. And I can't order the Freedom of Information Act because Long is still alive. And he's in the pin. But why can you order the Freedom of Information Act? Because he's alive, he would have to sign off. Now, if I could get a death certificate, if he was dead, I could order it.

Like, I can't order one on you without your permission. Now, in the state, I could. Like, in the state of Florida, I could order it on you. Right. Like, they don't care if you're alive or not. They're like, this is freedom of public records. You can get it. Have you spoke to him?

Have you sent him a letter or anything like that? No, I had somebody that was working with had contacted him. yeah and dealt with him and tried to kind of communicate with him and um and he just he's not respect not receptive to to you know the way might not be in the mood well first of all he's got life and he's deep into the prison population and his response was you want me to rat out everybody that that um that worked with me and it was like no I mean I'll find that all of this out when I get the transcripts I'm just saying I'd like to know what your backstory is your family came here, why'd they come here, where'd you grow up, where'd you go to school,

when was the first time you committed a crime? You know, that kind of stuff that I can't really learn. Now, on the books that you wrote, did you always, can you write his book without his permission, or could he sue you for writing a book on him without the permission? You can sue anybody for writing, you can sue anybody, but it's, you know, I could sue you because I don't like the fact that you wear black shirts, you know what I'm saying? It's like, it's stupid. Like, now, how will I get in front of a judge, and the judge is going to go, okay, this is baseless, you know, or, hey, the statute says this, or this is what precedent says, and he's a lot to wear black shirts. So you could sue, but here's where you really have a problem. If you're my neighbor, you're my next-door neighbor, and you work at Walmart, and you're just a regular guy, and you and you and I, I meet you, and whatever, we go to barbecues and stuff, and I learn a lot about you.

and then one day I write a book about you. Well, you have an expectation of privacy. So if I use your name and everything, now you can sit here and say, wait a second, you know, this is a guy who went to barbecues with me. He got all this information. He wrote a book about me. He did ask my permission.

You're going to get sued. You're going to probably you're going to lose. And the difference is, was your neighbor, did your neighbor get arrested for committing 60 bank robberies? Did you get that information from him? am and this is the real you know from all of public records if I get all that information from public records I can write a book about him now it's public information right it's public information now if I were to go to him and tell him hey I want to write a book about you let's say he hadn't

done anything wrong and it's just him and I but I we have you know we're where he's flipping burgers and we're having a barbecue and I go man you're a super interesting guy I'd love to write a book about you and he goes oh okay I don't have a problem with that and then he tells me yeah you can write a book and we sit down we write it out we do everything then when the book is done. He goes, no, I don't like that book. I don't want to, I don't want you to publish that. Guess what? It's too late. You knew, right? You, you knew, exactly. Too late. You knew. You participated. You actively knew. Now, you may not be happy about it. And you should have thought about that before. But, no, you can't have me do all this stuff and then change your mind.

Have you had that problem before? No, I, well, I mean, I've had that problem with Marcus Schrenker, the guy that jumped out of the airplane. Yeah, he was the one of ball. Little Wayne's one of his CDs that didn't come out He was the guy in New York The start

He was up in the price Of the one medication, right? No Marcus Shrinker Marcus Shrinker is the guy Who faked his own death And jumped out of an airplane Who the fuck is that?

Who's the one? Matt, you know who he is He's real narcissist Like he He developed a He didn't develop the drug His company developed a drug And they shot the price up

Beyond belief and he was real cocky and he was on do you know what I'm talking about Rob? He was fuck I don't I think Did he testify in front of Congress?

Yeah It was like the age drug I think it was the age drug That he upped like crazy To like an astronomical price And when he did that You know They hit him with all kinds of charges

They let him out on bail And he just started talking all kinds of shit on YouTube If you saw a picture of him You know who he was right But I didn't write a book about him No I know I know I'm just, I'm confusing him with your guy because the names are pretty close. Right.

Well, yeah, I didn't. So Marcus Schrenker, after I wrote the book, he then turned around and said, you know, I never worked with that guy. I don't know that. I mean, I have, everything I have is, I have paperwork with his notes on it. I have an agreement with him. I have emails that he sent me, you know, telling me stories. I mean, it's overwhelmed. I have overwhelming paperwork that shows we were working together.

So that's the only time. And even still, he'll never, he would never win that argument. He's just a pathological liar. But so, you know, with Long, I can write an entire story on Long without his permission because he's been arrested for all these things. And I'm going to be able to gather the entire story based on what's in public records. I can't order the freedom of information on him because he's alive. I would need his permission.

He's not going to give me permission. Well, it sounds like a good book. You know, like a lot of people that I run into, when they'll see it because they play it a lot. And people that know you, they don't even realize that you were the one who wrote it. The American Greed about the Opiate Kids. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What was the name of the book? Oh, Generation Oxy.

Generation Oxy. Have you ever heard of that? That was him. And it's on American Greed all the time. And I might go to a friends or be around somebody and somehow it will come up because, you know, we're down here in Florida. which is drug heaven. And they're like, did you see that American? And I said, that's Matt.

My buddy Matt wrote that. People don't even know that you wrote that. No, that's good. It's been on American greed a hundred times. That's because, yeah, I mean, like, you know, they saw the article that was in Rolling Stone, which was based on the story that I wrote. And then they've done a bunch of programs on those kids.

Yeah. Yeah. Did they make a movie with that? No. Just a strong documentary, I think. Yeah, but no. I could have swore so I saw a documentary on Netflix

with them. I'm pretty sure. I'll look tonight, or maybe a prime video, just to see it to let you know, because you wrote the damn thing. Yeah, I'd love to know. Because, I mean, I don't talk to Dodd anymore. He got upset. You know, we optioned the film rights to the story.

What does that mean? When you say you option the film rights to the story? It means that like New Line Cinema came in and said, look, we want to make a story based on this article you know so they said we'll give you you know we're like 50,000 dollars for an 18 month option and of course if it gets made then we'll give you guys like a million dollars but so we'll give you 50,000 we split it up you know he got some I got some the writer of the article got

some you know and the guy that didn't even write the article he just took my story and put it my name on put his name on it yeah and then he mentions that oh Matt Cox sent me all this material Well, I sent you an article, which you then rewrote maybe 10% of and suck your name on it and got it in Rolling Stone. And my name was supposed to be on the article. The last minute, he changed it. He took it off? Yeah, last minute they changed. They took it off.

And I know I talked to the owner or the editor of Rolling Stone, and he said, your name was never on the article. He never, we never talked about you being on there. He came in and said, I wrote this article. And my name was never on it. So, oh, yeah, just complete scumbag. plagiarism yeah well put it well not really plagiarism he's put his name where your name should right I mean and yeah I mean it's so anyway when then then then it got optioned and then you know new line cinema was going to do an article or do a movie they were talking about doing a movie on it

and then Doug I was talking to Doug Dodd which is the the main kid in the article he'd gotten out by then and so we're emailing each other and I'm like he's like bro uh they're writing a script right now And I went, really? And I said, you know, it's like based on what? And he came back. He's like, yo, the screenwriter has read the book twice. Now, it wasn't a book yet. It was just a manuscript.

He was he read the manuscript twice. He loves it. And I went, the screenwriter, I said, so he's using it to write the story. He's like, yeah, bro, he's read it twice. He thinks it's amazing. Okay, so now you're using, one, my name's not on the article. two it was option strike two

yeah they did give me they did give me like I got a small portion of it but now you're using my book so I've got the I'm saying hey you're using my book to write a screenplay so all what I'm asking you for is

if that book or if that movie gets made I want my name to be on it along with everybody else's and the response was you're a guy in prison, nobody wants your name on it. And I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, that's not acceptable. You're using my material. I have emails that show that you said the screenwriter is using my book

to write the screenplay. And you're the one who did all the research. Oh, I did everything. Put it all together, probably wrote it 50 times. And I interviewed, I interviewed the kid. Yeah. I met everybody except for one of the people and that kid we communicated through email. So, anyway, so what ended up happening was, he was like, you know, don't rock the boat, bro. I'm just going to be, you're going to make a lot of money. I was like, a lot of money doesn't mean anything to me in prison. I didn't change anything. I can only spend $350 on commissary.

It doesn't matter if I had $20,000 in the bank. Right, right. So, we went, you know, I was like, I'm concerned about when I get out of prison. Right. Can I reinvent myself as like a true crime rider? You know, and you're, you're hindering that. Like, if I got out of prison and there was a moment. movie that made that I that was based on my book that's different that helps me and you know no bro

don't don't don't be like that man don't be you don't be uh oh like a hater a hater bro it's like you begged me to write your story you pathetic little weasel you followed me around and begged me to help you envy and entitlement right that's that's the answer to that and then that was one of two then you get well what ends up what ended up happening with that was here's why he doesn't talk to me anymore because I sent a demand letter to New Line Cinema to everybody involved. Like I sent demand letters to everybody. Which you should, yeah. And immediately, with excerpts from all the emails that I have.

So they immediately, everybody stopped talking to me, immediately. So what I think, and keep in mind, they've optioned that thing three times. Like every 18 months I get another check. Oh, so you are. Well, I'm getting a small check. Yeah, right. You're not getting what you should be. It's not about the check.

It's that you're used my material to... And not even putting your fucking name. I'm not going to put my... Like, it's like, this is the kind of thing that they'll do. Like, they'll spend half a million dollars to fight a claim where it's like, you understand we're talking about putting my name on a screen for eight seconds. It'll be up there for maybe five seconds at the month of a five to eight seconds. Bloop.

And then it's all. All that kind of money because they don't want your name on there because you're in prison. Well, it wasn't, it's not even, it's just... Or they want to give the credit to somebody else? They want to give the credit to somebody else. They don't want to, you know, it's like, it's just amazing that it, you know, but Hollywood is just... But that's not even the bad one.

The bad one was the war dog. Yeah, the war dogs is the... He got fucked. I remember seeing the paper, Rob, the stack of paper was this fucking high. Of a fighting in prison. Yeah, and then there was another stack of paper this high of, like, one stack, one stack, one stack was like back and forth with you know it was universal right universal no that was it was uh warner brothers i'm sorry i mean this high as shit and then there was another stack maybe even higher of

research on devroli who is the character in war dogs so i mean this guy's got stacks of trying to get what is well deserved from war dogs and then an even bigger stack of research that he did that i don't care what they say because i read the fucking thing that script is pretty much the most So, Matt, you wrote, well, I'll say this, you wrote the story about what war dogs is based off of, correct? Yeah, I wrote that from Devoroli's story. And then someone from Hollywood or wherever, Warner Brothers, found it? No, no, no, no, no.

One of the vice, one of the, you hear the whole story, it is fucked up. One of the president of Warner Brothers international, his son was friends with a guy, his son is a documentary, does documentaries. And he's friends with a guy that does documentaries. So they were having issues with the script and Jonah Hill. There wasn't enough about Devereoli. So the head of Warner Brothers president, his son goes to his buddy. His buddy contacts Devoroli and says, hey, I understand you have a manuscript.

You're writing a book and you've written. Now, he already had the manuscript. I'd already written it. So he said, I'd love to see it. So DeVaroli sends it to him. Now they've got a copy of the manuscript. So they take the manuscript that he wrote. Right, right.

They take the manuscript. Just to make it clear. And according to Devoroli, you know, I've never made this allegation, but according to Devoroli, they used the manuscript to write the story. Now, Warner Brothers' argument to that was we used the manual or we read the manuscript just to make sure that we didn't copy it exactly so that we. We changed it enough so that it's not the original story. Okay. Right, right, right. They changed enough just so they could argue it in court.

Right, right. They, like, we can't say this, so, but if you say it like this. Or they put a scene in there where he was in the bathtub and he wasn't in the bathtub, you know, something. Exactly, exactly. They did, like, look, we have a whole scene where he's in, um, Afghanistan, or in, like, Iraq. He was never in Iraq. So they do these little things to say, look, we didn't. use it. Right. So when you go

to sue. Right. They can argue and what they did a lot of what they did was they took scenes that were in there and they just put Pac-Olls in the scene where Devereoli was. See, most of the exchange between Pac-Oll's character and his girlfriend is really based on

Devoroli and his girlfriend. Right. DeVorelli's girlfriend hated war, hated guns, hated this, hated that. And so they just, and also like Devereux, like, in the, you're noticed in the scene, like when Packhouse goes and looks at this apartment and he's like, yeah, yeah, we'll take it and they take the apartment.

You understand? Packhouse lived in that building in like an efficiency, in the older building. Packhouse never made, he made $7,000 total working for Deverelli. He'd never owned a Porsche. He never owned a house, like in

that condo. He never none of that, all that happened to Devoroli. So, they just swapped out the character because they don't have devoroli's life rights we've got the manuscript and we have packouts but we don't have devro so here what we're going to do we'll swap the two out we'll put in a couple scenes we'll make it seem like it's all a completely different movie it's we can argue it in court yep they still settled with devoroli yeah like they still settle with demeroli like now rob if you would read the manuscript and then watch the movie you you would see a couple things that

they change like he's talking about yeah there's a few things But there is no doubt without question that that movie was written by him. They just flipped a couple of things. But that movie, he wrote A to Z. I read it fucking 10 times and then I typed it up. The book is way better than the movie. Like the book, like it's the book is the Lord of War. Right.

He's a young kid in his early 20s who's basically like, it's like the Lord of War. He's literally going on to former Soviet bases and going on there and walking into just like in the Lord of War. He's walking into warehouses and saying, I want 10,000 AK-47s. I'll take 1,000 AK-74s. I'll take these MM4 grenades. I want, I mean, loading up, put the viscqueen around them, load them up on the... My question is, you know, when they take a movie, right, they base a movie off of somebody, whoever it is, Michael Jordan. But Michael Jordan is not going to be in the movie, but they'll find someone that looks like Michael Jordan. And sometimes you're like, ah, I could see it looks like. Did these guys look?

at all, at all like that guy? No. No. No. First of all, Packhouse is bald. I mean,

he shaves his head bald. He's balding. Debroli was actually thin. Most of his life, the only time, there's a picture of him where he's gained weight when he was placed

on home confinement for like a year before he went to prison, he was on an ankle monitor. He gained like 60 pounds. But his whole life growing up, if you look at any of the pictures of him with guns,

Him at these gun shows, him in Albania, where they're doing the, where they're getting all the ammunition, you know, he's thin. He's a cokehead. Yeah. Now, in reality, I forget because I haven't read it in two years, but what did he, how did he eventually get popped in real life? No, same thing in the movie. I thought so.

That whole part of it is, that whole, listen, 80% of that. that is the same. Yeah. So that whole part is, yeah, what he was doing was, and they have it a little bit messed up. What happened was Albania was gifted or given a ton of Chinese ammunition prior to, from China. So they're allies.

So they gave him a bunch of ammunition. And when Debroli starts selling that ammunition that's been stockpiled for 30 years, when he starts selling it initially, when they sell it, they're selling Albanian ammunition. But eventually the Albanians run out of their own ammunition. He's buying. We're talking about like, you know,

billions of rounds. So eventually he's, he run, they run out of it. They start giving him the Chinese ammunition. Not a problem. It's all pre-Tanaman Square, right? There's an embargo after Tiananmen Square where nobody is allowed,

no Americans are allowed to buy Chinese ammunition. But it's after. So if it's It's pre-Tanmen Square is perfectly fine. So what ends up happening is he's selling it. He looks at it and he says, well, I'm going to sell it. At the same time, according to DeVaroli, the price of fuel shot up through the roof. He hadn't accounted for that.

And he said, so he called the military. He said, look, do you mind if I take the ammunition out of the canisters, out of the boxes that they're packed in? Like, that's a ton of weight. and put them in plastic bags. So they go, yeah, that's not a problem. So they dump it all out and take it out. Now, he says, now, obviously, I also knew that all that stuff had Chinese markings on it. He was, but I'd sold Chinese pre-Tanmen Square Chinese ammunition before, like six months before he'd sold it.

They never said anything. He said, it wasn't a problem because, because I know it's, like right now, there's a ban on fully automatic machine gun. if I go on the internet right now and I can buy a fully automatic machine gun not me I'm a felon but you could buy a fully automatic machine gun as long as it was manufactured prior to the ban

really you can't suddenly say anybody who's got a gun can't sell it well you can't sell automatically yeah but I've had this for your grandfathered in same thing with munitions so he had sold it he said it's not a problem so he then turned around

and so he but he's also package repackaging it um so he repackages it they they put it on the on the transports they sent it in armies getting it the military is getting it they inspect it and keep mine i'm like yeah but you know you guys are taking out everything that says that he's yeah but if you look at the you can look at every bullet it's chinese it's got chinese markings on he says it's in china from china from china so then this is the other thing it where you have a um an order that you fill out like where is this ammunition coming from? Albania. He put Albania. They're saying, you lied. He's like, it is coming from. I bought it in

Albania. I'm shipping it from Albania. I mean, he said, if something's made in China and I'm shipping it from the United States, they say, where's it coming from? It's coming from the United States. You didn't ask where it's manufactured. You asked where it's being shipped from. Right. Albania. So there were all these little things that when he finally gets caught, they pile them all up. Keep in mind, all of a sudden, there was an article that there was an, there's an article about how there's this kid, there's this 22-year-old kid who's got a $300 million contract, and he's selling old corroded ammunition or munitions. To our military. Right. Not one, there wasn't one complaint of anything of one bullet going off, not one. That's a complete lie. That's something that was

a, a story that was manufactured. So every bullet that he had gotten that he had swapsed to us, they all worked. Not one, not one didn't work. But in that movie, he switched it up and act like it was jamming. Oh yeah, that's, that's not true. And that never happened. Never happened. Yeah. What happened is this. The New York Times had a 20, found out there's a 22 year old kid who's got a 300 million dollar contract, who by the way, is outperforming all of the other manufacturing. that are all the other established manufacturers who are out there. So they're furious with this kid. He's outperforming them because, keep in mind.

So they want him going more than anybody. Oh, of course. Yeah. So New York Times says this kid's buying old ammunition. So when they start looking into it and then the military investigators get into it, they start putting together a case. Like, look, Congress wants this kid gone. He's an embarrassment.

He's been arrested before. We don't know how he even passed all the screenings. How did his company end up? Keep in mind, they're performing. I forgot about that. So he had a record prior to doing all this and still was able to get government contracts bidding. And not only bidding, but we're talking about bidding on ammunition. And we're not talking about, well, he wasn't a felon.

But still, he had a record, though. He had a record. But he doesn't have a proven track record for solid performance. Right. Okay. So you can't say, no, no, he's done $20, $20, $100 million contracts. He's always, no, no, he hasn't. He's done half a million, $2 million.

In other words, his portfolio did not live up to what he was able to do if it was restricted correctly. But he underbid the contract by like $50 million. Right. So, right. They're going to take a shot, right? Right. So, and this is the thing, like, he's pulling it off. Yeah.

They're performing, like other, it's funny because there were the purchasing orders that were coming through and the woman that's actually, actually coordinating everything, literally she's coming to Devoroli and saying, can you send a hundred thousand, you know, rounds of ammunition here? And he's like, well, that don't, that's not on my, that's not, that's not where I'm supposed to be shipping it. She's like, because, you know, Dinacorp, you know, was supposed to be able to do this or Lockheed Markin was supposed to be able to do this and they can't, they can't meet the demand. They got turned down or they can't fly it in.

They can't get it. How quickly can get there? And he'd be like, I mean, I can get it. It's going to take about two weeks for me. He's like, that's fine. They're saying they can't get it there for months. Like, like he's now performing at it. He's meeting the contract requirements and he's filling your requirements.

Right. I mean, listen, he's, he's getting. without a doubt that nobody else could get done and look and and dirty i mean he's not doing he's not doing it legit that's why they hire these guys because like the u.s military can't finagle the rules but deverroly can't but when it made him look bad they turn on him they manufacture um a a a case against them and you know what they ended up saying when he's sitting arguing it wasn't it's not illegal to ship chinese ammunition that's made prior to the Tiananmen Square embargo, they said, yes, but you didn't really, you didn't know that

and you hid the fact. So you basically created a conspiracy by trying to hide what you were doing had you just asked your permission or just continued to do it. But you actually thought it might be an issue because Pac-Oles did think it was going to be an issue. And DeVroly thought at one point it may be an issue, but we're already repackaging all this stuff. So let's just let them figure it out on their own, right? Right. So if they figure it up, but the problem is, Pac-Oz comes in. And Foxx-Sall a lot. He comes in, he turns himself in and says, look, we're shipping Chinese ammunition. I don't think we should be doing it. Devoroli says it's okay. I don't think so. And he's repackaging everything. And so he says all this stuff. What a jerk off.

And he's, and he's, and he, keep in mind, Deverely had just screwed him out of, like, over a million dollars. Well, that might be why he started, uh, talking. Yeah, yeah. So, he didn't get a lot of money, what you said? He didn't get a lot of money in the other guy. Oh, no, he got like seven grand. He should probably owed him over, over a million dollars minimum.

Well, that fits his, uh, port-a, what about the, what about the part of the movie when they're in, like, Iraq? No, he's never been to Iraq. He's never been to Iraq. So that's never been to Afghan. It's all, that's manufactured. I mean, what's so funny. is like they did that for the purposes of the lawsuit that they knew were coming

what was coming when the fact is is if they had made the movie based on that book that I wrote and just just took it to like if they'd come in and said look we want to put your name on it we're going to give you 50 grand I'll take it I'd have been thrilled I'm in prison that's great if they had gone to Devereoli and given him a few hundred thousand dollars he'd have been thrilled instead they end up spending I can't even tell you how much do you think they spent on lawyers fight I actually know what they spent how much do they spend on I can't tell you Yeah. Okay. I'm going to guess, and you just say closer, high, you say higher or low.

Listen, it's over a dollar and it's under a million. It's a lot. Is it six figures? It's, it's definitely. Of course. What lawyer can you, you can't get a, is it? Is it six figures with a five or higher, high or low? All right, Rob, the under over. Do you, do you think that Warner Brothers spent under or over 500? k fighting i'd say over 500 k i would say that rob is a smart man but just give us like the first six numbers in that i love the comment what's the first number tommy's teeth are brighter than my future i love that comment thank you thank you very much i'll take it again you see you did you read that comment there was actually a comment where a guy goes bro Tommy's teeth are brighter than my future Tommy don't read the comments it's awesome they're awesome make your future make your future brighter and it's the lighting it's not my teeth look my teeth look super white get off the

fucking phone i'm not all i it's a habit i'm just holding it is it on airplane motor you're no no it's on airplane it's on airplane okay this happens every time what are we doing on the phone right now in the middle of a i like to play with it bro this is magic do you understand they didn't even exist when i got locked up when i got out they handed me a little magazine you've been out for a while now man i'm still impressed i'd keep myself humble this fucking guy Oh, my God. Yeah, you're keeping yourself humble using, what's that app called? Oh, yeah, reface.

Yeah, and we're not promoting it because they're not paying, but it's just funny what the buck they do. Listen, I actually, like, literally, you understand, typically, you know what my work day is? I wake up at, like, six, I go work out, right? I come home. I either go to see my mom or not. And I work, like, probably 10 hours a day, painting, painting, writing, doing podcast, doing whatever I need to do, right? I lost three hours the other day playing with this fucking app

And this is called ReFace So shout out to ReFace Even though you're not a sponsor But you can be if you want Look, that's me So you can put your face on somebody else Now that's Matt Yeah but look

They definitely do the nose The nose is wider looking It is yeah the nose is not It's not great Look at the camera Matt Look at the camera Oh look at you yep Yeah look at that

And then let's go back to the picture here Hold on. There, there's Matt, there's picture. Yeah, hit the nose is wider. Yeah. Play it again for another part because it does start to look more like him. Right there, right there. Keep your face like that.

See, it does look like. Yeah, it's got it. It's great. Right there. Paul's that. Yeah, that's got him. That's insane. You got to, you got to do.

See, now that's pretty much got you pretty good there. Yeah. got your eyes, your eyebrows, your nose is right. They gave you a bigger bottom lip, but. That's fine. But it's still funny. You got to do Tommy. Tommy as, um, Iron Man.

As Iron Man. This is awesome. Yeah. That does look like me, right? That's perfect. What do you get, do you get, look? All right. No, we do that last part, the last part is the best.

Absolutely Perfect So that would be me with a Goatea I guess You with the goatee I'll take fucking Ironman any guy Yeah I agree And this is Rob

The engineer Also a A drone guy If you ever want Oh you gotta give you a number to tank And here is Rob This is dumb and dumber Here's Rob

I mean I don't know That kind of looks like That looks like you're there. It's there. You're just... The eyes are good. I had that haircut as like a five-year-old. Everybody did.

The bowl cut. Rob, pause it and put her on YVew and come stand next to the TV at a good spot. What do you think is the best spot? Right there. Right there, right there. Pause it. I go up there.

This is Robert Moore. Work for NBC, Fox. He's nice enough to... Be my engineer and click the cameras, and he also does flying drones for high-end shit if you need a drone. Got to say, right. All right.

I'd say. It's there. Yeah. I mean, if I had the bolt cuts, though, I guess. It's there. But like the... My tooth, I didn't crack my tooth back. I got it fixed, but not that bad, but I cracked it.

The nose is pretty good. It's... It's... You can... If you look, you can tell it's him. You know what I mean? I think... I think the iron.

man want on me is probably the closest because and in the app as you were saying there there's multiple ones you could do it you can do what would the elements you were doing oh you bro there's got to have it's got to have a hundred of them yeah 50 to 100 different well you just said you spent three hours playing with it was ridiculous yeah listen my my mom has a nurse that is very attractive and we put her face on a bunch of supermodels and I mean as soon as you send it to anybody like I'd send a little clip to somebody they come back and me like oh my god is that Celine oh my gosh that's Saline oh my gosh that's Oh my gosh, is that Saline?

How did you do that? What's it? Like, they immediately picked it out. Yeah. Me? Eh. That's definitely, that's pretty good. Yeah. That one was pretty good.

Yeah, I like that one a lot. Yeah. Now, but you do, all three, there are spots. There's certain spots where you can definitely sit. You know, you can only do so much. Less than 10 years from now, it'll be amazing. Ten years, it'll be walking around. It'll be amazing.

Yeah. There'll be a hologram of me. Yeah. He'll walk and sit down. I won't even need you in here. Yeah. That'd be nice. Man, typical Matthew Cox.

Man, look how, I didn't realize how big those paintings, that painting. Like, what was the Maryland Monroe? Yeah. Man, that was big. Unbelievable. Yeah, we're going to go through your Instagram, but I wanted to ask you about the, before we got on the podcast, you were talking about the $6 million piece that you put out. You just put it out this morning.

Oh, yeah, yeah, the guy, Lugo. Yeah, what happened? What video did you just put out that you were talking about $6 million? I was walking in and out, so I didn't hear on it. On my channel, Matt Cox and Inside True Crime. Right. Or just in Inside True Crime. Or you just type in Matt Cox and you go and you come up.

So I put out a video today about this guy that I had met. That's it right there. It's the con man reacts to 6 million P.P. loan scam. So that's the one right there. Matthew Cox and Inside True Crime. So I met this guy in federal prison named Julio Lugo. He's a black guy, but he's got like a Spanish name. So when I got, so we used to hang out, we used to talk all the time.

You know, it's all right. So when I got out, he contacted me and was like, hey, bro, you know, we got to hook up. We got to have lunch. I want to tell you what I'm doing. And I was like, oh, what are you doing? And he said, well, you know, I'm doing real estate. I'm doing a bunch of stuff. Like I said, oh, you're flipping house?

Yeah, yeah, I'm flipping a house. right now, but I'm doing a bunch of other stuff like I want to talk to you about. I go, well, let's talk. What is it? Well, it's kind of, let's have a conversation in person. I was like, um, okay. So I knew something was wrong. Like all the pictures of him on Facebook, he's, it's Louis Vuitton and Prada. There's, he's got flashing money. Like nobody lays $100,000 out on a bed, you know, and takes pictures of it. And unless you're, you're some want to be gangster or, you know, rapper or some, or just a complete idiot. Or asking to get your door kicked out.

Right. And so that was what he was asking for. Because I then suddenly, like, about a week and a half, two weeks ago, somebody sent me a video and said, have you seen this? And it was that Julio Lugo and his wife had been indicted and arrested for applying for $5.8 million dollars in PPP loans and now they they make it sound like they got the money but I I'm obviously I'm looking at it I'm thinking no they applied for it but they obviously got a million maybe two million dollars out because they're building new houses they're paying off vehicles they're they're doing they pulled out they said they pulled out 300 350 360 thousand in cash and what's a PPP loan it a PPP loan is the the loans for the COVID like the relief okay so

there it's a yeah it's businesses that are going under that need to pay their employees all these are all these ones are we getting 120k yeah they're getting and they're not going on there no well yeah they're getting it they're and they're not paying their employees they're on fucking vacation just buying shit right so obviously lugo had was talked to all of his friends and family people that have had existing businesses and they applied 70 different times from his home computer wow home IP address for these for this money and obviously got a bunch of it and I just the like the whole time he was trying to contact me, I knew something was wrong. So I kept blowing him off. Like, like, he's like, hey, uh, where you at, bro? We'll go have lunch. I was like,

I'm in Riverview. Man, I'm in Tampa. I'll, I can swing by now. Oh, I was like, I can't. Um, I'm headed. I'm on my way to Orlando. Well, when are you going to be back, bro? Oh, it's not going to be till late. You know, I don't want to be. How many times did you say he tried to contact you? I think I spoke three or four times he called me. And, and how many times did he call overall, like, or four times. Oh, I thought that maybe he called more that you just didn't answer. Um, you know, there was, there's only a few times that he called. There's two or three times that he called and I didn't answer. Um, and it's not that, you know, I was trying to be rude. I just felt like, you know how you get that intuition. Oh, yeah. And I just was like, you always know. You always know

when something's wrong. You know, it's just a matter, do you pay attention to it or not? Right. Do you run with it? Do you think you're okay? Do you think, oh, it's what, what could it be? And then a lot of times when you have that feeling, it doesn't happen right away. And you're like, ah, this is just a bullshit feeling. And then little do you know, six months a year later, that feeling that you had a year ago and ends up turning in, yeah, it catches up with you. And you're like, fuck, I should have listened to myself. Well, he, yeah, I don't know, look. What's his name Hugo Long? No, Julio Lugo. Julio, Julio. He's got so many stories with this guy. He's like a baseball player. There is a baseball player by the name of Julio Lugo. It's funny. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. They didn't mention that when in the, uh, in the indictment or the U.S. press release where they talked about arresting him or the multiple news programs or articles you were showing me the article before we came on these guys got cash laying all over the table putting on on Facebook yeah got himself surrounded got videos of him throwing parties where they had a Louis Vuitton cake yeah it was just made up of Louis Vuitton and and they're all like he's a Louis Vuitton cake yeah yeah it's on Facebook I like Louis Vuitton I would I don't want a Louis Vuitton cake well it looks pretty but and I would show it to you but I'm not allowed to use my phone on the podcast.

I can pull it up. Yep. Well, it's Facebook. The name of his, by the way, he didn't use his name. He used the name, um, Ricky Williams. No, Richard Williams. Richard Williams. Right, that's his alias.

Yeah, well, he's playing around or, we'll just talk about whatever. Well, he, he might have pulled it down. No, you know the feds are going to keep it up. They're probably tracking everybody that clicks on it. no i'm just joking they got him where was he was he in florida yeah he was in um well i think he's in lake no that's not him he's a black guy

what are you doing wow um probably be easier just to google his name was it rich man any of them him if not the hell with it lives in miami florida that one down that no

turn your phone on fuck it all right let's find this guy to cut this part out and then he is not he may be a orderly when he gets the 10 years that he's going to get orderly is sweeping the floor by the way um so I mean that's such a common name so I mean is not even worth it to even look for it yeah now we'll find it I let him put it on the phone which I probably shouldn't have done because he'll never get I'll be having an interview with you, Rob. Yeah, it's going to be me and Tommy talking about Matt. Have you found it yet? He had it up earlier.

Should we pull up his Instagram page while we're on here? Yeah. Yeah, we'll go through that. That's his inside true crime. Yeah, that's what fucking crazy. Look at that painting. That's cool. That's what I was telling him. Yeah, I like this.

I mean, he can paint just as good as anybody else. That is... Oh, that's nuts. Don't worry They might have pulled it There's Boziac, yeah Don't worry about it, Matt They probably pulled it down

There's Marilyn Monroe That is crazy These are wild Matt, we're going through your Instagram page while you're searching there Yeah, forget about him Nice Forget about that guy

Whatever, he's done anymore Yeah, it's a yeah well you shouldn't put it on Facebook you know should more uh he should have done that when he was done maybe do something right yeah so go back to the top and this is uh Cox pop art this is him painting he's as good as any painter I've ever seen I see that he's doing it more often now oh yeah yeah yeah got a bunch of time lapse videos yeah this is cool to watch Oh, is it from beginning to end? Yeah, I did two of those.

It was this guy, and he wanted, his wife apparently loves Jason, Voorhees, from Friday the 13th. Like, she's like, loves horror program, and that's her favorite character. And so she wanted me, they wanted me to paint a pop art Jason Vorhees. So I came up with something. And she also loves Hello Kitty. Hello Kitty. So I did Hello Kitty Skulls and Crossbones and did a Jason. and Vorhees behind.

Now, you're blasting through this, but how long does this actually take you? 10 to 20 hours. 10 to 20 fucking hours. And you can't do it like in a row. Like, it's not like this. Like, this is a few people, I've had guys who think,

oh, you do it in like a day. I'm like, bro, every, like, every couple of seconds I got a different shirt on. I'm wearing black shirts, white shirts, red shirts. Is that oil-based paint? No, it's acrylic. Oh, good.

So when you do that, so you do like a little bit, maybe like an hour? Yeah, I'll do paint for a couple hours or an hour. Take a break. a break, do something else, come back the next day, or whatever. And this is his bubblegum girl collection. These are pretty cool.

Yeah, I've got a time lapse of that one, too. I got... I just scroll down. It's right there, to the left. Yeah, that's it. And this is your bubblegum girl, right? Yeah, this is like a one-minute video on... Yeah, play it.

So you take just an actual picture like that, and you look at it, and you're able to do that freehand. Well, this one's actually a modified screen print. So I'm painting it in and then I do a screen print over it. It gives it like a pixelated look, which is really cool. But I basically paint the entire painting. And then I do a screen print over it, you know, which gives it a super cool look. Uh-oh.

You know, I'm going to back off. Well, if it didn't do it, it just wouldn't be you here. It just wanted to go off a few times. So I've sold a ton of these things, not a ton, whatever, I sold like 15 or 16 of them. I have a few more orders I need to fill. Great. That's it? You got a guy here that one that shipped to the UK in?

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I shipped that one. Did it get there? I don't know. I mean, I'm sure it did. It should have. It's like 100 bucks to. That guy bought a couple of paintings.

What did you buy the Joker? He bought the, a Joker. I've done like three or four. I've been like four jokers. Do the Joker face, Matt. Matt, do the Joker face. You have to. I've got...

That one right there. That one's cool. Right there. No, down. That one right there. Yeah, who is that? No, not that one. But I'm asking you, who is that?

That's Warren Buffett at, like, a younger age? No, these are just pictures. No, I'm talking about the Maryland Monroe right there. But I'm talking about the middle one. Who is that? Oh, I don't know. why it did it like that um what no I had a guy that owns a brokerage business that wanted three paintings three pieces and he wanted businessmen because I want

businessmen with in a cityscape and I want these three quotes and he gave me three quotes to put in the paintings so just general just general businessman not anybody particular no nobody but like models really I just went and found some models and And then I played with the photos and came up with the design, and he approved it. Man, you're good, man. A lot of layering, right, I guess? Oh, yeah, lots of layers. Like, this is, these are great.

Like, these are Marilyn Monroe. People love Maryland Monroe. Now, while we're watching and do this awesome shit, which it is awesome, because you're doing this by hand. And, you know, they're perfect. They're as good as anybody. Now, and I'm not breaking your balls, but being dyslexic, when you, look at that, does that mess with you at all? No.

No, it's just when you read. It's just, it's just. Which is crazy that you're a screenwriter and wrote fucking war dogs, and you can't even read the right way. What do you have to read it backwards? Hey, you got me a few thousand are. It's just difficult. It's just difficult.

So when you look at it, so look, look, when you're reading something, how does the dyslexia fuck with you? Okay, dyslexia has you, it's basically an over-processing of symbols. So what ends up happening is instead of me saying the word building, you know, I see a series, like you automatically, your brain automatically converts building into a symbol. You know immediately that's building. I see it as, you know, be you, uh, like I'm like, I have to, every time I'm reading, I'm basically sounding it out, sounding it out. It's got more than two or three, it's got more like three letters, I'm sounding out. So if you watch me, if you hear me read, I mean, and this is like my whole life, people, people are like, like they'll hear me read.

I remember one time being at my birthday party and my, I was married at the time. My father-in-law had given me a card and I looked at it and I read and I was like, okay, and I put it down and he goes, oh, read it, read it out loud, read it. And I thought, oh, man. And I was like, so I opened it up and I started reading it. And when I was reading it, he goes, quit playing around, man. Come on, read it, read it, quick. Because I'm going through it slowly and reading it. Yeah.

I'm reading it, but it's stuttered and it's slow and it's methodical. And I don't read it like smoothly. Right. So I'm reading it out. And I remember my ex-wife, my wife at the time, she was like, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy. And he's like, no, not, yeah. Why are you playing around? Why are you playing around?

And it was just, and she was like, you know, she turned around and just was like, hey, calm down. That's how he reads. And she was, he's like, why? She goes, he's dyslexic. He has a learning disability. He's like, oh, but you know, I own a mortgage company. So I'm driving a nice car. We're making tons of money.

So people think they don't associate that you have a problem. They think you got the life by the balls and everything's good. And no, I mean, I got some issues. I'm dealing with it. Everybody's got issues. Right. Which probably will get fixed before you're dead. With Elon Musk and his, no, really.

The net thing. Great. Just in time. And stem cells. Listen, I'm at the end of my rope now. You'll be fucking 80 and now you can fucking read. Yeah, exactly. You'll be reading all day long.

You'll be walking around. I mean, we know you can talk for 30 hours. Thank God they fixed this thing. When you read, this fucking guy will be walking around talking and reading out loud. Jesus, I'll need a muzzle for you. Oh, boy. We got to get muzzles in bulk, Matt. I don't think I, oh, I did do a time.

That was bad. I did a time lapse of this. Whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you stronger. No, stranger. Stranger. Well, you don't, I know,

you can't see it. Elvis one's awesome. That's the one other thing. My favorite is the one with the, my favorite is the one with the, the, the, Big Wheel.

Who is that? Bronze Bomber. Who is that? Is that Floyd? I don't know who it is. I thought the first was Floyd, but I don't think. I don't know.

Some guy gave me some money to paint it. I like the big wheel kid. Yeah. What the, A.K. on it? Atomic bomb in the background. So how long have you been painting for like this? I'm painting, like, well, I mean, for like, let's see, is it all about a, about two years now?

Since I got out of prison, it hasn't, in July it'll be two years. So now who's on the right there? Arnold. That's Arnold. And then on the left? Benjamin Franklin, you know, doing the West Coast. Wow. That's what I was told you're all.

I was told to paint What they want they get And now this is the Inside True Crime Instagram Who's podcasted? That was Is that value entertainment?

Yeah, that's value entertainment I don't think I can't play that right Are you, why? They give you a strike If you play YouTube While you're like say right now We play your YouTube They'll strike it

And Go ahead, kill me The word Monitoring Oh, they'll demonetize Demonetize They don't demonetize monetize it. Oh. If I play one second of your video, any income from your video with me and you,

even if it's one second, it all goes to you. So it's not, I'm sorry, it's not a strike. They'll post it, but all the money goes to you. One second of your video. Matt's going to want me to play that video, aren't you? Yeah, play that video. And say, say, play my video. Play one of my videos. Say it makes five bucks, right? Right. That $5 goes over to you. One second goes to you. At least they warn you and tell you to blade it. out or whatever but there you got boziac when he doesn't even look like that anymore no no he's a maniac yeah this is by far your most fucked up idea ever i'll be there in 10 minutes yeah these are this is just the true crime stuff now you you weren't posting much right no i've been posting

lately i've been posting a bunch of stuff because um You know, now I'm starting to get into it. And there's the book right there on Matt, which should be a movie. Well, I'm sure it will be a movie in due time. Working on it, working on it. Are you in any talks? Not on my story, just on the other stories that I've written. Are you eventually going to try to...

Yeah, at some point, once I get my story off the ground... I mean, once I get the other stories off the ground, like, you know, once I've got other things being developed. But right now, my fear is if I work on doing my story and it gets made, then it shuts everything down. Like, you couldn't, you can't, Jordan Belford actually came in and tried to be a, um, a producer.

Like he was, he was pitching different series that he wanted to do that were all based on like, you know, fraud and excess and cons and stuff. Jordan Belford is, uh, Wolf of Wall Street. Wolf of Wall Street. So he would, and, and basically, you know, as soon as he walks in the room,

everybody's like, you know, oh, wow, you're the Wolf of Wall Street. You're the Wolf of Wall Street. You're the, so when he's pitching an idea, they're not focusing on the idea. They're thinking, Wolf of Wall Street oh wow who it's like it's like it's what like watching you know so I understand what you're saying in so many words is if and this is true it's just the way it is

it's just the facts if you push your book you're gonna put a shadow in a cloud on the other books that you've written that you're promoting and right and trying to it's just it's just it's just it's just the way it is it's like you know it's like these you get pigeonholed you get typecast you know where people nobody can see you as anything other than this this persona and like yeah did you ever see saved by the bell yeah right like you're never going to see it or whatever fuck yeah what's that kid's name um screech yeah he died what over he overdosed yeah i mean like you're never going to see screech as anything but scre you're never going to see uh what was the guy um ensigno man what was in seno man that's all i see is erkel yeah whenever you see

that's an all the one what about insino man what was the guy in insino man um But you're, but, Polly Shore. Pauli Shore. You're never going to see. Polly Shore, he can't, he can't, even if he was an amazing actor, which he's not. But if he was, you could never put him in anything. Like a romantic movie. Yeah, legitimate. Like James Bond.

Yeah, right? Yeah. People will laugh at him. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't matter how amazing is. Yeah. So your reasoning is very, right. So nobody.

So you get these all the ones and then you get done with what you're doing and then bang. Right. And then by then I've learned how to do the process. Right. By going through these, you know, any mistakes I make, I'll make on your story. Right. His story or that guy's story. Yeah, I would do the same thing.

Right. And then when you go to do yours, you can bypass all the bullshit. Not signing that again. Yeah, yeah. We've already went through that one. 18 months. You're crazy. Who plays Matt Cox?

Who's going to play you? Yeah, who would you want to cast? I won't accept anybody taller than five foot six. So who would, uh, Colin Farrow? He's too tall. He'd have to stand in a hole the whole time. What about Colin Farrow? It's not tall.

Colin Farrow has got to be like six foot tall. No, he was going to play Joey. He was going to play Joey Molino in the movie. What about Matthew McConae? He's fucking tall. It doesn't... Colin Farrow, let's find out how tall it is. We don't need to get on the phone, Matt.

We have a computer right there. Okay. Colin Farrell, but he's at least 5.10. No, he might be 5.10. But he's not... 510. I don't even think he's 5. Okay, he's 5. Oh, wow.

Okay. But they can make him look... They can make, well, okay, well, Joe's five, six. Well, look at, look at Belfort's like five foot five. Yeah, and they had him. DiCaprio, six two? Yeah, he's called. Six foot two.

He's at least six foot. Yeah, I think he's, no, I think he's probably six two. Six foot. Oh, well. With a good pair of heels. He's six two. Yeah. But who would, but no, really, who would you pick to play?

I don't know. You know what's- Johnny Depp would be cool. I mean, he could play. I mean, that would be awesome again. A maniac, and he's old. Well, I was, I was in my, but you're a maniac. I was in my late 20s, early 30s when a lot of this has. You need a kid, guy that's in his early 30s, because then he can play me prior, getting started,

and he can play me when I'm up to 36, 37, because you can, in your early 30s, you can span that gap. But they also, no. Oh, nice, nice. There you go. That could be his guy right there. That's perfect for you. What is the guy from Lord of the Rings? Oh, um...

Oh, they're really... Oh, I, listen, I used to get that all the time. Oh, boy. That guy? No, no, not Lord of the Rings. I'm sorry. You're thinking, um... The little fucker.

Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones. Yeah. He could play it, though, Matt. He's skinnier than you, and he definitely... Come on, don't, don't... When you see the real Matt, you have panties dropping everywhere. There he is, a little tiny guy right there.

down right there yeah oh yeah remember he was in the other oh yeah all right okay so that's who's gonna play you what's his fucking name who cares for is that man so mean there you go you can play him well you're taller than i'm and better looking at him it's a win i'm not playing he's playing me you want him to be a little taller him a little better looking they don't have a no because because you got the good story so then when they go to the real person, they're like, damn, this Matt Cox is a good-looking motherfucker. He looks like he's 26. Oh, my God.

All right. What about Jack Black? You could have Tom Cruise play? Jack Black? Wow. That's... There you go. I mean, Billy Crystal. Why are you picking these guys who are like 60, 70 years old? Like, who's an upcoming actor? What about an upcoming?

Who was the guy that was in Split? I don't know. The English guy. He was also in Wanted. I don't know. I have no idea. Kevin Hart can play. Play white face. Yeah.

He could do it in a white face. He could pull with Sammy Sosa. Have you seen him? No. He's changed his... Look how short. Look at how tall she is. Yeah, she is tall.

Well, he's... What do you say it was? Five seven? Six. Oh, five seven. Five seven. Yeah. There you go.

So Tom Cruise plays... He's too old. He's in his late 50s. No, but look at the guy. First off, he has... He has an agent. He looks the same now as he did in the one room. It's because of Dianetics.

It's because of Dianetics. That science bullshit. Scientology. Now it's called a ton of Botox plastic surgery. No, they just. There's a younger guy, Jesse Eisenberg. Absolutely not. Are you serious?

Why, he's five for seven. You possibly think that he looks anything like me. I mean, if you curve is a little curlier. But they got computers now. I don't care? They can change it. They did it in. What about him?

That's, he's good. I'll go with him. Dave Franco. Dave Franco. Dave, give Matt Cox a call. He's got some serious fucking eyebrows, though. I mean, we can trim the eyebrows. All right.

All right. So Dave Franco, it is. That's who it's going to be. You're Dave Franco and your book. All right. So that... Dave Franco's me. How are you getting this to refuse?

Dave Franco is... Playing me. Playing you... In the book. Based on your book. Based on my book. Thank you. Hey, did you ever think about posting the, uh, the, um, the,

manifest or synopsis or whatever of war dogs like like no I can bro you're trying to get me sued I don't fucking get me sued I can't write a book if you put a gun to my head so yeah but you're gonna get me sued I can't be

you get sued because you put your own script up my own I don't know if I could but I I feel like I could we gotta we gotta do this we gotta get me we got to get me no no clue what he could possibly be doing right now okay so we gotta get

Instagram live video? What's he doing? We could do the... It could be anything. We could do... Look, so there's Tommy. Hello. There's Tommy.

So this is... I can put this on my YouTube channel. Okay. But you're saying... Go ahead. Do whatever you want. I'm going to do it. And then we'll put it on my YouTube because we're live on YouTube.

We'll put it on my YouTube. And I get... You get the monetization from my channel. Listen, none of my videos make any money. So it doesn't... doesn't matter. Okay. So I don't care what you do. Ben Stiller as Matt. He looks more like Ben Stiller. There you go. Ben Stiller. That's our, that's our discussion right now. We're going to slide this over here. So Ben Stiller is going to play Matt in his book, Sharking the Housand Pool. This is how I should do. You know, Ben Stiller just did this crazy thing on National Geographic. He went and he hiked with this guy on National Geographic. Did you see that? No. He went with this crazy guy on National Geographic that goes all over the place, like mountains, like fucking crazy mountains. And, rocks and climbing on the edge of the, you know, you slip, you're done for. Right.

I mean, I'm sure with Ben Stiller, there was nests down there that you just can't see on the house. No, they probably had a wire and a helicopter hovering about it. Like a good fucking wire, right, coming down. But he was shitting himself doing it. It was pretty good. All right, so we'll switch to Ben Stiller. Ben Stiller is going to play me in Shark in the Housing Pool. Yeah, we'll give him a call tomorrow.

I like it. I like it. We'll give him a call tomorrow. Why is he too old? Because I was in my early thirties. How many times I got to tie you? You're going to say computers and Botox. No.

All right. No. You don't even fucking need the Botox because they have the computers that can make you look younger. This is actually not a bad setup. Like if you had the camera, like right here, you could do a whole podcast just like if we were sitting closer together. Yeah. That's how I could do a whole podcast. Instead of doing switching from camera to camera and spending $100,000 on editing and all this stuff, this guy, we can lose him.

Let's get rid of. We got to get rid of this guy. He's the problem. Matt's got me out of here. Well, I've changed. quite a few times and listen to these stupid ideas that you just gave me and what are you talking about every single idea i've given you has improved your joe rogan okay your you're badly done counterfeit joe rogan really the joe rogan's not even joe rogan okay he keeps switching now

now how many times how many setups can even three or four he's working on another one now it's already changed that happens but okay but now you told me to make it dark really man really Bro, how many more lights Can you get in here? Look at this place. It's ridiculous. Jack Black. Are you saying Jack Black?

How am I going to be Jack Black? Bro, look at me. He's lost a lot of way, Jack Black. You know what? Now I want him to be Jack Black. Jack Black. Hey. Now, you know what you could be?

Is the fucking, who's some big, ugly, dirty motherfucker? They want Jack Black to play me in Shark in the Housing Pool. Which is my movie that's not being made. There's no movie being made. Well, John. Taylor Thomas? There you go. Yeah, yeah.

They could age him. I'd rather you they age someone than get somebody old and try and make them look younger. Because whenever they do that, it's absolutely affordable. What about Elijah? Horrible. No. You're better looking at him. I mean, he's...

You can't win with you. First, I try to throw Johnny Depp out of you. He's crazy. Okay, well... Johnny Depp's like in his late 50s. It doesn't matter. Don't you understand what computers can do? Do you not understand?

What was the last, Rob, what was the last movie that De Niro came out with, with all of them? It was all of them. It was the Irishman. The Irishman. They made them look younger by computers. They didn't, and he still looked old. You know what he looked like? He looked like somebody that was old that they tried to make him look younger.

Okay, but by the time you actually come out with your movie, they'll be able to do it. So you want to spend half a million dollars on computer animation? I don't think so. I think you just get a guy who's in his, In his 30s, in his early 30s. Look how chunky was his name got. Emilio Estabez. He used to have a career.

What happened to him? I think he's been drinking a lot of things. What's he doing now? Well, his brother, one of his brother's Charlie Sheen. Yeah, look at this. Look at this guy. Who the fuck is that? Who?

I don't know if this is him. Johnny Galecki. This guy. I don't know. I've seen him. Yeah, I don't remember what show. Yeah. The Big Bank Theory. There you.

Oh, yeah. My girlfriend loves the Big Bang Therap. People love that fucking show. Yeah. It's a pretty funny show. I was watching it last night. Is it funny? I never watched the whole episode. It is, you know, the problem is that it's kind of like it's, it's like intellectual, kind of smart humor. So you wouldn't get a lot of it. But I enjoy it. Yeah. Now, did you like the one with, I call it the ball breaking mat. I call it that. There's nothing in your teeth. You don't have to keep looking.

I was, I was smiling at myself because this is running. We're video. We're at almost to five minutes. Oh, my God. It's great. This is content. So we're almost at about the time, the amount that you do your videos. What are they? Seven minutes, 15 minutes?

Well, listen, I don't have a stockpile of funds to pay people. You just film yourself getting a cup of coffee. Right, exactly. Absolutely. There's nothing wrong with that. As long as it tastes good, I guess it's all right. Listen, I'm building a fan base. But really, Matt, on that painting thing, you could really go to the next level of it.

I'm working on it. I'm working on it. If I could find my, I want to show you this painter that, like I said, he's extremely good, but you're just as good in 75, 150K, a clip on paintings. And he's just as good, you know, I mean, no doubt about it. Yeah, we definitely have to pull him up. Yeah, I'll find him. There's a guy Jason Skelton, Skelding in Tampa.

He's actually pretty good, too. I mean, he's super good, really, very. I'll turn him so on quick just to pull it up. David Spade. Nah, he can't play. Are you guys, are, you know, really, it's just, it's just mean-spirited. Oh. He's trying to get the movie, man.

He's typed in short actors and we're finding somebody to fit your, you said five, how old tall are you, 5-10? 5-10, I cut off my left arm to be 5-foot-10. Talking about? 5-6, I'm 5-7 with a good pair of shoes. 5-5-foot heels. Well, nice, nice. All right All right

Plenty Plenty here Yeah I want to show you this artist I don't care How long it takes What's his name? Yeah

J-U-S-T-Y-N F-A-R-A-N-O Got it Yep That's him So All sports stuff right Yeah

That's him really cool guy by the way really cool guy so he does all these paintings he does interviews with griffy and all that that's something i think that's okay but uh go to his uh shop and just you know pick whatever football so uh just pick on that click that tom brady so you can't see it in person but that's 15k right there 15k right there yep and you know that And go to, you know, original oil painting, 120, okay. I mean, and you're just as good, Matt. You know what I mean?

But big shout out to him. Yeah, he's doing oil paintings, too. I do acrylic. So you can do, you can get a way better result in, as far as portraits are concerned with oils. Yeah. I mean, he's. He's great.

He's phenomenal. Yeah, he's really good. And a very, very nice guy, too. Yeah. Go back. But, yeah. But, again, you know, like I was talking to him, I took him five years right there. I took him five years to, not five years.

He started in 2005. And I took him shit until, I think, three years ago, he just started blowing up and getting huge. So. but do it Matt I'm working on it now do you have a website for your paintings or just contact you so if somebody wants a painting just go to your Instagram or YouTube or like how does somebody get a hold of you for that I have an Instagram it's it's uh Cox Pop Art yeah just go back to that even though we were there just so you can see it uh playing all the

one of him doing it real quick real fat that's about it but just uh I see your mom here that kid one's pretty cool play that one no that's that's a Maryland Monroe no to the left it was oh I don't know it keep going up go up I mean that's the the videos right right that's a video click that one now what would this now when you go to sell these what's the average price range like 800 to a thousand as long is it's it's one person like if it's a three foot by four foot painting and it's one person that's about what it and if i were to go to order today like say i say i want um we'll just say joe rogan right and i

give you the picture that i want uh how long would it take for me to get for you to do it and get it at this point could be two weeks to a month delivered in two weeks to a month no finished two weeks to a month now i'm about like i've got a ton of paintings like you know i charge too little but it keeps me busy so I'm constantly having money coming in if I were to you know I'm going to start putting stuff in galleries but you know it takes it takes time

yeah yeah takes time for them to sell so you put them up and you got to expect that you're it's going to sell but it's going to be it's going to be two to three months before it sells right you can sell it for something like these should be going between three to five thousand easy and but you have

to wait you got to be willing to wait you know three months right I can't wait in three If I were to paint a bunch of paintings in a month and not sell them, you know, I don't have enough, I don't have enough in reserves. Now, right here, that's a different channel than your true crime. Am I right? Right, I have a true crime channel. Okay, now click on that one. And now this is all of your art stuff, correct? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. So, and now you can just type in Cox Pop Art. That's Cox Pop Art, and then you have Inside True Crime, which is... Which will all be in the description. Go back to that. subscribe to that for him to his thing just subscribe to it there yeah so you got a book on the way hopefully because that sounds like a good book you're still doing uh working with boziac on right on his thing that he's got going on yeah we're waiting for that um you got the true crime you're back to post it

again you're back with your girlfriend the life isn't over and i was right that she that it wasn't over you're right for now for now but she'll change her mind again when i walked in on i Sorry, I knew that you were back together. Look, she's dating a guy that's... I'm 18 years older than her. Oh, get the fuck over that shit. I mean, I'm an old man. Who gives a fuck?

What is going on, and my eyes are crying. It doesn't matter. He mentioned breaking it with my girlfriend. I started crying. Good, good. Well, why don't you play that out all the way? Instead of half of the... Listen.

Look at him open a bottle order so you could... For what? Do you want me to, like, blade this for you? so you look real good for the girl. Bladed it? Like, final cut, I can blade it. So then you could put water on your eyes. I guess something in my eye, man.

I'm trying to help you out with the fucking girl. That's, listen, I don't know. Who knows what's happening with this chick? She's killed. You know what's happening is that you two love each other and your minds are crazy? I mean, I'm... And this is going to go on forever. You guys aren't breaking up.

You'll probably end up together forever because you're completely opposite. One guy's a nutcase fraudster, uh, narcissist. fucking ADHD maniac that, you know, is on a computer and YouTube, and then his girl, his, had a dairy joint. No, no, she didn't work there anymore.

Now she's a... Was she built in houses? No. I mean, with all due respect and I respect it. And I can't swing a hammer. No, she's almost finished graduating from, to be a marine mechanic.

A marine mechanic. Yeah. There's a more technical name for it, but basically she's a marine mechanic so and she's working as a marine mechanic right now okay so she fixes engines that's what she does she fixes car car not car engine she fixes boat engines and oh bro she's yeah she's tough as it's just funny because it's not like she just like you put like like a cabinet together this girl's working on engines oh you should see her you should listen so you got you got you got matthew peacocks you know the mortgage guy now now a phenomenal artist i mean phenomenal One of the best I've ever seen.

You're going to blow up on that. In five years, if you keep out of it, you are going to be on a whole nother level with this art. You got the true crime thing that you always said you were going to do. And then you have people around you that you wrote books on that you're selling that's working, that you're getting people connected with big deals, some that we can't talk about.

Or I don't know if I can talk about it, but I'm not going to talk. I didn't say anything. But listen, at some point, at some point, I'm going to come out and it's going to be like, bang, right? Right, right? Like I thought five years ago, I'm laying in my bunk thinking about trying to pull this off and then I pull it off. That's an amazing story. I say five years that happens.

If you keep at it. I got to wait five years? I think to get to. I was thinking a year from now. I'm back here in a year from now and I got a couple things going. I'm not, no, I'm not saying you want to have a couple things going. I'm saying to where you pop, three to five years to where you're popping, popping. I can wait.

Yeah. I was supposed to get out of prison in 2030. I got time. I can goof around for the next. I can goof around until 2030. I'm still ahead of the game. As long as you keep the dedication to that art, that's what's going to, I think that's what's going to be the thing.

And then you'll probably just do the true crime and whatever for fun or for play money. Because the art will be the one where you're selling that Pacino up there for 75K. That will be your money. Actually, it's a good chicken Pacino, right? That is a good Pacino. That is good. And I painted that for a lawyer. Yeah.

that I would go to that matter of fact everything up there went to lawyers really yeah that these two on the side so the the Maryland and the Elvis

went to a lawyer and the one in the middle went to a lawyer I think those are the only lawyer like I don't know I think that Elvis one is probably the best one you did in my opinion

and that blue bubble gum girl which we didn't I didn't see it on your Instagram yet it's on there is it yeah before before we we get done with it. Pull up his

Instagram again because did you saw the bubble gum girl? I've sold 16 of them. Okay. Because I've been

you know that's one that I did a modified screen print of. Yeah but where's the blue one at though? Oh no no I didn't put that one out.

Okay so for the people watching he has this in blue. Oh I have it blue, yellow I'll get them to post the different colors up. Green. Yeah.

Magenta. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that one and the Elvis are the coolest ones. and the Pacino now

and the business guys are good Oh, see this guy here See the guy with the angry baby That guy? Yeah That guy's name is Robert Smith Robert Smith is a maniac Like he's wants me to do

The bubble gum girl He wants me to do it Three foot by four foot He's like I'll send you $900 right now I'm like man it's gonna be like $300 to ship it I'll pay for shipping right now

And I'm like bro It's like a month away I'll pay more money now. I'm like, no, no, you have to wait. You know, he calls me, he works during the day. He works at night. Yeah. So he'll call me at 2 o'clock in the morning.

He'll send me text messages. He'll get, or he'll be. That's good, though. He's driving me nuts. So. Super nice. Do you see the shirt he's wearing? That looks like Matt.

That's my shirt. And it says, I have a fine art. I have a degree, or I have a fine arts degree. That is Matt with the full-blown Joker face that I make him do every time on the show. Right? Do it good for the camera. Do it, do it.

I mean, that is 100%. It's me. That is 100%. He loves that painting. He has that painting for his, you know, the little, your little picture that you put, what did they call it? Like profile picture? He has the painting. That's funny.

He wants me to paint another. He's got like three paintings who wants me to paint. So no matter how much somebody pays you, you won't push him ahead? I mean, look, if you came and said 10 grand. Money will do a lot. And there's Bozziak. Oh, yeah. The fuck's he painting.

What's up, Johnny? He's painting... I don't know. Yeah, yeah. He sold that thing for like three, four hundred bucks. Good for him. What's you paint with the same? Oh, no, he's painted with acrylic.

Like, you know, unless you're doing a... Unless you're going to do, like, a portrait or something, there's no reason to use oil paints. I mean, they stink, they take days to dry, the cleaning, it's, oh, there's, see, this one right here on the right, this one, right, click on that one, that's a, that's, I love that, that's one of my favorite paintings. This is one of your favorites? Yeah. Yeah, I think the screamer, what I called it. Yeah, I would, I actually painted.

that for myself. And then some guy came along and offered me like, I forget what he offered me like, 800 bucks or something. And I was like, my rent was due. And I'm sorry, how big are these? That's three foot by four foot. It was like 400. It was like 300 bucks to ship it to them. And how long this one, from the beginning to finish, how many days? I know you're doing other shit. A couple days. Yeah. I mean, look, you're still basically. Like a week maybe? Maybe like 10 hours, 10 hours, but you've got to drag it out. I mean, like, if I order... It drags out.

Okay, say you have no orders right now, right? I order right now. From now until the time it gets shipped, average, how long would you say? And I'm asking that... Couple weeks, two, three weeks. All right. I'm asking out of just a personal,

just how long it actually takes. So you got all that going on? Anything else you want to push? I mean, no. You'll be back soon enough, so... You know, these tears, my butt hurts. They shouldn't. well they do do they hurt you do they hurt your butt no that's why i bought them well actually i just

followed joe rogan's uh of course i wonder i wonder if they hurt joe rogan's butt that's maybe maybe you need to work out more joe rogan if you're watching this i do i do need to maybe maybe i haven't been doing because well you weren't pitching last time about your ass when you were in here my ass was not probably as bony maybe it's getting bony i could ask my my girlfriend you've been in here five times. I think it hurt last time. No, you would. Oh, no, no, no. Probably I would have let me know. I'm probably too polite to say anything. No, no, no, no. You would

have let me know, my man. You would have let me know loud and clear, just like you did now. All right, Matt. Well, the next time you're here, we will be in a much bigger studio and better off. So, you're not going to do another one of these? No, not in here. But when you go back? Right now? You don't want to do another one?

So I'm leaving? We're done. Get out. we're done nice i'm going to interview you i'm going to interview you on my thing you're a funny guy why can't i interview you i'll think about it we'll go over to the we'll go over to the other uh where i'm moving we'll see how much work you can help me with and then are you are is that what you guys are well i'm going to go measure some things it doesn't how you can hit it punch it i have another one in the closet if you break it i back up for everything because i break everything so by uh matt's all

carx pop art by by a book you know i got everything on on audible you got on audible yeah i've got like three i got like four books on audible uh go to amazon dot com and uh audible uh and you can see all of his books because uh i have all the times you've been in here i i didn't even know some of the books that you wrote when i went to your website yeah there so the shark it's insanity uh we have that video and then we have a document video to back up everything that he said in the book Insanity because it is insane and you do need to see the documents it would be Matthew Cox I don't know what that stuff is because when you read it you can't even believe that it's actually true it's Matthew Cox B there you go oh the

program we got it's insanity the program both programs great it's insanity we've got what else we have did anything else oh look at that bent once a gunrunner showed up those yeah never even heard once a gunrunner What do you mean? We just talked about war dogs. That's the war dogs. That's his book. Oh, you named the, okay.

That's his memoir. Oh. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Bent, so listen to Bent. Bent, I just bought the, I just obtained the publishing rights to Bent. Awesome. Change the cover design, and probably in a week or so, the new one will be up.

And I'm going to do an audible on Bent. So the new one will be on Amazon? Yeah. It'll be on Amazon and then we're going to do a, then I'll do an audible too. So it'll be on Audible and Devil Exposed, which is another book I wrote. Yeah. Devil Exposed is going to be on Audible too. The guy's already done it.

I haven't had time to go through it and edit it, but I will. Okay. So really, though, that's, yeah, that's big. The Audible is big. Yeah, Audub people love Audible. Yeah. So his books are on Audible and you can buy them on Amazon, check them out. They're all good.

Not one that I've read is bad. And there's, like I said, there's a bunch of. I didn't even know you wrote a couple of these. Do you do the voice? No, I don't, but I can't read. You don't want to hear me read. Like, it would be horrible. Everybody's like, no, well, all you just, these guys, like, they get excited.

They don't understand. Yeah. They're like, no, but you just, all you got to just look at the page and then tell us what's on the, is it. Calm down, bro. People are reading, they're, it's not audible because they want someone to read what's written. Right. And it would take me reading that several times before I could probably get it right. and it's a 300-page book.

That's what I was just going to say. Right. What are you doing? You're going to beat yourself up trying to get through 300 pages. It's not going to be right. You're going to go back and hate it. Right. And then you're going to end up going to the guy to have to do it anyway.

Because remember I asked you that because you have a good voice. And I can tell my story. And I forgot of the situation. You know what I mean? You know, I'm sorry to hear that. But it's obviously not affecting your, you know, what you can do. You know, what's funny is, it's funny. that like this is showing the audible the audible screen see these are the

audible covers yeah but it's not showing the shark in the housing pool audible I need to change my well right there are other formats audible king can oh yeah yeah okay okay yeah that's just short like I need to change my I need to change my um yes he's good the guy that does it it's good yeah yeah you can play that This is Sean. That's what I noticed a male and female in my apartment or not to close gateways.

I felt a twin to a bed and not had him paid my rent. They turned to read and the male employee locked eyes on me which sparked a frantic conversation between the pair. Never a good sign. I appeared to be just another clean-cut businessman. a Rolex and Dulcea and Gabana. Tulsa. Tell the motherfuckers,

Tulsa and Gabana. On the U.S. Secret Services Most Wanted Fugitives list. I built some of America's biggest financial institutions out of millions of dollars. He built fake online. He does sound good.

He does sound good. Yeah, it's good. So who's he doing? He's doing bent right now? No, not right now. He just finished Devil Exposed and I have to listen to it and make any edits.

I just haven't had time. I mean, you've got to think it's 10 hours of listening. Yeah. You got to, when do you block that off? And that, not to mention the... That's devil-exposed. Yeah, and that's... And that's not to mention the editing or anything else that you have to do.

Well, the book is, the book is up. Yeah. So I have an abridgment, and I have a full-length book. The full-length book isn't up, but the full-length book is the one that's going to be edited. Or, I'm sorry, going to be on Audible. This should blow up eventually. Yeah, it's funny because, like, it doesn't sell, like, it's not selling, like, my book, but it's like every other day, one of them selling, two selling. It's like, I always think, I don't advertise.

That's what I'm saying. Like, who's buying? Like, people are, there was one time when there was a whole, like, suddenly there was, I don't know, like 15 or 20 sold within like two days. And I thought, what, like, I wasn't doing anything. Like, what, what happened? Like, did QAnon get a hold of it or something? Yeah, yeah. Like, somebody mentioned it on a tweet?

Yeah. Like, what happened for like a split second? It was like a little spike. Yeah. So, I mean, imagine if you had time to push these. Which you will over the time. If I had time and money to push them, it'd be great. Yeah.

It's all just a matter of things. You're a very talented guy, man. Very talented guy. I told you what happened with Facebook when I did the, because the jacket cover has Robert Mueller on it? I'm sure they got with it. You can't promote. Like, yeah, would not let me promote. They took it down.

I can't promote either. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like, what do you do? Like, you couldn't. explain there's nobody to there's nobody to write an email to there's no it's like nope boom okay well what if you're wrong yeah well there's nobody to contact yeah when you're done you're done you're done until they have a competitor and you know who that competitor is going to be no apple

they're they've already got patent it's out the ass for uh social media platform and if you read nine to five mac or mac rumors uh they think 2023 it'll be ready and it will be basically uh like an Apple Facebook, right, without the censorship shit, within reason, you know, if you go in... No, you start, you're talking about the KKK and lynching people that's going to be an issue. Meaning where you can say, like, you could post this and it's not, it's not censored within reason. They're not tracking you. They're not doing this. And it's a unbelievable marketing move by Apple because their ecosystem is so huge. All of this is going on now. So as the phone marketing. it starts to die down because it's kind of the same phone every year.

It's a little bit better. But... How much more can you do? Yeah. I mean, you know, you're going to make it thinner. You're going to make the chip faster. But it's coming to kind of like a... This is where we're at.

The next level is going to be like a hologram phone, right? So now they come out and they hit the social media platform. Well, everybody's bitching about Facebook and everything else. So now Apple comes out. They already have their ecosystem. Right. So now what does that do? that pushes the people that aren't with Apple to Apple

and grows their ecosystem even more. And anybody in their ecosystem is obviously going to go on it. And I'm sure they'll make it like you have to have like an iCloud to be able to sign up for that social media platform. A hologram mat coming at your phone. Of course they will. You know what I mean? Tommy has a huge prediction.

He's talking all about Apple and stuff. No, I don't know. It's going to be made. I'm ready to sign up. I'm signing up. Listen, I want, listen, I want to because Facebook won't let me advertise myself. Just go. They shut me down.

They shut him down. Just go read. Facebook. Done. Mac Roomers in 9 to 5. Just go through the thing. You'll see that there's a bunch of patents that they put out, but they put a million patents on every day. But this is, they're going to.

I mean, they'd be crazy not to do it. And now that ecosystem blows up beyond belief. I'm ready to go. Let's do it. And if you're Apple, you make them, you have to have an ICloud. yeah you know billions and then they

rock the house you know yeah yeah yeah so get Matt's books or audibles on Amazon or audible get his paintings you can hit him up on

pop art or come what do you have a Cox pop art yeah it's Cox pop art yeah and then you got your true crime and everything will be in the description and thank you again for coming in Matt and next time when you're here we'll be in a bigger studio and you can't bitch

you have less to bitch about I feel like I'm not pitching at all you've done very well today yeah he was good this you were on point today you know why because he got his girl back he got the girl back he got see what

see what he can do to you does she cook for you she does cook so she still cook like you know a little I'm just really come over she works all the time and she's at school all the time she you know the problem

Matt the microphone's like right there She can't break up with me because she doesn't have time to break up with me. The moment she gets a little bit of time on her hand, she'd be like, I'm cutting this dude loose. Just look at it as quarterly taxes, quarterly taxes. Quarterly taxes. We're done. We're wrapping this up.

Quarterly taxes fucking breakup, right? But see, look, he's got the oomfinite step because he got the pussy and the girl back. He's got the oomfinite step. He's two stepping all the way right now. You were on point. I've never seen him just calm. I remember the one, Tommy. had me cut the one

before we did had this whole system remember yeah cut the clips and I said to Tommy I said holy fuck but Matt was on point

he got his girl back and he's getting pussy again this will last don't worry by the time he's back in when we have everything moved maybe in a month he'll be back

to zizz zuz I still love the motherfucker though and he's a beast a very talented guy and he's always been very nice to man

I appreciate it so thank you again Matt all right joker all right all right oh my God

you'll be back as soon as we get everything moved. Thank you very much. All right. See you.