Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Confronting Wes Watson's Student on his Arrest, Cooperation & Life In Prison

Episode Date: April 4, 2025

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What are you doing, bro? Stop. No, no longer. I wasn't going to tell anybody, and he was in my house. I was born in the Bronx, like third year in college. I left, I never went back, and I started stripping. Oh, my God. I started taking off my clothes for women.

Well, how does that, that's not like, it's not like you answered an ad. Like, do you have a buddy or something? So by that time, coming out of college, I was working out in the gym. And I remember I was doing bicep curls on a cable machine. And as I'm doing the curls, I'm just, you know, moving the arm. based on what a curl looks like and I see this one guy walk by he had this huge chest coming out of his shirt and uh it almost look like a character long hair like a mullet type of it and he walks by he goes he has a deep accent that's not how you do it and I'm like what what do you

mean he goes you see this and he he makes a bicep and he has a peek right he goes you see this ball right here let me show you that this is how you got to do the extra so he's he takes the cable and he starts to do this and he turns his wrist and he turns his wrist and he says And I'm like, twisting. Yeah, and I'm like, oh. And I'm like, let me see. And I try to do it. Goes, yeah, like that.

Keep doing like that. So he leaves and he comes back on his way out. He says, what do you do this weekend? And I said, nothing. He goes, you want to call me to show? And I'm like, show. I'm like confused. Like, what do you mean?

Well, show what? He goes, oh, I'm a stripper. And I said, stripper. He goes, yeah, I take off my clothes for women. I get money. I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, let's go. So I go with him to the show.

I ended up picking him up. So maybe he didn't have a car. I don't know, but that was his ride. And it was the most, the oddest thing I've ever seen. I've never experienced that. So we're not going to the door. We go into the apartment. She opens the door and there's a sea of women in the living room.

I'm like, what the hell? We walk in there screaming. And I'm in shock. I'm taking all this in. And we get to the bedroom and he starts peeling off his clothes. I'm like, what are you doing? He goes, no, I have to change from this and I have to put on this. And this is a policeman outfit.

And I give them music. And you see, you see. so I'm watching this guy and he's he's getting dressed he's got his outfit on and I'm like okay he goes okay here's the here's the tape it was a cassette that's how long ago here's the tape give to the lady and tell her when she plays it I'll come out don't come back and I'm like she tell her not to come back and I said okay so I go out I said listen he wants you to put this on when the music starts and he hears it he'll come out she goes okay music starts he starts marching out doing this thing and when he comes out to the living room all the ladies erupt like they are just

going but i can't wait to get their hands on this guy and i'm like shocked i'm like i don't even believe this kind of thing exists because it was my first time and i was like oh my god they're tearing at him and he he can't even do his show he's trying to take off his outfit and they're just helping him out and i'm like wow what the and you know i'm i'm i'm like this is just amazing so i was so impressed and I was like and then the dollars are flying and remember he told me inside when they throw the dollars at me take them because they'll take them back and I'm like okay so I start collecting the dollars and I'm taking them like packs into the room and dropping them in his bag and I'm coming back out and picking up the dollars and going back and so finally he's done he goes to the room

I go to the room and I'm like damn man that was he goes you like it I'm like yeah whoa that's crazy go get my tape because you know I don't want he had like two more after that I said all right so I go out, I get the tape. She gives me the tip and she goes, hold on a second. And the girls are like, well, what about you? And I was like, no, no, no, I don't do this. You know, it's not my thing. And they were like, oh, yes, you. And they grabbed me. They pulled me to the floor. They took off my clothes. And I had, I was like covering myself. And they looked at me and I was so nervous, but they were so pretty that I started to get aroused. And I'm like, oh, damn. And I was trying to push it. And And then I kind of like skipped away to the room and he goes, what happened?

I'm like, bro, they just threw me on the floor. They took my clothes off. He goes, and you have a problem. I'm like, yeah, I have a problem. Anyway, he gave me some of his clothes because they kind of, they ripped myself. I mean, it was just ripped. They were sad. And then, you know, it came to me that the recipe is a bunch of women in one place together

drinking. Right. It's a disaster. Savages. Savages. They just like throw caution to the women and they do everything. anyway um he gets dressed we go to the next one the same thing happens it was just like wow this is this and then the third one he tells me at the end he goes you know what maybe you should do this

and i was like i don't know man it's just like i'm shy you know i'm not like the kind of guy that that um that's into that i just i'm a shy kid you know he goes i'm going to get you into this and so you know that that's how i got into it um we went to a show the following week And he goes, you're dancing today. I'm like, what? He goes, you're dancing today. I'm like, no, I don't have it. No, I brought an offer for you.

You're going to be construction. Because it was a very minimal was that. A pair of broken shorts, a tool belt, and a tank top with some boots. The village people. That's that kind of gay shit. I'm like, what the hell is? What are you talking about? He goes, yeah, I got you some music and you just got to figure out what name you're going to use.

I'm like, well, I don't have a name, man. What name? That's important. Because I can't just bring you out of Tony. And I was like, No, anyway, I couldn't figure out a name. He told the lady I was the Latin lover. All right, whatever.

So she brings me out. I go out within five minutes, they have pulled everything off. I came back in, I made my tips, and I was like, wow, this is, I think I could do this. This is pretty good. He gave me 75 bucks for that 30 minutes. I'm like, not bad. He goes, next week, we got a gig. I want you to bring an outfit.

I want you to do your thing. And it's just serious. You're now official for next week. You're now a professional. Here's your card. That's it. You got paid. You're now a pro.

I'm like, okay. So all week I was thinking about what's my thing going to be. I didn't have much. So I go in my closet. I had a leather jacket, a motorcycle jacket. And I had some pair of leather pants, old leather pants. And I had a pair of boots. I said, okay, I'm fucking going to use this.

And then I had a pair of mirrored glasses. Mirrored. I chose mirrored because I'm shy. So as soon as I look at some, somebody in the eyes, I just, I, I want to look away. And so mirrored, so you, you already had a village, a village man, village person style outfit, apparently, which is, I don't know how, I don't know how the pants got there, but I had the jacket. I thought the jacket was cool. I go to the, I go to the gig that night, and he goes, all right, you'll go off first. I go all second. I'm like, okay, so I'm getting dressed. And I remember, clearly the door, the door was open for some reason. And I'm looking in the mirror, getting myself ready. I'm putting on my jacket, I put on my shades, and I'm just, you know, making sure I look okay. And I see in the reflection of the mirror, a girl passes by, and she says, she turns back, and she goes, you know who you look like? And I turn around and say, who do I look like?

You look like, you like that guy, Mad Max. You know, the guy that plays Mad Max? I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, because of the outfit. Yeah. I was like, oh, okay, thank you. And she goes, yeah, and he goes, what am I going to call you? I was like, Mad Max. And so that became my name.

for the following 20 years of stripping Mad Max. That's how I got that. But then, yeah, it was every weekend. I would have five, six, seven shows. I'd come home with $15, $1,000, $1,700. I'd always leave my tips in the bag. So at the end of the week, I'd emptied out the bag for the tips, and I had a couple hundred bucks and tips in the bag.

And it was a, it was a, that was all I was making a living out of. And it was a lot for the time, you know, my age and stuff like that. But it was, it was good, man. It was really good. You don't think about it. It was pick of the litter. It was a pick of the litter, man. And everybody, I was like, you're hot.

You're coming. And, okay, let's go. Yeah, it was pretty cool. I had, so the police officer, it was my, I should, oh, I would love to, I should ask, my ex-wife, we were divorced. She had a new boyfriend, which is now her husband, his name was Nick. and it was somebody it was i want to say it was it was her birthday it might have been wrong i'm sure if i called her up by she'd be like no it was so-and-so's birthday whatever anyway they were gathered at her house there was a party and we paid for a stripper

me and this guy rudy my buddy rudy we paid for a stripper to come to the house for the party and arrest her you know they right yeah played off turn around you know she's He's like, well, and she's all freaking, what, and of course, there was no, first of all, the outfit wasn't official. It wasn't official looking. I mean, it did sort of, but you realize like, wait a minute, why doesn't he have, he just has a shirt and it's down to here. Right. He does, he doesn't have like the utility belt kind of thing. He doesn't have kind of like a belt, but it's like, you should have known something, was it right?

But anyway, he walks in like, he goes to put the cuffs on her or something, I forget. But, and then he starts doing the, you know, the music plays and he starts doing the whole thing. And she's like, and my, my, my ex-father-in-law had to take her boyfriend, Nick, out of the house. He was so irritated. And he was furious with me, furious with me for, first of all, I'm her ex-husband. Why is he even here? Like, that was his constant thing. Why is this guy around?

But we still owned a bunch of real estate together. Right. And we had a kid together. But yeah, same thing. The guy came out and they were all, oh, and guys, guys that are there. Well, boyfriends, they get freaking pissed. That was in. I remember I had a Porsche, and I kind of seen when I had.

And I remember rolling up to the house. The trunk's in the front, so I opened, I get my bag, and for some reason, I left the trunk open. I put down the hood and stood open. I go down, it was in a basement. I go on the thing. I was by myself. I had already kind of, like, did my thing, so it was like maybe three years in. I change up

I give the lady the uh now this CDs we've graduated the CDs I give the lady to CD and I said when I hear the music I'll come out but she plays it I hear the music

I come out five minutes in I hear boom boom boom boom boom like I look over and the door in the basement the guy's kicking a door so hard that the bottom door is moving like that boom boom boom boom

and I'm like what the and I look at her I'm like I'm like okay and I keep dancing And boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm like, this fucking guy's going to break the door down. I was like, you're going to get rid of him or what? What's going on?

And his foot came through the door. And I said, oh, fuck this. I grabbed the hammer because I came out of the control. I grabbed the hammer. I grabbed the tools. And I was ready. And she goes, and in the basement, there's these little windows, right? Right.

So I opened the window. I grabbed my shit. I threw it out the window. I came out. Boom. The thing was open. The hood for the Porsche was open. I remember I left it open by mistake.

And I boom, put it in, and I was gone. I always get paid first. Money, boom, just in case. Yeah, it was, it was, and I had a lot of those. Like, I cracked in the back with a chair from a lady whose, whose niece was on the chair. And I was on top of her. I was like, what the hell? So it does have, you know, it's little, uh, a fallbacks.

Yeah, but. Some issues. For the most part, it was a good gig, man. You know, tax rate, of course, man. Then we graduate, you know, we, uh... When did you stop that? When I got locked up. Are you serious?

Yeah, man, it was... It was good. That was a, that's a long run. How old were you? And that was, uh, I started dancing at 17, but then I got, like, really serious about 2021, because when I mean really serious, it was like, I was buying official office. Yeah, right. I was getting the cop belt with fucking the gun, the pellet guns, and a stick and a real radio.

it wasn't on but it was a real radio you know I would go to the police uniform store right right and I'm buying official uniforms with patches and everything because I just now I get to the point where now it got to the point where I saw what I was doing and I was going

in phases right the first phase was the phase of oh it's shocking I want to look good because it's girls yeah right so that that was that phase lasted about three years, four years.

The following phase is the phase where I'm all about performance. I want to be the best performer. You know, it's about the outfits. It's about the music. It's about, you know, leaving an impression. I'm a professional. Yeah, one of those things. That's about another four years. And then the last

phase, it's like, it's all about the money. Yeah. Like now the last phase, you know, I have the company now, Mad Max Hunks. And so now I'm getting called, you know, hey, guys working for you? Yo, I, yeah, I was, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was sending, I had about maybe eight shows, so I would send eight guys out. I charge 175, give them 75 and keep 100. Every week?

Every weekend, yeah. Yeah, yeah, every weekend. So it was like, just on the weekends, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. So I would distribute those shows. They'd have to send me 100, the deposit, and then the pickup was theirs to keep. Okay. Right. So, you know, I wouldn't have a problem getting money.

Yeah, incentive for them to show up. Correct. And so, you know, sometimes, a lot of the times, because it was my reputation, I've been doing this for eight years as far, every time I would send somebody, they'd open the door and you're like, who are you? Yeah, we, we call Tony. We wanted Tony. And I remember one guy telling me, you know what the bitch told me? I'm like, what? She goes, she looks at me up and down, and she goes, you'll do.

Come on. I almost had a heart attack laughing. And, you know, it was, it was, I just. didn't tell them that I was an agency I would just send guys you know and I'm like yeah just tell her that I couldn't go ahead what are they going to do yeah yeah they're there for a purpose for a guy to get naked for someone who's getting married it's a birthday is a divorce whatever it is but uh you know that it went in phases but I particularly remember doing a show and I was uh I was Zorro I had Zorro productions I had the Zoro sword it said Zora inscription everything

boots had the hat the mask everything was a after the show a lady comes up to me and this was in a club she goes oh my god that was so real I was like I got an idea and I was like what's your idea she goes you should go

and get a Spider-Man outfit because the movie had just come I was like oh Spider-Man office she goes yeah I'm like okay what does Tony do he goes out and he goes downtown to where they have this do the Spider-Man shit so I went and I found

the spot where they did this found a spider outfit. So the guy says, yeah, we can, we can do the outfit for you, but we can't put any, any logo, you know, the spider and because all that's trademarked. Right. I'm like, all right, so how much is it going to? He says, $1,200. We'll do it for you and everything. So I went to go pick it up. It had two zippers from the neck to the shoulder and from the, the headpiece, from here, back. Then at the end of the headpiece, it had a loop. And you loop it here and loop here. And so he goes, okay, put it on. I put it on.

And he says, stand with your arms out. So now he starts with the airbrush etching abs on the outfit. And I'm like, this is how these guys look buffed on the movie theater. Like, all right. So what he didn't know was that I'm an artist too. I draw. So I went home. I bought a action figure of Spider-Man.

And I drew the spider on, you know, from phone board. Right. And I took it back and the guy sold it on for me. And so now I had that outfit. I go and do a Spider-Man show. And in the daytime, I started doing kids' parties at Spider-Man. So I'm so. I more than made the investment back.

And it was, in fact, like three years ago, I still had that offense. Three years ago, I gave it to one of my boys to use in my son's party as a marble party. I came out as Iron Man. I had a friend of the gym who came out as the Hulk. And he used the Spider-Man outfit that had. Boy, like 20, 30 years ago. Yeah, it was, it was cool. So, so how'd you end up getting in trouble?

How was it? How did you end up in prison? Man. I had a friend. It's always because of a friend, bro. It's always because of a friend. I had a friend, you know, he was one of my best friends. It was like a brother to me.

He was George. And, you know, he was, you know, he was the kind of guy always, you know, he was, you know, he was that guy, had the money, he had the Porsches, he had all, he had everything. You know, the thing is, he had everything that I saw that impressed me that I wanted, and I had everything that he wanted that impressed him. You know, I had the girls, I had the dancing, I had the clubs, all that kind of stuff. So we started hanging out. He would come to my shows with me. I would hang out with him. It was one of those relationships. We got really, really close. Then I had a house in Miami here that I had purchased

off of my uncle passed so I had to buy one of my cousins out and I purchased it so I had the house and he would come down here with me and he had he said hey Tony let me stay in this house and I will take care of the second apartment because they were renting so they would pay him the balance and he would send it to the mortgage company and I'd stay here and I'll just take care of the mortgage I was like all right you know I'll go to New York and any issues you just call me and I'll drive down and we'll fix whatever happens so fine

he was in one apartment he was collecting my rent from the other apartment he was paying the mortgage he was doing everything right one day shit one day uh i'm laying in bed it's about two a m and i get a call pick up the phone i'm like hello he goes tony i'm like yeah he goes it's george like what's up bro and he says bro i need your help i'm like what's up he goes i need you to come to miami like for what bro he goes bro something happened i need you to come pick me up i'm like pick you up don't take the fucking train or the plane or whatever he goes i can't they cut my credit cards i mean they they they froze my credit cards i can't get money i'm like for what i was like you know what the feds right right right i'm like i'm trying to figure

it out i'm like bro like well you fuck and so i'm like you know what we were that close i'm like all right you know what fuck i'll give me fucking i don't know 15 20 16 i'll be over there so i hung up i had a dog i had a rottweiler and i was like fuck man I got up, got dressed. You know, you don't have friends like this nowadays, you know? Got in my car and started my drive to Miami. 16, 17 hours later, I didn't stop. I got here.

And he says, meet me at this place. So I met him. He gets in the car. I'm like, bro, what's up? He goes, let's drive. I'll tell you on the way back. I turn around, I guess up. We're on the way back.

And he starts to tell me the story. He says, bro, I came up here. This guy from Orlando owed me, money and he calls me and says hey come pick up your money he goes all right he owed me thirty thousand dollars so i go to pick up my money when i pull up i get out of the car the guy that owes me the money is leaning on his car facing away from me now the guy had a big you know how they back in the day they used to wear those jerseys really big and baggy uh basketball jerseys he goes he had a basketball jersey on and i went

behind him and when I called his name and he turned around I guess he didn't, it wasn't expecting me so early he turned around and he went under his shirt to grab a pistol and the pistol got caught in the jersey and when I saw that I rushed on top of him

and grabbed the pistol and I was so angry I pulled the pistol out and I pistol whipped him on the head he falls on the floor I kept hitting him in the head with the pistol and then dragged them into his music studio apparently the guy did music he was a producer and he had a music studio. In the studio, I continued a pistol with him because I was so angry. And at one point, the guy tried to block the gun and the gun went off and hit the kid on

the shoulder. The kid started bleeding. He was pleading. Please let me go to the hospital. Let me go to the hospital. So my friend was scared. And he said, I let him go to the hospital. A few days later, my friend reads in the paper that the kid died. Now, the wife of the the guy who died, knew that he was meeting up with George. She told the cops, now he's wanted for him. Yes. And so he's telling me all this, and I'm like, what the hell? And I still don't know why the money was owed or whatever.

I never knew him as what came out later on that he was a drug kingpin. I never knew him as that. Did you know he was a drug dealer at all? No, I knew because when I knew him, he had all these cars. I thought it was buying and selling cars. Oh, okay. And when he was up here, he used to tell me, I got to go to the dealer in Tampa. I got to go to a dealer in Orlando.

I got to go to a car thing. Well, I've done a few drug dealers. And a lot of them do. They actually do, they'll do that on the side. Like, not enough to make a living, but they do it kind of a cover, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And they probably like to do it. You know, it's fun, I'm sure.

Yeah, I mean, should be something. Being a drug dealer is not a full-time job. No, it's not. You got to do something. Like buying an whole car, cleaning it up, setting it, selling it, make $500 or $100,000. That's probably fun. Just add it to the pile. Yeah.

So we're driving and I'm just like, I ran out of questions to ask because I was just in shock. We get home and I said, bro, you can stay here in my crib, bro. Here's a spare key. You know, my house is your house, man. I'll be in the office tomorrow. I had a real estate office. I became a broker, a real estate broker. And he was in my home.

And so when I was in the office, I would call. I say, hey, yo, I get out at 4 o'clock. I'm going to head home, you know, whatever. And then we'll go to, we'll go to Acapulco. It was a local spot that we used to go have some drinks and that kind of shit. So we would do that every night. We were doing that every night for two weeks. So one day, I go to the office.

I'm writing some deals up and then I hear we're knocking the door. Now, my office, I have an office. The door is glass. Then there's a corridor going up. You have to go upstairs. And then there's another glass door to go to exit out. So I'm kind of like in a basement office. office. I hear a knock on the door and I see an arm through the glass. I'm like, who the

fuck is this? Somebody's knocking and then I'm like, yeah. And then he walks like this and I see that it's like a blue jacket. And he turns and I look at him and he opens the door and then eight, seven more guys come in. And I'm like, what the fuck? He goes, uh, yeah, we're looking for George Robles. And I'm like, no, he doesn't work here. This is not his place. There's no George Robles here and he goes no I said no he goes is this a real estate office I say yeah he goes well what do you do here I'm like we sell houses yeah yeah yeah and he goes yeah I know you sell houses I'm like so why are you asking me that question he goes because you have your sign on George Robles his house George had asked me to sell his house to try to liquidate because all his stuff

yeah yeah locked up and so I said uh yeah that this is what we do we sell houses And he goes, so how did you put a sign on George's house if you don't know where he's at? I said, they're listed the house. Yeah, because his mother gave me the key to get to list the house. And he goes, really? You haven't seen him? I was, no, I haven't seen him. He goes, so why is his name written right here on your desk?

And yeah, yeah. And I said, well, I had to know his name to turn off the FPL, the Con Ed. That's what they call New York. The lights. And he goes, really? and then some big goon guy that came from behind. He came up to me. He picked me up off my chair, bang me on the wall.

All my certificates and all that shit falls on the floor. He goes, listen, you fucking punk. We know you know where he's at, and you're going to fucking take the fall for this. You better fucking tell us what he's at. Or your friend is going to die. And I say, oh, he ain't going to fucking, he's not going to die because you're not going to find him because I don't know where he's at. All right.

And the other guy pulled him back. He put me down. and then he, the other kid goes, look. Good cat, good, bad cop, that shit. Okay, so you're the good guy. Okay. He goes, look, we don't want you. We just want him.

Just give us, you know, your guy, and you can go away. You can, you know, we don't, we're not interested in you. Look, we know you have a Porsche. We know you have a house in contract. We know you have a pretty little blonde girlfriend. I'm like, what does I have to do with anything? He goes, because we didn't watching you. And I'm like, and did you see George?

She goes, no, that's why we're looking for him? So, so how do you, why do you think he's with me? And so, look, I said, look, I don't know where he's at. I'm not going to, if I know where he's at, I'm not going to let you know. So go find him. I don't know where he's at all the while he's in my house. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I'm not a good situation.

No, it's not. There's some bad decisions on your part, by the way. But, you know, my dad always told me, never rat on your fucking friends. The old story, right? Don't fucking ride on your friends. That's not what we do, blah, blah. So I said, I don't know what the fuck is out. But I'm with you.

I hear you. You better start picking better friends then. Because this guy's going to get you in. 100%. 100%. And so I said, fine. And then I stood there and they all marched out. Now I'm sitting at my desk. I'm like, what the fuck just happened? And I had to remember how to clock there. And it seemed like fucking 20 months. I'm just looking at that clock and I'm watching the secondhand go. Tick, tick, tick. And I didn't want to go out because I didn't know if they were going to follow me home. I don't want my guy to get caught. And so I'm just watching the fucking clock. And it seemed like from not daytime turn tonight, me sitting there. watching this clock and finally four hours later it was eight o'clock and i fucking said it's got to be dark out so i come out grab my shit come out woke up the stairs look through the glass door now i'm looking to see if there's any cars parked with their lights on if there's any people in any of the cars in the neighborhood and i saw it pretty clear so i opened the door turned around locked it

looked to my left look to my right and i got in my car now i mean i have a 9-11 was a pretty fast car so i I said, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to make a U-turn. I'm going to go down the Bruckner, and then I'm going to go down Pennefield Avenue. Pennefield Avenue is a long stretch of road with no lights. And at the end of it, there's a college called Maritime College. It's like a Navy college.

And so you go around, and the only way out is make a U-turn and go back. I said, I'm going to go right through there. If I see lights behind me, I know they're following me. So that's what I did. 80, 90 miles an hour down, Brooklyn. And I went through Pennyfield Avenue, and I sped down there and I turned around and I sat there and I shut my lights off

and I waited. I waited about 40 minutes. Didn't see a car come through. I'm like, I'm good, I think. And no following them. I took back off and I headed home. When I got home, I knocked on the door and I see the door creep open. I'm like, bro, and I pushed the door.

I'm like, what the fuck did you do? Because he didn't tell me what he did. He just told me what happened about the money. Right. And he goes, what the fuck did you do? He goes, what? I was like, bro, D-E-A, FBI, fugitive taskport and NYPD were fucking in my office, throwing me up against the fucking wall, seeing you were a drug kingpin. What the fuck are they talking about?

He goes, bro, do me a favor. I didn't realize that he didn't unpack his bag. It was by the door. Okay. And he grabbed his bag and he went to the corridor to the hallway. And I was like, bro, what did you do? He goes, bro, just take care of my son. And he bolts off.

He bolted it up. Now, in the projects, I was living in the projects. There's two stairways. One leads to the front and one leads to the back. He was going down to the front. And I was like, bro, don't go out that way because if you go through the front and they follow me, they're going to get you. Go out that way. That leads to the back and you can fucking bounce.

So he went through the back and that was it. I didn't see him or hear from him, maybe about four weeks, five weeks later. I'm in the neighborhood and I pick up my nephew to go do a job. I was putting a cable. I was running cable for a next girlfriend of mine. And so I was putting cable in her house, and I get a call. And I said, hello, really running cable. Yeah, I was running.

Wire. And I get a call. And he goes, hello? I'm like, yeah, what was this? He goes, it's me. I'm like, who? Which is me, George? I'm like, George, what the fuck?

What? Where are you, bro? And he goes, bro, I'm not going to tell you because I don't want to get you involved. I'm already fucking involved, man. I got fucking. cops fucking watching me right now. I've, you know, just tell me what happened, bro, what did you do? Talk to me.

And he goes, uh, I just need 30,000. I mean, I just need money. He goes, I need money. I'm like, but I don't have no money. And he goes, okay, no, here, somebody owes me $30,000. I'm like, okay. And he goes, I need you to meet the guy, pick it up for me. And then I'll tell you where to take it.

And I'll just drop it off and then they'll bring it to me. I'm like, bro. He goes, please, bro, I have nobody else. So, I mean, you know, he was like my brother. You know, you kind of like fucking feel bad. And I'm like, all right, give me the number. So I take the number down. I was like, call me back later.

He goes, I call you later. Hang up. And I call the number and I'm like, yo, can I speak to so-and-so? He goes, his name is Harris. Can I speak to Harris? And he goes, yeah, it's me. I'm like, listen, I'm calling about George. He says, you got money for him?

He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, man, do me a favor. but meet me at this place at this time. I'm like, all right, it's 7 p.m. I'm like, all right, I'll see you there. So I'm with my nephew. Nephew's like 16 at the time. And I'm like, yo, Jay, let's go.

And he goes, where are we going? I'm like, I got to go meet somebody. And then we'll go home. And he goes, okay. So I get in a car. I go to, it was in the Brookner Plaza where it was opposed to me. I drive to the Brookner Plaza.

I roll in and I see a silver Mercedes. And so the Mercedes is parked here. I roll in head on. and I parked door to door. And I roll the window down and he rolls the window down. And I look and he goes, George. And I'm like, yeah, for George. And he goes, yeah, come on.

And so I open a door. But before I open a door, I tell my nephew, Jay, here's the license plate. Here's the phone number for the guy. If anything happens to me, tell your mother that I'm sorry to get you involved. But this is the guy that did what he did. I was ready for anything. So I got out the car, get in his car, passenger seat. And I close the door and he looks at me.

He goes, what's up? I'm like, what's up? And he goes, bro, I know you from somewhere. I'm like, no, you don't. You got the money? And he goes, no, I know you from somewhere. I was like, nah, man, I don't know you. And, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, man.

I know you, I know you are Zorro in my cousin's wedding. I say, oh, my God. I try to hold it in, but I couldn't. I'm like, what are the fucking chances? This fucking guy, I recognize me. And I'm like, oh, yeah, man, that was a long time ago. He goes, yeah, that was long ago. Fuck, I knew I knew you.

I was like, yeah, that was a while ago. Yeah. And I remember, the thing is, I remembered the address. It was on Black Rock Avenue. Right. I was like, holy shit. I was like, look, man, just, you got the money. I got to get out of it.

He goes, no, man, you know, my boy's supposed to come. and drop it off. I'm like, bro, somebody else now? What the fuck? I thought you had the money. He goes, no, man, so where's George? And I'm like, bro, I don't know where George is. And if I knew I wasn't going to tell anybody, the fucking cops wanted George and I wasn't giving it to him and he was in my house. So stop.

No, no ask me no more. He goes, all right, man, I'm going to call this guy. You know what? I'll have him drop it off. I'll call you when he gets here. I'm like, bro. Why did I come here? Exactly. So I opened the door, closed the door, got in my truck. I'm driving and I'm replaying the whole thing in my mind. So I'm on the highway and I'm re-playing it and I'm like, fuck, Jay. He goes, wow. I'm like, this shit doesn't make sense. I came to get money for this guy. The guy didn't have the fucking money. He got away from

somebody else. Why didn't he call the other guy to meet him here? And so all this is going on my head. And in the thought of all that, I look up and I'm almost missing the exit. And so I look back, I cut all the way across the fourth lane. And when I look back to see everything is clear, another car did the same thing. and I'm like oh shit he goes what happened like I think somebody's following us man is your cousin you tell your cousin my cousin yeah my nephew nephews and he's like why I'm like bro I just cut over a car did the same thing exact same thing it wasn't like from lane one to two it was from four to one I get out I said all right I'm gonna make a right another right a left

and a right and stop in front of the liquor store we'll get a bottle we'll go home he goes okay bro and I'm like fuck this guy made it right bro he made a left He made it right, bro. Jay, I think he's following us. And sure enough, when I pulled up in front of the liquor store, a green Cherokee parks, blocks my car, my car, and all four doors open up, guns out, pointing the gun at the car. Get the fuck out of the car. Get out the car. And I'm like, what the fuck? I mean, I was eating a piece of grilled chicken. And I went like this, and the chicken stood in my mouth. He opened my door. I got out of the car with the chicken. And the big dude was there. He was, I told you I was going to get you, you fucking asshole, just like that.

And I was like, this. So they take me downtown. I think it was a DA's office. They arrest my nephew. And we're there, and the guy was like, you're going to tell me where George is? I'm like, do me a favor. I'll tell you everything I know. Let my nephew go.

He has nothing to do with this. He was let your nephew, you know? Let your nephew go? I'm like, yeah, the nephew, I'll talk to you. They let my nephew go. They give him the key to my Benz. He's 16. He doesn't have a license.

He doesn't know what the fuck they do. do he never driven a car later on from what i heard from what he told me he goes bro i put the key in the car and i just like the video game i drove through the corner and i just called barbie barby and my sister and i told them come pick me up and what happened to you so i go we're going back now and uh the guy says all right come out and i come out they put me in the room he goes so now tell us we let your nephew go tell us where george is i'm like i'm telling you everything i know i don't know where george is all right and he goes you fucking asshole i'm like i don't know know where he's at. You want me to tell you the truth. If you want to go to my house, he's not there.

I don't know where he's at, guy. I said, and if I did know, I wouldn't tell you. You asked me to tell you everything I know. That's all I know. And they were pissed. So I said, you know what? Just call my attorney. Now, when I was with George coming back from Miami, he goes, bro, if anything happens to me, here's my attorney. And I remembered the name. His name was Tommy Lee, Thomas Lee, Morris Parker. I called Thomas Lee He shows up there About an hour later He goes listen

Don't say anything I'm gonna get you out of here He gets me out I go to his office the next day The first thing Tommy tells me is Listen If you're gonna rat I can't take your case

I said bro I called you because I'm not a rat Number one number two You would be out of this already If you were ready to fucking walk right They took him He gave me your car to call you Should anything happen

to him, but it's happening to me, so I need you to help me if you can. He goes, okay, I just want to let you know. I don't deal with rats. I'm like, I'm not a rat. Fine. He goes, this is the price. Fine. I give him the money, and he starts to do his work. What have you been arrested for, by the way? Nothing. Not cooperating with the authorities. I don't, I'm not obligated to even if I know, even if I know Colby's going to rob a bank tomorrow, I'm not obligated to tell anybody about it. That's what I thought. Get ready for this. I have one question real quick So when he told you the whole story

Did he told you that the dude accidentally shot himself? No, he didn't tell me that whole thing Yeah, yeah, yeah, you found that out after the fact Yeah, yeah, I found that after So you just know some guy owed him 30,000 He's in trouble Yeah, yeah, exactly And I went down because that's my brother

For me, that's my brother So I can go down, no questions, ask Oh, I thought you knew he had shot somebody And the guy No, on the way down On the way down, on the way down, back to New York He told me the whole. story. Oh, yeah. So he did tell you

that point. So yeah, he told me this is what happened. Oh, okay. So he did. And he says, he called me because when I found that out in the papers, the wife told the cops that it was him because he was only meeting with me. So that's harboring a fugitive. So they kind of have you for harboring a fugitive. But here's what the charge was. Now, I'm in my attorney's office and I'm like, why are they arresting me? He goes, let's listen to the tapes.

They had a discovery on one of the tapes was the conversation that I had with the guy the car was wired the guy was an informant they caught him with kilos and now he was working with the cops to try and get George to try and get George and you had said you had lied to a federal

agent yes I said he was with me when they wanted him and I was not giving him up and that and so the charge was lying to a federal agent I'm like that's not a fucking charge and he goes yeah it's a serious charge it's a serious charge because my niece it's a police officer

office in New York. And when I told her the story, she didn't believe me. So then she called me and apologized and said, Tony, I'm sorry. I'm going here. I'm like, for what? She goes, because I didn't believe you that that was a charge, but I looked it up and it is a charge. I'm like, why would I lie, Lil? That's what the, that's what the paper says, lying to a federal agent. And because it had to do with drugs, they put me a conspiracy charge for one kilo of and so now they wanted to run five years and five years

which is 10 so my attorney was like you want to take the 10 years or I can see if they can I can talk to them see if they can burn concurrent and I said bro do what you can bro but he goes we can go to trial

look well at this point I'm sorry I'm sorry but at this point you're not even in a position to cooperate you don't know where this guy is I don't your opportunity to clear yourself of all of this is way gone. Yes, absolutely. And so he goes, look, we can go to trial. You're a clean-cut guy. You own a business.

You never been in trouble. You don't have any violence. You just, you're clean. And you got maybe like a 50, maybe 60% chance that you walk out of there, not guilty. I was like, I am not taking any chances with this fucking type of bullshit. Because there's still a 40% chance that I can go away for 10 years. If I'm guilty, I'll get the 10. If I cooperate right, I mean, if I take this plea,

it's five because it's five on top of five I was like I'll go in tomorrow do the deal yeah that's the smart move so I did the deal

I always say if you're if you're guilty you're 100% getting found guilty if you're innocent you got about a 50% CSB and you're guilty

like the end they have and it's not like it's it's not like it's just a federal agent or an informant on the stand saying yeah this is what he said no you you got a tape

you know what I said it's on tape you don't have a prayer 100% but you're now in a position where I would think that they wouldn't be that upset with you because it's like, listen, I did not realize that I was breaking the law, which is irrelevant because ignorance of the law is no excuse.

But two, you know, you know, had I known then what I know now, I certainly would not have lied about it. But at this point, it's too late for even if I wanted to cooperate or whatever, whether you want to or not at this point, I'm not a position. position to cooperate. So it's kind of like giving you the 10 years is that asshole move on their part. It's like he didn't know. Really the right thing to do is to, to me is like he didn't know, but that's not how it works. Absolutely not. And they were like, you know, when they want it, I remember he, Tommy goes, because he was on the phone with the prosecutor. And I'm like, bro, can we just,

can we, can we work on something? And the prosecutor said very loudly on the phone, he goes, no, fuck your client when we want our guy he had him and he didn't give him to us so fuck him just like that I was like they can talk like that what the fuck I'm so fucking pissed so was there you know back let's rewind in a hypothetical situation

so you're in a situation like that like and the guy tells you I just did this as you were driving back to New York like is that when you are considered breaking the law like what could you do then no because that's just information I think the

Breaking the law part was when the cops said, hey, where is he? And he was in my house. And I said, I don't know. Yeah, that's hard. That's more of the, to me, that's hard. Well, that and I mean, I think they could make the argument for you gave him lodging. You said you can come to my house and you can stay. Where the truth is, you could have what you, they would have said for you to do.

Because, of course, I'm going 75 miles an hour. He says it. What am I supposed to do? Boom, kick you out of the fucking, like, I can't do that. Like, I'm going to take him all the way back because I was going anyway. So I'm going to stop. And then when he says, hey, man, I'm going to stay at your place. Then it's going to be like, listen, bro, I can't do that.

I will drop you off somewhere. You know, but that's the best I can do. Right. And if I'm, if I'm asked about you, you know, like, I'm just going to not say anything. Because the moment they say, do you know where he is? You know, because you don't really know where he is. Right. But the truth is, they could make the argument is, you drop them off somewhere.

So you kind of know where he is. You know where you drop them off. But the truth is you're better off to say, listen, bro, I just don't want to talk. I don't want to answer any questions. But the moment you said, look, you can stay at my place. And then if you, like, buy him a meal, if you start contributing towards his, you know, went out to eat with him, you brought him somewhere to eat. Like, you are, you're at a roof over his head, you're feeding him, you're, you're moving him. You're harboring a fugitive.

And you're lying to the people looking for him. You're harboring him. Yep. Like, yeah, that's, that answers. I was kind of learning when the line is crossed. I'm surprised that harboring a fugitive wasn't the charge and the real charge was lying to a federation. Because that's such a lock. They gave that Martha Stewart the same thing.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I know lots of guys that are in prison for lying to. Like, they didn't get him for the Ponzi steam. They didn't get him for the bank fraud. They didn't get, usually they'll drop all that shit because this is such a lock. Right. We have you on tape. And there were two officers, and you lied.

Both the officers with stellar records are going to get on the stand. They're going to say, this is what he did. And here's the tape. And your defense is nothing. Right. Absolutely did that. You're caught, you're caught. Yeah.

And it's a serious charge because it's five years. Mm-hmm. So it's not like it's two years. No. Fuck that. It's like a mandatory minimum. Yeah. I remember being an MCC in Manhattan.

So you were going to, you played the 10? You were going to play the 10? No, I took the deal for five. Oh, I thought when he said, fuck your client. No, no. When he said, he said that when he said, look, can we get less than five? Can we, you know, can we like try to like, let's work something out. We can get probation, that, that, he was trying to like,

He said, fuck that. He said, fuck your client. I thought he was, wouldn't even do the five on five. No, no, he did the five on five, you know. And then my, my attorney, he fought to try to get me to the drug program. And I got into the drug program, so I got a little bit of time off. But, uh, I did want to me fucking, they said, look, you can turn around today. And if you find him, all of a sudden he pops into your head, you know where he's at?

And you tell us, yeah, you don't have to do this. That's, yeah. You get probation. You got a year to your probation. Can't help you. And so they gave me the fight years. But ironically, I'm making some phone calls.

I'm following, George. I was in MCC on Pearl Street. And I met one of the guys on my unit was Vinnie Basiano.

So we're talking and shit because I know when I got out, I got a job at Fusion Fitness, which is a gym right on Throg's neck in Tremont Avenue, where he's from.

And so I knew his son, he was next door. He had like an icy shop type of stuff. And it was cool. Everything was good. And so when I got there, you know, we were talking and we were bullshit and and maybe I would say four weeks in, they pull them out. They're like, Bossiano out. I'm like, okay.

So I would get the newspaper every day. And I got the newspaper that morning. And I opened the newspaper. And on the front page. is my attorney. My attorney was Vinny's attorney. And my attorney got caught with messaging, getting orders to have somebody killed.

So my attorney. How long goes this? 10 years ago? I was there in 2004, 2005, 2004. Thomas Lee. shoot what what uh hold on let me oh man so thomas lee ends up going to witness protection pro he loses his license he fucking the whole shit so now i'm i don't have an attorney was was this him no no oh okay no that's not him okay well this is another attorney listen apparently these

fucking these new jersey uh um fucking uh criminal defense attorneys like this guy i this guy actually was ordering murders he was ordering murders and shit this is a what was it was a defense attorney that when they were, these guys, gang members are going to trial. And he's like, look, we're going to trial, boom. He's like, listen, but, you know, if Jimmy doesn't testify, there's no case. Right. And so he's basically telling them, you need to kill Jimmy. So this, he's doing this a lot.

And apparently they get him. And then all the gang members roll over on him. That's insane. Wire up. They get the lawyer to talk about the. Yeah. So my lawyer, my attorney turned out to be arrest. he asked me not to be right of course that that and keep in mind think about the credibility when he says look

if you're going to cooperate i can't take your case you'd immediately think he's absolutely against this yeah so he's solid not first of all nobody thinks they're going to turn he's going to be cooperating anyway right why was he cooperating though what would they have on him to get him to cooperate because basiano had told him something about that somebody had to go and he knew very similar yeah similar i don't know the conversation but it came out in the paper you know that it was in the New York Post it came out in the paper and I kind of forgot the gist of it but it had to do with that subject

and so they grabbed the attorney and they arrested him and they said yo you have to do this and that or if not you know wits it and they put him in a witness protection and they gave me new identity they moved them out they did all kinds of shit I'm like what might have been in there with Jim with

with uh with uh jean Barre probably Gene probably knows him yeah I'm well if if if Gene was Vinnie's where they were because it was the same banana crime family was the same thing

Gene's got to know he's got to know Tommy Lee and what he did Gene's good for some more stories right he's probably he's hiding some he's probably has some stories he didn't know about he didn't even think about he's like oh yeah

remember I'm comfortable to think of it yeah yeah um I have a question real quick so at this time you being locked up George is still he's free he's free I bought George

another four and a half years freedom and he hadn't even send me a dime for commissary I told you listen I always say that I always say that like guys will not tell on somebody

they'll not cooperate and they'll that person doesn't send them a fucking dime doesn't stay in touch with them and then when those people get caught they turn on them I mean we're boys I love you like my brother

send me a dollar so I could buy a bag of fish dog I mean did he stay do you know that did he stay in New York area he went he went out of the country how that happened.

I think he went he didn't take a plane he went through illegal you know oh in a van and a truck somewhere to cross the frontier whatever the fuck

but he was gone right and so the biggest fucking mistake he made was coming back in right

he wanted to be in the US so bad that he was good he was out whatever the fuck I think it was in

Colombia or I don't know where the fuck it was but you know know how he got caught he moved all his shit from where he was he bought a house and the delivery guys were the feds the furniture delivery people were the ones that fucking got him so well i mean obviously they had they must have gotten through somebody they knew he was coming back to the united

right and i don't know maybe it was maybe it was a paperwork he filled out maybe the alias he had was burned i don't know how they found out where did he when he left the country do you know where he went it was either in columbia or maybe Mexico because I know he had a Colombian girlfriend when we were hanging out his girlfriend was Columbia right so I don't know if they made some type of you know arrangements for her people brought him back

I don't know how it worked or even if that was where he's at but it's the only that's the only place I could think of I mean that he knew somebody so he comes back so you were locked up where you still locked up when he came when he got caught yes i was locked up when he got caught yeah yeah yeah i was locked up in fact i was i had four months to go before i found out he was locked and then they caught him okay so i was i remember they gave me they gave me notice they said Torres um i think they said

120 days i'm like and i already knew so then my i don't know who i called but i called and said hey they caught george i'm like what he let himself get caught how the fuck do you do that like you're free you know and they caught him and they gave him life they gave him life did he go to trial uh he must have got a trial right he had to have gone yeah he he blew trial i think yeah because i mean yeah there's no way he don't do there's no way you don't go to trial if you're burnt already and you know you're fucking guilty and they know you're guilty i'm gonna take my chance of going to trial. So he must have went to trial. All right. Yeah. Well, I was going to say you're not pleading guilt. Nobody's pleading guilty

to a life sentence. Right. So you had to have gone to trial. Like there's, okay, give me life. Yeah. No, I'll go to trial. I got a chance of not getting 20 years. At least I can tell my side of the story. Right. And so like, remember, I always remember that when he left my house that day, he said, take care of my son. I have a relationship with his son. Okay. His son is a New York State trooper. Whoa. Yeah. And, you know, since he was a kid, you know, since he was a baby. I remember holding him my arms with George in front of me, you know. And so the kids, like, I feel like he's like my son. And he texts me, you know, from time to time, Uncle Tony.

I want to go to Florida. I'm like, come down. Come stay with me. I don't give a shit. Stay with me. But I remember distinctly being in New York upstate, his father was already locked up. And he was younger and he says, he says, what happened with you and my dad? And I sat down.

was one of those, you know, conversations you, you knew one day would come, but you didn't know how you would handle it. And so I just, I said, look, what did he tell you? And he was like, no, he just told me that, you know, he doesn't talk to you. And I'm like, well, here's what happened. You know, I love your dad. He's like, my brother. I still love your dad. And that doesn't go away. You know, the situation's messed up. But here's what he did. And here's what I did. And I tried and I hit him. And I, you know, I didn't want him to go away. I love your dad. Like, He was my brother. And then, but this is what happened.

And, and he understood and, you know, he hugged me and great kid. And, you know, I love the kid to death, man. So, all right, so you, well, let's go back to you, you went to prison. What, I mean, what was that just like? Like, you just kind of, like, what was it, minimum security? Yeah, it was minimum. I went to Allenwood. Was that a camp?

That was a camp. Did you go straight to a camp? I went straight to a camp. See, that only happens up there. Like in Florida, you go to a low. Then you go to a camp. No, I went straight to a camp, I guess, because of my level. Yeah, but even in Florida, in this district down here, no matter what, you're, they send,

everybody's going to a low. Then you'll go to a camp. Well, usually they immediately put you in. They're like, you shouldn't even be here. Right. But like if you're in California, you're going to go straight to a camp. If you're in up north, you're going to go straight to a camp. For some reason, in this district, in this area, like in the Florida, Georgia,

South Carolina, they'll send you straight to a low. I don't know what, but I'm sorry. Yeah, no, I went to a camp called Allenwood and it was cool, but again, it was away from your family, it was weird from everybody, so you're feeling, you're feeling the, you know, the segregation

from everybody out of the world. Everything is limited, like you do and say what you're told, and that's it. If not, you're not going to, you know, read whatever the fuck they got for you. But at some point, I think it was maybe like six months in or a year in, they closed the camp. And so they sent me to a medium,

Allenwood medium, because Allenwood has all levels. Camp, low, medium. And so they put me in a medium for about six months. And, you know, that was worse, you know? Yeah. But it was good in the sense that everybody that was in a camp with me went to the medium. So, you know, there was familiarity there. And then six months after that, they sent me to Lewisburg. now the only thing I know of

Louisburg is that's a fucking that's what murderers are at what the fuck are they putting me in this place for that's into the camp yes but but in the beginning they put me in the hole because they have beds so I was in the hole for like

I don't know two or three weeks I can't tell days from the nights there and you're rolling up and you're looking at the building and I'm like this shit looks like Shawshank Redemption

what the fuck it's going to happen now and so you know fear the unknown right you go in there you're like hearing the gates you're hearing all kind of shit the keys and it's like what you see in the movies you know but after about two or three weeks they call my name they pull me out and they send me to the low to the camp which is maybe like a half a mile down um and then in a camp it's like uh you're living in uh you know those uh stainless steel uh kind of like a barns The really big ones, those man-made things. No insulation.

It's just metal fucking with beds. I'm like, wow, this is like a concentration camp. This is fucked. So in the winter, that metal gets cold and you're fucking trying to steal somebody's covers. But, you know, it is what it is. You know, I learned a lot of stuff going to prison. And sometimes I say, fuck, man, you know,

I was better there than out because of all the stuff you learn there. You learn more in there than you do outside. because you're fucking in there doing nothing. You have no choice but to pick up a book, learn how to do shit and, uh, you know, do something with your time. You can either piss it away or become something out of it.

Plus at a camp, you're around people. You would never be around before. Like there's, there's doctors. There's lawyers. There's like there's, there's,

you'll be next to a guy who's a billionaire. Right. Correct. You're like, this guy owned four banks. And most of them were. Yeah. And so you're like,

you know, so you have a chance to mingle with guys that, you know, that you would never talk to before. And the thing is, they all have a plan of what the fuck they're gonna do when they get out. Oh, I got this, I got that, but everybody, everybody's got everything when they're inside. But when you look in the commissary,

everybody's got $250 bucks. You can't get them more, no less, no matter how rich you are, right? And so I guess that they fucking even out the playing field there. I used to say it's a great equalizer. Yeah, it puts everybody at an even level. No matter how much money you have, you can only live,

even if you're putting money on other guys' books and this guy's cleaning my room and this guy's doing this and he's making my meals in the end you're just not doing that much better than me right you know it's the same like maybe you don't have to make your own bed right but you're still sleeping in that fucking bed

you know that's right we still when we run out of money we can't go no more yeah that's it's $2.50 and so you know the good thing is you know I learned how to play the piano in prison there was an inmate there who was a pianist and he was skinny and he was like can you train me

I'll train you teach me how to play that fucking thing right there. And we had an arrangement. It was amazing, you know, to learn a craft there. And remember toward the end, the counselor calls me on the system and called me to her office. She goes,

you know, you've been a great inmate. You don't cause problems. You do your work. Everything is good. You know, you make your fucking 12 cents an hour. The fuck they were paying you. And we want to give you an opportunity to succeed outside. So we're willing to pay for your school. get the, get out of here.

Do you have something you want to do? I've never seen that. I don't know who that counselor was. Do you want what you'd want to do? And I said, at that time, I was sitting in the TV room watching the fucking food network all day. Right. So I said, yeah, I want to be a chef. I want to go to culinary school.

They paid $40,000 for my culinary school. I graduated with a culinary degree when I left prison. New York Culinary Academy downtown, the Lansing Street. Wow. 40 grand. I was like, what the fuck? so I got that out of it you know and you know if you're good I always say if you're if you're an alpha male and you're in your self-sufficient industry wherever you go that's where you're

going to be so I was in there and I was I was selling shit I was I learned how to crochet and I was selling teddy bears for fucking you know 40 max and diet coke's and all kind of stuff and I would make scarves and and that was worth 40 bucks however there was in stamps and so you make your money yeah there are guys in there that had wood runs stores, they'd have like a store in each unit. They're sitting 12, 1,500 bucks a month home. Home, yeah. And when I say a store, it means like you have a in your locker, you're buying commissary that you keep in your locker or and other guy's lockers. So if, if it's nine o'clock at night and I'm hungry and I don't have it, I can go to this store man and say, yo, bro, can I get

some chips? And they go, yeah. And then they give you some chips and they write it down. And you owe them the chips back. Plus. Maybe it maybe it's another back, two bags of chips. Or you might owe a bag of chips and a half. Like if the chips are $2, you now owe them $3. Right. And then when commissary comes around, they give you a list. Because throughout the week, you run up a bill. And then they're like, look, you owe me $15 worth of stuff.

And then write out a commissary list, bring me this stuff. And you bring them that stuff. So it's a great gig if people pay. Right. But yeah, yeah, their guys are making so much money, they're sending money back. It's crazy. You know what I realized, too, that you learn how to live on $250 a month. Yeah, you, yeah.

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like I taught the real estate class, or you teach GED, and those jobs are blessings, because that makes your time go fast. Yeah, oh yeah. I remember, I can't say I had a bad time there, you know, And the reason why is because when you walk and there's always a main guy, right? Who's the guy? Yeah. And so in my case, this guy's name was Carrie. And I remember going in there and being there a few days, and I would see him alone, but I would see people go to him and then leave, go to him and then leave.

You know, very observant. And I remember one day he goes, he goes, yo, Jorge. and I look back Like I know this guy's not talking I mean because my name's not Jorge Right And then he goes Jorge And I look back again

And I look at him He goes yeah you Jorge I'm like no no My name's Tony Because no no Your name's Jorge I'm like

And so I walk over to him I'm like what do you mean My name is Jorge He goes yeah you look like a Jorge So I'm gonna call you Jorge I'm like all right No problem And I shook his hand

I was like I'll be Jorge And I walk away he goes come here and I go over he goes I got a job tomorrow in the gym and I'm like doing what he goes I'm there I'm putting I'm laying roof on the gym I'm like all right he goes you want to you want to do it with me I'm like yeah yeah okay so he goes to the counselor he tells the council something and then now I'm with him on this detail and so we started hanging out he turned out to be a pretty cool guy we started hanging out and then it was like I was his robin to the batman right he was the guy everybody would go to the cop will call him

he'd go to the bubble which is the mail room and he would help the cop distribute the mail and then i'd see him go to the kitchen i'm like the kitchen's closed the fuck this guy don't he would go to the kitchen he had he had the pull he had the run of the place he had the run of the place and so i remember being next to the door one day and the cop asked him who should we give this bed to who should we give this bed to who should we give this bed to and he was like yo give him this bed I get this guy, this guy, so he was, it seemed to me like he was calling all the shots. Was he, was he like the head orderly? No, but he was, he would do stuff, but it wasn't like, I didn't know what the fuck he did.

I just know he was always around. And so by, you know, by default, I was, I was the, the, the, the fucking psychic. And so one day, I remember coming down and I saw on the, on the floor, I was, I was. I saw a little, like a, like, it was like a kind of a circle. And I go in a circle, I'm like, yeah, what's up, guys? What's going on? He goes, Carrie got into a problem. He's in the hole.

I'm like, what the fuck happened? They said, well, he beat this guy down and the guy was bleeding on the skull. Apparently he cracked the skull or some shit. And I'm like, no fucking way. So I'm like, what the fuck? And then I go to my bunk. I'm sitting in my bunk. And now I got a guy coming to me.

He says, he goes, um, because now everybody thinks I'm Jorge. He goes, yo, Jorge. I'm like, what? He goes, he goes, yo, the laundry guy, you think the laundry guy could do this thing for me?

And I'm like, I don't fucking, like, I don't know. He goes, well, I know, you know what, let me speak to the laundry guy. So I go to the laundry guy.

I'm like, hey, this guy. And so now, by default, I became the Jorge. So then the cop knew I was hanging out. And the cop says, Torres, bubble. And I go to the bubble. I'm like, what the fuck? Nobody gets called to the bubble unless they're in trouble.

Yeah. I'm like, what the fuck did I do? So I go to the bubble and I go and I'm like, yeah, what's up? And he goes, you're going to help me with the mail? I'm like, oh, okay. So I start distributing the mail. And so now I start catching it. So now I guess they caught it to and they were like, yo, Torres. I'm like, yeah, what's up? He goes, yo, you think I could get this bunk? You think I can get this bunk? And I'm like, ah, so it clicked for me now. I'm like, well, if I get the chance, I'll give you this bunk, it's 50. It could be this bunk,

and so now, sure enough, the cop asked me, hey, who should we give this bunk to? I'm like, at the top of bottom, he goes bottom, but bottom bunk is more money than the top. Yeah, of course. And so I'm like,

you know what? This bunk is shit. And now, like, I'm getting paid and I'm doing it. And now I got the key to the kitchen. And now I'm getting fucking steaks and I'm putting him in my locker. And so now I was the guy.

You know, so much so that the guy, the cop used to wake me up at 5 in the morning. Now wake up at 6. He would come at 5, kick my bunk. Boom. And I wake up at 6. he goes, Torres, let's go to a bubble. So I go to the bubble. And I guess

he needed friends or some shit, but I go in the bubble and he's like, he gives me the paper and he gives me a cup of coffee and he takes out a Tupperware. I'm like, what the hell is that? He goes, try it. My wife made it. I'm like, I eat it. And I'm like, this shit is good, man. What is this? He goes,

you just ate Bambi. I'm like, Bambi. He goes, yeah, that's deer meat. I'm like, oh, shit, okay. So I'm getting all these privileges that this guy used to have. And from the time, from that time to the time I went home, that's how it was for me. You just end up being like, this is a camp, right? You're just more like a liaison.

So he doesn't have to deal with all these inmates. You're taking, I'm dealing with all the bullshit. Yeah. You could just sit, kick back in the, in the, in the office and fucking text. But I was getting paid, so I loved it. Right. You know, my commissary didn't get touched ever because I had kitchen food. I have people paying me with other stuff.

And it was great. I remember John Bozziat. sold his bunk and sell for like 200 bucks. Holy shit. Yeah, he somehow or other, he got his way into, almost said weasled. But somehow or luckily, anyway, somehow or another, I don't know what he did, but probably just got lucky. He ended up getting into this great cell.

Like, and when I say great cell, the cell was probably, probably 10 or 12 inches larger than everybody else's cell. Oh, wow. And it was in the corner. like you just you know the design you know yeah but it's funny that's how what a big deal it was so instead of a cell being you being in a an eight by 10 cell he's in an eight by 11 cell who imprisoned those little things yeah and he had a bottom bunk so he had like gone to the top bunk his cell he moves got throwing the shoe he goes to the bottom bunk so he's like he's got his

own cell and then there was a guy and then this guy named george they were the like thing they were called the one of the guys who was George he got the top bunk and then his brother comes to boziac and says bro if you can go with me to the counselor get me moved in here i'll put 200 bucks on your books oh shit and bozac's like fucking done let's go wow they you know you go to the counselor well this is that in the low and the medium where you go in you both go in with a cop out and you both sign saying look can he move here and then because you got to both agree right yeah yeah and he's like okay and the council's like all right i'll change it the computer and he changes it um but you have 200 bucks.

$200 bucks in prison? That's a lot of money. Yeah. Those little things are like premiums, man. I remember, because since I draw, the pencils they gave you a fucking prison are not even lead, bro. I don't know what the fuck they are,

but I would die for a fucking number two pencil, bro. They weren't, just because it feels, it just doesn't feel the same. Or you order it on BLEC? Did you order from BLEC the BLEC catalog? Did you ever order anything? No, I couldn't do that. They didn't have that there.

Not in that camp. No. What year was that? this was i mean i got arrested in 2003 i went in in 2004 so it was from 2004 to 2009 something like that yeah and i remember getting out it was 2010 and then in 2013 i had three-year probation 2013 was when i came here right because i wanted to get the fuck out of new york the day of my probation ended i got in a fucking car and i came to new york too you get out do you go to halfway house I got to go to halfway house

for about a month and a half That was on Fordham Road What do you do? What's your job after that? So after that You don't have anything At this point You've lost everything right

After that check this out While I was in prison My I used to I used to frequent a restaurant In City Island called What fuck was it called Fuck I forgot the name But I used to frequent there

With George Okay So he had money We had money So we would go there And they knew who we were They would give us our table and they would put three girls on us

and we would give them next tells I remember and then we would call them hey bring me this bring me that bring me the sangria bring me clams and so it was great for us right so the owner knew us by name he was like hey what's going on fellas we got your table blah like that

and so it was like the good life and so my sister used to go there as well and he happened to add the owner happened to ask my sister hey where's your brother I haven't seen him he goes oh you know he got into a little bit of trouble he's here I get a mail in the fucking prison from the owner of the restaurant

Hey, I saw your sister She told me you were here, man Hey, hanged out of And I said, what the fuck shit? And so I wrote back, I say, yeah, you know, I'm kind of worried because, you know, getting out of here, you know, I'm not sure They're going to want me to get a job

And so on and so forth He goes, you call me as soon as you get out I'll get you a job. So in the halfway house, I call this guy He gives me a job at the same restaurant Nice, so I show up for work It gives me an apron, I go to the back

I'm doing my thing two days in I come out I start talking to a girl who I'm taking her order and then I hear me goes Tony no talking to the

like this is another guy and so I go in I'm thinking to myself bro like you forgot like you know we're cool why are you talking to anything like that and he goes

just do your job like slave type shit I thought you said you were just taking our order or you flirting with her thing was no the thing was was when you work there, you cannot spend more time at the table than you need to

because other people need you. But I'm saying, but they tip me. I have to be nice. I have to, if they ask me a question, I'm not just going to leave them. I have to entertain the question and answer it back. He wasn't having it. So I remember the next day, I'm coming out of the kitchen and he goes, listen, you got to spend more time running the thing than spending time talking to the customers.

I'm like, I'm trying to service the customers. He goes, you know something? I was like, no, no, you know something? I don't think you should be talking to me like this, man. I don't know what the fuck you think you are, but you don't talk to me like that. He goes, come on, you want to hit me? Go ahead, hit me.

I was like, I know what you're trying to do. I said, you know what? I quit and I left. He was trying to set me up. Right. To call. So if I hit him, I go back to president. Yeah, yeah.

So he had that, that. I was like, no, I took off. Then I called, I went to this place called Fusion Fitness. on Throg's Neck and I met a guy named Phil Braco I told him, listen here's the deal

I'm just looking for a job here's what happened at this place and he goes bro you're hired no papers nothing he goes you're hired him and I have friends to this day

every time I go to New York I visit his house I visit his family great guy never gave me shit always to care me unbelievable guy man they closed Fusion Fitness

but he's still good and then when they close he moved to jersey to work in a exercise machine remanufacturing company where they take fitness equipment and they they remanufacturing make it brand new he called me got me a job there with him good good people and those are the people now that you know that you know i still call and i hang with man yeah i was going to say i i had a when i went to halfway house i got a job at the gym and my buddy i had these good buddies that i grew up with their dad owned like four gyms when i grew up. And then when I went to the halfway house, I picked up the phone and I called him.

And I said, hey, he said, where are you? And I was like, I'm in the halfway house. He's like, oh, man, can I do anything? I said, bro, I need a job. He's like, done. You got a job. I'll pick you. When can I pick you up? I'll get you Monday. I was like, that was great. And so like, what was it? Like maybe two lights, three traffic lights down, there was a restaurant called Muscle Maker Grill. So I go to the Muscle Maker Grill. What's that? It's a restaurant. But was it special?

Obviously, it was, yeah, the tagline was great food with your health in mind. Nice. All right. And so I walk in, they were just building it out. And I saw the guy there, his name was Mario, the owner. And I said, excuse me, you guys hiring? Because I had a culinary, you know, thing.

He goes, nah, but you know what? We're going to be hiring next week. What I want you to do if you're interested is, come with me to their first. franchise meeting in Jersey so you can see how it is and maybe they can teach you something and if you can you come back and when we open then you know you got a job I'm like cool so I won't win the next day I went to the franchise and brick New Jersey I think it was the franchise office which was itself the restaurant too the original muscle maker grill and I remember being there and the guy was saying you're going to be working for Mario and said yeah so he took me to their back goes this what

you got to do pop papa he showed me the kitchen and show me the girl and so I had a already knew because I went to school for it. And he, uh, he says, Mario, I taught this guy this, this is this. So he should be good. So long story short, I go with Mario. He opens up his shop. I'm, I'm the head chef. I'm cooking now. It was an open concept. So if the customers are sitting here on the table, on the counter, I'm cooking and I'm turning around and I'm serving the dish. Right. Right. So it was that kind of, that kind of kitchen. And so one day, the, the apartment I'm living in now, the owner's brother comes in. And he goes, hey, Justin told me to come here to see you. He said the food was good. I'm like, hey, what's up, man? You're Justin's brother.

And I give him the food. I cook it and I give it to him. And I continue to cook. And he goes, hey, bro, this is good. I'm like, thank you. You like it? He goes, yeah. He goes, bro, this place is new. I'm like, yeah, it's pretty new. He goes, how much is it to open one of these? I'm like, I don't know, but the franchise fee is $30,000. I'll tell you what. If you take out a check for $30,000, I'll quit right now and we'll buy a franchise and we'll go to Miami. Bro, guy pulls out a checkbook for 30,000, he writes $30,000 and he gives it to me. I took off my apron and I feel bad now. I went to Mario, I was like, Mario, I'm sorry, man, but I'm going to go open up a franchise.

He goes, what? I'm like, yeah, just put so-and-so on the grill and, bro, thank you for the opportunity. I shook his hand and I left. Come on, bro, that's wrong. It's wrong, but what am I going to let $30,000 walk out the door? You could have finished the shift. No, man. You could have given him a week.

You'd have to move that night. I was not kidding, man. I had to make moves. So the next day we went to Brick, New Jersey. I saw the guy. He was like, what are you doing here? You're not at Mario's? I'm like, oh, no, I'm here to buy a franchise.

He sold us a franchise. And so I had opened it in Miami here in Broward, on Sheridan Street. And while I was there with mine, there was a guy who had opened one in North Miami Beach. and knew I was there and called me and said, hey, listen, can I make you manager of mine? So it's why you're over there doing yours? You can just manage the guy I got there. He's a wacko, and I'm not sure.

You know, we're losing money. And so they hired me to run that one. And so I was doing both restaurants. Right. Before I shut them down two years later. Why? Is this COVID? I didn't know about the real estate here.

And what I found out is in the plazas. Your rent is based on the anchor stores in the plaza. What does that mean? That means... As long as they're paying, you're doing okay. No. No. If there's a Publix, the rent is high.

If there's a Publix and a Coles and a bed, bath, and beyond, your rent is higher. Oh. Those are the... Because they're the draws. Right. So I didn't know that going in. So I go and I sign this contract. And the rent comes in and it's like all in with food and everything.

It was $23,000 a month. And every month... month I was always short by 300 by 200 by 50 bucks by 500 I was always short by something and I'm like this is just like a slow death I'm a bleed to death here after two years I was like bro I'm gonna end up running out of money and just I meet great friends and good relationships and the customers were great I just didn't have enough customers to to cover it all you know what I mean um but I ended up just one day shutting the doors taking all the equipment and just bouncing. So I ended up becoming the regional, the regional international master trainer for

Orange Theory Fitness. And so, it was ironically enough, their job required me to, every time they opened up a franchise, I had to fly to the franchise to teach all the trainers how to do the system, how to do the Orange Theory system. And I had a fear of flying. cousin, I was in, I was a professional salsa dancer and, and while, we went to perform in Puerto Rico, and it was the night that Princess Diana died. Okay. I remember coming back to a hotel, after the performance, we came back to the hotel, and on the TV, there was, Prince Diana's dead, you know, whatever the hell, through the fucking

tunnel. I'm like, fuck. So we were packing to get out, and we got on the plane, and the plane coming to New York, that shit almost went down. It kind of dropped. I don't know how many feet. It hit hard. It turned right.

It turned left. The mask came down. All that shit. God, please. Let this plane land. If it lands, I promise I'll never fly again. From that day, from that day to Orange Theory, I didn't fly another flight. When they wanted to perform, I was like, I'm only performing in New York.

If I can put somebody in my spot. I miss seeing London. I miss seeing Japan. I miss seeing all these beautiful places because I was afraid of flying. So, you know, I don't know, 20 years later, you know, I had to fly and I had to take fucking, medicate myself, whatever. Long story short, I woke up Thursday last year sometime. I got up and I was like, I got to do something about this fucking fear of flying. I went to the airport down the block.

How much to take me up in that fucking thing? He goes, 150 bucks. I go up on that thing like this. What was it? It was a, it was a plane at a Cessna. And he's flying and the two things are small. Yeah. And he's like, take, take the control.

And I'm like, no, he goes, take the control. And I grab the control and he goes, pull it up a little bit. I pull up and I feel the plane go up. He goes, push down. I feel the plane go down. So he's taking me through it. And then we finally land. He goes, you like it?

I'm like, yeah. He goes, you want to go back? I'm like, yeah. So I now got 46 hours of flight. So I'm becoming a, you know. A pilot? Yeah, yeah, I got my student pilot. I was just a super, super safe.

Yeah. You don't know. Well, you don't know. And I realized, you know, when you're in control, it feels different. Yeah. Yeah, you got somebody over there who didn't have sex, and he's at the front. He's miserable. He wants to crash the plane with everybody in it.

You can't control that. Yeah. And so, as I said, you want the engines to go out in that Cessna before you do in the commercial plane. Yeah, and even in the commercial plane. It's still pretty safe. Yeah. And those commercial planes glide, as heavy as they are because of the dynamics of the air and the wings. Yeah.

At a lift, yeah. And, and it, I love being up there, man. I grab the, you know, I take off. And, like, last week, a matter of fact, I got to fly tomorrow. But last week, I'm on the plane. And he's, he's like my instructor. Like, I feel like, you know, when you do the driving exam. And he's there, he tells me what to do.

He's like, all right, do a 360. So I got to turn the plane and do it through a steep 360. So finally, we're landing. He goes, all right, let's land the plane. I go, I land the plane. Boom. He goes, bro, you, you're flying great. And I'm like, I mean, I just,

turn on one thing. I said, if you were to pass out, do you trust me to land this plane with you in it? He goes 100%. I'm like, I'm good. Because that's kind of things that, this is not the final test. Like maybe in a couple months, I got to go out with a real person who's going to say, okay, you're licensed here. Right. Right. And so all these things are done in the prelude to that, you know. So you had a bad experience with turbulence. You, you, that with that one plane. I don't know what the fuck that was, but that shit was more than turbulence. That shit was scary. you know i was love when the uh when the the the some pilots in the plane and then the the kind of

like the the pilot like sully and like the engines go out and it's and they're like we've got an engine going out we're so cold bro yeah we're not going to be we're going to be able to make that uh we're going to go ahead turn around yeah we're going to be at the hudson just hang out chill out yeah be all right we're dropping we're dropping i did to clear that that that uh land strip we'll be coming down on the that's insane you know you gotta have like you gotta know what the fuck you're doing to be that calm and that

confident and I give it up to that guy so um good so uh wait don't but you own a gym now now I own a gym so what happened with that was I went I was an armist theory of fitness I'm there I don't know four years

uh teaching you know starting these franchises, basically. And so I'd get, like, maybe 16 trainers who fucking think they're the hot shit. And now I got to chop them up because at the end, it's got to be six trainers, that state. Right. And so, you know, it's like the Navy Seals, you're the bad guy with the whistle and you, all right, let's go here.

But you, out. You didn't make it. So I got to be that guy. And so, like, four years in, I get this thing where now, you know, I've made you guys hundreds of thousands of dollars i want to i want to buy my franchise i want to buy a franchise you know because it's my turn i want to make hundred thousand dollars so i go into the office one day and i'm like hey what's going on i'm hey tony how are you yeah listen you know um i'm interested in getting a franchise you think i can i can get a franchise it was yeah the franchise is 30 000 i'm like yeah

i can i can i can i can i can i get a license and they were like oh i don't know this and that and they just give me excuses i was like all right let me speak to so-and-so which was a bit above them. So I went to the main guy and I said, hey, how are you? He goes, hey, how are you? I'm like, listen, I was, I just want to know. I asked him if I can get a license. He said to speak to you, so, which is bullshit. He didn't. I just went over there. And I said, can I, can I invest in a license for myself. He goes, yeah, yeah, you can. He's what you do. Speak to so and so. And he sent me to the person and the person tells me, no, no, you can't. I'm like, wait a minute. So it seems like he called the main guy that I just came from. And so when I go back, he goes,

yeah, you know, yeah, there's no more licenses. I was like, there's no more licenses. Wait a minute. I can make you guys hundreds of thousands of dollars. You shuffle me around the fucking world, building these places for you, I make you guys rich. And when I want to get some of that pie,

you don't want to do it. And here's my two days notice. Boom. And I quit. That was it. And so at that time, I had just turned pro, pro athlete in bodybuilding. Okay.

And I went to the gym. At least I thought, I was going to the gym that I normally would go to. When I go to the gym, Ufit had bought the gym out the day prior. So when UFIT buys it, they can't have weights over 80 pounds. They took out all the heavy weights. Like, what the fuck am I supposed to do now?

So I got pissed. I'm like, no, man, this can't be. So I'm looking around for a hardcore gym. There's no hardcore gyms. So I said, I'm going to build a fucking gym. And so what I did was I went on a Craigslist. and I started buying equipment. One piece out of time, right?

From the money I had from Orange Theory, I buy one piece and the following week, I buy another piece and I put it in my backyard because I didn't get a spot yet. And after I bought 40 or 50 pieces, which is I calculated, I need to have these things, if not the gym can't run without it.

Yeah, yeah, the basics. And so there was about 40, 45 pieces and I knew my color scheme was going to be yellow. So I painted them all in the backyard. I painted them all yellow. Fucking Home Depot. And then I, covered them with tarp and then i started searching for a spot well i wanted to do was search for a spot

that uh that was close to where i was living and that was next to a big chain gym because i knew the big people don't like big chain gyms and they can have a smaller hardcore you know that's where they want to be so it's not that there's not you know they don't want to be in those gyms is that there's no gyms like that to go through and so i said i want to open up a hardcore gym here so on and so forth so i went in There was a guy there already, but he had a personal training studio. I go in and I ask the guy, hey, are you renting this spot? Are you selling it? He goes, no, no, this is just a studio.

He goes, but I have this space back here. And it was a pretty big space, but it wasn't big enough to how I wanted it to be. I had a vision. I had this is what I wanted to do. And nobody was going to get in my way. And so I'm like, all right, you know what? If anything comes up, just give me a call. So I give him my number.

And two weeks there, he calls me. He goes, hey, listen, I have a proposition for you. you. So I'm like, what's up? He goes, just come to the gym. So I go to the studio and he sits with me, he goes, you're looking to open up a hardcore gym, a big gym, right? I'm like, yeah, he goes, well, this is a studio, but what I've been wanting to do as well is open up a gym. I'm like, okay, so, you know, how does that help me? He goes, well, why don't we make this the gym? So I'm like, you mean, like, I was like, yeah, but you got these fucking machines, you know, this is not the kind of gym I want. He goes, what are the machines?

what's the issue he had he had like a studio he had like a studio it was small you guys like the machines lined up it was like really like a one-on-one thing oh I was just like kind of like you'd have it like an apartment complex yeah like you've got less than the basics right but enough to look good on the brochure right right during the walkthrough or for whatever the hell he's doing with one-on-one and so he shows me the back and I go to the back and I'm like you know what maybe if you know but the combination is is bigger yes and so I said you know what so here here's Here's the deal. If we can do this and we can do that and so on.

And we made the plan and he goes, bro, I'm down for that. So the biggest mistake I did was when he took his hand out to shake my hand, I shook his hand. That was the biggest mistake I mean. Right. Because back in the day,

everything could be done on a fucking handshake. Right. So I go in there, I build his gym, you know, I bring my equipment. Everything is great. A year and a half in,

I have an issue with one of the guys that was his partner. He had a 10% partner of that studio. So it was like, 45, 45, and the kid had 10. I had an issue with that kid because, you know, there was some girls there that were staff and I was doing the schedule for them and then he was fucking it up. So then they would come to me and there was a, Tony, the schedule, and I was like, look, he's the, he would, and so I had an argument when I said, listen, do this right or don't

fucking do. He goes, bro, I don't fucking want to be. I was like, do you don't want to be here? I'll buy you out. Get the fuck out of here. So then I went to the office and I told my other partner, yo, this guy's bitching. He doesn't want to be here. I'll buy him out.

And then the guy tells me, my original partner tells me, he's not going anywhere. If anybody's going anywhere, it's going to be you. Like that. I was like, me. Like, bro, I built this fucking gym. You have fucking 16 people when I got here. All right.

We had fucking 600 members. You weren't doing it. What the fuck did they come from? He goes, you mean to say that was you? I'm like, but you were here five years before I got here. You had 16 people, bro. And so he was fucking delusional. He goes, well, you know what?

I'm keeping the name. I'm like, you ain't keeping shit, bro. And so I went to an attorney, just the way shit happened. I went to an attorney. I brought on my paperwork. I showed the guy, the attorney. I'm like, look, blah, boy, he goes, wait a minute.

He goes, is this for a gym call? So I'm like, yeah. He goes, wait a minute. My partner has got a retainer from that gym as of a month ago. I'm like, for what? He goes, there's a retainer in the gym. They hired my partner.

I'm like, so they were trying to do something behind me a month ago. Okay, so they were already in, they're already causing problems. Yes. They were trying to get rid of me. I built the gym, and now they want to get rid of me. And so the guy was like, look, we can, we can do this and we can win. Obviously, the gym is yours.

You have the paperwork. You have the license. You have everything. He goes, but do you have $100,000 to fight this thing? He goes, that's what it's going to cost about. I'm like, no, I didn't think I needed $100,000. He goes, we charge more for less than this. He goes, look, I'm going to give you a piece of advice.

He goes, you're going to open up in the gym? I'm like, yeah, he goes, think of a name, use that money you were going to use to litigate and go down the block and open up your own spot. Yeah. And so that's what I did. And I took half my members with me. They came over and I've been there now for seven years. Do you take your equipment?

I took everything. Yeah, that's how one day I went over there. Nobody knew. I still had the key. I opened up the gates, emptied it out. I emptied the whole place out and didn't hear one phone call to this day. That was seven years ago. right yeah and so now i've been here now seven years no problems what your gym called iron temple

jim miami miami florida yeah in the candle area i thought it might be no this is this is this spartan spartan is spartan body and this is what i do so i have the gym but in case nobody knows there's no money in the gym business yeah the money is what you do inside the gym right right and so this is my internet marketing thing where I have my courses and my programs that I sell online and my brand is Spartan body formula and Spartan body came about because I kind of got this fixation with that that series of Spartacus that came on a short time well I would see how that guy or 300 what about 300 sparkis came out before yeah but still I mean I love that that movie right but the Spartacus had the story where you see the guy in the fucking pits in the slums and the

shit water and they just captured him and threw him in there kind of like prison and now he had to fight his way out right and make connections that meet people and so go to the top until he gets his freedom and i associated that with what i was going through right and to be able to be free now and we fucking spartans bro we were into shit and now we're out now so that's how spartan body came about right and because it's body you know it's a spartan body and it's my formula so how i get people ripped in fucking six weeks or less. So I have, you know, programs to that, that whole blueprint. And I get sales from that, you know, and I change their lives.

I changed people. That would change people's lives now, you know. You tell them what you went through and then, you know, you show that, you know, you came out of the shit and then you developed something in there and that this is what you developed and now this is how you're going to get in shape. So I was going to say, I read a book, I don't know if it was called Spartacus, but it was about Spartacus. Matter of fact, I'm now going to hunt down that book, only because the book was written

by a historian, wasn't super big. It was maybe 250 pages or something, wasn't that big. Tons of footnotes, but it tells the story of Spartacus, and this is a historian who's gone through, and he explains, one, you know, who Spartacus was, that he was, one, he wasn't He wasn't Roman. He was a gull who had been conscripted into the Roman army. Right. And they still, to this day, they don't really know what he did to become like a gladiator.

But he went to the gladiator school and he leads a little revolt there and leaves, of course. And then gathers all these people. But they explain historically through the records how he gathers this army and the battles. And then they explain certain things. They're like, now this is like, and when he gets to a part where it's, it's question, like, there's a, there's two different versions or three, he's like, but based on historic, you know, whatever, he's like, this is probably what happened because, and then he explains that in the codex of whatever, they talk about this. And so I believe, but he writes it in such a way, it's not like a historic document. It's really almost written like a novel. Right.

But he explains all the time. And when he gets to a part where he's like, now, we don't really know what happened here. We do know that any, listen, it was the coolest thing I had ever. It's fascinating. It was fascinating. Because they don't really know. There's many, many versions.

But then there's other historic versions of how they would basically collecting the slaves as they went through these towns to join the army. And then he explains why they would do that and how they were, you know, they'd go in. They'd take all the grain. and everything to feed themselves, and they would continue to move, and how the Rome put together multiple armies to come get them, and they've won this battle, even though they had fewer people, they won this one, this one they lost, and they fled in the mountains, but the

Romans couldn't go in the mountain. Like, listen, it's a whole thing, super cool. Of course, it doesn't work out for them in the end, but it's super cool. It's a great, I mean, it's a great name. Yeah, it's, and also it's like, you know, I, I kind of teach it with a friend. I came up with the 3M method, which is, you know, mind, which is, of course, the mindset. You can't do anything without mindset. You can't train without mindset because the moment the fucking thing gets heavy, it's too

fucking heavy. You got to have mindset to push through it. Then you got to have the muscle that you create in the gym. Mindset plus muscle, looking good, feeling good, being smart is going to create the money. And without one of those, you're fucked. If you don't have the mindset, you can't do the other two. If you don't have the muscle, you're going to be fucking fat or skinny and broke. At some point, your wife's going to say, hey, okay, I mean, come on, let's get in shape.

She's already saying that. He's already saying that. And the kid's going to be like, damn, dad, what happened to fucking Superman? And you're gone. And without money, you ain't getting a date and you ain't paying your bills. So you're screwed without one of these, you know, and it just, that's what you really. And the core of it, I'm making you a better man. It seems like it's just muscle.

But it's not. It starts from the top and goes all the way to the bottom and ends up in your pocket. You know what I mean? Yeah, you know what's funny? You know how many times I've laid in bed and I've thought, I just don't want to go. I don't want to go to the gym. And, you know, of course, I got a thousand excuses. But today's was, it's legs day.

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Fuck your khakis. Get the perfect genes. But really my wife is on a working trip on a yacht. And my buddy Pete was here. So anyway, but usually what happens, so we lay in bed and kind of talk myself into it. And usually what gets me there is I'm like, you know what? Just go and go light.

Like just get there and go light. go through the motions go light but by the time you get there and you get on that first machine you're like okay 140 well 140 is what i always do that's it seems like like i but it was it's just getting there and by the time i'm there i don't go light but even if i did go light i'm still going through the motions and that beats the shit out of laying in bed you know and so i i kind of like and i never seem to do that i never seem to go light unless we've it's taken off a month Like, they say, look, the hardest thing is not going to the gym. It's not working out, right?

The hardest thing is not doing the podcast. The other thing is not writing the book. The hardest thing is sitting down to write the book. Yeah. Getting there. To go to the gym. Right. Setting up to do the podcast.

That's the shit that, you know, if somebody can do all this shit for me, fine. But, you know, you got to do it yourself. And if you don't do it, it won't get done. Right. That's the problem. And so I was watching you on Bradley. You know, this was a... Bradley, Bradley got me a guest.

Bradley, he's cool. I like it. You know when I saw him, I went to the 10X conference and I saw him on stage and what, what kind of why I liked him was because you fucking guys, you're all this. You got all this money. But when you smile, your teeth are all fucked up. Fix your fucking teeth, bro. So that shit, I'm like that. This guy's good. I like this guy. And so I started following him. And then the other night, I think it was Saturday night. I'm in Idaho. I was visiting with some marketers and doing some stuff over there with what I do now. and I was in bed ready to go the next day but I opened up my laptop and I he pops up and I'm like oh shit I know this guy because I was I watched a few years stuff but like months ago and I was like all right and I played it and then I saw the West Watson thing I'm like oh shit okay boom and so I'm listening

and I noticed that when he asked you would you have Wes on your podcast you said fucking hell no some shit like that yeah I think I was like well I may have said that but I might admit that comes up all the time and I'm like I think I said he'd fucking kill me like what the fuck like you know it's not gonna work out well I don't see it working out well and then he said but why he's such a great like he's so like he's not and like I know went back and forth I was like I don't know and I'm thinking I'm saying about you I'm like why wouldn't you want

to have me he's not like he's not and and I remember hearing you say yeah his messaging is good and I remember hearing you say that um but But then I'm still thinking in my mind, wow. Like other people probably have this impression about him. But then we're like, I started thinking. I started thinking, I'm like, fuck. How the fuck was it that? Because now I'm making the dividends on the making money now based on the framework

that I learned from him. So now I'm thinking that night, I'm like, was he like when I went to like seek him out? Was he like that? And so I'm starting to thinking, I'm like, I didn't seek him out. I was in the hospital, and I don't know if I told you the story, but I was in a hospital. And because I had gotten to an altercation in the gym, I ended up in a hospital with a busted face. And anyway, I was banged up and I made a call to do some real bad stuff. And it was, I know it was stuff that, you know, that probably would have buried me under the prison.

And I would have never seen the latter day. However, I'm laying in bed and something, I hear something fall. And when I look over, it's my knapsack, my book bag. And I'm like, how the fuck did the bag fall on the floor? And when I look, the contents were sprawled all over the floor. I'm like, bro, there's no way. And I looked around, nobody pushed it. The bag was leaning up against the backrest of the couch.

So unless somebody goes and pushes that thing, it's not falling. It wasn't like it was on the edge of the couch. It was sitting on the backrest. And so I kind of like, you know, I wedged myself out of the thing. of the bed and I kind of limped over and I I picked up the bag and then the book there was a book that I had bought it was Wes Watson's book and it was face down and it was open so I pick up the book and I opened it over to the page it opened on and on the page it opened on a page where it said karmic debt in other words like you know whatever something somebody has done to you

will be they will have to pay for that they will repay You know, like, it was, I felt at that moment, I was scared. I'm like, what the fuck is going on right now? And now look at the couch. I'm like, there was space. It was fucking space between the pack and the floor. How do fuck did that happen? And so divine intervention.

I don't know what you want to call it. Maybe the big man upstairs. He wanted to send a message. But when I opened this thing and I saw that, I immediately made the call to the person I had called. And I said, bro, hang that shit up, forget about it. And I took a loss. I said, I don't, he goes, you sure? I'm like, hang it up.

I don't want it. Hang it up. And now I, now I had to find out what the fuck this was, what was the deal. And so I closed the book. I put it in the bag and I go on, now I'm going on Instagram. And I'm looking at this guy. I'm searching him. And now he's, I hear him and I, I'm listening to his message.

And I'm like, but there's some, there's some, like, some reviews here that are bad and good. So then I go to this one comment. and I noticed that the comment came from a girl. And it was a positive comment. So I clicked on her bio, and I went on her link, and I went on her message. And I said, hey, do you know this guy? Is he, you know, is he? And she goes, yeah, he's been my coach.

He's amazing. He's great. And I'm thinking, well, you know, if anybody would be intimidated, a bit of girl, right? But she spoke highly of him. And then I'm like, okay, yeah, you know. And I kept hearing equal messages on YouTube of great things and of not so good things. And, you know, when you're there, you're like, fuck, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to just get had or, you know, you know, lose money or anything like that. I want to do with a good thing, you know, this, there's a message going on here that there's a reason why I cancel that call.

There's a reason why the bag fell on the floor. There's a reason for everything. And so I told a thank you and I closed it. Like the next day, I get a message, a ping on my, a DM. And it was Wes Watson. And he says, what's up, right? brother. Hey, ready to get started. Just let me know. Here are the things. Here the prices. Here's this. Here's that. Let's get busy. Let's make money. Let's change your life.

And I was like, well, I didn't reach out to this guy. What the fuck just happened? Like things you're getting really creepy or spooky or scary or divine. I don't know what the fuck it was. But later on, I put two and two together. I said, maybe this girl sent him a message. But the fact that he reached out to me, all right. So I went over. They didn't want to do the, the surgery in my face because my face was too swollen and, you know, they just said, look, you has to go down and we'll give you an appointment. You come back and we'll handle that. I went to the gym where he was training. And sure enough, he was there under the squad bar. He racked the bar. He turned around. And he came toward me and I was like, Wes, he goes, yeah,

he looked at me. He looked at me weird. Like, obviously he didn't know me, but I was all banged up. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, I'm the guy that you text. He goes, what the fuck happened to you? And I'm like, I don't know. I had my. multiplication, but I had to call somebody or text somebody that you knew to find out about you. He goes, bro, just go home and heal and just call me when you're ready, man, because, like, you need to heal. He goes, I'll be here when you're ready. Just call me when you're ready.

And so I left. And, man, like, all I kept thinking about was that. And so I was healing and I got to surgery and I came out. And finally, I said, you know what? This is $7,500. It's either going to make me or break me. but I had confidence as that everything that happened

leading up to that point was for a reason. I went, I spoke to him, I sent him the money, he made the appointment with me so we can have our one-on-one. And, bro, we had our one-on-one and the dude's an amazing guy.

He's, you know, everybody has a past. But obviously he has changed his life and now he's this guy who has a formula that that, you know, propels people forward if they do what they, the way he says to do. There's some guys that buy the stuff and they hire him and they don't do shit and then it fails and then they're like, oh, what the fuck?

This guy robbed me. No, bro, because, you know, you're made skin, bones, organs, hair, nails, and so am I. There's something that I'm doing that you're not and you failed and I'm not. So it has to be the person. And so I'm doing everything he's asking me to do. I've, you know, maybe, I don't know, 10x my investment already. I mean, 80,000 past $80,000, just doing what he asked me to do. And, you know, in the beginning, he's checking on you.

And what was, what I found weird is for a man making $2 million a month, you know, he's got this mansion on the beach, on the water, and he doesn't seem to sleep. He texts, he texts personally. and I'm like, who's this? He goes, Wes. I'm like, Wes. He goes, yeah, me, Wes. You good?

I'm like, I'm good. He goes, bro, on your story, put this, on your reels. Don't forget to put this, this, and that. So he checks on you to make sure that you're doing what he had asked you to do from the blueprint he gives you. And I'm like, oh, okay, so I were going in and I would fix it. And so that accountability, you know, I believe was, is something that, that I haven't seen anybody doing. only that but how the fuck do you sleep like it seems like you're up all the time because at night at 1 a.m there's things going up from him you know and so you know i it's it's it's it's it's it's it's weird

because there's so many but i i'm with this guy now at his house so our our training time is passed but you know we give each other value i sit in his house and i talk with him and the man is so even killed there is no voice you know you're saying earlier you're like the person when you see on the video you said you said but when you're talking to him like he's this guy's the defimal level is low bro it's like i love talking to him because he's just so calm and so like i'm like how the fuck do people how do people come to the conclusion that this guy is a bad dude he used to be a bad everybody used to have a pass well you can see the videos like you know you could yeah there's plenty of it's not like there's not videos showing him screaming and hollering and belittling people but i but i but i but i but i

also see why. Right. If you're, if you're, if I'm, if I'm making $3 million a month and you pay me to help you and you ask me, um, uh,

how do, how do I find out, you know, what gym to go to? I'm going to fire. I'm going to give you your $7,500 and fire. I mean, bro,

look it up and fucking Google. Bro, go to the internet and type gyms in my neighborhood. Those are the kind of questions that I seen. asked of him and so he gets frustrated at that and I'm like bro I get I get it I get it and sometimes I'm like bro how to fucking ask such a stupid fucking question and I'm saying to myself well I'm assuming a lot of the guys are kind of you know what is the term sims sims sims what are they call they're weak they're fucking yeah you know so I'm assuming a lot of those are those

guys because possibly because I get those guys that are guys that were and this is horrible thing to say but it's true I feel it's true. Guys that were raised by women or their fathers, their fathers just weren't there and they're 22 years old. They've never really had a girlfriend. And when they meet a girl, they're just, they're pathetic around them, right? And they have no, they have no confidence.

And then they see Wes and they think, if I could get 10% of that, it'd probably change my life. And when we talked about this before, you know, which is one of the reasons that I even stopped and said, let's stop talking. because this is we'd be better off talking about it in prison is that I think that those guys and we had this conversation and it's the same thing that I said on Bradley is that you know I don't I probably believe in I probably am 90% on board with with Wes Watson's message

but I'm a hundred percent not on board on his delivery system but you you said the same thing and I've said this before you know but the truth is there there are people that you have the bully to get them to do the right thing. You've got to talk to them hard. Bulley probably is not, it's not a popular word, but that's the truth. I also think taking bullet, you know, I don't want to bully somebody to the point where they go and they off themselves. Right. But I also think, cowtowing to high school and junior high kids and saying everything's okay. You're good just the way you are. Fuck that. God made you just, but then you're not good just the way you are. And you need to go to the gym and you need to work out. And you need to

be assertive not aggressive but assertive and you know what it breaks down to me is when you become crass and rude and belittle other people like it's it's kind of like that not that i didn't already have an issue with west prior to that um but when he got on was it a fresh and fit podcast they did a they did a thing where they invited all these kind of conservative guys and he belittles the one guy he's like you're fat you don't abs you you're broke you're the like he just belittles the guy. And in the end, West came out horrible looking. Like, that guy, he looked worse than what he is. That's number one. Number two, from what I heard, right. The guy lost like 30 pounds since then. Yeah, and that's probably true. And I get it. Like, I get it. My, my problem is

that, and I think I'm, I'm assuming they kept this on Bradley. Um, there's two things about Bradley. Well, it is one that the, it's kind of the 10X thing with, what's the real estate guy that does the 10X? Cardone. Cardone, where he does the whole belittling thing where it's like, if you're making less than $400,000 a year, you're a loser. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. Listen, bro, like the guy that delivers my groceries and works at the grocery store and works at Walmart and works like, that guy's not a loser. Like, it's belittling.

You just said that all of the middle. class are losers. The middle class is what allows you to function, you know, in your current state making a million dollars or two million dollars. So it's wrong. And then like I disagree with that. The other thing is, you know, the whole, it's constantly the, I make two million dollars a month. Okay, great. Good for you. I know lots of guys that probably would have made millions of dollars a year, but their priority was I want to, I want to teach my little kid, my kids, little league team. Right. There's nothing wrong with that. And to do that, I couldn't go for that CEO job that was going to cost me 80 hours a week

and possibly my marriage and I'll never see my kids. And yeah, I'd be able to say, hey, I make $800,000 a year. But the truth is, I'll take the job making $150,000 a year and I get to teach my kids Little League. That doesn't make him a loser. No, absolutely not. That is what bothers me. But now here, take a look at this. You can make $150,000 now.

and at the end of the month you're fucking like what i gotta get another fucking job nowadays right but right i i get it but their priority is but i i need to be there for my kids right and that's really what they want so to say that guy's a loser okay he has different priorities in you money isn't everything i i know you buy all me listen and i not just this not just do i think that you know this and i know this by going to be to prison and at being stripped of everything and being happier in prison with nothing you've got to know in your heart money doesn't really mean shit because you know this there's no fucking hurses with a you haul behind you're not taking shit with you so you're two million dollars a month doesn't impress me you know um

and i want to mention one more thing about bradley listen so bradley when i first had watched some of his videos i remember thinking and i still think this he and if he watches this he'll be fine. He'll tell us he's got it he's got a thick ego is it obnoxious right super obnoxious super arrogant and I get it I'm obnoxious and arrogant too so it's not I'm not being mean to him but extremely professional although when he interviewed me um one he didn't know my story which is fine I never expect anybody to know my story I don't I'd rather you not know it right but the problem is when we did our interview, one, he, in his mind, I could tell he thought we were going to do a 30 minute to an hour interview. And when I got there, I was told it could take a couple

hours. Right. So I wasn't in a hurry. Two, he doesn't really know my story. He doesn't realize that it's kind of a long story. I can give you a short version. Right. But I can't give you the short version if you keep interrupting me. And he kept interrupting me because for him, his podcast, I guess he feels like, no, we're just having a conversation. I know I haven't a conversation, but you're also asking me to tell you. Right. And so you would ask a question. I go to tell you, and before I can finish telling you the, answering the question, you're interrupting me again. And that happened so much that the inner, that I finally just at the end, and I said it a couple times during the interview was like, well, I'm trying to tell you, bro, but you keep interrupting me. And I said a couple

times and he's, oh, yeah, sorry. And then he'd ask again, I'd start talking, he'd interrupt me again. So so many people, so two things happened there. By the time we were done, I kind of just shut down and just started answering us questions. Like, I'm not telling you the story. You obviously don't want to hear the story. So it's fine. I'll just, I'll just answer. We're doing whatever you want, which is I probably should have done that to begin with.

So I just started answering questions. Well, people just berated him in the comment section. They were like, stop interrupting this guy. This guy's got an amazing story. You're not going to, you didn't get the story because you wouldn't stop interrupt. Like, they were just bashing the crap out of him. And the great thing about. him is after it came out like I'd say four or five days later he came back and he texted me now

you know like we were on a text thread but I wasn't really I was texting the the booking agent right right and he chimed in like twice yeah looking forward with the very basic hey super excited about our podcast you know the basic bullshit right right right you know I got maybe two or three texts from Bradley and I remember thinking that's not Bradley that's Bradley's assistant who has his his text phone that she works the text phone so that's what I thought but it was Bradley and so when I when I let so three four days later after the podcast came back he said hey man listen I want to tell you that I didn't really know who you were and I didn't know your story and I interrupted you a lot and I did you a disservice and I want to apologize for that. Wow. And if you want to, and I want you to come back

on the podcast. And if you come back to Vegas, please tell me so we can, so I can fix this because I really made a mistake on your podcast. And I shouldn't have, I mean, just completely took 100% responsibility for what honestly probably wasn't the worst podcast, you know. No, I enjoyed it. I watched it. I didn't even realize he was interrupting you. And I don't think anybody, for me, I was frustrated. And guys in the comments are saying, bro, you can tell this guy's frustrated. Right. But he took responsibility because I think that when you fuck up, you take responsibility.

Sure. I fucked up. You know, I should have done this. I didn't do that. That was a dumb move. I'm a dick almost exclusively. I am constantly, I could go up to my wife and walk up and hug her and say, I'm sorry. I promise, I don't have to be specific, I did something wrong in the last day or two.

She would probably go, you know, like, it's okay, I know you didn't mean it. Probably said something stupid. I say stupid shit all the time. So the fact that Bradley texted me and was like, yo, like, that's like saying, hey, I can see where this was fucked up. I need to make that right. He didn't really because I could have cared less. But I'll tell you the difference is I wasn't going to go on his podcast again. But now if I go to Vegas, I will go to him and say, look, here's one I have available.

If you want to do it, that's great. We can do it again. Sure. I wouldn't have done it before. But it made me respect him. So by him saying, hey, that was a dick move, I feel fucked up about it. That garnered, by saying it's a dick move, that garnered my respect. Sure.

More than the obnoxious, more than somebody saying, oh, I made $10 million, or I'm, you know, great. you know and i it's kind of like the thing with west and we had we mentioned or we had talked about the um the guy going to the gym and everything i've seen on west is him defending himself and then you were defending him and this is the thing at the very least although i've talked to multiple people that have had horrible experiences with the west i've also i've talked to just as many people who have had amazing um experiences with west you know which really sucks from my point of view, because I'd prefer they were all horrible.

It'd make me 100% right. Right now I'm only 50% right, which is not a great. That's not a great, you know. I'm sure if you had a conversation with him, kind of like with Bradley, you'd see, you'd see another side of him.

I probably would, but I don't. And you probably understand, you know, why sometimes he's got to do what he's got to do. You know, some, like you said, your dick sometimes I'm fucking, sometimes people are like, I hate that fuck. I was like, you don't fucking hate me.

You hate me. You hate me because I call you out. Right. You know what I'm not going to rub it right in the right way. Some people are going to love us like you said before. Some people are going to hate us. I have this thing with my wife that happened the other day. She'd be like, stop talking about me.

She, oh, I know what it was. It was getting her captain's license. So she just got her captain's license. Okay. But she's been talking about it for four or five years. Well, that's not true. She's been talking about three years. So since she became a, she got her like, she went to,

technical school and became a marine mechanic right she's a very tough chick like i said i told you earlier she's like the man of the house um so she's a marine mechanic she worked for a you know yacht company i mean for up sorry for a marine a marina for a while now she works for a yacht company and then she said you know what i want to do i want to i want to i want to get my captain's license she talked about that for six months to a year at least probably longer than that i think i've heard it before but she was really really talking about it for like a year and so i was like um And every time she said, I said, how much is it? Oh, it's $800,000, $1,000, whatever.

Go, go, go. I'll pay for it. Like, let's do it. We got the money. Go, go, go. That's nothing. Let's do it. Yeah, I got to take the time off.

Take the time off. What does it matter? Your boss will do it, go, go. And so, you know when she did it? Probably, it was probably three months ago. Maybe two months ago. She finally went when I said, she said it again, and I went, you know, I kind of chuckled. She goes, what?

I said, remember when you were younger? I said, because I said, I did. this. When you're younger and you would always say, like, oh, I want to do that. If I had the money, I do that. I said, and now, like, we have the money and you just kind of have to realize, like, you're just lazy. And she looked at me and she goes, fuck you. All right, that's it. I'm done. And then she signs up and, like, listen, a week and a half late, the class is on the 12th. I'm going to the 12th to this. And I'm going to do it. And I'm like, okay. It wasn't until I was a dick. I kind of hit her pride a little bit. And, you know, and I gave you some other.

their excuses. I don't want to mention that guy's name, man. Some people need it. Some people need it. You know, you know, I'm lucky because I can typically do it to myself, you know. But, yeah, I mean, maybe I just, like I said, about the West thing, like I've always

just felt like, if I was across from him, I just feel like the, and I think I mentioned this before, like, when I saw him on Big Herk, I think he would just gotten out of prison. He's seemed so much more calm, so much more relatable, so much more humble and appreciative. And now every time I see him, he's belittling someone. He's calling people names. And he's always bragging. I have this. I have this.

Bro, that just doesn't make you a better person. You know what I'm saying? And that's what bothers me. If your message is, hey, the more money you make, the better person you are, I didn't do your priorities are so overwhelmingly fucked up. Like you just better expect to die alone or die with people that are surrounded with that you're surrounded with you because of your money. I don't want anybody who's around me because I have because I have money. I'm paying their bills. I'm doing it.

I want people around me that genuinely just enjoy being around me. And I found that in prison. You had to know. When you were walking the track with a guy in prison, he wasn't walking the track because you were doing anything for him other than being a good friend. Yep. Nobody's got nothing. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I've met some of the best people I know were, I met in prison, you know. Matter of fact, every friend, friend, friend I have to this day came from there.

I met in prison. Yeah. You know, like for me to stick, listen, I got out of prison and started sending people money. I didn't even have any money. But I know that a hundred bucks in prison, that's a lot of money. And that's a game changer. Sending somebody a book. And being a gut, that feeling you get, one, getting mail.

and two, being able to pick up the phone or send somebody email through, you know, core links and say, you know, hey, bro, there's this series. I read the first two books. I don't have the other book. Here's the name of it.

Man, I really, if you have the chance, if you could do it. Bro, I got guys that do that. I'm like, I order them the next fucking five books in the series. Something so small for us and so big for them. Right. They get the book. They get to have their name called.

They get the book. You know, and they have somebody that they can reach out to. And it's a $7 book. It's a $12. It means it's... That can equal $700 for them. That's huge.

Yeah. Shit. So, but yeah, I just, I, I, I, I deeply fear that if, uh, if he was in a bad, if he had two cups of coffee and he got in front of me and we had a little arguing match, I just feel like the guy's five foot 10 and a beast, he wouldn't argue, he wouldn't argue, and a beast in badly for me. You wouldn't argue. He would not argue.

I'm telling you. This guy's sitting in front of you. It's a different conversation, man. I've never seen that, except for with Big Hurk. I did the Big Herk interview I saw, like, he was stern. You know, that's how these guys are. Listen, when I was in prison, I had a lot more base in my voice. Hey, bro, let me get some, let me get some popcorn.

Let me get some of that. Like, I stopped saying, thank you, please, anything. It's like, no, no, no, no, I got you, bro. I got you. You know, you saw you throw a little bit more base in your voice. You're like, I was a way with a tougher guy in prison. that I got out. You do that.

Yo, yo, Hey, Tommy, Tommy. You know, you do the whole, you know, we, I don't talk like, you know what I'm saying? Like you, you get a little, on the masculine scale, I got a little bit more masculine, you know. These guys are at a, at a 10 and a 12 on the masculine scale person. So I pushed up from maybe a one or a two to a three.

Like, I'm never going to, I'm never going to, I don't have the energy to be a West Washington. No, you know what? There's guys, there's guys that, that I see online or whatever and I end up that they're cool and I end up seeing you know meeting them and I'm like what a fucking asshole and then there's guys to the other extreme like west and I'm like Jesus Christ I love this guy he's so cool he's so like laid back and just so positive in the message and this and that and and it's just it's all over the map man

and again it's what resonates with you and it's how you're feeling at the moment and how you feel about certain values in life and how you should talk to some people and yeah, everybody has that. And I wish I could say that, you know, I agree with you. He's a fucking asshole, but that's not what,

you know what I mean? That's not what, everything has been positive for me. Yeah. You know, I made more money. I've made more relationships. I've got more followers. I've got, just because

I sit and have a conversation with this guy. He makes me, he raises, you know, puts me on another level, which is positive. And you're not like, Like I said, you're, I, you know, I'd love to sit here and say, oh, I've never heard that before. I have, I have heard that before. Listen, I had one guy who, who wanted me to, he was like, he called, and wait, first he, first he, he, like, sent me, whatever it is, a, uh, in, um, Instagram, what are they called?

DM, he DM me, sorry, well, I mean, it just got out. So, he, he DM me, I want to say Messenger, that's Facebook. So he DM me, he's like, bro, I just got off the phone with West Watson. and I am begging you to call me or whatever. He's like, I got to talk to you. This is a fan, right? So I'm like, I don't even know who the guy was. He's like, and I was like, okay.

So he said, yeah, yeah, call me, calls me. Listen, he goes, it was hilarious. He said, I paid $300 or $600 for a 30-minute phone call. He said, he called me a fucking bitch like five times. He hung up on me twice. And he's like, I talked to him all of five minutes. He completely fucking screamed at me. Called me a bitch twice hung up.

I called back. He called me a bitch twice hung up. three more times. He hung up. He yelled at me for fucking five minutes hung up. He said, now he won't answer my thing or my phone at all. And I'm like, did you get the, did he send you the money back? He's like, no, he kept my fucking money. And I'm like, and I, but he was laughing about it. And he said, he said, listen, I will pay the 300 or 600, whatever it was. I don't know what the charge is. He's like, for you to, for you to call him and video the whole thing. I said, I'm not doing that.

I'm not doing that But so I mean I've had guys that You know had And I've also had like I said I've had guys on the program What was the kid's name You remember him?

I don't remember his name But I remember he was Eric or he was It was a regular name But he was on the West Watson Workout thing And then had the Grant Cardone tattoo Oh yeah

And loved He loves West He loves Wes changed his life West this What's that I don't know what happened to him He had been He'd been on drugs.

He'd gotten out. It feels like Wes changed his life. I don't know what's going on with him now. He kept in touch with me for a little bit. And there's been a couple other guys that I have, you know, Thomas Hayden was his name. Thomas Hayden. So there's a couple other guys that I've talked to.

What was the guy who was a former Navy SEAL and he had been in the, I want to say merchant marines, but that's not the kid. That's not it. Oh, wait, the French Foreign Legion. You know, fucking taps all over. Taylor Cabin. Taylor. Taylor loves Wes.

You know, he thinks he's just, you know, a great guy. And Taylor seemed, you know, like a super cool guy. And much more of a man than I'll ever be. It was like a Navy SEAL. A Navy SEAL. And then he, then he got kind of kicked out. I'm going to say he did get kicked. I could be wrong on this.

I don't want to, I don't want to... Did he get kicked out? Yeah, got kicked out of the Navy Seals and then went and... But he was, he's a soldier. Right. You know, went and joined the foreign, uh, the French foreign legion. Like, the fuck does that. Like, I didn't even think it was a real thing.

I actually was in prison and found out it was a real thing, but I still thought, it's an impossibility, right? That doesn't happen. This is, this guy goes and joins a French foreign legion, like, and was in there for, I don't, I'm going to say, whatever, five years, something like that. And he starts doing YouTube videos about, about, training and teaching courses and they basically brought came to him and said look like you can't do this and this we're not going to allow you to and his contract was about to end so he was like okay

well then I'll just write out my contract it was like a few months away and he had I think he had contemplated signing up again because he wanted to be like a career soldier right and this is the kind guy that you want storming the beaches on in normandy you know what I'm saying like this is a fucking serious motherfucker like this is like if you had he's doing damage yeah if you had like 200 of this guy you could take over another country I mean he's that kind of guy and uh but he was like yeah okay and they gave an ultimatum he's like I really like doing this and he felt like he was transforming people's lives and obviously a lot of it was the money um but you know and there's nothing wrong with making money um but but he he was I think was more

about how he was helping people, and I think it made him feel good, and he had a purpose. Right. His big problem with, and you know this. I'm sure anybody who's successful knows, purpose is what it is. All the other stuff can kind of fall as to the wayside.

If you have purpose, you can get through anything. That's it. 100%. Anyway, he loves Wes. Yeah, I mean, even now, when I, when I give something to somebody or when I pay for somebody something or unsolicited, I feel like, like, like so good

yeah you know just because you get I mean you get to a certain point in your life where it's not all me me me now now it's what you can do for somebody else that fills your cup yeah that's oh I feel so good yeah you know to have somebody say you change my life

you know I'm like wow you know I was on I was on Russell Brunson stage you know I have a funnel hacking live Russell Brunson made 90 he made $3 million in 90 minutes on stage the 10X thing

okay i don't anyway uh they gave me an award for uh for selling stuff uh on february 14th this year just track and um to be able to be up there and get off stage and then have people see you in the lobby say oh my god you're you inspired me your story this and that i felt fucking great yeah i was like shit i can't i can't ask for money that can equate to this this kind of uh feeling so to give you know and and change somebody the way they think the way they act now going forward it's just amazing um yeah someday i'll get there uh uh yeah i told you like i told you the next i'm like ah you know can you paint this fine yeah and then you do it and i'm like okay i feel i feel good i'm glad i did that and then they come by like my neighbors i we go and we'll do there

there's an older couple so my wife and i kind of do stuff for them the problem what bothers me is that then they come over they're mastering it's also and they come over and then they want to give you something it's like look this is just me being like generous like if you give me the $50 gift certificate beat the I mean yeah it defeats the purpose like I'm doing this I don't want that this is just goodwill like you don't understand goodwill apparently right you know you want to send me a card great but I noticed you put a $50 gift certificate in the car it's not what it's about yeah so you know and they and boy let me tell you she's not having it like you can't give it back

to her you can't uh you know and she's she's an old lady i can't get well you know what too i i see i see the other side too because you know they feel like you know what let me feel the way i want to feel by giving you something yeah this card's great you know so so yeah just like we feel good giving is doing something they feel good giving something but then like you know it comes in exchange i feel like i'll be old someday you know and i know i'm going to need that right you know um The Wes Watson, so let's do one more thing. Can we talk one more thing on Wes? Yeah.

And then you can go because you have a four-hour drive. One-a-half-hour drive. Although I like that drive. It was calm for me. Well, I don't know if I wouldn't like it probably in that 9-11, bro. Well, I mean, look. Is that something comfortable? It's comfortable.

Okay. You're just like this morning, I left my house at 6.30, and I'm turning the corner and the car stops running. I'm like, I cannot call this guy and tell him that I'm not going to, I will fucking buy a ticket on a plane. Just because I don't, I'm always on time or even, you know, earlier because that's how, look, if I'm late to one strip show, I'm late to all five. So I was trained by default. I have to be on time or early so I can make all my shows on time. I start at six. I'm finished by midnight and everything has to be on time.

If I fuck up one, I fuck them all up. Right. And now they don't want to because they rent the place for an hour. if I'm a half hour late now there goes my fucking show and so I left this morning I turned the corner up I'm like what the fuck no no it's got to be it's got to be gas it's got to be gas so I called an Uber got an Uber to the gas station bought a 40 $40 fucking tank filled it up with $50 went back putting the gas it started thank God does your gas gauge not work did you it's a 1777 car so the gas gauge it kind of sticks.

You know, that's the problem with 9-11s. Like, they've been making the same body. Like, you don't know if it's a brand new one, which is cool, it's cool, but from my perspective, it's like, it looks newer. That could be 25 years. They could be 30 years old. It could be a year old.

Right. You know? Yeah, so it was the gas gauge. And so halfway up here, I filled it up to the top, and thankfully I made it. But it's always a worry, you know. But it made it here fine. Well, so the, the, the, the west, so he got into a

fight. Yeah. So right away, a lot of people know that, you know, he's my coach. Yeah. And so the first thing I'm getting is DMs. Bro, what the fuck? What's wrong with your coach? I'm like, first of all, what the fuck are you calling me telling me what's wrong my coach? My coach is my coach. That's him. Just call me and say hi to me, you motherfucker. Right? Like, fuck. And so I go and I'm looking at the thing. I'm like, what the fuck? The guy walks into the gym. He's not a member. He paid the day fee. you clearly see him on the video post his phone up against the machine so he can video whatever's about to happen the guy goes up to west west is sitting on the bench talking to his boys normal conversation couple guys in the gym and he goes to west and he pushes him okay and then there's a guy here

and he goes like that to the guy i don't give a shit who you are you don't go to any fucking gym unsolicited go to a guy like Wes all tatted up and push him for what reason so you understand

the other side of that is that Wes is continually posting if you have a problem with me come to the fucking gym and we'll go

one on one out we'll go outside one on one but when he got there it didn't go one on one

the other guys jump in they're grabbing you know equipment you know which is why they arrested Wes. Like, had Wes said, all right, bro,

let's go outside and walked outside. I think it would have been a totally different situation. And West may have still beat the crap out of him. I don't know. Is it on video that the guys were beating the dude? I didn't see that on video. Yeah, yeah. If you watch the video, there's, I can,

I'll send you the, the breakdown from Johnny Bravo does a whole thing where the guys are grabbing. Figure what the weight the one guy grabs. they kick him when he's on the ground like multiple guys jump in another one I don't know about you but he's he's not a danger he hadn't been in danger in quite a while

yeah same thing that happened to me yeah I was out cold what fucking day you are I so I mean it only goes on and on and the other guys if you watch it like the other guys they grab like a weight they you know and when Wes hits him with the the belt they're going to consider that a weapon they'll the cops i mean the the government

will consider anything a weapon you know so it's i mean it goes on and on so you know it's it's it's basically it's like i think it's like four on one and when the guy is ends up on the ground and all of them are kind of kicking him and holding him down and and punching him and hitting it like at no point did anybody stop it the guy physically he he never swung him on him he pushed him you know which listen going to the gym and and going to the gym and pushing him you know listen i'm from florida that's enough we can fight i can fight you beat your fucking ass you hit the fucking ground you're done might even be able to kick you a couple of times until you're no longer and this guy stumbles away like he's crawling away at this point you get to do that it's florida

stand your ground i get to do that right um your buddies are jumping in with weapons you've got a weapon you hit the guy 60 some odd times on the ground on his knees you're punching him you're kicking him in the face multiple times on the on his knees he's not you know he's he's he's on his knees trying to basically get away or at least on his knee looking the other way you're running up behind him and kicking him and kicking them. I mean, to me, that's a bad situation. And what makes it even worse, one, I could see your adrenaline getting away with you, right? Like, I was young ones.

It was a long time ago, but I was young. Oh, you're thinking is red. You know, yeah, you do. You get that tunnel vision and you're not thinking anything, you know, and it's hard to, I think if there's any, like, if you were a woman, I don't know that you ever know that women ever get to that point, but most guys, high testosterone, you work out. you get that tunnel vision. I'm surprised that the staff member didn't get knocked out.

I'm shocked. Well, I'm shocked. I think he jumped in, but when West didn't stop, he realized like, I'm going to get pulled in. And I don't want to be in this mix. This is not going to work out well for me. But I think that he got tunnel vision. And now it's, the problem is he's now, there's been multiple videos that have come out. There's a video that came out the other day where this kid was live streaming. And he's live streaming. And I want to say they were in a restaurant. I couldn't tell. I didn't watch the whole thing.

I just watched the interaction with them. But the guy's like, hey, man, you're Wes Watson, bro. What's up? And Wes goes, he's like, he's like, hey, man, what happened the other day? He says something about it the other day. And Wes was like, yeah, man, this guy comes into the gym and he attacks me. And I just defended myself. And, and, you know, and I beat his ass.

And now they arrested me and they're acting like. And he downplays the whole thing. He acts like he had. nothing to do with it. And keep in mind, they're going to, in court, you go to trial, they're going to play, you're inviting people in, come fight me, come fight me. Like, you didn't do any of the things you said you were going to say, you come down, we'll go one on one. You didn't do that. You and your four buddies, or your three buddies, jumped in on the guy, grabbed weapons, beat the guy to the ground, kept him on the ground, and then you just basically beat his ass and continue to kick him

while your buddies are around. That guy may have been a fear of his life. He's thinking, And probably if I stand back up, these guys jump back on me. He's just sitting there hoping it ends. West just has a ball kicking him. So to me, I get the tunnel vision. There's some stuff that's forgivable, in my opinion. I think probably because of Wes's past, he's probably going to do some jail time. And he says in the video with the guy that was live streaming, he says, yeah, man, they're saying I'm going to, they're going to try.

He doesn't, West doesn't realize they're still live streaming because at some point he even says like this is just between you and me with the guy's live streaming. It's him and a couple buddies and he's a live streamer. And he says, yeah, man, I forget the exact amount. I want to say it was three years. He says, yeah, they're trying to give me three years. It might have been more. But he, yeah, I remember thinking, because he's trying to give me three years, but he's like, I'm going to get it, but I'm going to get it down. I'm going to try and get it down some more. And I thought, okay, let's say you get it cut in half. It's 18 months. You know, let's say you get good time with that. Let's say you do a year, you know. Who wants to do that? First of all, you've got, look at, if you, assuming you are making $2 million a month. And that's hard for me to believe.

Unfortunately, I've talked to people that know, and they say he's making $2 million. You know, I mean, he's not lying about it. I know that. I know, but you understand I want him to be lying. So, so you got a prejudice. I know. You got such a prejudice. But, you know, I'm also open-minded.

Like, I can see my prejudice. And I'm like, oh, it makes me so mad. You know, but, but it's like, you were making $2 million a year. Like, like, your, his ego is so out of control. I'll bet you when Wes walked out of prison, he was a driven person. I think he's still driven. but I bet he was a phenomenal individual that was humble and appreciative and had the right attitude probably until he started making money and then his ego got away with him

and for you to be making $2 million a month and allow yourself to you know to push your to get in that situation first of all you got your buddies with you're not in trouble and this guy pushes you could have said hey hey hey listen bro I'm going to call the police. Like, no, fuck you. Why was in your DMs and you, you fucking mouthed off to me. You said, come down here. You told me to come down here. Fuck you. Like, whatever the situation is that the guy felt to come down there. A lot of guys are saying that there's something mentally wrong with the guy. You can't have nothing mentally wrong with you if you know purposely to set up a camera to film your shit. Right, right. How the fuck's that even

possible? I hear you. I'm just saying what people are saying. I don't know. But people were saying like that guy was kind of slow. He wasn't. First of all, you've got to be slow to go down there to again with you and walk in there with if i walked in even if i wanted had a problem with you and i walked in and saw you and said you know here's what i'm not going to do i'm not going to walk him yeah motherfucker when you've got four guys yeah of your buddies who look like absolute beasts i'm not going to mouth i don't give a fuck how tall you are like that was a dumb move uh but what i'm saying is he he escalated it so far past the point where it's stand your ground it was he had he had to stand your ground he just went so far past that and now he's looking at doing time it was a

stupid decision and what compounding it is this they're offering three years and everybody that you meet you're playing the victim yeah man can you believe that now they want this like this guy came to me like stop it bro like you know he should do he should he should he should listen to his buddy Brad Lee. He should turn around it because you're already fucked. What did Brad say? No. Well, what I'm saying Brad, Brad had the, the presence of mind to know I made a mistake.

I'm going to, I'm going to be a man. I'm going to own up to my mistake. I fucked up. I'm going to do the right thing. And he needs to, because not that he has any choice at this point. Well, he could go to trial. He could make that argument. Then he ends up with six years.

his best bet is to take the plea go in front of the court actually his best bet is to make a fucking video and say I re-looked at the video I looked at the video and I fucked up I'm a 100% guilty of that it was stupid I had a state when the guy first came in he did this and this and I did this

and I had a case I you know my adrenaline shot up I don't know what the fuck I was doing I then did this did this that was stupid I got out of control you know you guys don't understand my fucking ego lately has been insane I had this thing and start just go ahead and just take reevaluate his life and look at it and say look there was a point when I started making money and I just got stupid and if he did that and said look and I'm not the person I'm not a happy person I'm not the person I want to be I'm not the person that I want people to follow I'm not the person, like, because I'm sure that's happening.

There's no fucking way that he's behaving the way he behaves, and he's honestly and genuinely a happy person. He, every video I see, he's bragging about how much money he is. He's bragging about this. He's calling everybody losers. You can't possibly be happy spending your life, walking around, telling everybody they're a loser, and you're a wonderful fucking person, and then you're not even in control enough of yourself that you hit this guy over fucking 60-something times.

You kick him in the fucking head. Come on, bro. You're trying to kill him? If I kicked you If you lay down right now and sat there and I kicked you in the head twice There's a damn good chance I kill you And I'm not a fucking huge guy

But you kick someone in the head They could fucking die I know a guy who got kicked in the head And 10 years later He's laying in bed in prison And he wakes up And his eye shifts sideways Because he had torn the muscle

10 years ago Inside of his eye And it shifted sideways Because he happened to lay wrong in bed 10 years later lost his fucking eye because you know how well they take care of you in prison

yeah so I mean this damage like these and he's not stupid there's West may be a lot of things he's not dumb like I've never said he's an idiot I've called him a cartoon character which he is

but you know he looks like he's massive you know so it's not even an insult but the point is is that at this point he's if he truly is smart and truly is a self-aware person

he needs to sit kick back and reevaluate his life life because if he goes in front of the judge or goes in front of the prosecutor, more like, and sits down and has a serious talk, make a settlement with the guy, apologize. I'd apologize to my friends that I put in that position because you're their leader, bro. You knew better. You've got to make smart decisions. No offense.

I've talked to you long enough here. We talked before we talked here. I don't think you would have made that decision. I think that guy would have pushed you and you would have said, hey, what the fuck are you? Like, I'm not really in danger here. The fuck are you doing, bro. Yeah. You this, you that.

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'd have tried to talk the guy down. Let's calm down. We're grown men. I don't want to get to a fist fight. Do I want to be in a position where I can defend myself if it happens? Of course. Right. Of course.

But I'm not going to have a fight. I'm certainly not going to let my buddies jump in. You're damn not going to grab that 15 pound dumbbell and punch it this guy. That's never going to fucking happen. Not on my watch. I would have invited him outside. Yeah. that problem's right that the thing yeah let's go outside you guys going no no don't stay here

I don't want them to think you're going to jump in let's get in the car let's go somewhere because the truth is if we say hey look you know what let's not fight in the parking lot because these guys are here I want you to feel cook let's get in the car and drive by the time you got to the parking lot in the McDonald's two miles down I think both of you would have calmed down and it's over you're too grown man you can talk this out you the west is mouthing off to people calling them names and I know multiple guys that he's called names and said shit to and, you know, whatever. I think it's, I think, I think if you're a smart person, you don't have to do that.

But, but, but, and I don't think people are going to follow you for that. And I get being harsh. I get being aggressive or assertive. But I think he just, I think he fucked up. And I think that he is making, he probably is making a huge impact in a lot of people's lives. And I think, so let's say, Wes, fuck that. You want to go to prison. you don't have a problem going to prison

and fuck that dude and fuck this and let's say that's how you feel okay well if you truly care about the people that you think you're changing their lives or maybe you and like I said I've got multiple examples where he's changing people's lives and people are telling me so you're changing people's lives

if you truly care about the people's lives that you're change you want to change and you feel like you're a positive influence in their life then if you don't mind going back to prison then don't go back to prison for them because you're making up, you're making an impact

in people's lives and you're helping people that need your help, then what do you give a fuck if your fucking ego is bruised? So some guy came in the gym and called you a name and pushed you. Give a fuck. This guy's opinion shouldn't mean anything. His opinion of me should mean nothing more than that stick

of furniture. It means nothing. Let's talk him down. Because it takes a bright person to be able to talk somebody down who's ready to fucking fight and looks like that guy. I just think there's so many other better ways he could have handled that. And instead, I think his ego got in the way. And now, you know, I don't know Florida law. It looks to me like he's going to do a couple of years. Florida law is vicious, man.

I mean. And he's got a huge record. And he's got a huge record for violence. Yeah. Florida, I mean, look, I didn't even, I didn't even hurt the guy. And I went to jail. I didn't even hurt the guy. Right. I swung at him. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, if you were to hit him, him, you would have killed him. But I didn't hit him. Yeah. He fucking destroyed my face. So he walks off free. Right. Florida law is fucked. You know, I know. Well, Florida law, I mean, I, I get it, but that once again, here's the problem with that. That's a stay in your ground. Do you see what saying? It's a stay on your ground. Like, I get it. It didn't work exactly the way it probably should. But, but it doesn't have that at this point, you know? And you saw how wrong it can go for you.

What's it going to happen? Let's say he goes to jail for a couple years. How many millions of dollars? I don't think it helps him at all. I don't think it helps the people that he represents. And there are people that look to him for guidance. It doesn't help them. You can't, grown men don't go around fist fighting, right?

Like, you have to take care of yourself. I understand that. You have to be able to defend yourself. But we weren't really defending yourself. Like, I just think that it's only his best bet is to own up to it and get, listen. maybe get an agreement with this guy right you get a lawyer you go to that guy you pay him some money maybe he doesn't testify i'm not saying that i don't know exactly how that works exactly because i know you get people he doesn't testify or whatever it is maybe you get an agreement

between your lawyer and this guy's lawyer that he goes to the prosecutor and says look we're going to settle this here i'm not going to press charges and they florida can still say fuck you we are pressing charges we got a slam dunk case we got a video but maybe he says he's yeah, I understand, but I'm not going to testify, you know? You're going to have a hard time without me there or somebody there to corroborate that that video. Maybe that's the goal. But to not own up to it.

If I'm fucked, if I'm fucked and I know I'm going to have to go to jail and I have the money that he has, again, I'm fucked. There's nothing, there's no way out for me. Right. I'd make that guy a millionaire tomorrow if we agree. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's making fucking video. He's setting it up so he can make a video.

for what for views likes and possibly a plaque like that so he can get paid forget about that plaque let's let me pay you here what you're looking to get right and let's just fucking i got a lot of people's lives i got to save you got your life made now with me giving you this and let's just throw this shit in garbage and let's move forward if he could work that look i i'm west isn't stupid if he could if he could make that happen he would he would he would make it i think he would he's not he's gonna be like fuck that dude he's not that stupid at this point once he got those handcuffs placed on him and he went through processing again. You know it felt horrible.

You know that you reevaluate your fucking, you reevaluate your priorities real fast. Start thinking about, I just want to hug my kid. I just want to see my mom. I just want to, you know, like all those things that were a pain in the ass before, you're like, I just want to do this, do that. I'll move out of the house. If I could just live in some of the spare room, I'll go work at McDonald's. You know, like anything.

All right. It doesn't take long. Yeah, you know what, nobody wants to go back in, bro. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. You know, and in an instant, I can go out the window. If I would have hit that guy, I would have been gone. Yeah. Furthermore, if I would have let that thing gone through that I made the call, I would have been gone. Yeah. I didn't even think about going back in.

But you, you know, which is funny because it's funny that that happens because that was kind of an epiphany. I mean, like I know the whole story. You didn't, you know, tell the exact whole story with the whole story is much better. And that what. West was such an integral part of that story is, you know, it is, you know, it, it, it says something there too. Like his book fell out. His book is that you picked it up.

You happened to see something that you thought, wow. Like, you know what? Let me make that call. You want to see what I look like? Oh, fucking my battery died. I was going to show you that. I got a thing. I got a charger right there.

Oh, shit. It's been there. Yeah. You working? Yeah, of course. Yeah, I'm going to show you what I look like We can't recognize me It was

Again, broken jaw Split lip Orbital broken Is that what the scars from? No, that this one, this scar is here Okay This scar is from the broken nose The orbiter was shattered

The cheek was broken It was Well, they put you back They rebuilt you pretty good Yeah, that's what everybody says I was, I had my wire My jaw was wired for eight weeks

that was fucked bro I was drinking through a straw I couldn't fucking eat you know I had to fucking wash my fucking I couldn't brush my teeth I had to gargle with that shit it was it was a horror man

you know and just because I lost I should what I should have done was call the cops yeah right and it's ego we talk about ego

can you explain what happened or no okay that's fine I just want to want to make sure because yeah yeah yeah I know you can't explain it that's fine but I just want to make sure that

I'm clarified yeah I just he made a he made a call that would have been it would have been had things gone progressed with the the phone call

it would have been irreversible and could have led to some very bad situation for him you said that yeah I just wanted to make sure that that you guys weren't like mixing up conversation before or after no no no I just I probably just you know

Yeah, it was, and I, and I just, what was it, like two months ago was, was when I went to court and they agreed on of five year probation, five fucking years probation. I got five years probation. What the fuck did I do? Right. And so, to add insult to injury, this fucking guy comes into the court on a Zoom after they sentenced me. and he goes yeah i think the court is making a mockery of the system i looked at my lawyer he goes it can't reverse it once it's done you signed already so let him talk

he goes i had to move out of miami for fear of my life and move to orlando you know my wife which is my ex my wife you know we feared for our life and the judge said wait a minute you're six foot something he's five foot something you're two hundred and some pounds he's a hundred look, I don't know about you, but I've never had, because he said, I had to drive two, I had to move two hours away to Orlando. I don't know how fast you drive, but it's never taken me four and a half, two hours

to go to Orlando, she says. So I don't know where you moved, but look, he wanted to get me arrested. He wanted me to go in. She goes, I can put him in jail and give him 30 days, but once he's out, he's got no probation. He can go and finish your job. Right. So you, I mean, it's up to you.

Right now he's on probation for five years. He goes anywhere near you. He's going back in. Right. So the guy was fucking pissed. I'm like, dude, stop being a little bitch. You're fucking like six for something, 2.30. You know, I mean, I wasn't going to run from you.

I mean, I'm, you know, from New York. We don't run from anybody. We take the hits. We take the licks. And whoever man, the last man standing, stay standing. And here in Florida, shit, you're fucking going in. You can't even. And with all the rats and video shit, that's out?

Yeah, the problem. You do understand the problem Like we have stand your ground You just can't go pick up a 45 pound dumbbell I mean barbell and swing it at people Like that's the problem So that's where it broke down So the threat the threat means nothing

Whatever I ignore the threat's fine You can you can have a fist fight You're allowed to have a fist fight But you're not allowed to grab a weapon That's why I was saying like with the West thing When he grabs the belt It hits him He's a weapon

He's 236 something I'm not I mean I can go out of me Right I hear you But you weren't in immediate danger he made a threat you closed the door you call the cops you see what I'm saying like it's it that's to stay in your ground the sound your ground isn't you know it's not hey I'm gonna go buy grab a weapon and come after you that's where it broke down like you see I'm saying you have to you have to understand that the fact that listen most states and countries don't have stand your ground

Canada you kicking your front fucking door walk in your house you're not allowed to use definitely force to get me out like in California like that that's the kind of thing no no if that person's coming at you. It's your duty to run. I have to run. He's trying to fight me and beat me up and take my stuff. I have to run. Yes. Oh, come on, man. Stop it. It's not right. You know, so it's, it's in Florida like, you know, you keep saying that, but you're missing the one little piece. Right. Which is the weapon. They call it aggravated. Yeah. So, what a deadly weapon. Is that what your record says? I was, I was aggravated. So, but, you know, the funny thing is that, you know, in that moment, you don't think about that.

No, nobody does. So, you know, I don't, in hindsight, could I have done shit different? Yeah, could he have done shit different? Yeah. Could the dude that walked in, done? Of course. Of course.

Yeah, I'm not going to defend him for going down for, like, I've never been, and listen, I promise you, I've had much, much worse stuff said about me than West Watson's ever said about him, okay? Because, you know, I am a rat. Like I cooperated. I desperately was ready to cut every motherfucker's throat to get out of prison to save my fucking ass. So I've been called, you're a rat, you're a scumbag, you're absolutely.

And I had to weigh, there came a choice where I had to weigh the respect of my fellow inmates or my, or 12 years off my sentence. And I said, fuck it. So whenever somebody's like, yo, bro, yeah, man, you're a rat. You know what I never say? Fuck you, you don't know the fucking, I am a rat, but I'm free. Right. I'll take that rat. Like, I don't even have it.

I don't even have the luxury of being able to say, you're wrong. And I'm not going to get upset about it because it's true, because that's the label you're willing to to wear for 12 years of freedom. You're damn right it is. But I'm willing to accept that. And I've never denied it. Do you know how many people come on this, on this podcast that will tell their whole story? and then they're like yeah and I got caught you know and they caught me with you know

five uh five kilos of of H and and I'm sitting there and they're like yeah so you know I got my lawyer and you know we fought it and this and you know so I ended up with three years you're three five kilos I don't say anything though you know what I sit there and do I'm like right

right right and I'm thinking this is this guy's third time in prison five kilos you know and you're sitting there going and three years. The math doesn't matter. And I'm like, and then, of course, you know, and then later,

and this is multiple times where I've had guys call me beforehand or after the, they're like, they're like, yo, bro, you know, I didn't want to mention it.

But, and they probably realized that when they saw, when they said it, I was like, and I was, they probably realized like, fuck, he knows. Yeah.

You know, and sometimes they'll throw other things in there, like, oh, and this. And, you know, so there was a witness that wouldn't like stop it bro that don't mean shit in federal court right they'll get three

fucking guys that you were locked up within the unit to testify to what that was they was going to say they'll they'll they'll get people to perjure themselves everything so stop it you're not going to win it wasn't because they had a weak case that's not what happened they had a good case you wishes they had a week right you you cooperated which is fine you cooperate it's fine so so i you know like i've had them come on and then afterwards they they'll tell me like yo bro you know i cooperated but i didn't want to say nothing i didn't want this i don't want to of that that's fine it's not it's not up to me to put you out there that's up to you that's fine but like to me i've never not done that because i've always thought you cooperated you're a

fucking rat and if somebody says you're a rat you're a fucking rat and if somebody says how'd you get out you got 26 years how'd you get out in fucking 13 years i snitched on every motherfucker i could think of didn't really work by the way i didn't get any of those guys i then ended up doing a couple of interviews for i did an interview for a dateline and american greed I then had to file a 2255 and could then get the judge to get me a lawyer. And then the government eventually negotiated with me. They negotiated with me. And eventually I get 12 years off.

And I rat it on a fucking guy that I was in prison with. So I got seven years and 15 years. I got 12 years off. But I'll never not say I did that because that's just the way it is. Dear God. Yeah. Holy God. Yep.

Oh, this is horrific. Oh, this is bad. You look like you're going to lose your eye. I can see how you're so swollen, like how would they even know what the fucking fix? They gotta wait till it goes down. They couldn't, man. That she was... Insane.

But, yeah, but back to the West Watson, like, as bad as things have been said to me, like, I'm not... It wouldn't matter if the guy was 120 pounds. I'm just not going to have a fuck. I'm not just going to start... I'm not going to beat somebody's ass because they came and they yelled at me a little bit and they embarrassed me or whatever. or whatever the case may be he just got out of control he needs to just he needs to re-evaluate his

his behavior because that many people that are saying you're a horrific person and yelling at you and calling you and people that are going against west for the things that you're saying it's not because they're wrong it's because you're calling people losers that are not losers and you're telling people that if they don't make so much money they're losers and that's not true and you're telling people that if they're 15 pounds overweight they're a fucking scumbag and they're a loser and piece of garb you know it's you need to reevaluate yourself And he can fix all of this. He can change, he can change, he can go through this whole thing and come out a better human

being than he ever was. He just needs to keep reminding himself of when he first got out of prison and, and try and humble himself and be appreciative for what he has. That's what I think he needs to do. And in the end, I think he'd be a better person for that. And he'd help a lot more people. He can still be an asshole and tell people that, you know, because you get out of fucking bed, motherfucker.

He can still do that. because people, some of these guys obviously need that when he's like, you know, I've seen some of the videos where he's, you know, some guys like, yeah, Wes, I'm doing this. You're not doing shit. You've been doing for two fucking weeks, bro. It hadn't been a month. You know, like I've seen those videos, right? And they're comical. But I also get that. Like, these guys are like, they've been doing it. Well, they had a good month. And they think they're going to go out and buy a fucking Mercedes. And it's like, stop, bro. You've had one good month. Yeah. It's not going to happen. So he doesn't have bad advice. He just, you know, 90% of it, like I said. Yeah, he's on point. He's. He's. that point. It's just, you know. Yeah. And I mean, obviously, it's, in some points it's gone bad. He just needs to fix it. And he can fix it. He can. He's not stupid. You know, he's a lot of, like I said, he's a lot of things, but he's not stupid. I'm sure he'll fix it. He'll fix it. Got to. Dan, if he goes into, if he goes into prison, he could probably, you know, who knows,

he could, listen, prison has done amazing things for a lot of people. I mean, it's a horrible environment. I wouldn't wish it on it really, anybody probably. Well, that's true. murders and shit and violent crime. Oh, Wes. He probably should go for a little bit. But he could go there and it could be transformative and he could come out a better person and if he takes a good look at himself and says, hey, I got myself here. Not this guy didn't get me here.

That guy didn't get you there. You got you there. Actually, for the first couple of years when I went to prison, I bitched and moaned. And I did the whole thing like, I could have got a probation. I didn't deserve this. I did that for like a year or two. And I remember my cousin was like my cousin said he was in prison. too he was like he was like yeah you need to stop bitching bro nobody wants to

fucking hear you bitch and I was the medium like I'm sitting at a table complaining about my 26 years this guy these two guys are dying in prison this guy's got to do like a hundred years you know before he's getting out like all these guys are dying and I'm complaining about they're like oh you got an out date it's like oh fuck so you know it's if you know so I bitched for a year or two and then I realized like stop fucking bitching bro. And then when I eventually I eventually wrote a memoir and as I wrote, when I wrote the memoir, you do a lot of self

inflection and you kind of go, you start to realize like, why did I do that? Like, I always say that I did that because of this, but the truth is no, that was my ego. I didn't want to take a step backwards. So I faked this and forged

this and did this. That's why I did that because I didn't want to say, I didn't want to go to my dad and say, can I borrow some money? Right. So instead, I forged this and fake this and this and borrowed $150,000. Yeah, that's the way to go. And the fact that the bank lost $150,000, fuck them.

And then it's like, okay, yeah, but you committed fraud. You didn't earn that money. That money spent very, very quickly, you know, and it was all ego-driven. Ego, ego, every bad decision I made my entire life was based on ego. And that's what I see Wes Watson doing. And I don't have the ability to change people's lives the way he does that he could really do some amazing things and he's ruining it by being an asshole. Like just don't be, you can be turn the 10 down to 8 and you'd probably do a lot better and you're not stupid. You don't have to be that obnoxious and abusive like and realize that you.

put yourself in this situation and you probably need to go to jail and but you can change a lot and especially now that he's out he can set himself up for jail he'll be great when he gets out but you got to realize that you put yourself in jail not because that guy showed up because you invited that guy to come he invited this guy he's got multiple things where he's telling people come to the gym we'll go one-on-one one-on-one one-on-one well i don't know what one-on-one means to him but that wasn't one-on-one so hopefully he does

you know he does work it out because like I said like you just said like there's a ton of people that he's probably really really helping you know you're one of them

yeah so I just think he's he's doing a huge disservice to the people that he could probably help I'm sure he'll figure it out either way yeah are we good

how long was what a fucking dumb Rant, that was for me. And he asked me, you think it'll last an hour? Oh, yeah. I fucking talked an hour. You know, in the comment section, they're going to be like, bro, I'm here to fucking listen to this dude's story.

They say, you're like, Bradley, what happened? Yeah, motherfucker. It's going to be the same thing. I don't have to, I'll send you, give me three, three, four days after the podcast. I'll send you a text. Oh, shit. It's good, though. Your story's good.

Thank you. It's going to be good. It's going to be a good podcast. We threw some curve balls in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to get a bunch of shorts out of it. You're going to get a bunch of, you're going to get a bunch of views. You're going to get a bunch of, I always want to say attention.

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