Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Confessions of a High Class Prostitute | Annie Lobert

Episode Date: October 19, 2023

Confessions of a High Class Prostitute | Annie Lobert

And so the next couple months of parties that I went to, I got completely take advantage of and I got raped by two different men. I thought to myself, I'm going to use men. That's what I'm going to do. I'm going to do what they did to me. I would not date white guys, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, or black guys. It was always Asian. Pick the Asian because they have the most money.

they're quick get in and out of there and make a lot of money quickly and it was so easy I took my clothes off and the guy sat there and he couldn't control himself so

got dressed, walked out took the money I was making deals with some of the managers and doing unethical sexual things to make it happen so technically I was still using my looks

and my sexuality to get what I needed to make myself successful with my partner. And he didn't know that part, by the way. So if you watch this video, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but yep, I sure was doing that. When people accuse me that, oh, you got out because you were, you were all used up and you looked ugly. Who are these people that are accusing you of stuff? You'll be surprised.

You'll have them in your comments. Trust me, they'll be in these comments on this feed. You'll see them. And those are the haters. Hey, they're going to hate. Hey, they're going to hate. Look, who doesn't love money? Who doesn't need money to survive?

Duh, when I brought my boyfriend from Minnesota down to Las Vegas, the first night that I worked, he beat the living crap out of me. That was a really hard time of my life. I think back to that young girl. and I just I wish I would have left that night Hey this is Matt Cox and I am going to be doing an interview

with Annie Lobert she is a former call girl and currently runs an organization called Hookers for Jesus which I love the name and it's going to be an interesting interview I can tell because I can already tell she's a character and check it out. I was born in General Hospital, if you want to get real technical, on September 26 at 936 at night in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

All right. Can you hear my accent? Not really, but I don't know what a Minnesota accent sounds like. Well, Minnesota accent. says, hey, you know, I'd like you to come over to dinner and have some supper. Kind of like, is that kind of Canadian? Almost sounds Canadian. Yeah, a little, a little Canadian.

And then you would say to someone, hey, would you like a pop? You're like, what's a pop? This is like sounds like Fargo. Yeah, it's a little bit like Fargo. If you're in Minnesota a little too long, it can end up being like the Fargo accent, definitely. And it's called the O-A accent. It's also called the Too Nice or the Minnesota Nice. That's what people call it.

And back in the day, Minnesota was not really on the map except for Walter Mondale. If you can think of politics way back when, Walter Mondale, and he obviously became the vice, was he the vice president? I think he was. He was our governor as well for a minute. it. But Minnesota wasn't really on the map except for a couple Hollywood stars. I think Lonnie Anderson's one of them. And Bob Dylan. Hey, Bob Dylan. We got a music. And then we got, of course, we got someone that really put him on the map really well. His name was Prince Rogers Nelson and his whole entourage of Purple Rain and Prince of the Revolution, which I did actually know several of the

people with that whole entourage and knew one of the men that actually ran the music as director and was a friend of mine and I dated him for a little bit too before he became famous so yeah so I mean were you back to so your parents like were your parents married do you have brothers yes were you raised in my parents yeah I was raised in Minneapolis in the very beginning. As a little girl, though, I first was raised on a farm in Egan, Minnesota. Okay. And Cannon Falls as well. My dad had this crazy, itchy. Let's move around. Let's go here. Let's go there. He could never stay in one place for too long. What did he do with? Many, many things?

My dad was in the Air Force, but then he got kicked out because he showed up hungover a lot. and he was drinking so they said you're out of here bro because guess what my dad did in the air force he was an airplane mechanic so you can't be an airplane no that's an issue or i mean yeah you can't be hung over because technically you might still be drunk right so my father got kicked out i think my dad felt very ashamed of that and my dad started working at at different companies he would do maintenance but let me tell you what would happen to him he would end up getting the supervisor position wherever he worked my dad was very smart he could fix anything like anything like tv was broken the lights turned off the furnace shut off my dad could figure out

how to fix it that's just the way he was what about brothers sisters yeah i had two i have two brothers and a sister and i actually have a third brother that I didn't know about. My dad was married prior to being married to my mother. And we didn't find out about that until just a couple years ago. My dad kept it very secret. So I have an older brother that is in Illinois. And he's my oldest, oldest brother.

I've only met him over the phone. And then my full-time two brothers, my oldest brother and then my younger brother. And then my sister, she was the oldest of our entire family at the time that we knew of anyway. She died when she was 31. I was 26 at the time. And she died of a massive heart attack. Her aortic valve burst in half. And no one gave her CPR at her job,

which she was working for investors diversified services. I don't know if you know what that is, but that is American Express Home Office, IDS Financial. And I actually got a job at that company when I was 18 years old. But that's where my sister passed away. And after two weeks, they took her off the ventilator and let her die. It was horrific because she lost 18 minutes of oxygen. And any time you lose 18 minutes of oxygen, usually you have hypoxia.

And hypoxia is a loss of oxygen to the brain tissue. When the brain loses the loss of oxygen, we know what happens next. Brain cells die. You become a vegetable, basically. Yeah. So my sister, you know, I got to see her pass away. And at the time, believe it or not, I was being sex trafficked during that entire episode of her dying. So I was pretty bitter by her death.

I was mad at God. I pretty much called God every swear word in the book. And I tried to kill myself by, you know what, I've done many things with drugs, killing with drugs, but mostly the main tool I use in the very beginning of me trying to get rid of myself was driving. my 5.0 Mustang, flooring the speedometer all the way to the floor, so 140 miles an hour, and then yelling at God with one hand, just flip the car, God, just flip the car. Take the rest of me out since you took my sister. I was so mad. And so, yeah, that was a part of my life that was really a hard time. And the part that led up to that, I know you're going to ask questions. Keep going. I was going to say what led up to that what what is you know how old were you when this started

how did it start so the first time that I got abused sexually was from a next door neighbor in Minneapolis and I learned about pornography I learned about toys so just let your imagination run how old and I was eight years old there's no little girl that should be seeing those type of things by the way eight years old but unfortunately we have cell phones now guess what candy store for the kids they can see whatever they want in that little little box my my box is a sparkle box though because everything about me sparkles so um but uh i never told anyone i kept that so secret inside of me so i was being abused for about a year year and a half might have been about two years but I just didn't tell anyone and is this an adult is this like

an adult or is this another like a teenager yeah someone that was supposed to be a friend yeah okay so I just never told anyone and I kept that secret inside of me then when I was a teenager I finally you know, I've got all this anger inside of me because of that, but not only that, my daddy was hitting my mother in front of us kids and he was hitting us. He would come home from work and just rage and yell and scream and chain smoke his cigarettes. He was an alcoholic until I was about three. And then I remember him getting dry. And that's what they call it in the alcohol game is you become, and when you're an unhealed alcoholic, you're called a dry drunk. So my dad came home from AA.

I think he went to the program for a month. He took off for about a month. Then he came back, but he went for a whole year. He did the full 12 months, the 12-step program, and came home with a little Bible. I don't forget like a little tiny little Bible. and I don't really remember him talking about the meetings or anything like that. I was a little girl still. And I have a lot of my memories kind of fragmented.

I don't know about you and your memories, but when you're in a traumatic situation. So I didn't know this at the time, but when I look back at my life, like if you look at it like a fishbowl and you're looking at different parts of your life, and you can kind of see where everything kind of takes a turn for the worst and the water start getting really dark and then the storm comes and you're like, what's going on over here?

I basically was living in a cesspool of complex trauma. And it's trauma ramped up about 10 or 20 times. So there's a difference between trauma, PTSD, and then complex trauma. So PTSD is a one-time-off event. So let's just say, for instance, you have a car accident and someone died.

That's total. You can get PTSD from that, right? You just can't. Or an earthquake happens and you witness people getting hurt or buildings falling in front of you. Or you witness a tornado or someone gets raped. I don't want to bring up bad things, but it is. Or maybe one time they got sexually abused. One time you got beat up at school.

You got bullied. That can cause PTSD if you don't get healed from that. And if it doesn't ever get, you know, a clue. so to speak, and you don't get to talk to someone about that. You carry that with you. Now, complex trauma, on the other hand, forms when it's happening on a repetitive basis. So you're in a situation where you can't leave and you're stuck there. So dad, hitting mother, hitting us children, yelling at all of us, abusing all of us emotionally, mentally, and physically, staying in that life, staying with my family, not running away, that can actually create

when you're from an abusive family like that, severe complex trauma. So as a setup for the enemy, because that's what the enemy wants us to have, is they want us to have, I should say us, people, the enemy, we all know the devil, right? And as minions, as demons, needs to have. someone hurt, broken, afraid, full of fear, full of trauma for them to actually enter the sex industry. That's usually the setup. But actually when I started school, I went to seven, eight different schools growing up. The reason why I went to seven or eight different schools is because my father, he would move somewhere and then move our family within a couple years.

find a new spot to move into, which is so crazy, random, weird. But I think my dad was chasing happiness. Nothing was ever good enough for him. And by the way, and rest, let him rest in peace because he's in heaven now. He had a antique addiction. He had to have antiques all throughout our house. So when I grew up, we couldn't even roughhouse because there's antiques everywhere. And you know what happens when you're rough house, right, Matt? things fall over things get broken lambs get broken stained glass breaks in the windows i mean and trust me that happened to all of us in our family growing up but um when i was a young girl in minnesota i went to let's see one two three four different schools four different schools

and actually went to a private school as well my dad had this weird thing happened when we were moving into fifth or sixth grade the school that I was going to in South Minneapolis shut down and then they transferred us to this place called Hans Christian Anderson School. My dad

didn't like it. It was inner city. He didn't want me to be around people that weren't all I guess my color. Yeah. He didn't want me to be mixed with Indians, Mexicans and blacks basically.

there's a lot of inner city. I don't want to call it that, but there's just people. There's many different colors in South Minneapolis. It's the way it is, right? And there's white people, too. But there is tension in Minneapolis. There always was, I saw it a long time ago. I used to be bullied in school. I was bullied by Indian girls. I had these two twins that used to throw rocks at me and push me and choke me and throw me down, spit on me and stop on me. I had a couple Indian girls at school. They did the same thing. And this is what's cool. As I had this girl named Cassie when I was in fifth grade and actually left parochial school, started going to Hans Christian Anderson. I was at the monkey bars the second day I was at school. And I remember

her coming up. There were these two Indian girls and they wanted to just basically kick my butt, right? She stepped in front of them like superwoman, put her hands on her hips and said, if you want to hit her, you got to go through me. Okay, this girl was so drop dead gorgeous. She looked like Whitney Houston. And she was snapping her gum and she had long hair down to her butt and it was all real. And she was like, do you know these girls? And I was like, no.

She goes, well, guess what? They're not going to mess with you ever again. Sure enough, those girls never mess with me again. And that girl became my best friend. And it's funny because my dad had. had no idea. Just because you're in an inner city school, it doesn't mean you're going to get corrupted or turn into a bad person. Like, I met the best people when I was in that school. I really did. Yeah, there were bullies there, but I'm, I was like a minority. I'm like a very

rare white person, which that didn't bother me too much. I didn't think I was, you know, I didn't feel like a minority. I knew I was, but I didn't feel like one. I just kind of felt special because I was, you know, I had like pink skin, you know, so, but anyway, how we ended up moving. Go ahead. I was going to say, how long were you there and, you know, what's going on? So we were, we were at Hans Christian Anderson for a couple of years and I was actually really upset with my father because Cassie was one of my best friends and another girl named Brenda.

And so when he moved us away from that school, he moved the entire family to Wisconsin. about 75 miles away. I was devastated. The only thing back then, we didn't have cell phones, we could write our friends or call them long distance. And my mom and dad wouldn't let me call long distance because it costs money. So I could hardly ever talk to my friends. I would try to save my allowance to be able to make a phone call to my friends and say, hey, I'm going to come up and visit this summer. And that's the only time I could see my friends was once a summer during school vacation. And the only reason why if I did go back to Minneapolis is because I'd go stay with my grandma and my grandpa for a week.

Didn't you make new friends? I did, Matt. I did, Matt. But listen, when I first got to that school, I was very shy. And I know that doesn't make sense because of the way that I am now. But I was like, I think I was so afraid of being bullied again. I kind of went into like a clamshell state where I didn't I didn't really want to talk to anybody and I just kind of kept to myself but I ended up making some friends but I did get bullied at that school and that lasted until I was probably about ninth grade yeah I got bullied that whole time and it's funny because that school was all white kids and maybe there was one of my girlfriends she was black and she actually married my brother by the way she was the only black girl in the

whole school she became my friend and i don't know why they bullied me i i don't really understand bullying and why kids do that because it doesn't make sense to me i feel like there's something got to be wrong with you or maybe you were bullied yourself to make you want to do that to another child. I just don't understand the mentality. You know, I just don't. And if anyone tries to make me, I get it, the psychology part of it. But there is something inside of us that says yes and no.

This is right or this is wrong. And to me, children can make a choice. It's a choice to be nice or a choice to be mean. so that was a hard experience then we moved again when i was in 10th grade we just before coming into 10th grade we moved to another town in wisconsin about 30 or 40 miles away to a totally new school had to try to fit in again this time i wasn't having any shyness i was like you know what i'm going to make friends i'm going to have fun i'm going to party with my friends um i had gotten and drunk one time when I was 14. I went and visited my sister in Minneapolis and I went to my first

Prince concert. So it's right when Purple Rain came out. That was like a magical time for me, by the way. That was that whole movie and the whole scene of Prince and the whole crazy music scene that happened. I loved it. Like purple was my favorite color. It still is to this day. I love purple. I love pink too, but don't get me wrong. Purple is my friend. do so when i went to school high school the rest of high school i started partying a lot with my friends and i made fast friends like i was friends with the they called them the dirt balls the sports kids and then like the we had okay we had the dirt balls the sport the sports kids and then the druggies so there was three class of people you could hang out with i was friends with all of them

That's the way I am. I love people. I'm a people person. I'm an extrovert. So when I was going to the parties, unfortunately, because of what had happened to me as a little girl, I had this boyfriend and he made me make him, I don't know, he was like the best thing that ever happened to me.

I fell in love with them. I wanted to get married. I felt like if I'm going to, give my virginity to someone this is going to be the guy you know and he's going to be that guy he's going to be the guy i marry have babies with when we broke up and it devastated me and so the next couple months of parties that i went to i got completely take advantage of and i got raped by two different men one of them was 23 years old and i don't know what he was doing at a teenage party like obviously the dude's a pedophile you know like dude what are you doing

at a teenage party like all of us kids are like 15 16 17 18 years old what are you doing here bro but he raped me and i don't consider it like de virginizing though because i don't want to be graphic or mean but he wasn't very well endowed so and i'm not trying to cap on any But to me, that wasn't a true diversionization, even though he took advantage of me sexually. I did devastate me, though. And then I had another one of my best girlfriends, her supposedly ex. He raped me at a party as well. And same thing with him.

He wasn't well endowed. And so when my other boyfriend found out about this, he lost it. um he wasn't very happy and of course i was just like devastated as well we got back together and you called the police no i didn't know that i could i mean this is the 1980s bro like 1985 84 86 like you don't call the cops it's just and it's a small town you don't do that if i admit that i'm at a party drinking We're passing around joints and I'm having sex or I'm people or I'm kissing men and I'm kissing boys taking my shirt off or they're taking my shirt off in other words because I didn't usually

take my shirt off. It's usually a situation where I was drunk and they took my clothes off. So it's still technically a rape even though I've been drinking. We're playing quarters. So I think I got really embittered. as a young teenage girl and really upset with men and I didn't trust them anymore when I left high school the devil had my heart like I was like you know what F a man and I wish a man would like I thought to myself I'm going to use men that's what I'm going to do I'm going to do what they did to me I'm going to use them for sex did did you stay in and and Minneapolis. Did you stay in that area?

No, you know what? At that time, I was not Minneapolis, but I moved out from Wisconsin. Yeah. And then I moved to Minneapolis. I moved in with my sister, got a job within a week, got another job within a couple weeks after that, like I had three jobs. I was working at IDS Financial. And then I was working at DeLuno's Pizza on the weekends.

And then at night, I worked at Ichibon's Japanese steakhouse, Teppaniaki. They just closed it down. last year. I'm not very happy about that because you had to wear the kimono. You had to wear the hotchi slippers. You had to wear the toe socks that split your, your two front toes in half. Like I was legitly a gayish girl, okay? Had my hair up with little chopsticks in it and just, you know, there's another white girl that worked there, but most of the ladies that were working that were Asian. So I was very proud of myself because I thought I'm going to get my own apartment. I'm going to get my life together, get my car, get my apartment, become a business

woman, you know, have my own sort of entrepreneurship, something. I liked jewelry. I look at this little sparkle right here. Hey, got my little gem on today. I wanted to start my own jewelry business. And I never got the chance to. But one day that's going to happen, one day. I ended up going out to the nightclubs because I had, you know, I loved to dance. Me and my girlfriend, we got, I borrowed her one of my girlfriend's IDs. She was drinking age. I wasn't. And I started going out to the nightclubs on the weekends.

And then sometimes during the week, they had like Tuesday nights were ladies night and Thursdays. So we would go out to Tuesdays and Thursdays and we would go dancing and, you know, drinking and drinking Long Island iced teas. And one night that we were out, we were at this place called Marshalls, which now it's called Choices. It is a strip club in downtown Minneapolis, currently right now. Anyone you all look it up is called Choices. And the owner at the time, Marsh, he let me and my girlfriend in knowing we're underage,

knowing that we were not legal. and we walk in there and we're sitting at the bar we're like yeah we own this place we're hot we look good we got our mini skirts on you know I remember that was the 80s so I had the padded giant jacket with my little tiny little mini skirt had my hair scoched up really high my hair kind of looks 80s right now doesn't it

my hair was scoched up really high and I was just like totally like Robert Palmer. The lights are oh, you're not home. I mean might as well face it because you're addicted to love. That was me. I still somehow, though, Matt, I wanted to find the love of my life.

I still wanted to find that one guy that could make my heart pitter-patter and could make me feel like I was loved. Okay? That's the truth. And so I dated a couple different men off and on that were musicians. And there was one guy that was not a musician that took advantage of me and he actually raped me. Because one of my girlfriends and I, we were hanging around with the wrong people. I'm just being honest before I met the traffickers.

But this man got me pregnant and the way he got me pregnant was raping me. I found out I was pregnant and it was very, very devastating. I didn't want to have my baby. I didn't think it was a baby because plant parent had told me it wasn't. They told me it was a cell, a clump of cells. And I believe them.

And I think I wanted to believe that. So I got an abortion. It was completely justified to me because the guy raped me. I wasn't ready to be a mom. No way. I needed to find myself. I needed to find who I was and I needed to

make my mark on the world and I was not ready to be a mama bear. So I made that choice to do that. And I think that a lot of women out there that are watching right now and listening, they can understand why that would be something someone would do, especially if it's a rape. Because every time you look at that child, you think, oh, yeah, the dad raped me. So that's sad, right? yeah yeah yeah you know I was it I don't want to cry but that was a really really really

hard time in my life this I was still I was still innocent like I was 18 so it's really hard on me really really hard but um i ended up uh wow i'm thinking back and i'm getting flashes of my memory the my memory is really it's really choppy during these emotional times because i remember how i was thinking and how lonely i felt at the time because i was still you know subliminally angry at my father from all the things he had done to my mother. And even though I knew that hitting her and yelling at her was completely wrong, you know, it's weird. I think we search for relationships that are very similar in nature,

like the same personality type, the same charisma as our parents sometimes. My dad had a really good personality. Even though he was mean, my dad was. was yeah he was a charismatic funny person when he was being a good guy

he was the best like so fun to be around when he was in a good mood a lot of people in my mom and dad's life loved him you know when they didn't see the bad side of him but I ended up you know like I said

going to that nightclub that night and my girlfriend and I were sitting at the bar and these two men walked in and they had furs on they had fur on yeah and my girlfriend and i we were like oh look at these guys and i was thinking of myself man they got money these guys got money there's no way they don't have money what is up with this right and uh my girlfriend starts talking to one of the men and then gets his number and And then the other guy kind of was like, no, I'm not giving you my number. Now, I did try on his fur coat, though.

I did put on his sunglasses and took a picture. Yep, I sure did. Because I wanted to show that I had a fur on. I was bragging. And remember, back then they were throwing paint on furs? I think in the early 90s anyway, this was still the 80s. So having a fur was still kind of like a neat thing to do. It was like an in thing to have a mink or a,

fox fur or a chinchilla it was the hip thing to do my girlfriend called me i'm sitting at my desk at ids financial and she called me up and said hey i am on the beach in hawaii and you need to come out here because i am making all kinds of money and see my friend she didn't have a father that she knew growing up So her and I were a lot alike in a similar respect. We had no respect for our fathers because even though I had a father, he was very absent for me emotionally, mentally, and even physically. Like we never had talks. We never really had a heart to heart.

We never really hung out. I was his daughter and the only relationship he really had was, dad can I go to the football game and he would say no or he'd say yes he would sit there and make me think and wait for a while before he told me yes I would just shake and I'd be scared of his answer because sometimes he'd say no and then I would start balling my eyes out so I really had this whole power control thing with my father and I was always afraid to ask him to do stuff and so I think that when I got out of the house I just I just went buck wild like buck wild Now, I went to church growing up.

I was a Lutheran, and I confessed Jesus in my heart when I was about four or five years old. I remember getting the glow and dark cross from being a Lutheran. They had this cross they would give you. And then I actually got confirmed when I was, I think I was 13 or 14 years old. I got confirmed in the Lutheran faith. And that goes along with like memorizing scripture. and all the books of the Bible. And I don't remember half of what I learned.

I don't remember anything, actually. All I know was is that church people are supposed to be nice. But I didn't see that in my church. I didn't feel it, didn't see it, thought everybody was rude, didn't particularly like anybody in my class. I just, I wasn't feeling it at all. I felt like church people, were fake and that love to them they don't even know what love is they're not real and to me that made

god not relevant it made jesus far away and i didn't get this whole thing about religion and i didn't understand they weren't teaching how to have a relationship with god at all it was just like thus says the lord repeat after this scripture we're going to him number one 10 then everybody's up and sings them and everybody sits down and you recite what they're saying that's how it is in lutheranism anyway the lutheranism that i grew up in so i was totally turned off by how religion was presented in front of me right so did you what happened with your friend she invited you to hawai yeah and i went it was a five hundred dollar ticket but she said that they would pay for it up front and I could pay her back later and I was like okay so I went

and was totally like tripping out because I had never seen the ocean before not in person that was my first time seeing the ocean what a treat to see the ocean from Hawaii yeah Waikiki Beach are you kidding me hello I'm a teenager I'm looking no I later did but I went to the Oahu, which is a smaller island. Okay. Kona's the big island. Kona's the one with the huge volcanoes and stuff, and there's other ones too, but Kona is the big, big island. But Oahu

is a little smaller, and it's where the capital is, unfortunately, at Honolulu. And, yeah, that whole vibe, that, da, ta, ta, da, Hawaii 50, remember that show? Oh my gosh. Book him, Danum. Book him, Dano. Book him

Dano. I love that show growing up. So people don't even know what we're talking about. They're like, what? Some of them do. Yeah, well, my, my demographics, like, between 25 and 55. Okay. Well, I'm 50.

I'm the top of your graphic. Do you know how old I am? 55. I am. You just said top of your graphic. How old are you? I'm 54. Okay.

When's your birthday? July 2nd. oh you just had a birthday wow you'll be 55 next year okay cool anyway so i got to hawaii and i'm telling you that place was so intoxicating i love the smell of it i loved the heat i loved the beach i loved all the little like souvenir shops the lays with the beautiful flowers i love the fact that nobody could tell me what to do and I was there and I was with my friend and she was my best friend and we were just like running free running wild you know and the first night that I got there I got a fake ID I chose my name so my name were you I'm trying to think you had to be

under 21 if you needed a fake ID. Yeah, I was under 21. I was either 18 or 19. Anyway, I was a teenager still. Okay. That's what I remember. And I had, I got a fake ID. It said, my name was Fallon York.

Because if you get arrested for prostitution in Hawaii, you don't use your real name. That's what the people she was with, they told us not to use our real name. Now, I didn't know the whole reason behind that. but now that I look back I totally get and understand why they did that it's because the pimps don't want you to have a record with your real name so you because you're breaking the law for them and you're making money well I didn't have a pimp her boyfriend became her pimp and I was in my mind I was like F a pimp I wish a pimp would like I didn't believe in pimps I was like these those pimps are nasty I would

never give my money to a pimp i would never this is my money i earn this money okay the first trick i ever turned matt i didn't have to have sex it was so easy i took my clothes off and the guy sat there and he couldn't control himself so got dressed walked out took the money did you know going to Hawaii this is what she was doing not 100% because she told me you know you don't have to have sex so I was like oh okay so we're going to run we're going to get the money and run basically that's what I thought and I thought oh this is kind of dangerous she goes well no yeah I mean you're going to dance and stuff and I was like oh okay but yeah for more money you get offered to do more things so 500 bucks take clothes off

off, 200 extra, 300 extra, 500 extra, different things can happen, a thousand dollars extra, more things can happen. And every price was a different price point because it's per customer and what they're wearing and how they're acting. And back then there was only Japanese clients. That's all we would do in that. We call them buyers now, but I would not date white guys. I wouldn't date Hispanic Middle Eastern or

black guys it was always Asian pick the Asian because they have the most money they're quick get in and out of there and make a lot of money quickly

I know that sounds really evil but well in the 80s Japan oh they were slamming it they were making great money

off the United States. I'm telling you they were killing it. And so that showed up in our pocket books. And I went back to Minnesota after two weeks, didn't have a pimp and started working the escort services right away signed up for the escort service. And my first pimps was Bruce and Maggie. I didn't know they were pimps at the time, but I figured out that they were married and they were running an escort service. And so I would negotiate the tip over the phone. They would get $40 service. fee. And then I would tip the phone girl, depending on what I made on the call, extra or not, I would tip them. So I didn't like it because I almost got killed twice. I had a guy pull out a shotgun on me. And then I had another guy pull out a machete. And I'm like, this is not what I

signed up for. I quit. So I quit. And I started working stripping agency. I decided that I was going to be a stripper exotic dancer and work bachelor parties then i got the notion because to me it wasn't making enough money like i needed to make more money um but i was turning tricks a little bit i was like giving guys i don't mean to be graphic your people can handle this right i was giving guys bjs and hand jobs and doing extra stuff but like i said the money Minnesota money is not that great And the bachelor parties were always on the weekend. So you always had to, like, save your money. And I'd be counting my money because I had my own place at this point.

And I had a car payment. I was like, man, I got to make more money. So I decided to work for playtime. What is that? And it was an agency that booked clubs across Minnesota and Wisconsin. Yep. And my boss's name was Sill. And so she would book me.

Virgil was her boss. So Virgil and Sil would book us at all these clubs across Minnesota and Wisconsin. And we would go and we would work at these clubs and strip and make our tips. And I decided that I wasn't going to ever turn another trick because I started reading my Bible. This is a crazy part of the story. I met up with this guy that was working with Prince and he was reading the Bible to me. And he goes, what's the pager for? And I said, none of your business.

Get out of my freaking business, bro. he's like well I think you're a drug dealer I'm like really dude really no take another guess I deal something else and it's not drugs all right so what ended up happening is I ended up being at the nightclub working at and now it's called spearmint rhino but it was called skyway lounge back then and in walks this gorgeous guy and in the meantime by the way Matt, I'm in and out of different relationships with different men that were musicians that would break my heart. Like there was a man in a band called Maserati. I met the lead singer and then he introduced me to one of his bandmates. There were two actually. And had a relationship with the

first one. He totally broke my heart. And then I met the other guy that was in Maserati. And he's the one that actually became Prince's director of music later. And he was such a nice guy, a Baptist boy. super sweet and in fact knew about my my trafficker and said that's not a good guy Annie you need to get away and back then my name was Fallon so he walks in to the club my pimp my ex pimp and I fell for him head over heels like I was like wow he did not tell me he was a trafficker he led on to me he was a drug dealer and I didn't like it I was like you need to get out of drug dealing this is not good I told him to dream about having my little own little you know jewelry store one day and he thought it was great he was like

you're so smart you're so intelligent wow and i said you know what i'll tell you a secret you know all these men here they're really stupid guess what they're all tricks and i'm getting money from them on the side so i told them i was like turning tricks on the side in other words i was getting paid to do extra things after the show was done. Like I would hook up with certain guys that had more money. Like if you had 500 bucks, I was willing to go to a, you know, to a hotel somewhere. Turn a trick real quick. Because tip money on the stage, thought as good as real, you know, backstage stuff.

So he thought that was great. Pretty soon the relationship, I mean, I'm telling you, he moved in with me within like weeks. Like he was living with me. And I'm like, oh my gosh, what is going on here? And money went missing and I didn't connect the two. I would hide at my house and then all of a sudden it would disappear somewhere. It's like back then, now my ex-pimp, he admitted to me later in the relationship that he was the one taking my money.

But what ended up happening is my girlfriend, she lived in Las Vegas, the one that went to Hawaii. So her pimp had houses all over the United States. he had houses in Chicago, Baltimore. His friends, too, Vegas, Minnesota, Hawaii. And so she went to Vegas, and she told me, girl, the money in Vegas is off the hook, off the chain. Girl, you got to come here. you this place is popping and i had already been to vegas one time because when i got back the first time from hawaii i did a trip to los angeles to see my ex-boyfriend that's a whole

another story he was in the air force and actually motivated me to go to hawaii because i thought if i could see him again because i was so in love with him we were with each other and i lived with them for a while and i was still square at the time and my heart was completely broken in half i wanted to see him again. So that's what really motivated me to go to Hawaii because I wanted to see him again. I was like, I have to see him again. I'm in love with him. And love motivating me to do a lot of things that I never would have necessarily done had I not been so naive and so in love. Like my heart was literally in the forefront of every decision that I made emotional decisions on every turn. I never really used my head, except for when it came to the money. I need to make my

quick money. So this is where people get this traffic being so twisted. They're like, that's it. I got her. She admitted turning a trick without a pimp. She chose this life. It's her fault. She's not a victim. She's never been a victim. She was just a promiscuous slut that got paid. That's what people say about me. And that's so wrong, man. It's so wrong. Because guess what? When I brought my boyfriend

from Minnesota down to Las Vegas, the first night that I worked, he beat the living crap out of me. Yeah. Shocked me. Choked me. Why did he do that?

He had to put himself in a of power. It's called breaking your hoe. It's what you do when you're a gorilla pimp to get control of your bitch, your ho, your whore, your snow bunny, because that's what I was called, snow bunny money, okay? Got it. So he beat me that night, put me in the back room, locked me up, took my beeper, took my identification. I had no way to leave. My girlfriend was screaming in the back. She was like, I'm calling the cops. Her pimp locked her up, wouldn't let her leave the room. And then the next day, my pimp took me to a nasty motel and hid me there for almost three weeks while I was healing from all my bruises

on my face and my neck and my body. Because he literally beat my face. Oh, my gosh. I looked like I was in a fight with Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali my face was so messed up like we're talking I could not see straight both my eyes were shut and I'm for sure

had concussion for sure wouldn't let me go to the hospital my face was so puffy my nose disappeared see how my nose is right now it disappeared into my face I was so laden with bruises and, you know, damaged blood vessels in my...

And by the way, both my eyes had red where the white is. Completely broken blood vessels in my eyes. So when you looked at me, it looked like I... Yeah, it didn't look good. That was a really hard time in my life. I think back to that young girl. And I just... I wish I would have left that night.

I wish I would have just ran down the street or something. But, Matt, I had nowhere to go. He had all my pictures. He had every piece of history that I had with me. Like he had all the pictures of my family. He had all my clothes. He had everything I had ever owned in his possession. He had the keys to my apartment in Minnesota.

We still had the apartment in Minnesota. It was under my name. name. He had the keys to my car. Just everything. How do you leave when you know the person's violent? Oh, when he's pistol whipping you too, by the way, putting guns in your mouth saying, I wish a bitch would. I wish a punk bitch would, punk faggot white bitch. I wish you would. That's what he used to say to me. So yeah, he became my pimp. And by the way, I, loved him. I loved him.

I was thinking that my love could change him. Then I realized, wow, I'm in the same type of relationship as my mom was. My daddy was labor trafficking in my mom. I look back now and I see he was in total control of her paycheck. He would buy things against her will. He would totally take control of everything. hit her, beat her, and here I was, except I was being sex trafficked. The rule is you give the pimp 100% of the money.

You have to give the escrow service their fee, which they're a pimp too. Then you give the phone girl her tip. She's kind of a sort of a pimp as well, even if she doesn't realize it. Some of the phone girls don't realize that they were actually trafficking women without understanding that they have boyfriends that were controlling them and beating them and coerzing them and forcing them and lying to them, manipulating them, brainwashing them. Trafficking's very, very, it's very, gosh,

there's so many words I can say about it. It's manipulation, it's isolation, it's emotional abuse, it's physical abuse, it's sexual abuse, it's rape, it's top and bottom like gender control it's it's coercion

it's force it's threatening it's isolation it's all these things that they use against you to keep you in a subservient position where you cannot leave and if

you do you will most certainly die or someone you know close to you will die, your animal might get murdered as well. Or if you leave, you lose everything you ever, ever had in your life, like all your possessions, gone. And when you are a material girl like I was, because I learned at a young age watching my father, that you are what you own, okay, that I need to have things to be happy, right? I need to have a car. A car is freedom a driver's license is freedom a bank account is freedom right a lot of different pretty outfits is freedom for a woman anyway getting her nails done getting her air done if she doesn't have

that she's not free so for me to leave i would have to lose my id lose my cell phone which by then cell phones were as big as this thing right here right is this is what the late 80s By this point, early 90? Well, 87, 88. And by the time I left him, it was 1992, 91, 92. And you did this for five years with this guy? Yes. In fact, the first, the first time I left, the phones had just came out, the StarTac phone.

That was around about a couple years before I left, actually. Remember the StarTac flip phones? You could fold it in half the volume part. And the phone was still about that big, that thick. You could open it up and go, hello? Yeah, hold on, you know, and hang it up. And you could program numbers in there, maybe only five or ten. It was very, very, the minimalist would call it a minimalist cell phone.

But yeah, and they would live off cell towers and they would get really hot. The batteries would get superheated and the batteries were about this thick and you'd have to change them and crazy. And so to leave without a phone, without your page or without your identification without your car yeah and you can't keep your car because it's in his name even though he put half of the things in my name i could have still fought for it but i never did so i was too afraid to do that you you leave with all without all your pictures uh anything i had artwork that i had created very beautiful artwork i drew several different things that i treasured that uh i lost ultimately in the end i lost everything

And then think about all the money that I made, you know, oh my gosh, I just don't know. Like millions of dollars, three, four, five million dollars, more, more than that, gone. And my body being ravaged by tricks, buyers that raped me. men that would choke me as they're having sex with me, abuse slapping. I mean, men would pay to slap me and hit me and have sex with me while they're doing that. Does that sound insane to you?

Sounds like they have to miss you. Yeah, well, I later, on the second half of my lifestyle of being a call girl, I was a dominance mistress because I needed to take my power back. so I decided to not take any more abuse calls and I decided to become a dominance mistress and are you still with the boyfriend at this point

or you've already you've already left the pimp I left I left my pimp but then I got with another pimp that was just as abusive but he wasn't a pimp in the beginning I told him he needed to act like my pimp because all the pimps were hunting me down and looking for me

and they had spotters everywhere and handlers everywhere and they were looking for me in the town. And so I would try to hide and do day shift and not work nights and my pimps somehow still found me. He would stalk me. So that was a really hard situation to get away from.

If it wasn't for one of my other best girlfriend, she was actually my wife-in-law. She actually saved my life. She lied to him and said I was going to be back but I left and that's the first time I left and then I ended up getting with this other guy that worked for a casino and he became my pimp and he was a very very sick individual he would lock me in the house and not let me have the key to get out and he would threaten me I'm going to start a fire and if you don't do

I say. We're going to both die in here. And he actually had me buy the bars for the house for the windows and the doors and stuff. It's crazy. I was with him for almost five years. And I finally got away because of my little brother. One of my phone girlfriends, I called her up. I got a rental truck to get some of my furniture out that I had purchased, but it was already damaged because he took a knife and sliced the leather. I had a pink leather natuzi couches. It was pearlized leather. It was beautiful. Specialty ordered from Italy. He took a knife and sliced them all up. But I thought somehow I could get him like repaired and then never realized and I should have just bought another set of furniture. Right. I didn't want to lose that. So my brother

came that day and brought a shotgun and made it very clear to my ex-pimp that I was going to leave with him. So I did. Did you stay in vain? I did. Then, long story short, I had

a trick, get me out of the business. And when I quit, officially, I quit the escort services on May 18th, 1998. I got engaged to him on that date. And so I was engaged to him until...

How long had you been seeing the... 2003, 2004. You'd been seeing the trick for about a year. You know what? I had known him since 92. Okay. So I kept in touch with him, and I knew him for all those years.

he became my friend, my confidant. Like I would complain to him about everything and tell him and I want to get away from this guy. And, you know, he wanted to help me. So I stashed money and got my own apartment. And my apartment was right next to his apartment that he had. And he had just gotten divorced from his wife. And he ran a body shop. So I ended up moving into my apartment finally by myself.

And. I got away from that last abuser. Yeah. What, what did you, I mean, what were you doing then? Like, were you still, you know, working. That's a long, you know what I'm saying? Like, did you get a regular job? Okay.

So, so I started working for his, his body shop. And here's what's crazy is we had accounts across the city and across the valley, accounts to fix cars like dent repair. bumper fender fender benders and we had this company from japan that came in and said hey we're going to show you this quick dent repair method it was 30 second cure for the clear coat 30 second cure for the primer and 30 second cure for the bando and it was amazing this japanese technology so they said hey we want you to open up our flagship store so we did we opened up this place called cars medics and they gave us a million dollars and we opened up the store and i was the operations

manager of my job i had 11 employees at the time i learned a lot from that by the way i learned a lot from working at cars medics and uh it was good the first couple years i got into a home it was least option to buy my first home ever to finally own for myself and my partner at the time. And what sucks is I quit doing cocaine because I started doing cocaine in 1997. Then I quit in 1999. And in 2002 picked up the habit again. And for eight months, I went on a just total rampage. But by the way, in between that, I was getting all these dealer accounts for our business.

Our business failed, but I was like turning tricks to get them. I was making deals with some of the managers and doing unethical, sexual things to make it happen. So technically, I was still using my looks and my sexuality to get what I needed to make myself successful with my partner. and he didn't know that part by the way so if he watched this video i'm sorry to burst your bubble but yep i sure was doing that but i was angry at him because i found out that he was calling the escort services again and it busted my heart in half i just thought that i was enough he didn't have to do that like why that broke my heart and i think that's what led into my doing cocaine again and just trying to escape my feelings.

I had severe complex trauma and I had no idea how to get rid of these achy, scared little girl triggering feelings that I was manifesting left and right and cocaine solved all my problems. You know, it just did. Made me feel normal. I did a lot of Coke. I felt normal all of a sudden like I was. still a virgin. I was still happy and I was a young kid again, you know, because it raises your

dopamine levels. Obviously, it's cocaine, right? Right. And so I, uh, wow, I couldn't get up without it. I started to do so much Coke that I started smoking it at the end. And on August 2nd, 2003 is when I overdosed. And I, at the time, I had overdose twice in one week. I tried to kill myself before, though, in my car, but it was years earlier when my sister died when I was going through chemotherapy and radiation. And so the cocaine overdose was smoking it the first time and then passing out. And I remember calling my father going, dad, I was so honest with them. I remember calling my mother and my father.

And I told my daddy that I smoked cocaine. And he just was like, what? And I said, yeah, dad. He goes, Annie, he goes, you can't do that. Then he told me a story about having cocaine on the table. I'm like, was blown away by that in the 70s. He told me a story about having it at a party. And he said he didn't want to do it because it scared him.

Anyway, I, four days after that is when I actually overdosed and had the ambulance come and get me and had a heart attack. You had a heart? How old were you? Oh, gosh. It was 2003. So it was August. You know what? I think. Let's look at the calculator. I can't remember. I think I think I was in my 30s. I was 35. I was 35. 35 years old in 2003 yeah okay yeah 65 years old in 2003 yep yeah okay yeah I'm 55 now 68 right okay yeah 67 so August 2nd 2003 is when I overdose okay and I have never gone back to the drugs since

gone done finito that was the last time and basically um have led a sober lifestyle and then decided because i was reading my bible and watching christian television late at night because i was up at night usually doing my drugs right for eight months straight and i saw joyce mire come on the television i was like who is this chick man she is off the chain wild like with that Southern accent, you know, talking like this. Don't you know God loves you? And I'm like this chick right now. Really? And I actually had the audacity to believe that God loved me. Sure did. And I started having dreams about Jesus. And the dream I had of him was he told me I was loved. I was beautiful, that he chose me and that he forgave me and that he wanted me to tell the girls

that I knew and other girls that were stuck in the sex industry, that they're loved and that they're beautiful just like me and that they don't have to do this anymore. They don't have to be stuck in slavery. So it was basically the love message. And that's what started the agency that I run now. Yeah, I started going out to the strip, reaching out to the women, giving them my card, asking them if they need help to get away from their traffickers, their pimps, and then I would bring them to my own personal house, which is our original destiny house. Well, I didn't call it that back then, but I started bringing girls to my own home because I had nowhere to take them. Then I opened up the first house, and that was quite a crazy time, too, because I was,

because I was single still. I wasn't married yet. And I lived there for almost a year. And then I got married to my husband, Oz Fox from Striper, my rock star husband. We were engaged while I live there. The girls at the house loved it. Back then we took children too. We had mothers and babies at that house. So we had a house full of people. That was a really good time in my life. But I do remember getting married and then coming back from my honeymoon because I took a three-week honeymoon and I cried my eyes out because first of all I loved being married. I loved it. But my husband had to go on a three-month tour with his band. So I wasn't going to see him for three months. That was hard. That was, ooh, man, that was a test right there. And I ended up finding other people

to work at the house. So I didn't have to be there all the time. And who's funding this? Oh, yeah. I had my nonprofit. I filed for it in 2007. But I was already doing the nonprofit work since 2004, 2005. So nobody. I mean, I was like the church I was with at the time was giving us food food vouchers and gas vouchers for the car. And then they paid for the rent for the house because it was one of their intern homes. So that's how we were funding the house. It was crazy back then. And then now I have our own house that our nonprofit owns actually. And it's on a much larger property. And there are several houses on the property. And we actually have another house off property, which is called Dreamhouse. So we have Destiny House now. And then we have Dream House.

So we have a total of 18 beds right now. And so what do you do? You just, you go out to the strip, you and you just talk to girls and say, look, there's another way. You can get out of this situation. Yes. I mean, that's the thing is you offer them help, but you don't force them out. If they don't want to get out of that lifestyle, you can't, like, convince them to. But what you can do is talk about the life that you have now and do you want to get free? Do you want to be able to choose your own career? Have your own car. Have your own house. Buy your own clothes. Have your own bank account. You know, here's the thing is that being out of that lifestyle gives you so many choices. You don't have to be stuck selling your body for the rest of your life. Because listen,

you're going to get old. You're going to age out of the system. You're not going to look cute like you do right now like your body is not going to be flawless like it is now like when i left the industry even though i was 35 i'm telling you i look good still some people try to accuse me of getting out of the industry because i looked old well take 20 years off this body right now and imagine my face and my body i look good okay i'm 55 i'm 55 i'm I've had no plastic surgery, except for obviously my chest. And just saying, dude, I hate it when people accuse me that. Oh, you got out because you were, you were all used up and you looked ugly.

Who are these people that are accusing you of stuff? You'll be surprised. You'll have, you'll have them in your comments. Trust me. They'll be in these comments on this feed. You'll see them. And those are the haters. Hey, they're going to hate.

Hey, they're going to hate Romans eight. They're going to be here commenting. you'll see them and you'll know who they are because usually to me those people are actually buying the girls they are saying let's legalize prostitution there's no trafficking those girls love what they do they love sex really dude do you know many orgasms i faked in my life do you really think that i wasn't acting on all those tricks i turned are you that dumb like dude we're the best actresses in the world we should all have Oscars all of us so do girls ever get you know you ever do they ever come to the house and stay for

three weeks and then go back to the street sometimes that happens there is a stat that happens that with women that are in the game and that have been in the sex industry they go back five to seven times before they actually quit and that's a really up and down stat it's pretty average for me i left the game several times and quit and then came back quit came back quick came back so i totally get that like sometimes you're just not ready or all the way done you know like obviously i'm a really good example right now i have been out completely for years upon years now and yeah i'm not going back there's no reason to and by the way i could i could because i still look good okay just saying um so i mean we're just i'm making jokes right now man

i'm just you know i just these haters are just i just need to just flip them off i just don't need to be having negativity in my life and um that's one thing that i think that i think that I lacked as a young girl was the confidence in myself to stand on my own two feet and to really love myself and believe in myself and understand that I am intelligent and God designed me a certain way. I'm colorful. I'm creative. I'm fun. I'm an artist. I'm a visionary. I'm a leader. I'm a type A. I'm a caloric. That's my high score on the, and my second is the yellow color, which is the sanguine. That's me. That's how I was built.

And I love me. I love being who I am. I'm not perfect. Never said I was. But I do enjoy being who I am in the position that I am in. I wouldn't have it any other way. I enjoy doing interviews like this. I enjoy talking about myself and about what's happened to me because I love to educate people on trafficking and how it can happen.

Okay. So go ahead, ask the question. Well, I mean, I'm thinking how to formulate the question is that right now this is, you know, this is what you're doing. Like what led to your, you have a TV show right now that's on a Christian channel, correct? Is that right? Yes. I have a podcast as well. I'm on, I think Spotify, Apple, come and check.

it out. It's called Annie's Pink Chair. Yeah. So I have that because I was offered that by a friend of mine. They saw me speak at an event in 2019. And they said, hey, I think you would be great if you were a talk show host. You're so good on camera, Annie, and you're so good with your words. And I was like, what? And I prayed about it. Talk to my husband. We met with the couple and that's the result of the chair that I'm sitting in right now. I said yes and then got on this television network locally in Las Vegas only and then all of a sudden Tennessee opened up their doors to us to be aired in Tennessee and then Florida. So we were on the super channel for a while. You know what the super channel is? No, but yeah, I can't remember what station is,

but there's a, I think there's a couple and it's in the Orlando area. But then I, I was, there was a door open to do national on CTN, which is DISH, direct TV, both of those. And then Glory Star, which I don't know what Glory Star is. And then, of course, live online during, you know, a live streaming event. So every Sunday, 8 o'clock, 8 p.m., whether that's Pacific, Eastern, Mountain, or Central. So people can watch us. since it's called Annie's Pink Chair. Okay.

Pretty cool, pretty cool for an ex-call girl, huh? How long have you been doing this? The show? Yes. Oh, three years now. Yeah, three years. Okay. And I actually would really, really enjoy continuing it and keeping the podcast going.

I like to interview people. I'm very interested in other people's stories. And I enjoy just talking, just having conversations with people, getting to know what people are. And you know that, right? So the journey, the journey of someone coming from their childhood to where they are now and what that looks like and how did they get to where they're at. And I have so many people that want me to train them how to spot traffickers,

train them how to look for people that are traffic, train, you know, HSI and, the police, and I'm on our task force here in Las Vegas, also I'm on the advisory board as chair for the survivor part of it. And then, I mean, we train law enforcement, casinos, churches, just regular people, schools, colleges about trafficking and educate them on what it looks like in the United States, right? The kind of particular trafficking that I was in, there is 25 official types of trafficking, my trafficking was sex and labor trafficking. So those are my two expertise right now. And then just having what I do as an opportunity, as a leader, being a survivor champion leader that can show other people that are in the sex industry, look, this is not

your only job. You can be a judge one day. You could be a police officer. You could be a lawyer if you want to. You can have your own art studio. You can be a musician if you want. You can be a talk show host. You can run an internet company. I don't know. Pick it. Whatever you want.

Whatever flavor it looks like. Do it. Just do it. Were you, how often do you do the podcast? Oh, it drops usually every week, every Friday. Okay. So it's tied into my TV show usually.

So we try to keep it very, successive like every single week and sometimes I take breaks for a couple weeks and the longest brick I think we took was like a month, two months maybe. So I think it's when I was not feeling well and I was in and out of the hospital. So we took a break. But yeah, I try to keep that going because people love that type of thing. They drive to work, put the headphones in or they're working out. They put the conversation on their phone. It's just enlightening. And it's also I try to get people on that have really cool stories that have overcome something that was pretty major that they shouldn't have overcome that usually the stats say they cannot make it so i was going

to tell you about destiny house destiny house is a place where someone can come get out of the sex industry uh they can get the trauma therapy they never had all the counseling they need get stabilized because emotionally you're a whole wreck when you get out of the agency When I first got out, I had PTSD off the chain, okay? I was having, like, nervous anxiety attacks, and Matt, I didn't know where they were coming from. I was ending up in the hospital. The doctors put me on Xanax. So I was on Xanax for, like, at least a half a year.

Finally, I threw the pills down the toilet because they were making me a zombie. And I was like, you know what? I'm just going to deal with this, whatever this is. And I didn't know that I was having anxiety attacks. I didn't know I was having post-max stress disorder. I had no idea. It was a symptom of me getting out of that lifestyle. Right.

I didn't know I needed stabilization. I didn't know. Isn't that crazy? Like, I just, it didn't dawn on me that my body was like reacting and just like getting triggered. And there was times I would pull my car over and I couldn't drive. I call my friend up, come get me? Why? I can't drive. Like my mind is thinking, you're going to die, you're going to die,

you're going to die. I'm telling myself, I'm going to die. And then I would just immediately just start praying, Jesus, peace help me. Jesus, peace help me. I don't know what's going on. I'm scared. And then I would drink a bunch of water. And then finally, boom, about a half an hour layer, be out of that episode. But I literally thought I was going to die. I wore a heart monitor on me for at least three months at a time to find out what was wrong. with my heart and the doctors did tell me that my heart was spiking quite frequently during the anxiety attacks so something was going on in my body for sure it's called trauma so the girls come and get their trauma therapy and then once we know that they're ready for stable you know

they're stabilized and they also have their own self-studies we're a christian-led program so they can pick from a bunch of different studies, and it's very individualized. And then if they want to go to church, they can. If they don't, they don't have to. They go to, you know, meetings for addiction, meetings for just, you know, self-discovery and encouragement and spiritual gatherings as well. And then, you know, they get their own workout trainer. They learn how to cook their own meals and stuff.

They have like dog therapy, and then we have horse therapy. which is really fun, really helpful, too. Like, they completely brag about that. Then we do art therapy, so they paint, they do projects that they work on. They make things and do paper mache stuff. And then the girls finally, they get to this point where they're going to pick their career out. So they look through a book, an online website, there's about 500 things to pick from. And there's grants.

with these careers they pick and they get to go to school. So they'll go to school from anywhere from two months to a year or two years, depends on what they choose in the learning track. And then we let them stay with us while they're doing the school. And then once they graduate, the people that we partner with help them get placed in jobs. And so we partner with a bunch of people in our community. See, it takes a village. It doesn't take just one person.

you need a bunch of people working together. We help them, you know, get their records straightened out because their records are trashed after they get arrested so many times. I personally was arrested 25 times for what I used to do. Yeah. Whoa. My record is sealed so you can't look it up. Sorry.

These are misdemeanors, right? Yeah, mine are all misdemeanors, correct. Solicitation and loitering, that's where my main charges, and one domestic violence charge. because my ex-pimp, I actually tried to take my power back. He sold some money from me and choked me out, locked me in the bathroom, and then I went ballistic, took a broom, and started hitting him with it. Unfortunately, the people in the neighborhood saw me doing it,

and they called the cops on me. I went to jail, even though he put his hands on me first. But I didn't stitch on my pimp back then, so I didn't tell the cops that he was beating me first. so whatever it's over and done with so i ended up uh you know making sure that everything in our program is what i needed and more things that i never got myself that i really needed trauma counseling someone to guide me someone to help me someone to mold me and show me hey here's a better option choose this one this looks a lot better for you like and then when they get done with their school

of course they get their job and then they save up for their car and they save up for their new place they're going to stay in and after they're done with the dream house because they move into the dream house when they have their job and when they're in their school usually that's the track that they're in the program and then they'll end up finding their permanent housing after that which we are so excited about because this means so much success when they get to that point after they've been with us for a little while you know a year two years three years four years they could stay with us for free, for free 100%. We don't make them pay for anything. You know, they have their own little EBT card, but that's it. Everything else is provided for them. So, you know, we hope that

they would be self-sufficient by the time they leave our dream house and into their own self, you know, independent living, which we help find for them. So we have an employee just dedicated for that task itself, finding them permanent housing, permanent cheap housing. so all right sounds good what yeah is there anything you think feel like we haven't covered well i would say to really really investigate who you give to because we are a non-profit we're a 501c3 everything you give to us is taxed right off we are audited every year we have audited books you can call us up and ask us to mail it to we will mail it to you if you want to see where our money goes

also our 990s are public that's the report for a 501c3 and we are survivor led and this is the sad thing matt people they do not support survivor led initiatives as sad as that sounds i have seen it with my own eyes i see these agencies that are not survivor led get millions of dollars and then we're just sitting here going huh it's costing us because between 26, it's like $2,700 to $3,200 a day to run our program, okay? That's what it costs us to run that with 25 employees. Security guards are included in that, by the way. They're packing, too.

Don't step on our properties. If you're not invited and you're trespassing, not a good idea, okay? We have, we're packing, okay? So, and there's cameras everywhere, too. So everyone gets filmed. but we want to raise funds for our staff to take care of our clients. And we can't do that when people don't donate. So I have to make choices like, do I shut the program down?

Because we don't have enough to pay the house managers that are taking care of the girls. We don't have enough to pay someone that's driving them somewhere that's important, like school. like that doesn't make any sense to me i don't want to say any names but there's non-profits out there getting millions and there's no aftercare we're the aftercare if they don't have us how do they get better is there do you got you have like a link or a yes me page or yeah you can go to hookers for jesus dot net or pinkchair.org, click on the donate link, tax write off. And you can also wire us money. We can give you that information. I'm probably going to put that on the website, our bank account information.

You can also send us a money order. You can write us a check. You can make it out to pink chair if you want. You can make it out to Destiny House. I have DBAs and all those names. Okay, you don't have to make it say, Hookers for Jesus. You can write it out, like I said, Destiny House or Pink Chair. We can still cash that check because, like I said, it all goes to the same. not in profit hookers for Jesus well I can put that in the description box too I'll give you those links if you don't mind I'll send those to you and that way your audience the people that aren't hating on me right now saying that I'm not a victim and that I love this lifestyle and I loved having sex with all these men and I love the money and look who doesn't love money

who doesn't need money to survive duh hello you're doing this channel because why this is what you do for a living Matt right it is believe it or not help a guy out you guys help Matt out I'm going to be an advocate for you Matt okay

help Matt out okay this guy is making a living off his YouTube channel this is what he does and I'm jealous of you Matt because I would like to do that so you need to teach me okay we'll definitely we'll talk my channel is very small right now but i'm growing it it's little but hopefully some people will subscribe to it today um i'm going to start uploading some stuff up there pretty soon in the next couple months and it's right now it's on it's called hooker for jesus

i do have an annie lober one too which i'm going to be probably working on you know fixing that one as well but right now we're on instagram we're on twitter that everyone hates twitter now X called the X now. We're on Instagram as well. And my name too, my name Annie LaBeer. If you wrote a check that Annie Lobert, it would be cashed into the agency because my name is a DBA. It's Annie LaBeer Ministries. So yeah, we have a lot of choices.

Annie LaBeer on the pink chair. You know, my friend Sam Sorbo just pointed that out to me today. I don't know if you know who that is. No. But she is married to Kevin Sorbo Hercules Yeah Hercules So she was like Annie

Just be Annie LaBear Why not do that? That's so simple I was like You're right Sam She kind of talked me into it Yeah that's funny Because I used to watch Hercules

When I was being trafficked And I was wishing so bad That there would be a guy out there That could rescue me like that Like that could guide me And guard me and get rid of the bad guys and at the time I couldn't find anybody so I'm so glad now that I'm married

and my husband is just the most amazing person you'd ever want to mean he's kind, he's funny makes you laugh, he can play the guitar like nobody's business they just got nominated for a Dove Award, Striper did, the band that he's in, hey, not too bad. They were also nominated for a Grammy when they were on MTV so they're not dumb guys, they know what they're doing. They have been in their band

for 40 years, Matt, 40 years, Striper. We'll put that in the description, too, and put a link to that as well. But yeah, it's cool because it's heavy metal, but it's rocking for Jesus. They're singing about God. So pretty cool. All right.

I just am so proud of my husband. He's just such a great advocate for us. So, but yeah, does that sound? awesome or what? That sounds great. Pincture.org hookishreadieus.net. Come hang out with us, follow us. You'll get educated. Trust me. There's always new things I'm talking about. And I've got a very wild perspective because I used to be a call girl. Oh, and by the way, I went with a lot of celebrities back in the day. They used to call her escort services. Very famous leading men. Yes, naughty boys. Hollywood was part of my trafficking as well.

so well hey for annie annie i appreciate it you're welcome i appreciate you uh taking time to talk to me and don't forget last thing we got this in english and spanish oh yeah we in the house with phalan see you see that spanish and then we got the english version here and then of course I am on downloadable on Amazon, my voice. This reads like a movie. You won't want to put it. You'll be like, girls, stop, don't leave.

That's my story that I just told you, but in a very detailed format, it's going to take you about six hours to get through this puppy, but it's worth every second. Trust me, you'll get educated, you'll get mad at me, you'll laugh, you'll cry with me,

and at the end, you'll be very satisfied. You'll be like, dang, that girl. She's my friend now. I feel like I know her. So just come on. over to my area of the town because I'll definitely give you a great entertainment. You will not be bored with me at all. Hey, I appreciate you guys checking out the interview. If you liked it, do me a favor and subscribe to the channel. Hit the bell so get notified of videos just like this.

Share the video. Leave me a comment. Like the video. Do all the things you're supposed to do. I really do appreciate it. And I'll see you. Hey, this is Matt Cox, and I'm going to be interviewing Bailin Enriquez. Correct. Yes. So you were, what was your indictment for? I was indicted for transporting women for purposes of prostitution and money laundering. There was more charges, but those are the substantive ones.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I always say bank fraud when it's like, I'm not going to, I could list them. All right, so, and this was in what year? 2018. All right, so basically you were, you were bringing in, you were like a high-end madam bringing in women as an, to be escorts. I mean, I know you, you can, you can correct me.

That's why I know, no. You know, over the course of, what, back when was this, 2000? So we started, um, 2000, end of 2000. 2015, up until, um, more or less beginning of 2018. Um, so for about three years. Yes, for about three years. All right. Um, so and you're from Venezuela? No, you're from Ecuador. I'm from Ecuador. Yes. Okay. So you're from Ecuador. You came here when you were 21 years old.

Yes. And that was for, that was after you've been, you've been going to school. Um, yes. So I was in, uh, met school in Ecuador and then, And I came here so that I could just, you know, because I didn't want to study medicine anymore. So I came here and decided to like just take another path in life and, you know, I have a degree in management and I have a master's in finance. So master's degree in finance. So you came to the United States and what was initially what were you doing when you came here? Well, I was going to school and I was also working three jobs. because obviously, you know, like I didn't really come with a lot of things. So it was really hard and I mean, not as hard as like somebody without their green card,

but, you know, I had to make sure that I was able to, you know, support myself and get a car and everything else. So, yeah, it was hard. What were some of those jobs? I used to work, I work at a doctor's office. and I work at the mall and I work for like a store so I had you know like my hours were crazy I was working a lot of hours so when did you and then you had were you married at that time or no I got married in um I came here in 2004 um and I got married in 2012 all right and so you got married And then how did you eventually get into, you were saying, companions, right?

You were a companion. Yes, I was, yeah. Okay. So, you know, like I always kind of toy with the idea because, you know, I used to just think, you know, oh, this is possible maybe, you know, like this would be like an ideal job for me because I was going to school at the time. and I had a friend who also got in trouble but I didn't really know the extent of her activities

she was a companion too right and you know like this is an agency no this is just like an independent companion she was my friend you know when I was just like civilian let's say that's what we call them so you know like I knew that she was doing something right so with my idea of like oh you know maybe that's like a fun job whatever um you know i realized or she eventually told me that she was a companion also so i'm

like okay this is too much of a coincidence and she's the one that introduced me to my ex-husband because she was the one that was used to take pictures with him right he was a photographer yeah he was a photographer so she's the one that uh he used to take her pictures so um she introduced me and from that point on you know like we you know we became friends whatever and we ended up getting married so so the so how are you getting clients like i mean is there a website yes yes um so you advertise there's several websites um eros is one of them um you know heroes heroes heroes guide yes heroes guide they are the main website right now um and uh you know sometimes like there was other smaller websites uh p411 um

you have the erotic review, which is like the review website, like it's the Yelp for companions in a way. Right. So you can advertise there, but I think that, you know, most of the better clientele comes from Eros. Sometimes at some point, Backpage 2, but obviously Backpage, you know, had such a bad reputation towards the end. So that's, you know, that's where the good clients come from.

So you're saying, so you explained to me earlier that, you know, you. you and the other women call yourself companions because basically escort being known as an escort has a bad connotation to it it's you're thinking that as an escort you know typically it has some type of their sex involved but being a companion you were saying a lot of the times

you're just you're just going with somebody to dinner or on vacation or that sort of thing yeah I mean and I feel like also people like you said it's right like there's a negative connotation associated to that so being a companion is a more um you need to actually uh be uh more exclusive upscale um you know ideally you speak several languages not just one ideally you went to college or you're going to college because you're going to be dealing with a lot of very powerful people that probably won't be okay with just somebody that it's not doesn't really know how

to um socialize or right you know behave so i i mean i actually i actually knew a guy when i was locked up his girlfriend there was an older guy he was like 75 years old and he had been retired his wife had died like i don't know 20 years earlier or something and she basically like they went to venice for two weeks they went you know she was young she was late 20s and she's going with him to all these different places and and you know he he was like yeah and I was like so she's like an escort he's like yeah but she didn't sleep with him and I was like what and he's like no he's like he's 75 years old as you know he goes she basically just goes with him and you know she she she speak she spoke a couple different languages she and she traveled with him all over the

place and I was like I don't I did I didn't why would he's like I don't know he's like he goes I'm sure she he would but and i don't know maybe he was i don't think i don't know i was going to say maybe maybe she was lying to him but the guy was 75 he was way older than her and he you know he looked at her like a daughter or something and they just he wanted someone to be there to hang out with him to spend time with so i mean i'm sure a lot of times it's it's much more than that but in that case like i just remember him telling me this and he would oh she just got back from belgium she just got back from so yes and you get to do and you get to do and you get to do like incredible things in that line of work right things that you probably

probably just as a regular person you would never be able to do right so yeah I mean people think that it's just about being you know intimate with clients and that's not always the case because you know some people don't necessarily want that some people just want to be next to a beautiful woman at a restaurant or like go on vacation and you know like enjoy the conversation and you know just someone that they can go to dinner with right so and obviously that requires compensation so that's the misconception well so but at some point you opened your own place correct and how did how did that take place well i mean i think it's you're basically running it yourself anyway you started doing it for other girls yes

Or women. Because I think that it's a normal transition, right? Everybody, like, you know, when you like something and you're pretty good at it, you're like, okay, let me scale up, right? I want to be like a business owner. I always wanted to be a business owner anyway. So my ex-husband was like, okay, you know, like you're very successful on what you're doing. You know, I had a smaller agency that only did Miami, which, you know, it was much easier for me.

but he was like, you know, I'm going to introduce you to my, you know, a former business partner who's also in my indictment. So he's the one that connected us so that, you know, we can expand together because she was also his client. He used to take her pictures as an independent companion and he used to take the pictures of the girls that work for her. So, you know, in retrospect, I feel like he also did it to benefit himself because the bigger we got, the more business he'll get, right?

The more, you know, the busier he'll be, which, you know, ended up being the case and the reason why he got indicted. Right. So, but. I saw on the indictment that there was the photography business was money was being run through the photography. No, no. What happened was that by him referring, I mean, it's conspiracy.

That was one of the charges, too. So he did something to further our activities. and you know he was referring girls to us okay so he was getting referral fees from us so he was involved besides being a photographer so well i mean i i i guess maybe i i made that leap because in the indictment there's like you know there's this this account had 400 and some odd thousand going through it this account had you know whatever 80 000 this account like they were showing these different accounts that had money going through them and it was in the same general area i assumed it was through the, you know, he loaned their money too

because obviously he was getting paid with proceeds of our activities and at the same time he was getting kickbacks from us or like referral fees and he was also taking pictures. So yeah, he was very involved. So basically, so what did you do? You set up a website and then you start

what you have the girls do some kind of a shoot. They put like a... Yes. So, I mean, you know, we run our agencies like regular companies, you know, in the sense that we had a website, we had an office, we had, you know, full-time staff, marketing, yeah, so mainly websites and make sure that we had a great customer service. We had a lot of also booking forms. So, yeah, it was pretty organized. It was, you know, very organized. Right. Where were the bulk of the the women coming from?

Mainly they were from South America. They were from Venezuela, Colombia. Some of them were from Europe. But yeah, I mean, they came voluntarily. Nobody forced them to come, you know. But obviously, you know, it's understandable that they were coming because, you know, where they came from, it was really bad. Yeah, of course.

Right. So, so they're coming in for what, like 90 days? that they work for 90 days and then they go back or yeah whatever because one had mentioned yeah of course uh well i mean uh we never encouraged them to overstay like i i always made that clear because i didn't want to deal with them staying here illegally working you know with us then it's an issue for them to come back too yeah yeah yeah and you know like obviously uh i wanted to make sure that we didn't have a lot of liability on that sense and uh you know so they stayed for whatever time they got their visa for or like be allowed to come for so and then they went back

they stayed in their country for a little bit or do whatever they needed to do and then they came back whenever they were able to come back so so what kind of like what kind of money are they making i mean what kind of what's it they made a lot of money yeah he made a lot of money like some of them made like 10 grand a week right so um yeah i mean and not only that I mean, not only they made money just because of their donations, let's say, because that's what we call them, like the considerations that the clients pay, but they were also getting gifts and different things. You know, the clients are very generous, so, you know, so they wanted to make sure that the girls were happy and they would get tips. So, yeah. Okay.

So how long did this go on? And were there any issues? Like, like, what kind of issue? We had issues. We had issues. We had issues. And mainly issues because I feel like some girls didn't understand that this was a real business. This was not a fly-by-night operation where, like, you know, you set up shop and you're like, start sending them clients.

No, I mean, we were serious about what we were doing. And they didn't follow the rules. So they would be loud in hotels. So sometimes, like, you know, the cops will show up. or like they would not follow our safety protocols. So sometimes, you know, clients took their stuff. Even though we told them, like, you know, they need to, like, secure their personal property

or they need to secure their donation. So, you know, like, yes. And there was times where cops showed up. But you just have to deal with it. Right. You know, or some girls were, like, intoxicated, which is something that it was frowned upon. So yeah, there were issues

And the clients were coming from All over the United States Like the girls are coming from all over the world The clients are within the United States Are they in other countries? What happened was that we used to send the girls on tour For a week So we would send them to North Carolina

We would send them to Pennsylvania We would send them to Ohio Different parts of the United States So like we had like a large large list of clients So because we did so much market thing then the clients would go see them at their hotel like during that week so so they would fly all over the united states like i had like sometimes 18 20 girls working in one week in 1820 different cities and are you are you like arranging like their flights i mean is are these

and the clients or the clients the clients are paying your company and then you're arranging everything the clients no we would send them like weekly somewhere right so the girls were able to they were responsible for taking care of their travel and everything else because to me that was the main crime like facilitating or transporting them right and I was totally against it but you know I'm not going to take less responsibility for it because I fully knew that my business partner was on board for doing this because sometimes they would be like oh I don't have any money okay let us pay for your ticket let us pay for your hotel and then you can go work and you can refund us but um i didn't want to do that but you know it had to be done because it was they

couldn't work so how are you getting paid like if the clients aren't paying you directly they're paying they're paying the girls and the girls would go to the bank no the girls would go to the bank and make deposits every day and that was the other problem because obviously you know the banks were raising red flags like a suspicious activity reports like they call it right so they were sending this information to the government because the deposits were they i think at some point they thought that we were doing structuring but it was not like that because obviously like you know sometimes it would be less than a thousand dollars every every it was you know like minimal quantity so they probably thought that we know we were running some sort of funky thing structuring is when you're trying cash a check

for instance you try and cash a check under or you get multiple you're getting a payment of over 10 000 and you're pulling cash out, but you try and structure it in a way that you can catch out less than the reporting. So you do it in small bits and pieces of deposits. So that you don't walk in and say, I need $12,000 in cash because you know that's going to be a CCR or you know it's going to be a suspicious activity. So you say, give me $5,000 and then give me a money order for this. And then two days later you say, give me another $3,000 and just try and keep it.

You said, when you said structuring, most people don't know what structuring. Yeah, of course. So, like, I think that was the suspicious at the beginning because they were like, oh, there's deposits for like, you know, like every day, like for $1,000, for $500, for $600,000, for $600,000 in different parts of the United States. So they were like, you know, suspicious of that. And then, you know, like they started closing our accounts. So, yeah, it was very complicated. Yeah, it's an issue. I know it's an issue.

So, I mean, this went on for like three years. Like, were there, I mean, did any of the girls get arrested? No, none of our girls got arrested ever. So what was actually, so what was the government saying that you had actually done that was illegal? Illegal that you were facilitating prostitution. Right. You know, it shouldn't be. Right.

But it is. Obviously, I was breaking the law by facilitating them to commit prostitution. They were not forced. They were not coercion. were like adults willing adults doing this but obviously I had some part of responsibility into making sure that they were doing that so and I was benefit I was getting a benefit from their activities so I was laundering money as well so how did the the whole I mean how did the whole case kind of like unravel yeah unravel because I mean you know you're saying you weren't there were no

arrest like you didn't see this coming what did you just come out of nowhere do you kind of Well, I feel like, you know, because all these women coming through the airport, really young girls that were coming frequently to the United States with no job or like non-occupation from like Venezuela, Colombia and everything, yeah, they, you know, erase red flags for the feds. And at the same time, I don't have confirmation of this, but I feel like that's one of the reasons. Eros Guide, the website that I was telling you about,

They got rated. So when you advertise with them, you have to send your passport or your ID so they know who you are. So I suspect that when they rated Eros, all that database and everything, the Feds had it. So it was just a matter of time. Okay. Like, you know, she owns this. Here's her passport. And this girl's work for her.

So it was a matter of like matching that with like them coming and going, get stop at the airport. probable cause of them committing prostitution. So get one of the girls, have the girls flip, and then we have everybody. And this is what happened. Plus the bank and, you know. Right, right. Well, I mean, so did you know there was an investigation going on at any time?

Or did you just one day, did you get raided? No, we never got raided. You got a letter to turn yourself in? No, what happened was that, you know, we knew. Like, girls started to get, like, picked up at the airport. So we were like, oh my God, you know, this is. is not good um but we didn't with a client or just by themselves the girls were coming they weren't even working for me at the time right some of them this is after the fact they had gone to do their

thing i suspect that maybe like maybe i don't have confirmation of this but i you know i heard that one of them was bringing drugs here so in order for her to like get out of his her mess she turned on us so but i don't have confirmation of that but you know it's like something I could consider. So, yeah, so they started getting picked up. They started getting calls from the agents and everything. You know, and we knew that at some point, we were going to get picked up. And we just kept working and we got picked up.

So how did that happen? Well, it was May 31st, 2018. I used to live in an apartment in Midtown. So, yeah, the Feds just came. knocking on my door. And the thing is like, the crazy thing, my ex-husband got picked up. He didn't get picked off first. They did a search warrant at the studio.

And they got like his computers and everything else. But I mean, so our attorney at the time was the same attorney that was representing him and helping him with that. So the attorney was like, don't worry about it. You know, like, we'll take care of this instead of being proactive. even saying listen like you know they are after you guys let's like go talk to them maybe we can like do some damage control here no he was like don't worry uh everything is okay i don't think anything is going to happen that happened in i'll say april 2018 and a month after we got

picked up so yeah it was terrible yeah so you definitely know it was coming um i knew it was i mean it's weird because like i told you our attorney was a assuring us that nothing was going to happen yet they you know and even when i got picked up i was like okay this guy claims that is not that bad so maybe he knows something i don't know but at the end i realized that he was a con artist uh so right you know that was a problem too yeah yeah he took i mean and if he's listening i hope that he ever he gets this bar because that's what he deserves for taking money from people and creating unnecessary conflicts and all those things. It's a license to steal.

Yeah. Give me one second. Okay, so today's podcast is sponsored by me. And here's why. We're looking at different ways to kind of generate revenues so that I can do more and more stuff on the YouTube channel and on YouTube in general. One of the things is I have a Patreon account right now. We're looking to kind of revamp the Patreon account and give. more into it and figure out ways to generate income and more you know more people to

to join the patreon we're going to do a tier system and we're thinking about like maybe doing a weekly vlog so do me a favor and let me know in the comments what you think i should be doing on patreon or what you'd like to see on patreon and the channel also i'd like to also mention real real quick that one of the ways i generate money and pay my bills is because i do have a degree in fine arts. I paint paintings. Here is Marilyn Monroe, big seller. People love Maryland.

And I have multiple paintings. Like I do these. These are modified screen prints. They sell for 285, and that includes me shipping them to you. So it's a straight 285, and I'll ship it to you. They're super cool, and I appreciate it, and let us know. And so I think we're going back to the story. Yeah, it's fun.

because everybody thinks they're always like, you know, attorneys, they're always, you know, oh, well, I got an attorney. Yeah, but did you get the right attorney? You know what I'm saying? Because that's very subjective. That's very subjective because obviously when you're in trouble, I mean, I had in, you know, I was thinking the other day, I had three attorneys before we even got picked up. And they were all con artists. And then the fourth attorney was another corner artist. So like, you know, my only, you know, my only, you know, my only. history with attorneys was that okay maybe all of them are like that but you know I wasn't in trouble back then and when I got you know when I was in trouble then this guy just you know he completely screwed us yeah give me $25,000 I guess I'm friends with the door whatever 50 or whatever I'm friends with the judge I'm going to get this quash it's not going to be a big deal that was another attorney I had you know throughout my case like I'm friends with your judge I have lunch with your judge. I got your prosecutor, his job, and that's another one.

I hope she gets this bar too. It's funny. I've met guys in Coleman that were arrested, and they had the same attorney, and they would get arrested on like a state charge that was clearly going to go federal. And the lawyer would say, look, I don't do federal. I do state. It's, you know, give me this much money. I'm going to take care of anything that happens, state.

I've got you. I've got you. Well, do you think it's going to go federal? I wouldn't even worry about it going federal. There's no way this is going federal. It's not big enough, but he already knows it's going federal. You're transporting drugs between multiple state lines. You got caught driving over from Georgia to Florida with drugs.

Like, it's going federal. And they're 20 grand, and they take 20 grand. And they know that two weeks later, it's going to go federal. And then they go, yeah, I don't do federal. I'm sorry. Or they are like, oh, I got your case dismissed. Yes, because the feds pick it up. Yeah, they'll pick, yeah.

Yeah, they'll pick you. Yeah, I got your release. They'll pick you up. Yes. They're going to pick you up. upon the courtroom steps. As you're walking out of the holdover, they're going to grab you.

Yeah, and attorneys, I mean, I hate to say it. I mean, I work for one who's very ethical, but most of them are very unethical because they know that you're desperate, they know that they don't want to spend a lot of time in prison, and they know that whatever you have left, you'll spend not to do that.

And, you know, they take your money, they disappear, they promise you things that are not even possible. And next thing you know, you're like going away for a long time, It was funny. My first attorney I paid, first time I got in trouble, I paid $75,000. And he was like, when I first talked to him, he went over the sentencing guidelines with me and explained to me that when he showed me the guidelines, like, he's telling me what this line means, what this line means.

He's like, you're right here. That's basically, that's three years in prison plus probation. I was like, are you serious? Now, keep in mind, nothing changed in my case. So give me $75,000 and I'm going to try and get you probation. gave him the $75,000. Now that I understand the sentencing and guidelines, and I look back and I know what the graph means,

I was never facing prison. It was always probation. So he got me three years probation. But the truth is, I was never, I could have gone to a public defender and gotten probation. I paid him $75,000. I got three years probation, which I was always facing. But I was terrified.

Like, I'm ready to give you everything I got to keep me out of prison. And, you know, so, I mean, now I, you know, now you know better. And hopefully I never have to talk to another attorney in that position anyway. Yeah. So. It's hard. Yeah. It's, it's bad.

It's like, you know, look, it's important to pick the right attorney. Yes. Very. I had a, I had a client, listen, I know a guy one time, his family picked an attorney because, simply because he spoke Spanish. But the, but the guy actually spoke, the guy actually spoke English. But he also spoke Spanish. So why would you pick an attorney?

Who would do that? That's ridiculous. That's what, that was your, I, I did, I wrote a story on a guy named Doug Dodd. His family picked his attorney because his first name was Doug. His dad's first name was Doug. And Doug's name was Doug. And he said, yeah, you know, it's Doug, Doug, Doug. So I just felt good about him.

Oh my God. That's what, and he paid him 40 grand. You paid him 40, you paid me 40 grand because his name's Doug. What are you doing? So anyway, yeah. Yeah, but, you know, like just to elaborate on that because it's very much. important, right? A lot of people like you, like, you know, myself, you know, and some people are that go and hire, retain attorneys because of the name. No, that's not, I mean, I don't know.

I wouldn't want to do that either. I mean, maybe, but sometimes you don't ever know, yeah, you hire the firm and then they end up giving your case to an associate. You're not even going to get the main guy. Yeah, I've seen that quite a few times. So, got to be careful. I know a guy that you walked around Coleman talking about how he, he had a Dershowitz. says as his attorney, and he did, but you didn't have, like, Alan Dershowitz. You had, like, his cousin was like Tom Dershowitz, who also happens to be, like, what are you doing? Yeah.

What are you? Yeah. Well, yeah, but his, you know, he can call him any time. What do you, what are you doing? You know, anyway, um, so you got, you got grabbed. You got, did you get probation? I mean, I'm not probation. I'm sorry.

Did you get out on bond? Yes. I was, uh, yeah. I was out on bond. Well, I mean, I had to wait. because again my case didn't involve coercion it didn't involve minors i mean it was like mainly money laundering and you know um transporting this women um at the beginning uh yeah my bond was uh what was it 250 000 with a nevia condition yeah what's a nebia is uh you have to make

sure that the funds that you're paying your bond are clear oh okay the funds that you're paying your bond with our clear so you had an avi a condition okay um which we met and um and then you know like i was out on bond for like eight months and then you know i had to go in go back in again so and you were sentenced i was sentenced to 15 months by one of the best judges in the world i love her she's amazing um yeah you don't hear that you don't hear that a lot i love her she's the like the most amazing person and i mean thanks to her is that the I got the time that I got because had it been for my attorneys, I would have gotten the maximum. She is, you know, an incredible person.

She's very kind. She's very wise. You know, and she saw it right through that, you know, what they were trying to give me, what the government wanted. It was unfair. What did the government want to give me? I was, my guidelines were 31 to 37. I ended up getting 15. Yes, 31 to 37 months.

Wow. First time offender, 31. Is it to what, like 15, that's 15, about what, 10 to 15 years? No, 31 to 37 months. Oh, months, I thought you meant, okay. No, 31 to 37 months. But still, like, you know, for the conduct, it was excessive. It was a lot because there was no coercion, no, nothing.

Like, adults, you know. Still a crime. Nobody's saying. No, nobody. No. They were willing participants, like, you know, they were free to come and go as they please, but, you know. so the judge saw it right through and you know she gave me you know she gave me what's just

was reasonable yeah it was reasonable um yeah i didn't get bond when they caught me i had three or four passports on me yeah i mean that's yeah that that was upsetting fly risk yeah so i mean i i try to i've told me i'm good for it i'll be here i'm not going i'll be no um okay so uh how would you do your time uh federal detention Center in Miami. In the detentions? You never went to an actual prison? No.

Because my security level, because of the, I mean, it's weird because, again, my attorneys advised me incorrectly to plead through something instead of the other thing. Right. So I pled to the charge that because they have no idea about what happens in prisons or how you get designated or like your security level. Right. My charge, it's somehow a sex offense, even though it's not a sex offense. It has a sexual component, but I'm not a sex offender.

Right. So. Do you have to register? No. No. No. Because, again, there was no contact or no enticement or any of that. Yeah, but the sex offender registry, you know, it's pretty broad.

Like, they'll put anybody in it. Like, you don't have to. Yeah. You know, so I was wondering if. Yeah. I mean, and that was another mistake that was made at the beginning because, you know, they didn't, my attorney didn't read anything correctly. So they had to fix that.

But no, I mean, you know, but that caused me to end up like, you know, my security level was higher. So I couldn't qualify for camp. Had I pled to money laundering, I would have qualified for camp. Right. But no. I had to go to a detention center, which is like administrative facility. So it's a low, it's a security level low. Yeah.

So where, so how long have you been out? I got out January 24, 2020. So about a year and a half. Yes. And you're already working, you already have a job working for a law firm and your own probation and you're doing well. Yeah, I'm, you know, fine. I'm fine.

I'm going to law school, hopefully in August. So that was, I was supposed to be in law school when this happened, but obviously that didn't happen. So I'm back on track. Did you ever fight, did you ever follow 2255 or anything? Or you just.

I wanted to. to. I wanted to, but because I was waiting for a Rule 35 because I cooperated. Then my attorney at the time didn't think it was a good idea because you're either with the government or against the government. So creating 2255, it's not going to get you a Rule 35. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely. So, all right. Everything's, yeah. Oh, all right. Good. I got a few questions. Just maybe, you know, my help with the title. I guess what is like the most money you'd say someone made in like whether it was a weekend or a trip over to america um something like that because like you know you're titled a video making making certain amount of money

oh yeah so what's the most um well i mean look sometimes it could be 10 000 on a weekend sometimes it could be a little bit more um so yeah i mean depends on there were girls that were making 10 000 a week weekend or yes I mean obviously they have to you know they get have to pay the referral fee to the agency but they you know they got to keep a chunk of money and you know that that's the thing we always took care of the girls we were never greedy like we always wanted to make sure that we told everything up front you know but they were doing well and that's why they kept coming back we didn't keep them like prisoners or anything you know they would go and come back so They're going, so they're coming to the United States for 90 days or so, and then going back to Columbia with 30 or 50 or 60, 70, 70.

I know some of the girls were making, like, had made like, was it like 80 grand or some of these? I mean, some of them made a lot of money. Right. Yeah. And so they're going back to Columbia with 80 grand. That's like $400,000 or something in the U.S. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, and in retrospect, I'm, you know, I'm glad that I was. able to help them, you know, have a better life because obviously with that, some of them bought apartments, some of them went back to college, they were able to help their family. So, yeah, a lot of, you know, they were able to accomplish a lot while they were, you know, working here. So, you know. Any other questions? Yeah, I mean, throughout the whole process, any, like when something goes wrong or any crazy these stories that um i mean there's great like i said you know there was cops that you know would

like knock on their door and they would freak out and everything so are they calling you at this time like are they calling you to say hey the cops are here or well i mean we retained an attorney that uh he was in-house counsel so he you know he prepare our protocol and everything so they were supposed to call him but sometimes you know they didn't call him they call me or whoever but you know like we had to tell them to stay calm and you know sometimes like in reality it wasn't even related to what they were doing it was just related to they're just drinking and you know yeah like you know things like that or maybe um i mean i mean i'm not going to say that maybe a couple of times it was because of that because you know like they were not discreet enough

because we wanted them to like nor be walking around the hotel with like provocative clothes you know and just be understated right but isn't that inevitable and you know but you just have to deal with it and make sure that they are safe that was you know the main thing that they don't freak out that they don't feel like we leave them hanging so yeah so what's what's kind of like the rules that you give somebody they just started like a quick run back well I had a caught of conduct like you know I was reading that the other the other day, you know, I was like, wow, I mean, I can't believe I even wrote this. But, yeah, it's crazy. It's like, you know, what they give you an introduction when you apply for, like, a job or something. So, well, I mean, you know, like they had to be, look good, you know, like, appearance, demeanor, be professional, treat clients right, because, you know, obviously there was reviews written so you don't want clients to write like negative things about them or else because

they would have been a mess um you know just keep keep uh the rooms clean because they were in hotels and sometimes they leave everything a mess um you know and always be safe always make sure that you know whoever we're telling you that you're meeting with that you make sure that you're meeting with that person check their ID uh follow the rules no drugs, no alcohol, you know, always constantly check in with us, talk to us, let us know, you know, you want to go on a break, let us know, so that way we are not messing up your, and, you know, and like, just be responsible because a lot of these girls, unfortunately, like, they, you know, they don't, they never had a job before, so they don't know how to behave. And, you know, we try to train them. and make sure that, you know, they were compliant with, you know, the rules that they were there for a reason. Right. So, so, but at no point when these guys are contacted, they're not, they're basically contacting him saying, hey, I need, I need a, I need someone to show up and go to dinner or whatever.

They're not calling up and saying, hey, I need, I need someone to come by my place and have sex. No. That was, no. If they did, what would. We would never book anybody that talk explicitly to a explicit in that explicit manner to us because. First of all, it's a red flag. You should never do that. And second of all, it's in poor taste.

I feel like, you know, you should never do that. Because you wouldn't do it to a civilian. Maybe, I mean, you would. But especially to us that we have so much liability. Why would we want to put ourselves out there like that? Could be a cop. But the guy, but they kind of know it's very possible this is where this could lead. Like, I mean, are these girls?

Obviously, but if you think about it, even in the context of like the regular war, Yeah, going on a date or whatever. I mean, what do you got to expect? Like, you're taking a girl out to dinner. Like, you know, you hope that eventually if, you know, the stars align, that something is going to happen. And, you know, we all know what's going on. But are you suggesting that men take women out to dinner and buy them dinner expecting sex? I mean, I'm not going to sit here and listen to that.

No, go ahead. Of course. I mean, you know, like, but I mean, I'm not going to deny. Maybe some men want to get to know, you know. you know whoever they are taking out to dinner but I mean there's expectations right the girl expects to be treated certain way the guy expects to you know receive something in return I mean it could be that the girl kisses him it could be that the girl holds his hand but it could be that the girl you know the chemistry is right maybe

they go somewhere because really they're just saying hey wanted to come by have dinner be a companion hang out and then nobody okay so nobody's ever saying anything about sex they're just saying let's hang out well i mean look and they had their the reason why they stayed in hotels is because clients would come to see them in hotels for it was an hourly thing mainly people book for an hour because they were these were really busy people so the girls would stay in a hotel clients would book appointments and then we'll book them some of them were dinner dates some of them decided to take them on weekend vacations but mainly they were hourly appointments okay so um you know volume like seeing a lot of people so i'm a big fan of volume so what else anything so like

your business like what you're really you're really very curious about something to think about so like how you had your business set up to an outsider like if they look at your business like what would they think it was i mean they would think it's just a regular legitimate business it's i mean and again like it's not illegal it's not illegal to to hire an escort to come have dinner with you, that's not illegal. It's not illegal to provide compensation, like to compensate someone for their time. Right. Right.

Because that's the premise that, I mean, I thought that we were safe in that area. But then when you have like, you know, like when that transpires into something else, that's when you're breaking the law. And obviously, you know, it's like a catch 22. You're not compensating somebody without the expectation that they, something else is going to happen. So, yeah, but. You know, that's a great area. I guess my one last question is like, was there one point for you where you knew that it could scale like into a business or like it was there like a moment of realization for you that you knew that you could scale this?

Yes. I mean, look, it was, I mean, we wanted to open as many agencies as possible. Even though we were the biggest ones, like we wanted to open as many as possible. We even thought about opening somewhere else in other countries and everything else. but it was very stressful too because obviously you have to be responsible for so many women even though you have staff and at the same time

there's a lot of liability because the more agencies you have the more girls you have out there you multiply the risk by you know increments of whatever so yeah I mean of course because I was making a lot of money I wanted to make more money but at the same time you know so how much money were you making like would you say a year or whatever you're bringing in i mean uh let's say that you know we were making about

i mean i would say at least more or less like a million a year i would think you're bringing that yeah but then you have no but then you know like we don't profit a lot from that like you know we were getting that you know discount the cost i i don't you know honestly I don't really know, like, exactly, I mean, we made a lot of money. I cannot tell you an exact amount because a lot of things we, you know, paid our rents with and everything else. So, like, personal gain, yeah, I mean, we made money. So you're saying, like, gross, you're grossing around a million, but you're also paying out staff. You're paying the rent.

You're paying for things like that. I mean, I mean, bottom line, I had a great lie. I'm not going to lie. But, you know, I cannot give you exact amount. I don't. I understand. Yeah. You know, this is, uh, any, you're famous.

I mean, there was a lot of famous people. There was a lot of important people, very powerful men, but, you know, I would never, you know, it's not, it's our code. We cannot talk about. But you have to live in Miami and I have to. Yeah, I mean, there was, I'm not going to lie. There was a lot of powerful people, but obviously, like, you know, I will always protect their identity. So what is in general? I mean, I'm sure it changed subtly, but what is an hour cost?

well it depends like sometimes it would be 300 an hour 400 an hour um yeah it varies like you know because sometimes they're staying overnight then obviously it's a different charge like you multiply that by you know or it depends some girls wanted to charge more I mean you know they set up they set their rates

but um you know average 300 350 400 because you have to stay competitive it's market rated you're not going to go to a place where the average is, you know, 300, 350 and charge 600 when maybe there's someone that looks like you that is charged. I mean, you know, you have to like analyze all these things and stay competitive. Because, you know, from our perspective, too, we don't want somebody to come here and be like, oh, you send me somewhere and, you know, it was not successful.

So I don't want to come back. So we wanted to keep them happy. That was our main thing. So the women that you're getting, these are these, like, how are they contact, how are you, how are they, how are they, they're contacting you or? Well, we had, we, I mean, you know, we used to advertise. We used to advertise a lot to, um, you know, in different, uh, websites. You know, we had other contacts throughout, like, the world, let's say that would like do recruiting for us. Uh, but mostly it was referrals, like from other girls. My ex-husband would refer us girls to. Um, yeah, word them out. Or, you know, hey, my girlfriend wants to come. Right. You know, and like, you know, and we also, I mean, that's a crazy thing.

And we would also give girls referral fees. Like you send me your friend, we'll give you a referral fee too. You know, so because we were fair. So what is, what was your split? If somebody's making $1,000, what are you getting off? So we charge a flat fee for every appointment. So let's say that the girl charged $300. We took $100.

okay so and sometimes for like longer dates it was percentage but it was a flat fee because we didn't want to get into the whole like oh you're taking a lot of money from us so it was flat fee no confusions everybody knows what's going to work in bulk it's just yeah yeah it's volume it's but i mean look some girls like they didn't have to do volume because they were so popular that a client one client would book them for like extended dates like you know a week or like three days or whatever so some of them didn't have to do that but that's you know that's how you do it call me you're all good do you want the name of the website again okay all right i mean i can give it to you i have no problem i have no shame right now i have no shame

anything else from the peanut gallery what do i do with the other 52 minutes that i have you just stare at the ceiling okay you just stare at the ceiling no and that's the thing like you know i want to make sure and clarify that it was not like a sex rump like people are going to think like in an hour i can no that's not the case it was never the case you know like i feel like clients appreciate being in the presence of a beautiful woman so they want to talk to her they want to hang out with her some of them would bring them lunch so they would have lunch with them you know like they did their thing they would have lunch with them or they would have a glass of wine with them or they would talk about i mean the most random things that you know but that's you know i mean it's companionship like i know it's

hard to understand and put that concept in their minds but it's just not about sex i'm 52 i understand i like this oh he's your he's your date okay we're leaving anything uh nothing we're good um is there any any similarities between all the like men that you had like like any characteristics that you notice and like all of them like they're just wanted like

what type of lives they lived or um well look most of our clients were married um and obviously are you suggesting that a married man sorry go ahead no I mean they were married and the reason why I mean look things get complicated right Like, you know, it's easier to see a girl for an hour than to have a girlfriend that might text you at random hours of the night and she's going to get very emotional and dramatic and she's going to destroy your marriage. Show up at your house.

Yeah. Or your wife is going to find out and then, you know, she's going to take it to the cleaner so you end up with nothing. So, yeah, I mean, you know, they were married. They were busy guys. Very powerful, I'll say. And very, they don't want the hassle. like they didn't want to deal with like drama so you know go get someone for an hour if they like them more see her again but just very practical um and you know professional doctors lawyers uh doctors

lawyers uh politicians um professionals so yeah professionals who don't have the time to have a girlfriend but some of them were single too and very good looking and very successful but they also don't want the drama. Athletes? Yes, athletes too. Now, is it just in Miami? It was all over the country, all over the country. Yeah.

I was just going to say, there's that, there's a saying. It's like you don't, you're not, you don't pay a prostitute for sex. You pay her to leave. Correct. You know? Correct. Correct. But see, I mean, and that's, that's the thing.

Like, you know, it's practicality. Why would I want to deal with somebody that is going to overstay their welcome? when I can just like, you know, do what I have to do. And like I said, if I like her, maybe it should stay longer. So, but it gets, but don't get me wrong. It gets complicated. Some clients want to have the girls as girlfriend. When you ask me about problems, that was one of the problems.

That, um, there's, you know, like either the girls or the clients, they don't differentiate between like, you know, paid companionship and being a girlfriend. So, and then that can get really messy too. Some guy who's making half a million dollars a year, at 300 bucks is nothing. Correct. But I do expect them to tip, though. I read a memoir where this girl was seeing this guy. And at one point, he wanted her to come and meet his family.

And it was like, she was like, you're not. Yeah. No. That's not what this is. Like he, in his mind, like to him, the fee was nothing. It was like he stopped associating the fee with what was really happening. and he suddenly started thinking that it was a relationship and it's like it's yeah and that's when things get really messy because obviously again the girls are a fantasy right uh the girls are a fantasy so

some of them are so good at the fantasy that the clients are like wow i mean this girl really loves me and you know wants to be with me for the rest of her life but you know like yeah i mean i'm not saying that people don't fall in love with the clients or clients don't fall in love with the girls but you know it starts in certain way and you have to respect that and that was my battle with the clients and with the girls too i'm like listen you can be like you know like it's an hour you book for an hour you got to leave you want to stay more you compensate her more but some of them want to hang out with them all day thinking that that's their girlfriend right it's not their girlfriend so so someone someone's got she got two appointments right after each other someone wants to go longer like

after the first hour they can't well it depends right i mean they're not back to back there's a break i mean you know like to make sure that everything is perfect uh but i mean depends if this you know there's a spot available maybe but that's why we always told the clients listen like you know if you feel that you're going to have chemistry and you're going to have a good time with this girl or you really like her a lot maybe you guys get along book in advance because we used to pre-book so many appointments before because we used to advertise before sometimes you know like they want to stay extra they can there's another appointment so i'm not going to disrupt other clients lives because this client wants to stay longer you have to be respectful over the time uh one other question sure as far as like the

legality of it all. I know in America it's legal, but I'm sure in other countries it's... No, in America it's illegal. Is that how I'm I said? You said legal. Illegal in America, legal in other countries. Like, what are your thoughts like? There are some parts in America where it's legal. There's only

only in Reno, in the bunny ranch or those dingy places that are horrible. I never been there, but I've been told that it's horrible. Right. I mean, I'm, you know, maybe they are making it nice now, I don't know. But it's trailer. It should be legal. because nobody should be able to tell you what you should do with your body your body you should be able to do whatever you want like the same thing you do with your brain and your whatever like you know some people use their brain to create things you should be able to use your body whichever way you want to as long as it's not something that uh you know like it's in your detriment like you know as long as you're not getting hurt i had i heard and i'm not

positive, well, I mean, this is what I had heard. I actually saw, I read it, I forget, but basically in Russia, it must be legal because in Russia, they did a, they did a survey of middle school women. They were, it was this, it had something to do with sex, like in the world or whatever and whatever, just different people's viewpoints of sex. And it was somewhere like in Russia, Ukraine or something, where they actually did a survey of middle school girls and like 30% of them

when they said what do you want to do they wanted to enter the sex trade and they were like like Americans have a vastly different idea of sex than most countries do like to them it was like saying I want to be a massage therapist like I want to enter the sex trade

this is this is 14 year old girls in middle school that are openly saying this is what I want to do I mean yeah I mean and I feel like there's a lot of hypocrisy in this country because I mean there's so many clients and some clients

are politicians who probably oppose that this goes I mean I don't think legal would be the world I would think it would be more decriminalization

because I feel like when they regulate things things get out of control just make it not a crime that's it I don't not I'm not asking

for them to make it legal because then the government interferes with everything and ends up being a pain so yeah but I mean you know I feel like

sex like the sex industry is so big i mean i think it's one of the ones that makes the most money in any country especially here because you still have porn that's you know pornography that's another industry you have webcams that's another industry you have only fans which to me i mean you know like i mean what do you think the girls that only fans are doing like you know yes people look at their pictures but i'm sure they get messages too hey i want to meet you okay it's going to be this much It's prostitution. Right. But, you know, like, people think it's not.

But it should be, people should be able to do whatever they want. As long as they are adults and have, like, you know, a decision, like, you know, they are able to decide consciously what they want to do. They should be able to do whatever they want without government interference. All right. What else are we doing? Is that wrap it up? All right. I appreciate you coming.

Thank you. here and uh from miami and i appreciate it and uh this is matt cox and if you like the if you like the podcast subscribe hit the bell the notification bell like the video share the video leave a comment for the algorithm and i appreciate you watching and see you