Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Con Men Expose Elizabeth Holmes $4 Billion Fraud Case

Episode Date: February 3, 2022

Elizabeth Holmes guilty of 4 counts of fraud, acquitted of 4 in Theranos trial...

He said, I don't really think she's hot. Well, she's not like, if you see her on the streets, I don't think she's a head turner. But once you find out her, there's something sexy about criminal women. Yeah, well, you know? Listen, the turtlenecks do nothing for me. They won't judge you. No, of course, that's a big plus. But the turtlenecks do nothing for me.

I don't know. That's what you should show, throw her in one of the turtlenecks up here. Yeah, or maybe matter of a turtlenex. Hey, it's, it's, uh, that's, uh, what's your name? Matt Cox. Matt Cox. It's Matt Cox. It's Matt Cox with one. And, um, we're doing, uh, I was so much, I was way. This is why we don't do podcast in the afternoon. Wait, I need coffee. Yeah, me too, bro. You want to, you want to take a cut and get some coffee? Oh, listen, on her best behavior right now. Let me tell you something. The last two weeks, best, best, girlfriend around last two weeks. By the way, it's because I'm here. No, no.

You see her for two weeks. You will see her today now. I'm saying, right now, no, no, that's nothing. Bro, she's been amazing. It's going to stop. I know at some point she's just going to be like, all right, you've, we've done that. We've done enough of this. Like I've paid my penance.

You know when he's going to stop? Oh, my God. We're done. That's horrible. You know when it's going to stop when she figures out, right now what she's doing is she's measuring. How bad she can treat you. and get away with it. So you'll see a slow process.

How bad. Of course, because right now she's doing everything, right? And then she's going to stop, like, one thing at a time. Yeah, yeah. Like, let me see. No doubt. Can I, like, not serve him the coffee? And then she's going to be like, well, can I, like, leave toothpaste on the sink?

And then sooner or later, eventually everything is going. She's not a savage. I mean, what are you, toothpace on the sink? What are you doing? Who are you dating? Well, I'll tell you what, in a couple of weeks, you'll come and tell me, you know what she just did? Bro, toothpaste from the sink.

You said, she left. toothpaste on the sink. Yeah. She's not speeding in the toilet. She's speeding on the sink. Spitting in the toilet. Like the prison, you spit in the toilet? She's not spitting the toilet. She's been in the sink. So anyway, she's being sitting down. Oh, I guess she has to be sitting down. Oh, listen,

she leaves the toilet. She leaves the toilet seat up. So you already went through a couple of times. I was like, what are you doing? No, wait, like, I fell in the thing. In general, it's like, I'm like, I was raised by, listen, all women. So you don't leave the toilet. You don't say. You say?

she has all brothers you don't say so anyway all right listen back to Elizabeth Holmes back to the beginning did we have that intro done already

yeah no that one worked okay intro yeah the intro is fine all this is good yeah let's move on all right so Elizabeth Holmes who ran

Theranos medical whatever said Theranos or he said Theranos like I pronounced it no you pronounced it wrong it's Theranos so Theranos

she I'm sure everybody knows that Theranos basically she started this company she said that she was going to come up with this it actually started as like some kind of a patch that monitored you all the time and then it turned into blood monitoring um it was a blood monitoring machine where you could take a little bit of blood it'd run like 200 and some odd different uh tests with with almost no blood and and then it would give you the result it was super inexpensive and anybody could do it and and so she got she started

getting investors more and more investors and she dropped out of stanford So she graduated, right, didn't graduate Stanford, started getting all of these investors and people started dumping money in a lot of money. I think like Express, I think the Clintons had money in it. Also, God, what was that general? General Mad Dog Mattis. He's got some great quotes.

He's got, and then she, was it like Kissinger or somebody? Anyway, there was a bunch of. She was worth $4 billion at the peak of the, ridiculous. Of the scam. Right. And so if you watch there's a bunch of documentaries about her, and they talk about how, like, she's just blatantly lying to different investors. I read the book is phenomenal.

Oh, you read, there was a book? Yeah, I read it in. Bad blood? Yeah, bad blood. Well, I saw, I've seen like two or three documentaries. And yeah, it was just, you know, she's lying. She's saying that these people are backing her. She's saying that they're currently the U.S. military's using the equipment.

I mean, it's all kinds of ridiculous shit. Yeah. Oh, it was it, was it Biden that actually went and looked at the, the laboratories, the state of the art laboratories when he was when he was just vice president. And I heard she used to have like these meetings and she would like these guys

her voice like this. Yeah, she was some kind of a... Yeah, she started wearing turtlenecks so she, more like Steve Jobs, people started comparing her Steve Jobs. It was odd. There was even a couple interviews where she accidentally drops the whole baritone. But notice how they say in that intro

that she faces up to 20 years. Yeah, that killed me. But they're not saying up to 20 years per count. I think they do at some point. They do. They do mention per count. But they never say, like, with me, they were like, 350 years.

Like, they added all the counts. How many years did you actually get? 26 years? 26 years and four months. Okay. Yeah. With her, they're saying, like, up to 20. Like, I guess, it's almost like the media is,

like, preparing people to say, hey, it's up to 20 years. But the truth is, like, someone like me, they stacked all the counts. I mean, she was still found guilty. four accounts she could get 20 years per count yeah she could get 80 years like but they're not saying that how much time you think she's going to get i think she's going to get about between 25 and 30 yeah i was thinking 25 i was thinking like 25 and 30 like 30 um yeah i mean you know look here's here's the thing and i get this actually jess and i were uh were talking about that this the other day

where it's like my come this is normal it's okay she's like anytime i she's she's she's she she's here's my name. She's like, hey, hey, hey, don't say something crazy. So, um, but we were like, I get it. Like, if you invested your money, so if you invested, you know, for one thing, it's like, okay, 30 years, you're going to give somebody 30 years for a money crime? Like, it was just money. Do you think it's too much time? 30 years for a money crime initially makes me think that's insane. Come on, bro. You don't get murderers, you know, 30 years or rapists. You don't give tomos. Right, but wait a second now. if your 72 year old mother

had put her $2 million life savings that she has to live off of and this chick took it and pissed it away and now your mother's living in your spare room and trying to live off a social security of $1,800 a month and that doesn't even cover her medical her prescriptions

now you want to kill this chick how many people want to kill you Matt that have their mothers living in their attic I've only got I mean so I've got I could only think of two people that really want to do harm to me. One is a guy named, uh, uh, uh, does Dr. Brown. He, he can't stand me. He was like, seriously, like actually could not be in, when I was being sentenced,

didn't want to be in the courtroom, didn't want to testify or be in the courtroom because he literally was saying, like, if I'm in the courtroom and I see this guy, I will physically attack him. So he, I don't know if he wants to kill me, but certainly wants to do great bodily harm. What kind of, what kind of doctor is he, by the way? We weren't that close. I don't know. You don't do research on your victims?

No, he was just a mark. I had to convince him to sell me his house. I mean, how hard is that? I got the money. So I'm convinced him to owner finance the house. That wasn't hard. So that guy doesn't like me. And the only other person is like that wants to kill me is like, Jess.

Jess's his ex-boyfriend. Other than that, so that's two guys, two people that want to kill me. That's it. Both victims of your... Both victims. Or the victims of your many crimes, one a financial crime, the other one a crime of passion. It's love, bro. What am I going to do?

I'm in love. I mean, I'm sorry. Oh, my God. Put some peptobismol in my coffee. You know what bothers me the worst? You know what really bothers me? What's really been eating at me, and I haven't mentioned it, is that Jess is a friend of Jess who's watched videos of me and then met the ex-boyfriend said, these guys are absolutely the opposite of one another.

Now here's the problem. Everything about her ex-boyfriend is extremely masculine and manly. So what are you saying? What exactly are you saying? Like, she, I was like, what does that mean? She's, you know, you're just opposite. Like, what does that mean?

She's, you know, you're just different. Well, what do you mean different? She's like, he said opposite. She's like, yeah, opposite. I'm like, well, what does that mean? What do you mean? She's, I don't know, baby. I don't know what he meant exactly.

Just you're just different. She didn't want to say it. What did she tell you? See, I don't know. I don't know. You sit here, let me do your nails. Yeah. Yeah. Let me do your nails and relax. Come here, baby. Come on, Jess. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you. Nice. Thank you. Thank you, Jess. You're amazing. Oh, see, right, but boom. Yeah. So much for the equipment. So let's go. What is it? Oh, coffee ground. See? You want to complain? You want to complain? You want to complain? You want to.

complain already? She gave you coffee, but you know what I'm saying? Listen, this is... This is how it started. What did I tell you? Baby steps. This is the toothpaste.

Do you want a new pill? No. See? You know what it was? It was the kiffy bag you have in there. She made you kiffy coffee. For those of you that you know, kiffy coffee is what they give you in prison.

So, Elizabeth Holmes, back to her. First of all, do you think she's hot? Yes. I like psycho girls. I have any... First of all, I like blonde. girls. I hear you. And I kind of lie. I know my body's kind of, you know, whatever.

You lie? So I like, I like my, I like a day to Brunette, you say, but I'm Hispanic. You know, people, we, we like the, the, the, the, the, the white cheeks, you know, they have papers. That's always a plot. You know, I'm sure she's got papers. Huh? You know, but, uh, we talked about that too, right? Okay. About what? About me marrying for papers? No, I have a friend that is married to a guy who's like 10 years younger than I. her he's extremely handsome and she's not no she is okay no she's very attractive but and i'm gonna i'm i'm not going to i'm specific and i'm and she's like i'm like i'm like he's illegal and you're getting married it's not illegal it's undocumented god damn it's fucking americans man it's undocumented

and and and she is no no it's not about that we're in love and i'm like look i i believe your Intentant. Yeah. I'm just saying she's like, no, no, it's fine. It's fine. We're in love. And look, she, she, he makes her very happy. So, well, you have to for five years. Five. No, it's two to get his green card. But if he wants to write all this thing all the way to the finish line, he's got to get that blue passport. No. That's the promised land. No. No. No, no. Five. Yeah. No, no, I believe you. No, no. This is another discussion. It's two years to be, he's going to get his green card for two years. He's going to get his green card for two years. He's. He's. He's going to get his green card for two years. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's He thinks two years, I'm done. But he wants to write it five. I mean... Yeah. No, he's actually a very nice guy. I'm sure he's...

I'm sure... For five years, at least. Where is he from? Mexico. We're all nice people, bro. You're not nice person. Anyway, so what... So, so...

So you think she's super good-looking. Right. I have several issues with her case. I think Danny told me he didn't think she was good-looking. I think Danny from Concrete said he didn't think she was good-looking. I think Danny from Concrete said that he didn't think she was... was good looking. I don't know why. Listen, Danny. He said, he said, he said, I don't think she's not. Well, she's not like, if you see her on the streets, I don't think she's a

head turner, but once you find out her, there's something sexy about criminal women. Yeah, well, you know, listen, the turtleneckes do nothing for me. They won't judge you. No, of course, that's a big plus, but the, the turtlenecks do nothing for me. I don't know. That's what you should show, throw her in one of the turtlenecks up here, right. Yeah, or maybe Matt or not a turtle neck. Do we have a picture of you on a turtle neck that we can. I have a picture, I have the yesterday's pictures, by the way. Sometimes you got to think things through your head in your head before you say them. But I think where are the human victims? What happened to the people that she actually,

what happened? Where are the people? Like you care. Bro, how many victims do you have? This is what bothers me. I remember when when I first got indicted, I told my attorney when he showed me the victims. I don't have any victims. I have institutions. Right. I hear you. And I said, bring me my fucking victims. Where are, bring me Citibank. Right. And he said, I don't think we're going to use that argument in court because they'll send somebody.

Yeah. Dude, but there's people that got screwed by her. I'm sure there is somebody that that's what I'm saying. Dead or or super sick because they got the I guess she was telling people that they were positive for like eights and they went or yeah. They had diabetes.

Then they didn't have her. The equipment is giving false readings. The equipment didn't work from the beginning. She knew it didn't work. Right. Right. And she's borrowing money and borrowing. And she was a big believer in like fake it until you make it.

And she was pushing really hard these scientists like, hey, you have to fix this. You have to design it. And they were telling her, it's just not possible. And yet she's continually saying that the equipment's working. I've what you get Walgreens for, 200 million? I know. And then, yeah, they had to change. I don't know if it was Walgreens or CBS, but they had to change like all their shops

and all their pharmacies because they were going to put like this space for that machine. And then they would take the blood and they would take the blood and was supposed to get you the results in like an hour, 24 hours, and they would ship it out to another, to other place. To an actual lab. That actually, yeah. Have them do it come back a week later. They'd be like, I thought it was like an hour. I thought it was 24 hours.

No, no, it's a week. And it'd come back and. So my issue is more of a moral issue. You screw a hundred people. It doesn't get the coverage. but you still $39 million from some institutions and are a sudden you are an asshole. Yeah.

It's the capitalistic world we live in, bro. I want the people to have justice. Oh, my God. So what were you facing? What was the time? What was the maximum time facing? So let's educate your audience because a lot of your people have done time.

Or at least they say they have done time. You know, apparently the moment you say I've done time, everybody said, oh, I did time. I got arrested once because I was in jail for, 10 days on a DUI. I was in prison. You were in county jail. I had people that have actually told me, bro, the other day they arrested me and I spent 16 hours in there. And all I could think about was you and how tough you had it. What about Michelle? 16 hours made you think about me? When she got arrested, she's like, I got arrested and I was in there for like almost like a day.

And like I gave away all my food and like all the everybody liked me like, you know, I gave me my food and like you know when i what so when i got out i found jesus no she goes when i got out what was the first thing you ate and we it was like you didn't eat anything in prison and you're you're you're like it was like it was so cute it was super cute and i'm sure when you got out you were just eating whatever because you were hungry when i got out she went straight to mcdonald i went i went to macdonalds i went to macdonalds that's what i got i think that's every inmate's dream yeah a lot of guys guys guys were when i was in there they were You go to McDonald's, yes?

I did. See? A lot of guys were, bro, what are you going to eat? I was like, I'm going to go get a cheeseburger, fries, and a Coke. And they were like, bro, I thought you'd go like, you'd go like Ruth Christie and get some special. What? I'm like, bro, you don't, you have the wrong perception of me. Of inmates.

When you get out, you want like the junk food. You want, your standards are low. I want, and I wanted a pint of, um, a pistachio ice cream from Ben and Jerry's. Pistachio heaven, they used to call it. They don't have it anymore. but now they have it, but they don't call it Pistachio Heaven, but they still have, they call it something else, but it was, well, Coleman had ice cream.

So going back, your audience who all have done time because they're gangsters. Yeah. Everybody that gets arrested by the Feds, they all face 30 years to start. Everybody, they always tell you like, listen, you're facing 30 years. Right. That's the scary tactics. Well, and then they can, but technically, okay, they also stack the charges. So they'll tell you like, you know, you look at it 30 years,

And what they mean is, like, you've got a gun charge, which carries, you know, five years. You've got this much on for possession of this. You've got this much for them. And they start adding it up. And so technically they're not lying. If they say, you look at it 55 years. Correct. Because they were telling me, like 250 or 350 years, something ridiculous.

Yeah, if you stack up all my money laundering and. Correct. Conspiracy. I'll never see the streets. Right. Then I sign an 18-year plea from my, you know, Ricky Ricardo attorney, who told me, sign it. sign it. It'll be fine.

I play golf with the judge. You know how many fucking people? He told me that. And he said, if you sign it, you're going to show good faith. So he's going to work with you. And I said, well, make sense. He's going to see that I don't give a shit about signing 18 years. And he's going to be my friend.

Well, he wasn't my friend. No. He actually asked for the 18 in sentencing. But my PSI came down to 15 and they gave me 15 years. So, which still was a shit a lot of time. Lucky you. And I, well, listen, bro. First of all, it was, I have never broken the law before.

And I'm standing by that. No, no. You weren't she in the country illegally? No, I don't know what you're talking about. However, you were on violation or probation. Oh, no, yeah. I've committed fraud. Yeah.

Of course. So you had to, you were category two, right? I was category three because there was something called recency. So if you committed a crime while currently serving a, sentence, then they bumped you up another level. So I start at category three. So I didn't get one because I had one prior. I got two because I was one prior and had committed a new crime while serving out that sentence. So now you start at two plus the new charge three. So I was in category three. But on her case, because she went to trial, they're going to sentence her

outside of the guidelines though. I don't think they go by the guidelines when you go to trial. Didn't Pete go to trial? No, Pete pled guilty. Pit blood guilty? 35 years. No, 40, sorry, 40 years, 40 years. That's a lot of time, bro. So, I don't know. I don't think she's going to get sentenced by the guidelines.

But there is this Cuban guy case. I don't know if your audience has followed it or they even care about. My audience doesn't care about Cubans. Truck driver gets on a truck with bad brakes in Colorado. He passes one ramp, he doesn't stop. He passes another. one doesn't stop. Then his breaks go off. He kills four people. They gave him a hundred and

ten years, bro. They just got his sentence reduced to ten years because of clemency. The governor was living and he reduced his sentence. So if this guy got a hundred and ten years for killing four people with his truck, this chick should be getting a thousand years for screwing all these people. But she's not. I think she's going to get 25 years. 25 to 30. She's going to be sent to Tallahassee. No, she's not going to camps. She's going to be sent to Tallahassee,

which I think is like a low or a medium or whatever. I love that she got pregnant just before the trial. She's pregnant so that she'd be pregnant. leniency. Yeah. You're going to send her to prison pregnant? Even though they do it all the time to poor people. Correct.

Let Jessica Kent. Pregnant goes there. chained to a bed, has a baby handcuffed to the bed. Nobody cares. Spits out the kid, take the kid like a day later. And she had a kid like two years ago or a year ago. I don't know. What? Jessica can?

No. This girl. No, no, Jessica can't. Oh, what's her name? Elizabeth Holmes. Oh, she did have the kid? Okay, I didn't know that. I thought she was pregnant now.

No, no, she had the kid. Oh, okay. They waited for her to have the child so she could start her process. Nice, and, you know, breastfeed the kids. Nice. Do the whole thing. Yeah, well, it's important. You know, it's called being rich. I don't know why.

Rich, rich with somebody else's money. Isn't that how we were rich? Why are you bringing up the past? I'm just saying, I mean. So, all right. So what else are we talking about? So, we, listen, she's going to go to Tallahassee. Yeah.

She's then going to go to a camp. Can she, she's not going to go to a camp. Ever? She's going to end up her. be in a camp. If she got, she'll end up in a camp. Yeah, but I thought she meant go there directly. No. She's got to be below, what, 10 years? Is it 10 years for women to go to a camp? Yeah. And she's short time. She did like, with all the drug program and everything, she did like four years. I told her it wouldn't be, for me, it's not worth unpacking. I wouldn't

even talk about it. I wouldn't even mention that to me, that's not even, you didn't even do time. Anything under five years, that's like visitation. That's not do time. I stood in line for four years. Listen, I think I run a stop sign and I got three years. So this is what I think is going to happen. You run a stop sign now. Yeah, no, if I run a stop sign now, I'm never seen the streets again. Can she snitch? Is she going to snitch?

Does she have anybody? The only way, ask Big Herk, the only way she has to reduce that sentence is if she has somebody to snitch on. And I don't think she does because I don't think. unless you know some shit about some people, which I doubt. Well, I mean, first of all, the guy, Sunny. That's what she's niching on. Yeah, Sonny has to still go to trial.

So she's found guilty. She can cooperate against Sonny. That's right. But Sonny could also just plead guilty. Like, he already knows she's done. He's probably going to plead guilty. Is he going to get more time than she is? Is he like the head of this organization?

Because I know that's what she said on the trial. That's what she said. That she was manipulated by him. But obviously people didn't believe that. They found her guilty. They believed her defense. she would have been found guilty. So they don't believe her.

Well, I don't think they're going to give her, like, minor participation, but she's niches on Sony. First of all, she started the company. She was running the company prior to him entering the company and becoming an investor before he started running anything. So he came in later, not a lot later, but a little bit later. So she was already on this... Is he indicted already?

Yeah, he's indicted. And what are his charges? Is it lesser money than her, or is it the same amount of money or what? Well, I'm sure it's probably relevant how much money because he's so much money to begin with. For $4 billion, you know, you have to go to trial. That's another thing that the audience doesn't understand. There is a point that you're probably going to get less time going to trial than you're going to get if you plead guilty. And that's probably probably where she was at.

Donnie, oh, look at him. Indian dude, right? Yeah, he is not an attractive person. He's not. No, he's not. He's going to get a two point enhancement for that. Unbelievable. Yeah.

I mean, this had to be about the money, right? I mean, it would, like, anyway. Okay, so Elizabeth Holmes, again. I think you could put a picture of Sonny here. Yeah, not, I can't get over so bad. Okay, love sick texts between Elizabeth Holmes and her abuser, Sunny. Oh, now he's the abuser. I'm telling you, he's done.

Well, no, he would, that was her whole thing, was he was abusive. He was the one who, he abused her, he was sexually abused her, he abused her, he mentally abused her. He took, that was her whole defense was like, he's the one who had me doing this whole thing. I don't think I've ever told you a part of my story that you would be fascinated by. Maybe I did. Now that we're talking about couples. Do you know that my wife was, or my... Baldelwani.

What? Baldawani, yeah. Sonny Baldiwani. Oh, yeah. Go ahead, sorry. I'm going to post money on his account. Tell me what he's in my number is. So she's convicted of fraud.

Okay, Holmes has been convicted of, okay, fortunately. Go ahead. So you were telling me, you were telling me. That my ex-wife was the one that snitched to me. That's all the Feds found me. Yeah, I know. But she was your ex-wife, so, you know. And I've met you.

Your ex-wife is a friend of yours. My ex-wife's a gangster, bro. My ex-wife slammed the door on the feds multiple times, wouldn't talk to them. Get out of here. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know where this guy is. Fuck you. No, bro.

When I moved to New York, I didn't tell anybody. Your ex-wife's making him coffee. I didn't tell anybody. Anybody where I was leaving. Nobody. So my girls would go to New York and will stay in hotels. Right.

So they wouldn't know my address. Trusting. Yeah, well, you know, you never know. This kids, you're raising, but you never know when they turn on you, all right? So. You're telling me. Yeah.

So one day, I'm waiting for my youngest one to go to New York, and my wife goes, you know what? I'm not going to send you, Alexandra, unless you tell me where you leave. And I said, oh shit, the Feds got to her. Nice. I knew it.

So I said, listen, why do you need my address for? She goes, I don't know. Maybe to send you flowers. I said, oh, no. And now we're using humor, this is not good. I said, I'm going to tell you my address. This is my address. But, blah, blah, blah, because I wanted to see my kid.

You gave her the real address. I had to, bro. You said, you, well, how? She's not going to know any address. I give her somebody else's address. Let him kick in my next door neighbors. I'm not a frosted by career. It was just an innocent man.

So I gave her the address because I wanted to see my kids. You were laundering money for the Venezuelan government? For the drug cartels through the Venezuelan government with the highest ranking officers in the government. Yes. And I feel bad about that. But I went and I faced them. Yeah. Yeah.

No, way, way more man than me. I ain't going. I'm not going to Venezuela in the best of conditions. Especially not if somebody wants to kill me. Well, but I needed more money. So I had to go face them so I could come back and get more money.

Listen to this. Loses their money, convinces them to give them more money to get that money back. Loses that money, convinces them to give him more money to get that money back. How stupid are these people?

Look, I'm not saying anything about South Americans. It's not about stupid people. It's about a charismatic personality. Oh, God. And I have that. If I'm guilty of a crime, convict me of that.

All right, but regardless of that, so, so, dude, I don't know, by the way, I don't know that my wife is snitching on me. I just think, okay, well, listen, who knows, whatever. She sends my daughter, we spend a great time, we get out, then two months later I get arrested, right, at my apartment. And when I get down to Florida after several travels, you know, after my many travels around the prison system, the agents go, oh, by the way, your wife needs you to sign this for the travel. permit for your kids because they're going out of town for a vacation and you need to sign that. And I looked at it and I looked at him and I said,

oh, so you talk to her? And he's like, oh yeah, plenty of times. I was like, okay, let me sign this shit. I'm done. So yeah, relationships, dude, until the feds come to your house. Yeah. Unless you have

a gangster ex-wife like yours. Yeah. Well, she's Puerto Rican, so. Oh, fuck, you should have. Your ex-wife is Puerto Rican? It's 100% Puerto Rican. Mean as a fucking snake, bro. No, you have to stop with the, you had me at Puerto Rican. Okay. Yeah, I'm, they're violent. Yeah, she'll cut you. She'll cut you. Yeah. Yeah, they don't fuck around.

Yeah. You don't want to get any alcohol in her. Listen, her current husband, toughest fucking guy I've ever met in my entire life. He's doing hard time. I mean, I'd rather go back to Coleman. This dude's been down like 20-something years. With no chance to get in out. No, no. Oh, no. No, no. He's two scared. He can't snitch on anybody. He's, listen. He's, I always tell, I see, he's like a, a powerful stallion that's been completely broken. And you know what she said? She says, it's not broken,

okay? He just knows his place. Oh my God. She's, who, yeah. I can't wait until I interview Jess on my podcast. Yeah, you got to interview. And she goes to me, Matt's not broken. He just knows his place. And I'll be like, we have come full. circle. Listen, she's... Okay. But the problem is this. Let's see if we can say hi.

Is this your ex? Yeah, she won't answer. I don't think she'll answer. It's too late. What is they? She'd be scared. If she answers and I say, I want to podcast, she speaks Spanish?

Yeah. Fluid? Yeah. No shit. She's, yeah. And yet, you're a racist, according to your audience. According to my audience.

What are you talking? They always throw Zach in there. No, he has a black guy on there. No, but they say, no, but some people say, like, yeah, but he's not that black. Do you have heard those comments? I read those comments. Yeah, he's got sack, but he's not that black.

Not that black can you get. My God, he's got a felony. I think he's a burgundy. Having dinner with hubby, you okay? Hold on. Let me just tell her real quick. Should I just tell her? Hold on.

Respond. Yes, comma. I just have a friend here that wanted to talk to you real quick, period. No big deal, period. Call me as soon as you get finished with dinner. period. Give Nick my sympathies for still being married. Send it. No, I'm just going to say, give him my sympathies. My sympathies. And when he wanders. I'm going to put the laughing faces. Ha, ha, ha, ha, because otherwise she'll kill me. Okay. I love how people do, like, they do it on

your comments too on the podcast. Oh, you're a piece of shit. Laughing emoji, laughing emoji, laughing Listen, the laughing emoji doesn't make it better. No, it does. If like if it's like if it's like, it doesn't now. Yeah, if I say like if I say, you know, don't be offended, but you're a piece of garbage. Ha, ha, ha. Laughing emoji, laughing emoji. Makes it okay.

Right. In prison, you should have said like this and you're a piece of shit. Laughing emoji, laughing emoji, laughing emoji. Like I realize the way I talk to people in prison compared to way like, like you can't talk to me. Like here, it's got to be nice and everybody so it's so, you know, you got to be, hey buddy, hey, golly is how you do it. You know, in prison, like we called each other. scumbags all the time you're a fucking scumbag but man fuck you dude i mean it was it was horrible back and forth back and forth now i can't even joke like but it's more organic they'll like start

crying and run off and like what did you just call me so do you think i know this is a topic that you didn't want to touch but do you think elizabeth holmes is going to smoke k2 in prison i think she will and she will call it like some kind of healing thing from she'll repackage it she will repackage it and she'll tell people listen do you want to know if you're okay, you need to smoke this little... Do you ever see people high on K2? Oh, yeah, yeah. That was the best high to watch.

Oh, yeah. It was violent, screaming. It's amazing. And then they'll smoke that he... And the fun of minors later... Yeah. You never seen this? You're talking to Kobe about the TikTok videos and he was like scared shitless

about like, does that really happen in prison? Yeah. And he was paler than normal, which is... You too understand. There's filters and shit. Like, he'll have you wearing a fucking mohawk this whole time. Or have you, like, he'll put like a little mouse face on you or something this all time. You'll be doing this whole thing as like a rat.

It'll be, wow, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Did you don't go there, man? Whoa, never. Hey, you want to know. Would I have a snitch in my life? Unless. Listen, listen, you want to hear something funny? You know, Ron Wilson, in my case, the guy got my second Rule 35 on.

The money guy. second the money guy the money guy yeah i remember i remember muck telling me like like it was christmas morning oh my god this guy told me where the money found someone to fucking trust me um so here's what happened so he got out when got out on covid a few months ago somebody sent me a fucking article saying boom this guy 57 million dollar ponzi scheme fucking hundreds of victims got out this was the guy that i didn't ever tell you gonna bring him in the podcast danny wants dude Danny's desperate get he and I, I go on the podcast. Of course, why wouldn't you?

Right. I mean, if my, if the people that I... Bro, he was cooperating against people when I cooperated against him. I'm just better at it. I'm sorry. This is, I know this is against the prison code, but it's a hot potato game. Listen, hot potato, hot potato, hot potato, whoever keeps a hot potato. Elizabeth Holmes got the hot potato.

So what are you thinking with, you think, so what do you think is going to happen to her? I think she's going to get 25 years sentence. I think she's going to get a rule 35 if she sits on this guy's case. Or what if he pleads guilty prior to? Well, is she going to have anything to do with him pleading guilty? Because, you know, they'll say that you're assuming that they won't not give it to her. Like, they can't just not get it. It's completely at the Fed's discretion to give you.

You're preaching to the choir, my friend. Listen, I had a co-defendant that went to trial. Right. My only co-defendant that went to trial. One of your co-defendant is? One of my co-defendants? How much time did you spend on the sand? Listen, bro, as soon as I heard, I had already been down for a year.

As soon as I heard, she's going to trial, I said, that's it. I'm going home, baby. My prosecutor said, I love Jess's face. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was going to go to trial and, and didn't cooperate again, didn't cooperate, was going to trial the whole fucking thing, talking shit about the fucking prosecutor on the phone, like gangster right up until she got like the witness list.

It was like, holy shit! How many people are going to testify against me? Well, so... She went to... My prosecutor said, I don't give a shit if he knows where Bin Laden is. Right. We're not using him.

Period. So my attorney goes, listen, bro, he doesn't want to use you. I said, well, can you ask him pretty please? So without me knowing, he put me on the witness list. Oh, yeah, yeah. Without me knowing. So just to intimidate her.

So she goes to trial. Obviously, I don't know I'm on the witness list. Years later, when I get my Rule 35, yes, I got a Rule 35. When I got my Rule 35, the prosecutor goes, that's common practice. I put people on the witness list just in case, if I have to use them, the people are familiar with the name. I'm like, that's not common practice. You use that shit to intimidate that person. First of all, I'm now in danger.

Correct. You just put me in danger. Now, I'm not saying that the woman in your case was going to somehow. or another from another prison get you shanked or something. But it's possible that you become endangered because you're on the list. The only person that could shank me on her case

was a guy named Eddie Mena who was with you in common in the drug program. I don't know if you remember Cuban. He stuttered like bad stutter. Unfortunately, that doesn't, you know, there's so many.

And he didn't shank me because he sat on her case. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. He sat on his grave. girlfriend's trial, and he got four years' sentence. Well, she got 17 and a half.

Mm-hmm. Okay, so. So she's going to probably try to do that. I'm sure her attorneys are working on a cooperation agreement. I mean, unless she loaned their money, if she loaned their money from somebody, then that's her way out, man. That's her, not out of prison, but like, I don't know. Some of her investors, dirty money?

No, I don't think it was anything I don't think it's anything like that I think it's pretty simple Pretty clut and dry You lied to investors To get them to To invest in this company That you were hoping was

I think it genuinely She probably thought I'm hoping that we get enough money in And we buy enough time That these scientists The best of the best That they're hiring The best that they were hiring

Are going to be able to pull this off But the thing is you promised too big It's like a Ponzi scheme You can really run a Ponzi scheme For a long time But when these guys say, oh, 30% on your money within one year, it's like, what are you doing? You're going to go under within a year or two. That's if you're busting your ass.

But the guys that are like, look, you know, I consistently get between 8% and 12%. Would you be to the market? Right. You can really drag that Ponzi scheme out for a long time. You don't promise too big. You don't get too flashy. Like Madoff. Consistently getting about 10% on your money and you drag it out.

And then you have these idiots who were like 35%, well, great, two years later. Does it make you a little envious that she pulled that off? I mean, four billion, not the sentence on this she got caught, but $4 billion, bro, is $4 billion. I don't give a shit if you. No, I mean, it's, it's impressive. But here's the real problem is that I think a good portion of it is just mental illness on her part. I mean, she's got some major mental illness problems. I think we all do.

I think as criminals, we all do, bro. And you have to agree. No, I agree. But, I mean, she's like just delusion. I mean, the turtlenecks, the deepening your voice, the, basically, if any of the people they talk to, they're like, listen, you can't believe a fucking thing she says. Like, she's constantly lying about stuff. So you've got to see a-

Were you a pathological liar? No, well, you don't know what a pathological liar. You can't control the lie. You lie for, you simply lie because it feels good, not for a benefit. Okay, were you a compulsive liar? No. Were you a trustworthy in person when you were not a trustworthy? No, no, no.

I mean, if I lie, it's for a direct benefit. Like, for people in my personal life, I'm extremely honest, very honest. But in a business situation where I'm trying to scam somebody, am I going to lie to them to obtain an objective? Of course, of course. What am I going to go in and say, look, hey, listen, I need to try and convince you to give me this much money so that I can steal it. I'm going to give you an example.

And my friend Armando is here. The reason why he's here because I'm teaching a class in Spanish right now. Okay, I know, I know your audience is going to be like, oh, my God, he's a piece of shed. He doesn't teach you. It's coming to you guys in English. Don't worry about it. I'm sure that's what they're concerned about. They are very concerned because they love me and you know they love me, Matt.

This is the Juan Sanchez Matt Cox. So if there's five people that say, this guy's a piece of his scumbag. And one person says, I love Juan. He immediately screenshots the I love one and sends it to me. Your people love me. You know what? Seven or eight of them. Last time we did this, it worked on my favor.

We were doing something else. if you love me with real love with like Justin Beaver love Justin Bieber love. Yeah like you know Yeah yeah put a heart Put a heart

A beating heart on him I have to put a bit of it Yeah you could I don't think he I don't know if they have that Put a heart on my comment An emoji you say I love one You know

It's a public service announcement Silly But I am teaching This weekend About you know Credit and all the new changes And credit and stuff like that Bro, at the beginning of my class, I tell people, listen, I committed fraud.

I serve eight years and seven months. Whatever you do, do not tell me how much money you have to invest. Oh, yeah. Because you're going to put me in a little bit of a tough spot. Because my brain, the first thing I'm going to think is, how can I take that money from you? Everybody got it? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. You're too funny.

Bro, I show them my indictment. I show them articles. I show them everything. By 3 o'clock in the afternoon. Listen, I have a question, teacher. If you have $35,000 to invest, motherfucker, didn't I tell you about six hours ago, not to tell me how much money you had?

See me after class. So, well, they don't want to say it publicly. So at the end of the class, he'll tell you. Some people were going, do you do like private consultations? Wow. I'm like, oh my God, these people don't, they don't get it.

So at that point, should you feel? Not that I'm going to scan them, by the way. But if you're giving all these disclosures and people are still telling you, listen, I have all this money. I think, you know, I think there's... Do you want me to say that they're asking for it? Well, they're not asking for it,

but somebody else is going to get them if they don't wise up. So it might as well be you. No, no, not at all. My job as a rehabilitated human being that I am is to convince them not to be telling people how much money they free. can have in their bank accounts because the next guy is not what's happening is not going to be as nice as me you know but that's just me saying that's me being rehabilitated that's years of therapy

and finding Jesus all right all right how long have we gone here how much of her 42 minutes so do you can we okay well i mean so elizabeth holmes we don't we we've we've covered absolutely this is elizabeth holmes there's been nothing ground right she committed a financial crime $4 billion. She has 11 counts, seven of them, seven involved people, which the government said, we don't really give a shit about that.

What we really care about is this $4 billion that you took from... I'm going to get very political and I'm going to get very... I know you hate this thing. We care about these $4 billion that you took from a bunch of white rich men and we need to prosecute you

and send you to prison for that. But how about all these other people that were looking for. No, they did charge them. They were found not guilty. The jury said these seven charges, they were like four or five that they said not guilty. And then a couple of them they said, we can't decide. So she got found guilty of four charges for investor fraud. And the investor fraud, right, the white people. And they're going to go, so they're going to go after her for that. And there's 20 years per count. So she could get 80 years, but they're probably going to end up with 20 to 25 to 30. Yeah, to 30 years. And then she'll spend the next five years,

fighting that. And guess what? They scared people of committing fraud. Yeah. But they didn't scare people for fucking people over. I don't know what that means. Basically, you can take their money and that is not good. But you can lie to them about their health and their stuff. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. No problem. That's the only issue that I have with this whole white color thing. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's all about the money. The crime is not about the money. The crime is about what you did to people, but not about the money. My victims, 10 financial institutions. They got their money back, by the way, through TARP.

Remember? TARP? Yeah, no, TARP, which was just funded by the American Paxpayer. So really, you defrauded every single person in the United States. So every time we go to a country that has not done anything to us, is paid by the American people. I just took a little piece of it. That's American dream.

But no, so do not commit crimes because you're going to get convicted. Nobody's possibly. Listen, if you've watched this video up to this point, you should be ashamed of yourself, really. So anyway, are we... So let's wrap this up.

Let's wrap this up. All right? And I think the next video we're going to discuss the fact that Juan's midsection is growing and growing. You know what? I'm Hispanic. As you all know, don't let my lack of accent fool you. And in Christmas we eat, all carbs, all meat, all nasty stuff. These are all for sale, too, by the way. All of these are for sale. We have a Joe Biden painting coming next. No, we don't. Once that that one comes up the wall, Biden is going in. And if anybody wants to get a Kamala Harris. Kamala? or Camela?

Camala? Camala? Camala? That's your vice president. Bro, come on. I don't pay attention. Okay. If anybody wants that,

you can commission Matt to paint it. You'll paint it for money. You'll paint anybody for money. I mean, enough money. Yeah. You'll paint your prosecutor for money. My prosecutor actually... One of the paintings?

I could... What if I had to do my prosecutor? That would be interesting. Guess what? got my first famous selfie taken. Really? Yeah. With who?

Someone noticed you? Someone recognized you? White people, too. And they were like, oh my God, we're going to get a picture with a criminal. Come on. And I'm like, well, I don't know. He's like, what's going on? Was it pretty cool?

When they actually say that, it's like, at first you're like, are you, is someone put you up to them? And when you realize, no, they really recognize you. It was very, very cool. It's pretty cool. I know. I was pretty, I said, all these years in prison have finally paid off. They all built up to this month.

moment of recognition. So did you get one? No. No. I know. I actually get them with like, oh, no, no, no, I want a picture too. Like, they get a picture and I, so I'm like, you know, I want to pick her. I'm like, you know, I want to pick up.

Who's going to believe me? Yeah. Well, I kind of get a bunch of white people to get a picture with me and say that they were my fans, but whatever. Anyway. I get one with Connor. Okay. So that's it.

We're, uh, check out our next video and, um, that's it. We'll see you next week. And I'll see you. Bye. Adios. Adios. Isn't that Spanish? Is that Mexican? I speak Mexican.