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Episode Date: July 8, 2025

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Me as a drug lord of Baltimore, any misstep could cost my life. So I implemented codes that had to do with the Ten Commandments. When you start thinking you're untouchable is when you get hit. So eventually, I break one of my codes. I was rebellious. It means you have a lot of energy. Yeah. I was also kind of like somebody that liked to do things my own way.

You know, I'm an entrepreneur. I think as a kid, I was always a critical thinker. So I always kind of looked at things from a different lens. I think I learned differently than most kids. Most kids are taught to memorize. I was more of a kind of a strategic thinker. I was the type of kid that always wanted to work. Why am I here at school learning?

I want to be out there shoving snow or selling raffle tickets or canvassing, anything like that. That's what made me different. I like to go out. I had a lot of energy. Problematic in terms of as we grew, I liked my humble upbringing. In fact, I liked that a lot more than when my parents started gaining money. Because when that happened, there was less attention upon me. It was more neglected.

and I kind of took a liking to African-American studies. You know, I really liked, you know, I just, I was kind of drawn to the black communities next to my white community I lived in. And I felt a lot of the private school kids that I went to school with were kind of boring. And I would just go into other neighborhoods that were more dangerous and bring them back to my house. Sometimes we get in trouble. I guess that's just short of it. How long did that go on? I mean, we're all throughout my middle school, all throughout high school.

Ultimately, my parents were trying to do everything they can to get me to go to Ivy League, Ivy League college. I was not liking school. And I actually went on strike at this all boys private school. And I said, I'm going to get straight Fs until we go back to the negotiating table to go to a co-ed public school. And it worked. We ended up going to the negotiation table. They tried to keep me in that school as Loyola High School. And again, on weekends, I'm starting to get in trouble.

I'll tell you about that later, fights. But ultimately, we agreed upon a co-ed Catholic school that was half white, half black. I like going to, you know, multicultural type schools. That's why I wanted to go to private public school my entire time. And we ended up going to great school with, you know, great legends like Olympian Needin' all to Tim Conley, who, you know, manages a lot of the NBA teams to Carmelo and the one through our school as well. Were you, I mean, were drugs involved in like in this getting in trouble? No, I actually was pretty much anti-drugs.

What was good about public or the private school sector is they really taught you. And you had a good look of really what were drugs brought you, especially during the 80s and early 90s. You saw how drugs devastated the city of Baltimore. So believe or not, it was actually anti-drugs throughout high school. Okay. So you, I mean, what happens? Do you end up, you end up graduating high school and going to college or you get in trouble? Well, so I mean, one thing that I was good at is avoiding trouble and my mom ultimately later became a judge. So trouble with my family, yes. I never really got in trouble with the law. But I was definitely involved in, I guess the best way to say it is throughout high school, most people in high school are in. the sports. Me being the critical thinker, I'll be watching somebody playing football and would look at that and say, it's not really good for you. Why would I partake in that,

hitting my head against another man's head with a helmet? Not going to do that. But I was more into martial arts. So as I got into martial arts, I started winning tournaments. And my family started making more money. But as they became more, making more money, they became, they neglected me more we moved eventually into like this big mansion and they would hire handlers I would call them to watch me even move them into the home and literally was completely not raised by my family by other people so and some of them were very abusive and I would get into that much later conversation but just under kind of tormented my mother even though she was a judge she was also narcissistic sociopathic probably a psychopathic so didn't have any loving

attributes. My dad was very distant. And then ultimately, I just started winning all these tournaments, but then saying, hey, how effective are my point sparring in a real physical fight? So as I got bigger in the high school, I started really starting street fights. And we actually just led into what we call organized three fights, bare knuckle fights in high school. Most people my age really weren't into fighting, but those groups of kids. that were into it, mostly older, a little bit bigger. So I just really got it big into fighting, brawling. And the city was pretty much prone to fighting and violence anyway.

So it's just kind of part of the culture of Baltimore at that point. Sounds like the first 20 minutes of a fight club, right? It's similar. But it's got a brawling culture, Baltimore does. Where was fight club? Yeah, yeah, because it seems very, very dark, wherever the city that was. Delaware? where? Well, it's next door. Okay. There you go. All right. I don't know what I'm just going to say. Did you ever read Fight Club? Anyway, okay, so how, I mean, you're getting into fights. You're getting into, well, semi getting in trouble. Your parents aren't happy with you. Do you graduate high school? I did. I graduate from Towsy Catholic. My senior year of school, my sister ended up getting a rare type of cancer called neuroblastoma. That kind of further aggregates.

aggravated me as a teenager because you didn't know when she was going to die they gave her a month to live and they my parents thank god they had enough money to try different experimental treatments holistic treatments as well and we live right there by johns hopkins so she was a lot of times posted up in johns hopkins in baltimore i elected to go to a local college so i could be a part-time caretaker she was on so many different therapeutic different drugs and pills that she had to to have somebody with her at all times to feed her those pills and it was every every 30 minutes more and more pills how long i mean did she survive or ultimately she just kind of parlays into what what what led to where i i got into so after first year of college went to a college right next to

where my family lived right and so i live home and with the college i had to go to school part-time because i was a part taker or caretaker so i would go to school there if we thought maybe the first year she would die second year probably third or fourth year she passed okay and it kind of started this whole cycle of she died my dad left the house my mom had a psychic like a psychotic episode she already had some mental illness super intelligent just so you know super um you know capable you know she self-made millionaires a female um you know so you can't take that away from her and I had already aged 19 that's backtrack a little bit. I was a very social kid.

Being ADHD, I liked to go out a lot. It was a way for me to kind of blow off smoke during my sister's death and meet kids and being a local. I had my friends that lived in the community of Baltimore and then I had my college friends. So I was going out every night of the week with my different social groups. By age 19, I wanted to get a fake ID and there was a group that came into Baltimore. Apparently, there was a Gambino faction that was in Baltimore for many years as the 90s came about the 1990s.

The only last family that was really in there was the Magliano family. We could go into this history of Mafia if you want to at one point. But ultimately, they started dying off. A lot of the members of the Gambino faction of Baltimore were dying off. And as they were doing that, a younger group came in from the DeCalvicante family from North Jersey and Staten Island. and they brought some younger guys to bring in, you know, where there was a void. There was absolute some opportunity in Baltimore as this faction was dying off.

So they got drug sales, loan sharking, mostly gambling, you know, like bookmaking. Yeah, I always get that wrong. But there was a big heavy one. And these guys infiltrated, not just Baltimore, but all the local universities, including going as far as Georgetown and D.C. and University of Maryland. So I met them when I was 19 and I noticed that they were really muscular. What year is this, by the way? I was 19.

So we're talking like mid-1990s. Yeah, okay. So there's no internet gambling. This is these guys have the market. This is one used to actually call Costa Rica. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know those days? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I know because I mean. I had pagers. I had a buddy who would page his guy and this and they would send different codes and. Yeah. So like for me, I saw them. I was still fighting on the story. streets of Baltimore and was winning. I was getting stronger. I was in the gym two hours a day. And I go, how are you guys so big? And they go, and they took me in the back room and they showed

me what was called the steroid Bible. And I took that book. They said, listen, you got to pick up your fake ID in two weeks. You know, we just took your picture. Memorize this book. Get back to me. Come back to me. We'll talk. So I memorized the book. Memorize what Echo Poise can do to you, what Anadroo can do to you, what Decker can do with you, Windstrel, you name it. And I started taking it myself I got three gym memberships and I just started you know selling steroids and it was extra money and I was really doing it for fitness I started gaining weight and getting muscle buying growth hormone from them and this is during the same period of time that your your sister is sick yeah okay yeah so I mean that was another way for me to blow off speed and steam I love to train

two hours a day at the gym um and I was getting bigger and bigger people are noticing it and people are like whoa how did you get so big and every Friday I just come back and you know come back with a stack of cash and really is not a lot of money to be made in steroids if you know the drug game for a 19 year old for a 19 year old it's okay it's good extra cash it helps me you know pay for my bar tab you know going out the dinners etc um and also helped me build a relationship with this these two factions of the mafia and it allowed me also to really watch their enterprise because one of them his name is fred caruso he would have like a master class of criminality in his living room and I would sit back and just watch him and watch for you know better part of two

three years to see how he operated and you know it was it was very intriguing to me but I was very much happy I was eating a clean diet maybe going out the bars during a few drinks and taking those PEDs you know the better my strength and size okay and so you're saying how does this kind of work in let's go back into this so when my so by time I'm 21 my sister dies Okay. Like I said, my dad leaves. My mom has a psychotic episode. She ends up inviting.

She's from Tampa. Okay. She grew up, born and raised in St. Petersburg. She went to high school with a member of the Trappaconte family. Okay. And she brought up with Joseph Trafalcanti. Okay. So, like one of the sons, his name is Keith Aldernetti.

So she brought him and his team into the house with their bodyguards. And bodyguards were approaching me asking why are the doors unlocked? I go, this whole community knows who I am. Anybody knows not to walk into this house just because of my reputation. And I was very bold with them. And my mom goes, well, this is Keith. He was the man that I would have married if your father and I didn't get married. So, okay, can I, real quick.

I have a couple questions. Please said like five things. One, was your parents already have a right? rocky relationship or was it just because very seldomly does a marriage survive the death of a child? You know what I'm saying? It's just too stressful and you can't help but look at your

spouse and think. They're just a constant reminder of, you know what I'm saying? Of the child that just died. You're 100% correct. So I can see how that would that would have ended, but you're saying they were already kind of on the rocks. My mom's very difficult to live with and deal with. She's a nurse says she's constantly out what can you do for me she's hard to be around um i got enough information

from one of the handlers that was living at the house remember they constantly hired people in their mansion that my dad was already planning on divorcing my mom once i kind of left my sister died it was already in the works in my minds my dad's heads so so the other thing is what kind of a what kind of a judge was she a judge at this time your mom yeah yeah so what kind of judge was she she was an unethical one yeah i i'm saying was she was she a criminal civil or or was it traffic court no so so she wasn't like a criminal like you would think of like she just no criminal i don't let me explain so let me explain how she was oh what she was so she was a high profile attorney constantly in the news she even did a beta test uh tv show with Oprah went

for was originally from baltimore lived there for a period of time um she always became the criminal or she became the expert. Her cases, I'll go into the judgeship in a second, had to do with the archdiocese, sexual allegation, medical malpractice, medical or sexual allegations against doctors, but all her best friends were judges, and they were pushing her to be a judge.

And she was a star and local public defender before that. She opened up her own practice. Before she knows, she's a self-made millionaire. My dad was very good at running the operations. My mom was the thing. case and the litigation. She didn't want to be a judge. Her best friends were all judges. I was raised by these judges. I know them in and out. To this day, I still communicate with a lot of them. But she said, no, but they offered him what was called a master of the court. So she

had bought a building, my dad and my mom, across the street from the courthouses in Baltimore. So I was as a child always working in that law firm. As a 12-year-old, I'll be pulled out of my bed. If you sleep hot at night, you know how disruptive that can be. Whether you're having trouble falling asleep, you're waking up sweating in the middle of the night or all of the above. That's where Ghostbed can help. As the makers of the coolest beds in the world, Ghost Bed is your go-to for cooling mattresses, cooling pillows, and cooling bedding. From their signature ghost ice fabric to patented technology that adjust to your body's temperature, every ghost bed mattress is designed with cooling in mind.

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just visit ghostbed.com slash cox and use code cox at the checkout. That's ghostbed.com slash cox and use code cox for 10% off sitewide. Brought to the law firm, she built two conference rooms that were served as chambers for her. And she was across the street from the courthouses. She became what's called a master of the court, allowed her to be a judge for uncontested divorce cases. So she literally just had two people. come in, she hit the gavel, get some money, call it, and that was it. So it was a form of judge that allowed her to continue her practice because her civil practice was generating millions.

She wasn't about to let that go. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Um, okay. Um, okay, I mean, that, that, that's good. Yeah. That's all I had. Going back to this. But I'm so, but I'm so, but, but, but she invites this guy in. Yes. Clearly tied in with organized crime. Um, that, do you know, do you you know what I'm saying like that to me is problematic like like you're a judge you you know they're typically they're they're like they don't want to be associated they want to be in the same room with any type of criminal element you would think that in many ways that's true but her her close fan like who she is individually like her best friends are some of the top criminal defense attorneys in the country right um but let me tell you kind of the the change

attorney point in my life sister died dad left he took off he took off already bought properties in the eastern shore in Maryland, already planned it out, opened up a cigar, sort of completely had his exit strategy already in place, not caring one bit about me. So I'm already tormented by those points. Travacante family's there. Mom's there. At the same time, the DeKalvecante family and the Gambino, they worked together, they were calling me up left and right, asking me to help unload a new drug called E, X, okay?

I was anti-drugs. I'm now faced my mom. I got the Traficonte family in front of me. My mom looks at me and she goes, just so you know, we're kicking you out of the house. You got to leave. And I go, remember, she's a narcissistic sociopath, okay? She's also going through a complete psychotic meltdown

and called the only person she knew to make her feel better, Keith Alder and Eddie. I had nowhere to go. I had nowhere to go. I had two calling me to help unload the drug, a drug that I'm anti-against. And with $200 on my name and nowhere to go and still had school to the finish, I go, Mom, you know I've been going part-time as a caretaker for my sister.

She's like, that's your fault. If you want to graduate, it's on you. So I was stuck in the tight spot. And my mom gave me at least the ability to move in the basement of one of her friends' homes. And then within two weeks of me trying to figure this out, my phone's blowing up by his name is Freit Caruso, the De Calvacante family, and Greg Crawford, who's half Irish, half Italian. That's why he's got the Irish last name, Crawford.

I said no for two weeks. Ultimately, I decided to sit down with them at a diner, mostly like a restaurant, and take a couple hundred pills. I went to meet with them. They gave me 2,000, my first sit down. I was like, what am I supposed to do with this? I've never sold, I sell, I sell, I sell, PD. like, you know, steroids.

I don't sell drugs. I'm anti-drugs. What do you want me to do with this? They're yours. Well, I call the one friend that I know. They're fronting them to you. Yes. Everything was always fronted to me.

For what? For how much pill? Oh, God. We ended up having the lowest price in the entire city of Baltimore. It was like eight, nine bucks. Oh, okay. They're easily selling for 10, 11, 12 bucks per thousand in Baltimore at that point. Baltimore at that point, is small to more.

It's very much removed from modern-day society, especially with no internet they stay in their own realm just the possibility of having a contact in New York is a big deal there I made one phone call to a friend of mine I met many years before in high or in middle school who's from from Chile's in the same as Cisco he got rid of it within two hours I returned the money within another week I'm getting rid of up up to 5,000 a week before I know it I'm up to 10,000 and before I know it the number one drug lord his name is Tom Dixon at the point they based the character Tommy Egan and power based on Tom Dixon

who was a white drug lord in the all black city of Baltimore is their number one top kingpin he put a hit out on me and happened to have met with the DeKalbaconte family and the Gambino contact Fred and Greg and they got wind that there was a hit out for me for me I'm lost I'm like I'm just trying to get by pay my college with this money

and I just got into this. I didn't even want to be in it. Still living in the basement of your mom's friends? Temporarily. Okay. But I'm banking money. Right. Getting prepared to move.

Okay. So they do an emergency meeting with Tom Dixon. There was really two drug lords of Baltimore. That was Benny Magliano and Tom Dixon. Benny Magliano was a local, was one of the last remaining Gambino from Baltimore. for people that was representing the Gambino family from Baltimore. Boy, these names are something else,

but I was raised in Tampa. There's a lot of Smiths and Browns and John. So Vinny is very well to do on to murder today. So they did an emergency meeting with me and Tom Dixon. And I'm pretty bold. You know, I'm already a street fighter. I pretty much tastes a lot to frazzle me. So as soon as I meet with Tom,

I just was, like, sitting there, like, that didn't even phase me. And Fred and Greg just came up with a solution and say, hey, listen, Tom's been untouched as a drug lord in Baltimore for a better part of 15 years. Okay? You just got into it. We used to propose, you're our only contact than Tom is. We proposed we put you under Tom. And I'm a very practical, high IQ, you know, critical thinker. I'm like, that makes perfect sense.

you know, I heard you are out the, you know, the Kill Me Tom likes to meet you. Okay. I can learn a lot from you. And then that started, you know, a process that we could get into and go down that rabbit hole. Okay. So what, what happened then? You guys come up with a solution where he gets a piece of everything that you're selling. Yeah. And he kept me at my same price. Right. And he just got a piece of it. Um, most of the time they're now at this point, those two guys only wanted to work with me and Tommy. And they wouldn't, communicate with anybody else in the city of Baltimore. Where are you getting rid of these and do you have people underneath you or you're just if you're not one guy going from club to club? No. So I would refuse to sell clubs. I would always still during the daytime. I would only at the beginning I was selling maybe hundreds.

Francisco, believe or not, was my main guy for the longest period of time. As you grow in that realm, you start finding the right people. Certain mentors find you, start guiding you, certain members of the local Gambino family. one of them was Eric DeCastro, one of my best mentors, really showed me the ins and outs of the industry. And he really kind of made me into like a perfect selling machine. He went overboard in terms of the rules I would have to abide by. I was kind of a square in certain ways.

And I was actually kind of like the thought of actually having rules and codes implemented to better, you know, my game and craft. I ultimately looked at it from a couple different levels of perspective. A, I knew where I was right before I got this opportunity. So I was fully grateful for what I was given, okay? Even though I didn't want the position, that was that. I also had an issue in terms of my mom being a judge, being a lawyer, and having issues with integrity. And I saw as an opportunity to add integrity into this level of criminality.

So I implemented codes that had to do with the Ten Commandments. You know, thou shall not lie, not lie, thou should not steal. I'm not playing games here. Thou shall not kill. You know, I always thought killing was bad for business. It really wasn't my thing. But what I also do did is I held on to the thought that any misstep now going forward was, could cost me my life. If not that, it could cost me all my money.

If not that, it's going to cost me my freedom. And I held on to that the entire way through. So, and this is. you're saying this is in the early early 90s now we're getting into like 97 98 okay because i was say um initially i spent two years just selling steroids right so but initially when you know when x came out it was it wasn't even illegal for several years 100% correct so at this but by this point it is definitely illegal no let me explain the beginning of it uh before you had the internet you had LexisNexis and you get a disk and they'll give you what the updated of Lexus Nexus is

and you get an updated every six months. And it's been ridiculous. So I would dig into Lexis Nexus on my parents law firm and I look up the case law for X. And there were no, there was no case law at that point. That also further justified it. Also, we have to remember, if you're old enough to remember, we went through a phase of X where all the clubs were turning into clubs, they were throwing bars in the clubs,

they were playing dance music. It was a scene. It was a movement, a music movement. And even then, even when it became illegal, it wasn't like, it wasn't like they were, wasn't like, you know, grok or, you know, you'm saying. Which opens up the next thing, I'll be listening.

You're right there with it. No, you're in sync. I'm not saying it's not illegal, but I'm saying they're not, there's not task force. So what I would call is, one of the good things about my family having a law firm is they had a building a cross you from the courthouses. So they had a parking lot. So all the cops would ask the park there while

they're going to court. So I get to know all the cops. And I'll go to the law firm and I'll go up to a cop. I go, what's your priority list? I go, what do you mean? I go, what is the number one thing that you guys are focused on? They go, murder. What about X? We have no priority list for X. Now we're on our radar. In fact, he goes, I just saw this kid the other day. He had access to see outside. this club. I didn't know what to do with it. I told him to take it, throw it on the ground, start stomping out the pills. That's how they handled that. You know, what's funny is remember we interviewed, gosh, Mike Dowd, when Rock first came on the scene, and he just had no, no idea what it well. Like none of them did for, you know, for months until they started realizing there

were so many issues and problems with this drug. And then it came out. So it took a long period of time for it to catch up. But even then I think, because I've actually, because I wrote a book called The Devil Exposed. It was my, bought my buddy, Pierre Rossini, who was initially he was manufacturing X. It turned into him manufacturing ice, you know, because it was much more profitable. But it was looked at like such a, you know, mind expanding drug that the authorities, although they were trying to make kind of the precursor material is kind of, you know, illegal. They're just not. They just weren't. It took a while before they really got on their radar and they said, oh, we need to start going ahead and focusing on this. It also helped me with,

I built out a playbook and also built out what we could get into later. And I built out a system when I started bringing all my people and I like to talk about how I recruited my team under me. But I put them on a C, on a cycle, you know, I gave it, I distributed the pills them on Thursday, E on Thursday, and I would collect on Sunday, latest Monday morning and I would drop off the money either to Tommy or, or Freddie. The reason that's important is because it's not a drug or people are feigning for on a Monday or a Tuesday. It's really, it's called a club drug because that's exactly what it was. People were getting ready for the weekend, going out Thursday, Friday or Saturday. They would love the feeling of the, you know, of the EX during the music scene.

And then by the time Sunday comes around, everybody's, and Monday, they're back to work. Yeah, yeah. They're not breaking into houses and stealing from their mothers. That's correct. You know, get money to. But it was such a big movement that it became quite profitable specifically during that era. Right. Yeah.

made a bunch of money um so okay so how how long i mean do you don't stay in the basement apartment i'm assuming no um not that i'm sure i'm sure was lovely i mean eventually i was able to move to a higher end location off campus i was able to pay my way through college um you kept going to college yeah i was a student and it was very difficult i mean i brought on multiple mentors that got to know who i was i didn't brag about it but by having my college world and my local community world, which would be whatever you would call it, the local community that had their own scene going out every night, going to, you know, going to pubs, going to clubs, et cetera.

I had two realms, two worlds. And it allowed me to utilize college kids for my playbook and strategies because those two worlds never collided, hardly ever. They didn't know each other. They didn't mesh well. these guys are wearing certain level clothes, have a certain way of communicating college kids are focused on their peers in school.

So it will allow me to utilize my college friends as stash houses. Let me give an example. So I always saw talking on a phone as a liability. Why would I ever talk on a phone? It's going to be tapped. And I got a strategy I implemented was called unpredictability as your ally.

And what I mean by that is if as you're growing and getting bigger, there are laws. They're starting to hit the books after two, three years. The feds are starting to follow me. And I started having to put in certain game plans after the two, two and a half year mark. And yes, I'm moving into bigger places, nicer places. But part of the, my mentor taught me, he's like, you got to move every six months. Well, that worked in with school. So every six months, I would move in.

in to a new apartment, all in the name of another student's name. And boom, every six months, never, and you can never tell anybody where you live. Never tell. So every six months move, if you can do it three months, even better. But every six months, you have a new, you have a new semester. So you're moving. Then I would also, you know, go up to a college kid, I go, hey, you want a phone. They go, yeah, I want a phone. Okay, I'm going to pay for your phone. We're keeping your name. We're also going to put a phone. Give me a phone. It's still going to stay in your name and that's it and I would do that almost every month sometimes every two three weeks break the phone new one break the phone no one so I constantly wanted to make sure my phone was clean um me and Tommy when we

would meet to go have the drop off points we would go to a club speak with a wuffer to our ear we would never speak on the phone we would have a drop off place if anybody were wearing a wire you would never be able to find it so I just started implementing strategies it was difficult especially the fact I'm making a lot more than my finance professors and I'm getting a business degree but yeah I just stayed in school I'm kind of going off but I just want to give you a sense of how you evolved so how often are they bringing it these guys bringing in pills every week where are they their pills coming do they have a manufacturer well you know if you know the the history of actually especially back then guys like lewis ciskin those guys were dropping it you know

and it's really heavily connected to the jewish mafia most specifically these mafia. Okay. And I think a lot of them, a lot of Israelis have family members in the Amsterdam. I think a lot of it was being made out there that the Israelis were savvy enough to take on the role of importing into the U.S. Me as a drug lord of Baltimore, which I got into later, I'll get into later, I liked an environment that I knew in a controlled environment. So I liked, I knew the city of Baltimore. I knew it in and out. I knew the people I was working with. I was working with a lot of people I knew since I was middle school. Are people that you're dealing with getting busted?

So let's talk about that. As I'm growing, I'm more or more or less isolating myself and only associating with a tighter and tighter group. If you show, if you're using drugs or you're showing behavior that would be a liability, like a Borrello type, you know, that would be somebody I would not associate with. Okay, that would be somebody that would be a liability to my platform. You could call it a couple of different things.

When you become, you know, a lot of my, I call it a spirituality or criminality, I put a lot of spiritual codes into my system that kind of paid off later on because I'm operating at such a level that I'm not afraid of you finding my pills because I'm like three steps ahead. I'm more worried about studying the law

and getting busted for conspiracy, which is basically RICO for drug lords, as opposed to being caught with the drugs themselves. So yes, somebody would try to do what we call a control by. And it always usually 99% of the time I get the call before. Hey, what's his face? That was the good thing. It benefited Baltimore.

Baltimore, small to more. Everybody knows each other. I already know if you got busted. I got contacts everywhere. I got contacts in law enforcement. As soon as you get busted, got the call. And I go, hey, what's going? I heard what happened.

What are you doing? I'm just studying just busy with school. And I was end the conversation. right there but that name if they choose to bring down on a federal level can be come after you you know for conspiracy yeah at a later point i was going to say because you said the the feds are you know you're on the feds radar yes they they didn't just you know it's not word of mouth like they had to the money was so prevalent and i think that's what shifted the uh the laws and they always kind of bring up kids and the raves and all that but realistically the money was so big in fact

we had issues you know me and Tommy with a bad cop that got into the game two that we're at war with what was that let's he just i mean what is that well tommy if you jump in the game he wants to get you right that's just how he is and uh and this guy was jumping you know tommy i was maybe doing five 10 000 Tommy's doing 30 50 000 i got the 30 000 once i started taking over dc a week okay and once i started taking over dc and virginia later on indiana we could talk about that later um but yeah so he just saw as a local and we were just getting he got really bad to just say that almost got you know real bad with us and this cop and it turned out later on that cop was a big liability for all of us he ended up uh just saying

he had a medical leave and as he was going on medical leave he opened up his own enterprise in Baltimore he ended up getting in trouble later on okay um all right so where does this do you end up graduating college yeah let's talk about before that um so while i am about the last year of school, all my codes are created for a reason. And as I'm linked up with Tommy, I started creating my own crew. And I took a lot of intel and information from both my mentors, from my experiences, even experiences in those two years before I even sold X. I would see how the DeKalva Conte family treated their allies, their people, their group, the people that or in their mafia sect, okay?

And I made it very clear that anybody I bring into my realm, I'm not going to get personal, you're not my friend, I'm going to be militant, okay? We're not going to have casual conversations about girlfriends. Not going to happen, okay? I was very clear watching him. One specific story still stuck on my head. Now, I remember he brought on this guy named Gaetano,

who was running an entire section of Georgetown, the undergrad, the bookmaking, and this guy was highly intelligent, just got a job at Merrill Lynch, and he had just created 10 fake accounts under various names, which you could get away with back then. They all lost their bets. Guy Tano was into it for Fred Caruso for a better part of 100, maybe $200,000 in bets they were lost. So this guy who was his close friend was now his bitch, basically the way he treated him, the horror I saw in front of me, it made it very very. very clear. A, you're one misstep between, one misstep in being Gaetano, okay, or going to prison

or being treated like that. This guy just the week before, Frank Cruz, he's my brother. I love this guy. I called his father. Now look where he is today. Okay. So I took the role very seriously, and I try to devise a game plan to bring on people with similar attributes and levels of integrity, but also had a threatening look. You had to be like six foot, two. You had to be like six foot two plus 230 pounds plus my favorite was guys that were just graduated from college maybe one of them what was I call him reacher looks just like the character reacher right it could be his twin okay six foot four 275 pounds not Tom cruise rich no the other one okay looks just like him okay me and him bounced at clubs before he wanted in I didn't think he had it in him but he was

my driver for a while he learned everything from me he became one of my best students you know I call him students and he um he ended up very intimidating you look at him you're freaked out immediately that just stops half the battle when he walks into a room okay so he's great for enforcing debts getting debts immediately when you look at him you're going to pay so um and he was very charismatic very intelligent it was practicing he was preparing to go pro he there was a movie replacements at that point with count of reeves film he was all in that movie um so he was so he was my first guy and then the second guy, he graduated away from the University of Maryland. Now that guy today works for the NSA and DOD. Most of my guys now work for the DOD, just so you know, none of them got

busted. And today they do. He very stern, big jaw, barely spoke, you know, he's almost like a spy. He had that look, almost like a James Bond look, entirely intelligent. He was one of my top guys, and he had a whole neighborhood called the Overly Crew, and he ran that. And I taught him all my, all my, you know, codes, he's stuck by it. These guys are like soldiers. They follow my lead. So I would look for guys like that that had the intimidating characteristics, intelligence, integrity, and would follow my guide. And these guys weren't my friends. They were my students. And like I said, I was very militant. And those guys proved to be a credible team to work with, people you would trust. Much different than, you know,

a mafia group that would go into a social club laugh joke on each other that's not how i roll and tommy dixon who had been unscathed for 15 years he was a great teacher to me a great mentor and i learned a lot of the same attributes from tommy dixon as well it's funny you mention that because so i had a mortgage company right and i had about 10 or 12 guys working for me i and i actually mentioned this to my wife it came up yesterday in a conversation and I was telling her that when I first started I was first year or so like I had like issues with a bunch of these guys like not like arguments but like you have to be here at nine and they're coming in at 930 10 they're not calling they're leaving in the middle of the day

they're you know they're hey I'm they're taking days off and not really oh yeah yeah bro I'm going to take off tomorrow they're that sort of thing um and it every Everything seemed like it was a discussion. I remember one time I was on the, I was somewhere with my, and my father was like at my dad's house or something. We were having a dinner or something. And I was on the phone. I was kind of arguing with somebody.

And when I got off the phone, my dad was like, what's that about? And I told, oh, this guy, Dominic, he, you know, like the guy he shows up at this time. Actually, I think it was Eddie La Fuente, down there you think about it. You know, he this, he that. And I was complaining about him. And he's like, so this is somebody who works for you? And I was like, yeah, he's like, oh, I thought it was like a buddy of yours. And I was like, well, we are friends.

And I remember my, I was telling him that this was an issue with a lot of these guys. I'm like, you know, and my dad was a state farm manager and he had like 30 agents that worked for him. And, you know, and I grew up, my father would have like quarterly like a party, a big party. There would be like a hundred people would come to the house. We had a big house and he would, you know, they'd go on vacations together, right? But these were, so in my mind, these were my dads. They were employees. They worked for him.

He was a manager. They were agents. But they were all very friendly. They would call the house after hours. They would talk on the phone. But I was a kid. I don't really know what they're talking about, right? Like I see him show up.

They all have drinks. They, everybody's laughing and joking and they leave. But, you know, and, and so. as we were talking, he said, let me, let me, let me do you a favor. He said, you like, you like, oh, yeah, like everybody. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, and mine, I'm 30 something. I'm like 30 something years old. I'm like, yeah, yeah. Well, I was 30. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I like him. No, he's a good guy. He's just this. He's this. And this so-and-so does this. My dad said, listen, let me, let me save you some problems in the future. These people are not your friends. Do not hire your

friends. Do not make your employees, your friends. And I was like, well, I mean, you have, you know, so and so. And I would mention a couple people that, and he go, no, no, Matt, that vacation, they want a trip. You know, these six agents or four agents want a trip to Hawaii. As their manager, I get the trip too. Right. You're allowed to bring your family. Right. We went on a little vacation together. We're not friends. It's a, it's a junket that is paid for by state farm that flies us in. We're not friends as when we have the quarterly parties every once in a while because they meet something, they meet a deadline or a certain amount of sales or whatever. We have a party at this point. Sometimes we don't have the party. He's like they drink,

they eat. Everything's fun. We laugh. We socialize. It's wonderful. But we're not friends. He said there will come a time when you'll have to fire people. There will come a time when you will will draw a line in the sand, and as your friend, they can test that. They can step, your friend can step over that line with you, right? But your employee can't. And I, and, you know, he had this, like, it was a serious conversation. And I kind of, you know, I took it to heart, sort of. And I'd say over the next probably three to six months, it really started dawning on me that

if I got into a disagreement with some of these guys, they were talking to me in a way that you're not like you're under a misconception here you know what I'm saying like like there's no recourse for me where the recourse they don't I think that they didn't think they would ever become a commerce a time during that conversation where I would say all your shit will be in a box sitting outside the fucking door when you get there on money I want my fucking key back you know what I'm saying they didn't have that fear of me and so and it took a long time it took months of me having to you have to restructure you get to restructure yeah And it's hard to restructure it.

If you don't start it off right, it's hard because now you're not, you're, you're a dick. You should be cool. Yeah. Now you're, and but you expect your boss to have a certain, be kind of a, you know, there's that line. And once you go from friend and you try and pull back, now you're just a fucking asshole. It's almost impossible. It is. It is.

And it really, in a very, in a very real way it was. But when you, from what you're telling me is that at least you figure that out right away, I had to go through a whole. process and had to be kind of mentored by my father to say no no no no stop don't don't talk to them about their families don't you could know their wife's name their kids I was very clear that if I made a mistake Freddie Crusoe would kill me right okay well see I don't I didn't have that like like equity lending's not sending somebody in fact in fact in that environment is not going to kill me right just put me in the action it made me more stern maybe add more codes it just made me always, I always held on to the fact, one misstep of being murdered or incarcerated

or both. It's a different industry. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah. So what I mean by that is I knew that I knew how the level of risk that I was taking and the consequences related to that. Right. And I came into it with that mindset right from the start.

Well, and you also had, like you said, you had a mentor from the very beginning. I had mentors. I had family members and the. military there's questions of whether or not my grandfather might have been the CIA kind of in my mindset already and um i just it just came to me naturally to go that way and in fact sometimes i act a little off to scare them i wanted to keep them in check and they always and the good part of it is the closer you were to me because of my structure the better you were off And that goes for Freddie Caruso as well.

Let me give you a story. Those guys eventually, we got a lot of cool stuff we could get into. I'll tell you what I mean by this specific thing. When they were close to me, my integrity, the way I structured, rubbed off on them as well. They ended up having to go back to New Jersey, go back to Staten Island. They didn't want to stay in Baltimore. They allowed me and Tommy to run operations in Baltimore. So when they did that, they went back to their mafia crew.

their ways sort of rubbing off on them now they start stealing from drug lords which would have never happened in my presence now their karma's getting bad we'll get bad for them later on but if you stay under my structure and my codes which is way better i call omerita 2.0 is way more superior than their omerta uh and it proved that because we don't my mind is built so you don't get caught my mind's built so you last my built my Mine's built. If you think about the people I would bring in, they were just graduating college they're looking for that next move. It's built to know that there's an expiration date on this industry. Every major drug lord gets bought. A lot of people go, okay, that drug lord like Ciskin,

when I talk to him, he goes, you want. You know why you want? I may have sold more product to you, and that's how they usually equate the success of a drug lord, a drug supplier, a trafficker. you won because you walk with your money and you never want the prison. That's how you find success in the industry. And the problem is you acquire so much power at a certain point. You got to put that power in check because that power can be more intoxicating than the money and the drugs itself that you're selling. Right. And at some point you slip up.

You start thinking you're untouchable is when you start thinking you're untouchable is when you get hit. Yeah. Yeah, we get sloppy. Yep. So eventually, I break one of my codes. Okay. Okay. So when you break a code, it's pretty much guaranteed that you're going to get some repercussions. One as a position that I have, I'm now formulating alliances with other drug lords. So my best friend now is Shariar. His sister now is Shab. She's a big name, music name right now. You look her up online.

She's huge right now. He was running D.C. He was the X.C. Lord of D.C. And I'm going to visit him all the time on weekends. But the good thing about the Persian Mafia is that they have big, heavy pockets. They own a lot of restaurants and clubs throughout D.C. So he was able to flood that entire market. Most of his family friends own the clubs throughout D.C.

When you formulate alliances, almost like a Lucky Luciana type role, you aren't you don't see these guys as competitors their alliances they become your ally so when i have such a big demand in baltimore sometimes he can't get supplied i could be a supplier and supply dc okay sometimes the the calvicante family are like brian we're out okay my demand doesn't stop your supply stopped my demand is is still there i'm getting calls i could go to shariar hey i need you to give me 10,000, 20,000 pills. You got me? I got you.

So those alliances worked in my favor. Then I go, well, this has an expiration date. I got to build another platform. So I was dating one of the hottest girls on campus and her best friends were the hottest ones. I go, and I knew all the club owners in Baltimore. Some of them were local Gambino people. Some of them were local Jewish mob. So I put deals together and fill up their clubs.

My hot girlfriends and her friends will. go knocking all the doors. I get buses, bused into these clubs in Baltimore, fill them up, make a few thousand hours a night. It's pretty good for a college kid's side gig in case this thing ever goes to thunk, you know, the e-game. One night, I'm there, and part of my codes, emeritus don't, you know, don't fuck, you know, don't have sex with another man's wife. My code is, we're in college.

Find a good woman and stick with her and don't cheat on her. Okay? I found a good woman. Didn't she. on her stuck with her the whole way through while i'm having these clubs girls are throwing themselves at me she gets drunk she starts be pitting me i'm a gentleman i'm just sit there and take it eventually her girlfriend's drag her out she leaves girl jumps on me i stupidly broke two codes a show somebody where i lived two cheated on my girl okay next day who you brought the girl to your house yes that night and my my girlfriend's nowhere to be found she slept there a girl girlfriends that night. Her friend offered a pick her up who was a guy who actually,

he knows of me, should not know where I live. I agree to it. He was also, he happened to be a, happen to have a warrant for his arrest. He gets busted later that night. Okay. I get a call immediately. Billy's arrested. He's singing your name. The beds are going to come in. Okay. Get prepared. So I never, what's good about me is one of my rules. You never carry drugs in your house. All my money is in different students' names of different storage facilities. I'm encoding everything into my accounting homework on my computer. Internet is just getting there. So if you look at it, my accounting homework, you're going to see, you know, widgets in there, okay? And my numbers are mostly embedded. You're not going to really find it. It's pretty well, you know, coded in there. So

they showed up and when you're in the legal world you understand search warrants there's no way they had a real legal search warrant and 20 not from just a conversation exactly 20 20 agents went through my place for 12 hours why I had to sit down and stared down them for for 12 hours tearing up the place looking completely perplexed why a drugler like me didn't have any drugs or money in the house. No guns, no nothing. Why would they think that you're a big time drug dealer anyway? They were already trying to find me. Because this is already multiple people. It's not just this one guy. It's multiple people. I had a list of every time you try to do it control my. And I knew eventually that those names could catch up to me later on. And that's why I also knew I had

an expiration day. Well, me and one of the guys could probably do the prequel for the movie we own the city if you ever watched that movie of that series um the guys you know what that series is about or not it's about baltimore corrupt cops that all you know fate they all went to prison for 20 some years for stealing from drug dealers in baltimore okay uh written by david simon who wrote the wire he did this you know a few years ago one of reasons i didn't come out is because of the main detective the mentor for those cops his name is keith gladstone so me keith got into it faced, face, faced. I made one other small mistake.

I had a storage unit with the number he found it. Had about $400,000 in there. He got that. I told him, keep it. Okay? He's like, where did he get this? How did he come across this? It was in my wallet.

I still really left to one of them in there. And this is during the search? During the search. Okay. He was searching everything. He was tearing everything up, going through the vents, everything. Okay. And I had that one card in there.

And thank God. Usually I have like six storage units at a time, you know, usually keep cash and drugs separate. I happen to have a lot of my, my epe on the on the street at that point. So I wasn't fully out of business, but I was a large dent in my money just got hit. He told me to then go ahead and he said, listen, we're going to take off. We are going to have, he goes, you're going to have a meeting tomorrow with us. And they knew who my mom was. I go, call your mom, we're going to have a sit down, and we're going to talk.

And we had to sit down the next day. With your mom? With my mom. Okay. With my mom. And his whole team and the federal prosecutor. And my mom and the federal prosecutor spoke. And they agreed to something.

And then I sat down with Gladstone independently. And we, him and I came to a deal. And the deal was the following. This is going to sound wild. Mind you, I have no 302. Okay, mind you, I've gotten accepted the law school after all this. There's nothing. They had nothing except my money.

My mom, right before that meeting, talk to me, she goes, let them keep the money. Right. Let them keep the money. So Gladstone provided me the following. He goes, Brian, how much more school do you have? I have a year and a half. Okay. Okay.

Here's what we're going to keep your money. Okay. But I'm going to lay it. we have almost enough to get conspiracy on you. We're on you. Okay, we've been on you for a long time. We have our targets on Tom Dixon. We have our targets on Freddie.

We have our targets on the bad cop. We have our targets on Shariar. Okay. You could go ahead and continue. I go continue. I can continue. He said, but you can't work with those because they're going to get got. It's just a matter of time.

That's the deal. That's part of the deal. So we keep the money. Here's the information you're done. providing you. Number two, when you guys are a year and a half, I can hold off my team for a year and a half, but afterwards, you're a fair game. So if you continue, I'm going to get you. Make sure you understand that. The reason I think he was able to do this, because Baltimore is small to tomorrow. Everybody knows each other. It's, you know, it's just my mom knows the judges. My mom

knows the federal prosecutor. The cops know my mom. It's small town, small back, you know, it's a backdoor deal that was put together. I asked them further, this is going to sound wilder, okay? What about the rat? I want to get them. They know, you go, Brian, we checked your place. We know you don't kill anybody. We know you like the fight. Okay, we're like, we like your fights. We know about you. You can beat them up. I go, I could beat up the rat. Is that possible? But yeah, it went away. And I happened to already be mentoring a Russian by a name of Mikkel, already guiding him to open up his own faction of the Russian community of Baltimore

ultimately I told him what's happening he ended up being my supplier Okay so when you say They're going to keep the money You're talking about the this is who Federal government So it was a task force of local Baltimore police With the DEA

Combined into a task force specifically for XA Okay so this is not federal This is a local It's both It's still the DEA as well. But Gladstone is a Baltimore cop, a corrupt cop. And so is this money going to that's in prison today. Just saying that. Okay. I was going to say so it is so because this is not a, this is not a deal I've ever heard of. It would never happen if it wasn't corrupt cops in

Baltimore. I was going to say. So these are the corrupt cops that ultimately get busted. Yes. Is that money going into their pockets or is it going into the troughs? Part of the money was, well, about 100,000 of it was given to me. in a DA letter. The other 300,000 was unaccounted for. So they're just saying, hey, we have a, we seized 100,000, but you know they seized, okay. 300, yes. Okay, so, so what happens after this?

You continue, so you stop dealing with these guys, but these are the mob guys. They have to reach out. If suddenly you just stop talking to them, they have to reach out and sit the fuck going on with this guy. And your place got raided, so they know you were raided. They weren't aware. They weren't aware that you were raided. No. It was so far away.

I moved to a very far county area that's far away from society. They never. So what are you telling them? I just can't do this anymore. I'm honing them off for a couple weeks. I'm honing them off for probably about almost some month. And I'm getting every, and my demand's still screaming at me.

And I'm already talking. There's already a guy. One thing, by mentoring people and taking people under your wing and helping people, you'd be surprised what they're willing and capable of doing for you later on. I was already built, kind of mentoring this Russian guy that thought that, and I was right on point, I go, McKell, you have a great team here. Most of them were Jewish and dissent. Some of them were Russian, someone from Belarus, some of them were from the Ukraine.

They had a very tight community in the Pikesville area of Baltimore. I go, you have your nice team, you know, you have a great team here, build that. And I could go ahead and supply to them, and it'll be another tranche of money. and it turned out to be very lucrative, and it was true. Ultimately, him being Jewish, he had already had plugs in the e-game. He ended up getting his plugs from California and started sending packages out here so I can meet my demand. So I put that together.

Tommy's acting crazy. Like, where are you calling me? I'm avoiding him like the plague. Thank God my communications mostly with Tommy at this point, and he's dealing with Frank Caruso and Greg Crawford. So my communication was really limited with them at that point. I had to deal with Tommy. After a month, month and a half, guess what?

Gladstone gets Tommy Dixon. He was 100% right. He gets him. How he got him, he was on him like, you know, he's already told me he was going to get him. He's already been trying to get him forever. Now Tommy's busted. Now, Greg, I'm sorry, Keith Gladstone, who I paid off, is calling me up going, guess what? Tommy Dixon's trying to save, trying to set you up now.

Right. So he's cooperating against you now. Yes, yes. But he doesn't really have any cooperation because there's no ability for him to get you because you don't want to talk to him at all anymore. No. And, and I already paid class soon off. Okay. So I continue.

Right. And I continue to the point of my graduating, my last test. I had to take one last summer test to graduate. I don't walk with a gown and cap. I just graduate and I already plan my move to New York. On my move, that loss of $400,000 took me. You know, it's something within you when you lose a hit like that. It makes you want to steal from another one.

And I wanted to get out of the game, break my principles while doing it with a bang. So I put one last deal, which I'm not proud of, with the Russians, Mikkel, a large amount, somewhere around 40, 50,000 pills. he gave me, I said the money's right down the street, I'll be right back. Usually it takes a minute I'll pay him back. He was excited about that. I took the pills, moved to New York with all the pills. Right before that, though, here's where it gets scary. Right before I'm getting ready to move to New York, 9-11 hits.

Okay. 9-11 hits. Everything's getting packed. I'm looking at the news. I got to move in two days. I have a place downtown blocks away from where 9-11 hit. now I got to fill up a U-Haul with 40,000 pills of E going through checkpoints. Yeah, that might be an issue.

It was. But thank God I looked like a college kid. Right. I got through all the checkpoints with 40,000 pills. Set up shop. Now the Russian mob wants to kill me. And I couldn't have been better, more safer place than right there where 9-11 was, given the hits that were out for me, especially the Russians at this point, were ready to kill me.

I set up shop there. I start bringing my guys into New York to start finishing up, selling those last bit of bills. My team was highly upset with me because I broke one of my biggest codes. You shall not steal. I never did that. It was against my rules. But they knew they got a good sense that this was my retirement.

Now it's time for them to kind of take over. And my goal goal was just to move New York and become a stockbroker and go legit at that point. Okay, so is that what happened? No. So I go out one night, a club called Sound Factory, okay? That sounds familiar. It was a big E club back then with Jonathan Peters. It's all like big muscle guys.

I was always like a big muscle guy back then working out. And I run into Greg Crawford from the Granbino crime family. I go, Greg, hey. He goes, Brian. I go, what? Follow me. I go, follow you. It's like something out of the movement.

movie. Let's go down this hallway. Let's have the conversation. I'm like, you're walking a room with covered in plastic. It was just like that, you know, come on. We got to go over here and talk, you know? I'm like, nah, and mind you, Greg is way bigger than me. He's like 5-11, 250 pounds of muscle and a fierce fighter. He's a, he's a scary guy to look at and deal with. Me and him just go right into it right there at the club. It's a club where they, they search you for guns. So there's no weapons in there, thank God. And, you know, I, Thank God, a new jujitsu. I was able to give him some chokeholds.

We got pulled apart. Everybody in the club, kind of the way I, I addressed myself, the way I am, very clear to the club. I didn't start the fight. They kicked him out somehow. I was kind of hyperventilating from the fight, and I left it as well. I was like, I saw him outside. I thought I was going to be around too.

Wasn't? At that point, it was very clear. Whatever information he got, I found that later, he had just gotten busted. Tommy Dixon had just set him up. and set Fred Caruso up, and he thought I was part of that. Okay. So that's why he was thinking.

He didn't realize I wasn't working with Tommy anymore. Tommy had just set those guys up. I wasn't really privy to that at that point. But now I call one of my top guys, the guy we referred to as Reacher. He's like, I'm in Hollywood doing movies right now. Come on out. And I happen to meet the Israeli mafia out here.

I was like, there's no way you did. Come on. But, and meanwhile, I didn't even get into, this, he's, he's the one who, he's very charismatic, like I told you, very likable, you know, who's just very similar to the character, loves dogs. And he'd already went to Indiana. Does anybody not love dogs? I mean, I know.

I love my dog, but, you know, he's like a dog, like a heavy dog guy. And he ended up like, you know, before all this, I didn't even add this in there. He's the one who landed in Indiana for me. And he's met the, he knew I was retiring. He found his own connect in L.A. was hooking up Indiana from Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood, okay? Come on now, move in with me. Okay? So I flew out there, you know, bringing my money out the best way I can in trances. And my goal was just to go legit. And I started setting up shop in L.A.

Well, that doesn't, setting up shop in L.A. doesn't sound like going legit. I'm allowing you. I'm allowing you to, the experience. I was going to say that doesn't. So let me explain. My goal was to go legit, okay? And I started doing that. I started, I started, you know, first thing I did is I just had a lot of money saved. And when you want to retire, I live on such stringent rules that I just wanted to have fun finally.

You know, my, even though I cheated on my girlfriend, I got back, I got back with her, okay. I flew her out. And I said, listen, I don't think it's going to work. I think I should tell you face to face. I'm going to break up with you. I want to live my new life out here in L.A. She cried. She went back to Baltimore.

I saw this move to L.A. as a way to completely sever ties with everything. So my plan at this point was not to get back into the game. Okay. I had plenty of money. I had plenty of skill sets. I had no criminal record. So I started out just becoming a club promoter. I wanted to meet different people.

I wanted to get plenty of money. I wanted to bought a brand new car in Beverly Hills, got a beautiful penthouse off sunset Boulevard. I wanted to finally live my life. I wanted to invite people back to my home, which I couldn't do. I want to meet people. I want to enjoy my life because I was so militant

for the better part of five years that I wanted to start living. So that's how I started. And it was a great life. It was a world that I didn't even knew existed coming from Baltimore. It was incredible. I've met all kinds of interesting people. One of them is here, Eden, that you met. And as I'm doing that, now I'm watching some of my friends that moved Orange County

and I'm watching them drive brand new Mercedes. I'm going, what are you guys doing? And I had already had one of our bodyguards. We always had bodyguards when we're in Baltimore. I didn't even give you a fraction of all the crazy stories yet. But he was in the mortgage industry. He just got a daughter and he was going more structured in his life. and I saw an opportunity to learn the mortgage game

and I jumped on, on a mortgage floor and started learning that industry. If you remember back then, we were going through the refy boom. So I started going that direction, learning the mortgage industry, becoming a loan officer, you know, and going out a lot.

And before I know, I'm making like a quarter million a year, just doing loans, doing options in arms, doing, you know, subprime loans, doing it all. You know those loans. And then Brian introduces me, he's like, I want you to meet the head of the Israeli mom out here through their prices that are beyond low. And I was already like, dude, I'm retiring, you know, like I wanted to go legit.

They'll just make, just do the meeting. I go, you know, I don't like meeting new people. That's part of my, you know, I had to go back into the zone with my codes. So I start going this direction. So I ultimately decided and had the meeting and I call one of my top guys from Baltimore. I flew him out. I go, let's just have a sit down. Let's see where it goes. And these guys are offering me pills. Five bucks, which is way lower than the market I was getting, four or five bucks. And my guys

were like, dude, there's still a huge demand. Why not? I go, well, okay, then I'll just be your supplier and you guys take over. And I had let this name is Will take over the whole operation. those guys and I just sent packages once every week or once every two weeks large packages and FedEx and they took over Baltimore and they became pretty much the new lords of Baltimore and I was just they're a supplier for a period of time long story short those guys were too separate for me their structure they lost their structure they lost the codes they started becoming sloppy feds came into one of their properties I don't need Gladstone trying to find me I already had an agreement with him.

I get out after I graduate. And they ended up raiding one of their homes. And right after that, I'm like, I'm out. I don't need any more of this. I'm already, you know, doing mortgages right now. I'm done. So at that point, I got out. You know, ultimately, you know, they would call me actually the baron of Baltimore at that point.

Because now my entire crew that I trained precisely, they were then the new lords of Baltimore, Meaning they were controlling the entire trade of XI throughout Baltimore at that point. Guys that were under me, there's no more Tommy Dixon. There was a Benny Magliano we talked about that was part of the local Gambino family that was removed from us, but he was so a large dealer. Another example of how the Gambino family, the mafia, Omerita, tends to have holes in it because he always find himself in prison. And for the first time, you know, now I have my team, I'm sorry, that's taking. over and I also had a good sense of when to come in, when to come out, you know, like sure, you know, I got out and then I got back in. But I was kind of checking out the temperature of

the environment. Like I said, my whole goal was to go in, not lose your life, not lose your freedom, keep your money and ultimately break away from that. And ideally, most people in that realm or kind of natural entrepreneurs and open up your own platform and become that person you're supposed to be. Right. You know, like, you know, it's inevitable that you're inevitable that you're going to get caught. You're going to allow the power to take over you and you're allowed, you know, your ego and you're going to go to prison or you're going to lose your life. Right. As I got acclimated out there, you know, I was working with the Israeli mafia. I try to keep my role pretty low. And I started dating this girl whose family, you know, is connected to the Sinaloa cartel.

It's something about me being in the world that daughters of mob people, I've, like, dated one of the mob housewives. They just kind of get drawn to me. And, you know, there was communications of me possibly working with the Sinaloa cartel. They try to recruit me. And it was local, when you're out also in the night scene, there's a lot of kind of high profile people in the L.A. world that got to know who I was. And there was this girl who worked, she was a girlfriend for one of the top drug dealers in Baltimore named Karen. And the boyfriend's name, his name is Spanky. I think he looked like that from the little rascals. Right. Okay. I was very big on respect for my competition. Respect my allies. And I think it worked to my advantage. So Spanky knew who I was. I know who he was.

We had no business to work with each other, who was in the game before me, and that's where we left it. And a lot of times people would approach me in the clubs in Baltimore thinking that, hey, we know that you're attached to X. Can you get me pills? Well, you're never going to catch me with drugs on me. Never going to catch me on my person and my car or my home, okay? Everything is put away purposely for a reason. So Karen would always be close to me. I go, go to my competition.

She'll take care of you. keeps it away from me I'm not connected to that group I don't even work with them so it was a great way to kind of push it off to her she ends up in LA and she knew my back past story a story I tried to bury in LA I didn't want anybody to know it well she immediately thinks I'm being sent there by her boyfriend to get her I'm like listen I'm retired okay I don't want nothing I don't even deal with Spanky he knows who I am and that's it she's somebody that just naturally wants to work in the criminal enterprise, and she takes a position under a person that Lewis Ziskin mentor named Cameron Sagan, okay? Cameron Sigal was a sloppy, very intelligent, Beverly Hills gangster. Very intelligent. He owned multiple commercial spots. He owned a management company as well, appointed Karen as her right, his right hand.

And she started spilling the beans about who I was. and convinced Cameron that was coming into L.A. to take over the trade and started making me look like, oh, it was Kaiser Sosei. And, you know, telling her the story. So this guy created a whole friction between me and the local gang members, or I guess you could say, criminal enterprises of L.A. And it just, it ultimately... Hold on, so, say, do you know who Kaiser Sosei is?

Okay, sorry. I know he did. He doesn't know that. Yeah, I know. it's like it's like a very reclusive you know like like um mobster from the was what was the name of the movie the usual suspects but he doesn't really exist he doesn't exist he doesn't really exist there's a whole belief system that he's the guy behind all of these things are happening yeah truth is it's just a story that somebody came up with and spun and this Kaiser well the Kaiser so

and the stories out me they were spinning to make me look bigger than I really was right in terms of well as it doing. Well, you're also saying that they're saying that you're coming in and you're doing this and you're like, I'm not doing anything. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to retire. Right. I'm trying to retire. So it just created this. If there is such thing as a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, um, you wouldn't call him a mafia boss. You call him a criminal boss, a very wealthy one, Cameron Segal was, um, hater. That was him. And he got to the point where I would go to clubs and he would surround me with his bodyguards. And we'd get invited to a lot of the same parties. I'd be in a mansion. I have like two guns in my head. And I'd be like 500 people. I go, what are you doing? I'm not your enemy. You know, and we're going to shoot

me in front of 500 people for a beef we don't even have? What sense does that make? I'm not somebody that gets scared easily, but I also know I have no issue with this guy. It's just weird to me. And they all put their guns down. And I ultimately know how to break somebody down little by little. and I'd already started building my mortgage enterprise. I started becoming, I actually built one of the largest loss of mitigation companies during the mortgage meltdown, all self-financed. And I started just hiring his bodyguards and like broke them down for like five years. And they all tell me stories how he would want to hire, you know, want to, you know, break me, you know, want to get me. And ultimately, I don't know how he shot me.

Oh, one night, he, after his bodyguards weren't. one night i just got sick of dealing with them i just decided to beat him up at a club one night and then after i beat him up he uh um he drove like a week later next to my car with one of his body guards and he shot up my car i was driving a left on alt-a-bista boulevard from sunset boulevard shot up my car boom boom boom boom are you in the car i'm driving okay and got struck and the first call person i call is Cameron's the goal i go i go i'm alive motherfucker and he's hyperventilating you know

and then you know I go to Cedar Sinai cops show up and what's good about having a mom who was a judge attorney while the cops there she's like keep your mouth shut you know it's really good direction because I'm not going to tell on

Cameron's to go you know I healed entirely from the bull home where's your shot right here it's a hole right through here went out this way nine millimeter I still have the bullet okay that's really the only part of that story i don't know where we should take it from there well i'm saying what what happened with the beef did he just go away eventually he ended up

you know i really believe that if you have enough bad karma in life you put a lot of negativity out there it catches up to you about six seven years later you know he was driving his rolls royce about literally three blocks from where he shot me he was shot in his face permanently damaged he's permanently messed up he lost everything and me and lewis ziskin would talk about him he took a picture of him just like maybe three months ago of him homeless that's where a guy that was that powerful that allow his ego to get the best of him you know like i said you can you know you allow that power to take over you're going to create problems you're going to make mistakes he was a prime example of why you have to keep that power in check when you have a position like that and so you

still talk to Zaskin? Little by little. Okay. We're not close friends. We just know who each other are. Right. We should connect Ziskin's, uh, his interview at the back of this.

He actually mentioned him in his interview with you. Oh, does he? Yes. Well, his interview was extremely long. I know it was. Um, he can't seem to not get into something that gets him into trouble. Even when he's not doing anything, he still gets into trouble. I agree.

I've been doing anything wrong. You still get into trouble. agree. I agree. I know the whole story. So what, I mean, what happens? You stay in the, the, you open up the loss, the mitigation. So you're, are you refinancing these properties or you're negotiating or is that where you're negotiating with the bank to give these people a better rate and place their, kind of take their, they're behind six months, put that on the back, renegotiate. Yeah, we also had a matrix that we created where we showed why it makes better sense financially for the bank to have a performing

loan. Yeah, of course. In a non-performing loan. Yeah. And we just figure out what rates will work based on what their new income is. We bring all the financials. I was, you know, most people that had companies like that were getting, you know, outside funding, investors. I was, I bankrolled my own company. And I was the youngest one of the youngest owners of the loss mitigation company. I came from just five years before being a drug lord to now being the owner and 100% owner. and CEO, one of the largest loss of mitigation companies in the country, and ask in a group of us that all own the biggest companies, would meet together to try to keep the industry alive because we saw impending regulations coming in on a state and federal level. They elected me to be the face guy to go meet with members of Congress, educate them on why we should keep the industry alive, why it favors their their, what you call them, their people, their constituents. And I was their face guy for a long time to go out there and try to keep the industry alive.

What is the fee on typically on one of those? Not much. I mean, we actually had to evolve over time. It got overregulated. So it was anywhere from 2,500 to maybe 7,500. $5,000 was usually the norm. And who pays that? The client does.

And they can pay in increments that they have to, you know, monthly payments. But what's good about it is also, you know, they stop the foreclosure process when you're in those negotiations. Right, right. And later on, when we got overregulated, it just got led into, you know, doing the same thing, but then suing the banks for, for, for, for their missteps, you know, it could be TILA violation, rest of violations, things. Yeah, they don't have, they don't, they don't, they don't keep the paperwork. They don't, they can't provide the paperwork. Yeah, a lot of mistakes. Robo signing. We got that mortgage, you know, mortgage, you know, we did all that. Mortgage banking, uh, uh, uh, securization, you know, all that. So we would, you know, break through the broken line and try to a chain of title. It's been so long since I've done it.

So I had to go back, you know, 15 years. But yeah, we ended up just in it, you know, just doing that, protecting their home, what we call foreclosure defense. So while we're in litigation later on, I just started running law firms for many years, Raynor Wilshire and Los Angeles, you know, making a good living doing the same industry, but doing it more in the legal world. I still, to this day, do it by doing the credit card industry. Okay.

And what does that, what does that entail? Because people get over their head? Our clients all have money. They all have jobs. We have a lot of people that have security clearances that can't go bankrupt by law. They lose their security clearance. They have like our typical clients got, you know, fixed income, $100,000 in debt. It's obvious they'll take them 20 years to pay the debt back.

So they're willing to pay our law firms to represent them. And they're, you know, if you pull up all the mistakes they do by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, you see them breaking a variety of 12 federal staff. every time. It's funny. I wrote a book about a guy who had like his series, you know, series seven, series, whatever it is, 64, whatever the oldest series are, and I forget. He claimed bankruptcy twice.

And I used to always think, how the fuck did you get and maintain your licenses having claimed bankruptcy twice? And he owned a wealth management company, too. Like he was taking people's money and investing it, supposedly. But, yeah, same. Yeah, because I had always heard, like, you know, like bankruptcy, you know, poor credit ratings, bankruptcies and like a lot of those financial licensing and having a security clearances, there's a major, fucking major problems.

But so, yeah, I could see these, uh, them not wanting to claim bankruptcy and just kind of, let's figure out a way to get me on a payment program because I can't lose my security license. That's right. So, so what are you, what are you doing now? It's the same thing. You're just doing the credit card. Is that all that you're doing?

Yeah. So we have four law firms I run. I run full operations for them. I own a company called USA Legal Group. And all my entire staff does everything from the marketing to the sales, the customer service, the compliance calls, to the technology, to the paralegals. So, I mean, me growing up in a law firm, you know, I just learned how to streamline, create a lot of new technology and create an efficient business for a law firm on a large scale.

We bring in a lot of business. So when people come to me, they go, hey do you want business from i'm not going to plug anything we got huge contracts we're great so we don't need anything from anybody right did you did you ever write a book or i'm writing one for your past guest right now gunner um he's my ghostwriter yeah when is that maybe i'll hire you for the second one yeah i i it's funny i have people reach out to me all the time and ask me if i'll write stuff it's like bro i just i just it's well he sounds like you're writing a lot of cool stuff. It's such a project. You know what I'm saying? Well, you're vested emotionally and fully

into it. So it has to make sense for you. You have to resonate with you, I assume. I mean, and I think that that's, I mean, absolutely, that's part of it. And then the other problem is, is that books don't, unless it's a bestseller, like the disparity between having a bestseller and having just a book that does okay is so massive. It's like the difference between being a comedian and being a professional comedian. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like there's, it, it It goes from making $50 a show and getting yourself there and, you know, maybe you get some free nachos. To Chappelle.

To, yeah, just to making $200,000 for showing up for an hour. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, there's just, there's no in between. Right. And even though those books when, you know, guys are like, yeah, but you wrote all these books, I understand. But I wrote these books when I was in prison. And I've written a couple since I got out, but I already had the framework kind of done.

And the problem is you can't really just sit down and have a conversation with someone and write a book, typically, I like to order a Freedom of Information Act. I like to get the DFBI 302, the DEA6s. I like to get, what are the names of the officers? I like to interview those people. That's why Merlino likes me, the RMI 302. Yeah. So, you know what I'm saying?

Those are the great thing, because I want to know the behind the scenes. I don't want to just talk to you and have your version of it. That's a memoir that you could write. And it honestly took me five writers that, to find the one that we clicked, I click with. Right. And I think it has to click. Yeah, yeah.

It's not clicking them to do it, you know? So, yeah, I get guys that asked me that all the time. And I'm like, like, I'm like, look, this is what you'd have to pay me this much. I do I have to get this much. And everybody thinks they're, oh, it'll be a best seller. And it's going to, I'm going to sell my life rights. And it's going to be a movie. And I'm not even trying to do it for that reason.

Right. And I think by having that right reason for doing it, it's a compelling story, you know. And I gave you a good portion of it. But there's a lot more involved that we'll unleash in the book. Yeah. Yeah, I was going to say there's some stuff that. And then I always get the guys, too, that like, yeah, some stuff I can't talk about. I'm, okay, look, you can alter certain things.

You just put a, you just put a paragraph in the front to say, listen, some things, sometimes characters, you know, events have been altered. Just, you know, because why? Well, because I prefer not to spend the rest of my life in a fucking state facility or a federal facility. That's right. You know, so I'm going to tell you the story. This one or two parts have been tweaked. You know, guys are like, you know, I had a disagreement with someone and they, you know,

they ended up getting murdered, you know, or basically one of my guys and killed somebody. But I've never been charged or whatever. Okay, well, then you have to say it more vaguely. We had this disagreement. He did this. He threatened me here. I threatened him. I did this.

And, you know, by the grace of God, you know, he ended up two weeks later. Somebody caught him at such and such. He got killed. So the whole thing was diverted. The truth is you set up that. murder you know but you can't say that so you just say it in more of a vague way where people were reading are kind of like I feel like you might have something to do with it but you didn't specifically state it so you're okay like I didn't say anything that everybody already doesn't

kind of think anyway but I wasn't specific enough and I said it turns out this person ended up getting shot during a drive-by and luckily that whole beef just went away you even said anything that that did not incriminate me at all yeah but in people some people's mind they're like he might have had something to do with that. He's not going to say it. Yeah. So there's one or two things that you can allude to and not incriminate yourself. I agree.

I know how to do that. And the other thing that went like when I did my last interview, the person I was 25 years ago is so different than the person I am today. I'm 50 almost, okay? Right. So when people look at me and smile, the Brian then didn't smile. Right. Brian was serious back then. You know, now I'm older, mature, wiser, you know.

So I just want to people to get a sense of that person then is way different than who I am today. Right, right. It just happens to give people an understanding. Hey, you guys. I appreciate you watching. Do me favor, hit the subscribe button. Hit the bell so get notified of videos just like this. Also, please consider joining our Patreon.

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