Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Confessions Of A Mafia Hitman | Cooperation, Mob Beefs, & Making Millions
Episode Date: April 21, 2025Dominick Cicale grew up in the Bronx borough of New York City. Surrounded by criminal activity, he quickly started associating with mafia and eventually became a "Made Man" with the Bonanno ...Crime Family.Dom's Links https://officialcryptonostra.comhttps://www.mafiaroundtable.comhttps://www.instagram.com/mafiaroundtable?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3Dhttps://www.tiktok.com/@mafiaroundtable?_t=8ahcdkbkxl0&_r=1https://www.youtube.com/@UC4OwhawYdhuDaqvNcBrE60A https://www.facebook.com/mafiaroundtableGo to https://ground.news/Inside for abetter way to stay informed. Subscribe for 40% off unlimited access to world-wide coverage through my link. you want to be a guest? Fill out the form https://forms.gle/5H7FnhvMHKtUnq7k7Send me an email here: insidetruecrime@gmail.comDo you extra clips and behind the scenes content?Subscribe to my Patreon: https://patreon.com/InsideTrueCrime 📧Sign up to my newsletter to learn about Real Estate, Credit, and Growing a Youtube Channel: https://mattcoxcourses.com/news 🏦Raising & Building Credit Course: https://mattcoxcourses.com/credit 📸Growing a YouTube Channel Course: https://mattcoxcourses.com/yt🏠Make money with Real Estate Course: https://mattcoxcourses.com/reFollow me on all socials!Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/insidetruecrime/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matthewcoxtruecrimeDo you want a custom painting done by me? Check out my Etsy Store: https://www.etsy.com/shop/coxpopartListen to my True Crime Podcasts anywhere: https://anchor.fm/mattcox Check out my true crime books! Shark in the Housing Pool: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0851KBYCFBent: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BV4GC7TMIt's Insanity: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08KFYXKK8Devil Exposed: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TH1WT5GDevil Exposed (The Abridgment): https://www.amazon.com/dp/1070682438The Program: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0858W4G3KBailout: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/bailout-matthew-cox/1142275402Dude, Where's My Hand-Grenade?: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BXNFHBDF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1678623676&sr=1-1Checkout my disturbingly twisted satiric novel!Stranger Danger: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BSWQP3WXIf you would like to support me directly, I accept donations here:Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/MattCox69Cashapp: $coxcon69
Transcript
Discussion (0)
If I could get the gun, I have a silencer, we'll go in in the restaurant, we'll leave them there.
They asked me if I knew George, I said, yeah, he's my neighbor.
I didn't lie to them.
I just didn't tell them I killed him.
My first bid went away for a murder in the state of Florida.
There was a guy, George Keog, who was a drug dealer in Florida.
Friends of mine, they came down from New York on the run.
They just robbed a big drug dealer in New York.
so when they came down they're like dom we need money do you have any scores so i knew of this
drug dealer so i set them set them up to go rob them they robbed the guy they got away with it
nobody got hurt uh right afterwards the guy george keo calls me up i know you had something to do
with it i got robbed i'm like what are you talking about you know i'm not admitting anything
i know it was you i know it was you it wasn't me going back
and forth. So maybe about four months later, I happened to move, I didn't even realize it. I moved
in his complex, and I forgot that that's where he lived. In Florida? In Florida, in Pompano.
You moved from New York here. Yeah, I was living in Florida. I was in Pembroke Pines, Florida.
Then from there, I went to Pompano. Okay. When I went to Pompano, it was the same complex where
this drug dealer lived.
didn't even realize it. This is the guy we robbed four months prior. One night in the house,
I get a knock on the door. I look out at George. I'm like, oh, shoot. Then it dawned on me.
I'm like, I knew the complex looked familiar, but I just didn't put two and two together.
I run upstairs. I get a gun. Go downstairs, open up the door, and I have the gun ready.
Like, what's up, George? And he's drunk, wasted. And I see he has a shirt open. He has
two pistols. I'm like, George, listen, it's late. You know I live here. Like, let's just
tabletop this till tomorrow. Get some sleep. I'm not going anywhere. And we'll discuss it.
He said, all right. He leaves. I go back upstairs. Next day. I see him. I said,
listen, I didn't rob you. I had nothing to do with it. But let's do this. You know I have
connections in New York. I know you have connections down here in Florida. For
drugs. We'll get drugs. We'll bring them up there. We'll flip them out. And whatever you feel
you're owed, we'll take that off the top. I said, that's fair. It's the best scenario.
Yeah. That's the best result you're going to get. So he tells me yes. Okay. In the interim,
he came up with it. He's like, hey, Dom, come all the way out west with me. Somebody owes me
money. And we're going to go in the house. He has brand new TVs he just bought. And you could
keep the TVs and I'm like no I'm not interested like it just made no sense what he was saying
maybe about a week passes by he says hey dumb why don't you and your wife come fishing with me
I'm going down to the everglades I'm like nah I'm not a fisher George yeah no come on
you like it it's quiet it's tranquil nah I'm okay two weeks after that my father's friends
come down. Now, George comes with us. I go, I have to go with one of them to collect money from an
insurance guy. So we drive there. Now, George doesn't know these are my father's friends. He just
thinks they're guys I met. I go upstairs with one of the guys and my other father's friend was
downstairs with George. Lo and behold, we come back. I drive them back to the motel. George
and I leave. We go to the house and we all meet up later that night for dinner.
When I met up with them, the guy Ernie, one of the guy's names, he said, Dom, I need to talk to you.
What's up?
He said, when we were upstairs collecting the insurance money, my other father's friend, Vinny, was downstairs with George.
And George told Vinny, how well do you know Dominic?
He says, I don't know him.
I just met him.
Well, would you be willing to kill him?
I'll give you $20,000.
You can't even make this up.
So Vinny says, absolutely, but I don't have a gun.
He says, well, I have one army.
So Vinny says, okay, here's what we're going to do.
We're in the car.
Dominic's driving.
I'm going to give you a signal.
Pass me the gun.
So I'm driving.
George passes him the gun.
Obviously Vinny didn't shoot me.
Right.
But he used the excuse afterwards.
He told George, no, I saw cops.
Just, you know, I was going to hit him.
there, but I didn't BS them. So they tell me that. You know he's looking to kill you. I said,
no, I had a feeling. Go through a whole scenario. After that, I told my wife, I said,
listen, you have a headache. You have a headache. I have to take you home. Vinnie and Ernie,
they tell George, you want to come with us back to the motel. We're getting hookers. So he says,
okay. I said my ex-wife, she turns around. I have a headache. I have to go. I have to go. So I leave.
They're going to a hotel. The plan was, Ernie, when George gets in the hotel, knock them out.
Knock them out. I'll come there and we'll dump them somewhere. I'll kill them. He says,
all right. I go home, drop her off. I get the gun. I have a silencer. So I'm going up there in Pompano.
It's called Sandy Shoes Motel.
How old are you, by the way, at this point?
87, so I think 22.
22 years old.
Super serious shit for a fucking 20-some-odd-year-old kid.
Sorry.
I'm sorry.
That's the streets.
Yeah.
That's the streets.
I mean, this is vastly different.
Like, there's too many people in, like, this is vastly different than a couple of gangbamers shooting each other.
This is super thought out.
Like, yeah, this is a whole cat and mouse kind of thing going on.
Sorry. Go ahead, that. I didn't mean no, that's okay. So with that, I go back to the motel. Now I knock on the door. For some reason, I said, let me put the silencer on the gun. I just had a sick feeling. I put the silencer on. Who opens up the door? It's George.
So once he opened up the door, the chain was on, he, oh, it's you, okay. He unlocks it, opens it. I pushed him back, and I put the gun up to him.
And right away, Ernie grabs him. George always had two guns on.
him takes his two guns off and he's sitting on the bed i have no money i have no money and i'm like
this is not about money george you wanted to kill me no what are you talking about i would never
thought we were exactly so i mean we went back and forth a little bit all of a sudden his last
words were now he's on the bed on the edge of the bed he's like i have to pee i have to pee
he gets up and runs for the door.
I just turn around and I hit him in the back of the head.
But as he's running forward,
as soon as the bullet hit the back of his head,
he stopped and his whole body jerked backwards.
So I probably hit a nerve or something.
Came backwards, tumbled over.
He's on the floor.
Just blood's coming out.
And that was it.
We put him up in the bed.
We all go downstairs because now we're going to go get clean.
supplies and everything to clean up the room right i go back upstairs put another one in his head
to make sure he's dead and then uh that was it we went back i thought you were going to say he
he was gone no he was gone all right but not in that sense uh gone um we came back we cleaned up
the room took the body we were on the third floor so he was all wrapped up down the
steps with the body in the trunk of the car it was about maybe two 30 three in the morning
so it was pretty quiet okay um so put them in the trunk of the car drove out to palm beach
county and went west and i found a canal we dumped them in the canal they wound up finding them
a month later uh that yeah shouldn't you need you need to go to the everglades or uh yeah
what's the um ok chobie swamp ok chobie you go
They would have been gone.
Yeah.
Alligators would have shoot him up.
At this point, are you already, like, calloused and just like, hey, this is the life, this is what I have to do?
Or are you like, holy shit, I had to.
Well, I knew what I had to do at that point.
Like, there was no turning back.
Like, you know, it's just, um, in my younger years, being on the street selling drugs in New York.
Like, it's either, I've seen people get robbed, killed.
So it's like, you know, that was.
my first body. First person I killed. And this guy is actively, like, he's not even, he's not even
smooth about it. Like he's, it's, it's over, overly obvious he's trying to, he's going to,
yeah, no, he's, he's not, he's not given up on it. No, he wasn't given up. He was adamant,
but I gave him an out. Right. Like, George, let's work together. Like, okay, and he didn't even
have proof that I robbed them. Right. That's the best part of it all. Like, all right, would you get
robbed. Well, they took
half a kilo and
$20,000 in cash.
All right, so let's call it $50,000.
First monies that come in
on the profits will take it off the top.
You keep it. And that's it.
It accumulates the 50, and then
we'll go 50-50 on everything else.
And he was like, okay, so I
gave him an out. He was just
adamant he wanted me dead. And he was
even willing to pay
to have me killed. Like, are you kidding?
me. It's just funny that he grabs that guy when in fact, you know, well, he obviously didn't have
anybody of his own that he could go to. No. And obviously he didn't have the heart to do it.
Right. He wasn't built like that. So, so how do you get grabbed for that?
They, the Broward County Sheriff's Office, they went asking around and they found in the hotel
there was blood stains when they cleaned up the room, you know, when cleaning came in,
there was towels missing, sheets, missing.
So right away they reported it.
And then just so happened when Ernie and Vinny, we all had tasks to do.
So I had my stuff to throw out.
They had their stuff to throw out.
When they never tied their bags, when the garbage pickup came, whatever dumpster they put it in,
The bags, when the dumpses went into the hopper of the garbage truck, it opened up and there was all bloody towels.
They called the cops.
And there was a postcard, Sandy Shoes Motel, vodka bottle, cigarette butts.
I don't smoke cigarettes.
So lo and behold, they asked at the Sandy Shoes Hotel.
Yeah, there was a guy Dominic here because there was some phone messages.
I didn't know we were going to kill this guy.
Right.
You know, that wasn't in the future.
It was like, okay, they're down here for a purpose, not to kill somebody in the hotel room.
And so they actually came to me, the cops, and they brought me in for question.
And I said, yeah, sure, come in.
This is a month afterwards.
This is before they found the body.
Oh, no, I'm sorry.
They did find the body at this point.
you ever read a headline and think wait that's not what i read earlier or hear a story that was
covered two totally different ways and think i wonder which one's telling the truth we all know the
news can be biased algorithms push stories that they think you want to see and some outlets spin
stories to fit a certain agenda it's exhausting trying to figure out what's real what's exaggerated
and what's just straight up misinformation that's why i use ground news it's a news platform
that doesn't just show you the headlines it shows you the whole story it gathers articles from across the
political spectrum, tells you the bias of each source, and even lets you compare how different
outlets are framing the same event. For example, the recent federal health agency layoffs.
Left-leaning news described the layoffs as a major crisis, calling them a bloodbath that could
harm important public health work like tracking diseases. On the other hand, right-leaning news
saw the layoffs as positive change. They called it a win-win for taxpayers, which could save
$1.8 billion a year. Both sides agree the layoffs and changes were happening, but they
strongly disagree on what it meant. Ground News lets you compare these.
side by side, so you can actually see the bias and decide for yourself what to believe.
You can also see things like how news sources are covering a particular story, political
leaning of news outlets, and the blind spot feed where you can see stories that are
disproportionately covered by one side of the political spectrum. In a world of clickbait and
echo chambers, having access to all perspectives is more important than ever. That's why I love
ground news. It helps me cut through the noise and stay truly informed. And right now you can get
40% off the vantage plan for unlimited access. Just hit the link in my description. Ground
dot news backslash inside and start seeing the news differently today they asked me if i knew
george i said yeah he's my neighbor we hang out you know and that's it i was i didn't lie to them
i just didn't tell them i killed them yeah um so they asked they showed me a picture here's where
i have to say i'm stupid they show me a picture of a guy who actually looked like bozo the clown
His name was probably Ernie.
Is this Ernie?
Because they had the people who were at the hotel room.
Staff said, I guess they showed them pictures of George, myself.
They said, yes, they were here.
Is that Ernie?
And I'm looking like, I don't know this guy.
They locked me up for accessory to after the fact.
They said, that's Ernie.
So I was covering it up.
I'm getting bail.
as I'm getting bail, they're not releasing me.
So finally my lawyer comes up, they just charge you a first-degree murder.
At this point, all day, I'm the only one arrested.
I make bail on it.
$75,000 in the state of Florida, they give me bail.
About maybe two weeks after that, Ernie gets arrested.
I get a phone call.
We had connections in New York.
Ernie's ratting on you.
no he's not they said specific things only we knew um like for instance well we know you went back up
in the room and you shot him again how would they know that all right so i called my father
your friend's ratting on me no he's not no he's not long and short he ratted the day of my
sentence and now they offered me a plea deal from first degree murder to manslaughter
You mean the day of your trial?
No, before my trial.
They offered the plea deal.
So we negotiated, dropped a gun charge, you never recovered a weapon.
I'll take the seven years.
So they did that.
As I'm being sentenced, I get a letter.
My lawyer hands me a letter.
It's from Ernie.
Now, at this time, I don't know this.
He tells me your lawyer didn't get you the plea deal.
it was because of what I told them.
Years later, come to find out, Ernie told them it was self-defense.
Dominic came in the room.
George pulled out a gun.
As he's turning to sidestep, I shot him.
And that was it.
That was a lie, though.
And so he did get me that plea deal saying it was self-defense,
especially in the state of Florida.
I never had a criminal record prior to that.
I had arrest, but it was never convicted of anything.
So I took my plea.
Now I come home from jail.
Did 17 months on seven years because all the good time they're giving you.
Are you serious?
Boy, that's a long time ago.
They're kicking out anywhere from 120 to 190 days a month, good time off your sentence.
Every month at that time.
So I come home.
I'm out four months.
DEA sets me up with a drug case.
I was
It was Mike White
My co-defendant sold it to an agent
My co-agent testified
I had one witness trial the agent
That was it
My co-defendant
Gives him the drugs
In turn, the agent
Gives him the money
He says if I call you next week
I get two or three
It's only a half ounce
That was transacted
Agent responded
said, I responded, we could work it out.
That was it.
They never seen me after that.
As soon as I got out of the car, I told my co-defendant, he's a cop.
Don't deal with him.
He's a cop.
My co-defendant for two months after that, kept on dealing with them, got his brother,
got another guy involved.
They never heard from me after that.
That was it was done.
Worst case scenario, I'm guilty of that half ounce.
That was it.
I go to trial, one witness agent took the stand, two-hour trial with open and closing
and arguments. They find me guilty of the conspiracy, not guilty of the possession. I get 10 years.
And before the DEA, before they even arrested me when they came in, just work with us.
We won't even arrest you. We won't charge you. We want the Genevievee's Crime family.
I'm like, I'm not a rat. But you're also not, you're not really like a made guy at this.
No, no, I'm a street. Yeah. At that time, I didn't even think.
I was an associate because it was so, oh, the way I was with Ernie, it was like more a father figure.
So I didn't even realize I was an associate.
I just thought he was always protecting me, loved me, cared for me.
I was, and that's the way I looked at it.
But I was always loyal to the streets.
And what they did, it was just, I'm getting 10 years for that.
come to find out as I'm fighting the case,
because now I go for the appeal and all that.
So can I ask you a question?
Sure.
And what year was this?
This was,
I was released at the end of 90 from the murder.
Right.
The beginning of 91.
Yeah,
I was going to say,
I was out four months.
It was 86 when they changed the law and they got rid of parole.
And so you-
In the state of Florida.
No, no, I'm saying in the feds.
So you got that you got, you have to do 85%.
Yeah, no, I got screwed with the feds.
Yeah.
I was dead.
I was...
Yeah, you're doing eight, eight and a half years,
maybe some halfway house,
maybe six months halfway.
You're doing at least eight years.
You lose some game time?
Oh, yes.
You weren't a good enemy?
Ah.
So you were saying...
I was having my fun,
put it that way,
with female correction offices.
I was just...
Listen, I was young,
all my 20s, so...
So you said you were about to tell me about appeals and...
Oh, as I'm fighting the case,
come to find out.
Now, I'm getting all the information digging into the case.
My co-defendant, who was on that case, cooperated.
They didn't use him at trial against me.
So now I'm pulling up all the paperwork.
I'm looking.
He told the government, as soon as I got out of the car, I told him he's a cop.
Don't deal with him.
That Dominic wasn't a supplier.
It was Dominic's drugs.
What happened was I picked up white.
and it was garbage.
I knew.
So I gave it to him.
I said, if you could get rid of it, get rid of it.
Just so happens.
He's selling it to an agent.
When the agent said, oh, this is great stuff.
I love it.
I listen, the guy's a cop.
It's not good stuff.
It's garbage.
It was only 63% pure.
So it was basically, it was garbage.
And so as I'm fighting the case, I'm looking,
they never gave me that information.
Right.
So we go with this exculpatory evidence there's grounds for an appeal.
Went back on the 2255 and the judge they just denied it, you know, rubber stamped it.
I was so mad like I'm like, wow, that's dirty.
They never even gave me that Brady information for my trial.
Right.
Because if I have the trial, now I call him as a witness.
Here's a cooperator.
What's he going to say?
I didn't know the extent of a cooperation at that time.
So now I wound up doing 10 years for a crime I didn't commit.
So what's going on with the officers?
Like, how many, how many?
What are these, what are these, what do these women look like?
Like, let's, you know, listen, you're incarcerated.
So they're all, they all become very attractive.
They're a, she's, she's, what do they call?
She's a prison nine.
Yeah, she's a prison time and a real world four.
No, there was some, listen, as you.
No, there are some hot women.
Oh, yeah.
I'll, there's, I actually have only seen, I've seen in almost 13 years, I saw two.
There's probably, I probably only saw 10 or 12 female officers the whole time.
So, but I only saw two that I was like, like, like, I date her on the street.
Like, she looked that good.
They, they don't, they don't last long.
Like, like, they tend to get moved around pretty quickly because the guys are messing with.
And they'll fall for it.
Like the girls will, they, you know, I had, I had a, in the medium, there was a guy that was young, probably 25 years old, good looking kid.
The girl was probably 25 years old, but I'll never free, Officer Brown.
She was super hot.
And the kid, that guy's name was Benji.
Benji was hilarious.
And, yeah, they started flirting and flirting.
Next thing you know, like, it's lockdown.
It's 11 o'clock.
and you could walk up to the window
and she's at the window
of Benji's cell
talking to him
and within a week
she's opening the door
and they're up there talking
or he's getting drunk
and going into the office
I'd say she lasted a month
they just moved her
they just moved her to the
you know they'll move them a few times
and kind of give them a talking to
and move them around then eventually
they'll just fire her like you're not getting it
sweetie and there was another one
that there was a chick they called
a trailer part Barbie
She was straight, dirty foot
Cute though
And she worked commissary
Mean is a fucking snake
Mean yell at you
Screamed talk to you like you were a dog
And it was just like
A buddy of mine
She was yelling at him
You know they have a plastic
And she's like
He wanted to switch like
He ordered you know
Chocolate ice cream
They didn't have it
You know
And he's like oh can I switch it for
Give me vanilla
Give me what it's like
No it's not on the thing
He's like
No no come on just switch it
I didn't know
You said it's okay.
You didn't say it's operating.
She's like, no, next.
No, no.
And so she's like, listen, you know, and she starts screaming.
And keep in mind, this place is packed.
Right, right.
All these inmates there.
He goes, she's like, screaming at him.
He goes, and he goes, shh.
It touches the clock.
I thought she was good.
Listen, we were roaring laughing.
But anyway, so, so yeah, there are some hot ones.
Yeah, and at that time, we had colleges.
teachers would come in from outside colleges.
So now you had some pretty young girls coming.
None of that's happening anymore.
No.
No.
No, well, the Zimmerman bill came out and stopped all that.
Stopped the weight program, the JCs.
You know, it was good.
There was rehabilitation.
There was programs now.
It's over.
It's just, it's cattle.
Cattle call.
That's all it is.
It's money for them now.
So, okay.
Okay, so you're, okay, so we're not going to get a specific story.
We had a story about a CEO and a inmate, just do $6 million on TikTok.
So we're, we're, oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, nice.
Oh, he had a whole, it a whole thing.
It was hilarious, too.
Yeah.
But, so you get, so you get out.
So you get out after, did you did 10 or 9?
I did 9.
I had a 10-year bid.
Okay.
So you got out at 9.
Yeah.
supervised release
Supervised release
I had four years
In Jersey
Actually I was living in
Rosenheim, New Jersey
That's by Violin
And here's where
You're gonna like
One of the correction officers
I wound up marrying
From Farrington, New Jersey
Did she stay a correctional?
No, she quit her job
And we got married
While I was incarcerated
Marriage by phone
California has their law you could get married by phone.
So while it was in segregation, we hooked up a three-way call.
They married us by phone.
And actually, when I was in Schoolkill, Pennsylvania,
they approved her on my visiting list.
She came in to see me one time.
And then after that, they took her off the list.
They took me from Schoolkill.
I went to Cumberland, and that was it.
but she stayed by me for four years, my last four years of my bid.
Always home, always, like, supportive, really good.
I come home.
I get a halfway house in Philly, Kentucky in Center City, Philly.
They're six months, and I lasted maybe about a year with her.
No, she was just extremely jealous, possessive, and I just couldn't take it anymore.
And that was it.
it was done i was back to new york and was there a reason for her to be jealous and and possessive
no i was home every night i was working in the union tile marble and tarasso i was home i was
basically situated i'm in rosenhain new jersey like there's nothing out there okay so once in a while
i'd go into new york i had to see uh bruno anthony and delacado who was part of the banano crime
families yeah those names don't sound like their mom's up at all no not at all well his father was
Sonny Red in the movie Donnie Brasco, the three capos that got killed.
Yeah.
That was his father.
And at the end, where Joe Postone's supposed to kill Bruno on the boat?
That's Bruno.
Okay.
So I was close to him.
Vinny Gorgeous was his partner.
He was out of the Bronx, and I was close with Vinny as well.
And it's just, it wasn't a good recipe with her and I.
She was just too, too jealous.
I mean, if I would say something to her sister, hey, sweetie, she'd be like, don't ever say that to my sister.
That's disrespectful.
We mean disrespectful?
Right.
Like she didn't like, it was just, it wasn't, wasn't good.
I know how they can.
I know how.
Wasn't good.
Yeah, they get in that sometimes.
Yeah.
So.
So that didn't work out.
So, but now what are you doing?
You're on supervised release.
You're laying Marvel and.
Yeah, I'm working in a local seven for the first year.
And then after that, I went to New York.
I opened up a tile company.
Vinny got me into the Hunts Point Meat Market.
They were refurbishing it, rebuilding it.
So I had that tile job.
And then from there, I just construction.
I started, you know, rising financially within that four-year period.
I completed my supervised release.
and that was it.
That was good to go.
Became a member of organized crime in that time.
During the four years?
Yeah, during the four years.
So when I came, put it this way, from the halfway house,
around December of 1999, I was released.
I was done with the halfway house.
So from there, Vinny had an altercation.
in February of 2000, where a guy wanted to kidnap his son.
Just passed a comment. I want to kidnap his son.
So Vinny calls for me. I sneak into New York.
Of course, my probation officer doesn't know this.
Long and sure of it all, we wind up killing the guy in February of, February 15.
Actually, he was supposed to get killed on Valentine's Day, February 14th.
I told my wife, I have to go to New York.
But I'll make up Valentine's Day to you the next day.
We're looking for the guy.
We can't find him on Valentine's Day.
So we go back and he said, I'll get a line on him.
When I do, I'll page you, just come.
Okay.
So now I'm getting ready to go out to take her out the next day.
I get the page.
So I know what it is.
I have to go to New York.
I'm like, I'm sorry.
I have to go to New York again.
so I know she's fuming
I go out there
and we wound up finding the guy
that night and we killed him
left him in the street
so can I ask a question sure
he didn't kidnap his son
no he just he said it
word that
yeah what happened was
my father was a drug addict
this guy was a drug addict
they all would stay together
they're doing drugs one night
they're all party and they're outside
Vinny's son passes by
in a car so the guy passes a comment imagine if we kidnapped him how much money we could get
he had no intentions of kidnapping him right but viny felt if somebody makes that statement
i'm going to make a statement i'm going to kill him because the next person that even thinks
about it would think twice right like yeah yeah you don't know who's going to take it too far
exactly and the neighborhoods everybody speaks everybody knows what's going on so
Um, we set out to kill them.
We set up a hit, hit team.
And Vinny and I jumped out of the car.
We started blasting them.
And that was it.
Left them in the street.
And everybody went there separate ways.
But that was, I was only out two months.
I'm killing somebody for the family.
Right.
That's how loyal I was.
So, I mean, does that get investigated?
Or is this just some guy, some random guy got shot?
And it, it just falls.
It was investigated, but they had, it was, from where I knew, there was no witnesses.
It happened.
It was dark out at night by the service road of the highway in Frog's Neck.
So it was a quiet area.
The guy went out to walk his dog and we left them there in the street.
So you're still running your kind of construction company.
But what else are you doing to make money?
Well, at that time, I'm working in Local 7.
I'm living in Jersey at that time.
Local 7 is what a tile, marble, and Tarasso, Union.
Union.
Union as Jersey.
Sorry about that.
Yeah, it's Florida.
Yeah.
No, it's a union.
So I was in the union when I was out in Jersey.
And by this time, I was living out there.
I was staying out there.
So periodically, I would come into New York to see them.
But it was just.
you know when you called for you part of that's what the life is about it's about loyalty so what else
are you doing for money other than just work i mean just that was it that was it i wasn't i wasn't doing
anything else when i actually finally maybe about six months seven months later that's when i
broke up with my wife i left jersey and i had probation transfer me to new york when i got into
New York. Now I'm staying with Vinny every day, bouncing around with him, driving him. I opened up
a tile company, union. Got the union job at the Hunts Point Meat Market, so that was my first
job. I'm making money. Then from there, my grandmother, I borrowed $200-something from her, took a
mortgage out on her house. And with that, I bought property, started building, and that's it.
it took off, took off, started making money in the street, selling that.
What does that mean?
Pills.
I love these, you know.
No, with X, Vinny had, we had Canada, Vito Rizudo, who was the boss in Canada.
They were actually part of the Bonano Crime family.
So they would bring down trees.
They would bring down X.
And Vinny couldn't sell the X, so I had connections.
I was younger. So, you know, we wound up selling them to the Albanians. They were taking them
and they were pushing them out. So that started to be an earned for me. And then everything else
was mainly legit. We got into some sports book, taking bets. We had people doing the bets. We
would just back it financially. I was making money there and just elevated. Then I got proposed to
become a maid member in organized crime got straightened out went to an induction ceremony what is
straightened out straightened out means becoming a maid member okay when you know you they say get your
finger prick yeah the saint burnt in your hand and the guns on the table and all that theatrics and
it's just the crock of bull oh at the end of the day i mean is that that all that's true though
yeah no well that's true everybody's around the table we join hands
and secrecy
for the
banana crime family. They go through
a whole spiel. But at
the end of the day, there's no loyalty.
It's just, it's a joke.
It's a joke.
So you did
who?
So you know Michael Frenzis?
Yes. Have you been on his show?
No, not yet.
Okay. So we're...
Are you going to be on you?
Yeah, we're talking. He said he's going to
put me on to talk about my crypto.
So you know what soft white underbelly is?
Yes, I've heard of him.
So he had done soft wide underbelly.
That was the first time I was in the halfway house,
and he had just done soft wide underbelly.
Maybe had he about the same time,
around that same time.
But yeah, that's how I first heard of him.
And I'll never forget, and this is why it's important,
is that there was one of it was,
one of the few times I started reading the comments,
and this woman said,
And this man looks like he smells like vintage leather, cognac, and it was, the way she put it, like, it's, it's, it's, it was just great.
She had this whole little thing, like, you know, like he was a, you know, a, you know, like an aged wine or something.
She had this whole thing, and I mean, I just started laughing.
I was like, that is a great, like, that would be at his age for a woman to have said the way he looked in that.
Right, right.
It was great. It was great.
Oh, Michael's a great guy.
You know, I spoke to him.
We met in person.
He's very, very humble and really good, good guy.
He's one of the good ones in the life.
Right.
What family was he?
He was with the Colombo crime family.
He was a captain.
Made a ton of money with the gas.
gas tax
oh it's gas tax is that this game yeah they were skimming pennies off those pennies
they're up to hundreds of millions yeah um so all right so you were at this point you were
made what is what does that mean i mean i know what it means because i've seen some mob movies
um so i know everything uh i'm an expert i watch two videos now uh so what does that mean
does that mean like you have people like underneath you because i've seen the fbi charts
Yes.
Well, first you're an associate.
And then from an associate, you become straightened out if you're proposed to the life.
And once you are made some, like, you're supposed to be above everybody else where somebody puts their hands on you.
If they know you're a made guy, they could get killed.
Like, you're supposed to be untouchable, basically.
It's just, and then you have associates.
You have guys.
That means you could speak for yourself to another made guy where if you come in as a civilian, because you're an associate, you can't speak to a maid guy unless they tell you.
Now, if you have a relationship with a may guy, it's a different story, but you can't just go up to say Joe Blow, hey, could I speak to you?
Like, who are you?
Like, if you don't know him, you can't.
Right.
Unless you're made.
So they make it seem like it's very prestigious.
It's an honor.
This day and age, it's a disgrace.
And here's the way I look at it.
Nowadays you have a lot of rats.
Okay, myself, I cooperated.
No secret.
There's about a dozen guys who cooperated put guys away for life in prison.
and guys died who they put away.
They're in New York.
They're in the construction business.
They're making money with guys who didn't rat, wise guys,
and they're allowing it because the rats are giving them money.
Right.
So where is the honor?
I would rather do what I did than do what's going on now.
Like if I didn't cooperate and you cooperated and I let you back in the city
because you're giving me money,
like it's just the life is over with that i look at it you have some serious guys still out
there without question like the genevice crime family right now that's the most elite crime
family they're underground they don't see anybody um they do have a few members who i just did
a show on a michael hippie who was using h in prison while he was straightened out he was a soldier
and the Genevieve's crime family, and that's a no-no.
But these are the up-and-coming guys, the future of Cozinostra.
And I look at it like, if he's the future of it, you're definitely like doomed.
All right.
What's a soldier?
So how is a soldier is a soldier?
A soldier is a guy.
No, a soldier is a guy who's straightened out, a mate guy.
It's another terminology.
Okay.
You have a soldier.
You have a capo, captain.
you have the underboss, the conciliary, who...
Which would, like, Sammy the bull was...
Sammy was the underboss.
Consoliery is more like an attorney.
It's a peacemaker in the family.
It's somebody who has knowledge, wisdom, you know, an old...
It should be an older person.
It was in a godfather.
It was...
Tom Egan.
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
And he was an attorney.
Because he couldn't be made any because he was adopted.
He wasn't...
Correct.
A hundred percent Italian.
actually you
the godfather
that would never happen in real life because he's not
Italian and you have to be a made member
to be a consulari of a family
it's just somebody
yeah it's the movies
they glamorized the mafia too in the movies
this is a great movie it was
one and two were the best
the godfather three
it gets like
Michael all of a sudden he's
he doesn't I just
they just they
destroyed it they destroyed that movie three was horrible i think my opinion um uh so okay so you
were you were made you've got guys underneath you now when you're made really you answer to a captain
right viny was my captain like what are you guys what are you doing and you kind of explain it like
i'm doing there i've got a regular business it's legit we're also doing we had you said we have a number
or a numbers racket numbers uh sports sports bed we're
We've got sports betting.
I'm assuming none of that's legal, the sports betting and stuff.
Okay.
So you're doing all,
you're doing other stuff to make,
to generate money.
Like how long does that last?
And how old are you at this point?
You got to be in your 30s.
Yeah,
no,
I'm in my 30s.
I'm with Vinny.
No,
we had a massive operation.
What happened with the sports betting book,
actually,
there was a kid around Vinny.
His name was Lenny.
We called him Casper.
I know his last name was in Casper.
I think he wound up testifying against Vinny,
Bashiano.
But this kid, you look at him, college preppy kid.
When he was in college, he started a sports book.
Throughout the years, it grew and grew and grew.
He had maybe about 125 clients.
Then he had one client that would bet anywhere from $5 to $7 million, a weekend, a weekend on football.
Now, he's not winning seven.
He's not winning $5 million.
But I think the most he ever won was maybe $700,000 one weekend.
The most he lost was maybe $2 million, $2.5 million.
Always paid.
This is a kid.
This kid wasn't in college anymore.
No, no, the kid wasn't in college.
But the kid came to us.
He was around Vinny.
And we became partners with him.
So we teamed up with two more guys in the Bonanno Crime family.
Jerry Asaro.
whose father was Vinnie O'Saro.
They had him with the Lutonza Heist.
Jerry O'Saro is a captain.
And his acting captain was a guy, Jack Bonaventoro,
who had a towing company auto body repair shop.
So we partner up with them.
And they had the offices in Costa Rica.
So we would take that action every weekend.
And Vinny was a degenerate gambler.
he's betting on the football games.
I'm like, oh, geez, like, why?
And I'm not, I don't bet.
I don't bet once in a while I might bet,
but most part I don't bet.
And I would be like, oh, my God.
No, damn, we're going to do good.
We're going to do good.
We're supposed to be collecting $500,000.
Some weeks, we're like losing $100,000 because of all his bets.
He's betting.
So that was a nightmare in itself.
But we made a lot of money with that as well.
you know sports the bookies always make at the end of the day
where was they go oh so with this guy Lenny
you see now they have the
QR codes yeah
he brought that to me back in the early 90s
with the phone with a group of guys
look at this and they developed where they could scan
the regular grocery barcodes
but the product would pop up on the phone
and I don't
looked at it, nah, I didn't believe in that. Like, I didn't have the vision for them.
I'm like, these son of a guns, they got away with it. And who knows, I don't know where they
ever took it, if they took it anywhere. But we had also, it was called sexychat.com.
Okay. They were girls. We had the office on York Street. It was in a building, a whole
floor. And they had cubicles. Each girl would be in a cubicle, like an apartment, a bedroom.
and they would get their things off
and they would have their clients come on and watch
that was another thing we had an interest in but cam girls
yeah cam girl right that's what they call cam girls
but once I cooperated all that went out you know but I look
you look now sexychat.com it's loaded like wow
these are things we were involved in but um
I primarily made my money I had a real estate office
We would do mortgages, titles, insurance, so I made money there.
I had a bar lounge, made money there.
I had an auto repair shop, which about 40 cars my shop could hold.
We would fix the cars, tow them, construction companies.
So I was doing well.
Are all these, like, to me, I think of auto bodies, and I think there's like a huge
opportunity for graft you know for a huge opportunity to get stolen cars use the parts like there's a
huge opportunity to to take stolen cars and parts of stolen cars and use them and um you know refurbish
yeah the chop shop but i didn't do that i stayed away from that uh we would get aftermarket parts
which you know say for a mercedes a hood might cost you for five thousand dollars after
it's 1,800.
Right.
So, you know, we do things like that instead of putting, you know, the legitimate...
Yeah, the Mercedes one-on.
Yeah, we get the aftermarket and nobody could tell the difference, really.
But very lucrative business.
We had chaser trucks.
So what that is in the Bronx, if there's an accident,
my tow truck drivers would have scanners.
So they hear right away, as soon an accident,
they have to report to the police and the paramedics to come.
So we would have the scanners.
So they would hear there's an accident five miles away.
They would race to the accident.
And who's ever there first gets the pickup, the hookup.
Right.
So that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, we call them
chaser trucks.
I had four of them on the road.
And, um, then you get independent guys.
So for my guys, they would get maybe 20% of the accident.
So whatever the court, whatever the bill is, with independent guys.
you'd give them sometimes 35 to 40%, whatever they bring into you.
So now, if they had an accident that was 20,000 in damage, you know, it adds up real quick.
Right.
The profitability is through the roof with accidents.
So how much money are you bringing in?
Like, what kind of...
In four years that, and I was home five years this time, that time.
The first year I was in Jersey, I was trapped in that marriage.
But the four years I was in New York, I amassed net wealth anywhere from $8 to $10 million I made.
And 90% of it was through legitimate business.
When I went away to jail for the crime families, my boss, Joe Massino, he was dubbed The Last Dawn.
He was one of the old school bosses, John Gatti era, Vincent Tichin, Gigante era.
He wound up wearing a wire on the acting boss Vinnie Gorgeous, who was my mentor.
and they were talking about me killing people and they locked me up when I got locked up the
crime family took everything everything sold the ball lounge the body shop ran to the ground
there was a million and a half debt in the red it's just they basically me well so what happened
how does that process how does that start that investigation they just had him wired and he
I mean, like, what was the investigation into him that called him to cooperate and get wired up and...
Well, Joe Messino had a trial.
He was fighting his case.
He had seven murders, homicides.
Everybody, in the Bonano crime family, we did not have a cooperator until the early 2000s.
Never in history.
Before that, there was never a maid member, a guy who was straightened out, who was in the mafia, cooperated.
operated, ratted. We didn't have one. We were the only crime family. In 2000, I think it was
2002, 2003, our first one. And it brought down the boss, Joe Messino. His brother-in-law
ratted on him. He was the underboss. There was all captains, maybe six, seven captains.
They all told. We had maybe about a dozen all at once. So Joe Massino was locked up facing seven
homicides, and he was going to trial.
What Joe Massino did, which was disgusting, played everybody, government included.
Joe Massino sends word out to Vinny Gorgeous, who is the acting boss for the crime
family.
Hey, now, Joe Messino's prosecutor was Greg Andres.
It sends word out, hey, this Greg is being very disrespectful.
to me. He eats at this restaurant every Thursday night. I can't take it anymore. So Vinny comes up to
me, Dom, I just got word. I think we're going to have to kill the prosecutor. So I'm like,
okay, what am I going to do? Our boss is sending word out. Okay. So I told Vinny, I said,
do you want me to do it? He says, no, you and I will do it. We'll go in in the restaurant. We'll leave him
there. And who's going to be part of it? He said, Bruno, who's Anthony DeLicado, another guy,
A, sent the Donato, was setting up the hit team. But let me confirm it. I'm going to send
word in through a different way, because messages are coming in and out for lawyers, investigators.
So because he's what, he's, he's, he didn't get bond. He's in, no, Joe Messino's in jail.
He's getting ready to fight his case. Federal, yes. He's in, MD, I think, MD, yeah,
MDC, Brooklyn, New York, the holding facility.
A federal prosecutor.
Yeah.
You know.
That is super serious.
So Vinny sends word in through a different way, not through the way he got the message, through another way.
So what Vinny said, hey, ask Joe, the message he sent out?
Does he want me to move on it?
Joe never responds.
So after two weeks goes by, Vinny said, I said, what's going on?
on. He says, I don't know. He didn't respond. He's probably thinking about it. So, but if he be ready,
if he sends the message, we're going to have to move quick and take him out. Okay. Now, we'll
fast forward. Joe never responded to that. Joe goes to trial and blows trial. The day he lost
trial when the jury came back and said guilty on all murders, he's facing life in prison without a doubt.
He told the lawyer,
tell the judge and the prosecutor,
I want to speak to them.
As he's being walked out of the courtroom,
they accommodate him.
Greg Andres is sitting back there.
Joe says, I want to cooperate.
Greg looks at him, tells him,
who are you going to tell on?
We already have everybody.
All the years of crimes,
your brother-in-law was the underboss,
told us everything.
You and him were, like, together,
for 40 years.
Right.
Like, you can't tell him.
Well, what if I tell you
there's a hit on the prosecutor?
They have him take two lie detector tests.
He failed them both.
I know this because I was fighting the case.
So what Joe did, now the prosecutors,
they can't take a chance.
When you look at it, like, okay,
maybe he was nervous or I'm not going to risk my life.
Right.
Go forbid.
So what they do is they indict Vinny Bashiano.
They get him locked up.
Now, I don't know if they, yeah, Joe is cooperating.
They accepted Joe as cooperating.
So now they arrest Vinny on a murder.
I'm still on the street.
When Vinny gets arrested, they have Vinny and Joe on the same indictment.
But Joe's not known as CI number one.
it's Vinny and Joe Massino
they have co-defendant meetings together
but he's cooperating
Vinny doesn't know this
now they for some reason
they put Joe Massino
or Joe Massino is in segregation
they put Vinny in segregation
so now they're both in the shoe
they have a separation order on them
they wired now prior to that
they had a court hearing
when they were in the bullpen
here's the way I know it went down
because I know all the play
They're in the bullpen, and Joe said to Vinny, hey, are you out of your mind with that prosecutor?
You're going to take out the prosecutor?
And Vinny, I know, responded, Bo.
Of course, wasn't that what you sent me the word?
No.
Then this is Joe, them talking.
Joe's not wired up or anything.
This is prior.
So Joe said, are you out of your mind, like to take out of federal prosecutor?
That's why I thought, Bo, you know, okay, okay, let's it go.
Now they're in segregated.
Now, that was during their transport going to court hearing.
Now maybe a week goes by.
They're both in segregation.
Joe tells them what happened.
They wired Joe Messina up.
He's wearing a wire now.
They both go out to the wreck deck.
It's on the rooftop deck.
They're in, okay, even though you have a separate tea order, they could bring you out there, but you're in separate cages.
Right.
So the cages are separated, but you have access like this.
We're together.
So Joe turns around.
Now he knows he has Vinny.
Vinny, I was thinking, that thing you told me with the prosecutor, were you really, like, I can't believe you were going to do that?
Bo, Bo.
Let's not talk about it.
Okay, yeah, you're right.
He just baited Vinny.
Right.
Now, what happened was a guy, Randy Posolo, got killed.
He was around us, the Bonano Crime family.
So Joe says, Vinny, who took this kid out?
Now, Vinny's locked up, but Vinny left orders with me.
Kill him.
So while he's locked up, but I'm loyal.
I kill him.
So Vinny says Dominic did it.
Then he goes into, hey, that thing with Quiet Dom, the boss of Genevieve's crime family,
they accused all the newspapers that I killed him.
Do we have anything to do with it?
Vinny says, no, no, we had nothing to do with it.
So with that, now Joe's got his information, he's on tape.
Now the government, they're worried with the prosecutor.
because now they're built Joe baited him perfectly made it seem like Vinnie it was Vinny's idea and everything
right now they're looking for me because now they know I took out this guy Randy oh shoot now
they're going now he's going to kill the prosecutor they came in like gangbusters finally
when they caught up with me it might have been a few weeks because I was all over the place
I wasn't staying home they arrest me they locked me up under the Sam's Act do you know what the
Sam's actors? No. Terrorists. Okay. No communication, no phone, no visits, nothing, nothing.
All I could do is write, right letters, and it goes through the federal prosecutors.
Finally, after four months, they lift the Sam's order off of me because they were worried about the
prosecutor. Now I'm fighting the case throughout the, throughout that year. Vinnie turns around
and tells me, in the interim, I'm a captain in the crime.
family. Michael Mancuso, who now is the official boss of the crime family at that time,
he's the acting boss. He takes all my guys and breaks up my entire crew. I'm like, Vinnie,
why would he do that? I'm not found guilty yet. That's my support level out there. That's why I have
an acting captain. And that's my income. Bo, I don't know. I don't know. He's just playing games with me.
at the end of the day he tells me now the government had nothing on me me they had no wiretaps
no tapes other than a conversation a jailhouse conversation about you and viny when this kid randy
got killed that i'm charged with that murder viny's locked up in jail i'm at a basketball game
i'm on tv that night like and then what i did the way i orchestrated that hit i told randy do me a favor
tell your wife, it's going to be a late night.
So I'll meet you in the city after the basketball game and we'll hang out.
We're going out.
So he said, he's like, all right, just make sure your wife knows that.
So my thing was with the government, okay, you say, because I know what they're going to say.
I made it, I had an airtight alibi.
I'm at the game and I had him hit.
Then why would I tell him to, and I call Randy's wife to the stand?
Who was he supposed to meet?
Dominic.
Here, the government's saying, I had an alibi.
Why would I throw myself back in the mix?
I had no clue what happened to him.
And that would have been my, that's the way I orchestrated it.
Right.
In that street life, you have to be like 10, 20 steps ahead.
So my lawyer, Jeffrey Lippman, one of the top defense lawyers up there, criminal lawyers, turned around and said, Vinnie, they have nothing on Dominic.
He's not taking the witness stand on your behalf.
Oh, yes, he is.
No, he's not.
He's going to beat the case.
Then he had me fired Jeffrey Lippman, so I fired him.
And he has me, you're going to take the witness stand because you'll come off as credible, and we could beat the case.
Here's two things.
If we win, nobody will ever sit down with me again because they'll consider me a rat, because we're not supposed to admit Cozanostra.
And here I'm talking about I'm a captain, Michael's the acting boss.
It's not illegal.
It's not a crime to be a captain or a boss.
Right.
There's, as long as there's no illegal activities,
now I could show all my legal businesses.
I pay my taxes, this, that, and the other thing.
Nobody will sit with me.
They'll consider me a rat.
Now if we blow case, the trial,
everybody in the prison system is going to look at me.
He's a rat.
He's a rat.
He broke our own.
There's no upside for you.
There's no upside.
So finally I said, you know what?
Other than helping out Vinny.
I'm done.
Right.
I'm done with all the money they robbed from me, leaving me broke.
I'm done.
I'm out of the life.
We broke the straw to the camel's back.
The Christmas before I got locked up from my guys, I collected, I think it was $370,000 for Christmas.
The Christmas I'm locked up, Michael sends me $3,500.
I'm like, you know what?
I see the handwriting on the wall.
I'm out.
Told a lawyer, do me a favor, call the prosecutor.
Tell him I'm coming in.
Well, when I came in, first thing,
Greg Andre said,
I don't care what they say, told the other prosecutors,
I'm asking him.
You were going to kill me?
Yes.
Yes.
Why did Vinny want me dead?
Wasn't Vinny.
It was Joe Messino.
He looked.
What would you say?
I said, Joe Massino sent word.
sent an innuendo wasn't viny vinny had no viny didn't want you dead it was joe joe initiated that
this man turned beat red and he knew joe played everybody what could he do at this point right
joe mcino lied the two lie detected tests now i come in joe massino probably had no clue
that viny told me about this and especially now i'm cooperating no joe miscino lied about that
No, he orchestrated it.
So, I mean, Greg was just livid, livid.
But Joe Messino played it, right?
And, you know, the last Don became the biggest rat in history,
mafia history.
Did he get anything for like?
Yeah, he got, he, after he was sentenced to life,
he wound up getting, he did 11 years.
They let him out, 11 or 12 years.
the judge freedom released him and he wound up dying last year it was in all the papers he was
living in some old age home in uh new york somewhere but uh wherever they put him he you know
he had what 10 years out 12 years on the street and he wound up dying what did you end up getting
the judge sentenced me to 10 years
in 10 years with your cooperation
with my cooperation.
I was facing two life sentences I was facing.
At first I had the death penalty.
They took that off the table.
And then two life sentences.
Judge gave me 10 years.
Everybody thought I was going to walk out.
I had 10 years you do eight and a half.
I had about six and a half in already.
So everybody thought I was going to walk out.
But the only reason why they said the marshals,
everybody is the fact I didn't take the witness protection program if I was taking the program
more than likely I would have got time served but the judge felt you know no they want they wanted me
prosecutors marshals they wanted me to take phase two of the witness protection program and I
just couldn't be away from my daughter my kids my mother what when you say phase two what's
phase one. Well, phase one, when you're in the federal system, they have about five to seven
different institutions that are WITSAC. WITSAC means witness protection program. It's within the BOP.
So they house you where there's all witness protection people. Right. It's not a dropout yard.
It's you have to go through the marshals. You have to take a lie detector test. They do a thorough
scanning that you're not going to go in there and harm anybody. And so you're, you're,
go into that and then phase two is where they give you a new identity and you know they put you in
Arizona next to Sammy the right so so you did another two two and a half years two and a half years
I was released from Otisville New York where they had the they have a program up there witness
protection program in the system they have a unit there and then I came down to Orlando, Florida
You know what it felt like, Matt?
If you could remember back when your first day going to kindergarten
in five years old, you're scared, you don't know anybody.
But you acclimate quick because you're young and there's kids there your own age.
Pitcher, I think it was 44, 45, being dropped off in Orlando,
$25,000 check from the government, have a nice day, not knowing anybody.
right that's scary that's scary and it wasn't like i was a carpenter like i had construction
companies but i hired people to do the work yeah i had auto repair shops i hired people to do the
work so i had no vocational tech training uh no education you know i had a ged some college courses
but that was it so getting back on my feet and here's where i'll go back
There's a guy, his name is Yehuda Capulun.
President Trump, just a Jewish fellow.
I go back with him many, many years.
And I was always respectful, always, you know, there for everybody.
Never took advantage.
He was a friend.
And Yehuda is a type of guy who believes in people.
When I mentioned I was going to cooperate, I had asked him.
He said, Dom, just do it.
Get out of their life.
It's not for you.
and I'm very close with his family.
He was just appointed as ambassador for anti-Semitic.
A Semetic, right.
You got me?
Yes, I'm getting tongue-tied now.
But, and that's a prestigious position.
And he told me, he's like, Dom, I've always believed in you.
I'm proud of you, how you prospered.
And when I came home, he had a job, $200 million.
construction job right he's like dom i have a job for you in miami i'm not interested it's construction
it's 700 homes i'm not interested dom it's 200 million i'll be down there tomorrow right so for two
years i was traveling back and forth my probation wouldn't let me stay down there i had to text them in
the morning when i left olando and text them at night when i came home so that's anywhere from seven to
seven plus hours of driving, I did that four, sometimes five days a week. And massive job.
And that's what I did. And he believed in me. I just, you know, I had a thousand hours community
service. I did it through the Jewish community. I assisted with synagogues and wherever they needed
help certain rabbis. And, you know, like he said, Dom, I believe in people. I believe in the good. I
saw good in you. And that's why I believed in you. And, you know, because of him, it helped me elevate
that much quicker back into society, back financially where now I could buy properties. And that's
what I did. I saw buying properties around my area with all the money I was making off the job.
and from there there was no stopping me again getting back on my feet but it was scary coming out
not knowing um how many years ago is that that was uh 2013 I came home this is the first time in
my adult life I'm out this long in the street I don't even have a parking ticket like I
had just been by the law whenever I do something in my life it's always 100% thousand
percent. And I felt if I'm turning my life around, I'm going to do it. I'm not going to be
a knucklehead where I'm going to just keep on messing up, going back in. Even my own family
members turned around and said, past comments. He hasn't changed. He'll be back in. And that
when I first came home in 2013. Give him a few years, he'll be back in. And I look at them like,
wow, what garbage you are to say that. And these are,
are first cousins turning around saying passing comments like that it's it's you know it's just it's
it's always somebody who's not doing as well as you're doing who they there it's like they're
they want you to fail so i wasn't doing well ahead just came home it's like wow like you're that
hateful like how this it's still jealousy they people are jealous they they probably thought he will
do well so to make myself feel better i'll say ah he'll be back he'll go right back to prison he'll you know
Especially since you haven't given them any, at this point, you know, any reason to think that.
Right.
Other than the last few decades of going in and out of prison.
Did you, there was a movie with Forrest Whitaker and the guy who, he was in saving private Ryan.
He was in heat.
He died recently.
And he was in the witness, it's a movie about being in the witness protection program.
Okay.
And he's in the witness protection program and Forrest Whitaker is a marshal and he's basically trying to explain to him like you've got no money.
Like we sold your house.
Right. And you were in the hole. Like you, you, it's funny too because his wife is there and his wife is like, no, no, no, what are you talking about?
Our house is worth $600,000? And he's like, yeah, but there was a mortgage.
she's like there's no mortgage and then he has to turn to him and she's like he's like there
was a mortgage we I had to take it out a few years ago I took it I didn't tell you about it
she's like you took a mortgage out on her house and so he's like yeah and he was like upside down
I don't know 30,000 50,000 whatever it was and the marshals are like you don't owe that
we took care of that for you but you don't have any money like they think they're got half a million
right right right right he's like so you're going to have to get a regular job he's like how am I
going to get a job. I don't have any
type of history. And Forrest Riddaker's trying to explain
to him, when you start
slow, you go and you get a job
at a labor place. And you tell them
that if they won't hire, you tell them you'll work for free
for the first week or two. And that will help you get. And he's just like,
this guy's looking at him, just like, are you out of your
fucking mind? Like, can you, like, I was here.
Right. And you're telling me you wanted me to go below
here and start over. And he just couldn't fathom it.
but it's interesting because the whole thing is just about them being in the witness protection program
trying to explain this guy how to reaclimate to a normal life and he's just not having it you know
you would at least had somebody right i got lucky with that and the reason why we'll revert back
where i told you i didn't shake down legitimate people right i always treated them well you
who it was legitimate.
Like we always had a good relationship, good rapport.
If somebody went, got nasty with him because you're in New York.
You have people they want to take advantage.
I would stick up for him.
I didn't ask for money.
I didn't ask for, I'm your friend.
I did it out of the goodness of my heart.
Like, not because I want something from you.
And that's where we began our friendship with mutual respect.
Not because, and he knew.
I'm over here sticking up for him.
Somebody's bullying in them.
Like, he knew, like, all right, pay up.
Like, I just wouldn't do that.
That wasn't my style.
So what are you doing now?
You've got rental properties and stuff.
But is that what else you're doing?
Yeah, I have a vodka company.
My latest venture is crypto, official crypto nostra.
Okay.
And I said, crypto nostra, like Koza Nostra, our thing.
I thought on my podcast, I have a lot of people.
I do a lot of live.
So there's a lot of interaction with my audience.
And they're constantly asking me, Dom, how could I make money?
I'm involved with stocks, too.
I self-taught myself while I was in prison.
And I'll talk about stocks.
I'll talk about the construction business, medical, DMEs, all different types of.
I'm involved in a lot of different things.
So people always ask me, dumb, how could I make money?
Can you help me out?
Can you give me something, some idea?
I thought about it, why not come out with a mean coin?
Now, there's a bad stigma on these coins.
So, because a lot of times they go on pump.com and they pump and dump them.
Right. So I figured out, how could I build something and add,
value to it, make it a utility. I figured nobody in the mafia genre has this or came out
with it. NFTs is digital art. So that's totally different. So I figured let me come out with
this coin. And the way we constructed it is we minted two billion tokens. Now out of the two
billion tokens, we're creating a gaming app. It's called Rise to Power. And with that gaming
gap, we're taking 30% of the tokens and locking it into the gaming gap. So they can't be
touched. The only way those coins come out, while people are playing the game, they can mine
coins. So that adds value to the coin. Second, we're creating NFTs, digital art, Mafia.
NFTs. We're going to come out with anywhere from 2,500 to 5,000 NFTs. So that adds value to the
coin as well. What did the NFTs look like? Oh, you'll see. Don't worry. I'm going to have a
picture of you with me. I was going to say, you got to do a Franzis. Oh, yeah. No, I'm going to do
Al Capone with myself with franchise. We could get real creative with that. So that brings value to the
coin. The next factor is we created an online shopping center from I'm coming out with
wise guy workouts, wise girl workouts, clothing loungeware. We have coffee products. We have
Kosoostra travel. We have aerosol cans that are basically fire extinguishes. And they're in
Walmarts. The coffee's in Walmart. So save a bag of coffee.
is retailing at $12, and my cost is $5.
You could buy it on the website for $12 or use CryptoNostra.
We're going to have a wallet set up on the website, pay with CryptoNostra, and pay $5, and giving
everything that cost.
If my shirts are selling for $40, and it's cost to me $25, pay with Crypto Nostra, $25.
What I'm doing is creating an ecosystem.
and I added to a mean coin, now it became a utility coin.
So it brings up the value of the coin.
We just had our pre-sale, and we're being launched off a radium,
and then you have to go through Phantom, the wallet.
Phantom, because of the Hock Tour, I don't know if you heard of it.
Yeah, yeah, I know the chick, and I know she did kind of a rugpole.
A rug pull.
Correct.
Correct. They had 90% of that coin, the tokens, were in only 10 wallets. So they had the majority of tokens. And I'll go back to that in a minute. But with the Haktua, they did the rug pull on it. With us, our tokens, right now we sold out of our pre-sale. We had 400 million tokens on the pre-sale.
We sold out. We raised $154,000 to just looked, $154,000. That's in our liquidity pool.
We have, I think last count was maybe 142 wallets. So it's all spread out. It's not loaded up.
What I did was on the open market, we launched tomorrow. We have 375 million tokens.
are left for the open market.
We have 75 million tokens that are put aside for advertising, marketing influences.
So what I did was I told my audience, we're going to put 50 million tokens up in a pool.
So if I have 100 people that sign up, they have to abide by the terms and conditions of the
contract.
They have to promote.
So every time we tweet something, put something on Instagram, they have to repost it and go
on sites and promote the coin.
for about 10, 15 minutes a day, that's it.
When the coin hits, everybody has their wallet with, say, half a million coins in the wallet, 100 people.
For them to have ownership, for it to be there, as the coin has to reach 50 cents.
Once it reached 50 cents, it's their wallet.
But the wallet's locked until one or two things happen.
The coin hits $4, then it'll get released, they'll get the access code.
They just made $2 million if that happens.
If that doesn't happen, then there's a six-month waiting period.
But they have to live up to the terms and condition to help promote the coin throughout the six months.
After that time, they'll get an activation code where if the coin's trading that 50 cents, a dollar, $2, it's their money.
So I'm engaging the audience.
I'm only good.
I'm only as good as my people around me.
And I'm making everybody feel they're part of something bigger.
They're part of a family.
a group. And at the same time, it's free. They come on. They join. But the vision with this coin
is to make it a utility, make it a currency. Nobody has done that. So I'm putting foundations
in place, levels in place where it's going to become valuable. It's not just a mean token.
Trump's coin, official Trump, it's just a mean coin. There's no value to it.
Other than the name recognition, Trump.
Ours, we're putting value behind it.
We're making it a utility at the same time.
Are you doing it?
I mean, are you coming out with other stuff other than the, I mean, other like things you can buy with the coin?
I would like to, yes, as we move on, if I have friends with restaurants where they could go get meals.
I do want to come out with if we see its movement, when the coin goes up, you know, now we become more valuable.
So the company, there's 30% that gets locked into the game, 30% that's in the company that stays there.
It's not going to be sold.
Not down the road, yes, as we grow, where I could say, let's do a credit card.
Let's do a debit card because now we're worth a lot of money.
The coin goes up.
We have the value.
I'm going to do things to build a company because at the end of the day, I want to leave behind the legacy.
and this could be a legacy here
and we could be noticed by a lot of people
with doing the right thing
with donating
this 25%
goes to
charity
we have 50 because I have a 1%
transaction fee
and on the website
it's called a white paper
so it shows where
everything's accountable
you show everybody where percentages are going
and I think with the gaming gap
we're adding value we're giving back to the people it's a free gaming gap so while they're playing
the game they can mine coins and at the end of the day after a month after two months they have
a hundred dollars in coins they could keep it they could sell it they could do whatever they want
with it what is the game uh rise to power what is it what is it what is it like you um it's just a
simple game it's not a first person shooter no no no no no no you go to different levels you
want to hit the pinnacle of boss.
So you go from a street guy to an associate to a soldier, and it's different levels.
So right now, I should have the prototype in the next two weeks, but the game should be
completed in the next five to six weeks.
It should be out there.
And everything's about time, and the coin gets launched officially tomorrow.
Like I said, the market makers will have it.
So it's on them.
Every transaction, we get a 1% transaction fee.
That's why on the shopping cart, I could afford to ship for free.
That's another thing.
Use the token.
Free shipping.
I want to make it, especially in today's economy, where people, prices are high.
I'm giving back, but at the same time, I'm building something.
I have a vision for the future.
And we all know crypto is the future.
It's definitely the future without a doubt.
And I just have something here.
I think we have a nice, unique niche.
where if it's done right, you know, we could build this to a nice company and very profitable.
You got to get all the, all the mob genre guys.
You got to get them all on board.
It's funny that you say that.
I spoke to Michael.
I'm supposed to be going on his show, Franchise, talking about that too as well.
What about Sammy the Bull?
Oh, Sammy, him and I don't see eye to eye.
He's a snake.
he's no good. I call him scammy, actually. I don't talk to Sammy anymore. He's shysty. He did
something dirty with me. What about, who else is there? Nadeu. You know, Nadeu? No, no,
he's a piece of garbage. Is he? He came out. He's talking about the coin saying I'm doing
a rugpole. Nasty. He's jealous. He's just... He's supposed to have come on here. He's canceled
twice. Like, he wanted... He's like, he said, I want to come to him. I want to come on your show.
and then something suddenly something happened and then he rescheduled again and then it again he he he I don't know what I don't know what's going on I can tell you one thing about him I used to like not used to he once in a while puts I shouldn't even say that I'll be fair he puts out good content he put out content on me twice lying once talking about because I had a Patreon with him he told all the viewers
He went partners with a guy Frankie Joyer
who's just coming out in the mafia genre.
He was with the Luckeesie crime family.
And Frankie wound up kicking him to the curb.
So Jeff went on to tell everybody how bad Frankie is,
but then he made it about me.
Talking about I came to him for production,
promotions, because I know he knows how to do things
and all this.
So, of course, all lies.
I combated him.
I went on my show
and I showed people
the text messages from them.
Dom, thank you so much
for allowing me the opportunity.
I didn't,
he asked me.
And it says it
says it in the text messages.
So I called them out on everything.
I spent about an hour show
and I went, boom, boom,
line by line.
Comes out recently
and he's talking about
my coins, a rugpole.
Dominic, what are you doing? You scamming people now? Dominic, you were never loyal to anybody. Like,
really? So I hit him with, Jeff, I wasn't loyal to anybody. I could have ratted 20 years ago
when the government set me up on a fake drug case. I didn't rat. I killed people an organized crime
for the family. That's not loyalty. I was going to kill the prosecutor. That's not loyalty.
Like, at the end of the day, you don't know what loyalty is.
The only time I broke my loyalty was when I cooperated with the government.
But for you to come on and say, I'm doing a rugpole, how is it a rug pull when I built a gaming app behind it?
I have close to half a million dollars invested into this.
I'm doing online shopping.
I'm engaging the audience with a $50 million coin pool.
We're doing the NFTs.
That's not a rug pull.
And by the way, Jeff's, just so you know, after the Haktua girl, we had to get, we were audited by Phantom.
And we had my app builders, the people that's creating this, had to get verified.
And basically, it's a background check to make sure they're not associated with any rug pulls.
So you don't know, and I'm not going on pump.com.
This is my coin.
I own everything.
so for you to say that and by oh and he kept on saying during his tyrant about me his rant
Dominic you could sue me any time you could go ahead and try to sue me and by the way
Jeff I had the lawyers look into it already I do have a lawsuit right what I'm doing right now
is an asset search to see if you have anything to sue and I left it at that but I'm like
and I told him as sincerity I have no ill feelings towards anybody
I said, Jeff, you know what, sign up for my influencer program with the 50 million coins
because, Jeff, I know with your outreach, you know, you'll get, you'll make things happen.
And Jeff, it's free money for you.
What do you have to lose, time?
And if it is a scam, now you have more content to talk about me.
So come on, sign up, Jeff.
And I say that sincerely, not being sarcastic, but at the end of the day, he's just a miserable person.
and he right now he has his head up somebody's butt so far is this the i've seen the it's funny
then i saw all the uh him going to merlino marlino's um sandwich place and and uh initially i
thought he was kind of um like i thought he had an issue with with merlin he did they did they did that
while back yeah joe even said joey got on
there and ripped the do yeah i thought there was a a little yes little feud going on yeah there was
and i didn't think anything of it until i happened to he came up on my thing and he's he's eating a
you know a philly's cheese steak he's talking about how good it is and um you know he goes he's going
on and on about you know what you know whatever uh the bread i know everything yeah no i heard a lot
good things about it and i'm but i mean he's going on and on about it and i'm thinking oh they must
have you know i was like i thought there was an issue there
but you know so um so let's put him aside let's say so we got wade i got i can i can
hook you up with uh Wade Wade's another okay Wade is uh he knows um all about uh you know
we talked about him beforehand he knows right he's he's big into uh into the genre um no
I definitely love it I appreciate it um you know um definitely I was going to say what what who else I
wonder who else there is there's there's other people you know the problem is a lot of these
guys they start out and then they just they die off quick you know that i think they're they're
used they're not used to putting in the work you know and it's like they'll do it for three
months and then it just doesn't work out and they quit oh like four years five years yeah and
it's probably just the last four months that it's been it's taken off it's starting to
oh yeah like he literally he was he came here three months ago
four months ago, and we did a video about him trying to reach 10,000 subs.
Right. And so we put the video out, and within a week, he was at 10,000. So he was already
9,000 and changed, right? 1,600 or something. So he kind of pushed over the edge. You got 10,000.
That was three or four months ago. In the last, let's say it's four months ago. In four months,
he's now at 15,000. So it took you four years to get to 10. And then in the last four months,
it's already 50% increase.
And that's the problem is that's what happens.
Yeah.
You,
you know,
you grind and grind and you feel like you're getting nowhere and nowhere.
And then suddenly once it kind of starts,
it usually,
you know,
it feels like it's doing this and then it suddenly shoots up.
Right, right.
And you're like,
what's going on?
But if you really look at it,
and it is like that.
But,
you know,
it's like Colby and I will look back like,
every time I complain,
like bro like the numbers are down
and this and this and this
Colby'll go
here's what April was
at last year and I'm like
fuck
like you know what I'm saying
like as bad as we're doing
it's double that right right right right
you don't realize
you don't you don't
so
but yeah Wade would
Wade would love
yeah no I'm interested
listen I'm going on a tour
because with the book
with the crypto that's coming out
I work
I work. I go. I'm not lazy. God has blessed me with vision. And I tell everybody all the time. A lot of
times people, Dom, you're crazy. You're out of your mind. If people don't laugh at your dreams,
your dreams aren't big enough. I'm up every day, four o'clock in the morning, out of bed by four.
I wake up at three. My doctors are like, Dom, don't get out. I used to get out of bed at three.
He's like, don't do it. That's the worst thing you could do. Stay in bed.
you're up at least four o'clock because by you getting out of bed at three it puts your body
into a night shift mode and that's not good for you so i'll stay in bed but i'm up every morning
i do my paperwork i have that's when i come up with ideas uh just it's quiet it's peaceful
and uh i'm them in the gym by 630 620 yeah that was me two years ago now it's like 7 730
Although we were this morning, we got up, and Jess and I were there by, was it, it was probably six or six. Listen, when you, when you page, when you texted me, I was at the gym.
Okay. Oh, wow. Yeah, that was like 5.5.30. Yeah. It was like 5.30. Yeah. It was probably 5.30. That's right. That's rare.
Usually. I know he's going to respond right. Six or seven. But I am, I'm the same way. I wake up at like two or three. I'll lay. Sometimes I'll lay there for two hours, three hours before I get out of bed. Sometimes I'm lucky I might drift off.
again, but usually I'm, um, I'm up. A couple of years ago, like this hadn't been like
there's probably over a year where I woke up, woke up at 4 o'clock. And by 5.30, we were at the
gym and we worked out for 30 to 45 minutes because they take a lot. Like I'm not, me too.
I'm not, I'm going to do that. Everyone's like, oh, you work out. You that, bro, I go through
the motions. Yeah, I say 45 minutes to an hour. Everything is light. You don't hear me
grunting or screaming or, come on one more, let's put another plate on there. None of that.
listen at our age we don't need that just maintaining yeah um yeah listen 80% of it is is is um diet anyway
that's my problem it is i love to eat um uh but but i don't know where we were going with this anyway
oh working but yeah i work probably 68 60 80 hours a week i'm working all the time i'm texting all
the time right do whatever you know well you enjoy i'm sure you enjoy what you're doing listen the
remember how we were figuring out when you were going to come right right how i moved it
multiple because i'm trying to get can i get two people in one to can i move this can i right right
you know moving it around like trying to get maximized the the time and even tonight i still have
after this i have a phone call to make with the guy uh but um yeah but i mean i i i i already
talked about this earlier what we're all the time i love working yeah it's all i want to do
Why?
Which is horrible.
That's really horrible.
But yeah, this is like the whole thing's taken off.
And who else?
You showed me.
There's a couple other mob channels that are out there.
You know what it is?
Even in the mob genre, so many people are jealous.
It's disgusting.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
I would say the only one who's not as Michael, Van Chase.
he's on a different level yeah but everybody's Sammy Mikey Scores they're just to me that
everybody's they're doing their own thing they're successful at it but nobody wants to get
together and do something good and everybody's ego everybody's egos well and I remember
Merlino started his podcast which was funny because it's like it started out then it kind
of failed and then it well they've been they shadow but what's
it called shadow ban that yeah i think he was saying he was shadow band no they were because every other
words in that word oh yeah yeah so he monetized he monetized it yeah he was it's so funny too because
i so wanted to reach out and be like look you've got a winning formula you have to all you've got
you know what i'm saying right but by that time i he's we're already there's already like a i don't
even say it's a mini feud because guys will say oh he did he said this he like i don't even think
this guy you know what i'm saying thinks about me like i don't think about me like i don't think
about him. He didn't really think about me, but like he's got real feuds going on. Right, right, right.
Oh, yeah. But he likes it. It fuels him. It does. And he, and he, and it's funny, too, because there's
nothing the first time I mentioned, uh, him and that, and that I did, and that, you know, I had lunch with
them a few times. The first time, um, I was going to say, like, I don't change anything. He's done
nothing but prove everything I said, which was he's extremely unhappy. He's, he was miserable. He was
miserable the whole time that we sat there and I listened to him just complain and
bitch and moan and then he then I I've never watched a full video until recently
which was the one about um about Gene Borrello okay with the girl yes and if what's the
guy's name not it's not Marlina I mean it's Smurf I call him Snuff Snuff snuffie
Snuff luffet guess snuff if it I don't know what Merlino would do if it weren't for
snuff is running snuff is 90%
of the podcast.
Merlino's
Merlino's
The face.
Yeah, yeah.
But, you know,
his,
his contribution
to the video
I watched with the chick
was he sat there
and his contribution
was,
ah,
what do you expect?
He's a fucking rat.
These fucking rats.
Woman beaded.
He's a woman beat it.
He's a woman beat her.
You know,
he tied women to beds
and he fuck it.
Like I'm saying stuff
I've never heard.
Yeah.
He did.
He did.
And I was thinking to myself
like,
I fell for snuff.
He's trying to admit it.
He's trying to kind of like, yeah, yeah.
I feel like he wanted to say, what are you doing, bro?
Like help participate in a little bit more positive way than just reiterating the same thing.
Like, you've got a recipe for an amazing podcast.
You just have to.
He's too rough.
He's too rough around the edges.
Because he comes up with some good ones, though.
Listen, the one with, he spoke about his uncle.
Did you know his uncle cooperated?
Yeah.
When the cousin called him, hey, my uncle, my father passed away.
Okay, and what should I do with him?
When's Trash Day, Thursday, throw him in the effing trash?
Yeah, he's told him.
I was like, oh, my God, he didn't just do that.
I believe him doing that, too.
Oh, I have no doubt.
I have no doubt.
He does come up with some zingers, though.
I laugh, I laugh.
But, yeah, they could have, they could have, well, I think their thing is taking off.
I think Patreon, that's where they're...
That's where they're making money on Patreon.
He's doing like $30 a person?
Is he?
I heard, I never checked.
I could never get paid.
I couldn't get...
I can't barely get 10 bucks.
Really, we're struggling for 10?
No, he's loved.
He's loved out there.
He's loved.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What else?
What do you think?
So I guess is he, so are we thinking you go, yeah, he could jump on the, the, the
crypto?
Who, Molino?
Oh, I will love, listen, I will love to bring them on because you know what?
It shows the world.
Okay, they have their differences.
Cool, call me, you could get on, call me a rat to my face.
I'm going to agree.
I ratted.
Yeah.
I read.
Listen, I did a video the other day where I was like, look, if you make that decision,
if you make that decision, I got no problem with you.
Like people like, oh, people say this.
People say, I have no problem with that.
Right.
Here, I had to weigh, and it came a time.
Kelby's heard of this.
There came a time when I had to weigh the respect of my fellow scumbag criminals
and 12 more years of freedom.
It was not a hard decision, you know?
So, and I knew that because just like how you said, you know, there's, you were never
loyal, you never the, when the first time I got, yeah, I know you don't really know my story,
but the first time I got in trouble was I had, I had a,
Two people that, when I say friends, we went to, we went on vacations together.
We babysat each other's kids.
We went to parties together.
We talked all the time.
We both own mortgage companies.
These people got in trouble.
They ran what's called a straw man scam.
They got investigated by the FBI.
They came to me, I know you're under investigation.
And they asked me to refinance their house and get them $75,000 to pay their attorney.
I did.
I didn't charge them anything, nothing.
I give them the $75,000, they go and hire an attorney.
The first thing their attorney says is,
you need wear a wire on this guy.
They wear a wire on me.
So they wear a wire on me.
They get me talking about, you know, manufacturing W-2s, pay stuff, everything.
I just completely bear myself.
I don't realize what's happening.
About halfway through the conversation, I realize,
fuck, they're wired.
Never once did I think that they were going to cooperate.
They were cooperating against me.
everybody I knew was telling me they're 5-0
you'd stay away from them
they're gonna fucking cooperate I'm like
they're friends of mine
I remember I got into an argument with my wife
I was like what the fuck it
we went to Puerto Rico together
we go to vacation we go to Disney
where babies like what's wrong with you
my wife at the time
way smarter than me
Puerto Rican
she's got family members that are in federal
prison she knows people
she knows how it works
I'm an upper middle class white guy who doesn't know anybody that's never been in trouble.
And so I don't really know how it works.
She's saying, stay away from them.
And I was thinking to myself, my God, like we were at their party the other day.
What are you doing?
I'm going to refinance their house.
Don't do it.
I do.
They wear a wire.
I get in trouble.
FBI comes in.
They want to talk to me.
And I say, no, I'm not going to talk to the FBI.
I go hire my own lawyer, $75,000.
apparently that's what you get to as a lawyer go in the door by the way I want to plead guilty
75 ran 75 ran to plead guilty wow so he gives 75,000 I tell him I don't want to talk to the FBI
because he told me by the way you'll love this he told me you haven't been indicted they just want
to talk to you but they've got a wire right right right I can keep you from being indicted
you here's what you're going to do you go into go into your office
They believe that you're running a mill, that you guys are committing fraud constantly.
Right. Go get five or ten files of your most egregious, fraudulent files, bringing them to the office.
I'll have the FBI come in. You can explain about your brokers and who's worked with them.
I'm like, he's like, cooperate with them. And I can keep you from being indicted. I'm like, yeah, but what happens to my brokers?
And he's like, well, I mean, they'll be indicted. But you haven't been. We can keep you from that.
It's called pretrial intervention or whatever they call it.
And I went, I'm not going to do that.
I saw the godfather.
Like, you know what I'm thinking?
I would never.
Like, how dare, I was disgusted.
You know what I feel?
I feel like when I watch these guys who have never been in trouble or they've been in trouble,
they got arrested one time for selling a little grass.
And they were, the cops telling them they're facing 20 years when really they're facing six months probation.
Right. And they say, I'm not going to talk. And then they get six months probation or two years probation. You were never really looking at time. Right, right. And now they're gangsters. Right. If I got a fucking life since I just take it. Motherfucker, you were selling some. Right. You were never facing 20 years. It's all a lie. Like, but they feel like gangsters. I felt like a gangster. I also felt like the crime you have me for, they had me for was lying on some applications.
the FBI was saying
there's half a million in loss
I'm saying there's no loss
there never was any loss
because those were mortgages
that were taken out on properties
that were worth more than the mortgages
so there's no loss
they're trying to make scare me
my lawyer's trying to scare me
whatever I'm like I'm not looking at jail time
my lawyer's telling me I'm looking at three years
but I realize he's wrong
because they're giving him bad information
because I understand that you can't say
that there's potential loss, if I borrow half a million dollars on a house that's worth 600,000,
there's no potential loss. It's fraud, but if there's no dollar loss, you're not going to jail.
Right. At that level, I've never been in trouble. So I say, no, I'm not doing that. Absolutely not.
I'll take the plea. They also wanted to indict my wife. I said, drop the charge on my wife.
I'll take the plea. That's what happens. So that happens. The next time I got in trouble,
I went on the run.
But that time, everybody I knew that was spoken to, that was involved in the crowd, all of them cooperated.
Everybody.
They had, I had like 15, maybe 13.
I had roughly 15 people on my indictment.
It was my name.
And it was, you know, unnamed co-conspirator, you know, a B4.
Or, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, like BG.
then unnamed co-conspirator S-B,
unnamed co-conspirator, G, whatever.
Like, there were just the initials, right?
Sometimes they do it different.
So there was like 13 people that I'm like,
all these people are unnamed,
but they've all cooperated.
Right.
So I'm on the run for three years.
By the time I get caught,
I now know everybody's cooperated.
So it's like the first time I didn't plead guilty.
I mean, I'm sorry,
first time I didn't cooperate to get completely off Scott-free.
Right.
the second time I know better now I know everybody's cooperating so then of course I cooperate
right so I I when you were explaining that whole thing of no no I could have there's many
times I could cooperate and I didn't it's not till I realize oh everybody's rolling over on me
and you expect me to take it but I don't ever go into that because at that point when I said
I'm going to cooperate.
And I actually mentioned this the other day.
I think we have a TikTok on it where I explain.
If someone calls me a snitch or a rat or whatever,
I don't defend that.
Right. Absolutely.
I did.
I had to make that decision.
I made it.
But that's not a decision that I made the first time around.
The first time I told nobody.
Listen, and I was telling if I knew the first time, what I know now,
I would have cooperated the first time.
Absolutely.
Right.
Yeah, it's got 2 million views on TikTok
Yeah, 2 million views
Yeah, 2.4, the TikToks, the top comments
Are a real definition of I gotta put me first
And then the second is anything over seven days
I'm snitching
You know, that's, look, these
Like these are my fans
Right, right, right. Right, right.
I love the first, first podcast I did
Was with Danny Jones, there were so many
I thought for sure I'm getting roasted
There could see these guys are going to tear me apart
And there were so many guys that were in there that were saying, like, but this dude's just
keep it.
This is probably the most honest person on YouTube.
He's absolutely keeping it real.
He's telling exactly what happened.
This is the way it is.
He's not, you know, I mean.
That's the best way to be.
Yeah.
Best way to be.
I got no problem with, you know, with that.
I mean, I think people, I think if you're honest, people are very forgiving.
And they see, they'll see through it.
I get that all the time.
Dom, you come off so sincere.
you're quick to apologize if you're wrong.
To me, it takes a real man to apologize
to admit when they're wrong.
But when I'm right, I'm sticking to my guns.
Right.
Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching.
Do be a favor, hit the subscribe button
and the bell so you get notified a video just like this.
Also, please share the video.
Also, in the description box,
we're going to leave Dominic's links
to all of his social media,
to his YouTube channel,
also to the website.
Is it a website for crypto?
Yeah, official crypto nostra.com.
Okay.
We're going to leave a link to the official website for the official
Cryptonostra.
I'm saying it.
It's hard to say.
But the link will be in there, click on it, go there, check it out.
Buy some coin.
Is it coin?
Do you call it coin?
Coin token, whatever you want to call it.
Buy some coin or token, whatever you want to describe it.
Go in there.
It's in the description box.
All the links will be there.
Thank you so much for watching.
podcast. Please consider joining our Patreon. It's $10 a month and it really does help us make these
videos. Thank you very much. See you.