Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)

Episode Date: November 26, 2024

Achille Currado shares how he was scammed as a cop. Get 50% sitewide for a limited time. Just visit https://GhostBed.com/cox and use code COX at checkout. Do you want to be a guest? Fill out the form https://forms.gle/5H7FnhvMHKtUnq7k7 Send me an email here: [e-mail] Do you extra clips and behind the scenes content? Subscribe to my Patreon: https://patreon.com/InsideTrueCrime 📧Sign up to my newsletter to learn about Real Estate, Credit, and Growing a Youtube Channel: https://mattcoxcourses.com/news   🏦Raising & Building Credit Course: https://mattcoxcourses.com/credit 📸Growing a YouTube Channel Course: https://mattcoxcourses.com/yt 🏠Make money with Real Estate Course: https://mattcoxcourses.com/re Follow me on all socials! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/insidetruecrime/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matthewcoxtruecrime Do you want a custom painting done by me? Check out my Etsy Store: https://www.etsy.com/shop/coxpopart Listen to my True Crime Podcasts anywhere: https://anchor.fm/mattcox Check out my true crime books! Shark in the Housing Pool: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0851KBYCF Bent: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BV4GC7TM It's Insanity: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08KFYXKK8 Devil Exposed: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TH1WT5G Devil Exposed (The Abridgment): https://www.amazon.com/dp/1070682438 The Program: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0858W4G3K Bailout: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/bailout-matthew-cox/1142275402 Dude, Where's My Hand-Grenade?: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BXNFHBDF/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1678623676&sr=1-1 Checkout my disturbingly twisted satiric novel! Stranger Danger: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BSWQP3WX If you would like to support me directly, I accept donations here: Paypal: https://www.paypal.me/MattCox69 Cashapp: $coxcon69

I was a good cop who got conned by one of the smartest guys in the world. Looking back on the story, I just, I feel like a fool. Something I deal with every day. How could I let that happen? How can I let this guy destroy my life? Darko Giovanovitch, the time I met him, he was a fraudster from Windsor. He had to convince people for like two years that he was a doctor. He was doing like analysis and stuff.

He was scamming people at tens of thousands of dollars. I think there was like 17. victims and he just didn't care like you know he hit one of the victims was a young girl and he said that she had a brain lesion and he said and he said he claimed that he had like um uh ability to kind he had like privileges across in in detroit so he diagnosed this girl with a brain lesion and then told the family look you know i set up an MRI and treatment for you in detroit cost $58,000 I think it was you can I've already paid for it you can you can pay me in like you know you know every month or something like that right and so he gets convicted he does a little

bit of jail time the cup in Canada they don't give a lot of people I think he did eight months or something and then he was in london now when I met him he introduced himself to me as aaron barack and he said he was an engineer and how I met him was I was selling my car And I live in an okay neighborhood and like an old Lexus RX that he needed to kind of sell. And so he calls me and says, hey, look, I'm an engineer, I'm busy. I've got my own consulting company. You know, I'd like to, you know, take a look at your car. Can I come next week?

And I said, yeah, no problem. You know, like just call me back and other people are interested. so comes back the week after and calls me up and pulls up he's driving like a like a mint of lexas ls i think was a 400 450 whatever it was it was an older one but it was like pristine and it comes up and gives him the store actually showed up said he was israeli said that um he was jewish wasraeli whatever and he brought a bottle of wine, you know, to see the car. I'm like, man, that's, that's strange. He goes, oh, I'm Israeli.

That's what we do. We don't show up to people's houses without something. I'm like, okay, you know, I've never met an Israeli before. So you're telling me that. And so he looks at the car and he's like, oh, yeah, I'm very interested. You know, it's for my stepson, going through a divorce. But, you know, I'll make sure my stepson has a car. so he goes but i'll call you back and i'll come back and see it so he befriends me and make a long

story short he befriends me like you know he's like i don't tell him much about who i am like you know but you know he wants to get together he wants to meet over lunch about you know his divorce and stuff he's going through a rough time um so we become friends and you know he's a nice enough guy and eventually, actually, I meet his mom. And the funny part of this whole story is that his mom kind of supports everything he says. And his mom's like, she said she was 80. She's probably like 65, whatever. She said she was a Holocaust survivor, you know.

Probably never been to Germany. No, never been to Germany. Never left Canada. I'll tell you anything he said about himself. Like when we get into the story, man, I'll tell you like, that guy had my head like spinning all the time, spinning all the time. he was talking about police corruption like he was talking about and i didn't know at the time but he actually had friends who were police officers from before he went to windsor and um and i think you know he told them that he was a dentist and because it came it came out in disclosure

because they interviewed some of these guys and he said that he was a dentist and he was always making up stories but if you know anything about sociopaths they just learn from their past mistakes you You know what I mean? Like, you know, he just got better and better and better at telling stories and making up lies. So you guys start to kind of build like a friendship. Yeah, and he starts doing favors for me. Like, I'll tell you my mindset at the time. Like, my mom was really sick and my family means everything to me. He knows that.

And or he knew, it was very easy to see. So my mom had this issue where. She had an ulcer on the bottom of her leg. And the ulcer was like, man, it was horrible. It was just spreading and spreading and spreading. It's a side effect of some of the medication she was on for her blood. And the doctors weren't doing anything. And she's like always in pain, screaming in pain.

I'm like, well, hey man, like, if the doctors aren't going to do anything, I knew a lady in Toronto that had a hyperbaric oxygen center. And I had a concussion from a car accident a few years before. And I went there for some treatment. and we became friends so I called her up and like hey what can we do and she's like well we can do something like you know with non-healing wounds hyperbaric therapy often really helps but toronto's two hours away so I end up going off on stress leave to take my mom there and my mom's like getting worse and worse and probably to the point where they have to cut off her leg um like at the at the

knee because it's just not healing and when you looked at it it was just like raw meat all the way around her leg. So I'm all stressed out about that. I get a doctor's note saying, hey, you know what, like you're off. I talk to my doctor's like, yeah, totally. I can understand the stress you're under. You know, you're off. So from Monday to Friday, I'm in Toronto with my mom. I have to rent a place there. It is like crazy. Like in the mornings, we're going to hyperbaric therapy. They have to go to the wound care center because, you know, they're wrapping up her leg and treating her. Then I found this amazing, amazing TCM practitioner. His name was Dr. Chow. He passed away, but he was a Qigong master as well. And the guy was just him and my mom just hit it off. She really, like for

pain management, everything. Like we went there three times a week and he really, really helped save her life. And just a great, great guy. Anyway, so I'm under a lot of stress. So he's actually, I remember him saying, oh, you know, I know, I know a Jewish doctor. in Toronto. Don't worry about it. I know you can't get to your doctor because work right now, like I've only been off like two weeks, but they just want me back to work, give him the doctor wrote a note. So, you know, he's like, don't worry about it. You know, I know you can't get to your doctor. I've got a Jewish buddy you can go see in Toronto. So he sets me up with this doctor and I go and see him and say, look, this is a situation, man. My head's spinning here.

And he's like, writes me a note. it into work you know and like hey man thanks for that you know like you know i i can't i can't get to see my doctor because of the situation and then slowly like you know he just does more more favors and like he's he's you know he's always you know he's just i'm as the story goes on and we'll talk probably more about this but you know like he has a dead brother that died in in Israel and you know his mom and him say oh you remind me so much of them such a kind man you know what I mean like so I'm like this replacement in their family of their dead brother and dead son you know I mean like so he's you know it goes on and on like you know it'll take

three hours to talk about how he kind of calm me into it but okay sorry we're gonna ask something just saying okay so so you I mean he's so what happens with your mom and him how does it move forward or what well so the story goes on like you know like I have to kind of give you a sidebar so about a year before that before I went to Toronto to take my mom I had dated this girl and her name was Claudia and she was a doctor she lived in near Toronto and we kind of hit it off so we dated for a few months and her ex was this fireman and her ex was like extremely jealous they had this little i think gabby was like two years old at the time their daughter and they had been separated for i think maybe like eight months a year before we started dating and um so he had got one of his police buddies

he didn't know what i did but he'd see my car at her house so he had one of his police buddies drive buy, I run my plate and get my name and my address and everything. And so he made this post on something called Cheaterville. And, you know, I didn't even know anything about it. I get a phone call from my friend like months and months later says, hey, I was running your name on the computer, just trying to see if you had Facebook. And this Cheaterville thing came up. And it said something like, hell, I dated this guy. You know, he dates, he's a police officer. He dates strippers. And it gave me cold source. I'm like, okay, well, like that didn't happen. So I called the police department. They end up doing an investigation. They find out that the guy did, one of his buddies did run my

plate and he did give the information to this guy. But the problem was is that I couldn't get that information off. I couldn't get the post down. I had hired a lawyer in Toronto. And this lawyer was able to get it from the main site, this Cheaterville site. But there's another Korean website at the time that would just copy all the things from like the dirty and cheaterville and put it on their website and so i was talking my lord i'm like how do i get this thing down like you know like anybody knows me knows that that's just a joke right you know they know i don't do that but um but i's concerned you know i mean like you know my family or my friends or people that don't moan me maybe i'm i meet a girl and start dating her and she runs my name because everybody does that and sees that you know

I got to explain myself. So it's embarrassing. So I ended up hiring a lawyer from New York. And he had a license in New York and Korea. And, you know, me and this other guy hired him at the same time. We pay him. All this money is like, look, there's nothing I can do. They won't take it down.

They won't even respond to me. There's nothing I can do to even get them to respond to me. So I'm like, okay, whatever. I just, you know, I've spent like five, ten grand on it. I don't care. I'm just going to move on. Anyway, when I first meet Darko around this time, it's probably I've probably known for a couple months kind of thing.

He says, oh, my aunt was running your name and came up with this post because we can't have that. You know, I mean, like, you're not that guy. You know, we need to, I need to take it down for him. Like, hey, man, I try it. And it's not going to happen. So around this time, his mom and him start insinuating that he, when he was, was in Israel. I guess everybody has to go with the army. And they said that he was eventually

put into the Mossad for Israeli intelligence. And that he was in a assassin. Yeah, they always go with like CIA or former CIA or, you know, it's exactly. And man, I feel like a fool now because I was a cop. I should have known better. But the thing is, it wasn't just him, is his mom. Yeah, Yeah, the mom is, the mom backing him up is extremely credible. You know, I mean, that just is. You know, typically if you have somebody backing you up, then people just absolutely assume it's true. But the mom being an older lady, you definitely think,

this is his mom's saying it. Like his, you know, for some reason you get old and you don't realize that, hey, that old person, you know, 20 years ago was just a young scoundrel. now they're just an old scoundrel you know the age doesn't make them suddenly shouldn't shouldn't make them more credible but it does for some reason you know you want to like elders you want to believe in them so but anyways mom's back in so musad okay sorry yeah so and then i'm like okay whatever like you know i mean sure like you know that first you know you don't fully believe them but then he's like oh i got a friend who still works intelligence

i'm gonna give him a call and he gets the it gets the post taken down I don't know how really yeah it's gone to this day it's gone nice now I think after like you could pay money but at the time there's no way to kind of like you know getting contact with this website and say okay well that's a lie like take it down like my first lawyer but the cheaterville says like that's total defamation that's a lie this is the situation they took it down right away but this place there's no way to get a hold of them so I don't know how he did it to this day but anyway So that lends some credibility.

I mean, like, hey, especially if him and his mom are saying this stuff. So then this leads into me meeting allegedly Juliana Greenspan. And Julianna Greenspan was the daughter of a well-known lawyer, Brian Greenspan. And Julianne's a lawyer as well. I remember I was in Toronto. We just got back from my mom's treatment and run around Toronto all day and the traffic's crazy. and he gives me a call. It says, look, I got somebody on the phone for you.

I'm like, okay. So it's a three-way phone call. And if you know Darko, Darko always loves to control the conversations. And it's Juliana Greenspan. I thought it was. And she says, we have a conversation. He goes, yeah, that's defamation, you know, let me look into it. We have a nice, you know, meeting.

And, you know, Darko's trying to say, yeah, this guy's not like that. You know, you need to hold that other guy accountable. this Jeff guy, blah, blah, blah. And so she's like, okay, well, send me an email with all the information, and I'll take a look at it. But he'd already had it taken down by this point? He had it already taken down. Okay. I think shortly around there.

Like, I could be wrong with that. Maybe I spoke to her first, and then he got it taken down. So why are you talking to her? You're trying to sue these people? Yeah. So she wanted to do, make a, he wanted to say that we need to sue these people for defamation. Okay. And then, you know, try to get some money out of them, whatever is it go well.

To succeed in the future of work, forward thinkers use AI to deliver measurable results. Workday is the AI platform for HR and finance that frees you from the mundane, so you can focus on more meaningful work. Workday, moving business forever forward. Hungry now. Now. Now. What about now? Whenever it hits you, wherever you are.

Grab an O. Henry bar to satisfy your hunger. With its delicious combination of big, crunchy, salty peanuts covered in creamy caramel and chewy fudge with a chocolatey coating. Swing by a gas station and get an O'Henry today. Oh, hungry, oh Henry. And the guy just did it. You just did it to discredit me. Like, you know, this Jeff guy, you know.

Yeah. you know anyway um so the next next week i think on the weekend because it's just too busy on the weekend i go home get all the information and i email it to her and i email it to her work email address it's not like the address he gave me so i sent it to her work email address and um she responds and says oh i'm just on my phone i can't open up the attachments but i will when i can and then i think that's probably the last time i really spoke to her because weeks later i get a text message claiming to be her and obviously it's darko giovitch it's not julianna green span um and she says oh i'm working on your case here's my personal cell number there's my

personal uh email address your friends of darko you know i've known the family forever you know from synagogue or whatever from you know the jewish community you know the he's such an upstanding citizen he's selfless you know what i mean like all these stories about him right and even his mom like i remember when i met him like it there's a sidebar here but he was telling me that you know he had no you know his wife you know left him and uh she took all his money and he's scrounged to get money and he's trying to pay his bills at the house and and mind you at this time he lived in a in a place that's probably like worth almost a million dollars in london which is pretty it's very very nice house so i'd know like you go to his place you're like man this guy's got some money right

and um so she's telling me all these great things about him and so i'm like okay great you know hey thanks you know then she gets into okay well i'm going to send a demand letter to the Jeff guy. You know, I've done some research. She's got all these properties. We're going to send a demand letter. So she works out this like crazy settlement. He's agreed to pay like $300,000 for defamation, which is probably insane because you know, you'd probably get in Canada maybe 20 or 30, but for some reason I believed it, right? And so after the settlement, this is the funny thing. You know, This is early on in this whole lawyer thing. But I sent her an $1,800 gift certificate to the Ritz Carlton.

Did you get $300,000? No, no, no. I didn't get it. So she was telling me, she was telling me, I'm doing this. You know, I'm not taking a fee. I'm doing it for free, whatever. And I felt bad. I'm like, hey, I'm going to do something nice for you then.

You just did a huge favor for me. So I buy this $1,800 gift certificate. Hey, why did you wait? I got the money. I know, I know, man. I was just, you know, I was like, oh, you know what? Like, I feel so bad. She's doing all this work.

And she was saying, like, she's putting hours and hours and hours into it. So I sent her this gift certificate to her work address, to her work. And I didn't tell Darko about this at the time. And so I send it. And after I tell Darko, I'm like, hey, man, like, I, uh, Julianna, really helped me out and I told him about the settlement. I'm like, look, I sent her this $1800 gift certificate. And 1800, like 18s mean something in Judaism, right? I can't remember exactly what. But so he lost his shit. He literally went crazy. He's like, you can't do that. She did

it pro bono. You know, she's got partners that she has to answer to and stuff like that. Because you got to call them and get that taken back and you can't so i'm like holy cow man like you guys freaking on me so i'm like i'll try but i've already sent it so i called the place i'm like hey look this is the situation is any way to kind of like get the courier to come back and uh he's like no it's already been delivered and then the note i said you know hey keel carrado blah blah blah thank you very much and hopefully this spa day will help you know you know with all the stress that you've been under blah blah blah and uh so after i found those defrauded i called the ritz and the writs and the writs said that that that card was used and i mean on a few occasions so i don't know who used it

i don't know obviously at this point darko and they never she never contact you to say what is this about like you sent me this card like i i don't i never spoke with you or i did spoke with you one time but what is this about like nothing just oh someone sent me 1,800 bucks oh my guess is this my guess is that you know he's pretending to be juliana to me and he's pretending to be me to juliana right so he must have texted her or called her i said hey you know like that's the only thing that makes sense you know i mean then and so she probably contacted him thinking it was you possibly and then he explained away the 1800 yeah because i think later um after you know i i looked through disclosure and there were some emails that were on this phone

whatever i think one from her saying like look you know i looked into it kind of thing you know how much we can do kind of thing now i don't know whether that was real or fake because this guy worked like 24-7 like this guy you know he was like so many different people and matt i'll tell you man there's no way you could sleep and and pretend to be that many people like texting me like the guy would constantly call me text me juliana would text me then later her uncle brian greenspan would text me because he got involved in the case too and then he's all these other personas us and you know the funny thing is is like I believe this crap and I should have known better man like I feel like a complete fool and most people do when they

get defrauded right yeah but you know I I was probably probably my ego was probably the problem part of the problem because you know as a cop I'm like who's gonna try to defraud me like in person him and his mom like how are they gonna do this off there's probably a lot of things going on in my mind If you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be. Whether you're having trouble falling asleep, you're waking up sweating in the middle of night or all of the above. That's where Ghost Bed can help.

As the makers of the coolest beds in the world, Ghost Bed is your go-to for cooling mattresses, cooling pillows, and cooling bedding. From their signature ghost ice fabric to patented technology that adjusts to your body's temperature, every ghost bed mattress is designed with cooling in mind. So whether you want a plusher mattress that cushions your shoulders and hips or a firm option with exceptional support, your ghost bed will keep you cool and comfortable all night long. When you purchase a ghost bed mattress, your comfort is guaranteed. You can try out your mattress for 101 nights, risk-free, to make sure it's the right fit for you. Plus, they offer free

shipping, and most items are shipped within 24 hours. If you're not sure which ghost bed is right for you, check out their mattress quiz. You'll answer a few questions and get a personalized recommendation. Even better, our listeners can get 50% off site wide for a limited time. Just visit ghostbed.com slash Cox and use the code Cox at checkout. Again, that's ghostbed.com slash Cox with the code Cox at the checkout to save a whopping 50% off site wide. But just to get back to Julianna for a second. So after I found out that was defrauded, I also emailed her and called her office and sent her email saying, look, you know, if you know this dark old Javanovich, you know, he's defrauded me. He's probably doing the same to you kind of thing.

Send her like three, four emails. Never got a response. Called left messages. Never got a response. Never got a turn phone call. You know, she went, when the police went to speak to her after this was all said and done, she was kind of hiding under privilege behind privilege saying, oh, I really speak about it i'm not going to really talk about it not saying that she knew a lot but you know the officer when he was one officer cam halliday who was on the stand who was being questioned by the crown's like oh obviously she didn't know anything about this he goes well on the stand he's like well when you talk to her when we talked to her she did know something she just didn't really say what and she didn't really cooperate they wanted her to read the

text messages i don't think she did you know and they weren't worried about juliana green span or whatever well so let's go back to the 1800 so let's move forward from there so because you jump forward a little bit so yeah so eventually you know that gets all worked out and then eventually um darko starts talking about police corruption you know he starts naming some names and this is how she gets into it and this how she starts she's the one who's going to helped dark a with his divorce to get because he had millions of dollars he said that his wife took from him so she's going to first help him with his divorce and then he starts dropping some names um and some serious names in the city like these guys have been known to to be you know

mixed in with bikers and the criminal underworld even when guy was like you know we thought that maybe he was, you know, a terrorist or tied, not terrorists, but tied with terrorism, right? I'm not going to drop whatever that is because, you know, this guy's not here to defend himself. But so at that time, I'm like, okay, this is crazy. You know, I mean, like, you're dropping these names telling me about stuff going on in the department. And, you know, if I backtrack a second, I'll talk to you about my career because this will make sense to you. So when I first got hired, I worked six years on the street, hurt myself, a back injury. They put me in recruiting.

And then in recruiting, that's where I kind of like, you're really, like on the street, you're kind of doing your own thing. I mean, like, you have your kind of discretion to a certain extent. But then when you get into recruiting, you're always like, you know, rubbing elbows with the deputy chief, the superintendent, inspector. You're bringing them potential candidates to interview after you've already vetted them. So you get to know these people. And after that, I went to the Crime Analyst Unit.

And in the Crime Analyst Unit, we do a lot of work with the OPP, Ontario Provincial Police, and their intel. And I'm a guy there that kind of knew before. His name was Jonathan Aeson. And Jonathan was always talking. You know, like, you know, we meet for coffee, like, once a week. And he was always telling me about certain individuals that, you know, OPP could never do projects. on because I guess at the time, I know if it's different now, when you want to do a project on somebody, and this one guy, you know, I'll call him G.G. Right. And they want to do this project on this

G.G. guy. And it would always be forwarded. Like, you know, they put the paperwork into London because he lives in our jurisdiction. And London would always say, no, we don't want you doing any projects on this guy. And then, you know, Jonathan would always tell me, oh, you know, I got Intel. I've got, you know, credible information that I know there's corrupt officers, corrupt senior officers in the department. I'm like, well, I don't know anything about that. I mean, like I don't really hang out with these guys. Like I said, like a lot of cops just always hang out with cops so they hear more stuff.

And it wasn't into the rumor mill. And I was kind of like, you know, for me at the time, I'd rather hang out with my old buddies than hang out with cops and talk about cop stuff all the time. all right and um so this is my mindset when i meet darko and darko starts dropping these names and like okay you know that's that's interesting and he drops another person's name who there's always rumors about him in the city he owns like almost all of london and there's rumors that used to be a gunrunner and stuff and he's israeli as well so darko starts telling me like hey you know there's a lot of his families you guys have a lot of his

Rayleigh's. I don't know. I mean, everybody's only two and I met both of them, I guess. I don't know. Okay, go ahead. So, so yeah, so I, he starts telling me that, you know, this Gigi guy and this SF guy who owns almost all London, that they, they want him, but Gigi's importing drugs in, in high-end cars. And at the time, Gigi owned all these lots. And there was a car. And it was a car used car dealer and he'd drive around like Lamborghinis and ferraris and stuff so he's like um you know he's he he wants me to design because i'm an engineer he says he wants me to design something so i can bring over a lot of drugs and i can't say no to him now because sfs israeli i've been breaking this kind of code that he told he told me that israelis have with each other

which i don't think is true but and um and um and and And then, you know, they've paid off a lot of police officers and higher ranking guys. And they kind of like, they're kind of enforcing that, you know, on him. So he says, I remember the one story tells me. And his mom was the one that kind of was laughing about it, that this one inspector came. His name allegedly was, you know, Kevin or whatever. So he came to his house and tried to twist Darko's arm, Aaron at the time that I knew him. but um to design this stuff and he's like you know you don't know what you're doing you know

we want you to do this you know just just a courtesy visit you know I mean and the joke was that his mom was was cooking falafels and she had gone to the front to see who it was well darko was talking to this guy and she burnt her falafels so she was cursing this guy because she burnt her falafel. So the next time I go over and talk to Darko and his mom, she's telling me this story. For a limited time at McDonald's, enjoy the tasty breakfast trio. Your choice of chicken or sausage McMuffin or McGrittles with a hash brown and a small iced coffee for five bucks plus tax. Available until 11 a.m. at participating McDonald's restaurants. Price excludes flavored iced coffee and delivery. Right. She's agreeing to that, you know, hey, this this guy came

over and Darko said he was this inspector. So then when I'm there, I'm talking to him and I'd be visiting him and you know over there uh on the weekends kind of thing when i'm when i'm not with my mom monday to friday he would like show me text messages and some of these text messages would come to his phone when i was there and they were from inspectors from superintendents from the chief and he's showing me and they're saying hey don't it's just a misunderstanding between you and these two guys you need to you know reconsider your choice kind of thing threatening him and i'm like holy cow i'm like holy fuck man this is this is a way above my pay grade and b i don't know what to do with this so i call my buddy jonathan who's o pp the guy that

that uh that i knew from uh over there in intel and i said hey man this is what's going on i remember before he used to tell me that there was corrupt guys in the department said is there any credibility of what this guy's saying he's like he's like you know frothing at the mouth like he's like oh my god you know i'm in a unit right now where we're special unit and we're investigating senior officers he's like i got intel that you know something was going on with london so i'm like holy shit like is this guy for real and so i try to get darko and jonathan we call him tubs that was his nickname so i try to get darko and tubs together because i don't want to deal with this like you know i've got enough shit going on but you know as you see darko just took advantage of the

fact that was on stress leave and all stressed out kind of thing and you know i was right for the picking i guess so then juliana steps in and juliana's like you know he doesn't know what to do darko's being targeted by these senior officers juliana the lawyer yeah juliana the lawyer who's really texting darko texting you yeah texting and calling like she's called as well like it wasn't like so there was a female that was working with dark i don't know who it wasn't it didn't sound like his mom but what do i know and now she wants to create her own kind of like um project like she wants to her own she wants she knows people prosecutors in toronto she knows police officers that she trusts so she wants to create

this like project where she's going to charge these people and then um it just all goes sideways from there man like it you know he led me down a path that I end up giving him like I think four hundred fifty thousand dollars had to sell my house I'm still paying off my line of credit it was it was tough like if I go back and think about it like the way you kind of fucking really really played me but it's not about playing like if you want to just the money that keep be doing like CRA scams or IRS scams calling you pretend he's the IRS it's not about money for him it's about control it's about manipulation and you know later I've read books on

you know sociopaths and so forth and this guy's like you know fits it to a T you know and like so like I said I read books you know since that talking about sociopaths and stuff and I think there's a book called Without Conscience. And the psychologist, the doctor that wrote the book, actually was conned. You know, he was doing research into this. He was conned like three times by three different sociopaths. But, and so, like, if I had to describe Darko, like, you know, I remember having to look through his phones after we got disclosure after it was charged,

man, the guy is pretty, pretty twisted. Like, when you start going through his phones and seeing what he's kind of doing, like he's he's like having okay he's not here to defend himself but from what i saw like he's you know having meeting up random sex with like on grinder with guys or you know prostitutes and escorts coming over and and you know he's he's like you know trying to defraud an older guy who's blind that he's trying to befriend and take him to doctor's appointments like you know probably like the guy from that movie saltburn the lead character there and if you ever saw that i couldn't watch the whole thing was just a little bit too triggering but very very

crazy sick stuff in there but to me like he was trying to be he's always this like you know selfless person give away his last penny yeah i was i was gonna say there was a there was a thing i want to say it was the queen of the skane or queen of cons or queen i forget but it's actually like a guy that was scamming people He was convincing, let's say, I think it was like photographers to fly. He was saying, he was imitating famous people saying that he had hired you as a photographer. And then he, you'd fly yourself across the world to photograph all these things. And this money was coming or maybe he'd even pay a little bit of money initially.

And then, but there were certain things that like. They had somebody that was going to drive you around. Plus, there was a fee that you had to pay to get when you got to the country. Next thing, you know, these people are being defrauded, but it's never a lot. And the guy was working multiple people at the same time. And you're like, this is not a lot of money that you're defrauding these people out of it. It seemed like a lot of work. And really, when they got down to it, they were like, it was just they loved or the guy loved to be able to manipulate all of these people.

into believing these things and he just got a real enjoyment out of it. I don't, you know, like I don't, I don't get it. Like I could see it, say, okay, you're in it for the money. This was, this was more than this was a sickness that this guy had. And some of these guys are just like that. Pathological liars are like that. Like, they'll just lie to you about, they'll weave some ridiculous story and there's no benefit to them. And the story is very easily unraveled very quickly.

So it's really just in that moment there, of getting some kind of sick satisfaction out of fooling you for just that moment. It's super weird. So, but that part of it, like some parts of it, like, I can get building a friendship. You're trying to build trust so that ultimately you can, you know, take advantage of someone. Like, I can understand, like, I understand your motive. because at the in the end there's a gain for it but some of the stuff that people do are just it's like you're just a weirdo like there was no benefit to do to that you know that yeah i agree man

like this guy this guy fits that mold 100% like you know like he would like he had me believing that i was the cause of all this problem like his mom had a like a stroke and is my fault because I had said something to somebody about potentially the case or something. And there was like numerous times. He pretended like for, I'll give you a story. So I remember we had a death in the family.

So and it was my cousin's husband. And he was such a nice guy. So he passes away. So Darko comes over to my house. My brother and my sister, my older sister are there. And he brings flowers, right? So it's very nice.

And then we start talking. about you know drugs and so forth and like I don't do drugs but and you know my one nephew at the time was you know experimenting with marijuana or whatever and so I was trying to give my my viewpoint on this and he took a fence like he just he went to the garage how a smoke started screaming at me saying and this and Darko was after the fact I find out that he's like a heavy heavy drug user meth you know you name it coke he's doing everything right and so he uses that as a springboard to make me feel bad about having an argument with him because juliana comes in

on text later and says that dark goes having a PTSD episode from his time and in uh in the uh in the Massad and, you know, then his mom's texting me and telling me, you know, calling me and saying, oh, you know, how dare you? I trusted you. You know, Darko has only done nice things for everybody and for you and he gives them. And it just goes on and on and on. And that's part of the game. Like that's how they were just playing, well, he played me, but, and just always make me think I'm the bad guy. And I mean, like even when I was giving them money, because the whole thing revolves around darko is the key witness here you know she's got this you know she's doing juliana is the head of this you know team that's going to take down the corruption in the

apartment and but darko's the key and this sf and gg guy and the police are are targeting him trying to discredit him you know trying to kill him trying to kill his mother and anything that happens ends up being my fault it's always my fault somehow it all comes back to me and that I start feeling bad like you know like I'm giving this guy all this money and then you know at one point I think Brian Greenspan it's not the real Brian green span but obviously darko starts texting me and says what's wrong with you I'm like well look man I've got no money like I've given darko every cent I can't pay my bills I've took a second mortgage on my house and I'm trying to keep this afloat and and he's like how dare you you selfish

bastard. You're maniacal. You're a hypocrite. I've given 30 million into this. I've put up my reputation. Darko suffered. No, they targeted his mother. They try to kill her. Like, this is how crazy. And I believe this shit, man. I tell you, like, let's go back. Let's go back. You haven't gotten to that. But at what point does he ask you for money? Well, it's always the first time I think it was just an innocent loan of like a couple grand because you know he had to you know he had some money coming in from uh juliana you know selling his estate with his ex and he just needed a couple grand or something did he did he pay it you gave it to him and he paid it back no never paid it back like i said hey man i it gets crazier from there okay i'm kind of embarrassed to even talk

about this a bit, but I thought this guy was like in dire need. And I mean, like I thought, and I thought he was good for it because, hey, he, he lived in a million dollar home. Right. He drove a Mercedes S class when I, newer Mercedes S class when I met him. He had like a couple of cars. And then he was a car buff. And he said that his wife, he had like all these other cars that his wife took in the divorce or the separation. And later it all comes down to the fact that his ex-wife was in cahoots with this sf guy and gg guy to take his money and to force him to do what they wanted them to do and they even target like he even had a story where in the moment along with this that she needed surgery because she had a i think a stomach tumor or something pancreatic cancer

some tumor or whatever she was going to die so they have a she has surgery at the local hospital and that he had me believing that s f this s f guy paid the doctor to botch the surgery and then he said that he found another doctor that worked at i don't know if it was the same hospital we have two hospitals in the city that was israeli that he could trust that it redo the surgery and then you know um had fixed the problem whatever and that he had to get his mom out of the hospital because he was worried, you know, that something's going to happen to her. So he had to hire a private nurse, you know what I mean? And in order to keep her safe.

And I send you some photos, and those photos you'll see, like, she's at the hospital. You know, there's photos of her at the hospital, but maybe she went there for a headache. Yeah, maybe she had a real surgery, but he saw her an opportunity to take advantage of the situation, right? 100%, man, 100%. and so my head was always spinning like you know everything's always my fault you know Julianna saying oh we're going to make these arrests we've got all this evidence is coming up and I want to meet with you we're always supposed to meet I'm always supposed to go down there and meet her she's coming to London meet but every time she calls and says oh you know

uncle Brian had a heart attack or some other crazy thing happened and darko's in need and then darko was sick because he had PTSD, then he had this rare blood disease, and he had an enlarged heart, and they're trying to keep them alive. It doesn't sound like... It doesn't keep him alive, Matt. What's that? Sounds like his heart is, you know, five times too small.

What, I'm trying to think of what this Dr. Sue says, his heart is too small. um so well what are some of the other i need additional money like i i don't understand because a couple thousand dollars is one thing but i mean what so every time he's got a problem he needs money he says hey i need 20 grand for this 80 for this like how does it get up so high um they're like i'd have to read through all those text messages and that's just too much for me uh to do that but for example like you know i mean like his mom he said was Israeli and she never became a Canadian citizen. So she had to pay it in a pocket for her medical expenses.

And he could always, it was always like this, you know, I've got to do this, I can raise. Hey, so what did you want to talk about? Well, I want to tell you about Wagovi. Wagovi? Yeah, Wagovi. What about it? On second thought, I might not be the right person to tell you. Oh, you're not?

No, just ask your doctor about Wagoe. Yeah, ask for it by name. Okay. So why did you bring me to the circus? Oh, I'm really into lion tamers. You know, with the chair and everything. Ask your doctor for Wagovi by name. Visit wagovi.ca for savings.

Exclusions may apply. I was able to raise her friends. She doesn't say she needed 50 grand. I raised 40,000. I just need $10,000 more to save my mom. I'm like, and he knows how much, you know, I love my mom and my family. I'm like, hey, man, we've got to save your mom. okay no problem i'll borrow 10 grand and i'll give you 10 grand for it like and juliana's always

like oh yeah and you're going to have your settlement and dark will pay you back because i'm working on his divorce and don't worry it's it's all going to be taken care of like you know and hey i should have known better you know i mean like um but when you're in it and you're getting constant text messages and a barraud of people calling you like his dad would call me i've never met his dad but his dad was It was supposed to be some, like, he was in the Israeli Air Force. This is funny. And he was also in Mossad and that he had gone down to South America and did some type of crazy, you know, we call it. He'd gone down there and, like, captured some Nazi war criminal or something.

And they, you know, smuggled him back to Israel. to stand trial you know crazy it was on the team that caught Ikeman yeah something like that you know I mean I can't remember all the names and places but um it just it just goes on and you know he would like bring in my and he'd try to isolate me from my family and my friends and he's always making up a story like even with that that Jeff thing with a Cheaterville post he would like take that to the extreme he'd be like oh you know what they're going to pay this but now Claudia is saying that you know you raped her which never happened and that now juliana has to help me out of this situation and that you know she's going to have to talk to

the prosecutor and all this stuff i'm like so i think these people are saving me i think you know hey you know juliana's you know she's the the lawyer of lawyers you i mean like so i actually believe that because i'm like well maybe maybe they're making up this story because you know hey they're have to pay me 300 000 in a defamation suit and so then you know juliana that rules into some other story where it's my fault you know dark goes sick and he needs money and she's wasting her time dealing with claudia which is my fault because i should have never dated this girl and it's just goes on and on and on like I can't even tell you half the stories like there's another story where early on I had a friend of mine from law school his name was Ali

great guy it was like he was an engineer he was doing his law degree now because when I was doing the correspondence I actually went there for you can do these like courses where that you can go there for like the weekend so I went there two or three times to england and i met ali and he was just a great guy he was um i think originally from iraq i think anyway anyway he was losing his job and i kind of was brought that up in conversation with darko and darko at the time said that he had a contract with general dynamics in detroit and he's like oh well i can help him you know he's he's an engineer he's a friend of yours a friend of mine hey you know let's let's bring him on board so then he makes up this elaborate story

where he needs ali's uh passport and ali's not sending it to him and then he finds out through his contacts ali has some terrorist connections not true at all right and then he loses the contract with general dynamics like you ever heard about a contract with general dynamics prior to this no no okay no so this is like earlier earlier on i'm jumping around a bit because there's so much to unpack but and now gd journal dynamics is going to sue him for three million dollars and lost revenue and it's my fault because i introduced him to ali and now because he tried to bring ali on board and he has some ties because gd does their own background checks and he has some ties to some you know

fictitious uh terrorist organization it's it's my fault and that you know you know know i should be the one paying for this because i'm the one who did this hey man you know like then i get text messages from juliana this reaming me out and i get text messages from his mom and then brian and then continually he's got a whole your team of i don't know he did it man like even my lawyer like uh the first lawyer i had he was even saying he's like how's he went through, like, he read all of Julianna's text. He's, he read all of Aaron's text. His mom, Brian Green, he's like, when did he, when does he sleep? And I don't think he did. Because he'd be calling me all the time too. And he was smart enough. Like, he was smart. He would call me constantly.

And he would say one thing on the phone. And then another thing, you kind of change it up a bit on through text messages. Because you want to be respond in a certain way. And at the time, like hey you know what like i'm afraid to even like speak out to these people because everything is my problem right and then he starts threatening me he starts threatening my family he's friends my little sister and he knows that you know hey if you're going to threaten me no problem you're going to go meet whatever if i wouldn't lose a fight whatever but when you start threatening my my family people that can't defend themselves what's he saying he's going to do to oh that he you know he's said one time like he was and again this is like his PTSD incident right like he's in julian is

like oh you know what he's got PTSD you got to treat him with kid gloves he said things like oh you know what I'm gonna throw your sister in jail you know uh I'm gonna this is hard to say it's gonna like torture my parents and have my younger sister watch that's how fucked up this guy is man like why do you fucking say that I mean like was at this must have been when things were starting to unravel is that it um this was like after i had lent him like two 300 000 and then i would just i'd even just have a question i'd be like hey you know what with with brian or something brian green's man whatever i text him say like hey you know what having a hard time paying my bills like you know and then it's it's

like he's he's on full attack mode, you know I mean? And then then Darko comes back and he's like, oh, you're not suffering. I'm the one who's suffering. You know what I mean? Darko's the one that's suffering. I'm like, okay. Who might have say, man? Like, I feel bad.

Like, you know, now you're telling me. Then he's always apologizing after he like, and Julianna is always apologizing saying, oh, you know, he had an episode with a take taking to Dr. Yuddin, he got medication. you know like it's not him you know what I mean it's all the stress they're targeting him come on like but at the time you believed it at the time I believed it you know what I mean actually 2020 hindsight right so yeah like you know I it's hard to say like the thing is is like when you got all these people that you believe are real telling you this stuff right

and then you go to my you know friends like in the department and they're like yeah that's that's believable some of the stuff he's saying is believable and even through my own experience i mean like you know some of these guys in the senior senior officers i mean like can't trust them they're all out for themselves and they're all out for power money control not unlike darko some of them i mean so you can see how you can kind of make that joiner especially you know talking to uh tubs there the o pp guy that i knew who end up like stabbing me in the back because like what happened in the end was you know going to court nobody would come and you know and and you know take my side nobody would help me like you know everyone's like you know

washing their hands of me and that's that's a that's a whole different story but we can get into that after if you want but well so what what what happened at what point what brought it to the to a head where you realize like something's not right here like at what point did you go hey this isn't something's just like I'm not I'm not falling for this anymore like obviously something's wrong well there's a few times and this is the interesting part like there's a few times throughout this year year and a bit that I was dealing with a year and a half probably that was just like you know this doesn't make sense you know I mean I remember one time I was like at my wits end And I get a call from Jonathan, from Tubbs.

And he's like, hey, man, you know, you got to get me together with Darko. I just had a meeting with the CI. And he's saying that he'll tell me anything about all the drugs going on in the city, but he won't talk about GG and SF or the police that are involved. Like, really? You know, this is just at the point where, you know, maybe it's coincidence, probably is. but maybe Darko had one of his buddies who was a CI to Tubbs go in there and start spreading all this stuff thinking that maybe get back to me but there's a lot

of times and at the end of it when I found out that you know I was defrauded is because I had a friend of mine and like anytime I mentioned somebody one of my friends to Darko he's like oh I can help him out just like with Ali because he wants to eventually use it again me like another friend of mine that was starting up a startup was you needed someone to design an app so darko had one of his buddies you know who could you know who was a whiz at the computers and can design all these apps reach out to my friend and was going to invest in his business now my friend never saw the money this was early on and so it was the same I had a friend of mine Ken, who was in the car business, so he wanted to, you know, import some cars. And Darko was like,

oh, I got the guy, my friend Ori. You know what I mean? Like he's the guy, you know, I'll get Ken in contact with Ori. They can talk, whatever. And he'll take care of him. So as luck would have it, I'm on the phone with Ken, talking to Ken, shooting the shit with him. And he's like, oh, this is, I think this is your buddy. This is a New York number. i think because ori was allegedly from new york and uh i'll put you on mute you just listen to the conversation and i'll talk to this guy so when i'm listening to the conversation i'm like fuck that's darco that's not ory like he was trying to put on like a like an accent like a different accent but like i know the way darko talks right and so after i kind of confront

him not confront him i say you know what i was on the conversation with with ken and when he was talking to ori and it sounded like you man like you know like was it you and then like you know maybe if ori was busy or whatever and darko again lost his shit and he's like you just see you know i'll bring ori over and then juliana comes in and says how dare you question darko and then brian the same thing how dare you question this guy calling me up and like i'm sure for him like he's he's back peddling yeah sure for him he's like the go to move you know that's their go to move typically for women con artist the go to move is to start crying you know not always but i mean most of the 90% of the time for for uh con men you know male con men it's to get angry

you know to be you know um uh you know indignant you know that how like i can't believe you would think I would do like you're just what's wrong with you you're disgusting that you would do who would do that like just totally offended and and yell and scream and you know that kind of thing like who do you think I am what's wrong with who are you to question me that that whole thing like that's the common kind of go-to move but I think that the problem is that I know so many of these guys and the average person just doesn't so they don't they don't see it um you know and the general You know, a lot of con men are very generous. It makes you trust them.

Hey, I got that. Let me pay for the meal. Hey, let me take you to do. Hey, we shall all go here. Hey, let's go do this. Let's go. What? Hey, I got a buddy.

Oh, what's happening? Man, I got a buddy. I can call him right now. I can. And then it just spins, spin, spin. But by that point, you've, they've endeared themselves to you. And it didn't work out. Well, he tried.

Not his fault. Exactly. Couldn't do it. his buddy was trying he couldn't couldn't get it done that's exactly it that's exactly but you multiply that tenfold because not only can he can't get it he can't get it done he's blaming me for hey his aunt dies allegedly dies and it's my fault you know me because i caused the stress and she was trying to get across the border or something like the stories like we don't have enough time for for me to kind of you know like if you're interested i'll send you like the text messages

And if you want to, you know, have a read of them, you'll see what kind of crap I had to put up with. And so what, what, what makes it, when does it start to unravel, like, went to the point where you're like, this is all bullshit. Like, when do you, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's bullshit. And when do you find out that this is, I'm not even talking to the, you know, this isn't even the guy. Listen to what happens. So, yeah, that's a good point. So right after I kind of confront Darko about that.

the next day this is july 2017 the next day juliana starts texting me and it's in the morning i'm working and she starts texting me and i'm like this is strange i'm like who is this is this is juliana duh i'm like okay well why are you texting from darko's phone oh should they forgot the spoof app they they grab the phone or yeah you had like the guy had like the guy had five phones like when they did the warrant at his house and and the police investigations are like another total different conversation but so i go over there i leave work early i go over there and confront them and at this time i'm recording everything and i confront him and then he starts spinning another story like you can listen

if you ever want to listen to you know true crime you can listen to these recordings and he's spinning and he's and my head's spinning because the thing is at that moment like most victims of fraud you want to believe something you want to believe that this 450,000 dollars that you just lost isn't lost that maybe you can get it back yeah i mean this information that i gave juliana and him that were allegedly like from the police computer and stuff uh like records checks and stuff wasn't going to a criminal right because i was like fucking mortified man i was like holy shit what have i done and so he's like spinning the tail he's saying look you're going to get your money back all this stuff and he's trying to still say that he's being

targeted by farie and that you know juliana anyway i don't i'm starting not i'm starting not to believe a word he's saying and the next day i call my friend jonathan ace and i call tubs and i say look man this is what happened i'm like man you know you guys guys need to kind of step in and do something because even if like five percent of what he's saying is true you guys need to handle it like i can't go to london and tell them because you got to understand like tubs was telling me before that some of the stuff he was saying was valid you know he's because i'm trying to get them together and and um so at that time he's like okay no problem it goes look i'll take care of it for you um i'm going to investigate it i'll

investigate the fraud he goes look try to get some of your money back first because once you know we get investigated and and once we arrest the guy no you're not going to get any in your money i'm like look no problem this is his name because i end up finding out who's name is what his name was because i eventually you know forced him to tell me and i ran the plate on this vehicle never did that before but um and they came back to darko yeah darko javanovitch okay but it's crazy man Because this is a side note, nobody really knows who this guy is. Because he went to high school in London, came from Ottawa, but he used a totally different name. You know, like when the police were doing their investigation on him, no, he was Aaron Goldberg growing up, not Darko Giovanovich.

And he was registered at schools as Aaron Goldberg. And his mom was still not a Giovannivich, who I ended up finding out was the lady that was with him. but was he did he legally change his name to to darko don't know like nobody really knows like even when he was charged in windsor uh they tried to do a background check and i think and even in court they said like we really don't know who this guy is like you know and then london tried to do their own background check and uh in the report they were saying like oh you know they they talked to this one school he was at and he was registered as erin goldberg his mom was not a dravanovitch And then his dad was registered as like, I think High Goldberg or something, he lived in London.

So the police go to, go to this guy's, I think this guy was a dentist or something. And they go to him and they say, hey, you know, like we want to interview about your son, Darko Giovanovich or Aaron Goldberg. And the guy's like, I don't have a son like that. I don't know who that guy is. And so like in your mind, you're like, hey, you know what? like his mom must have like taught him everything she knows or something like how does how do you get there like how do you get registered at a school and have a fictitious father from back then like I don't

understand it what's on his driver's license on his driver's license is dark O Javanovich now side story to this whole thing is like he like I said he had police friends um prior to the gun getting charged in Windsor and in the interviews that I read in the police report and disclosure um they all went to to las Vegas and darko was paying for a lot of things that you're saying so and i guess at the airport on the way back the one officer saw on his driver's license that it was darko giovanovitch not Aaron i think i don't know if he was using Aaron goldberg at the time whatever and then they had like a little joke saying i think they call him the dark lord or something like that and and the funny thing is is actually in the in that report it says when he interviewed

these guys they thought he was a dentist like i said before but not only that when he got caught in windsor matt he had an o pp official stets and hat that one of these officers gave to him and he was found with it and then the o pp officer got in ship because he could ship because you're not supposed to give out, you know, your gear to, right? Let alone a criminal, right? Because they thought maybe he stole it, but the officer's like, no, no, no. I know the guy and I gave it to him. And so, like I said, this guy had lots of like experience, you know, conning people.

And he just got better and better. And I think we talked before the show, I think started. And he was saying that he eventually, if we read the article in the free press, he eventually gets on the Twitter. And he's on the Twitter space co-hosting the largest Twitter space with Elon Musk. I think Alex Jones was there, Maro Nafal, and he's the co-host. And the only reason he got caught was because his ego, he wanted a photo of himself on his profile. So he had this photo of him like with the cigarette and it was like really washed out.

I think one of the reporters did like a reverse search or something because they really couldn't find much on him. And then they found the article in the free press, London Free Press, exposing him. And then obviously he's off Twitter. But and then actually, I guess he was pretending to be an ex-DOJ attorney. And because when he got exposed, all these people, there's these Twitter spaces and the one reporter from London was on it. He calls me up, says, hey, do you want to join the Twitter?

space. So I go on this Twitter thing. I'm not on X, like I had like a pseudo profile when I was a cop because, you know, like when I was trying to, you know, search people as a crime analyst. So I get on Twitter and I'm talking to these people and these people believed that Darko was an ex-DOJ attorney. Like he was giving them legal advice and solid legal advice. He's on panels with other attorneys and they're believing him he's given you know his insight on what's going on is israel and gaza and people are believing him as this like authority you know and he actually there's there's one story um well i was going to say that the it's funny because you that you mentioned that because i mean these guys like do you know if he's he had ever gone to prison before yeah he did

he did some time after the you got charged in windsor i think he did eight months or something eight months right okay so i wonder if he did legal work while he was there because you have to understand there are guys you know there's a actually there's a um there's a a YouTuber his channel is called blood on the razor wire and he did the guy did like 25 years or something outrageous and but he did legal work like most of the time while he was incarcerated he did legal work and talking to him any law he could convince any lawyer that he's a lawyer he knows as much if not more than every lawyer out there that that that is um practicing law my buddy pete did law work for 20 something years he could convince you and and i actually have a story i had met a guy in prison and i think

i've mentioned this story before um oh god what was his name keegan James keegan So James Keegan showed up at Coleman and he had a few years left on it. Maybe maybe maybe he had an 18 months left on a sentence. He had come from another prison. Well, Keegan had been incarcerated in the state before for like five years. And when he was incarcerated for five years, he did legal work for other inmates. And it's easy to get other inmates to let you do their legal work because the way the court system, at least in the state's works, is that if I wrote a motion that said, hey, I'm, you know, let's say I wrote a motion and I wrote it

in Green Crown. I mean, it's just horrible. And it's called the nice guy motion. And I sent it into the court. And I mentioned about a bunch of court cases on the court releasing people for doing good things. And I say, it's a nice guy motion. You should let me out because I'm a nice guy. The court actually would respond to that as if it was a real motion. Like they would say, oh, this is the court. We're responding to Matt Cox's nice guy motion. We're, you know, where he states that the court should let him out or the government should reduce his sentence and let him out of court because he's a nice guy. He's basing this on these different court cases. The government has 90 days to respond. The 90 days later, the government would respond. We're

currently responding to Mr. Cox's nice guy motion, you know, and then they would respond like it was a real thing. Nobody during that process would ever say, hey, man, this is ridiculous, bro. This guy, this guy doesn't know what this is, this is silly. Like these court cases don't even apply. There's no such thing as a nice guy motion. Like I'm there, like, Your Honor, this is a waste of time. This is frivolous. They wouldn't say that. So a lot of guys start doing legal work for people and the other inmates don't even understand that you don't even know what you're doing. But as you go through that process and you meet with other jailhouse lawyers, you start to understand how the court system works. And after a couple of years, after you've destroyed multiple

inmates cases by filing frivolous, you know, um, um, um, motions, eventually these guys, after a few years, they get really good. And so Keegan, had gone to state prison and was doing legal work for state inmates. So then he got out of state prison, got in trouble again, ended up going back to federal prison, went to federal prison. He was somewhere for a few years, left there, came to Coleman, and he had an 18 months left. He's talking to disparate attorneys. And those disbarred attorneys who were practicing attorneys for five, 10, 15 years all believed

he was a he was an attorney wow he then let's it it inmates were saying would you do my case would you look into my case and he'd say look I got 18 months left I don't want to do anybody's case I typically focus on state cases I've done a bunch of state cases I've represented I've gotten six people off on murder charges I you can have your family look me up like I really don't do federal and so these guys would have their family look them up and sure enough there's all these cases that he'd gotten people off like he was an amazing attorney he was huge attorney right there are all these quotes from judges and articles about him getting off his clients so here's the thing um james keegan's father was named james keegan and he was a famous lawyer and those court cases

So, you know, they don't say in that in the court case from 10 years ago saying that the guy's 60 years old. They think this was him. He's like in his 40. He's like 45 or 50. They think this is him. So now they come back and they're like, bro, please do my. And he say, listen, I'm going to after. I'll do it because when I'm being released to Orlando, Florida, when I get released, I'm actually going to go work for my brother who owns a law firm.

His brother really did own a law firm. And I'm going to go work for them. So let me see if I can talk my brother and let me continue your case while I'm there. And then he'd get on the phone. He'd come back a couple hours later. He'd go, yeah, I can do it. But honestly, bro, like, it's, I'm not doing it for these weight for what you're paying these other guys.

I'm not, I'm not doing it for $200. Like, you got to pay me at least, I don't know, what is the, you know, let me look at your stuff. He'd look at his stuff come back and be like, look, I'll do it for three grand. you got to give me 1500 up front wow you know or i'll do it for 2,500 but you're getting me a thousand up front you can i'll let you make payments you know on the rest of it once i get out have your family send my brother the money have your so he supposedly i've heard different estimates he got like 35 grand out of various um inmates families because their families are

paying this and when he got released he he was released he went to his brother's brother gave him all the money because his brother doesn't realize like his brother's helping his brother out not realizing he's this is legal work that what he's telling them so his brother inmates started filing complaints with the bar association his brother is having to back all the money guys are literally guys that never paid Keegan anything or writing letters to the bar saying, hey, man, this guy owes me $1,500. His brother's stroking him a chet for $1,500.

He's so scared he's going to lose his license. So I hear what you're saying. By the way, that guy, Keegan, he got out. He went to, he was in Orlando for a while. I think eventually he got out. I want to say he went back to Chicago. I know he got re-arrested. He opened the law practice for immigration law.

and over the course of about 18 months he stole something like I want to say it was four or five hundred thousand from immigrants they would come to him they'd give him like 10 grand he'd file all the paperwork for him for them for them and then he'd drag it out for eight nine months and then he'd give him a green card it was all fake he never filed anything so he got i don't know for you whatever half a million i don't know exactly exactly it was it was a chunk of change though and then they arrested him like he stayed he put a shingle up he stayed in the same play for 18 months like why wouldn't you go in get a chunk of money take off so he went back to prison and then he got back out that's crazy

this i would listen i mean obviously this psychopath but i would love to talk this guy the problem with talking to him is you don't know if you're going to get the real story you just would never know but anyway so i i see him if he had gone to law if he'd gone to prison eight months and done legal work you usually have enough you have enough knowledge to probably pull the wool over other attorneys eyes because they're probably not asking too many probing questions and the thing is i'm surprised that guy's still alive oh you can because the thing is it's one thing to scan the public but the scam other guys that are in jail with you they don't even know it he got out like he's like there he didn't ruin even if the case

gets blown up let's say let's say everything gets turned down like I said the court doesn't make it sound like hey you're incompetent got sure they make it sound like you had a legal you had a you had a reasonable argument but the court's gonna it we're gonna go ahead and we're going to based on this motion and based on this and based on these this precedent we're going to decline to grant your nice guy motion they never say like you're an idiot like you don't even know what you're doing they never do that so the inmate reading it that he got denied is like man bro i know you fought the good fight bro like we were you know they'll write it up like hey we really really thought about this but if we're we're going to deny the nice guy motion and so

you know he's like man i told you was it was a long shot it was you know i tried man i tried yeah thanks man that's what happens it's horrible sorry go ahead but but no no that's that's that's that's a crazy story man that's crazy so you all play that guy with darko who just wants to manipulate and torture people that guy's doing it for money i'm assuming oh yeah that's a little bit of a jolly make a little bit of a kick because honestly i think it's just money but you know what's funny about him is like we hung out together all the time i thought he was a lawyer all the other lawyers thought he was lawyer luckily i don't have any legal work for him to do i don't need this other than to just hang out and shoot the shit now you had a guy a friend a member in your story

that who was you said was a little bit oh yeah that's that shit crazy frank amadeo but frank amadeo was a disbarred attorney he was you know but listen frank amadeo was taken in by this guy this guy This guy believed that Frank Omadeo absolutely believed that he was an attorney. Crazy. And you guys walking around their families or are printing out articles on this guy. Guys are like, yeah, bro, this is Jim, bro. He got these two guys off on murder. You're like, oh, my God.

He's going to do my case. Wow, bro. Nice, nice. Yeah. I just hope he can get it done before he leaves. That's crazy. Wow. really you know it's just he had a it's a nice little and keep in mind too as long as he continues to

use his name he can he can continue that for a while wow even even in jail you still on the take man he still wanted to oh this is the whole life i don't think i did find out that the very first case he ever got in trouble for was he worked for a pallet company you know what pallets are right Yep. But he worked for a pallet company. They built pallets. They bought them, sold them. And he was doing the books for them. Eventually, he started doing their books. And he embezzled like half a million dollars and ended up going to prison. So that's how it started. He went to prison. And while I was in prison, he started doing guys legal work. Wow. But you got really good at doing some legal work too, right? When you were. I never really did legal work. I mean, I read a lot of it. I listened to guys. You know, everybody hung out with. was doing legal work, right? So I would listen to them talk and stuff, but I'd ask some questions,

but you have to have a certain, you have to really dedicate yourself to understand the court system and understand that. And I was more interested in writing guy's stories. I didn't get into it much. I used to really be dedicated. And I also didn't want to,

want to trash somebody's case. Yeah. You know, I don't know enough to feel comfortable to take on your case. So, but anyway, so, So Darko. So you were saying, so he's on Twitter. He gets on. So. Yeah. So he's on Twitter. And the thing is people are believing him. And the thing is, like I said, when I wanted to these Twitter spaces, people are crying because they, they just don't want to believe it. And I've been there. And I was on the Twitter space. I'm like, hey, you know what? This is who I am. This is what he did to me. I understand. It's tough. But, you know, that's just who he is. And the reason, like I said, the reason why he got caught was because his own ego. He wanted his photo on Twitter. Twitter. Like it was he just, you know, that's part of it. Like he could have probably gone on for another year or two because a lot of people don't have their photos on Twitter. And lots of, you know,

you know, that's, this is what I hear. You know, I mean, like, so for him, it's, he's just a different cat. Like I'm sure you, if you were to, like I said, you, you, you talk to the guy, you just don't know what is true and what is not. I mean, like, and, and the way you twist things and like, and, and, And I'll tell you something, like he could have been a lawyer. It could have been a doctor. Like one of the guys on the Twitter space, I think it's in the article, he says like he could have been all the things he wanted to be because he's just, he's got this photographic memory.

And he's smart. But the thing is he's just, he's using it for evil, not for good, I guess. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I, there was a guy, by the way. So, you know, these guys that just are like pathological liars, there was a guy when I was in the medium. So I was in a medium security prison for like three years. And he was this, he was a skinny old guy, you know, scraggly beard, long hair.

Really just, he was thin. He was probably in his, I was probably in my 30s at that point, late 30s. And he was probably in his late 50s, early 60s. And it was funny because if you hung out with him long enough, you kind of started realizing. like wow man like you've at first at first you would start to think like wow you've done a lot like you've had a real crazy life bro like you've done it but if you hung out long enough and you were looking for it you started to realize no no i don't think you did fly uh sail your boat around the world twice i don't think you used to be a professional tennis player

no i don't i don't think that you you were a CEO of a fortune 500 company no no you know what it seems odd to me that you climb mount everest for you know and what you would what you realized was that you would be in a group of guys talking and someone would say you know that they were in the you know they were in the you know invasion of of uh of uh or let me not Afghanistan this is this would have been like let's say somebody says you know they were in a desert storm and then he would say well you know I was in the uh invasion of uh operation you know of Grenada and you go really yeah you know I was in the military And then he'd have this whole kind of thing going on.

You go, okay. And then, you know, if you started paying attention to it, you'd realize like somebody else, you know, a week later, you'd start talking. And he'd tell someone that when he graduated high school, he went to college for four years after that. And then he did this. You say, oh, what'd you do after that? So you start probial, oh, what'd you do after college? Well, after college, I started working for a company doing this and this and I'm thinking, when were you in the Army? You know what I mean?

Yeah, I got you. I got you. He doesn't remember that he told us he was in the Army two weeks ago. So, and then as you'd go, you'd say, well, when were you in the Army, he'd go, oh, well, when I was in college, I was in the Army, I was going to college and going to the Army. You're like, you said you went to the University of, you know, South Florida. Like, I don't, how was that, you know, oh, it was a correspondence correspondence. You know, he would just, and, you know, you'd talk and someone. somebody would say, oh, yeah, you know, I used to own a Cessna and he'd say, oh, I owned a and he'd name off some fucking plane.

He'd say, oh, yeah, I have my pilot's license in it. And you'd start to realize, so I start telling everybody, listen, this guy's full of shit. He's full of it. Like, do you understand he has told us he's a pilot, he's a captain, he's, you know, I start naming off all the things. Like nobody, this guy's lived 150, 150 years of lifetime at this point. there's no fucking way and so guys started throwing stuff out there during conversations just to see if he'd jump up there and he would you'd say oh yeah such and such and he'd say oh yeah i was on the construction crew when uh disney started a building disney world we've done disney land and i was uh we were i was one of the structural engineers oh you're a structural engineer too well that's what my degree's in and uh so you know i did that how are you do that about five 10 years And you're so we were, we actually, I actually designed a small world, the ride in Disney. Really? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And you're just like, you're fucking insane, bro. But it, once you realize it, if you have nothing involved, like it would, it became so overwhelmingly comical. We would just, we are all kind of laughing, but he wouldn't lead on to the fact that we're now mocking him. Because he would have to say, oh, you don't think that's true. Or he would have to own up to the fact that we're catching on that it's a lie. And he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to confront us that you don't believe this,

because that might start a conversation that he doesn't want to have. Exactly. But so anyway, I mean, and it's a lot of them do this. They have, just like with Darko, you say, oh, yeah, yeah, my buddy, he's having a problem. you know, with his back. He's like, really? Well, at least he didn't say, like, this guy would actually say, well, you know, I'm a chiropractor. Bring him and go, let's go find him here. I'm under a guy. I'll do that. Like, darko would just say, well, you know, I got a buddy who's a chiropractor. You know, and he would run that whole scam where he's got a buddy who's a chiropractor and he'd

call him up and say, what's the issue? And but darko didn't, this guy actually said he was a chiropractor. Darko's stopping it. I have a friend who's a chiropractor. I can get him seen, you know, in Detroit, let's get him an appointment. It's just, you know, well, I'll pay for everything. Oh, wow, what a great guy. And then he'd figure a way to, to have that whole situation fall apart so that it wasn't his fault. Oh, my buddy, his mother just died. He's got to go to Israel for two months to situate the, you know, the, um, uh, her estate. I'm so sorry. I'm going to contact you as soon as I get back. It'll dark go up this game because the thing is when I was with him when I knew him he actually said that he was a lawyer that he had gone to law school

during the time that we met some Israeli law school and he became a lawyer and that's why I was allowed to send him some of the information like some of the the records checks and stuff because he's working with juliana and actually juliana would always like say oh darko's the one that's this great legal mind he should be a lawyer like he's the one who's figuring all these problems with trying to figure out surveillance and where the drug shipments are coming from so you think she's taken in by him too and that's why she i don't know to what extent like i think maybe he just kind if you want my opinion i think maybe he just kind of texted her a few times and i'll say hey thank you for pretending to be me thank you for looking into the case or something like i don't it's weird though

like it's just weird why do you take an eighteen hundred dollar gift certificate right why don't you get back to me i'm a police officer i'm reaching out to you saying hey this is what's going on fire close played me he's probably played you never heard anything i mean and even like i said even the cop then interviewed her interviewed her said you know hey she knew something some but she just you know she just thought it was all kind of bizarre and it is a bizarre story she may have been embarrassed because at some point she may have figured out something's not right here and she's embarrassed she doesn't want to say hey yeah i actually thought this 100% like everyone gets embarrassed like i'm i feel like a fool man like you know looking back on the story it's just i feel like a

fool like you know i still do something i deal with every day how could i let that happen how can it let this guy destroy my life and the thing is he just the funny thing is it just don't care like he doesn't care about you know all the money that i gave him he doesn't care about who life he destroys in Windsor he doesn't care that he's telling people they have cancer and they're like you know they're distraught and they think they're going to die and then maybe someone that kills themselves you know what i mean like but he wouldn't care you just carry on it wouldn't make a difference well what about these guys who people do really have cancer they set up these treatment centers and then they have someone they say we can we can cure you get us

us $100,000. They go to their friends and family to get them 100,000. They come there. They give them a bunch of bullshit, you know, placebos. They get worse and worse and then they die. It's like, you know, really, to be honest, look at, look at Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs had a treatable cancer that he said, no, I want to do all of this natural healing first. And I'm not saying anybody took him in you know i think he did that to himself he was very into doing all of these natural you know um remedies and stuff he he's just a fool but you had i mean in that aspect i'm not saying steve jobs was a fool but in that aspect he was it was stupid there was a treatable this is a treatable cancer that you could have beaten and instead you spent months and months

trying to do these herbal remedies and your cancer just continue to progress and progress. And by the time you turned and said, okay, let's try and fix it. They were like, fuck, bro, it's too late. You're way far gone now. So, you know, I think what about these people that had, there may have been alternatives to treating their cancers or their, and these people open up these treatment centers and take them for everything they can. They end up dying. You know, they're, these guys are, they're psychopaths. And no, they have no empathy.

they don't care about about you yeah exactly you know and people want to believe that's a good point like people want to believe what they want to believe i mean like i believe darko because hey maybe i want to believe it because my experience within the police department just showed me that these guys just didn't care about anything but themselves like i've got friends who were just targeted like i think before the podcast i think when we first talked i spoke to you about my buddy omar and who was who was targeted and because he's he was Pakistani and he was you know a lot of guys back then especially when we first came on like there was a lot of racism internal like it's institutional and even our department like it was known to be this white boys club and they took any opportunity

to like I remember for instance okay I remember this the sergeant I had and you know I remember walking at a parade one day and in parade he was talking about this guy who was coming back to the department he had i think he got suspended for something but he was getting reinstated it was a black guy named max and um max was a really great guy actually great sense of humor and um so when i was walking out of the parade like he was kind of making some when he was announcing it to the for the room that you know in the briefing that hey max is coming back he's kind of making some snive remarks or whatever whatever but when i'm walking out of the room he's behind me talking to another senior officer he says hey i'm gonna make sure that put the word in there i'm not gonna say it doesn't last here

and like in the back of my mind i'm like holy cow you know what the hell is he saying i mean like okay like that's weird you know i mean like i thought you know and this was like when i was like when i was first on this about maybe on for a year or so anyway With my buddy Omar, what happened was, was that he was visiting a friend of ours was my old high school buddy. He was visiting from Vancouver. So Matt was staying in, I think, at the four points shared in or something. Nice hotel or whatever. So Omar's dropping them off and it's like 1 o'clock in the morning or something.

I wasn't there. So Omar's leaving the room. And when he's leaving, he sees three officers, a sergeant cop. another cop that's been on maybe a couple years and this rookie and the rookie's dad was the staff sergeant of internal affairs or PSP and um they say oh do i think they ask them did you hear anything any disturbance someone was like no just dropped off my buddy and just going home anyway they leave and i guess the rookie is talking to uh the clerk you know at the front desk and she's saying oh well you know there's some lebanese guys that always

come in here, the kind of shady. So he takes it upon himself to run all the people that are staying there. And he sees one guy that's tied to organized crime. And the description that he gets from her doesn't match Omar. And Omar is not Arabic. He's, you know, he's Pakistani, totally different culture. Anyway, so he starts, he writes this report, takes it up to PSB Internal Affairs. And And just so happens that inspector that I just spoke about, he's the inspector of internal affairs now. And this inspector, who's the sergeant at the time, when he was a staff sergeant, you'd get away with anything.

Like there was a rumor going around on the side note that he was having an affair with some girl or whatever. He threatened the whole briefing room, like the whole parade is like 10, 15 officers. He says, if I hear any rumors about me being with this girl, I don't know whether he was having a fair. That's not the point. He goes, I will slit every one of your throats.

And I had officer buddies who were in that room. And nothing happened to the guy. And the guy kept being promoted and get promoted. So he's the inspector now of internal affairs when they get this report of my friend Omar. So, you know, he reads it. And at the time, actually, Omar was just freshly out of, the anti-terrorism unit. The anti-terrorism unit was the Joint Task Force,

RCMP, OPP, and London. And so he's back on the road. And Omar had to do a lot of undercover work. And even after, when he was back on the road, they kept calling him back because Omar was, hey, the guy was brilliant. You know what I mean? This guy wasn't a friend of mine.

This guy was like my brother. Like we went to high school together, play football together. You know, I'm godfather to his son, one of his sons. and they just kept just doing them dirty like he so get back to the story so they do this huge investigation they have OPP spin team looking you know following Omar nothing's going on he's just going home going to work with his kids and he's going home to his kids going to work going to the

gym now so eventually they called Omar in then this inspector and just wants to take a run at him to see if he can get him to cop to anything. So Omar's like, hey, you know, I think I'm going to need the union rep or the association rep to be here with me. So he comes back with the association rep and says, look, this is obviously like totally bullshit. And I don't want you guys do anything. All you have to do, just please counsel this guy, put something on his record saying, because he's new to the department. And he needs to kind of like be careful with what he's doing. what kind of investigations he's opened up all kind of accusations he's making and they wouldn't do it because they didn't want it probably didn't want anything on this kid's file because his dad was

like in internal affairs whatever so omar eventually with dan axford who's the association administrator at the time the union administrator was sitting there and almost says okay lucky if you don't we're going to file a grievance blah blah blah so long story short this inspector says to omar says well if you filed this grievance you're going to win the battle but you're going to lose the war which means hey your career is done right so omar is like screw you guys i'm going to i'm going to file the grievance files the grievance um he also files a human rights complaint sues the department because they're not you know doing anything they actually racially profiled him and they're supporting this and

Long story short goes, they end up settling with him. It was in the paper. You can read the newspaper report and the paper and stuff. And they end up settling him with him out of court. And this is my point with that is that whenever something happens at the department and, you know, they racially profile their own officers or somebody else or they do somebody, they just do whatever they want another friend of mine that was charged these officers are lying on the stand he was he was an officer as well they lie in the stand the judge says that they're

lying on the stand and nothing happens to them because as long as you're doing the bidding of the administration you get away with whatever you want so omar settles and i remember having a conversation with him he's like oh man we're going to settle you know the chief at the time's like shook his hand and said, oh, this is not going to affect your career. Don't worry about it. Like, you know, don't listen to what the other inspector said to you. It's not going to affect it. Okay. So Omar, he applies like a year later, I think, or a year or two later to become a sergeant. And, you know, the process to become a sergeant, they changed it. So there's an exam you write at the police college. There's an application you have to fill out. And

And then there's the interview. And the interview is like the smallest part. So Omar probably maxed, I think he got the highest mark at the college on the test. And you probably maxed out on the application because they take an account like, you know, education, Omar had like an honors economics degree. Omar was very articulate guy,

one of the smartest guys I know, new actually. And, you know, lateral transfers. What kind of experience do you have? So he goes into the interview. And literally he could have probably like shit his pants in there and answer it only answer half the questions he should have been promoted but he does well on the interview he thinks and they don't promote them and I told him I said look man they're not going to promote you like they're never you think that they're not going to hold

this against you I work with these guys in recruiting I know how they talk I know how they take it personally when you stand up to stand up to them I mean like you're I'm like man you should have just you know maybe settled for more money or just left policing if your role if your goal is to become you know move up the ranks because it's not going to happen well fast forward to a few years later like they put him on the street Omar's having a good time on the street like you know he's the guys love him I mean like he's very charismatic anyway he goes to this call and I remember I was working at the time as an auditor at the time and this is around the time when darko was uh you know obviously defrauding me whatever but i was still working and i read the

call notes of this call and i read his report and the call notes came in it was multiple calls some guy standing in the street in front of a coffee shop with a rifle in in uh army gear pointing this thing around like at people so omar he's the first guy unseen and i know i know a lot of guys that probably would have driven around the block three times because they're afraid to go to this call but that's not Omar. Omar one the bravest guys I know as well. If you know we work two section together on the street and that any guy I want covering my back was him. So he gets there. He's the first guy in the scene. He sees the guy who has something that looks like a resembles a rifle, throw it down and he runs. So Omar chases a guy down.

And he reading his report, he chases him down and he arrest the guy. But the guy's like, resisting right the guy's not giving up his hand so more's it has to be a little bit rough with him he'd ran to this like motel or whatever that had video surveillance and so he finally cuffs the guy runs the guy finds out that it wasn't a rifle it was like a umbrella that looked like a samurai sword and so he sees that this guy's like it got a mental illness he's he's got a problem so he takes the guy to the hospital to get checked out he doesn't charge him right and um they released the guy omar actually feels bad for me says look man the guy probably hadn't eaten in fucking days so i gave him 10 bucks to go buy lunch i mean like that's the kind of guy omar was right and um and i worked the street

with him like for a number of years and he's my he's my brother man like the guy had a heart of gold like you needed something he was going to give it to you and he wasn't these guys who's going to push people around like if if you wanted a guy to work with on the street that was the guy you wanted on your side so a couple weeks later this guy comes in and says that he has a cracked rib so then the london police started investigating the incident so they end up charging long story short charging Omar with assault bodily harm against this guy and then that police I mean in the press release it makes it sound like because they control the press release right it makes it sound like Omar was driving down the road saw this guy in the street and decided to

beat him up and then so Omar's like he's like beside himself he's like hey man that's not what happened they end up charging him for assault baldy herm before the investigation was even done Omar's like, well, have you looked at the video? You know, have you, have you done that full investigation here? So anyway, the crown, the charges go nowhere. The crown, the crown drops the charges and says like, this is, this is bullshit kind of thing. But they took any opportunity that they could to make this guy, the guy's life a living hell. So he's off on PTSD, actually.

And, you know, out there, they say one thing, they say, oh, you know what? We want to support our officers who have PTSD. We want to support these guys. You know, well, he's off on PTSD and they clean out his locker. And in the back of his locker, they find, like, I think someone's like health card or driver's license that he forgot to log in, right? So they sent him a letter right away. And they say, well, we know you're off on PTSD.

You have a mental health issue. but when you come back we're going to investigate you for this for not log in this this property into property control and you know it's probably stay in the same in the States but up here we have the Police Services Act where it's just for police officers like conduct unbecoming discredible conduct you get charge under this stuff you lose hours to the extreme you can lose your job right so what I can never you know really fathom is that know in other cases and i can we can talk about this all day where you have officers lying on the

stand to sink another officer and you don't do anything about that but you have a guy who's off on PTSD and you're going to hammer him and tell him as soon as he comes back to work you're going to charge him right getting into it just doesn't make sense like even in my case the guy that from the london police on the london side he was uh ex internal affairs right he he worked in eternal affairs for a couple years and then he was assigned to to investigate me well in my case and what really got me in trouble was i wrote this affidavit and in that affidavit i was spelling out the corruption in the police department and there's three different versions of that right And so when I give Darko, Juliana, I thought, the one copy of the affidavit that I signed,

and Darko had notarized because he said he was a notary as well, of course. So, you know, he kept that and he kept the other two copies as well. One was a written copy with like talking about really crazy stuff and not crazy, but really kind of like exposing stuff, like, you know, how they covered up for a pedophile. in the department they didn't charge the guy talking about ex-chief you know talking about lots of things like that the senior offers are up to because that's what juliana wanted me do and she wanted to talk she wanted me to give it to her from my experience how like um she wanted to prove conspiracy so she wanted me to talk about how um how the um process the um not the hiring process

but the promotional process from sergeant and up to chief was skewed and manipulated. And it was like, you know, they just picked the people that they want up there. The people that should be chief and deputy chief aren't the people that should end up having the job. So in my case, this guy gets, you know, kind of the backtrack a bit. But at a certain point when they're investigating me, they call the OPP and say, okay, you know, we're investigating one of our own officers. This is what's going on. OPP, it's your,

it's your investigation. We've got to make sure we, you know, unbiased here. So the OPP are like, well, you know, they offered that, you know,

help out any of which way they can. Well, London never, never, you know, relinquish control of the, of the investigation. Like the London investigator

and OPP investigator do everything together. And actually London is actually the, the department that writes the warrants, executes the warrants, gets all the evidence and examines all the evidence. So like OPP, even the OPP officer in the trial said, hey, you know what, we're a co-leads. I wasn't really the lead, whereas London's like, oh no, we made OPP the lead. So anyway, Darko, when he gets interviewed before they had like pulled me over to seize my cell phone um darko when he's interviewed gives him a copy of this affidavit i wrote talking about a law

of the corruption from my view that was valid that was really happened so when darko gives that over it gives it to the london police officer and in my case he doesn't follow proper procedure he doesn't like log that in the property control he doesn't even log it in his notes right away. He logs it in, like, and this guy is anal, like Cam's anal. Like, you read his notes. Everything's in order, right? But when he gets to this affidavit, they both read it, the OPP officer and him. But he doesn't log it in to his notes until the end of that day for some strange reason. In their meeting, like they have like project meeting. So they're a big project investigating me. In that meeting, there was no, nobody talked about the affidavit.

Nobody even said, hey, you know what? Okay, London's co-lead in this investigation. So now that we have this document, we should be completely removed from investigation. Now, we should be OPP only. You know, he's making a lot of allegations in this document. Anyway, that doesn't happen. And to go further, when they do it, the warrant. aren't a darko's residence that the that the london police actually executed o pp weren't even there

they seized an envelope with you know it said um had my name on it and had very like the officer that seized it in his notes says oh there's vast amount of documents in there well i had given darko three copies like i said and the only one copy that was actually logged into property control well after days and days after um was the copy that was given to the investigators at the time when darko was interviewed by them because darko had called them knowing that because i found out what had happened so he called them you know volunteering his statement and worse make matters worse is that they they had seized all these phones you had like five cell phones all this property and rather than log that into property control which is what

policy says says by the end of your shift that has to all go into property control this officer keeps it in his office it says he has the only key to the office so it's okay well that's bullshit because i used to work headquarters and there's a master key that opens all the doors there's senior officers has key have keys for everything right they can come and go as they please during that time where that stuff was in his office and he made up all these excuses and this is a guy that used to work in PSB you know he doesn't get you know he's he's allowed if he's doing the bidding for the administration if he's investigating somebody that you know that they want targeted because i i wrote that you know it doesn't matter what you do like you lie in the stand

it doesn't make a difference no officers you know another friend in mine like i said before and And the worst part about it is nothing happens to these guys. You know, like they can just, they just do what they want to do. And if they want to target you, they're going to target you. See, what happened was is like the reason why I know this and coming from somebody that was kind of involved in the case, I get a phone call. I get charged in November for breach of trust. Because you sent documents to Darko thinking he was an attorney.

and working with this other attorney on a corruption case. Correct. Okay. And so I got charged with breach of trust. Conspiracy to commit breach of trust, where I'm the only person to get charged for conspiracy to commit, which doesn't make sense. And they don't charge Darko for defraudomy. And I've got my own theories on that, even though I asked them to, like I asked them to investigate it. So just after I get charged, I don't have disclosure yet.

I don't even know what happened behind the scenes, like with Darko and how he had met the investigators and give them a statement, whatever. So at this point, I get a phone call from my buddy who works at the police station and says, look, dude, you know, the only reason why they're charging you is because you wrote a manifesto. and darko had brought that in um to his interview and gave it to them that's why they're pissed at you i'm like what i go manifesto i didn't read a manifesto what the fuck you're talking about well a couple days later i'm like oh maybe it's that affidavit so anyway fast forward we get disclosure and that's exactly what happened in disclosure they call in a manifesto in disclosure darko is the one that brings to them and gives it to the investigators and obviously goes straight to the administration right so you know what i'm saying is like hey if i was somebody else i probably wouldn't even got charged

if i didn't write that document i may have not been charged darko may have been the one that was charged because of that document and because of what darko was trying to expose most of it was bullshit right they end up charging me and letting him go free um now i don't want to sound like i'm complaining here like you know if i was in their shoes i probably have to charge my me as well like i i fucked up man like hey i gave out information i shouldn't have given out i didn't have the mens rea per se like i i i didn't have that i did the act but i didn't have the guilty mind but the guilty mind I did have was trying to expose the corruption within the department and that's the issue and like anybody that stands up to them like whether it's Omar or

whether it's somebody else countless number of other people like you can be a pedophile and they'll cover up for you you can there's a there's a there's a guy that you know him and his buddy this one cop and his buddy this has happened when I just got on the department him and his buddy have a 17 year old escort come over and they they sleep with her whatever she finds out i think the one guy's a cop and so she makes a complaint so he doesn't get charged criminally and they opt to just go under the PSA then police services act right to charge him under that so he doesn't lose his job though he gets demoted for a bit um but do you want a guy like that being a cop in the in the city and the worst part about this matt is that his wife was a cop

and she was at work at the time when all this happened so like i don't want to get into like you know sounding like i'm i'm using this as a soundboard to complain about the london police i'm just saying like policing in general whether it's an institutional or whether it's it's the whole justice system is flawed you know i mean the whole justice system is not for you or me man It's for their own, the people that are involved in that. It's for furthering their careers often. You find very few people up at the high ranks that really care. I know a few people, but you know, most of the time,

they're just, they want more money, they want more power, they want control, you know, they want notoriety, you name it. What ends up happening with Darko? I mean, they charge you, you go, go to trial right or is it a hearing or is it like a trial yeah we went to trial yeah that's another story i don't think we got time to get into it but yeah we went to a trial and i'm assuming you i lose and that's that's another story and i don't want to you know it sound like i'm griping here too much but yeah there's a so i lose that trial i filed an abuse of process motion meaning

that you know why are the london police investigating me why is all this evidence going missing of the evidence that was missing is that on my phone i knew there was all these audio recordings ahead of darko when we got disclosure they weren't there i had to hire an expert the expert kind of uh the computer expert you know pretty much says like you know why is london doing the examinations of of the devices when o pp has a way better facility you know like and as you go into the case like you see that london vetted all the information i went to o pp Because during my time with Darko, at one point, Juliana wanted me take an audio, a statement from Darko.

And so I take the statement and I send it to Julianna, but I have a copy on my phone. Right. And I actually give it to Aeson, my buddy Tubbs there, after I found out that I was defrauded. And when the police actually got a copy from Aeson, and submitted it into evidence those audio recordings weren't there the recordings of me and him after were there but not those recordings so they they just didn't really care about they were

losing evidence and they didn't really care because you know for them you know they were just focused on me and then even with darko like if they charge darko what happens well the case becomes why was darko able to defraud me not the case oh you gave what information and you're you're the bad cop and you're the guy who it comes less about the police corruption and it comes all about me giving them information like even the reporters like i sat down with uh dale and randy and dale and randy great guys and they wrote a the part about darko the article in london free press but even when i talked to them I was talking about the police corruption and all this stuff.

And I'm like, hey, you know, like, these are the reasons why I got defrauded. And this is why I believe the guy. And this is the truth from what I've seen. And Darkle obviously just took a little bit of that truth, which he always does, as you probably know, take a little bit of truth. And then you make it into a bigger lie. You know what I mean? And they don't really want to touch it. Like, you know, they have to have a, um, they have to have a, um, a.

man of they have to you know have a relationship with the london police because these are the police reporters and randy had written an article who got shit for it's called we are the cops and it's about an assault sergeant in london who boot stomped this girl in cells and she was like 120 hundred 30 pounds or something and as you read that article um you see that like we talked about before The sergeant's, you know, assaulting this girl who's tied down, like she's, she's handcuffed, tied to a stretcher, and he's, he's bootstopping her, and all the other officers don't write anything, don't do anything. They don't write anything in their report. It's all supportive of, of the sergeant's account. Well, long story short, in that article, Randy says, points out that her, um, the defense attorney actually, you know, says, okay, well, if you're charging, because they end up charging her with assault because she had bit the sergeant while she was getting assaulted. So the, her attorney says, look, I want a copy of the cell video.

Everything's recorded there. I want a copy of the, the transport video as well. Well, months and months and months and months go by. And he can't get a copy. he has to go in front of the judge for like the fifth time and get a copy of the video and the crown says oh well we haven't seen seen the video we don't know it's on the video why is this important why is this pertinent to the case well because you're charging her for assault police of something to happen in cells but you won't give us the video that shows so long

story short and what ends up happening is the crown eventually has to concede the video and in the next court date the crown says yeah i watch the video i think you're the defense we're going to withdraw the charges and i think the defense is going to have a motion so they end up charging the officer with uh with assault right and but that makes it makes my but that happens all the time and you know what i know the officer that was charged you know what he's a great guy he's a good guy but the thing is he had a bad day you know what i mean And it's, I'd probably say that I wouldn't, I'm surprised that that happened because he doesn't seem like the type of guy that would do something like that. But we all have bad days. We have stress or whatever. And, you know, like I said, most of the guys on the street are there to do a job and they want to serve the community. It's just, it's the whole, that whole mindset, right? You know what I mean? Like, you know, you're in this club and, you know, you got to be careful how you act.

that club because you can have a good career or you can lose your job or you can have a really bad career so what what ends up happening with uh with darko i mean that he's never charged he just disappears and the thing is like this is the funny part like you know he gets charged for all these like minor offenses like shoplifting and stuff and he's on conditions he gets released on conditions and one of them is to reside permit what does that mean conditions um so like it's a little bit different like than the states like we don't usually for like petty crime like that you don't usually get a big bond or whatever like you know you may have a surety come in and they may say okay well we release you on like two thousand dollars uh bond but they never take a deposit so when he gets

released from all these like petty thefts and stuff you gets released on conditions like say to reside a certain address, not to commit another offense. Or depending on what, you know, what the fence is. Like if you, you know, if you got charged for a domestic, you'd probably be released on conditions not to contact your, your, your wife or your partner, whatever, right? So he gets released on conditions to, to reside at a certain address. And, you know, he breaches those conditions and usually what happens is once you get once you breach a condition you get arrested right they put a warrant out for you you get arrested and then they make either they hold you in custody or they make the conditions harder well for him they made it easier they just removed that condition and just

released him there's a report by an officer well darko goes up and he's been uh given a summons to appear in court as a witness in my case and he tells the officer he's like i'm not showing up for that goes he even admits he even tells the officer like hey you can you can send me whatever you want i'm not showing up like you know i'm afraid of the police and and i was trying to get this guy on the side like he manipulates everybody but um and you know there's something called a witness warrant if someone tells you that you know they're not going to show up and you've been summoned and you don't honestly believe that they're not going to show up then you can issue a witness warrant for them where they hold the person in custody until you know they're

to give evidence. Well, they didn't really care. They didn't, they didn't care about having him come to court. When my trial was going on, he was, I think, in Ottawa or he'd been long gone. Like, he got arrested, I think, just before my trial in Ottawa in a stolen vehicle or something. And then he got released from them. And then the worst part about it, man, I'll tell you, the day before my trial i get an email from him and he's trying to say i should read it to you but i don't have in front of me he's trying to say look you know what goes this is a hypothetical movie scenario he's like there was a good cop who got conned by one of the smartest guys in the world kind of thing says and in this movie the good cop gives the criminal 1500 dollars for a written confession

gives him another $1,500 for a signed confession and then he gives another $1,500 for a video confession. You know, like, please, you know, nobody wants to see you destroy kind of thing. Well, I don't respond to that. He's trying to extort me, right? So we sent, my lawyer sends it to the police and says, look, this is from Darko, obviously. He's trying to, well, they don't investigate that either. And then during the trial, actually, because there's, you know, the local reporters are given out. like updates on the trial has it going and stuff like that but during the trial he sends me a

text message same he writes this like poem saying like you know hey you know you need to give me money same kind of thing give me all this money and then i'll give you a video confession again giving it to the police and they they could care less about that you know i mean like the guy the guy was relentless like even when i was in my the darkest days he just didn't care he just wanted to see if if you can get that last, you know, 1,500 bucks from me. Hmm. Well, I mean, at some point, this is going to catch, it's got to catch out with him. At some point, he's going to cross somebody that, you know, that, well, I mean, I don't know, a lot of these guys, they just do this forever. They keep going, even when they get caught.

And in Canada, it's, Canada, you get caught and you get eight months, you get a year. They'll give you five years and you do. six months and then you're back you're on an ankle monitor living in your house working a regular job you know um so i don't even know what to say like i i wonder if at some point he'll get grabbed and really listen at some point you know what's really messed up is i had met this one canadian guy who got 15 years and i mean he was absolutely devastated straight con man right I mean he'll tell you that he wasn't but if you listen to the whole thing it's like stop

bro you know and he was convincing people to invest in it in um some fucking bullshit fund to do something and what was so funny is that he ended up grabbing a few Americans and he was in Canada but he hits a American but in his mind he was saying well I'm in Canada I'm breaking Canadian laws like oh no no well the united states didn't find that funny at all they actually and can canada was more than willing to extradite him because they knew even if we had slam this guy he's going to get three years he's going to be out in nine months you know eight months this guy got extradited to the united states he got 15 years he had done like seven years and

it was coming up on the 50 percent mark and at 50 percent you can apply to get, apply to be moved to Canada to serve out the rest of your sentence, right? And so he ended up, he did end up going, getting moved back to Canada, but they first sent him to an ice facility in the United States. And I don't know if you know about ice facilities. They are horrific. Like, they're horrible facility. So he, and the whole time, he was locked up at Coleman, at the prison I was in, it was

a low security prison, you would have thought he was in a concentration camp. He bitched and moaned and complained and it was the worst thing ever. This is horrible. How could they treat us like this? And it was just like, it's not bad. It's not a bad place. It's not horrible. When you were ripping off all those people, what did you think prison was going to be like? You know, really good. But of course, in his mind, he really did think, I'm going to go to a Canadian prison. Like, it's not going to be bad. And I'm not going to get that much time. Anyway, he, he was held in the, in the ice facility for six months.

And, and, and he was moved back to Canada. And within like a month and a half, he was on an ankle monitor and sent home. So, but yeah, I was going to say, old Darko, at some point, he'll make the mistake of crossing the wrong person or thinking, obviously thinks he's so smart. he'll do something fucked up and it'll come back on him and he'll get some real time or he'll he'll end up screwing over an American and he'll get yanked into America and he'll end up a 20 year sentence that he didn't even think was possible. Hey you guys, I appreciate you watching. If you like the video, do me a favor. Hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you get notified of videos like this. Please consider joining my Patreon. It really helps Colby and I make videos like this.

Leave a message. I'll try and get back to you. I appreciate you guys watching. Thank you very much. See ya.