Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Corrupt Accountant Steals Millions From The IRS | Lessons From Loss, Greed, & Betrayal

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

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we gotta end this story why just I just you got water in your eyes the starting over was so fucking August the 87 I was enrolled in college at Morris Brown College in Atlanta Georgia

as an accounting major I do three semesters right and then my addiction takes off now I'm just getting high to the point the way I'm not even going to school, I ain't working, I ain't doing nothing. My life is just completely falling apart. I'm 21 years old.

This is 1990 and I just can't believe like the mess that I didn't made in my life, right? And I'm telling myself like, yo, Sean, man, you better than this, man. You better than this. You came now here to go to college, man, and look at, you know, look at what you're doing, man. But I didn't want to admit like that I had a problem. I had a problem with that, right? Because I thought that that was a sign of weakness, you know, for a nigga to be like, oh, I can't control my drug use.

I can't control my alcohol. I can't control my weed. But that was my reality, man. That was my reality. And I ended up going to a 28-day treatment program in Smyrna, Georgia. And I got clean and I never looked back, man. I never got hired after that since. So you got out?

What did you do? You went back to school? This facility, this 20-day program changes my life. They say, Sean, man, you got to go to 60 days aftercare twice a week and then start going to meetings, you know, start making AA meetings, you know what I'm saying? And at that point, they had CA meetings. And I did everything they told me, man, because, you know, drugs and drug or addiction, man. That shit beat my ass, man. It, it, um, you know, nothing's ever did me like

that, right? The pain, the psychological pain, the spiritual pain, the lost hopes, the dreams lost. Here, I leave Jersey to go to Atlanta to go to college, get an accounting degree, right? And like I told you, all through junior high and high school, I'm gifted and talented, right? Academics is ever been nothing for me, to read something or math or none of that. That shit is small potatoes. And here, I leave Jersey to come to Atlanta. And instead of getting my degree and being in college, I'm in drug rehab. Right. So my self-esteem and my, you know, I really ain't digging myself too much at this point. So I do everything they tell me. I stay out of school, about a year, year and a half. I'm working. And then I call my mother. I'm like, yo, ma, I want to go

back to school, I want to finish my degree. And she was like, you show, you want to go now? Because I ain't going to be spending all that money now up there, you up there messing around. I said, my, I want to go finish. And she paid for me, she paid my tuition to go

back. And then I finished up with the best grades I had ever made, man. And I ended up getting my accounting degree finishing up with a 2.8 GPA. And caddying. I'm back at the golf course. caddying while I'm in school, because I'm going to school in the A.U.

Center, Morris Brown College, which is a historically black college in Atlanta, Georgia. But I'm going up to Marietta, Alpharetta. I'm caddying at these golf courses because I started caddying back in Jersey when I was 16. So, you know, when you're caddying at these private country clubs, all these dudes, they either own something or they're the president or something or the CEO or something.

So I got a job right after I graduated. I think I worked that job like six months and then I wanted to always work on Wall Street as a stockbroker and so I left Atlanta and came back to Jersey and what did you get a job there did you get your when I got back to Jersey

you got to take all those tests I sat for the CPA exam twice failed it both times didn't study I thought I was just going to be able to pass it but I didn't really want to be a a certified public account like sitting in an office and shit and just crunching numbers and shit all day. So I go back to the golf course. You said you went to, you wanted to work on Wall Street. Right, right, right. Right. To go take the series, what, six, 30s? Do you notice that things like

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felony in Atlanta. I caught my felony in 92. For what? Selling drugs. This is after I get clean. This is after I get clean. After I get clean, I come up with the bright idea. So, well, listen, now I'm going to start selling to make back all the money that I spent getting high. So I started doing that. Bright idea, right? So I started doing that. I get busted. right and um i get a felony first offender they had a first first offender program that if you completed your probation you know you didn't get prison time but if you completed your probation they would wipe your record clean or they adjudicated the sentence or what do they call it expunged it or there's a name for it i heard you talk about right i don't know what they did or

whatever but anyway i end up violating the probation like a month before i only had six months I ended up violating the probation in like the fifth month. So the charge stayed on my record. What was a violation for? I was, I had a curfew. Oh, okay. I had a curfew. And I was going to the, I went to the club one night.

My probation officer followed me down there. Jesus, you had a, he was taking it a little serious, wasn't he? For a guy on six months probation, you're following them? This is the fifth month, man. Yep, she followed me down there. And then she called me the next day. She says, she said, Mr. Gumby, where was you at last night? I said, I was here.

I was home. She said, the last time we seen you, you was on 85 going down. And I had went to 112. It was a club called 112 in Atlanta at that time. So she said, would you need to come on down here with your toothbrush? And I went down. For a month? They arrested me, man.

And that knocked me out the box from that first offender joint. and yeah so now the felony is on my record so I can't work for a financial institution I can't work for a bank I can't work on Wall Street all of those dreams are dead so I come back to Jersey and I'm cadding on the golf course and a Polish dude man white man he took a liking to me and he placed accountants he had it a place placement firm, recruitment firm that he placed account. So he said, then you get your degree. He said, what you're doing, Caddy him, man?

And I told him, I said, man, you know what I'm saying? Fucked up, man. I got discharged. He said, bring me your resume. He said, come to see me on Monday. Bring me your resume. So I went up to his office and seen him. His office was in total wide New Jersey.

I went up there and he took my resume and he got me a job. He got me a job. And I think he forfeited his fee as a favor for me to get the job with the company. Because when they place people, the company pays them. I think he told him, Sam, man, don't worry about it. Just give him a job. Right. He's cool.

I know him. He's all right. And I got that job. And I was, I worked that job. I got that job in 95. I think I stayed there to like 99. 90, 99, got promoted, and I ended up doing what I always wanted to do, which was mergers and acquisitions.

Went back, got my master's degree with that company through a tuition reimbursement program and worked in the accounts receivable department, the compliance department, the law department, the finance department, and ended up eventually doing, became a senior business analyst doing mergers and acquisitions across the country of real estate companies. working on small deals of $10,000 roll-ups to $100 million companies.

Okay. So why did you leave there? Would you go start your own thing? They passed me up for a promotion, man. And it pissed me off, man. They passed me up for a promotion. I was doing the mergers and acquisitions, right? I was the senior business analyst, right?

It was another dude that was doing the same thing I was doing, but I trained him. So the director's position comes open. It's got to be me. It's got to be me. The VP hires his homeboy from a whole another department who went to the same college with him. They started the company at the same time, hires him to come in and be the director. And this motherfucker didn't know nothing about how to do reconstructed EBITDA, you know, put multiples on company. He knew nothing. I had to train this This motherfucker, man.

And I was hot. I was hot. They tried to talk me out of it. They gave me a little raise, but I was, I was hot, man, because that was supposed to be me. So then this other company who was doing the same thing we was doing, they stepped to me and gave me, I think it was like $72,000 a year. This is in 1999, right? And I'm single.

I ain't got no kids, no lady. So I took it. It's good money. I took it and I stayed there. After I got there like 30 days, I said, man, this ain't. Like the money sometimes don't, all money ain't good money, right? And because you get a promotion or raised with another company, you're making more money. You know, there were intangibles that I had with the company that I started with.

Like, I can leave when I want. I can come when I want. Everybody knew me. You know, you got freedoms. Yeah. Then you get to the new joint. It's a different set of rules. it's more structured, even though I was making more money, and I didn't like it.

So I left that and went into entrepreneurship, started my own business. What was a, was multiple business or just the, what's, or one business? What did you do? Then I started when I left the corporate world. Business brokerage. Business brokerage. You're selling businesses? Right.

I'm helping, I'm helping, I'm helping business owners sell their businesses. So what I did was the companies that I worked for, we were going around. the country buying up real estate companies, right? And... So you know that's a thing. Right. So when I left them, I said, well, I'm going to approach these companies that are trying to sell themselves, tell them to let me represent them, and I take 5% of whatever the purchase price is.

Because you know what these companies are looking for. I know what they want. And I know how to do it. And I know I got the phone numbers to the right people to make it happen. And I started doing that. see to me I'm thinking so I go in I cook the books make it look like what they want but that's probably not what you did you probably no I didn't do that no no um so how long did that last that didn't that was I didn't sell not one company what I had I had man Matt I had I had a credit card with a $5,000 limit I think I had about $6,500 in the bank I had about 11 grand. Man, I went through that money in like about four or five months. You know,

entrepreneurship is tough, right? I ain't got no food in the crib. I'm eating motherfucking canned beans, loaf of bread with tap water. But I'm focused. I'm going to get this business off the ground. I'm going to get this business off the ground. And I ended up finally getting a deal in Cincinnati. A guy let me help him sell his company in Cincinnati. I got a commission from that. Then I got another five companies up in Pennsylvania. But I quickly, I pivoted to that because my mother, she told me, she says, well, why don't you do taxes? And I was like, man, I don't want to do no taxes, man. That shit is beneath me, man. But after I left the company, ran through all my money, I was dead-ass broke. I decided, I said, you know what, I'm going to start

doing taxes, man. So I did my first year of taxes, I think I did the 1999 year. It was 2000, so I did the 1999 year. And that was the business that you know, I took that eventually from doing 19 returns to first year

to becoming a millionaire doing that. Yeah, it's funny. I have the company next to my, or there's an insurance company or agency that was right next to my mortgage. company and the girl or secretary for i don't know what she was she worked there she worked for this guy selling insurance right and but for two months out of the year she did taxes you know she's a

h-and-r block approved whatever and i remember i asked her one time uh because i used to go to her when I had clients that had 1040s and you know they'll they'll make 150,000 a year but they're telling the IRS after the right off they're making 15 right so I'd go to her and say listen I need to fix this so that this guy it looks like this guy's making 90,000 a year after the right offs and she would I'd pay her 50 bucks she'd fix them give them to me but I remember asked her one time I said because literally for those two months they would put a sign up saying they do they're doing taxes and I was like what do you I don't understand what's will you do taxes and you also like She said, I said, what do you make doing that a couple months out of the year?

And she said, honestly, I was like, yeah, she said, I make about $40,000 working for Ron or whatever the guy's name is. And she said, during that two or three month period, she said, I make another $40,000. No question. So she was in three months, she was, or two months, she was doing this. So she's like, I'm making $80,000 to $90,000 a year. I used to do $200 grand in February. You know, they, they, so if you think, $50,000 a week. So what do you do the rest of the year?

Are you just doing bookkeeping? Nothing. Oh, I do bookkeeping for people. No, I didn't want to do. My taxes are horrible. No. It's horrible. But I had got my real estate broker's license too.

With the felony? Yes. See, people tell me that all the, oh, you got a felony. Absolutely. Yeah, you can. Absolutely. Lots of people, they got it. Absolutely.

So the business, the tax business was slow in the beginning. The first year, I'd do 19. returns, right? I think I make like, what I made, $2,000 or some shit. The next year comes around, I keep going, and the money is tight. So I start teaching at three community colleges in northern New Jersey, Essex County Community College in Newark, Passate County Community College in Patterson, and Bergen Community College in Paramus. What are you teaching? I'm teaching math. Okay. You know, because I got the accounting degree, and then I got my master's in finance, my MS and financial

management. Okay. So I'm teaching math at these colleges, doing taxes and caddy, and I'm still I go back to the golf course. The golf course has been a savior for me, man. But eventually the tax business grows. It grows every year. It grows every year.

And by the time 2005 rolled around, I was able to was that 2005 or 2008. By the time 2008 rolled around. I was able to get my own office. You know what I'm saying? I had my broker's license. I took the, I sat for the real estate exam. And when you go sit for the test in Jersey, when you pass, you have to do this questionnaire. And one of it was, have you been convicted of a felony? I checked, yes, right? Don't lie to them. And so they didn't

give me my license right on the spot like they was doing everybody else. Right. So you, well, you still had to take the class. Then you still had to take the test and you did so when you passed all that right you passed they're supposed to be like you pass same day the same day but they was like now you got this felony you know you're going to get a letter from trenton trenton which is the capital of new jersey so trenton sent me a letter saying like yo what's up with this felony send us the disposition uh of the case and write a letter i did that i called down to atlanta i got the disposition of my case all the paperwork wrote a letter sent it into them.

About two weeks later, they sent me my license. Nice. Cool. Yeah, I've heard people say that they actually had to go, like, talk in front of, like, there was, like, a three-panel board or three people would, you go somewhere, or now they'd probably do it on the zoo, where they'd go and they'd just ask them a couple questions. They'd send them the same stuff, but they'd ask them some questions.

Well, what I'm doing now? Boom, boom, boom. I was, I was 21 years old. It was a stupid mistake. And they're like, okay, cool. He's never been in trouble since then. He's doing a bunch of good stuff. He's good.

So, all right, so you got, so you got your, you're doing, you're doing all kinds of stuff. Are you married? No. No girlfriend. A bunch of girlfriends. So what, what's, so what happens, uh, how do things progress from there? Uh, I, uh, I'm selling real estate. I'm doing short sales.

I, I, I become, uh, very adept at doing short sales. So what's a short sale? By the way, I know what a short sale is. But you want to know what the people? The people need to know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So around 05, 2006, 2005, 2006, 2007,

the real estate market is going crazy. That's when they're doing all those banks are selling those CDOs. Yeah, the subprimes. The subprimes, the CDOs collateralized debt obligations, and they're selling these. packages and interest rates are low and the values of property is going through the roof. You don't have to put no money down. As long as you breathe in and you got a Social Security

number, they're going to loan you $500,000 to get this house. So remember when Bush comes in, the economy crashes, what they call it, the Great Recession or whatever? Yeah, the 2008 financial crisis. Right. So when that comes in, now everybody who got these loans that they couldn't afford from the door and the prices, these inflated prices of real estate, when that shit happens, everything crashes. The property values come down. The subprime market crashes. Now people are six months behind on their payments. People are underwater in these houses they don't want to pay. So what a short sale is, is that a house that got a home buyer bought in 06 for 300,000. now in 08

after this it's worth $250 or $2.20 right? The subprime market crash right now it's worth $210

right so the people are underwater they stop paying so what I would do is I would call the bank I would get I will go to the homeowner

get them to write a letter giving me authorization to speak to the bank on their behalf and that I was going to get them out of the situation that they were in where they were paying for a house

that didn't have its value and then I will go straight to the bank and say, look, I can sell this house you know, tomorrow you know, for 200. I know that you owe 300, y'all got to take a $100,000 hit. And most of the times

they would be like, all right, bet. So it's a short sale because they're willing to short what they're owed for a sale as a result of them having to foreclose on a property because typically a foreclosure, they get about 70 cents on the dollar of what the house is really worth. So the house is really worth $2.10. They're not even going to get the $2.10. They're going to get 30% less than that.

And have to continue to pay the taxes on it. And they're worth, and they owe $300,000. So your deal is better. It's better that way. Plus they get the keys back. They don't think people don't put up a fight. You get somebody else in the property. That's all you need is somebody walks in front of a judge.

trying to foreclose with a couple of little snotty-nosed kids, you know, and they're like, you know, or they bring some kid in with the oxygen masks, you know, and my honor, your honor, my son is, he's on oxygen. You can't throw us out. And the judge says, oh, give him another six months. Give me another year. Give it and you keep doing that. Like, there are people there were years they were staying in houses. Yes. So it's, you know, you take the short payoff and you get the shit off your books and you move on to the next deal. Right. Yeah, which is obviously that's different than a loan modification. Did you ever try and do any loan modifications or no?

I did. It was like 2009? Wasn't that later? Yeah, you bring that term up. I probably did, but I was really locked in on them short sales. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because you know, the loan modifications were where you would go to the bank and say they'll restructure the loan, take all the payments, put them on the back of the loan. Right, right, right, right.

Lower the rate. And then they'll start paying again, but they can't pay $2,000 a month. They can pay $1,500. Right. And the bank would remodify the loan and say, okay, we can do that. Right. Right. So all the payments you missed up front, they would put them on the backing.

Right. Right. Right. Sometimes they reduce the rate. So I mean, not the rate, sorry, the principal. Sometimes they say, you owe $300,000, but the house, you're right. The house is worth this, whatever, whether it's your fault or the economy, whatever, we'll refinance it essentially for $110 and make the payments on $1.10 on the bank.

better interest rate and then suddenly it's it's something they can pay as opposed to just leave yeah i didn't i didn't do too much of them i was just typically on the short sales and i was buying properties at the time so my my my principal of myself was i was going to buy one house a year and um before i ended up going to prison i had nine houses nice so i had a my property management business i had my tax business my consulting business and i had my real estate broker's business All legitimate business. You don't have time to do anything. You don't have nothing.

You got no time at all. I was busy. I didn't have no kids at the time. You know what I'm saying? I was dealing with a lot of ladies at the time. So that's what it was. So how long? So this continues until until today and everything's great.

And I appreciate you stopping by. No, no. Is that not the way of work? That ain't. That ain't had a story. That ain't had a story. That ain't how the story. That ain't how to story.

What, man. That ain't how it went. So what happened? So I'm chilling like Matt Dillon, ain't robbing, ain't stealing. I'm getting money, my money tall. I'm dealing with a bunch of women, man. You know what I'm saying?

I'm flying to Africa. I'm flying all over the world. You know what I'm saying? I ain't never had this amount of money in my life. And, you know, I had achieved a girl. My dream was to become a millionaire, right, because I had grew up caddying on a golf course and I saw these rich men and I see, y'all want to be rich too, man. So I achieved it, I achieved it, man.

And, you know, it was a good feeling, man. It was a good feeling. I had bought some stock and serious radio. This was before they merged with X-N. It was serious satellite radio and it was XM radio. That shit had blew my account up. My TD Ameritrade account had about $656,000 in that. And like I say, my tax business was bringing me in like $400,000 a year.

So I was chilling, man. I didn't have no kids. And then one morning, April 14th, 2011, two days before the end of the tax season. season. I leave Jersey City. I ride to my office in Clifton. Get out the, um, my car. And that night, Matt, I didn't sleep right at all, man. That whole night, this shit just wasn't right. So I get out my car and walk into my office and two big white boys jump out of this Camaro, like the, from Transformers, Bumblebee, the yellow Camaro. They jump out of the Camaro and shit, they got the badges.

My man had the search warrant rolled up. He says, you Sean Gumby? I said, yeah. He said, well, this is a search warrant. We're from the Internal Revenue Service. We're coming upstairs with you. I said, all right. Let's go.

So I'm walking upstairs. They right behind me. I open up my door. Then I open up my door to my office. And I go in, I set my keys and shit down. And then when I turn around, man, it's like 20 agents just come right in my office, man,

with the goddamn windbreakers with the Navy blue windbreakers with all the letters and the alphabet on the bag like they had a windbreaker convention at my office, man. Everybody had a windbreaker but me. Is this all IRS or was FBI? FBI was there.

IRS Criminal Investigation Division, IRS, ATF, they all was there. And that was another pivot moment in my life, man. Change my life, changed my life, changed the trajectory of my life. First, in a very negative sense. But if it wasn't for that incident, I wouldn't be who I am and where I am today. So sometimes you've got to crash and burn in order to get right, man. Well, why did they come in?

You just, you said with five minutes earlier, you said, I had all these businesses, everything was 100%. Well, I was getting people back bigger refunds than what I was supposed to. Okay. So how did that happen? How did that first, how did that first start? It was the first time you did that. And you know what I'm saying? Like, how was that happened? Well, what I would do, clients that had, what year was this? That they came to my office? No, no. The first time that you. you started doing the, the, the, the, I can't really remember a date, but I'm going to, I'm going to tell you, like, how it started. Like, initially when I, was it a few years? Yeah, it was after, because I started in 2000, I would say probably by like 0.5, 06, I was helping people. Now,

you got to understand, the larger part of my practice was, um, just straight 1040s. Earned income credit, single mothers, two kids, put the kid on there, blow up the return, 8, 9,000, you know, and I would take my fee off the top, giving them the refund anticipation loan. I had a relationship with a bank out in California, Santa Barbara Bank and Trust, who would do the refund anticipation loans for me. And that was the bulk of my practice. Now, I did have some clients that. It was very standard. It was bop, bop, bop. It was just you put it that they give it to you, they put it in the information.

This is what it is. Right. It's normal. That's perfectly legal. Right. But then I had some clients that made $150,000 a year, you know, at that time, which was a lot of money who didn't have a standard return, they would itemize on a schedule A, right? Where you can write off your charity, your medical, your, your work clothes, your car, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, mileage on your vehicle.

If you deal with that, all of that, right? So now on those returns, and then if you have. rental property, I would do a schedule E for you, or if you had a side business, you would do a schedule C. So the more funky of the return, you know, now I know places where I can sharpen the pencil to lower your taxable income there before lowering your tax that you have to pay. And that's when I started doing that. And that was probably, as my business grew, more and more those clients came and I just, you know, I used to just do that shit like, well, it was nothing, you know what I'm saying? I wouldn't even think I would, you know, because I got caught

up in being the reputation of, you know, Sean going to get you, Sean going to straighten you out, man, Sean going to get you right, you know, show I'm going to get you back a lot of money. And I let that shit go to my head instead of saying like, yo, Sean, you need to do this shit the right way you understand but i was you know i was getting so much money the money got me drunk man it got me the amount of money i was making intoxicated me man made me reckless and careless man did i did they answer your question yeah i mean yeah i'm wondering like so you're you're fudging the numbers a little bit um no i ain't fudging them i'm lying right i'm straight up lying well i mean our uh we talked about it i was like um you so

so you're doing that how long so that and then what happens like the first year that happens you do it and nothing happens and you don't hear anything so you feel good about it like you're you become embolded like to me every time I got away with something I became emboldened ain't no question oh I'm just so good they didn't even oh I'm good now I keep pushing that envelope and pushing it ain't no question I never thought first of all Matt that I could go to prison for doing what I was doing, right? Which was helping people get bigger refunds than what I was supposed to pretty much preparing fraudulent tax returns. I never thought that. Well, they're signing the tax return. They're saying that they've looked at the numbers

and they're right. Like, aren't they taking that liability? It's supposed to be. It's supposed to be. But what that lady tell me, what that lady, who told me that? She says, Sean, but, you know, you're right. It is there. responsibility, but you're held to a higher standard because you have the accounting degree and the master's degree so you know better. That's what it was. Yeah, I know. I remember a guy that he got in trouble one time. He was just a general contractor. This is the same thing where he put the pitch of a roof on different. Like the customer was like, no, no, I want that roof to pitch this way. He's like, yeah, yeah, but you're supposed to do this. They didn't know, but I want it to

this. And he was like, and the guy's like, well, I mean, I'm paying for it. He's like, okay. So he pitches the roof and what happens is there was a rainstorm and something got clogged and the roof fills up with water and it collapses and the guy sues him and the insurance company sues him and he goes in front of the judge he says look the guy signed a change order he's the one who said this he signed off on him he's like and the judge was like yeah but you're the contractor you have a license you have the knowledge this is what you do yeah you knew better right you know He can say, I didn't know, but you knew. So, yeah, that's what I was saying.

Like, same thing with, like, being a real estate agent. You'll get in trouble, even though when the customer tells you to do something, yeah, but you have the license. You know what I'm saying? So I can see. But how did they get on to you? Do you know how they got on to you? Like, what was the issue that brought it to their attention?

I don't know, man. I don't know if it was, um, You know, jealousy. I don't know if it was my brother. Some other things was doing returns in dead people's names and shit, inmates' names. They got jammed up. And, you know, I don't know. It could have just been, they just, you know, the computer saw the number of returns I was doing and picked them.

I really don't know. I really don't know. But, you know, when you're successful, a lot of them are. fuckers hate you and they'll do shit to you you know what i'm saying to uh to to to trip you up so i got a question um so how does the transaction work let's say like i come in and i was like hey random guy if i like that's like what makes you decide okay i'm going to get this guy a larger return are they specifically telling you or how do you choose who you're going to give a larger return to or is it just everybody all right so the thing is this right so

So I had, to answer your question, Colt, so I got this reputation of being the bad motherfucker that could get you a nice refund. So when they walking in the door, you know, the expectation is there and I'm going to fulfill your expectation. So when I run their numbers straight up and down like 6 o'clock, I tell them, say, look, this is what you owe, this is what you're going to get. You know, they'll say, well, can you put a little on? top can you do better can you can you get me more i'm saying your refunds 2100 this could you could

you make it 3 300 could you make because i got to pay some bills all right i mean you don't say yeah i can but for not at this fee right obviously obviously i mean i'll say all i'm i hook you up right and i hook them up and then i put a little more on top of my fee right now if they're kind if the situation is they come in and i run the numbers and they say like yo you owe 11 000 you'd be like sean damn man I ain't got 11. All right, let me fuck with it for a minute. So then I bring that 11,000 down to 2,200. They're like, yeah, I could do that.

I could do that. But then obviously my fee is going to be a little high because I'm taking a risk with you by doing this. So that is how that went. Now, I had some girls who were from Mexico or El Salvador, Guatemala from Central America who had got into the country illegally didn't have a social

weren't citizens but they had babies here after they got here and the babies had social security numbers and birth certificates and they would come to me every year and say Sean can you you know I'm going to give you my kids information can you give

me 600 for each kid she had three kids so I give her 1800 and then I would take these three social security numbers and put them on some clients that I knew that if I put those kids on there the earned income credit

would blow up to the maximum size what's the maximum size it depends on it depended on um like if you made about 14,000 or 15,000 and you put two kids this was back in 2010 2009

I don't know what the number is now you know they would the returns will come back like 9,000 $8,000, right? So I'm happy because I'm paying her six, she's happy. I'm charging the people nine.

So I'm making $300 on every kid and then the client is happy because they're getting this big-ass refund. And that's another thing that I used to do. And I used to keep the kids on the same tax return every year. I wouldn't move them around. Yeah, I was going to say you would think that would. No, you got to keep them on the same.

same one um i should have a question because you in on the uh the ian bick when you mentioned you talk about this the the chick coming saying hey i got you're talking about yeah the girl that went to the other uh yeah she says like i already black college that's the black girl is the the the FBI agent yeah yeah that's what yeah yeah the black girl that was the FBI agent yeah that's what i'm saying what i don't know what i'm saying what i don't know like you're saying like right now you're saying i was doing this i don't know how they got here they showed up with a warrant that was it well we didn't get into that you didn't ask me that well let's get into it now though so like that's what i'm curious about so before obviously before

they come with the warrant they sent one of their people in okay right which was the black girl um she came March 11 my birthday 2011 2011 to get her taxes done. And she came in with a generic return that should have been the joint to where I plugged the numbers in and there's nothing left to do. She doesn't itemize, you know what I'm saying?

I should have just put her shit in and did it right. But she came in and she was like, oh, yeah, you know, what's going on? You went to Morris Brown. I said, yeah, yeah. She said, I went to Johnson C. Smith. You know, and I had all my pictures

when I traveled all over to Africa. And she befriended, she attempted to befriend me, befriend me, and bring my guards down. And I went through her return. I asked her, did you go to school? Did you, all the questions I would ask to see if I can do something in your return to get you more money. And she was like, nope, nope, nope, she didn't have none of that. But I ended up getting her back a bigger refund anyway. I did something I can't remember.

but I got her back more than what she was supposed to. And the day that they came to search one, two special agents sat me down and they showed me that W-2, they said, you remember this? Right. And I said, I looked at it. I said, oh, shit. I said, yeah, I remember it. They said, you got her back more than four.

You got her back 14 hours more than what she was supposed to. I said, yeah. They said, you do this all the time? I said, not all the time. but I do it they said about how many clients do you do that with I don't know but I do it

and that's how that went that's how that went they came they interviewed me they sat me right in my waiting room man the one motherfucking agent

and this is when everybody else is going through the other people have shown up no this is early in the morning ain't nobody there yet this is before the search warrant when the black girl come yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so she comes and then how long before these guys show up 40 days later 40 days later no 33 days later march 11 3rd 33 days later so when when they came with the search one nobody was in my office it was early in the morning okay so these guys show up

they knock on the door you're there no they ain't not gonna do i told you they met me down in the parking lot okay well so you go upstairs or wherever you when you sit down with them in the lobby like what do you think no they come in my office i told you remember i said i opened the door and opened my other door and they they came in my office like 20 of them i thought that was a search warrant right no i'm talking about you the first two agents i thought you said it's the same event like the two agents showed up and then i thought they showed up first i thought they showed you the thing and then later the people with the warrant no i took remember i told i said i opened up the one door and my other door and i went in and then like 20 agents that the wind

break a convention. Right. Okay. So these guys are, but then these guys take you aside. They put me in,

they said, come and sit in my waiting room because I had my office, the waiting room, and then my secretary had an office

and me and them sat in the, in my reception area. I mean, what are you thinking this whole time? I'm like, oh shit.

And then the one agent he comes, man, just puts his chair. Matt, he damn this sit on my lap. He,

I'm sitting. here, he put his chair right next. Like these things here, they was touching. And he's questioning me. And the other one is sitting over there with the bulletproof vest of thing, the gun and shit, and they start questioning me. And they show me the W too.

Yeah. And I'm thinking, to answer your question, what I'm thinking, I'm like, and I'm looking at these motherfuckers going to my house. I was like, is this shit really happening? This is what I'm saying to myself. Is this really happening? And that shit was really happening, man.

Well, I mean, once they, do they take all your computers and everything? So I'm in there and they questioned me. I said, y'all got to go take a piss, man. Because now I'm scared, right? I guess I got pissed. So I get up to go piss. They come with me, both of them, in the bathroom. I'm next to the urinal.

They standing right there watching me piss. So I'm like, oh, shit. So I finish piss. We go back. They ask him, I said, Mr. Gumby, I thought you was going to have a little. on a bow tie today. I thought you was going to have on a bowtie because I had a wrong time. I was like

bowtie. Boatide? Fuck, you know, I wear bowtie. Oh man, we've been following you, man, for like the last six months, you know? And this is, you know anybody else that's doing this? I said, nah, I don't. I said, if you've been following me, you know that I come here, I work all day, I leave, I may go get me a piece of pussy and go home.

If you've been following me, you know that. Okay. I said, man, I got to. go take another piss, man. So I get up, I go back to the bathroom. They come again, both of them, watching me piss. We go sit down. They stayed in my office like two hours. And while they sit in there questioning me, some other dude comes just, what's your

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And the one white girl was the chief. She's telling everybody else what to do. You go over here, bring that here. Yeah, you come here. Yep, right here. I was like, oh. Then they left. They took all of my clients, like, because when I would finish somebody's return,

I had a desk that I would put their returns and shit on. So when they would come pick them up, their refund, anticipation loan check would be in there. Their W-2s, yo, they housed all of that shit and took it. So they says, all right, we're from leave. I said, can I still keep doing taxes? They was like, yeah, as long as you do them right. And yo Matt, when they left And I looked over at my desk

Where all the returns was And I saw they was gone And I went and looked in my other office I said oh shit I got to call these people My clients and tell them Bair's was just here That was one of the hardest phone calls

I had to make up to that point man Because they took all of their shit And that's when I knew It was real I called everybody My secretary had came in While they was there My My secretary had came in

They jammed her up Took her somewhere and questioned her Yep Did anybody else? Was it just you? Or were other people Did you have other people working for you? It was just me I was a lone ranger

What'd she say? Who, my secretary? I didn't see her. You never saw her again? Never see her again until, I mean, I called the lady that day or maybe the next day and asked her like, yo, what, was it? They were just asking me questions and stuff. Yeah, hell if I a day, man.

Then I sat in their office and shit. And I said, I got to get a lawyer, man. And I started calling around and shit for white-collar lawyers. they was talking like 50 grand. This is in 2009. I mean, this is in 011. I had a fan. 50 grand.

And then that's when I knew I was in trouble. I paid 75 to plead guilty. Knew I was going to play guilty the whole time. Told them up front of them to plead guilty. 75 grand. I ended up hiring two attorneys. They would charge me $700 an hour. And every time I met with them, it was both of them.

And I think I ended up paying $61,000. thousand four hundred and fifty nine dollars and forty seven cent two attorneys down in north but they that ended up getting that money back because they they uh did some uh some malfeasance some some some some some uh they did some shady shit one of them did first all they didn't both have to show up you know what we know that you're double we knew that and i gave him $35,000 retainer he told me 20 on the phone when I got there and they saw how I was dressed. They said, oh, it's 35.

Whenever you go see an attorney, wear sweatpants with holes in them and shirts with stains on them so they don't think he got no money. Because if you go in there like I did with a tailor-made suit, custom-made the fit, they're going to add money on to that retainer and their hourly rate. What? So, so.

So you get the lawyers, you sit down, you have a conversation with them. I know this drags out forever. So you have the conversation with the lawyers. What are they telling you? I don't know if I'm going to be able to keep you out of jail. I can't tell you, I can't tell you you're not going to go to jail. They all say the same thing. I can't tell you you're not going to go to jail.

Okay. And. That must be a class in law school. Always made your time. But I'm going to help you. Yeah. It's one of two things. It's one of two things.

They're either doing that. I think you're going to end up in prison, or they're telling you, I can keep you out of prison. But my man was good, though. My man, my man was good. He was good. He got referred to me. I had went to see this other attorney who was a former. Prosecutor.

A. USA. Who had went into private practice. And his father was a judge before him in the same district, which is in Newark, New Jersey. So I went down to see him. First, I went to see these two dudes, and they told me 35,000 retainers, $700 an hour, $1,400 every time you meet with us. So I'm like, oh, shit. And he said, told me, he looked me dead in my face, Delo.

He says, maybe you can't afford us. There's other guys out there that are cheaper, but this is what we charge. So I said, I'm going to come back. Let me go search around. So I went and saw this other lawyer. He was like $25,000. But he says, Sean, you know what, Sean? In federal cases, there's really not a whole lot of lawyering that goes on, right?

Whatever your base offense level, your base offense loss level is, and whatever the sentencing guideline reign says, that's what it's pretty much going to be. Right. And I left and I went to the bathroom to take a piss and I said, I should have asked them about the two dudes that I left to come see him. And I was coming out the bathroom, he was walking down. I said, hey, man, let me ask you something. I said, what you think about these two dudes, man?

This one dude in particular, and he told me, he said, Sean, he says, if you can afford him, go with him, he's got connections in Washington, D.C. He is your man for your kind of case, if you can't afford him. And when he told me that Because he could have just been like Fucked him Give me the $25 grand I represent you

But he kept it real with me And I went back And I hired them And I went with them I gave me 35 grand And we started rocking man We started rocking And then we went

I never will forget I never will forget this day Because I had to go back I kept telling my lawyer Like I got to go get all my people's shit back, man. They W-Tuesday checks. So he arranged for me to go to the search and seizure section where the IRS they had all my stuff. And we went down there. I got it. And then while we were there, me and him sat down and the feds showed us the video of the black girl that came in with

the camera on her coat and showed the whole video of me and her exchange. of me preparing her taxes and when I seen that I said I just got to fall on my sword you know what I'm saying they got it and um you know from that point uh I knew I wasn't going to trial and none of that shit but he was just telling me she like Sean let's just slow it down you know any case that goes to court fast can't be good let's let some months maybe some years go by and they'll forget about you and then when we do go it'll just be something like oh this is on the docket this is two years old

all right whatever what do you want to do you what are you going to do all right do it and that's what I did um but in the process of that I'm out in Vegas and I get a voicemail from the attorney and I answer the

I go on my voicemail I listen to the voicemail it's like two minute long voicemail and he leaves a message. Yo, Sean, when you get back, man, we're going to go meet with the government. We're going to, you know, get this thing going. So soon as you get this message, call me and talk to you soon. The guy puts the phone down, but don't hang up the phone.

So the shit is still recording. And I hear him say to somebody in the background, Oh yeah, this is Robin Hood He's giving his client's fake deductions You know, this is Robin Hood Taking from the rich given to the poor So I hear this shit on my voice man I'm like

He ain't supposed to do that Right attorney client privilege is One of the main ones is confidentiality What I discuss with you as my client Maybe he's talking to the other lawyer No? I don't know Okay right

So I started to call him right back And I was like, yo man But I said Sean chill He said to meet him there Tuesday Meet him there Tuesday when you get back And I went and I picked up my son Little Sean from the daycare And we rolled down the nook

And I got a speaker like a Bluetooth speaker I plugged the thing in And I'm waiting in the conference room for him to come in and I got the goddamn thing ready to hit the play button with the speaker joint so why are you mad about this because you think it's you think it's he's not talking to another lawyer

or he's think it's a third that he's divulging your personal information or your personal. Ain't no question. Okay. Well, to me it is a question because it could be the other lawyer. You said there's two of them. Check me out.

So. Or did he say it fucked up? But but but but but why would he Why would he have another? Is it like mocking? Like he's a jerk? I can't remember. I can't remember it.

I don't want to start lying on here. So I get back. They come in. The private investigation, private investigator is there. I'm paying this motherfucker. You understand? Then this other white girl is over here. I don't know what she did.

And then the two lawyers come in. And my son is there. And my son is two. He can't sit still for nothing in the world making all kind of noise. But for some reason on this day, he's sitting in there, we're in this room. He's as quiet as a church mouse on Sunday. He's just as cool as a fan. So they come in, they sit down, everybody sits down.

He says, what's up, Sean? I said, man, I got a, this is what he said. I said, man, I got a problem. Let me let you let you hear something, man. So I play The voicemail The private investigator Put his head down

The white girl back there She started doing it She started writing And my man who said it Face turned as red as this wall And I pulled out all of my checks That I had gave them Which was $61,459.47 cents

I said now where on this check where on any of these checks do you see Robin Hood on here see this is all this this is my name and he just he just started stuttering

and I said look you you breached attorney client privilege confidentiality I don't know who you was talking to and I said I want my money back he said oh he said oh we're not going to be able to do that

And the other lawyer, the other $700, $700 an hour lawyer said, ho, ho, he looked at him like, are you crazy? Yeah, you don't want to fight this. Right. And then he said, this is Sean, hold up for a second. You know what I'm saying? Let us get some understanding of this. And I packed up my shit and I dipped.

Right? and I waited about a day or two I called him he didn't pick up the phone he never I kept calling him he never picked up the phone no more I'm calling the general counsel

of the firm they never picked up the phone right and all I wanted him do he could have kept him though if he would have just got on the phone and said yo Sean man I fucked up man

my bad I was wrong you understand meet me me down here man let's go get a hot dog let's go get a let me buy your

hamburger and fry let me get you a slice of pizza man let's talk it over like man he didn't do that and this was supposed to be this was a super lawyer

the way he was known nationwide and they tried to give me they tried to keep 20,000 they wanted to give me

back 42,000 and keep 20 I said now I want all my motherfucking money back they gave it all back to me that I got a public pretender and went on and went on and pled guilty

and went on and pled guilty I was devastated man devastated to plead guilty or no no I was devastated with the lawyer situation the whole thing man I went into a depression for like three and a half years behind this shit man I had a $1.2 million net worth I lost all my houses, my principal residence, all my money, my stock account, everything, man. People betrayed me, man, cooperated against me, people that I thought loved me, man. I was the only thing, the only thing that kept my candle lit in my soul was my son. Well, so are you saying that you lost it because you lived off of that equity in it? I started making desperate bets in the options market with my money.

So the government didn't take it. No, no, no. You were living off it. You were gambling or not gambling. Because I thought they were going to freeze my shit. I thought they were going to freeze my accounts. I had $275,000 in my checking account, $65,000 in my T.D. Ameritrade trade. I said, these motherfuckers are going to freeze my account.

So let me take this money and double it and triple it. So on July 18th, get excited This is big! For the summer's biggest adventure. I think I just smurf my pants. That's a little too excited. Sorry. Smurfs.

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And it was just a downward spiral from there, man. Self-fulfilling downward spiral, man. My thinking, I was fucked up, man. You know, my life got real dark, man. But I had my son. my son was the light kept a nigga going my son was the light

he used to tell me I'll be I'd be in my house Matt obviously when people find out that the feds come the phone goes dead right nobody's calling I had called AT&T

I see yo I see yo is my phone on my service on they was like yeah sure nobody called but prior to their him everybody called your show let me borrow this let me get that all the honey's take me out to eat this and so nobody I'm like the plague and my son would just out of the blue come up to me say

dad I love you and I look at him like why because I hate me right now for what I've done but him saying that to me would make a just go like one more day you know what I'm saying And that's how I did it, man. He's the only one that came to court with me. Me and him caught the train from Jersey City to Newark. He came to court. When nobody offered to come, nobody came, but me and him. And they took him out.

When they were sentencing me, they took them out in the motherfucking, in the hallway. So how did you, what were you charged with? what was the dollar amount they connected to you? 28 count indictment of aiding and abetting in the preparation of fraudulent tax returns. I pled guilty to one count. My base offense, my category was Category Zero, Level 15, Zone D, $84,000.

So it was mandatory incarceration. How many months? 18. 18 months for $84,000? I went to, I went to prison. They sent me to prison. They wanted me to cooperate, but I wouldn't do it. Sean, you can wear wires and shit.

You can wear cameras. You could do 5K ones. Man, I ain't doing that, man. Did you get the three levels? Did you get the two levels for acceptance of responsibility and the timely, you got all three levels? I still did 16 months? I did 15 months, 15 months, 15.

days and 19 hours. Sorry, 18, you got since I got 18 months on 84 racks. For 84 grand. Show did. That's a true story. Something's not, not

right there. Why, it ain't right? Not that what you're saying is not right, the fact that you had to go to prison for $84,000 in the feds. I mean, typically that would be home confinement of probation. Three years probation.

Yeah, not me. And I had no and my drug case my drug case from Atlanta it was so old I didn't have like no criminal history Oh okay yeah Yeah I was good okay so if it's over 15 years old

So if you told me that that when you were category one I'd be like okay yeah then maybe maybe Yeah 12 months 6 12 to 18 months But look they didn't count I was glad man I was glad to get that 18 months Because look It really was more than 84,000

Right Understand it really was more Right? And you know what's crazy? I never shared this story. I'm going to share it with you. I had a loaded 9mm burrata pistol brand new joint at home in my crib with a big bag of hollow tip bullets. Right? That I was already a convicted felon that I was already a convicted felon that I wasn't supposed to have. But I kept one in the crib anyway because I lived in Jersey City.

I lived in Chiletown. They did not go and search my house. They only searched my office and they dipped. And I said, after they left the office, I said, go search my house and find

that. joint. That's three years mandatory minimum. That was 60 months mandatory minimum for a gun convicted felon. No, no. Convicted felon's three. It's five if it's a drug transaction. Yeah, drug transaction. Well,

whatever it was it was more than 18 months. Right. Right. And there's no way to break the mandatory minimum. Right. And remember the day of the search warrant my son is not born yet right my son is born 40 days later

they don't arrest me at my office remember I told you they came they did that they was there for like two hours they took all the shit and then they dip and I said yo can I still keep doing taxes I said, am I on the rest? They said, no.

I said, can I still keep doing taxes? They said, yeah. They dipped. Now, if they find the jammy, they're taking me with the tax case and the pistol case, they taking me to the joint, and I got to fight my case from inside, which is vastly different from fighting it outside. Right. So when I had a chance to step back and look at it,

I was blessed. Because if they, I got to go see, I got to be in the delivery room to watch my son come out, right? I'm the first person that nurse took my son out, gave them to me first, right? I named them after me. I went to the baby shower. I bought all the cribs, the diapers, the onesies, the bottles, all of that car seat right because i'm out man but if i'm if they find that jammy right

i ain't doing none of this i don't get to name them and then maybe i don't get to see him for what then they probably lay it on with the tax case instead of an 84,000 now it's 300,000 or a half a million so we're going to hit you for a nickel on the tax case and another nickel on the gun or 36 months on the gun, I may not get the seashore until he, like, eight with no connection to him. So when I had a chance to look at everything, man, I was blessed, man.

I was blessed. It didn't feel like that when it was happening, but after I got the prison and you look at things, you'd be like, okay, it could have been way worse. Yeah. Well, plus sometimes you start to hear other people's sentences too, and you start going, Jesus. this guy got eight years this guy got 14 this guy got 20 this guy's been here for he worked his way down to a camp he's been locked up you know 15 years and he got another six years to go and you're like oh my god right right like how did you have you got through that you know because even when it doesn't matter everybody's always you know no matter how much time you get it it always feels like a mass of amount of time it always feels like oh my god how am i going to do this the time you know the time you know the time

I wasn't bad when I got the prison, that was a relief. It was from the search warrant to the sentencing, man. Oh, is it wondering? That was the torture. Not knowing. The not knowing, are they going to give me home confinement? Am I going to go to prison? They're going to give me probation.

You know, that was the torture. You understand what I'm saying? I had knew I was done with crime before I even went to prison. You know what I'm saying? And then, yeah, obviously when you get in there, you're doing the same shit over and over every day. And the monotony, you're like, yo, this shit is so corny. You know what I'm saying? I ain't never coming back here, man.

This shit is whack. Once I got used to it, I like the, you know what I'm saying? I like that everything was. The structure? Yeah, the structure of everything. Like I was, I got into where it's just, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Where it felt like the time started just, but it took years to get there. years before I finally

I always say it you know first six months or so it's it's it's kind of you lower your expectation of life and once you get to that point and you start just enjoying

normal things that you can do it's not so bad at that point but it takes a while to get there once I got in once I got in there and like you say man you start hearing the stories man

you lost 19 million you lost 80 million you got two cases, 80 million and 110 million, and they gave you 10 years, you got 200 million rest of you lost 250 million, and you start hearing the time, 13 years, 20, you'd be like, oh, snap, man, let me go lay on my bunk and keep my mouth shut, man, and be happy with what I got because my shit could have been a lot worse. Did you get halfway house? I declined that because of the stories.

I didn't go on you need to jam me up in no halfway. house. I did all my time at Morgantown. When I left Morgantown, I flew from Pittsburgh. I caught the bus. They dropped me off at the bus station in Morgantown. I caught the bus to Pittsburgh and caught a flight from Pittsburgh to New York, New Jersey. If I didn't need the money, I would have skipped the halfway house. Because it's such a nightmare. And you hear so, but I had no money. I got I have no money when I get out. So I have to, I know I need to work six or seven months to try and get enough money because otherwise you're let you can't just let me out on the fucking corner with no money i got nowhere to go you know but i remember thinking if i had 10 grand waiting

for me i'd be like no no i'll do all my time here i don't want to take halfway house right i get out of morgantown january 22nd 2016 okay i go to r and d my man chip sent me a pair draws, t-shirt, Nike socks, brand new Nike sneakers, brand new Nike sweatsuit, a Nike long-sleeve joint so that I didn't walk out of there with the green. Yeah, yeah. The gray sweatpants.

Right. The prison issue release clothing. Yeah, they're not letting you leave with that outfit. They're going to push in some almost like just, Have you ever seen the blue jeans they give you? No. It's something that you, it's like a hobo pants. They're literally hobo pants.

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So I got to take 500 of the 1900. get it fixed so now i'm down to 1400 and uh i go pick up uh little sean i go pick up my son and um that's where my journey that's where my journey started man when i got out that's where my journey started so is the um your son's mom are y'all cool no no no my son's mother was my secretary Oh, okay Yeah Right So

No, we're not We're not cool, no What do you do from there? I mean, what do you have a plan To start working To go work for somebody To do something Because you're on probate

You got out on supervised release, right? I got on supervised release I had one year Oh, that's not horrible So I go to Newark, I meet with my probation officer I check in and then I call

this dude I used to trade with in the World Financial Center on Wall Street had told me that when I got out he was going to give me $25,000 to start up my account so that I could start trading and get back on my feet. I couldn't find him.

Couldn't find him. I think he was under investigation for some insider trading and some shit he did. He skipped. the country some shit he did so then I called another guy who knew me from my days working in corporate America doing the mergers and acquisitions he had started his own private equity firm and I called him I said look man uh let me come and work you even got to pay me man just I'll come

and empty the trash cans I'll go get y'all coffee I'll go get you guys lunch whatever just let me do something. And I sent him all in my paperwork, and he sent it all back, and he never called, that got declined. So I went and I applied for a job at Wendy's to drop French fries, put my whole criminal history down. That didn't work out. I'm working out at Gold's Gym. I apply for $9 an hour. I never will forget it to re-rack the weights.

criminal history blocked that they wouldn't hire me so I start playing poker for a living right so I'm going up to the casino I've dropped my son off at daycare boom straight to the casino and just the number of hours and the ups the losing the winning

the losing the winning and so that got old and I said I can't do this And I was on YouTube one day, and I saw Keith Calphus, who's a window cleaner. He's got a big YouTube channel on YouTube, Keith Calphus, white kid from Detroit, Michigan. He's cleaning windows in the dead of winter in Detroit. And I'm like, damn, it's a lot of windows in New Jersey. Boom, start me a window cleaning business. So I go to Home Depot.

I spend $92.80. Get me a bucket, a squeegee, my mop, my pole. Never clean windows in my life. I'm an accountant. I got a, you know what I'm saying? So I go out. This is in July of 2016. It's like 90-some degrees.

And I'm walking up and down the street with water my bucket. I don't even know how to clean the window. And in the same town that I'm from where people knew me as the big real estate tax guy, a millionaire guy, now I'm walking up and down the street with a window cleaner bucket. Humbling. Motherfuckers riding by, you know, playing, laughing.

And I go out and I just start knocking on businesses saying, yo, I got a window cleaning business. My name of my business was window bright. Window bright. He just came up with it, walking down the road, came up with it. Yo, I had these business cars made up. They were like pink. They had like water and shit on it.

I mean, light blue. They had water on them. Window bright window cleaning, man. That's crazy. 551-227-1127 with my phone number. And my first window, I went out the first day, Matt, and got told no the whole day made no money

went out the next day I think that was the day I went to Rockies jewelry in Passake New Jersey and I said yo your windows are dirty that let me clean your windows

he said how much I said five dollars he said I give you three I said bet I said bet run it and man I cleaned the windows for that $3 man like it was got like it was a mansion and he paid me my three but that $3 window

gave me the knowledge to know that somebody will pay somebody's going to give me I can make money doing this and then I built up my route within 60 days I had over 60 clients in five different cities in North Jersey like on Mondays I will go to for more than $3 though. Yeah, yeah, I had some $10 windows, $15 windows, $5 windows. I would go to a different town each day, and I built up a route. And from that window cleaning route and I was, I was able to take care of me and my son, we didn't get no welfare,

no food stamps, no Section 8, no nothing. How much are you making a week after? In the beginning, I'm doing like $27 a day. $41 in a day. I'm going out all day. This is a horrible story, by the way, so far. I mean, this part of it. And I couldn't get an apartment because I got the felony conviction. And then I didn't have a W-2 for the whole year I was in Morgantown.

So this female friend that I was dealing with, she got me an apartment for me and Sean in her name. And I, you know, I was going to pay the rent. And she took me and Sean out. She bought us mattresses. She bought us bed sheets, pillows, forks, knives, underwear, socks. It's a good friend. Paid the rent. And that's how I got my crib.

And I would go out. I would make $40. I make $27. And then eventually it just grew. It just grew. And then I think... My first big account was like five Domino's pizzas. First, it was like two of them.

I went to one Domino's Pizza and the Ducey. Yeah, you could do them. And I got another store over here. He was in Newark and I got another store in Carney. And I went and I started doing them and then my shit just grew. And then I got a Burger King. And then I got, you know, some Taco Bells, like eight Taco Bells. And then, you know, it was plenty.

Do you still run that today? I still got my Taco Bells. Absolutely. No, I mean, just in general. The other, the smaller accounts, the $5, $10 accounts, I don't do. I just do fast food, large chain, commercial, fast food restaurants. Okay. How long? And how long? I mean, is that the only thing you're doing? So at this point, I'm...

This is still 2016, right? Right. So I'm journaling. When I get out of prison, I'm journaling, right? to like deal with the psychological issues of like once being a millionaire, and now I'm window cleaning. So I'm journaling every day. So I journal and I end up with a notebook about that thick. So I take it and publish it in three books. I'm self-published author.

Name of my book is called a stigmatism in my soul. You can get them on my website. The podcast was sold. Dot big cartel.com. So I publish these books. The books are called. a stigmatism in my soul, Volume 1, Volume 2, and

Volume 3. Then you said podcast. My website where you can buy these books is the podcast with sold.bidcartel.com. Okay. So I said, Sean, to promote the book, man, why don't you do a YouTube video, man?

That shit gonna get like a million views. You get 1% penetration, 10,000 books sold, $10 a piece, 100,000, nigga, you back. So I do the video and it gets 14 views. Right?

If you were about to tell me and so that worked, I was going to be like, I don't know what happened there. So I'm like, ah, man, this shit ain't working. But now I start this YouTube channel and I got the bug.

Now I'm on there telling my story on the YouTube channel. And it's growing, it's growing, it's growing. then I start filming myself cleaning windows and I named myself the window cleaner with soul and they love it now the YouTube channel is growing

and then I started doing federal prison calesthetics you know how we work out I'm posting that on YouTube they loving it burpees burpees pushups pushups pullups dips all of that they loving it then this is where it really takes off. I start going around to all the parks in New York City, Brooklyn,

Bronx, New York, Jersey City, Patterson. And I'm filming random dudes doing calisthenics in the park. And the fucking YouTube channel goes, boom. And now I'm making enough money on the YouTube to where I don't got to clean windows. So I sell my window cleaning business. And that's where we went. That's how it went. So, and, okay, so, but now, where are you, now? You're just doing the, just the YouTube? Right.

So, so the first YouTube channel that I did, I ran that up to about 98,000 subscribers. Then I started talking about politics and the coronavirus, and they shadow banned my page, took my subscribers down from 98,000 to 78. My money was coming in like 5,000 a month. Took me down to like 500 a month. So I scrapped that channel.

I took it down. Then I started my new channel, which is the channel I have now, which is the podcast with Soul. And I re-uploaded all of my old videos and I started doing my new stuff now, which is a lot of it is, I got a series on there called the Federal Prison,

comeback series. I still do my federal prison workouts. I do interviews. Do you stay away from Corona? Yeah, I don't talk about no politics, no religion, no nothing. I just put my content out and that's it. And I got a line of hoodies, a line of shirts, my books, sweatpants, hats. Is this that? This is one of the shirts right here. This is on my website. You could get that. This is my signature. And, uh, I've probably done over 100, probably 130 to 140 million YouTube views worldwide, sold my merch all over the world, you know, and I got a core following, people that really rock with my channel, and, you know, that they like what I do, man.

And, you know, the whole redemption story, people like a good comeback story. And your son, do you, is your son stay with just you, or you share custody? So, when I get out of prison, me and his mother, we go straight at it with the battle for the custody joint because she stole custody from him 27 days before I went to prison. She took me to court and filed papers to get custody of him, right? I couldn't fight it because I'm getting ready to get up out of here. But as soon as I touch down, I'm all, you know, I got to get my son, man. And for about eight years, I filed for, I had visitation.

Legally, I had 50-50 joint custody, right? I had 15 overnights at my house. She had 15 overnights at her house, right? But she was, you know, it was a lot of bullshit in the game. She was putting a lot of shit in the game, right? And I was fighting, you know, I was determined that there was no way that I was not going to be a part of the mental development. of my son and I was no nothing was going to keep me out of his life and uh we was in court man for like eight years and I just won custody of him in June and he lives with me now he's 14

years old actually he chose me because we was in court and um the judge said listen I don't want to talk to you and I don't want to talk to you talking about me and her she said bring Sean down here next week, 3.30. And they took Sean down there and she took Sean in the chambers by herself. And she asked him, said, who you want to stay with? He said, I want to stay with my dad. And that's been it. So I'm a single father, man. That's the best shit in the world. I ain't got a whole lot of money. I don't need a whole lot of money. I'm saying? I didn't have money. You know what I'm saying? I ain't, not that I'm not trying to get money. I'm always trying to get money, but money was my religion at one point, man.

Money was my religion, and I would, you know, do damn near anything ethical or unethical, you know, risky to get it, right? And what I realized, man, is that my self-esteem and my self-perception and my self-acceptance grew more in a federal prison khaki uniform. for him, then it did when I was wearing my $3,200 $3,200 Hickie Freeman suits or my $1,800 custom tailor-made suits with my name sewn in them, right? Right.

And that my self-esteem and my self-perception is dependent upon me, not what is on me. You know what I'm saying? So the best shit in the world of me is my son spending time with him, man. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Yeah, were you had, so you were, Are you happier now or before prison? Ain't no question I'm happier now. I was happy then, right? Don't get me wrong. Having money waking up and going on your online banking and see goddamn 700,000 and that motherfucker is a good feeling. Right.

You know what I'm saying? And I want to get that again. But I was a fraction of the man that I am today when I was rich than what I am now. right I had high triglycerides high blood pressure a borderline diabetic right

high cholesterol I was fat right I'm a short nigga I'm 5-7 I was a buck 95 195 pounds manipulator

deceiver liar right like I said about the money I'm doing anything to get money and just today man you know I'm 56

years old. I'm in the best shape of my life. I'm cut up and ripped up underneath here. I work out seven days a week. My self-perception is extremely high, right? My confidence is high. I know who the fuck I am. I got boundaries. Certain things I will do. And in certain things I won't do, no matter how much money's involved. And money don't make me, right? I don't need to see a fly Honey, over there, over there, I'm stepping to her, right? Don't matter. I don't need no car to pull up the rap for me. Sean G. going to rap for himself.

You understand? So I'm definitely 11 to 12 times better than what I was when I had money. When you got caught up, do you think it was the money that motivated you more or the feeling of kind of being the man that gets it gets it done for everybody that? motivated you to fudge the taxes and do that? Do you understand what the question? Absolutely. Absolutely. Good question, man.

You know, I grew up with a single mother, right? You know, my mother's foundational black American woman from the South, from Georgia, pick cotton as a little girl for 75 a day, moved in

Jersey from Georgia, became a registered nurse, gave me everything. I didn't have no rough life. I grew up in a middle class neighborhood. But we didn't have money. We ate off paper plates, you know what I'm saying? No frills, foods and shit like that, you know, lived in an apartment. I never lived in a house. We had one car. But I had enough. If he got a new bike, my, let me get a bike. I got a new bike. If he got new sneakers, let me get but I always wanted to be rich right and working at the golf course and seeing these rich dudes man that drove me the money you know because I equated the amount of money I had with success I was indoctrinated in America America indoctrinates us to believe that

the the size of your bank account or where you live or is indicative of your success. And that's a lie. Success is peace of mind, right? Success is self-acceptance. Success is belief in oneself, right? The ability to visualize something and then make it manifest and materialize in your life.

That's success. And the money, at that point, I wasn't as enlightened as I am now. It was just the cheese. Like, if I had a lot of money, nigger I'm better than you right and then so now I get this reputation that I'm the I'm it might have been the H&R blocks and the other tax preparers in the area that may have put the people on me because everybody was coming to me man you understand so I did get caught

up in yo Sean get you the big tax return Sean nice with that go see Sean G go see Sean G go see Sean. He'd do taxes. I had them coming from Brooklyn to Bronx, Queens, all over North Jersey, central Jersey, South Jersey. I had people from 17 different states, faxing me their stuff, emailing me their W-2s, and I'm preparing. You know what I'm saying? So I allow myself to get reckless and careless for the money, man. You know what I'm saying? And it. See, somebody who's looking at this, you didn't have money, so you understand what I'm saying. But to a motherfucker, they ain't never had no money, they ain't going to never be able to understand this. That once you've had money and lost it, you know, you automatically know you can get it back, right?

But then when you don't have it, you understand that there's a lot more to life than just having a lot of money, man. You understand what I'm saying? so that's my relationship with money and when all this was going on did you feel that there was a possibility that you would end up in prison or did you just kind of feel like oh like it's just something small that you know it's not going to turn out the way it did

or did you kind of have that conscious or what was your mental state so while I'm doing these taxes right I never thought that I could go to prison for it. But, Matt, while I'm doing the shit on the computer, this inner thermometer in me, man, his voice is telling me like, yo, Sean, you know this shit you're doing. It's wrong, man.

You know, you know this. What you doing ain't right. But I'm so caught up in the money. I'm like, fuck it. We're going to run this. Because I'm just. I'm doing, I start doing taxes in late December. When I'm getting to the end of March,

I got $300,000 in my checking account just from my tax business. So I'm running it. But I never thought I could go to prison. I thought maybe, I don't know what I thought. I don't know. I didn't think they was going to ever, I don't, I didn't, I had no clue. I had no clue, man, but the motherfuckers came. And I went to prison.

So you had said earlier that you had the gun at your house. So after they raided the office and they didn't raid your house, what did you do with that? So after they raid the house, right? So I'm thinking like, yo, I got that piece at the crib. It was like three in the morning. I was staying by Sean's mother. house. I jump up. I said, oh, shit, they're going to my house. I jump in the car. I ride to my crib. I get the joint, right? I jump in my truck and I'm breaking it down in the pieces. I'm riding

over to George Washington Bridge. I throw a piece over there. I go to Brooklyn. I throw a piece over the Brooklyn Bridge. I go all the way. I draw Queens off the Triborough Bridge. I just throw this everywhere all over New Jersey, Jersey City. Piece of the gun went everywhere. And I said, I got to get rid of this, man. Got rid of that motherfucker, quick. Yeah, I was going to say, they'll, they'll must have got rid of the bullets, too, because... Ain't no question.

Because I, did you ever meet anybody? I've met guys in prison for... I know a guy I got 15 years for having an AK-47 bullet in his... In the trunk of his vehicle. Because he had, he had like, three-char, whatever it was, the mandatory minimum for armed career criminal. And he had already been to jail twice for drugs. And then he got pulled over one day and they searched his car and they found a bullet.

That's it. 15 years. That's crazy. So I was going to say, so people- I got rid of mine, man. I had the whole bag. Man, that was a blessing, man. That was a blessing.

Because like I said, I got to be able to stay out and fight my case from the outside and be with my son. man that was the only person that really was had my corner that was in my corner had my back so is your channel doing pretty well so I'm looking at in some of the best performing videos you have have all been posted in the last month have you yeah yeah my channel my channel is doing good it's growing it's grew a lot in the last month because I started covering the um coffee big meech case I got uh I got a lot of the people work and I've been going through the Franks

hearings, the motion to suppress wiretaps and the interviews and did you see did you see Wade shout out to Wade Williams at crime and entertainment? Shout out the Wade man.

Did you see the one he did with my buddy Pete? I saw that one I saw that one. Shout out to Wade man for hooking me up with you. Yeah. Appreciate you. Yeah, I love Wade. Everybody loves Wade. Yeah, I saw that one. Wade's wife thinks I'm cool, by the way.

Because whenever we go on vacation, and I only do this, sorry, I only do this because of my mom. Whenever I go on vacation, I always send postcards to people. Like, nobody does that anymore. Apparently, they don't, I don't know. I thought everybody, I thought you, that's what you do, right? And so Wade, every time I've gone on vacation, I send him a postcard. and so his wife gets the postcard

did you hear this his wife first time I sent the postcard she's like what's that he's like oh Matt went on vacation she sent his postcard and she's like oh she said she is she is the thief and he goes con man and he's like yeah

and she said a postcard and she like reads it like and I wrote I wrote something like I write a little thing right right right right right and she looks it she brought it to school and showed her classes do you guys know what this is this is a postcard and she explains it to people

and the kids in the class are like why would he do that? She's like to say hey I'm thinking about you wish you were here here's where I'm at and they're like Took time out

Yeah yeah That's like posting on Instagram for them And they're like I don't understand you know But so I send him So now and now of course I definitely do it Every time we go anywhere We gotta go get postcards

I want to send something to Pete in case And Jess is like All right but uh so she thinks i'm super cool she said she said she said she's for something like i forget what she said this is probably not what she said she is for what a she said for um she's how can such a sleaze ball or something she has have such an old an old soul be such an and he's like what and you know wait just how old are you man i'm you're right we talk i 69 69 you're not 69 19 69 i was going to say 69 no we talk about this

two days ago, we had a whole conversation. I forgot. I forgot. I was, in July, I will be 56. Right, right, right. So you're six months old than me. Right. No, not even that. You're only a few months old old. Right, right, right. It's coming up ass, bro. Four months. Um, yeah, we talked about the whole thing. We talked about going to prison. We talked about how I was like, these guys how they have the different priorities and they think, oh, it's money's, money means everything. It's like, no, no, I know guys that probably could be multi-millionaires, but all they want to do is like they're married and they have two kids and they teach their kids little league team that's all they want to do and if you said yeah yeah i can get you a job and yeah i know but on saturdays

i do this and you're like no no but you'll make this much money they're like i know but i teach my kids little league and like that's it that's cool they're cool with that right that's it yo i got some crazy stories man i don't know if we got time or whatever we got time um listen i know multi-million you've heard this multi-millionaires miserable motherfuckers and then you know guys that can barely make their rent and just are the happiest go lucky motherfuckers you like i wish i was as happy as them so i'm in prison right so i'm in prison i'm at morgantown and my bunkey is telling me about you know because i'm crying about my money i lost oh damn man my money man he's shan man you got to speak to this dude

i don't forget his name he's white dude jewish dude and so he set it up so i met him down at Mainline and me and this dude is sitting down and he said Sean he's from Detroit he said Sean I was worth 30 million dollars man he said I had I had 30 million dollars I had my own insurance company me and my partner we had come up with this insurance product and we had kind of cornered the market I was flying to Vegas every weekend on a private jet having sex on the plane with girls spending $100,000 a weekend with girls and drugs on the plane and um Feds came, investigated us, my partner, off themselves.

And at the end, my wife, my daughter's mother ran off with my daughter. I don't know where either of them are. I haven't seen my daughter in three years. I got five years sentences to do. I don't know where they are. And they says at the end, Sean, I was sleeping on my sister's couch. And I'm sitting there and I'm thinking about my little punk ass 1.2 million. I lost this dude talking about 30 million, right?

So I say this here to him, Matt, check me out. I say, yo, but Mike, man, don't worry about that, man. When you get out, man, you're going to get that right back. Man, you know, we get that right back. He looked at me, man, straight face. He said, nah, Sean, I don't want that. I don't want to be responsible for a 26 people payroll. I don't want three cell phones.

I get 46 calls a day on each one. I don't want three fax machines where I'm getting 12 faxes a day on each one. I don't want to go and do meetings. I don't want to sell. You know, I don't want to travel and go to hotels and speak at conferences and meet other CEOs. He said, man, when I get out of here, I want a job that I clock in at 9 o'clock and I clock out at five o'clock, and I got a 401k, and I'm going to go home from work after five o'clock

and close my door. And I'm looking at this one. And he was dead serious, right? And what he conveyed and what I heard a lot from a lot of dudes, the ones that made big money, was that all they wanted was peace of mind, man. and like you say just to be happy and that was profound to me

because I found myself man even though I was in prison I was at peace man I was at peace with myself what I had done what had happened I had got over my losses who ratted on me who stabbed me in the back

who doubted me who talked shit about I had got peace with all of that. And my major focus was Little Sean, man. And like you say, all I wanted to do, you know, my son plays Little League Baseball, elite level Little League Baseball. We travel all over the country. He's a pitcher.

And there's nothing better to me than being in the car with him on the highway and going to his baseball games, watching them play. And I'm buying him a $400 bat that I can't afford. board right and i'm getting them 90 dollar turf cleats then 80 dollar dirt cleats that makes me late on the electric bill but this nigger gonna have these cleats we're gonna show up to the game you know we he needs a belt he needs a uniform and that shit would bring me just sitting in the back of the field eating sunflower seeds watching them pitch spitting out sunflower seeds you know driving eight hours, seven hours, three hours.

That, you couldn't give me no money, you know what I'm saying? And that's the shit that he's going to remember 18 years from now. Man, me and my father, my father used to do this. We used to do it. So, yeah, I can totally identify with what you're saying about the dudes that. I don't want all that money, man, my time. I wouldn't want a billion dollars, man.

I don't want $20 million, man. I don't need all of that money, man. All I need is about $2 million, $1.3, right? Right. And I'm going to shut my YouTube channel down, shut my Instagram down, and I'm going to disappear. Y'all going to see me on a milk cart.

And where does Sean G go? I'm going to be somewhere in Asia somewhere. I don't need all of that money, man. And you got to hire accountants to watch the other accountants and, nah, fuck all that. You know, them people with all that money, man, ain't happy. All these super wealthy billionaires, man,

what kind of life is that? You got six cell phones. Everybody asking for something. Ain't nobody keeping it real with you. They just want something from you. Oh, yeah, yeah. You can't trust anybody. When you have money, you can't trust anything that anybody says.

They're all yes, man. You know what I'm saying? People become... They tell you how great y'all. Yeah. That's a mistake. To surround yourself. by yes men that's a sure way to end up going down the other thing i was going to say is if i had

if you gave me 10 million dollars right now i'd still do this you know i still like doing this yeah yeah i wouldn't close my so i wouldn't i might keep cleaning windows you know what i'm saying like hey man i might if i come up if i come up on one or two million i may still go and get me you know a domino's pieces to clean on tuesday I might just create me a day where I, because the windows, Matt, let me tell you something, man. Let me tell you something. And I think I alluded to this. When I get out of prison, right, I lose all faith in humanity because of everybody where they turned on me.

And so I do that first window for $3. And that sparks my belief in myself, right? because being that my whole self-perception and self-esteem was based on the amount of money I had when I didn't have it, I was down in the dipsy dumpster. So I'm cleaning these windows and I'm getting paid to do it. These windows become my friend, man, because they're building me back up.

They're building me up. to something new right and this is where it started in prison my journey to self-discovery and me starting my second act but when i got out you know all of the work that i did because i just didn't sit in prison and watch ESPN man and and play casino and play checkers and you know i did some serious soul searching and some serious writing because i knew something was wrong with me for me to end up in prison at 45 years old and you know these windows and just the rebuilding of my life man just boosted my self-esteem and my self-confidence in ways I couldn't even imagine and and these are the things I speak to my son man that you know you have to have a

high perception of yourself because that's the way you're going to perceive the world and that's the way the world is going to perceive you, right? You have something inside of you where you can affect your destiny based upon your belief in your abilities or lack of belief in your abilities. If you don't believe you could do something,

man, you ain't fin to do it. You see a fly honey over there, you say, man, I can get her number. And then that voice said, man, you ain't going to be able to get her number. You're not going to go try. But if you look at her and say, man, I'm from to go.

I'm from to get this number. then everything in you even the sun moon and stars will conspire with you you'll get cosmic companionship to go over and get that number or start that podcast or start that construction business. Even if you don't get the

number, you might get the next one and the next one. It's just a numbers game. There you go. You're going to get one of the numbers. You're going to get one of the numbers. You can't be afraid to fail. My man. My man. The fact that you go over there and you fail, you still won. Yeah, I was going to say that's winning the battle.

there you go the no that don't mean nothing there you go my man yeah i always say like i i don't mind failure but i do mind not trying like i'll try and fail all day long failure is a part of the game a lot of people afraid to fail but you can't be man you can't be you know how many nose i got man when i was cleaning windows man the first day i went out the first week i could have quit and gave up nah not me man Yeah, we got to end this. We got to end this story. What?

Just, I just. You got water in your eyes. Oh, bro. I get choked up all the time. This is all about the worst part of these fucking things is the end. My man. Well, because the starting over was, you know, so fucking hard, bro. So hard.

And picturing you, and it's nothing about you, you know, it's picturing you. you know um it's picturing you walking down the street with a bucket going from here to with a buck going with a bucket and you know i think to myself i'm sleeping in someone's spare room bro i'm lying i remember this too i was in the halfway house lying to the halfway house getting my job to cover me so i could go see my mother who's dying you know what i'm saying like it was it was just so hard and so to hear somebody go through the same thing fuck bro you know it's it's fucked up you know it just always gets me and it gets me too to hear the way your mindset was because my mindset was the same way bro

listen one time and i've told this story a few times and listen and i felt great about this too by the way i mean like at the time i couldn't have been happier my ex-wife who knew me who still is lives in the house that I that we bought we lived in together you know what I'm saying that when I left like I took off on the run and shit anyway um had all the apartments had everything still lives in that house um she was go she would go visit because she's a good person she goes to visit my mom right she's in a in a um you know a retirement community right like a nursing home and she goes to visit her and one day something happened where she was there and she needed me to drop her off at her vehicle So I happened to be going and coming and she was there. And she's like, I got to, you know, hey, can you drop me off at my vehicle? I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And she gets in my car. By the way, just gotten out of the halfway house a few months. Gets into my little Jeep. I got a Jeep Liberty, little Jeep Liberty, right? This thing's 20-something years old. Like this is like the first one they ever made. Get in the vehicle and we're driving. This is my ex-wife who knew me when I had tons of money.

I'm driving. and as we're driving, she said, can you turn on the radio? And I'm like, and she tries to turn it on, and it doesn't come on. And she's like, I don't, what's push the button? I go, no, no, I said, boom, boom, because it had to shorten it. I had to hit the dash, and it comes on. And she looked at me like, she goes, oh, my God. And she goes, are you serious?

Like that? I said, yeah, I said, no, it's cool, though, right? Because I'm like, Fonzie, right? like you hit the city, you remember it, and I'm laughing about it, and she's just looking at me, and we're driving, and then, you know, it's Florida. And she goes, she says, can you turn on the AC? Because the AC was, the air was on, but it's not blowing, it's just blowing. Right.

And she was, can you turn on the AC? And I went, and I hit the button and roll her windows down. She's, you can't turn on the AC, and I go, that is the AC. I said, oh, I said, you mean like, oh, I said, the AC on the car. I said, oh, no, no, that's rich, that's for rich people. I said, this is how we're rolling. she looked at me and she goes you have fallen so far

and I was like yeah but it's great right like I'm driving a vehicle I'm free I'm good I got YouTube I can watch you it's free I could go in the refrigerator and watch the light come on if there's nothing there but an onion I don't have to ask cook

if we can watch Walking Dead on Sunday and put it on the schedule or get 190 the hot 180 to make my coffee I got a stove yeah that's the thing never been happier me either man listen i tell people and that's a dope dope story my truck blew up on me coming back from Harlem one day and i drove it all the way back to my house

and it died in my parking lot soon as i got in the park's about never no more i called my cousin i said yo i need to get a car from my i got to go out and clean windows tomorrow this junkyard, Matt, and it was a 1995 Camry with the cassette player. The cassette player didn't work, right? They wanted 900 for it. I said, I give you $800. He said, give it to me. I bought that 1995 Toyota Camry Station wagon.

I had an antenna for the hanger for the antenna. The cassette player didn't work. It only had AM and FM radio. And I used that car for about a year to make money and clean my windows and take me and little Sean back and forth to baseball. But it didn't even matter to me, right? And I still got pussy with the car, right? The girls still, I didn't have to cash yet for it.

I didn't have to come pick you up in an Audi. I didn't have to come pick them up. in a BMW, they got in that Toyota Camry with me. And mind you, now before I go to prison, I got the dope, Accura RL fully loaded, wood grain all over, drop top BMW M3, I'm flannel. But this little Toyota Camry, man, it did the job. And like you said, in that Jeep liberty you had, I was totally happy. and my self-esteem wasn't impacted not one iota and you know what the chicks that got in that

vehicle they like me for you they was in there for me when i pulled up in the drop-top m3 i didn't know what they wanted yeah but when they got in that camera i said yes she like me oh you can't believe anything the other chicks say the chicks that are getting into the into the outy with you you can't believe nothing they say right but i i could yeah definitely you know and i want to say this man you know that for me for Sean G don't feel sorry for me man don't feel bad man I got a great life and for me

and I think a lot of people sometimes you need to crash and burn in order to get right man if I don't get busted and go to federal prison and I just stay getting all this money and Sean is born

right I'm dealing Matt I'm dealing with six seven women at the same time I'm fucking them all raw no rubber right I'm I'm I'm in love with three of them three of them in love with me they ready to sign on the dotted line in blue ink I'm tricking with this one I'm paying this one's car insurance I'm paying this one's car note you know what I'm saying I'm paying this one to come and straighten me out if I still have my money and my son is born I don't spend the time I know how I was getting down I don't spend the time with him that I did when I was broke because I'm buying him everything.

He's going to have all the dopest sneakers, the dopest toys. But the minute when them honey's call and say, Sean, come and hit it, I'm going to be trying to drop him off by his mother to go, because that's where my mentality was, right? And I would have showered him with material gifts instead of showering him with manhood and masculinity and my soul, right? because I pour my soul into my son because when I leave way from here that's going to be the representation of me

so I needed I needed what I needed and it was at the perfect time the money could come back that ain't you know what I'm saying but when you lose your when you lose your mind lose your soul you know that's a huge loss man

you really broke like you were saying you know some rich dudes they got all this money but they ain't got no soul no type of the kids don't even call them on Thanksgiving a Christmas they banked up the kids won't even fuck with them was the celebrity guy

we talked to the other day which one? I want to say I don't remember if this was on camera or not I think this was off camera but we talked to a guy we talked to a guy the other day that his son was upset with him the main reason his son was upset with him

was not because what he did not because when he went to prison, but because his son felt like you pissed through my inheritance. Like I could have, I would have ended up with that money. And now you're working at like a drug rehab or something.

And he's like, you're like, you're never going to have any money. And when you, you know, you're not going to be able to leave me anything. It was just like, are you fucking serious?

Like, I mean, I, you know, it's just like, that's that that to me and the kid says it like he doesn't think there's anything wrong with it and I'm thinking it like horrible he was raised with the money he was raised with the money right so he's just in his mind he always expected that I'd be getting this money or whatever that's what

he equated his life that's what he equated a good life to and and of course you know he's upset with his father over it it's like are you like bro like that money is not your problem you've got a bigger problem than not getting that money at this point because that's your whole life is money obviously that's what you're you're more concerned about the money than the fact that now you have your father back in your light like boy you're your priorities this kid's got a fucking world to hurt ahead of him so yeah um daggy i'm asking you list or can we wrap this up can we are we yeah really quick for your socials like are you posting what are you posting across all your socials because these people that have listened to this

conversation you know what am i posting yeah like on instagram youtube um you want me just talking to the mic or yeah yeah so so on my instagram i post mostly uh a lot of positive messages uh calisthenics uh reels uh mostly just what i've been talking here the whole day, man, believing in yourself, self-confidence, self-esteem. On my YouTube channel, I do a lot of calisthenics videos, but I'm doing the interviews of the federal prison comeback series, dudes that have gone to prison, got out, changed their lives, didn't go back to doing what they were doing. And the same thing, you know, self-esteem and entrepreneurship, you know, believing in yourself, man, self-confidence. That's really what my whole

platform is geared toward or are they do they all have the same what's the uh the handle on all of them the youtube channel is the podcast with soul the instagram is the podcast with soul and the spotify spotify spotify podcast with so you can listen to me on spotify hey matt man listen i want to thank you man for uh shout out to my man wade from crime and entertainment for hooking this up for me and matt man i appreciate you uh having me on your show man i appreciate you thank you man no problem. Hey, you guys, I appreciate you watching. Do me a favor, hit the subscribe button. We're going to leave all of Sean's links. If you go in the description box, so you can click on the link and shoot there to all of his social media, YouTube, you can watch the videos,

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