Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast - Corrupt Cop | Mike Dowd

Episode Date: June 10, 2024

Corrupt Cop | Mike Dowd

Some guys do an insane shit, probably their entire career and never have it come back on them. Some guys do something minor and get caught immediately. Because I was going to say, you went years and years and years doing, not that it's minor. Well, it is minor in comparison. Yeah, a couple thousand here, a thousand here, 500 here. But when you leapt to, hey, give me $8,000 a month, I'm going to watch out for you. I'm going to do this. I'm going to give you the heads up.

If I come across it, I'm going to this, I'm going to that. I'm going to escort your guys. I'm going to do this. Right. So you have a whole litany of things that you're doing for this money. Right. You know, that really just like that that's actually what your partner.

What was your partner's name? Kenny. Kenny when he was like he's, he went like within a month from taking like a hundred bucks to boom. We're making $8,000 a week doing this. Yeah, yeah. Eight thousand a week. Yeah.

I mean he went from being a normal cop. Yeah. Him slipping him like a hundred bucks. And then like a month later, boom, okay, here's what we're doing now. Yeah, we're getting $800. What? Yeah. How did it just go from me getting $100, which I didn't even spend?

Yeah. Yeah. I kept in my locker to eight, but he was a cheap cock sucker. I mean, he was, he didn't, he didn't say nothing. He loved, listen, so, so in, in hindsight, and even at the time, I recognized at the time that he could say no right now. Oh, yeah, yeah. And, and then everything would be okay. Like, I, I never.

It's not like a Serpico situation, you know, it's not like. I never put him in a situation where he had to do this. Right. Because I made a determination that. that I was going to be a police officer until I get arrested or quit or get three-quarters disability, which is what my goal was. And so, but what happened is my goal to get injured because I, yeah, that's your goal. If you get a best case scenario, I twist my knee.

Yeah, no, yeah, bad knee. A slight limp. Yeah, good. Three-quarters. But three-quarters. Disability for the rest of your life is tax-free. So, yeah, I mean, that's the goal. So that was my goal, and I had it.

At any minute, I could have done it because I needed surgery on either knee because both meniscuses were torn from playing ice hockey. So I start out with a pension if I... But the money was so good and I just liked it. Yeah. I just liked it.

I liked going to work and just being important. Oh, yeah, no. No doubt. Absolutely. I mean, I know I know. Like, I never retired, right? I didn't get a chance. But when I talked to guys, had to retire, like, they're like impotent. It sucks.

They're like, I'm not important anymore. Like, you know, they think they are, but they know they're not, you know. Right. And even their wives hate them. And they get half their pension and they leave them. You know, so, yeah, so I get it now. But at the time, I was faced with choices. You know, if Kenny had told me, I'm not doing it, you know, I'll have a beer with

you at Joe's Modega, but I'm not going to do this. I would have said, okay. would have just probably I don't want to say this for sure I would have just went on and did my thing probably got a pension and left but instead I had but I got a partner in crime had a willing partner in crime and I was this is great because now I got a guy who's all in and he was was all in so so what happens in the in the so doesn't really show up in the movie what happens is it doesn't at all show up in the movie is Kenny Yerell I know he's a little soft in the underbelly right

and so I end up going away to a fucking rehab you know because I was in I'm with to the I'm going to the, you can't have a drug problem in the police department because you get terminated so I told them I had an alcohol problem which all right whatever and I go up to the rehab and while I was away to rehab I told Kenny

you know Kenny I found out a little bit more information by going into rehab they came to like the counselors which are cops said listen you're in a lot of fucking hot water from what we know and you just need to stop whatever you're doing do your rehab time and then pray and go to church this is what the guy said and go to church every Sunday right said okay young 26 25 whatever fuck I was yeah okay sure so but I but I knew a problem could arise from a weak link so in the

meantime three of my friends get arrested for shaking down a bodega for doing an armed robbery so they're out I bet I put a bail for one and put one in my house because his family kicks him out he's got nowhere to go and his name is Walter that big Walter in the fucking yeah yeah yeah big Walter yeah big fucking hands I end up putting him in my house in the meantime I tell Kenny you gotta get hurt it's 4th of July weekend it's 4th of July weekend I'm in a rehab we just came home from rehab and Kenny's not getting any patrol assignments because if you go on patrol you're gonna get hurt right because it's arrest every day there's an arrest but it's 4th of

July weekend that everybody's out on details like in Manhattan doing parade duties all those shit so they they short manpower so Kenny hasn't been on patrol in four months not one day what's he doing he's in the station house okay paperwork yeah yeah phone answering clerical shit because they don't want him out there fourth to July weekend they're short they put him in a car's first day he makes an arrest some kind of fence was involved whatever grabs the mooch brings him in and goes into the bathroom and breaks his hand oh on the sink and he already broke it once before so now he's he goes bang he fucking slams it on the porcelain sink breaks his left-handed he breaks his fucking hand he

calls in and tells the fucking boss he says I'm making the arrest I got hurt grabbing this guy over the fence whatever no one gives a fuck they're not thinking yeah they're not thinking he's under investigation he needs to get the fuck off the job he breaks his hand he never go that one day on patrol breaks his wrist never goes back to work he gets a three-quarters to Pension I get it for him because my uncle runs the pension section right I call he gets he gets medically clear medically approved because you can't have a cop but a bad risk that has broken now twice in the last like say six years right

because now he's gonna be shooting a gun what if his risk goes bad in the middle of shooting a gun and kills the kid instead of the old man you're right so they they approve him medically now it's supposed to take a year to two to get released through the pension system I call my uncle. I say unc. Kenny's just approved yesterday. He goes, okay, he's going to take 30 days. He goes from the bottom of the pile to the top of the pile, and he's fucking walking out the door,

and who's walking in? Because you go before the pension board. The pension board, boom, approved. You're done. He's walking out the door. In comes Trimbole, the guy that was following me for fucking years, eating pasta dinner in front of my house, his wife kicking him out the door.

He's walking in to interview him. And Trimbole goes. He goes, you're well. He goes, I wasn't there, but I was told. Yeah. He goes, he says to him, what are you doing here? He says, I'm sorry, Sarge. I got nothing to say to you. He goes, what do you mean? He goes, I'm off the job. I'm retired. Three-quarters disability. He goes, I wanted to ask you about doubt. He goes, I'd love to tell you. He says, but I'm not required to talk to you right now. I'm done. Got to go. And the love to tell you thing was in there, you know? He wanted to tell him. So he leaves. He gets his three-quarter to say. disability now he's sitting at home bored he likes the action right that's right he likes the action he likes the action so i'm running around now i've i've made it through the rehab two years i went to two

years of rehabs work and then kenny is calling me up i need fucking some i need some work i need some bricks i need something i didn't know he was involved in fucking drugs right i had no idea was he before or just this is just something he's decided to do So what happened was this. This story is so fucking... His cousin was a cop in the 7-3 was bringing home shit they were stealing from the drug dealers.

Right. Giving it to Kenny and Kenny was selling it. I have no idea. So one day he says to me, Mike, could you help me get a piece of fucking, you know, Big Eight, you know, whatever. Whatever they want, a half a key. I go, of course I can't.

So he goes, okay, anyway, I go to his house to pick up the money and they're there. The cops are everywhere. Like, clean clothes. So he doesn't know it. I go, Kenny, your fucking house is hot as fucking pistol. He goes, what do you mean?

I go, there's cops all over the place here. He goes, I just left your house. And two cops will follow me. He goes, and do you know, there were cops? I said, Kenny, I left your house. I circled the block. They fucking two cops cars. I was the plane clothes.

Follow me, twisting, going different directions. He says, Mike, they've been following you for five fucking years. He says, he's probably still following you. I go, I don't know, Kenny. This seemed a little different. P.S., he hangs up. I leave his house. I get a car, go to work, pick up the keel or whatever.

He gets on the phone. I don't know this. I'm not there. It comes up later on. And he's on the phone. His phone's tapped. He's calling the 7-3 precinct to have his cousin run a license plate. The license plate comes back to Suffolk County Police Department.

You think he'd fucking tell me. Right. For the next month and a half while they're investigating us, he already knew that Suffolk County PD was following us. He never told me. He didn't change his act either. He ends up getting arrested. I mean, the things that took place were insane.

I get arrested. I get arrested eventually. It was May 6th, 1992. Now, that was the fourth day after the fucking, they burnt L.A. down. Three or four days after Rodney King, I guess, they're not guilty trial. Yeah, yeah, not guilty verdict came out.

Yeah, and they were burning the city down. They burned in New York City down. They burned, breaking everything up. This whole thing, this is sometime in, let's say, March. He was actually under investigation from January, which I didn't know. I come into the picture sometime in March. I go away to the Cayman Islands. I come back from the Cayman Islands, and I want to set up a little bit of an organization

where I don't have to do any more work. Just put my money up, let my Dominican friends sell cocaine, and I'm just a part of a business. We end up pulling our money together. But you're still a police officer. Of course. I'm sorry It was a given I was like

I told you I'm not gonna I'm getting out one of three ways Arrested Injured or retired One of the three So So I set up this organization Where I don't have to do

Just put the money up So and it was a difficult time It was around Easter And the price of cocaine doubled It went from 175 to $35,000 A kilo So I have numbers kept moving

And so At this point I didn't want to lay out all of the money. So I encourage Kenny to come. Kenny goes ahead and he calls up three of the guys from the 73rd precinct and tells him to meet him to put the money. So now that is

three cops from the 73rd precinct, his cousin and two of his... Are putting up money to invest in cocaine. In cocaine business. Of course. Yeah. Of course. And then you have Kenny. So you have three cops in the 73, Kenny, myself and my partner. I couldn't leave my partner out. I didn't need him. But, you know, he's my partner. If I'm going to be

making moves, he's got to get a piece of something, right? So So now there's five of us involved in this fucking kilo distribution ring, right? And some other cop gets arrested for steroids. Anyway, so we had this whole thing set up. It's working like a clock. First week we put 54,000 back in our pockets, which each. No.

So 35 is the investment. Okay. We got back 54,000. Okay. So the next week, it would be 35 and get something similar. But I was a little annoyed. I want it to be more. I wanted to double the fucking money.

I want $70,000. So the next week it's going to be $70,000, not $54. That's bullshit. So, I mean, you're fucking selling 20 kilos a fucking day. I got to, you know, I want two. So you're flipping yours. I want mine flipped along the truth. This is the way it is, right?

Why should I get double my money? I give you $35. I want $70. Can we do this? The answer was yes. So don't give me $54. So next week, anyway, next week doesn't come, by the way. So in the interim, Kenny's got to pick up a piece for himself to sell.

So now he's got this machine going that I set up, and he's got to pick up a piece. So I got to pick up, I don't know, half a kilo or something from somebody in Brooklyn and in the patrol car. I meet him at work. The guy jumps in the back of patrol car, and now they got me on film. And I'm knowing it. I'm knowing something's wrong. And like, I'm looking up.

there's an apartment building upstairs and there's a building over here a rectory, a church rectory and I see like it looks like there's cameras in these windows? Is this possible? You know, like when you know, but you say no, it's not really happening.

No, you still feel untouchable. Yeah, there's no way. It's not the camera on me, that camera's on somebody else right now. Two cameras, one there, one there. And it's funny because in the model commission hearings that was where I testified they show it right they show those angles from cameras of me getting in and out of patrol car and the and the guy jumping in the back of the patrol

cars I drive off and the funny thing was he normally just hand me the shit I go keep it low like here I am saying keep it whoa because I know yeah like you know when you know and there's nothing you can do like you hand on the fucking paperwork in for your fucking fraud and this could be the last one. Yeah. And you're knowing it. Like, I'm knowing something wrong.

And so I keep that thing low. So he hands it, like the seats break in the middle. He hands it through me in the seat. And I was so careful to keep it low that the cameras couldn't see it. And of course, we're driving, so the cameras are not, they're stationary. Right. I mean, think about what I'm telling you. I know I'm being filmed in uniform, receiving kilos from a guy that's a Colombian

And I just pick it And I It's good stuff It sucked But it was better than nothing And that's And the price was a premium I get the shit

I drive around the block I meet Kenny I give it to Kenny And there's a car Park behind Kenny And I see the car And I see the car Kenny doesn't see it

I see it He goes home With the fucking package I do patrol and I don't get called like the whole time there's there's no radio runs for me for two days now there's been no radio runs for me so I've been like I'm on patrol and there's no calls for my sector for two days does that ever happen before no never not even a day no no and I'm just by the way I'm in a less busy place now right I've gone to rehab and

Now, instead of going back to the 7-5, I'm now in the 9-4 precinct, which is heaven. Anyway, heaven for patrol work. Right. Oh, my God, the cat and the fucking tree type thing, you know? Well, the drunk Polish guy, but in the wrong house, they go to the wrong house. It's the same house, but it's on the wrong block. You know, they're a block off, and that's my night, you know. So, and I'm getting, and no calls.

And then all of a sudden we get a call. So, what are mine? 9-4-Henry, 9-9-Henry. 10-2, I was like, hmm, 10-2, why would they call us back to the precinct? And I look at my partner. I mean, we've done nothing wrong here today. We've done nothing wrong here today. You know, I maybe dropped the cake of a kilo.

No one's business, you know? You didn't tell anybody. I didn't tell anybody, we're good. So I drive back to the precinct, but I go the wrong way on a one-way street to the precinct, which is the first time I ever did this. But it's just by accident? No, something's not right. I'm driving to my maker right now, and I'm like,

something's not right. And I see this car up to my, as I'm pulling up to the precinct. Now, the car's facing the train. It's one way. The car's facing this way, and I'm pulling up this way. And I look, and there's two guys sitting in the front seat of the car. I'm playing clothes. I'm like, eh, it's a little odd, huh?

So I pull in, and I just had gotten two big gulps filled with vodka and seven up. absolute big ones like this took a big head off of one I did a couple of bumps I was doing good right get out of the car I walk into the precinct and I hear footsteps behind me and I'm like I'm like don't turn around this can't be good this just can't be good news

so it's like I know I'm walking in to the end but you but you know there's nothing you can do it's nothing you can do if it's over it's over it's happening there's no there's no move you can make during this process that changes anything. Except get back in the patrol car and drive to Pennsylvania, maybe. Well, Canada.

One of the two. So, I'm like, okay, so I walk up to the desk, and I go, what's up? So I just said 10-2. And the guy, the sergeant at the desk is like, mortified. He goes, go to the captain. He wants to speak to you. It's set up. This is a setup.

He knows he's setting me up. He just doesn't know what to do. No, there's nothing. There's nothing here. He's following orders. So he points, we turn around to go to the captain's office and up comes these two detectors from internal affairs with their trench coats on and their fucking badges uh this is the lieutenant so and so on blah blah we're taking you for a department ordered drug test i'm like that's all this is perfect my career ends here right it's over i'm going to go downstairs and change put my shit on my my civilian clothes

go take the piss test fail and go home didn't work out it didn't work out that way but so I'm getting dressed downstairs now that they've ordered this downstairs the scene is insane

I'm downstairs trying to get dressed and the cop playing clothes detective is almost humping me he's so close I can't move I'm trying to I go can I Am I under arrest?

I know something's wrong here. Am I under arrest? He goes, no, why would you say that? I said, because you're so close to me, I couldn't bend my knee to take my pants off to put my civilian clothes on. He goes, no.

So I go, well, would you back up? Now I'm getting pissed. Would you back up? So he goes like this. So he went from here to here. He gave me an inch more room. Holy fuck, this is serious. because he's on my shit.

So now in my pants is the cocaine. Some cocaine. Yeah, yeah. Five grams, whatever. Not the kilo. No, no, that's going to give him to Kenny. He's got that on Long Island.

I'm trying to get dressed. I can't get dressed. Now I go to him. Now, you know something's wrong. When I know, I go to him, you think I should take my off-duty revolver? Or leave it? He goes, you can leave it there.

You can come back and get it later. He says to me, I'm going back You might be all right I'll be back Yeah I'll be back Get outside Get in the patrol

Back in the plane closed car And I'm saying I gotta get rid of this Cocaine on me So I'm like how am I gonna do this So I go I look at

I look at there's no handles There's no handles And no windows On the fucking door So I can't even I can't open a window And I can't open the door So I go

and I turn around and I look at him I go, I don't know what this is about but one thing I want you guys to know is my partner has nothing to do with it whatever this is my partner has nothing to do with it I want to exculpate this kid because I feel bad

I was he followed me you know and I love the guy and he's my god's the godfather of my kid and if I go down at least someone can survive this right not but anyway don't you worry about him he's got his own things now he's already been arrested from murder and beat the

charge okay so that's why we're together because no one will work with him and no one will work with me so this is so much I skipped to get to this point yeah so now what we're we're not back of so how am I gonna get rid of this fucking cocaine because God forbid I do get pissed I might get pinched here right so but God forbid you're gonna fail the piss test anyway for cocaine yes it's gonna fucking light up the fucking it's gonna line it up I just took a bump a couple minutes ago so it's good and yesterday it was good So I go, I'm going to smoke a cigarette. They go, okay, yeah, no problem.

I smoked that cigarette, and then I smoked another one right behind it. There was a layer of fog inside the fucking car. You guys, can you open a window? I want them to open the fucking window. I mean, it's just like a 15-minute drive from there to Jamaica where we were going to go take the piss test. They didn't open the fucking window once. So I said, okay, no problem.

When I get out in Jamaica, Jackson Heights is where the left rack city, I was going over the left rack city where the police has their medical office I mean you got to understand police medical office okay like they have their own medical division okay it's like fucking because there's 35,000 cops

they have a medical division they have two floors of an awful four floors of an office building with like 700 offices in it it's just it's massive it's a massive bureaucracy and so I get out of the car

and right there like and I turn around and there's a phalanx a phalanx of brass if you know what brass means the guys with the brass on their fucking hats lieutenants the cur yeah yeah all the all the bosses phalanx of them all the way from the street and it's about 40 50 feet from the street

to the entranceway door then there's the entranceway phalanx there's the hallway phalanxed and the fucking button opens up on the elevator and there's a look up there's a guy with more scramble legs on his fucking hat than I've ever seen in my career because he was a chief the chief was standing in front of me

and a deputy inspector both of them's like this and they just I just got on the elevator and I turned around and I was standing between them I don't know who they are and then the guys that brought me in

went up with the sort of us in the elevator open up the elevator on the 16th floor I think it was and sure enough another half a dozen scrambled eggs on each side flanking me into

did you realize at this point this is for you or you're still thinking this is just coincidences is just so overlaught is it overwhelmingly obvious this is here for me this is they're doing this i don't want to i don't i don't i don't want to i don't i don't i don't it hasn't hit me yet okay yeah you just think this is weird this is weird yeah because i don't know this i don't know that this six cops getting arrested right and that there's been an ongoing investigate well you knew there was an they were kind of but you didn't realize They've invested me for five years. You didn't realize it was this massive.

How long were they investigating in you, right? Forever. Right. Right. So for five years, I've been dealing with this shit. It's no big deal. Right. This is fake.

This is fake. There's 147 cops from internal affairs are on my case. And I think I'm seeing shadows. I think it's paranoia. But it's not. It's real. But I'm thinking I'm crazy. So now they're all in uniform,

fell inx in this place. They open up the door and there's this lieutenant who's been after me for fucking. four years because he tried to fucking piss test me out four years ago or five years ago whatever the fuck it was and he stared at there with this grit on his face and he goes okay dad i got you here with an h i forget his fucking name on a fucking smack him anyway because he's a prick he yelled at me one time get in here now i says let me get in here now i'm sick he was on sick leave he goes I'm Lieutenant so-and-so in charge of health services

And I And he goes like this And I'm ordering this officer Like he pulls the phone away And I'm ordering this officer to get in here Today by noon And he's saying he's sick I know you're sick officer

I'm telling you to get Like you can tell it I'm telling you to get in here now He's like could you imagine Can you imagine this guy's to Dude All right I'm on my fucking way

I get there and they bring me into psych services And I ended up going away to the farm for two years but anyway so he's there now and he's got me he's got to get me to piss because they tried to do it to me before but i fucking beat them see so i beat them and i can't beat this so i'm about the piss i'm i think i'm gonna piss and go home so i take the piss i'm drunk now because they're fucking drunk now the drink is hitting me right and i'm realizing ah it's just gonna be over it's good like i can go home i'm gonna go home and just Cavilch with the family and say,

what am I going to do now with the rest of my life? So here I am. The guy's finally got me to take the piss test. I piss in his cup. I'm like, I'm happy it's over. We'll see you tomorrow. You know, have a nice night. And I turn around and then goes,

and in walks these two other guys into this small cubicle area. And he goes, Suffolk County detectives. And I go, oh, you do a guy. What's up? You're under arrest for conspiracy to distribute the narcotics. I go, oh, okay. I mean, I just say,

the nerve of you I mean right like so one of the things is you know the newspaper account is and he just you know

turn around matter factly I'm gonna do kick and scream and say go fuck yourselves I mean you know it's like boy he ain't be on my back they put the cuffs on me

so now they go to search my pockets right and I got that cocaine in my pockets that I couldn't get rid of yet fucking the 14 times I tried to move it out

and the guy goes oh look at this we got here and I go yeah I got a little problem what are you I got a little bit of a problem. What else?

You know, so what? So, uh, so, so. That's what to that. So back of the patrol car, now they're taking me out to Suffolk County because that's where they're booking me. See, the whole thing here is the city's pissed off. Right. Because they didn't get their guy.

The out of jurisdiction got the guy. Right. You're not, because you're not, you know, you're not, you're at the, you're in the city. You're not at Suffolk County. I'm not a Suffolk County police officer or anything. And they did have me on their investigation for five years. And they're not. They couldn't put a pinch on me, but Suffolk County has an investigation for three months,

and they got me, you know, because they got me because of Kenny. Well, because of the wires. Kenny didn't give me up. Yeah, it was wires that got me. And then Kenny on bail puts a wire on, and then he gets me. People don't know, people don't know how the story actually breaks out, but that's how it breaks out. So anyway, so telling the story is exhausting, you know. And how much will we skip when we tell these stories, right?

Like 80% or more of it, right? In fact, I'm working on getting a screenplay done now because they can't get it down. They've been working on it for five years of screenplay to do a movie, a remake movie of the 7-5 documentary, and they just can't get it. So I've been through the mill with all kinds of involvement with different people in Hollywood. Frank Scott, who did Get Shorty. I never saw It. You never saw Get Shorty? No, I never saw it.

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When you got grabbed, did you ever get out on bond? No. From Suffolk County, I did. Right. But then when I was out and they set me up to the feds, no bond. I mean, I could have tried to get bond, but my lawyer's like, dude, you're going to do some time, so you might as well start now. That's exactly what he said. Yeah, that's true.

All right. Unless you're mounting, there's no reason to be out unless you're mounting a defense, like you're trying to go to trial. Well, you can't go to trial. So to be fair, I was going to go to trial because the first plea over was. 24 to 30 years. And you know what that's like, you know? I'm like, who the fuck did I kill? Right.

You know, so, so knowing that I was going to do sometime, I, you know, I was shocked to see their first plea, they don't call them offers. They call them agreements. Like the first plea agreement was for 30 years. And I said, not fucking doing, I'm going to trial. Might as well go to try and might as well try. I might as well try. So that's what was my approach for the first six months or so.

And then they knocked it down. down to like 24 and then they knocked it down to 17 and I still said you know what I ain't doing 17 years without going to trial for it fuck it so I pushed it and pushed it probably lasted a little over a year and then the Malin Commission people came to me and said we'll write a letter to your judge for you if you help us and so I turned them down twice and the third time they came to me was shortly after they said I did nine murders in the ghetto and I'm like, okay, well, this is

the newspaper, you know, and just bullshit? I mean, I know it's bullshit, but I'm saying, where did they come up with that? Somebody said something. They're looking for, there's nine murders that they can't figure out around this period of time when I had a brand new 9mm gun

and they were all 9mm murders. I mean, at the ghetto, everybody gets killed with a 9mm. Right. Anyway, so they were investigating me and my partner for 9 murders, specifically me, I guess, because Kenny's like a good guy. And so, It was all the news.

I'm like, listen, I didn't do any fucking murders. Oh, by the way, my own commission called again today and ask it if you could please, you know, cooperate with them. And what were they investigating? What was that commission investigating? Their task was to investigate corruption in the city. And basically, systematic like mine was, whatever. And so I drew them a roadmap.

I showed them how to do it. They arrested the whole 30th precenty. They called it the dirty 30. The rest of the whole night shift, which is 30 guys on the 30th precinct. They were all in the cahoots. I don't know anybody. I didn't know anybody. But I showed them how to catch me.

Right. Something like you might have done to show. The mortgage company. The ethics and fraud thing. Right. Same thing. So I showed them how to catch me. I said, you don't put a sign.

Look over here for cash. You know, dude, you got to make it. The cop's going to be a little more like surprised or industrious. Don't make it. Don't put a sign. Check. on their fucking ice cubes for cash they're gonna check you don't need to tell them you know so don't make it so obvious so anyway so i gave him a few points like that and and i told them how and how i would

how i would do how i would see a scene and how i would assess it and how i would know i wasn't being set up so they did what i told them and they got the whole 30th precinct they got a couple of the bunch of guys so now when i went to get sentenced they wrote a letter to the judge saying that i was honest and helpful that's all they would say right was this sentence in the state or the feds i never got sentenced in the state because they subsume consumed the uh superseding indictment they made it all one right make it a rico case so i was yeah okay so i got the riko yeah um so uh yeah so i got a rico indictment uh and i pled guilty to it so i faced zero a life right at my sentencing and uh did the u it's attorney um recommend that you get the low end of the

guidelines or anything. No, no, no, no, no. He was against everything. He was sort of like, what you had to deal with when you were through? Like, there was no friend in that courtroom, except for the letter. And the judge witnessed my testimony. And even partly, partly to my dismay is some of my sentence, like some of the testimony wasn't very good, you know?

Like I stole money from some girl, like 300 under the Bible. The money, the mother hid the money under the Bible. I asked to say, is there any hidden money in the house that they might have robbed? And she goes, well, she's on the phone, mom. She goes, check onto the Bible. So I found it. You take so many, he goes, looks like the burglars got it. Yeah, they got it.

So, you know, that's a real shitty thing to do, you know. But part of my justification, well, we all do shitty thing, part of the justification was. Listen, you don't have to explain to me. I know that. But, you know, people that, they hear that, like, how the fuck can you do that? Well, you know, I got a partner next to me that's threatening me right now.

He's like, you fucking set me up. The last job, there was $11,000. cash you fucking missed it you had it in your hand i said take it easy dude i'm not looking for someone's fucking savings i'm looking for bags of cash like this right right from drug dealers yeah i'm not of 11 000 that someone saved that's but's a lot of fucking that's a lot of fucking money i said no one isn't not what i'm looking for i'm looking for 30 40 50 grand in 20s not someone's little life savings stack right so anyway so long story short i ended up the next chance i could to get some money i did you know it was a couple three

$400, whatever we took from under the girl's Bible, which was horrible. And what I'm saying is, when I got sentenced, the judge said, you know, Mr. Dow, you know, all the things, you were very helpful, but, you know, taking that $300 from the fucking Bible with the girl, you know, was not a very, I'm going to say, you know. She was letting it know that she was aware of that, you know. Yeah, yeah. That being said, they said you were very helpful. I was going to give you a sentence to the top end of your guidelines, which were in 15

and a half years. She said, instead, I'm not going to give you, I'm going to give you right in the middle, which is 168 months. So, so essentially, she says the Malin Commission helped me. I'll take her at a word. She could have given me more because they wanted to give me more. Right. I'm sure they, they probably would have given me more if I didn't testify with the Malin Commission.